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Cain: Black People Will Vote for Me Because I’m Black

The definition of “tokenism”
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Well, today Herman Cain came right out and admitted what we all knew: he’s a token African American Republican, being used by the party in a blatant attempt to pander to black people and get their votes: Cain says his race will help the GOP.

Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain is claiming his race will help him win over African American voters.

In a seven-page mailer sent to Iowans over the weekend, Cain writes, “as a descendent of slaves I can lead the Republican Party to victory by garnering a large share of the black vote, something that has not been done since Dwight Eisenhower garnered 41 percent of the black vote in 1956.”

The statement is more revealing than Cain realizes. It shows the total contempt the GOP has for the intelligence of black voters; they think all they need to do is prop up a token candidate and BAM! here comes the black vote.

And it’s no surprise that the African American population isn’t falling for this transparent scheme:

But while Cain might believe he’ll garner a larger share of the black vote in a head-to-head match-up against President Obama, this month’s NBC/WSJ poll — which had an oversample of 400 African-American respondents — tells a different story.

In a hypothetical general election matchup, according to the poll, Obama gets support from 93 percent of African Americans, while Cain gets just 6 percent.

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235 comments

1 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:00:55am
2 Kronocide  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:01:10am

The Wingularity is Near.

3 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:01:37am
And it’s no surprise that the African American population isn’t falling for this transparent scheme:

Well, we've never voted based on color, for somewhat very obvious reasons.

The only people who don't seem to understand this is dumb white confederates, and the 3 Black Circuit Riders of the tea party.

4 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:02:00am
It shows the total contempt the GOP has for the intelligence of black voters; they think all they need to do is prop up a token candidate and BAM! here comes the black vote.

Worked so well with Sarah Palin in 2008...

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:03:29am

Watch -- now the wingnuts will all start screaming that I'm a racist because I used the word "token."

6 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:03:51am

re: #1 MikeySDCA

Not to mention of voters who aren't black. The GOP's contempt is equal-opportunity.

Except, the GOP has no candidates telling anyone else they are brainwashed and otherwise enslaved if they vote Democratic.

7 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:06:35am

re: #5 Charles

Watch -- now the wingnuts will all start screaming that I'm a racist because I used the word "token."

You know it. They'll call you racist but defend loudly Limbaugh and Beck calling the first lady "uppity."

8 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:08:05am

re: #5 Charles

Watch -- now the wingnuts will all start screaming that I'm a racist because I used the word "token."

The last thing in the world the white right wants is an actual Black constituency. They're just butthurt that no amount of browbeating or wielding the same old anti-Black epithets they've had for the past umpteen generations will get us to go confederate.

9 Kronocide  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:11:07am

re: #5 Charles

Watch -- now the wingnuts will all start screaming that I'm a racist because I used the word "token."

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, wingnuts will rant as they always must.

10 sagehen  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:12:10am

He's forgetting that the reason Ike was able to pull 40% of the black vote is all about his vigorous enforcement of Brown v. Board.

Black people have split opinions on tax rates, and foreign policy, and abortion and drugs and immigration and every other thing... but the vast majority are single-issue voters on civil rights.

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:13:07am

re: #10 sagehen

He's forgetting that the reason Ike was able to pull 40% of the black vote is all about his vigorous enforcement of Brown v. Board.

Black people certainly have opinions on tax rates, and foreign policy, and abortion and drugs and immigration and every other thing... but the vast majority are single-issue voters on civil rights.

I would be. The question of whether or not we should have full rights in this country is black and white for most of us.

12 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:14:10am

re: #5 Charles

Watch -- now the wingnuts will all start screaming that I'm a racist because I used the word "token."

Token!

13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:15:33am

re: #11 EmmmieG

I would be. The question of whether or not we should have full rights in this country is black and white for most of us.

Maybe, but for us it's not an abstraction.

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:16:24am

re: #13 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Maybe, but for us it's not an abstraction.

I'm just saying that it makes perfect sense to be that way.

You can vote for someone you do not agree with exactly, but not for someone who spits on you.

