The Republican candidates are performing another debate-like charade today in Iowa, hosted by the extreme religious right group Family Leader.
Oddly enough, the two Mormons among the GOP field decided to sit this one out.
There’s a live video feed here.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:23:52pm |
Perry talking about his prayer rallies. "Do not be afraid!"
Values
Values
Values
"The question: Whose values? The answer needs to be: OUR VALUES!"
verbatim!
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:24:31pm |
I'm not a very good hater, but these cats are excellent teachers
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:24:56pm |
Ron Paul trashing libertines.
"In this country, you're even allowed to be an atheist!"
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:25:16pm |
"In this country you're even allowed to be an atheist!"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:25:24pm |
Now I'm on the slow end of a live feed. But I don't feel left out. Bunch of bigots spewing their venom are a predictable bunch.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:25:37pm |
re: #6 jaunte
How exactly would someone stop me from being an atheist?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:25:44pm |
"We have to protect the people from themselves!"
weird thing for Paul to say. He said he meant it in regards to economics, btw.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:09pm |
War Of the Roses...
"every time I see you, every time we sit down to eat, I want to punch you in the FACE!"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:19pm |
re: #5 Obdicut
"you're even allowed to be an atheist".
Even?
Sure. Bush Sr. doesn't consider atheists US citizens, haven't you heard? An old story.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:26pm |
Sure, Michelle. Pastors can preach politics. Then they don't need to be tax-free. Is that okay?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:36pm |
Bachmann whining about how pastors once were political advocates within the pullpit during elections but are not anymore.
Tax-exempt or not, Lady.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:40pm |
Michele Bachmann coming out strongly in favor of allowing churches to get involved in politics.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:46pm |
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freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:46pm |
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!
According to the rules I laid out last night, that means you have to take a drink.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:56pm |
Oh Dear, Bachmann is talking again. The 10 commandments are the basis for our laws?!?
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:26:59pm |
re: #4 000G
Ron Paul trashing libertines.
"In this country, you're even allowed to be an atheist!"
even? As opposed to "You're not allowed to be an atheist and the punishment is jail?"
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:27:18pm |
Bachmann: Our law is based on the 10 commandments!
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:27:24pm |
re: #17 freetoken
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!
According to the rules I laid out last night, that means you have to take a drink.
I've some vino on hand...
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zora Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:27:29pm |
after the first few minutes i couldn't take anymore. we need some high profile liberal christian organizations to balance out this bullshit.
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:27:46pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
How exactly would someone stop me from being an atheist?
"We'll need to see your church membership card before you can vote."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:27:57pm |
Bachmann accusing non-conservative churches to be activist already.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:28:01pm |
re: #20 CuriousLurker
Bachmann: Our law is based on the 10 commandments!
On the Hammurabi laws then. They're so so so stupid.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:28:14pm |
re: #16 albusteve
kill you...duh
Wouldn't stop me from being an atheist. Would just make me a dead atheist.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:28:48pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Wouldn't stop me from being an atheist. Would just make me a dead atheist.
Not even from your cold, dead brain! //
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:28:50pm |
I'll ask again but how are these guys different from Islamists aside from their religion of choice? Ok, not as violent but they have no problem wiping out centuries of secular law for Christianity. We're not all Christians, assholes.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:28:50pm |
Cain talks about pastors being intimidated by political correctness and the IRS.
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Interesting Times Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:29:03pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
How exactly would someone stop me from being an atheist?
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Amory Blaine Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:29:06pm |
They consider the constitution intimidation to the church.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:29:07pm |
I'm forming the First NM Godless Regiment...any volunteers?
our flag will be black...just black, like our wasted souls
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Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:29:24pm |
re: #2 000G
Perry talking about his prayer rallies. "Do not be afraid!"
Values
Values
Values"The question: Whose values? The answer needs to be: OUR VALUES!"
verbatim!
VALUES! VALUES! There was a third thing...
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bratwurst Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:29:37pm |
Ever notice how many idiots pronounce the word "pulpit" as "pull-pit"?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:04pm |
Ron Paul advertising his Mad-Max variety of responsibilty.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:07pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Wouldn't stop me from being an atheist. Would just make me a dead atheist.
Actually, it would - from their perspective. I.e. you go to hell and there you know you were wrong, naught naughty, nyuk nyuk nyuk.
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:13pm |
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:22pm |
re: #20 CuriousLurker
Bachmann: Our law is based on the 10 commandments!
of course, thou shalt not exceed the posted speed limit
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:46pm |
By the way, Churches shouldn't be tax exempt.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:56pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:30:56pm |
re: #37 Sergey Romanov
Actually, it would - from their perspective. I.e. you go to hell and there you know you were wrong, naught naughty, nyuk nyuk nyuk.
I dunno. I'm pretty stubborn. I'd probably still insist that it's all a hologram, or that I'd gone crazy.
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:31:29pm |
Cain talking about responsibility, immorality, and not infringing on someone else's liberty. Hah.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:31:34pm |
Life of the unborn – Cain makes first touch.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:31:35pm |
re: #4 000G
Ron Paul trashing libertines.
"In this country, you're even allowed to be an atheist!"
Technical question: how would you STOP someone from being an atheist?
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:31:59pm |
re: #41 Sergey Romanov
By the way, Churches shouldn't be tax exempt.
churches should be taxed just like Pizza Hut
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:32:06pm |
re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist
Technical question: how would you STOP someone from being an atheist?
Lots of LSD, maybe.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:32:29pm |
Know what would be sweet? Putting video on LGF spy would be cool for keeping up with the conversation.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:32:35pm |
re: #48 000G
Ludovico technique.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:32:39pm |
re: #18 eclectic infidel
Oh Dear, Bachmann is talking again. The 10 commandments are the basis for our laws?!?
Well, it is illegal to kill people. So there must be SOME direct correlation.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:32:42pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:32:52pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:33:03pm |
re: #22 zora
after the first few minutes i couldn't take anymore. we need some high profile liberal christian organizations to balance out this bullshit.
Jim Wallis rides to the rescue.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:33:17pm |
Billions of dollars to China!
They abort 45,000 children a day!
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freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:33:30pm |
Umm... Rick... the billions going to China is via Walmart, not foreign aid...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:33:44pm |
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kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:33:54pm |
Nehemiah Scudder and the Republic of Gilead are both supposed to be fiction, not prophecy.
(eta: If this goes on and handmaid's tale, respectively, for those who didn't get it.)
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:33:55pm |
What does it mean to start Israel's foreign aid at "0" and then say that they'll definitely get their money?
Perry also just lied and claimed we send billions of dollars to China in aid. The audience loved being lied to.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:34:01pm |
Santorum: The Left is all about "no-fault freedom, no-fault marriage"!
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recusancy Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:34:03pm |
Ohh.. I hope they talk about marriage and bring Newt in on it.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:34:18pm |
Firefox and my customers are conspiring to keep me from watching. I'm gonna take the hint from those higher powers.
BBL
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:34:43pm |
This is just a fundamentalist revival. It is not a political discussion.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:34:45pm |
Santorum: Liberty is not about what you want to do, it is what you ought to do!
And the laws should comport with that moral vision!
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:35:19pm |
Perry's in his element. He has a weird TX accent. Must be a panhandle thing.
Santorum: You must have guilt.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:35:21pm |
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:35:31pm |
Oh, god, I don't know if I'm going to be able to take this.
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Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:35:41pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:35:48pm |
Newt going for that weird "Don't work, don't eat" thing again.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:10pm |
Newt trashing Occupy movement, characterizes them as demanding parasites.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:15pm |
re: #66 Obdicut
This is just a fundamentalist revival. It is not a political discussion.
can you rise up out of the valley and don the armor of the Lord!
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:21pm |
OWS has so much money they don't even have to solicit donations.
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freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:28pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:35pm |
re: #67 000G
Santorum: Liberty is not about what you want to do, it is what you ought to do!
One Russian Laveyan Satanist I know thinks the same way. So does Alexander Dugin (to those who know about him, which is unlikely here). IOW, slavery is freedom.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:53pm |
re: #48 000G
Lots of LSD, maybe.
I don't know. I recall the friend whose first trip included the words, "I'm seeing the face of God. And you know, I'm not really impressed."
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:36:58pm |
Go get a job. Never mind that every job has hundreds of applicants. Just go get a job. Simple.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:37:14pm |
re: #71 Conservative Moonbat
Oh, god, I don't know if I'm going to be able to take this.
Gotcha praying already.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:37:20pm |
re: #76 000G
Newt trashing Occupy movement, characterizes them as demanding parasites.
And of course the Tea Party's doing God's work.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:37:32pm |
re: #84 Obdicut
Go get a job. Never mind that every job has hundreds of applicants. Just go get a job. Simple.
Hey, if it doesn't work out: Cain always has one for you.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:37:43pm |
re: #2 000G
Perry talking about his prayer rallies. "Do not be afraid!"
Values
Values
Values"The question: Whose values? The answer needs to be: OUR VALUES!"
verbatim!
From downstairs:
Their values only; all other values to be criminalized and/or second-classed again.
No wonder they resent "Shariah law" so much. They're jealous.
Dumb, stupid conservative bigots...
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:37:56pm |
Newt complaining about self-righteousness. *snort*
"OWS hippies need to take a bath! Hurr." *eyeroll*
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:38:14pm |
10th Amendment merry go-round!
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:38:18pm |
Oh no, the moderator just pointed out they disagree on the 10th amendment.
They have to stop jerking each other off for a second.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:38:20pm |
re: #71 Conservative Moonbat
Oh, god, I don't know if I'm going to be able to take this.
Me either. Going to the hardware store.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:38:29pm |
Will Ron Paul defend his defense of anti-homosexuality laws?
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:39:22pm |
re: #91 CuriousLurker
Newt complaining about self-righteousness. *snort*
"OWS hippies need to take a bath! Hurr." *eyeroll*
Really a hippie needs a bath joke? George Wallace would be proud.
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tifosa Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:39:22pm |
Perfectly set Thanksgiving table, decorations, pumpkins and lotsa turkey!!
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:39:26pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:39:29pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
What does it mean to start Israel's foreign aid at "0" and then say that they'll definitely get their money?
It's an attempt to both get tough on foreign aid--no more just sending foreign aid all over for no reason!--and not upset an audience that doesn't like foreign aid, but does like support for Israel.
It makes no sense, really, but the implication is that somehow we'll save billions upon trillions by not just randomly writing checks to other countries.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:39:29pm |
Luntz: "But all men were not created equal."
faux pas, Luntz.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:39:31pm |
OK, fuck these dirty theofascists. Fuck them in the neck! Ahm takin' mah balls an goin heum.
/
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elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:09pm |
Romney was so smart to bag this venue. It just invites everybody present to swim in the crazy, or to drown in it.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:17pm |
This thing is more tightly scripted than pro wrestling.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:20pm |
re: #69 CuriousLurker
Perry's in his element. He has a weird TX accent. Must be a panhandle thing.
Santorum: You must have guilt.
Guilt I've got. I don't think I have it about the things he'd like, but I do have a plentiful supply.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:25pm |
Oh. I see my video froze. I ignored it at first thinking they asked Cain about Libya.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:27pm |
re: #67 000G
Santorum: Liberty is not about what you want to do, it is what you ought to do!
And the laws should comport with that moral vision!
Yes!!
Freedom means the being your own master!!
Which also means being a slave to yourself, but whatever!!
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freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:30pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:30pm |
Ron Paul: "The States have a right to be wrong!"
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:31pm |
@EvilSlutClique:
Gingrich trying to find a balance between "historian" and "insufferable douchebag"
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Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:38pm |
Nobody likes this answer.
"The states can't say no to the Federal government when they're wrong."
Made Paul very, very mad.
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kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:40:58pm |
re: #96 jaunte
Name three founding values!
So how many cited the preamble of the constitution:
1) form a more perfect Union,
2) establish Justice,
3) insure domestic Tranquility,
4) provide for the common defence,
5) promote the general Welfare,
6) and secure the Blessings of Liberty
-- for our selves and our posterity.
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Olsonist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:41:00pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Wouldn't stop me from being an atheist. Would just make me a dead atheist.
Yeah, well you're not really prepared for Mormon Proxy Baptism are you? You'd be a Baptized dead atheist and then you'd lose all the street cred.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:41:14pm |
re: #110 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yes!!
Freedom means the being your own master!!
Which also means being a slave to yourself, but whatever!!
Herman Cain can own Herman Cain.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:41:25pm |
re: #112 000G
Ron Paul: "The States have a right to be wrong!"
Because slavery and segregation were just states merely being wrong.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:41:47pm |
Ron Paul goes the easy way out, trashes Department of Education.
Perry: "And Department of Energy, too!"
Perry knows he sells best as a walking joke now?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:42:39pm |
re: #112 000G
Ron Paul: "The States have a right to be wrong!"
Hey Ron I agree! They also have the right to have their asses kicked by the feds when they refuse to self-correct, too.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:42:56pm |
How long is this garbage supposed to be?
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recusancy Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:43:12pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:43:20pm |
re: #114 Obdicut
Nobody likes this answer.
"The states can't say no to the Federal government when they're wrong."
Made Paul very, very mad.
Good.
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:43:26pm |
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zora Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:43:29pm |
re: #73 Amory Blaine
DOn't work Don't eat!!!
VERSES 5-6 - "Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a large crowd was coming toward him, Jesus said to Philip, "Where are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat? He said this to test him, for he himself knew what he would do."
and Philip said "why bother, what work have they done to deserve food?"/
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:43:51pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:43:56pm |
re: #118 HappyWarrior
Because slavery and segregation were just states merely being wrong.
Wrong about what!!!???!!!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:44:23pm |
Polygamy! Romney bashing!
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:44:28pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:44:35pm |
re: #126 zora
VERSES 5-6 - "Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a large crowd was coming toward him, Jesus said to Philip, "Where are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat? He said this to test him, for he himself knew what he would do."
and Philip said "why bother, what work have they done to deserve food?"/
Don't work? Don't eat!
--M. Bachmann
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:44:49pm |
Why do they call it Obamacare when most of it came from Max Baccus?
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:44:50pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:00pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:09pm |
re: #126 zora
VERSES 5-6 - "Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a large crowd was coming toward him, Jesus said to Philip, "Where are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat? He said this to test him, for he himself knew what he would do."
and Philip said "why bother, what work have they done to deserve food?"/
Send that over the Conservative Bible project. They need more free market parables.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:21pm |
Santorum: "Gay marriage is wrong. As Abraham Lincoln said…"
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albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:23pm |
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:34pm |
re: #131 000G
Non-Mormon religious candidates agree, Mormon beliefs 'funny.'
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:43pm |
re: #131 000G
Polygamy! Romney bashing!
This debate is exactly what I predicted it to be. A bunch of fundamentalist zealots bashing everyone who's not like them and trying to out-Christian each other.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:45:59pm |
re: #117 Decatur Deb
Herman Cain can own Herman Cain.
They're all slaves to their own self-loathing lifestyle, afaic.
BTDT, better them than me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:46:05pm |
re: #138 000G
Santorum: "Gay marriage is wrong. As Abraham Lincoln said…"
What did Abraham Lincoln say about gay marriage? This I gotta hear.
//Abe always was a man before his time.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:46:16pm |
Santorum: "Gay marriage is wrong. The states do not have the right to do wrong."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:46:16pm |
Santorum: I defeated those gay-loving justices in Iowa!
Wild applause!
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freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:46:27pm |
"Those justices" rendered what most experts say were accurate conclusions according to the Iowa constitution.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:46:52pm |
re: #140 jaunte
Non-Mormon religious candidates agree, Mormon beliefs 'funny.'
'Ha-ha' funny, or 'Funny Uncle' funny?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:47:29pm |
re: #113 jaunte
@EvilSlutClique:
Gingrich trying to find a balance between "historian" and "insufferable douchebag"
I vote "insufferable douchebag"...
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:47:32pm |
re: #146 freetoken
"Those justices" rendered what most experts say were accurate conclusions according to the Iowa constitution.
Who cares about the Iowa constitution, Santorum's perception of God didn't like it so it's wrong.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:48:10pm |
Didn't know this thing started so early.
I've been joking for weeks that these people seem like my crazy relatives talking politics at Thanksgiving, and then I tune in to see this set. lol
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:48:10pm |
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freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:48:36pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:48:45pm |
re: #140 jaunte
Non-Mormon religious candidates agree, Mormon beliefs 'funny.'
Mormon candidates home, wishing they could drink heavily.
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Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:48:49pm |
On the bright side, look at all the great soundbites comedians will have to work with over the next few weeks.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:49:08pm |
re: #150 Charles
Man, this is twisted.
It's like watching a trainwreck.
Or rather, watching a group of GOP candidates gleefully producing a series of trainwrecks.
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Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:49:27pm |
Gingrich wants Congress to define personhood as beginning at conception and put a block on it so the court cannot rule on constitutionality.
