Ron Paul Stars In Crazed Documentaries Made By 9/11 Truther

Bad craziness at the top of the Republican Party

WingnutsNovember 2011 • Views: 18,634

Starring in a pair of new films made by antisemitic 9/11 conspiracy theorist James Jaeger: Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

Yesterday, filmmaker James Jaeger of the Jaeger Research Institute publicized the films SPOiLER: How A Third Party Could Win and Original Intent, which “exposes the historical march of Cultural Marxism.” Guests in the films include far-right notables including Pat Buchanan, Chuck Baldwin, Ted Baehr and Edwin Vieira. Original Intent and SPOiLER also include one notable guest: congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul. In fact, Paul’s Campaign for Liberty is listed alongside the Jaeger Research Institute under the film’s “affiliations.”

Even a brief glance at Jaeger Research Institute’s “research” reveals that it is a fringe, conspiratorial organization. In 2003, the group published a column arguing that “Zionist Jews appear to control both parties” and that “the Zionist leadership betrayed the Jews of Europe during the Jewish holocaust.” Another writer for the Jaeger Research Institute wrote, “I find it hard to believe that there is no truth in any of the accusations of child murder leveled against Jews over the centuries.”

A reminder: the Republican Party has put Ron Paul in charge of overseeing the Federal Reserve. What could possibly go wrong?

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iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:50:01am

Original Intent, which “exposes the historical march of Cultural Marxism.”

Cultural Marxism— wasn’t that one of Anders Breivik’s bugaboos? I think so.

Somewhere there is a deep well of haterade, and all these tools go down to drink from it.

_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:51:02am

Of all the dangerous kooks on the right, Luap Nor is the worst. His mix of isolationism, antisemitism, and fiscal radicalism is toxic. He has a decent number of youthful supporters because he wants to legalize marijuana, but those kids who support him for that reason are being taken in by a true “snake oil” salesman.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:51:34am

Oh Lord. Tom Scharpling recounting his Hurricane Irene woes. Comedy gold.

Jump to 1:10:46

Might as well pimp it here, too.

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:53:34am

re: #1 iceweasel

Cultural Marxism— wasn’t that one of Anders Breivik’s bugaboos? I think so.

Somewhere there is a deep well of haterade, and all these tools go down to drink from it.

Another way of saying “we don’t want ‘forced’ integration.”

OhNoZombies! Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:53:37am

Well…
That should lock up the Jewish votes.
And here I thought he was antisemitic.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:54:07am

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

Of all the dangerous kooks on the right, Luap Nor is the worst. His mix of isolationism, antisemitism, and fiscal radicalism is toxic. He has a decent number of youthful supporters because he wants to legalize marijuana, but those kids who support him for that reason are being taken in by a true “snake oil” salesman.

His youth supporters are naive fools. Oh and don’t forget his racism.

Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:56:23am

But remember; The GOP are the pro-Jewish party because shut up that’s why.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:58:02am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

His youth supporters are naive fools. Oh and don’t forget his racism.

I hope they are naive fools, because they can get over that. If they’re drinking the Haterade*, we may have lost them.

*_{is that your invention, iceweasel? because I just stole it…}

_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:58:14am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

His youth supporters are naive fools. Oh and don’t forget his racism.

And less than a week ago he said we need to be nicer to the mullahs running Iran. He is truly a dangerous kook.

iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:58:51am

re: #8 wrenchwench

I hope they are naive fools, because they can get over that. If they’re drinking the Haterade*, we may have lost them.

*_{is that your invention, iceweasel? because I just stole it…}

Not my invention, but you’d be welcome to it if it were!

Kragar Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:59:54am

re: #7 Obdicut

But remember; The GOP are the pro-Jewish party because shut up that’s why.

“We must support Israel so it exists to be destroyed according to the prophecies. How much more pro-Jewish can you expect us to be?”

Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:00:12am

Teh Stupid and Teh Crazy get married.

OhNoZombies! Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:00:28am

Cultural Marxism.
Dog whistle for the Jooz, redistributing the white man’s money, or something…

_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:00:34am

re: #7 Obdicut

But remember; The GOP are the pro-Jewish party because shut up that’s why.

While I would stop short of saying Paul’s views about Jews have massive support in the GOP, I do think your point is valid. Let’s see if Mitt Romney calls Paul out on this in a future debate. THAT would be worth seeing.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:00:35am

re: #8 wrenchwench

I hope they are naive fools, because they can get over that. If they’re drinking the Haterade*, we may have lost them.

*_{is that your invention, iceweasel? because I just stole it…}

I think a lot of young people and I say this as a 24 year old who has never supported Ron Paul period are attracted to the anti drug war, anti war, and “pro freedom” message he has. That causes them to overlook the fact that Paul is a kook. I don’t like it but it’s youthful naivete at its worst.

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:01:05am

Some other garbage at this Jaeger “institute”:

In American cultural Marxism, the sainted “victim” groups include blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Feminist women, homosexuals, and, as we noted , bums. — Bill Lind

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:01:13am

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

And less than a week ago he said we need to be nicer to the mullahs running Iran. He is truly a dangerous kook.

I saw that. Paul’s an idiot on foreign policy and I am being charitable.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:01:57am

re: #1 iceweasel

Cultural Marxism— wasn’t that one of Anders Breivik’s bugaboos? I think so.

Ripped off from Bill Lind, actually.

re: #4 Gus 802

Another way of saying “we don’t want ‘forced’ integration.”

Or, “we want forced segregation.”

Boo hoo, those CULTURAL MARXISTS won’t let us have our whites-only signs anymore.

DON’T THEY KNOW THAT’S FOR PROTECTION OF BOTH RACES, SO WE DON’T KILL THEM EN MASSE!! AND THIS IS HOW THEY THANK US?!?!?!?

Poor us!!!!

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:02:13am

re: #16 Gus 802

Some other garbage at this Jaeger “institute”:

In American cultural Marxism, the sainted “victim” groups include blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Feminist women, homosexuals, and, as we noted , bums. — Bill Lind

And in American right wing bullshit world all those groups oppress the poor rich white straight protestant male. Waaah we’re the real oppressed.

nines09 Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:02:16am

What a proud day for the GOP/TP. Unca Ron is off his meds?

Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:02:40am

Buchanan is attached to this crap too, by the way.

And Chuck Baldwin.

And Nelson Hultberg, one of Dick Armey’s pals.

And Peter Lillback, favored guest of Glenn Beck.

And John McManus, president of the John Birch Society.

And G. E. Griffin, a total whackjob who, among other things, is against fractional reserve banking and promotes laetrile as a cure for cancer.