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:17:29am

re: #10 sagehen

He's forgetting that the reason Ike was able to pull 40% of the black vote is all about his vigorous enforcement of Brown v. Board.

Right wingers love to pretend there's no difference between Eisenhower's GOP and the religious fanatics and throwbacks of the current day.

16 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:18:07am

Someone needs to email Cain those Kevin Phillips and Lee Atwater statements regarding how the Republican Party instituted the Southern Strategy.

Hint: It was ALL about getting the Southern racists into the Republican Party in response to the passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1967.

17 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:19:52am

Hmm. Where's Rush when you need him?

18 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:21:17am

re: #17 Amory Blaine

Hmm. Where's Rush when you need him?

Calling the First Lady "uppity".

19 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:21:39am

re: #15 Charles

Right wingers love to pretend there's no difference between Eisenhower's GOP and the religious fanatics and throwbacks of the current day.

Reminds me of PJTV's ZoNation.

20 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:23:27am

In espionage they call it blowback when the disinformation used to fool the enemy ends up fooling allies. Since 2008, the GOP claimed that people voted for Obama just because he's black, just so they wouldn't have to admit any of his strengths as a candidate or a man. I thought it was just spin, but turns out they actually believed it and ever since then they've been operating under the mistaken assumption that all they have to do is run one of "their blacks" (quoting Ann Coulter) and they'll win the same way.

21 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:24:05am

re: #15 Charles

Right wingers love to pretend there's no difference between Eisenhower's GOP and the religious fanatics and throwbacks of the current day.

Eisenhower was condemned by the John Birch Society as a "tool of the communists". The same society of which Fred Koch - who spawned the Koch Brothers, who spawned the TPGOP - was a founding member.

22 zora  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:24:15am

cain would get the same portion of the black vote that republicans usually get. 7% sounds about right. no one cares how blackety black he is except the one's using him as a shield for their racism.

23 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:25:40am

re: #16 RadicalModerate

Someone needs to email Cain those Kevin Phillips and Lee Atwater statements regarding how the Republican Party instituted the Southern Strategy.

Hint: It was ALL about getting the Southern racists into the Republican Party in response to the passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1967.

You could send it to him in a letter, but I have a hunch that in that same mail bag he'll also receive checks from many conservative interest groups, and for him, cash is the deciding factor.

24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:26:41am

re: #16 RadicalModerate

Someone needs to email Cain those Kevin Phillips and Lee Atwater statements regarding how the Republican Party instituted the Southern Strategy.

Hint: It was ALL about getting the Southern racists into the Republican Party in response to the passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1967.

There was 57, 64 and 65. The confederates are still rubbing their asses about all three, to this day. It comes out in their utter schizophrenia when it comes to the word and concept "black".

A part of me is enjoying what "Herman Cain" the man and the symbolic object does to their sensibilities, even though it's lethal sauce.

25 Kronocide  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:27:42am

I wonder if Cain thinks Michelle is uppity and supports Rush.

26 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:28:59am

re: #22 zora

cain would get the same portion of the black vote that republicans usually get. 7% sounds about right. no one cares how blackety black he is except the one's using him as a shield for their racism.

White confederate bigots have never been taught the concept of voting on issues rather than social symbolism, I guess. //

27 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:29:56am

Herman Cain is Black?

28 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:30:11am

Doesn't matter that Cain makes this admission or not. He's already dropped to third in the latest polling of the ABR GOP party. He's done. Leading the ABR polling: Newt Gingrich, with Romney in 2d, and Cain lagging behind in 3d and falling like a stack of cold stale pizza after a Friday night party.

The GOP will be lucky to get the 11% that Bush scored in 2004 among African Americans; they're doing their best to alienate every minority group imaginable.

29 keithgabryelski  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:33:49am

sure -- I believe that some black people will vote for Herman Cain because he's black. No doubt.

Voting for someone who is in your demographic is common -- thinking that a person who shares your life experience will make decisions similar to yours is reasonable.

