Friday Afternoon Shred: Andy Timmons, Redemption
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I just have one thing to say about this performance, a warning: the lick at 1:37 may cause face-melting.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:35:05pm |
oh man thanks...his Beatles thing is outstanding
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:39:29pm |
More than anyone should ever need to know about financial warrants.
Seems there is no end to the way derivatives are used.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:39:29pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:39:58pm |
Andy's Sgt. Pepper album is incredible. The whole thing is just three instruments, bass, drums, guitar, and no overdubs, and he does every song on the Beatles album, with all the parts you're used to hearing. Amazing.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:40:23pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:40:37pm |
Oh yay, a new page by Øyvind Strømmen:
The 'Stalinist' Who Came In From The Cold
The Bizarro Fjordman speaks out.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:43:07pm |
re: #7 Charles
Andy's Sgt. Pepper album is incredible. The whole thing is just three instruments, bass, drums, guitar, and no overdubs, and he does every song on the album, with all the parts you're used to hearing. Amazing.
here's an out take
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:44:35pm |
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austin_blue Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:47:19pm |
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prairiefire Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:48:31pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:49:14pm |
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:51:09pm |
Andy Timmons covers Hendrix on a flat top
Angel
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:52:54pm |
re: #8 ggt
And you are excited about this?
This is going to be the GOOD one--god and gays in Iowa, with Family Form as sponsor..
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:55:56pm |
re: #17 Decatur Deb
This is going to be the GOOD one--god and gays in Iowa, with Family Form as sponsor..
my respect for you just crashed....
jus kidding
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:57:32pm |
re: #17 Decatur Deb
This is going to be the GOOD one--god and gays in Iowa, with Family Form as sponsor..
Good and GOP Debate just don't go together in 2011.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:59:34pm |
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:05:10pm |
re: #17 Decatur Deb
This is going to be the GOOD one--god and gays in Iowa, with Family Form as sponsor..
Romney and Huntsman are sitting this one out, quelle surprise.
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EdDantes Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:05:27pm |
re: #7 Charles
Drums, bass, guitar is all you need. Think Cream.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:06:34pm |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:06:56pm |
re: #22 goddamnedfrank
Romney and Huntsman are sitting this one out, quelle surprise.
Yeah--it's even being held in a church:
Thanksgiving Family Forum
5pm ET – Video streamed on CitizenLink.com or listen on the Bott Radio Network
Location: First Federated Church in Des Moines, Iowa
Sponsor: The Family Leader
Participants: Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Paul, Perry, Santorum
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:07:43pm |
re: #23 EdDantes
Drums, bass, guitar is all you need. Think Cream.
I do, all the time...
think James Gang
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:08:33pm |
re: #24 albusteve
I'm just the political dog most are here...they can drop their pants, I don't care
Think you dropped a "not"--pencil still active.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:09:26pm |
re: #25 Decatur Deb
Yeah--it's even being held in a church:
Thanksgiving Family Forum
5pm ET – Video streamed on CitizenLink.com or listen on the Bott Radio Network
Location: First Federated Church in Des Moines, Iowa
Sponsor: The Family Leader
Participants: Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Paul, Perry, Santorum
so in the end, there are 2k posts regarding GOP stupidity....
a few is enough for me...watching people self immolate is not my gig, unless it's the evil Eagles
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:10:21pm |
What is the point of a debate without Romney there?
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:10:23pm |
re: #27 Decatur Deb
Think you dropped a "not"--pencil still active.
right...my keys are so worn out, I'm not sure what comes out
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makeitstop Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:12:14pm |
re: #29 EmmmieG
What is the point of a debate without Romney there?
Did he get not invited due to being a cult member?
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:13:02pm |
re: #31 makeitstop
Did he get not invited due to being a cult member?
/
I am eyeballing that it is Romney and Huntsman both.
Also, there is the question of who's hosting it. If it's someone traditionally hostile to Mormons, they might choose to sit it out rather than walked into a stacked game.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:13:16pm |
another glorious, mind bending sunset in north NM...proof indeed, there is a Ra
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:13:42pm |
re: #28 albusteve
so in the end, there are 2k posts regarding GOP stupidity...
a few is enough for me...watching people self immolate is not my gig, unless it's the evil Eagles
I think of the TPGOP as the Dallas Cowboys of the politico world, and I'm a Steelers fan.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:14:26pm |
re: #32 EmmmieG
I am eyeballing that it is Romney and Huntsman both.
Also, there is the question of who's hosting it. If it's someone traditionally hostile to Mormons, they might choose to sit it out rather than walked into a stacked game.
"Family Forum", in a church.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:14:54pm |
re: #34 Decatur Deb
I think of the TPGOP as the Dallas Cowboys of the politico world, and I'm a Steelers fan.
you suck
X2
I hate the Steelers
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:22:43pm |
re: #32 EmmmieG
I am eyeballing that it is Romney and Huntsman both.
Also, there is the question of who's hosting it. If it's someone traditionally hostile to Mormons, they might choose to sit it out rather than walked into a stacked game.
If Governor Romney really opposed abortion he'd be here listening to us call his religion a cult!
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:25:20pm |
damn, you people are deep in...like a soap opera without commercials....
so who said what today?
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:28:50pm |
Another GOP investigation totally fails to find voter fraud:
GOP New Mexico Sec of State Finds Tiny Fraction Of The Voter Fraud She Alleged
New Mexico Secretary of State Dianna Duran said earlier this year that her state had a “culture of corruption” and referred 64,000 voter registration records to police that she thought were possible cases of voter fraud. Now a new report from her office proves she was completely right, 0.0296875 percent of the time.
Duran’s interim report now alleges that 104 voters — about one for every 10,577 on the rolls — were illegally registered to vote. Of that group, just 19 — or approximately one for every 57,894 registered voters — actually allegedly cast a ballot they shouldn’t have.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:29:06pm |
re: #35 Decatur Deb
"Family Forum", in a church.
The group sponsoring it is openly affiliated with Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, one of which has recently been openly hostile to the LDS church and Romney, and the other of which runs hot and cold.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:32:35pm |
re: #41 Cannadian Club Akbar
Evening Honcos.
Hey CC--catch my #123 on the Cain thread for an update on our meth-cooker.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:32:58pm |
re: #39 Obdicut
Another GOP investigation totally fails to find voter fraud:
GOP New Mexico Sec of State Finds Tiny Fraction Of The Voter Fraud She Alleged
bluster is part of NM heritage...why do you think the Union wanted no part of us?...every elected official is gonna clean up!...heh, we are so lawless and corrupt we still have Billy the Kid sightings....talk about the bastard child, we are it...nobody knows what the fuck is going on down here...I love it
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:34:36pm |
re: #43 albusteve
bluster is part of NM heritage...why do you think the Union wanted no part of us?...every elected official is gonna clean up!...heh, we are so lawless and corrupt we still have Billy the Kid sightings...talk about the bastard child, we are it...nobody knows what the fuck is going on down here...I love it
Would you like us to ship you a spare meth-head?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:35:25pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Hey CC--catch my #123 on the Cain thread for an update on our meth-cooker.
We have a meth cooker? Who authorized that purchase?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:35:29pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Hey CC--catch my #123 on the Cain thread for an update on our meth-cooker.
For the love of Pete.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:36:27pm |
re: #45 EmmmieG
We have a meth cooker? Who authorized that purchase?
A meth cooker does no good without a meth chef. Just sayin'.
/
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:36:43pm |
re: #44 Decatur Deb
Would you like us to ship you a spare meth-head?
no, our exports are doing really well right now, a commercial balance that rivals the ancient sheep racket...thanks
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:36:59pm |
re: #43 albusteve
It's not just New Mexico, though. All over the US, the GOP is makes shameful, contemptible attempts to suppress voter turnout and to disenfranchise minorities, students, and other groups that vote primarily Democratic, while piously pretending that there's a problem with voter fraud that is a complete fucking fabrication.
Paged it, anyway.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:37:56pm |
re: #49 Obdicut
It's not just New Mexico, though. All over the US, the GOP is makes shameful, contemptible attempts to suppress voter turnout and to disenfranchise minorities, students, and other groups that vote primarily Democratic, while piously pretending that there's a problem with voter fraud that is a complete fucking fabrication.
Paged it, anyway.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I've seen the students crap first hand.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:38:04pm |
re: #49 Obdicut
It's not just New Mexico, though. All over the US, the GOP is makes shameful, contemptible attempts to suppress voter turnout and to disenfranchise minorities, students, and other groups that vote primarily Democratic, while piously pretending that there's a problem with voter fraud that is a complete fucking fabrication.
Paged it, anyway.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
maybe I stretched it...it's Friday
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:40:46pm |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hey, check your email. You've been hacked by an electronics seller.
Happened to me.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:41:33pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:41:52pm |
re: #51 albusteve
I'm sure the corruption of New Mexico makes for interesting twists on new standards. Maybe they ought to dig up Billy the Kid and have him run for office. And his horse can run too.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:43:05pm |
re: #53 albusteve
are you a New Mexican?
I was talking about Obdi's reference to Republicans trying to suppress students voting in general, Steve. They fought hard an attempt to get a precinct on campus. The powers that be here in this state going back to the Byrd Organization years have always wanted as low turn out as possible for those who don't share their values. Ah I see what I did now, I quoted the wrong thing. But my point stands.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:45:11pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
Hey, check your email. You've been hacked by an electronics seller.
Happened to me.
My friend just stopped b and I told him I got 8 spams along the same lines. Fuckers!!!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:46:05pm |
‘Supercommittee’ at impasse as deadline approachesClusterfuck continues. I wouldn't be surprised if they fail the deadline and then someone find a loophole to avoid the automatic triggers. Nothing's going to happen for quite a while.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:46:24pm |
re: #54 Obdicut
I'm sure the corruption of New Mexico makes for interesting twists on new standards. Maybe they ought to dig up Billy the Kid and have him run for office. And his horse can run too.
can't find him....his original grave at Ft Sumner was washed away in a flood, so now he rests in 4 different places....they say
but we do have a very colorful history down here, politics certainly not excluded...just a generation ago, people claimed to know the Kid, or saw him, that sort of thing...he's still a hero down here and believe me, these goofs take that stuff seriously....time moves real slow across the NM mesas
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:46:26pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
Hey, check your email. You've been hacked by an electronics seller.
Happened to me.
Actually, email saying I sent shit out. Funny, I've got nothing left to sell. BAH!!!
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:47:36pm |
re: #57 Killgore Trout
The GOP is making no attempt to realistically raise any new tax revenue. Their latest offer was $200 spending cuts to $1 of taxes.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:48:36pm |
re: #55 HappyWarrior
I was talking about Obdi's reference to Republicans trying to suppress students voting in general, Steve. They fought hard an attempt to get a precinct on campus. The powers that be here in this state going back to the Byrd Organization years have always wanted as low turn out as possible for those who don't share their values. Ah I see what I did now, I quoted the wrong thing. But my point stands.
just wondered where you lived...no more than that...
wrenchwench lives here someplace up north and spacejesus lives here in ABQ
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:48:44pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
The GOP is making no attempt to realistically raise any new tax revenue. Their latest offer was $200 spending cuts to $1 of taxes.
Well when you care more about Grover Norquist's pledge than you know serving the American people this tends to happen.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:50:12pm |
re: #61 albusteve
just wondered where you lived...no more than that...
wrenchwench lives here someplace up north and spacejesus lives here in ABQ
Oh ok. I'm looking forward to visiting NM this winter actually since it's such a radical departure from the east I've known whole life.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:50:13pm |
Outrageous right wing propagana!
Hacker Group Attacks Cop, Claims Solidarity With Occupy Wall Street
Hackers affiliated with the groups Antisec and Anonymous said Friday that they were releasing over 38,000 private emails belonging to Fred Baclagan, a former Special Agent Supervisor of the California Department of Justice who oversaw computer crime investigations.
In a notice published on Pastebin.com, they wrote that they had hijacked two of the investigator's gmail accounts. The released emails include "detailed computer forensics techniques, investigation protocols as well as highly embarrassing personal information," they said in the release.
...
"The information in these emails will prove essential to those who want to protect themselves from the techniques and procedures cyber crime investigators use to build cases."Unlike earlier hacks by the group, this one comes at a time when talk of police brutality and abuse is happening all over the Internet. In its notice, the group drew on the rhetoric of Occupy Wall Street: "You want to keep mass arresting and brutalizing the 99%? We'll have to keep owning your boxes and torrenting your mail spools, plastering your personal information all over teh [sic] internets."
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:51:22pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
The GOP is making no attempt to realistically raise any new tax revenue. Their latest offer was $200 spending cuts to $1 of taxes.
I haven't even been following the negotiations. There's probably not much chance of anything constructive happening.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:53:09pm |
re: #12 austin_blue
And 2:10, 3:02.
Have mercy. That boy is as good as local slinger Eric Johnson:
[Video]
That dude is a beast. One of my all time faves.
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Obdicut Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:53:31pm |
re: #62 HappyWarrior
Well when you care more about Grover Norquist's pledge than you know serving the American people this tends to happen.
The thing is, the pathetic thing is, they're still violating their damn pledge by offering that $1. So Norquist would still be mad at them for being naughty. They're just not making any real offers.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:53:37pm |
re: #63 HappyWarrior
Oh ok. I'm looking forward to visiting NM this winter actually since it's such a radical departure from the east I've known whole life.
you can here a pin drop out here from 100mi away...we are like, out of it and that's exactly why it appeals to me...metro ABQ is over 600k people now, but thirty minutes out of town is wilderness...easteners freak out at the desolation
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:56:19pm |
re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, email saying I sent shit out. Funny, I've got nothing left to sell. BAH!!!
Gotta get your password back. Or just fuck it, start anew. I'm dying under my 5 email accounts. They are all on my phone. It's a joke. I barely see any important ones because all the bullshit ones are mixed in. I'm over it!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:56:31pm |
LOL, judicial smackdown:
The court said Brewer failed to demonstrate that Colleen Mathis had engaged in conduct that gave the Republican governor constitutional grounds for removal.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:56:53pm |
re: #68 albusteve
you can here a pin drop out here from 100mi away...we are like, out of it and that's exactly why it appeals to me...metro ABQ is over 600k people now, but thirty minutes out of town is wilderness...easteners freak out at the desolation
Yeah, we're used to still being in fairly urban areas outside cities.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:56:56pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
I haven't even been following the negotiations. There's probably not much chance of anything constructive happening.
the headlines are not pretty, other than that I'm not following...what's the point? just pisses me of...we can't do jack shit in this country...between the rad GOP and stupid big govt libs, we're fucked...the latest headline is just another headline unless one lives and breaths every word...I don't
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 4:57:39pm |
re: #67 Obdicut
The thing is, the pathetic thing is, they're still violating their damn pledge by offering that $1. So Norquist would still be mad at them for being naughty. They're just not making any real offers.
Yeah, I know. It's madness.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:03:23pm |
re: #69 Stanley Sea
Gotta get your password back. Or just fuck it, start anew. I'm dying under my 5 email accounts. They are all on my phone. It's a joke. I barely see any important ones because all the bullshit ones are mixed in. I'm over it!
I dont' WTF was going on. I have 4 emails. I will change shit tomorrow. Brb. Thank you, Stanley.:)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:06:32pm |
FORWARRRD
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:08:36pm |
brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrb. Fuck!!! brbbrbrbrb.Fuck!!
