Man Sought for Shooting at White House, Right Wing Goes into Frenzied Denial

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Police in Washington DC are searching for a man they suspect of shooting at the White House, after the discovery of a bullet that hit a window: DC Shooting Suspect Could Be Threat to Obama, Police Say.

ABC News has learned authorities are increasingly concerned that a man sought in connection with a bizarre shooting incident on the Washington Mall last week may pose a threat to President Obama.

The Secret Service now suspects that a bullet fired in this incident may have hit the White House after a bullet round was found in a White House window, though the round had not yet been conclusively linked to the incident.  The round was stopped by ballistic glass behind the historic exterior glass, while an additional round has been found on the exterior of the White House.

Police believe the suspect, 21-year-old Oscar Ramiro Ortega of Idaho, is mentally ill. Ortega has an extensive record, ranging from domestic violence to drug charges. Sources say a police investigation has uncovered evidence suggesting Ortega has a fixation on the White House.

I just took a quick run around the right wing blogs, and their main concern right now is laying blame for this shooting on “the left,” and denying any connection to the Tea Party or the right wing.

Even though nobody has suggested such a connection yet.

UPDATE at 11/16/11 10:28:36 am

Andrew Breitbart camp follower John Nolte claims the AP is covering up the OWS “connection” … then links to a story that explicitly says the police searched the OWS camp and found nothing: Could a Possible #OccupyWallStreet Connection Explain Lack of MSM’s White House Shooting Coverage? - Big Journalism

But check out the headline of that article as well as this AP headline. The disconnect is obvious. The AP headline doesn’t connect the shooter to the Occupy movement, and the Huffington Post headline doesn’t connect the Occupy camp search to the White House shooting.

The AP story: Man who fired shots near White House at large - WTOP.com

Schlosser says police searched the Occupy D.C. encampment in McPherson Square after callers said they had seen a man matching Ortega’s description, but the search turned up empty.

Breitbart’s clownish bloggers are completely beyond parody. They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re making up nonsense out of thin air.

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189 comments
1 erik_t  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:45:40am

You pretty much have to be mentally ill to shoot at the White House.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:46:30am

You pretty much have to be mentally ill to shoot at any house. What did the house do?

3 recusancy  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:47:04am

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4 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:48:44am
I just took a quick run around the right wing blogs, and their main concern right now is laying blame for this shooting on “the left,” and denying any connection to the Tea Party or the right wing.

There is a “connection” with OWS because he is suspected to have been hanging around the camp.

Authorities suspect Ortega has been in the area for weeks, coming back and forth to the Washington Mall. Before the shooting, he was detained by local police at an abandoned house. U.S. Park police say Ortega may have spent time blending in with Occupy D.C. protesters.

Is there any evidence of a right wing connection? Am I missing something?

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:48:46am

re: #1 erik_t

You pretty much have to be mentally ill to shoot at the White House.

And you have to be pretty stupid to think that it would do any harm.

6 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:49:04am

More details on Ortega:

U.S. Park Police have an arrest warrant for Oscar Ramiro Ortega, who is believed to be connected to the earlier incident. He is described as a 21-year-old Hispanic man, 5 feet 11 inches tall, 160 pounds, with a medium build, brown eyes and black hair.

Donovan, the Secret Service spokesman, identified the suspect as Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez, saying that is the name on his driver’s license.
Ortega is believed to be living in the Washington area with ties to Idaho.
After the gunfire was reported, police said they found an abandoned car Friday night near the Theodore Roosevelt Bridge that crosses the Potomac River to Virginia.

U.S. Park Police spokesman Sgt. David Schlosser has said items found in the vehicle led investigators to Ortega. The suspect hasn’t been linked to any radical organizations but does have an arrest record in three states, Schlosser said Monday.

Arlington Police Lt. Joe Kantor said Ortega was stopped Friday morning in north Arlington after a citizen called in a report of somebody “circling the area.”

When police stopped Ortega, he was on foot and had an out of state address, Kantor said. Police took photos of him but had no cause to detain him, Kantor said.

The photos show Ortega has some distinctive tattoos that could help in the search. Most prominently, the word “Israel” is tattooed on the left side of his neck. He also has the word “Ortega” tattooed on his back, according to Park Police. Police say he has a tattoo of three dots on his right hand and tattoos of rosary beads, hands clasped in prayer and folded hands on his chest.

7 blueraven  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:51:14am

They are freaking out probably because the suspect supposedly has “Israel” tattooed on his neck.

Which proves nothing, but will raise hackles. He sounds mental, period.

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:51:17am

Mentally ill. Means that any groups or causes he might have associated with are pretty much irrelevant.

Unless, of course, you are looking for ammunition to disparage a particular movement or ideology….

9 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:51:37am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Is there any evidence of a right wing connection? Am I missing something?

Yep.

their main concern right now is laying blame for this shooting on “the left,” and denying any connection to the Tea Party or the right wing.

Even though nobody has suggested such a connection yet.

I figure the dude is a lone whackjob. The tattoos may mean he’s crazy religious-style.

But time will tell.

10 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:51:40am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Is there any evidence of a right wing connection? Am I missing something?

Even though nobody has suggested such a connection yet.

…

11 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:52:11am

re: #10 000G

I am 3 seconds ahead of you in life.

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:53:00am

re: #6 lawhawk

More details on Ortega:

Most prominently, the word “Israel” is tattooed on the left side of his neck.

Might not have anything to do with Jews or the Middle East, it just might be the name of his favorite soccer player.

13 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:53:29am

re: #11 Obdicut

I am 3 seconds ahead of you in life.

Damn you, Esau!

14 iossarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:53:36am

re: #11 Obdicut

I am 3 seconds ahead of you in life.

(Adopts portentous movie-trailer voice)

Internet twins… separated at birth.

Fated to post similar witty remarks on “weblogs”, a few seconds apart…

An uncanny existence… until one day…

15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:53:39am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

There is a “connection” with OWS because …

what *isn’t* connected to OWS, in your mind?

Anything?

16 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:53:47am

re: #6 lawhawk

Police say he has a tattoo of three dots on his right hand and tattoos of rosary beads, hands clasped in prayer and folded hands on his chest.

Interesting….

Another common tattoo in American prisons and jails, especially for Hispanic inmates, is three dots on the top of the hand between the index finger and thumb, similar to what is described for French criminal tattoos below. The trio is meant to symbolize alternately the Trinity (Catholic & Christian imagery is common in the US penal system) or ‘Mi Vida Loca.’ (My Crazy Life in Spanish)

17 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:53:57am

re: #12 Alouette

Yeah, Israel is a not-uncommon Hispanic name.