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:49:55pm |
Ron Paul: Enforcement should come from our neighbors.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:06pm |
Ron Paul is the reasonable pro-life guy by saying that abortion should not be a federal offense, merely a State offense.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:17pm |
Oh Jesus, Gingrich thinks Congress can simply define personhood under the 14th and tell the courts that this cannot be reviewed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:21pm |
re: #140 jaunte
Non-Mormon religious candidates agree, Mormon beliefs 'funny.'
Can't let that pass.
All religious beliefs are "funny" to me, but modern Mormon beliefs make much more sense to me than the mainstream Christian beliefs. E.g., the eternal universe; the post-mortem chance of a degree of repentance; the idea that people who weren't bad but weren't Mormon either will still get their degree of celestial glory.
As for funny pseudohistory - the Bible is full of it.
| 164 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:34pm |
re: #159 Sionainn
Gingrich wants Congress to define personhood as beginning at conception and put a block on it so the court cannot rule on constitutionality.
He's as much a historian as David Barton.
| 165 |
recusancy Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:40pm |
re: #159 Sionainn
Gingrich wants Congress to define personhood as beginning at conception and put a block on it so the court cannot rule on constitutionality.
Redder than red Mississippi voted against that last week. Just to show you how extreme that is.
| 166 |
justaminute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:55pm |
You know guys, with the police attacking peaceful students and one party trying to advocate for a Theocracy it's starting to look a lot like Iran. Bachmann is playing a very crazy game. Over in Iran they are already using all of this for propaganda. It makes me very uncomfortable.
| 167 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:50:56pm |
re: #162 goddamnedfrank
Oh Jesus, Gingrich thinks Congress can simply define personhood under the 14th and tell the courts that this cannot be reviewed.
It'll work, if he uses the Perry USSC.
| 168 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:51:20pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
What did Abraham Lincoln say about gay marriage? This I gotta hear.
//Abe always was a man before his time.
"States may do no wrong!"
And since gay marriage is wrong, Lincoln was clearly against gay marriage.
| 169 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:51:44pm |
re: #163 Sergey Romanov
Agreed. I'm guilty of shorthand. It's just funny to me to see these guys winking at each other being bigoted toward another candidates' religious beliefs.
| 170 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:51:52pm |
Does Gingrich know understand why the judiciary exists? Really the utter contempt for the judiciary he has is pathetic.
| 171 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:51:53pm |
re: #160 jaunte
Ron Paul: Enforcement should come from our neighbors.
Yeah! Maybe they could have some cool neighborhood uniforms too, with white hoods.
| 172 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:51:57pm |
re: #168 000G
"States may do no wrong!"
And since gay marriage is wrong, Lincoln was clearly against gay marriage.
And pineapple pizza.
| 173 |
Olsonist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:51:57pm |
Let me get this straight:
Police are pepper spraying college kids demonstrating in a public space.
The Authoritarian Party is getting a two hour television commercial.
| 174 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:52:33pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
Mormon candidates home, wishing they could drink heavily.
Heh...Romney and Huntsman might be ODing on hot cocoa right now.
| 175 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:52:45pm |
re: #160 jaunte
Ron Paul: Enforcement should come from our neighbors.
Yeah bring back vigilante justice! Guilty until proven guilty! Great idea Represnetive Crazy Bastard.
| 176 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:52:51pm |
PLANNED PARENTHOOD!!
That's worth of a triple.
| 177 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:00pm |
re: #171 Charles
Yeah! Maybe they could have some cool neighborhood uniforms too, with white hoods.
Brownshirts are so much more fashionable.
| 178 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:06pm |
Michele Bachmann: "We're in a whole new universe today."
No, Michele, that's just you.
| 179 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:16pm |
re: #166 justaminute
You know guys, with the police attacking peaceful students and one party trying to advocate for a Theocracy it's starting to look a lot like Iran. Bachmann is playing a very crazy game. Over in Iran they are already using all of this for propaganda. It makes me very uncomfortable.
The key difference between Iran and the USA right now is that in the US you can still vote Democrat.
| 180 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:17pm |
Bachmann: Planned Parenthood is pushing chemical abortion.
| 181 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:28pm |
I also don't want to hear anything from the anti-pineapple pizza bigots.
////
| 182 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:42pm |
"a whoooooooole new universe"...
which is where I wish I was every time one of these geniuses opens their mouth.
| 183 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:42pm |
re: #174 talon_262
Heh...Romney and Huntsman might be ODing on hot cocoa right now.
Not if they're frum Mormons.
| 184 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:42pm |
re: #168 000G
"States may do no wrong!"
And since gay marriage is wrong, Lincoln was clearly against gay marriage.
OK...I don't entirely follow, but...er...
| 185 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:42pm |
re: #151 jaunte
Right Wing Watch:
Focus on the Family
When they were still in southern CA, my parents made me apply to work at Fuck Us Up Some Families, summer of '89. They ask on the app, list the last 10 books you've read. Top 3:
3. Is the Homosexual My Neighbor [spoiler: answer is "yes"]
2. Book of Common Prayer, 1979 ed
1. The Last Temptation of Christ
Oh, those were days.
| 186 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:53:53pm |
re: #15 Charles
Michele Bachmann coming out strongly in favor of allowing churches to get involved in politics.
They can get as involved in politics as they want as soon as they pay the admission fees.
If they're not going to pay taxes, then screw 'em.
| 187 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:54:08pm |
re: #170 HappyWarrior
Does Gingrich know understand why the judiciary exists? Really the utter contempt for the judiciary he has is pathetic.
The fact that he fears it shows he does understand why it exists,
| 188 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:55:12pm |
"It's up to us men and women to leave kids in foster care, we won't let gays adopt."
| 189 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:55:32pm |
"Gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt!"
Yeah, makes total sense when you are pro-life: Limit the possible adoption options.
| 190 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:55:56pm |
re: #187 Charleston Chew
The fact that he fears it shows he does understand why it exists,
True that. I am not sure what I fear more: A pandering asshole like Newt or a crazy true believer like Bachmann. I am going to take the easy way out here and say both.
| 191 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:00pm |
It's odd how much the Federal Government is supposed to get involved in people's lives. Everything except taxes, it seems. Let's have the feds make sure gay couples can't adopt all those unwanted children born after the federal govt. outlaws all abortion and contraception! Sure! Great idea, guys!
(pukes quietly)
| 192 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:10pm |
The corporatist party v. the Taliban party. Sad.
| 194 |
ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:10pm |
re: #179 Charleston Chew
I'm beginning to think the same. What the hell happened to the US?
| 195 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:31pm |
re: #161 000G
Ron Paul is the reasonable pro-life guy by saying that abortion should not be a federal offense, merely a State offense.
Individual liberty! States' rights! FREEDOM!
| 196 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:40pm |
re: #189 000G
"Gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt!"
Yeah, makes total sense when you are pro-life: Limit the possible adoption options.
Okay, as someone with a gay relative raising a child. A pointed fuck you to that candidate.
| 197 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:40pm |
Chemical abortion. Wow, that sounds incredibly sinister. That Planned Parenthood must be really evil.
Now they're all coming out against gay adoption.
| 198 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:44pm |
re: #189 000G
"Gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt!"
Yeah, makes total sense when you are pro-lfie: Limit the possible adoption options.
Technically, they're pro-birth. After that, fuck you.
| 199 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:56:56pm |
re: #191 elizajane
It's odd how much the Federal Government is supposed to get involved in people's lives. Everything except taxes, it seems. Let's have the feds make sure gay couples can't adopt all those unwanted children born after the federal govt. outlaws all abortion and contraception! Sure! Great idea, guys!
(pukes quietly)
Sounds like you are a Ron Paul fan. :>
| 200 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:57:31pm |
re: #180 Charles
Bachmann: Planned Parenthood is pushing chemical abortion.
Does she mean RU486, or birth control pills?
| 201 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:57:46pm |
Ok, government involvement in education and healthcare is bad, evil socialism but telling gay couples they can't adopt is liberty. I like turtles?
| 202 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:57:58pm |
"Faith based adoption services should have the freedom to prevent children from having the adoptive parents we don't like."
| 203 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:57:58pm |
re: #196 HappyWarrior
Okay, as someone with a gay relative raising a child. A pointed fuck you to that candidate.
Santorum, but I think also Perry.
| 204 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:58:16pm |
| 205 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:58:31pm |
re: #203 000G
Santorum, but I think also Perry.
Figures. Seriously, that shit makes me angry because I know my cousin is a good father.
| 206 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:00pm |
Gingrich: the gay agenda is a mortal threat to our civilization.
| 207 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:11pm |
| 208 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:11pm |
Opposing willing adoption of children who are stuck in the system is actively evil.
| 209 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:20pm |
In the course of this did they mention Romney explicitly? Did they poke fun on him skipping it?
| 210 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:28pm |
re: #185 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
When they were still in southern CA, my parents made me apply to work at Fuck Us Up Some Families, summer of '89. They ask on the app, list the last 10 books you've read. Top 3:
3. Is the Homosexual My Neighbor [spoiler: answer is "yes"]
2. Book of Common Prayer, 1979 ed
1. The Last Temptation of ChristOh, those were days.
Yeesh....
| 211 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:44pm |
Luntz the sham pollster, Perry the sham governor.
| 213 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 2:59:59pm |
re: #199 000G
Sounds like you are a Ron Paul fan. :>
I could become one at this point. You know, as part of a gay couple raising three children adopted as older kids with special needs. Those "imperfect" kids who the nice straight white couples don't want.
Must go and calm down now.
[added: my children are in fact actually perfect. Period.]
| 214 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:00:03pm |
OK, I've had enough. 20 whole minutes.
| 215 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:00:22pm |
That's the problem Mr. Luntz, you not only know them you suck up to them.
| 216 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:00:37pm |
re: #209 Sergey Romanov
In the course of this did they mention Romney explicitly? Did they poke fun on him skipping it?
Mildly.
| 217 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:00:37pm |
I'm starting to get the feeling these people don't like gays very much.
| 218 |
wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:00:37pm |
Remember when Newt wanted to have government orphanages?
Now we can't have government anything
| 219 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:00:38pm |
Bachmann: Congress can limit what cases courts hear.
Seriously?
| 220 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:01:00pm |
Yoda's comment on this debate:
| 221 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:01:10pm |
re: #209 Sergey Romanov
In the course of this did they mention Romney explicitly? Did they poke fun on him skipping it?
They explicitly mentioned him.
"Oh, how unfortunate that he cannot be here and talk about his views on polygamy! nyuk nyuk!"
| 222 |
Summer Seale Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:01:36pm |
I don't usually post from HuffPo because of their often blatant anti-science stance, however this essay made me laugh so hard when I read it today that I shared it on G+ and I'll share it here as well, since the Moral Police are going on about Gay "lifestyles".....
It's absolutely brilliant and hilarious from the first sentence on. =)
| 223 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:01:41pm |
It's a non-stop family values homophobia-fest.
| 224 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:01:52pm |
Is there a way to password-protect a file in Word? Where do I go to do so?
| 225 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:03pm |
re: #221 000G
They explicitly mentioned him.
"Oh, how unfortunate that he cannot be here and talk about his views on polygamy! nyuk nyuk!"
What a bunch of dumb Christianist shits.
| 226 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:03pm |
re: #217 Charles
I'm starting to get the feeling these people don't like gays very much.
Gee, ya think?
///please Hammer, don't hurt me ;-P
| 227 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:03pm |
Cheering $1.79 gasoline.
Well, at least they've not cheered the death of an innocent man yet.
| 228 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:06pm |
re: #213 elizajane
You're doing good.
| 229 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:28pm |
re: #221 000G
They explicitly mentioned him.
"Oh, how unfortunate that he cannot be here and talk about his views on polygamy! nyuk nyuk!"
Wow. They'd have a cow if someone made fun of their religion.
| 230 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:35pm |
| 231 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:44pm |
| 232 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:02:51pm |
re: #219 Sionainn
Bachmann: Congress can limit what cases courts hear.
Seriously?
Okay, she clearly does not understand the constitution at all. See, Michele. Congress makes laws. The judiciary decides if the laws are lawful. It was in 8th grade Civics class, maybe you missed it when you were burning your brain cells doing drugs.
| 233 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:03:03pm |
That's why you Catholics have your own schools, Newt.
| 234 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:03:23pm |
| 235 |
Summer Seale Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:03:35pm |
And remember, people, we need more Jesus in the President, and the Courts, and the Legislature, and society, and the laws, and our country, and the world.
Onwards Christian GOP.
Onwards.
Until you fall off of the edge of the world, please.
| 236 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:03:51pm |
@pourmecoffee
I just felt a great disturbance in The Force, as if Newt Gingrich were lecturing America on morality.
| 237 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:03:51pm |
re: #232 HappyWarrior
Okay, she clearly does not understand the constitution at all. See, Michele. Congress makes laws. The judiciary decides if the laws are lawful. It was in 8th grade Civics class, maybe you missed it when you were burning your brain cells doing drugs.
I was wondering if I missed something somewhere.
| 238 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:03:51pm |
re: #221 000G
They explicitly mentioned him.
"Oh, how unfortunate that he cannot be here and talk about his views on polygamy! nyuk nyuk!"
Fuckers.
| 239 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:04:05pm |
re: #197 Charles
Chemical abortion. Wow, that sounds incredibly sinister. That Planned Parenthood must be really evil.
Chemical abortion = birth control. PP gives out The Pill and morning after pills. You know, chemical abortions.
| 240 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:04:19pm |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a way to password-protect a file in Word? Where do I go to do so?
Try Review -> Protect document
| 241 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:04:24pm |
re: #237 Sionainn
I was wondering if I missed something somewhere.
Nah, Bachmann is just that stupid.
| 242 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:05:30pm |
King Gingrich will abolish the court of any judge who done him wrong.
| 243 |
kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:06:19pm |
Done watching. I can't help recalling what the Obama team said not so long ago:
[paraphrasing] At this point most of our campaign ads will just be portions of the debates.
| 244 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:06:28pm |
As much as I want to go out in the dark and weed the garden, I'm sticking--I don't think they can hold it together for 2 hours.
| 245 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:06:28pm |
re: #242 jaunte
King Gingrich will abolish the court of any judge who done him wrong.
And then as soon as a Democrat gets elected POTUS, he'll start crying about the tyranny of the executive branch.
| 246 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:06:37pm |
Pretty soon "chemical abortion" will even refer to the all the drugs which may have a negative effect on sperm production and/or function:
Ketoconazole (an anti-fungal)
Sulfasalazine (for inflammatory bowel disease)
Spironolactone (an anti-hypertensive)
Calcium Channel Blockers (anti- hypertensives)
Allopurinol, Colchicine (for gout)
Antibiotics: Nitrofuran, Erythromycin, Gentamicin
Methotrexate (cancer, psoriasis, arthritis)
Cimetidine (for ulcers or reflux)
| 247 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:07:03pm |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a way to password-protect a file in Word? Where do I go to do so?
Oh, scratch my previous advice.
The main button -> Prepare document -> Encrypt.
| 248 |
wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:08:11pm |
re: #247 Sergey Romanov
Oh, scratch my previous advice.
The main button -> Prepare document -> Encrypt.
Developer > protect is the way I do it
| 249 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:08:56pm |
re: #248 wilburs
Developer > protect is the way I do it
Not everyone has Developer enabled, I think.
| 250 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:10:06pm |
Some people might have been inclined to dismiss Jeff Sharlet's book The Family as an exaggeration. This evening of cheerleading for theocracy should change that view.
| 251 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:10:50pm |
re: #248 wilburs
Developer > protect is the way I do it
But then again, that's the same as my first advice and it's different. When I check "restricted access" I get some dialog window trying to register me at some IRM service. Encrypt is just plain password, on the other hand.
| 252 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:11:17pm |
During this blessed lull in the debate, I just thought I'd take a moment to note the utter, tomb-like silence from right-wing blogs about what happened at U.C. Davis. HotAir has, as one of its lead pieces, an article that claims (among other things) that as many police as protesters are being injured at OWS protests. Oh, and in the WSJ an editorial calling OWS "depraved" and chastizing the media for covering them.
| 253 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:12:20pm |
re: #240 Sergey Romanov
Try Review -> Protect document
As far as I can tell, that allows me to stop other people from editing it, but not from opening it.
| 254 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:12:50pm |
Doubt Cain goes to the men's room without his wife these days.
| 255 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:13:05pm |
Sigh... this will be too much. I think I'll go to the gym.
| 256 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:13:21pm |
re: #247 Sergey Romanov
Oh, scratch my previous advice.
The main button -> Prepare document -> Encrypt.
Thanks!!
| 257 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:13:22pm |
re: #254 Decatur Deb
Doubt Cain goes to the men's room without his wife these days.
Big Potato Moth!!
| 258 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:13:29pm |
re: #252 elizajane
During this blessed lull in the debate, I just thought I'd take a moment to note the utter, tomb-like silence from right-wing blogs about what happened at U.C. Davis.