I know Steve hates this!!
///
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darthstar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:11:14pm |
re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar
brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrb. Fuck!!! brbbrbrbrb.Fuck!!
I know Steve hates this!!
///
On the internet, nobody cares if you'll brb.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:11:41pm |
It's a spooky evening up at Mt Wilson.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:15:45pm |
re: #78 Rightwingconspirator
It's a spooky evening up at Mt Wilson.
The fog while driving to work yesterday was treacherous. If a bicyclist was on the road I did not see him. Nor, barely the car in front of me. Crazy. Especially when you are not prime, i.e. barely awake.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:18:30pm |
re: #77 darthstar
Was it you that shared the graphic, "having a job is the new raise" I've been looking for it. Apparently our company for the first time evah is having the Christmas party in the office. People are shitting. I need to send out an all users email.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:20:38pm |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
Oh crap the cam just quit. Here is what I saw. I wish I was up there to record it. You can not be too careful in fog. At Wilson it tends to blow through moving fast.
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darthstar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:23:02pm |
re: #80 Stanley Sea
Was it you that shared the graphic, "having a job is the new raise" I've been looking for it. Apparently our company for the first time evah is having the Christmas party in the office. People are shitting. I need to send out an all users email.
Nope, but I found it.
Image: KnowHR-Having-a-Job-Is-the-New-Raise.png
There once was a time people looked forward to office xmas parties. Now it's just an excuse to bitch and come up with reasons why you're "too good" to be seen with your workmates. I wish people weren't such assholes about these things. It's just a party...go have fun or shut the fuck up about it.
Good luck with the global email. I'm trying to survive through the end of the year so I can get a piece of the bonus at our company (I've been told I'm a marked man by several...makes me all the more enthusiastic about going to work every day)...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:28:48pm |
re: #82 darthstar
Thanks. Well in the old days the office party guaranteed raging. Lots of liquor and a nice space. Now I guess there's this liability issue.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:29:39pm |
Drive-by comment - The Best Animated GIF Ever! (Warning: kinda gruesome)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:31:23pm |
Social Conformity
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:39:50pm |
re: #82 darthstar
Nope, but I found it.
Image: KnowHR-Having-a-Job-Is-the-New-Raise.png
There once was a time people looked forward to office xmas parties. Now it's just an excuse to bitch and come up with reasons why you're "too good" to be seen with your workmates. I wish people weren't such assholes about these things. It's just a party...go have fun or shut the fuck up about it.
Good luck with the global email. I'm trying to survive through the end of the year so I can get a piece of the bonus at our company (I've been told I'm a marked man by several...makes me all the more enthusiastic about going to work every day)...
I used to work for a company that had great holiday parties.
It was about the only thing I liked about the insurance business. There would be masses of great food, and all the brokers would get drunk and talk about things other brokers had done in the past while drunk. (This is the origin of the story about the guy who parked his complimentary Cadillac between two other cars so tightly that the mirror came off, while drunk and too cheap to pay for parking.)
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:42:00pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:44:18pm |
A toe-tappin' little ditty that probably isn't actually about Sarah Palin nor any fluids attendant thereto. NSFW unless you work in a weird place.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:45:07pm |
It's the season when every politician and special interest group in America decides it would be a good idea to add me to their mailing list WITHOUT ASKING.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:45:35pm |
re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
I used to work for a company that had great holiday parties.
It was about the only thing I liked about the insurance business. There would be masses of great food, and all the brokers would get drunk and talk about things other brokers had done in the past while drunk. (This is the origin of the story about the guy who parked his complimentary Cadillac between two other cars so tightly that the mirror came off, while drunk and too cheap to pay for parking.)
lol, my memories of the wildest in the office Christmas parties were insurance too! Oh they were great. And yes, pot luck. Although the company bought the booze. Priorities.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:48:47pm |
re: #90 Charles
It's the season when every politician and special interest group in America decides it would be a good idea to add me to their mailing list WITHOUT ASKING.
then stop being so INFLUENTIAL!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:49:56pm |
Heard on KPBS on the way home. NCAA is investigating Penn State.
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albusteve Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:57:03pm |
re: #93 Stanley Sea
Heard on KPBS on the way home. NCAA is investigating Penn State.
so is the FBI, the CIA, NASA, and every other acronym
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:57:24pm |
Perhaps a too accurate parody of our society:
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 18, 2011 5:59:26pm |
One more Andy Timmons?
Beautiful And Strange
What is that thing he is holding instead of a pick in the first minute or so?
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Bear Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:00:02pm |
If anyone is interested in the Reno fire and does not have TV, The Reno paper has some coverage. [Link: www.rgj.com...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:03:54pm |
re: #95 freetoken
Perhaps a too accurate parody of our society:
[Link: FunnyOrDie.com...]
The whole video is funny stuff.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:06:24pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:07:36pm |
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:08:17pm |
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EdDantes Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:09:32pm |
re: #107 freetoken
Farnsworth is over rated. Scanning and stuff.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:10:31pm |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
super glue? wtf
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:13:20pm |
re: #109 Stanley Sea
super glue? wtf
I didn't know that the company who makes pasties (I met a guy one time who sold pasties for a living) also made wedding dresses.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:13:48pm |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wanna marry a girl, just like the girl who married dear old Dad.
See, those Mesolithic figurines were realistic, not symbolic after all.
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jaunte Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:14:18pm |
Word is getting out:
In a speech before the U.S. Council for International Business yesterday, Dow Chemical CEO Andrew Liveris joined the tax-me-more crowd, saying, “I can tell you the highest taxpayers, including me, should be paying more“:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:15:50pm |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wanna marry a girl, just like the girl who married dear old Dad.
The reason the human race hasn't split into geniuses and grunts is that smarts can make you rich, but the rich breed for boob.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:17:34pm |
The eighties.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:19:01pm |
re: #112 jaunte
Word is getting out:
It is totally getting out. There was a story on Marketplace on NPR today about how OWS really has changed the dialogue. It's the #1 news story.
Bottom line: the negative push back to OWS equals fear, and I don't think it's working, except for those folks who love to be brainwashed. Otherwise, the companies are running scared.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:19:48pm |
re: #113 Decatur Deb
The reason the human race hasn't split into geniuses and grunts is that smarts can make you rich, but the rich breed for boob.
Looking at my rack, and wondering why we didn't get a rich man...
Oh wait, you guys are still here? Listening as I type? Nevermind.
Isn't the fake-boob industry undermining that anyway?
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Atlas Fails Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:19:57pm |
A sad new development in the Penn State saga:
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:20:35pm |
re: #43 albusteve
bluster is part of NM heritage...why do you think the Union wanted no part of us?...every elected official is gonna clean up!...heh, we are so lawless and corrupt we still have Billy the Kid sightings...talk about the bastard child, we are it...nobody knows what the fuck is going on down here...I love it
sounds like most states, at least the nobody knows what the fuck is happening part
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Atlas Fails Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:21:33pm |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:22:01pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
Looking at my rack, and wondering why we didn't get a rich man...
Oh wait, you guys are still here? Listening as I type? Nevermind.
Isn't the fake-boob industry undermining that anyway?
MIL told my wife, when were engaged, "It's just as easy to love a rich man, but you never listen to a word I say".
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:23:59pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
Looking at my rack, and wondering why we didn't get a rich man...
Oh wait, you guys are still here? Listening as I type? Nevermind.
Isn't the fake-boob industry undermining that anyway?
I've heard....they aint soft. Look good, not soft.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:26:38pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
The GOP is making no attempt to realistically raise any new tax revenue. Their latest offer was $200 spending cuts to $1 of taxes.
It was probably doomed to failure from the start. The members from each party chosen for the supercommitttee are hardly close to the center, especially the Republicans (who no longer really have much of a center anyway). And the two parties are as polarized as they've been in a century, if not longer. Virtually no ideological overlap between Dems and GOPers.
When you take tax hikes and military spending off the table, your toolbox for fixing massive deficits is basically empty.
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EdDantes Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:27:42pm |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
I was talking to my ex on the phone the other day and she said, " When I die I want to be reincarnated."
I said," You know, if you are reincarnated you might come back as a different animal."
She said, " OK. I wanna come back as a pig."
I said," You're not listening to me."
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:30:38pm |
re: #125 EdDantes
I was talking to my ex on the phone the other day and she said, " When I die I want to be reincarnated."
I said," You know, if you are reincarnated you might come back as a different animal."
She said, " OK. I wanna come back as a pig."
I said," You're not listening to me."
Be nice, or get a new number.
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prairiefire Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:30:54pm |
re: #123 Stanley Sea
I've heard...they aint soft. Look good, not soft.
Not soft, plus, as an added bonus, the gal gets to lose an erogenous zone. Thanks, science!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:32:24pm |
re: #127 prairiefire
Not soft, plus, as an added bonus, the gal gets to lose an erogenous zone. Thanks, science!
exactly
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EdDantes Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:34:59pm |
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:36:59pm |
re: #72 albusteve
the headlines are not pretty, other than that I'm not following...what's the point? just pisses me of...we can't do jack shit in this country...between the rad GOP and stupid big govt libs, we're fucked...the latest headline is just another headline unless one lives and breaths every word...I don't
Those "stupid big govt libs" (are you quoting Rush directly?) have made all sorts of concessions on spending. The GOP won't even accept a dime in tax increases. Dems are actuallly trying to govern, while the GOP is simply protesting the whole idea of govt.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:38:13pm |
re: #129 EdDantes
It's a joke I heard somewhere.
A kid is launching a divorce--they're still in the stage where they call each other up to fight.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:39:10pm |
Ray Allen - Carmelo Anthony - Chris Bosh - Vince Carter - Tyson Chandler - Jamal Crawford - Kevin Durant - Baron Davis - Patrick Ewing - Derek Fisher - Rudy Gay - Blake Griffin - Tyler Hansbrough - Dwight Howard - Juwan Howard - Antawn Jamison - Dahntay Jones - Brandon Knight - Kevin Love - Jamal Mashburn - Cheryl Miller - Reggie Miller - Alonzo Mourning - Dikembe Mutombo - Chris Paul - Quentin Richardson - Doc Rivers - Steve Smith - Jerry Stackhouse - Amare Stoudemire - Tina Thompson
Obama Campaign Unveils Star-Studded 'Obama Classic Basketball Game'
NBA lockout and you are President. Fucking a.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:39:52pm |
Speaking of gov't spending, the NASA budget for 2012 has been signed:
NASA's Budget for 2012 Is Set--Worry About 2013 Budget Begins
It's done. The U.S. President has signed the Appropriations bill for NASA's fiscal year 2012 budget. The fight on the FY12 budget is over. The top line budget for NASA is $17.8 billion. While this is $648 million less than last year's level and $924 below what the President requested for FY12, it is far better than the $16.8 billion proposed earlier this year by the House of Representatives.
There are winners (James Webb Space Telescope, Space Launch System, Multipurpose Crew Vehicle), casualties (Commercial Crew, Space Technology), and those who slipped only a little (Planetary Science, Earth Science.)
[...]
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:41:36pm |
re: #133 freetoken
Glad they saved the Webb observatory.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:43:03pm |
re: #131 Decatur Deb
A kid is launching a divorce--they're still in the stage where they call each other up to fight.
Still better than "Hall Sex". Where you pass each other in the hallway and scream "Fuck You" at each other.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:44:40pm |
re: #132 Stanley Sea
Hey! Where the white players at?
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:45:36pm |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:45:55pm |
re: #132 Stanley Sea
Ray Allen - Carmelo Anthony - Chris Bosh - Vince Carter - Tyson Chandler - Jamal Crawford - Kevin Durant - Baron Davis - Patrick Ewing - Derek Fisher - Rudy Gay - Blake Griffin - Tyler Hansbrough - Dwight Howard - Juwan Howard - Antawn Jamison - Dahntay Jones - Brandon Knight - Kevin Love - Jamal Mashburn - Cheryl Miller - Reggie Miller - Alonzo Mourning - Dikembe Mutombo - Chris Paul - Quentin Richardson - Doc Rivers - Steve Smith - Jerry Stackhouse - Amare Stoudemire - Tina Thompson
Obama Campaign Unveils Star-Studded 'Obama Classic Basketball Game'
NBA lockout and you are President. Fucking a.
Should televise it on C-SPAN and cover their budget for a decade.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:47:31pm |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey! Where the white players at?
oh geeze, youve just called the next outrage.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:47:37pm |
re: #137 freetoken
For now.
Played that Fed game for 30 years. "Here's your 2-year budget. Now give me your 5-year plan."
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:49:25pm |
Media Can Avoid NYPD Arrest By Getting Press Pass They Can’t Get
Stu Loeser, a spokesman for New York City’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg, says the best way for reporters to avoid being arrested while covering Occupy Wall Street is to carry a press pass issued by the New York Police Department. [UPDATE: Loeser says that's not what he meant. Details below.]
But the NYPD isn’t issuing press passes to reporters covering Occupy Wall Street, as we learned when we contacted them Thursday.
“We aren’t issuing press credentials to reporters covering Occupy Wall Street,” said Detective Gina Sarubbi, NYPD’s Deputy Commissioner of Public Information.
...
But Detective Sarubbi said that even if the NYPD were issuing press passes to cover the protests, there are no appointments available to get a press pass before January 2012.
...
Loeser called Wired after this story ran to say that Sarubbi is exactly right. He disputed that his Tweets and his memo diminishing the arrests of journalists by pointing out only a few had NYPD-issued passes imply that reporters covering Occupy Wall Street should get credentials from the police.
“Anybody can go into Zuccotti park and write a story,” Loeser said.
...
Wired has been trying to get NYPD press credentials for freelancer Quinn Norton, who is on special assignment to cover the Occupy movement. Even before this week’s arrests, the NYPD made it clear they would not issue her credentials, as she first had to comply with Kafka-esque rules, such as proving she’d already covered six on-the-spot events in New York City — events that you would actually need a press pass to cover.
When I asked if six stories on Occupy Wall Street would count, Sarubbi said no.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:53:01pm |
Say it isn't so:
Clooney fingered for Steve Jobs role in Hollywood biopic
Hollywood heartthrob George Clooney has been named as a lead contender for the role of Steve Jobs in the inevitable cash-in movie, planned to start filming next year.
[...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:54:13pm |
re: #130 palomino
Those "stupid big govt libs" (are you quoting Rush directly?) have made all sorts of concessions on spending.
Srsly. Frickin unreal.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:54:15pm |
re: #139 Stanley Sea
oh geeze, youve just called the next outrage.
Tyler Hansbrough was the only white player I saw on the list. I think that's notable. Not saying problematic; just notable.
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BishopX Fri, Nov 18, 2011 6:59:53pm |
So for any Boston lizards out there, Occupy Boston is having a Summit tomorrow to discuss where the Occupy Boston movement should go form here.
Image: Occupy_Boston_Summit_flyer.jpg
I'm planning on attending, mostly to hear what's going on but also to push for more direct engagement with the political process, and I think the meetings would be enriched having the kind of people who comment here attending.
The summit is from 2pm until 6pm, indoor in a cafeteria (see flyer for details).
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:01:37pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tyler Hansbrough was the only white player I saw on the list. I think that's notable. Not saying problematic; just notable.
all the other white dudes secured their lock out gigs at in & out.
