Fox Nation Fails to Correct False Claim That Alleged WH Shooter is ‘Linked to OWS’

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Law enforcement officials announced on Wednesday that there was no connection whatsoever between alleged White House shooter Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez and the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations.

Yet, Fox Nation still has the following article running on their front page with no updates or corrections: Man Linked to ‘Occupy’ Protest Charged With Attempted Assassination of Obama - Occupy Wall Street - Fox Nation.

And note that this claim was already known to be false when they first posted the article on Thursday.

Right wing journalism at work.

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200 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:23:54pm

They know what they know and don't need anyone to tell them that.

2 Simply Sarah  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:24:04pm

It's not a lie! He's totally linked to Occupy. See? The headline forms the link! It's a nice, tautological statement. I mean, it's made from whole cloth and not sound in the least, but it's logically valid!
/

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:25:47pm

He looks like he would both be at OWS and want to kill the president.

On the other hand, these people hate Obama, why should they be concerned if somebody wants to kill him?

4 jaunte  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:26:25pm

20-something? check.
Facial hair? check.
Hispanic surname? check.
Arrested? check.

We make the connection, you decide.

5 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:27:44pm

seems obvious to me he is a Ugandan-American hit man....question is, who hired him?

6 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:28:33pm

re: #3 ralphieboy

He looks like he would both be at OWS and want to kill the president.

On the other hand, these people hate Obama, why should they be concerned if somebody wants to kill him?

if actually wanted to kill the president, he is not fit for trial

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:28:45pm

re: #5 albusteve

Putin.

8 freetoken  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:28:50pm

re: #5 albusteve

seems obvious to me he is a Ugandan-American hit man...question is, who hired him?

Clearly Idi Amin arranged this before his death.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:29:00pm

re: #3 ralphieboy

He looks like he would both be at OWS and want to kill the president.

On the other hand, these people hate Obama, why should they be concerned if somebody wants to kill him?

He looks like the guy who chides you for having your karma out of whack.

Not good boyfriend material, and unfriendly to non-pot-smokers, but essentially harmless.

Or so we thought.

10 Simply Sarah  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:29:34pm

re: #3 ralphieboy

He looks like he would both be at OWS and want to kill the president.

On the other hand, these people hate Obama, why should they be concerned if somebody wants to kill him?

Oh, they're not concerned about someone wanting to kill him beyond trying to use that to tar and feather the Occupy movements.

11 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:30:04pm

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Putin.

nah, Pute woulda done it himself

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:30:28pm

re: #11 albusteve

Nah, he's old.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:30:52pm

re: #3 ralphieboy

On the other hand, these people hate Obama, why should they be concerned if somebody wants to kill him?

I wasn't very fond of Bush...my mother taught me not to say I hated people...but I didn't want anyone to kill him, because shooting presidents is bad, mmmkay?

But I somehow don't think of the Fox Nation people as thinking in these terms. Which may be stereotyping and bigotry on my part.

14 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:30:58pm

re: #12 Sergey Romanov

Nah, he's old.

he's bionic

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:31:40pm

re: #12 Sergey Romanov

Nah, he's old.

But in very good shape. As we have learned, from pictures of him riding around topless on a horse, in the snow.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:32:07pm

re: #14 albusteve

Then maybe this guy is his clone plus plastic surgery.

17 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:32:39pm

He's not left wing..
He's not right wing..
He's both wings...
...as in BATSHIT CRAZY!!
PERIOD!

18 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:32:42pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

But in very good shape. As we have learned, from pictures of him riding around topless on a horse, in the snow.

see, proof he has a battery operated furnace in his buttocks

19 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:33:32pm

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

Then maybe this guy is his clone plus plastic surgery.

you can't rule out anything these days....they should check into that angle

20 mr.fusion  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:36:57pm

Lies like this used to matter, right? I'm not just imagining that?

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:37:05pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, this one: Image: 27_1.jpg /

But would you say this is a good shape?

[Link: yablor.ru...]

22 Simply Sarah  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:37:32pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

I wasn't very fond of Bush...my mother taught me not to say I hated people...but I didn't want anyone to kill him, because shooting presidents is bad, mmmkay?

But I somehow don't think of the Fox Nation people as thinking in these terms. Which may be stereotyping and bigotry on my part.

I think I've said it here before, but back in 2009 I decided a social club (Maybe not the best term) I was checking out wasn't for me after some of the members there made states basically saying that the only reason they didn't want to see Obama assassinated was because Biden as President would be even worse. Made me just a tad uncomfortable, to say the least.

23 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:37:40pm

re: #20 mr.fusion

Lies like this used to matter, right? I'm not just imagining that?

Fox News successfully defended their right to lie. They openly admit it. They don't care, and their audience does it. The consumers of the wingnut propaganda appear to like being lied to.

24 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:37:51pm

re: #5 albusteve

Khadafi. Last gasp of a dying regime was to put in motion a plan to spray the WH with gunfire and use a who had religious visions to boot /

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:38:20pm

re: #17 reloadingisnotahobby

He's not left wing..
He's not right wing..

He's a centrist! JOE LIEBERMAN I'M LOOKING AT YOU!

//kiddin

26 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:39:04pm

re: #20 mr.fusion

Lies like this used to matter, right? I'm not just imagining that?

not to me..what's the point?...
I look at politics as a curiosity, removed from reality
Fox News is entertainment

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:39:34pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Ah, this one: Image: 27_1.jpg /

But would you say this is a good shape?

[Link: yablor.ru...]

Eh, not so bad for a man his age.

28 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:42:32pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist
...and I always bring a photographer with me when I
go in for a checkup!!!/
I'm still wearing the same size cloths I wore in 1974!!
...I just tie stuff around my waist.........;-)

29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:43:09pm

By the way, if you check out the comments at any right wing blog on this issue, every single one of them believes Ortega was at the OWS demonstration. Some of them think he was actually arrested there. And I'm talking about hundreds and hundreds of comments.

I was interested to see how this fake meme was spreading, and it's already everywhere. They're utterly convinced of it.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:44:13pm

re: #29 Charles

By the way, if you check out the comments at any right wing blog on this issue, every single one of them believes Ortega was at the OWS demonstration. Some of them think he was actually arrested there. And I'm talking about hundreds and hundreds of comments.

I was interested to see how this fake meme was spreading, and it's already everywhere. They're utterly convinced of it.

Means something to them, clearly.

31 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:45:04pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Ah, this one: Image: 27_1.jpg /

What's the significance of the bit circled in red in the photo??

32 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:45:13pm

re: #29 Charles

What better way to impugn the OWS movement than to claim that someone attacked the WH and was involved in OWS - even though all evidence (you know - what lawyers and law enforcement look for) points to the contrary.