18 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:54:33am

Photo of Ortega.

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:54:57am

re: #9 Obdicut

I figure the dude is a lone whackjob. The tattoos may mean he’s crazy religious-style.

But time will tell.

That’s pretty much my guess too.

20 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:55:11am

re: #17 Obdicut

Yeah, Israel is a not-uncommon Hispanic name.

Two of my grandsons are named “Israel” and one is Israeli and the other one is Canadian.

21 erik_t  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:55:22am
Police say he has a tattoo of three dots on his right hand

No need for the Secret Service to get involved; sounds like the Predator has the problem well under control.

22 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:56:01am

re: #15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

what *isn’t* connected to OWS, in your mind?

Anything?

So what is your Erdős–Bacon–OWS number?

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:56:35am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

The three dots might must mean “S”.

24 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:56:39am

re: #18 lawhawk

I know I’m probably just reading into it with my prior knowledge, but he’s got a creepy smile.

25 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:57:29am

It’s OCCUPY ACORN PERSONHOOD!11ty!!

26 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:57:35am

I am supposed to start on my paper on ‘creationism in public schools’, but I have a huge lack of motivation at the moment.

Meh.

27 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:57:36am

re: #24 Obdicut

I know I’m probably just reading into it with my prior knowledge, but he’s got a creepy smile.

More like contentedly high, imho

28 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:58:13am

erik_t and EmmmieG, the twins that went unnoticed.

29 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:58:24am

re: #15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

what *isn’t* connected to OWS, in your mind?

Anything?

Basement cat OWS is watching you!

30 rwdflynavy  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:58:42am

re: #26 celticdragon

I am supposed to start on my paper on ‘creationism in public schools’, but I have a huge lack of motivation at the moment.

Meh.

Start by reviewing LGF threads/pages on the topic for sources and inspiration.

31 iossarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:58:51am

re: #24 Obdicut

I know I’m probably just reading into it with my prior knowledge, but he’s got a creepy smile.

I just googled images for “face” and came to the conclusion that about 40% of the world’s population is batshit insane.

32 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 9:59:07am

re: #24 Obdicut

re: #27 sattv4u2

More like contentedly high, imho

Now THIS guy,,,THIS is creepy!!

(from the same link)

[Link: www.wjla.com…]

33 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:00:01am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Interesting…

Pretty soon we’ll have to worry about OWS-babies coming over from Mexico!

34 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:00:41am

re: #33 Gus 802

Pretty soon we’ll have to worry about OWS-babies coming over from Mexico!

Your concern for Kilgores concern is starting to concern me!

35 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:01:05am

re: #34 sattv4u2

Your concern for Kilgores concern is starting to concern me!

Yeah. It’s just me.

//

36 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:01:14am

Now, there really are violent anarchists who really do want to bring down the state, and it is really possible this dude is one of them. And anarchist really have been hanging out at OWS. They are not, at all, in any way, representative of Occupy people as a whole, but if this dude turns out to be a black-bloc anarchist (which is total goddamn speculation, let me be clear) I hope that it provides the rest of Occupy with impetus to do anything they can to freeze out and make unwelcome the black-bloc anarchists and anyone whose at all in favor of violent revolution.

37 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:01:21am

re: #10 000G

Even though nobody has suggested such a connection yet.

Why would wingnuts deny something that nobody has suggested?

38 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:02:16am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Why would wingnuts deny something that nobody has suggested?

It was just a suggestion to not suggest the suggestion!

39 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:02:35am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Why would wingnuts deny something that nobody has suggested?

Guilty consciences…my guess is they still feel bad from reading the masturbation thread from this morning.

40 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:02:58am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Why would wingnuts deny something that nobody has suggested?

I dunno. Guilty conscious, maybe?

41 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:03:06am

re: #34 sattv4u2

Your concern for Kilgores concern is starting to concern me!

Your redundancy is getting repetitive.
/

42 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:03:19am

re: #39 darthstar

Guilty consciences…my guess is they still feel bad from reading the masturbation thread from this morning.

That was something we just tossed off. It’s no use crying after spilled milk.

43 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:03:42am

re: #39 darthstar

Guilty consciences…

…

I fail again.

44 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:03:57am

re: #39 darthstar

re: #40 000G

At least that was 23 seconds apart!!
/

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:04:11am

re: #42 Obdicut

That was something we just tossed off. It’s no use crying after spilled milk.

A turgid defense.

46 rwdflynavy  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:04:12am

re: #39 darthstar

Guilty consciences…my guess is they still feel bad from reading the masturbation thread from this morning.

Dude, Don’t be a dick!
//

47 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:04:35am

re: #42 Obdicut

That was something we just tossed off. It’s no use crying after spilled milk.

Big, fat, milky crocodile tears.

48 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:04:46am

re: #46 rwdflynavy

Dude, Don’t be a dick!
//

Fine, I’ll take my balls and go home.

49 JRCMYP  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:04:51am

“Black-bloc anarchist.” Now that’s a new term to me. I need to get out more.

50 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:06:04am

Masturbation pun thread with early signs of OWS derailment.

SKYRIM!

51 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:06:26am

Breitbart’s sites are already screaming that the media is covering up the shooting incident because it’s “connected” to OWS.

52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:06:34am

re: #50 Jimmah

Masturbation pun thread with early signs of OWS derailment.

SKYRIM!

And it’s not even up to 100 yet.

53 blueraven  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:06:43am

re: #48 Obdicut

Fine, I’ll take my balls and go home.

Keep a stiff upper lip, my friend.

54 JRCMYP  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:06:55am

re: #51 Charles

Breitbart’s sites are already screaming that the media is covering up the shooting incident because it’s “connected” to OWS.

But of course.

55 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:07:18am

re: #52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And it’s not even up to 100 yet.

Hippies!

56 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:07:26am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Your redundancy is getting repetitive.
/

I am concerned about your reiteration of his redundant repetition…

57 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:07:46am

Okay

The TO DO list around the house ain’t getting shorter

58 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:07:51am

re: #51 Charles

Breitbart’s sites are already screaming that the media is covering up the shooting incident because it’s “connected” to OWS.

My favorite are the people claiming the AK47 must be from the Fast and Furious program.

59 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:08:04am

re: #51 Charles

Breitbart’s sites are already screaming that the media is covering up the shooting incident because it’s “connected” to OWS.

OWS is the new Muslims for the wingers.

60 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:09:35am

re: #59 Gus 802

OWS is the new Muslims for the wingers.

Crossbred with ACORN, the Tide Foundation and the “strapping young bucks” from the New Black Panthers.
/

61 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:09:39am

Maybe the wingnuts are defensive because “assault-style weapon” makes people think of this handsome example of GOProwess.