But voting for Herman Cain because you are both black is like a Republican voting for any of current primary candidates merely because they have an R after their name.

I don't believe the either voting strategy will come out as your expect.

30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:35:01am

re: #29 keithgabryelski

I don't think you've thought your post through very well.

31 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:35:04am

re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There was 57, 64 and 65. The confederates are still rubbing their asses about all three, to this day. It comes out in their utter schizophrenia when it comes to the word and concept "black".

A part of me is enjoying what "Herman Cain" the man and the symbolic object does to their sensibilities, even though it's lethal sauce.

It is absolutely baffling to me that Herman Cain, or ANY non-white would want anything AT ALL to do with a party that is currently embracing groups like the League of the South, the John Birch Society, and the Conservative Citizens Councils. A party who has members in leadership positions who have publicly said that they want to repeal the 13th-17th amendments to the United States Constitution. They want equal protection, emancipation and guaranteed voting rights removed.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:35:54am

They might have voted for Colin Powell, but he abandoned the GOP's ideological Straight and Narrow Path years ago...

33 Stephen T.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:37:53am

I almost want Herman Cain to get the nomination now. I want to hear his response (after his defeat to Obama), to the question: "Why do you believe most black Americans voted for your opponent instead of you?"

34 keithgabryelski  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:38:23am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

what do you mean?

35 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:40:08am

re: #32 ralphieboy

They might have voted for Colin Powell, but he abandoned the GOP's ideological Straight and Narrow Path years ago...

Add Condi Rice to that list, but like Powell, she is also on the "outs" with the party because she refuses to embrace the extremism that has taken over. Two of the best possibilities that the Republicans had to bridge the racial gap essentially chased out of the party.

36 keithgabryelski  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:41:03am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

a better question:

which part was not thought through correctly?

a) black people will vote for a black person because they believe (sometimes erroneously) such a person shares their views?
b) republicans will vote for a republican because they believe (probably erroneously) a republican in the primary holds republican values.
c) that I connected to two?

37 dragonfire1981  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:42:58am

Barack Obama resonates with black people. Herman Cain does not.

38 allegro  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:43:38am

re: #37 dragonfire1981

Barack Obama resonates with black people. Herman Cain does not.

Better.

39 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:44:37am

Man, I can't believe how much referrer spam is coming from Russia lately. Sergey, would you tell your countrymen to knock it off, please?

40 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:46:31am

Whew. The leaf blower that was broke down in front of our house has finally been fixed.

I was getting paranoid.

41 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:49:43am
It shows the total contempt the GOP has for the intelligence of black voters; they think all they need to do is prop up a token candidate and BAM! here comes the black vote.

Not so fast there. The GOP hasn't gone and nominated Cain. Intrade etc. estimate his chances in low single digits.

What we're looking at here is contempt, alright, but it's Cain's contempt for the ability of Republican primary voters to figure out what will happen in the general election if he wins the nomination.

My guess is that while Republican voters may be stupid, they're not as stupid as Cain thinks they are.

42 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:50:15am

re: #35 RadicalModerate

Add Condi Rice to that list, but like Powell, she is also on the "outs" with the party because she refuses to embrace the extremism that has taken over. Two of the best possibilities that the Republicans had to bridge the racial gap essentially chased out of the party.

No way on Condi. She'd get the same support Cain is getting.

43 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:54:52am
The statement is more revealing than Cain realizes. It shows the total contempt the GOP has for the intelligence of black voters; they think all they need to do is prop up a token candidate and BAM! here comes the black vote.

It's the same contempt that the GOP showed in offering up Sarah Palin as an alternative for Hillary Clinton supporters.

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:57:20am

re: #31 RadicalModerate

It is absolutely baffling to me that Herman Cain, or ANY non-white would want anything AT ALL to do with a party that is currently embracing groups like the League of the South, the John Birch Society, and the Conservative Citizens Councils. A party who has members in leadership positions who have publicly said that they want to repeal the 13th-17th amendments to the United States Constitution. They want equal protection, emancipation and guaranteed voting rights removed.