But Ron Paul’s economic views have now been mainstreamed in the GOP.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:02:54am

re: #5 OhNoZombies!

Well…
That should lock up the Jewish votes.
And here I thought he was antisemitic.

“The Zionist leadership betrayed the Jews of Europe…”

Oh, that one is a classic. Every anti-Israel nut gets to it sooner or later.

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:03:11am

re: #18 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ripped off from Bill Lind, actually.

re: #4 Gus 802

Or, “we want forced segregation.”

William S. Lind:

William S. Lind (born July 9, 1947) is an American expert on military affairs and a pundit on cultural conservatism.

Criticism

Bill Berkowitz, in an article for the Southern Poverty Law Center, described William Lind as the one person “who has done the most to define the enemies who make up the so-called ‘cultural Marxists.’” [8] According to the SPLC, in 1999 Lind wrote, “The real damage to race relations in the South came, not from slavery, but Reconstruction, which would not have occurred if the South had won.”

Journalist Thomas E. Ricks in The Atlantic Monthly asserts that Lind’s rhetoric differs from what Ricks calls “standard right-wing American rhetoric of the ’90s” because Lind suggests that the “next real war we fight is likely to be on American soil.”

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:03:55am

re: #16 Gus 802

Some other garbage at this Jaeger “institute”:

In American cultural Marxism, the sainted “victim” groups include blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Feminist women, homosexuals, and, as we noted , bums. — Bill Lind

Ha, check it out.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:04:13am

re: #23 Gus 802

William S. Lind:

Of course if only the South had won, then everything would be just fine. ////

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:04:14am

At this point, I can only take comfort in the reality that after next year, he’ll be gone from D.C. in any capacity except as a tourist or a Fox News “analyst”.

Kronocide Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:04:57am

Oh how I’d love to be in one of those ‘sainted victim’ groups. I’d not be stuck with the burden of being white ~~christian~~ male.

In other words, Louis CK is full of shit.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:05:23am

re: #16 Gus 802

Some other garbage at this Jaeger “institute”:

In American cultural Marxism, the sainted “victim” groups include blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Feminist women, homosexuals, and, as we noted , bums. — Bill Lind

And because I can never resist ‘combine all the categories’, any homeless lesbian feminist of black, Latina and Indian ancestry is considered the living incarnation of God.

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:05:47am

A cornucopia of antisemitism here: jews site:jaegerresearchinstitute.org

Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:06:02am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

“The Zionist leadership betrayed the Jews of Europe…”

Oh, that one is a classic. Every anti-Israel nut gets to it sooner or later.

My favorite: “Hitler was a Zionist”

Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:06:10am

re: #14 _RememberTonyC

There’s also Perry’s ties to insane revanchist preachers like Mike Bickle, who things Adolf Hitler was sent by god to hunt Jews.

And the attempt by the GOP in Texas to oust the Jewish speaker and replace him with a Christian.

OhNoZombies! Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:06:18am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn’t know that, but I tend to avoid the details on that stuff.
I get the gist, and move on.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:06:53am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Of course if only the South had won, then everything would be just fine. ///

If you hadn’t been so mean about it, slavery would have ended! Eventually! When the time was right! And then we wouldn’t be having all these problems!

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:07:10am

From the ‘column’ link:

Many Jews like myself primarily identify with the welfare of humanity. I was delighted to discover an exciting new online resource for information on the Jewish legacy and influence.

“WHEN VICTIMS RULE”

“When Victims Rule: A Critique of Jewish Pre-Eminence in America” is a unique 2000 page online data base featuring approximately 10,000 citations from about 4,000 bibliographic sources (117 pages of sources, mainly from the mass media, scholarly books, and Jewish ethnic media sources) addressing the Jewish reality.

It was prepared by the “Crosswinds Collective” an anonymous group “to elicit public discussion… It is against all forms of bigotry. Criticizing the wealthiest ethnic group in America and any expression of its ethnocentrism, in-group solidarity, racism, unethical behavior, dual moral standards, political influence, dedication to a foreign nation, and exertion of power is not bigotry. It is one of our most elemental rights in a free society: to expose the bias, hypocrisy and injustice of influential power elites that affect all our lives.”

The “Crosswinds Collective” is also popular at Stormfront.

Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:07:38am

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

And when it ended blacks would have been better off economically than under reconstruction because shut up that’s why.

A lot of the arguments seem to end the same way these days.

Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:08:12am

re: #34 jaunte

From the ‘column’ link:

The “Crosswinds Collective” is also popular at Stormfront.

“Jews like myself”

Who is this AssAChew?

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:08:29am

re: #29 Gus 802

A cornucopia of antisemitism here: jews site:jaegerresearchinstitute.org

I didn’t even click on anything, and could check off a dozen classics just by reading the snippets.

Good times.

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:09:07am

re: #36 Alouette

He says his name is Henry Makow:
[Link: www.google.com…]

iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:09:16am

re: #23 Gus 802

Lind suggests that the “next real war we fight is likely to be on American soil.”

That’s nice.

nines09 Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:09:26am

re: #35 Obdicut

And when it ended blacks would have been better off economically than under reconstruction because shut up that’s why.

A lot of the arguments seem to end the same way these days.

Another great one is; “You know. Yeah. Ya know?”

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:10:54am

re: #39 iceweasel

That’s nice.

Sure sounds familiar. No surprise at all seeing Ron Paul hooked up with this bunch. No surprise seeing the Tea Party in the wings either.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:10:59am

re: #35 Obdicut

And when it ended blacks would have been better off economically than under reconstruction because shut up that’s why.

A lot of the arguments seem to end the same way these days.

Slavery ended very abruptly! It was a shock! It messed everyone up! The blacks especially! Which is why we’re still having problems!! Nearly a hundred and fifty years later!! YOU CAN’T RUSH THESE THINGS!!

jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:11:25am

re: #39 iceweasel

That’s nice.

Wasn’t the last time a war fought on American Soil in the 19th century?

Kronocide Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:11:34am

At first, I was, like, cultural marxism.

But then, I was, like, economic family values.

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:11:42am

Henry Makow looks like an all-purpose conspiracy nut.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:11:44am

Speaking of slavery, did anyone see the mockumentary CSA? My favorite parts of that were the commercials.

zora Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:12:09am

re: #30 Alouette

i hadn’t heard that one. i hope to never hear it again.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:12:23am

re: #23 Gus 802

William S. Lind:

[also]

“Lind was formerly the Director of the Center for Cultural Conservatism at the Free Congress Foundation. He advocates a Declaration of Cultural Independence by cultural conservatives in the United States, in the belief that the federal government ceased to represent their interests and began to coerce them into negative behavior and affect their culture in a negative fashion. The Center believes that American culture and its institutions are headed for a collapse and that cultural conservatives should separate themselves from the calamity that it foresees” blahblahbigotedblah…

Also worth it to note: Robert Spencer was an adjunct something-or-other/whatever at Free Congress Foundation, a Paul Weyrich ([Link: www.EvenWorseThanTheKochBros.com)…] getup.