…and his guitar hero axe…

62 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:10:25am

re: #59 Gus 802

OWS is the new Muslims for the wingers.

Ice’s laptop just crashed - we’ll be back later.

63 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:10:26am

re: #60 celticdragon

Crossbred with ACORN, the Tide Foundation and the “strapping young bucks” from the New Black Panthers.
/

Which in fact we’ve already seen the wingers try and connect OWS with ACORN. OWS apparently is everything rolled into one. They probably are even the leading cause of cancer.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:10:41am

re: #59 Gus 802

OWS is the new Muslims for the wingers.

Yep. It was a cover for them to secretly start construction of the Conquest Mosque on the WTC site.
//

65 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:10:41am

re: #62 Jimmah

Ice’s laptop just crashed - we’ll be back later.

OK! Thanks. ;)

66 erik_t  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:10:48am

re: #54 JRCMYP

Pff. We didn’t take nearly that long to wander in the same direction.

/^inf

67 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:11:18am

re: #64 oaktree

Yep. It was a cover for them to secretly start construction of the Conquest Mosque on the WTC site.
//

How dare OWS protest within the vicinity of the WTC!

//Geller

68 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:11:22am

Cover up? Hundreds of news agencies/outlets are reporting this, and that the guy was seen at an Occupy DC site, perhaps using it as cover for his activities.

That’s a coverup?

No - a coverup would be that they know that the guy has definite ties to OWS and are purposefully redacting that from media reports.

What’s more likely - media trying to tie this guy to OWS or saying he’s a lone nutter? Which is more salacious and likely to bring additional eyeballs to media reports? The former.

69 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:11:32am

re: #61 darthstar

Not even that guy’s best picture.

Image: iherdsomething3.jpg

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:12:02am

re: #55 Gus 802

Hippies!

Commies!

Punch them!!

71 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:12:35am

Check out Breitbart camp follower John Nolte’s absurd, whiny screed about this story:

[Link: bigjournalism.com…]

72 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:12:53am

re: #68 lawhawk

Cover up? Hundreds of news agencies/outlets are reporting this, and that the guy was seen at an Occupy DC site, perhaps using it as cover for his activities.

That’s a coverup?

No - a coverup would be that they know that the guy has definite ties to OWS and are purposefully redacting that from media reports.

What’s more likely - media trying to tie this guy to OWS or saying he’s a lone nutter? Which is more salacious and likely to bring additional eyeballs to media reports? The former.

Even Huffpoo was among the first to point out the police were searching for him in the OWS camp. Not much of a coverup.

73 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:13:37am

This is the crap they feed to the wingnut base, 24/7:

Oscar Ramiro Ortega is still on the loose, still a suspected threat to our President, and if you don’t think his possible ties to the Occupy movement and the MSM’s desire to protect that movement has something to do with this story not getting the attention it deserves, you’re not paying attention.

74 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:13:43am

It seems to me at least at Occupy DC a lot of different groups are using it. Hell I even saw an Obama is a Muslim and wants Shariah sign when I was near the site with my brother Saturday. And I’ve walked through the site before a few times. Breitbart’s gang of douches who apologized for Brevik’s faux outrage is laughbable.

75 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:14:45am

If I were on the run I might hide out in an OWS camp. This says nothing about the OWS people agreeing with me, or with the idea of shooting at the White House, but rather with the fact that the camps are not controlled or well monitored.

76 allegro  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:15:27am

re: #73 Charles

This is the crap they feed to the wingnut base, 24/7:

… still a suspected threat to our President…

Oh yeah? Since when?

Sheesh, concern is noted.

77 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:15:29am

This story is all over the news today. The idea that it’s being “covered up” is pure lunacy.

78 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:15:40am

re: #73 Charles

It’s one of the top stories on MSNBC. Dirty liberals must be using reverse psychology.

79 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:15:54am

MSNBC:

“Specifically what he was aiming at, or not aiming at, is something that would be better addressed by interviewing him,” U.S. Park Police spokesman Sgt. David Schlosser said, according to The Washington Post. “Otherwise, it’s just speculation.”

Ortega has a criminal record including arrests for domestic violence, drug offenses, assault on a police officer and underage alcohol possession, the Post reported.

Law enforcement has searched for him in the Occupy DC camp at McPherson Square, NBC Washington reported. Park police believe Ortega came to the D.C. area several weeks ago and may still be in the area, the station reported.

80 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:16:41am

re: #77 Charles

This story is all over the news today. The idea that it’s being “covered up” is pure lunacy.

The wingnut angle on the story is being covered up, is what they mean.

81 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:16:49am

re: #79 lawhawk

MSNBC:

What a cover up.

82 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:16:55am

re: #77 Charles

This story is all over the news today. The idea that it’s being “covered up” is pure lunacy.

I’m reading about the latest right now. On Communist* MSNBC even.

*Wingers still think MSNBC is Communist or something.

83 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:16:59am

re: #77 Charles

This story is all over the news today. The idea that it’s being “covered up” is pure lunacy.

Wait until he’s caught…he’ll be the poster-child for the anti-immigration fucktards.

84 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:17:41am

“bullet proof glass” in the White House……bless you polycarbonate manufacturers……bless you Big Chemical.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:17:53am

Glad no one was hurt.

For someone to think that there’s not some serious defensive glass inside the White House windows is lunacy.

86 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:17:57am

re: #80 000G

The wingnut angle on the story is being covered up, is what they mean.

Or worse, the wingnut angle isn’t the only angle permitted.

87 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:18:04am

Something tells me that he might possibly show up in my neck of the woods.

Idaho Falls man wanted in connection of Washington, D.C. shooting

BTW, This story ran locally on the 13th.

//So yeah, I can see how it is being covered up.

88 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:18:22am

re: #73 Charles

This is the crap they feed to the wingnut base, 24/7:

Interesting that they have this fake outrage about someone who might pose a threat to the President, given the commenters at those same sites (FoxNews, CNS, Brietbart, HotAir) on a regular basis posting fantasies about both President and Michelle Obama’s assassination.

89 allegro  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:18:25am

re: #79 lawhawk

Law enforcement has searched for him in the Occupy DC camp at McPherson Square, NBC Washington reported. Park police believe Ortega came to the D.C. area several weeks ago and may still be in the area, the station reported.

I suspect they’ve searched quite a lot of places. And still are.

90 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:18:27am

Curiously, FoxNews, which has this as one of their promoted stories, doesn’t make mention of the search for Ortega at the Occupy DC location.

Fox News has learned that the FBI joined the investigation on Tuesday at the request of the Secret Service and U.S. Park Police. The FBI has extensive expertise in evidence gathering, which could explain why the agency was called in to assist.

