Court Rules Against OWS Zuccotti Park Protesters

Drum circles postponed indefinitely
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The latest news in the ongoing saga of Zuccotti Park: a judge has ruled against the demonstrators, and will not allow them to set up camp in the park again. So here’s another thread to argue about it some more…

UPDATE at 11/15/11 2:29:23 pm

Here’s the judge’s decision (PDF).

UPDATE at 11/15/11 3:56:09 pm

Many demonstrators have already returned to the park, sans tents and sleeping bags, and yes, the drum circles are relentlessly drumming again…

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513 comments
1 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 1:58:09pm

I think they’re allowed back in, but not to stay overnight.

2 neilk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 1:58:50pm

Correction—they can return to the park (it would be an awfully strange decision that said they couldn’t), but the ban on tents, sleeping bags and generators has been deemed enforceable.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 1:59:20pm

re: #1 Obdicut

I think they’re allowed back in, but not to stay overnight.

Basically, no tents. Maybe that’s actually for the best, OWS-wise.

4 neilk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 1:59:45pm

re: #1 Obdicut

They can stay overnight too — the park remains open 24 hours — but they can’t have tents or sleeping bags, and the injunction on winter failed as well, so it doesn’t look so good for the permanent occupation.

5 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:00:47pm

re: #2 neilk

Which I actually think could be good for Occupy, in the end. It changes the focus away from logistical problems.

6 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:01:47pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Which I actually think could be good for Occupy, in the end. It changes the focus away from logistical problems.

Exactly. Keep the focus on Wall street.

7 neilk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:01:59pm

re: #5 Obdicut

And it also means they were ousted by Bloomberg — the best avatar of Wall Street you could hope for — rather than withering away from wintertime attrition.

8 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:03:34pm

re: #4 neilk

Japan to the rescue:


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9 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:04:25pm

re: #8 Obdicut

I was just wondering where to draw the line between a tent and a really fat coat.

10 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:05:23pm

OWS needs to focus its efforts in establishing networks and lobbying the halls of congress. Build a voter base. Protesting only goes so far.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:05:34pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Heh. Reminds me of Kobo Abe’s The Box Man.

12 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:06:22pm

It’s not really possible to stay out in the middle of winter without a fire or other source of heat, unless you have amazingly good— and costly— gear. Or an igloo. And as much as I’m a big ol’ first amendment supporter, running generators to create warmth is massively wasteful and open fires are obviously wrong. So I don’t see how they could have possibly lasted out the winter anyway.

This does give them a chance to sort of gracefully back out. They could either suspend physical activity over the winter, or they could pool that donation money they’re getting and rent out some flophouse type place for the hardcore protesters to stay in. That has its own raft of problems, though.

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:06:34pm

re: #8 Obdicut

I meet the most innnteresting people.
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14 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:06:47pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Japan to the rescue:

Image: japanese-snuggie-2128-1261650732-107.jpg

My hunting gear is better. It includes boots and a heavy jacket with sleeves.

15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:06:55pm

re: #10 Idle Drifter

if they began as a lobbying group, they would not be getting national grassroots attention

protesting is the reason we know about them, protesting should continue

ALSO lobby, ALSO establish networks, but the protesting is critical

16 S'latch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:07:23pm

My small hometown now has a rather large group of occupiers camping out on the courthouse lawn. They are doing a very good job of keeping the occupation clean. I even saw one of them raking the leaves. I wonder whether the Zuccotti Park Protesters would have been asked to leave if they had kept their camp as clean.

17 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:08:48pm

re: #16 Lawrence Schmerel

My small hometown now has a rather large group of occupiers camping out on the courthouse lawn. They are doing a very good job of keeping the occupation clean. I even saw one of them raking the leaves. I wonder whether the Zuccotti Park Protesters would have been asked to leave if they had kept their camp as clean.

Parts of the Occupy Ottawa protests offered to shift their camp AND volunteer at the annual winter festival.

18 neilk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:09:01pm

re: #16 Lawrence Schmerel

This has got to be something new: “My town’s Occupy is better than your town’s Occupy!”

19 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:10:08pm

re: #15 WindUpBird

if they began as a lobbying group, they would not be getting national grassroots attention

protesting is the reason we know about them, protesting should continue

ALSO lobby, ALSO establish networks, but the protesting is critical

All true. I only stated protesting only goes so far.

20 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:11:17pm

re: #16 Lawrence Schmerel

It was too jam-packed with people to really be kept ‘clean’, but it really wasn’t that bad. Not compared to most New York streets, anyway. They managed to clean it up once; they could have probably done so again if Bloomberg had directly negotiated with them about it.

I do not think Bloomberg’s move was actually about health and safety at all. I think he felt pressured to ‘do something’, regardless of how ineffective or counterproductive it actually was. And with him recently going on record with the baffling lie that the banks were not responsible for the mortgage crisis, I’m unwilling to lend him any credibility he doesn’t earn on the topic.

21 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:12:35pm

re: #18 neilk

This has got to be something new: “My town’s Occupy is better than your town’s Occupy!”

A friend of mine in a very small town in Northern California said that basically the whole town wanted to join “Occupy”. They voted on it at a town meeting.

And then they were like, “Okay, now what?”

22 shutdown  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:14:50pm

I a going to start on dinner and try and extract conversation from my 15 yo daughter.
Pray for me.

23 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:15:15pm

re: #22 imp_62

Ask her if she’s smoking the marijuana.

24 shutdown  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:16:30pm

re: #23 Obdicut

Ask her if she’s smoking the marijuana.

lol, i think…
BBL

25 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:18:30pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Which I actually think could be good for Occupy, in the end. It changes the focus away from logistical problems.

This is exactly right. The movement needs to move away from the occupation of public spaces, eventually this would only lead to marginalizing middle class and blue collar support.

Where it moves to without leadership is the question. While the movement can pat themselves on the back for utilizing a consensus decision process, eventually, as history has shown time and again, the process becomes cumbersome and subject to diversion and subversion.

Time for leadership.

26 BishopX  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:19:08pm

Just in case it hasn’t already been posted, here is a link to a pdf of the decision.

27 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:20:19pm

re: #22 imp_62

I a going to start on dinner and try and extract conversation from my 15 yo daughter.
Pray for me.

Ask her opinion on OWS—works here.

28 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:21:41pm
29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:22:03pm

re: #22 imp_62

I a going to start on dinner and try and extract conversation from my 15 yo daughter.
Pray for me.

my dad’s idea was to haul an encyclopedia volume to the dinner table and start talking about one of the entries

god help me it actually sorta worked

TELL US MORE ABOUT HOW MINING EQUIPMENT WORKS

30 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:24:17pm

Bachmann Endorser: “It Is Dominion We Are After. World Conquest”

Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ-to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness.

But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice.

It is dominion we are after. Not just influence.

It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time.

It is dominion we are after.

World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less.

If Jesus Christ is indeed Lord, as the Bible says, and if our commission is to bring the land into subjection to His Lordship, as the Bible says, then all our activities, all our witnessing, all our preaching, all our craftsmanship, all our stewardship, and all our political action will aim at nothing short of that sacred purpose.

Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land - of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ. It is to reinstitute the authority of God’s Word as supreme over all judgments, over all legislation, over all declarations, constitutions, and confederations.

31 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:26:29pm

re: #29 WindUpBird

my dad’s idea was to haul an encyclopedia volume to the dinner table and start talking about one of the entries

god help me it actually sorta worked

TELL US MORE ABOUT HOW MINING EQUIPMENT WORKS

I have an Aunt who has a strict process about dinner, movies, patriotic music, etc that involves everyone at the table “What was your favorite part of the day/movie/etc?” It drove me nuts sitting through this process.

32 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:26:40pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holy crap, she actually had that up on her website at one point.

What a whackjob.

33 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:28:41pm

re: #32 Obdicut

Holy crap, she actually had that up on her website at one point.

What a whackjob.

Watch out for the creeping Sharia. Its a beautiful distraction.

34 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:29:11pm

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

Time for leadership.

There has been “leadership”, organization-wise. Just no leadership regarding formulating political goals, demands, etc. The latter obviously is connected with the former, but… especially the direct-democracy fans will hate political leaders. Representative democracy will almost inevitably lead to some people’s goals and demands not being included.

Leadership could actually fracture the movement. Infighting over positions… wouldn’t be the first time to witness that.

35 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:29:11pm

World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish

i believe he is referring to chapter 4, verse 7 of the Gospel According to Adolph

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:30:08pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watch out for the creeping Sharia. Its a beautiful distraction.

It’s always amused me that so many who clutch their pearls and worry aloud about “takeover by sharia” are often those who would have no problem with America becoming a theocracy.

37 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:31:16pm

re: #35 engineer dog

World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish

i believe he is referring to chapter 4, verse 7 of the Gospel According to Adolph


We will conquer the world with blood and fire in the name of the Prince of Peace.

38 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:31:28pm

creeping Sharia

but is it deer resistant, and does it provide good ground cover?

39 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:31:39pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Endorser: “It Is Dominion We Are After. World Conquest”

That’s hate speech!

/Buck

40 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:31:39pm

re: #34 000G

I’d say it would reveal the fractures that are already there.

41 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:32:14pm

re: #40 Obdicut

I’d say it would reveal the fractures that are already there.

Good point. Conflict can be productive.

42 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:33:53pm

For those “Cartographers for Social Justice” among us, one of the best XKCDs ever:

[Link: xkcd.com…]

43 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:33:56pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watch out for the creeping Sharia. Its a beautiful distraction.

They believe creeping sharia is a danger because they believe their own crazy attempts at theocracy are actually practicable.

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:34:00pm

The koskidz are in full meltdown. Police state, conspiracy theories about DHS and FBI, Cairo on the Hudson, Bankers bribing judges, etc.

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:34:00pm

re: #31 Idle Drifter

I have an Aunt who has a strict process about dinner, movies, patriotic music, etc that involves everyone at the table “What was your favorite part of the day/movie/etc?” It drove me nuts sitting through this process.

patriotic music!

46 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:34:12pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if the rest of us don’t go along with their little plan, what then? Reeducation camps? Mass deportation? Genocide?

Hyperbole, I know, but there is no way they could just take over a country let alone the world without a sizable opposition saying they won’t put up with that s***.

47 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:36:13pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


We will conquer the world with blood and fire in the name of the Prince of Peace.

i don’t get anything googling that exact quote, altho it sounds like something one of the isaiahs might have said. (interestingly, the third hit on google is World of Warcraft)

in any case, i don’t think jesus was ever quoted as saying anything like that…

48 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:36:31pm

re: #46 Idle Drifter

So if the rest of us don’t go along with their little plan, what then? Reeducation camps? Mass deportation? Genocide?

Hyperbole, I know, but there is no way they could just take over a country let alone the world without a sizable opposition saying they won’t put up with that s***.

Deviation from orthodox beliefs is a sign of Satanic influence. Witch burnings to commence forthwith.

49 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:37:03pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Deviation from orthodox beliefs is a sign of Satanic influence. Witch burnings to commence forthwith.

I can already assure them I weigh far more than a duck, thanks.

50 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:38:00pm

re: #28 MikeySDCA

OT

Clark, Christopher (2007-09-06). Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600-1947 (p. 571). ePenguin. Kindle Edition.

As much as I disagree with Bismarck: He was a brilliant conservative politician. One of his most admirable stunts was implementing socialism lite as a way to combat radical socialism.

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:38:16pm

More peaceful protests on the way for the upcoming APEC economic summit: FBI Watching Potentially Violent APEC Protesters

52 darthstar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:38:17pm

Okay, I finally watched the Cain Libya comment…for a moment there I thought he was going to say, “I thought I made it clear the other day she wouldn’t let me touch her Libya!”

53 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:39:37pm

So many people who claim it is their destiny to rule the world never seem to realize other people might have a contradictory opinion in the matter.

54 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:40:55pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

patriotic music!

The short of it I was eating the most disgusting 4th of July spread in living memory when the conversation turned to “What’s your favorite patriotic music?” I refused to play along. I love my country and I love good food, music, and cheer as much as the next person. But this was one of those times she had to control the conversation of everyone in attendance.

55 shutdown  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:42:08pm

I agree, wholeheartedly!

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56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:43:46pm

re: #54 Idle Drifter

*shudder*

The answer of course is FEAR’s “Let’s Have A War” :D

57 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:44:02pm

My grandson, the Evil Overlord in Training:

EOIT: Mommy, do you believe in democracy?
DIL: Of course, darling.
EOIT: The People want ice cream for dinner.

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:44:51pm

re: #57 Alouette

My grandson, the Evil Overlord in Training:

EOIT: Mommy, do you believe in democracy?
DIL: Of course, darling.
EOIT: The People want ice cream for dinner.

“Yeah, well this is a dictatorship, so The People can eat what’s offered and like it.”

59 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:44:52pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Really? I see comments like this:

This is based on a long line of United States Supreme Court cases, beginning with Cox v. New Hampshire in 1941. “Reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions” is a long-standing concept in First Amendment law, repeatedly upheld in the Courts.

Since OWS filed the petition asking for a TRO, it was their burden to demonstrate that the owner’s rules were NOT reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions. They didn’t do that.

Which is currently rated at +8.

I see other people protesting that the original judge was taken off the the case, and other people getting upset, but not anything like a meltdown.

And other people saying much what I did, that this might be the best thing that could have happened.

Where are you seeing all the meltdown and police state talk?

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

The diary itself is a little hyperbolic, but not to that degree.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:45:05pm

re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I can already assure them I weigh far more than a duck, thanks.

More witch in you, eh.

61 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:45:09pm

re: #55 imp_62

I agree, wholeheartedly!

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62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:45:12pm

re: #54 Idle Drifter

also, was there abominable potato salad

I always associate terrible potato salad with being dragged to 4th of july barbecues with family

my solution was to grab three or four bbq franks and go hide out in the den with my cousin playing atari games :D

63 mikec6666  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:45:28pm

Stupid kids and their stupid sleeping bags and tents…mumble, mumble, drool, tremble. Get off my LAWN!

64 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:46:28pm

re: #54 Idle Drifter

The short of it I was eating the most disgusting 4th of July spread in living memory when the conversation turned to “What’s your favorite patriotic music?” I refused to play along. I love my country and I love good food, music, and cheer as much as the next person. But this was one of those times she had to control the conversation of everyone in attendance.

a friend of mine liked to tell the story about typical dinner conversation at her house which might very well end up with her father hitting the table with the flat of his hand and shouting “Dinner Time is Happy Time, so SHUT UP AND BE HAPPY!”

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:46:32pm

re: #57 Alouette

My grandson, the Evil Overlord in Training:

EOIT: Mommy, do you believe in democracy?
DIL: Of course, darling.
EOIT: The People want ice cream for dinner.

Cunning little Overlord!

66 shutdown  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:47:30pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

also, was there abominable potato salad

I always associate terrible potato salad with being dragged to 4th of july barbecues with family

my solution was to grab three or four bbq franks and go hide out in the den with my cousin playing atari games :D

Thank goodness that sentence ended with “…playing Atari games”

67 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:47:48pm

Eating dinner at a table? How quaint.

