Official CainTruth.com Website Attacks Herman Cain's Accusers

Official CainTruth.com Website Attacks Herman Cain’s Accusers

Cain’s unbelievable new website

WingnutsNovember 2011 • Views: 27,998

Herman Cain has launched a website called “caintruth.com,” along with a series of Google advertisements promoting it (they’ve appeared here at LGF, because Google Adsense serves ads based on keywords in the page’s text).

caintruth.com is apparently dedicated to attacking and smearing the women accusing him of sexual harassment, and the lead article today is: Investigator: Herman Cain innocent of sexual advances.

Whoa — an “investigator” has cleared Cain of the charges? That sounds like big news!

Except that, of course, it’s not. The article linked at caintruth.com is about a crack private investigator named “TJ Ward” who determined that Cain was innocent with the use of a magic software program that can tell when people are lying … through the TV set!

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) - Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.

Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence.

Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better. Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people’s voices.

CBS Atlanta’s Mike Paluska played Cain’s speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain’s every word.

If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here,” said Ward. “He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of.”

Who says right wingers are anti-science? He analyzed Cain with software! Expensive scientific software that detects lies! What more proof do you need?

Not only that — this incredible lie detecting $15,000 program also determined that Sharon Bialek was definitely lying!

During the section of Bialek’s news conference where she says, “He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch.”

During the analysis of that section the software said “high risk statement.” Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened.

“I don’t think she is fabricating her meetings,” said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired.”

This is Cain’s idea of a defense, amazingly enough. Of course, he doesn’t have to try very hard, because the right wing base that put him on top of the polls simply doesn’t care whether he’s a scumbag and serial harasser of women; in fact, some of them (see: Rush Limbaugh) seem to admire him all the more for it.

UPDATE at 11/10/11 11:52:37 am

From a commenter at the CBS Atlanta website linked above: apparently “TJ Ward” is actually Jerry Ward, based in Alpharetta, GA, and he’s a donor to the Herman Cain campaign.

Ward’s website lists an Alpharetta address; a search for “Ward” in Georgia at opensecrets.org shows a Jerry Ward in Alpharetta who donated $250 to the Herman Cain campaign.

Oops.

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129 comments

Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:44:36am

The article linked at CainTruth.com is about a crack private investigator named “TJ Ward” who determined that Cain was innocent with the use of a magic software program that can tell when people are lying … through the TV set!

I have heat maps of jpegs taken from both press conferences which refute his claims.

erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:45:14am

I state, with low risk, that the whole thing is a giant crock of crap, and that I'm unsurprised Cain is stooping to it.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:45:28am

I seriously wonder what the point of this is. The man has not bothered to set up proper campaign centers in any major states and seems to have a completely fly by night bid at the election. It is deeply not clear to me that he is a real candidate.

My hypothesis is:

It seems likely to me that the GOP powers that be - that wanted a token black "of their own" as Coulter so clearly put it- can't afford to have their token besmirched by his past misdeeds and thus ruin the illusion of inclusion in the GOP. This even if he was never intended to win. I suppose it is also an easy jab at all of those "uppity women" who get int eh way of business by demanding to be treated with dignity in the work place.

erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:45:33am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your heat maps are photoshopped. I can tell from the pixels.

Targetpractice Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:46:37am

Wait, I thought it'd had been proven "at the time" that the accusations made by the first two women were "baseless." So, why isn't Cain calling on the NRA or whoever did the original investigations to release their reports? Surely if the legwork is already done, we can see it for ourselves.

Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:46:53am

I can tell from the bumps on his head that he's not lying, but unfortunately his mons of mars on his right hand isn't very well-developed so obviously he's not fit to be commander in chief.

Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:46:59am

re: #4 erik_t

Your heat maps are photoshopped. I can tell from the pixels.

Pff, no one uses pixels anymore.

bratwurst Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:47:06am

I wonder if this is the same investigator that Donald Trump hired to dig around in Hawaii for Obama's REAL birth certificate.

Sionainn Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:48:07am

re: #4 erik_t

Your heat maps are photoshopped. I can tell from the pixels.

Layers!1!