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jaunte Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:02:49pm |
Billionaires Use Tax Loophole To Lower Their Tax Rates To 1 Percent
In 2009, 1,470 households reported income of more than $1 million but paid no federal income tax on it, through their use of various tax loopholes and shelters. Tax rates for millionaires have fallen by 25 percent since the mid-’90s, while one quarter of millionaires currently pay lower tax rates than the average middle-class household.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:03:25pm |
re: #145 BishopX
pls report back how it went.
awesome. (I don't know you but if I did, I'd call you my rapey stabby friend in arms)
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:03:31pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tyler Hansbrough was the only white player I saw on the list. I think that's notable. Not saying problematic; just notable.
Kevin Love is also white.
I admit it seems a little slanted. Until you factor in the really low number of American born white players in the NBA. The league is about 75% black. Of the roughly 25% white NBAers, many (if not most) of the best are foreign born--Nowitzki, Ginobili, Nash, et al.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:05:19pm |
re: #149 palomino
Kevin Love is also white.
I admit it seems a little slanted. Until you factor in the really low number of American born white players in the NBA. The league is about 75% black. Of the roughly 25% white NBAers, many (if not most) of the best are foreign born--Nowitzki, Ginobili, Nash, et al.
And they are definitely in Europe, not losing income.
blackety black black. Weird this even came up.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:05:39pm |
re: #149 palomino
Kevin Love is also white.
I admit it seems a little slanted. Until you factor in the really low number of American born white players in the NBA. The league is about 75% black. Of the roughly 25% white NBAers, many (if not most) of the best are foreign born--Nowitzki, Ginobili, Nash, et al.
I believe Kevin is Mike Love of the Beach Boys' nephew but you're right the league is very black and the players that are white are mostly foreign born.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:05:59pm |
re: #145 BishopX
So for any Boston lizards out there, Occupy Boston is having a Summit tomorrow to discuss where the Occupy Boston movement should go form here.
Image: Occupy_Boston_Summit_flyer.jpg
I'm planning on attending, mostly to hear what's going on but also to push for more direct engagement with the political process, and I think the meetings would be enriched having the kind of people who comment here attending.
The summit is from 2pm until 6pm, indoor in a cafeteria (see fly for details).
Good for you. I'm going back to LA this weekend.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:06:10pm |
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BishopX Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:06:32pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:07:33pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
all the other white dudes secured their lock out gigs at in & out.
I love the NBA, and I can only name five white players, and two of them ain't Murikans.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:07:42pm |
re: #154 BishopX
I will report back.
Feel free to call me your rapey stabbity comrade in arms.
lol. 2nd request Charles. PLEASE change my nic to Ms. Rapey McStabby.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:09:46pm |
I remember when Adam Morrison was a big prospect out of Gonzaga. Last I heard he was a training camp invitee for the Wizards last year which is where I saw him since GMU hosted the Wizards opening training night last year. It was cool seeing John Wall and I got my photo taken with Mursean, talllest NBAer ever.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:09:59pm |
re: #156 Stanley Sea
lol. 2nd request Charles. PLEASE change my nic to Ms. Rapey McStabby.
Rapey McStabsALot and the IEDs is my new band name.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:10:10pm |
re: #150 Stanley Sea
And they are definitely in Europe, not losing income.
blackety black black. Weird this even came up.
Oh, I was being silly.
I am not interested in going back to the days of the set shot and the under-armed free throw.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:11:49pm |
re: #156 Stanley Sea
lol. 2nd request Charles. PLEASE change my nic to Ms. Rapey McStabby.
I changed my nic. How? I re-registered with the new nic.
But I don't recommend it. OWS thingy's already becoming a memory.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:12:56pm |
Obama does basketball... but Putin does... HOCKEY!!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:15:39pm |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, I was being silly.
I am not interested in going back to the days of the set shot and the under-armed free throw.
lol
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:21:14pm |
But really, is it?
re: #150 Stanley Sea
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:22:23pm |
re: #161 freetoken
He also does a wicked Dr. Christian Szell impression.
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Olsonist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:25:32pm |
Kevin Love is second generation NBA. His father played for the Lakers and his uncle played for the Beach Boys.
And Muresan is tall but he isn't taller than Nute. That's just a fact, Jack.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:28:18pm |
re: #165 Olsonist
Kevin Love is second generation NBA. His father played for the Lakers and his uncle played for the Beach Boys.
And Muresan is tall but he isn't taller than Nute. That's just a fact, Jack.
I thought Mursean was the tallest guy ever to play in the NBA. It's funny because I also saw Maunte Bol at a Save Darfur rally in 2006. Both guys made 6 even me feel small.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:29:48pm |
re: #166 HappyWarrior
Met a guy last Friday night at my Karaoke bar, 7'1".
Talked to him for a few minutes... got a crick in my neck.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:34:33pm |
re: #166 HappyWarrior
I thought Mursean was the tallest guy ever to play in the NBA. It's funny because I also saw Maunte Bol at a Save Darfur rally in 2006. Both guys made 6 even me feel small.
Muresan wins by a millimeter. Actually both are listed at 7' 7", but Guinness gives it to Big Gheorge.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:38:53pm |
re: #168 palomino
Muresan wins by a millimeter. Actually both are listed at 7' 7", but Guinness gives it to Big Gheorge.
I thought he was taller. It's interesting. The Washington Bullets/Wizards have had both the NBA's tallest man Gheorge and shortest Muggsy Bogues. and he and Maunte were teammates. Looking at Bogues' biography. He managed to block Pat Ewing's shot once.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:49:15pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
I haven't even been following the negotiations. There's probably not much chance of anything constructive happening.
Most likely, the parties will settle on Boener's 'small ball' cuts and fee increases. Some money will still be sequestered, but the DoD will not be crippled.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:52:18pm |
I was going to say 'you just can't make this stuff up', but apparently somebody can.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:52:43pm |
re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist
I was going to say 'you just can't make this stuff up', but apparently somebody can.
I mean, since we were speaking of tall people.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:53:12pm |
re: #165 Olsonist
Kevin Love is second generation NBA. His father played for the Lakers and his uncle played for the Beach Boys.
And Muresan is tall but he isn't taller than Nute. That's just a fact, Jack.
True, but the NBA itself is in dire straights, since the season is now in jeopardy.
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:54:17pm |
*POOF!*
First He is here and now he is gone.
Night Lizards.
May the Deities of your choice smile down upon you.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:55:05pm |
re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist
I was going to say 'you just can't make this stuff up', but apparently somebody can.
Merely a spurt of flame from the embers of the funeral pyre of Burning Stupid upon which Bachmann's presidential hopes were cremated.
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bratwurst Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:56:35pm |
re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist
I was going to say 'you just can't make this stuff up', but apparently somebody can.
When I heard this story, my first thought was that I really need to watch Tim Burton's Big Fish again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 7:59:29pm |
My husband claims that it wasn't really a seven-foot doctor, it was just Turk and J.D. from Scrubs, doing their Giant Doctor routine.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:02:16pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
Love me some Scrubs.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:02:52pm |
re: #169 HappyWarrior
I thought he was taller. It's interesting. The Washington Bullets/Wizards have had both the NBA's tallest man Gheorge and shortest Muggsy Bogues. and he and Maunte were teammates. Looking at Bogues' biography. He managed to block Pat Ewing's shot once.
One of the weirder things about Manute was that he took quite a few 3-pointers for such a big man. Had a really weird shot--kinda from behind his right ear like Jamaal Wilkes back in the 80s. He was good at it only in a relative sense: better than other guys his size.
One of my favorite all-time photos is Jordan being guarded by Muggsy. Even more extreme, Shawn Bradley. Tough assignments.
Here's another one you might like. Tall and short.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:03:53pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Merely a spurt of flame from the embers of the funeral pyre of Burning Stupid upon which Bachmann's presidential hopes were cremated.
Suppose there were a real doctor, and suppose his statement wasn't total BS, what thought process would lead someone to introduce his height into a public policy question?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:06:03pm |
re: #180 Decatur Deb
Suppose there were a real doctor, and suppose his statement wasn't total BS, what thought process would lead someone to introduce his height into a public policy question?
Well, Bachmann is quite a small woman. Perhaps she notices height more than most.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:08:25pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, Bachmann is quite a small woman. Perhaps she notices height more than most.
OK. I, for one, will not look down on her over that.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:08:31pm |
Just a reminder, the Keystone Cops GOP Candidate "debate" roadshow hits Iowa (again) tomorrow:
The sponsor is Bob Vander Plaat's The Family Leader, the group that successfully ousted the IA supreme court justices who accurately rendered the opinion that gay marriage was allowable under the IA constitution.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:09:02pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
True, but the NBA itself is in dire straights, since the season is now in jeopardy.
What the NBA could use is some form of revenue sharing. I know, it's socialistic. But it also keeps the NFL from having the kind of labor disputes and payroll disparities that plague MLB, NBA, NHL. All three of those leagues have missed significant numbers of games (including a WS and Stanley Cup) over the last decade or so. The NFL hasn't "missed" a game since 1987 (when the replacement players came in for a laugh), and that dispute was resolved after only 3 weeks.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:09:55pm |
re: #179 palomino
One of the weirder things about Manute was that he took quite a few 3-pointers for such a big man. Had a really weird shot--kinda from behind his right ear like Jamaal Wilkes back in the 80s. He was good at it only in a relative sense: better than other guys his size.
One of my favorite all-time photos is Jordan being guarded by Muggsy. Even more extreme, Shawn Bradley. Tough assignments.
Here's another one you might like. Tall and short.
The Bradley photo is priceless. I have a pretty odd shot myself. Hard to describe. One of those, have to see it to believe it things. I always was unorthodox though- sidearm pitcher before I was forced to switch and I'm told I throw a football odd too.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:10:12pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, Bachmann is quite a small woman. Perhaps she notices height more than most.
Possibly. He might have also explained his medical specialty using big words Michelle Bachmann couldn't understand.
But I think she pulled that out of her ass and I therefore call "Bullshit!".
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:11:58pm |
re: #184 freetoken
Just a reminder, the
Keystone CopsGOP Candidate "debate" roadshow hits Iowa (again) tomorrow:The sponsor is Bob Vander Plaat's The Family Leader, the group that successfully ousted the IA supreme court justices who accurately rendered the opinion that gay marriage was allowable under the IA constitution.
A Family Forum that no doubt will feature tons and tons of gay, Mormon, and anyone who's not a born again asshole bashing.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:12:06pm |
re: #186 HappyWarrior
The Bradley photo is priceless. I have a pretty odd shot myself. Hard to describe. One of those, have to see it to believe it things. I always was unorthodox though- sidearm pitcher before I was forced to switch and I'm told I throw a football odd too.
Your throwing motion can't be any worse than Tim Tebow's. I'm still astonished he's 4-1 as a starter this season. But he's definitely got some intagibles that compensate for his lack of conventional pro passing skills.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:12:17pm |
Here's the NYT on a possible source of some Wall Street angst:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:12:36pm |
re: #185 palomino
What the NBA could use is some form of revenue sharing. I know, it's socialistic. But it also keeps the NFL from having the kind of labor disputes and payroll disparities that plague MLB, NBA, NHL. All three of those leagues have missed significant numbers of games (including a WS and Stanley Cup) over the last decade or so. The NFL hasn't "missed" a game since 1987 (when the replacement players came in for a laugh), and that dispute was resolved after only 3 weeks.
Its not that bad an idea. Sports is not the same thing as the American economy as a whole, and some forms of mandated funding disparity reduction can be needed.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:12:51pm |
re: #188 HappyWarrior
Vander Plaat's organization was one of those pushing the gay-is-a-curable-disease meme, until they were called on it recently.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:13:32pm |
re: #188 HappyWarrior
A Family Forum that no doubt will feature tons and tons of gay, Mormon, and anyone who's not a born again asshole bashing.
Drinking game trigger: "I value the first amendment more than anyone here, but..."
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:14:00pm |
re: #189 palomino
Your throwing motion can't be any worse than Tim Tebow's. I'm still astonished he's 4-1 as a starter this season. But he's definitely got some intagibles that compensate for his lack of conventional pro passing skills.
Not bad just different. I'd be at a disadvantage if I were a QB anywhere though despite having a strong arm being a lefty and built more like a fullback or linebacker.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:14:50pm |
Oh, and Focus on the Family are the ones who are livestreaming the event:
[Link: www.citizenlink.com...]
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:16:01pm |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
Its not that bad an idea. Sports is not the same thing as the American economy as a whole, and some forms of mandated funding disparity reduction can be needed.
Absolutely. Otherwise how the heck are cities like KC gonna be competitive AND profitable at the same time? And how do cities like Milwaukee stay competitive when they know they're gonna lose their stars? Bye bye, Prince Fielder.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:16:14pm |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
Drinking game trigger: "I value the first amendment more than anyone here, but..."
I value my liver, thank you. Fucking Cain and his 9-9-9 has made me drunker than I ought to have been at these.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:17:52pm |
Michele Bachmann is a stupid, unhinged con. No telling what is going through what passes for a brain among her constituents.
re: #180 Decatur Deb
Suppose there were a real doctor, and suppose his statement wasn't total BS, what thought process would lead someone to introduce his height into a public policy question?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:18:59pm |
re: #196 palomino
Absolutely. Otherwise how the heck are cities like KC gonna be competitive AND profitable at the same time? And how do cities like Milwaukee stay competitive when they know they're gonna lose their stars? Bye bye, Prince Fielder.
The beauty of the NFL is by and large teams that build from the ground up do better than those who go on free agent binges. Art Modell had a joke actually. "We're 30 Republicans who vote like socialists."
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:21:02pm |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
Drinking game trigger: "I value the first amendment more than anyone here, but..."
Magic word is "God" - one drink every time mentioned. And, if "God" "America" and "Exceptional" are used in one sentence you have to do a double.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:21:55pm |
re: #194 HappyWarrior
Not bad just different. I'd be at a disadvantage if I were a QB anywhere though despite having a strong arm being a lefty and built more like a fullback or linebacker.
Are you describing yourself? If so, you've got a lot in common with Tebow.
I'm now pulling for Tebow. Not just because he's on my fantasy team, where he inexplicably puts up good totals despite looking awful on so many series in each game. But also because his style is unique in the NFL--it's a throwback to the 60s NFL in a lot of ways. How effective it can be in the long run is still a big IF though.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:24:20pm |
re: #201 palomino
Are you describing yourself? If so, you've got a lot in common with Tebow.
I'm now pulling for Tebow. Not just because he's on my fantasy team, where he inexplicably puts up good totals despite looking awful on so many series in each game. But also because his style is unique in the NFL--it's a throwback to the 60s NFL in a lot of ways. How effective it can be in the long run is still a big IF though.
Myself. I'm shorter than Tebow by 3 inches being generous. And I couldn't run like him if I tried. I'd be a Bettis type. short yard and using my size rather than my speed(what speed?). As for Tebow I feel mixed, part of me is annoyed by him since I find his religion stuff tiring but that could be more of an annoyance with his Dad whom I read an article on said something ignorant to the effect that Flippinos don't know Jesus Christ. On the other hand, you gota admire his toughness on the field.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:24:59pm |
re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Michele Bachmann is a stupid, unhinged con. No telling what is going through what passes for a brain among her constituents.