This is like throwing the proverbial "everything and the kitchen sink" to attack the OWS movement.

And it's completely bogus.

33 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:45:52pm

re: #32 lawhawk

What better way to impugn the OWS movement than to claim that someone attacked the WH and was involved in OWS - even though all evidence (you know - what lawyers and law enforcement look for) points to the contrary.

This is like throwing the proverbial "everything and the kitchen sink" to attack the OWS movement.

And it's completely bogus.

The best they can do is make crap up. Telling, very telling about the critics.

34 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:46:56pm

re: #32 lawhawk

What better way to impugn the OWS movement than to claim that someone attacked the WH and was involved in OWS - even though all evidence (you know - what lawyers and law enforcement look for) points to the contrary.

This is like throwing the proverbial "everything and the kitchen sink" to attack the OWS movement.

And it's completely bogus.

and they shit all over LE in the process

35 Simply Sarah  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:47:00pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

The best they can do is make crap up. Telling, very telling about the critics.

Well, it only takes one person to make it up. The rest simply need to perform the job of making themselves believe the first person.

36 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:47:37pm

Second water utility reportedly hit by hack attack

Images posted online suggest that hackers may have gained unauthorized access to computers controlling a second water treatment facility, a claim that raises additional concerns about of the security of the US's critical infrastructure.

Five computer screenshots posted early Friday purport to show the user interface used to monitor and control equipment at the Water and Sewer Department for the City of South Houston, Texas. They were posted by someone calling himself pr0f to counter comments included in a Register article posted on Thursday in which a US Department of Homeland Security spokesman responded to reports of an attack on a separate water plant by saying there was no “credible corroborated data” indicating critical infrastructure was at risk.

“I dislike, immensely, how the DHS tend to downplay how absolutely FUCKED the state of national infrastructure is,” the post stated. “I've also seen various people doubt the possibility an attack like this could be done.”

A quick look at PrOf's pastebin postings I looks like there's some anon connections. This is probably what DHS warned about last month.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:48:01pm

re: #31 reloadingisnotahobby

Look carefully inside the circle.

38 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:50:27pm

re: #37 Sergey Romanov
Not familar with it unless it's a spinning or broken Swastika...?
Forgive me...what does it mean?

39 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:51:05pm

Waste water treatment pr0fAnyone know what this stuff is?

40 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:52:02pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Looks like graphics?

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:53:34pm

re: #32 lawhawk

What better way to impugn the OWS movement than to claim that someone attacked the WH and was involved in OWS - even though all evidence (you know - what lawyers and law enforcement look for) points to the contrary.

This is like throwing the proverbial "everything and the kitchen sink" to attack the OWS movement.

And it's completely bogus.

It seems like an odd one--surely if they could write the narrative, one of the OWSers would attack a banker or a right-wing politico. It seems weird that they would try to shoehorn in a personal attack on the Socialist-In-Chief himself.

But I guess they have to twist what they can get.

42 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:54:38pm

re: #38 reloadingisnotahobby

Not familar with it unless it's a spinning or broken Swastika...?
Forgive me...what does it mean?

OK...It is a Swastika!

43 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:55:18pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

DHS was talking about how Anon allegedly might have an intent to attack the grid and power plants. Where does Anon figure in this story? I don't see a mention in prof's pastebin posting of any Anon activity associated with this case.

Here it is for everyone to see:

[Link: pastebin.com...]

44 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:55:30pm

re: #38 reloadingisnotahobby

Yeah, it's a swastika, although there's some kind of flourish around the center point.

Here's a better quality image.

Image: naribalk13.jpg

45 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:55:37pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

It seems like an odd one--surely if they could write the narrative, one of the OWSers would attack a banker or a right-wing politico. It seems weird that they would try to shoehorn in a personal attack on the Socialist-In-Chief himself.

But I guess they have to twist what they can get.

BI is probably deep in his share of corporate cronyism...it just never gets posted, or simply blown off

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:56:08pm

re: #38 reloadingisnotahobby

Image: 0013hgf5.jpg

47 Tigger2  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:56:43pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Waste water treatment pr0fAnyone know what this stuff is?

prOf is what the hacker is calling himself.

48 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:56:51pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Yeah, it's a swastika, although there's some kind of flourish around the center point.

Here's a better quality image.

Image: naribalk13.jpg

ah, so it's a Zuni bridal...terrific silversmiths

49 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:57:18pm

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Putin.

Pfft. Do I have to explain everything to you guys? He's clearly a deep-cover member of the basij or the pasdaran (Revolutionary Guards).

Have you already forgotten creeping sharia, the Zetas, the BMWs and the people with Persian tattoos being sneaked across the Mexican border? You guys need to pay more attention. //

50 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:57:19pm

re: #46 Sergey Romanov

Image: 0013hgf5.jpg

Imperial era bridle?

51 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:57:48pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

It seems like an odd one--surely if they could write the narrative, one of the OWSers would attack a banker or a right-wing politico. It seems weird that they would try to shoehorn in a personal attack on the Socialist-In-Chief himself.

But I guess they have to twist what they can get.

Almost worth it to see them piously talking about 'our president'.

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 1:58:06pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Imperial era bridle?

Heh. I actually already explained it here once. It's easy to explain, but I'll let it stew a little - have a brainstorm ;)

53 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:00:46pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov

Heh. I actually already explained it here once. It's easy to explain, but I'll let it stew a little - have a brainstorm ;)

They transplanted Hitler's brian into the horse?

54 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:01:01pm

For Sergey:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video

via

55 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:01:46pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

DHS was talking about how Anon allegedly might have an intent to attack the grid and power plants. Where does Anon figure in this story? I don't see a mention in prof's pastebin posting of any Anon activity associated with this case.

Here it is for everyone to see:

[Link: pastebin.com...]

DHS Bulletin: Anonymous Hacktivist Threat to Industrial Control Systems (ICS)

The loosely organized hacking collective known as Anonymous has recently expressed an interest in targeting industrial control systems (ICS
...
. Anonymous does have the ability to impact aspects of critical infrastructure that run on common, internet accessible systems (such as web-based applications and windows systems) by employing tactics such as denial of service. Anonymous’ increased interest may indicate intent to develop an offensive ICS capability in the future. ICS-CERT assesses that the publically available information regarding exploitation of ICS could be leveraged to reduce the amount of time to develop offensive ICS capabilities.

That's what happened in this case. they used an internet accessible system to make water pumps give false reading until the pumps failed.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:02:36pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

*eyeroll*
Every hacker belongs to the Anon until proven otherwise, it seems.

57 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:02:59pm

re: #44 lawhawk
That's interesting.....

58 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:04:30pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

They? It wouldn't take more than one person to hack like this. In fact, most hacks that aren't DDOS don't take multiple people. That's part of what makes them hard to defend against.