Kragar Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:48:11am

I guess TJ Ward is another one of those experts chosen to solve a problem that Herman Cain said he would turn to when he became President.

engineer cat Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:49:11am

Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people’s voices.

the $15,000 figure is truly amusing. i wonder how much he paid for the dousing rod

jaunte Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:49:28am

Cain's campaign continues to want me to believe Rachel Maddow's speculation that the whole thing is an elaborate 'art project'

HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:49:38am

Why does Cain have a safety from the Cleveland Browns doing lie detector tests? And seriously that's their "proof." What a joke the whole campaign is.

albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:49:46am

high tech voodoo....
awesome

Charles Johnson Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:50:19am

From a comment at the CBS Atlanta website -- apparently "TJ Ward" is actually Jerry Ward, based in Alpharetta, GA, and he is a donor to the Herman Cain campaign.

Ward's website lists an Alpharetta address:

[Link: tjwardpi.com...]

A search for "Ward" in Georgia at Opensecrets.org shows a Jerry Ward in Alpharetta who donated $250 to the Herman Cain campaign.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

Oops.

dragonfire1981 Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:50:30am

Ten bucks says TJ Ward is a pseudonym for Jim Hoft.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:50:54am

re: #15 Charles

From a comment at the CBS Atlanta website -- apparently "TJ Ward" is actually Jerry Ward, based in Alpharetta, GA, and he is a donor to the Herman Cain campaign.

Ward's website lists an Alpharetta address:

[Link: tjwardpi.com...]

A search for "Ward" in Georgia at Opensecrets.org shows a Jerry Ward in Alpharetta who donated $250 to the Herman Cain campaign.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

Oops.

Good catch! That should be an update.

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:51:42am

Sounds like TJ Ward was using the GT200 molecular detector.

Youtube Video

erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:51:43am

re: #15 Charles

Derpcon 2.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:53:43am

re: #18 wrenchwench

Sounds like TJ Ward was using the GT200 molecular detector.

[Video]

It's all molecules these days.
//

Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:56:50am

re: #15 Charles

Their technology is bullshit:

A 2006 study at the University of Florida for the Counterintelligence Field Activity concluded that LVA did not show any sensitivity to the presence of deception or stress. A 2008 study funded by the National Institute of Justice found that neither LVA nor the competing Computer Voice Stress Analyzer (CVSA) were able to detect lies better than random, but its use does deter people from lying, the bogus pipeline effect.

In 2007 two Swedish professors of linguistics, Francisco Lacerda of Stockholm University and Anders Eriksson of Gothenburg University, published an article called "Charlatanry in forensic speech science" in the International Journal of Speech Language and the Law. Here they examined the workings of a Nemesysco product, and showed that it behaved in pseudo-random fashion when purporting to identify spoken lies. Nemesysco demanded that the article should be withdrawn from the online version of the magazine, and the publisher Equinox did so. Nemesysco's lawyers then sent letters to the Swedish professors where they threatened to sue them for defamation if they published similar articles again.

This resulted in criticism of Nemesysco for trying to silence academic research, and of the publisher for not understanding how to manage a scientific journal The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences branded the company's behavior a "serious assault on research freedom"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

More GOP fascination with woo-woo pseudoscience.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:58:02am

re: #21 Obdicut

Their technology is bullshit:

.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

More GOP fascination with woo-woo pseudoscience.

This is the LVA 2.0. It totally works!!
//

Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:58:51am

VIDEO: Protesters 'Occupy' Bachmann event

Ming Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:58:51am

I would really be fascinated to know what's going on inside Herman Cain's family right now. Does his wife believe him? Do his children? It seems unlikely that every one of his family members would be in the same state of denial. (Which may be the only state that Cain can carry at this point.)

RadicalModerate Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:00:08pm

What are you talking about? T.J. Ward was an awesome no-nonsense cop during the early 1980s. There's no way he'd be dishonest.

Wait. That was T.J. Hooker.

kirkspencer Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:00:29pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

I seriously wonder what the point of this is. The man has not bothered to set up proper campaign centers in any major states and seems to have a completely fly by night bid at the election. It is deeply not clear to me that he is a real candidate.

My hypothesis is:

It seems likely to me that the GOP powers that be - that wanted a token black "of their own" as Coulter so clearly put it- can't afford to have their token besmirched by his past misdeeds and thus ruin the illusion of inclusion in the GOP. This even if he was never intended to win. I suppose it is also an easy jab at all of those "uppity women" who get int eh way of business by demanding to be treated with dignity in the work place.