It shouldn't be. Every group has their dumbfracks, ignoramuses and baldfaced opportunists. In the Age of Obama, a Herman Cain is inevitable; if not him, then one of the other 17 Blacks who vote Republican. Same for Sarah Palin in the age of Hillary as the almost-nominee. There were some reactionary women that preceded her, too. It's just that we have not seen those types on this scale before.

45 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:57:58am

re: #20 Charleston Chew

In espionage they call it blowback when the disinformation used to fool the enemy ends up fooling allies. Since 2008, the GOP claimed that people voted for Obama just because he's black, just so they wouldn't have to admit any of his strengths as a candidate or a man. I thought it was just spin, but turns out they actually believed it and ever since then they've been operating under the mistaken assumption that all they have to do is run one of "their blacks" (quoting Ann Coulter) and they'll win the same way.

You can't conclude from the facts available just yet that Republicans believe what Cain is saying about his race being a big plus in the upcoming general election.

Even before he said that, it's growing increasingly clear that they don't believe him about his manners with women, they don't see where he has much in the way of experience or knowledge that would help him carry the load of being president if he did run and win, and they don't see why, with all that going against him, they should make him their standard bearer.

Even if, magically, Cain split the black vote with Obama, there's a lot of other voters. Voters that, presumably, would only vote for Cain if they saw a reason reason rather than a race reason to vote for him.

What reasons, other than that he's a Republican? And that wouldn't sway independents.

46 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:59:30am

re: #41 lostlakehiker

Not so fast there. The GOP hasn't gone and nominated Cain. Intrade etc. estimate his chances in low single digits.

What we're looking at here is contempt, alright, but it's Cain's contempt for the ability of Republican primary voters to figure out what will happen in the general election if he wins the nomination.

My guess is that while Republican voters may be stupid, they're not as stupid as Cain thinks they are.

That doesn't pertain to my point. He's intended to legitimize the Republican Party among African American voters, whether he's the nominee or not. That's the purpose of a token politician -- an appeal to emotion, to try to trick black voters into thinking they're welcome on the right.

47 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:00:13am

re: #36 keithgabryelski

Well, I didn't say "correctly". I said "thouroughly". "Because he's __[fill in the color]__" has never been part of Black voting patterns.

48 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:00:57am

re: #44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It shouldn't be. Every group has their dumbfracks, ignoramuses and baldfaced opportunists. In the Age of Obama, a Herman Cain is inevitable; if not him, then one of the other 17 Blacks who vote Republican.

Yep. It's the Uncle Ruckus voting bloc.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:01:22am

re: #47 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

An eggplant?

(For those who aren't here a lot, this refers back to a previous thread last week.)

50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:02:26am

re: #45 lostlakehiker

Even if, magically, Cain split the black vote with Obama, there's a lot of other voters.

None so symbolic -- that's a function of this country's race hysteria, a derivative of conservatism. Why do you think white conservative Rs run around shrieking "party of lincoln" and "democrat plantation" all day?

51 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:05:14am

OT, but this sort of fail can't be ignored:

Former AIG CEO Sues Claiming Taxpayers Need To Pony Up $25 Billion More

For many years, insurance behemoth AIG was so poorly managed that the American taxpayer eventually had to invest nearly $70 billion in the incompetently run company to prevent its collapse from taking the entire U.S. economy along with it (much of this money has since been repaid).

Former AIG CEO Maurice Greenberg, however, thinks that the American people haven’t done enough to protect his massive fortune, so his company filed a lawsuit demanding even more taxpayer money.

52 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:06:11am

Well, the Republican Party's currently more or less run by the same Birchers who called Eisenhower a commie, so I have no idea how Cain's point is relevant.

53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:08:42am

re: #46 Charles

That doesn't pertain to my point. He's intended to legitimize the Republican Party among African American voters, whether he's the nominee or not. That's the purpose of a token politician -- an appeal to emotion, to try to trick black voters into thinking they're welcome on the right.