And you realize you're linking to a wiki-leaks style site, right? Some of that information looks like it's not supposed to be public.

Huffpo has a piece on the DHS memo if you'd rather use a less hackerrific site.

59 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:05:47pm

re: #56 Sergey Romanov

One post on /b/ suffices

to join the cyber collective


...

OOGA BOOGA!

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:06:24pm

re: #56 Sergey Romanov

So DHS warns last month that Anon is working on hacking internet based Industrial control systms. a few weeks later somebody hacks the very same system for the first time ever and you don't see a possible connection?

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:06:38pm

re: #45 albusteve

BI is probably deep in his share of corporate cronyism...it just never gets posted, or simply blown off

Assuming "BI" is Obama, I would hardly argue with you, and neither would many of the OWSistas.

However, I don't think that matches Fox's narrative at all.

Then again, consistency has never been their strongest suit.

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:06:53pm

re: #54 000G

Heh. The first one is antisemitic, but it is also over-the-top absurd, so I guess this is part of the shtick.

63 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:07:12pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov
It's a War Trophy...?
Handed down thu his family??
Well made from the photo!

64 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:07:31pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Assuming "BI" is Obama, I would hardly argue with you, and neither would many of the OWSistas.

Please!

It's Occupistas.

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:08:06pm

re: #58 Obdicut

I think it's an official site.

66 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:08:52pm

re: #59 000G

it's always been an odd set of overlapping groups.

There's Anon, everyone signing at 4chan or the other chans or various other places as 'anonymous'. They are 99% not hackers.

There's Anon, the people fucking stupid enough to download the LOIC or other DDOS tools and run them. They're not hackers, but they're willingly letting themselves be used by hackers, which is so dumb it's hard to comperehend.

There's Anon, the script kiddies and other low-level hackers who just run other shit that they don't code themselves.

There's Anon, the people who socially engineer attacks, who may or may not be actual hackers. They organize on the chans and, through messaging, point people at a target.

There's Anon, the very small percentage of people on the Chans who have actual hacker skill, and who hide behind the script kiddies and the morons using the LOIC.

I am not sure, so far, how many of the Anon members arrested belong in which group.

67 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:09:02pm

Has Fox ever corrected anything? Ever?

68 Atlas Fails  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:09:15pm

re: #3 ralphieboy

He looks like he would both be at OWS and want to kill the president.

On the other hand, these people hate Obama, why should they be concerned if somebody wants to kill him?

Well, I'm a supporter of both OWS and the President, so I don't think the two are mutually exclusive (although I am, admittedly, less liberal than most in OWS). I think Obama has tried to advance an agenda that would at least move us in the right direction, but the political atmosphere right now is just too poisonously partisan for any major legislation to pass. Even when Obama had a Democratic supermajority in Congress, his plan for public option healthcare was watered down into the "meh" bill we have now (thanks, blue dogs and other assorted Republican wannabes!)

I'm not making excuses for Obama's underwhelming and weak past 6 months or so; other presidents have had to deal with assholes from the other party and still managed to get things done. At times, he's frustrated me, and at other times, he's actually pissed me off. But it's even more frustrating when fellow Occupy supporters complain about the Democrats and Republicans being two sides of the same coin, etc. If that were true, Republicans wouldn't be throwing everything they have and the kitchen sink into ruining Obama.

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:09:23pm

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

I think it's an official site.

OK, wrong.

70 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:09:52pm

re: #67 Iwouldprefernotto

Has Fox ever corrected anything? Ever?

yes, their aim

71 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:10:03pm

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Sorry, official in what way?

72 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:11:05pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

So DHS warns last month that Anon is working on hacking internet based Industrial control systms. a few weeks later somebody hacks the very same system for the first time ever and you don't see a possible connection?

You're taking unsubstantiated claims at face value ... again. Without even a hint of objective reservation.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:11:31pm

re: #48 albusteve

ah, so it's a Zuni bridal...terrific silversmiths

Bridal or bridle? Or a bridal bridle?

Let me just say that on Zunis I don't worry about the significance of a design like that. Putin, I got deep dark suspicions of.

74 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:11:58pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

You're taking unsubstantiated claims at face value ... again. Without even a hint of objective reservation.

You are partisan for noticing!

/

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:12:13pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

They transplanted Hitler's brian into the horse?

The Bays from Brazil?

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:12:35pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

So DHS warns last month that Anon is working on hacking internet based Industrial control systms. a few weeks later somebody hacks the very same system for the first time ever and you don't see a possible connection?

Um. I do see a possible connection. I gathered from your comments you see a certain connection. If you don't, better phrase your comments, then.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:13:20pm

re: #64 000G

Please!

It's Occupistas.

OWSistas, Occupistas, Occupants, Occupiers, OWSers...

78 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:14:41pm

Anyone know who actually runs Fox Nation? What goes on at that site is just astounding, as an official division of a news network.

79 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:14:42pm

Anon to attack/hack the power grid??
Someone must be overstocked with Generators.../
..it's ok...I have mine!...
Threatening to attack the grid is a dangerous thing to do!

80 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:14:46pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Stuxnet has demonstrated the weaknesses. The cat is out of the bag, and these attacks will happen, with or without the prompting of Anon. This guy might have been inspired by something he saw on a chan, he might not. Hard to tell unless you find the dude.

Certainly Anon aren't the only people who like to hack. They're not even the only hacktivist group. They just get all the press.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

According to wired, this came from Russia.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:15:12pm

re: #67 Iwouldprefernotto

Has Fox ever corrected anything? Ever?

"Yesterday, one of our reporters described Barack Obama as 'a vile excuse for an American president'. This may have created the impression among our viewers that Fox news considers Obama an American president. We apologize for creating this false impression."

82 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:16:00pm

re: #80 Obdicut

According to wired, this came from Russia.

Makes sense, Hitler horse is an accomplished hacker.

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:16:26pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Was thrown off by this para a few weeks ago:

The hacking collective known as Anonymous has recently expressed an interest in targeting industrial control systems (ICS), according to a bulletin from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center (NCCIC).

The September 2011 “Official Use Only" bulletin, Assessment of Anonymous Threat to Control Systems, was published Monday on the website of the group, Public Intelligence.

[Link: www.hstoday.us...]

It's when I first linked to this site (NTTAWWT).

84 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:16:54pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

You're taking unsubstantiated claims at face value ... again. Without even a hint of objective reservation.

lol.
There;s the DHS memo warning of the attack. There are tons of article today about two such attacks decribed in the memo. And there the postings of the guy taking crdit for the attack.
Lemme guess this is seething about me not supporting OWS, isn't it?