/

68 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:48:01pm

re: #57 Alouette

My grandson, the Evil Overlord in Training:

EOIT: Mommy, do you believe in democracy?
DIL: Of course, darling.
EOIT: The People want ice cream for dinner.

The Constitution protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:48:27pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

The koskidz are in full meltdown. Police state, conspiracy theories about DHS and FBI, Cairo on the Hudson, Bankers bribing judges, etc.

Blogwarzzz


just like the old days! Kos versus LGF! Markos said a bad thing about murder-killed contractors!

so is this like shock jocks on a 90’s radio morning zoo show, do we play pranks on them on our radio show, and then they play counterpranks


and then we send our intern to their studio in a clown costume, and they send their intern here in a hot-dog costume

70 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:48:33pm

The judge didn’t completely stop the protest. Just no overnight stay at the site. In any event I believe that Occupy Wall Street won the propaganda war here and deservedly so.

71 mikec6666  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:48:37pm

re: #67 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In my day we couldn’t afford dinner, so we ate the table.

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:48:45pm

Recommended list: Land of the Free (No More)
Breaking: Homeland Security, FBI, Others Advise Coordinated Occupy Crackdowns

Breaking: Mayor Quan Admits to Collusion of Multi-City OWS Evictions

Shutting Out The Media Is What A Police State Does (Continuous Update Mode)

73 mikec6666  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:49:13pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Yup, and now they can go home and shower too. A plus for eveyone.

74 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:49:25pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

The koskidz are in full meltdown. Police state, conspiracy theories about DHS and FBI, Cairo on the Hudson, Bankers bribing judges, etc.

We back to stalking Daily Kos Killgore? That’s poor form.

75 darthstar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:49:38pm

The Onion “stockwatch”

Popcorn Factory (POP)

$10.80 (+$0.19)(+1.8%) Share prices climbed today on word Ohio homemaker Debbie Turnquist had been absolutely bombarded with catalogs and was slowly showing signs of believing $29.99 was an acceptable price for a can of popcorn.

76 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:49:54pm

re: #66 imp_62

Thank goodness that sentence ended with “…playing Atari games”

hahahahahahahaha

Pitfall 2! Enduro!

We had little in common, but we did have games. He listened to country, I listened to Poison

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:50:10pm

re: #69 WindUpBird

LOL. dkos diaries and comments can get dumb sometimes, but all that LGF criticism of dkos was pretty over-the-top cherrypicking.

78 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:50:11pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

*shudder*

The answer of course is FEAR’s “Let’s Have A War” :D

I was thinking Gods of War by Man O War.

Youtube Video
79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:50:51pm

re: #74 Gus 802

We back to stalking Daily Kos Killgore? That’s poor form.

it’s the classics!

Like busting out the big hit from the 80’s for the encore

80 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:50:52pm

re: #77 Sergey Romanov

LOL. dkos diaries and comments can get dumb sometimes, but all that LGF criticism of dkos was pretty over-the-top cherrypicking.

It was stalking pure and simple. Including some the trolling. Ahem.

81 darthstar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:51:04pm

re: #74 Gus 802

We back to stalking Daily Kos Killgore? That’s poor form.

He was enjoying some righteous indignation when the occupiers were occupying…withdrawal after they were evicted is to be expected.

82 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:51:11pm

re: #74 Gus 802

We back to stalking Daily Kos Killgore? That’s poor form.

Hey, now that the judge took his favorite toy away he needs something else to fixate on.
/

83 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:51:17pm

re: #57 Alouette

My grandson, the Evil Overlord in Training:

EOIT: Mommy, do you believe in democracy?
DIL: Of course, darling.
EOIT: The People want ice cream for dinner.

How old is he?

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:51:34pm

re: #77 Sergey Romanov

LOL. dkos diaries and comments can get dumb sometimes, but all that LGF criticism of dkos was pretty over-the-top cherrypicking.

it’s a big blog, lots of people, some of them are idjits! Internet!

85 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:51:42pm

re: #77 Sergey Romanov

LOL. dkos diaries and comments can get dumb sometimes, but all that LGF criticism of dkos was pretty over-the-top cherrypicking.

Ironically, most of those who routinely raged against Kos are now those who routinely rage against LGF.

86 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:52:01pm

re: #81 darthstar

He was enjoying some righteous indignation when the occupiers were occupying…withdrawal after they were evicted is to be expected.

Yeah. So I guess we went from having a hard-on for Occupy Wall Street and now to having a hard-on for Daily Kos. The hard-on for something continues.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:52:06pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Good point.

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:52:17pm

re: #80 Gus 802

It was stalking pure and simple. Including some the trolling. Ahem.

at least when I trolled hardcore back in the early 2000s, I had the common decency to troll people I could concievably see in person at a convention :D

89 shutdown  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:52:37pm

re: #76 WindUpBird

hahahahahahahaha

Pitfall 2! Enduro!

We had little in common, but we did have games. He listened to country, I listened to Poison

He was a little bit country, you were a little bit rock and roll metalhead

90 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:52:43pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ironically, most of those who routinely raged against Kos are now those who routinely rage against LGF.

And some of us just grew up and got over it.

91 shutdown  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:53:00pm

re: #83 000G

How old is he?

37. It’s a touchy subject
//

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:53:02pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

The koskidz are in full meltdown. Police state, conspiracy theories about DHS and FBI, Cairo on the Hudson, Bankers bribing judges, etc.

Should fit well with your conspiracy theories of Marxists everywhere.

No, I’m still not under your bed.

93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:53:42pm

heh

94 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:53:51pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Endorser: “It Is Dominion We Are After. World Conquest”
…
and if our commission is to bring the land into subjection to His Lordship, as the Bible says,…

That’s the lie, the part I snipped out and emphasized. The great commission is not to bring the land into subjection to His Lordship.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:53:53pm

re: #89 imp_62

He was a little bit country, you were a little bit rock and roll metalhead

very much so *_*

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:54:13pm

That said, dkos did seem to get a far left turn again recently. Well, from my perspective.

97 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:54:24pm

re: #57 Alouette

My grandson, the Evil Overlord in Training:

EOIT: Mommy, do you believe in democracy?
DIL: Of course, darling.
EOIT: The People want ice cream for dinner.

The kid has a future in being a benevolent dictator.

98 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:54:54pm

re: #90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And some of us just grew up and got over it.

Myself included. Although I didn’t really read their comments and certainly never trolled the place. My pathology was focused against Markos but I’ve cured myself. I agree with some of what Markos has to say.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:55:05pm

re: #91 imp_62

37. It’s a touchy subject
//

Literal non-figurative literal LOL.

100 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:55:44pm

Re: the guy who mistakenly came in here looking for his friend: Why wear a belt if you still have to keep your hand on it to keep your pants from sliding all the way down?

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:56:03pm

re: #98 Gus 802

People who usually quote that infamous posting never quote the next day lengthy apology-explanation.

102 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:56:31pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

People who usually quote that infamous posting never quote the next day lengthy apology-explanation.

The “screw them” thing?

103 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:56:47pm

re: #98 Gus 802

Myself included. Although I didn’t really read their comments and certainly never trolled the place. My pathology was focused against Markos but I’ve cured myself. I agree with some of what Markos has to say.

I wouldn’t go that far, I still think the guy a little weasel, but I’m at least willing to give the Koz Kids a fair shake.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:57:07pm

re: #102 Gus 802

Yes. That’s about the only thing people could hang on Markos.

105 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:58:17pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

Yes. That’s about the only thing people could hang on Markos.

Drudge people as you know. They can’t read more than 2 words without having to pull out a dictionary. Two words is enough to make a conclusion for your average wingnut. Hence, I’m a Communist and no ordinary radical-leftist! ;)

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:58:26pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

Yes. That’s about the only thing people could hang on Markos.

Your average rock frontman does worse before breakfast :D

107 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:58:33pm

re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I wouldn’t go that far, I still think the guy a little weasel, but I’m at least willing to give the Koz Kids a fair shake.

I think the guy is a douchebag, but thats about all the effort I’m going to put into trashing the guy or talking about him.

108 recusancy  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:58:56pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

More peaceful protests on the way for the upcoming APEC economic summit: FBI Watching Potentially Violent APEC Protesters

LOL You realize that already came and went right?

109 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 2:58:57pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think the guy is a douchebag, but thats about all the effort I’m going to put into trashing the guy or talking about him.

Agreed.

110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:00:27pm

re: #106 WindUpBird

Your average rock frontman does worse before breakfast :D

Well, that, and recently I was reading in koscomments how Markos was that rich guy, one of the 1%, not representing etc. So it’s not like he is some cheguevara.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:00:56pm

re: #108 recusancy

LOL You realize that already came and gone right?

hyperlink tennis sometimes ends with a dropped racket

112 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:01:21pm

i tried reading dkos, but it’s so deadly serious it was almost as bad as listening to npr

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:01:36pm

re: #112 engineer dog

i tried reading dkos, but it’s so deadly serious it was almost as bad as listening to npr

THAT is EXACTLY CORRECT

114 blueraven  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:01:42pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

More peaceful protests on the way for the upcoming APEC economic summit: FBI Watching Potentially Violent APEC Protesters

Ummm…in case you missed it: APEC is over. That’s what the President was doing in Hawaii. I dont remember any violence.

115 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:02:47pm

Personally, I would trust stories coming from DKos far, far before I would sites like HotAir, FoxNews or RedState. Even though they are left-of-center, and sometimes take what I consider ill-advised positions in their opinions, almost always there is sourcing and hard data to back up those positions - and more times than not welcome legitimate criticism. The same cannot be said for the so-called “mainstream” sites on the right.

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:02:58pm

re: #112 engineer dog

i tried reading dkos, but it’s so deadly serious it was almost as bad as listening to npr

it’s hard to go from my corner of the internets, filled with jokes about monsterdicks and photoshops of dick cheney on the front of that maximum overdrive gremlin truck…to dailykos :D

117 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:04:48pm

re: #108 recusancy

LOL You realize that already came and gone right?

Sorry about that. The event ended yesterday.

118 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:05:20pm

Oh noz we’ve linked to Daily Kos before!

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:05:21pm

re: #115 RadicalModerate

Their frontpage is okay. Their sidebar stuff can get pretty stupid, though sometimes it’s excellent.

And BTW, to get that dkos isn’t really some far-out blog one needs to spend time reading DU. Now that’s a dump.

120 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:05:42pm

re: #114 blueraven

Ummm…in case you missed it: APEC is over. That’s what the President was doing in Hawaii. I dont remember any violence.

Bah. Details, details.

121 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:06:34pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

DU is like having a conversation with the worst-smelling person you can find hanging outside the anarchist book shop on Haight Street, while being interrupted by a snotty 16 year old kid who has just read Howard Zinn for the first time.

122 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:06:57pm

re: #116 WindUpBird

it’s hard to go from my corner of the internets, filled with jokes about monsterdicks and photoshops of dick cheney on the front of that maximum overdrive gremlin truck…to dailykos :D

yah, i feel the same way

if i want to chat at a more left wing site, i go to eschaton. i find them very congenial until the conversation turns to how obama is a republican

123 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:07:02pm

re: #121 Obdicut

Like that, yes.

124 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:07:53pm

AFA blames “homosexual agenda” for Penn State Scandal

125 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:08:12pm

Alright. I’m heading out to a Freelancer’s Union benefit, which luckily I get into free on account of my volunteer work. Luckily, since I’m ba-roke at the moment. Med school has a shitload of costs, from the expected— like textbooks— to the unexpected— they have to buy all their own reflex-testers and eye-testers and crap like that. My wife’s dressing table looks like one of us is seriously ill.

126 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:08:17pm

re: #121 Obdicut

DU is like having a conversation with the worst-smelling person you can find hanging outside the anarchist book shop on Haight Street, while being interrupted by a snotty 16 year old kid who has just read Howard Zinn for the first time.

Man! You’re freaking me out. I never got into Haight Street. Lower Haight was worse. But that’s cool I’ve met some really nice people that lived around that area including my nephew.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:09:14pm

Evening Honcos.

128 recusancy  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:09:20pm

Violence at APEC!

Makana sings Occupy protests songs to President Obama and APEC leaders

129 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:09:42pm

re: #115 RadicalModerate

Personally, I would trust stories coming from DKos far, far before I would sites like HotAir, FoxNews or RedState. Even though they are left-of-center, and sometimes take what I consider ill-advised positions in their opinions, almost always there is sourcing and hard data to back up those positions - and more times than not welcome legitimate criticism. The same cannot be said for the so-called “mainstream” sites on the right.

I went through a period where I started to take them at least semi-seriously but OWS has pretty much wiped out credibility for lefty sites for me. I’ve recently stopped taking stories from Think Progress and TPM too seriously. There’s some decent stuff but the lefty defense of some really indefensible OWS stuff has taken the wind out of my sails. I had kind of hoped the left was becoming more rational as the Tea Party went nuts. I was wrong.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:09:50pm

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

Evening Honcos.

Hey there.

131 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:10:19pm

re: #122 engineer dog

yah, i feel the same way

if i want to chat at a more left wing site, i go to eschaton. i find them very congenial until the conversation turns to how obama is a republican

It’s not that far-fetched of a claim. Up until the complete takeover of the party by the SoCon Right in the 80s/90s, he could have EASILY fit in with Republican caucuses.

132 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:10:24pm

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

Hey there.

ASL?

//

133 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:10:33pm

re: #126 Gus 802

Upper Haight has radically transitioned. It used to be a pretty dangerous place when I was growing up, then it had a brief period where it was actually counterculture cool, now it’s all packaged and merchandised with just a few crusty holdouts.

Ameboa records is still there, so it’s still worth going to. And All You Knead, a good place for breakfast.

Lower Haight remains pretty cool, with some excellent bars, a great sausage place, etc.

134 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:10:54pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AFA blames “homosexual agenda” for Penn State Scandal

Diane Gramley just had to go there.

135 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:11:02pm

As if Penn State wasn’t enough, now the Citadel as well…

[Link: www.npr.org…]

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:11:27pm

re: #132 Gus 802

ASL?

//

*whoosh*

^^^^^^
(that means explanation will be necessary)

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:11:28pm

re: #122 engineer dog

yah, i feel the same way

if i want to chat at a more left wing site, i go to eschaton. i find them very congenial until the conversation turns to how obama is a republican

eschaton is my favorite blog :D

but I don’t comment there, I just watch

138 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:11:48pm

So I was hoping that Killgore would stop all this OWS stuff so I could go back to humping his leg.

//

139 recusancy  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:11:51pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I went through a period where I started to take them at least semi-seriously but OWS has pretty much wiped out credibility for lefty sites for me. I’ve recently stopped taking stories from Think Progress and TPM too seriously. There’s some decent stuff but the lefty defense of some really indefensible OWS stuff has taken the wind out of my sails. I had kind of hoped the left was becoming more rational as the Tea Party went nuts. I was wrong.

What about radical lefty sites like LGF?