Someone earlier mentioned why the rwnj right can’t stand high voter turnout. Class-act Weyrich:

Youtube Video

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:12:29am

re: #35 Obdicut

And when it ended blacks would have been better off economically than under reconstruction because shut up that’s why.

A lot of the arguments seem to end the same way these days.

And there wouldn’t have been as much division and hate, because folks in the South weren’t as racist as up in the North! I know because when I grew up, my town didn’t like the Klan and didn’t treat black folks bad (granted, there were no black folks besides one family, but still)!

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:13:24am

re: #38 jaunte

He says his name is Henry Makow:
[Link: www.google.com…]

Also known as henry @ savethemales. ca

He’s an anti-feminist writer in his spare time.

He MAY also be the guy who wrote a memoir about finding twoo wuv with a retail bride in the Philippines—I would say mail order, but he went to pick her up.

Cankles McCellulite Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:13:25am

There is a reason why white christian nationalists from South Africa to Canada LOVE Ron Paul.
He scares me.

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:15:49am

re: #48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also worth it to note: Robert Spencer was an adjunct something-or-other/whatever at Free Congress Foundation, a Paul Weyrich ([Link: www.EvenWorseThanTheKochBros.com)…] getup.

Someone earlier mentioned why the rwnj right can’t stand high voter turnout. Class-act Weyrich:

[Video]

Yep. They’re all right up there with Weyrich and Joseph Coors. It’s the legacy of Heritage and the JBS. It’s also the legacy of the new Republican Party. There’s no sense in playing “no true Scotsman” here either. This is beyond Ron Paul himself. This that we read now is reflective of the Republican Party as a whole.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:05am

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Wasn’t the last time a war fought on American Soil in the 19th century?

I guess in WWII you could consider Pearl Harbor, and the attacks on Oregon in 1942, but those both stand out as unique events. What constitutes ‘fighting’ a war on soil?

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:29am

re: #45 jaunte

Henry Makow looks like an all-purpose conspiracy nut.

Basically. Plus, he’s a PhD!

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:34am

re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And there wouldn’t have been as much division and hate, because folks in the South weren’t as racist as up in the North! I know because when I grew up, my town didn’t like the Klan and didn’t treat black folks bad (granted, there were no black folks besides one family, but still)!

//

And MY FAMILY was BEST FRIENDS with them!

WHAT! STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT!!!

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:36am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Speaking of slavery, did anyone see the mockumentary CSA? My favorite parts of that were the commercials.

It’s on my list.

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:38am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh. Here’s one of his titles:
“Gloria Steinem - How the CIA used Feminism to Destabilize Society!”

Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:40am

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Wasn’t the last time a war fought on American Soil in the 19th century?

9/11/2001

Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:16:57am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Basically. Plus, he’s a PhD!

Piled High and Deep

iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:17:45am

re: #57 jaunte

Heh. Here’s one of his titles:
“Gloria Steinem - How the CIA used Feminism to Destabilize Society!”

It all makes sense now. Feminism is a CIA plot, because we little ladies couldn’t possibly have come up with it on our own.

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:17:47am

Another:
“Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati!”

iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:18:11am

re: #59 Alouette

Piled High and Deep

I read that as “piled High and Derp”.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:18:13am

re: #55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My house own…er, had a black maid and we all treated her like one of the family! No, I don’t remember her name!

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:18:31am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Basically. Plus, he’s a PhD!

Well, a dead PhD.

Save the males!!!

Boo hoo, rewarding a female with my attentions is now called sexual assault, poor me!!!

Asshole.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:18:38am

re: #58 Alouette

9/11/2001

Though about that as well—does a terrorist attack by a non-nation organization fall under that rubric?

funky chicken Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:18:56am

re: #1 iceweasel

Cultural Marxism— wasn’t that one of Anders Breivik’s bugaboos? I think so.

Somewhere there is a deep well of haterade, and all these tools go down to drink from it.

Too bad they don’t all get giardia.

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:19:25am

OT and speaking of conservative racism. Here’s the latest screed from the wingnut professor himself Victor Davis Hanson:

Again, the comparison with Obama is volatile: Cain is authentically African-American and of an age to remember the Jim Crow South; Obama, the son of an elite Kenyan and a white graduate student, came of age as a Hawaiian prep-schooler, whose civil-rights credentials are academic. Cain’s lack of experience and seemingly embarrassing ignorance about the right of return or nuclear China are amplified by his unaffected style, whereas Obama’s similar gaffes (57 states) and buffoonery (inflating tires to preclude drilling for oil) are mitigated by metrosexual cool. After all, we live in an age when Herman Cain, with his black hat, his deep Southern cadences, and his ease among tea-party crowds, is suspect, whereas Barack Obama booms on about “millionaires and billionaires” while golfing, jetting to Martha’s Vineyard, and shaking down demonized corporate-jet owners at $35,000 a pop.

Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:19:45am

re: #63 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

“I was very close to my black servant growing up, just like Strom Thurmond.”

jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:19:56am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Though about that as well—does a terrorist attack by a non-nation organization fall under that rubric?

I’m with you SFZ, honestly I don’t consider there to be “a war being fought on X countries soil” until soldiers in uniform belonging to non allied country Y set foot on it.

recusancy Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:20:01am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Though about that as well—does a terrorist attack by a non-nation organization fall under that rubric?

If it does then abortion clinics being bombed and white supremacists bombing parade routes count too.

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:21:10am

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess in WWII you could consider Pearl Harbor, and the attacks on Oregon in 1942, but those both stand out as unique events. What constitutes ‘fighting’ a war on soil?

Trenches and spent artillery shells would be my guest.

Most of our experience in the 20th century is at a step removed from that. Minor incidents like those you mention, a Japanese I-boat tossing some shells at a refinery, etc. The German U-boat campaign off the East Coast in 1942 (Operation Drumbeat) is probably the largest since it brought home the need for blackouts and the fact that debris and bodies were washing up on the beaches.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:21:12am

re: #57 jaunte

Heh. Here’s one of his titles:
“Gloria Steinem - How the CIA used Feminism to Destabilize Society!”