They're still working out the talking points. Give it a day or two.
I'm sure we'll be hearing about how those kids at UC Davis asked for it.
| 261 |
wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:14:28pm |
re: #251 Sergey Romanov
But then again, that's the same as my first advice and it's different. When I check "restricted access" I get some dialog window trying to register me at some IRM service. Encrypt is just plain password, on the other hand.
really I've never seen that
Though it is correct that this just locks the document to prevent anyone from changing it, I think I misunderstood the question
| 262 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:15:06pm |
re: #258 Lidane
They're still working out the talking points. Give it a day or two.
I'm sure we'll be hearing about how those kids at UC Davis asked for it.
Oh, you can hear that already. Just check out the comments at the Sacramento Bee. I'd really like to think that the people who say those things haven't watched the video, but I fear that they have, and that they enjoyed it.
| 263 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:15:08pm |
| 265 |
wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:16:08pm |
This should work
[Link: www.computerhope.com...]
| 266 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:16:14pm |
re: #261 wilburs
really I've never seen that
Though it is correct that this just locks the document to prevent anyone from changing it, I think I misunderstood the question
I'm just trying to lock some things up so that casual users of my computer--students, my mother, my husband--cannot open them.
| 267 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:16:20pm |
| 268 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:16:30pm |
re: #262 elizajane
I'd really like to think that the people who say those things haven't watched the video, but I fear that they have, and that they enjoyed it.
Of course they enjoyed it. Those violent, drug-addled Marxist trust fund hippies got what was coming to them. =P
| 269 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:16:35pm |
re: #239 Lidane
Chemical abortion = birth control. PP gives out The Pill and morning after pills. You know, chemical abortions.
You know, the TPGOP is taking "every sperm is sacred" to new lows.
| 271 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:17:07pm |
| 272 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:17:12pm |
Are they still yapping?
| 273 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:17:17pm |
re: #264 Decatur Deb
Both kinds of churches.
These folk are not running for President of the United States. They are running for their own church boards.
| 274 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:17:27pm |
re: #263 Charleston Chew
I thought this was Benny Hinn.
This was my introduction to Benny Hinn. I apologize to anyone who may be offended by this, but you're probably not a poster here anyway.
| 276 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:17:55pm |
Jesus must have told him to execute that guy without allowing review of the DNA evidence.
| 278 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:18:13pm |
re: #260 Decatur Deb
I've seen better crying on Benny Hinn.
The fact that Benny Hinn and Paul & Jan Crouch still have careers is either a miracle, or proof that people really are that stupid.
| 279 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:18:24pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
This was my introduction to Benny Hinn. I apologize to anyone who may be offended by this, but you're probably not a poster here anyway.
ROFLMAO! You just made my day!
| 280 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:18:31pm |
Wait, did I fall asleep in my chair and it's Sunday morning already?
| 282 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:18:49pm |
OK, are any funny Youtube clips gonna be made out of that debate? Coz otherwise it's a total failure, I gather.
| 285 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:20:16pm |
By "Reading economics" Ron Paul means "reading John Birch Society literature".
| 286 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:20:26pm |
re: #275 Sionainn
Bleh. I can't listen to this crap any more.
I never listen to that crap. I experience these GOP debates vicariously, through other people watching them for me.
If I'm going to kill brain cells, I'd rather do it with a good wine or a drink with friends. Political debates? Not so much.
| 287 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:21:16pm |
re: #286 Lidane
If I'm going to kill brain cells, I'd rather do it with a good wine or a drink with friends. Political debates? Not so much.
Multitasking, here.
| 288 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:21:26pm |
re: #286 Lidane
I never listen to that crap. I experience these GOP debates vicariously, through other people watching them for me.
If I'm going to kill brain cells, I'd rather do it with a good wine or a drink with friends. Political debates? Not so much.
I feel much better after having turned it off and watching SFZ's video link.
| 289 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:21:34pm |
:::bailing out ::: I am going back to PBS. This time of year you learn how to cook turkey.
| 290 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:07pm |
re: #287 Decatur Deb
Multitasking, here.
Heh. So am I, sort of. I've got homemade pulled pork in the slow cooker, five different Google Chrome tabs going, and an audiobook playing on my iPod.
Too much going on to kill my brain with inane GOP talking points. ;)
| 291 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:08pm |
This is the part of the debate where the candidates tell inspiring personal stories of their god-given greatness.
| 292 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:08pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
This was my introduction to Benny Hinn. I apologize to anyone who may be offended by this, but you're probably not a poster here anyway.
Awesome, simply awesome.
| 293 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:20pm |
That pumpkin centerpiece is the smartest at the table.
| 294 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:23pm |
Bachmann's education reform: fighting the evils of Darwinism.
| 295 |
kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:27pm |
re: #289 PhillyPretzel
:::bailing out ::: I am going back to PBS. This time of year you learn how to cook turkey.
heh. If you don't care about the skin and want a good flavor, try salt doming it.
| 296 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:23:42pm |
Government takeover of public schools?
Lol.
| 297 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:17pm |
re: #296 Varek Raith
Government takeover of public schools?
Lol.
Is that like the government takeover of Medicare? WTF.
| 298 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:23pm |
Did I miss the part where the GOVERNMENT paid Michelle money for those 23 children?
| 299 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:25pm |
re: #290 Lidane
Heh. So am I, sort of. I've got homemade pulled pork in the slow cooker, five different Google Chrome tabs going, and an audiobook playing on my iPod.
Too much going on to kill my brain with inane GOP talking points. ;)
Just watching the Second Coming and drinking cheap wine.
| 300 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:39pm |
re: #296 Varek Raith
Government takeover of public schools?
Lol.
From the party that brought you government hands off my medicare comes......
| 301 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:24:41pm |
I'd like to thank God, Jesus, Mohammad, and Krishna that the live video feed doesn't work on my computer.
Amen.
| 302 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:26:08pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
Pretty cool. Somebody should make such a clip for Manson's song:
| 303 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:28:54pm |
The more they talk, the more I'm positive I'm voting against the GOP in every election I can get to.
| 304 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:29:10pm |
Sorry, I forgot to thank the Budda. Major oversight on my part.
| 305 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:29:13pm |
If anyone's curious:
Rick Santorum is against abortion for any reason, with one exception
| 306 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:29:29pm |
re: #304 funky chicken
Sorry, I forgot to thank the Budda. Major oversight on my part.
Uh, like, what about me???
| 307 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:30:10pm |
| 308 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:30:36pm |
Santorum’s campaign pledge to repeal the ACA is the opposite of support for people with disabilities. “When you talk about valuing people with disabilities, is there a policy behind that?” asks Lara Schwartz, spokesperson for AAPD. “Most people with disabilities don’t have a dad who is a former senator. For them medical care, long-term care and education are potentially bank-breaking issues. Santorum should make sure everyone has the opportunities his daughter does.”
[Link: www.thenation.com...]
| 310 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:31:06pm |
re: #303 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The more they talk, the more I'm positive I'm voting against the GOP in every election I can get to.
and I can't even see the thing. LOL.
and I was a pretty reliable republican in the recent past.
They've 100% completely lost me. That doesn't mean I'll vote for the D on the ticket. I would not have voted for John Kerry...the douchebag was too strong with that one. But I will vote for Obama if I bother to register to vote here in OK. For a truly wasted vote, I'm not sure it's even worth registering.
| 312 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:31:45pm |
Like many acting parts, if you want to audition for the part of GOP Presidential nominee, you'll need to prepare a dramatic monologue.
| 313 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:31:54pm |
Good grief, it's turning into a weepfest. They're all one-upping each other with death, hardship, and heroic overcoming of doubt stories.
| 314 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:32:37pm |
Allow me to tell my heroic story of surviving the Great East Coast Earthquake of 2011.
| 315 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:32:43pm |
re: #313 Charles
Good grief, it's turning into a weepfest. They're all one-upping each other with death, hardship, and heroic overcoming of doubt stories.
Those are not the Jobs America needs.
| 316 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:32:50pm |
@JeffSharlet
I gotta say, as a parent, I find what Santorum's doing w/ the story of his daughter abominable.
Likewise.
| 317 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:32:50pm |
re: #310 funky chicken
and I can't even see the thing. LOL.
and I was a pretty reliable republican in the recent past.
They've 100% completely lost me. That doesn't mean I'll vote for the D on the ticket. I would not have voted for John Kerry...the douchebag was too strong with that one. But I will vote for Obama if I bother to register to vote here in OK. For a truly wasted vote, I'm not sure it's even worth registering.
Pre-2008, I would have told anyone who asked me that I was a conservative and proud to vote Republican. They're complete meltdown since the 2008 election has proven they're toxic.
| 318 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:33:42pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Allow me to tell my heroic story of surviving the Great East Coast Earthquake of 2011.
Me too! I had a lawn chair fall over!
| 319 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:03pm |
I have kidney stones. Can I be Secretary of Defense?
| 320 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:11pm |
| 322 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:31pm |
I wonder how many times Rick Santorum has told that story, weeping at the same point every time?
| 323 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:38pm |
re: #319 Decatur Deb
I have kidney stones. Can I be Secretary of Defense?
No.
I have chronic migraines.
Surely I'm the right man for the job.
;)
| 324 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:45pm |
re: #310 funky chicken
and I can't even see the thing. LOL.
and I was a pretty reliable republican in the recent past.
They've 100% completely lost me. That doesn't mean I'll vote for the D on the ticket. I would not have voted for John Kerry...the douchebag was too strong with that one. But I will vote for Obama if I bother to register to vote here in OK. For a truly wasted vote, I'm not sure it's even worth registering.
The national total matters on a purely PR level. I'm not sure Obama could survive winning the electoral but losing the popular vote like Bush did in 2000.
| 325 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:55pm |
re: #318 rwdflynavy
Let me join you, fellows. My story: I had to read the soul-tearing comments of horror as it was happening. I was traumatized for the rest of my life.
| 326 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:34:57pm |
re: #319 Decatur Deb
We don't have another man of your caliber.
| 327 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:35:01pm |
re: #323 Varek Raith
No.
I have chronic migraines.
Surely I'm the right man for the job.
;)
You can get state.
| 329 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:35:23pm |
re: #323 Varek Raith
No.
I have chronic migraines.
Surely I'm the right man for the job.
;)
Yeah, we're gonna give a sith the launch codes.
| 330 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:35:45pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Allow me to tell my heroic story of surviving the Great East Coast Earthquake of 2011.
| 331 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:35:56pm |
| 332 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:35:57pm |
Frank Luntz: "How dare you get more attention than me! Nobody out-heartfeels The Luntz!"
| 333 |
wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:36:05pm |
re: #319 Decatur Deb
I have kidney stones. Can I be Secretary of Defense?
That's Cain's job. He is going to listen to the generals, and show leadership.
You could have HHS though
| 334 |
EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:36:25pm |
re: #323 Varek Raith
No.
I have chronic migraines.
Surely I'm the right man for the job.
;)
What post does ed get you?
| 336 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:36:45pm |
| 337 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:36:46pm |
| 338 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:36:51pm |
| 339 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:37:20pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Allow me to tell my heroic story of surviving the Great East Coast Earthquake of 2011.
I survived a 5.7 earthquake in OKLA FUCKING HOMA. And 2 days (or so) later, I was anxiously watching the track of a couple of major tornadoes when we had a 4.7 aftershock.
That's right--major tornadoes, flash floods, and earthquakes all in the same day. And just a couple of months ago it was a scorching drought. Somebody in OK has pissed off Moses, and I wanna find out who the hell it is before we see the frogs and locusts. Whoever it is is gonna go under the bus.
| 340 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:37:25pm |
| 341 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:37:26pm |
Fascinating to watch Newt pretend to be religious.
| 342 |
jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:37:44pm |
From re: #229 Sionainn
re: #221 000G
They explicitly mentioned him.
"Oh, how unfortunate that he cannot be here and talk about his views on polygamy! nyuk nyuk!"
Wow. They'd have a cow if someone made fun of their religion.
If someone mocked, e.g. the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, they would all--including those whose sects do not believe in the Assumption--band together to make the mocker unelectable. Bullying is only attempted when the bullies believe the victim cannot fight back effectively.
Since Romney certainly has a reply prepared for the polygamy issue, they have to raise it in his absence.
re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist
Fuckers.
Cowards too.
| 343 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:37:57pm |
| 344 |
Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:38:17pm |
The GOP summed up as a single sign:
| 345 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:38:25pm |
Newt baby, this is where you beg your wives' forgiveness.
| 347 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:38:30pm |
re: #330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Haha I was at the beach when it happened with my Dad and brothers. We had no idea until my Mom called leaving a voicemail telling us she was a okay. We were like uh what earthquake.
| 349 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:39:06pm |
Perry: No indoor plumbing? Bathed in a #10 wash tub? I'm not buying it at all. This was not Bugtussle in the 20s, it was West Texas in the 50s. My mother, who is 20 years older than Perry, and whose folks were much poorer than his, always had indoor plumbing, electricity, and running water when she was young.
| 350 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:39:16pm |
| 351 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:39:24pm |
| 353 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:39:51pm |
It's a great test of a candidate to see if they can find a way to confess to fake sins that actually make them sound totally awesome while being careful to never mention their actual shortcomings.
| 354 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:40:11pm |
Uh, I'm not the one who thinks some invisible sky wizard tells em to run for pres, chief.
:P
| 355 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:40:22pm |
Every one of these people is incredibly heroic. I pray the stage doesn't collapse under the combined weight of their morality.
| 356 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:40:37pm |
| 357 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:41:10pm |
I've been posting at LGF for around 5 years....Charles is not my best friend, considering my history, but that's misleading...I will say this...his music posts are peerless and his wordage has really gone off the scale...I really get a kick out of the term 'weepfest' and other phrases he comes up with...if I were a dinger, I'd ding that....
Charles has been rockin for a while now...he may ban me tomorrow but it's been my pleasure
| 358 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:41:18pm |
I'm sure the Obama's never had to work for anything in his life crack is coming. Since you know only idiots go to Harvard Law and do undergrad work at Columbia.
| 359 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:41:37pm |
re: #356 jaunte
Ron Paul is his own worst critic!
Hahahahahaha
He is. But I can find a bunch of really good critics.
| 361 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:42:29pm |
re: #357 albusteve
I've been posting at LGF for around 5 years...Charles is not my best friend, considering my history, but that's misleading...I will say this...his music posts are peerless and his wordage has really gone off the scale...I really get a kick out of the term 'weepfest' and other phrases he comes up with...if I were a dinger, I'd ding that...
Charles has been rockin for a while now...he may ban me tomorrow but it's been my pleasure
You got a really good comment planned?
| 363 |
Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:42:52pm |
re: #355 Charles
Every one of these people is incredibly heroic. I pray the stage doesn't collapse under the combined weight of their morality.
"Morality"? Is that what we relabeled "Ego" as?
| 364 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:43:04pm |
Meh. Just so you know, I am following a lot of this, I'm just TSTP.
(Too sick to post, or rather, too sick to post anything worth putting my name on.)
| 365 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:43:14pm |
A large series of small failures adds up to a big failure.
;)
| 366 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:43:22pm |
I'm not a dinger, I'm a winger!
///
Sorrycouldntresist.
| 367 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:43:54pm |
re: #361 Decatur Deb
You got a really good comment planned?
no, I just think it's important to salute my betters
| 368 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:04pm |
| 369 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:05pm |
Cain figured out that the more he cries the less he has to talk.
| 370 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:17pm |
Ron Paul could have had a good career in football except for all those head shots.
| 371 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:32pm |
Herman, baby, this is where you beg your wife's forgiveness.
| 372 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:36pm |
re: #318 rwdflynavy
Me too! I had a lawn chair fall over!
Did that inspire you to reexamine your sinful life?
| 373 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:46pm |
Oh how cruel.
It's a Thanksgiving table, but there won't be anything on it but water.
How cruel.
No pie for you!
| 374 |
EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:44:58pm |
My family was too poor to have children. The lady next door birthed me.
| 376 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:45:51pm |
In an alternate universe lost in space and time, Rick Perry is a veterinarian.
| 377 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:46:02pm |
| 379 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:46:37pm |
re: #376 Charles
In an alternate universe lost in space and time, Rick Perry is a veterinarian.
That's the one where Hitler's a painter, right?
| 381 |
Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:46:46pm |
re: #375 Gus 802
Oh brother. This is like reality TV for Bible thumpers.
"Let's get ready to humble!"
/
| 382 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:46:58pm |
I need to find a kitten and use it to crush some ducklings.
| 383 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:47:09pm |
re: #375 Gus 802
Oh brother. This is like reality TV for Bible thumpers.
I don't see it, but I would guess it's like something pretty crude a vily atheist would put inside some film as a fictional show, thinking it's such a good atheist propaganda.
| 384 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:47:25pm |
| 385 |
Obdicut Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:47:34pm |
re: #380 Gus 802
This thing is put together by a bunch of homophobes.
