Yet Another Woman Alleges Improper Cain Behavior

“A more thorough answer”
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And today we have another woman telling a story of inappropriate behavior by Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain.

A former USAID worker claims Herman Cain asked her to set up dinner with a woman who attended a speech he gave in 2002, the Washington Examiner is reporting tonight.

The worker — 40-year-old Donna Donella, of Arlington, Va. — told the paper that the moment came after Cain gave a paid speech in Egypt that year. A woman in the crowd posed a query to Cain during the speech, the Examiner said.

Donella told them: “And after the seminar was over, Cain came over to me and a colleague and said, ‘Could you put me in touch with that lovely young lady who asked the question, so I can give her a more thorough answer over dinner?’”

She was “suspicious of Cain’s motives and delined to set up the date,” the Examiner reporter wrote.

That prompted Cain to reply, “Then you and I can have dinner.” Instead, some of Donella’s co-workers suggested a group outing.

Naturally, the press and the right wing blogs immediately started digging into the past of Sharon Bialek, who went public yesterday with her accusations of sexual assault by Cain: Herman Cain accuser has history of financial troubles, legal squabbles.

Imagine my surprise to find the right wing blogs in full-throated smear mode today against Bialek — but with an undercurrent of desperation that’s quite palpable.

White supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain, for example, took a break from calling Cain’s accusers “rent seekers” to offer some advice to the candidate: “Pray real hard.”

If I were in a position to advise Cain at this moment, the only thing I could advise him is to pray.

Pray real hard.

It is not generally my practice to preach here. Yet there are times — and this is one of them — when I’m reminded of the awesome sovereignty of God. It’s a Calvinist kind of thing, and it takes an enormous amount of faith in the Almighty to grasp it. In our secularized culture, people tend to look at you like you’re crazy when you start talking about God’s sovereignty, and His power to work His will.

Nevertheless I do not hesitate to say that if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be destroyed, no mortal power can save Cain. Yet if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be preserved and uplifted, no mortal power can destroy Cain. Therefore, if Cain is true to his professed faith, then in this dark hour, he must be praying mighty hard, and thinking of a stanza in an old gospel hymn, “Here I raise my Ebenezer; hither by Thy help I’ve come; and I hope, by Thy good pleasure, safely to arrive at home.”

These people went way beyond parody long ago.

And after swearing yesterday in an official statement that he was going to ignore all this and “refuse to play by the media’s rules,” today Cain announced he’s going to hold a press conference at 5 pm ET.

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658 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:35:43am

Is Cain able?

2 garhighway  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:36:01am

So what's the over-and-under on the ultimate total number of Cain's harassees?

I say 7. And at that number, I take the over.

3 darthstar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:37:35am

The good news for Cain is this isn't "yet another woman from 1997"...the bad news is that, after having settlements with the NRA in 1997, he did it again in 2002.

4 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:38:51am

Raising his Ebenezer is what got him into trouble in the first place.

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:40:05am

Yesterday Herman Cain swore he wasn't going to "play by the media's rules." Today he schedules a press conference.

6 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:40:47am

re: #2 garhighway

So what's the over-and-under on the ultimate total number of Cain's harassees?

I say 7. And at that number, I take the over.

Number that we find out about? You may be right. Total actual number? We will never know, but I'd say you're off by a factor of ten, minimum.

7 darthstar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:42:09am

re: #5 Charles

Yesterday Herman Cain swore he wasn't going to "play by the media's rules." Today he schedules a press conference.

Amateur hour. He probably thinks he can change the narrative.

8 garhighway  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:42:44am

re: #6 wrenchwench

Number that we find out about? You may be right. Total actual number? We will never know, but I'd say you're off by a factor of ten, minimum.

No doubt about that. I'm not a big fan of the saying "where's there's smoke, there's fire" (since it destroys some important concepts like the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof), but if ever there was a guy it applied to, Herm's the guy.

9 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:47:26am

re: #7 darthstar

Amateur hour. He probably thinks he can change the narrative.

He's going to try for a knockout punch on the accusers. Chances are better than good that he'll say something monumentally stupid and make the situation worse.

10 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:47:46am

Meanwhile, in another brewing scandal - Penn State cancelled its weekly Paterno presser.

11 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:50:41am

re: #9 makeitstop

He's running out of things to say. If there was just one, he could write that one off as an outlier and not indicative of anything. Even at 2 or 3, he could claim that they were lying and unsubstantiated rumors.

However, the evidence is growing that these were substantiated events and not out of the ordinary. There was at least four - and looking like 5 or more at this point.

Now that we're closing in on Tiger Woods territory, he's got no excuses and he can't smear all of these women (though his supporters will try hard to do what the campaign itself can't or wont do directly).

So much for the family values Cain was claiming to have.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:51:50am

Dude. Writing on the wall.

Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.

Time to go.

13 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:55:06am
It’s a Calvinist kind of thing

This explains a lot about RSM. The Calvinists have historically been small minded and cruel.

14 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:55:37am

re: #11 lawhawk

It's also been his attitude towards it, and his changing of his story. Saying he didn't recall any payouts, then saying that the payouts were small, saying he didn't recall the details, then giving that one bizarre detail about comparing her height to his wife. It's that his side of the story he's not refusing to tell, he's just telling it in passive-aggressive asides.

15 erik_t  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:56:10am

I can sort of understand Deist/God-the-clockmaker understandings of the world. I truly don't understand those who think that there is a deity with an active and controlling interest in the day-to-day happenings on this planet.

(and if there is one, that it's anything other than a sarcastic dick)

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:57:57am

This scandal is going to play out most unexpectedly. It will probably not hurt Cain's standing in the GOP, it might even help him among those who buy the "liberal media witch-hunt" meme.

But it will contribute to making him even more unelectable in a general election.

17 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:01:49am

The but Clinton! meme is growing like a Viagra induced erection.

18 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:02:05am

"A thorough answer over dinner" , sure, the nasty old bastard.

19 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:05:48am

"To Cain" could become a verb, but there's nothing particularly distinctive in this story, yet.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:08:00am

re: #18 prairiefire

"A thorough answer over dinner" , sure, the nasty old bastard.

Better yet, it's in Egypt. Does he understand how different their society is than ours? What the aftereffects of a liaison with him would be on a young woman?

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:08:15am

These people would be using this as proof of "why" Democrats are perverts and probably be throwing in racist crap if Cain were a Democrat.

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:09:00am

Just caught this as I was re-reading Cain's statement from last night:

Since the media went bananas over this so-called story, my schedule has not changed in the slightest. I have continued to make all planned public appearances. I have continued to answer questions about my 9-9-9 tax reform plan. I have continued to do everything else that our strategy proscribes.

"Proscribe" means to prohibit, ban, or denounce. I can almost believe this is what he's really doing -- everything his strategy says he shouldn't.

23 desso studios  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:09:24am

Unlike her, I hope he goes down FAST.

24 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:10:54am

re: #20 EmmmieG

Better yet, it's in Egypt. Does he understand how different their society is than ours? What the aftereffects of a liaison with him would be on a young woman?

Kleenex.

25 desso studios  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:11:28am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

These people would be using this as proof of "why" Democrats are perverts and probably be throwing in racist crap if Cain were a Democrat.

mark my words that card is near the top of the deck.

26 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:14:55am

Iowa conservatives have some concerns:

Bob Vander Plaats, president of the Family Leader, a conservative organization that promotes Christian values, said Cain needs to address these allegations head-on, or a “cloud of doubt will envelop his candidacy.”

“The Iowa and American voter are fair when humility, sincerity and authenticity are communicated. This is a tipping point for the viability of his campaign,” Vander Plaats said.

Longtime Republican strategist Doug Gross of Des Moines summed up his reaction to Bialek’s description of the events with one word: “Yuck.”

Steve Scheffler, head of the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition, advised Cain to be forthcoming.

Denying some of the charges and then sometimes later saying he remembers some of the facts is not helpful,” Scheffler said.
[Link: caucuses.desmoinesregister.com...]

27 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:17:36am

re: #26 jaunte

Doug Gross says "yuck"? That's too good.

28 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:18:07am

Yesterday, someone (SFZ?) posted a definition of "rent seekers." It does not mean what RSM thinks it means.

29 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:18:40am

re: #26 jaunte

Iowa conservatives have some concerns:

It's not that they're really concerned about Cain's actions -- but when it becomes public, then they have a political problem and have to make the appropriate outraged noises.

30 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:20:24am

re: #28 Alouette

He's just trying to call them gold-diggers without using that phrase because it's too obvious, so he's casting about for something else and so using a totally inappropriate phrase.

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:21:10am

Reading the news: Bialek is a "gold digger" who wants to "live off the system." (Not sure what this means--we all live off the system, don't we? Unless you live like the Unabomber, you are in some way benefiting from the labor of others.) She wants to "never work again". This brings up the question--

So why was she looking for a job?

32 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:23:48am

Maybe the tide is turning.

"Herman Cain won’t be the nominee because he can’t win women either. Regardless of what you think of the Politico story, Cain’s handling of the story has been an epic disaster. He’s down at least 10 points with women in Iowa. He’s falling even further and doesn’t even realize it. He’s largely been emboldened by a conservative media that is so used to standing by its men that too few are telling Herman that he is now at the point where he must actually sit and answer questions whether he wants to or not and whether he feels maligned or not and whether I think he should have to or not. If he loses women by as big as he is starting to lose the women, he cannot win".

-Erick Erickson

33 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:23:52am

Meanwhile, Uncle Rupert does the classy thing and publishes information about one accuser that everyone else has restrained themselves from doing.

Better for the wingnut muck-rakers to rake their muck. Bastards.

34 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:25:06am

re: #33 makeitstop

Murdoch feeds on chaos.

35 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:26:28am

re: #33 makeitstop

As Charles was saying:

In an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released yesterday, more than half of likely Republican primary voters — including 6 in 10 tea party supporters — said the allegations against Cain did not concern them. Another 15 percent said they were “just a little” concerned.

36 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:27:03am

re: #34 OhNoZombies!

Murdoch feeds on chaos.

Americans love chaos, that's why....keeps them pinned to the TV

37 Ming  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:31:16am

The situation with Herman Cain seems a classic example of sexual harassment as a pattern: multiple accusers. I would like to mention that I've always been skeptical of Anita Hill's accusation against Clarence Thomas; one reason is that during Thomas' confirmation hearings, 9 women testified in his behalf. They were 9 liberal women, who all said that they disagreed with his political views (as I do), but who said they worked for him and thought he was a real nice person. Anyway, what's striking to me about Herman Cain, 20 years later, is how very different this story is from the Clarence Thomas hearings. In Cain's case, there are multiple accusers, who apparently don't even know one another, and have nothing in common except for being women.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a great idea for criminal trials. There's only so much "presumption of innocence" that Herman Cain is entitled to. He needs to "come clean" (pardon me) in public (oops I did it again) real soon.

38 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:32:50am

Cain Campaign Starts The Trashing

In short, Cain plans to drag Bialek through the mud.

That started last night.

“After attacking Herman Cain through anonymous accusers for a week, his opponents have now convinced a woman with a long history of severe financial difficulties, including personal bankruptcy, to falsely accuse the Republican frontrunner of events allegedly occurring well over a decade ago for which there is no record, nor even a complaint filed,” Cain spokesperson JD Gordon said in a release.

There’s expected to me more talk like this at Cain’s press conference responding to Bialek scheduled for 5 PM Eastern.

Reports out today show that Bialek has had a troubled financial past, declaring personal bankruptcy twice, according to the Chicago Tribune.


Records show she twice has filed for personal bankruptcy, first in 1991 and then again in 2001. In the latter case, she claimed $5,700 in assets and more than $36,000 in liabilities. Among the creditors seeking payment was a management firm demanding back rent of $4,500, four credit card companies and a lawyer asking for his legal fees.

The IRS filed a tax lien against her in 2009 for nearly $5,200. In August, the Illinois Department of Revenue claimed Bialek owed the state more than $4,300, including penalties and interest, relating to income taxes from 2004, according to county records.

Financial problems, of course, have little to do with whether or not one is sexually harassed, but they are the exact kind of thing people looking to tear Bialek down will use. To wit: “Jobless & shameless gal going for gold,” reads the headline on Andrea Peyser’s New York Post column Monday.

39 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:33:03am

when Fox decides that Cain is no longer worth it, they will cut bait and he will be gone like a cool breeze...then on to the next Big Story....but so far there are allegations, no proof, sex, race and a guy running for POTUS...what more could you want?....cha ching!

40 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:33:25am

re: #36 albusteve

Yep, and that's...uh we...smart...
I got nuthin.

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:34:18am

re: #22 Charles

Just caught this as I was re-reading Cain's statement from last night:


"Proscribe" means to prohibit, ban, or denounce. I can almost believe this is what he's really doing -- everything his strategy says he shouldn't.

Most likely meant "prescribes". He should refudiate that statement.

42 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:35:50am

re: #37 Ming

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a great idea for criminal trials. There's only so much "presumption of innocence" that Herman Cain is entitled to. He needs to "come clean" (pardon me) in public (oops I did it again) real soon.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is necessary for the criminal justice system.

"Beyond reproach" legally is necessary if one wants to be elected President.

43 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:37:13am
44 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:38:16am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: I'm Only Running Because Obama Screwed Up The Economy

So why did he run in 2008?

to position himself for 2012...

45 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:38:34am

re: #32 OhNoZombies!

Maybe the tide is turning.

-Erick Erickson

Erick Erickson is part of the Human Events Group, and so is Newt Gingrich. Guess who is rising in the polls as Cain is sinking?

Although I see Erickson says Gingrich can't win women's votes either. And then he says Mitt can't beat Obama and conservatism is going to die. I think he has a sad.

46 stockman  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:39:37am

Does anyone here think this "accusation" is pretty small beer?

As for the Bialek follies, there seems to be a certain amount of cognitive dissonance involved.
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
As TV trucks pulled up in front of her Mundelein home and reporters rang the doorbell, Harwood said his fiancee does not plan any legal action against Cain and does not intend to stand in the political spotlight for very long.

"We're in it together," he said. "My only concern is that it not become some type of media circus."

47 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:39:56am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: I'm Only Running Because Obama Screwed Up The Economy

So why did he run in 2008?

He came from the future to save humanity.

48 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:40:19am

re: #45 wrenchwench

Anyone who is

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:40:49am

re: #46 stockman

It is, on its own. There's now a context for it, though.

50 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:41:37am

re: #48 OhNoZombies!

Anyone who was a pre- TP conservative should be sad.

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:41:49am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: I'm Only Running Because Obama Screwed Up The Economy

So why did he run in 2008?

Here's how Mitt Romney will save the economy:

Fire all government employees.
Hire Chinese workers to take their place.
Pocket the difference.

52 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:42:09am

re: #2 garhighway

So what's the over-and-under on the ultimate total number of Cain's harassees?

I say 7. And at that number, I take the over.

You mean the number that will come forward. No way, absolutely no way, that is the number he has gone after.

53 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:43:16am

re: #33 makeitstop

Meanwhile, Uncle Rupert does the classy thing and publishes information about one accuser that everyone else has restrained themselves from doing.

Better for the wingnut muck-rakers to rake their muck. Bastards.

Crap..That one is seeking rent for herself and her horse.

55 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:43:35am

re: #47 Sergey Romanov

He came from the future to save humanity.

more believable than claiming god told him to run

56 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:43:41am

OT:

Found an interview with my late friend Jessie.

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:44:54am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Crap..That one is seeking rent for herself and her horse.

Somebody has to provide the muck.

58 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:45:53am

re: #56 Obdicut

OT:

Found an interview with my late friend Jessie.

[Video]

Stinks. Did he ever run into "Playing for Change"?

59 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:46:51am

re: #46 stockman

Does anyone here think this "accusation" is pretty small beer?

Your point, in light of the context and multiple women, is very small beer. Cognitive dissonance? Clearly.

60 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:47:32am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

Dunno. He did make enough from busking to actually afford a room in an apartment and live off of. But he only played his covers in public, not his wickedly funny self-creations. But the interview really shows his sweet side; he just liked making people smile.

61 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:47:39am

Ms. Bialek is good at staying on-message:

Herman Cain accuser Sharon Bialek, appearing on three morning shows Tuesday, pushed back against the candidate’s denial that he had groped and sexually harassed her in 1997, saying Cain could “end this” by admitting to the alleged transgressions.

“He can step forward and just end this — just end it. I don’t want to be here. I don’t think anyone wants — just end it,” Bialek said on “Good Morning America.” “Let’s move forward — but unfortunately I don’t think that’s what’s going to happen.”

Bialek also emphasized that her decision to come forward was not politically motivated. On CBS’s “Early Show,” she said that she would at least “think about” voting for Cain if he admitted what had happened, while on “GMA” she said Cain would be fit to be president once “he tells the truth.”

“I don’t despise the man; I actually did it because I wanted to give him the platform to come clean, to tell the truth,” Bialek said on the “Early Show.”

I'm thinking she'll hold up well, despite wingnut attempts to trash her.

62 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:47:51am

re: #11 lawhawk

However, the evidence is growing that these were substantiated events and not out of the ordinary. There was at least four - and looking like 5 or more at this point.

Now that we're closing in on Tiger Woods territory, he's got no excuses and he can't smear all of these women (though his supporters will try hard to do what the campaign itself can't or wont do directly).

Substantiated? Well you and I have different definitions of "these were substantiated events". The only event I know has been substantiated is that Bialek looked for and found Cain at a recent tea party event, and gave him an embrace (hug).

Tiger Woods territory? Is anyone accusing Herman Cain of having an affair? Anyone? At least in Tigers case there were "substantiated events". Don't you think "Tiger Woods territory" is a real exaggeration?

63 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:48:00am

re: #57 wrenchwench

Somebody has to provide the muck.

Oh, there'll be muck enough.

64 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:49:16am

re: #62 Buck

Don't you think "Tiger Woods territory" is a real exaggeration?

Tiger Woods territory is entirely consensual.

65 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:49:36am

re: #62 Buck

Why do you say that it's substantiated that she gave him a hug?

66 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:49:41am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Oh, there'll be muck enough.

Rhymes with "Buck", oddly enough.

67 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:49:41am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Oh, there'll be muck enough.

Muck the mucking muckers.

68 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:50:22am

re: #62 Buck

Substantiated? Well you and I have different definitions of "these were substantiated events".

And which one of you is better versed in law?

Tiger Woods territory? Is anyone accusing Herman Cain of having an affair? Anyone? At least in Tigers case there were "substantiated events". Don't you think "Tiger Woods territory" is a real exaggeration?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

69 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:51:00am

re: #66 wrenchwench

Rhymes with "Buck", oddly enough.

Hey!! Buck and I are in total agreement--we both want Mr Cain to shake this off and do very well in the primaries.

70 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:51:05am

re: #65 Obdicut

Why do you say that it's substantiated that she gave him a hug?

I have heard witnesses say so. However... if even that is in question, then we have NOTHING that I can see that is substantiated.

71 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:52:32am

re: #64 Alouette

Tiger Woods territory is entirely consensual.

Until you ask the wife.

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:52:59am

Exactly how does a woman who was sexually harassed substantiate her allegation? There were only two people in the room, and there's almost never any evidence. Having someone grab your breasts is illegal, yet doesn't leave bruises. There's no marks on your blouse, and yet it happened. You might, might get really lucky and the perpetrator was an idiot, and there was a camera in the room, but not likely.

What proof do these woman need to offer? Get concrete, please.

73 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:53:18am

re: #70 Buck

Heh. I see. So, it's substantiated to you since a witness said it, but when witnesses say things you don't like, you don't consider that 'substantiated'.

You are completely transparent.

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:54:14am

Is there anybody on line here right now who would vote for Herman Cain, allegations or not?

75 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:54:28am

re: #72 EmmmieG

Exactly how does a woman who was sexually harassed substantiate her allegation? There were only two people in the room, and there's almost never any evidence. Having someone grab your breasts is illegal, yet doesn't leave bruises. There's no marks on your blouse, and yet it happened. You might, might get really lucky and the perpetrator was an idiot, and there was a camera in the room, but not likely.

What proof do these woman need to offer? Get concrete, please.

that's when you take matters into your own hand...any woman that is groped should resist with all she's got

76 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:54:39am

What is substantiated is that Cain keeps changing his story.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:54:48am

> she said that she would at least “think about” voting for Cain if he admitted what had happened

Now, that actually does sound cheesy and weird.