I’m imagining Gloria Steinem and the well connected network that was the CIA at that time having a good laugh about how they’re going to use feminism to destablize society.
CIA Director Helms: Gloria you keep on telling them that women need to be respected as men. It’s all part of our masterplan to ruin society.
Gloria Steinem: Yes, Mr. Director. Operation Equality is going awesomely.
Helms: Very well, I just hope someone doesn’t find out the truth about us because the idea of me and you conspiring to destablize society is too good to be true.
Both: *laugh evilly*

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:21:43am

re: #68 Obdicut

“I was very close to my black servant growing up, just like Strom Thurmond.”

And POOR ME, these days N.O.W. calls it “rape”!! The nerve!!!

recusancy Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:21:59am

“The Republican Party has totally abdicated its job in our democracy, which is to act as the guardian of fiscal discipline and responsibility. They’re on an anti-tax jihad — one that benefits the prosperous classes.”

— Former Reagan budget director David Stockman [Link: politicalwire.com…]

iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:22:05am

re: #67 Gus 802

OT and speaking of conservative racism. Here’s the latest screed from the wingnut professor himself Victor Davis Hanson:

Mitigated by metrosexual cool? heh.

shaking down demonized corporate-jet owners at $35,000 a pop.

Demonized corporate jet owners— the true underclass.

funky chicken Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:22:17am

re: #57 jaunte

Heh. Here’s one of his titles:
“Gloria Steinem - How the CIA used Feminism to Destabilize Society!”

Jeez, nuts from all sides love to bash the CIA. Gloria Steinem would find this accusation hilarious. I hope somebody brings it to her attention.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:22:19am

re: #67 Gus 802

OT and speaking of conservative racism. Here’s the latest screed from the wingnut professor himself Victor Davis Hanson:

Okay fuck VDH in the ear big time. This is the same crap that nativists used on whites who they felt weren’t really “white”.

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:22:30am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

“Now we’ll make it possible for the smartest people to get to the top jobs.. that will really screw things up!”

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:22:47am

re: #60 iceweasel

It all makes sense now. Feminism is a CIA plot, because we little ladies couldn’t possibly have come up with it on our own.

Apparently at one point in the early 70s the FBI had a file open on, among other people, “Elizabeth Katie Stanton”. It apparently took them a while to figure out who this often-referenced woman was.

Per the report I read, the FBI agents assigned to track various feminist groups in Berkeley finally all sent back reports with the same conclusion—many of these women are active in a lot of other political groups, some of which could be problems, but this one’s about discussing women’s rights. They talk a lot about equal pay, and child care. Can I get off this detail?

Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:23:02am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Speaking of slavery, did anyone see the mockumentary CSA? My favorite parts of that were the commercials.

Confederate Pledge of Allegiance from CSA

Youtube Video

CSA insurance commercial

Youtube Video

Promo for CSARunaway reality show:

Youtube Video

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:23:11am

re: #75 iceweasel

Mitigated by metrosexual cool? heh.

Demonized corporate jet owners— the true underclass.

Do not weep for thy corporate jet owners for they shall inherit the Earth.

lawhawk Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:23:13am

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Not counting 9/11, you’d have American territories attacked during WWII including Attu and Kiska in Alaska as well as Hawaii. And the Japanese barrage balloons that landed in a few places across the continental US.

_RememberTonyC Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:23:23am

re: #31 Obdicut

There’s also Perry’s ties to insane revanchist preachers like Mike Bickle, who things Adolf Hitler was sent by god to hunt Jews.

And the attempt by the GOP in Texas to oust the Jewish speaker and replace him with a Christian.

Perry is out there too. I never had any use for him either.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:23:53am

re: #57 jaunte

Heh. Here’s one of his titles:
“Gloria Steinem - How the CIA used Feminism to Destabilize Society!”

That used to be up on Alex Jones’ site, on some “Moral Meltdown” page of his.

I used to have to point to that “article” and others there to tell my duped liberal friends that no, just because Alex Jones can’t stand the Bush Administration either does not mean he is a liberal. He hates you, dorks.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:24:14am

re: #70 recusancy

If it does then abortion clinics being bombed and white supremacists bombing parade routes count too.

Yeah. I don’t think so. I agree w/James, I think you actually have to have two military or quasi-military organizations contending for control of land or air space.

Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:24:29am

#OccupyPortland Firebombs Portland’s WTC Conference Center

Liveleak Video

Police: Downtown Molotov Cocktail Linked To Occupy Portland

Portland police say an improvised incendiary device was set off outside a downtown office building and they’re investigating a possible link to the Occupy Portland camp.

Lt. Robert King says a Molotov cocktail caused minor damage Tuesday night on an external stairwell. The building is located one block east of the two parks where Occupy Portland demonstrators have been camped since Oct. 6.

King says “there’s preliminary information available that indicates a connection” to Occupy Portland. He declined to say whether that information links the incident to specific people.

The incident occurred at the World Trade Center, which houses the headquarters for Oregon’s largest electric utility, state offices, a number of law firms and the office of U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley.

jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:24:41am

re: #67 Gus 802

Again, the comparison with Obama is volatile: Cain is authentically African-American and of an age to remember the Jim Crow South; Obama, the son of an elite Kenyan and a white graduate student, came of age as a Hawaiian prep-schooler, whose civil-rights credentials are academic. Cain’s lack of experience and seemingly embarrassing ignorance about the right of return or nuclear China are amplified by his unaffected style, whereas Obama’s similar gaffes (57 states) and buffoonery (inflating tires to preclude drilling for oil) are mitigated by metrosexual cool.

Good grief.

recusancy Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:24:58am

re: #67 Gus 802

OT and speaking of conservative racism. Here’s the latest screed from the wingnut professor himself Victor Davis Hanson:

Fuck him.

jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:25:19am

re: #74 recusancy

“The Republican Party has totally abdicated its job in our democracy, which is to act as the guardian of fiscal discipline and responsibility. They’re on an anti-tax jihad — one that benefits the prosperous classes.”

— Former Reagan budget director David Stockman [Link: politicalwire.com…]

The director of Leverage says it even better…

[Link: kfmonkey.blogspot.com…]

Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:25:20am

So basically we have scenario here with Victor Davis Hanson. Let’s say VDH is looking to hire a foreign policy expert. Unknown to him we have someone in every respect almost identical to Condi Rice. She calls him up and they arrange for an interview. Finally the day arrive and when this individual show up Mr. Hanson is taken aback, and thinks to himself “funny, she didn’t sound black over the phone.”

iceweasel Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:26:00am

re: #88 recusancy

Fuck him.