85 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:17:52pm

re: #83 Sergey Romanov

Oooh. Gotcha. Public Intelligence seems to be a milder version of Wikileaks, not publishing cables but say that they've gotten thousands and thousands of takedown requests, which at least means a lot of people don't like them revealing their info. But not on the same scale as Wikileaks, from a looksee.

Heh. They have a "Bilderberg" section.

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:17:52pm

OK, nobody is even close on the swastika. Hint: where were the photos taken?

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:18:57pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

Makes sense, Hitler horse is an accomplished hacker.

How does one hack, with no fingers or toes?

88 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:19:00pm

re: #78 Charles

Well...Bert and Ernie are out!!
They only have three fingers and a thumb...
But I think I'm close...

89 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:19:09pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

lol.
There;s the DHS memo warning of the attack. There are tons of article today about two such attacks decribed in the memo. And there the postings of the guy taking crdit for the attack.
Lemme guess this is seething about me not supporting OWS, isn't it?

Oh, KT being sloppy again.
Prof's not the guy behind the attack, you didn't get it?

90 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:19:18pm

re: #80 Obdicut

Stuxnet has demonstrated the weaknesses. The cat is out of the bag, and these attacks will happen, with or without the prompting of Anon. This guy might have been inspired by something he saw on a chan, he might not. Hard to tell unless you find the dude.

Certainly Anon aren't the only people who like to hack. They're not even the only hacktivist group. They just get all the press.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

According to wired, this came from Russia.

Good article, thanks for posting. The IP in Russia but is that really an indicator of the physical location of the attackers?

91 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:19:22pm

re: #29 Charles

By the way, if you check out the comments at any right wing blog on this issue, every single one of them believes Ortega was at the OWS demonstration. Some of them think he was actually arrested there. And I'm talking about hundreds and hundreds of comments.

I was interested to see how this fake meme was spreading, and it's already everywhere. They're utterly convinced of it.

Comments are closed over at the article.

92 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:19:42pm

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

I got it ...I got it!!!
Pick me...
UTAH!!

93 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:19:50pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

No, seriously, dude, do you think Anon is every hacker in the world, or something? Is Anon the phrase for just hackers in general? It kind of loses its meaning at that point.

What exactly is the problem in saying that there's a lot of hackers out there, and ascribing this to Anon-- a very amorphous group in the first place-- is jumping the gun?

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:20:25pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Anon is not a phrase, it's a phase. //

95 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:20:30pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

lol.
There;s the DHS memo warning of the attack. There are tons of article today about two such attacks decribed in the memo. And there the postings of the guy taking crdit for the attack.
Lemme guess this is seething about me not supporting OWS, isn't it?

Um, no, this is about you're having a track record as an incredibly lazy researcher that takes which ever version of a story as absolute truth that suits your biases.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:20:33pm

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

OK, nobody is even close on the swastika. Hint: where were the photos made?

No clue. Sorry, I'm in editing hell, just popping in and out.

97 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:21:13pm

re: #93 Obdicut

No, seriously, dude, do you think Anon is every hacker in the world, or something? Is Anon the phrase for just hackers in general? It kind of loses its meaning at that point.

What exactly is the problem in saying that there's a lot of hackers out there, and ascribing this to Anon-- a very amorphous group in the first place-- is jumping the gun?

The DHS memo warned of Anon looking at just such an attack. I'm not sure if your anger should be directed at me, I'm just going by what the DHS memo warned about.

98 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:21:17pm

re: #80 Obdicut

From what this guy wrote, he hacked into the system to demonstrate that they have very serious security flaws, which I have no doubt is correct. He says he didn't even really need to "hack" anything, the exploit was so simple.

These organizations are often incredibly lax about security, and they're not going to shape up until they're forced to.

If they're connecting their systems to the Internet without proper security, I'd rather it was somebody like this guy cracking it instead of a malicious foreign power really trying to mess things up.

Not to excuse what he did, because it's completely illegal and should be. But that's not going to stop it from happening, and we need to treat this as a wake-up call about securing vital infrastructure.

99 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:21:59pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Good article, thanks for posting. The IP in Russia but is that really an indicator of the physical location of the attackers?

No, definitely not. It appears they followed the path laid out by Stuxnet, gaining control by attacking the software vendor to get credentials, and then going after the target.

Anyone who has an interest in attacking the US could have done this. It could be Anon. It might not be. The DHS isn't an Oracle, and the memo was leaked; there might be a memo out there saying North Korean hackers are trying to sabotage us too, or Russian ones, or Chinese ones. A shitload of the attacks that come at the US come from China.

100 jaunte  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:22:13pm

I wonder how many Anonymous posters actually are in the Chinese Army.

101 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:22:14pm

Wow, ok. I'll go do something else. bye

102 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:22:39pm

re: #98 Charles

Oh, I didn't see that part of the story. So this was a grey-hat hacker, demonstrating a vulnerability through actual damage?

103 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:22:55pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

How does one hack, with no fingers or toes?

One very large keyboard and patience. Hitler horse has the tenacity of a Hitler horse.

104 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:22:59pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Wow, ok. I'll go do something else. bye

Again, we've agreed the phrase is "I'm taking my balls and going home."

105 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:23:42pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

The DHS memo warned of Anon looking at just such an attack. I'm not sure if your anger should be directed at me, I'm just going by what the DHS memo warned about.

What the DHS memo did not say:

Any attack on a control system will definitely be the work of Anon, and not possibly anyone else.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:24:17pm

re: #100 jaunte

I wonder how many Anonymous posters actually are in the Chinese Army.

And if this is considered cushy duty, or if hanging out on 4chan is considered a hardship assignment that might scar or pervert them for life.

"Zhelun, once you've seen Tubgirl, you may never be the same again. A family and a normal life may be out of the question. This is what China is asking of you. Will you answer the call?"

107 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:24:59pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

How does one hack, with no fingers or toes?

trackball

108 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:25:03pm

re: #98 Charles

Securing sensitive infrastructure/information seems to fall down low on the list at many organizations. Certainly below the wants of CEO's/stockholders.

109 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:25:13pm

re: #102 Obdicut

It's from this pastebin page: [Link: pastebin.com...]

110 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:25:32pm

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

[Link: translate.google.com...]

Republic of Tuva.

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:25:50pm

re: #98 Charles

If we take his claims at face value (which we shouldn't, of course) he's one of the good guys, concerned about the holes in security. Maybe so, maybe not, but as of yet no evidence that he did sabotage anything.

The attack (and I mean, the attack which damaged the pump) was by other guys. Sloppily confusing these two different events is not the way to properly analyze them.

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:26:06pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Oh, I didn't see that part of the story. So this was a grey-hat hacker, demonstrating a vulnerability through actual damage?

What damage?