78 erik_t  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:54:58am

re: #74 ralphieboy

Maybe White House Chef.

79 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:55:11am

re: #73 Obdicut

Heh. I see. So, it's substantiated to you since a witness said it, but when witnesses say things you don't like, you don't consider that 'substantiated'.

You are completely transparent.

It was in a crowd of people. However do you have a witness I don't know about? Someone who can substantiate ANY part of what happened?

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:55:38am

re: #74 ralphieboy

Is there anybody on line here right now who would vote for Herman Cain, allegations or not?

There are bounds to my commie cynicism.

81 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:55:59am

re: #72 EmmmieG

Exactly how does a woman who was sexually harassed substantiate her allegation? There were only two people in the room, and there's almost never any evidence. Having someone grab your breasts is illegal, yet doesn't leave bruises. There's no marks on your blouse, and yet it happened. You might, might get really lucky and the perpetrator was an idiot, and there was a camera in the room, but not likely.

What proof do these woman need to offer? Get concrete, please.

I have read that there were witnesses to the first accusation, but employees of the NRA. I imagine they don't want the media on them either.

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:56:48am

Substantiated: NRA paid large settlement sums to several women in connection with harrassement suits involving HC.

Substantiated: Herman Cain has changed his story on the settlements and sums.

Unsubstantiated: everything else

83 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:56:57am

re: #75 albusteve

that's when you take matters into your own hand...any woman that is groped should resist with all she's got

At which point she becomes the aggressor and gets arrested for assault. Even if the man loses his cool and hits back, his jail time is mitigated by the fact that he can claim self-defense.

84 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:57:56am

re: #83 thedopefishlives

At which point she becomes the aggressor and gets arrested for assault. Even if the man loses his cool and hits back, his jail time is mitigated by the fact that he can claim self-defense.

I'm not intimidated by the law in the least....you do what's right regardless

85 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:58:05am

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

Until you ask the wife.

Tiger Woods didn't grab any crotch that wasn't willingly presented.

86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:58:22am

re: #55 albusteve

more believable than claiming god told him to run

Well if it was Zeus that told him to run than this makes more sense.
/

87 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:59:45am

re: #62 Buck

an affair would be better than what he is accused of. tiger woods had willing women who wanted to sleep with him.

88 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:00:11am

ZOMG OWS "safe tents" for wimminz are teh Creeping Sharia!!!11!™

89 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:00:44am

re: #79 Buck

It was in a crowd of people. However do you have a witness I don't know about? Someone who can substantiate ANY part of what happened?

Explain why the payout had to come with a gag order to not talk about the situation (in the case of the employees that accused him)? If you have nothing to keep hidden, why mandate that? And why such a large payout for it (in relation to the usual termination payouts from previous unrelated situations with the NRA)?

90 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:01:00am

re: #85 Alouette

Quite true, I just happen to find the spouse to be the sadly ignored factor in "consensual" sex by way of dismissing the misbehavior.

91 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:01:20am

Nice way to represent, Only Real Black Man in the race. e_e

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:01:32am

re: #86 oaktree

Well if it was Zeus that told him to run than this makes more sense.
/

Wait--I'm confused. Are we talking about Cain or Romney here?

Cause the whole Leda and the Swan thing is sounding familiar right about now.

93 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:01:50am

re: #45 wrenchwench

Although I see Erickson says Gingrich can't win women's votes either. And then he says Mitt can't beat Obama and conservatism is going to die. I think he has a sad.

I think Erick, Son of Erick has finally started to realize the GOP is fucked. They don't have any good candidates running right now that could appease the lunatic base AND win the general.

94 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:02:03am

Iowa Republican Bob Vander Plaats:
"It's awfully hard for CEOs to not know if there's a settlement or not a settlement."

95 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:02:13am

re: #79 Buck

I completely believe she got physically close to him. I'm not doubting that. I'm pointing out your wild difference in what you consider 'substantiated' based on how much you like the info.

This is the story you're referring to, I believe-- Glenn Beck interviewing a woman.

[Link: www.therightscoop.com...]

Earlier today I ran this story from the Suntimes and my impression of that story was that Amy Jacobson, the witness to this encounter between Cain and Bialek a month ago, was that it was suggesting that the encounter didn’t appear to have happened as Bialek has represented yesterday in her press conference. However, after listening to this interview, it seems to me that, if anything, Jacobson is actually corroborating Bialek’s story to the extent that she can, given that she doesn’t know exactly what was said between them.

But when it comes to judging Cain and Bialek’s the body motion, Jacobson described their encounter as ‘intense’, that you could ‘cut it with a knife’, saying that she knew not to interrupt them. Jacobson had wanted to get a photo with Cain and said she was bum-rushed by Bialek who beat her to Cain and then had his ear for 2-3 minutes. She said it was clear Bialek had something she wanted to tell Cain and “by God she was going to tell him what she came there to tell him”. When asked about her characterization that it was ‘flirtatious’, she said she meant that Bialek was in Cain’s personal space, very close to his ear. Again, she affirmed she had no idea what they were actually talking about, only that Cain was saying “uh huh” several times throughout their brief encounter.

It’s also worth pointing out that Jacobson said she has also been sexually assaulted before (not with Cain) and that she believes Bialek’s story. She also challenged Beck’s belief that Gloria Allred isn’t credible, saying that Allred does serve a purpose.

And as for a witness you don't know about? Are you dismissing all four-- now five-- women as not 'witnesses' to their own harassment? And are you dismissing this fifth woman that's come forward and said Cain tried to get her to set up a dinner between him and a 'lovely young woman' he'd been taken with in Egypt, and then tried to get her to go to dinner with him?

96 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:02:37am

re: #72 EmmmieG

What proof do these woman need to offer? Get concrete, please.

That works two ways. There is a man who's life is about to be ruined by allegations and rumours. Don't you think there should be some kind of backup?

97 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:02:51am

re: #94 jaunte

Iowa Republican Bob Vander Plaats:
"It's awfully hard for CEOs to not know if there's a settlement or not a settlement."

Et tu, Vander?

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:02:59am

re: #61 makeitstop

Ms. Bialek is good at staying on-message:

I'm thinking she'll hold up well, despite wingnut attempts to trash her.

“I don’t despise the man; I actually did it because I wanted to give him the platform to come clean, to tell the truth,” Bialek said on the “Early Show.”

Eh, whatever. She knows perfectly well that his hope of a real presidential campaign is going down in flames, and if she's got any sense at all, she knows he won't come clean.

I'd rather she say she's doing this because he's got it coming, but perhaps that doesn't look nice.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:03:41am

re: #62 Buck

Substantiated? Well you and I have different definitions of "these were substantiated events". The only event I know has been substantiated is that Bialek looked for and found Cain at a recent tea party event, and gave him an embrace (hug).

This is the one event you consider substantiated? Who substantiated that event?

100 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:04:09am

re: #96 Buck

That works two ways. There is a man who's life is about to be ruined by allegations and rumours. Don't you think there should be some kind of backup?

Like a blue dress that was kept for an inordinately long time, unwashed?

101 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:04:29am

re: #96 Buck

That works two ways. There is a man who's life is about to be ruined by allegations and rumours. Don't you think there should be some kind of backup?

While I see your point, what kind of "backup" is there? Should all offices be put on closed circuit TV? You've got a victim who has no evidence but her own testimony, most of the time.

102 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:04:30am

re: #96 Buck

That works two ways. There is a man who's life is about to be ruined by allegations and rumours. Don't you think there should be some kind of backup?

if he's been set up, then he's too stupid to feed himself....hardly presidential

103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:04:52am

re: #75 albusteve

that's when you take matters into your own hand...any woman that is groped should resist with all she's got

Just like that.

Gotcha.

104 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:04:57am

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he's referring to Amy Jacobson, above. Who thinks that Bialek's story is true, so kind of an odd choice for a witness, but whatevs.

105 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:05:21am

re: #102 albusteve


And that's it in a nutshell.

106 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:05:54am

Details Emerge On Cain’s Accusers, Cain Campaign Starts The Trashing

His presser today will be a hilarious trainwreck.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:06:34am

re: #70 Buck

I have heard witnesses say so. However... if even that is in question, then we have NOTHING that I can see that is substantiated.

Blink. Blink. Blink.

Which witnesses? Who were they? Could they have been confused? Might they have been lying? Does every detail of their story line up? Even if it does, is it possible that the hug meant something different?

Buck, you're surreal. You're picking a single detail that works for your preferred narrative and calling it 'substantiated', while the mountain of accumulating evidence against your narrative is invisible to you.

108 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:06:41am

re: #106 Lidane

Details Emerge On Cain’s Accusers, Cain Campaign Starts The Trashing

His presser today will be a hilarious trainwreck.

Debate tomorrow night.

109 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:07:23am

re: #102 albusteve

if he's been set up, then he's too stupid to feed himself...hardly presidential

Pfft. He appeals to the same rubes who loved Caribou Barbie as a principled conservative. The bar isn't exactly high.

110 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:07:36am

re: #93 Lidane

I think Erick, Son of Erick has finally started to realize the GOP is fucked. They don't have any good candidates running right now that could appease the lunatic base AND win the general.

The worst/funniest part of it is, it takes visions of Herman Cain groping Sharon Bialek for them to realize what everyone else already knew.

That's how deluded they are.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:07:49am

re: #74 ralphieboy

Is there anybody on line here right now who would vote for Herman Cain, allegations or not?

I would vote for Herman Cain if the other option was Michelle Bachmann, and you had a gun on me. Otherwise not.

But that has little to do with the allegations, I would have said the same a month ago.

112 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:08:01am

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the one event you consider substantiated? Who substantiated that event?

Fine, then your point is that EVEN that has not been substantiated. So NOTHING has been substantiated.

I was saying that there was no growing evidence of substantiated events. I was willing to mention ONE that might have been. I really don't care if you want to say it didn't happen.
I was saying that this was wrong: "the evidence is growing that these were substantiated events".

113 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:08:29am

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

I would vote for Herman Cain if the other option was Michelle Bachmann, and you had a gun on me. Otherwise not.

But that has little to do with the allegations, I would have said the same a month ago.

If it came down to those two, I would vote for neither and take the bullet, because then we are well and truly screwed.

114 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:08:42am

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

“I don’t despise the man; I actually did it because I wanted to give him the platform to come clean, to tell the truth,” Bialek said on the “Early Show.”

Eh, whatever. She knows perfectly well that his hope of a real presidential campaign is going down in flames, and if she's got any sense at all, she knows he won't come clean.

I'd rather she say she's doing this because he's got it coming, but perhaps that doesn't look nice.

Good point. Her statement about maybe voting for him truly has no basis in reality due to the reasons you list above.

And I don't blame her at all for wanting a little payback, even though it would be impolitic to actually say so. And besides, her conciliatory statements will make it harder for Cain supporters to make certain charges stick (not for lack of trying, though).

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:09:17am

re: #112 Buck

Fine, then your point is that EVEN that has not been substantiated. So NOTHING has been substantiated.

I was saying that there was no growing evidence of substantiated events. I was willing to mention ONE that might have been. I really don't care if you want to say it didn't happen.
I was saying that this was wrong: "the evidence is growing that these were substantiated events".
she wanted it

fxd

116 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:09:26am

Sorry to go OT, but the wingnuts have another reason for their heads to explode today:

D.C. Appellate Court Upholds Constitutionality Of Obamacare

117 Ming  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:09:37am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Innocent until proven guilty" is necessary for the criminal justice system.

"Beyond reproach" legally is necessary if one wants to be elected President.

What an excellent choice of words: "beyond reproach", for high office.

118 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:09:39am

Cain is probably not the one you would look to if ever there was a national crisis.
His responses imply that he would bomb the hell out of Uzbeki-beki-beki stan, before he knew what caused the crisis.

119 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:09:42am

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Only the most recent allegation would actually give me pause, since it includes physical force.

But yeah, his positions on actual policies are whackjob and unrealistic, but that's true of every single GOP contender. Doesn't really stand out of the pack for that.

120 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:09:56am

re: #104 Obdicut

I think he's referring to Amy Jacobson, above. Who thinks that Bialek's story is true, so kind of an odd choice for a witness, but whatevs.

OK, even if she THINKS Cain is guilty. I was saying that this was the only substantiated event.

Her thinking Cain is guilty does not substantiate anything does it?

121 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:10:59am

re: #120 Buck

So your version of 'substantiated' is 'one person said that it happened'.

But that does not apply to the women themselves, correct?

122 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:11:37am

re: #118 OhNoZombies!

Cain is probably not the one you would look to if ever there was a national crisis.
His responses imply that he would bomb the hell out of Uzbeki-beki-beki stan, before he knew what caused the crisis.

Actually, at this point I figure he would be more inclined to completely ignore any and all foreign policy crises as "distractions from the true narrative" and continue to pound the table with his ridonkulous domestic reforms.

123 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:11:42am

re: #116 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but the wingnuts have another reason for their heads to explode today:

D.C. Appellate Court Upholds Constitutionality Of Obamacare

Aktivis judges!!11ty!

124 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:11:57am

re: #120 Buck

OK, even if she THINKS Cain is guilty. I was saying that this was the only substantiated event.

Her thinking Cain is guilty does not substantiate anything does it?

in the court of public opinion Buck...that's the simple reality

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:12:06am

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

I would vote for Herman Cain if the other option was Michelle Bachmann, and you had a gun on me. Otherwise not.

But that has little to do with the allegations, I would have said the same a month ago.

I wouldn't vote for anyone running on a GOP platform.

126 mikec6666  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:12:09am

re: #5 Charles

Which of course proves he's not playing by the media's rules since he called it at 5 PM, when they're all getting ready to go booze it up.

127 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:13:05am

Thanks for providing this forum, Charles. And thanks for not banning Buck. He provides the contrast that highlights the difference between this place and most other places.

128 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:13:17am

re: #121 Obdicut

So your version of 'substantiated' is 'one person said that it happened'.

But that does not apply to the women themselves, correct?

Does it apply to Cain? Is he a witness that can substantiate the events in question?

129 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:13:43am

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I wouldn't vote for anyone running on a GOP platform.

Though you have to admit it's a more stable and consistent platform than windows. It's also pretty hard to get a USB port to work in something carved out of granite...
//

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:13:43am

re: #112 Buck

Fine, then your point is that EVEN that has not been substantiated. So NOTHING has been substantiated.

I was saying that there was no growing evidence of substantiated events. I was willing to mention ONE that might have been. I really don't care if you want to say it didn't happen.
I was saying that this was wrong: "the evidence is growing that these were substantiated events".

Yes, I got that.

You're wrong. There is growing evidence. Your 'reasons' why the evidence does not count are quite silly.

Buck, this isn't fooling anyone. Not to pull the Balance Fairy on you, but if this sort of evidence were stacking up against a Democrat, you would accept it in its entirety, and everyone here know that, so your weird arguments for poor, beleaguered Herman Cain aren't gonna get much traction around here.

131 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:14:05am

re: #122 thedopefishlives

i was thinking in terms of his pattern of blaming everyone else for his predicament.

But i agree with you.

132 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:14:20am

This could be (and this is unsubstantiated speculation) the ultimate hatchet job from within the GOP, which must realize that HC is unelectable.

But since they can sell it as a "left wing hatchet job" they can effectively deflect suspicion.

Could backfire and even solidify Cain's position in the primary race, really saddling them with an even bigger problem.

And if Can makes a strong showing in the primaries and still loses out to Romney in the convention then it will also not reflect well on the GOP.

133 mikec6666  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:14:43am

re: #4 jaunte

Damn you, you beat me to the punch :)

134 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:14:51am

re: #126 mikec6666

Which of course proves he's not playing by the media's rules since he called it at 5 PM, when they're all getting ready to go booze it up.

He called it for 5pm in Arizona, which means it's 7pm on the East Coast and 4pm on the West. The NewYork/DC press contingent might be a few beers into happy hour by that point, but in California, they'll still be at work.

135 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:15:45am

re: #128 Buck

Does it apply to Cain? Is he a witness that can substantiate the events in question?

He's already blown his own credibility out of the water with his shifting accounts of what happened.

At least the accusers have one side of the story and are sticking to it. Cain has denied, then admitted, key aspects of their charges.

Unreliable witness, your honor.
/

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:15:59am

re: #128 Buck

Does it apply to Cain? Is he a witness that can substantiate the events in question?

Cain can tell his version of events. Unfortunately, he's not doing a very good job with it.

137 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:16:12am

re: #131 OhNoZombies!

i was thinking in terms of his pattern of blaming everyone else for his predicament.

But i agree with you.

Yeah, you raise a good point there. I was just thinking more of his dogged determination to refuse to "play by the rules" and ignore the blatantly obvious until it's too late.

Insert analogy to the RMS Titanic here.

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:16:12am

re: #127 wrenchwench

Thanks for providing this forum, Charles. And thanks for not banning Buck. He provides the contrast that highlights the difference between this place and most other places.

I don't see why he would be banned.

But the past day or so has definitely given us a glimpse of the rwnj's version of bros before ho's.

139 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:16:47am

re: #128 Buck

Does it apply to Cain? Is he a witness that can substantiate the events in question?

Um, I don't know. I'm talking about your standards for 'substantiate'. I'm pointing out that you made a big fuss that Lawhawk was saying that there's more evidence these are substantiated-- I think somehow you're not getting that multiple people making the same claims does, indeed, increase the substantiation of a claim-- and yet your criteria for 'substantiated' is "one person said it".

And it's also a lie to say, even by those standards, that's the only thing that's substantiated. It's also substatiated, then, by your standards, that the conversation between Cain and Bialek was 'intense', that "you could cut it with a knife" and that it was clear Bialek had something she wanted to tell Cain and “by God she was going to tell him what she came there to tell him”.

Right?

140 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:16:57am

re: #75 albusteve

that's when you take matters into your own hand...any woman that is groped should resist with all she's got

I'm a fighter, but let me tell you that when I was groped by a manager, I was so shocked that I just got the hell out of there instead of kicking him in the nuts.

141 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:17:03am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Cain can tell his version of events. Unfortunately, he's not doing a very good job with it.

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

142 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:17:45am

re: #134 Lidane

He called it for 5pm in Arizona, which means it's 7pm on the East Coast and 4pm on the West. The NewYork/DC press contingent might be a few beers into happy hour by that point, but in California, they'll still be at work.

He is holding the press conf, in Arizona but the time is 5:00PM EST. that means 2:00PM in California and 3:00PM in Arizona.

143 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:17:56am

re: #128 Buck

Does it apply to Cain? Is he a witness that can substantiate the events in question?

Sure, he is a witness, though I don't think he has much credibility since he keeps changing his story.

144 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:18:07am

re: #141 Buck

He's said a lot more than that.

145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:18:07am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

How about one that's consistent, to begin with.

146 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:18:56am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

How about the truth?

147 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:19:07am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Cain can tell his version of events. Unfortunately, he's not doing a very good job with it.

Which version? He's up to 5 now, or is it 6?

149 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:19:49am

re: #146 makeitstop

How about the truth?

You can't HANDLE the truth!

/Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Cain pulled that line

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:19:51am

Steve, I get why you are sensitive on this matter. You've told us what happened to you.

This kind of stuff tends to rest on things like believability.

For example: When I first heard about the woman claiming Bieber fathered her baby I said, "He was sixteen. They leave him alone with fans?" The whole set up sounds unrealistic, and the woman seems unreliable. I could still be wrong, I suppose.

When multiple women come forward, and their stories are plausible, and they told other people at the time, it looks very different.

151 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:19:52am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

then why is his union coughing up hush money?...did he get his ass kicked by a bunch of lowlife goldiggers?

152 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:20:13am

re: #132 ralphieboy

This could be (and this is unsubstantiated speculation) the ultimate hatchet job from within the GOP, which must realize that HC is unelectable.

But since they can sell it as a "left wing hatchet job" they can effectively deflect suspicion.

Could backfire and even solidify Cain's position in the primary race, really saddling them with an even bigger problem.

And if Can makes a strong showing in the primaries and still loses out to Romney in the convention then it will also not reflect well on the GOP.

I've been saying something similar for the past few days, that HC has really mopped the bigot brigades into a corner. By letting them position him as the only True Black in the Werrellled, they now have to defend everything he does based on their own race card they wave at Black Democratic voters, which is to say most Black people...you don't support HC? Yur a raaacissst!!!