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:11:59pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

*whoosh*

^^^
(that means explanation will be necessary)

Gus is old skool with that!!!

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:12:31pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Upper Haight has radically transitioned. It used to be a pretty dangerous place when I was growing up, then it had a brief period where it was actually counterculture cool, now it’s all packaged and merchandised with just a few crusty holdouts.

Ameboa records is still there, so it’s still worth going to. And All You Knead, a good place for breakfast.

Lower Haight remains pretty cool, with some excellent bars, a great sausage place, etc.

My copy of Blood Mountain came from Amoeba records! I didn’t buy it though, it was a gift

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:12:45pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

eschaton is my favorite blog :D

Hey!

///

143 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:14:17pm

re: #131 RadicalModerate

It’s not that far-fetched of a claim. Up until the complete takeover of the party by the SoCon Right in the 80s/90s, he could have EASILY fit in with Republican caucuses.

what really annoys me is when this point of view comes out as heartfelt declarations that we should refrain from voting at all “to teach the democratic party a lesson”

this is a major logic fail imho and raises my blood pressure

144 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:14:53pm

re: #141 WindUpBird

You can get champagne with a screw-cap at All You Knead. It was my favorite place to go breakfast with my brothers when we were on an all-weekend bender.

Okay, really out now.

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:14:56pm

re: #132 Gus 802

ASL?

//

male!

146 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:17:07pm

re: #139 recusancy

What about radical lefty sites like LGF?

LGF certainly went far further left than I’d noticed. Like I said, it did dampen my enthusiasm for condemning right wing radicalism when left wing radicalism is off limits. Highlighting a stupid right wing blog post is a lot of fun for all, highlighting a stupid left wing post is derided as obsessive cherry picking. Investigating Tea Party organizers is important stuff, OWS organizers must not be discussed. Videos of Tea Party speeches advocating violence is a big deal, videos of OWS violence are forbidden.
The double standard is too much and too obvious. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest.

147 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:17:39pm

re: #122 engineer dog

yah, i feel the same way

if i want to chat at a more left wing site, i go to eschaton. i find them very congenial until the conversation turns to how obama is a republican

I used to like Eschaton. Then I met a few of the people who became front pagers/subs in real life and couldn’t stand any of them.

Each and every one of them had this attitude that they were way cooler than you, no matter who you were.

148 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:18:23pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

eschaton is my favorite blog :D

but I don’t comment there, I just watch

:-)

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:18:25pm

Three men in black said: don’t report this!

150 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:19:13pm

re: #132 Gus 802

ASL?

//

Negative I am a Meat Popsicle.

Youtube Video
151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:19:35pm

I have a body in my trunk. Now what?
[Link: www.tampabay.com…]

152 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:19:51pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout


Image: didntread.gif

153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:20:31pm

re: #147 makeitstop

I used to like Eschaton. Then I met a few of the people who became front pagers/subs in real life and couldn’t stand any of them.

Each and every one of them had this attitude that they were way cooler than you, no matter who you were.

Oh I never meet anyone :D It’s like if I found out X musician I liked was a total dick, eh, I just figure it’s their personality, go be a snot, I’ll just read the blog

154 zora  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:20:41pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Endorser: “It Is Dominion We Are After. World Conquest”

that the stuff pat robertson wants them to keep under wraps until after they are elected president.

155 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:20:57pm

re: #135 wlewisiii

As if Penn State wasn’t enough, now the Citadel as well…

[Link: www.npr.org…]

I hope more comes out. College campuses are notorious for covering up rapes of female students, handling them through campus channels and not reporting them to police. I’m sure that has contributed to the atmosphere that has enabled child abusers.

156 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:20:57pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

LGF certainly went far further left than I’d noticed. Like I said, it did dampen my enthusiasm for condemning right wing radicalism when left wing radicalism is off limits. Highlighting a stupid right wing blog post is a lot of fun for all, highlighting a stupid left wing post is derided as obsessive cherry picking. Investigating Tea Party organizers is important stuff, OWS organizers must not be discussed. Videos of Tea Party speeches advocating violence is a big deal, videos of OWS violence are forbidden.
The double standard is too much and too obvious. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest.

almost fanatic partisanship as well…people are just being themselves

157 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:21:35pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I went through a period where I started to take them at least semi-seriously but OWS has pretty much wiped out credibility for lefty sites for me. I’ve recently stopped taking stories from Think Progress and TPM too seriously. There’s some decent stuff but the lefty defense of some really indefensible OWS stuff has taken the wind out of my sails. I had kind of hoped the left was becoming more rational as the Tea Party went nuts. I was wrong.

Disagree strongly. On the whole, the OWS movement, outside of a few bad apples (which was more due to the long-term encampment attracting unsavories than the movement itself), has been extremely well-behaved. Unlike the TeaPartiers, there wasn’t recruitment efforts by groups like the Third Position, people proudly waving racist signs, nor calls for “second-amendment solutions” while brandishing weapons. There were a few instances of anti-Semitic individuals trying to get attention, but they either (a) were completely ignored or (b) found themselves surrounded by counter-demonstrators. The MBF argument simply doesn’t fly here.

158 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:21:40pm

OK, anyone see my hip-waders?

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:22:24pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There is a bit of that. However, certain types of OWS critique have made me revise some of my views on methodology of criticizing TP. I will readily acknowledge that some of the things said about TP were not fair (probably including things I said, though I don’t keep a mental record of those). (Though one can’t equate these two movements in the end.)

160 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:23:06pm

re: #153 WindUpBird

Oh I never meet anyone :D It’s like if I found out X musician I liked was a total dick, eh, I just figure it’s their personality, go be a snot, I’ll just read the blog

I wanted to like them, I really did. I’m inclined to give just about anyone the benefit of the doubt.

My wife caught the vibe about two minutes in and left, telling me she’d meet me at a bar down the street. About ten minutes later I excused myself after the collective dickishness got so obvious even I caught it.

161 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:23:24pm

re: #158 Gus 802

OK, anyone see my hip-waders?

What about your big shirt?

/I don’t even remember what that meant.

162 Idle Drifter  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:23:46pm

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a body in my trunk. Now what?
[Link: www.tampabay.com…]

Youtube Video

Pig Farm//

What the hell was he doing with a body in his trunk?

163 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:24:37pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

I hope more comes out. College campuses are notorious for covering up rapes of female students, handling them through campus channels and not reporting them to police. I’m sure that has contributed to the atmosphere that has enabled child abusers.

my daughter lived in a nice sorority house for three years….gated, wide views, well lit and guarded every night….worth the cost right there

164 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:25:12pm

re: #158 Gus 802

OK, anyone see my hip-waders?

They’re over by the shovel…

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:25:21pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

[Video]Pig Farm//

What the hell was he doing with a body in his trunk?

Check back tomorrow.:)

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:26:03pm

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

There is a bit of that. However, certain types of OWS critique have made me revise some of my views on methodology of criticizing TP. I will readily acknowledge that some of the things said about TP were not fair. (Though one can’t equate these two movements in the end.)

In the end, the TP are a part of the GOP base, organized by extremely well connected lobbying groups

top-down GOP, baby!


I find that to be perfectly fair :D

167 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:26:12pm

re: #163 albusteve

my daughter lived in a nice sorority house for three years…gated, wide views, well lit and guarded every night…worth the cost right there

I don’t think they had anything like that where I went. The sororities were as notorious for partying as the fraternities.

168 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:26:42pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

LGF certainly went far further left than I’d noticed. Like I said, it did dampen my enthusiasm for condemning right wing radicalism when left wing radicalism is off limits. Highlighting a stupid right wing blog post is a lot of fun for all, highlighting a stupid left wing post is derided as obsessive cherry picking. Investigating Tea Party organizers is important stuff, OWS organizers must not be discussed. Videos of Tea Party speeches advocating violence is a big deal, videos of OWS violence are forbidden.
The double standard is too much and too obvious. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest.

Oh, bullshit. I really haven’t noticed you being all that oppressed around here, and nobody’s stopping you from bringing up all the rapes and stabbings you like.

I told you I didn’t want videos by Lee Stranahan posted here, for reasons that should be pretty obvious. Apart from that, you’ve been able to play Cassandra all you like, and nobody’s “forbidding” you from saying anything.

169 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:27:03pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

In the end, the TP are a part of the GOP base, organized by extremely well connected lobbying groups

top-down GOP, baby!

I find that to be perfectly fair :D

True. The Tea Party literally became the Dick army.

//

170 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:28:39pm

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

There is a bit of that. However, certain types of OWS critique have made me revise some of my views on methodology of criticizing TP. I will readily acknowledge that some of the things said about TP were not fair. (Though one can’t equate these two movements in the end.)

You are fair to a fault. I’m still trying to find the fault, though. I’m sure it’s there somewhere…

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:28:52pm

re: #156 albusteve

almost fanatic partisanship as well…people are just being themselves

I’m incredibly partisan! Everything the TP wants, I don’t want, pretty simple to me

The crazier the GOP gets, the more partisan I become

In 1998-ish, I had much better things to say about the Republican party than I do now

America!

172 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:29:32pm

Well, (and this is a hit and run post) I currently have about ten middle schoolers who think that I am way cool, because I have a violet laser pointer.

(And three red ones. And a picture of the Loch Ness Toad. Not autographed, unfortunately.)

We discovered that if I pointed the laser pointer at the ceiling, and I sprayed a water spray bottle right over it, the beam of light becomes visible, and all it costs me is a slightly damp carpet.

173 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:30:10pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

I don’t think they had anything like that where I went. The sororities were as notorious for partying as the fraternities.

as I recall hers was nationally known for being pretty conservative and you had to be smart as a whip and a generous volunteer to be invited to join….don’t recall the name of it, but she absolutely loved it and served on the board for all three years….Grand Valley State in MI

174 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:30:36pm

re: #172 EmmmieG

Well, (and this is a hit and run post) I currently have about ten middle schoolers who think that I am way cool, because I have a violet laser pointer.

(And three red ones. And a picture of the Loch Ness Toad. Not autographed, unfortunately.)

We discovered that if I pointed the laser pointer at the ceiling, and I sprayed a water spray bottle right over it, the beam of light becomes visible, and all it costs me is a slightly damp carpet.

Science!

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:30:38pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

I don’t necessarily try to be fair, I just would like a bit of consistency inside my own head :)

176 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:30:58pm

re: #168 Charles

Oh, bullshit. I really haven’t noticed you being all that oppressed around here, and nobody’s stopping you from bringing up all the rapes and stabbings you like.

I told you I didn’t want videos by Lee Stranahan posted here, for reasons that should be pretty obvious. Apart from that, you’ve been able to play Cassandra all you like, and nobody’s forbidding you from saying anything.

I certainly don’t see a lot of other posts around here which accuse a fellow lizard of endorsing homemade explosives, rape and violence against law enforcement the way this one does.

177 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:31:32pm

re: #83 000G

How old is he?

7

178 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:31:40pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

I’m incredibly partisan! Everything the TP wants, I don’t want, pretty simple to me

The crazier the GOP gets, the more partisan I become

In 1998-ish, I had much better things to say about the Republican party than I do now

America!

that makes sense…I mostly wander around in the middle latitudes

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:31:57pm

re: #172 EmmmieG

Well, (and this is a hit and run post) I currently have about ten middle schoolers who think that I am way cool, because I have a violet laser pointer.

(And three red ones. And a picture of the Loch Ness Toad. Not autographed, unfortunately.)

We discovered that if I pointed the laser pointer at the ceiling, and I sprayed a water spray bottle right over it, the beam of light becomes visible, and all it costs me is a slightly damp carpet.

you need a fog machine!

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:32:19pm

re: #177 Alouette

7

In 10 years the world will tremble!

181 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:32:21pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

LGF certainly went far further left than I’d noticed. Like I said, it did dampen my enthusiasm for condemning right wing radicalism when left wing radicalism is off limits. Highlighting a stupid right wing blog post is a lot of fun for all, highlighting a stupid left wing post is derided as obsessive cherry picking. Investigating Tea Party organizers is important stuff, OWS organizers must not be discussed. Videos of Tea Party speeches advocating violence is a big deal, videos of OWS violence are forbidden.
The double standard is too much and too obvious. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest.

*deadpan* Help, help, I’m being repressed.

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:32:35pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

you need a fog machine!

And some acid!! (And Jane’s Addiction)

183 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:33:37pm

re: #175 Sergey Romanov

I don’t necessarily try to be fair, I just would like a bit of consistency inside my own head :)

I have a consistency in my head; it’s like pudding.

/back to work.

184 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:33:54pm

re: #157 RadicalModerate

Quick addendum (for some reason edit pencil didn’t work)

Unlike commenters on places like FoxNews, I don’t remember any calls from the left-leaning sites calling for the violent suppression of Tea Party demonstrators. Rightwingers, on the other hand, wanted to see a replay of Kent State at the OWS locations.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:34:31pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

I have a consistency in my head; it’s like pudding.

/back to work.

Mine is more of a hobgoblin. /

186 brennant  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:35:12pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*deadpan* Help, help, I’m being repressed.

Bloody peasant!

187 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:35:35pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

LGF certainly went far further left than I’d noticed. Like I said, it did dampen my enthusiasm for condemning right wing radicalism when left wing radicalism is off limits. Highlighting a stupid right wing blog post is a lot of fun for all, highlighting a stupid left wing post is derided as obsessive cherry picking. Investigating Tea Party organizers is important stuff, OWS organizers must not be discussed. Videos of Tea Party speeches advocating violence is a big deal, videos of OWS violence are forbidden.
The double standard is too much and too obvious. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest.

There is some truth to that. Certainly a double standard of sorts exists, although it could be said that the double standard is due to the great differences in influence and scope between the radical left and the radical right.

However, your initial sociopathic joy in the pain of others dampened most of the discussion your posts might otherwise have started. Following those arguments, your lack of objective criticism and generally weak tactics, such as accusing others of ridiculous positions like pro-rape and not fact checking before posting meant that any point you might have had was lost in the background of your obvious hate.

188 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:35:53pm

re: #185 Sergey Romanov

Mine is more of a hobgoblin. /

some type of rock?
jus kidding

189 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:36:13pm

@ryanjreilly:
These #Occupy protestors are making me late for Jack Abramoff’s book party.

190 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:37:34pm

re: #189 jaunte

@ryanjreilly:
These #Occupy protestors are making me late for Jack Abramoff’s book party.

where Jack unveils the rampant insider trading within congress…I believe it

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:38:27pm

re: #188 albusteve

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — ‘Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.’ — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

(TBH, never liked this statement.)

192 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:39:23pm

Evening Lizardim. Wow, what a day. 4chan gets nuked and OWS gets strong-armed out of Zuccotti Park. What next?

193 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:40:05pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

[Video]Pig Farm//

What the hell was he doing with a body in his trunk?

He just bought the car on Craigslist, as is!

194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:41:04pm

re: #156 albusteve

almost fanatic partisanship as well…people are just being themselves

Hilarious. Some of the big-fattest partisans around are the ones always pointing and crying about others being “partisan” 9_9

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:41:34pm

re: #193 Alouette

He just bought the car on Craigslist, as is!