She and Perry are down in single digits in the polls now. Even worse, they aren't raising the money they did a couple months back. Now Newt will get another second chance, which I assume he'll blow just like all the others. I still think Romney will win the nod by default, just by being the last sane man standing.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:29:47pm |
re: #202 HappyWarrior
Myself. I'm shorter than Tebow by 3 inches being generous. And I couldn't run like him if I tried. I'd be a Bettis type. short yard and using my size rather than my speed(what speed?).
I know Tebow wants to play QB only. But I think he'd be a pretty effective RB if his coaches finally decide he just can't throw well enough to be an NFL starter.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:30:52pm |
re: #195 freetoken
I read this with some interest this morning. It also mentions the Thanksgiving Family Forum:
How Iowa’s Social Conservatives Lost Their Influence
This weekend’s “Thanksgiving Family Forum” at a Des Moines megachurch probably seemed like a great idea to Iowa social conservatives when it was first developed. You’d have the presidential candidates arrayed around a “Thanksgiving table,” obediently waiting for a symbolic serving of activist support. In the pews would be thousands of stolid Iowans of the sort most likely to show up at the January 3 caucuses. Wielding the microphone would be focus-group king Frank Luntz, probing the worldviews of the candidates to determine their fidelity to a teavangelical, big-God, small-government creed. And at the head of the table, in spirit at least, would be Iowa right-wing kingmaker Bob Vander Plaats, ready to crown one of the candidates as the Mike Huckabee of 2012.
It could still play out that way, of course, but the political context surrounding the Thanksgiving Family Forum, cosponsored by Vander Plaats’ FAMiLY Leader group, the National Organization for Marriage, and Focus on the Family’s CitizenLink affiliate, suggests the effort to unite Christian Right voters around a single candidate in Iowa could prove too little and too late. [...]
I hope they're right about waning influence.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:33:22pm |
re: #205 CuriousLurker
I read this with some interest this morning. It also mentions the Thanksgiving Family Forum:
I hope they're right about waning influence.
I had forgotten that Vander Plaatz' was behind the pamphlet that claimed blacks were better off as slaves.I hope they're right too but this guy did engineer Huckabee's win in Iowa and said helped get judges removed who had the nerve to rule gay people should have equal rights.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:36:35pm |
re: #206 HappyWarrior
I had forgotten that Vander Plaatz' was behind the pamphlet that claimed blacks were better off as slaves.I hope they're right too but this guy did engineer Huckabee's win in Iowa and said helped get judges removed who had the nerve to rule gay people should have equal rights.
It'll be very interesting to see how all this plays out in Iowa. A lot has changed since 2008 when Huckabee did so well.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:49:38pm |
re: #201 palomino
Are you describing yourself? If so, you've got a lot in common with Tebow.
I'm now pulling for Tebow. Not just because he's on my fantasy team, where he inexplicably puts up good totals despite looking awful on so many series in each game. But also because his style is unique in the NFL--it's a throwback to the 60s NFL in a lot of ways. How effective it can be in the long run is still a big IF though.
He's got a tough end to the season, though. The Broncos division rivals the Chargers and Chief should be won, and Denver should also beat Minnesota. But the Broncos are near-certain to lose to the Bears and Patriots. Tebow's playoff hopes may come down to Christmas Eve in Buffalo, though I'll be rooting for the Bills.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:55:39pm |
Just started a week and some change off. I don't go back to work until the Monday after Turkey Day.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:06:09pm |
Are we still on music?
I'd add this nice one take studio jam. Jeff Beck with Cozy Powell.
Paged.
Or right at YouTube
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:07:53pm |
Mitt Romney, either because he’s not terribly bright or because he’s hoping voters aren’t terribly bright, launched a new attack based on Obama’s comments. As the Republican presidential candidate sees it, the president “said that Americans are lazy.” That’s not true, but Romney isn’t exactly fact-oriented. The former governor added that Obama says “disparaging things about Americans.”As it turns out, there is a presidential candidate who’s argued that Americans “avoid the hard work” that’s needed for the country to get ahead. The candidate is Mitt Romney, who put the argument in his book:
“We have been accustomed to being the world’s leading nation for so long, enjoying the freedom, security, and prosperity that comes with that leadership, that we have tended to avoid the hard work that overcoming challenges requires.”
So, as Romney sees it, Americans have grown so complacent, we’ve become slothful.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:08:51pm |
re: #208 Dark_Falcon
He's got a tough end to the season, though. The Broncos division rivals the Chargers and Chief should be won, and Denver should also beat Minnesota. But the Broncos are near-certain to lose to the Bears and Patriots. Tebow's playoff hopes may come down to Christmas Eve in Buffalo, though I'll be rooting for the Bills.
Yeah, Tebow's lucky that his team is in a mediocre division that no team seems to want to win. SD, OAK, KC--none of them dominant, so his Broncos have a decent chance to squeeze through.
I'm not exactly sold on Tebow, but he's better than I expected. A very good runner, if he was only a halfway decent passer he'd be a pretty good QB overall. But so far he seems really limited as a passer. And he didn't really have much success against the Jets until that last drive. When he needs to do more I think he'll be exposed. Then again, he's 4-1, so...
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:09:54pm |
Hi y'all.
I don't have much to say, but i just wanted to type something on my new kindle fire.
I'm getting used to the new keyboard, but i like it a lot !
Ok, back to catching up...
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:12:20pm |
re: #211 goddamnedfrank
So, as Romney sees it, Americans have grown so complacent, we’ve become slothful.
Does this guy have any consistency ever?Bueller?
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:16:33pm |
re: #214 HappyWarrior
He's consistantly inconsistant.
It's his raison d'etre.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:17:14pm |
re: #212 palomino
Yeah, Tebow's lucky that his team is in a mediocre division that no team seems to want to win. SD, OAK, KC--none of them dominant, so his Broncos have a decent chance to squeeze through.
I'm not exactly sold on Tebow, but he's better than I expected. A very good runner, if he was only a halfway decent passer he'd be a pretty good QB overall. But so far he seems really limited as a passer. And he didn't really have much success against the Jets until that last drive. When he needs to do more I think he'll be exposed. Then again, he's 4-1, so...
The problem is that against a strong defense like the Bears a quarterback has to be able to throw well. As the Bears have proven 4 times against Michael Vick, the Chicago defense eats running QB's for lunch, especially ace linebackers Brian Urlacher (#54) and Lance Briggs (#55). And with #53 Nick Roach proving a highly capable third linebacker, Tim Tebow will be very hard pressed to find rushing success against Chicago.
New England's defense is very badly depleted, and Tebow can be expected to do well against the Patriots. But Tom Brady can be expected to do even better against Denver's defense. Thus the second team the Broncos have yet to paly that I think they will lose to.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:21:18pm |
re: #215 OhNoZombies!
He's consistantly inconsistant.
It's his raison d'etre.
I mean he's so predictably pathetic.No leadership at all from Romney. He just says what he thinks people want to hear.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:21:56pm |
re: #214 HappyWarrior
Does this guy have any consistency ever?Bueller?
He's consistently inconsistent.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:22:21pm |
Herman Cain apologizes to Latinos, touts Arizona, Alabama laws
Herman Cain once again walked back his joke about building an electrified fence along the U.S.-Mexico border, telling Univision in an interview that the comment “wasn’t intended to offend” Latinos.
Then Cain outlined a border policy he supports – relying on state-level initiatives to control illegal immigration – and specifically praised the Arizona and Alabama immigration laws that Latinos loathe:
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:22:48pm |
re: #215 OhNoZombies!
He's consistantly inconsistant.
It's his raison d'etre.
Jinx.
He's a consistent liar.
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:23:02pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that against a strong defense like the Bears a quarterback has to be able to throw well. As the Bears have proven 4 times against Michael Vick, the Chicago defense eats running QB's for lunch, especially ace linebackers Brian Urlacher (#54) and Lance Briggs (#55). And with #53 Nick Roach proving a highly capable third linebacker, Tim Tebow will be very hard pressed to find rushing success against Chicago.
New England's defense is very badly depleted, and Tebow can be expected to do well against the Patriots. But Tom Brady can be expected to do even better against Denver's defense. Thus the second team the Broncos have yet to paly that I think they will lose to.
The Broncos might end up 9-7 and win their division--probably their best case scenario. Tebow's only real chance against a good D is something like last night: a low scoring game where he only needs to lead his team to one or two scores. I just don't see him sustaining multiple drives over the course of a game against the better defenses. Last night the Broncos won--with only 229 yards of total offense. That formula probably won't work long term.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:24:15pm |
re: #217 HappyWarrior
The plan is to wait for the other guys to hang themselves, till he's the last one standing.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:26:04pm |
re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Herman Cain apologizes to Latinos, touts Arizona, Alabama laws
And Republicans wonder why many Hispanics are hostile to their party.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:26:58pm |
re: #222 OhNoZombies!
The plan is to wait for the other guys to hang themselves, till he's the last one standing.
As John Stewart said, if Romney were a color, he would be beige. If Romney was an ice cream flavor, it would be beige.
He's a suit you can wind up to speak at public appearances, thats it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:27:02pm |
HEY ALL!
I've had the most exciting Friday Night. I just finished reading the May 9, 2009 version of a scholarly, 52 page paper (eventually expanded into a book by the same name) called "Slapped in the Face by the Invisible Hand: Banking and the Panic of 2007" by Gary Gorton.
It was soooo boring. Yet, I did learn a lot and now have even more questions about Dodd-Frank.
When I get my thoughts together, I'll Pages it.
I know, you can't wait, can you?
:0
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:27:12pm |
re: #222 OhNoZombies!
The plan is to wait for the other guys to hang themselves, till he's the last one standing.
And since the people Romney's currently running against are all lunatics and/or idiots, his strategy is working. Sort of.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:31:08pm |
re: #223 HappyWarrior
And Republicans wonder why many Hispanics are hostile to their party.
"But we're all over that Jesus thing. Why don't they love us?"
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:32:03pm |
re: #226 palomino
Yep.
Plus, by not saying anything, he avoids saying stupid stuff like, oh, corporations are people, or that he too is unemployed.
Kind of a coward if you ask me.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:35:34pm |
re: #228 OhNoZombies!
Yep.
Plus, by not saying anything, he avoids saying stupid stuff like, oh, corporations are people, or that he too is unemployed.
Kind of a coward if you ask me.
He's kind of acting how Thomas Dewey did in '48 to draw a historical parallel. He talks like he's already the nominee or president. Doesn't take any real risks. He's a bore to me. His whole schting seems to be "I'm not Obama and I'm one of you, really!"
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:36:21pm |
re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Herman Cain apologizes to Latinos, touts Arizona, Alabama laws
Herman Cain won't be Romney's VP, wants to be SecDef (really).
“That could be the one that I could be excited about,” Cain told conservative radio host Michael Savage, adding “to help the generals and commanders on the ground to get what they need, to do what they do best, and that is kick the you-know-what out of everyone in the world.”
See, war is like a pizza:
"When I first became president of Godfather's Pizza, there was a very dangerous part of town in the black community where I wouldn't allow my restaurants to deliver because we had kids beat, robbed," he said in an interview outside a pizza joint here Sunday.
"And I said 'if I won't send my son over there, I'm not going to send someone else's son or daughter over there.' Last week in Omaha, Nebraska, that same neighborhood that I wouldn't deliver in—that they are delivering in now—a Pizza Hut driver was killed."
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:38:26pm |
re: #229 HappyWarrior
I don't think that's gonna work. He looks too much like the rich bully from Aspen in an 80's movie.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:41:00pm |
re: #230 goddamnedfrank
“That could be the one that I could be excited about,” Cain told conservative radio host Michael Savage, adding “to help the generals and commanders on the ground to get what they need, to do what they do best, and that is kick the you-know-what out of everyone in the world.”
"Except if there are mountains involved. Mountains are right out."
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:42:15pm |
re: #231 OhNoZombies!
I don't think that's gonna work. He looks too much like the rich bully from Aspen in an 80's movie.
Yeah I saw a poll posted here today that has him and Gingrich neck and neck in NH which should safe ground for Mitt. I like your analogy too. He comes across as a total snob who is mute to the realities of American life. The whole corporations are people too quip reenforces that really.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:43:21pm |
re: #230 goddamnedfrank
He's funny.
Uncle Ruckus is funny.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:45:22pm |
re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Except if there are mountains involved. Mountains are right out."
I wonder if all of Herman Cain's planning experience is derived from certain video games. Mountains are impassable to all but air units in Civilization 5.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:45:26pm |
I am a little ticked off that he's talking to that bastard Savage who said very nasty shit about autistic kids.
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RadicalModerate Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:46:24pm |
Oh boy. Here we go again.
Protesters face off with UC Davis campus police
Student protesters just faced off with UC Davis campus police on the Quad. At approximately 3:30 p.m., police officers marched to the protesters. After protesters refused to leave, police arrested at 10 individuals, nine of which were students. Officers also pepper-sprayed students in the face who were sitting down and linking arms.
The protest is a combinaton of the "Occupy" movement and UC Davis students protesting tuition hikes and the increase of other fees.
Photo and video of the incident are below (linked story above has complete a photo gallery of event).
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palomino Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:50:33pm |
re: #237 RadicalModerate
With protesters that violent you have no choice but to use pepper spray. At the very least.
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BishopX Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:51:01pm |
re: #237 RadicalModerate
That's fucking disgusting. The officer looks like he's walking down the street. No emotion, no realization that he's inflicting unnecessary pain on other human beings.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:52:19pm |
re: #237 RadicalModerate
I would have felt threatened too...with all that sitting and talking...
Shameful.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:54:29pm |
re: #237 RadicalModerate
Oh boy. Here we go again.
Protesters face off with UC Davis campus policeThe protest is a combinaton of the "Occupy" movement and UC Davis students protesting tuition hikes and the increase of other fees.
Photo and video of the incident are below (linked story above has complete a photo gallery of event).[Video]
What was the point of pepper spraying them?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:56:53pm |
re: #239 BishopX
That's fucking disgusting. The officer looks like he's walking down the street. No emotion, no realization that he's inflicting unnecessary pain on other human beings.
Yeah I see that. Fucked up.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:57:44pm |
This Pages Post by Curious Lurker deserves to be promoted, IMHO.
WTF?
National Press Club Suspends Journalist for Aggressively Questioning Saudi Royal
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:58:53pm |
I hope the campus police get to see just how stupid they all look in that video.
Were they trying to provoke violence?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:59:35pm |
Princess Dog has the only rawhide left in the house. Damnit! Puppy wants it. He goes to the back door and scratches, indicateding he needs to go out. I get up and go to the door, Princess Dog follows as she takes every opportunity to go outside. Damnit! Puppy proceeds to where she left the rawhide and steals it.
Now you know why he has been renamed Damnit! Puppy.
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RadicalModerate Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:00:22pm |
re: #241 HappyWarrior
What was the point of pepper spraying them?
From the stories that I've found on it so far, the students had set up tents there three days ago and were told to remove them by 3:00pm today and vacate (although the mayor only stipulated that they couldn't camp there). The students did comply by packing up all camping equipment, but remained in the quad. That's when the police came in and started pepper-spraying.
One person was injured badly enough by the chemical burns that she had to be hospitalized.
MSNBC has picked up on the story now, as well.