Law enforcement continue to search for the suspect, 21-year-old Oscar Ortega-Hernandez. The suspect has a record of arrests in Idaho, Utah and Texas, according to MyFoxDC, and reportedly is believed to be mentally ill.
Park Police originally obtained an arrest warrant for Ortega-Hernandez after discovering an AK-47-style rifle in an abandoned car Friday night. The car was found after Secret Service officers heard shots being fired between two vehicles about a half-mile from the White House.

U.S. Park Police spokesman Sgt. David Schlosser said Sunday that officers had obtained an arrest warrant for the suspect on a felony charge of carrying a dangerous weapon, in connection with the incident.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:19:07am

re: #87 Bubblehead II

IDAHO! Survivalist! Oh noes!

92 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:19:10am

re: #90 lawhawk

Curiously, FoxNews, which has this as one of their promoted stories, doesn’t make mention of the search for Ortega at the Occupy DC location.

The cover-up goes very very deep.

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:20:31am

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He might not even have been shooting at the White House. He could have just been blasting away, or actually trying to kill a specific person.

I hope they catch him quick and he sings like a bird.

94 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:20:36am

re: #92 Charles

Well, if your only source is FoxNews - what more evidence do you need of a coverup?

95 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:21:00am

re: #88 RadicalModerate

Interesting that they have this fake outrage about someone who might pose a threat to the President, given the commenters at those same sites (FoxNews, CNS, Brietbart, HotAir) on a regular basis posting fantasies about both President and Michelle Obama’s assassination.

No kidding.

96 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:21:45am

re: #84 Big Steve

“bullet proof glass” in the White House…bless you polycarbonate manufacturers…bless you Big Chemical.

…

Yeah. If we listened to those damn radical left-wing greenies we wouldn’t have bullet proof glass.

97 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:21:49am

re: #92 Charles

The cover-up goes very very deep.

“Even Fox News” is a common phrase among the wackier of the wackos.

98 blueraven  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:22:00am

What is so scary, is that this happened at all. The bullet hit near the private living quarters.

This guy could be just nuts, a stooge or a hired gun. But the first reaction of the rightwing is to place blame.

The whole thing is alarming.

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:22:08am

re: #93 Obdicut
Bunch of bullets flying around in that town anyway.

100 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:24:30am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bunch of bullets flying around in that town anyway.

Yes, but now they can be tied to a group of pacifists protesting for economic equality.

101 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:25:03am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bunch of bullets flying around in that town anyway.

Trajectory analysis can usually determine whether it was an errant shot or one specifically targeting the White House.

102 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:25:31am

Breitbart camp follower Jim Nolte claims the AP is covering up the OWS “connection” … then links to a story that explicitly says the police searched the OWS camp: Could a Possible #OccupyWallStreet Connection Explain Lack of MSM’s White House Shooting Coverage? - Big Journalism

But check out the headline of that article as well as this AP headline. The disconnect is obvious. The AP headline doesn’t connect the shooter to the Occupy movement, and the Huffington Post headline doesn’t connect the Occupy camp search to the White House shooting.

The AP story: Man who fired shots near White House at large - WTOP.com

Schlosser says police searched the Occupy D.C. encampment in McPherson Square after callers said they had seen a man matching Ortega’s description, but the search turned up empty.

These people are completely beyond parody. They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re making shit up.

103 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:25:50am

The weirdest thing I saw in D.C Saturday were signs accusing Scalia of date rape and soliciting prostitutes. I am not a fan of his but that was weird.

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:26:02am

re: #101 RadicalModerate

Yeah. I’ve seen the Mythbusters “El Guapo” episode.

105 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:26:25am

re: #96 Gus 802

…

Polycarbonate (also known as Lexan) is made from bisphenol A (aka diphenyl propane….aka BPA) and yes I understand your sarcasm but BPA is in fact a chemical that the “greenies” are trying to ban due to disputed evidence of its estrogen mimic properties in low levels.

106 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:26:30am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

The weirdest thing I saw in D.C Saturday were signs accusing Scalia of date rape and soliciting prostitutes. I am not a fan of his but that was weird.

I would think Scalia would weird out a prostitute if he approached her.

107 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:27:17am

re: #102 Charles

Breitbart camp follower Jim Nolte claims the AP is covering up the OWS “connection” … then links to a story that explicitly says the police searched the OWS camp: Could a Possible #OccupyWallStreet Connection Explain Lack of MSM’s White House Shooting Coverage? - Big Journalism

The AP story: Man who fired shots near White House at large - WTOP.com

These people are completely beyond parody. They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re making shit up.

Sheesh. Don’t these idiots know anything about journalism? A headline isn’t supposed to tell the whole story. Morons but par the expectation from Breitbart and his band of dimwits.

108 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:27:26am

re: #105 Big Steve

Polycarbonate (also known as Lexan) is made from bisphenol A (aka diphenyl propane…aka BPA) and yes I understand your sarcasm but BPA is in fact a chemical that the “greenies” are trying to ban due to disputed evidence of its estrogen mimic properties in low levels.

Thanks for clearing that up. I knew there was a reason for you saying Big Chemical.

109 blueraven  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:27:37am

re: #102 Charles

Breitbart camp follower Jim Nolte claims the AP is covering up the OWS “connection” … then links to a story that explicitly says the police searched the OWS camp: Could a Possible #OccupyWallStreet Connection Explain Lack of MSM’s White House Shooting Coverage? - Big Journalism

The AP story: Man who fired shots near White House at large - WTOP.com

These people are completely beyond parody. They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’re making shit up.

They are pissed that the AP headline is not…DC shooter OWS protester

110 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:28:40am

re: #106 darthstar

I would think Scalia would weird out a prostitute if he approached her.

Ha, I think so too but it was funny because I was with my ten year old kid brother and he didn’t know who he was and thought it was weird. He also enjoyed seeing the Occupy DC people after hearing about them on the news and from our dad.

111 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:30:34am

Notice that the AP story says they searched the camp and “came up empty.”

Cover up!

112 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:31:29am

re: #101 RadicalModerate

Trajectory analysis can usually determine whether it was an errant shot or one specifically targeting the White House.

Actually there were two bullets that Hit the White House.

“The Secret Service said that one bullet had been stopped by the reinforced windows installed inside the historic exterior glass used at the White House. One additional round was found outside.”

Now if they aren’t to deformed, they may be able to do a ballistics match with the recovered weapon.