And people wonder why gay kids need any sort of special protection from bullying at school.
| 386 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:47:51pm |
Ron Paul will not suggest that the legal benefits of marriage be changed, he'll just put churches in charge of who gets them.
| 388 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:48:34pm |
re: #385 Obdicut
And people wonder why gay kids need any sort of special protection from bullying at school.
It's not bullying, it's straightening out.
| 390 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:48:57pm |
re: #364 EmmmieG
Meh. Just so you know, I am following a lot of this, I'm just TSTP.
(Too sick to post, or rather, too sick to post anything worth putting my name on.)
:( what's wrong?
| 391 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:48:57pm |
re: #386 jaunte
Ron Paul will not suggest that the legal benefits of marriage be changed, he'll just put churches in charge of who gets them.
Ron Paul, if I am no mistaken, would have no governmental benefits.
Period.
Churches would make their own rules about marriage.
Doesn't really matter, he'll never be president.
| 393 |
EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:49:26pm |
re: #381 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Let's get ready to humble!"
/
I'm twice as humble as thou art!
| 394 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:49:30pm |
| 397 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:01pm |
Ron Paul likes the idea of a patriarchal society and religious courts dealing with "family issues." That's different from the Taliban how?
| 398 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:05pm |
re: #390 funky chicken
:( what's wrong?
Just a cold. And crankiness.
And now, it's The Princess's first violin recital.
BBI...whenever it's over.
| 399 |
jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:11pm |
re: #375 Gus 802
Oh brother. This is like reality TV for Bible thumpers.
It was scheduled for an hour when most single people, and many families too, are out on the town or preparing to do so. Maybe not a coincidence.
| 400 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:28pm |
| 401 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:31pm |
| 402 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:32pm |
re: #397 Charles
Ron Paul likes the idea of a patriarchal society and religious courts dealing with "family issues." That's different from the Taliban how?
And according to the Old Testament.
| 403 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:44pm |
re: #397 Charles
Ron Paul likes the idea of a patriarchal society and religious courts dealing with "family issues." That's different from the Taliban how?
It's a finer, gentler stoning. /
| 404 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:48pm |
re: #342 jvic
From
Wow. They'd have a cow if someone made fun of their religion.
I
Since Romney certainly has a reply prepared for the polygamy issue, they have to raise it in his absence.
Why should Mitt have to say anything about polygamy? The official Mormon church banned it over a hundred years ago, and the only time the issue comes up in the modern setting is with marginal nutbar groups like the FLDS.
This is like asking me to have a position on animal sacrifice. We don't do it any more, and it's not a social issue of our day.
| 405 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:51pm |
I have no direct knowledge of the plumbing fixtures in Perry's childhood home, but I do know that his father was a country commissioner and member of the school board. These are not jobs that would typically go to the handful of fringe dwellers who still lacked modern plumbing in 1950s Texas.
I ran across an interesting tidbit that tells me exactly when and where I first crossed paths with Rick Perry:
Perry has said that his interest in politics probably began in November 1961, when his father took him to the funeral of U.S. Representative Sam Rayburn (D-TX),
I was there, too. As I've mentioned before, Mr. Rayburn was my great-great uncle. I don't remember Perry, of course. It was a huge public event, with thousands attending. I was 12 at the time, he was 10, which is a big difference at that stage of life. He was probably one of the many annoying little kids whose parents brought them to the funeral.
| 406 |
austin_blue Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:50:55pm |
re: #379 Charleston Chew
That's the one where Hitler's a painter, right?
Dog's flew spaceships, the Aztecs invented the vacation, and the south really won the war.
| 409 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:51:23pm |
re: #349 Shiplord Kirel
Perry: No indoor plumbing? Bathed in a #10 wash tub? I'm not buying it at all. This was not Bugtussle in the 20s, it was West Texas in the 50s. My mother, who is 20 years older than Perry, and whose folks were much poorer than his, always had indoor plumbing, electricity, and running water when she was young.
Maybe he's talking about the hunting cabin.
| 410 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:51:23pm |
re: #399 jvic
It was scheduled for an hour when most single people, and many families too, are out on the town or preparing to do so. Maybe not a coincidence.
I'd hate to think we are the only people listening to this.
| 411 |
EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:51:26pm |
I'm Christian and I don't get CBN and yet you heathens do.
| 412 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:51:48pm |
But remember kids, it's the bad old secularists who are the angry ones.
| 413 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:52:00pm |
For anyone that's thinking about "punishing " Obama by not voting next year they need to watch this. This is the most extremist right wing religious nuts ever to run for president under the GOP ticket.
| 414 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:52:11pm |
re: #401 Varek Raith
I'm always told that doesn't count!
;)
It doesn't, just the 11 commandments (yes, that one verse about gays also counts)./
| 415 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:52:40pm |
re: #408 jaunte
'Our country will fall!!!'
Funny aren't these the people who say Ronald Reagan was awesome because of his optimism? Oh how Obama being in office changes everything
| 416 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:52:44pm |
Understanding of the Judicial Branch FAIL!
| 417 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:52:45pm |
Bachmann comes out against the black robed shadow cabal.
| 418 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:53:04pm |
re: #413 Gus 802
Not sure. Were Reagan or Bush Sr. better?
| 419 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:53:09pm |
re: #410 Decatur Deb
I'd hate to think we are the only people listening to this.
sadly, that's nearly true...
check the ratings tomorrow
| 420 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:53:37pm |
re: #397 Charles
Ron Paul likes the idea of a patriarchal society and religious courts dealing with "family issues." That's different from the Taliban how?
The patriarchs will be wearing wing-tips, and eat ham sandwiches.
| 422 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:53:38pm |
Family (MY DEFINITION) is the supreme branch of government!
| 424 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:54:10pm |
re: #419 albusteve
sadly, that's nearly true...
check the ratings tomorrow
Colbert will cover it pretty well.
| 425 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:54:37pm |
re: #411 EdDantes
I'm Christian and I don't get CBN and yet you heathens do.
This shows what's wrong with our society.
| 427 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:55:10pm |
| 428 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:55:28pm |
re: #426 Gus 802
It's Godwin night. I'm keeping my mouth shut though.
C'mon. Tell us what you really think.
| 429 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:55:29pm |
re: #426 Gus 802
It's Godwin night. I'm keeping my mouth shut though.
BUT THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME!
...
Wait, no they don't!
I've been ripped off!
| 430 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:55:31pm |
re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist
The patriarchs will be wearing wing-tips, and eat ham sandwiches.
Didn't Montaigne end one essay about human rights with 'Oh, what's the point? They don't wear breeches." ?
| 431 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:55:34pm |
Mom had a reasonable question. She's a witch.
| 432 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:55:59pm |
re: #419 albusteve
sadly, that's nearly true...
check the ratings tomorrow
We're not viewers. We're rubberneckers.
| 434 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:56:09pm |
Lol at Gingrich dissing hedonism and acquisition.
| 435 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:56:50pm |
Here goes Gingrich again with his raw assertion that legislation (DOMA if it gets overturned) can be (re)passed with a clause stating that it can't be appealed to the courts. What the fuck is he smoking?
| 436 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:56:54pm |
re: #434 jaunte
Lol at Gingrich dissing hedonism and acquisition.
I wish there was a hell right now.
| 437 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:57:17pm |
re: #434 jaunte
Lol at Gingrich dissing hedonism and acquisition.
The fact that he wasn't struck down by a bolt of lightning proves there is no god.
| 438 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:57:25pm |
re: #434 jaunte
Lol at Gingrich dissing hedonism and acquisition.
Buys all his sackcloth on Saville Row, all his ashes at Tiffany's.
| 439 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:57:32pm |
re: #435 goddamnedfrank
Here goes Gingrich again with his raw assertion that legislation (DOMA if it gets overturned) can be (re)passed with a clause stating that it can't be appealed to the courts. What the fuck is he smoking?
He knows his audience.
| 440 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:57:34pm |
re: #432 Charleston Chew
We're not viewers. We're rubberneckers.
where's the blood?
where's the guts?
who got voted off?
ask Gus?
| 441 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:57:39pm |
Instead of listening to this pathetic mumbo-jumbo aimed at Christers with a sub-90 IQ, I'm listening to Cevin Key's The Dragon Experience
Much nicer for this Saturday afternoon ^_^
| 442 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:57:48pm |
| 444 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:59:13pm |
Treated equally!
Unless your gay.
Or a woman.
Or a non Christian.
Or a Dem.
Or a...
| 445 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:59:42pm |
re: #444 Varek Raith
Treated equally!
Unless your gay.
Or a woman.
Or a non Christian.
Or a Dem.
Or a...
Union member.
Or, ah fuck it.
| 446 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 3:59:55pm |
re: #437 Charleston Chew
The fact that he wasn't struck down by a bolt of lightning proves there is no god.
Or that god is bad.
| 448 |
jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:00:39pm |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
Why should Mitt have to say anything about polygamy? The official Mormon church banned it over a hundred years ago, and the only time the issue comes up in the modern setting is with marginal nutbar groups like the FLDS.
On the merits, you are correct, it goes without saying. But in politics, there's always the chance that to not refute an attack is to be perceived as acknowledging its legitimacy.
This is like asking me to have a position on animal sacrifice. We don't do it any more, and it's not a social issue of our day.
"Prominent LGF commenter San Francisco Zionist refused to comment on Judaism's position on animal sacrifice."
So the game is played.
| 449 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:01:02pm |
re: #434 jaunte
Lol at Gingrich dissing hedonism and acquisition.
Breathtaking hubris. And the folks at hotair will lap it up. It's become a real love-fest for Newt over there lately.
| 450 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:01:10pm |
| 451 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:01:10pm |
| 452 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:01:26pm |
Gee, Rick, that sounds awfully...
Bureaucratic.
| 453 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:01:51pm |
re: #448 jvic
On the merits, you are correct, it goes without saying. But in politics, there's always the chance that to not refute an attack is to be perceived as acknowledging its legitimacy.
"Prominent LGF commenter San Francisco Zionist refused to comment on Judaism's position on animal sacrifice."
So the game is played.
Yeah. I know.
It's still vile.
| 454 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:02:33pm |
re: #421 Varek Raith
Overturn the SCOTUS?
Uh...
I wonder what the conservatives on the high court think of this nonsense.
| 455 |
Charleston Chew Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:03:25pm |
When are they gonna carve the turkey? Worst Thanksgiving dinner ever.
| 456 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:03:33pm |
Yeah, Michelle, I have no values or morals.
Yep, none.
Oh, wait!
I do!
Funny that.
| 457 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:03:49pm |
re: #435 goddamnedfrank
Here goes Gingrich again with his raw assertion that legislation (DOMA if it gets overturned) can be (re)passed with a clause stating that it can't be appealed to the courts. What the fuck is he smoking?
Newt Gingrich, guardian of marriage.
Facepalm. And like I said, the hotair bunch are all aflutter over Gingrich right now. It's just amazing.
| 461 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:04:49pm |
Bachmann calls for "educational choice" so fundamentalist parents have the best possible chance of teaching their children creationism.
| 462 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:04:53pm |
re: #456 Varek Raith
Yeah, Michelle, I have no values or morals.
Yep, none.
Oh, wait!
I do!
Funny that.
You're not Sith, sir.
| 464 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:05:37pm |
re: #419 albusteve
sadly, that's nearly true...
check the ratings tomorrow
Even the conservative bloggers whose twitters are carried at FrumForum are not watching this debate. Except Byron York, and even he can't find any substance on which to comment.
What a waste of the hour or so that I spent watching that charade.
| 465 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:05:40pm |
re: #462 Sergey Romanov
You're not Sith, sir.
You misunderstand my definition of 'morals' and 'values'.
;)
| 466 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:05:56pm |
This is where Ron Paul loses the audience. Except now it's the other party's war.
| 467 |
albusteve Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:06:55pm |
my words to Bachmann and her posse...
when your morally corrupt theocracy imposes itself on me, I will resist til my last breath
| 468 |
Atlas Fails Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:07:00pm |
Ron Paul...making sense. *Sigh* too bad he's such a nutjob on domestic issues.
| 469 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:07:15pm |
| 470 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:07:19pm |
Dontcha' just want to hug RP and pat him on the head?
| 471 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:07:29pm |
Gingrich and Perry are now rubbing their balls to get ready to answer this question.
| 473 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:08:28pm |
re: #461 Charles
Bachmann calls for "educational choice" so fundamentalist parents have the best possible chance of teaching their children creationism.
"Educational choice" is already here. There are plenty of private schools that parents can choose, and there are many homeschool curriculum companies that provide materials to families who chose to pay for them.
What Bachmann is asking for is for parents to get government funding for religious indoctrination of children.
How is that fiscally conservative, or representative of rugged individualism? Has Herman Cain told people to blame themselves if they can't afford private schools for their kids?
| 474 |
austin_blue Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:08:28pm |
We don't have detention? Michelle's a loon!
| 476 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:08:41pm |
If Romney wins the nomination and then wins the election, one of these nutjobs will be the VP.
| 478 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:29pm |
Gee, Cain, we'd be at war with half the world to defend freedom.
| 479 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:36pm |
OK, this debate has now begun to rob me of the will to live.
| 480 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:37pm |
I am reminded that 2012 was the year of Nehemiah Scudder's election in Heinlein's Future History. Ushering in a century long theocracy. SO hey GOP -
If This Goes On! Scudder 2012!
| 481 |
Olsonist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:47pm |
re: #476 Sergey Romanov
Nope. That would be Christie. I think they've figured that out, that they're not running for VP.
| 482 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:09:54pm |
re: #435 goddamnedfrank
"I see here that Congress called 'no backsies' when re-passing this bill that we've already deemed unconstitutional. Our hands are tied here, sorry."
-Supreme Court
| 484 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:10:24pm |
| 486 |
elizajane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:10:31pm |
re: #476 Sergey Romanov
If Romney wins the nomination and the wins the election, one of these nutjobs will be the VP.
Not a chance. He'll have learned his lesson from McCain and will pick an only slightly crazy person with foreign policy experience. It would be super (but unlikely) if he could find somebody who fit that description and were not a white male.
| 487 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:10:42pm |
Please let an asteroid strike the Earth down.
/
| 488 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:11:06pm |
Hey Chief?
Yeah, the military is civilian controlled.
| 491 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:11:38pm |
re: #481 Olsonist
Nope. That would be Christie.
He's not not going to make Christi is running mate. I'm sure he'd like to but he can't unless he wants to have his party's base stay home. Christie for AG would be more likely.
| 494 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:12:13pm |
re: #235 Summer
And remember, people, we need more Jesus in the President, and the Courts, and the Legislature, and society, and the laws, and our country, and the world.
Onwards Christian GOP.
Onwards.
Until you fall off of the edge of the world, please.
Oh please. Oh please oh please oh please...fall off. Yes. Spare the U.S. and humanity at large of their self-righteous, sanctimonious, bat guano crazy malarcky.
| 496 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:12:29pm |
| 497 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:12:40pm |
re: #491 HappyWarrior
He's not not going to make Christi is running mate. I'm sure he'd like to but he can't unless he wants to have his party's base stay home. Christie for AG would be more likely.
The base like Christie. The Pam Geller mob would shut up if somebody big like Bolton told them to, and he would.
| 498 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:12:55pm |
| 499 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:13:29pm |
| 501 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:13:35pm |
re: #473 funky chicken
"Educational choice" is already here. There are plenty of private schools that parents can choose, and there are many homeschool curriculum companies that provide materials to families who chose to pay for them.
What Bachmann is asking for is for parents to get government funding for religious indoctrination of children.
How is that fiscally conservative, or representative of rugged individualism? Has Herman Cain told people to blame themselves if they can't afford private schools for their kids?
No, no, no, you don't get it.
Americans expecting their government to shell out to provide good public schools is shameless socialism.
Americans expecting their government to foot the bill for private schools that teach a weird and extreme version of their faith is meritorious, as long as that faith is Christianity, and they're not Mormons.
| 502 |
Sionainn Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:13:51pm |
re: #494 eclectic infidel
Oh please. Oh please oh please oh please...fall off. Yes. Spare the U.S. and humanity at large of their self-righteous sanctimonious, bat guano crazy, bullsh*t.
Bat guano has a useful purpose. These people? Not so much.
| 503 |
CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:14:12pm |
You know, while their public sanctimony, displays of weeping "humility", and maudlin accounts of epiphany make me gag, they're entitled to them. They may even sincerely believe them. I have no way of knowing for sure, but I have to say that their ability to effortlessly switch from pious tears to vicious attacks without batting an eye—not to mention the apparent relish with which they launch them—puts their sincerity seriously in doubt AFAIC.