I disagree to a point, Charles. The Rs know they'll never break The Black Vote™ as long as they cater to white bigots. A Black constituency with sizeable numbers means they have to actually pay attention to the issues that affect us instead of slathering them over with moralist, pie-in-the-sky rhetoric about plantations and escaped slaves.

A Black constituency will also drive the confederates they are desperate to hang on to right into the arms of the Constitution Party or Campaign for Liberty or one of those.

AFAIC, the function of HC is not to attract Black voters or even split or dilute the Black D vote. It's to validate the confederate views the GOP has articulated for the past generation using the best possible symbol: someone Black instead of some throwback from the Citizens Council.

54 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:08:50am

re: #42 recusancy

No way on Condi. She'd get the same support Cain is getting.

Possibly, because of the baggage that she has in regards to her ties to GW Bush.
However, her own statements have placed her much closer to the political center because of her own history with overt racism in Alabama, and the fact that she is much more in the pro-choice camp than pretty much all of the current field of Republican presidential candidates. In todays's Republican Party, she wouldn't get past the primaries, but if she did, in my opinion she would fare much, much better than Cain in a general election.

55 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:09:09am

re: #39 Charles

Man, I can't believe how much referrer spam is coming from Russia lately. Sergey, would you tell your countrymen to knock it off, please?

How lame do you have to be to spam referrer logs?

56 Olsonist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:10:41am

re: #46 Charles

Cain is kind of like the Prius. In 2010 Toyota sold 140,928 Prius vs 8,557,351 cars/trucks. That's 1.6%. The Prius is a Token to make the Camry buyers feel better about themselves.

57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:11:01am

re: #54 RadicalModerate

Possibly, because of the baggage that she has in regards to her ties to GW Bush.
However, her own statements have placed her much closer to the political center because of her own history with overt racism in Alabama, and the fact that she is much more in the pro-choice camp than pretty much all of the current field of Republican presidential candidates. In todays's Republican Party, she wouldn't get past the primaries, but if she did, in my opinion she would fare much, much better than Cain in a general election.

Well, she's also a lot smarter than him. And probably doesn't go around groping women.

The better comparison would be how she would stack up against Romney. I think given the choice, the confederates would go with him in a hot minute.

58 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:14:11am

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I disagree to a point, Charles. The Rs know they'll never break The Black Vote™ as long as they cater to white bigots. A Black constituency with sizeable numbers means they have to actually pay attention to the issues that affect us instead of slathering them over with moralist, pie-in-the-sky rhetoric about plantations and escaped slaves.

A Black constituency will also drive the confederates they are desperate to hang on to right into the arms of the Constitution Party or Campaign for Liberty or one of those.

AFAIC, the function of HC is not to attract Black voters or even split or dilute the Black D vote. It's to validate the confederate views the GOP has articulated for the past generation using the best possible symbol: someone Black instead of some throwback from the Citizens Council.

That's a good point, but I also think Cain is intended to provide cover for that agenda. I've lost track of how many wingnut articles I've read arguing that the presence of Cain among the presidential candidates proves once and for all that there's no racism on the right. And I've seen pundits and journalists accepting this as a valid argument, as if they've never heard of tokenism.

59 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:19:55am

re: #58 Charles

That's a good point, but I also think Cain is intended to provide cover for that agenda. I've lost track of how many wingnut articles I've read arguing that the presence of Cain among the presidential candidates proves once and for all that there's no racism on the right. And I've seen pundits and journalists accepting this as a valid argument, as if they've never heard of tokenism.

Yes, and all the attendent pearl-clutching that goes along with it when you call tokenist behaivor for what it is e_e. We've read similar idiotic arguments on LGF from people who think "our blacks" is a funny joke.

And the comedy: they act like there aren't 3 living generations of Black people alive today, who don't deal with this same crud from them on a daily basis. The self-delusion and racial cognitive dissonance of the rwnj right knows no bounds.