Stupid assholes.

153 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:20:24am

re: #151 albusteve

What union?

154 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:20:36am

re: #137 thedopefishlives

I was just thinking more of his dogged determination to refuse to "play by the rules" and ignore the blatantly obvious until it's too late.

Herman Cain and his supporters are like Mr. Stubborn:

155 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:20:57am

re: #137 thedopefishlives

Yeah, you raise a good point there. I was just thinking more of his dogged determination to refuse to "play by the rules" and ignore the blatantly obvious until it's too late.

Insert analogy to the RMS Titanic here.

Cain offered to paint the women like one of his French girls?

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:21:04am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

He also said that he didn't know about the settlements, then he changed his mind and said he did. That's 'substantiated'--he said both things to the press on camera.

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158 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:21:26am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

How about the truth? That would be a good start.

159 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:21:34am

re: #151 albusteve

then why is his union coughing up hush money?...did he get his ass kicked by a bunch of lowlife goldiggers?

That is simply not a true description of what is going on.

160 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:21:40am

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cain offered to paint the women like one of his French girls?

This thread is now over.

161 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:21:49am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

Well, he said that. And he said he never heard about the payoff. And he said he knew about the payoff. And he said it was a misunderstanding, that all he did was put his hand under her chin and say his wife was that tall. And he said all he did was a different gesture. And he said...

As others have noted, the problem with taking Cain's side is knowing which of his sides you're supposed to take. Meanwhile the stories from the women don't change.

162 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:22:13am

re: #153 Obdicut

What union?

the NRA or whatever it is...not a union, a lobby group

163 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:22:56am

re: #159 Buck

That is simply not a true description of what is going on.

Outside of calling NRA a 'union' instead of a lobbying outfit, I'd say it's pretty much dead on.

164 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:22:59am

re: #150 EmmmieG

Steve, I get why you are sensitive on this matter. You've told us what happened to you.

This kind of stuff tends to rest on things like believability.

For example: When I first heard about the woman claiming Bieber fathered her baby I said, "He was sixteen. They leave him alone with fans?" The whole set up sounds unrealistic, and the woman seems unreliable. I could still be wrong, I suppose.

When multiple women come forward, and their stories are plausible, and they told other people at the time, it looks very different.

Going all "South Park" here: it's not possible to get pregnant by giving a blow job.

165 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:23:09am

re: #162 albusteve

Yeah. Not a union. Kind of the opposite of a union.

sheesh.

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:23:21am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

He's said a lot of things that don't add up.

Why would you believe any of them?

167 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:23:52am

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

He also said that he didn't know about the settlements, then he changed his mind and said he did. That's 'substantiated'--he said both things to the press on camera.

Even the lawyer for one of the accusing women said that it is possible he didn't know about the settlement.

He could have been told about it between the two different times he was asked. He also might not remember every detail about an event he thought was over 14 years ago.

168 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:24:09am

re: #164 Alouette

Going all "South Park" here: it's not possible to get pregnant by giving a blow job.

Well, yeah, but I expect to see the Bieber lawsuit go down in flames. I just don't see that Bieber doesn't have eight people around him at all times backstage.

169 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:25:03am

re: #166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He's said a lot of things that don't add up.

Why would you believe any of them?

Because Cain is a Republican, of course.

170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:25:08am

re: #167 Buck

You don't know Herman Cain. You just think you do.

171 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:26:05am

re: #169 Lidane

Because Cain is a Republican, of course.

Ah, but so is Bialek.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:26:17am

re: #167 Buck

Even the lawyer for one of the accusing women said that it is possible he didn't know about the settlement.

He could have been told about it between the two different times he was asked. He also might not remember every detail about an event he thought was over 14 years ago.

Oh dear God. "He could have been told about it between the two different..."

Buck, why do I get the feeling you don't think Mr. Cain is guilty of anything?

173 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:26:17am

re: #168 EmmmieG

Well, yeah, but I expect to see the Bieber lawsuit go down in flames. I just don't see that Bieber doesn't have eight people around him at all times backstage.

That's totally gross! (I am still in "South Park" mode)

174 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:26:30am

re: #167 Buck

Even the lawyer for one of the accusing women said that it is possible he didn't know about the settlement.

He could have been told about it between the two different times he was asked. He also might not remember every detail about an event he thought was over 14 years ago.

If you're creepy and you know it clap your hands
If you're creepy and you know it clap your hands
If you're creepy and you know it, then your face will surely show it
If you're creepy and you know it, clap your hands

(Yes, I have a large repertoire of children's songs.)

175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:26:44am

re: #167 Buck

Even the lawyer for one of the accusing women said that it is possible he didn't know about the settlement.

He could have been told about it between the two different times he was asked. He also might not remember every detail about an event he thought was over 14 years ago.

I get it now!

The answer is "9-9-9".

The questions don't matter since you're not allowed to know the question, the answer, and the context of how the answer fits the question without it bringing the universe to end in a fiery explosion.

:p
(And some hold that this already happened and a more messed up and screwy universe popped up as a result.)

176 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:26:44am

re: #163 makeitstop

Outside of calling NRA a 'union' instead of a lobbying outfit, I'd say it's pretty much dead on.

You have no knowledge of what is in the packages. Sometimes companies settle for a small amount of money, even when the claims are baseless, in order to save the costs of going to trial. Of course you might characterize it is hush money, but the NRA has already told the woman she doesn't have to hush.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:27:12am

re: #168 EmmmieG

Well, yeah, but I expect to see the Bieber lawsuit go down in flames. I just don't see that Bieber doesn't have eight people around him at all times backstage.

One of the distraught 'Beliebers' brought that up on Twitter actually.

178 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:27:37am

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh dear God. "He could have been told about it between the two different..."

Buck, why do I get the feeling you don't think Mr. Cain is guilty of anything?

I know what he is guilty of...I know exactly what it is that he did wrong.

179 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:27:44am

re: #168 EmmmieG

Well, yeah, but I expect to see the Bieber lawsuit go down in flames. I just don't see that Bieber doesn't have eight people around him at all times backstage.

Not only that, but there's no way in hell that kid has much in the way of personal privacy even away from a concert venue. You just know that he's got his parents and handlers around him pretty much non-stop. He's 17 in an industry filled with sharks. If he doesn't have someone who he trusts around him at all times, I'd be amazed.

180 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:27:56am

re: #164 Alouette

Going all "South Park" here: it's not possible to get pregnant by giving a blow job.

THIS IS TOTALLY GROSS DON'T READ IT IF YOU ARE EATING LUNCH

Some tennis star claimed that a woman gave him oral sex, didn't swallow, and then used a syringe to get pregnant.

I have no idea how the case was resolved. I was too grossed out to keep reading.

181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:28:04am

re: #171 Sionainn

Ah, but so is Bialek.

Bros before ho's, baby.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:28:12am

re: #178 Buck

I know what he is guilty of...I know exactly what it is that he did wrong.

Which is?

183 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:28:50am

"I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that this news conference is planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of Herman Cain (in keeping his hands to himself). Don't blame the victims, don't blame the Media. If you can't catch a break, blame yourself."

-the Media

184 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:28:57am

re: #178 Buck

I know what he is guilty of...I know exactly what it is that he did wrong.

You can feel the deflector shield charging up...

185 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:29:12am

re: #171 Sionainn

Ah, but so is Bialek.

No True Republican/Tea Party Woman would say such things about a Republican man. She's clearly a gold-digging librul plant.

/right-wing blogosphere

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:29:22am

re: #178 Buck

I know what he is guilty of...I know exactly what it is that he did wrong.

Do tell.

This ought to be good for a laugh.

187 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:29:35am

re: #176 Buck

You have no knowledge of what is in the packages. Sometimes companies settle for a small amount of money, even when the claims are baseless, in order to save the costs of going to trial. Of course you might characterize it is hush money, but the NRA has already told the woman she doesn't have to hush.

don't confuse then, with now....Cain is too stupid to find his ass with both hands or the matter would have been cleared up last week, right?

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:29:43am

re: #184 oaktree

You can feel the deflector shield charging up...

You too? I thought it was the ringing in my ears.

189 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:30:17am

re: #180 EmmmieG

I'm sure she got the idea from watching "South Park"

190 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:30:26am

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is?

Let me ask you a question first. Can you remember what you thought when Kathleen Willey accused Bill Clinton of groping her in the Oval Office?

I know you are a fan of Hillary, (so am I).... Can you remember anything about that scandal?

191 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:30:26am

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

He also said that he didn't know about the settlements, then he changed his mind and said he did. That's 'substantiated'--he said both things to the press on camera.

he's blamed perry's people. liberals. racists. rahm emanuel. the obsessed media. and wimmens that tell lies for money. he also planned for this sexual harassment line of attack by the opposition for his 2004 senate race. now it's 2011 and he had no recollection of lawsuits or payouts. oh, those piddly payouts. oh, those women. this is not the personal responsibility you are looking for.

192 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:31:27am

re: #190 Buck

Just answer the damn question, Buck. You made a strong claim:

I know what he is guilty of...I know exactly what it is that he did wrong.

Now explain what it is that you know exactly.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:32:04am

re: #190 Buck

Let me ask you a question first. Can you remember what you thought when Kathleen Willey accused Bill Clinton of groping her in the Oval Office?

I know you are a fan of Hillary, (so am I)... Can you remember anything about that scandal?

No, Buck. I'm not playing Kathleen Willey with you.

Tell me what you think Cain is guilty of.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:32:37am

re: #191 zora

he's blamed perry's people. liberals. racists. rahm emanuel. the obsessed media. and wimmens that tell lies for money. he also planned for this sexual harassment line of attack by the opposition for his 2004 senate race. now it's 2011 and he had no recollection of lawsuits or payouts. oh, those piddly payouts. oh, those women. this is not the personal responsibility you are looking for.

I suspect Perry's people also. I think they dug this up. Logical folks to do it.

195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:32:52am

re: #191 zora

he's blamed perry's people. liberals. racists. rahm emanuel. the obsessed media. and wimmens that tell lies for money. he also planned for this sexual harassment line of attack by the opposition for his 2004 senate race. now it's 2011 and he had no recollection of lawsuits or payouts. oh, those piddly payouts. oh, those women. this is not the personal responsibility you are looking for.

Really? To me, that is the ideal in conservative male "personal responsibility". Blame everyone else but yourself for your own failures, then call your success (i.e. ability to show off your money and accumulated objects) that of a rugged individual who came out of the womb, self-sufficient.

196 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:34:12am

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect Perry's people also. I think they dug this up. Logical folks to do it.

I'm convinced this comes from the GOP side of things. The Dems have no reason to get involved in the Republican clown circus yet.

Romney or Perry? I'd say Perry. Goodhair's got Rove in his corner. This would fit.

197 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:34:45am

re: #178 Buck

I know what he is guilty of...I know exactly what it is that he did wrong.

re: #192 Obdicut

Just answer the damn question, Buck. You made a strong claim:

Now explain what it is that you know exactly.

Guilty of naive belief in the media. He said so last thread.

And that's all.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:35:47am

re: #196 Lidane

I'm convinced this comes from the GOP side of things. The Dems have no reason to get involved in the Republican clown circus yet.

Romney or Perry? I'd say Perry. Goodhair's got Rove in his corner. This would fit.

The Democrats are working on Romney and Perry right now. Cain's a minor distraction, in fact they're probably better off the longer he stays in, chatting about his tax plan.

Yeah, I think Perry found the settlements. Clear out the playing field a little.

199 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:36:07am

re: #167 Buck

Even the lawyer for one of the accusing women said that it is possible he didn't know about the settlement.

He could have been told about it between the two different times he was asked. He also might not remember every detail about an event he thought was over 14 years ago.

In an interview with Forbes magazine, Cain claimed that Curt Anderson, Perry's newly-hired media strategist who also worked on Cain's 2004 Senate bid, fed the story to Politico, adding that he had privately briefed Anderson on the harassment cases during the 2004 campaign.

Read more: [Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:36:07am

re: #196 Lidane

I'm convinced this comes from the GOP side of things. The Dems have no reason to get involved in the Republican clown circus yet.

Romney or Perry? I'd say Perry. Goodhair's got Rove in his corner. This would fit.

I thought Rove was team romney.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:36:13am

re: #197 Renaissance_Man

re: #192 Obdicut

Guilty of naive belief in the media. He said so last thread.

And that's all.

He loved the press, not wisely but too well.

202 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:37:27am

re: #176 Buck

at least one woman got a years salary. look it up.

203 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:37:49am

re: #199 zora

In an interview with Forbes magazine, Cain claimed that Curt Anderson, Perry's newly-hired media strategist who also worked on Cain's 2004 Senate bid, fed the story to Politico, adding that he had privately briefed Anderson on the harassment cases during the 2004 campaign.

He never denied that there were harassment cases. He said he didn't know about settlements related to them.

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:37:53am

The drum circles are working!
Wall St. executives bonuses to fall 30%: study

205 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:38:18am
206 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:38:37am

re: #200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I thought Rove was team romney.

Ah, you're right. Brain fart. Rove and Goodhair hate each other. My bad.

Either way, this is more Perry than Romney, I think. Mittens is too busy trying to convince the lunatics that he's not an evil anti-Christ and that they can vote for him. He's got more to lose than Perry if he goes after Cain.

207 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:38:46am

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

No, Buck. I'm not playing Kathleen Willey with you.

Tell me what you think Cain is guilty of.

let me guess. leaving the plantation.

208 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:39:08am

re: #176 Buck

You have no knowledge of what is in the packages.

Yes, I do. It's a matter of pubic record that one accuser got a year's salary.

Sometimes companies settle for a small amount of money, even when the claims are baseless, in order to save the costs of going to trial.

A year's salary is no small amount of money, Buck. Wait, maybe it is in 'Defend Cain At All Costs Land.' You'd know that better than I.

Of course you might characterize it is hush money, but the NRA has already told the woman she doesn't have to hush.

Why would the NRA insist upon a non-disclosure agreement, if not to hush the woman up?

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:39:28am

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barton: Our Government Came Right Out Of The Bible

No. No it did not.

210 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:39:41am

re: #207 zora

Something that rhymes with gliberal lantation?
[Link: www.google.com...]

211 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:39:51am

re: #203 Buck

He never denied that there were harassment cases. He said he didn't know about settlements related to them.

Echoes of "what is 'is'?"

212 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:40:46am

re: #202 zora

at least one woman got a years salary. look it up.

Right, but you don't know if she had any employment contract that required it. That fact does not in any way help evaluate the veracity of her claims.

213 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:41:13am

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

He loved the press, not wisely but too well.

That's the thrust of the 'journalist ethic code' pap that Cain is pushing - doesn't matter what the allegations are, doesn't matter the facts, none of them are true because liberal media Democrat party high tech lynching.

That line would work, too, if Cain actually had a say in the Conservative cult media. However, the cult is already bringing out the 'not ready for prime time', which basically means that 'our black' was a fine candidate, but if he can't deal with the hostile liberal media Democrat party Commie Marxist traitor New York Slimes like any good, red blooded Conservative would have to, then he can't win.

So cultists like Buck have it both ways - they have a quick Two Minute media Hate, and have an excuse to move away from an unelectable candidate without ever admitting that he had stupid ideas. Win-win.

214 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:41:41am
215 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:41:45am

re: #204 Killgore Trout

The drum circles are working!
Wall St. executives bonuses to fall 30%: study

Oh how awful for them.

216 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:42:18am

regardless if Cain is a serial groper or not, he's a serial idiot....how and why he got himself into this mess and the way he's handled it is proof of his caveman mentality...not fit for office by several light years

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:42:34am

Crud. Just remembered where 'not wisely but too well' comes from. That could be seen as racially loaded, in the context of the present story.

I do apologize.

218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:42:44am

re: #207 zora

let me guess. leaving the plantation.

Running for POTUS while black as an emancipated slave.

219 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:42:56am

re: #212 Buck

Her attorney has stated flatly that it was a settlement, and not a severance package. So no, you're wrong.

Or are you saying the lawyer is lying?

And are you just going to keep dodging around answering what it is you know 'exactly' that Cain is guilty of?

220 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43:04am

re: #216 albusteve

regardless if Cain is a serial groper or not, he's a serial idiot...how and why he got himself into this mess and the way he's handled it is proof of his caveman mentality...not fit for office by several light years

But he's not Romney, and he's black! That's reason enough to nominate him!

///

221 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43:14am

And the cloaking device has been activated around comment #178...

222 webevintage  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43:29am

re: #200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I thought Rove was team romney.

Rove is on team "any conservative man" if a woman has the nerve to try and emasculate them by denying them their right to grope and or make "inappropriate" remarks.

223 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43:35am

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

i believe that the perry people may have dug it up, but it is not their fault that he has to answer for his past behavior. there is really no reason he wasn't prepared for this.

224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43:42am

re: #216 albusteve

regardless if Cain is a serial groper or not, he's a serial idiot...how and why he got himself into this mess and the way he's handled it is proof of his caveman mentality...not fit for office by several light years

Yeah but we knew that before the scandal.

225 jaunte  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:44:45am

re: #204 Killgore Trout

The drum circles are working!
Wall St. executives bonuses to fall 30%: study

Last year, for instance, JPMorgan Chase chief executive James Dimon had a base salary of juse $1 million, but a cash bonus of $5 million and stocks and options grants that took total pay to more than $20 million, according to compensation specialists Equilar.

'How can a poor man stand such times and live.'

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:45:22am

re: #219 Obdicut

Her attorney has stated flatly that it was a settlement, and not a severance package. So no, you're wrong.

Or are you saying the lawyer is lying?

And are you just going to keep dodging around answering what it is you know 'exactly' that Cain is guilty of?

He was going to try to start the Bill Clinton's Sins tangent.

Now, it's not that you can't stay up all night playing Bill Clinton's Sins. It's a fun and scary game for everyone.

But without the lead-in, and waters-muddying attempt, it's harder for Buck to say flat-out what he thinks.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:46:44am

re: #223 zora

i believe that the perry people may have dug it up, but it is not their fault that he has to answer for his past behavior. there is really no reason he wasn't prepared for this.

Oh, no, I think the story is legit. I just think it wouldn't have come to light, except the opposition was out there with a fine-toothed comb.

And he really should have been prepared. Are they NEVER prepared, or do smarter men realize "Hey, if I run for office, this will come up, I will do something else."?

228 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:47:36am

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, no, I think the story is legit. I just think it wouldn't have come to light, except the opposition was out there with a fine-toothed comb.

And he really should have been prepared. Are they NEVER prepared, or do smarter men realize "Hey, if I run for office, this will come up, I will do something else."?

You know, when my kids do that (I point out that they aren't doing their math homework, and they start telling me everything their brothers haven't done), I don't buy it.

229 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:47:44am

"Woman A" now has a name.

Karen Kraushaar. Registered Republican, and currently Communications Director for the US Treasury Department.

Earlier Cain Accuser Is Republican, Longtime Government Employee

Until now, Karen Kraushaar has been known to many in Washington as "Woman A," one of two employees who settled claims of sexual harassment against Herman Cain more than a decade ago when he headed the National Restaurant Association.

On Tuesday, after another woman went public with her harassment accusation against Cain, Kraushaar's identity was revealed by an iPad news site, The Daily.

Kraushaar has confirmed to NPR that she is one of the first two women, but declined to say more about the incident, beyond an anonymous statement her lawyer issued last week.

Kraushaar, 55, a career federal employee and registered Republican, currently works as a communications director at the U.S. Treasury Department.

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:48:02am

I have to go out and get quarters, or I will have to wear grubby jeans to my meeting this afternoon.

Back in a bit.

231 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:48:12am

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, no, I think the story is legit. I just think it wouldn't have come to light, except the opposition was out there with a fine-toothed comb.

And he really should have been prepared. Are they NEVER prepared, or do smarter men realize "Hey, if I run for office, this will come up, I will do something else."?

Palin has been smart enough to keep far enough out of the fray to come under some of the official scrutiny that being a true candidate would involve.

232 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:48:41am

re: #203 Buck

you are in denial. you have more excuses for cain than he has for himself.

233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:50:02am

re: #213 Renaissance_Man

Not even a week ago, Buck was laughing at Ann Coulter's supposed "joke" about "their blacks".

I didn't hear her say that Obama wasn't Black. Only that Cain was Blacker.