The ad read: Body has a few holes in it.:)

196 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:42:41pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

The ad read: Body has a few holes in it.:)

I’m sure those will buff right out.

//

197 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:42:57pm

re: #191 Sergey Romanov

(TBH, never liked this statement.)

seems to me that consistency is one aspect of success, at least in the physical world, where I live

198 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:43:21pm

Image: 999x.jpg

An Occupy Wall Street demonstrator smiles while holding a sign after being allowed back into Zuccotti Park near Wall Street in New York November 15, 2011. A judge upheld New York City’s legal justification for evicting Occupy Wall Street protesters from the park on Tuesday when police in riot gear broke up a two-month-old demonstration against economic inequality.

199 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:43:34pm

re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hilarious. Some of the big-fattest partisans around are the ones always pointing and crying about others being “partisan” 9_9

I am not fat!

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:44:00pm

re: #196 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m sure those will buff right out.

//

I’m gonna need some bondo and a band aid.
/

201 zora  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:44:12pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

firedoglake is my least favorite lefty blog. jane hamsher is an asshole.

202 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:44:31pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Image: 999x.jpg

An Occupy Wall Street demonstrator smiles while holding a sign after being allowed back into Zuccotti Park near Wall Street in New York November 15, 2011. A judge upheld New York City’s legal justification for evicting Occupy Wall Street protesters from the park on Tuesday when police in riot gear broke up a two-month-old demonstration against economic inequality.

great sign

203 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:44:45pm

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m gonna need some bondo and a band aid.
/

Scalpel. Forceps. Duct tape.

204 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:45:00pm

Dammit. Just found this news story. I knew he was ill, but wasn’t aware that it had advanced to this stage.

Terry Pratchett starts process to take his own life

Sir Terry Pratchett, the fantasy writer who was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s in 2008, said yesterday he had started the formal process that could lead to his own assisted suicide at the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland.

Pratchett, whose BBC2 film about the subject of assisted suicide is to be shown on BBC2 tomorrow, revealed he had been sent the consent forms requesting a suicide by the clinic and planned to sign them imminently.

“The only thing stopping me [signing them] is that I have made this film and I have a bloody book to finish,” he said during a question-and-answer session following a screening at the Sheffield documentary festival Doc/Fest.

205 Buck  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:45:07pm

re: #20 Obdicut

They managed to clean it up once; they could have probably done so again if Bloomberg had directly negotiated with them about it.

Ya, cause people normally need to negotiate in order to not pee, poop and barf where they sleep.

Funny

206 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:45:07pm

my political point of view is pretty mainstream and boring from the point of view of any country besides the united states

which in the context of american politics makes me a dangerous leftist radical

207 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:45:07pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

eschaton is my favorite blog :D

but I don’t comment there, I just watch

I’ll look there. I’ve stopped lurking Kos and DU because of their format more than their politics. Lizards is spoiled.

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:45:21pm

re: #201 zora

firedoglake is my least favorite lefty blog. jane hamsher is an asshole.

Flaming turdbag of a blog. Not counting all the PUMAs, of course.

209 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:46:08pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

I’ll look there. I’ve stopped lurking Kos and DU because of their format more than their politics. Lizards is spoiled.

Yes, yes we are. In addition to a thoughtful and insightful blogger, Charles is a master Web designer.

210 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:47:11pm

re: #209 thedopefishlives

Yes, yes we are. In addition to a thoughtful and insightful blogger, Charles is a master Web designer.

and digs quality music

211 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:47:26pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Image: 999x.jpg

An Occupy Wall Street demonstrator smiles while holding a sign after being allowed back into Zuccotti Park near Wall Street in New York November 15, 2011. A judge upheld New York City’s legal justification for evicting Occupy Wall Street protesters from the park on Tuesday when police in riot gear broke up a two-month-old demonstration against economic inequality.

i know!!!

OWS should put on san francisco mime troupe style political comedy theatre performances!

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:48:22pm

re: #210 albusteve

and digs quality music

And gives us every little improvement if we complain enough. (he does that to shut us up, I’m sure)

213 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:48:22pm

re: #211 engineer dog

i know!!!

OWS should put on san francisco mime troupe style political comedy theatre performances!

Flash mobs.

214 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:49:13pm

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a body in my trunk. Now what?
[Link: www.tampabay.com…]

Is he still cool in the HOV lane, then?

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:49:36pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Flash mobs.

Flash mobs to flash moobs.

/sorry sorry sorry

216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:49:50pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AFA blames “homosexual agenda” for Penn State Scandal

e_e AFA

funny, I blame socon violence and repression. So I guess it’s even steven. /

217 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:49:50pm

That asshole who said all Muslims need to be purged from the military has decided to double down on the bigotry.

Tennessee State Rep. Rick Womick Calls Allah A ‘False God,’ Warns Of A Muslim Immigrant ‘Population Jihad’

ThinkProgress’ Eli Clifton asked Womick why no one at the conference had acknowledged Anders Breivik, the shooter in Norway who killed dozens of innocent people because of his fears of Muslim immigration and of policies he believed were too tolerant of Islam. Womick shot back that Muslims had executed innocent Americans, and then explained that we could never compare Islam with acts by people like Breivik, an outspoken Christian, because Allah is “a false God”:

WOMICK: Now you explain to me the more radical point. We have a whole culture who outright comes out and says, ‘we are authorized, we are commanded by a God, a false God, to kill everyone who won’t convert.’ Versus one nutjob over in Norway –

CLIFTON: Sorry, you said Allah is a false God?

WOMICH: Yep, absolutely. Absolutely he’s a false God. There’s only one God: Jehovah. And the son, Christ Jesus who died on the Cross. Now because I believe that, I have a Fatwa on my head. I will never convert to Islam. Allah is not a real God.

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:50:06pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Is he still cool in the HOV lane, then?

He could get more in there actually. If he cut them up right.

219 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:50:33pm

Now the right wing can go back to focusing on what Obama had for lunch!

No wait they never stopped.

220 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:50:41pm

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

He could get more in there actually. If he cut them up right.

…I don’t even want to know how you know that.

221 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:50:51pm

re: #2 neilk

Correction—they can return to the park (it would be an awfully strange decision that said they couldn’t), but the ban on tents, sleeping bags and generators has been deemed enforceable.

CBS news was just there. The drums are going again. I expect to see some sort of 24 hour rotating presence and they will be noisier then ever just to make sure everybody knows they are not leaving. Also expect a swarm of lawsuits involving private property that was destroyed since it was done under another judge’s restraining order.

222 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:51:21pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

false god!
sounds like a gameshow

223 blueraven  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:52:15pm

re: #205 Buck

Ya, cause people normally need to negotiate in order to not pee, poop and barf where they sleep.

Funny

Most people dont come in just to shit on the blog they frequent either. Others do…

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:52:18pm

re: #220 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

…I don’t even want to know how you know that.

Geez. I read 3 or 4 serial killer books and I’m branded….

225 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:52:21pm

re: #205 Buck

Ya, cause people normally need to negotiate in order to not pee, poop and barf where they sleep.

Funny

Buck swooped by to make a guano drop.

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:52:45pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That asshole who said all Muslims need to be purged from the military has decided to double down on the bigotry.

Tennessee State Rep. Rick Womick Calls Allah A ‘False God,’ Warns Of A Muslim Immigrant ‘Population Jihad’

I decided to officially rename him to Womit.

227 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:52:58pm

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Geez. I read 3 or 4 serial killer books and I’m branded…

Is that all? You’re sure you’re not a clean-up guy for the mob?

//

228 Buck  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:53:00pm

re: #223 blueraven

Most people dont come in just to least shit on the blog they frequent either. Others do…

Didn’t shit on the blog, did I?

229 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:53:00pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Flash mobs.

Go PETA style: Flesh Mobs.

230 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:54:27pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Calling ‘Population Jihad’ = demographic panic.

231 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:54:46pm

Somebody opened fire in UC Berkeley. Apprehended. 1 wounded.

232 blueraven  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:54:47pm

re: #228 Buck

Didn’t shit on the blog, did I?

I didn’t mention any names, but if the smell continues, I will let you know.

233 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:55:10pm

re: #231 Sergey Romanov

Somebody opened fire in UC Berkeley. Apprehended. 1 wounded.

link?

234 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:55:58pm

re: #192 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. Wow, what a day. 4chan gets nuked and OWS gets strong-armed out of Zuccotti Park. What next?

Buck tells us what he knows Herman Cain is guilty of.

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:56:05pm

re: #187 Renaissance_Man

However, your initial sociopathic joy in the pain of others dampened most of the discussion your posts might otherwise have started.

Like I said, I didn’t realize how far left LGF had gone. I seriously didn’t expect so much support for these protests. My mistake.

Following those arguments, your lack of objective criticism and generally weak tactics, such as accusing others of ridiculous positions like pro-rape and not fact checking before posting meant that any point you might have had was lost in the background of your obvious hate.

There’s a lot of that going around there are certain posters who obsessively characterize my views and spend a lot of time trying to twist my mundane statements into something sinister. So it goes.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:56:12pm

re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea

link?

I just checked Reuters. Nothing yet.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:56:21pm

re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea

[Link: www.google.com…]

238 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:56:28pm

re: #234 oaktree

Buck tells us what he knows Herman Cain is guilty of.

Wasn’t that last week or something?

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:57:27pm

re: #237 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.google.com…]

[Link: abclocal.go.com…]
4 minutes old.

240 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:57:36pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That asshole who said all Muslims need to be purged from the military has decided to double down on the bigotry.

Tennessee State Rep. Rick Womick Calls Allah A ‘False God,’ Warns Of A Muslim Immigrant ‘Population Jihad’

Womick is a bigoted asshole of the highest order; his local GOP bio reads like a TPer’s wet dream:

[Link: www.rutherfordgop.org…]

A Tenther bigot, a “pro-lifer”, a xenophobe…and a dick.

241 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:57:38pm

re: #238 thedopefishlives

Wasn’t that last week or something?

Buck lives inside some peoples heads 24/7

242 blueraven  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:57:39pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Like I said, I didn’t realize how far left LGF had gone. I seriously didn’t expect so much support for these protests. My mistake.

There’s a lot of that going around there are certain posters who obsessively characterize my views and spend a lot of time trying to twist my mundane statements into something sinister. So it goes.

KT, you are anything but mundane.

243 zora  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:58:28pm

re: #190 albusteve

where Jack unveils the rampant insider trading within congress…I believe it

he should name names. it’s not like he can hurt his reputation or anything.

244 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:58:44pm

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually first saw it on a Russian news site. Then had to go to Google news to provide a link.

245 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:58:48pm

For the record, it should be hugely unsurprising that a member of the power structure (ie a judge) sided with the power structure.

246 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:59:10pm

re: #228 Buck

Didn’t shit on the blog, did I?

The smear is on my computer screen.

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:59:25pm

re: #244 Sergey Romanov

I actually first saw it on a Russian news site. Then had to go to Google news to provide a link.

Commie.
///

248 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:59:49pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Image: 100_percent_spin_doctor_tshirt-p235170265999141210zve57_400.jpg

249 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:59:52pm

re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar

Commie.
///

Our KGB sources are still faster than yours! ///

250 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:00:00pm

re: #245 windsagio

For the record, it should be hugely unsurprising that a member of the power structure (ie a judge) sided with the power structure.

So, property rights are now out the window when protests are involved?

251 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:00:11pm

re: #243 zora

he should name names. it’s not like he can hurt his reputation or anything.

maybe he does…I almost posted about this book last week, but figured it would be slammed as anti govt…I simply do not trust congress at all

252 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:00:21pm

re: #246 celticdragon

The smear is on my computer screen.

You sure Mr. Hankey didn’t pay a visit?

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:00:36pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“I have a fatwa on my head”

lol

254 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:00:37pm

It’s been a busy day at Occupy LA: 5 Occupy LA protesters face charges in camp crimes

Five Occupy Los Angeles demonstrators have been charged with committing crimes at the City Hall campsite.

The city attorney’s office said Tuesday Farid Ahntab is charged with assault with a deadly weapon and resisting arrest after he allegedly brandished a knife at a police officer and tried to set a food vendor on fire.

Robert Holland Jr. is also charged with brandishing a knife and resisting arrest.

Angele Chaidez is charged with lewd conduct stemming from his alleged masturbation on City Hall steps last week.

Zachary Isaac faces a battery charge for allegedly entering a tent and punching a woman in the face.

Michael Thompson is charged with battery and resisting arrest after allegedly trying to grab a toddler from his parent, punching a mediator, and fighting with arresting officers.

Yeesh. Sounds like a pretty stabby bunch.

255 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:00:49pm

Hurricane Ike Destroys Home, Owner Faces Foreclosure on Nonexistent House
BoA incompetence.

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:01:21pm

re: #206 engineer dog

my political point of view is pretty mainstream and boring from the point of view of any country besides the united states

which in the context of american politics makes me a dangerous leftist radical

We’re radically normal!

257 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:03:12pm

re: #250 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Zucotti is kind of a weird case I admit.

But still, is anybody surprised that the judge ruled this way? Altho I thought they’d rule with the police on the ‘public photography’ thing too, so maybe I’m a bit too cynical :p

258 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:03:14pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

It’s been a busy day at Occupy LA: 5 Occupy LA protesters face charges in camp crimes

Yeesh. Sounds like a pretty stabby bunch.

I’m sure that the General Assembly there will be quick to address these incidents and institute measures to ensure no further incidents occur.

//

259 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:03:20pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Like I said, I didn’t realize how far left LGF had gone. I seriously didn’t expect so much support for these protests. My mistake.

I don’t know about this one. I think the reason you see so much support for OWS is because LGF isn’t a right-wing echo chamber, not necessarily that we’re that far to the left. If you think that’s a huge shift to the left, then I wonder if you ever knew where LGF was on the political spectrum to begin with.

260 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:03:42pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Like I said, I didn’t realize how far left LGF had gone. I seriously didn’t expect so much support for these protests. My mistake.

There’s a lot of that going around there are certain posters who obsessively characterize my views and spend a lot of time trying to twist my mundane statements into something sinister. So it goes.

Reminds me of the time I quoted Obama’s position on gay marriage as a potentially sensible one (without attributing it to him) and was called a bigot.

But on to more important questions: adding mushrooms to soup that I’m making from scratch. Sautee them lightly first or just let them boil?

261 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:04:52pm

re: #257 windsagio

Zucotti is kind of a weird case I admit.

But still, is anybody surprised that the judge ruled this way? Altho I thought they’d rule with the police on the ‘public photography’ thing too, so maybe I’m a bit too cynical :p

Judge really has no choice. To rule in favor of allowing the protesters to continue living in Zuccotti, he’d have to rule that property rights end where the First Amendment begins. A ruling that a higher court would be quick to overturn anyway.

262 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:04:58pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

Saute first. Get the carmelization and flavors out. Boiling them will not release as much flavor.

263 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:04:59pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

But on to more important questions: adding mushrooms to soup that I’m making from scratch. Sautee them lightly first or just let them boil?