113 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:31:36am

re: #105 Big Steve

Polycarbonate (also known as Lexan) is made from bisphenol A (aka diphenyl propane…aka BPA) and yes I understand your sarcasm but BPA is in fact a chemical that the “greenies” are trying to ban due to disputed evidence of its estrogen mimic properties in low levels.

Tell the whole story Steve. Nobody’s trying to ban it entirely, they’re trying to ban it in baby bottles.

114 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:31:41am

re: #111 Charles

Notice that the AP story says they searched the camp and “came up empty.”

Cover up!

So the only connection the wingers have is that it occurred in the vicinity of Occupy DC.

115 darthstar  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:31:51am

re: #111 Charles

Notice that the AP story says they searched the camp and “came up empty.”

Cover up!

I thought they didn’t allow covers in the camp anymore.

116 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:32:21am

What I love is how eager the wingers are to make this guy a left winger while they got angry at any suggestions about right wing violence. Remember the New York cabby that got stabbed I believe. They were like oh no he can’t be one of ours. And of course those who attempted to rationalize Brevik in Norway this summer when it was clear as day he was one of theirs.

117 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:34:46am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

The ‘truth’ is that they are also trying to ban BPA in part per billion levels in waste-water from chemical plants. This would halt all production.

118 blueraven  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:35:34am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Tell the whole story Steve. Nobody’s trying to ban it entirely, they’re trying to ban it in baby bottles.

They are just babies, not fetuses…so who cares?

///

119 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:37:04am

re: #117 Big Steve

The ‘truth’ is that they are also trying to ban BPA in part per billion levels in waste-water from chemical plants. This would halt all production.

Which industry group came up with that line of BS?

120 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:38:36am

re: #106 darthstar

I would think Scalia would weird out a prostitute if he approached her.

If I were a “working girl” of that type (which I am not), Scalia would send up “possible perv…run away fast!” flags on my head.

121 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:39:05am
Ortega has an extensive record, ranging from domestic violence to drug charges. Sources say a police investigation has uncovered evidence suggesting Ortega has a fixation on the White House.

ZOMG! Hippie!

A crazy guy with drug and anger management issues shoots at the White House and this is connected to the protests how, exactly? Oh, right. It’s not. It’s just more concern trolling.

Charles, could we possibly get some kind of moratorium or new rule about OWS? Not even five posts into this thread and the whole thread is immediately derailed into another goddamn flame war. It’s getting to where nothing else can be discussed around here without OWS somehow being brought into the picture. It’s frustrating.

122 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:39:49am

But of course…

Chamber Urges Obama to Halt U.S. EPA Action on Bisphenol A

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation’s biggest business lobby, is asking the Obama administration to suspend plans for listing the chemical bisphenol A among substances that may harm the environment.

The Environmental Protection Agency said last year it would study the effects of Bisphenol A, or BPA, which has been used for decades to make baby bottles and plastic food containers, and consider including it on its “concern list.”

The chamber, representing more than 3 million companies and organizations, said the EPA lacks the scientific backing needed to list the chemical. The Washington-based group also said the agency hasn’t weighed the economic effects of listing.

“There is no evidence that EPA has considered economic cost and jobs impact of its actions,” Bill Kovacs, the chamber’s senior vice president of environment, technology and regulatory affairs, wrote June 7 to Cass Sunstein, head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs…

123 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:40:07am

re: #121 Lidane

I don’t actually see a flamewar.

124 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:41:30am

re: #119 Gus 802

Which industry group came up with that line of BS?

[Link: www.ewg.org…]

125 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:44:55am

re: #124 Big Steve

[Link: www.ewg.org…]

Where does that say anything about halting all production?

126 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:44:56am

re: #121 Lidane

A crazy guy with drug and anger management issues shoots at the White House and this is connected to the protests how, exactly? Oh, right. It’s not. It’s just more concern trolling.

Charles, could we possibly get some kind of moratorium or new rule about OWS? Not even five posts into this thread and the whole thread is immediately derailed into another goddamn flame war. It’s getting to where nothing else can be discussed around here without OWS somehow being brought into the picture. It’s frustrating.

IMO-We do not need an OWS rule. We need to not squabble, especially given this centric blog has plenty of folks that disagree along right left schism. I’d rather not feel reluctant to post an OWS story or news item for fear of it re-igniting the drama around here.

127 albusteve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:45:30am

re: #121 Lidane

A crazy guy with drug and anger management issues shoots at the White House and this is connected to the protests how, exactly? Oh, right. It’s not. It’s just more concern trolling.

Charles, could we possibly get some kind of moratorium or new rule about OWS? Not even five posts into this thread and the whole thread is immediately derailed into another goddamn flame war. It’s getting to where nothing else can be discussed around here without OWS somehow being brought into the picture. It’s frustrating.

discuss whatever you want….you are not obligated to read every post….many’s the time there were multiple discussions here at once

128 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:46:07am

re: #125 Gus 802

Where does that say anything about halting all production?

That’s not a rhetorical question either. I just want to know where in that paper this is indicated.

129 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:46:54am

re: #123 Obdicut

Fine. Thread-jacking. Whatever.

I’m just at the point where I’m hostile to any mention of OWS anymore. I’m goddamn sick of it. I am tired of every topic around here inevitably getting dragged into a discussion about it because of the near constant concern trolling. Zucotti Park being cleared should have slowed all that shit down, but instead everything is somehow connected.

Crazy guy shoots at the White House? ZOMG! OWS! The box office for Immortals is less than half of what 300 debuted with? ZOMG! OWS! The House GOP declares pizza a vegetable? ZOMG! OWS!

What. The. Fuck. Who knew that a buch of people camping out would cause so many otherwise reasonable people to lose their goddamn minds?

130 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:47:05am

The police had him but let him go…

A bullet cracked the outer window but was stopped by ballistic glass. U.S. Park Police now have an arrest warrant out of Oscar Ramiro Ortega, who is believed to have fired shots from a semiautomatic rifle near the White House Friday night. At the time, he was stopped by police, then released.

131 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:47:23am

re: #127 albusteve

discuss whatever you want…you are not obligated to read every post…many’s the time there were multiple discussions here at once

And you are not obligated to read Lidane’s post either.

132 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:47:23am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

There is a “connection” with OWS because he is suspected to have been hanging around the camp.

Is there any evidence of a right wing connection? Am I missing something?

That’s not a connection. It’s a speculation, at best. Come on Kilgore, I understand you are a critic but this is just hurting your credibility.

133 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:48:57am

New HPV/Bachmann thread! I wonder how we can tie OWS to that.

//

134 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:49:36am

re: #133 Gus 802

Give it ten posts. I’m sure someone will find a connection.

135 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:49:51am

re: #125 Gus 802

Where does that say anything about halting all production?