113 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:26:19pm

re: #110 lawhawk

[Link: translate.google.com...]

Republic of Tuva.

Ta da!

114 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:27:37pm

re: #109 Charles

I think he's saying after he saw the story on the hack he replicated it, not that he was the original hacker. But it's hard to tell from the language he uses.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:28:41pm

re: #114 Obdicut

I think he's saying after he saw the story on the hack he replicated it, not that he was the original hacker. But it's hard to tell from the language he uses.

It's not really hard. There is no apparent connection between the two cases.

116 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:28:47pm

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

What damage?

A water pump burned out, according to the Wired story.

If you're talking about the guy who posted the info, I'm not sure from his language but I think he might just be saying he proved the concept afterwards, I dunno.

117 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:29:00pm

Guess I missed that we were talking about a second incident now. But if there was actual damage done, that just backs up my point. This stuff is going to keep happening until the organizations behind vital utility systems start taking their responsibilities seriously before opening up their internal networks to the whole world.

118 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:29:19pm

re: #115 Sergey Romanov

It's not really hard. There is no apparent connection between the two cases.

Oh, duh. You're right. one is in illinois, the other is in Texas.

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:29:33pm

re: #116 Obdicut

A water pump burned out, according to the Wired story.

Nothing to do with the prof.

120 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:30:00pm

re: #98 Charles

From what this guy wrote, he hacked into the system to demonstrate that they have very serious security flaws, which I have no doubt is correct. He says he didn't even really need to "hack" anything, the exploit was so simple.

These organizations are often incredibly lax about security, and they're not going to shape up until they're forced to.

If they're connecting their systems to the Internet without proper security, I'd rather it was somebody like this guy cracking it instead of a malicious foreign power really trying to mess things up.

Not to excuse what he did, because it's completely illegal and should be. But that's not going to stop it from happening, and we need to treat this as a wake-up call about securing vital infrastructure.

Related-Did you happen to see my page or the Wired article about possible exploits built into hardware from China at ISP's etc?
[Link: www.wired.com...]

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:30:16pm

re: #117 Charles

BTW, my comment about sloppiness was not directed at you but at someone who ran away. Just to be cleaar.

122 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:30:37pm

re: #117 Charles

Yeah. So apparently first an attack on a system in Illinois causing actual damage. Then this dude proves the concept in Houston, which means there's a ton more vulnerability out there. According to the second, white-hat hacker-- not grey, since he didn't do any damage and didn't post the exploit itself-- it was incredibly easy to do.

So we'll probably see more of this, until people get serious about security, i.e. never.

123 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:31:34pm

re: #111 Sergey Romanov

Hey, I sloppily confused them too.

But I and my balls are still here.

124 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:31:57pm

Okay, I got a legitimate beef here I want to bitch about.

Right now I'm pissed off at law firms, financial management companies and Congress; pretty much everybody OWS is pissed off about so it's at least marginally (*ahem*) related to the thread at hand.

Yesterday morning, quite unexpectedly, I received a letter from a former employer. Way back when, they made a $2,188 contribution to a 401(k) for me that's still sitting in an account, and it's there for the taking.

Really? This isn't one of those English lotteries or Nigerian expatriate things, is it?

Huh. How about that? I can certainly use the money.

After seven years of expert financial management, that 401(k) account is now worth a staggering $2,090.

Sure, yeah, the economy has been tough. I'm firsthand proof of that.

So given all the turmoil, maybe breaking even is the best one can hope for, yes?

Except...

Here's a headline from the company's website:

PCS makes the INC. 5000 as one of the Fastest Growing Privately-held Companies in the US.


They're growing rapidly, but my account shrunk? WTF?

Here's where it gets surreal.

I worked less than 1,000 hours the year I was let go, and failed to meet the 100% vesting schedule -- as it turns out, I'm only 20% vested.

There are no platforms between 20% vested and 100% vested. One or the other. My $2,000 windfall has suddenly shrunk to about $400.

What? Uncle Sam wants his cut? Oh, right, of course. 20% withholding on a 401(k) distribution. So we're in the vicinity of $320.

Premature evacuation of a 401(k) account gets you a 10% penalty, also. Down to $280.

Suddenly, the clouds disappear and I now understand the connection between "PCS" and "Fastest Growing." Seems there's a $75 administration fee when processing one's 401(k) cashout.

$75 to cash out $280.

I might be wrong, but I'm not sure even the Mafia charges that kind of vigorish.

Now, let me be the first to stipulate that two hundred dollars is better than zero dollars. Why, given the choice, I'd take two hundred dollars practically every time.

But, damn. $75 to cash out $280.

But, man, there's something truly demented about a $2,200 account being nickled, dimed, regulated and "service fee-ed" its way to the point where it's down to two hundred dollars before I see one red cent of it.

I've got this sneaking suspicion that before everything's all said and done with, I'm going to owe them money.

125 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:32:30pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

DHS Bulletin: Anonymous Hacktivist Threat to Industrial Control Systems (ICS)

That's what happened in this case. they used an internet accessible system to make water pumps give false reading until the pumps failed.

Nice link. They also cover a lot of Mossad/CIA/EIEIO conspiracies at the link you provide.

[Laughter ensues.]

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:32:45pm

re: #123 Obdicut

I kinda feel bad about it now, in retrospect I singled him out tho more people were confused ;)

But he started it!!/

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:33:26pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Hmm.

128 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:34:46pm

re: #110 lawhawk

[Link: translate.google.com...]

Republic of Tuva.

Anybody?
Anybody?
Bueller?

/

OK, I'm tired: Putin was in Tuva, Tuva's traditional religion is Buddhism, that was an Eastern, Buddhism-related ornament.

129 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:34:58pm

re: #125 Gus 802

They do like provocative headlines for their info.

That's what I meant about it being sort of Wiki-leaks-esque.

130 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:34:58pm

re: #127 Sergey Romanov

Hmm.

Popular Science is thinking Russian hackers and not the usual "anonymous did it" bologna. This is getting rather funny and it won't be long before someone goes full circle and stars linking to Prisonplanet.

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:36:14pm

re: #130 Gus 802

Popular Science is thinking Russian hackers and not the usual "anonymous did it" bologna. This is getting rather funny and it won't be long before someone goes full circle and stars linking to Prisonplanet.

That could easily be it, from intelligence agencies testing stuff, to Nashi thugs trying to wreck some havoc, to some random hooligans.

132 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:37:26pm

re: #124 BongCrodny
..Sorry Bong...
I told the Mrs. that I'd like to take all of my 401k and buy DIRT and MORE DIRT....Because I've heard rumors they can't make any more!!

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:38:27pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Nice link. They also cover a lot of Mossad/CIA/EIEIO conspiracies at the link you provide.