Tough call. I’d vote for sautee with a little butter first.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:05:01pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

Reminds me of the time I quoted Obama’s position on gay marriage as a potentially sensible one (without attributing it to him) and was called a bigot.

But on to more important questions: adding mushrooms to soup that I’m making from scratch. Sautee them lightly first or just let them boil?

Don’t let them boil. Bring the soup to desired temperature and throw in the mushrooms raw. Wait 20 minutes.

265 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:05:08pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WOMICH: Yep, absolutely. Absolutely he’s a false God. There’s only one God: Jehovah. And the son, Christ Jesus who died on the Cross. Two, two gods. Oh, yes, and the Holy Spirit. There are only three Gods, and Allah isn’t any of them!!1 Now because I believe that, I have a Fatwa on my head. I will never convert to Islam. Allah is not a real God.

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:05:55pm

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don’t let them boil. Bring the soup to desired temperature and throw in the mushrooms raw. Wait 20 minutes.

This way the mushrooms will absorb the flavor of the soups’ base.

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:06:06pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

But on to more important questions: adding mushrooms to soup that I’m making from scratch.

(Don’t tell Kragar.)

268 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:06:34pm

re: #262 lawhawk

Saute first. Get the carmelization and flavors out. Boiling them will not release as much flavor.

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Tough call. I’d vote for sautee with a little butter first.

Place is becoming a freakn’ echo chamber.

269 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:06:38pm

re: #258 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m sure that the General Assembly there will be quick to address these incidents and institute measures to ensure no further incidents occur.

//

LA has been pretty quiet. This is the kind of thing that’ll get them shut down.

270 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:06:41pm

re: #245 windsagio

For the record, it should be hugely unsurprising that a member of the power structure (ie a judge) sided with the power structure.

It’s private property, no? We should be applauding the owners’ patience. I’d have kicked those idiots off of my lawn a month ago.

271 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:06:43pm

who would put mushrooms in their soup?….
madness

272 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:07:01pm

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

This way the mushrooms will absorb the flavor of the soups’ base.

But then throw in the butter too, right?

273 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:07:02pm

re: #245 windsagio

For the record, it should be hugely unsurprising that a member of the power structure (ie a judge) sided with the power structure.

They’re all part of the Matrix!

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:07:21pm

re: #271 albusteve

who would put mushrooms in their soup?…
madness

Uh, a mushroom soup maker?
/

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:07:43pm

re: #271 albusteve

who would put mushrooms in their soup?…
madness

Why not? We all die in the end anyway.

276 zora  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:07:54pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

i’d saute lightly first.

277 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:08:00pm

re: #265 wrenchwench

Who said Jehovah?

278 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:08:13pm

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

Uh, a mushroom soup maker?
/

mushrooms are like fancy dirt

279 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:08:33pm

re: #261 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The case also affects real estate in NYC going forward. Developers who build apartment buildings and office towers routinely build these plazas in exchange for air rights to build taller buildings. If you rule that the protesters can do what they want and supersede any property rights the building owners retain, it would reduce the value of those plazas/parks and we’d likely see not only fewer parks going forward, but more restrictions on public plazas to limit this.

Zuccotti was a very unusual case because Brookfield didn’t have a clear policy on use before - and changed policies midstream (but they have the right to do so as owner).

So, there’s a need to balance the protesters’ rights to free speech (and they can still protest there, just not camping with tents overnight).

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:08:40pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

But then throw in the butter too, right?

If it’s a cream soup you won’t need to since it might already be there. If it isn’t, you won’t need to.

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:08:48pm

re: #265 wrenchwench

hail tiamat

282 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:09:20pm

re: #168 Charles

I’m trying to be respectful of the rules. I didn’t post the video of the OWS protester shitting in the street because Brietbart posted it earlier today. I don’t know the original source an I really don’t feel like investigating.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:09:33pm

re: #278 albusteve

mushrooms are like fancy dirt

Mushrooms are grown in poop. So, fancy poop, if not washed right.

284 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:09:33pm

re: #271 albusteve

who would put mushrooms in their soup?…
madness

No, madness is pineapple on pizza.

285 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:09:41pm

re: #265 wrenchwench

Doctrine of the Trinity FAIL. The Council at Nicea is going to have strong words for Rep Womich.

286 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:09:54pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

damn you just made me think of a better response to #235.

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Re:KT’s self-image

Image: front_heart.jpg

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:09:58pm

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

No, madness is pineapple on pizza.

Thank you. What kind of soup are you making?

288 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:10:13pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

I’m trying to be respectful of the rules. I didn’t post the video of the OWS protester shitting in the street because Brietbart posted it earlier today. I don’t know the original source an I really don’t feel like investigating.

I’d post a picture of a bank shitting in the street..


oh wait! We already see that all around us!

289 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:10:30pm

Hey all!

I guess it’s been an eventful day.

I was busy and didn’t pay attention.

What happened? and How are you?

290 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:10:51pm

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar

If it’s a cream soup you won’t need to since it might already be there. If it isn’t, you won’t need to.

Black bean and ham. Traditionally, it wouldn’t have mushrooms. But I’m shockingly progressive, as far as dirty capitalist pigs go…

291 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:11:01pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Keeping up on Breitbart eh?

Funny where you find your friends when the chips are down.

292 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:11:18pm

re: #285 The Ghost of a Flea

Doctrine of the Trinity FAIL. The Council at Nicea is going to have strong words for Rep Womich.

(Not a real quote.)

293 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:11:20pm

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mushrooms are grown in poop. So, fancy poop, if not washed right.

Which is why my husband refuses to eat them.

294 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:11:31pm

re: #275 Sergey Romanov

Why not? We all die in the end anyway.

Thanks a lot. Put up a spoiler alert next time.

295 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:11:57pm

Meanwhile, Syrian opposition continues being slaughtered - 50+ killed in the latest clashes.

296 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:12:29pm

re: #291 windsagio

Keeping up on Breitbart eh?

Funny where you find your friends when the chips are down.

I started checking because the videos aren’t allowed here. I want to see what’s in them and I don’t want to post something after he does to avoid the accusation of using his links.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:12:40pm

re: #290 Aceofwhat?

Black bean and ham. Traditionally, it wouldn’t have mushrooms. But I’m shockingly progressive, as far as dirty capitalist pigs go…

In that case 1/4 the mushrooms (if using button) and throw them in when you finish heating the soup. And you should use andoullie sausage, really. And top with a dollop of sour cream.

298 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:12:46pm

re: #291 windsagio

Keeping up on Breitbart eh?

Funny where you find your friends when the chips are down.

Unfair. Someone has to work the sewers.

299 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:13:07pm

re: #279 lawhawk

The case also affects real estate in NYC going forward. Developers who build apartment buildings and office towers routinely build these plazas in exchange for air rights to build taller buildings. If you rule that the protesters can do what they want and supersede any property rights the building owners retain, it would reduce the value of those plazas/parks and we’d likely see not only fewer parks going forward, but more restrictions on public plazas to limit this.

Zuccotti was a very unusual case because Brookfield didn’t have a clear policy on use before - and changed policies midstream (but they have the right to do so as owner).

So, there’s a need to balance the protesters’ rights to free speech (and they can still protest there, just not overnight).

And I think it was the right decision to make. Throwing the protesters out completely would simply cause too many problems, but allowing them to continue to camp out there would set a precedent that would likely be quickly overturned, as well as have dire results (as you stated) for the city going forward.

OWS needs to start thinking more constructively, to put the money and support it’s generated since the beginning to expanding the movement and evolving it. Even if all they do is rent out a flop house for the winter, at least it’s something.

300 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:13:09pm

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

No, madness is pineapple on pizza.

agreed….these ‘pizza experts’ around here from Kansas have no clue….probably nice folks otherwise

301 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:13:30pm

re: #291 windsagio

Keeping up on Breitbart eh?

Funny where you find your friends when the chips are down.

If you’re going to take a cheap shot, at least be funny.

302 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:13:45pm

re: #285 The Ghost of a Flea

Doctrine of the Trinity FAIL. The Council at Nicea is going to have strong words for Rep Womich.

And they might banish him to the Phantom Zone. Oh, wait, I’m getting theology history mixed up with 80s superhero movies again.

303 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:14:29pm

re: #301 Aceofwhat?

If you’re going to take a cheap shot, at least be funny.

They’ve been accusing me of being an agent of Breitbart for a while now. Don’t bother.

304 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:15:07pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

They’ve been accusing me of being an agent of Breitbart for a while now. Don’t bother.

Agent? LOL Ummmm. No. Put the bong down dude.

305 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:15:30pm

re: #297 Cannadian Club Akbar

In that case 1/4 the mushrooms (if using button) and throw them in when you finish heating the soup. And you should use andoullie sausage, really. And top with a dollop of sour cream.

As is often the case during my weeks up here in O-hio, I’m sitting in front of a pile of random ingredients and wondering what the hell to do with them. I had ham and ground beef in the refrigerator, and I just made spaghetti with the ground beef last week.

306 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:16:01pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

They’ve been accusing me of being an agent of Breitbart for a while now. Don’t bother.

ugh. how tiresome.

307 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:16:11pm

re: #302 Charleston Chew

And they might banish him to the Phantom Zone. Oh, wait, I’m getting theology history mixed up with 80s superhero movies again.

“Kneel before Jehovah!”

//

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:16:27pm

re: #306 Aceofwhat?

ugh. how tiresome.

don’t mind us, we love rape

309 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:16:34pm

re: #307 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

“Kneel before Jehovah!”

//

The penitent man shall pass.

310 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:16:35pm

re: #306 Aceofwhat?

ugh. how tiresome.

Nobody accused him of being an agent. That’s a load of crap.

311 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:17:17pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

dude you’ve referenced them a few times!

For Deb, I’ll take care of the checking up on them: “They made up lies about things they don’t like again”.

It’s like going to look at the stalkers to ‘make sure they’re not up to something.’

312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:17:28pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

don’t mind us, we love rape

Don’t come close either, we stab.

313 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:17:46pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Nobody accused him of being an agent. That’s a load of crap.

No, just a sociopath. Yawn.

314 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:17:55pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Nobody accused him of being an agent. That’s a load of crap.

bullshit, define crap

315 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:18pm

re: #314 albusteve

bullshit, define crap

Mushrooms.

316 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:20pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

don’t mind us, we love rape

I’m sure that’s a direct quote.

317 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:20pm

Great. The wingnuts are here.

318 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:31pm

re: #302 Charleston Chew

And they might banish him to the Phantom Zone. Oh, wait, I’m getting theology history mixed up with 80s superhero movies again.

The Trinity is not Zod, Ursa, Non.

319 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:33pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

also, did I mention the martyr complex thing? I think I did.

Nobody’s accusing KT of being an ‘agent’ of anything but his own obsessions.

320 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:51pm

re: #300 albusteve

agreed…these ‘pizza experts’ around here from Kansas have no clue…probably nice folks otherwise

How dare you slander the birthplace of Pizza Hut, the leading innovators in finding new holes to stuff cheese into!

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:18:52pm

re: #305 Aceofwhat?

As is often the case during my weeks up here in O-hio, I’m sitting in front of a pile of random ingredients and wondering what the hell to do with them. I had ham and ground beef in the refrigerator, and I just made spaghetti with the ground beef last week.

If you are using canned beans (I’m guessing yes) take out half the beans with liquid and throw them in the blender or food processor. Add it back to the soup. Will be nice and thick.

322 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:19:05pm

re: #311 windsagio

dude you’ve referenced them a few times!

For Deb, I’ll take care of the checking up on them: “They made up lies about things they don’t like again”.

It’s like going to look at the stalkers to ‘make sure they’re not up to something.’

don’t you love social media?….you can practice psychiatry all day!

323 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:19:13pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Great. The wingnuts are here.

The wingnuts are coming! The wingnuts are coming!

/Anybody got a lantern I can hang in the Old North Church?

324 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:19:25pm

re: #320 Charleston Chew

How dare you slander the birthplace of Pizza Hut, the leading innovators in finding new holes to stuff cheese into!

That just ended in a very bad place.

/

325 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:19:40pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Great. The wingnuts are here.

so are you

326 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:19:56pm

re: #314 albusteve

bullshit, define crap

occasionally you’re damn funny, just so you know.

327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:02pm

re: #316 Aceofwhat?

I’m sure that’s a direct quote.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

328 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:07pm

re: #315 wrenchwench

Mushrooms.

Which, when added to my bean soup, will help to perpetuate more crap in my belly. It turns out that the circle of life is a big circle of crap. Tasty, black bean ham and mushroom crap!

329 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:11pm

re: #325 albusteve

so are you

OK Mr. Cogent TFK.

330 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:46pm

re: #311 windsagio

…snip.
It’s like going to look at the stalkers to ‘make sure they’re not up to something.’

Used to do that regularly via cache. They seem to have dwindled and lost their more pathological commenters.

331 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:48pm

re: #322 albusteve

Social media? I’ve been able to peg people on the internet since at least 1992!

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:48pm

re: #315 wrenchwench

Mushrooms.

Wassup with all the mushroom-hate?

333 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:20:51pm

re: #324 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That just ended in a very bad place.

/

…a preposition

334 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:21:49pm

re: #333 Aceofwhat?

…a preposition

Is that what they’re calling it nowadays?

/

335 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:05pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

LGF certainly went far further left than I’d noticed. Like I said, it did dampen my enthusiasm for condemning right wing radicalism when left wing radicalism is off limits. Highlighting a stupid right wing blog post is a lot of fun for all, highlighting a stupid left wing post is derided as obsessive cherry picking. Investigating Tea Party organizers is important stuff, OWS organizers must not be discussed. Videos of Tea Party speeches advocating violence is a big deal, videos of OWS violence are forbidden.

I’ve been posting here for about a year and a half, and mostly lurking & observing for just over a month now, and I don’t see a huge difference from the day I registered. Some of the farther right leaning members have left quietly, flounced, or been banned, as have some of the farther left members.

There are plenty of subjects on which LGF is still right of center. Was the TP unfairly criticized in some cases? Yeah, looking back, it was. Have all of the criticism of OWS been fair. No, but you’re loath to admit it and now you’re framing it in such a way that everyone to the left of center is a cherry-picking hypocrite with nary a leg to stand on WRT criticism of the right. Sorry to say this, but that’s a Buck tactic—you’re better than that, smarter than that. So are we.

Several lefties—or radical leftists, moonbats, however you have us all classified now—tried to tell you from the beginning that your tone was inflammatory. We (myself included) asked you to post Pages, to try discussing it more calmly. You declined, for whatever reason.

So now OWS has become like Anonymous, the last subject I remember that became hugely contentious here. Lines were drawn then too, with the majority coming down to the right of center, and anyone who dissented got the living shit kicked out of them. I’m fairly certain they felt the same then that you do now. Some of the people who were right of center WRT Anonymous, came down left of center on OWS. There’s an ebb & flow here, and many Lizards (though certainly not all) cross from one side of center to the other regularly. It seems to me that nothing much has really changed here.

The double standard is too much and too obvious. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest.