Anyway, fine, whatever. However, any American who listens to these people at any length and can't see that they don't simply want to be free to practice their own faith the way they see fit, they want to cram their version of The Truth™ down everyone else's throat is a flaming idiot that needs to pull their head out of their ass unless they want to wake up one day and find themselves living in Christianistan.
Iran, Santorum?
These assholes want to turn the U.S. into Iran. Iran, except white, extremist, fundamentalist Christian, and armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.
Think about that.
| 504 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:14:24pm |
re: #480 wlewisiii
I am reminded that 2012 was the year of Nehemiah Scudder's election in Heinlein's Future History. Ushering in a century long theocracy. SO hey GOP -
If This Goes On! Scudder 2012!
I think it's entirely possible that Nehemiah Scudder would be considered a liberal wuss by these people.
| 505 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:14:26pm |
Yeah, we can only delay Iran from obtaining a nuke. They'll eventually get one.
Sorry, thems the breaks.
| 507 |
Atlas Fails Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:14:39pm |
Frothy Mix, making up historic facts. He also gave the best line of the night so far: "What's long for us isn't long for them." Rick's apparently impressed with Arab dick.
/cheap shot
| 508 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:15:08pm |
re: #490 Decatur Deb
Why does the GOP hate GWB?
Well, among other things, he was president in the real world for eight years, thus undermining their fantasy.
| 509 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:15:24pm |
re: #497 funky chicken
The base like Christie. The Pam Geller mob would shut up if somebody big like Bolton told them to, and he would.
I just don't see it t all sorry. I think Romney would like to have Christie as a running mate much like McCain was drawn to Lieberman but I can't see see the base for it especially with anti Muslim fearmongreling.
| 510 |
Kragar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:15:25pm |
re: #505 Varek Raith
Yeah, we can only delay Iran from obtaining a nuke. They'll eventually get one.
Sorry, thems the breaks.
Nothing we can do about. There are mountains involved.
| 512 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:15:52pm |
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
| 513 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:15:53pm |
re: #505 Varek Raith
Yeah, we can only delay Iran from obtaining a nuke. They'll eventually get one.
Sorry, thems the breaks.
Not too much of a concern with Israel on our side.
| 514 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:16:02pm |
Doing things the fast way is what gets us into trouble.
| 517 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:16:37pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
What the hell is he smoking?
| 519 |
zora Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:16:52pm |
re: #435 goddamnedfrank
Here goes Gingrich again with his raw assertion that legislation (DOMA if it gets overturned) can be (re)passed with a clause stating that it can't be appealed to the courts. What the fuck is he smoking?
this is the kind of shit that makes him "brilliant". i keep hearing what a smart guy he is, yet i've seen no evidence. i guess smart is now a euphemism for professional, highly paid bullshitter.
| 522 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:18:00pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
I think the hubris was just turned to eleventy.
| 523 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:18:22pm |
"Well, that ought to hold the rubes for another week".
| 526 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:19:06pm |
re: #519 zora
this is the kind of shit that makes him "brilliant". i keep hearing what a smart guy he is, yet i've seen no evidence. i guess smart is now a euphemism for professional, highly paid bullshitter.
He's not as smart as he thinks he is. He's a phony intellectual.
| 528 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:19:51pm |
re: #525 jaunte
"What not to include in a speech to NATO."
If the Europeans hear this crap tonight they would have to be laughing. What a load of BS. Talk about the arrogant American.
| 529 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:19:53pm |
| 530 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:19:56pm |
re: #397 Charles
Ron Paul likes the idea of a patriarchal society and religious courts dealing with "family issues." That's different from the Taliban how?
Because he's a white Christian male that speaks English and votes Republican. That's how.
| 531 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:20:16pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
So, we can bring our people home from Afghanistan now? Because we're the only people who carry war outside our borders?
What the hell was he blathering about?
| 532 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:20:29pm |
| 533 |
CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:20:32pm |
re: #527 Varek Raith
I think I need a new brain.
I definitely feel the need for some brain bleach after listening to all that crap.
| 534 |
Olsonist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:21:09pm |
re: #484 Sergey Romanov
Not if Romney wants the TP vote.
A) The TP have no place to go in November.
B) Palin didn't push McCain over the top.
C) All of them are damaged goods. Very damaged in most cases.
D) None of them have a state in play that they can deliver.
E) Huntsman, a double Mormon ticket? He's running for 2016
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Christie on the other hand is staying out of the fray. They only strange thing is that Republicans actually have to vote for Romney, actually have to pull the lever. And as we have seen, Republicans are just whack and TP Republicans are max whack.
So Cain wins the nomination.
| 535 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:21:17pm |
re: #533 CuriousLurker
I definitely feel the need for some brain bleach after listening to all that crap.
Mental reformats for sale!
| 536 |
Atlas Fails Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:21:22pm |
I was just waiting to hear "Agenda 21: the biggest threat to planet earth, or the biggest threat in the fucking universe?"
Disappointing.
| 537 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:21:37pm |
I am glad I am not actually watching because I feel dumber just from hearing what these clowns are saying. And I'm doing something productive by adding content to my paper too.
| 538 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:21:49pm |
re: #507 Atlas Fails
Frothy Mix, making up historic facts. He also gave the best line of the night so far: "What's long for us isn't long for them." Rick's apparently impressed with Arab dick.
/cheap shot
Yeeehaw!!
I assume the actual context was one of these 'the Arabs are hunkered down for the thousand-year-war, so we'd better just go along with that' routines?
| 539 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:21:52pm |
| 540 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:22:16pm |
re: #531 funky chicken
I think the message was:
'We have family attachments to our armed forces, unlike everyone else on Earth, so it's important to use them wisely.'
| 541 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:22:28pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
This is an interesting concept.
Who do they send? Second cousins they don't like very much?
| 542 |
jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:23:13pm |
re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist
He's lucky not many people listen to him.
| 543 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:23:25pm |
re: #528 Gus 802
If the Europeans hear this crap tonight they would have to be laughing. What a load of BS. Talk about the arrogant American.
Sadly, I think Europeans can find footage of this online. Many of them speak English.
This is rather embarassing.
| 544 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:23:42pm |
re: #534 Olsonist
A) The TP have no place to go in November.
B) Palin didn't push McCain over the top.
C) All of them are damaged goods. Very damaged in most cases.
D) None of them have a state in play that they can deliver.
E) Huntsman, a double Mormon ticket? He's running for 2016et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Christie on the other hand is staying out of the fray. They only strange thing is that Republicans actually have to vote for Romney, actually have to pull the lever. And as we have seen, Republicans are just whack and TP Republicans are max whack.
So Cain wins the nomination.
Bob McDonnell is more likely than Christie. Potential to swing Virginia back to the GOP, staunchly conservative unlike Christie and can sell himself to the general public as a moderate. He's also a vet. They won't go stupid with a Palin clone but Christie is unlikely.
| 545 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:23:50pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
Man, I got to work on my arrogance.
It just can't compete.
/
| 546 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:24:17pm |
re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist
Sadly, I think Europeans can find footage of this online. Many of them speak English.
This is rather embarassing.
I'm Canadian.
/Eh
| 547 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:24:27pm |
re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist
Sadly, I think Europeans can find footage of this online. Many of them speak English.
This is rather embarassing.
They should watch. They need to know how crazy Republican really are. In fact they need to know how much crazier they've gotten since Bush left the White House.
| 548 |
Interesting Times Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:24:44pm |
re: #540 jaunte
I think the message was:
'We have family attachments to our armed forces, unlike everyone else on Earth, so it's important to use them wisely.'
That's even more insidious when you think about it - "Hey, if other countries don't value life as much as we do, we can kill as many of their citizens as we want, whenever we want. It's not like they'd miss them."
| 549 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:25:23pm |
re: #545 Varek Raith
Man, I got to work on my arrogance.
It just can't compete.
/
Cheat on your SO and claim you did it because you love Uz-beki-beki-beki-beki-stan.
| 550 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:25:56pm |
re: #540 jaunte
I think the message was:
'We have family attachments to our armed forces, unlike everyone else on Earth, so it's important to use them wisely.'
Other nations just use clones of Jango Fett, and no one cares about them, so you can just get them all killed.
Maybe we should try that.
| 551 |
austin_blue Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:11pm |
| 552 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:21pm |
re: #546 Varek Raith
I'm Canadian.
/Eh
Nothing like the Great White North. Too bad they're Canadian. They got my vote.
| 553 |
kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:22pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
I'm sure the various Canadian, British, French, German (etc) veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will agree.
/
| 554 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:34pm |
re: #547 Gus 802
They should watch. They need to know how crazy Republican really are. In fact they need to know how much crazier they've gotten since Bush left the White House.
No kidding. If Europeans were annoyed by Bush, wait till they meet this crowd.
| 555 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:38pm |
Evening Lizardim. How are things out there in the land of the odd? What's tonight's drinking game?
| 556 |
funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:26:56pm |
re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist
Red headed step children, and ones who bear tragic resemblance to Newt Gingrich. I know this is shallow, but he's just so revoltingly unattractive.
The aesthetics of an Obama vs Gingrich debate....people say Kennedy vs Nixon was shocking...but Obama vs Gingrich.
And Michelle vs Callista? Which wife is gonna actually help to appeal to normal women?
| 557 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:27:06pm |
| 558 |
Atlas Fails Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:28:11pm |
re: #538 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeeehaw!!
I assume the actual context was one of these 'the Arabs are hunkered down for the thousand-year-war, so we'd better just go along with that' routines?
Yep, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. He started off with some bizarre comment about how much older their antiques are than ours, then talked about the 1000-year war between radical Islam and the West, and how we won 'cause our culture was so superior, but now teh oil, etc.
In high school, I had a friend who had to give an oral report on the history of the Middle East. He blew off the research, and mostly bullshat his way through the thing, even saying that the ME didn't have deserts until we destroyed all its vegetation with war. That report gave a more accurate summary of ME and Islamic history than Google Problem.
| 559 |
zora Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:28:19pm |
this hot air comment is funny:
Had to leave again… what did I miss?
Aslans Girl on November 19, 2011 at 6:32 PM
Their talking about their faith. Perry said he believed in the Father, the Son and….uhhhh….ummmmmm :)
29Victor on November 19, 2011 at 6:37 PM
| 560 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:28:27pm |
Holy crap...is the debate still going? Wait...I love my wife too much to subject her to GOP debates.
| 562 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:29:07pm |
re: #554 HappyWarrior
No kidding. If Europeans were annoyed by Bush, wait till they meet this crowd.
The one thing that overrides the embarassment is a sneaking sense of one-upsmanship.
You thought George Bush was a brainless yoik who wanted to be John Wayne? You think that was the lowest we could go? Oh, boy, you ain't seen nothing yet.
| 563 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:29:51pm |
re: #561 Gus 802
Whew. Keeps getting stranger.
Romney and Huntsman stayed away.
They probably weren't invited or decided accepting Christ as their personal lord and savior was too high a price to pay for an Iowan vote.
| 565 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:30:15pm |
Oddly enough, the two Mormons among the GOP field decided to sit this one out.
The morons didn't abstain though.
| 567 |
Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:30:45pm |
re: #512 jaunte
Gingrich claiming that, unlike the US, other countries don't send their sons and fathers to war.
Pfft. Don't you know that the only lives that matter are American?
///
| 568 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:31:20pm |
re: #566 jaunte
It's over; everyone is just stunned.
They should have set the phasers on 'evaporate' instead of 'stun'...
| 569 |
austin_blue Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:32:02pm |
Later Lizards. SWMBO is gigging tonight at Maria's Taco Express.
Yummm....
| 570 |
Varek Raith Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:32:13pm |
Yikes.
Half a dozen fire units went up the main road a few minutes ago.
| 571 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:32:18pm |
re: #567 Lidane
Pfft. Don't you know that the only lives that matter are American?
///
Yeah, because we single-handedly won both World Wars, so what's Iraq and Afghanistan compared to that?/
| 572 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:32:30pm |
re: #563 darthstar
They probably weren't invited or decided accepting Christ as their personal lord and savior was too high a price to pay for an Iowan vote.
I think they've already accepted him in that role. They just didn't want to have the evening end with the rest of the group deciding to stone them to show willing.
| 573 |
EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:33:48pm |
The religious right is not going propel any of them into white house. But unfortunately pandering is an age-old tactic. The President , should represent everyone.
| 574 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:34:25pm |
re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist
I think they've already accepted him in that role. They just didn't want to have the evening end with the rest of the group deciding to stone them to show willing.
You know that and I know that, but the Iowa GOP doesn't know that.
| 575 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:34:41pm |
re: #562 SanFranciscoZionist
The one thing that overrides the embarassment is a sneaking sense of one-upsmanship.
You thought George Bush was a brainless yoik who wanted to be John Wayne? You think that was the lowest we could go? Oh, boy, you ain't seen nothing yet.
I've said it before but I never thought I'd see George Bush as reasonable and wish he were the defacto head of the GOP. Bachmann apparently calls him a socialist in her new book. Goes to show you how unhinged she is.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:35:33pm |
@Gus_802 Gus
Newt Gingrich thinks ONLY Americans send their mothers, fathers, sons and daughters to war. #tff11 #p2 #p21 #tlot #hubris #arrogance #europe
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Atlas Fails Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:35:55pm |
| 578 |
Interesting Times Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:35:59pm |
re: #562 SanFranciscoZionist
You thought George Bush was a brainless yoik who wanted to be John Wayne? You think that was the lowest we could go? Oh, boy, you ain't seen nothing yet.
And no matter how dissatisfied I may be with some decisions Obama's taken, how can I not feel a certain sympathy for him? That the GOP establishment and its base are so utterly filled with hate and contempt for him that they think this disgraceful pack of God-bothering, homophobic, xenophobic, willfully ignorant know-nothings are worthy opponents?
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Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:37:10pm |
re: #575 HappyWarrior
I've said it before but I never thought I'd see George Bush as reasonable and wish he were the defacto head of the GOP. Bachmann apparently calls him a socialist in her new book. Goes to show you how unhinged she is.
The horse ran screaming from her barn a long time ago.
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jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:37:16pm |
re: #219 Sionainn
Bachmann: Congress can limit what cases courts hear.
Seriously?
Yes, to some extent, but IMHO Bachmann is overreaching.
Wikipedia quotes the Constitution on jurisdiction stripping:
Congress may not strip the U.S. Supreme Court of jurisdiction over those cases that fall under the Court's original jurisdiction defined in the U.S. Constitution, and instead Congress can only limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Court.[8] According to the Constitution, the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction in, "all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party...."
Sound like a reasonable set-up. But the passage continues:
This last state-shall-be-a-party language does not mean that the U.S. Supreme Court has original jurisdiction merely because a state is a plaintiff or defendant, even if a provision of the U.S. Constitution is at issue; instead, the controversy must be between two or more states, or between a state and citizens of another state, or between a state and foreigners.[9][10]
This presumably is what Bachmann is relying on, but it makes no sense to me in terms of the quoted Constitutional text. I found the references impenetrable to a quick look. Perhaps someone who is trained in law can speak up.
Additionally, in 1892, the Court decided that it has original jurisdiction in cases between a state and the United States.[11]
This sounds correct to me and invalidates Bachmann's presumed argument. (If a Congress took exception to this assertion of jurisdiction, there would be a lollapalooza of a Constitutional crisis--especially if the Congress were supported by the President.)
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jaunte Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:38:43pm |
Gingrich is above practical politics.
A self-described "ideas man," Gingrich is the author of 23 books. Weekly Standard Senior Editor Andrew Ferguson has a helpful summary of his oeuvre. The takeaways: Gingrich is fond of saying that the United States is at a crossroads and that technology will lead us away from catastrophe. His earlier books are filled with rapid-fire streams of ideas for bettering society, often without details about how to implement them.
"Gingrich's vagueness was always a problem," wrote Ferguson. "But the books show something more: a near-total lack of interest in the political implementation of his grand ideas—a lack of interest, finally, in politics at its most mundane and consequential level."
As the New York Times details, Gingrich has pushed to reinvent himself in part by putting a new emphasis on faith. He recently told supporters that he believes America is becoming too secular. Gingrich converted to Catholicism after marrying his third wife, Callista, in 2000. In a 2009 Weekly Standard opinion piece co-authored with Callista, Gingrich wrote that religion was key to the triumph of the capitalist West in the Cold War. In his words, "the spiritual nature of man and the freedom to know God were central to defining humanity and decisive in defeating tyranny."
[Link: www.propublica.org...]
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darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:39:17pm |
Holy fuck! Didn't someone tell them a giant pre-christian fertility symbol was on the floor in front of their table?
Image: 111119_family_leader_wide_ap_605.jpg
Huntsman and Romney were right...it was a trap!
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Altermite Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:39:54pm |
Glad I missed it. How was it? Low points? Were there even high points?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:40:07pm |
Top Republican Is Doubtful Deficit Panel Deal Can Be Reached
The second-ranking Senate Republican declared Saturday that the work of a special Congressional committee on deficit reduction was all but over, and said that efforts to strike a bipartisan deal had been worthy but unavailing.
s he emerged from his office in the Capitol, Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, a member of the panel, spoke of the committee in the past tense, using sober words to describe a seemingly unsuccessful 10-week quest for a compromise.