Like I said, I can't watch the video on the post. If it refers to to what she said on Red Eye, then it was a joke about "our" blacks are better than theirs. And in the context of what was being discussed at the time was that Democrats were acting superior on this subject. She was making fun of that attitude.

I sure would like to know how they plan to cast their Best and Blackest Black, Ever as any better than anyone else, these days.

Dumb tools.

234 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:50:52am

re: #212 Buck

and you don't know if cain is a lecherous prick but you'll keep defending him anyway.

235 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:52:20am

re: #233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


"...Best and Blackest Black..."
I'm keeping this one. LOL

236 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:54:43am

re: #141 Buck

He has, you just don't accept it. He says it never happened. How much more of a story can he tell?

He also said he didn't know about any payoff for the sexual advances during the NRA stuff, then he remembered that there was but no more details, then he remembered that he was just showing the person how tall his wife was, then ...

So forgive me if I don't believe the "it never happened" BS.

237 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:58:28am

In other news, the primary for David Wu's seat is today.

It's just the primary, and we pretty much know who's going to win both parties.

238 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:01:40am

Be back in awhile.
Gotta go vote against issue 2 in.
I wish we were doing a recall vote against Kasich, but I'll take what I can get.

239 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:02:01am

Well, this sucks:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Federal investigators said Tuesday they uncovered “gross mismanagement” at the Dover Air Force Base mortuary that cares for America’s war dead after whistleblowers reported horror stories of lost body parts, shoddy inventory controls and lax supervision.

The former mortuary commander and two other senior officials have been disciplined — but not fired — in response to separate investigations conducted by the Air Force Inspector General, the Secretary of the Air Force and the Office of Special Counsel, an independent federal agency that also received the whistleblower complaints.

240 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:02:27am

re: #238 OhNoZombies!

re: #238 OhNoZombies!

Be back in awhile.
Gotta go vote against issue 2 in.
I wish we were doing a recall vote against Kasich, but I'll take what I can get.

in Ohio

241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:02:29am

re: #229 RadicalModerate

"Woman A" now has a name.

Karen Kraushaar. Registered Republican, and currently Communications Director for the US Treasury Department.

Earlier Cain Accuser Is Republican, Longtime Government Employee

"On Tuesday, after another woman went public with her harassment accusation against Cain, Kraushaar's identity was revealed by an iPad news site, The Daily."

How interesting. The Daily is Uncle Rupert.

242 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:03:34am

Buck,

I see that everyone else has already jumped on you for your statements, but I'll give you one more shot here.

Cain has now been accused of at least sexual harassment (and potentially sexual assault by Bialik) by five women at last count. Each of those allegations by themselves is insufficient to find that Cain carried out sexual harassment, but each successive woman that comes forward gives a similar account of what Cain did. That substantiates each prior account and gives more weight to the allegations as a whole.

Add to that the fact that Cain at first denied anything happened when the first allegation came to light; then walked back pretty much everything he said to that point. There were settlements. There was something that possibly happened; but he says it wasn't harassment. The 5 figure settlement equal to a year's salary suggests something quite different. That substantiates the allegations and undermines Cain's credibility.

As each woman comes forward, the substantiation of the allegations goes up and Cain's credibility plummets. They are directly related to each other. Surely, you can see that. Cain's credibility is hanging on by a thread here - and his damage control to deal with this is poor at best.

But as for my mention of Tiger Woods, recall that when the allegations of him cheating first arose, he first denied, and then the total number became so many that he couldn't avoid the truth any longer and had to admit to all those events. Cain is now in that same kind of attempt at damage control, and like Woods, he's failing miserably.

Note too that Cain has been married since 1968, which means that this harassment and potential acts occurred while married; Woods was married when he was carrying out his affairs/flings. That's a similarity between cases.

The primary difference is that Woods was engaging in consensual acts with the women he was with, while Cain was engaging in sexual harassment. That's a huge difference.

243 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:05:16am

People finally seem to be grasping the obvious.

“Q: Do you think the Republicans are intentionally stalling efforts to jumpstart the economy to insure that Barack Obama is not reelected or not?”

Yes: 50
No: 41
Unsure: 10

This is the third poll to reflect a similar opinion.

244 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:06:33am

re: #65 Obdicut

Why do you say that it's substantiated that she gave him a hug?

I found the link to the story I read about the "Hug".

It was reported by the Chicago Sun Times

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

245 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:06:55am

re: #203 Buck

He never denied that there were harassment cases. He said he didn't know about settlements related to them.

Yeah, he heard someone was accusing him of something that had potential to drag him into court, but he just let it go. Never thinking of it again. Never caring how things turned out. If he is that incurious I don't want the waste anywhere near the control room for nukes.

Or he just lying.

246 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:07:57am

re: #244 Buck

Jesus christ, Buck, I linked to the commentary on that interview. We just had a discussion about how you consider one person saying something happened as it being 'substantiated'. Remember?

Now you're pretending we're at the start of that conversation? Seriously weird.

247 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:08:05am

re: #244 Buck

I found the link to the story I read about the "Hug".

It was reported by the Chicago Sun Times

[Link: www.suntimes.com...] she wanted it

What's Herman Cain guilty of, Buck.

You know him so well, do tell.

248 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:09:49am

re: #246 Obdicut

Jesus christ, Buck, I linked to the commentary on that interview. We just had a discussion about how you consider one person saying something happened as it being 'substantiated'. Remember?

Now you're pretending we're at the start of that conversation? Seriously weird.

He ran out of talking points and went back to the top of the list.

249 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:10:42am

re: #248 makeitstop

He ran out of talking points and went back to the top of the list.

Moebius Buck.

250 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:11:05am

OT:

The career flashing light is on for Joe Paterno. An ignominious end at that. After cancelling the regularly scheduled presser, Penn State is apparently working on how to send Paterno into retirement.

Paterno could be done as the football coach perhaps within days or weeks, the newspaper reported. He certainly will not return as coach next year, the newspaper reported.

A high-ranking Penn State official also says support for Paterno is eroding among the school's board of trustees.

The person spoke to The Associated Press on Tuesday on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic. The person is familiar with the trustees' discussions but says it's unclear what the consequences for Paterno will be.

The person says a decision could be at hand before the board meets Friday.

Meanwhile, Scott Paterno is telling reporters that his father has had no talks with Penn State officials or trustees about stepping down. He told reporters outside his father's house Tuesday that Joe Paterno plans to not only coach in Saturday's game against Nebraska, but for the long haul.

Earlier Tuesday, Penn State's president abruptly canceled Paterno's weekly news conference amid increasing calls for both men to resign in the wake of a former assistant coach's sex-abuse scandal and as another potential victim came forward.

Whether he is fired or resigns, he's as good as gone and wont be back next year. Rightfully so too, I might add considering what he and others at the school knew or had reason to know about Sandusky.

251 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:11:52am

re: #246 Obdicut

Jesus christ, Buck, I linked to the commentary on that interview. We just had a discussion about how you consider one person saying something happened as it being 'substantiated'. Remember?

Now you're pretending we're at the start of that conversation? Seriously weird.

Your link didn't mention a hug. I was very curious where I got the word hug from. It looked to many that I made it up.

I was trying to find it.

Yes one person can substantiate a story... much better than zero people.

252 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:12:57am

re: #251 Buck

So what about four women all making claims of sexual harassment and/or assault?

253 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:13:20am

re: #225 jaunte

'How can a poor man stand such times and live.'

254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:13:36am

re: #241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How interesting. The Daily is Uncle Rupert.

Actual article from The Daily blog site

[Link: blog.thedaily.com...]

Robert Stacy McKlan is going to be very VERY unhappy.

255 erik_t  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:15:38am

re: #250 lawhawk

A truly nauseating story on every level. Makes me want to go for a long lonely hike this Saturday rather than flipping on the tube.

256 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:15:43am

Rush Limbaugh Thinks Sharon Bialek's Son Will Make A Great Future Brown Shirt For Obama

257 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:15:52am

re: #252 Obdicut

So what about four women all making claims of sexual harassment and/or assault?

Hell, thats even enough for a Sharia court to take a woman seriously!
/

258 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:16:33am

re: #245 RayFerd

Yeah, he heard someone was accusing him of something that had potential to drag him into court, but he just let it go. Never thinking of it again. Never caring how things turned out. If he is that incurious I don't want the waste anywhere near the control room for nukes.

Or he just lying.

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over. Also the settlement happened AFTER he left his job at the NRA.

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour. You have no idea what the earlier claims were. They could be anything.

259 Olsonist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:17:03am

re: #252 Obdicut

So what about four women all making claims of sexual harassment and/or assault?

And the NRA agreeing and paying large settlements.

260 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:17:25am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless,

Can you back that claim up, Buck?

261 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:18:10am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over.

Link, please.

262 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:18:42am

re: #258 Buck

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour.

You lying idiot.

263 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:19:05am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over. Also the settlement happened AFTER he left his job at the NRA.

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour. You have no idea what the earlier claims were. They could be anything.

Uh-huh.

So if a woman said Obama or Bill Clinton arranged the same kind of meeting you'd have the same response. Right?

264 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:19:42am

re: #255 erik_t

I've just gotten a new camera lens to play with and figure out how to use to my advantage - an 800mm mirror lens. With my Rebel, that's 1280mm lens to work with for a song. Figure I'll use it for some wildlife shots, since my long telezoom lens is a 28-300 that only gives me to 472mm with the multiplier effect.

It's going to come in handy on my next trip, that's for sure.

265 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:21:21am

re: #256 000G

Rush Limbaugh Thinks Sharon Bialek's Son Will Make A Great Future Brown Shirt For Obama

Rush Limbaugh is a sickening excuse of a human being.

266 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:22:46am

re: #264 lawhawk

Hi all
'hawk- where did you buy the lens? I have been thinking of acquiring one that size for my eos rebel, as well.

267 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:23:34am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over. Also the settlement happened AFTER he left his job at the NRA.

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour. You have no idea what the earlier claims were. They could be anything.

can you substantiate whether or not the NRA made an actual judgement that the claims were "baseless"? as far as i know the NRA hasn't said anything one way or another about the validity of accusations, and a settlement by itself is more likely to indicate that the accusations were judged to be plausible than otherwise

268 JAFO  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:24:06am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over. Also the settlement happened AFTER he left his job at the NRA.

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour. You have no idea what the earlier claims were. They could be anything.

Funny, he knew about the settlement in 2003.

269 Olsonist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:24:51am

re: #258 Buck
Cain denied even knowing about the settlements.

"If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn’t even aware of it and I hope it wasn’t for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association."

So how could he have been told they were baseless?

270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:25:57am

re: #269 Olsonist

Buck is so full of shit.

271 JAFO  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:26:10am
272 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:26:47am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over. Also the settlement happened AFTER he left his job at the NRA.

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour. You have no idea what the earlier claims were. They could be anything.

The NRA judged the claims to be baseless? Missed this part. Can you link? It seems odd that they would pay over baseless claims.

273 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:27:35am

Cameraman films police.

Is shot with a rubber bullet.

No rocks were thrown. He was not being violent.

Looks completely unprovoked to me.

274 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:27:39am

re: #258 Buck

Good grief, Buck. Even you can't manage to believe that tripe?

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:28:24am

re: #268 mracb

Funny, he knew about the settlement in 2003.

His memory sort of blinks in and out. If you were accused of sexual harassment, and your business association had to pay out a chunk of change over it, wouldn't that just fall out of your head half the time?

276 Firstinla  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:29:07am

I don't know why you folks continue to debate the Cain issue with Buck. Buck is not going to back down from his uncontested support of Cain because they are cut from the same cloth. There is no evidence that can be produced to change Buck's mind about anything. His talking points come directly from Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh's ilk. Why bother? It is just easier to skip over whatever Buck posts.

277 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:29:15am

re: #266 imp_62

B&H.

Your text to link:
[Link: www.bhphotovideo.com...]

278 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:29:37am

re: #276 Firstinla

I don't know why you folks continue to debate the Cain issue with Buck. Buck is not going to back down from his uncontested support of Cain because they are cut from the same cloth. There is no evidence that can be produced to change Buck's mind about anything. His talking points come directly from Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh's ilk. Why bother? It is just easier to skip over whatever Buck posts.

Entertainment value.

279 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:29:43am

re: #273 Obdicut

Cameraman films police.

[Link: youtu.be...]

Is shot with a rubber bullet.

No rocks were thrown. He was not being violent.

Looks completely unprovoked to me.

That's indefensible.

280 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:29:49am

re: #277 lawhawk

Thanks - just got the catalogue in the mail, too. Will have a look.

281 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:30:40am

re: #258 Buck

14 years ago he was told that the claims were judged (by the NRA) to be baseless, and that it was over. Also the settlement happened AFTER he left his job at the NRA.

Look, the newest accuser is saying that asking someone out for dinner is sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate behaviour. You have no idea what the earlier claims were. They could be anything.

They were close to the claims that the person that had the press conference claimed. Or does Hermie's claim (in defense of himself) carry more weight than the attorney for the claimant?

282 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:30:50am

re: #279 makeitstop

That's indefensible.

Having said that, someone will find a way to defend it.
//

283 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:30:55am

re: #276 Firstinla

I don't know why you folks continue to debate the Cain issue with Buck. Buck is not going to back down from his uncontested support of Cain because they are cut from the same cloth. There is no evidence that can be produced to change Buck's mind about anything. His talking points come directly from Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh's ilk. Why bother? It is just easier to skip over whatever Buck posts.

I like to read his comments because then I know what the cult media talking points are without ever having to seek them out.

284 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:31:42am

re: #279 makeitstop

That's indefensible.

Unprovoked attacks by police are subversive of the social contract. However, i don't believe everything I see on youtube as reflecting the whole story.

285 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:31:53am

opinion seems to be that cain might as likely hurt himself as help himself with this upcoming news conference

286 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:32:04am

re: #282 makeitstop

Having said that, someone will find a way to defend it.
//

Or put a laugh track to it.

287 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:32:06am

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

The NRA judged the claims to be baseless? Missed this part. Can you link? It seems odd that they would pay over baseless claims.

The whole "people get $35000 to shut up about baseless claims ALL THE TIME" thing that has been going around for the last week really pisses me off. I recently got terminated from my job only to have my former employer lie about the circumstances to the state department of employment security in order to get out of paying a higher insurance premium! There are certainly not a lot of year's salary payouts on the planet I live on.

288 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:32:31am

re: #277 lawhawk

B&H.

Your text to link:
[Link: www.bhphotovideo.com...]

B&H totally rocks!

289 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:33:17am

re: #287 bratwurst

The restaurant industry is not one noted for generous salaries, benefits or severance packages...

290 webevintage  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:33:26am

re: #256 000G

Rush Limbaugh Thinks Sharon Bialek's Son Will Make A Great Future Brown Shirt For Obama

Jesus.

Anything to make sure women think twice when it comes to sexual harassment or assault or even rape if it makes a conservative man look bad.

291 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:33:27am

re: #282 makeitstop

Having said that, someone will find a way to defend it.
//

Was it a hippy or someone from OWS?

//

292 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:33:53am

re: #291 wlewisiii

It's from Occupy Oakland.

293 Firstinla  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:34:22am

re: #278 EmmmieG

re: #283 Renaissance_Man

Good points. But I am too prone to pulling out the few hairs remaining on my head when I read bullshit like his. Besides, I'm certain Buck's sole purpose in posting on LGF is to see how many lizards he can frustrate.

294 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:35:04am

re: #287 bratwurst

The whole "people get $35000 to shut up about baseless claims ALL THE TIME" thing that has been going around for the last week really pisses me off. I recently got terminated from my job only to have my former employer lie about the circumstances to the state department of employment security in order to get out of paying a higher insurance premium! There are certainly not a lot of year's salary payouts on the planet I live on.

You got that right. I was caught up in a termination some years ago. In the course of negotiating the terms of my severance agreement, my lawyer said he had never seen an employer seem to hate an employee this much. Bottom line: Nobody parts with money voluntarily, especially not in settlement of a claim under adversarial circumstances.

295 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:35:42am

re: #292 Obdicut

It's from Occupy Oakland.

Ah. Then KT should be along shortly to say it was a good thing... :(

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:35:45am

re: #293 Firstinla

re: #283 Renaissance_Man

Good points. But I am too prone to pulling out the few hairs remaining on my head when I read bullshit like his. Besides, I'm certain Buck's sole purpose in posting on LGF is to see how many lizards he can frustrate.

But I still want to know what Buck thinks Herman Cain is guilty of. I didn't think that refusing to sidetrack to Clinton would derail him this badly.

297 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:35:53am

re: #291 wlewisiii

Was it a hippy or someone from OWS?

//

You know what grows on oak trees don't ya?

Acorns.

//

298 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:36:07am

re: #291 wlewisiii

Was it a hippy or someone from OWS?

//

Both, apparently.

Maybe he pooped in the street before making the video.
//

299 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:36:39am

re: #256 000G

Rush Limbaugh Thinks Sharon Bialek's Son Will Make A Great Future Brown Shirt For Obama

[Video]

I know I shouldn't be surprised to hear that idiot spouting misogyny...but WOW, the 10 minutes I heard shortly before the end of his first hour today was over the top even by his standards. I cannot fathom being a woman and a fan of his, you would have to have some kind of mental illness.

300 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:38:09am

re: #299 bratwurst

I know I shouldn't be surprised to hear that idiot spouting misogyny...but WOW, the 10 minutes I heard shortly before the end of his first hour today was over the top even by his standards. I cannot fathom being a woman and a fan of his, you would have to have some kind of mental illness.

Really, though - listening to Limbaugh and subsequently expressing surprise and outrage at his blathering is like getting on a roller coaster and being astonished at the subsequent nausea.

301 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:39:32am

re: #276 Firstinla

I don't know why you folks continue to debate the Cain issue with Buck. Buck is not going to back down from his uncontested support of Cain because they are cut from the same cloth. There is no evidence that can be produced to change Buck's mind about anything. His talking points come directly from Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh's ilk. Why bother? It is just easier to skip over whatever Buck posts.

FTFY.

I'm down to flinging invective and downdings.

Hey, that reminds me....

302 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:40:34am

I actually enjoyed listening to Rush 20 years ago, when he was still entertaining. He has been a train wreck for the last 10 years, though. He should have retired when his hillbilly heroin addiction was revealed.

303 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:41:38am

Apple cracking down on attempts to unionize:

[Link: gawker.com...]

304 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:42:14am

re: #301 wrenchwench

FTFY.

I'm down to flinging invective and downdings.

Hey, that reminds me...

But if we didn't have Buck, who would we fight with? And what would we argue about? I mean, I don't mind debating slow cooker recipes and the relative merits of hot pastrami vs. corned beef, but think back a few years and this place has become a lot less adversarial ;)

305 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:42:30am

re: #303 Obdicut

Apple cracking down on attempts to unionize:

[Link: gawker.com...]

No surprise.

306 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:43:02am

re: #304 imp_62

No it hasn't, you asshole.

/

307 sagehen  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:43:09am

re: #237 EmmmieG

In other news, the primary for David Wu's seat is today.

It's just the primary, and we pretty much know who's going to win both parties.

Election day here in NYC is dull dull dull. There's a superior court judge spot, and a civil court judge spot, and that's it. Oh, and all the candidates are Dems. None of whom I've ever heard of (so I voted for the ones with seemingly female names.)

308 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:43:17am

re: #304 imp_62

But if we didn't have Buck, who would we fight with? And what would we argue about? I mean, I don't mind debating slow cooker recipes and the relative merits of hot pastrami vs. corned beef, but think back a fe years an this place has become a lot less adversarial ;)

There's always OWS. It seems to be the fallback subject for bickering when Buck's not around.

309 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:43:51am

re: #293 Firstinla

re: #283 Renaissance_Man

Good points. But I am too prone to pulling out the few hairs remaining on my head when I read bullshit like his. Besides, I'm certain Buck's sole purpose in posting on LGF is to see how many lizards he can frustrate.

I imagine that downdings make him do this.

310 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:44:08am

re: #301 wrenchwench

FTFY.

I'm down to flinging invective and downdings.

Hey, that reminds me...

Maybe someone can write a script for that.
/

311 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:44:23am

re: #306 Obdicut

No it hasn't, you asshole.