I don't know. No, seriously, I don't know. I think Cain is actually in it to win it, it's just he's handicapped by not having political experience and so is thinking like the CEO/Talk Radio Host he is. Which means basically he's used to controlling the mic and being surrounded by yes-men.

70% of the Republican party is ABR -- Anybody But Romney. The problem is that none of the alternatives are as good; all have major flaws. Cain, bad as he is, is very close to the best of the bunch.

I'm holding to my prediction that Romney will get 30%. If the ABRs can unify, their candidate will win. Otherwise it goes to the convention.

I am, however, firming one prediction. None of them, not even Romney, will defeat Obama. The one major strength they all had is the economy and how Obama was going to get the blame because he was president. The series of recent polls showing half the public thinks the GOP is intentionally blocking recovery means that blame is gone. With that out of the way, the whole Republican race, especially the the thousand-and-one debates, becomes soundbites for the general race. If it's Romney, it'll mirror Bush v Kerry. If it's any of the ABRs, the coattails will be massive.

Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:00:59pm

Breaking: Police respond to apparent shooting in City Hall Park

Police and emergency crews are respond to an apparent shooting at City Hall Park where an Occupy Burlington encampment has been since Oct. 28.

A man was removed from a green tent where blood was evident. There is no information on whether the person is alive or dead. About a half dozen police cars were at the scene at about 2:20 p.m.

engineer cat Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:01:59pm

if the reactions of michael steele are any indication, the gop establishment has had it with cain and would like him to go away as soon as possible

jaunte Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:02:15pm

re: #26 kirkspencer

70% of the Republican party is ABR -- Anybody But Romney.

That's very odd to me; he seems to be willing to do whatever he needs to do to satisfy his supporters.

albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:03:08pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Breaking: Police respond to apparent shooting in City Hall Park

Burlington....
hippie nirvana

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:03:28pm

Holy...

This is like some sort of alternate dimension, where they treat cancer with Lydia E. Pinkham's Vegetable Compound.

Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:03:48pm

re: #29 jaunte

That's very odd to me; he seems to be willing to do whatever he needs to do to satisfy his supporters.

I think that's what they're worried about, really; that once in office he'll do what the country as a whole wants, not what the radical fringe does.

Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:04:02pm

Update from the previous thread: Occupy SF protester busted for gun violation arrested again

Jonathan Waknine, 23, of Valley Village, was allegedly miffed that cops confiscated his handgun Tuesday. He returned to camp after being released by police. Around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday, Waknine confronted a Recreation and Park ranger who had come to do a routine safety walkthrough of the encampment, police Sgt. Daryl Fong said Thursday.

Waknine complained to the ranger that he rightfully owned his handgun and did not deserve to have it confiscated. The ranger told him it was a police matter and that he could nothing about it. At that, Waknine said he planned to fetch a fully loaded assault rifle from home and would challenge those who tried to take it from him, Fong said.

The ranger filed a police report. Waknine was arrested around 3:40 p.m. and booked into county jail on a felony charge of making threats to a public employee, Fong said.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:04:34pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have heat maps of jpegs taken from both press conferences which refute his claims.

Phrenology is next. Someone will read the bumps on Cain and Bialek's heads, and determine their moral character.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:04:48pm

re: #26 kirkspencer

I truly hope you are right about the last part!

Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:04:50pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Phrenology is next. Someone will read the bumps on Cain and Bialek's heads, and determine their moral character.

I already did that!

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:05:34pm

re: #21 Obdicut

Their technology is bullshit:

.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

More GOP fascination with woo-woo pseudoscience.

It's "science" that has no support in data, reality or common sense. Very GOP.

AK-47% Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:06:11pm

Maybe that's what Cain was trying to do with his female employees...
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Phrenology is next. Someone will read the bumps on Cain and Bialek's heads, and determine their moral character.

Maybe that's what Cain was trying to do with his female employees...

jaunte Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:06:29pm

This sort of fits with the theme of the thread:

Bulk Homeopathy
Large quantities of homeopathic remedies
at a fraction of the cost!