[Laughter ensues.]

Yah but he waz right about the tea party!

e_e

134 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:38:32pm

re: #131 Sergey Romanov

That could easily be it, from intelligence agencies testing stuff, to Nashi thugs trying to wreck some havoc, to some random hooligans.

Could be anyone. No sense in getting ahead of ourselves. This is almost as bad as trying to guess the cause of an aircraft incident before the NTSB comes out with a full report. The notion that it was anonymous (which is still no an organized group) may or may not be true but the rapidity and insistence that it is without full knowledge is partially politically motivated. Anonymous at this point has become the George Soros of the hacking world.

135 Lidane  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:39:04pm

re: #29 Charles

I was interested to see how this fake meme was spreading, and it's already everywhere. They're utterly convinced of it.

Of course they are. It fits right into the anti-OWS meme that the wingnuts and useful idiot concern trolls have been spreading for weeks.

Didn't you know that everyone at an OWS protest is a violent, drug-addled Marxist trust fund hippie who supports rape and stabbings while carrying an anarchist flag?

///

136 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:40:10pm

re: #124 BongCrodny

I called our tax guy because my wife wanted to use some of her 401k money to add to our house down payment. Unbelievable the fees and penalties. The call dismissed that idea.

137 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:40:11pm

for Bong C...

Right now I'm pissed off at law firms, financial management companies and Congress; pretty much everybody OWS is pissed off about so it's at least marginally (*ahem*) related to the thread at hand.
...snip


I've got this sneaking suspicion that before everything's all said and done with, I'm going to owe them money.


Multiply your story by 80 million and you understand the Thing of Wonder that is privatized Social Security.

138 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:41:12pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Nice link. They also cover a lot of Mossad/CIA/EIEIO conspiracies at the link you provide.

I guess you've never heard of The Farm.

serious business.

139 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:41:47pm

re: #138 negativ

I guess you've never heard of The Farm.

Big Farm is keeping the man down!

140 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:42:11pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Well, I would say that many hackers I have known check stuff out on 4chan or one of the other chans or anonymous hangouts. So if a hacker who hangs out at 4chan sees an idea there and then does that hack, is that an Anon hacker?

The Stuxnet hack is well-known, was publicized by traditional media as well, and that is the kind of attack this is. If the hacker saw the story in Wired and then decided to go for this, does that make this a Wired hacker?

It is a pretty random choice of location.

141 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:43:38pm

re: #134 Gus 802

BTW, I don't believe that the Anon, as an organization (as amorphous as it is) would do something like that. No real reason. That said, I don't discount it completely, so I wouldn't have gotten on KT's case if I didn't read his comments as saying that yeah, the Anon certainly did it (e.g. #55). Which might have been an erroneous reading. So, probably it was a miscommunication. Which is harder to mend since the time when KT and the LGF "mainstream" have gone different ways on OWS and all this split entailed. Pity.

142 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:43:47pm

re: #140 Obdicut

Well, I would say that many hackers I have known check stuff out on 4chan or one of the other chans or anonymous hangouts. So if a hacker who hangs out at 4chan sees an idea there and then does that hack, is that an Anon hacker?

The Stuxnet hack is well-known, was publicized by traditional media as well, and that is the kind of attack this is. If the hacker saw the story in Wired and then decided to go for this, does that make this a Wired hacker?

It is a pretty random choice of location.

I would imagine they attack the weakest system so it's really just a target of opportunity.

143 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:44:51pm

re: #142 Gus 802

I would imagine they attack the weakest system so it's really just a target of opportunity.

Yeah, I'm just not hacker savvy enough to know how they probe to identify a system.

144 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:44:53pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Right now I'm pissed off at law firms, financial management companies and Congress; pretty much everybody OWS is pissed off about so it's at least marginally (*ahem*) related to the thread at hand.
...snip

I've got this sneaking suspicion that before everything's all said and done with, I'm going to owe them money.

Multiply your story by 80 million and you understand the Thing of Wonder that is privatized Social Security.

the middle class is getting soaked from every direction...I don't see how it can end good...WS and DC are joined at the hip....same interests and a gigantic pool of money to divvy up....they will burn somebody one too many times and the shit will hit the fan....OWS needs to crank up the heat on congress

145 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:45:46pm

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I don't believe that the Anon, as an organization (as amorphous as it is) would do something like that. No real reason. That said, I don't discount it completely, so I wouldn't have gotten on KT's case if I didn't read his comments as saying that yeah, the Anon certainly did it (e.g. #55). Which might have been an erroneous reading. So, probably it was a miscommunication. Which is harder to mend since KT and the LGF "mainstream" have gone different ways on OWS. Pity.

Yep. I don't know. I did come in here thinking that this was a thread about Fox Nation and the "Linked to OWS" stuff.

146 Lidane  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:46:33pm

Oh, look. Another reason why we don't need a reader as POTUS:

Cain Flubs Libya Again, Claims ‘Taliban’ Has Taken Control

9-9-9, y'all!

147 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:47:59pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Multiply your story by 80 million and you understand the Thing of Wonder that is privatized Social Security.

Oh, absolutely. I was even going to add a line about "doing wonders to reassure me that my Social Security funds in the market are well cared for," but I thought it was a bit overkill. :-)

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:48:23pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Yep. I don't know. I did come in here thinking that this was a thread about Fox Nation and the "Linked to OWS" stuff.

We wrapped that one up quick. Fox are dicks, and unbelievably agenda-driven.

Now we're on to hackers, Vladimir Putin's bridle silver, horses with Hitler's brain, and Killgore's balls.

149 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:48:54pm

re: #146 Lidane

*headdesk, headdesk, headdesk*

150 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:49:01pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

We wrapped that one up quick. Fox are dicks, and unbelievably agenda-driven.

Now we're on to hackers, Vladimir Putin's bridle silver, horses with Hitler's brain, and Killgore's balls.

Thank. I was just sitting here scratching my ovaries.

//

151 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:49:40pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist


And now, Cain seems to think that the Taliban is in Libya.

Maybe someone can draw him a map.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:49:45pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

We wrapped that one up quick. Fox are dicks, and unbelievably agenda-driven.

Now we're on to hackers, Vladimir Putin's bridle silver, horses with Hitler's brain, and Killgore's balls.

Or 'horses with Hitler's brain, and Killgore's balls', but out of respect for Killgore and horses I'm not going to pursue this line of reasoning, which just seems as though no good can come of it.

153 Lidane  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:50:03pm

Also, how soon before Fox News and the rest of the anti-OWS propaganda machine start demanding that these churches be barricaded or burned down for helping the dirty hippies?

New York Churches Shelter Occupy Protesters, Now Monitored By New York Police

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:50:20pm

re: #151 Obdicut

And now, Cain seems to think that the Taliban is in Libya.