/

Just cuz you are in the mustard and corned beef camp and I am a proponent of the one truth: mayo and lean pastrami. Fool!
/

312 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:44:38am

re: #304 imp_62

But if we didn't have Buck, who would we fight with? And what would we argue about? I mean, I don't mind debating slow cooker recipes and the relative merits of hot pastrami vs. corned beef, but think back a fe years an this place has become a lot less adversarial ;)

Did you see my backhanded compliment above? Wait, that's not a backhanded compliment. It's a backhanded insult.

313 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:46:28am

re: #312 wrenchwench

Did you see my backhanded compliment above? Wait, that's not a backhanded compliment. It's a backhanded insult.

Actually I just got here. And I have been really lazy about being in the comments recently. But I missed you guys ;p

314 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:46:31am

re: #307 sagehen

Election day here in NYC is dull dull dull. There's a superior court judge spot, and a civil court judge spot, and that's it. Oh, and all the candidates are Dems. None of whom I've ever heard of (so I voted for the ones with seemingly female names.)

Well, our congressional primary is dull dull dull. We already know who's going to win. (And it's not the democrat who tried to tell the other democrats not to run. Nice try.)

315 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:47:25am

re: #308 makeitstop

And my luck that Ben of Ben and Jerry's was there yesterday, and I missed it.

Damnit!!!

316 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:47:50am

In fact, I would like a show of hands: Who believes that cold cuts deserve Hellmann's, and who believes in mustard only? I am in the Hellmann's camp, solidly.

317 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:48:33am

re: #311 imp_62

Just cuz you are in the mustard and corned beef camp and I am a proponent of the one truth: mayo and lean pastrami. Fool!
/

That's blasphemy - particularly the mayo with pastrami. Everyone knows that it's mustard and pastrami (and forget the lean part - since you need the fat for taste).

And no, I'm not kidding.

318 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:48:59am

re: #311 imp_62

Just cuz you are in the mustard and corned beef camp and I am a proponent of the one truth: mayo and lean pastrami. Fool!
/

Pineapple on pizza.

319 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50:09am

re: #317 lawhawk

That's blasphemy - particularly the mayo with pastrami. Everyone knows that it's mustard and pastrami (and forget the lean part - since you need the fat for taste).

And no, I'm not kidding.

I say this with nothing but love and admiration: you're a polack.

320 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50:19am

re: #316 imp_62

In fact, I would like a show of hands: Who believes that cold cuts deserve Hellmann's, and who believes in mustard only? I am in the Hellmann's camp, solidly.

sliced ham, turkey or chicken breast = mayo

sliced beef or sausage = mustard

321 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50:37am

re: #318 Sergey Romanov

Pineapple on pizza.

Hot dogs with no mustard.

(Sometimes I think my husband regrets marrying me, like when I fail to put mustard on my hot dog.)

322 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50:39am

re: #318 Sergey Romanov

Pineapple on pizza.

I will be asking Charles to ban you. Good day, sir.

323 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:50:54am

re: #306 Obdicut

No it hasn't, you asshole.

/

Got a link for that?

324 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:51:14am

re: #316 imp_62

In fact, I would like a show of hands: Who believes that cold cuts deserve Hellmann's, and who believes in mustard only? I am in the Hellmann's camp, solidly.

Subject to whim and/or availability.

I'm good with mayo or mustard on a lot of things and regularly switch things up.

325 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:51:22am

re: #316 imp_62

In fact, I would like a show of hands: Who believes that cold cuts deserve Hellmann's, and who believes in mustard only? I am in the Hellmann's camp, solidly.

You Jewicidal self-hating JINO!1!

326 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:51:34am

re: #313 imp_62

Actually I just got here. And I have been really lazy about being in the comments recently. But I missed you guys ;p

Yeah, that's why I linked it. I saw you come in.

re: #316 imp_62

In fact, I would like a show of hands: Who believes that cold cuts deserve Hellmann's, and who believes in mustard only? I am in the Hellmann's camp, solidly.

We don't even have Hellmann's here.

Hellmann's and Best Foods are brand names that are used for the same line of mayonnaise and other food products. The Hellmann's brand is sold in the United States east of the Rocky Mountains, and also in Latin America, Europe, Middle East and Canada. The Best Foods brand is sold in the United States west of the Rockies, and also in Asia, Australia, and New Zealand.

327 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:51:56am

re: #321 EmmmieG

Hot dogs with no mustard.

(Sometimes I think my husband regrets marrying me, like when I fail to put mustard on my hot dog.)

Spicy meets like lamb sausage get mustard. Any cold sliced meat gets mayo.

328 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:52:14am

re: #315 lawhawk

And my luck that Ben of Ben and Jerry's was there yesterday, and I missed it.

Damnit!!!

Well, formerly of Ben & Jerry's. They sold the company to Unilever about 10 years ago. Which I only know because we ran into them one day years ago while they were advertising some sort of supposedly environmentally friendly cleaner or something outside of Faneuil Hall. It was kind of weird, thinking about.

329 webevintage  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:52:30am

re: #318 Sergey Romanov

Pineapple on pizza.

Them's fightin' words...

330 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:52:34am

re: #324 makeitstop

Subject to whim and/or availability.

I'm good with mayo or mustard on a lot of things and regularly switch things up.

..in bed.

331 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:52:34am

re: #327 imp_62

Spicy meets like lamb sausage get mustard. Any cold sliced meat gets mayo.

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

332 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:53:07am

re: #331 EmmmieG

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

I KEEL YOU!

333 webevintage  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:53:47am

re: #331 EmmmieG

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

Me too.
(DON'T JUDGE ME PEOPLE)

my husband sees it as a moral failing....

334 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:53:47am

re: #326 wrenchwench

Yeah, that's why I linked it. I saw you come in.

re: #316 imp_62

We don't even have Hellmann's here.

Thomy mayo in a tube?

335 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:54:35am

re: #331 EmmmieG

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

I put ketchup, mustard, relish, and sometimes even mayo on mine. Gotta get my vegetables.

336 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:54:54am

re: #276 Firstinla

I don't know why you folks continue to debate the Cain issue with Buck. Buck is not going to back down from his uncontested support of Cain because they are cut from the same cloth. There is no evidence that can be produced to change Buck's mind about anything. His talking points come directly from Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh's ilk. Why bother? It is just easier to skip over whatever Buck posts.

From my corner, it's not really a debate or an attempt to change his mind -- who cares what conservatives like that think about anything; they just repeat what they are told because what they are told reinforces their personal delusions.

If others wish to debate them, that's cool, but afaic, their posts are only good for ridicule and scorn.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:55:54am

re: #331 EmmmieG

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

Is that supposed to be wrong?

338 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:56:04am

re: #336 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

From my corner, it's not really a debate or an attempt to change his mind -- who cares what conservatives like that think about anything; they just repeat what they are told because what they are told reinforces their personal delusions.

If others wish to debate them, that's cool, but afaic, their posts are only good for ridicule and scorn.

I don't consider Buck a true conservative. He is somewhere off to the reactionary right of that, on most things.

339 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:56:50am

re: #337 Sergey Romanov

Is that supposed to be wrong?

For some people, it is a sin.

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:57:16am

re: #339 EmmmieG

For some people, it is a sin.

So much more the fun!/

341 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:57:27am

re: #334 imp_62

Thomy mayo in a tube?

¿Que?

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:06am

(Now, pineapple on a hot dog would be a perversion on the "tubgirl" scale [don't google])

343 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:23am

re: #335 wrenchwench

I put ketchup, mustard, relish, and sometimes even mayo on mine. Gotta get my vegetables.

Danes are fond of mayo, raw cucumber slices and deep-fried onion bits on their hot dogs.

344 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:27am

re: #338 imp_62

I don't consider Buck a true conservative. He is somewhere off to the reactionary right of that, on most things.

Tbh, I generally don't accept "true" arguments, e.g. Herman Cain is a True Negro, while the rest of us are simply imitations.

Buck is a very typical delusional white conservative bigot, afaic. I've met more, online and off, mostly off, who are far more reactionary than him.

345 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:50am

re: #304 imp_62

But if we didn't have Buck, who would we fight with? And what would we argue about? I mean, I don't mind debating slow cooker recipes and the relative merits of hot pastrami vs. corned beef, but think back a few years and this place has become a lot less adversarial ;)

that's not fair!!! i have no way of getting a hot pastrami sandwich right now...

346 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:58am

re: #342 Sergey Romanov

(Now, pineapple on a hot dog would be a perversion on the "tubgirl" scale [don't google])

now i have to.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:58am

I'm intrigued by McCain's take on this:

Nevertheless I do not hesitate to say that if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be destroyed, no mortal power can save Cain. Yet if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be preserved and uplifted, no mortal power can destroy Cain.

Since, if this is your belief, this holds true for all of us, all the time, it seems a singularly pointless response.

God preserved and uplifted King David, who did a lot worse than Herman Cain's been accused of. This does not speak to guilt or innocence, even to worthiness.

McCain does not appear to have this detachment in most situations.

What on earth is the point of that statement?

348 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:58:59am

re: #341 wrenchwench

¿Que?

Best mayonnaise, period

349 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:59:08am

there are three ways to eat a hot dog...
with mustard
with mustard and onions
with mustard, onions and chile
case closed

350 recusancy  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:59:42am

re: #346 zora

now i have to.

don't. seriously.

351 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:59:45am

re: #346 zora

now i have to.

So my evil plan worked?

352 neilk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:00:21pm

With avocado, tomatoes and mayo

353 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:00:32pm

re: #346 zora

now i have to.

Don't do it. Srsly.

354 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:00:41pm

re: #337 Sergey Romanov

re: #331 EmmmieG

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

Is that supposed to be wrong?

I consider it standard, but you know, you grow, leave home, and find out there's all kinds of people in the world.

355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:00:41pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm intrigued by McCain's take on this:

Nevertheless I do not hesitate to say that if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be destroyed, no mortal power can save Cain. Yet if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be preserved and uplifted, no mortal power can destroy Cain.

Since, if this is your belief, this holds true for all of us, all the time, it seems a singularly pointless response.

God preserved and uplifted King David, who did a lot worse than Herman Cain's been accused of. This does not speak to guilt or innocence, even to worthiness.

McCain does not appear to have this detachment in most situations.

What on earth is the point of that statement?

Ubercalvinist sociopathy.

356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:00:54pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm intrigued by McCain's take on this:

Nevertheless I do not hesitate to say that if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be destroyed, no mortal power can save Cain. Yet if it pleases God that Herman Cain should be preserved and uplifted, no mortal power can destroy Cain.

Since, if this is your belief, this holds true for all of us, all the time, it seems a singularly pointless response.

God preserved and uplifted King David, who did a lot worse than Herman Cain's been accused of. This does not speak to guilt or innocence, even to worthiness.

McCain does not appear to have this detachment in most situations.

What on earth is the point of that statement?

He's speaking to his religious followers.

357 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:01:03pm

re: #346 zora

now i have to.

glad i just checked the urban dictionary. the photo would have stained my brain forever.

358 recusancy  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:01:48pm

re: #357 zora

glad i just checked the urban dictionary. the photo would have stained my brain forever.

that's an unfortunate metaphor you used there.

359 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:02:07pm

re: #348 imp_62

Best mayonnaise, period

I might mistake it for toothpaste.

Looks good though, 'cause it looks foreign and exotic.

360 sagehen  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:03:35pm

re: #315 lawhawk

And my luck that Ben of Ben and Jerry's was there yesterday, and I missed it.

Damnit!!!

Unless he brought free samples, I'm sadder that I missed the day Kanye West and Russell Simmons stopped by.

361 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:04:46pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

Looks good though, 'cause it looks foreign and exotic.

That kind of thinking can get you in a LOT of trouble... gastrointestinal and worse :)

362 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:05:32pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

I might mistake it for toothpaste.

Looks good though, 'cause it looks foreign and exotic.

Europeans are big on food in tubes: mayo, mustard, horseradish, remoulade, salmon roe paste, etc...

If you have roomates who constantly use your toothpaste, leaving a tube of one of those in the bathroom would get them off it in a big hurry...

363 sagehen  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:05:55pm

re: #316 imp_62

In fact, I would like a show of hands: Who believes that cold cuts deserve Hellmann's, and who believes in mustard only? I am in the Hellmann's camp, solidly.

Jews don't eat mayonaisse. Even those of us who would never keep kosher, who only go to shul for weddings... it'd be an insult to our ancestors, like jello with little marshmallows in it.

364 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:06:02pm

re: #344 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You are correct. I should have written that I don't consider him conservative, simply reactionary.

365 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:06:26pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

I might mistake it for toothpaste.

Looks good though, 'cause it looks foreign and exotic.

came in late to a hotel room...staggered to the sink, fumbled around in my kit, and preceded to brush my teeth with hydrocortizone...my butt ointment

366 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:06:44pm

re: #363 sagehen

Jews don't eat mayonaisse. Even those of us who would never keep kosher, who only go to shul for weddings... it'd be an insult to our ancestors, like jello with little marshmallows in it.

Ah, but that is where you are wrong! The true "yecke" (German Jew) eats mayo with his cold meats.

367 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:06:50pm

Hey, it looks like this did the trick, for now.

368 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:07:22pm

re: #365 albusteve

came in late to a hotel room...staggered to the sink, fumbled around in my kit, and preceded to brush my teeth with hydrocortizone...my butt ointment

I do SO hope that is a true story!

369 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:07:50pm

re: #365 albusteve

came in late to a hotel room...staggered to the sink, fumbled around in my kit, and preceded to brush my teeth with hydrocortizone...my butt ointment

You win the TMI prize!

370 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:08:02pm

re: #367 wrenchwench

Hey, it looks like this did the trick, for now.

Do you have a degree in psychology?

371 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:09:00pm

re: #368 imp_62

I do SO hope that is a true story!

I swear it....I thought my wife tossed some new sort of toothpaste in there for me....had to wipe it outa my mouth with a washcloth

372 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:09:11pm

re: #362 ralphieboy

Europeans are big on food in tubes: mayo, mustard, horseradish, remoulade, salmon roe paste, etc...

If you have roomates who constantly use your toothpaste, leaving a tube of one of those in the bathroom would get them off it in a big hurry...

When I moved to the US, I had a real problem with mayo, mustard etc. in jars. It seems so unhygienic.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:09:18pm

re: #366 imp_62

Ah, but that is where you are wrong! The true "yecke" (German Jew) eats mayo with his cold meats.

Yes, but yekies are psychotic.

///

374 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:09:28pm

re: #366 imp_62

Ah, but that is where you are wrong! The true "yecke" (German Jew) eats mayo with his cold meats.

Mayo on gefilte fish is something that I learned in Israel.

376 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:09:55pm

re: #370 imp_62

Do you have a degree in psychology?

Sociology. It's like psychology for groups of people.

377 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:10:15pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but yekies are psychotic.

///

True. But it only shows if we run out of mayo. And clean shirts.

378 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:10:45pm

re: #375 Gus 802

David Crosby and Graham Nash are to perform at Occupy Wall Street in Zuccotti Park.

I was sure at least one of those two is dead. Hmm.

379 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:11:21pm

re: #374 Alouette

Mayo on gefilte fish is something that I learned in Israel.

Admit you like it! I do it and it skeeves out my in-laws.

380 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:11:42pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

Sociology. It's like psychology for groups of people.

I only deal with psychohistory.

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:11:44pm

re: #331 EmmmieG

Brace yourself. I put ketchup on my hot dogs.

So? That's the only thing that belongs on hot dogs.

Now brats or other real sausages need kraut or relish but not hot dogs.

382 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:11:59pm

re: #378 imp_62

I was sure at least one of those two is dead. Hmm.

musically dead

383 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:12:39pm

re: #382 albusteve

musically dead

Whereas "Le Noise" by Neil Young is a really good album.

384 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:12:42pm

re: #378 imp_62

I was sure at least one of those two is dead. Hmm.

Nope. They're all still alive.

They're playing now.

[Link: yfrog.com...]

385 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:05pm

re: #382 albusteve

musically dead

Whatever. Don't be a dick.

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:12pm

re: #374 Alouette

Mayo on gefilte fish is something that I learned in Israel.

How do you make a Litvak cry? Say "Mayo on gefilte fish is something that I learned in Israel."

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:13pm

re: #96 Buck

That works two ways. There is a man who's life is about to be ruined by allegations and rumours. Don't you think there should be some kind of backup?

"ruined"

Oh poor baby! he doesn't get to be president!

You gotta be kidding me :D

388 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:14pm

re: #378 imp_62

I was sure at least one of those two is dead. Hmm.

Would you believe David Cross and Graham Greene?

389 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:39pm

re: #383 imp_62

Whereas "Le Noise" by Neil Young is a really good album.

those two guys have not done anything in years....filthy rich, washed up and irrelevant

390 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:40pm

Old fart Baby Boomer always bitching and moaning.

391 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:13:45pm

re: #383 imp_62

Whereas "Le Noise" by Neil Young is a really good album.

Neil is savvy enough to keep moving musically. CSN, not so much.

392 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:14:02pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you make a Litvak cry? Say "Mayo on gefilte fish is something that I learned in Israel."

One of the moments that I wish I had more updings!

393 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:14:04pm

re: #378 imp_62

I was sure at least one of those two is dead. Hmm.

Pining for the fjords?

394 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:14:07pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you make a Litvak cry? Say "Mayo on gefilte fish is something that I learned in Israel."

All the Litvaks that I know cry all the time.

395 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:14:14pm

re: #385 Gus 802

Whatever. Don't be a dick.

why you callin me a dick?

396 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:14:27pm

re: #335 wrenchwench

Hot dogs with mustard and cole slaw.

And I'll put Russian dressing on my cold cuts too, but mayo on pastrami? That's a huge no-no. :)

397 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:14:56pm

How do you make a Litvak happy?

It's the Three Weeks!

398 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:15:22pm

re: #381 wlewisiii

So? That's the only thing that belongs on hot dogs.

Now brats or other real sausages need kraut or relish but not hot dogs.

WRONG!

You forgot chili. Real chili with beans mind you. Not that godless abomination called "chili sauce".

399 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:15:33pm

re: #390 Gus 802

Old fart Baby Boomer always bitching and moaning.

post something interesting instead of this OWS crap again....LOL!

400 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:16:11pm

re: #396 lawhawk

Hot dogs with mustard and cole slaw.

And I'll put Russian dressing on my cold cuts too, but mayo on pastrami? That's a huge no-no. :)

Well, I will still treat you to Mr. Broadway next time I am in the City ;]

401 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:16:24pm

re: #395 albusteve

why you callin me a dick?

Yep.

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:17:02pm

re: #398 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WRONG!

You forgot chili. Real chili with beans mind you. Not that godless abomination called "chili sauce".

Ah, yes, good point on that.

403 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:17:10pm

So, popping in after getting home from work, but before heading to vote. Am I missing anything interesting?

404 Gus  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:17:47pm

Pajamarines!

LOL

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:17:54pm

re: #403 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nope.

406 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:18:10pm

re: #405 wlewisiii

Nope.

Oh, cool. Am I missing anything boring?

407 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:18:19pm

re: #403 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, popping in after getting home from work, but before heading to vote. Am I missing anything interesting?

We are arguing about condiments. IOW, I don't know if the answer to your question is "Yes", or "No".
:D

408 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:19:11pm

re: #402 wlewisiii

Ah, yes, good point on that.

I follow the simple reasoning that if you couldn't put it in a bowl and reasonably call it chili on its own, don't think you can put it on a hotdog and call it chili. Many a purveyor of so called chili dogs have rued the day because of this.

409 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:20:12pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I follow the simple reasoning that if you couldn't put it in a bowl and reasonably call it chili on its own, don't think you can put it on a hotdog and call it chili. Many a purveyor of so called chili dogs have rued the day because of this.

Which reminds of the old joke that ends with:
"You can shove the tomato up your ass! -
"Sorry, I already have a cucumber and a cabbage up there"

410 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:20:23pm

re: #407 imp_62

We are arguing about condiments. IOW, I don't know if the answer to your question is "Yes", or "No".
:D

Condiments? Eh, depends on the food.

411 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:20:43pm

re: #406 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Buck being, well, "Buck".

412 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:20:48pm

re: #410 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Condiments? Eh, depends on the food.

Cold cuts: Mayo or Mustard?

413 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:21:43pm

re: #412 imp_62

Cold cuts: Mayo or Mustard?

Yes.

414 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:22:24pm

re: #412 imp_62

Cold cuts: Mayo or Mustard?

Mayo usually, though I've been known to eat bologna with spicy mustard.