Video spreads of UC Davis cops pepper spraying Occupy students
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:06:27pm |
re: #246 RadicalModerate
From the stories that I've found on it so far, the students had set up tents there three days ago and were told to remove them by 3:00pm today and vacate (although the mayor only stipulated that they couldn't camp there). The students did comply by packing up all camping equipment, but remained in the quad. That's when the police came in and started pepper-spraying.
One person was injured badly enough by the chemical burns that she had to be hospitalized.MSNBC has picked up on the story now, as well.
Video spreads of UC Davis cops pepper spraying Occupy students
I don't go to UC Davis obviously but I'd assume the police have no authority to force them to leave the Quad.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:20:31pm |
Santorum: Americans Should Suffer
During a town hall meeting in Ottumwa, Iowa Friday afternoon, Rick Santorum argued that Americans receive too many government benefits and ought to “suffer” in the Christian tradition. If “you’re lower income, you can qualify for Medicaid, you can qualify for food stamps, you can qualify for housing assistance,” Santorum complained, before adding, “suffering is part of life and it’s not a bad thing, it is an essential thing in life.” However, almost all states have curtailed their aid programs, just as the economic downturn is expanding the pool of eligible applicants.
Fuck you Frothy.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:23:25pm |
re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum: Americans Should Suffer
Fuck you Frothy.
For a man who calls himself a Catholic, Santorum sure has a very Calvinist way of looking at the poor and hungry. And yeah fuck him for saying this while he and his family live a nice life.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:24:00pm |
re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum: Americans Should Suffer
Fuck you Frothy.
Jesus wants children to suffer? Really?
I missed that.
(I will confess that my children can all tell you about my putting myself through college and how it was good for me, etc. etc.)
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:26:00pm |
re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You'd think that someday they'll learn to just keep their mouths shut.
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BishopX Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:26:55pm |
So I just watched the entire video, and I have a couple observations.
-The police are really, really outnumbered. I counted 20 odd officers in the video, call it an even 30. There were at least 200 protestors.
-The police have no perimeter, there is a loose crowd of officers up until the protesters start getting in their face, at which point they bunch up into a defensive ball as they walk out of the park. Because the police officers aren't holding a perimeter they can't easily concentrate force where they need it, they have to deal with who ever gets in their face...not a good thing. Also because they don't have the perimeter they don't have a clear escape route if things go south. Getting surrounded by a mob is not a good thing.
-The police are carrying the wrong weapons. The paintball guns the police are carrying aren't good for close quarters, they create a cloud of irritant when they balls burst, which means that if your standing near your target you're just as likely to be effected as your target. Not to mention the fact that you can easily kill someone at the ranges shown in that video.
After watching it again I think a big part of the disproportionate use of force is fear. If the police officers allowed the confrontation to escalate they could have been in a really bad place.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:28:21pm |
re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum: Americans Should Suffer
Fuck you Frothy.
How much is Santorum willing to suffer?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:29:10pm |
re: #254 ggt
How much is Santorum willing to suffer?
By not getting to be president. That's his "sacrifice."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:29:15pm |
re: #252 freetoken
You'd think that someday they'll learn to just keep their mouths shut.
Suffering is a part of life. It can make you a better, strong person in some cases, and if you chose that path.
For someone who is rich to tell people that, though, is insensitive at best.
At the beginning of the recession, we had two families that had gone through extended periods of unemployment earlier asked to talk about what it was like and how they got through, mostly I think to show us we could survive.
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Targetpractice Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:29:36pm |
re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum: Americans Should Suffer
Fuck you Frothy.
Yeah, I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say "You first, asshole."
Honestly, how does the GOP expect this "holier than thou" attitude to help them next year. They think it comes off as "tough love," but what it really boils down to is a bunch of rich and powerful pricks talking down to the very people whose lives have been ruined by the banks and businesses which are bankrolling the elections.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:35:22pm |
re: #256 EmmmieG
For someone who is rich to tell people that, though, is insensitive at best.
Santorum is probably the least "rich" of the lot. Two are scions of wealthy families, two have made money on the lecture circuit, one has worked a variety of very well paying jobs, one is well greased from the payola of the Texas oil industry, and one has (with her husband) worked the federal and state programs teats for some time.
Santorum is just another lawyer (whose father happened to work for the government (VA)), and was probably paid well by Vince McMahon when the latter was trying to dodge the 'roid scandal.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:36:16pm |
re: #258 freetoken
Santorum is probably the least "rich" of the lot. Two are scions of wealthy families, two have made money on the lecture circuit, one has worked a variety of very well paying jobs, one is well greased from the payola of the Texas oil industry, and one has (with her husband) worked the federal and state programs teats for some time.
Santorum is just another lawyer (whose father happened to work for the government (VA)), and was probably paid well by Vince McMahon when the latter was trying to dodge the 'roid scandal.
Is he part of the 1%?
Are any of the candidates not?
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CuriousLurker Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:44:08pm |
re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum: Americans Should Suffer
Fuck you Frothy.
What a jackass. While he sits there in comfort he'd do well to remember that any one of us (and the family that depends on us) is just a catastrophic illness, accident, or natural disaster away from being desperately in need of help. I guaran-damn-tee you if his wife & children were in need of food or a roof over their heads he'd find suffering a lot less fucking noble. Prick.
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:44:18pm |
What we do see in Santorum is someone who is trying to adhere to his religious teachings, who apparently has not come to question them enough to form his own independence from them.
re: #259 ggt
Is he part of the 1%?
Probably. However, I don't see "the 1%" as being particularly evil. After all, what is the difference between someone who on the (wealth) scale is at the 99.1 percentile and someone who is on the 98.9 percentile?
What we do have in this country is a collapse of the center of the distribution, with many of them moving downward (in actual buying power.) The so called "middle class" (and I don't like these types of terms) is discovering that the rules are not the same for everyone, and that indeed could motivate some political change.
However, I have yet to see any sort of leader rise up and present these issues clearly. So far it's a nattering of activists and talking heads, and a few old politicians in the Democratic party who now find that they possibly could be back in vogue for the first time in decades. Heck, if Jerry Brown can become governor again at his age, maybe the old warriors from the War of Poverty can find new life?
Maybe not. So, where are the 40-something national level politicians who will articulate clearly the needs of the majority of the country, and do it so well that they can lead the change that must happen in the politics at the state level as well as at the national level?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:48:19pm |
re: #261 freetoken
What we do see in Santorum is someone who is trying to adhere to his religious teachings, who apparently has not come to question them enough to form his own independence from them.
Probably. However, I don't see "the 1%" as being particularly evil. After all, what is the difference between someone who on the (wealth) scale is at the 99.1 percentile and someone who is on the 98.9 percentile?
What we do have in this country is a collapse of the center of the distribution, with many of them moving downward (in actual buying power.) The so called "middle class" (and I don't like these types of terms) is discovering that the rules are not the same for everyone, and that indeed could motivate some political change.
However, I have yet to see any sort of leader rise up and present these issues clearly. So far it's a nattering of activists and talking heads, and a few old politicians in the Democratic party who now find that they possibly could be back in vogue for the first time in decades. Heck, if Jerry Brown can become governor again at his age, maybe the old warriors from the War of Poverty can find new life?
Maybe not. So, where are the 40-something national level politicians who will articulate clearly the needs of the majority of the country, and do it so well that they can lead the change that must happen in the politics at the state level as well as at the national level?
I'm not sure he actually believes what he says he believes. People who spout such rhetoric, to me, seem to be trying to convince themselves more than others.
I don't think being in the 1% makes a person evil in the least. What it does make them is disconnected from the rest of us. 99.1 and 99.8 seem to be defined on the curve. The difference could be millions or billions.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:48:58pm |
I have to sleep.
Have a wonderful evening all!
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freetoken Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:51:50pm |
re: #262 ggt
Well, he wrote the introduction of Philip Johnson's Darwin's Nemesis for IVP.
Santorum is a very religious Catholic. His suffering-spiel is very Mother Theresa (of whom Chris Hitchens really challenged, though few people understood it.)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:01:28pm |
re: #237 RadicalModerate
Oh boy. Here we go again.
Protesters face off with UC Davis campus policeThe protest is a combinaton of the "Occupy" movement and UC Davis students protesting tuition hikes and the increase of other fees.
Photo and video of the incident are below (linked story above has complete a photo gallery of event).[Video]
Kind of surprised that none of the protesters have brought pepper spray to these things themselves and returned the favor by now.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:09:39pm |
re: #266 000G
Kind of surprised that none of the protesters has brought pepper spray to these things themselves and returned the favor by now.
The stuff they sell to the public isn't the same stuff Law Enforcement gets.
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darthstar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:10:02pm |
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Cheechako Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:10:45pm |
re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The stuff they sell to the public isn't the same stuff Law Enforcement gets.
A can of bear spray would do the trick.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:18:35pm |
re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The stuff they sell to the public isn't the same stuff Law Enforcement gets.
I am sure that people willing to use pepper spray on police would be savvy enough to not have to rely on retail purchases.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:34:57pm |
re: #5 ggt
More than anyone should ever need to know about financial warrants.
Seems there is no end to the way derivatives are used.
Derivatives will be what takes the fabric of the world economy apart. I don't remember just now, mmm good long after dinner wine, but derivatives are some 16? times the worlds total GDP and headed for toast (btw - that is an awesome number way beyond the 15 trillion of U.S. debt. We will still get our SS checks but they won't buy a can of tuna let alone pay the the rent. *sigh* Let's elect some more self serving politicians ... you know, the good talkers fed by wall st. who soothe us into numbness and enslave our children and grandchildren while living high on the hog.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:40:39pm |
re: #271 Bobibutu
Derivatives will be what takes the fabric of the world economy apart. I don't remember just now, mmm good long after dinner wine, but derivatives are some 16? times the worlds total GDP and headed for toast (btw - that is an awesome number way beyond the 15 trillion of U.S. debt. We will still get our SS checks but they won't buy a can of tuna let alone pay the the rent. *sigh* Let's elect some more self serving politicians ... you know, the good talkers fed by wall st. who soothe us into numbness and enslave our children and grandchildren while living high on the hog.
One man's derivative is another man's tulip bulb. Sooner or later, they'll correct. Things will get messy when it does.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:46:50pm |
re: #266 000G
Anyone thinking they can out think or out act, over the long term Leo's, on their terms are eligible for a free pass to psych counseling. Yeah, quick razor blade cuts and ripped uniforms and spray - oh my. Not a wise approach as said before. When one lets their testosterone and/or adrenalin override rational thinking ... they are fucked - or terminated due to their own stupidity and lack of understanding how the real world works. If you are going to protest - take Gandhi as your your model - he brought down the British Rule in India ... Hello!
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laZardo Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:49:17pm |
re: #274 Bobibutu
If you are going to protest - take Gandhi as your your model - he brought down the British Rule in India ... Hello!
Gandhi got shot by a Hindu extremist and India/Pakistan ended up divided on religious lines just as he feared.
[yeah, not feeling any more hopeful than I usually am.]
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Bob Dillon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:50:01pm |
re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
One man's derivative is another man's tulip bulb. Sooner or later, they'll correct. Things will get messy when it does.
Messy? You are so genteel. At least someone got to grow flowers. If you don't hold it in you hand - you don't owns it! 600M of Global MF - poof. 0s and 1s on a server - do you own them? Hmmmmmmmm
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Bob Dillon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:51:54pm |
re: #275 laZardo
Gandhi got shot by a Hindu extremist and India/Pakistan ended up divided on religious lines just as he feared.
[yeah, not feeling any more hopeful than I usually am.]
True, but he still brought Britain to its knees without violence.
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Kragar Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:53:16pm |
re: #276 Bobibutu
Messy? You are so genteel. At least someone got to grow flowers. If you don't hold it in you hand - you don't owns it! 600M of Global MF - poof. 0s and 1s on a server - do you own them? Hmmm
I'm working to corner the markets on 0s.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:54:59pm |
re: #278 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm working to corner the markets on 0s.
Dude! Lets work in tandem. May the Hunts silver effort never be forgotten.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:00:22am |
re: #274 Bobibutu
You are talking about your ideal version of events. I am talking about a mutually enforced cycle of escalation, which seems to be what is actually happening.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:07:02am |
re: #270 000G
I am sure that people willing to use pepper spray on police would be savvy enough to not have to rely on retail purchases.
mil and leo standard shit is kick ass - mmm, I wonder where my breath went? Doublemint or something?. Bear spray will get yur ass eaten if you don't have experience. - well in Alaska anyway - I don't know about lower 48. But I'm not willing to test it out.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:13:32am |
re: #280 000G
You are talking about your ideal version of events. I am talking about a mutually enforced cycle of escalation, which seems to be what is actually happening.
If the protestors swell to beyond local capabilities - the governor of the state in question can escalate up to and including to the point of civil war - i.e., Syria. Welcome to politics and who controls military action - like it or not.
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Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:21:19am |
re: #282 Bobibutu
If the protestors swell to beyond local capabilities - the governor of the state in question can escalate up to and including to the point of civil war - i.e., Syria. Welcome to politics and who controls military action - like it or not.
Additionally, the dead shall rise, Cthulhu will awaken and the Cubs will win the world series.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:27:27am |
re: #282 Bobibutu
If the protestors swell to beyond local capabilities - the governor of the state in question can escalate up to and including to the point of civil war - i.e., Syria. Welcome to politics and who controls military action - like it or not.
I am well aware of this, thank you.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:27:48am |
re: #280 000G
I am on your side 000G - but ... we are hosed unless it goes over the top - too many pussies to make it in MNSHO. The Dem's, Repub's, are all entrenched and playing us with their rhetoric. We are brainwashed on what to think vs. how to think from 1st grade on. Perfect little tax payers. There other options ...
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:29:55am |
re: #284 000G
Wine and clear expression sometimes conflicts. I hope you have not been offended.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:32:26am |
We can't stop here. This is Ron Paul country!
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:34:03am |
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Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:34:52am |
re: #287 000G
We can't stop here. This is Ron Paul country!
I just wanted to carve a little P on your forehead.
/
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:36:17am |
re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I just wanted to carve a little P on your forehead.
/
I am not going to rise to that one. /
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laZardo Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:36:29am |
re: #287 000G
We can't stop here. This is Ron Paul country!
...I want the GOP to nominate Ron Paul.
For all the lulz that will ensue. :3
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:38:24am |
re: #291 laZardo
...I want the GOP to nominate Ron Paul.
For all the lulz that will ensue. :3
He will go 3rd pty if at all.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:41:22am |
Having carpaccio for breakfast. Living large.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:49:51am |
re: #293 000G
Having carpaccio for breakfast. Living large.
Well, You are invited to the west coast and a tour of "The Open Ward" (Berkeley - UCB) on me ... really, it can be nice but its good to have an experienced guide. My daughter (31) has it down now as a 5th Gen. Bay Area Chick.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:52:51am |
That's a very generous offer, thanks.
The carpaccio tasted like crap, so I threw it out and just made some eggs.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 1:03:51am |
Don't think it would be anytime soon. Am out of the country atm and when I'm in I am usually in the East Coast.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 1:04:15am |
re: #295 000G
The dtr has some locks on a few B&Bs in the Berkeley hills - nice, mind blowing & inexpensive - she & her B/F had me over for dinner (she cooked) last trip thru ... not to be missed ... sleeping, crash pad (cooking extra) if staying in the BA. Downhill all the way to Bezerkeley.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 1:08:35am |
re: #297 000G
Whatever. Would like to meet you. Have connection get-togethers for Lizards every year or three at Rossmoor, Walnut Creek.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 19, 2011 1:19:25am |
Yeah well, after checking out 1:37 a couple of times - I realized my face was hosed long before that ... but i finally got it.