Targetpractice Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:06:48pm

re: #28 engineer dog

if the reactions of michael steele are any indication, the gop establishment has had it with cain and would like him to go away as soon as possible

Yeah, but the establishment isn't running the show, else Romney would be running away with this by now. No, Cain's gonna survive at least til the early primaries, perhaps boosted by drop-outs between now and Iowa. He doesn't strike as the kinda guy who willingly walks away, but rather has to be sent out the door with a boot up his ass.

BongCrodny Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:06:53pm

Here's some interesting stuff from Wiki on Nemesysco, the company that makes the layered voice analysis product that T.J. Ward is hawking:

Nemesysco is an Israeli company that makes lie detectors and other products based on voice analysis.

A 2006 study at the University of Florida for the Counterintelligence Field Activity concluded that LVA did not show any sensitivity to the presence of deception or stress.[9] A 2008 study funded by the National Institute of Justice found that neither LVA nor the competing Computer Voice Stress Analyzer (CVSA) were able to detect lies better than random, but its use does deter people from lying, the bogus pipeline effect.[11]

zora Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:07:13pm

re: #38 ralphieboy

i don't think those were the bumps he was checking out.

Idle Drifter Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:07:30pm

Man this is worse than the idiot that called into the Drew and Mike show in Detroit over this scandal claiming he was taught by the Army to identify facial ques of a liar. One being that Cains accuser continuously looked up and left rather than directly at reporters. Of course when questioned by Drew and Mike on what exactly this caller did in the Army he quickly replied, "That's classified."

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:07:52pm

~~Ron Burgundy~~GOP: I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:08:27pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Update from the previous thread: Occupy SF protester busted for gun violation arrested again

Commenting once again on the carpetbagging nature of our local Occupistas--VALLEY VILLAGE?

Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:08:35pm

I think we should determine the relative truth using tyromancy. It's the best mancy.

neilk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:08:48pm

I hope Cain uses this $15,000 magic software on the debate footage to prove all his opponents were lying too.

And maybe then we can dig up some archive footage and prove who killed Kennedy.

I guess this is how Cain plans to close Gitmo--he can use his software to figure out which one are the real bad guys and which ones we can let go!

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:10:24pm

re: #47 neilk

I hope Cain uses this $15,000 magic software on the debate footage to prove all his opponents were lying too.

And maybe then we can dig up some archive footage and prove who killed Kennedy.

I guess this is how Cain plans to close Gitmo--he can use his software to figure out which one are the real bad guys and which ones we can let go!

Maybe he could use the software to figure out the third department Perry wants to close.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:11:15pm

re: #46 Obdicut

I think we should determine the relative truth using tyromancy. It's the best mancy.

And the yummiest.

Idle Drifter Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:11:36pm

re: #48 rwdflynavy

Maybe he could use the software to figure out the third department Perry wants to close.

Throw in some dousing rods for good measure.

AK-47% Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:11:55pm

re: #48 rwdflynavy

Maybe he could use the software to figure out the third department Perry wants to close.

Remember Perry's benediction at his big prayer meeting:
"In the name of the Father, the Son, and who was that third one again?..."

goddamnedfrank Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:13:00pm

re: #32 Obdicut

I think that's what they're worried about, really; that once in office he'll do what the country as a whole wants, not what the radical fringe does.

And they're right, his current far right pandering is an obvious act. I don't believe for a second that Romney really wants Roe v. Wade overturned, is interested in a personhood bill/amendment, or will fight to reinstate DADT. I look for him to soften all these stances if he makes it to the general election. I don't blame the anybody but Romney voters really at all, I may not agree with them on the issues and believe they are awful, damaged examples of humanity, but at least they're consistent and know when they're being lied to.

aagcobb Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:13:03pm

re: #51 ralphieboy

Remember Perry's benediction at his big prayer meeting:
"In the name of the Father, the Son, and who was that third one again?..."

Rock, paper, uuuh?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:13:18pm

re: #46 Obdicut

I think we should determine the relative truth using tyromancy. It's the best mancy.

I'm in favor. I didn't know that was a thing. Cool.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:13:46pm

re: #53 aagcobb

Rock, paper, uuuh?

scissors, lizard, Spock /Sheldon Cooper//

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:14:50pm

Well, I would say something about this, but I just cleaned the shovel off and don't want to get it dirty again shoveling through the fecal matter that is that web site.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:15:01pm

re: #55 rwdflynavy

scissors, lizard, Spock /Sheldon Cooper//

Youtube Video

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:15:20pm

re: #46 Obdicut

I think we should determine the relative truth using tyromancy. It's the best mancy.