415 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:23:17pm

Full disclosure:

I have 4 different varieties of mayonnaise and at least 6 different varieties of mustard at the house.

416 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:23:18pm

re: #398 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WRONG!

You forgot chili. Real chili with beans mind you. Not that godless abomination called "chili sauce".

In New Mexico, it's spelled "chile" and it better not have beans in it. Meat and green chile.

417 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:23:28pm

re: #390 Gus 802

Old fart Baby Boomer always bitching and moaning.

He reminds me of the aging queen in Paris is Burning

418 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:23:36pm

Heh. Looks like Malkin is taking Santorum to task for his non-position re: Joe Paterno and the Penn State mess. A quantum of reason from Malkin, but the same-old from Santorum.

419 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:24:25pm

re: #414 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mayo usually, though I've been known to eat bologna with spicy mustard.

I like the taste of bologna but the nature of it unsettles my stomach a bit. Now liverwurst: there's a spreadable delight for you!

420 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:24:36pm

re: #416 wrenchwench

In New Mexico, it's spelled "chile" and it better not have beans in it. Meat and green chile.

true, Texas chile has the beef or sausage....for those that DIDN'T KNOW

421 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:27:29pm

re: #419 imp_62

I like the taste of bologna but the nature of it unsettles my stomach a bit. Now liverwurst: there's a spreadable delight for you!

Bologna with spicy mustard, a slice of swiss, and a some lettuce. Simple, yet satisfying when you're in a hurry.

422 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:27:31pm

re: #416 wrenchwench

In New Mexico, it's spelled "chile" and it better not have beans in it. Meat and green chile.

Also known as shite.

423 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:28:34pm

re: #421 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mortadella, bologna of supremeness.

424 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:28:59pm

Freepers Rend Clothing, Cover Selves With Ashes, Forego Eating Mayonnaise And Jello

Liberalism Has Crushed Human Nature

Perhaps ALL Republican presidential candidates, past and present, should step forward and voice anger at the way these character assassins, with the enthusiastic assistance of the media, have attacked one of them.

They should not claim that the accused is guiltless, because they don’t know. But they do know that he is being attacked by cowardly, mostly faceless persons about something that they claim happened so long ago that few of us could remember any details, much less find a witness to stand with us.

How will America ever find good people to run for public office after this?

sob!

425 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:28:59pm

Pastrami with melted pepperjack, garlic mustard, and wasabi mayonaisse on English Muffin bread, slightly toasted

426 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:28:59pm

re: #421 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bologna with spicy mustard, a slice of swiss, and a some lettuce. Simple, yet satisfying when you're in a hurry.

Not mixing meat and dairy, I cannot comment. My favourite quick sandwich: sliced swiss, avocado, salt and pepper.

427 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:29:01pm

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also known as shite.

you have not eaten well til you have some good green chile stew....that tomato based, bean crap is a Texas thing

428 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:30:12pm

Berlusconi Offers to Quit if Euro Reforms Are Passed

429 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:31:19pm

re: #427 albusteve

you have not eaten well til you have some good green chile stew...that tomato based, bean crap is a Texas thing

I'm part Italian. Tomato based is one of the cornerstones for my entire dietary regimen.

430 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:31:31pm

re: #428 lawhawk

Berlusconi Offers to Quit if Euro Reforms Are Passed

Berlusconi tells President he will resign following passage of "stability laws".

431 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:32:09pm

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also known as shite.

re: #427 albusteve

you have not eaten well til you have some good green chile stew...that tomato based, bean crap is a Texas thing

What he said, you owner of multiple mayos.

432 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:32:12pm

In Cincinnati they use "Greek Chili", no beans, lots of cinnamon and coriander to top their dogs.

433 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:32:23pm

re: #428 lawhawk

Berlusconi Offers to Quit if Euro Reforms Are Passed

U.S. stocks up as Berlusconi plans to quit

434 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:32:24pm

re: #428 lawhawk

Berlusconi Offers to Quit if Euro Reforms Are Passed

Good Riddance. Can we send him to find a place for Walker as well?

435 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:33:56pm

re: #429 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm part Italian. Tomato based is one of the cornerstones for my entire dietary regimen.

True story:
A while back I was suffering acid reflux. I went to the doctor, had a full workup, drank the barium, had the special contrast, etc. He wrote me a prescription for something, and gave me a list of foods I should avoid. Wine and tomatoes were featured. When I got home, my wife asked what the doctor had said. I told her he said I was fine. I threw away the list and the prescription.

436 garhighway  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:34:23pm

re: #433 Killgore Trout

U.S. stocks up as Berlusconi plans to quit

But hooker futures are down.

437 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:34:24pm

re: #346 zora

now i have to.

NOOOOO!!!

438 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:34:54pm

re: #434 wlewisiii

Good Riddance. Can we send him to find a place for Walker as well?

Probably could wangle an invite to the post-resignation bunga-bunga party.

439 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:35:50pm

re: #435 imp_62

acid reflux is not so much about the foods you eat but how you eat them

440 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:01pm

[Link: vestnikkavkaza.net...]

Famous Hollywood star, Jean Claude Van Damme arrived on Tuesday in the Chechen Republic, grozny-inform reports. The famous star attended a dinner organized by Ramzan Kadyrov in his honour, as well as a number of other events.

441 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:07pm

re: #7 darthstar

Amateur hour. He probably thinks he can change the narrative.

He's in for a shock, because he's never had control of the narrative to begin with.

Once the media picked up on this whole sordid episode(s), it's been like chum to the sharks...Cain is so screwed (and deservedly so, the arrogant, misogynistic SOB).

442 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:07pm

re: #357 zora

glad i just checked the urban dictionary. the photo would have stained my brain forever.

I was traumatized. If a lizard tells me not to google something, I now believe them.

443 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:10pm

re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I follow the simple reasoning that if you couldn't put it in a bowl and reasonably call it chili on its own, don't think you can put it on a hotdog and call it chili. Many a purveyor of so called chili dogs have rued the day because of this.

It's not a true Coney Island if there are beans in the chili sauce.

444 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:12pm

[Link: www.thedaily.com...]

‘SHE IS VERY RELIABLE’
Another Cain accuser only doing right thing, family and friends say

Karen Kraushaar, a 55-year-old former journalist and seasoned government spokeswoman who served on the front lines of the Elian Gonzalez custody battle, is a competitive equestrian and lover of golden retrievers. She has been married for more than two decades.

“She wouldn’t be the type to make false allegations,” brother-in-law Ned Kraushaar, a Georgia software consultant, told The Daily. “This happened [more than] 10 years ago. It’s not like she wanted to try and hurt the Republican Party.”

445 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:15pm

Occupiers terrorize us: eatery

A business owner near the Occupy Wall Street encampment claims she has been repeatedly harassed and threatened with bodily harm by protesters after she and her employees refused to give in to their outlandish demands.

“I’ve been told, ‘Watch your back!’ 10 times,” Stacey Tzortzatos, owner of Panini & Co. Breads, located across from Zuccotti Park, told The Post yesterday.

She and her employees are terrified by the constant threats, which she said began after she demanded the protesters stop using her shop’s restroom as a place to bathe every day.

The final straw came about two weeks ago, when the demonstrators broke a bathroom sink, flooding the shop, and clogged the toilet -- setting her back $3,000 in damages.

446 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:28pm

re: #424 engineer dog

Freepers Rend Clothing, Cover Selves With Ashes, Forego Eating Mayonnaise And Jello

Liberalism Has Crushed Human Nature

Perhaps ALL Republican presidential candidates, past and present, should step forward and voice anger at the way these character assassins, with the enthusiastic assistance of the media, have attacked one of them.

They should not claim that the accused is guiltless, because they don’t know. But they do know that he is being attacked by cowardly, mostly faceless persons about something that they claim happened so long ago that few of us could remember any details, much less find a witness to stand with us.

How will America ever find good people to run for public office after this?

sob!

Buck wrote that, didn't he?
/

447 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:36:40pm

green chile stew...
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]

448 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:37:14pm

re: #435 imp_62

True story:
A while back I was suffering acid reflux. I went to the doctor, had a full workup, drank the barium, had the special contrast, etc. He wrote me a prescription for something, and gave me a list of foods I should avoid. Wine and tomatoes were featured. When I got home, my wife asked what the doctor had said. I told her he said I was fine. I threw away the list and the prescription.

After my kidney stone, my doctor told me I needed to give up spicy foods. I sat down and told my kidneys to knock that shit off. They agreed and we haven't had a problem since then.

449 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:37:35pm

re: #432 ralphieboy

In Cincinnati they use "Greek Chili", no beans, lots of cinnamon and coriander to top their dogs.

Also in Detroit.

450 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:37:44pm

re: #440 Sergey Romanov

[Link: vestnikkavkaza.net...]

VAN DAMMIT!

451 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:38:17pm

re: #443 Alouette

It's not a true Coney Island if there are beans in the chili sauce.

of course not....Kragar is clueless
14 types of mayo?...please

452 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:38:36pm

re: #439 ralphieboy

acid reflux is not so much about the foods you eat but how you eat them

Yeah. I made some other adjustments, and have no issues with reflux. Now I am just fat and lazy.

453 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:39:48pm

re: #451 albusteve

of course not...Kragar is clueless
14 types of mayo?...please

Regular Mayo, Chipotle Mayo, Wasabi Mayo, and Olive Oil Mayo.

Just the 4 essentials.

454 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:40:04pm

re: #451 albusteve

of course not...Kragar is clueless
14 types of mayo?...please

Two of my sons are addicted to Miracle Whip. I have no idea how that happened.

455 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:40:11pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Occupiers terrorize us: eatery

the whole gig is getting really obnoxious at this point....bad shit all over the place, as if it's any surprise

456 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:40:33pm

re: #454 Alouette

Two of my sons are addicted to Miracle Whip. I have no idea how that happened.

You call yourself a Jewish Mother - a schande!
//

457 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:41:01pm

re: #454 Alouette

Two of my sons are addicted to Miracle Whip. I have no idea how that happened.

Miracle Whip is not mayo.

458 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:41:30pm

re: #455 albusteve

the whole gig is getting really obnoxious at this point...bad shit all over the place, as if it's any surprise

The usual and expected disconnect between noble thought and human execution.

459 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:42:30pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Blink. Blink. Blink.

Which witnesses? Who were they? Could they have been confused? Might they have been lying? Does every detail of their story line up? Even if it does, is it possible that the hug meant something different?

Buck, you're surreal. You're picking a single detail that works for your preferred narrative and calling it 'substantiated', while the mountain of accumulating evidence against your narrative is invisible to you.

The way I see it, it's all substantiated.

The hug doesn't prove that the woman is now lying. Quite the contrary, it shows that she isn't out to make this incident into a payday, that she isn't on a mission to destroy Cain, that she isn't obsessed and out for vengeance.

What does that leave? She's telling the simple truth. And Cain's responses are all too good a fit for this assessment. He's dancing, bobbing and weaving. It's the perfect opposite of Cardinal Joseph Bernadin's candid and convincing response to accusations that he'd molested a child. Bernadin held a press conference. He said he'd answer any question on any topic. The press grilled him. They asked him what his worst sin had been. He fessed up to gluttony, giving details of how he'd been taken with the trappings of office, the fine foods and wines, the works. And how he had eventually come to understand that his habit of and fondness for all that was, indeed, gluttony.

The conference went on for hours and little by little the mood in the room changed. There had never been such a press conference, and those putting the questions began to sense that they'd been hounding an innocent man.

Watch Cain's press conference. But don't wait for a repeat of Bernadin's.

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:42:39pm

re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Miracle Whip is not mayo.

Miracle Whip is not a food product.

461 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:42:59pm

You know, not to toot my own horn, but...
Is it possible that I have kicked off the first ever LGF thread on condiments?

462 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:43:08pm

re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Miracle Whip is not mayo.

Miracle Whip should be outlawed, and anybody caught using it locked up

463 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:43:40pm

re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Miracle Whip is not mayo.

Eggzactly.

464 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:44:08pm

Limbaugh On Cain Accusations: Political Correctness ‘Has Now Spread To Behavior — Not Just Speech’

“Political correctness, which is censorship, has now spread to behavior — not just speech. It’s spread to behavior.

“And sexual harassment now is a political weapon, and it’s anything anybody wants it to be. You don’t need a specific allegation. All you need is the appearance of impropriety, and that’s where this gets dicey, because with this roaring liberalism through our culture, what appears to be inappropriate, in the old days was nothing!”

Limbaugh then waxed nostalgic about the days when men could casually refer to women as “broads,” without being attacked for it.

He further bemoaned that “feminazis” have vilified men, making them presumed guilty upon being accused of offending a woman, and spread that ideology into journalism. He further said that people have become afraid to talk about what they really think, confiding only to a rare other person in private, lest their opinions give rise to attacks against them and their character, either from a woman or from any “pantywaist liberal.”

“I tell you, you women, why don’t you just make it official, put on some burqas?” he concluded. “And i’ll guaran-damn-tee you nobody’ll touch you. You put on a burqa, and everybody’ll leave you alone, if that’s what you want.”

Stay classy, Rush.

465 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:44:10pm

re: #463 b_sharp

Eggzactly.

This.

466 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:44:19pm

re: #458 imp_62

The usual and expected disconnect between noble thought and human execution.

agreed...anyway, imo, they should be storming the capitol....Wall Streets pimp

467 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:44:22pm

re: #447 albusteve

green chile stew...
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]

Mmmm. That looks delicious. I'll have to get some chiles from my dad who just brought back a freezer full after visiting my brother in New Mexico.

468 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:44:29pm

re: #461 imp_62

You know, not to toot my own horn, but...
Is it possible that I have kicked off the first ever LGF thread on condiments?

This is so going into the next cookbook.

469 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:45:09pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

Miracle Whip is not a food product.

It is too. It's a member of the edible oil family.

470 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:45:11pm

re: #440 Sergey Romanov

[Link: vestnikkavkaza.net...]

On 5 October 2011 he celebrated his 35th birthday in a lavish fashion in the presence of several Hollywood stars, including the actor Jean-Claude van Damme and the actress Hilary Swank as well as Lebanese pop Artist Rola Saad, British violinist Vanessa-Mae, singer Seal and many others[

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

why, seal? hillary swank later apologized for attending. does no one use the google.

471 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:45:12pm

re: #462 albusteve

Miracle Whip should be outlawed, and anybody caught using it locked up

Where did I go wrong? {whimper}

472 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:45:46pm

re: #466 albusteve

agreed...anyway, imo, they should be storming the capitol...Wall Streets pimp

Politicians do not pimp for Wall Street. Lobbyists pimp. Politicians are the courtesans. You need to pay attention in social studies class!

473 blueraven  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:46:06pm

Yikes...Berlusconi vows to resign next week.

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:46:16pm

re: #469 b_sharp

It is too. It's a member of the edible oil family.

They sell that in a variety of exotic flavors at Good Vibrations.

475 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:46:23pm

re: #455 albusteve

the whole gig is getting really obnoxious at this point...bad shit all over the place, as if it's any surprise

There's a lice outbreak in the Portland group.

476 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:46:23pm

re: #467 Sionainn

Mmmm. That looks delicious. I'll have to get some chiles from my dad who just brought back a freezer full after visiting my brother in New Mexico.

it is...once you have good chilis, the rest is a snap....usually pork, but can be chicken as well....try it

477 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:47:20pm

re: #476 albusteve

it is...once you have good chilis, the rest is a snap...usually pork, but can be chicken as well...try it

I bookmarked it. My only problem is going to be talking my dad into parting with some chiles.

478 blueraven  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:47:30pm

re: #473 blueraven

Yikes...Berlusconi vows to resign next week.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

479 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:47:48pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

They sell that in a variety of exotic flavors at Good Vibrations.

I know. My fav is Popped Cherry.

480 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:47:48pm

re: #477 Sionainn

I bookmarked it. My only problem is going to be talking my dad into parting with some chiles.

Invite him over for the stew?

481 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:48:08pm

re: #472 imp_62

Politicians do not pimp for Wall Street. Lobbyists pimp. Politicians are the courtesans. You need to pay attention in social studies class!

congress, K St....it's all the same breed of cat....WS is allowed to march along at our expense because congress sanctions them

482 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:48:20pm

re: #479 b_sharp

I know. My fav is Popped Cherry.

Wrong on levels that have sub-levels. O_o

483 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:48:37pm

re: #475 EmmmieG

There's a lice outbreak in the Portland group.

As long as you don't give them weapons, or invite any Florida bugs, you're OK.

484 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:49:01pm

re: #263 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Uh-huh.

So if a woman said Obama or Bill Clinton arranged the same kind of meeting you'd have the same response. Right?

Bill Clinton arranged more than that, and I DID have the same response. Obama has done nothing of the sort, as far as I can tell, and I'd be astonished and highly skeptical if such accusations were flung.

Ardent, even blunt, efforts to get a woman in one's bed, are bad enough, particularly when coming from a married man. Tactless, tacky, demeaning, you name it. But when the words "you want a job" come into play, that crosses another line.

That's a threat.

485 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:49:25pm

re: #477 Sionainn

I bookmarked it. My only problem is going to be talking my dad into parting with some chiles.

don't be silly...steal them

486 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:49:51pm

re: #479 b_sharp

I know. My fav is Popped Cherry.

Fact: Chocolate body syrup is a lot sexier in the planning than in the execution.

487 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:50:11pm

re: #481 albusteve

congress, K St...it's all the same breed of cat...WS is allowed to march along at our expense because congress sanctions them

Sanctions? I don't know about that. It's just good old-fashioned US money-driven politics. Money is speech and the most money speaks loudest.

488 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:50:45pm

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Limbaugh On Cain Accusations: Political Correctness ‘Has Now Spread To Behavior — Not Just Speech’

Stay classy, Rush.

*sigh*
We feminists have really dropped the ball. We've let misogynist assholes like Rush dictate the conversation for far too long and allowed this kind of bullshit language and 'logic' become commonplace and fairly widely accepted. That all really needs to change in a major way and soon.

489 freetoken  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:51:21pm

re: #454 Alouette

Two of my sons are addicted to Miracle Whip. I have no idea how that happened.

Perhaps it's all the sugar in Miracle Whip. It used to be cane sugar, though in recent years high-fructose corn syrup has been used. Miracle Whip is essentially a stable emulsion of water, soybean oil, and sugars.

490 garhighway  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:51:57pm

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fact: Chocolate body syrup is a lot sexier in the planning than in the execution.

Amen.

Practice tip: save that behavior for hotel stays, when someone else has to clean up.

491 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:52:06pm

re: #487 imp_62

Sanctions? I don't know about that. It's just good old-fashioned US money-driven politics. Money is speech and the most money speaks loudest.

congress writes the law

492 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:52:16pm

re: #484 lostlakehiker

Bill Clinton arranged more than that, and I DID have the same response. Obama has done nothing of the sort, as far as I can tell, and I'd be astonished and highly skeptical if such accusations were flung.

Ardent, even blunt, efforts to get a woman in one's bed, are bad enough, particularly when coming from a married man. Tactless, tacky, demeaning, you name it. But when the words "you want a job" come into play, that crosses another line.

That's a threat.

With Clinton, Lewinsky was drawn to the power of the man in the position, it could have been anyone. However, if she wanted some of that power to rub off on her she blew it.

493 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:52:16pm

re: #8 garhighway

No doubt about that. I'm not a big fan of the saying "where's there's smoke, there's fire" (since it destroys some important concepts like the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof), but if ever there was a guy it applied to, Herm's the guy.

Where stuff like this is concerned, future performance can be predicted on past results, because people don't easily change their behavior long-term.

I'm all for due process and giving people the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes it's pretty damn obvious that someone's guilty as sin.

494 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:52:52pm

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fact: Chocolate body syrup is a lot sexier in the planning than in the execution.

just go for edible underwear...don't even need a napkin

495 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:52:57pm

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It is Rush's position that every man in a position of power has the right to put his penis wherever he damn well pleases. Pre-Civil War it was into slaves, now it's into female employees of any colour or creed. Progress!!!!!

496 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:53:27pm

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fact: Chocolate body syrup is a lot sexier in the planning than in the execution.

A bare waterbed is a necessity.

497 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:53:51pm

re: #492 b_sharp

With Clinton, Lewinsky was drawn to the power of the man in the position, it could have been anyone. However, if she wanted some of that power to rub off on her she blew it.