Gone were the histrionics, the talking points and the posturing that as late as Friday had characterized reports of secret negotiations among committee members.
Asked to describe the focus of a possible compromise, Mr. Kyl said, “I’m not sure there is one.”
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:40:42pm |
re: #559 zora
this hot air comment is funny:
Had to leave again… what did I miss?
Aslans Girl on November 19, 2011 at 6:32 PM
Their talking about their faith. Perry said he believed in the Father, the Son and….uhhh….ummm :)
29Victor on November 19, 2011 at 6:37 PM
I wonder if that's the same one that used to post here.
293 Aslan's Girl 11/26/2006 8:48:28 pm PST
PS to my #291, Of course I'm referring only to the Torah & Bible, not the Koran which is not God's Word.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:40:59pm |
re: #582 darthstar
Holy fuck! Didn't someone tell them a giant pre-christian fertility symbol was on the floor in front of their table?
Image: 111119_family_leader_wide_ap_605.jpg
Huntsman and Romney were right...it was a trap!
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:42:46pm |
Speaking of Godwin and all things extremist.
EDL splinter groups may target public sector strikers, unions warn
Britain's biggest unions are warning of a threat of violence by far-right groups during national strike action this month, amid concern that fascist elements are increasingly intent on targeting striking public sector workers.
Unite, Unison and the TUC said they were taking the prospect of disruption by far-right supporters seriously, and had begun to liaise with police to assess any risk to pickets or those on protest marches. The development follows signs that splinter groups from the English Defence League are broadening their campaign from targeting Muslims to trade unionists and socialist organisations. Members of the EDL have recently been involved in attacks on anti-racist and anti-cuts protesters, as well as attempting to target the Occupy movement which has camped outside St Paul's Cathedral.
More than two million workers are expected to walk out on 30 November during a day of protest against public sector pension changes...
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:43:22pm |
re: #582 darthstar
Holy fuck! Didn't someone tell them a giant pre-christian fertility symbol was on the floor in front of their table?
Image: 111119_family_leader_wide_ap_605.jpg
Huntsman and Romney were right...it was a trap!
Shit, I knew that cornucopia reminded me of something.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:43:35pm |
re: #571 thedopefishlives
Yeah, because we single-handedly won both World Wars, so what's Iraq and Afghanistan compared to that?/
Pretty much. If you listen to these Real Murikan Exceptionalists, nobody else fought in World War 2. In fact, it was entirely the Hitler show until the Japanese fucked up the narrative by bombing Pearl Harbor. After that, someone was finally fighting back against the Nazis.
The idea that more than American soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pfft. They don't even think about that.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:43:54pm |
re: #588 Gus 802
Speaking of Godwin and all things extremist.
EDL splinter groups may target public sector strikers, unions warn
fascist fucks.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:44:23pm |
re: #588 Gus 802
Speaking of Godwin and all things extremist.
EDL splinter groups may target public sector strikers, unions warn
Violent protesters stink. Maybe they'll get pepper sprayed.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:44:31pm |
re: #434 jaunte
Lol at Gingrich dissing hedonism and acquisition.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
Speechless. And what the hell did his trophy wife do to her face? I found one very small pic of the two of them at some dinner many years ago, and she looked nothing like this. I can't find the pic now. It's like old images of her have gone down some memory hole.
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:44:45pm |
re: #584 Killgore Trout
Top Republican Is Doubtful Deficit Panel Deal Can Be Reached
Would somebody like to point out to Mr. Kyl that it was statements like his own, early into the committe's work, declaring a refusal to consider defense cuts in the final proposal, that might have sunk any chances of coming to an agreement?
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:45:35pm |
re: #592 Killgore Trout
Violent protesters stink. Maybe they'll get pepper sprayed.
I'd like to spray them with garlic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:45:45pm |
re: #590 Lidane
Pretty much. If you listen to these Real Murikan Exceptionalists, nobody else fought in World War 2. In fact, it was entirely the Hitler show until the Japanese fucked up the narrative by bombing Pearl Harbor. After that, someone was finally fighting back against the Nazis.
The idea that more than American soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pfft. They don't even think about that.
What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Bluto-Animal House
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:45:53pm |
re: #594 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Would somebody like to point out to Mr. Kyl that it was statements like his own, early into the committe's work, declaring a refusal to consider defense cuts in the final proposal, that might have sunk any chances of coming to an agreement?
That would require real personal responsibility not the kind when a child of privilege like Kyl tells poor people they need it.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:46:45pm |
re: #596 Cannadian Club Akbar
What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Bluto-Animal House
I wonder if in hte Animal House universe, Bluto's still in the Senate or president by now.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:47:12pm |
re: #594 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Would somebody like to point out to Mr. Kyl that it was statements like his own, early into the committe's work, declaring a refusal to consider defense cuts in the final proposal, that might have sunk any chances of coming to an agreement?
I don't think they made any secret about it. There was never any chance of a deal. Now the only question is if the automatic cuts kick in for missing the deadline. I wouldn;t be surprised if someone finds a loophole to keep that from happening. Drudge has been pimping a story that we may face a further credit downgrade over this. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:47:41pm |
re: #584 Killgore Trout
Probably because his side is bugfuck insane, and constantly moves the goalposts when the Democrats give.
This just came out of Burma/Myanmar
Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy (flag pictured), banned in Burma since May 2010, announces that it will re-register as a political party.
That, along with the fact that a planned hydroelectric plant between the previous junta and the PRC was put on hole after the people objected, gives me hope that something special is going on.
China is somewhat worried. It seems, now that the people of Burma/Myanmar have been listened to (to a point at least) , the Burmese want nothing to do with the PRC.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:47:57pm |
re: #595 Gus 802
I'd like to spray them with garlic.
I'll bring the butter. I bet fascists taste like chicken.
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Interesting Times Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:48:04pm |
re: #593 funky chicken
[Link: www.slate.com...]
Speechless. And what the hell did his trophy wife do to her face?
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wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:48:04pm |
re: #590 Lidane
Pretty much. If you listen to these Real Murikan Exceptionalists, nobody else fought in World War 2. In fact, it was entirely the Hitler show until the Japanese fucked up the narrative by bombing Pearl Harbor. After that, someone was finally fighting back against the Nazis.
The idea that more than American soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pfft. They don't even think about that.
Let's not also forget that many American conservatives didn't have much of a problem with Hitler before Pearl Harbor.
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Lidane Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:48:16pm |
re: #598 HappyWarrior
I wonder if in hte Animal House universe, Bluto's still in the Senate or president by now.
He's currently running for POTUS, if Gingrich's idiocy is anything to go by.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:49:04pm |
re: #590 Lidane
Pretty much. If you listen to these Real Murikan Exceptionalists, nobody else fought in World War 2. In fact, it was entirely the Hitler show until the Japanese fucked up the narrative by bombing Pearl Harbor. After that, someone was finally fighting back against the Nazis.
The idea that more than American soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pfft. They don't even think about that.
I know history is written by the winners, but can we at least TRY to write the history that really happened instead of the one that paints us with the world's biggest penis?
| 607 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:50:21pm |
re: #603 wilburs
Let's not also forget that many American conservatives didn't have much of a problem with Hitler before Pearl Harbor.
I was going over microfiche at my socialist lieberryTM a couple years ago. The stories I saw from '38-'39. Unreal.
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wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:50:30pm |
Callista is going to seriously creep out many Americans if Newt gets the nod.
On the other hand, Ann Romney is pretty cool.
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:50:40pm |
re: #597 HappyWarrior
That would require real personal responsibility not the kind when a child of privilege like Kyl tells poor people they need it.
It's just hilarious hearing Kyl and other naysayers now suddenly shocked that the committee's work came to naught. A lot of folks, myself included amongst them, said in the beginning that this committee wouldn't work, because the GOP get their way regardless. Either they use the mandatory cuts as a reason to bully the Dems into yet another one-sided "agreement," or they let the cuts happen and blame the Dems for them.
| 610 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:51:09pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:51:15pm |
re: #608 wilburs
Callista is going to seriously creep out many Americans if Newt gets the nod.
On the other hand, Ann Romney is pretty cool.
Huntsman's wife is teh hottie.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:51:30pm |
re: #584 Killgore Trout
Top Republican Is Doubtful Deficit Panel Deal Can Be Reached
In a well-ordered society wouldn't they all be on seppaku-watch?
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:51:56pm |
re: #590 Lidane
Pretty much. If you listen to these Real Murikan Exceptionalists, nobody else fought in World War 2. In fact, it was entirely the Hitler show until the Japanese fucked up the narrative by bombing Pearl Harbor. After that, someone was finally fighting back against the Nazis.
The idea that more than American soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pfft. They don't even think about that.
To be honest, these idiots don't think about the Americans fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan much either. My husband flies airplanes that were built in the 1960s in combat situations. Nobody has any plan to replace them, even though Japan, S. Korea, Australia, and GB have replaced their analogues...with American-made Boeings, to boot.
GWB didn't do one damn thing to upgrade our military hardware. Just like he didn't do one damn thing to upgrade our infrastructure. They are very similar issues, actually. Rebuilding both will take massive investment, but for the GOP it's more important to give huge tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.
| 614 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:52:19pm |
re: #606 thedopefishlives
Honestly, this whole revisionist WWII history thing is one of my biggest pet peeves. The Soviet Union, for all its faults, threw millions of its men into a meat grinder defending itself against the Nazis. They don't deserve to be consigned to a footnote in history.
| 615 |
CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:53:10pm |
re: #595 Gus 802
I'd like to spray them with garlic.
I think we should rub them with a little ginger & curry powder and serve them on a bed of basmati rice with some nan & mango chutney on the side. It'll make them much tastier and really annoy the hell out of them. //
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:53:19pm |
re: #611 Cannadian Club Akbar
Huntsman's wife is teh hottie.
His daughters as I recall are kinda cute. And before you all look at me like that, they're all over 18 and only one of them is younger than me.
| 617 |
Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:53:19pm |
re: #599 Killgore Trout
I don't think they made any secret about it. There was never any chance of a deal. Now the only question is if the automatic cuts kick in for missing the deadline. I wouldn;t be surprised if someone finds a loophole to keep that from happening. Drudge has been pimping a story that we may face a further credit downgrade over this. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I'm not sure whether it's a case of being downgraded again by S&P or the other two joining in the initial downgrade. Either way, the reasoning will be the same: Our debt can't be tackled while it's being used as a weapon in partisan games.
| 618 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:53:25pm |
re: #613 funky chicken
In our defense, some of those 1960's and 1970's designs are just that good.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:53:42pm |
re: #596 Cannadian Club Akbar
What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Bluto-Animal House
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
| 620 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:53:59pm |
re: #616 HappyWarrior
His daughters as I recall are kinda cute. And before you all look at me like that, they're all over 18 and only one of them is younger than me.
Why would I look at you like that? You do need a wingman, right?:)
| 621 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:54:10pm |
re: #603 wilburs
Let's not also forget that many American conservatives didn't have much of a problem with Hitler before Pearl Harbor.
This is true. Same thing with many British conservatives really outside Churchill and some others.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:55:09pm |
re: #594 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Would somebody like to point out to Mr. Kyl that it was statements like his own, early into the committe's work, declaring a refusal to consider defense cuts in the final proposal, that might have sunk any chances of coming to an agreement?
As long as we have people flying 45 year old planes in combat, defense cuts shouldn't be on the table. Get our people out of Afghanistan, then we can talk defense cuts.
We wouldn't need to, because what we spend annually to keep our people there would easily pay for upgraded military hardware.
| 623 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:55:31pm |
re: #620 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why would I look at you like that? You do need a wingman, right?:)
Well maybe not you but the people who don't know I'm 24...... Funny family story but my dad unsuccessfully hit on Maria Shriver and Susan Ford in the 70's.
| 624 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:55:32pm |
re: #615 CuriousLurker
I think we should rub them with a little ginger & curry powder and serve them on a bed of basmati rice with some nan & mango chutney on the side. It'll make them much tastier and really annoy the hell out of them. //
No cumin? We gotta have the cumin. The more ethnic the ingredients the better. Might as well throw in some olive oil. //
| 625 |
ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:56:54pm |
re: #622 funky chicken
Okay, aside of the still very reliable and versatile B-52, what planes are 45 years old?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:57:19pm |
re: #623 HappyWarrior
Well maybe not you but the people who don't know I'm 24... Funny family story but my dad unsuccessfully hit on Maria Shriver and Susan Ford in the 70's.
When I was 19 I was sleeping with my 36 Y/O boss. Not relevant but a good story.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:58:01pm |
re: #624 Gus 802
No cumin? We gotta have the cumin. The more ethnic the ingredients the better. Might as well throw in some olive oil. //
Sure, why not? Let's add some jalapeños, sofrito, maybe a little chimichurri sauce, pita bread... //
| 628 |
HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:58:04pm |
re: #626 Cannadian Club Akbar
When I was 19 I was sleeping with my 36 Y/O boss. Not relevant but a good story.
Cougars, nice!
| 629 |
aagcobb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:58:41pm |
re: #614 thedopefishlives
Honestly, this whole revisionist WWII history thing is one of my biggest pet peeves. The Soviet Union, for all its faults, threw millions of its men into a meat grinder defending itself against the Nazis. They don't deserve to be consigned to a footnote in history.
The scale of the fighting on the Eastern Front dwarfs anything else in the history of warfare. The Battle of Kursk alone was bigger than most wars. Not to diss our veterans, but the Western Front was a sideshow in comparison.
| 630 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:58:50pm |
re: #627 CuriousLurker
Sure, why not? Let's add some jalapeños, sofrito, maybe a little chimichurri sauce, pita bread... //
I make kick ass chimichurri.
| 631 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:59:30pm |
I'm still chuckling over Gingrich's BS line about "hedonism and acquisition." Especially the acquisition part.
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aagcobb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 4:59:37pm |
re: #626 Cannadian Club Akbar
When I was 19 I was sleeping with my 36 Y/O boss. Not relevant but a good story.
It wasn't Cain, I hope./
| 633 |
wrenchwench Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:00:17pm |
re: #627 CuriousLurker
Sure, why not? Let's add some jalapeños, sofrito, maybe a little chimichurri sauce, pita bread... //
Mmmm, sofrito....
| 634 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:00:21pm |
re: #627 CuriousLurker
Sure, why not? Let's add some jalapeños, sofrito, maybe a little chimichurri sauce, pita bread... //
Wait. I'm lost now. Is this for Gingrich or the EDL?
//
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:00:28pm |
re: #625 ProLifeLiberal
The Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker is an aerial refueling military aircraft. It and the Boeing 707 airliner were developed from the Boeing 367-80 prototype. The KC-135 was the US Air Force's first jet-powered refueling tanker and replaced the KC-97 Stratotanker. The Stratotanker was initially tasked to refuel strategic bombers, but was used extensively in the Vietnam War and later conflicts such as Operation Desert Storm to extend the range and endurance of US tactical fighters and bombers.
Serving with the United States Air Force (USAF) since 1957, it is one of just six military fixed-wing aircraft with over 50 years of continuous service with its original operator. The KC-135 is supplemented by the larger KC-10. Despite increased maintenance costs, studies conclude many of the aircraft could be flown until 2040. The aircraft will be replaced by the Boeing KC-46.
| 636 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:00:46pm |
| 637 |
CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:00:55pm |
| 638 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:01:24pm |
re: #625 ProLifeLiberal
Okay, aside of the still very reliable and versatile B-52, what planes are 45 years old?
B-52 first flew 59 years ago. Don't know about individual airframes. Could be some UH-1s flying as trainers at Ft. Rucker.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:01:31pm |
re: #618 thedopefishlives
In our defense, some of those 1960's and 1970's designs are just that good.
The A-10, the F-16, etc., etc.
Ferchistsakes, the BUFF has been in service, with upgrades and improvements, for for over fifty years; the C-130 is close behind that.
| 640 |
CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:03pm |
re: #634 Gus 802
Wait. I'm lost now. Is this for Gingrich or the EDL?
//
All of 'em. We'll marinate the whole lot in every ethnic spice we can find.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:05pm |
re: #629 aagcobb
The scale of the fighting on the Eastern Front dwarfs anything else in the history of warfare. The Battle of Kursk alone was bigger than most wars. Not to diss our veterans, but the Western Front was a sideshow in comparison.
Normandy, as bloody and deadly as it was, was literally only a distraction to take the pressure off the Soviets, who were already in the process of regrouping for the final offensive that wound up taking Berlin.
| 642 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:19pm |
re: #637 CuriousLurker
Bring it on!