60 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:20:32am

re: #46 Charles

That doesn't pertain to my point. He's intended to legitimize the Republican Party among African American voters, whether he's the nominee or not. That's the purpose of a token politician -- an appeal to emotion, to try to trick black voters into thinking they're welcome on the right.

A tactic that I don't understand at all, unless they honestly don't think that those same African-American voters are going to completely ignore the direct attempts to restrict their voting rights via the ACORN attacks, and Tea Party members engaging in intimidation against voter registration groups as well as minority voters themselves. Not to mention, do they really think that the direct ties to (SPLC-certified) hate groups like the John Birch Society, the Family Research Council and American Family Association, and blatantly racist individuals like Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan are going to go unnoticed?

61 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:21:31am

Obama gets the Mic check thing from OWS idiots.


Embarrassing.
62 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:26:04am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Obama gets the Mic check things from OWS idiots.

[Video]
Embarrassing.

I thought that President Obama handled that AMAZINGLY well, unlike certain Tea Party congressmen and governors who started yelling at their constituents, having them forcibly removed (and in a couple instances tried to have them arrested).

63 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:28:25am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Obama gets the Mic check things from OWS idiots.

[Video]
Embarrassing.

I don't think it was that embarrassing ... Obama handled it very well.

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:29:38am

re: #62 RadicalModerate

I thought that President Obama handled that AMAZINGLY well, unlike certain Tea Party congressmen and governors who started yelling at their constituents, having them forcibly removed (and in a couple instances tried to have them arrested).

He handled it ok, there's not really much else to do. It's still amazingly disrespectful to the President to do this stuff.

65 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:31:03am
66 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:31:06am

These people wear their hatred of all things Obama as a badge of honor, they feel compelled to put it right in everyone's faces.

67 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:31:40am

re: #63 Charles

I don't think it was that embarrassing ... Obama handled it very well.

Not on his part but I always find it embarrassing that people disrespect the President like that. Same goes for some right wing lunatic screaming about abortion or Tea Party nonsense. It's very rude.

68 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:32:17am

re: #62 RadicalModerate

I thought that President Obama handled that AMAZINGLY well, unlike certain Tea Party congressmen and governors who started yelling at their constituents, having them forcibly removed (and in a couple instances tried to have them arrested).

That's the best part of having Obama as president. He recognizes that all Americans have the right to free speech and lets them exercise it.

How do you think President Cain or President Gingrich would have handled it? They probably would have been thrown out and arrested (Cain) or subjected to an interminable lecture on how they were nowhere near as smart as who they were talking to (Gingrich).

69 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:33:23am

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70 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:34:17am

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Not on his part but I always find it embarrassing that people disrespect the President like that. Same goes for some right wing lunatic screaming about abortion or Tea Party nonsense. It's very rude.

Maybe so, but Obama's clearly pretty comfortable with it. He actually says "It's OK," and patiently waits for them to finish, smiling the whole time. Not even a hint of being upset about it. That's class.

71 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:34:44am

re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There was 57, 64 and 65. The confederates are still rubbing their asses about all three, to this day. It comes out in their utter schizophrenia when it comes to the word and concept "black".

A part of me is enjoying what "Herman Cain" the man and the symbolic object does to their sensibilities, even though it's lethal sauce.

^^ This ^^
Watching the mental gymnastics these dummies have to perform in order to justify supporting this clown...
My whole family is enjoying it.

72 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:34:57am

He should have pepper sprayed them!

73 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:35:07am

re: #69 000G

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Thanks! That's very useful.

74 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:35:31am

Has Cain been asked about Limbaugh and Beck and the "uppity" first lady?

I'd love to hear precisely what was "uppity" about her attending an event with a military family, on a day that was supposed to draw attention to military families?

75 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:36:01am

re: #72 recusancy

He should have pepper sprayed them!

And give them a food product for free? Pfft. What are you, some kinda wealth redistributing commie?

///

76 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:36:05am

re: #72 recusancy

He should have pepper sprayed them!