That was but one reference and are you that naive to think that the goal of such groups to not to eliminate BPA at the ppb level from receiving waters? I could go on and pile reference onto reference on this topic and I can quite assure you I know a lot more about it than you do. But you are not demonstrating any desire to be open minded so I shall not waste my time.

136 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:50:56am

re: #129 Lidane

Fine. Thread-jacking. Whatever.

I’m just at the point where I’m hostile to any mention of OWS anymore. I’m goddamn sick of it. I am tired of every topic around here inevitably getting dragged into a discussion about it because of the near constant concern trolling. Zucotti Park being cleared should have slowed all that shit down, but instead everything is somehow connected.

Crazy guy shoots at the White House? ZOMG! OWS! The box office for Immortals is less than half of what 300 debuted with? ZOMG! OWS! The House GOP declares pizza a vegetable? ZOMG! OWS!

What. The. Fuck. Who knew that a buch of people camping out would cause so many otherwise reasonable people to lose their goddamn minds?

May we please not toss out the good with the bad?

137 jaunte  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:51:01am
Oscar Ramiro Ortega is still on the loose, still a suspected threat to our President, and if you don’t think his possible ties to the Occupy movement and the MSM’s desire to protect that movement has something to do with this story not getting the attention it deserves, you’re not paying attention.

This sudden concern for our President from a Breitbart site is novel.

138 blueraven  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:51:05am

re: #133 Gus 802

New HPV/Bachmann thread! I wonder how we can tie OWS to that.

//

Hippies=anti-vaxers

139 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:51:29am

re: #135 Big Steve

That was but one reference and are you that naive to think that the goal of such groups to not to eliminate BPA at the ppb level from receiving waters? I could go on and pile reference onto reference on this topic and I can quite assure you I know a lot more about it than you do. But you are not demonstrating any desire to be open minded so I shall not waste my time.

Yes. Don’t waste my time with your industry rhetoric. After all, EWG is connected with Tides which is funded by Soros!

You’ve said enough.

140 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:53:20am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

At the time, the police had no reason to keep him in custody. It was only after the shots were fired, and the vehicle discovered, that he became a person of interest.

141 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:54:22am

re: #136 Rightwingconspirator

May we please not toss out the good with the bad?

Where is the good? Every topic around here inevitably degenerates into an OWS discussion even if the topic at hand has nothing to do with it.

I don’t want people banned. I want the topic banned, just until all this shit settles down. It’s goddamn frustrating for every single post to end up filled with concern trolling. It’s annoying, it’s old, and it’s completely unproductive.

142 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:54:36am

re: #138 blueraven

Hippies=anti-vaxers

Exactly.

Hippies are against vaccinations toooooo!!11ty

Oh look. Found one…

Doctors are trying to circulate through the park, treat the ill, and inoculate the still healthy. But progress has been uneven because many of the Occupy Wall Street people are feverish cranks who think that vaccinations are a “government conspiracy” to undermine the 99%’s glorious vanguard. Sexually transmitted diseases are of course also spreading, and some protesters are even suffering hearing damage from the drum circle. One wonders how much of this is really necessary for creating the “vibrant brand of urbanism” that the Washington Post laughingly declared Occupy centers have become.

143 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:55:15am

re: #114 Gus 802

So the only connection the wingers have is that it occurred in the vicinity of Occupy DC.

Heh, and hiding in crowds is a good way to lose the fuzz.

144 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:57:28am

re: #142 Gus 802

Exactly.

Oh look. Found one…

Doctors are trying to circulate through the park, treat the ill, and inoculate the still healthy. But progress has been uneven because many of the Occupy Wall Street people are feverish cranks who think that vaccinations are a “government conspiracy” to undermine the 99%’s glorious vanguard. Sexually transmitted diseases are of course also spreading, and some protesters are even suffering hearing damage from the drum circle. One wonders how much of this is really necessary for creating the “vibrant brand of urbanism” that the Washington Post laughingly declared Occupy centers have become.

There’s more!

And while all those crimes and dangers might seem substantive to us, obviously the Occupy movement’s real is messaging. That’s why “framing is everything” liberal leading light George Lakoff has written a guide to protesters who want to reach Middle America. It repeats almost verbatim the notoriously incoherent and anti-scientific drivel that constituted his previous work, but who knows? Maybe the protesters can reframe their rape cover-ups as “community solidarity,” and their anti-vaccination craziness as “freedom from health.” Convinced yet?

Here’s the wingnut that wrote all that crap.

145 albusteve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:58:10am

re: #141 Lidane

Where is the good? Every topic around here inevitably degenerates into an OWS discussion even if the topic at hand has nothing to do with it.

I don’t want people banned. I want the topic banned, just until all this shit settles down. It’s goddamn frustrating for every single post to end up filled with concern trolling. It’s annoying, it’s old, and it’s completely unproductive.

maybe you don’t recall the endless stupid posts regarding Palin that went on for weeks and even months?…same with any blurb concerning the TP?…

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:58:19am

re: #20 Alouette

Two of my grandsons are named “Israel” and one is Israeli and the other one is Canadian.

Old joke—why are there so many Jewish boys named Scott? How many Scottish families names their boys Yisrael?

147 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:59:44am

Thanks publicityStunted!

148 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:59:45am

re: #141 Lidane

Where is the good? Every topic around here inevitably degenerates into an OWS discussion even if the topic at hand has nothing to do with it.

I don’t want people banned. I want the topic banned, just until all this shit settles down. It’s goddamn frustrating for every single post to end up filled with concern trolling. It’s annoying, it’s old, and it’s completely unproductive.

Well, this is an OWS themed thread so it’s not unexpected. I certainly play my part in the OWS flamewars but so do the OWS supporters. I think it’s important to avoid attempting to control what other people post but to focus on your reaction it. I don’t mind if people post pro-OWS stuff, I often upding it. Much of the problem comes from people who bristle and seethe over any criticism of OWS, real or imagined.

149 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:00:20am

When your position on OWS looks like a copy and paste from a wingnut, it’s time to reexamine your critique.

150 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:03:17am

re: #141 Lidane

The good is an effort by some to offset the BS here or in the MSM, with content that provides the other side of the argument, sometimes right from the horses mouths.

151 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:03:26am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It had nothing to do with OWS and everything to do with a crazy guy with a rap sheet for drugs and domestic violence shooting at the White House.

The only OWS connection is imaginary.

I think it’s important to avoid attempting to control what other people post but to focus on your reaction it.

My reaction to it is that I’m goddamn sick of it. Period.