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BongCrodny Sat, Nov 19, 2011 1:29:34am |
re: #258 freetoken
Santorum is probably the least "rich" of the lot. Two are scions of wealthy families, two have made money on the lecture circuit, one has worked a variety of very well paying jobs, one is well greased from the payola of the Texas oil industry, and one has (with her husband) worked the federal and state programs teats for some time.
Santorum is just another lawyer (whose father happened to work for the government (VA)), and was probably paid well by Vince McMahon when the latter was trying to dodge the 'roid scandal.
I just read a story that estimated Santorum's wealth as being between $1 and $2 million. That's not bad for a man firmly attached to Uncle Sam's nipple for much of his adult life.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:20:28am |
Morning, all. Our gun-toting methmeister is still loose out there. The boy seems to have some natural skills--he evaded a zilion cops, k9s, helicopters and night-vision stuff all night.
[Link: www.rickeystokesnews.com...]
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:21:41am |
This New York Times article on the Near Poor is worth reading.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
And unrelated, darkly cynical thought of the day: The idiot corporations have moved industries offshore to the developing world, while fighting efforts to combat AGW. The result of AGW is going to be devastation by natural forces, which will first have the greatest effect in-- the developing world.
Good job thinking that one through, guys.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:22:54am |
re: #304 Decatur Deb
Is he perhaps a bitter ex-Ranger who has had difficulty assimilating into society after his return from war?
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:02am |
re: #304 Decatur Deb
That's a lot of typos by Mr. Stokes. Is he more of a hobbyist journalist, or a real actually-gets-a-paycheck one?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:50am |
re: #304 Decatur Deb
Morning, all. Our gun-toting methmeister is still loose out there. The boy seems to have some natural skills--he evaded a zilion cops, k9s, helicopters and night-vision stuff all night.
[Link: www.rickeystokesnews.com...]
Sounds like Rambocky.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:25:53am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:26:02am |
Mom upset that Hooters waitress is guest speaker at Pinellas school
"It's just the wrong message," said Ashley Dominicci, 32, a paralegal whose son is a sixth-grader. "I feel like we're telling them (the students) that you're the bad kids, and this is all you'll be in life.
"I'm not knocking waitresses. They're very hard-working," Dominicci said. "My point is, these kids should have higher goals."
...
The waitress, Brittany Morgan, 23, said she understands why the mom is upset and respects her opinion.
"But I'm confident there was nothing wrong with my presentation," she said. "Most of us (Hooters waitresses) are going to school. We're aspiring to do other things in life. This isn't our career."
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Dear cranky bitch,
Please STFU and stop trying to act as if you aren't insulting people while insulting them. Douche.
Love,
CCA
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:29:40am |
re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar
Geez. Had to take the pencil to that post. Twice!!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:30:09am |
re: #306 Obdicut
Is he perhaps a bitter ex-Ranger who has had difficulty assimilating into society after his return from war?
No indication. More likely a fairly bright loser who knows his backyard. The mug shot doesn't show the usual methed-out imbecile. He's said he won't go easy, but that's not unusual the first day or so out. The area is a few miles away, but not close or scary enough to require loading a 12-gauge.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:30:29am |
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:32:27am |
re: #305 Obdicut
This New York Times article on the Near Poor is worth reading.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
And unrelated, darkly cynical thought of the day: The idiot corporations have moved industries offshore to the developing world, while fighting efforts to combat AGW. The result of AGW is going to be devastation by natural forces, which will first have the greatest effect in-- the developing world.
Good job thinking that one through, guys.
Remember the mantra, Obdi: "Out of sight, out of mind." If I can get a TV for dirt cheap, then the fact that Chinese laborers who get paid pocket change and live in villages that are little more than cancer-ridden slums matters not to me. After all, if they were meant to live healthy, prosperous lives, the "free market" would have made it so.
///
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:32:54am |
re: #307 Obdicut
That's a lot of typos by Mr. Stokes. Is he more of a hobbyist journalist, or a real actually-gets-a-paycheck one?
Runs his own site, probably monetized by the ads. He's right often enough to be a PIA to the local LEOs.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:37:41am |
re: #315 Decatur Deb
I just want to let him know that spellchecker's exist, and are free. Maybe he feels the typos gives his writing a more down-home quality.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:40:51am |
re: #316 Obdicut
I just want to let him know that spellchecker's exist, and are free. Maybe he feels the typos gives his writing a more down-home quality.
He's not faking it. For decades a local bank had a huge bronze plaque, costing big bucks, on the architecture. "Depository" was spelled wrong.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:42:55am |
re: #317 Decatur Deb
One of the things that first told me that I was going to like New York better than I might have at first thought was that they use the phrase "momentarily" correctly on the subway announcements.
As in "Ladies and gentleman, due to congestion ahead we are being momentarily held and will be on our way soon" and NOT "we are being held and will momentarily be on our way".
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:43:57am |
re: #317 Decatur Deb
He's not faking it. For decades a local bank had a huge bronze plaque, costing big bucks, on the architecture. "Depository" was spelled wrong.
A local tattoo store had a misspelling in the word "hygienic" on the fixture on the front until I pointed it out to them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:46:22am |
re: #319 000G
A local tattoo store had a misspelling in the word "hygienic" on the fixture on the front until I pointed it out to them.
A local high skool here sold Tshirts for the millennium. "Millenium". Sold about 500 of them. They were a rival so fuck 'em.:)
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:47:47am |
re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar
A local high skool here sold Tshirts for the millennium. "Millenium". Sold about 500 of them. They were a rival so fuck 'em.:)
If only there had been spell checker when picking one's nic...
//
Not to nit pick mind you.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:48:41am |
Speaking of high skool, my old skool opened football playoffs last night. Kid for the other team spent his week talking shit about how our defense wasn't really that good. Final score? 55-2. Bitch. Heh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:49:37am |
re: #322 rwdflynavy
If only there had been spell checker when picking one's nic...
//Not to nit pick mind you.
SHUTTY!!!!
///
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:01am |
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:08:09am |
re: #325 Decatur Deb
This bit from the story confused me:
Earlier today Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes and Deputy Rick Clemmons encountered the suspect in a vehicle chase near Ashford. The subject was on a motorcycle and was able to elude the officers. Later the suspect was reported to have knocked on a door. When no one answered he found a farm truck with the keys in it and stole the truck.
Were the people home, but didn't answer the door? If they weren't home, how did anyone know that he knocked on the door?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:01am |
(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi's son and heir apparent Saif al-Islam has been detained in the southern desert, Libya's interim justice minister and other officials said on Saturday.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:51am |
re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar
(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi's son and heir apparent Saif al-Islam has been detained in the southern desert, Libya's interim justice minister and other officials said on Saturday.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Whoopsie!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:15:48am |
re: #326 Obdicut
This bit from the story confused me:
Were the people home, but didn't answer the door? If they weren't home, how did anyone know that he knocked on the door?
Guessing either bad reporting, or the word spread and people were smart enough not to open their door. (This has been going on for about 2 days now.)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:17:33am |
Video of egg supplier for McDonald's. McDonald's has dropped them as a supplier. (this video isn't nice)
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:22:01am |
re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar
Video of egg supplier for McDonald's. McDonald's has dropped them as a supplier. (this video isn't nice)
[Video]
Takes a bit of the fun out of PETA jokes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:57am |
re: #331 Decatur Deb
Takes a bit of the fun out of PETA jokes.
Someone posted a video a year or two ago here (Thanos, maybe) where an egg farm was throwing male chicks (useless at an egg farm) into a grinder. This won't make me stop eating eggs but I would prefer eggs from free range chickens. We also have a Mexican grocery here that sells chicken, and the wings are huge because the chickens are free range.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:38:49am |
re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar
Someone posted a video a year or two ago here (Thanos, maybe) where an egg farm was throwing male chicks (useless at an egg farm) into a grinder. This won't make me stop eating eggs but I would prefer eggs from free range chickens. We also have a Mexican grocery here that sells chicken, and the wings are huge because the chickens are free range.
We raised household chickens very successfully in KY for a few years. Recently researched the town rules here that say we have just enough yard to do it legally. Trying to decide about the bother.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:43:33am |
re: #333 Decatur Deb
We raised household chickens very successfully in KY for a few years. Recently researched the town rules here that say we have just enough yard to do it legally. Trying to decide about the bother.
I considered that for my house but I couldn't kill/clean a chicken. The last animal I killed was a mouse. Had to whack it with a stick (Was a new restaurant. How he got in I don't know) and I felt horrible. But he was gonna die anyway. He had obviously gotten into some poison.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:50:59am |
re: #334 Cannadian Club Akbar
I considered that for my house but I couldn't kill/clean a chicken. The last animal I killed was a mouse. Had to whack it with a stick (Was a new restaurant. How he got in I don't know) and I felt horrible. But he was gonna die anyway. He had obviously gotten into some poison.
Our KY chickens were highly-developed egglayers, and less than marginal value as meat. After a couple I just didn't bother killing them. As a pre-schooler I had the job of holding a farmer's chickens on a stump, just like the cartoons. Had to chase more than one headless hen around the property. (Would never kill needlessly, even doing catch- and-release on palmetto bugs.)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:54:04am |
I just looked up the cost to renew my ServSafe certifikit. I thought it was gonna be $114, but since I am only renewing and don't need the training class, it's only $55. Nice.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:54:38am |
re: #335 Decatur Deb
I'll kill a palmetto bug with a bazooka, given the chance.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:56:34am |
re: #337 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll kill a palmetto bug with a bazooka, given the chance.
"Bug in the open, 200 yds, HEAT round, HEAT."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:56:53am |
re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar
The things that happen where animals are farmed are staggering.
No one "free range" supplier can begin to touch the volume needed by McDonalds; much less America.
Stick a camera in McDonald's next supplier's facility? You'll find the same practices.
I eat eggs and dairy; frankly I should stop again. But, I'm weak and I probably won't.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:59:36am |
re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar
(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi's son and heir apparent Saif al-Islam has been detained in the southern desert, Libya's interim justice minister and other officials said on Saturday.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
NTC lied about it so many times (like, he was captured 3 or 4, if not more, times already) that I won't believe it till I see it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:04:47am |
re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just looked up the cost to renew my ServSafe certifikit. I thought it was gonna be $114, but since I am only renewing and don't need the training class, it's only $55. Nice.
This is a fuckin' racket. Newbie training manual/class/test is $210. Sheesh.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:08:08am |
re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is a fuckin' racket. Newbie training manual/class/test is $210. Sheesh.
USDA thing? Or Florida?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:10:15am |
re: #333 Decatur Deb
We raised household chickens very successfully in KY for a few years. Recently researched the town rules here that say we have just enough yard to do it legally. Trying to decide about the bother.
I've thought about it too. I may try it someday but tending the critters and later killing them might be more than I'm willing to do.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:10:29am |
re: #343 Decatur Deb
USDA thing? Or Florida?
[Link: www.safestaff.org...]
The USDA test is different. I don't need that but I almost went to work at a produce production facility years ago and would have needed it there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:13:40am |
re: #343 Decatur Deb
USDA thing? Or Florida?
Also, there are 2 test. One for managers and one for employees. If a restaurant is open and serving food, someone in the restaurant has to have a manager certifikit or else they can close the place on the spot. (they never do or I have never heard of that happening) The test I'll take is 80 or so questions and is given by the state. The one for employees is 8-10 questions and can be given by a manager.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:17:15am |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
I've thought about it too. I may try it someday but tending the critters and later killing them might be more than I'm willing to do.
When I was a boy, we lost a cow after she'd given birth to a calf in the dead of winter. We named the calf "Orphan Annie" and put her in Granny's basement until Spring.
Annie, while still a dumb cow, thought she was a people (the way my Granny used to say it). And would approach children and nuzzle her head against them.
When a fifteen hundred pound cow "nuzzles" a child, it normally includes a momentary defying the law of gravity and the child flies. Many entire family conversations were centered around "Annie".
We ate her.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:20:56am |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
I've thought about it too. I may try it someday but tending the critters and later killing them might be more than I'm willing to do.
See #335. I actually forget how we got rid of older chickens once I decided slaughtering wasn't worth it. Gave the whole bit away when we moved.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:21:22am |
re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
When I was a boy, we lost a cow after she'd given birth to a calf in the dead of winter. We named the calf "Orphan Annie" and put her in Granny's basement. Annie, while still a dumb cow, thought she was a people (the way my Granny used to say it). And would approach children and nuzzle her head against them.
When a fifteen hundred pound cow "nuzzles" a child, it normally includes a momentary defying the law of gravity and the child flies. Many entire family conversations were centered around "Annie".
We ate her.
Heh. I'm pretty sure my attempts and raising livestock would end up with a bunch of new pets.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:22:14am |
Foreign hackers hit public water system
Then he provided screenshots of what looked like diagrams of water and waste water treatment facilities in South Houston, Texas.
Asked how he broke into systems, pr0f said: ''As for how I did it, it's usually a combination of poor configuration of services, bad password choice and no restrictions on who can access the interfaces.''
Pr0f's Twitter profile picture shows a V for Vendetta, or Guy Fawkes, mask, which is used by people who participate in online activism and hacking as part of the Anonymous collective.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:22:21am |
re: #349 Killgore Trout
Heh. I'm pretty sure my attempts and raising livestock would end up with a bunch of new pets.
You're not doing frogs for the legs?
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:23:00am |
re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As trivial as it is, I always like the custom of thanking the animal for its meat. It's a total anthropomorphizing ritual that's easy to make fun of, but I think it does ask people to realize that a sacrifice has occurred.
My ultra-survivalist friend (who I hadn't thought of in awhile, just corresponded with, and got an adorable photo of him and his daughter working on constructing a tepee together) every time he kills an animal while hunting, says something along the lines of "Thank you for your meat and your hide. I promise to make use of every part of you I can. I tried to give you the best death that I could." And then he does. He doesn't throw away the hide, nor the bones, nor nearly anything, but makes what use he can of it all.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:25:14am |
re: #350 Killgore Trout
So if you read back over that thread, you'll find that the DHS only investigated reports, they didn't say it actually happened. The Illinois company that was reputedly targeted has denied it, saying there was no attack and no failure. Nobody can provide any proof that there actually was.
The incident in Texas is also unproven, with the hacker just having stated he penetrated-- and that he did so not in order to cause any harm, but to raise awareness of the problem. Since he did not specify how he hacked the system, the vulnerability, or anything else, it's hard to confirm his story. Even if he did do it, it was white-hat hacking; letting a system know that it is vulnerable. If that is Anon, it's Anon being helpful.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:25:19am |
re: #352 Obdicut
Not trivial at all. If you have to kill an animal, it is the least you can do.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:27:59am |
re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not trivial at all. If you have to kill an animal, it is the least you can do.