Honest, most people don't even know what it is. And if we're having pita bread, kalamata olives and pepper rings to go with some hummus.
| 643 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:19pm |
re: #631 Gus 802
I'm still chuckling over Gingrich's BS line about "hedonism and acquisition." Especially the acquisition part.
Doesn't hedonism play a little role in the economy. Why not enjoy the fruit of one's labors?
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EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:37pm |
re: #603 wilburs
Let's not also forget that many American conservatives didn't have much of a problem with Hitler before Pearl Harbor.
The conservative/liberal tag has changed over the last 70 years. Joseph Kennedy and Lindbergh were supporters of Hitler. I excuse them because they did not know what was to transpire.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:59pm |
re: #625 ProLifeLiberal
In fact, most of Russia's planes are the same. And China is just doing inferior knock-offs of us and Russia. India is the same as Russia and us.
Sure, they are building some stealth planes now, there are issues with them (cost, maintenance (especially of the paint)) mean that, until technology progresses more, the current state of affairs will remain.
Although, the F-15 should be upgraded in the same manner as the SU-27.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:02:59pm |
re: #639 talon_262
The A-10, the F-16, etc., etc.
Fershistsakes, the BUFF has been in service, with upgrades and improvements, for for over fifty years; the C-130 is close behind that.
The F-15 predates the F-16 and F/A-18 programs, and it is still the world's most successful air-to-air fighter. No F-15 air superiority model has ever been shot down in air-to-air combat.
| 647 |
Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:03:02pm |
re: #635 funky chicken
Okay, so the quoted section notes that the aircraft could remain flying until 2040. So, why the urgency to replace them, besides to say that we've got "modern" equipment?
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:04:16pm |
re: #641 thedopefishlives
Normandy, as bloody and deadly as it was, was literally only a distraction to take the pressure off the Soviets, who were already in the process of regrouping for the final offensive that wound up taking Berlin.
Believe the Soviets were in Poland by the fall of '44.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:04:49pm |
re: #639 talon_262
Thank you for the point. Granted the F-15 needs upgrades, and maybe we should think about finding an alternate to the F-35 (Rafale?). But we need to slash acquisition costs. There's a lot of bloat that doesn't help readiness.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:05:02pm |
re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar
Honest, most people don't even know what it is. And if we're having pita bread, kalamata olives and pepper rings to go with some hummus.
Heh, my (most recent) ex was from Argentina. He could make some kick-ass BBQ.
Mmm, I haven't had any good kalamata olives in forever. Hummus, yes! And feta cheese, maybe some felafel...
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jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:05:43pm |
re: #603 wilburs
Let's not also forget that many American conservatives didn't have much of a problem with Hitler before Pearl Harbor.
Lindbergh comes to mind.
So does Joe Kennedy. I don't know if there were others such in the Democratic Party.
re: #621 HappyWarrior
This is true. Same thing with many British conservatives really outside Churchill and some others.
As mockumented by P.G. Wodehouse. (Heil Spode!)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:06:18pm |
re: #648 HappyWarrior
Believe the Soviets were in Poland by the fall of '44.
My favorite woman who isn't my mom.
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:06:27pm |
re: #645 ProLifeLiberal
In fact, most of Russia's planes are the same. And China is just doing inferior knock-offs of us and Russia. India is the same as Russia and us.
Sure, they are building some stealth planes now, there are issues with them (cost, maintenance (especially of the paint)) mean that, until technology progresses more, the current state of affairs will remain.
Although, the F-15 should be upgraded in the same manner as the SU-27.
Boeing's already put forth it's "Silent Eagle" concept, which would add much of the "stealth" capabilities to the already proven F-15 airframe. Not only cheaper, but easier to transfer pilots to, as opposed to the F-22.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:06:28pm |
re: #639 talon_262
The A-10, the F-16, etc., etc.
Ferchistsakes, the BUFF has been in service, with upgrades and improvements, for for over fifty years; the C-130 is close behind that.
But the C-130s are newer airplanes. The KC-135s are the same planes from the 1960s and 1970s. Boeing doesn't even make 707s or their parts any more. The Air Force has to machine their own parts when repairs are required.
I think we are still making C-130s. They are great planes but they really take a beating because of the missions they are able to fly.
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EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:06:53pm |
re: #638 Decatur Deb
The B-52 was the best bomber in history. If we have a war where we need ungodly saturation bombing the B-52 is the only choice. I believe there only about sixty left in service.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:06:57pm |
re: #649 ProLifeLiberal
Thank you for the point. Granted the F-15 needs upgrades, and maybe we should think about finding an alternate to the F-35 (Rafale?). But we need to slash acquisition costs. There's a lot of bloat that doesn't help readiness.
Just do like we did with the F/A-18. Do a redesign based on the same basic airframe with electronics, engine, and other aerial performance upgrades. Bam, new modern fighter that'll last us for another 40 years.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:07:05pm |
re: #633 wrenchwench
Mmmm, sofrito...
I just had some Puerto Rican style beans & rice the other day. Yum!
I pretty much eat a different ethnic food every day. Sometimes more than one. Keeps life interesting. ;)
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:07:15pm |
re: #653 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Does it do Thrust Vectoring?
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:07:18pm |
re: #651 jvic
Lindbergh comes to mind.
So does Joe Kennedy. I don't know if there were others such in the Democratic Party.
re: #621 HappyWarrior
As mockumented by P.G. Wodehouse. (Heil Spode!)
Both parties had isolationists and interventionists. Wendell Willke, FDR's 1940 opponent supported Lend-Lease for example.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:07:34pm |
re: #644 EdDantes
The conservative/liberal tag has changed over the last 70 years. Joseph Kennedy and Lindbergh were supporters of Hitler. I excuse them because they did not know what was to transpire.
In ways, they were dupes who saw in Hitler what they wished they could have in America, especially in those early years. Little did they (and most everyone else) know that, beneath the carefully managed public veneer that was Germany in the 30s, it was a powderkeg that would soon set the world ablaze.
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wilburs Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:08:14pm |
re: #644 EdDantes
The conservative/liberal tag has changed over the last 70 years. Joseph Kennedy and Lindbergh were supporters of Hitler. I excuse them because they did not know what was to transpire.
I think it is important to distinguish between genuine isolationists, and those who were fascist apologists.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:08:30pm |
OT but my research paper just hit a positive bump. I'm looking at Sergei Witte's memoirs and he mentions the pogroms. Good development since my professor was uncertain that his memoirs would mention them and I need more primary sources so this is a win.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:08:40pm |
re: #657 CuriousLurker
I just had some Puerto Rican style beans & rice the other day. Yum!
I pretty much eat a different ethnic food every day. Sometimes more than one. Keeps life interesting. ;)
All we have is Mexican, New Mexican, Nuevo Mexican, and hamburgers.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:08:53pm |
re: #654 funky chicken
But the C-130s are newer airplanes. The KC-135s are the same planes from the 1960s and 1970s. Boeing doesn't even make 707s or their parts any more. The Air Force has to machine their own parts when repairs are required.
I think we are still making C-130s. They are great planes but they really take a beating because of the missions they are able to fly.
The KC-135 is an aging aircraft, but the Air Force has tried and failed to replace them before. I believe they're still looking to land a contract for a new refueling tanker.
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prairiefire Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:09:10pm |
re: #644 EdDantes
The conservative/liberal tag has changed over the last 70 years. Joseph Kennedy and Lindbergh were supporters of Hitler. I excuse them because they did not know what was to transpire.
I don't excuse them. I think the purity, therefore entitlement of the white people appealed to them.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:09:44pm |
re: #656 thedopefishlives
Well, true but, the Rafale is already right there. And I don't trust the Defense Companies in the US to keep costs down right now.
India, our only real challenger in the air, bought the Rafale. It's a good plane.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:09:53pm |
Let's bring back patriarchy and the Old Testament! -- Ron Paul
//True story.
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prairiefire Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:09:53pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:10:03pm |
re: #654 funky chicken
But the C-130s are newer airplanes. The KC-135s are the same planes from the 1960s and 1970s. Boeing doesn't even make 707s or their parts any more. The Air Force has to machine their own parts when repairs are required.
I think we are still making C-130s. They are great planes but they really take a beating because of the missions they are able to fly.
Look up the KC-X contract & the KC-46. The story behind the effort to replace the KC-135 is a textbook example of just how screwed up our current appropriations system is. Boeing went from using an inside woman to mark up the cost of acquiring new aircraft, to offering to "lease" new aircrat, to demanding Congress essentially award them the KC-X contract because it was "Made in America," even thought it was a far inferior design.
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kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:10:12pm |
re: #649 ProLifeLiberal
Thank you for the point. Granted the F-15 needs upgrades, and maybe we should think about finding an alternate to the F-35 (Rafale?). But we need to slash acquisition costs. There's a lot of bloat that doesn't help readiness.
My opinion, but one of the biggest problems with the F35 (and the F22 before it) is the rolling specification process we've created. In clumsy analogy:
Year one:
(buyer) Build us a cutting edge fighter.
(company) ok. It's going to take ten years and it's going to have A, B, and C.
Year five.
Hey, A, B, and C are great, but D is now cutting edge. make sure it's on the cutting edge fighter.
ok, but that's going to double the cost and delay production an extra five years
Do it.
Year 10.
Hey, E completely overwhelms A, so put it on as well...
You see the story.
Add the "initial order 100, wait, we can only buy 80, 60, ..." process and, well, that's why we pay WAY over budget and WAY late for our modern aircraft.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:10:27pm |
Shutting down F-22 production was dumb, and was a Bush Administration decision, correct? Fighter production is like pharaceutical production in some ways--the R & D and testing are by far the most expensive part of the process. All of that was done, and the F-22s that had been built were/are fantastic airplanes (unlike the frightening Osprey and the bungled B-1).
It was penny-wise and pound foolish, and typical of Bush Administration defense department decisions.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:10:27pm |
re: #663 wrenchwench
All we have is Mexican, New Mexican, Nuevo Mexican, and hamburgers.
A Mexican told me that hot dogs are American Burritos once. Heh.
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kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:11:24pm |
re: #669 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Look up the KC-X contract & the KC-46. The story behind the effort to replace the KC-135 is a textbook example of just how screwed up our current appropriations system is. Boeing went from using an inside woman to mark up the cost of acquiring new aircraft, to offering to "lease" new aircrat, to demanding Congress essentially award them the KC-X contract because it was "Made in America," even thought it was a far inferior design.
And this.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:11:38pm |
re: #671 funky chicken
Shutting down F-22 production was dumb, and was a Bush Administration decision, correct? Fighter production is like pharaceutical production in some ways--the R & D and testing are by far the most expensive part of the process. All of that was done, and the F-22s that had been built were/are fantastic airplanes (unlike the frightening Osprey and the bungled B-1).
It was penny-wise and pound foolish, and typical of Bush Administration defense department decisions.
Obama. I don't think it was foolish myself but YMMV.
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EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:11:49pm |
re: #664 thedopefishlives
The KC-135 is an aging aircraft, but the Air Force has tried and failed to replace them before. I believe they're still looking to land a contract for a new refueling tanker.
That is what I have heard. I live near Moffet field and I still see them.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:12:03pm |
re: #671 funky chicken
F-22 had issues to begin with. The paint, obscene amount of maintenance needed, among other things.
Gates did it. It was a good decision.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:12:12pm |
re: #671 funky chicken
Shutting down F-22 production was dumb, and was a Bush Administration decision, correct? Fighter production is like pharaceutical production in some ways--the R & D and testing are by far the most expensive part of the process. All of that was done, and the F-22s that had been built were/are fantastic airplanes (unlike the frightening Osprey and the bungled B-1).
It was penny-wise and pound foolish, and typical of Bush Administration defense department decisions.
Do you have BDS? Just askin'.
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:12:58pm |
re: #671 funky chicken
Shutting down F-22 production was dumb, and was a Bush Administration decision, correct? Fighter production is like pharaceutical production in some ways--the R & D and testing are by far the most expensive part of the process. All of that was done, and the F-22s that had been built were/are fantastic airplanes (unlike the frightening Osprey and the bungled B-1).
It was penny-wise and pound foolish, and typical of Bush Administration defense department decisions.
The F-22's a hanger queen, between problems with it's oxygen system and the maintenance issues with the radar-absorbing paint. There's a reason it hasn't seen combat yet, and it's not because we're afraid of losing one.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:13:25pm |
re: #665 prairiefire
I don't excuse them. I think the purity, therefore entitlement of the white people appealed to them.
With Kennedy there might well have been some Boston Irish nationalism. A lot of Irish shed few tears for Churchill and the British.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:13:48pm |
re: #664 thedopefishlives
The KC-135 is an aging aircraft, but the Air Force has tried and failed to replace them before. I believe they're still looking to land a contract for a new refueling tanker.
The whole thing's been an utter disaster since about 2003 or so, when the geniuses on the Bush DOD were gonna sign on to a ludicrous lease deal with Boeing where taxpayers were gonna pay EXTRA to lease the planes rather than buy them. John McCain smelled a rat, and some Boeing folks went to jail. Then we went through the mess of the Airbus vs Boeing bidding, which Boeing lost. Then Boeing appealed and won, but now everything is stalled.
Bush was a TERRIBLE commander in chief.
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jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:13:58pm |
re: #644 EdDantes
The conservative/liberal tag has changed over the last 70 years. Joseph Kennedy and Lindbergh were supporters of Hitler. I excuse them because they did not know what was to transpire.
Oops, sorry, I overlooked this before posting my #651.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:14:09pm |
re: #678 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The F-22's a hanger queen, between problems with it's oxygen system and the maintenance issues with the radar-absorbing paint. There's a reason it hasn't seen combat yet, and it's not because we're afraid of losing one.
Well, in its defense, there's not a lot of air-to-air combat going on these days, at least not involving the US. And we're terrified of selling our cutting-edge technology even to our closest allies.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:15:54pm |
re: #677 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you have BDS? Just askin'.
Nope. Just a military pilot's wife who has had a very frustrating front row view for many years. And just disgusted by the GOP nonsense about how only they "support the troops."
Bah.
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EdDantes Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:16:30pm |
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:16:34pm |
A point of clarification again. The F-22 was not cancelled under Bush.
It's still a hangar queen though. They need to stop designing watches.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:16:34pm |
re: #654 funky chicken
But the C-130s are newer airplanes. The KC-135s are the same planes from the 1960s and 1970s. Boeing doesn't even make 707s or their parts any more. The Air Force has to machine their own parts when repairs are required.
I think we are still making C-130s. They are great planes but they really take a beating because of the missions they are able to fly.
There are KC-10 Extenders in the tanker fleet, but nowhere near enough to be effective if the KC-135s went bye-bye.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:16:56pm |
re: #671 funky chicken
There's a proposed upgrade for the B-1B to the B-1R which is essentially a flying missile truck brimming with air-to-air missiles.
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:17:25pm |
re: #682 thedopefishlives
Well, in its defense, there's not a lot of air-to-air combat going on these days, at least not involving the US. And we're terrified of selling our cutting-edge technology even to our closest allies.
F-22's supposed to be multi-role, just like the F-15 it's replacing. Which is a joke in itself, because for the F-22 to carry a decent warload, it has to sacrifice stealth, but stealth is its only real selling point. Take that away and it's just a F-15 on steroids.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:17:51pm |
re: #685 Gus 802
A point of clarification again. The F-22 was not cancelled under Bush.
It's still a hangar queen though. They need to stop designing watches.
The U.S. has been focusing on high technology at the expense of practicality. There is a need to maintain a technological edge, but even I know that 1 super-uber-leet stealth fighter isn't as worthwhile as a full squadron of conventional fighters.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:18:10pm |
re: #687 Idle Drifter
That would have been good in Libya.
Any chance we can get those built pronto, and test them against somebody?
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:18:21pm |
BTW. They didn't even want to send any Typhoons to Libya. Too expensive.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:18:53pm |
re: #688 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And the F-15 on steroids can be made from the F-15. With some modicum of stealth.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:19:10pm |
re: #685 Gus 802
A point of clarification again. The F-22 was not cancelled under Bush.
It's still a hangar queen though. They need to stop designing watches.
What about the flight of F-22s that flew over the international dateline and their computers went dead because they could not handle the time change.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:19:30pm |
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:19:37pm |
re: #678 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The F-22's a hanger queen, between problems with it's oxygen system and the maintenance issues with the radar-absorbing paint. There's a reason it hasn't seen combat yet, and it's not because we're afraid of losing one.
Um, we have a friend who flies them, and ... um, he's flown it in the middle east.
Maybe I'm not supposed to know that.
The F-22 pilots we know don't bitch about the plane. Warthog pilots love their planes, and C-130 pilots love their planes almost as much.
My husband is deployed, so if I'm not supposed to know that the F-22s are "over there," it's not his fault.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:20:07pm |
re: #693 Idle Drifter
What about the flight of F-22s that flew over the international dateline and their computers went dead because they could not handle the time change.