Image: PepperSprayisaVegetable.jpg

77 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:37:01am

re: #69 000G

For Lidane:

Everything You Need to Know About SOPA, The Proposed Internet Blacklist Bill

Image: SOPAinfographic.png

Here's the site that image originated from, and has additional links and resources for individuals who want to help fight this insanely overreaching piece of legislation.

[Link: americancensorship.org...]

78 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:37:31am

re: #74 funky chicken

Has Cain been asked about Limbaugh and Beck and the "uppity" first lady?

I'd love to hear precisely what was "uppity" about her attending an event with a military family, on a day that was supposed to draw attention to military families?

the entire govt and all the wannabes are uppity...keep it simple

79 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:37:53am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Obama gets the Mic check thing from OWS idiots.

[Video]
Embarrassing.

I don't know...he seems to have handled the situation with grace and class, as always.

80 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:38:30am

re: #74 funky chicken

Has Cain been asked about Limbaugh and Beck and the "uppity" first lady?

I'd love to hear precisely what was "uppity" about her attending an event with a military family, on a day that was supposed to draw attention to military families?

The NASCAR fans felt the need to demonstrate that their contempt for Obama and his family even outweighs their respect for US veterans.

81 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:39:09am

re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, she's also a lot smarter than him. And probably doesn't go around groping women.

The better comparison would be how she would stack up against Romney. I think given the choice, the confederates would go with him in a hot minute.

They would. They love Dr. Rice and see her as essential in a supportive role --like a wife.

As usual, I think it is often a case of the tail wagging the dog --as with wives and husbands.

I deeply admire Dr. Rice and because she will be happy in her life regardless of what the rest of us think.

82 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:39:45am

re: #79 darthstar

I don't know...he seems to have handled the situation with grace and class, as always.

KT is saying that he is embarassed on behalf of the OWS guys. He's moved on from being concerned, ysee.

83 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:40:06am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

It's a testament to his strength of character.
I cringe when people call him weak, because the average person (me) would have put those asses in Guantanamo.
:-)

84 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:40:42am

re: #46 Charles

That doesn't pertain to my point. He's intended to legitimize the Republican Party among African American voters, whether he's the nominee or not. That's the purpose of a token politician -- an appeal to emotion, to try to trick black voters into thinking they're welcome on the right.

You're right, of course. But damn few AA voters would go for Newt Gingrich, or any ticket with Newt Gingrich anywhere close to it no matter what Cain or any other person of any ethnicity will say or do between now and election day.

And unbelievably, it looks like Gingrich might actually be on the ticket. This respectful treatment by Bill Bennett turned my stomach:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Unbelievable.

85 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:41:58am

re: #82 000G

KT is saying that he is embarassed on behalf of the OWS guys. He's moved on from being concerned, ysee.

but you haven't...the sniping gets pretty old

86 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:42:34am
87 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:42:40am

re: #82 000G

KT is saying that he is embarassed on behalf of the OWS guys. He's moved on from being concerned, ysee.

We all have assholes in our respective camps. They just seem to enjoy making appearances at public and media events more than the non-assholes do. That's to be expected. They're the ones who have to wake up in the morning, go to YouTube, and see the President make them look like petty fools for their rudeness...hopefully they don't brag too much at the bar tonight because all their friends saw them get PWNED already too.

88 allegro  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:43:12am

re: #79 darthstar

I don't know...he seems to have handled the situation with grace and class, as always.

He also diffused the situation in about a minute. When people are treated with respect like they actually matter it's amazing how quickly they will stop to listen to you.

89 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:43:47am
90 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:43:58am

re: #85 albusteve

but you haven't...the sniping gets pretty old

Speaking of paragons of virtue...Hi Steve!

91 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:44:37am

re: #89 recusancy

New study find Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News

That's why they think pepper spray is a food product.

92 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:44:47am

re: #86 ggt

Newt will never be on the ticket if he proposes using a Congressional Act to circumvent the Constitution and the Supreme Court.

You think that would bother GOP primary voters? Newt's defending marriage, after all.

Yeah, it's nauseating.

93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:45:38am

re: #85 albusteve

...the sniping gets pretty old

9_9

Doesn't it, though.