I agree. And he only uses traps that provide a quick death, not ones that simply catch the animal until they starve to death. He finds those unbelievably inhumane. He points out that the natural world rarely provides a good death for an animal; most succumb to disease, injury, starvation, or the predation of another animal-- and that by 'ethical' hunting or trapping you can actually give an animal a better death than they'd otherwise face.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:36:57am |
I'm ordering a couple personalized chefs coat this afternoon. I can have 3 lines of text embroidered on them. I'm thinking about putting CCA under my name. No one will know what it means but people will think I'm a member of some association. Heh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:39:47am |
re: #355 Obdicut
Same could be said for Human Beings.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:41:14am |
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:42:24am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Same could be said for Human Beings.
You mean, killing them is giving them a better end than most face 'in the wild'?
Not really. We have access to painkillers. But I support the right to self-euthanize among the critically ill, to forestall that sort of animal suffering.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:43:02am |
re: #351 Decatur Deb
You're not doing frogs for the legs?
Nah, these Pacific Tree Frogs don't have enough meat on them. Even with the frogs I have a tendency to give them names. Chickens or pigs would end up in the house having play time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:45:51am |
Work requires the absence of my presence for now.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:46:40am |
re: #353 Obdicut
So if you read back over that thread, you'll find that the DHS only investigated reports, they didn't say it actually happened. The Illinois company that was reputedly targeted has denied it, saying there was no attack and no failure. Nobody can provide any proof that there actually was.
The incident in Texas is also unproven, with the hacker just having stated he penetrated-- and that he did so not in order to cause any harm, but to raise awareness of the problem. Since he did not specify how he hacked the system, the vulnerability, or anything else, it's hard to confirm his story. Even if he did do it, it was white-hat hacking; letting a system know that it is vulnerable. If that is Anon, it's Anon being helpful.
There are conflicting reports from the utilities in question. From what I can tell this morning the name of the original utility was an error, it was a different water station. It's being investigated, we'll learn more as this develops.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:47:56am |
re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do it.
If anyone asks?
"Culinary Creation Association"
There is no CCA but there is a CCC.
[Link: www.culinarycreations.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:49:58am |
re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar
There is no CCA but there is a CCC.
[Link: www.culinarycreations.com...]
Thanksgiving dinner-$31 per person. I'm in the wrong business.:)
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:56:59am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
There are conflicting reports from the utilities in question. From what I can tell this morning the name of the original utility was an error, it was a different water station. It's being investigated, we'll learn more as this develops.
No, dude. Look back at the thread. Here's what happened:
1. A report released by a state fusion center and obtained by a "security expert' claimed that the Springfield, Ill city water system was hacked and a pump destroyed.
2. The Springfield, Ill city water utility denies this.
3. DHS and the FBI say they're investigating.
4. Someone speculates it might be Curran-Gardner Public Water District. They don't comment.
5. The hackers there are speculated to be Russian in origin, but details are hazy.
6. A hacker, the proF guy you're talking about, claims to have penetrated an entirely different system, down in Texas, for the purpose of demonstrating the vulnerability. He does no damage, specifically stating he is not a vandal, nor does he reveal the vulnerability of the system.
So, the hacker of the utility down in Texas has nothing at all to do with the original hack from the Russian IPs-- if that one actually did occur, which is still unverified. And the hacker down in Texas, who is the Anon type you identify, explicitly states he's an ethical hacker who does not do vandalism.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:00:07am |
re: #365 Obdicut
You're obviously an Anon apologist and a moonbat.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:02:40am |
re: #365 Obdicut
If the attack is unverified, whence the talk of the "Russian IPs"? Or was there an access but there is a question whether it's related to any damage?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:07:20am |
Here's a CNet article on the incident: Was U.S. water utility hacked last week?
Update 3:42 p.m. PT November 18: An official at Curran-Gardner Townships Public Water District near Springfield, Illinois, told The State Journal-Register newspaper that the incident occurred at their water facility. "Whether the burnout of that pump was related to this what might or might not have been a hacking, we don't know," Don Craven, a water district trustee, is quoted as saying.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:07:43am |
re: #367 Sergey Romanov
If the attack is unverified, whence the talk of the "Russian IPs"? Or was there an access but there is a question whether it's related to any damage?
It's unknown how much of this is circular confirmation, but:
The Department of Homeland Security's Industrial Control System-Cyber Emergency Response Team, when queried by reporters, revealed that a utility company in Springfield, Illinois was hacked.
And:
The details beyond that are hazy. As Wired pointed out, one of Springfield's water utility companies is City Water, Light and Power. A spokeswoman at the company denied that an incident had occurred there, and suggested that it may have happened to systems managed by another utility company, Curran-Gardner Public Water District. Curran-Gardner refused to comment.
The Illinois Statewide Terrorism and Intelligence Center released a "Public Water District Cyber Intrusion" report on November 10 that indicates that hackers may have had access to the system since September. Hackers using Russian IP addresses hacked the software vendor that makes the system. They were then able to access the vendor's database of usernames and passwords, and used the stolen credentials for remote access to the SCADA system's network. These vendors keep records of their customer's access information for maintenance and upgrading the systems.
So, I don't know if these two centers are keying off each other's reports in order to release this info, or not. Assuming that there is a credible original report, then it appears Russian or Russian-appearing hackers compromised a software vendor and then used that to access the system, which had a side effect, intentional or unintentional, of burning out a pump.
There is no reason to believe we know anything about these hackers, other than that they used Russian IP addresses, from any of these reports.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:10:52am |
re: #368 Killgore Trout
Interesting:
The water utility had noticed minor glitches in the remote access to the SCADA system for two to three months before it was identified as a cyber attack, Weiss said. This is similar to the 2000 hacking (PDF) in Queensland, Australia, in which a wastewater treatment plant failed to notice dozens of attempts to access the system. Using wireless radio and stolen control software, a consultant on the project who was angry over not getting a job was eventually able to get in and release up to one million liters of sewage into the river and coastal areas, killing marine life and turning a creek black.
So, it's this Weiss dude, who's an 'industry provocateur', who wants people to take hacking more seriously, who's the main guy making the claim that the damage occurred and was hacking related.
And this has occurred before, as far back as 2000, and it was a disgruntled employee who did it.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:14:02am |
re: #340 Sergey Romanov
NTC lied about it so many times (like, he was captured 3 or 4, if not more, times already) that I won't believe it till I see it.
Wasn't the same the case with Osama?
scnr
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:22:32am |
JONESBORO, Ga. (CBS Atlanta) – Police charge two caregivers at a Jonesboro facility with waterboarding an 89-year-old woman.
Clayton County police said Jermeller Steed and Cicely Reed held down Anna Foley after an argument that started over ice cream.
[Link: atlanta.cbslocal.com...]
Uh....I got nothin'.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:26:07am |
re: #370 Obdicut
Interesting:
So, it's this Weiss dude, who's an 'industry provocateur', who wants people to take hacking more seriously, who's the main guy making the claim that the damage occurred and was hacking related.
And this has occurred before, as far back as 2000, and it was a disgruntled employee who did it.
I thought that was interesting too. That's why I like outlets like CNet on stuff like this. MSM reporting on stuff like this always gets a bit questionable because the reporters and editors don't have much of an understanding of the culture, technology or terminology. This get confused. As to the "industry provocateur" label, it's entirely possible the guy is trying to sell his services to utility companies. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:29:19am |
Norway Cyber Attack Targets Country's Oil, Gas Systems
Norway's National Security Authority (NSM) on Friday confirmed that systems associated with the country's oil, gas, and energy sectors were hit with a cyber attack, resulting in a loss of sensitive information.
"I can confirm that the Norwegian National Security Authority has revealed a computer espionage operation especially targeted towards businesses within the oil and gas sector, the energy sector and military industry," Kjetil Berg Veire, head of information at the NSM, said in an email.
In a translated statement, NSM said that the virus spread via malware-infected emails that were sent to "selected individuals in large Norwegian companies." Once the viruses were unleashed, they would steal information from the computer, like documents, industrial drawings, users names, and passwords.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:32:24am |
Somebody out there is up to something.
/Capt. Obvious
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:32:33am |
re: #373 Killgore Trout
Do you get that the Anon guy involved in the story, the one who (at least claims to) have hacked the system down in Texas, is a white-hat hacker who says that he's against vandalism and is revealing security flaws so that they can be fixed?
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:36:41am |
I'm afraid we have no choice but to shut down the internet to prevent any future hacking attacks.
Last call for internet! Last call for freedom of speech!
Internet Über Alles!
//
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:37:38am |
re: #376 Obdicut
Do you get that the Anon guy involved in the story, the one who (at least claims to) have hacked the system down in Texas, is a white-hat hacker who says that he's against vandalism and is revealing security flaws so that they can be fixed?
I don't know if I'd consider him white hat. I did read his post saying that he's not into mindless vandalism or sabotage but I don't know enough about him, his affiliations or past activities. I'm well aware that there's a revolving door between Hackers and Cyber Security Consultants, there's a fine line between the two. However, I could also see the same "white hat" rationalization for wikileaks and Bradley Manning. They could claim they're just exposing lax security. These things aren't really black and white, there's a whole lot of grey. I wouldn't venture a guess either way given the information available.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:40:16am |
re: #378 Killgore Trout
Also, We really don't know if "pr0f" is really anon, if he was acting on behalf on anon or even if he really did it of if he's just claiming responsibility.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:41:52am |
re: #371 000G
Wasn't the same the case with Osama?
scnr
The US govt declared him to be killed 3-4 times?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:43:02am |
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:43:33am |
re: #378 Killgore Trout
I don't know if I'd consider him white hat. I did read his post saying that he's not into mindless vandalism or sabotage but I don't know enough about him, his affiliations or past activities.
Well, sure. But you have no proof or reason to believe he's not white hat.
However, I could also see the same "white hat" rationalization for wikileaks and Bradley Manning.
Well, no, since they explicitly stated their reasons and they have nothing to do with helping the military beef up security. And white hat people don't release sensitive data, they just notify about the existence of a security hole. At most, Wikileaks is 'grey hat'.
I wouldn't venture a guess either way given the information available.
But you did. You not only ventured a guess, you said that the original attack was a hack by Anonymous.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:44:46am |
A story with two parts:
Pt 1.
Mr Harmon, a disabled USAF vet hung a large flag on his local apartment complex door. When he left it up for a few days after Veteran's Day a neighbor or two complained to the apartment manager, who insisted it be taken down. It violates the complex's "outdoor signage" provision.
Pt. 2
"The biggest show of support, though, began Friday and was scheduled to last through Saturday. James Cunningham, who served in the Army for eight years, organized a protest for those days near the apartment.
At about the time the protest started, a high-ranking official from Sun Belt Management visited Harmon and told him the company supports America and apologized for the incident.
(The official) Beaver, a World War II veteran, later contacted media outlets and issued an apology, as well.
“I am 85 years old, a World War II veteran, and I still cry when the national anthem is played,” he said. “As far as I am concerned, (Harmon) can fly 10 flags outside his apartment.”
Beaver said government-subsidized housing has certain regulations regarding ornamentation, and the apartment manager made “a bad mistake” in thinking the American flag would be included in that description."
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:54:23am |
re: #382 Sergey Romanov
re: #380 Killgore Trout
Interesting that you're now saying the same things people were telling you yesterday, but yesterday apparently you left in anger.
I'm not saying anything different than I did yesterday. PCworld and CNet are also mentioning the DHS memo warning about Anon. It's not unreasonable to bring it up. I'm interested in discussing it and trying to figure out what's going on but I see your eager to drag it back into bogus outrageous outrage and personal smears which I'm not interested in.
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:55:45am |
Killgore -
You could be making some good coin:
Lobbying firm's memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street
By Jonathan Larsen and Ken Olshansky, MSNBC TVA well-known Washington lobbying firm with links to the financial industry has proposed an $850,000 plan to take on Occupy Wall Street and politicians who might express sympathy for the protests, according to a memo obtained by the MSNBC program “Up w/ Chris Hayes.”
The proposal was written on the letterhead of the lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford and addressed to one of CLGC’s clients, the American Bankers Association.
CLGC’s memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct “opposition research” on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct “negative narratives” about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:56:13am |
re: #383 Obdicut
But you did. You not only ventured a guess, you said that the original attack was a hack by Anonymous.
I mentioned the DHS memo, which is also being pointed out by various news outlets. It's not unreasonable to bring up.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:56:45am |
Dear lord this is a lot of fail.
[Link: www.lolbrary.com...]
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:59:00am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
I mentioned the DHS memo, which is also being pointed out by various news outlets. It's not unreasonable to bring up.
You went beyond that. The basic problem was that you though pr0f was taking credit for the attack, when he wasn't. And then you left as people tried to explain that to you.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:59:10am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I see your eager to drag it back into bogus outrageous outrage and personal smears which I'm not interested in.
Pfft.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:59:33am |
re: #386 Talking Point Detective
What a waste of money. OWS is a self correcting problem. I'm sure they'll do a reboot in the spring with something different but OWS in its current form is probably pretty much over with.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:00:34am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I'm not saying anything different than I did yesterday.
Actually, yes you are. Yesterday, you said pr0f was taking credit for the attack, which is untrue. Today, you appear to understand that the attack (if it did, in fact, occur) and the probing of the system down in Texas are entirely different things.
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:02:39am |
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Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:03:41am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:04:58am |
re: #388 Obdicut
Dear lord this is a lot of fail.
[Link: www.lolbrary.com...]
Tell me this is a photoshop! please!
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:05:52am |
re: #391 Killgore Trout
What a waste of money. OWS is a self correcting problem. I'm sure they'll do a reboot in the spring with something different but OWS in its current form is probably pretty much over with.
Nice way to cover your ass, Killgore.
"OWS is a very new phenomenon. In it's current formation, there are some real problems. In due time, they may address some of those problems and become more successful. But if they do that, because I need to feel 'vindicated,' I will point out that they changed, and thus my determination that OWS is a failure will not mean that I was wrong about anything."
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:06:40am |
re: #395 Sergey Romanov
I doubt it. it's got little details like clouds of exhaust from when they're revving the engine.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:07:51am |
re: #392 Obdicut
Yesterday, you said pr0f was taking credit for the attack, which is untrue.
I'm honestly confused. Is he not taking credit? I pointed that out yesterday and as far as I can tell today he's still taking credit for it. I thought we were all in agreement that.
Foreign hackers hit public water system
Meanwhile, a hacker has told the tech website CNET he hacked into a South Houston water utility to show it can easily be done, after officials downplayed the Illinois cyber attack.
The hacker, using the alias ''pr0f'', said he has hacked other SCADA systems, too.
Then he provided screenshots of what looked like diagrams of water and waste water treatment facilities in South Houston, Texas.
Asked how he broke into systems, pr0f said: ''As for how I did it, it's usually a combination of poor configuration of services, bad password choice and no restrictions on who can access the interfaces.''
He admits to hacking into various utilities and cites the one in Huston specifically.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:08:22am |
re: #397 Obdicut
I doubt it. it's got little details like clouds of exhaust from when they're revving the engine.
Second crane is faked.
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
I've seen the car falling shots before. First time I saw the one with the crane falling in which was faked.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:10:38am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
He has hacked into one utility and made screenshots.
Yesterday you were talking of 2 "attacks" (as if they were similar) and wrote that prof was taking a credit for "the attack", without distinguishing between the 2 events. I can find that comment, if necessary.
In a way a hacking can be said to be an "attack", if one wants to describe it in a hostile way, but it's not the same as actually damaging the pump.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:10:39am |
Clearly there's a hacking problem in the USA! We have no choice but to create the Federal Cyber Command Agency at a cost of 1 zillion dollars a year and close down mpg and movie sharing websites at the same time while felonizing said crimes. Cost of agency to include new prisons.