That's a cheesy idea.

Targetpractice Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:15:45pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

And they're right, his current far right pandering is an obvious act. I don't believe for a second that Romney really wants Roe v. Wade overturned, is interested in a personhood bill/amendment, or will fight to reinstate DADT. I look for him to soften all these stances if he makes it to the general election. I don't blame the anybody but Romney voters really at all, I may not agree with them on the issues and believe they are awful, damaged examples of humanity, but at least they're consistent and know when they're being lied to.

Romney may soften his positions, but not by much, lest he run the Tea Partiers away from the polls. And like Kerry, Obama will be able to spend the weeks up til Election Day smacking Romney around with his 31 different flavors of opinion on virtually every topic. It won't be so much Romney v. Obama as New Romney v. Old Romney, with Obama taking a breather and a smoke on the sidelines.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:16:12pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

That's a cheesy idea.

That was really gouda!

HappyWarrior Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:16:26pm

Nah test her by trial by ordeal. Push her off a cliff and f she lives, she's telling the truth, if she dies, she's a liar.

Targetpractice Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:17:01pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Nah test her by trial by ordeal. Push her off a cliff and f she lives, she's telling the truth, if she dies, she's a liar.

Bah, I say we throw her in a lake and see if she floats.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:17:58pm

re: #28 engineer dog

if the reactions of michael steele are any indication, the gop establishment has had it with cain and would like him to go away as soon as possible

Michael Steele was too independent for them. HC might prove to be, too. Or, too much trouble, in any case.

What's going on with them is a form of "well...we TRIED to get some qualified minorites! But they just did not work out!"

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:17:58pm

re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, I say we throw her in a lake and see if she floats.

Duck scale coming in 1...2...

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:18:01pm

re: #57 rwdflynavy

[Video]

All those guys deserve Emmys. I'm glad at least one got one, so far.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:18:48pm

re: #42 zora

i don't think those were the bumps he was checking out.

More like humps, and lovely lady lumps. /

Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:18:50pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

All those guys deserve Emmys. I'm glad at least one got one, so far.

I love that show and am really enjoying it being in syndication now. Fun times.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:19:03pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

All those guys deserve Emmys. I'm glad at least one got one, so far.

Did they? How did she feel about it?

(I am the only one that will get this joke.)

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:20:53pm

re: #68 EmmmieG

Did they? How did she feel about it?

(I am the only one that will get this joke.)

Thank you for living up to my image of you yesterday, viz. the home made cookie dough!

Obdicut Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:21:34pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Thank you for living up to my image of you yesterday, viz. the home made cookie dough!

Thank you for using the word 'viz.'

aagcobb Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:21:53pm

I think Gingrich has a real chance to be the next candidate to make a run at Romney. Like McCain in 2007, his campaign imploded early, and all the other candidates major flaws have been exposed much more recently and are fresher in the mind. Republicans are impressed by his intelligence, and his sexual indiscretions are already out in the open and have been forgiven by so con opinion makers like Dobson. The initial reaction of the base to the Cain revelations have been defensive, but given enough time, one would assume even they would recognize that Cain has serious flaws, and what alternative do they have to stop Romney other than Newt?

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:22:10pm

re: #67 rwdflynavy

I love that show and am really enjoying it being in syndication now. Fun times.

I rented season one from the local rental joint, and that's all they have! Eventually I will see more...

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:22:46pm

re: #70 Obdicut

Thank you for using the word 'viz.'

I'm glad I looked it up. I was going to use an 's'!

jaunte Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:31:55pm

Elizabeth Warren responds to Karl Rove attack ad
[Link: www.thebostonchannel.com...]

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:32:29pm

re: #60 rwdflynavy

That was really gouda!

I'm trying to continue this, but I don't know Jack about cheese.

erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:36:41pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Havarti already seen this pun subthread before?

albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:36:49pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

I'm trying to continue this, but I don't know Jack about cheese.

too bad, I'm a cheese Whiz

AK-47% Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:37:30pm

I am only a cheese-like substance...