Not even with a stolen penis, my friend. /

funky chicken Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:26:58am

re: #67 Gus 802

OT and speaking of conservative racism. Here’s the latest screed from the wingnut professor himself Victor Davis Hanson:

“Authentic African American” = “Where da white women at?”

I’ll admit that Cain was my favorite of the GOP field (talk about damning with faint praise) until the harassment allegations came out. I simply don’t get politicians. He KNEW this crap was in his background. Did he not spend a second thinking about how this would hurt his wife and kids (if he has kids)?

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:26:59am

“So he doesn’t like my name. It’s true I didn’t come on the Mayflower but I came over soon as I could.”
Anton Cermak- Mayor of Chicago

Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:27:00am

Small business council supports evicting Occupy Portland from downtown parks

The Mountain That Blogs Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:27:00am

In the next paragraph after that quote about having a hard time believing that the blood libel is false, that guy refers to himself as “one generally inclined to reject conspiracy theories.”

Why the hell am I even reading this?

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:27:12am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Uh oh. That’s really bad.

recusancy Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:27:16am

How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:27:49am

re: #82 lawhawk

Not counting 9/11, you’d have American territories attacked during WWII including Attu and Kiska in Alaska as well as Hawaii. And the Japanese barrage balloons that landed in a few places across the continental US.

Good catch - I forgot about the Aleutians.

Attu probably the largest case, unless you want to consider the Pacific territories (Wake, Guam, etc.) And then decide what status the Philippines fall under at that time.

Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:28:19am

re: #96 Rightwingconspirator

Uh oh. That’s really bad.

Pretty bad but completely expected. There will be much more of this to come.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:28:38am

re: #67 Gus 802

conservative racism

But Democrat Party!

Robert Byrrrddd!

Our, um, I mean Conservative blacks are called oreos, boohoo snifffff!!!

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:28:40am

re: #67 Gus 802

OT and speaking of conservative racism. Here’s the latest screed from the wingnut professor himself Victor Davis Hanson:

shaking down demonized corporate-jet owners at $35,000 a pop.

Parking meters at private airports! Kewl!

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:28:59am

re: #87 jaunte

Good grief.

Yes - the “No True Negro” fallacy brought out in full color.

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Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:29:11am

re: #100 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But Democrat Party!

Robert Byrrrddd!

Our, um, I mean Conservative blacks are called oreos, boohoo snifff!!!

But Occupy Wall Street!

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Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:29:37am

re: #89 jamesfirecat

Exactly.

At heart, I’m a conservative person. If someone proposes a plan, I want to know how it will work. I want to know the unintended consequences of things. I want to track spending and make sure its having the effect its supposed to. I don’t want regulation for the sake of regulation, I want regulation that actually achieves its goals. I want 0% corporate taxation and much higher personal taxation so that corporations stop rewarded executives on how well they avoid tax and how well they lobby. I want all sorts of ‘conservative’ shit.

But the GOP doesn’t represent any of that. They love regulations if it fits their social agenda. They love spending if it’s on whatever they decide to spend on. They don’t give a shit about actual results, they’re all about ideology.

I really want to be a conservative telling hippies that their dumb plans won’t work. But right now, the average person at OWS is more trustable to me than the average elected official in the GOP, because at least the guy at OWS knows that there’s a real problem here.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:30:25am

re: #71 oaktree

Trenches and spent artillery shells would be my guest.

Most of our experience in the 20th century is at a step removed from that. Minor incidents like those you mention, a Japanese I-boat tossing some shells at a refinery, etc. The German U-boat campaign off the East Coast in 1942 (Operation Drumbeat) is probably the largest since it brought home the need for blackouts and the fact that debris and bodies were washing up on the beaches.

Speaking of U-Boats:

A U-Boat surfaces in the predawn hours off the west coast of Ireland, and a German agent is put ashore, to make contact with a man in a local village, known as Murphy. If he is the right Murphy he will respond to the code phrase “The cow eats grass in the long meadow” with “The grass grows tall in the long meadow.”

Walking down the road, the German runs into a man walking with his dog, herding some sheep. “God with you!” he says in Irish, having been taught the local form.

“God and Mary with you!” says the man. “You’re a stranger here.”

“Yes, I’m looking for a distant relative. A man called Murphy.”

“Oh, everyone around here’s called Murphy. We distinguish ourselves by the jobs we do. There’s Murphy the Priest, and Murphy the Fisherman, and Murphy the Chemist. I’m a Murphy myself, Murphy the Farmer, and pleased to meet you.”

The German thinks—could he be the one? He leans forward and says softly, “The cow eats grass in the long meadow.”

“Ah!” says Murphy the Farmer. “‘Tis Murphy the Spy you want! Why ever didn’t you say so?”

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:31:48am

re: #102 oaktree

Yes - the “No True Negro”* fallacy brought out in full color.

*As defined solely in terms of white conservative bigot comfort levels.

None of this PC anticolonial self-definition crap!!

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:32:30am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Speaking of U-Boats:

A U-Boat surfaces in the predawn hours off the west coast of Ireland, and a German agent is put ashore, to make contact with a man in a local village, known as Murphy. If he is the right Murphy he will respond to the code phrase “The cow eats grass in the long meadow” with “The grass grows tall in the long meadow.”

Walking down the road, the German runs into a man walking with his dog, herding some sheep. “God with you!” he says in Irish, having been taught the local form.

“God and Mary with you!” says the man. “You’re a stranger here.”

“Yes, I’m looking for a distant relative. A man called Murphy.”

“Oh, everyone around here’s called Murphy. We distinguish ourselves by the jobs we do. There’s Murphy the Priest, and Murphy the Fisherman, and Murphy the Chemist. I’m a Murphy myself, Murphy the Farmer, and pleased to meet you.”
Kind of reminds me of Blazing Saddles- all the Johnsons. A cool little andecote about U-Boats though but where I used to vacation there were these old towers from the world wars where lookouts would be on the search for U-Boats.
The German thinks—could he be the one? He leans forward and says softly, “The cow eats grass in the long meadow.”

“Ah!” says Murphy the Farmer. “‘Tis Murphy the Spy you want! Why ever didn’t you say so?”

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William of Orange Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:32:40am

Before we forget!

Happy birthday, Carl Sagan!!

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:32:51am

re: #92 funky chicken

“Authentic African American” = “Where da white women at?”

I’ll admit that Cain was my favorite of the GOP field (talk about damning with faint praise) until the harassment allegations came out. I simply don’t get politicians. He KNEW this crap was in his background. Did he not spend a second thinking about how this would hurt his wife and kids (if he has kids)?