Sorry, but IMO this is pure bullshit, KT—you’re back in Buck territory. Despite all it’s blemishes past & present, LGF is currently still the most intellectually honest place I know of for political discussion.

Frankly, I’m glad the police have run everyone off if for no other reason than that things can now calm down here and we can have rational discussions once again.

//Jumps down off soapbox.

336 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:08pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

only thing I’ve seen from any of those guys in a while is that they keep putting my @ in twitter, I presume its a ruse for attention :p

337 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:19pm

re: #333 Aceofwhat?

…a preposition

Everybody’s a puking English teacher!!1!

338 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:28pm

re: #316 Aceofwhat?

I’m sure that’s a direct quote.

And while we’re at it, [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

339 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:31pm

re: #329 Gus 802

OK Mr. Cogent TFK.

oh great, the name droppers are here!

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:41pm

re: #332 Sergey Romanov

Wassup with all the mushroom-hate?

psst. stuffed mushrooms with crab meat wrapped in bacon

341 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:22:53pm

re: #320 Charleston Chew

How dare you slander the birthplace of Pizza Hut, the leading innovators in finding new holes to stuff cheese into!

At this point, new cheese installation vectors are a serious engineering feat. They’ve endowed an engineering lab at CalTech specifically to address this issue.

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:23:14pm

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

psst. stuffed mushrooms with crab meat wrapped in bacon

At last some sanity!

343 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:24:44pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

It’s been a busy day at Occupy LA: 5 Occupy LA protesters face charges in camp crimes

Yeesh. Sounds like a pretty stabby bunch.

so where’s your detailed analysis comparing the crime rate at occupy LA to the typical crime rate in neighborhoods in LA?

maybe the crime rate at the encampments is lower than in surrounding area, who knows?

344 Kragar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:02pm

re: #267 Sergey Romanov

(Don’t tell Kragar.)

Mushrooms are fine.

Shrooms are a completely different matter entirely.

345 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:19pm

re: #331 windsagio

Social media? I’ve been able to peg people on the internet since at least 1992!

We were there when Lycos had a gigantic terrifying spider GIF as its logo, dammit :D

346 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:24pm

re: #342 Sergey Romanov

At last some sanity!

give me a jar of Cheez Whiz any day

347 blueraven  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:29pm

re: #313 Aceofwhat?

No, just a sociopath. Yawn.

You have that backward. The rest of us are fucking raping, stabbing loving, moonbats…the world according to KT

348 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:41pm

re: #338 Sergey Romanov

And while we’re at it, [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

This one explains most of it…

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I love the revisionism and the “victumtude.”

349 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:56pm

re: #332 Sergey Romanov

Wassup with all the mushroom-hate?

I just made mushroom spinach lasagna for dinner!

350 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:25:59pm

re: #335 CuriousLurker

Sometimes a voice of reason is like an anvil on the head out of the blue sky.
/

351 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:26:16pm

No change. I’m holding the line.

352 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:26:26pm

re: #345 WindUpBird

We were there when Lycos had a gigantic terrifying spider GIF as its logo, dammit :D

Lycos, there’s a throwback. I remember back when Dogpile was still a thing.

For those who never used Dogpile, it searched multiple search engines at once.

353 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:26:44pm

re: #347 blueraven

well I kind of understand why he feels that way, KT’s been consistently raped in discussion over the last 2 months.

354 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:26:51pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Which I actually think could be good for Occupy, in the end. It changes the focus away from logistical problems.

They need to take the next step. Offices. Become professional advocates. Offices, phones and a PR campaign. Step up or fade away. Occupy tent events should be targeted and temporary. Not that I’m their best adviser, just my opinion.

355 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:27:00pm

re: #335 CuriousLurker

I respect your opinion but differ with your analysis.

356 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:27:16pm

re: #348 Gus 802

This one explains most of it…

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I love the revisionism and the “victumtude.”

good grief…you take yourselves sooo serious….
love the rubber nose btw

357 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:27:33pm

hold on, I gotta check Mirsky’s Worst of the Web

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:27:34pm

re: #349 Alouette

I just made mushroom spinach lasagna for dinner!

I never doubted you!

359 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:28:02pm

re: #350 Sergey Romanov

Sometimes a voice of reason is like an anvil on the head out of the blue sky.
/

providing an acme of wisdom to the situation?

360 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:28:08pm

re: #352 thedopefishlives

Lycos, there’s a throwback. I remember back when Dogpile was still a thing.

For those who never used Dogpile, it searched multiple search engines at once.

remember when yahoo was just a bunch of nested links? :D

361 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:28:11pm

In the end we, the mushroom people, win. BWAHAAHAHAAH!

//

362 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:28:50pm

re: #361 Sergey Romanov

Quietly lurking in the dark….

363 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:29:14pm

re: #360 WindUpBird

remember when yahoo was just a bunch of nested links? :D

GEOCITIES!

364 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:29:16pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Like I said, I didn’t realize how far left LGF had gone. I seriously didn’t expect so much support for these protests. My mistake.

There’s a lot of that going around there are certain posters who obsessively characterize my views and spend a lot of time trying to twist my mundane statements into something sinister. So it goes.

You know, I’m curious why people claim OWS is a ‘lefty’ oriented activity? I think OWS would be happy to return to the tax code to the bastion of socialism in America that was the late 90’s and mid 80’s.

From what i can tell of OWS, the major issue is corporate capture and the evolution of the corporation-government merger. As I’ve said before, I’m pretty libertarian, and I recognize one of the biggest dangers to our country isn’t the over reach of government laws and regulation, nor the idea of a powerful corporations. Instead it’s when corporations can use government to create laws that benefit themselves to the detriment of the rest of the country.

I always remember hearing Neal Boortz on WSB claiming that once 51% of the population wasn’t taxed, then we’d have this horrible tyranny of the majority over the rich minority. Instead, what we got were corporations and the extremely rich, dictating loopholes and exceptions, without any accountability for their actions.

We desperately need to remove the concept of corporation as person. that or totally remove the concept of the LLC as a corporate entity.

365 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:29:23pm

ok, ok, i am bending to ideological conformity and getting out the can of campbell’s cream of chicken with mushroom soup out and heating it up

366 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:29:38pm

re: #360 WindUpBird

remember when yahoo was just a bunch of nested links? :D

If you haven’t played Black Dragon on Compuserve at 300 baud, trundle your young ass out to the fridge and get me a beer.

367 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:29:43pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

I respect your opinion but differ with your analysis.

Well, if we all agreed all the time this place would be boring as hell, right? ;)

368 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:29:45pm

re: #354 Rightwingconspirator

They need to take the next step. Offices. Become professional advocates. Offices, phones and a PR campaign. Step up or fade away. Occupy tent events should be targeted and temporary. Not that I’m their best adviser, just my opinion.

And some form of leadership would go a long way to uniting the entire movement beyond “in-name-only” status. Seriously, I understand that the whole general assembly, direct democracy method sounds nice, but it makes it extremely hard to organize anything larger than the small camps we’ve seen so far. And I hear the argument that it will mean some will not have their opinions heard, but that’s part of the necessity, else you run the risk of more radical elements turning opinion in their favor and dragging the movement into far darker waters.

369 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:30:10pm

re: #363 thedopefishlives

which leads to E/N pages.

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:30:28pm

re: #361 Sergey Romanov

In the end we, the mushroom people, win. BWAHAAHAHAAH!

//

THE KAMBUCHA MUSHROOM PEEEOPLE

Youtube Video
371 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:30:45pm

re: #362 jaunte

Quietly lurking in the dark…

ZOMG—I’m a mushroom person now because of all my lurking??

372 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:30:55pm

re: #360 WindUpBird

remember when yahoo was just a bunch of nested links? :D

I don’t know if I saw it, depends on the year. I remember tho how I got a tip to try out that new nifty experimental search engine named “Google”.

373 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:10pm

re: #332 Sergey Romanov

Wassup with all the mushroom-hate?

re: #361 Sergey Romanov

In the end we, the mushroom people, win. BWAHAAHAHAAH!

//

Pft. Of course the Russian is going to defend mushrooms….

Communist.

374 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:10pm

re: #332 Sergey Romanov

Wassup with all the mushroom-hate?

I love mushrooms.

375 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:16pm

re: #366 Decatur Deb

If you haven’t played Black Dragon on Compuserve at 300 baud, trundle your young ass out to the fridge and get me a beer.

I had 1200 baud, and I was on compuserve to download furry art, I’ll have you know

I had the Compuserve binder next to my Atari, yo

376 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:18pm

Police shoot gunman at California university

POLICE have shot a suspected gunman at the University of California, Berkeley, as hundreds of anti-Wall Street protesters marched on the elite college.

It was unclear if the shooting, which happened at the California institution’s Haas School of Business today, was related to the protest.

The suspect was taken to hospital, a Berkeley statement said, adding that the business school was evacuated and that no other shooters were thought to be involved.
…
The suspect, who has not yet been named, was followed by police into a computer room where they asked him to put up his hands, the university said.

The suspect then raised the gun, the school said, and was shot by police.

377 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:39pm

re: #366 Decatur Deb

you okay with cascadia dark ale? :D

378 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:45pm

so when is OWS gonna call out the thieves inside the Beltway?…WS is just the streetwalker

379 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:31:51pm

re: #371 CuriousLurker

I wouldn’t want to put you in a particular mould.

380 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:32:12pm

re: #371 CuriousLurker

ZOMG—I’m a mushroom person now becuase of all my lurking??

Well…they do grow well in the dark;)

381 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:32:34pm

re: #378 albusteve

so when is OWS gonna call out the thieves inside the Beltway?…WS is just the streetwalker

I thought it was the opposite


congress does the bidding of the real money

382 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:32:41pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

I had 1200 baud, and I was on compuserve to download furry art, I’ll thank you

I had the Compuserve binder next to my Atari, yo

Kid had the Black Dragon t-shirt, can’t even find the graphic in Google Images last I looked.

383 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:32:55pm

re: #380 Aceofwhat?

Well…they do grow well in the dark;)

Hey, Ace! Good to see you.

384 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:32:55pm

re: #378 albusteve

so when is OWS gonna call out the thieves inside the Beltway?…WS is just the streetwalker

that’s kind of backwards,

no wait, its exactly backwards.

385 jaunte  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:33:50pm

King Street Patriots Make it Clear: Poor People Shouldn’t Vote

386 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:33:53pm

re: #381 WindUpBird

I thought it was the opposite

congress does the bidding of the real money

congress legislates the law…nice set up eh?
Capone would be envious

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:34:44pm

Gifs= invented by compuserve


thank them for your grainy pixels

388 Jalal bin Smokin?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:35:06pm

re: #386 albusteve

congress legislates the law…nice set up eh?
Capone would be envious

But the corporate lobbyist write the laws.

389 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:35:15pm

re: #335 CuriousLurker

Frankly, I’m glad the police have run everyone off if for no other reason than that things can now calm down here and we can have rational discussions once again.

Dreamer.

390 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:35:22pm

re: #384 windsagio

that’s kind of backwards,

no wait, its exactly backwards.

there is no backward or forward…it’s a circle fuck….
DC writes the law, the kickbacks pour in….repeat

391 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:36:17pm

re: #388 mracb

But the corporate lobbyist write the laws.

everybody is fucking everybody

392 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:36:29pm

re: #381 WindUpBird

I thought it was the opposite

congress does the bidding of the real money

Didn’t wall street donate a staggering amount to Obama’s election campaign? It seemed less controversial then.

393 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:36:34pm

re: #390 albusteve

its backwards in that its not the hookers calling the shots.

394 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:37:06pm

re: #364 bloodstar

You know, I’m curious why people claim OWS is a ‘lefty’ oriented activity?

I’m pretty sure it’s solidly left. There’s some libertarian crossover (there always is with protest moments) but the involvement on various lefty groups (code pink, answer, World Workers Party, et al) makes it a pretty lefty event. I’d go as far to label it far left.

We desperately need to remove the concept of corporation as person. that or totally remove the concept of the LLC as a corporate entity.

Lawhawk may be able to speak with authority about this I think the corporate “personhood” thing is a legal distinction having to do with the ability to make contracts and legally binding agreements. It’s not really a personification other than in a strictly legal sense.

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:37:21pm

re: #389 wrenchwench

Dreamer.

Pfft. Indeed. I mean, when I argue with voices in my head it’s always a shouting match. I’m sure this is how it is for everyone. Right? Right?..

///

396 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:38:05pm

re: #389 wrenchwench

Dreamer.

LOL, okay we can get back to having smack-downs that only last a few hours.

397 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:38:12pm

BTW, it’s nearly time for OSU-Florida and Kentucky-Kansas. OWS can piss off…there’s good ball on the airwaves tonight.

398 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:38:17pm

re: #395 Sergey Romanov

Pfft. Indeed. I mean, when I argue with voices in my head it’s always a shouting match. I’m sure this is how it is for everyone. Right? Right?..

///

No, Left! Left!

399 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:39:10pm

re: #398 wrenchwench

No, Left! Left!

See? You were right. No consensus possible./

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:39:49pm

The people who write laws are given big money by the banks, etc. I’m sure they are all still in it “for the people” except when reelection comes around and they need a big donation. To KEEP THEIR JOBS!!!:)

401 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:39:51pm

re: #393 windsagio

its backwards in that its not the hookers calling the shots.

Goldman Sachs is not doing 40-life because DC has appetites…the law goes one way and the cash goes back the same road

402 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:40:09pm

re: #396 CuriousLurker

LOL, okay we can get back to having smack-downs that only last a few hours.

Yeah, right. Now that we’ve upgraded our trollhammers to radar-guided anti-troll missiles, everybody wants to play.

403 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:40:37pm

re: #396 CuriousLurker

LOL, okay we can get back to having smack-downs that only last a few hours.

You must not have been here for the Battle of Manhattan. Three days, no truces to bury the dead.

404 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:41:51pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

You must not have been here for the Battle of Manhattan. Three days, no truces to bury the dead.

No Quarter?

405 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:42:07pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

You must not have been here for the Battle of Manhattan. Three days, no truces to bury the dead.

the Battle of Portland was less than robust

406 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:42:13pm

I think this song is apropos to the topic at hand :) And this song came out well before OWS

Youtube Video

Two pigs wearing suits brought the news
That I’m wanted by the bank
They say the rent is due
Caesar’s onto you, so you better remember your place

Then they outsourced my job
And gave a raise to my boss
Bailed out the banks
but billed me for the loss

They say we must submit
And be one with the Machine
Because the Kingdom of Fear
Needs compliance to succeed

So waterboard the kids for fun
It’s all the rage
And play born-again American
Resistance is the game!

407 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:42:22pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

I had 1200 baud, and I was on compuserve to download furry art, I’ll have you know

I had the Compuserve binder next to my Atari, yo

The good old days sucked. I spent too much time playing Skyrim this weekend, and it was glorious.

408 windsagio  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:42:39pm

re: #401 albusteve

being hugely dense is a novel way for you to try to get a reaction I grant :p

Let me explain to you how prostitution works.