Never heard of that. Seriously?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:20:30pm |
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:21:27pm |
re: #697 thedopefishlives
[Link: www.defenseindustrydaily.com...]
Bleh. That's nuts. It's worse than I thought.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:21:34pm |
re: #687 Idle Drifter
There's a proposed upgrade for the B-1B to the B-1R which is essentially a flying missile truck brimming with air-to-air missiles.
The B1 pilots we know absolutely love flying the thing. It was a bungled construction project, but it seems that they figured something out.
It is a great looking plane, I'll give you that. :-)
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:21:58pm |
re: #695 funky chicken
Um, we have a friend who flies them, and ... um, he's flown it in the middle east.
Maybe I'm not supposed to know that.
The F-22 pilots we know don't bitch about the plane. Warthog pilots love their planes, and C-130 pilots love their planes almost as much.
My husband is deployed, so if I'm not supposed to know that the F-22s are "over there," it's not his fault.
No F-22s have ever been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:22:26pm |
re: #692 ProLifeLiberal
And the F-15 on steroids can be made from the F-15. With some modicum of stealth.
Ayep. The Russians hit upon the idea of building a family of aircraft on a common airframe, adding or subtracting parts needed for a particular job.
Meanwhile, we build individual designs, then before the first one enters service, we're already getting sold on its "successor" by the same company.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:23:41pm |
re: #698 Gus 802
Bleh. That's nuts. It's worse than I thought.
As far as I'm concerned, we should just keep things simple. We don't need to completely trash the venerable F-15 frame; just find one or two ways to improve it, re-engine it, upgrade the electronics, and get her in the air.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:23:41pm |
re: #692 ProLifeLiberal
And the F-15 on steroids can be made from the F-15. With some modicum of stealth.
As long as the wings don't fall off.
The F-15 is a great plane, but they are very, very tired.
People forget that the AF has been flying those fighters over Iraq since 1992.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:24:08pm |
re: #690 ProLifeLiberal
That would have been good in Libya.
Any chance we can get those built pronto, and test them against somebody?
They're already built it's just a proposed upgrade to fill in the fighter gap for air to air engagements. The idea being they would fly into the area ripple fire their AIM-180 AMRAAMs at enemy aircraft then turn and burn their way out of the theater since no fighter could keep up with them at sustained speeds at Mach 2.2.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:24:14pm |
re: #701 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
In this regard, we need to emulate Russia. It's cheaper, and we get more planes.
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darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:25:04pm |
Henry Mancini fuckin' rocks...(listening to "easy listening" music right now...Mantovani's up...)
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:26:17pm |
re: #702 thedopefishlives
As far as I'm concerned, we should just keep things simple. We don't need to completely trash the venerable F-15 frame; just find one or two ways to improve it, re-engine it, upgrade the electronics, and get her in the air.
Yep. And on the F-35 we should have just bought more Super Hornets. Upgrade the Harriers and so on. Too late now though. Frankly we're too far ahead on the F-35 to cancel. Now that would be a big mistake. We have plenty of F-22s in service for air defense. We'll likely never use them in air to air combat. If we're lucky.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:26:52pm |
re: #704 Idle Drifter
Sounds like the Fighter version of a Troll.
It would be useful against well armed near failed states. I can think of 2 of them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:27:03pm |
re: #706 darthstar
Henry Mancini fuckin' rocks...(listening to "easy listening" music right now...Mantovani's up...)
Does your eye shadow look OK? Can I get you another Cosmo?
///
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:27:18pm |
re: #695 funky chicken
Um, we have a friend who flies them, and ... um, he's flown it in the middle east.
Maybe I'm not supposed to know that.
The F-22 pilots we know don't bitch about the plane. Warthog pilots love their planes, and C-130 pilots love their planes almost as much.
My husband is deployed, so if I'm not supposed to know that the F-22s are "over there," it's not his fault.
They may be "over there," but in combat they are not. Considering the press that the Rafale has received and Britain's refusal to send the Typhoon, I'd think the USAF would be trumpeting the F-22's "combat debute."
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:27:42pm |
re: #707 Gus 802
Yep. And on the F-35 we should have just bought more Super Hornets. Upgrade the Harriers and so on. Too late now though. Frankly we're too far ahead on the F-35 to cancel. Now that would be a big mistake. We have plenty of F-22s in service for air defense. We'll likely never used them in air to air combat. If we're lucky.
Yeah, I never understood the need for the F-35 in the first place. The Super Hornet and the Eagle fill that void perfectly, and the Super Hornet is a relatively brand-new design. Produce a Super Eagle (!) and we'd be set to go for years to come. Again, we're focusing too much on shiny technology and ignoring the practical needs of filling squadrons with reliable, capable planes.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:27:52pm |
But in Libya they could have used the F-100 Super Sabre and some A-1 Skyraiders.
//
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:28:00pm |
re: #707 Gus 802
Or, if we really have to, we can negotiate with France for the Rafale.
India's Air Force is rather special. But it also very good.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:28:37pm |
re: #712 Gus 802
To be honest, that might be true.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:29:20pm |
re: #687 Idle Drifter
There's a proposed upgrade for the B-1B to the B-1R which is essentially a flying missile truck brimming with air-to-air missiles.
I'm surprised the USAF hadn't already did that, since they upgraded many B-52s to be multiple-weapon capable.
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jvic Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:29:30pm |
re: #683 funky chicken
Nope. Just a military pilot's wife who has had a very frustrating front row view for many years. And just disgusted by the GOP nonsense about how only they "support the troops."
Bah.
Didn't the Bush administration look for excuses to extend the deployments of called-up reservists and National Guard members? And to extend enlistments?
For that matter, didn't they look for cost savings in veterans' services?
My memory is hazy, but I'm pretty sure I read stories to that effect.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:29:48pm |
re: #713 ProLifeLiberal
Or, if we really have to, we can negotiate with France for the Rafale.
India's Air Force is rather special. But it also very good.
I've thought about that. But there's a big thing about using native equipment for military purposes. They don't use the word native. It's another word.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:29:50pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
No F-22s have ever been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Ummmm. OK. Maybe it was just for .. um .. an airshow.
I had a US Marine's grandma tell me how much he hated being in Pakistan a couple of years ago at a sporting event. LOL. "But gosh, Mrs. _______, we don't have troops in Pakistan," with really big eyes. She kinda did a double blink and agreed with me.
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wrenchwench Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:30:04pm |
re: #672 Cannadian Club Akbar
A Mexican told me that hot dogs are American Burritos once. Heh.
Took me a while to find this because the article is TWO frickin' days old and therefore disappeared from the stupid site.
"I set up all over," Cordova said. "I was at Furniture Gallery last weekend and at the D & M Gun Store grand opening when they moved to a new location. I can also set up for parties and community events."
The menu is limited to hamburgers, hot dogs, nachos, Hot Cheetos with nacho cheese and burritos. Soft drinks and coffee are also available.
Prices range from $1 for a hot dog to $5 for a specialty burger.
"My biggest seller is a Sonora Hot Dog," Cordova proudly exclaimed. "It's wrapped in bacon and topped with pinto beans, pico de gallo and you can have mayonnaise on it."
Cordova is a life-long resident of Deming where he raised a family, including his wife, Norma, and daughter, Lorenza, 6.
"I have a special running on Wednesdays of this month," Cordova added. "Hot dogs and hamburgers are half-price, and I prefer to be paid in pennies. My daughter is having a penny drive and I think it's a good way to help her out." There is a limit of five per customer.
The link to the article looks like it won't work. But hey! It does!
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Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:30:19pm |
re: #707 Gus 802
Yep. And on the F-35 we should have just bought more Super Hornets. Upgrade the Harriers and so on. Too late now though. Frankly we're too far ahead on the F-35 to cancel. Now that would be a big mistake. We have plenty of F-22s in service for air defense. We'll likely never use them in air to air combat. If we're lucky.
The AV-8Bs are not well liked by ground crews as they are a bitch to work on. We called them North Carolina Lawn Darts.
| 721 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:30:35pm |
re: #718 funky chicken
Ummm. OK. Maybe it was just for .. um .. an airshow.
I had a US Marine's grandma tell me how much he hated being in Pakistan a couple of years ago at a sporting event. LOL. "But gosh, Mrs. ___, we don't have troops in Pakistan," with really big eyes. She kinda did a double blink and agreed with me.
They can land at a base there if need be but that doesn't mean they're deployed.
| 722 |
Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:30:48pm |
re: #711 thedopefishlives
Yeah, I never understood the need for the F-35 in the first place. The Super Hornet and the Eagle fill that void perfectly, and the Super Hornet is a relatively brand-new design. Produce a Super Eagle (!) and we'd be set to go for years to come. Again, we're focusing too much on shiny technology and ignoring the practical needs of filling squadrons with reliable, capable planes.
The F-35's the USAF's new toy to replace the F-16, nothing more. They needed another toy to go alongside their F-22s. The Navy sure doesn't want them and the Marines may be seriously regretting not just coming up with a new variant of the Harrier. Even the Royal Navy, who was supposed to be the next big customer for the F-35B, has sprung on the cheaper F-35C and redesigned their new carriers accordingly.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:30:51pm |
| 724 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:31:17pm |
Did anything interesting happen in the last 45 minutes?
I just couldn't finish watching it. For all the chocolate in the world, I just couldn't.
| 725 |
freetoken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:32:12pm |
Hmmm... let me amend that: if someone really did give me all the chocolate in the world, then maybe I could have finished watching it.
Maybe.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:32:19pm |
re: #712 Gus 802
But in Libya they could have used the F-100 Super Sabre and some A-1 Skyraiders.
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We know an old guy who flew those F-100s. Crazy, crazy stuff. If that's the plane I'm thinking of it was like the Ford Pinto of the sky. Unsafe at any speed.
| 727 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:32:19pm |
re: #717 Gus 802
I've thought about that. But there's a big thing about using native equipment for military purposes. They don't use the word native. It's another word.
There is historical precedent to preferring home-brew technology. The Russians lost the Russo-Japanese War in part because they imported German wireless radio sets instead of building their own.
| 728 |
ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:32:48pm |
re: #717 Gus 802
Explain the other word thing?
Right now, India operates the Mirage 2000, the MIG-29, SU-30MKI, and will be getting the Typhoon and Rafale.
To put it mildly, their aircraft are Multinational. They have American Aircraft Elsewhere in their inventory.
| 729 |
darthstar Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:33:14pm |
re: #709 Cannadian Club Akbar
Does your eye shadow look OK? Can I get you another Cosmo?
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Drinking Woodford Reserve Manhattans right now, thank you very much...and having them "up" in nice stem-ware. My wife and I are playing scrabble on facebook and sitting next to each other on the couch...
| 730 |
Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:34:10pm |
re: #727 thedopefishlives
There is historical precedent to preferring home-brew technology. The Russians lost the Russo-Japanese War in part because they imported German wireless radio sets instead of building their own.
Though, at the same time, the Japanese naval victories were in large part due to buying the latest battleship designs from the Brits.
| 731 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:34:15pm |
re: #711 thedopefishlives
Yeah, I never understood the need for the F-35 in the first place. The Super Hornet and the Eagle fill that void perfectly, and the Super Hornet is a relatively brand-new design. Produce a Super Eagle (!) and we'd be set to go for years to come. Again, we're focusing too much on shiny technology and ignoring the practical needs of filling squadrons with reliable, capable planes.
The ugly truth is that any plane with external weapons stores is pretty much dead against a real capable modern air defense system. We've been cutting our teeth on the intramural league so far, if the the Super Hornet or hypothetical Super Eagle have to go in against a varsity squad they're hosed.
| 732 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:34:26pm |
re: #722 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The F-35's the USAF's new toy to replace the F-16, nothing more. They needed another toy to go alongside their F-22s. The Navy sure doesn't want them and the Marines may be seriously regretting not just coming up with a new variant of the Harrier. Even the Royal Navy, who was supposed to be the next big customer for the F-35B, has sprung on the cheaper F-35C and redesigned their new carriers accordingly.
And the F-35 is a step backward aerodynamically compared to the F-16. The F-16 was built using Energy-Maneuverability Theory to be a light, quick, fast interceptor. The F-35, comparatively, is a turkey.
| 733 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:34:30pm |
re: #715 talon_262
I'm surprised the USAF hadn't already did that, since they upgraded many B-52s to be multiple-weapon capable.
It would be going in the new direction of rededicating weapon systems. The Navy has turned a few of their Ohio Class Boomers into cruise missile boats.
| 734 |
Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:34:55pm |
re: #728 ProLifeLiberal
Explain the other word thing?
Right now, India operates the Mirage 2000, the MIG-29, SU-30MKI, and will be getting the Typhoon and Rafale.
To put it mildly, their aircraft are Multinational. They have American Aircraft Elsewhere in their inventory.
Domestically produced. That way we don't have to rely on other countries during a prolonged war. Then you don't have to worry about the enemy knowing the flight envelope and characteristics of your aircraft.
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Gus Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:35:59pm |
re: #726 funky chicken
We know an old guy who flew those F-100s. Crazy, crazy stuff. If that's the plane I'm thinking of it was like the Ford Pinto of the sky. Unsafe at any speed.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:37:06pm |
re: #702 thedopefishlives
As far as I'm concerned, we should just keep things simple. We don't need to completely trash the venerable F-15 frame; just find one or two ways to improve it, re-engine it, upgrade the electronics, and get her in the air.
Meaning build new ones? That's a good idea, actually. It's a hell of a plane, and the R & D and testing are already done.
The F-35 never made much sense to me, to be honest. It was supposed to be the "one size fits all" fighter that would work for every branch of the military, thus simplifying maintenance and repair and training and infrastructure, etc.
Just because it works for Southwest Airlines with the 737 doesn't mean it will work for the military.
It seems like common sense to me, but hey....
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Targetpractice Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:37:18pm |
re: #731 goddamnedfrank
The ugly truth is that any plane with external weapons stores is pretty much dead against a real capable modern air defense system. We've been cutting our teeth on the intramural league so far, if the the Super Hornet or hypothetical Super Eagle have to go in against a varsity squad they're hosed.
By that logic, so is the F-22 or F-35, both of which need pylons to carry more than a handful of smart bombs, air-to-air missile, or external tanks.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:39:19pm |
re: #732 thedopefishlives
And the F-35 is a step backward aerodynamically compared to the F-16. The F-16 was built using Energy-Maneuverability Theory to be a light, quick, fast interceptor. The F-35, comparatively, is a turkey.
It's the whole "Jack of all Trades" concept. It kinda F'ed up the C-17 too.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:39:31pm |
re: #733 Idle Drifter
They did a good job against Qaddafi earlier.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:42:15pm |
re: #741 ProLifeLiberal
They did a good job against Qaddafi earlier.
154 cruise missiles can ruin anyone's day. They only parked the Florida of the coast of Libya.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:43:58pm |
re: #740 funky chicken
It's the whole "Jack of all Trades" concept. It kinda F'ed up the C-17 too.
Great concept, terrible implementation. The needs of the different air missions (superiority, carrier-based strike, interceptor, ground attack) are just too widely varied to be handled by a single design with any practicality.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:44:28pm |
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:54:08pm |
re: #735 Gus 802
The F-100A officially entered USAF service on 27 September 1954 with 479th Fighter Wing at George AFB, CA. By 10 November 1954, the F-100As suffered six major accidents due to flight instability, structural failures, and hydraulic system failures, prompting the Air Force to ground the entire fleet until February 1955. The 479th finally became operational in September 1955. Due to ongoing problems, the Air Force began phasing out the F-100A in 1958, with the last aircraft leaving active duty in 1961. By that time, 47 aircraft were lost in major accidents.[2] Escalating tension due to construction of the Berlin Wall in August 1961 forced the USAF to recall the F-100As into active service in early 1962. The aircraft was finally retired in 1970.
That's the one. Crazy.
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funky chicken Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:58:15pm |
re: #720 Idle Drifter
The AV-8Bs are not well liked by ground crews as they are a bitch to work on. We called them North Carolina Lawn Darts.
LOL.
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kirkspencer Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:25:19pm |
re: #740 funky chicken
It's the whole "Jack of all Trades" concept. It kinda F'ed up the C-17 too.
Everybody's tried to do the F4 miracle again. The people who decide won't believe the experts that the jack of all trades that could match the mission designed aircraft had a little bit of luck; was a fluke. That normally you can be great at one thing and mediocre to poor at everything else OR you can be decent to mediocre at everything.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Nov 19, 2011 6:31:58pm |
re: #735 Gus 802
Later model F-100s, especially the D, were the main close support aircraft in South Vietnam, and remained in ANG service till 1977. The two seat F-100F was the first "Wild Weasel" defense suppression aircraft. The "F" also pioneered the fast mover FAC role (Forward Air Control, ie visual reconnaisance). Future ace Steve Ritchie was one of the early proponents of this. He and an observer would routinely blast down the Ho Chi Minh trail at 100 feet and 500 mph, spotting and marking targets for other aircraft.
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