Maybe someone can draw him a map.

They move fast.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:50:54pm

re: #151 Obdicut

And now, Cain seems to think that the Taliban is in Libya.

Maybe someone can draw him a map.

Taliban: Does not actually mean the same as 'Islamist'.

156 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:51:37pm

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I don't believe that the Anon, as an organization (as amorphous as it is) would do something like that. No real reason. That said, I don't discount it completely, so I wouldn't have gotten on KT's case if I didn't read his comments as saying that yeah, the Anon certainly did it (e.g. #55). Which might have been an erroneous reading. So, probably it was a miscommunication. Which is harder to mend since KT and the LGF "mainstream" have gone different ways on OWS. Pity.

Here. This seems like a normal article.'

[Link: www.pcmag.com...]

"This is just one of many events that occur almost on a weekly basis," he said. "While it may be nice to speculate that it was caused by a nation-state or actor, it may be the unintended consequence of maintenance."

157 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:51:41pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

They move fast.

I'd bet 90% of Talibanese have never even ridden in a car

158 Lidane  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:51:49pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Taliban: Does not actually mean the same as 'Islamist'.

Stop bringing up facts. You're harshing Herman Cain's mellow.

///

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:51:55pm

re: #145 Gus 802

It's not like this place is that Anon-friendly, really. Brown was ran off because of that (OK, mainly because for being an ass, but because of that too).

But sheesh. For me, the unfair approach and sloppy methodology is unacceptable (at least when I'm not overly blinded by bias myself, which happens, I admit) towards any group. I'm not an Anon or OWS supporter, yet KT's obnoxious way of "analysis" pushes me in "their direction" by way of defense (not really, but you get the point).

160 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:52:34pm

re: #144 albusteve

the middle class is getting soaked from every direction...I don't see how it can end good...WS and DC are joined at the hip...same interests and a gigantic pool of money to divvy up...they will burn somebody one too many times and the shit will hit the fan...OWS needs to crank up the heat on congress

Don't quite know what the SHTF trigger would be, but I don't think we're wired now to take misery like that of the Great Depression. Not enough of us are on farms, for instance, and that's not even addressing the mental resilience of the MTV generation.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:53:11pm

re: #157 albusteve

I'd bet 90% of Talibanese have never even ridden in a car

You say that as though that's going to stop them from...er...tunneling?...into Libya.

162 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:53:35pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Taliban: Does not actually mean the same as 'Islamist'.

taliban means students...of extreme Islamism

163 darthstar  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:54:01pm
Youtube Video

We've got to get an envelope!

164 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:54:16pm

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

It's not like this place is that Anon-friendly, really. Brown was ran off because of that (OK, mainly because for being an ass, but because of that too).

But sheesh. For me, the unfair approach and sloppy methodology is unacceptable (at least when I'm not myself overly blinded by bias, which happens, I admit) towards any group. I'm not an Anon or OWS supporter, yet KT's obnoxious way of "analysis" pushes me in "their direction" by way of defense (not really, but you get the point).

Yep. I guess right now if anything happens the likely perpetrators are either a) Muslims; b) anonymous; or c) OWS or hippies.

//

165 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:54:59pm

Today's obligatory cute kitteh!

166 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:55:29pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

You say that as though that's going to stop them from...er...tunneling?...into Libya.

flying donkeys

167 Lidane  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:56:09pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Yep. I guess right now if anything happens the likely perpetrators are either a) Muslims; b) anonymous; or c) OWS or hippies.

//

Or worse, Muslim hippies that go to OWS protests in Guy Fawkes masks.

///

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:56:10pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Don't quite know what the SHTF trigger would be, but I don't think we're wired now to take the kind of misery like that of the Great Depression. Not enough of us are on farms, for instance, and that's not even addressing the mental resilience of the MTV generation.

What, you're suggesting that we won't do well at starving to death and drifting the roads looking for work?

//Cracked had a 'child stars in later life' contest--stuff like the little boy from E.T. doing dirtbike jumps in front of the moon. One of them was a Depression-era photo, a couple and their kids sitting out front of their house, with that Depression expression--and the woman is wearing the ruby slippers.

I actually teared up a little, which may not have been the idea they were going for.

I had to stop watching "Carnivale", partly because the mystery kept getting deeper, and the characters were palling, but also because the Depression backdrop was just depressing the hell out of me.

169 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:56:20pm

re: #164 Gus 802

And when there is pushback, it's because the person behind the pushback is an apologist, or a supporter. Never because the original critique is wrong or unfair.

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:57:50pm

re: #162 albusteve

taliban means students...of extreme Islamism

That's true. And 'pope' mean 'father', but my father is still not the Pope.

171 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:58:11pm

re: #98 Charles

Free Weev!

172 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:58:31pm

Read this:

@CWLP_ CWLP
Promise it's not us. Various reports have falsely identified CWLP as having experienced a cyber security breach.... [Link: fb.me...]

@CWLP_ CWLP
No they didn't attack us. Nor did they apparently attack a near-Springfield entity. "The DHS (Department of... fb.me/1kTtfgOTy

CWLP
@CWLP_ Springfield, Illinois
The municipal electric and water utility of Springfield, Illinois, City Water, Light & Power. Tweets courtesy of CWLP Public Information Office.

and:

Gap in the story

Amber Sabin is the public information officer for City Water, Light & Power (CWLP), the municipal electric and water utility for Springfield, Ill. Responding to a call identifying CWLP as the site of the failed pump and possible cyberattack, Sabin told SecurityNewsDaily that media reports have wrongly identified her agency.

"We were not under cyberattack," Sabin told SecurityNewsDaily. "We've been identified as the utility by mistake. It's not City Water, Light and Power."

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:58:33pm

re: #167 Lidane

Or worse, Muslim hippies that go to OWS protests in Guy Fawkes masks.

///

You know, there's probably enough of those out there to fill a coffeeshop or two.

174 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:58:42pm

re: #151 Obdicut

And now, Cain seems to think that the Taliban is in Libya.

Maybe someone can draw him a map.

Has he been paying attention at all these past ten years? Seriously, I've never seen a candidate so ignorant on foreign policy before.

175 Lidane  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:58:50pm

ZOMG! It's worse than Watergate! Eleventy!

More Friday comedy from Michele Bachmann:

Bachmann: Solyndra ‘Makes Watergate Looks Like Child’s Play’

I wish these idiots would make up their mind. Either Obama is the most incompetent, ignorant man to ever be POTUS, or he's a criminal mastermind that makes Nixon look like a choirboy. Pick a direction already. WTF.

176 JAFO  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:59:00pm

Bachmann: Solyndra 'makes Watergate look like child’s play'


She makes me chuckle.