I was nominally sympathetic to the ideas behind OWS, but at this point, I don’t give a fuck anymore. Congratulations. You and your constant concern trolling about this fucking topic have completely ruined any rational discussion that people could have had about it. Why bother when it’s inevitably going to turn into a diatribe from you about dirty fucking hippies and whatever other concerns you have?

152 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:04:56am

By the way, given all of some of your support for police actions against the OWS protestors, why don’t you post stories like this one?
Because it doesn’t fit into your worldview?

84-Year-Old Woman Becomes the Pepper-Sprayed Face of Occupy Seattle

Seattle photographer Joshua Trujillo captured what may become the defining image of this week of Occupy unrest — an elderly woman being led away from the mayhem, her face covered with pepper spray. A pregnant woman and a priest were also hit with pepper spray during a march on Tuesday night. You see more photos of the confrontation at SeattlePI.com

[…]

The woman in the picture is not just any elderly woman, however, as she is well known to Seattle residents. Dorli Rainey is a former school teacher who has been active in local politics since the 1960s. In 2009, she ran for mayor, but eventually dropped out by saying, “I am old and should learn to be old, stay home, watch TV and sit still.” We guess she didn’t learn.

Rainey emailed The Stranger, Seattle’s alternative paper, to say she stopped by the march to see what was happening when her group got pinned in by police and nearly trampled in the chaos.

Then again, maybe you just think that she just deserved what happened to her.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:05:44am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Why would wingnuts deny something that nobody has suggested?

Because every times something like this happens they go into defensive maneuvers, because they’re aware that they’ve created and fueled a vast sense of hysterical threat out there.

They went nuts when Gifford was shot. The official reason was that they were being blamed. The unofficial reason was that, just like everyone else, they heard the news and thought ‘shit, Tea Partier lost it’.

They went nuts with Breivik too. There was no shock, only immediate distancing and claims of victimization.

They know they’ve armed a weapon, which may or may not go off in a variety of situations. When it does, they’re prepared to claim innocence. And victimization. Sometimes also when it doesn’t go off.

It’s a hell of a way to live.

154 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:05:53am

re: #147 Gus 802

Thanks publicityStunted!

No problem. Let’s just say I’ve been on the receiving end of wingdingnuts as well ;)

155 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:06:20am

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

The good is an effort by some to offset the BS here or in the MSM, with content that provides the other side of the argument, sometimes right from the horses mouths.

At this point, I just don’t care anymore. The topic needs to die.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:06:45am

re: #49 JRCMYP

“Black-bloc anarchist.” Now that’s a new term to me. I need to get out more.

Oh, they’ve been around forever. They will be around forever.

Annoying little soandsos.

157 Gus  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:07:36am

re: #152 RadicalModerate

By the way, given all of some of your support for police actions against the OWS protestors, why don’t you post stories like this one?
Because it doesn’t fit into your worldview?

84-Year-Old Woman Becomes the Pepper-Sprayed Face of Occupy Seattle

Then again, maybe you just think that she just deserved what happened to her.

Thanks for bringing that up. I made a page early this morning…

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:07:58am

re: #73 Charles

This is the crap they feed to the wingnut base, 24/7:

Oscar Ramiro Ortega is still on the loose, still a suspected threat to our President,

Wait. Since when is Obama ‘our president’? That’s not how they usually refer to him.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:09:32am

re: #75 EmmmieG

If I were on the run I might hide out in an OWS camp. This says nothing about the OWS people agreeing with me, or with the idea of shooting at the White House, but rather with the fact that the camps are not controlled or well monitored.

They’re also not that big, and events are constantly happening that ensure that the press and the cops will be there. It seems rather an iffy place to be.

160 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:09:37am

From AP:

BREAKING: Secret Service says suspect in White House shooting arrested at Pennsylvania hotel.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:11:03am

re: #106 darthstar

I would think Scalia would weird out a prostitute if he approached her.

Hey, some hookers are wonks too. SHe might think it was cool.

162 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:13:13am

re: #152 RadicalModerate

I assume that was directed at me….

By the way, given all of some of your support for police actions against the OWS protestors, why don’t you post stories like this one?
Because it doesn’t fit into your worldview?

I haven’t adressed it because there’s no way to tell what’s happening from the still pics. These protests can be violent and confrontational. Police have been attacked, stabbed, injured, etc. depending on the nature of the protest it may not have been a good place for an elderly lady. If we can find some decent video I’d like to see it.

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:14:31am

re: #160 Charles

After Bullet Hits White House, a Manhunt and Arrest

Federal law enforcement authorities on Tuesday arrested a 21-year-0ld Idaho man suspected of shooting with a semiautomatic rifle at the White House on Friday night, as the Secret Service reported finding that at least one bullet had indeed struck the presidential residence.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:15:51am

re: #150 Rightwingconspirator

The good is an effort by some to offset the BS here or in the MSM, with content that provides the other side of the argument, sometimes right from the horses mouths.

Possibly. I posted some material from a revered-by-some activist (I have deeply mixed feelings about him) who’s currently involved with Occupy Oakland the other night, and it didn’t go down very well.

I have the Mark of the Trout on me, I think.

165 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:19:59am

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

I have the Mark of the Trout on me, I think.

Heh. Sorry about the stink.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:24:42am

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I assume that was directed at me…

I haven’t adressed it because there’s no way to tell what’s happening from the still pics. These protests can be violent and confrontational. Police have been attacked, stabbed, injured, etc. depending on the nature of the protest it may not have been a good place for an elderly lady. If we can find some decent video I’d like to see it.

1. Yes, it was directed at you.

2. The elderly lady seems to have felt it was a perfectly good place for her, and at eighty-four, I can only assume she’s got some sense of such things.

3. I’d also like to see what happened in the lead-up. THe cops say

“Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers,” Kappel wrote on the department’s blog.

but the still photo seems to show something of a gridlock of folks, and I’m wondering exactly how possible it was for people to disperse, or move, under those conditions. Mrs. Rainey says she was ‘almost trampled’, which suggests a dense crowd. I’d be very curious to see the video of the event.

Everyone should now feel free to attack me, either for suggesting that the police might have fucked up, or for supporting police brutality, or both.

167 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:25:26am

Seattle Cops Pepper Spray A Priest, An 84 Year Old Lady & A Pregnant Woman At Occupy Protest

Youtube Video

You can see the black block anarchists in the front when the pepper spray starts. They are putting their fellow protesters at risk and shouldn’t be tolerated at these protests. The 17 year old girl was sprayed because she attacked an officer with a stick.

168 Lidane  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:26:32am

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait. Since when is Obama ‘our president’? That’s not how they usually refer to him.

He’s only “their president” when there’s a faint chance of pinning this White House shooting on OWS.