BongCrodny Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:38:06pm

re: #76 erik_t

Havarti already seen this pun subthread before?

Yeah, but that was whey back.

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:38:42pm

re: #76 erik_t

Havarti already seen this pun subthread before?

I don't know, I'm making it up asiago.

lawhawk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:38:53pm

Perry gets a solid 9.3 Stockdale scale rating.

What’s a Stockdale, you ask? Well, it’s a fictional unit of measurement that rates the campaign-killing effects of a politician’s televised blunder. Its namesake, Admiral James Stockdale, was Ross Perot’s vice-presidential candidate in 1992, when the Texas billionaire mounted a third-party bid against incumbent George Bush and Democratic challenger Bill Clinton. In his one debate with Dan Quayle and Al Gore, the former Vietnam POW began with a lighthearted joke, “Who am I? Why am I here?” That helped lower the bar of expectations, but from there, he stumbled badly, repeatedly losing his train of thought and appearing confused when his hearing aid malfunctioned. His debate performance became the standard, a solid 8.9 in what became known as the Stockdale Scale.

Jan Brewer got a 10.0 on the scale with her galactic sized flub (and yet she still won the AZ gov race).

erik_t Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:39:03pm

re: #79 BongCrodny

Curdn't we just link to the old version?

Big Joe Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:39:10pm

Jeez-whiz, another pun thread.

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:39:15pm

re: #77 albusteve

too bad, I'm a cheese Whiz

Clearly you're a Muenster.

lawhawk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:39:34pm

re: #83 mracb

Don't have a meltdown... that's the last thing we need. /

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:40:15pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Don't have a meltdown... that's the last thing we need. /

Edam right.

Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:40:19pm

Update: Breaking: Police respond to apparent shooting in City Hall Park, scene of Occupy Burlington

Police said it will be several hours before they know more, but did say there is no danger to the public. Police said they have recovered the weapon.
...
"We do not believe the public is at risk," Higbee said.

Multiple people in the Occupy Burlington camp including Tod Lacroix said they understand the shooting was self-inflicted.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:41:09pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Edam right.

I am feta-p to here with the cheese jokes.

Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:42:45pm

Never bring a gunfight to a cheese thread.

wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:42:57pm

re: #74 jaunte

Elizabeth Warren responds to Karl Rove attack ad
[Link: www.thebostonchannel.com...]

She's really good.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43:03pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Never bring a gunfight to a cheese thread.

Unless you wanted swiss cheese.

kirkspencer Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43:49pm

re: #29 jaunte

That's very odd to me; he seems to be willing to do whatever he needs to do to satisfy his supporters.

It's that willingness to change just for a few more votes that makes him unacceptable, I think. The impression is that he'll take the position that pays him the most, most recently. Once he doesn't need the votes what's his position going to be?

SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:44:00pm

I don't understand. Misogyny isn't a real thing. John Derbyshire told me so

What, me worry? Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:44:03pm

STOP! I camembert it!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:44:16pm

Headed out to a meeting. Don't want to go to this meeting.

At least there will probably be chocolate.

AK-47% Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:45:19pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Never bring a gunfight to a cheese thread.

Bring a grater

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:45:51pm

re: #96 ralphieboy

Bring a grater

"The Borgias" taught me that you can garrote a man with a cheese cutter.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:46:14pm

re: #39 jaunte

This sort of fits with the theme of the thread:

Bulk Homeopathy
Large quantities of homeopathic remedies
at a fraction of the cost!

Of course - if there is higher demand you can easily produce it with even higher potency!

AK-47% Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:47:35pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

"The Borgias" taught me that you can garrote a man with a cheese cutter.

Didn't David Lynch show a scene like that in "Blue Velveeta"?

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aagcobb Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:48:12pm

re: #81 lawhawk

Perry gets a solid 9.3 Stockdale scale rating.

Jan Brewer got a 10.0 on the scale with her galactic sized flub (and yet she still won the AZ gov race).

I wonder what score Gerald Ford's statement that Poland was not under Soviet Domination got?

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kirkspencer Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:48:47pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

I truly hope you are right about the last part!

As I said, it's my prediction -- not a guarantee. I'll probably refine it in another couple of months. Just... as long as the GOP has half the people blaming them for the bad economy, blaming the president goes nowhere.