Herman Cain has done a number on them, which they so richly deserve.

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:33:28am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Speaking of U-Boats:

A U-Boat surfaces in the predawn hours off the west coast of Ireland, and a German agent is put ashore, to make contact with a man in a local village, known as Murphy. If he is the right Murphy he will respond to the code phrase “The cow eats grass in the long meadow” with “The grass grows tall in the long meadow.”

Walking down the road, the German runs into a man walking with his dog, herding some sheep. “God with you!” he says in Irish, having been taught the local form.

“God and Mary with you!” says the man. “You’re a stranger here.”

“Yes, I’m looking for a distant relative. A man called Murphy.”

“Oh, everyone around here’s called Murphy. We distinguish ourselves by the jobs we do. There’s Murphy the Priest, and Murphy the Fisherman, and Murphy the Chemist. I’m a Murphy myself, Murphy the Farmer, and pleased to meet you.”

The German thinks—could he be the one? He leans forward and says softly, “The cow eats grass in the long meadow.”

“Ah!” says Murphy the Farmer. “‘Tis Murphy the Spy you want! Why ever didn’t you say so?”

One gets the impression that Guiness is the world’s greatest truth serum. Two pints and everything becomes common knowledge.

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SteveMcG Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:33:44am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

I read somewhere that the British had completely infiltrated the German spy network, with a lot of help from Admiral Canaris.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:33:56am

re: #90 Gus 802

So basically we have scenario here with Victor Davis Hanson. Let’s say VDH is looking to hire a foreign policy expert. Unknown to him we have someone in every respect almost identical to Condi Rice. She calls him up and they arrange for an interview. Finally the day arrive and when this individual show up Mr. Hanson is taken aback, and thinks to himself “funny, she didn’t sound black over the phone.”

Happens often.

Ask me how I know. /

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:34:27am

re: #111 SteveMcG

I read somewhere that the British had completely infiltrated the German spy network, with a lot of help from Admiral Canaris.

Canaris is an interesting guy.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:35:50am

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Apparently there really was an ongoing thing of U-Boats coming into the Irish north west coast to get fresh food and take on water. It was the absolute back of beyond, the Irish were staying out of the war, and apparently it became known as a place where you could stock up on better edibles before going back under and out.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:36:23am

re: #110 oaktree

One gets the impression that Guiness is the world’s greatest truth serum. Two pints and everything becomes common knowledge.

There is no such thing as a secret in a small Irish community.

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Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:36:56am

re: #16 Gus 802

Some other garbage at this Jaeger “institute”:

In American cultural Marxism, the sainted “victim” groups include blacks, Hispanics, Indians, Feminist women, homosexuals, and, as we noted , bums. — Bill Lind

In my experience those complaining about ‘Political Correctness’ are really complaining it’s not their type of ‘Political Correctness.’

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:37:10am

re: #111 SteveMcG

I read somewhere that the British had completely infiltrated the German spy network, with a lot of help from Admiral Canaris.

Could be. Not the era I know most about.

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Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:37:33am

re: #108 William of Orange

Before we forget!

Happy birthday, Carl Sagan!!

Ted Turner interview Carl Sagan.

Youtube Video

Turner asks, “are you a socialist?”

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:37:45am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently there really was an ongoing thing of U-Boats coming into the Irish north west coast to get fresh food and take on water. It was the absolute back of beyond, the Irish were staying out of the war, and apparently it became known as a place where you could stock up on better edibles before going back under and out.

Doesn’t surprise me. There were a lot of Axis sympathizers in Ireland. I’ve heard a story that DeValera was offered Northern Ireland by Churchill if they dropped the neutrality but he declined.

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jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:38:28am

Severe weather continuing:

Superstorm hits Alaska
The storm currently sweeping over Alaska is going to be one of the most severe Bering Strait storms on record. Here’s what Alaska residents, who should really be planning on being Northwest Territories residents temporarily, are in for:

- Wind gusts up to 100 miles per hour in some areas
- Major coastal flooding and beach erosion
- Storm surges up to 10 feet

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:39:08am

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

There is no such thing as a secret in a small Irish community.

Probably true to a certain extent in any small community, especially agrarian. But more fun to give the beer the credit! :)

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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:39:52am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Pretty bad but completely expected. There will be much more of this to come.

As a witness to real riots and destruction, and with some childhood recall of the real troubles we had in the civil rights era, I expect very little real trouble out of Occupy. Anon and the anarchists are another, albeit related matter.

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:40:49am

re: #90 Gus 802

So basically we have scenario here with Victor Davis Hanson. Let’s say VDH is looking to hire a foreign policy expert. Unknown to him we have someone in every respect almost identical to Condi Rice. She calls him up and they arrange for an interview. Finally the day arrive and when this individual show up Mr. Hanson is taken aback, and thinks to himself “funny, she didn’t sound black over the phone.”

I was once invited to an interview (arranged by a secretary) and when I walked into the conference room, one of the interviewers blurted out “We were all expecting a man!” (I have a gender-neutral first name)

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recusancy Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:41:03am

re: #118 Gus 802

Ted Turner interview Carl Sagan.

[Video]Turner asks, “are you a socialist?”

What year was that?

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:41:11am

This looks to be quite the American hoedown, everybody seems more or less upbeat yet down with* what’s happening in the political arena. That’s good to see.

_{*That should be read ‘down with’ not ‘down, with’.}

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Kragar Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:41:36am

Cain Campaign: We Swear We’re Not Just Making Stuff Up

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Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:41:37am

re: #120 jaunte

Severe weather continuing:

AGAIN…THIS WILL BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND LIFE THREATENING
STORM OF AN EPIC MAGNITUDE RARELY EXPERIENCED. ALL PEOPLE IN THE AREA SHOULD TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO SAFEGUARD THEIR LIVES AND PROPERTY. — NOAA

NOAA said epic!

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Gus Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:42:09am

re: #124 recusancy

What year was that?

1989

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Targetpractice Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:43:43am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cain Campaign: We Swear We’re Not Just Making Stuff Up

Makes you wonder where they’re getting their info from, The Onion?

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:44:07am

re: #116 Romantic Heretic

In my experience those complaining about ‘Political Correctness’ are really complaining it’s not their type of ‘Political Correctness.’

Indian killing, Trails of Tears, Alien Land Laws, Fugitive Slave Acts, quotas against Jews, quotas on immigration, Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad, Buck v Bell, eugenics boards and anti-miscegenation laws = the original identity politics.