If he was known to be a conservative or Tea Party type, he’d be nothing but a crazy lone wolf.

169 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:27:04am

Glad they caught the guy.

170 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:27:35am

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

You can see some video of the situation at #167. The black block guys have gas masks, their fellow protesters don’t.

171 albusteve  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:28:20am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Glad they caught the guy.

I hope he likes reconstituted eggs

172 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:31:48am

The great thing about violently irrational people (from the viewpoint of partisan hacks) is that they have no trouble with cognitive dissonance. They can be blathering wingnut talking points and switch to unalloyed moonbattery a second later. This makes it possible to cherry-pick their ravings for whatever purpose one intends. The same might be said for their asociations: You can find them at Young Communist rallies one day and the Tea Party the next. It means nothing except that they are, well, nuts, but it’s remarkable how many supposed pundits will ignore this.

173 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:41:00am

re: #167 Killgore Trout

How the heck is OWS supposed to get rid of the anarchists that confound and avoid and provoke the cops? By force? The irony of OWS calling the cops for help against the real troublemakers is just immense.

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:53:30am

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

How the heck is OWS supposed to get rid of the anarchists that confound and avoid and provoke the cops? By force? The irony of OWS calling the cops for help against the real troublemakers is just immense.

If it was up to me (which it isn’t) I’d purge the anarchists from the movement starting anon. Anybody with anarchy symbols or rhetoric would be asked to leave the camp. I’m sure the police would be happy to help remove any anarchists from marches. Instead of standing behind the anarchists while they provoke police maybe just walk away.
The truth is that there’s a a symbiotic relationship between the lefties and the anarchists. Lefties are screaming bloody murder with their “kent state”-type image of “police brutality” instead of condemning the violent anarchists who attacked police and put the old lady at risk. The anarchists get free reign to attack police and the lefties get their image of police brutality. It’s disgustingly cynical.

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:01:16pm

Occupy Seattle Protesters Pepper Sprayed,Nov 15,2011

Youtube Video

The reporter say the protesters were “clearly trying to provoke police” throwing bottles, etc

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:02:39pm

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

How the heck is OWS supposed to get rid of the anarchists that confound and avoid and provoke the cops? By force? The irony of OWS calling the cops for help against the real troublemakers is just immense.

My favorite dude, the Black Panther from the Time article, feels that OWS has to get rid of the anarchists by any means necessary.

Time didn’t ask what he meant by that.

177 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:09:23pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

If it was up to me (which it isn’t) I’d purge the anarchists from the movement starting anon. Anybody with anarchy symbols or rhetoric would be asked to leave the camp. I’m sure the police would be happy to help remove any anarchists from marches. Instead of standing behind the anarchists while they provoke police maybe just walk away.
The truth is that there’s a a symbiotic relationship between the lefties and the anarchists. Lefties are screaming bloody murder with their “kent state”-type image of “police brutality” instead of condemning the violent anarchists who attacked police and put the old lady at risk. The anarchists get free reign to attack police and the lefties get their image of police brutality. It’s disgustingly cynical.

I agree 100% with how they should disavow and separate from Anon and Anarchists. The fact the Anarchists haunt or support the Occupy movement is not a burden I put on OWS, I hold the Anarchists responsible for their actions, and nobody else. Provocation is a chess game well played by all.

178 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:21:53pm

re: #105 Big Steve

Polycarbonate (also known as Lexan) is made from bisphenol A (aka diphenyl propane…aka BPA) and yes I understand your sarcasm but BPA is in fact a chemical that the “greenies” are trying to ban due to disputed evidence of its estrogen mimic properties in low levels.

The only noise I’ve heard about banning BPA is for items for food and drink (Nalgenes, food containers, flatware, etc.); given what I’ve read about BPA’s estrogen mimicry, I don’t mind that.

However, I seriously doubt that BPA in other polycarbonate items (such as bullet-resistant glass) is going away any time soon.

179 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:24:06pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

If it was up to me (which it isn’t) I’d purge the anarchists from the movement starting anon. Anybody with anarchy symbols or rhetoric would be asked to leave the camp. I’m sure the police would be happy to help remove any anarchists from marches

On what authority would cops remove people? What if the anarchists, asked to leave, just said ‘no’?

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:26:47pm

re: #179 Obdicut

On what authority would cops remove people? What if the anarchists, asked to leave, just said ‘no’?

I’m sure they’d find an excuse. Maybe a thin one but the cops would be more than happy to remove the violent elements from the protests. It’s safer for everybody including the cops. The police aren’t pepper spraying old ladies for fun and would rather not have things like this happen. Without help from the protesters there’s not much that can be done.

181 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:29:18pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

I’m sure they’d find an excuse. Maybe a thin one but the cops would be more than happy to remove the violent elements from the protests.

Your surety on things is really freaking weird.

. Without help from the protesters there’s not much that can be done.

Really? The cops couldn’t arrest anyone wearing the black bloc on their own, they have to have them pointed out by the other protesters?

182 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:32:42pm

re: #181 Obdicut

Your surety on things is really freaking weird.

Really? The cops couldn’t arrest anyone wearing the black bloc on their own, they have to have them pointed out by the other protesters?

Because the protesters interfere with the arrests and fight with the police. Instead on interfering with the arrest of violent protesters maybe they should help.

183 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:38:02pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Because the protesters interfere with the arrests and fight with the police.

Yeah. All of them do. Sure.

Instead on interfering with the arrest of violent protesters maybe they should help.

Never mind, I forgot who I was talking to.

Sad.

184 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:38:12pm

If the protesters went to police before the march and told them that potentially violent anarchists were going to show up I’m sure they’d have a whole lot of ideas, tips and techniques to solve the problem.

185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:58:50pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

If the protesters went to police before the march and told them that potentially violent anarchists were going to show up I’m sure they’d have a whole lot of ideas, tips and techniques to solve the problem.

…but of course that’s not really what this is about. It’s about provoking violence to capture images of police brutality and oppression.

186 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:30:29pm

Yes. That is what this is about.
/

187 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:40:31pm

By the way, how do you “purge anon”? Confiscate all Guy Fawkes masks?

188 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 4:11:22pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

There is a “connection” with OWS because he is suspected to have been hanging around the camp.

Is there any evidence of a right wing connection? Am I missing something?

When the only person updinging your post is “Big Steve”, maybe it’s time to consider the possibility that the problem is with your posts, and not with LGF.

189 tnguitarist  Wed, Nov 16, 2011 5:52:11pm

re: #61 darthstar

Maybe the wingnuts are defensive because “assault-style weapon” makes people think of this handsome example of GOProwess.

…and his guitar hero axe…

Laugh but……I know that guy.


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