We'll be safe then.
//
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:11:00am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
I'm honestly confused. Is he not taking credit?
I'm not sure how much simpler I can make this for you.
1. The ATTACK occurred in Illinois (if it actually occurred, which is probably but not proved.)
2. A NOT-ATTACK-AT-ALL hack is claimed by this guy pr0f to have been done by him in Texas for the purpose of demonstrating vulnerability. He specifically states he's not a vandal so he's specifically NOT TAKING CREDIT for the attack in Illinois.
For whatever reason, you keep conflating these over and over.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:11:33am |
re: #399 Gus 802
Yeah, I just noticed the crowd is the same on two of the shots.
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Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:11:42am |
re: #399 Gus 802
Second crane is faked.
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
I've seen the car falling shots before. First time I saw the one with the crane falling in which was faked.
Aw man, you've completely ruined it.
//
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:12:51am |
re: #403 Obdicut
Yeah, I just noticed the crowd is the same on two of the shots.
Yeah. You can see the same two people on the right standing in the very same position.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:13:39am |
re: #404 Sionainn
Aw man, you've completely ruined it.
//
Lies! Snopes is a Democrat run operation!
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:13:59am |
re: #399 Gus 802
Yeah, the second one is just to far away from water to make a transition to the next foto.
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Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:14:15am |
re: #406 Gus 802
Lies! Snopes is a Democrat run operation!
//
Okay, you made me laugh again. It's all good now.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:15:16am |
On the last lolbrary photo it's the same crane recolored, heh. (They should've made it bigger.)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:22:08am |
re: #402 Obdicut
I'm not sure how much simpler I can make this for you.
1. The ATTACK occurred in Illinois (if it actually occurred, which is probably but not proved.)
2. A NOT-ATTACK-AT-ALL hack is claimed by this guy pr0f to have been done by him in Texas for the purpose of demonstrating vulnerability. He specifically states he's not a vandal so he's specifically NOT TAKING CREDIT for the attack in Illinois.
For whatever reason, you keep conflating these over and over.
Ok, that explains it. I was using the terms "hack" and "attack" interchangeably. There was no malicious intent and shouldn't be a source of outrageous outrage and wild accusations. We both understand that the "events" in Texas and Illinois are two different locations. Quite possibly done by different people, possibly using the same techniques and information.
I'm pretty sure we're more or less in agreement here, it shouldn't be and endless squabble.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:22:11am |
re: #410 ggt
Good morning from LA. Just made my tea. Tazo Awake.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:23:06am |
re: #412 Rightwingconspirator
Good morning from LA. Just made my tea. Tazo Awake.
Fresh Coffee for me!
It's a little earlier where you are.
:)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:23:55am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
it shouldn't be and endless squabble.
Agreed. From both sides. And I think it wouldn't have happened if the OWS-related discussions didn't sour relations.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:26:36am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
We both understand that the "events" in Texas and Illinois are two different locations. Quite possibly done by different people, possibly using the same techniques and information.
Sorry, but still squabble:
A) There is no reason at all to believe the people involved are the same.
B) The attack in Illinois involved the hack of a seperate entity, stealing their passwords, etc. and then using that authentication to hack the water system. What pr0f did he described as "This required almost no skill and could be reproduced by a two year old with a basic knowledge of Simatic." So there is also no reason to believe that the same techniques were used.
I'm pretty sure we're more or less in agreement here, it shouldn't be and endless squabble.
More or less, I guess, as long as you get the main point that there is no particular reason to believe any hack of an industrial system is by Anon just because Anon said that they'd like to hack industrial systems at some point.
And the only Anon guy involved in the story is at least claiming to be a non-vandal.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:27:49am |
re: #414 Sergey Romanov
Agreed. From both sides. And I think it wouldn't have happened if the OWS-related discussions didn't sour relations.
Agreed, That's why I just gave up yesterday. It seems most of the endless squabbling and accusations of smears is much more related to my not supporting OWS rather than the given topic of the moment. It becomes a pointless conversation at that point.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:28:38am |
re: #415 Obdicut
just because Anon said that they'd like to hack industrial systems at some point.
(Which I don't believe they said.)
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:28:55am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Agreed, That's why I just gave up yesterday. It seems most of the endless squabbling and accusations of smears is much more related to my not supporting OWS rather than the given topic of the moment. It becomes a pointless conversation at that point.
That's rather self-forgiving. The main problem was that people were objecting to you characterizing this as something done by Anon, when there was absolutely no reason to believe that Anon was responsible.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:29:39am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Agreed, That's why I just gave up yesterday. It seems most of the endless squabbling and accusations of smears is much more related to my not supporting OWS rather than the given topic of the moment. It becomes a pointless conversation at that point.
Nice one sided assessment. But carry on.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:29:53am |
re: #418 Sergey Romanov
(Which I don't believe they said.)
Sure, but even if someone on Anon said that, it doesn't matter in the least. Hamas would like to blow shit up in the US. That doesn't mean that if something blows up in the US there's any reason to believe Hamas was responsible.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:30:27am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Agreed, That's why I just gave up yesterday. It seems most of the endless squabbling and accusations of smears is much more related to my not supporting OWS rather than the given topic of the moment. It becomes a pointless conversation at that point.
No, KT. That's false framing. Nobody has a problem with, say, SFZ, who doesn't support OWS. (Neither Obdi or I support it either, incidentally, but let's stick with SFZ). Why? Because of how she goes about it. It's about attitude.
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:30:44am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
It seems most of the endless squabbling and accusations of smears is much more related to my not supporting OWS rather than the given topic of the moment. It becomes a pointless conversation at that point.
You really think that the disagreement is because of your "not supporting" OWS?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:31:44am |
re: #415 Obdicut
A) There is no reason at all to believe the people involved are the same.
That's why I said "Quite possibly done by different people" in the section you quoted.
B) Both attacks are exploiting the same weakness which is why "pr0f" used it to illustrate his point in response to the DHS statement about the incident in Illinois.
Dude, seriously, we are in agreement.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:32:21am |
OWS still stinks.
/just thought I'd throw that out there for good measure.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:32:41am |
re: #425 Killgore Trout
OWS still stinks.
/just thought I'd throw that out there for good measure.
I'll upding it just to spite you.
/
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:35:31am |
re: #425 Killgore Trout
OWS still stinks.
/just thought I'd throw that out there for good measure.
Fine with me. You're entitled to believe that.
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:35:42am |
re: #422 Sergey Romanov
For me, attitude doesn't quite cover it - it's disingenuity combined with willful self-deception about what's going on and a complete lack of accountability (at least WRT OWS).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:36:31am |
off to accomplish something.
Have a good on all!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:38:13am |
re: #428 Talking Point Detective
I doesn't bother me. A person can deceive him-/herself as long as they wish. When poor/demagogic methodology is used for attack purposes (plus all the gloating), now that's what I react to.
But it's been a useful lesson - I would probably be more careful in my own critique of the Tea Party if all this happened before it.
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:44:58am |
re: #430 Sergey Romanov
But it's been a useful lesson - I would probably be more careful in my own critique of the Tea Party if all this happened before it.
I agree. I took issue with much of the reaction to the Tea Party - for example, I said that characterizing them as "prot-Nazis" was bogus at a number of levels, but even there, I will be more circumspect in how I approach issues by virtue of how some folks are reacting to OWS.
As an example, I think that people should be more careful in how they approach the issue of the political ideology of the White House shooter.
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Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:49:33am |
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:52:46am |
re: #424 Killgore Trout
That's why I said "Quite possibly done by different people" in the section you quoted.
B) Both attacks are exploiting the same weakness which is why "pr0f" used it to illustrate his point in response to the DHS statement about the incident in Illinois.Dude, seriously, we are in agreement.
No, it's more than quite possibly. It's extremely probably done by different people. Or, as I said, there's no reason to believe it was the same people.
And no, they're not exploiting the same weakness. Pr0f was just demonstrating A weakness, of which there are probably many when you hook control systems up to the internet.
Communication generally works better when you don't insist the other person is actually agreeing with you.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:53:48am |
re: #425 Killgore Trout
BTW,,,,a few questions (each tied to the answer of the previous one)
1) you still doing the instrument refurbish thingy??
2) you going to be around "here" tomorrow?
3) if yes to 1 and 2, when I "see" you would you e-mail me? I have a few questions about a cello (you steered me in the right direction a few years ago,, I need more!!)
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darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:56:43am |
Mornin' everyone.
Judging from the last few dozen comments I can see my faith in humanity can remain safely buried under a heap of skepticism for a while longer.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:57:49am |
re: #436 darthstar
Mornin' everyone.
Judging from the last few dozen comments I can see my faith in humanity can remain safely buried under a heap of skepticism for a while longer.
We'll always have Paris!
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darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:58:14am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:58:49am |
re: #435 sattv4u2
BTW,,,a few questions (each tied to the answer of the previous one)
1) you still doing the instrument refurbish thingy??
2) you going to be around "here" tomorrow?
3) if yes to 1 and 2, when I "see" you would you e-mail me? I have a few questions about a cello (you steered me in the right direction a few years ago,, I need more!!)
1) yes 2) yes 3) Probably not. I'm pretty guarded with email contact. Previous flouncers and stalkers in LGF history have gotten a hold of my email in the past. Today's friends can become tomorrow's bitter enemies pretty quickly around here. But we can chat about instrument stuff here out in the open, I don't think anyone will mind.
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darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 7:59:15am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:00:00am |
re: #439 Killgore Trout
1) yes 2) yes 3) Probably not. I'm pretty guarded with email contact. Previous flouncers and stalkers in LGF history have gotten a hold of my email in the past. Today's friends can become tomorrow's bitter enemies pretty quickly around here. But we can chat about instrument stuff here out in the open, I don't think anyone will mind.
Good deal,,,, but I WILL wait till post 100 comments
Wouldn't want to be tarred as a hijacker!!!
:)
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:01:16am |
re: #428 Talking Point Detective
Given the changes around here, we have this wide spread of ideologies and attitude. Add the fact that this blog is moderated to discourage flame wars. Add another fact that many blog here because its calm and intellectually demanding. So it's an easily upset balance.
The best answer is to self censor anger at the person who posts. Anyone including myself can forget that for a moment. Some have said attack the post not the poster. I agree. Otherwise some set of people just kinda moves on and we lose the diversity of thought that makes this place better than say Red State or Kos.
When Lidane called out for a ban of OWS as a topic, we saw concrete evidence of the damage done to the dialog.
I guess I'm just calling out for calm on OWS. Heh, that's why the stalkers once called me RightWingPussy. Screw that, they wish they had what we have here.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:02:30am |
re: #441 sattv4u2
I've been posting for a year (and reading longer than that) and the only time "threadjacking" became an issue is when KT began posting about OWS. I'm as tired of OWS discussions here as anyone, but I don't think there should be any "threadjacking" rules.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:03:58am |
re: #438 darthstar
Yum.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:07:57am |
re: #445 Obdicut
Ah yes. Experience the taste of Danny. /
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:13:28am |
re: #442 Rightwingconspirator
Obviously OWS causes conflict along ideological divides, but the issues at the heart of the controversy aren't really any different from the issues that we debate on any other topic here, and the same things that attract people like me to here in the first place.
To whit, the issue is validity of opinion based on interpretation of the factual material, and sifting of facts from speculation to form a reality-based conclusion. It's no different than how this blog approaches anything, from US politics to global warming to statistics to Israel to media. If you have an opinion or make a claim, back it up, source it, explain your interpretation of said sources, and be prepared to defend and/or discuss. It's the same with every issue. And as with any other issue, if your opinion does not hold up to scrutiny, or if you are overtly antisocial in expressing it, there is backlash. Typically, those who are called out for poorly thought out ideologies or opinions either amend their stance or back away, but when they push forward regardless - well, then we have any thread with Buck in it, and, more recently, every thread that goes to the topic of OWS.
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Talking Point Detective Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:15:28am |
re: #442 Rightwingconspirator
Given the changes around here, we have this wide spread of ideologies and attitude. Add the fact that this blog is moderated to discourage flame wars. Add another fact that many blog here because its calm and intellectually demanding. So it's an easily upset balance.
The best answer is to self censor anger at the person who posts. Anyone including myself can forget that for a moment. Some have said attack the post not the poster. I agree. Otherwise some set of people just kinda moves on and we lose the diversity of thought that makes this place better than say Red State or Kos.
When Lidane called out for a ban of OWS as a topic, we saw concrete evidence of the damage done to the dialog.
I guess I'm just calling out for calm on OWS. Heh, that's why the stalkers once called me RightWingPussy. Screw that, they wish they had what we have here.
That's a good post. I try to always steer clear from criticizing an individual even if I'm criticizing that person's post. It even goes to the level of trying to avoid saying things like "that's stupid."
I often edit any such language out before I post - but I also fail to do so at times. I should clarify that I know absolutely nothing about Killgore at a personal level. I see no reason not to believe that he's a fine fellow. That said, his posts on OWS seem to have been based on an incoherent reasoning process, and he has continuously decline to address explaining the reasoning process that lies behind posting comments such as that people are "supporting" rapes and stabbings. IMO, his posts have seemed disingenuous and he hasn't shown accountability for his posts. His claim that people were simply going after him because he doesn't support OWS is a perfect case in point.
I assume that we all post things that are disingenuous at times, and that we all fail to show accountability at times for our posts. It doesn't mean that we can, necessarily, be characterized overall as disingenuous or someone who fails to be accountable for questions of greater importance than rhetoric in a blog comment.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:19:13am |
re: #381 Sergey Romanov
No.
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darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:22:37am |
Sun's shining, there's no wind...even got little fuckin' birds chirping outside my window. I think I'll take the dogs to the beach and throw the frisbee for a while.
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Bear Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:30:34am |
re: #450 darthstar
Don't think you would be going out to throw frisbee if you were at Fairbanks, AK though it is almost 20 degrees warmer this morning than a day orso ago. Minus 20 degrees according to Undergroundweather.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:34:36am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Agreed, That's why I just gave up yesterday. It seems most of the endless squabbling and accusations of smears is much more related to my not supporting OWS rather than the given topic of the moment. It becomes a pointless conversation at that point.
Lol!
When have you sees anyone at LGF trying to get you, personally, to "support OWS"? Who do you think cares about that?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:44:56am |
This bit of news made me raise an eyebrow. From Wikipedia.
Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia sign a cooperation agreement, setting a target of establishing the Eurasian Union by 2015.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:49:41am |
re: #453 ProLifeLiberal
Hey PLL - do you know a lot about Armenia? I have reason to be studying up on it lately. It's very interesting.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:52:32am |
re: #454 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not really, actually. Also, I have to go to work, so catch everyone later.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 9:24:30am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
I don't think anyone here gives a shit if you support OWS or not.
Being more than just a useful idiot concern troll about it would be enough.
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TDG2112 Sun, Nov 20, 2011 7:29:45am |
Thank you Charles. I just wasted 3 hours on Youtube. I don't think I can live without any of his stuff. So you just made me blow um,, well I haven't totaled it up yet. But I'm sure it'll be more than I intended to spend on Music for the rest of the year. I hope my daughter doesn't mind listening to this instead of more her Disney music...
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