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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:50:23pm

assault, shootings...now disease at OWS Atlanta
what a mess
[Link: atlanta.cbslocal.com...]

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What, me worry? Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:51:19pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

STOP! I camembert it!

I haven't commented in months and that's what I come up with :p

Anyhoo, Cain is only following in the footsteps of his idol, Clarence Thomas.

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lawhawk Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:52:59pm

re: #100 aagcobb

Per that article, 4.6 Stockdales. I think that was being way too generous.

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wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:53:04pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I haven't commented in months and that's what I come up with :p

Anyhoo, Cain is only following in the footsteps of his idol, Clarence Thomas.

Did you have a queso stage fright?

Doesn't seem like months, but maybe that's because I see you on Twitter.

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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:53:19pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I haven't commented in months and that's what I come up with :p

Anyhoo, Cain is only following in the footsteps of his idol, Clarence Thomas.

either him or Wilt Chamberlain

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aagcobb Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:54:41pm

re: #104 lawhawk

Per that article, 4.6 Stockdales. I think that was being way too generous.

I agree; insisting on a boneheadly wrong position seems worse to me than simply blanking out.

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jaunte Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:54:47pm

Senators rescind Paterno Medal of Freedom request

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wrenchwench Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:55:25pm

re: #106 albusteve

either him or Wilt Chamberlain

Wilt the Stilton?

_{OK, I'll close the tab with the cheese list now...}

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:56:01pm

re: #106 albusteve

either him or Wilt Chamberlain

Was Wilt accused of assault at any point?

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What, me worry? Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:57:27pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

Did you have a queso stage fright?

Doesn't seem like months, but maybe that's because I see you on Twitter.

I never see you on twitter!! Oh yes, you don't tweet so much. I got on an Obama rant this morning hehe

Maybe weeks, not months.

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What, me worry? Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:58:12pm

re: #106 albusteve

either him or Wilt Chamberlain

Wilt is decidedly more likable than either. But Cain said on Meet the Press couple weeks ago that Thomas was his idol.

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_RememberTonyC Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:58:43pm

A father put his 3 year old daughter to bed, told her a story and listened to her prayers which ended by saying: "God bless Mommy, God bless Daddy, God bless Grandma and good-bye Grandpa."

The father asked, 'Why did you say good-bye Grandpa?

The little girl said, "I don't know daddy, it just seemed like the thing to do." The next day grandpa died. The father thought it was a strange coincidence .

A few months later the father put the girl to bed and listened to her prayers which went like this: "God bless Mommy, God Bless Daddy and good-bye Grandma."

The next day the grandmother died.

"Holy crap" thought the father, "this kid is in contact with the other side."

Several weeks later when the girl was going to bed the dad heard her say: "God bless Mommy and good-bye Daddy."

He practically went into shock. He couldn't sleep all night and got up at the crack of dawn to go to his office. He was nervous as a cat all day, had lunch and watched the clock. He figured if he could get by until midnight he would be okay. He felt safe in the office, so instead of going home at the end of the day he stayed there, drinking coffee, looking at his watch and jumping at every sound. Finally, midnight arrived, he breathed a sigh of relief and went home.

When he got home his wife said "I've never seen you work so late. What's the matter?"

He said "I don't want to talk about it, I've just spent the worst day of my life."

She said, "You think you had a bad day, you'll never believe what happened to me. This morning my golf pro dropped dead in the middle of my lesson!"

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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:59:41pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Was Wilt accused of assault at any point?

no I don't think so...he just has a voracious sexual appetite

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What, me worry? Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:01:27pm

re: #114 albusteve

no I don't think so...he just has a voracious sexual appetite

It was the 60's. There wasn't such a thing as sexual harassment then.

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_RememberTonyC Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:03:28pm

re: #114 albusteve

no I don't think so...he just has a voracious sexual appetite

According to Jerry West's new book, Wilt did not sleep with 20,000 women. But according to people who know, he tried!

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albusteve Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:07:34pm

re: #116 _RememberTonyC

According to Jerry West's new book, Wilt did not sleep with 20,000 women. But according to people who know, he tried!

nobody knows...it's a myth

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:12:38pm

re: #74 jaunte

Elizabeth Warren responds to Karl Rove attack ad
[Link: www.thebostonchannel.com...]