You're on fire!

498 allegro  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:53:52pm

re: #492 b_sharp

With Clinton, Lewinsky was drawn to the power of the man in the position, it could have been anyone. However, if she wanted some of that power to rub off on her she blew it.

ROFL!

499 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:54:42pm

re: #495 imp_62

It is Rush's position that every man in a position of power has the right to put his penis wherever he damn well pleases. Pre-Civl War it was into slaves, now it's into female employees of any colour or creed. Progress!!!

Except if they're liberals, in which case they deserve banishment.

500 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:54:48pm

re: #494 albusteve

just go for edible underwear...don't even need a napkin

NOW I remember what was at the root of my acid reflux...

501 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:54:58pm

re: #11 lawhawk

He's running out of things to say. If there was just one, he could write that one off as an outlier and not indicative of anything. Even at 2 or 3, he could claim that they were lying and unsubstantiated rumors.

However, the evidence is growing that these were substantiated events and not out of the ordinary. There was at least four - and looking like 5 or more at this point.

Now that we're closing in on Tiger Woods territory, he's got no excuses and he can't smear all of these women (though his supporters will try hard to do what the campaign itself can't or wont do directly).

So much for the family values Cain was claiming to have.

I'm waiting for the Marion Barry-style "Bitch(es) set me up!" moment...

502 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:55:22pm

re: #492 b_sharp

With Clinton, Lewinsky was drawn to the power of the man in the position, it could have been anyone. However, if she wanted some of that power to rub off on her she blew it.

It was the totally uninformed opinion of the Israelis in our office that Monica was Mossad. Ask SFZ, she'll know.

503 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:55:42pm

re: #492 b_sharp

With Clinton, Lewinsky was drawn to the power of the man in the position, it could have been anyone. However, if she wanted some of that power to rub off on her she blew it.

Clinton abused his positions of power and authority to, in many ways, coerce women into sexual relationships. Coerce is a strong word and he may not have threatened them into doing it, but the power differential makes the situation coercive regardless.

504 freetoken  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:55:42pm

Last month's Physics Today (the trade mag of the AIP) has an article that didn't get as wide a play as it probably should have, but it is finally picking up some more attention:

Science controversies past and present

The author draws parallels between the denial of AGW and previous resistance to changes in science by the establishment/culture.

505 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:55:53pm

re: #500 imp_62

NOW I remember what was at the root of my acid reflux...

Colon Cleanser hot sauce?

506 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:56:37pm

re: #505 b_sharp

Colon Cleanser hot sauce?

Strawberry undies.

507 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:57:16pm

re: #504 freetoken

Thanks. Bookmarked for later perusal.

508 Lidane  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:57:25pm

Memo to Herman Cain: When you're in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

Herman Cain: ‘I Don’t Even Know Who This Lady Is!’

509 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:59:25pm

re: #480 imp_62

Invite him over for the stew?

He's a complete vegetarian, so I'd have to figure out some other way to make the stew, probably with some wheat gluten stuff or something.

510 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:59:26pm

Limbaugh then waxed nostalgic about the days when men could casually refer to women as “broads,” without being attacked for it.

i can think of a lot of things i would like to do with or in regard to women, but calling them "broads" doesn't remotely make it on to the list

511 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:59:30pm

re: #508 Lidane

Memo to Herman Cain: When you're in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

Herman Cain: ‘I Don’t Even Know Who This Lady Is!’

Hey, it almost worked for Ash in Army of Darkness.

512 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:59:39pm

re: #508 Lidane

Memo to Herman Cain: When you're in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

Herman Cain: ‘I Don’t Even Know Who This Lady Is!’

just another one of many is what he's saying

513 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:00:30pm

re: #503 Simply Sarah

Clinton abused his positions of power and authority to, in many ways, coerce women into sexual relationships. Coerce is a strong word and he may not have threatened them into doing it, but the power differential makes the situation coercive regardless.

Yes he did, but that doesn't make for as good a joke. And no, I don't agree with what he did, although my disagreement has nothing to do with him cheating on his wife.

It's the reason sex between any authority, such as a teacher, and a dependant, such as a student, is considered minimally - stupid, and maximally - illegal.

514 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:00:30pm

re: #485 albusteve

don't be silly...steal them

LOL. He is going out of town over the weekend...

515 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:00:53pm

re: #509 Sionainn

He's a complete vegetarian, so I'd have to figure out some other way to make the stew, probably with some wheat gluten stuff or something.

Firm tofu. Use a prep recipe for clay pot tofu:
Tofu prep

516 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:01:12pm

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Limbaugh On Cain Accusations: Political Correctness ‘Has Now Spread To Behavior — Not Just Speech’

Stay classy, Rush.

Interesting that 'feminazi' has made it back into his vernacular.

Palin being out of the political arena must have something to do with it.

517 freetoken  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:01:24pm

re: #508 Lidane

That photo... makes it looks like he is about to say something not nice.

518 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:01:32pm

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Limbaugh On Cain Accusations: Political Correctness ‘Has Now Spread To Behavior — Not Just Speech’

Stay classy, Rush.

It fits into the rightwing mindset.
Keep in mind that these are the same arguments they are using when they are trying to redefine what rape is.

519 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:02:00pm

re: #509 Sionainn

He's a complete vegetarian, so I'd have to figure out some other way to make the stew, probably with some wheat gluten stuff or something.

soy granulate. I use it a lot for chilis and meat sauces in place of ground beef. But I cheat and soak it in beef broth....

520 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:02:12pm

re: #511 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, it almost worked for Ash in Army of Darkness.

That's just because he was beside himself in confusion.

521 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:02:27pm

re: #513 b_sharp

Yes he did, but that doesn't make for as good a joke. And no, I don't agree with what he did, although my disagreement has nothing to do with him cheating on his wife.

It's the reason sex between any authority, such as a teacher, and a dependant, such as a student, is considered minimally - stupid, and maximally - illegal.

Fair enough, but I'm required to jump in and stomp out all of your fun! It's my job, you know.

522 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:02:36pm

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stay classy, Rush.

Am I alone mildly irritated by this applied to someone who has never been classy in the first place?/

523 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:03:38pm

re: #518 RadicalModerate

It fits into the rightwing mindset.
Keep in mind that these are the same arguments they are using when they are trying to redefine what rape is.

They're trying to redefine rape? Huh?

524 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:03:57pm

re: #492 b_sharp

With Clinton, Lewinsky was drawn to the power of the man in the position, it could have been anyone. However, if she wanted some of that power to rub off on her she blew it.

So to speak...
/

525 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:04:18pm

I can only guess that some of the logic behind fundamentalist Islamic countries in banning almost all contact between men and women outside of the family is that they see situations like this as inevitable and want to just avoid them outright...

526 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:04:28pm

re: #276 Firstinla

I don't know why you folks continue to debate the Cain issue with Buck. Buck is not going to back down from his uncontested support of Cain because they are cut from the same cloth. There is no evidence that can be produced to change Buck's mind about anything. His talking points come directly from Rush Limbaugh and Limbaugh's ilk. Why bother? It is just easier to skip over whatever Buck posts.

Debating deniers can be fun, it also can be helpful in perfecting one's own knowledge of the truth.

527 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:04:28pm

re: #521 Simply Sarah

Fair enough, but I'm required to jump in and stomp out all of your fun! It's my job, you know.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

528 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:04:28pm

re: #510 engineer dog

Limbaugh then waxed nostalgic about the days when men could casually refer to women as “broads,” without being attacked for it.

i can think of a lot of things i would like to do with or in regard to women, but calling them "broads" doesn't remotely make it on to the list

The GIs in Italy couldn't get over this sign:

Image: BABYITA.jpg

529 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:05:08pm

re: #526 000G

Debating deniers can be fun, it also can be helpful in perfecting one's own knowledge of the truth.

This. Tho gets repetitive after a while.

530 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:05:53pm

re: #526 000G

Debating deniers can be fun, it also can be helpful in perfecting one's own knowledge of the truth.

Tackling dummies.

531 Sionainn  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:06:22pm

re: #515 imp_62

Firm tofu. Use a prep recipe for clay pot tofu:
Tofu prep

I used some seitan as a substitute for pork loin in a ginger pork and asparagus stir fry and didn't tell anyone until after dinner. No one had a clue that it wasn't pork.

532 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:07:47pm

re: #531 Sionainn

I used some seitan as a substitute for pork loin in a ginger pork and asparagus stir fry and didn't tell anyone until after dinner. No one had a clue that it wasn't pork.

Seitan makes a great substitute for many meats. I use it in veal dishes, as well.

533 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:08:19pm

Well, I'm back from partaking in the democratic process. And I must say, this year was rather uninspiring.

534 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:08:44pm

re: #523 b_sharp

They're trying to redefine rape? Huh?

Yes.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

535 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:09:12pm

re: #532 imp_62

Seitan makes a great substitute for many meats. I use it in veal dishes, as well.

ALL HAIL THE GREAT SEITAN!!!

536 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:09:32pm

re: #533 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, I'm back from partaking in the democratic process. And I must say, this year was rather uninspiring.

I felt the same way. It was a real chore getting motivated to bike the 5 minutes to the polls.

537 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:09:58pm

re: #535 ralphieboy

Yeah, too much like Shaitan.

538 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:10:07pm

re: #299 bratwurst

I cannot fathom being a woman and a fan of his, you would have to have some kind of mental illness.

I'm sure they all know that it's just satire.

///

539 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:11:24pm

Herman Cain: President of the United States of Amnesia

540 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:11:47pm

BRB, gonna reboot

541 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:13:11pm

re: #539 makeitstop

Herman Cain: President of the United States of Amnesia

Just don't ask him who is the president of Alzheimer-eimer-eimerstan...

542 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:13:21pm

re: #302 Alouette

I actually enjoyed listening to Rush 20 years ago, when he was still entertaining.

Limbaugh was entertaining once?

543 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:13:26pm

re: #540 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

BRB, gonna reboot

Good luck. After that also reboot your computer. /

544 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:14:30pm

re: #536 imp_62

I felt the same way. It was a real chore getting motivated to bike the 5 minutes to the polls.

By the way, if anyone here lives in Mississippi, please, PLEASE go vote. The "Personhood" amendment to the state constitution (which defines any fertilized egg as a human being) is being decided today.

545 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:15:11pm

re: #544 RadicalModerate

By the way, if anyone here lives in Mississippi, please, PLEASE go vote. The "Personhood" amendment to the state constitution (which defines any fertilized egg as a human being) is being decided today.

Does it realistically stand a chance?

546 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:15:17pm

re: #542 000G

Limbaugh was entertaining once?

He was at one time possessed of a certain level of intellectual acumen that made it a challenge to refute his positions. Now he is just playing to the Dittoheads.

547 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:15:42pm

re: #545 imp_62

Does it realistically stand a chance?

Polling I've seen shows it very likely to pass.

548 Kragar  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:15:42pm

re: #542 000G

Limbaugh was entertaining once?

Some oxycotin on a fishing line outside his studio. Funny every time.

549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:16:10pm

re: #484 lostlakehiker

Bill Clinton arranged more than that, and I DID have the same response. Obama has done nothing of the sort, as far as I can tell, and I'd be astonished and highly skeptical if such accusations were flung.

Ardent, even blunt, efforts to get a woman in one's bed, are bad enough, particularly when coming from a married man. Tactless, tacky, demeaning, you name it. But when the words "you want a job" come into play, that crosses another line.

That's a threat.

e_e congratulations, yer a feminist.

550 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:16:49pm

re: #536 imp_62

I felt the same way. It was a real chore getting motivated to bike the 5 minutes to the polls.

We just had provincial elections yesterday. Normally we get a chunk of paper from the enumerator who stops by that we take to the polls as evidence we are who we say we are. We got those papers some weeks ago. When we went to the polls to vote, we found out we also needed government issue picture ID. As usual, I left my wallet in my car, so I didn't have the ID. They said the wife could vouch for me but we'd have to jump through some hoops. I said fuckit and left.

What the fuck is the necessity for picture ID? I've voted in municipal, provincial and federal elections for 38 years without needing picture ID. Who the fuck in Sask is going to vote without being a citizen? This can only harm the indigenous population, members of the groups who've been here a lot longer than we have.

Idiots.

551 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:16:57pm

re: #545 imp_62

Does it realistically stand a chance?

A bit better than 50/50 a few days ago.

552 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:17:36pm

re: #549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

e_e congratulations, yer a feminist.

We should have an ice cream cake! This totally isn't just an excuse to have ice cream cake.

553 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:17:56pm

re: #551 Decatur Deb

A bit better than 50/50 a few days ago.

the courts will kill it

554 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:18:11pm

re: #302 Alouette

I actually enjoyed listening to Rush 20 years ago, when he was still entertaining. He has been a train wreck for the last 10 years, though. He should have retired when his hillbilly heroin addiction was revealed.

20 years ago? When he had his syndicated TV show that was produced by Roger Ailes, and essentially was a trial run for FoxNews programming?

No.

555 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:18:54pm
556 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:19:15pm

re: #553 albusteve

the courts will kill it

Probably, just as they will kill our Alabama "Show Me Your Papers" law. In the meantime AL is doing a lot of damage.

557 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:20:15pm

re: #550 b_sharp

We just had provincial elections yesterday. Normally we get a chunk of paper from the enumerator who stops by that we take to the polls as evidence we are who we say we are. We got those papers some weeks ago. When we went to the polls to vote, we found out we also needed government issue picture ID. As usual, I left my wallet in my car, so I didn't have the ID. They said the wife could vouch for me but we'd have to jump through some hoops. I said fuckit and left.

What the fuck is the necessity for picture ID? I've voted in municipal, provincial and federal elections for 38 years without needing picture ID. Who the fuck in Sask is going to vote without being a citizen? This can only harm the indigenous population, members of the groups who've been here a lot longer than we have.

Idiots.

No ID is required in New York State. I simply countersign a photocopy of my voter registration at the polling place. Nonetheless, I always bring my passport in case there is a fascist takeover between the time I get on my bike and the time I arrive at the polls.
Only 1/2 kidding.

558 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:20:51pm

Better than green chile stew:

559 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:21:47pm

re: #552 Simply Sarah

We should have an ice cream cake! This totally isn't just an excuse to have ice cream cake.

Did anyone else run out to buy Ben & Jerry's Schwedy Balls when it came out? It was very delicious.

560 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:22:25pm

re: #557 imp_62

No ID is required in New York State. I simply countersign a photocopy of my voter registration at the polling place. Nonetheless, I always bring my passport in case there is a fascist takeover between the time I get on my bike and the time I arrive at the polls.
Only 1/2 kidding.

Because we have property in another county, my wife and I have to drive there and show we are in Alabama 'legally' in order to pay the taxes.

561 Firstinla  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:22:44pm

re: #550 b_sharp

I was going to drive up this afternoon from California but you've convinced me it's not worth the long drive. Never mind.

562 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:23:54pm

re: #540 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

BRB, gonna reboot

Reboot, smeeboot, just stick your tongue into the wall socket. That'll clear your mind.

563 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:24:10pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

What on earth is the point of that statement?

You could ask that about a lot of religious phrases.

564 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:24:49pm

re: #546 ralphieboy

He was at one time possessed of a certain level of intellectual acumen that made it a challenge to refute his positions.

The idea kindof blows my mind. Anyone have any clips of that?

565 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:25:09pm

re: #562 b_sharp

Reboot, smeeboot, just stick your tongue into the wall socket. That'll clear your mind.

Tried that the other day. All I did was burn off my eyebrows...and end up with The Macarena playing through my head for an hour.

566 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:25:10pm

re: #558 wrenchwench

Better than green chile stew:

[Video]

John Lee, one of the last of the Delta legends

567 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:25:41pm

re: #544 RadicalModerate

By the way, if anyone here lives in Mississippi, please, PLEASE go vote. The "Personhood" amendment to the state constitution (which defines any fertilized egg as a human being) is being decided today.

Only in Righteous Right Lalla Land could that be a concern.

568 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:26:37pm

re: #355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ubercalvinist sociopathy.

Calvinism is for Protestants who think Augustine is too Catholic.

Still boggles my mind that an evil mind like Augustine's is so revered in the Church.

569 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:26:53pm

re: #547 Simply Sarah

Polling I've seen shows it very likely to pass.

What?

Banging my head with an iron mallet would be less painful and more constructive.

570 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:27:25pm

re: #567 b_sharp

Only in Righteous Right Lalla Land could that be a concern.

Well, they'd been trying this in Colorado previously. It just wasn't coming close to passing there.

571 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:28:18pm

Okay am I crazy or did Google use a couple names from here for features they introduced?

572 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:28:22pm

re: #568 000G

Calvinism is for Protestants who think Augustine is too Catholic.

Still boggles my mind that an evil mind like Augustine's is so revered in the Church.

Church?....hahaha!
Meyer Lansky was revered in his church too

573 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:28:27pm

re: #348 imp_62

Best mayonnaise, period

Speaking as a German, American mayonnaise is nothing I recognized as mayonaise.

And don't even get me started on "German potato salad" or American-German stuff like "Knockwurst". Knock? Really?

574 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:28:30pm

[Link: pinups4ronpaul.com...]

Order Before the Holiday Rush!

you know you want to.

575 Simply Sarah  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:28:57pm

re: #570 Simply Sarah

Well, they'd been trying this in Colorado previously. It just wasn't coming close to passing there.

And if it doesn't pass this time, you had better be sure they'll try again and again until it does. If not in Mississippi, then elsewhere.

576 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:29:20pm

re: #566 albusteve

John Lee, one of the last of the Delta legends

Ry looks like he's in school. Have you heard him do John Lee Hooker for President on "Pull Up Some Dust and Sit Down"? If not, why not?!?!

577 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:29:34pm

re: #572 albusteve

Church?...hahaha!
Meyer Lansky was revered in his church too

Speaking of a Church Father here, so it's slightly more relevant than your example.

578 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:30:23pm

re: #550 b_sharp

We just had provincial elections yesterday. Normally we get a chunk of paper from the enumerator who stops by that we take to the polls as evidence we are who we say we are. We got those papers some weeks ago. When we went to the polls to vote, we found out we also needed government issue picture ID. As usual, I left my wallet in my car, so I didn't have the ID. They said the wife could vouch for me but we'd have to jump through some hoops. I said fuckit and left.

What the fuck is the necessity for picture ID? I've voted in municipal, provincial and federal elections for 38 years without needing picture ID. Who the fuck in Sask is going to vote without being a citizen? This can only harm the indigenous population, members of the groups who've been here a lot longer than we have.

Idiots.

It could be worse - You could be in Texas, where the Voter ID law was also passed.
And here's the kicker (actually two of them). Unlike all other states that added a provision for individuals without a state-issued ID to get one free of charge, Texas charges 16 dollars for issuing a photo ID that lasts only four years.
Secondly, during the budget crisis from last year, one of areas affected was Department of Public Safety offices, where drivers licenses and IDs are issued. A number of these locations were either closed, or had severely reduced operating hours. But the only offices that seemed to be affected were those in minority neighborhoods. Those in affluent white-majority neighborhoods were unaffected.

579 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:30:37pm

re: #561 Firstinla

I was going to drive up this afternoon from California but you've convinced me it's not worth the long drive. Never mind.

The Sask party usually gets very few aboriginal votes so I wonder if this was a tactic designed to skew the election.

580 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:30:57pm

re: #364 imp_62

You are correct. I should have written that I don't consider him conservative, simply reactionary.

To OhCrap, there's not really a difference.

581 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:31:22pm

re: #576 wrenchwench

Ry looks like he's in school. Have you heard him do John Lee Hooker for President on "Pull Up Some Dust and Sit Down"? If not, why not?!?!

Ry is a very gracious man, and humble...and yes I've heard it, altho Pull Up Some Dust is not one of my favorites

582 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:32:07pm

re: #573 000G

Speaking as a German, American mayonnaise is nothing I recognized as mayonaise.

And don't even get me started on "German potato salad" or American-German stuff like "Knockwurst". Knock? Really?

Come down to Zurich over Christmas break. Meet my family and have Bratwurst with Roesti!

583 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:32:15pm

re: #577 000G

Speaking of a Church Father here, so it's slightly more relevant than your example.

why?...they are all extortionists and hit men

584 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:32:42pm

re: #564 000G

The idea kindof blows my mind. Anyone have any clips of that?