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jaunte Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:44:48am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Based upon information available at the time of Mr. Block’s Tuesday night interview on Fox News, the campaign was led to believe that Mr. Josh Kraushaar, currently with the National Journal and a former employee of Politico, was the son of Karen Kraushaar,” campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon said. “We have since learned that is not the case.”

“We were making it up back then, but you caught us.”

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:45:07am

re: #129 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Makes you wonder where they’re getting their info from, The Onion?

The Onion has more credibility. And I’m waiting for them to start mixing in *real* news stories with the parodies in order to completely screw people up.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:45:43am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me. There were a lot of Axis sympathizers in Ireland. I’ve heard a story that DeValera was offered Northern Ireland by Churchill if they dropped the neutrality but he declined.

The Anglo-Irish, of course, largely sent their sons into the war, and there were a lot of Irish volunteers as well. It was a very complicated issue, and IMHO, de Valera made the wrong damn choice.

My father floated an idea for an alternate history novel once, where England falls, or is on the verge, and Ireland is the last rock for the Allies to make a stand on. I suggested that for this to work, de Valera should be stepped on by a horse, or shot, or something.

There’s a plotline in “Light A Penny Candle”, where the oldest son of the Irish family the book is about runs off, at fifteen or sixteen, to join the British Army. A friend told him you can just tell them that your birth certificate was destroyed when the GPO burned—no one in England knows when that was. His father is furious, and won’t talk about him after that. He dies fighting in Italy. The arguments between he and his father leading up to this are very interesting—the boy sees it as a simple obligation to save Europe from the Nazis, and his father sees this as just another way for the Brits to get Irish boys killed fighting for their empire.

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:46:53am

re: #131 jaunte

“We were making it up back then, but you caught us.”

I suggest they get the Kochs to supply more money so that the campaign can afford some staff dedicated to fact-checking…

Saves on laundry bills for cleaning the egg off their faces.

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lawhawk Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:47:16am

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

I concur. I don’t see the OWS here in Zuccotti Park carrying out all kinds of violence. There might be anarchists and outliers who might disagree, but this is a largely peaceful group that has taken over the park. Note too that nearly all of the arrests have been outside the park’s boundaries when other groups have gotten involved in protest marches or demonstrations outside areas of the park.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that the protesters respect the NYPD, but there’s a level of understanding that there are lines not to be crossed - and that includes vandalism and other criminal acts - particularly of surrounding buildings and structures. At least that’s what I get from the bulk of those in the park.

That isn’t to say that there hasn’t been petty thefts within the park, and the allegations of sexual assaults within the park are quite troubling, but that’s not an outgrowth of OWS, but that anyone and everyone can get down to the Park and congregate there no matter how unbalanced mentally they may be or whether they’re coming down there to take advantage of the situation (free food, staying outside without being accosted by cops, etc.).

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:48:50am

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

The Anglo-Irish, of course, largely sent their sons into the war, and there were a lot of Irish volunteers as well. It was a very complicated issue, and IMHO, de Valera made the wrong damn choice.

My father floated an idea for an alternate history novel once, where England falls, or is on the verge, and Ireland is the last rock for the Allies to make a stand on. I suggested that for this to work, de Valera should be stepped on by a horse, or shot, or something.

There’s a plotline in “Light A Penny Candle”, where the oldest son of the Irish family the book is about runs off, at fifteen or sixteen, to join the British Army. A friend told him you can just tell them that your birth certificate was destroyed when the GPO burned—no one in England knows when that was. His father is furious, and won’t talk about him after that. He dies fighting in Italy. The arguments between he and his father leading up to this are very interesting—the boy sees it as a simple obligation to save Europe from the Nazis, and his father sees this as just another way for the Brits to get Irish boys killed fighting for their empire.

I think he did too. Yeah a lot of Irish wrongly saw the war as being a British empire folly which for the legitimate criticisms that can be made of Brit imperialism it was not.

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funky chicken Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:53:23am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cain Campaign: We Swear We’re Not Just Making Stuff Up

It’s kind of a shame, really. I saw her picture and thought she looked FABULOUS for a woman who was old enough to have a son who is a professional reporter.

Oh well. LOL.

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JAFO Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:54:53am

re: #129 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Makes you wonder where they’re getting their info from, The Onion?

Free Republic threads most likely.

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funky chicken Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:55:51am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Small business council supports evicting Occupy Portland from downtown parks

There’s a lot of anarchist douchebags around the Portland area, right? Hopefully OWS leadership can marginalize them. The anti-war folks around there didn’t, and it really hurt their cause and image.

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William of Orange Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:59:01am

Your humor break for today. Seriously, you need it.

Respect for the men and women in uniform!!

They take their job very serious!

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:59:28am

re: #139 funky chicken

There’s a lot of anarchist douchebags around the Portland area, right? Hopefully OWS leadership can marginalize them. The anti-war folks around there didn’t, and it really hurt their cause and image.

The core problem facing OWS is that they have very little means to neutralize or marginalize anyone, and an ideological slant that makes doing so both difficult and not necessarily desireable.

In other words, “What OWS leadership?”

On the news the other night, there was a pleasant middle-aged guy who was marching with Occupy Oakland, talking about how upset he was when the fringies started breaking windows—and then how his faith in people was restored when other Occupistas yelled at them, and started cleaning up.

This is great, but at the same time, how effective is it to have a big march, in which you know some people will cause damage to property, and the rest of you will try to make amends by sweeping up the glass?

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Olsonist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:59:33am

Can someone give me a quick explanation on why they consider Ron Paul an anti-semite? He’s a bit nutty and so he attracts a nutty following to be sure. But is there a smoking gun? Any quotes?

I’m a socialist/progressive myself but then it appears that I have Paulian friends.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:01:44am

re: #142 Olsonist

Can someone give me a quick explanation on why they consider Ron Paul an anti-semite? He’s a bit nutty and so he attracts a nutty following to be sure. But is there a smoking gun? Any quotes?

I’m a socialist/progressive myself but then it appears that I have Paulian friends.

I consider him someone who will hang out with known anti-Semites, and for that, see above. I don’t know if there’s a smoking gun on he himself, but his poor taste in friends is telling to me.

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Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:04:38am

re: #142 Olsonist

Two main reasons:

1. His associations with white supremacists. He refused to return a donation from Don Black, a virulent white supremacist.

2. He’s called Israel evil, said the Mossad may have been behind 9/11.

Other stuff:

His opposition to the civil rights movement, which had a large Jewish component to it, and his opposition to separation of church and state. His insanely racist newsletters, which, while they mainly targeted blacks, were generally ‘whites are the best’.

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Lidane Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:07:17am

re: #112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Happens often.