The john pays money for services, the prostitute provides said services.

Given that politicians are the ones getting paid, how is WS the hooker?

409 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:43:25pm

re: #408 windsagio

being hugely dense is a novel way for you to try to get a reaction I grant :p

Let me explain to you how prostitution works.

The john pays money for services, the prostitute provides said services.

Given that politicians are the ones getting paid, how is WS the hooker?

ask Obdicut you wannabe

410 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:43:46pm

Recently got into Dr Who. Just went through my first ‘doctor change’. I don’t… like it…

411 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:43:55pm

re: #402 thedopefishlives

Yeah, right. Now that we’ve upgraded our trollhammers to radar-guided anti-troll missiles, everybody wants to play.

Hey, that’s what we need, a nice juicy troll to beat up on!

412 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:44:02pm

From RememberTonyC’s page come this unsettling link:

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

413 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:44:21pm

re: #405 albusteve

the Battle of Portland was less than robust

Can’t place it. Pre-2010?

414 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:44:24pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

You must not have been here for the Battle of Manhattan. Three days, no truces to bury the dead.

Heh, yeah, I must’ve missed it. Sounds epic.

415 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:44:49pm

re: #354 Rightwingconspirator

They need to take the next step. Offices. Become professional advocates. Offices, phones and a PR campaign. Step up or fade away. Occupy tent events should be targeted and temporary. Not that I’m their best adviser, just my opinion.

Professional advocacy is a double-edged sword - truly effective strategy and action requires a lot of full-time effort (to counteract all the professionals one is up against), but it also inevitably leads to corruption when one becomes dependent on the “cause” for one’s salary.

416 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:45:21pm

re: #411 CuriousLurker

Hey, that’s what we need, a nice juicy troll to beat up on!

Nothing brings the Lizardim together like the prospect of gamey troll buttocks.

Not that there’s much of that left after the anti-troll missile batteries let loose, but I do my best with what I’ve got.

417 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:45:45pm

re: #410 McSpiff

Recently got into Dr Who. Just went through my first ‘doctor change’. I don’t… like it…

Heh. You’ll get used to it. I used to watch videos of the old series as a kid so I’m pretty used to it. Doctor changes are part of the fun.

418 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:45:57pm

re: #413 Decatur Deb

Can’t place it. Pre-2010?

just the other day…mostly harsh words at a soda fountain somewhere

419 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:46:31pm

re: #414 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, I must’ve missed it. Sounds epic.

There are few survivors. I was too young, so I just held the horses.

420 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:47:30pm

re: #410 McSpiff

Recently got into Dr Who. Just went through my first ‘doctor change’. I don’t… like it…

It’s a rite de passage for every Who fan.

421 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:47:49pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

Heh. You’ll get used to it. I used to watch videos of the old series as a kid so I’m pretty used to it. Doctor changes are part of the fun.

Seems like a great show

422 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:48:07pm

re: #420 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s a rite de passage for every Who fan.

well, we’re no gonna take it

423 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:48:27pm

Image: crowderthedouchenozzle.png

424 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:48:44pm

re: #418 albusteve

just the other day…mostly harsh words at a soda fountain somewhere

Must have let it go by—I’m sporadic, on a clumsy laptop since my flatscreen went TU.

425 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:48:54pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure it’s solidly left. There’s some libertarian crossover (there always is with protest moments) but the involvement on various lefty groups (code pink, answer, World Workers Party, et al) makes it a pretty lefty event. I’d go as far to label it far left.

If one applies the left right template (not the best metric by far) sure Occupy is left of center. I say that because of the solutions they ask for rather than the complaints they espouse.

But it is more of a consumer/citizen based movement than ideology, apart from the fringe. It’s more middle class citizen based than ideology based. That is it’s failing and it’s sincerity, right there. Because it does not fit into expectations, it is dismissed.

426 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:48:57pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure it’s solidly left. There’s some libertarian crossover (there always is with protest moments) but the involvement on various lefty groups (code pink, answer, World Workers Party, et al) makes it a pretty lefty event. I’d go as far to label it far left.

Lawhawk may be able to speak with authority about this I think the corporate “personhood” thing is a legal distinction having to do with the ability to make contracts and legally binding agreements. It’s not really a personification other than in a strictly legal sense.

You are correct, I misstated myself, I’m wondering why it’s a left oriented protest, when it seems the support is broader than that.

The problem is, once the concept that a corporation is a person was determined by the courts and that corporations would get the same constitutional protections as a person, then a ruling like Citizens United was just a matter of time.

At some point, I won’t be surprised to see corporations granted all the protections under the constitution, including the right to vote.

427 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:49:06pm

re: #415 Charleston Chew

Professional advocacy is a double-edged sword - truly effective strategy and action requires a lot of full-time effort (to counteract all the professionals one is up against), but it also inevitably leads to corruption when one becomes dependent on the “cause” for one’s salary.

I see the Occupy events as an extension of the anti-war marches. These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists. They don’t really want a legislative agenda. Their advocacy is to stage marches and protests. The goal is to get people to show up. Beyond that, there’s not much of an agenda. The cause isn’t really important. They’ll be back next year with something else.

428 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:49:37pm

re: #392 Aceofwhat?

Didn’t wall street donate a staggering amount to Obama’s election campaign? It seemed less controversial then.

Don’t know about Obama specifically, but they did give a lot to Democrats. Of course, 2008 looked like a Dem year, so they probably wanted to be on the winning team.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org…]

429 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:49:50pm

re: #420 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s a rite de passage for every Who fan.

I’ll give this new guy a shot, but I was just starting to like the Rose- Dr chemistry…

430 Gus  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:50:24pm

Anti-war protests! OMG! Run for the hills!

431 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:50:37pm

re: #420 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s a rite de passage for every Who fan.

It’s a rite I’d rather not have taken part of. The Ninth didn’t stick around long enough.

432 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:50:52pm

re: #425 Rightwingconspirator

If one applies the left right template (not the best metric by far) sure Occupy is left of center. I say that because of the solutions they ask for rather than the complaints they espouse.

But it is more of a consumer/citizen based movement than ideology, apart from the fringe. It’s more middle class citizen based than ideology based. That is it’s failing and it’s sincerity, right there. Because it does not fit into expectations, it is dismissed.

It’s also a lot of anthropology and caribbean literature majors pissed off that their degrees don’t seem to be as relevant outside of the campus limits. Shocka.

433 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:51:06pm

re: #407 Aceofwhat?

The good old days sucked. I spent too much time playing Skyrim this weekend, and it was glorious.

I disagree

I met my partner on a BBS ;-)

I don’t really play many games anymore, except Deus Ex and (eventually) Skyrim (I been an Elder Scrolls geek since Arena and Daggerfall, which was dos days) I sorta prefer the feeling I got from playing games in the old Atari ST/Amiga days, when they were these weird secret things, full of mystery, done by one or three devs in a basement

Now, it’s like CALL OF DUTY NINE: ADVANCED WARHELMET and LETS SHOOT EVEN MORE ZOMBIES BECAUSE YOU GUYS ALL AGREE ON ZOMBIES, RIGHT?!?!?! I’ve discovered I get the feelings of mystery I want, from other things besides games (like music, like art) Games are like hollywood films, made by committee. Indie games are fun, but also sorta their own thing

The more advanced games get, the less interested in them I am :D And the more interested I am in playing guitar and ignoring my Xbox in favor of looking for the feelings of those old games. Because new games are mostly not getting anywhere close to that

Also, Planescape Torment :D 12 years old and counting, still better than anything I have played since, for what I want out of a game. i play it every year or three, still holds up

434 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:51:51pm

re: #431 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s a rite I’d rather not have taken part of. The Ninth didn’t stick around long enough.

That’s what I’m saying…

435 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:52:11pm

re: #430 Gus 802

Anti-war protests! OMG! Run for the hills!

I was watching Portland coverage of the Iraq War II protests all on my teevee at work!

436 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:52:24pm

re: #425 Rightwingconspirator

It’s more middle class citizen based than ideology based. That is it’s failing and it’s sincerity, right there. Because it does not fit into expectations, it is dismissed.

I think that was part of the original design. It was meant to be open ended and anyone could show up and bring their own expectations. I agree it’s a flawed model because everyone is going to come away disappointed.

437 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:52:35pm

re: #434 McSpiff

That’s what I’m saying…

Fantastic!

438 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:52:46pm

Do we have to have another OWS *discussion*?

I thought we all agreed —they are good, they are bad, they’ve served a purpose, crazies, indigent and criminals have infiltrated some of the camps. It’s getting cold in NYC… .

Some serious shit could be going down in Syria; China’s building a possible Internet Hoax in the dessert; and Newt is a corrupt and boring person.

There are so many other wonderful things to *discuss*.

439 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:52:56pm

re: #432 Aceofwhat?

My degree is Anthropology. A few engineers and mathematicians have worked for me.

440 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:52:57pm

re: #433 WindUpBird

seen this bad boy yet?…
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

441 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:53:05pm

re: #415 Charleston Chew

The dilemmas of peaceful change are immense and numerous. The alternatives are worse.

442 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:54:15pm

re: #426 bloodstar

The problem is, once the concept that a corporation is a person was determined by the courts and that corporations would get the same constitutional protections as a person, then a ruling like Citizens United was just a matter of time.

At some point, I won’t be surprised to see corporations granted all the protections under the constitution, including the right to vote.

Nah. In a recent AT&T case, the SCOTUS smacked down an attempt to expand the scope of corporate ‘personhood’. Unanimous, if I recall. The Chief Justice wrote the opinion, and at the conclusion, wrote “We trust that AT&T will not take it personally.” Best line i’ve ever read in a SCOTUS opinion.

443 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:54:50pm

re: #440 albusteve

seen this bad boy yet?…
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Speed kills.

:0

444 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:55:00pm

My education has been spotty. I discovered a big lacuna last week.

This song is awesome.

Youtube Video
445 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:55:24pm

re: #433 WindUpBird

How’s the guitar coming along? I’m working through Black Mountain Side at the moment. And by ‘working through’, i mean ‘butchering’.

446 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:55:28pm

re: #427 Killgore Trout

These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists.

name them, then

447 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:55:37pm

Well, the UPS guy delivered the new amplifying antenna for my 2nd TV, so I’m going to try to get it hooked up and see how many free digital channels I can pick up over the air. Later, Lizards.

//P.S. If any trolls wander in, someone email me!

448 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:55:50pm

re: #440 albusteve

seen this bad boy yet?…
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

ahahahaha jesus


I had not!

449 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:55:50pm

re: #443 ggt

Speed kills.

:0

so does complacency…I’ll take blurred fence posts any day

450 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:56:01pm

re: #429 McSpiff

I’ll give this new guy a shot, but I was just starting to like the Rose- Dr chemistry…

Give it time, ‘School Reunion’ and ‘Girl in the Fireplace’ should win you over to Tennant. :) At least that’s when I felt like he was ‘The Doctor.’

*really mild spoilers below*

Of course, I think Matt Smith has absolutely knocked it out of the park, starting with ‘Eleventh Hour’. That I think Karen Gillian is stunning and has grown into her role certainly helps.

451 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:56:47pm

re: #443 ggt

Speed kills.

:0

“said my passenger as I hit [redacted] in the GTI on my way to Seaside, oregon…”

452 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:57:13pm

re: #439 Decatur Deb

My degree is Anthropology. A few engineers and mathematicians have worked for me.

Not saying it can’t be done. Just saying you probably aren’t going to find a lot of engineers and mathematicians in the OWS crowd, pissed off at their inability to find gainful employment. I’m guessing here but…pretty confident.

and i knew i should have gone with ‘sociology’

453 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:57:23pm

re: #436 Killgore Trout

I think that was part of the original design. It was meant to be open ended and anyone could show up and bring their own expectations. I agree it’s a flawed model because everyone is going to come away disappointed.

Any effort against the Wall street influence (as shown by 60 min) has to be open ended. It’s just that big a job. No particular law or candidate can fix it. Disagree so far? So, yeah the only design IMO with any shot at all is open ended. As the established parties fail, and fail again to fix the problem, this is what you get. A whole ‘nother approach, for better or wore.

454 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:58:07pm

re: #427 Killgore Trout

I see the Occupy events as an extension of the anti-war marches. These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists. They don’t really want a legislative agenda. Their advocacy is to stage marches and protests. The goal is to get people to show up. Beyond that, there’s not much of an agenda. The cause isn’t really important. They’ll be back next year with something else.

Occupy (Wall Street, at least) seems to me better organized and a bit smarter than the anti-war people of a few years ago. But they share the same lack of focus and allow their message and demands to devolve into a sprawling list of grievances. And they naturally become a magnet for attention whores as these things always do.

455 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:58:57pm

re: #448 WindUpBird

ahahahaha jesus

I had not!

640 fucking HP…good LORD!
I want one

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:59:09pm

re: #445 Aceofwhat?

How’s the guitar coming along? I’m working through Black Mountain Side at the moment. And by ‘working through’, i mean ‘butchering’.

I have EXQUISITE tone now through my Line 6. Very fuzz-box-through-Vox-amp-sim-with-sine-chorus-and-digital-delay :D

It’s coming along well. *_* the stuff I record and listen back to is starting to actually sound like the shit I hear in my head. I’m not in any way a good guitarist, but I can sorta fuck around my way to getting something that sounds like evil outer space rock music

457 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:59:18pm

re: #444 wrenchwench

My education has been spotty. I discovered a big lacuna last week.

This song is awesome.

[Video]

that’s very cool. the basic genre he’s working off of is Old Timey, that is, american country/mountain music of the 20s and early 30s

458 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:59:23pm

re: #452 Aceofwhat?

Not saying it can’t be done. Just saying you probably aren’t going to find a lot of engineers and mathematicians in the OWS crowd, pissed off at their inability to find gainful employment. I’m guessing here but…pretty confident.

and i knew i should have gone with ‘sociology’

I’m the sociology major. Much less intimidating than Decatur Deb.

picks up large wrench

459 zora  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 4:59:36pm

re: #410 McSpiff

i started watching dr who with my teenage sons this past summer. every summer i have them do things (read books, write papers, etc.) because there are certain things you should just know, even if it’s not introduced in school. well dr. who was one of the things they thought i should know about. i really liked the first doctor and was disappointed with the change. my kids said i was the only one because no one’s favorite dr is christopher eccleston. i also listened to an entire album with dr who inspired songs. it sucked, btw.

460 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:00:46pm

re: #429 McSpiff

I’ll give this new guy a shot, but I was just starting to like the Rose- Dr chemistry…

re: #431 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s a rite I’d rather not have taken part of. The Ninth didn’t stick around long enough.

Eccleston got me hooked on Dr Who as an adult (somehow I failed to develop the taste while a kid in Oxford, though I certain remember Daleks), so I can totally sympathize…I was really put of when I got “hooked” on Nine just in time for him to transition to Ten.

McSpiff—give Tennant (and eventually Smith) a chance, though. Admittedly not every episode is a gem but he’s a good actor and when given good material really sells the part.