It never happened. His arguments have always been a collection of logical fallacies, straw man burning and invented premises.

585 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:33:00pm

re: #372 imp_62

When I moved to the US, I had a real problem with mayo, mustard etc. in jars. It seems so unhygienic.

Dunno what you're talking about. I always buy my mayo in jars here.

586 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:33:44pm

Anybody know what the controversial mission in Modern Warfare 3 is?

587 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:34:02pm

re: #582 imp_62

Come down to Zurich over Christmas break. Meet my family and have Bratwurst with Roesti!

Would love to, but am busy during the Holidays. Thanks for the invite, though.

588 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:34:11pm

re: #573 000G

Speaking as a German, American mayonnaise is nothing I recognized as mayonaise.

And don't even get me started on "German potato salad" or American-German stuff like "Knockwurst". Knock? Really?

And German mustard is nothing I recognize as mustard.

589 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:34:23pm

re: #585 000G

Dunno what you're talking about. I always buy my mayo in jars here.

In Switzerland, mayo comes in tubes. Some mustards come in jars, but not many and mainly they are German imports.

590 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:34:47pm

re: #573 000G

Speaking as a German, American mayonnaise is nothing I recognized as mayonaise.

And don't even get me started on "German potato salad" or American-German stuff like "Knockwurst". Knock? Really?

I'm only half German, the other half is Scottish, so you can imagine the horrors my stomach has seen.

591 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:35:00pm

re: #586 ProLifeLiberal

Anybody know what the controversial mission in Modern Warfare 3 is?

Putting the controller down and going outside for fresh air?

592 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:35:44pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Nope. They're all still alive.

They're playing now.

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Who are those "Revolution Generation / Debt is Slavery" kids again? Just Ron Paul front group?

593 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:36:11pm

re: #574 zora

[Link: pinups4ronpaul.com...]

Order Before the Holiday Rush!

you know you want to.

Too much clothing.

594 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:36:22pm

re: #591 imp_62

Putting the controller down and going outside for fresh air?

I thought that was Diablo III.

(and yes, I already have it pre-ordered)

595 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:36:40pm

re: #589 imp_62

In Switzerland, mayo comes in tubes. Some mustards come in jars, but not many and mainly they are German imports.

Gotcha. My apologies for the influx of Germans as of late, btw.

596 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:37:04pm

re: #591 imp_62

Very Funny.

Seriously though, I'm watching a play-through of this, at that warning that was in Modern Warfare 2 appeared.

What did they do this time?

597 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:37:53pm

re: #578 RadicalModerate

It could be worse - You could be in Texas, where the Voter ID law was also passed.
And here's the kicker (actually two of them). Unlike all other states that added a provision for individuals without a state-issued ID to get one free of charge, Texas charges 16 dollars for issuing a photo ID that lasts only four years.
Secondly, during the budget crisis from last year, one of areas affected was Department of Public Safety offices, where drivers licenses and IDs are issued. A number of these locations were either closed, or had severely reduced operating hours. But the only offices that seemed to be affected were those in minority neighborhoods. Those in affluent white-majority neighborhoods were unaffected.

Probably nothing about that kind of immorality in the Bible, right?

598 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:38:01pm

re: #572 albusteve

Church?...hahaha!
Meyer Lansky was revered in his church too

Meyer Lansky never belonged to any church.

599 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:38:12pm

re: #595 000G

Gotcha. My apologies for the influx of Germans as of late, btw.

I lived and worked in Munich for years, so it's karma... But I do sometimes wish they would go home.

600 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:38:38pm

re: #573 000G

Speaking as a German, American mayonnaise is nothing I recognized as mayonaise.

And don't even get me started on "German potato salad" or American-German stuff like "Knockwurst". Knock? Really?

re: #588 Sergey Romanov

And German mustard is nothing I recognize as mustard.

And food from anywhere but South Louisiana is nothing I recognize as food.

601 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:39:45pm

re: #588 Sergey Romanov

And German mustard is nothing I recognize as mustard.

If you're not chewing the flowers of the mustard plant it ain't mustard.

602 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:40:41pm

re: #600 reine.de.tout

re: #588 Sergey Romanov

And food from anywhere but South Louisiana is nothing I recognize as food.

LOL
reine, how are ya?

603 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:41:28pm

So, isn't Cain supposed to be giving a response to the media at 5EST?

604 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:41:46pm

re: #598 Alouette

Meyer Lansky never belonged to any church.

The Church of the Holy Nostra

605 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:43:17pm

Afternoon Honcos.

606 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:43:59pm

re: #604 albusteve

The Church of the Holy Nostra

She's looking for Temple Beit Heater.

607 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:44:24pm

Well, wrestling season shouldn't be so painful for my son this year. He wants to wrestle at 132 (assuming he can certify there) and is at 136 atm without really trying to cut. He rows at 140 but like all wrestlers prefers to wrestle down if possible.

608 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:44:28pm

re: #439 ralphieboy

acid reflux is not so much about the foods you eat but how you eat them

The Paracelsus approach to dining.

609 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:45:12pm

re: #602 Rightwingconspirator

LOL
reine, how are ya?

Doin' fine. How's everybody?

610 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:45:19pm

re: #608 000G

The Paracelsus approach to dining.

The man with the world's best name, ever
Theophrastus Bombastus Paracelsus.

611 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:45:59pm

re: #601 b_sharp

If you're not chewing the flowers of the mustard plant it ain't mustard.

Real mustard must raise the top of your head, as if in a cartoon, and cause tears to flow out of your eyes. What I saw in Germany was sweetish crap. (Tho I didn't hunt around, maybe real mustard is also sold.)

612 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:46:05pm

I just ate my usual tortilla with peanut butter. Since they grow peanuts and tortillas here, I guess that was New Mexican cuisine.

613 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:46:22pm

re: #600 reine.de.tout

re: #588 Sergey Romanov

And food from anywhere but South Louisiana is nothing I recognize as food.

Cajun or Creole? (and for those of you who aren't natives, there IS a difference)

614 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:46:53pm

re: #612 wrenchwench

I just ate my usual tortilla with peanut butter. Since they grow peanuts and tortillas here, I guess that was New Mexican cuisine.

How do you grow a tortilla?

615 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:47:02pm

re: #440 Sergey Romanov

[Link: vestnikkavkaza.net...]

What is it with all of these hollywood stars selling out to thugs? Can't get any engagements from normal people? The entertainment economy doing that bad, really?

616 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:48:16pm

re: #615 000G

What is it with all of these hollywood stars selling out to thugs? Can't get any engagements from normal people? The entertainment economy doing that bad, really?

In VD case must be a has-been syndrome.

617 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:48:24pm

re: #552 Simply Sarah

We should have an ice cream cake! This totally isn't just an excuse to have ice cream cake.

Lol a few weeks ago, lostlakehiker was tring to shovel me those olf parroted con lines about Herman Cain's Now Rather Infamous Blackness. Funny what it takes for them to sfinally figure out they need to find another bat to beat the blacks with, since the one they picked thitime aroudisnmt gonna work out for them.

618 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:48:26pm

re: #614 Cannadian Club Akbar

How do you grow a tortilla?

Well, look what Jack Daniels dragged in!
Hi, CCA

619 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:49:37pm

Is Charles fiddling with the code atm? Certain things are changing ...

620 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:49:43pm

re: #598 Alouette

He did revere St. Tommy the Gun though.

621 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:50:25pm

Anyone got a link to Cain's upcoming press conference?

622 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:51:17pm

re: #620 lawhawk

He did revere St. Tommy the Gun though.

heh...I love old mob stuff

623 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:51:21pm

re: #617 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol a few weeks ago, lostlakehiker was tring to shovel me those olf parroted con lines about Herman Cain's Now Rather Infamous Blackness. Funny what it takes for them to sfinally figure out they need to find another bat to beat the blacks with, since the one they picked thitime aroudisnmt gonna work out for them.

Bats are black.

624 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:51:42pm

re: #617 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol a few weeks ago, lostlakehiker was tring to shovel me those olf parroted con lines about Herman Cain's Now Rather Infamous Blackness. Funny what it takes for them to sfinally figure out they need to find another bat to beat the blacks with, since the one they picked thitime aroudisnmt gonna work out for them.

You're on the dumb phone again, aren't you.

:)

625 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:51:55pm

Alrighty, I found one on Fox.

[Link: video.foxnews.com...]

626 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:52:20pm

re: #619 imp_62

Is Charles fiddling with the code atm? Certain things are changing ...

Just menopause kickin' in.

627 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:52:48pm

re: #624 wrenchwench

You're on the dumb phone again, aren't you.

:)

I love OhCrap's jargon. Dumbphone, dumbtilla etc. :)

628 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:53:14pm

re: #617 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol a few weeks ago, lostlakehiker was tring to shovel me those olf parroted con lines about Herman Cain's Now Rather Infamous Blackness. Funny what it takes for them to sfinally figure out they need to find another bat to beat the blacks with, since the one they picked thitime aroudisnmt gonna work out for them.

is this a secret code?

629 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:53:14pm

re: #609 reine.de.tout

Doin' fine. How's everybody?

We are fine, just getting used to what California calls winter. First frost and freeze warnings for the county in the last day or so. Plotting a return to OccupyLA to see how that is changing over time. And weather. Saw a stained glass window of a sailboat in Santa Barbara Orchid Estates that had us thinking of you.

630 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:53:15pm

re: #625 Obdicut

Alrighty, I found one on Fox.

[Link: video.foxnews.com...]

Charles posted a whole thread for you, and you choose Fox?!! ///

631 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:53:26pm

re: #626 b_sharp

Just menopause kickin' in.

psst. He huffs glue
/

632 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:54:25pm

re: #344 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Buck is a very typical delusional white conservative bigot, afaic. I've met more, online and off, mostly off, who are far more reactionary than him.

You don't know me, you just think you do. You do seem throw out the Bigot label very easily.

633 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:54:28pm

re: #580 000G

To OhCrap, there's not really a difference.

not true. Like I said, I've known reactionary conservatives way more far gone than Buck.

634 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:54:39pm

As regards Herman Cain:

Women do not generally make this stuff up. One woman? Maybe. More than one? With similar stories? Nope.

Why don't women report this stuff when it happens? Some do, and as we've seen with Cain during his tenure at the Restaurant Assn., it tends to get swept under the rug. Others don't because, well, such things are an embarrassment.

Why is it embarrassing? There are the questions: Did I do something to provoke this? Will people THINK I did something to provoke it? Will someone make a claim that I did something to provoke it?

We see how the women in this situation are being dismissed by some in some quarters.

Frankly, we saw some in some quarters being equally dismissive of Juanita Broadrick and Kathleen Willey, and even Monica Lewinsky.

Now before anybody starts yelling at me that oh, but those situations were different - just save your breath.

What we see are powerful men using their positions of power to try to seduce women, some of whom are willing, others of whom are not willing.

Either way, it never comes out good for the woman. Look at Clinton and Lewinsky. That situation is a known, it absolutely did happen.

Where are we now? Clinton has gone on with his life, which is fine. But I still see snide and dismissive comments about Monica. Where is Cain now? Running for President, while the women in these situations are dismissed and excoriated.

In these situations, the men come out ahead, almost always. And that, my friends, is why you do not see women reporting this sort of thing more often, or insisting on full investigations but instead taking some sort of "settlement" to keep quiet.

635 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:54:58pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Hey!! Buck and I are in total agreement--we both want Mr Cain to shake this off and do very well in the primaries.

You should not hope for that. What if your wish were granted?

It is very, very dangerous to have one party presenting a candidate who is so high handed. What if he were to win and become president? True, he'd be less likely to win than Romney, perhaps ten times less likely. But what of the damage he'd do if he did win? That's potentially off the scale.

If this nation is to endure, it must steer clear of that kind of high stakes, risky stuff. Any number of not-so-good presidents can come and go, and the nation will endure. But somebody who's on a power trip and damn the consequences, and look out.

636 shutdown  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:55:13pm

Work to do. BBL.

637 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:55:32pm

re: #489 freetoken

Perhaps it's all the sugar in Miracle Whip. It used to be cane sugar, though in recent years high-fructose corn syrup has been used. Miracle Whip is essentially a stable emulsion of water, soybean oil, and sugars.

Heh. Once you describe some foodstuff in terms of what's actually in it, it sounds really disgusting.

Upton Sinclair's The Jungle comes to mind.

638 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:55:59pm

re: #616 Sergey Romanov

In VD case must be a has-been syndrome.

Even the Ghostbusters did childrens birthday parties!

639 Buck  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:56:32pm

re: #634 reine.de.tout

More than one? With similar stories?

You have only heard two out of five of the stories, and those two are not at all similar.

640 albusteve  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:57:03pm

re: #632 Buck

You don't know me, you just think you do. You do seem throw out the Bigot label very easily.

every conservative and Republican alive is a bigot and racist....every one, didn't you know that?

641 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:57:12pm

re: #634 reine.de.tout

As regards Herman Cain:

Women do not generally make this stuff up. One woman? Maybe. More than one? With similar stories? Nope.

Why don't women report this stuff when it happens? Some do, and as we've seen with Cain during his tenure at the Restaurant Assn., it tends to get swept under the rug. Others don't because, well, such things are an embarrassment.

Why is it embarrassing? There are the questions: Did I do something to provoke this? Will people THINK I did something to provoke it? Will someone make a claim that I did something to provoke it?

We see how the women in this situation are being dismissed by some in some quarters.

Frankly, we saw some in some quarters being equally dismissive of Juanita Broadrick and Kathleen Willey, and even Monica Lewinsky.

Now before anybody starts yelling at me that oh, but those situations were different - just save your breath.

What we see are powerful men using their positions of power to try to seduce women, some of whom are willing, others of whom are not willing.

Either way, it never comes out good for the woman. Look at Clinton and Lewinsky. That situation is a known, it absolutely did happen.

Where are we now? Clinton has gone on with his life, which is fine. But I still see snide and dismissive comments about Monica. Where is Cain now? Running for President, while the women in these situations are dismissed and excoriated.

In these situations, the men come out ahead, almost always. And that, my friends, is why you do not see women reporting this sort of thing more often, or insisting on full investigations but instead taking some sort of "settlement" to keep quiet.

I wish that were assigned reading for certain people.

642 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:57:29pm

re: #623 b_sharp

Bats are black.

Oh spare me. Herman Cain remains intelligent, with an effective track record in his technical job and in his restaurant career.

His 9-9-9 tax plan remains regressive, and remains a sufficient reason why he should not be president.

His new track record with women, and particularly the arrogant and dismissive tone he now takes, is a new, and again sufficient, reason why he should not be president.

None of any of this has an iota of anything to do with him being black.

643 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:57:36pm

re: #634 reine.de.tout

As regards Herman Cain:

Women do not generally make this stuff up. One woman? Maybe. More than one? With similar stories? Nope.

Why don't women report this stuff when it happens? Some do, and as we've seen with Cain during his tenure at the Restaurant Assn., it tends to get swept under the rug. Others don't because, well, such things are an embarrassment.

Why is it embarrassing? There are the questions: Did I do something to provoke this? Will people THINK I did something to provoke it? Will someone make a claim that I did something to provoke it?

We see how the women in this situation are being dismissed by some in some quarters.

Frankly, we saw some in some quarters being equally dismissive of Juanita Broadrick and Kathleen Willey, and even Monica Lewinsky.

Now before anybody starts yelling at me that oh, but those situations were different - just save your breath.

What we see are powerful men using their positions of power to try to seduce women, some of whom are willing, others of whom are not willing.

Either way, it never comes out good for the woman. Look at Clinton and Lewinsky. That situation is a known, it absolutely did happen.

Where are we now? Clinton has gone on with his life, which is fine. But I still see snide and dismissive comments about Monica. Where is Cain now? Running for President, while the women in these situations are dismissed and excoriated.

In these situations, the men come out ahead, almost always. And that, my friends, is why you do not see women reporting this sort of thing more often, or insisting on full investigations but instead taking some sort of "settlement" to keep quiet.

Well, as Clinton said of Lewinsky - I did not have sax with that woman.

(Last joke on that I promise)

644 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:58:01pm

re: #639 Buck

You have only heard two out of five of the stories, and those two are not at all similar.

Buck: that many women do not come forward with these sorts of stories on a whim.

645 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:58:06pm

re: #639 Buck

You have only heard two out of five of the stories, and those two are not at all similar.

*whoosh*

646 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:58:20pm

re: #643 b_sharp

Well, as Clinton said of Lewinsky - I did not have sax with that woman.

(Last joke on that I promise)

heh.

YOU are allowed.

647 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:59:42pm

re: #635 lostlakehiker

You should not hope for that. What if your wish were granted?

It is very, very dangerous to have one party presenting a candidate who is so high handed. What if he were to win and become president? True, he'd be less likely to win than Romney, perhaps ten times less likely. But what of the damage he'd do if he did win? That's potentially off the scale.

If this nation is to endure, it must steer clear of that kind of high stakes, risky stuff. Any number of not-so-good presidents can come and go, and the nation will endure. But somebody who's on a power trip and damn the consequences, and look out.

The discount between Cain and Romney is so slight that I'll risk it to assure the President's second term. If any TPGOP gets into the White House, he'll bring the Senate with him. Then we will all live in Alabama.

648 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:01:18pm

re: #632 Buck

You don't know me, you just think you do. You do seem throw out the Bigot label very easily.

since you know Herman cain, er, your blacks, so well, why dont you tell us what he is guilty of, buck.

or do you think everyone has already forgotten that bit of idiocy.

649 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:02:13pm

re: #646 reine.de.tout

heh.

YOU are allowed.

Thank you!

How are you doing these days?

650 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:03:34pm

re: #641 wrenchwench

I wish that were assigned reading for certain people.

Never mind. I forgot about the "reading comprehension" factor. The ones who need it, lack it.

651 Henchman 26  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:04:42pm

Crap, I'm late. Gotta go pick up the wife.

BBL

652 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:05:51pm

re: #640 albusteve

every conservative and Republican alive is a bigot and racist...every one, didn't you know that?

don't mistake every conservative and Republican alive for the democrat party of enlsavement and robert byrd.

653 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:09:01pm

re: #613 RadicalModerate

Cajun or Creole? (and for those of you who aren't natives, there IS a difference)

hah!
You are correct.
I like 'em both.

654 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:13:19pm

re: #519 ralphieboy

soy granulate. I use it a lot for chilis and meat sauces in place of ground beef. But I cheat and soak it in beef broth...

Grain might work. My brother does vegetarian stew/chile/soups and often uses pearl barley or buckwheat to help thicken it and add "body".

655 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:16:05pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh dear God. "He could have been told about it between the two different..."

Buck, why do I get the feeling you don't think Mr. Cain is guilty of anything?

Some people, like Buck, will NEVER entertain any idea that their favored candidates may be complete and total sociopaths who have no business near any seat of power, damn any evidence supporting any creepy/illegal monkey business, because they'd be going against their "team" or "tribe".

Never mind the fact that the high-echelon muckety-mucks on that "team" or "tribe" don't give a damn about those who take up the talking points and defend them to the last breath, but they tolerate them as useful idiots who can sway those even less-informed to vote for them and their agendas.

656 zora  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:18:34pm

re: #635 lostlakehiker

You should not hope for that. What if your wish were granted?

It is very, very dangerous to have one party presenting a candidate who is so high handed. What if he were to win and become president? True, he'd be less likely to win than Romney, perhaps ten times less likely. But what of the damage he'd do if he did win? That's potentially off the scale.

If this nation is to endure, it must steer clear of that kind of high stakes, risky stuff. Any number of not-so-good presidents can come and go, and the nation will endure. But somebody who's on a power trip and damn the consequences, and look out.

cain doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell in the general, imo.

657 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 8:43:06pm

re: #647 Decatur Deb

The discount between Cain and Romney is so slight that I'll risk it to assure the President's second term. If any TPGOP gets into the White House, he'll bring the Senate with him. Then we will all live in Alabama.

If domestic policy were the only issue, OK. No president can wreck things beyond repair by missteps in the domestic realm. But internationally, it only takes one Cuban missile crisis gone bad.

The notion that it is possible to assure any political result is the snag. Just because something is 10 to 1, or 100 to 1, doesn't make it sure enough for the stakes we're talking.

658 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 8, 2011 11:47:12pm

re: #656 zora

cain doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell in the general, imo.

Never did, even before last week.


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