Ask me how I know. /

Heh. I *still* get the “But you don’t look/sound Mexican!” reaction sometimes. I think it’s hilarious. WTF am I supposed to sound like? Cheech and Chong?

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Obdicut Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:08:40am

re: #145 Lidane

To put white people at their ease, just say ‘esse’ every fifth word.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:09:33am

re: #144 Obdicut

Two main reasons:

1. His associations with white supremacists. He refused to return a donation from Don Black, a virulent white supremacist.

2. He’s called Israel evil, said the Mossad may have been behind 9/11.

Other stuff:

His opposition to the civil rights movement, which had a large Jewish component to it, and his opposition to separation of church and state. His insanely racist newsletters, which, while they mainly targeted blacks, were generally ‘whites are the best’.

And now some stuff I didn’t know.

I was barely aware of Ron Paul before I started reading here, and you know, I was OK with that!!

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:10:41am

re: #145 Lidane

Heh. I *still* get the “But you don’t look/sound Mexican!” reaction sometimes. I think it’s hilarious. WTF am I supposed to sound like? Cheech and Chong?

You’re supposed to have a heavy accent, and be wearing a tight dress with ruffles, of course.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:11:44am

re: #146 Obdicut

To put white people at their ease, just say ‘esse’ every fifth word.

Note: When teaching essay writing to a classroom with many Mexican-American boys in it, expect hilarity. The essays will be finished before the joke gets old.

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William of Orange Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:12:05am

re: #118 Gus 802

Ted Turner interview Carl Sagan.

[Video]Turner asks, “are you a socialist?”

Amazing. A simple question and then a five-minute answer. What a talent we’ve lost when he died. I put him on par with Freddie Mercury, another great talent, albeit in a different field. The things Sagan said in this simple 10-minute video still hold water and are still relevant!

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Olsonist Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:15:12am

Yeah, my thing with RP is that I can usually get about a minute into one of his speeches before it starts to sound like gibberish. But what I don’t get is that I have friends who are Paulians. In fact, I have a Jewish friend from way back who donated $500 to his campaign in 2008.

Maybe he’s a political Rorschach test. I’ve always thought of him and especially his son as con artists.

I think it’s just embarrassing for us as a country to have Cain, Paul, Bachmann, Palin, Gingrich, Perry in the national conversation.

Just embarrassing.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:20:52am

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re supposed to have a heavy accent, and be wearing a tight dress with ruffles, of course.

Just think of how much easier things would be if we were all naked.

_{Did I just say that out loud?}

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RadicalModerate Wed, Nov 9, 2011 12:49:03pm

re: #21 Obdicut

Buchanan is attached to this crap too, by the way.

And Chuck Baldwin.

And Nelson Hultberg, one of Dick Armey’s pals.

And Peter Lillback, favored guest of Glenn Beck.

And John McManus, president of the John Birch Society.

And G. E. Griffin, a total whackjob who, among other things, is against fractional reserve banking and promotes laetrile as a cure for cancer.

But Ron Paul’s economic views have now been mainstreamed in the GOP.

Here’s another one, from just over a year ago - and still on Ron Paul’s website:

The Honor of Ron Paul - by Joe Sobran

Who is Joeseph Sobran, you ask?

Joe Sobran was famously fired by William Buckley from the National Review in 1993 for his antisemitic views, and regularly wrote articles and made speaking appearances supporting Holocaust denial.

From his Wikipedia entry:

In 2001 and 2003 Sobran spoke at conferences organized by Holocaust denier David Irving,[9] sharing the podium with Paul Fromm, Charles D. Provan, and Mark Weber, director of the Institute for Historical Review. In 2002 he spoke at the Institute for Historical Review’s annual conference.[10] In his speech, which he also reprinted in his newsletter, Sobran said:

I am not, heaven forbid, a “Holocaust denier.” I lack the scholarly competence to be one. … Why on earth is it ‘anti-Jewish’ to conclude from the evidence that the standard numbers of Jews murdered are inaccurate, or that the Hitler regime, bad as it was in many ways, was not, in fact, intent on racial extermination? Surely these are controversial conclusions; but if so, let the controversy rage.[11]

Of course, Pat Buchanan describes the late Sobran as “perhaps the finest columnist of our generation”.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 1:23:37pm

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel

Confederate Pledge of Allegiance from CSA

[Video]

Heh. Wow, that first video isn’t even available to watch in Germany.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 1:32:45pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

#OccupyPortland Firebombs Portland’s WTC Conference Center

wtf? The text of that article does not warrant the assuredness of claiming a connection nor the sweeping implication of the whole event.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Nov 9, 2011 1:34:50pm

re: #155 000G

wtf? The text of that article does not warrant the assuredness of claiming a connection nor the sweeping implication of the whole event.

Don’t you know? Preliminary information=proven fact.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 1:46:13pm

re: #104 Obdicut

Exactly.

At heart, I’m a conservative person. If someone proposes a plan, I want to know how it will work. I want to know the unintended consequences of things. I want to track spending and make sure its having the effect its supposed to. I don’t want regulation for the sake of regulation, I want regulation that actually achieves its goals. I want 0% corporate taxation and much higher personal taxation so that corporations stop rewarded executives on how well they avoid tax and how well they lobby. I want all sorts of ‘conservative’ shit.

But the GOP doesn’t represent any of that. They love regulations if it fits their social agenda. They love spending if it’s on whatever they decide to spend on. They don’t give a shit about actual results, they’re all about ideology.

I really want to be a conservative telling hippies that their dumb plans won’t work. But right now, the average person at OWS is more trustable to me than the average elected official in the GOP, because at least the guy at OWS knows that there’s a real problem here.

This is awesome.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 2:05:49pm

re: #112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Happens often.

Ask me how I know. /

How do you know?

Youtube Video

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 3:56:12pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

On the news the other night, there was a pleasant middle-aged guy who was marching with Occupy Oakland, talking about how upset he was when the fringies started breaking windows—and then how his faith in people was restored when other Occupistas yelled at them, and started cleaning up.

This is great, but at the same time, how effective is it to have a big march, in which you know some people will cause damage to property, and the rest of you will try to make amends by sweeping up the glass?

Maybe not effective, but just, no? As long as the problems are identified and adressed, the movement stays morally pure.

The real problem seems to be whether and if so how to transform the rebellion into a revolution.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Nov 9, 2011 4:04:56pm

re: #153 RadicalModerate

Here’s another one, from just over a year ago - and still on Ron Paul’s website:

The Honor of Ron Paul - by Joe Sobran

The Daily Paul is not “Ron Paul’s website”. See for instance [Link: www.dailypaul.com…]

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