Killgore, take note.

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_RememberTonyC Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:19:42pm

re: #117 albusteve

nobody knows...it's a myth

Wilt died at age 63 and two months. If he lost his virginity at age 13, that means he had 50 years of sowing his oats. That means that if he really did have relations with 20,000 women, he slept with 400 women a year. I'm certain that he had SOME years with 400 or more hook ups. Some of my friends were also Wilt's friends and I have heard descriptions of some of Wilt's social habits and behavior at parties. But to AVERAGE 400 partners EVERY year for 50 years seems almost impossible. But according to one of my sources (a former NBA star who attended UCLA), when Wilt attended parties, he basically sat in a corner and "auditioned" potential partners as they approached him.

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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:40:06pm

Golly gee gosh, it's just like a real life episode of CSI, ain't it honey? I just knew that tawdry slut was liein' but nows we have inrefutable like sciency type evidence!

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Gus Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:52:14pm

I don't know what to say other than this is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen during primary season. A program and some crackpot "private investigator to the stars" to help "clear" Herman Cain? Seriously? This genius, TJ Ward even re-Tweeted some stupid old Clinton conspiracy Tweet linking to Redstate.

There is no hope for conservatives; no hope for Republicans.

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Ming Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:52:15pm

I think it's interesting that no member of Cain's family, or even a personal (non-business) friend, has spoken up to defend him. In a way, that's a bad comment in itself on Cain's character. Assuming (for the sake of argument) that Cain is completely innocent of every single one of the accusations of sexual harassment, and has always treated others with respect, one would expect that people would be happy to speak up in his favor.

I'm no fan of Clarence Thomas from a political viewpoint, but I've always been very skeptical about Anita Hill's accusations against him, and one reason was the women (9, I believe) who testified in the Senate that although they disagreed with his politics, they had worked with him and they all thought he was a good person. (I'm no expert on the details of the Thomas scandal 20 years ago, so I don't mean to reopen that argument. But those 9 women seemed sincere to me.)

I mean, isn't there anyone out there who LIKES Herman Cain as a person? If so, this would be a good time to say something!

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Mark Winter Thu, Nov 10, 2011 3:36:07pm

Perry's lack of ummmm energy might have saved Cain for a little while.
DON'T Let him off the hook, please.

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wilburs Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:10:10pm

All of this really just detracts from the real issue that disqualifies Herman Cain from any political office.

His astonishing ignorance about public policy and current events.

The other day in that "debate" mano a mano with Newt he was asked a health care question.....
"defined benefit plans or premium support?"

He sat there with a vacant stare for what seemed to be 15 seconds, then chuckled and said "I'll Let Newt answer that one."

Not only could he not offer a response, he didn't even understand the question....even though he has supposedly taken a stance on this issue.

He makes Palin seem like a Rhodes Scholar.

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wheat-dogg Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:01:04am

re: #113 _RememberTonyC

Nice one.

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mikec6666 Fri, Nov 11, 2011 7:15:34am

re: #22 rwdflynavy

Nice link. Thanks.

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mikec6666 Fri, Nov 11, 2011 7:16:26am

re: #113 _RememberTonyC

Ha!

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mikec6666 Fri, Nov 11, 2011 7:17:39am

re: #122 Ming

Why would Anita Hill lie? Proof?

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JRCMYP Sat, Nov 12, 2011 5:28:21am

Here's a much better study from the Mudflats. lol

Herman Cain's Blinkage: An Unscientific Comparative Study

Many have commented on Herman Cain’s vigorous denial of sexual harassment allegations on Fox News the other day. As I watched the interview, something struck me. As someone who is intrigued by nonverbal communication of all sorts, I found myself mesmerized not by what Cain was saying, but by what he was doing. Blinking.

I had to watch the clip a second time because I couldn’t even concentrate on the words the first time through the rapid-fire visual blink assault. Then I thought to myself, “Wow. I wonder how many times a minute he’s blinking? I bet it’s a lot. It would be interesting to know just for the heck of it. But what idiot would sit there and watch this thing and count how many times Herman Cain blinked and then figure out his blink rate?”

You know where this is going, Mudflatters, don’t you?

Yes, I am that idiot.

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