177 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:59:06pm

re: #150 Gus 802

Thank. I was just sitting here scratching my ovaries.

//

TMI!

178 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:59:34pm

So there's only one water utility in Springfield, IL. They said they didn't come under "attack". Already this story is falling apart fast.

179 JAFO  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:59:36pm

10 seconds

180 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:00:16pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

What, you're suggesting that we won't do well at starving to death and drifting the roads looking for work?

//Cracked had a 'child stars in later life' contest--stuff like the little boy from E.T. doing dirtbike jumps in front of the moon. One of them was a Depression-era photo, a couple and their kids sitting out front of their house, with that Depression expression--and the woman is wearing the ruby slippers.

I actually teared up a little, which may not have been the idea they were going for.

I had to stop watching "Carnivale", partly because the mystery kept getting deeper, and the characters were palling, but also because the Depression backdrop was just depressing the hell out of me.

Slate or some site recently posted a gallery of 'updated' WPA photos. New people, same settings and clothing.

181 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:00:48pm

re: #175 Lidane

More Friday comedy from Michele Bachmann:

Bachmann: Solyndra ‘Makes Watergate Looks Like Child’s Play’

I wish these idiots would make up their mind. Either Obama is the most incompetent, ignorant man to ever be POTUS, or he's a criminal mastermind that makes Nixon look like a choirboy. Pick a direction already. WTF.

Kind of like the Marxist and Muslim stuff given Marxism's antipathy of religion.

182 albusteve  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:00:56pm

re: #176 mracb

Bachmann: Solyndra 'makes Watergate look like child’s play'

She makes me chuckle.

Solyndra makes the DofE look like butt kissing morons

183 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:02:51pm

re: #172 Gus 802

Read this:

@CWLP_ CWLP
Promise it's not us. Various reports have falsely identified CWLP as having experienced a cyber security breach... [Link: fb.me...]

@CWLP_ CWLP
No they didn't attack us. Nor did they apparently attack a near-Springfield entity. "The DHS (Department of... fb.me/1kTtfgOTy

CWLP
@CWLP_ Springfield, Illinois
The municipal electric and water utility of Springfield, Illinois, City Water, Light & Power. Tweets courtesy of CWLP Public Information Office.

and:

Gap in the story

Amber Sabin is the public information officer for City Water, Light & Power (CWLP), the municipal electric and water utility for Springfield, Ill. Responding to a call identifying CWLP as the site of the failed pump and possible cyberattack, Sabin told SecurityNewsDaily that media reports have wrongly identified her agency.

"We were not under cyberattack," Sabin told SecurityNewsDaily. "We've been identified as the utility by mistake. It's not City Water, Light and Power."

Don't tell me Anon mistakenly shut down the espresso pump at Starbucks.

184 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:03:03pm

re: #177 ggt

TMI!

Here. Read this and then you'll get the joke.

185 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:03:53pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Don't tell me Anon mistakenly shut down the espresso pump at Starbucks.

Something. According to the only Springfield, IL water department this story is bullshit.

186 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:04:51pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Something. According to the only Springfield, IL water department this story is bullshit.

And on Facebook:

City Water, Light and Power (CWLP)
Promise it's not us. Various reports have falsely identified CWLP as having experienced a cyber security breach. We have not had any breach of our Water or Electric Department Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) systems. SCADA is the computer control network that operates various systems at the utility.

187 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:05:45pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Something. According to the only Springfield, IL water department this story is bullshit.

Well, DHS said:

“DHS and the FBI are gathering facts surrounding the report of a water pump failure in Springfield, Illinois,” according to a statement released by DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard. “At this time there is no credible corroborated data that indicates a risk to critical infrastructure entities or a threat to public safety.”

So yeah, they were just investigating reports.

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:06:24pm

re: #54 000G

OK, they're both over-the-top absurd _and_ the neo-Nazis. go to rockhell.ru/index.php?showtopic=5906 (be warned - very graphic images).

189 Gus  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:07:17pm

re: #187 Obdicut

Well, DHS said:

So yeah, they were just investigating reports.

Then it was just a water pump failure or as noted in #156, "it may be nice to speculate that it was caused by a nation-state or actor, it may be the unintended consequence of maintenance."

190 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:11:50pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Don't tell me Anon mistakenly shut down the espresso pump at Starbucks.

THE HORROR!

191 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:12:50pm

Attention Geeks: Those of you interested in keeping up with hacks might find this Web Hacking Incident Database (WHID) useful. The incident at the Illinois Water Utility isn't listed, and it may never be since it doesn't sound like the hack was a breach of application security, but still...interesting stuff.

Form the maintainers, the Web Application Security Consortium:

Project Overview

The Web Hacking Incident Database, or WHID for short, is a Web Application Security Consortium project dedicated to maintaining a list of web applications related security incidents. WHID's goal is to serve as a tool for raising awareness of the web application security problem and provide information for statistical analysis of web applications security incidents. WHID has been featured in Information Week and slash dot.

192 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:14:05pm

re: #171 000G

Free Weev!

I met that guy. He showed up at one of my gigs in NYC.

193 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:24:47pm

re: #188 Sergey Romanov

OK, they're both over-the-top absurd _and_ the neo-Nazis. go to rockhell.ru/index.php?showtopic=5906 (be warned - very graphic images).

Russian Neonazis are absurd by default.

194 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:25:54pm

re: #193 000G

Russian Neonazis are absurd by default.

Not really, considering the sheer numbers of WWII ex-Soviet Nazi collaborators.

195 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:26:02pm

re: #192 makeitstop

I met that guy. He showed up at one of my gigs in NYC.

Know him from one of the 7SD shows in NYC.

196 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:26:48pm

re: #194 Sergey Romanov

Not really, considering the sheer numbers of WWII ex-Soviet Nazi collaborators.

The collaborators were also absurd.

Maybe excluding the German-Russians.

197 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:32:52pm

re: #196 000G

Not as absurd as these guys. ;)
Despite them being scum, these songs are really funny.

198 William of Orange  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:44:08pm

In all fairness....

He hasn't shaved for a long time so he must be connected to #OWS.

:-)

199 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:07:50pm

re: #124 BongCrodny

It's like the Abbott & Costello money counting routine where A counts out the money he owes C, but deliberately fouls up the counting so C gets a lot less than he deserves.

My ex-bank once charged me an "inactivity fee" that overdrew my little-used account by $10. In order to close the account, I had to pay the frakkin' bank $10 plus an overdraft charge. So, I feel your pain.

200 labman57  Sun, Nov 20, 2011 1:29:57pm

Drawing conclusions from evidence-free, fact-deficient, highly speculative suppositions and reporting them as "news" is a FOX PAC specialty.


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