Addendum: if it turns out you hate Tennant’s run (or Davies’s show-running) I still recommend Matt Smith as #11.

461 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:00:55pm

re: #455 albusteve

640 fucking HP…good LORD!
I want one

I’d be terrified to drive it anywhere except a salt flat XD I think maybe in 20 years if I’ve lived with a “normal” RWD giant V8 muscle car and i haven’t ended up in jail or dead :D

462 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:01:14pm

re: #458 wrenchwench

I’m the sociology major. Much less intimidating than Decatur Deb.

picks up large wrench

Did I mention there’s a great bball game on now…and…my soup needs to be stirred…and…oh, look, hrmmblmble there needs to be picked up…i’ll just step away for a minute

463 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:01:31pm

re: #453 Rightwingconspirator

Any effort against the Wall street influence (as shown by 60 min) has to be open ended. It’ just that big a job. No particular law or candidate can fix it. Disagree so far?

Yes. I think a leader would be very helpful. A clear message, code of conduct for the protesters, somebody who could be negotiated with. If this movement had a leader (anyone) they would have had a meeting in the oval office by now. Well, maybe not now since the movement is already imploding. But something could have been accomplished with some decent leadership.

464 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:02:09pm

re: #462 Aceofwhat?

Wise choice.

465 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:02:52pm

re: #463 Killgore Trout

Yes. I think a leader would be very helpful. A clear message, code of conduct for the protesters, somebody who could be negotiated with. If this movement had a leader (anyone) they would have had a meeting in the oval office by now. Well, maybe not now since the movement is already imploding. But something could have been accomplished with some decent leadership.

It will be interesting to see how Dodd-Frank shakes out over the Winter. There *may* be less reason to protest in the Spring.

A little, maybe.

466 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:05:25pm

Alrighty, good night all.

467 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:05:39pm

re: #454 Charleston Chew

Occupy (Wall Street, at least) seems to me better organized and a bit smarter than the anti-war people of a few years ago. But they share the same lack of focus and allow their message and demands to devolve into a sprawling list of grievances. And they naturally become a magnet for attention whores as these things always do.

I think the antiwar protests were more successful in terms of a protest movement. They didn’t appeal to me but they were huge. They didn’t discredit themselves by fighting with police, raping fellow protesters, shitting in the street, etc. The antiwar protests went on for years. As did the Tea Party. OWS made such a mess it had to be shut down by force in two months.

468 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:05:53pm

re: #463 Killgore Trout

Agreed on needing a front man or woman. At least a singular articulate personality. A person responsible and accountable to the GA. But if Occupy fails, we still need something to push the message we do know well from Occupy. And about that code of conduct? They have it. It’s in their page.

469 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:06:10pm

re: #458 wrenchwench

I’m the sociology major. Much less intimidating than Decatur Deb.

picks up large wrench

WRENCH ONLY


Youtube Video

LOOKIN GOOD ON NANITES


THE MANY ARE STRONG

470 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:06:18pm

re: #452 Aceofwhat?

Not saying it can’t be done. Just saying you probably aren’t going to find a lot of engineers and mathematicians in the OWS crowd, pissed off at their inability to find gainful employment. I’m guessing here but…pretty confident.

and i knew i should have gone with ‘sociology’

Dunno—some industry sectors have been hit very hard. Construction has hurt a lot of architect/engineering firms. My DILs boss in Florida sometimes asks her to delay cashing her paycheck.

471 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:06:30pm

re: #465 ggt

It will be interesting to see how Dodd-Frank shakes out over the Winter. There *may* be less reason to protest in the Spring.

A little, maybe.

I’m not very optimistic but let’s hope.

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:06:31pm

re: #469 WindUpBird

my god this game is like 12 years old

473 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:12:35pm

re: #439 Decatur Deb

My degree is Anthropology. A few engineers and mathematicians have worked for me.

My wife really likes your store. ;)

474 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:12:47pm

re: #467 Killgore Trout

I think the antiwar protests were more successful in terms of a protest movement. They didn’t appeal to me but they were huge. They didn’t discredit themselves by fighting with police, raping fellow protesters, shitting in the street, etc. The antiwar protests went on for years. As did the Tea Party. OWS made such a mess it had to be shut down by force in two months.

Maybe apples to oranges about the shutting down part - most of the anti-war stuff I saw was marches and rallies, most of which lasted only hours and probably had permits. OWS is a 2 month sit-in of private property. I’m surprised they got away with it as long as it did.

475 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:13:28pm

re: #473 Amory Blaine

My wife really likes your store. ;)

Went to one once. Needs moar atl-atl.

476 McSpiff  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:13:58pm

re: #460 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #431 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Eccleston got me hooked on Dr Who as an adult (somehow I failed to develop the taste while a kid in Oxford, though I certain remember Daleks), so I can totally sympathize…I was really put of when I got “hooked” on Nine just in time for him to transition to Ten.

McSpiff—give Tennant (and eventually Smith) a chance, though. Admittedly not every episode is a gem but he’s a good actor and when given good material really sells the part.

Addendum: if it turns out you hate Tennant’s run (or Davies’s show-running) I still recommend Matt Smith as #11.

I’m too hooked to stop now anyways. Sigh, they knew what they were doing.

477 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:18:12pm

re: #463 Killgore Trout

Yes. I think a leader would be very helpful. A clear message, code of conduct for the protesters, somebody who could be negotiated with. If this movement had a leader (anyone) they would have had a meeting in the oval office by now. Well, maybe not now since the movement is already imploding. But something could have been accomplished with some decent leadership.

Youtube Video

Even if a movement, (any movement) could credibly offer me more of everything I like and less of everything I don’t like, my enthusiasm for that movement is inversely proportional to the frequency, duration, and accentuation of bongos and chants. It mostly makes me feel embarrassed for them, and vaguely ashamed even to be sympathetic. And that’s from someone who generally sympathizes with OWS.

478 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:18:20pm

re: #460 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #431 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Eccleston got me hooked on Dr Who as an adult (somehow I failed to develop the taste while a kid in Oxford, though I certain remember Daleks), so I can totally sympathize…I was really put of when I got “hooked” on Nine just in time for him to transition to Ten.

McSpiff—give Tennant (and eventually Smith) a chance, though. Admittedly not every episode is a gem but he’s a good actor and when given good material really sells the part.

Addendum: if it turns out you hate Tennant’s run (or Davies’s show-running) I still recommend Matt Smith as #11.

I have to admit, I’ve some catching up to do. I sort of tuned out after Last of the Time Lords and Time Crash. Tennant is very good, a very interesting Doctor. But I’ve heard that he gets a bit whiny towards the end of his run and I’m not sure I want to remember him as such.

479 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:18:39pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

I’m not very optimistic but let’s hope.

I wish I could come to a good place in my research to rest and reflect and write a Pages about what I’ve learned so far.

It’s far more interesting a topic that I’d have originally thought. Very little is so complex it gives me a headache. The Derivatives market is only the central aspect, but there are a myriad of factors danced around it to make this crisis. They are what we can change —IF we take the time to learn and pressure our elected *employees*.

480 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:20:28pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

I’m not very optimistic but let’s hope.

re: #427 Killgore Trout

These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists.

i said, “Name Them, Then”

481 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:28:53pm

Image: clutch-the-pearls.jpg

482 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:30:53pm

re: #480 engineer dog

re: #427 Killgore Trout

i said, “Name Them, Then”

my, so demanding

483 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:32:29pm

re: #482 albusteve

my, so demanding

It would help to have an idea of any hierarchy of involvement. One would almost need a flow-chart.

484 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:32:46pm

re: #482 albusteve

my, so demanding

apparently i have shocked the thread into silence with my Initial Capital Letters Tone Of Voice

huh

485 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:34:32pm

re: #484 engineer dog

apparently i have shocked the thread into silence with my Initial Capital Letters Tone Of Voice

huh

children are delicate creatures

486 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:34:40pm

re: #477 negativ

[Video]Even if a movement, (any movement) could credibly offer me more of everything I like and less of everything I don’t like, my enthusiasm for that movement is inversely proportional to the frequency, duration, and accentuation of bongos and chants. It mostly makes me feel embarrassed for them, and vaguely ashamed even to be sympathetic. And that’s from someone who generally sympathizes with OWS.

Epic. Thanks for posting that.

487 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:36:12pm

re: #482 albusteve

my, so demanding

And stupid. That’s obviously not an honest question. Just another idiot who wants to start and endless circular debate. I scroll over more and more stuff like that these days.

488 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:36:56pm

re: #486 Killgore Trout

Epic. Thanks for posting that.

I’ll pile on that as well….these protesters are obviously not watching AmIdol

489 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:38:27pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

And stupid. That’s obviously not an honest question. Just another idiot who wants to start and endless circular debate. I scroll over more and more stuff like that these days.

well, that’s an utterly unconvincing way of trying to hide that fact that you can’t back up an assertion you made:

These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists

now, tell us all about who they are, or stand exposed for what you are

490 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:40:33pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

And stupid. That’s obviously not an honest question. Just another idiot who wants to start and endless circular debate. I scroll over more and more stuff like that these days.

I think you’ve handled the sniping very well…but you are full of holes…
the one line snipe is instant gratification some people seem to need

491 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:41:55pm

re: #489 engineer dog

The organizers and supporting groups have been discussed ad nauseum. The information is easily verifiable, I’m not going to dig up all the links. I assume you already know who they are too, if you don’t you can google it for yourself. I’m off to the next thread.

492 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:42:47pm

re: #491 Killgore Trout

The organizers and supporting groups have been discussed ad nauseum. The information is easily verifiable, I’m not going to dig up all the links. I assume you already know who they are too, if you don’t you can google it for yourself. I’m off to the next thread.

you are full of evasions, yet empty of answers

493 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:44:28pm

re: #492 engineer dog

you are full of evasions, yet empty of answers

supporters/ organizers were discussed weeks ago…floor it dude, you are way behind and sound petty

494 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:46:15pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Sorry to disappoint you, but like I said the other night, LGF isn’t a radical lefty site. Despite your hate of hippies & marxists, LGF hasn’t magically become super lefty all of a sudden.

Look in a mirror for the problem. Even DF has been trying to tell you that, RWC as well, and you aren’t going to call them lefties are you? Or has your hate of OWS really made you that blind?

495 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:46:55pm

re: #480 engineer dog

re: #427 Killgore Trout

i said, “Name Them, Then”

you know! those guys!

i think it has something to do with code pink and answer and probably american pro-palestinian activist royalty because that’s what I hear from the LGF ghosts of yesteryear, swooping around with their banshee wails like the ghost librarian in Ghostbusters

symmetrical bookstacking

496 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:48:19pm

re: #493 albusteve

supporters/ organizers were discussed weeks ago…floor it dude, you are way behind and sound petty

These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists

this is a straightforward assertion

who are they, then

this is a straightforward, informational type of question

if KT knows that “These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists”, he should be able to tell us very quickly, without rhetorical evasions and gratuitous insults. btw, i think the OWS sit ins are not organized at all, much less organized by the same group of people who would have to be acting all over the country

as things stand, i feel that my suspicion that he merely pulled this assertion out of his ass is proven, qed

497 albusteve  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:51:34pm

re: #496 engineer dog

These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists

this is a straightforward assertion

who are they, then

this is a straightforward, informational type of question

if KT knows that “These events are all put together, more or less, by the same professional activists”, he should be able to tell us without very quickly, without rhetorical evasions and gratuitous insults. btw, i think the OWS sit ins are not organized at all, much less organized by the same group of people who would have to be acting all over the country

as things stand, i feel that my suspicion that he merely pulled this assertion out of his ass is proven, qed

he can tell you, but doesn’t seem to like your attitude

498 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 5:54:15pm

re: #497 albusteve

he can tell you, but doesn’t seem to like your attitude

i don’t give two tin cans whether he likes my attitude. i don’t like his attitude one bit, but i answer direct questions and back up my assertions or admit i’m wrong

he made an assertion that he can’t back up and stands exposed, that’s all

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:04:53pm

re: #7 neilk

And it also means they were ousted by Bloomberg — the best avatar of Wall Street you could hope for — rather than withering away from wintertime attrition.

Is a good point.

Bloomberg seems to have stepped up to play Snidely Whiplash in this one. A visible enemy is a useful thing.

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:05:43pm

re: #9 jaunte

I was just wondering where to draw the line between a tent and a really fat coat.

“It’s just a Gore-Tex poncho, officer, I swear! It belongs to my aunt! She’s big-boned.”

501 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:12:46pm

ok, i’m off to see what’s up with this occupy cal thing in berkeley tonight

it seems that it will be possible to find things out by observing actual people without the benefit of the internet

who knew?

502 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:22:05pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Wait, you were here for the Battle of Five Points (which actually was fought on what is now Foley Square)? /

503 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:23:38pm

re: #501 engineer dog

ok, i’m off to see what’s up with this occupy cal thing in berkeley tonight

it seems that it will be possible to find things out by observing actual people without the benefit of the internet

who knew?

Good Luck! we’re All Counting On You! /leslienielsen

504 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:29:18pm
Youtube Video

it calls for the maggots

505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:53:56pm

re: #446 engineer dog

name them, then

rotfl

506 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 6:57:19pm

re: #470 Decatur Deb

Dunno—some industry sectors have been hit very hard. Construction has hurt a lot of architect/engineering firms. My DILs boss in Florida sometimes asks her to delay cashing her paycheck.

Ugh, sounds like the tech boom years.

507 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:03:40pm

ok, here i am at occupy cal on sproul plaza

i would send pictures except i am being stabby stab stabbed by anarchist rapists organized by well known organizers too painful to name unless you ask me nicely

508 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 7:11:23pm

radical signs from the union of highly oorganized anarchists:

no clubs on cal (picture of police billy club)

defend public education

end galactic corporate greed

foreclose wall st, not homes

all your politicians are belong to corporations

509 sagehen  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 8:02:43pm

re: #410 McSpiff

Recently got into Dr Who. Just went through my first ‘doctor change’. I don’t… like it…

It’s not nearly as painful as companion changes — it always takes me halfway through the new one’s tenure before I get over missing the previous one.

(or maybe that’s just me, I also have trouble dealing with actors in new roles — it took an entire season of H50 before I could look at Chin Ho and Kono and not see Jin and Boomer).

510 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:32:27pm

re: #250 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, property rights are now out the window when protests are involved?

Apparently so.

511 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 15, 2011 10:36:31pm

re: #255 jaunte

Hurricane Ike Destroys Home, Owner Faces Foreclosure on Nonexistent House
BoA incompetence.

More like willful neglect and recklessness than incompetence.

512 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:22:39am

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That asshole who said all Muslims need to be purged from the military has decided to double down on the bigotry.

Tennessee State Rep. Rick Womick Calls Allah A ‘False God,’ Warns Of A Muslim Immigrant ‘Population Jihad’

Ahhh, something I can agree with. Wonder if he know that it is the same false god that the christians and jews worship.

513 neilk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 7:59:58am

When I said earlier that the park remained open 24 hours, I was wrong. The park owners have changed the rules and the park is now only open 6am-10pm.


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