94 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:45:56am

re: #88 allegro

He also diffused the situation in about a minute. When people are treated with respect like they actually matter it's amazing how quickly they will stop to listen to you.

OWS protesters: "WE WANT ATTENTION! WE WANT ATTENTION!"

President Obama: "Okay. Let me speak first, then I'll listen to you."

OWS protesters: "Aw fuck, that's right...we love this guy...Sorry, Mr. President."

95 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:46:24am

re: #84 funky chicken
Wasn't Bill Bennett the one who said crime rates would drop if there were more black abortions?
Why yes he did...
I remember cause I was pregnant with one of those black babies he was talking about.

96 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:46:27am

re: #92 funky chicken

You think that would bother GOP primary voters? Newt's defending marriage, after all.

Yeah, it's nauseating.

True, I should have said POTUS, instead of nominee --probably.

I still think using Congress in that way would be a negative with the strict Constitutionalists. He'll probably back down in favor of the Human Life Amendment eventually.

97 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:47:13am

re: #78 albusteve

the entire govt and all the wannabes are uppity...keep it simple

Right. I'm sure that's what Rush and Glenn meant.

98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:48:04am

re: #95 OhNoZombies!

Wasn't Bill Bennett the one who said crime rates would drop if there were more black abortions?
Why yes he did...
I remember cause I was pregnant with one of those black babies he was talking about.

Pro life, but for white conservative fetus only.

99 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:48:14am

The protesters gave Obama a note: [Link: yfrog.com...]

100 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:51:39am

Obama Interrupted By Protestors In New Hampshire Speech

The demonstrators made a remark about four-thousand protestors being arrested before they were drowned out by others at the event chanting "fired up, ready to go" and "Obama!" It took several seconds for the shouting between groups to subside enough for Obama to continue his speech.
Later, Obama remarked that protestors in the Occupy movement feel a "profound sense of frustration" about how the notion that perseverance leads to success is slipping away.
ABC News cites a statement from the protesters in reporting they also intended to make remarks about bankers continuing to "destroy the American economy." The statement said the demonstrators wanted Obama to make a statement supporting their First Amendment rights under the U.S. constitution.

Morons.

101 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:52:05am

re: #98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You're right. Silly me. I forgot.
/

102 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:53:55am

So who else is excited for another debate tonight?!

(kill me now...)

103 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:54:08am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Obama Interrupted By Protestors In New Hampshire Speech

Morons.

Isn't this the same story as your video in #61?

They're right...thousands of peaceful protesters have been arrested. Peaceful people voicing their discontent with silence have been pepper-sprayed. This isn't the Tea Party. It's not being sponsored by elected officials and a major news network. These people aren't morons, they're patriots.

104 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:54:39am

OT: When Michelle Bachmann appeared on Jimmy Fallon's show the other night, The Roots had a special intro song for her.

The original:

105 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:54:50am

re: #90 darthstar

Speaking of paragons of virtue...Hi Steve!

sup bro?

106 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:54:50am

re: #99 recusancy

The protesters gave Obama a note: [Link: yfrog.com...]

Obama can't change laws about sleeping in parks, attacking police officers or crapping in the street.

107 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:55:19am

re: #102 JasonA

So who else is excited for another debate tonight?!

(kill me now...)

Whoo-hoo! Tonight's debate topic: "The Fourth Commandment. It doesn't say anything about not killing brown people."

108 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:55:41am

Out out for a while

Have a great afternoon all!

109 allegro  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:56:25am

re: #103 darthstar

Isn't this the same story as your video in #61?

They're right...thousands of peaceful protesters have been arrested. Peaceful people voicing their discontent with silence have been pepper-sprayed. This isn't the Tea Party. It's not being sponsored by elected officials and a major news network. These people aren't morons, they're patriots.

Wishing I had many more than one upding to give. Well said.

110 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:56:33am

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Obama can't change laws about sleeping in parks, attacking police officers or crapping in the street.

I think I'll go take a crap in the street at lunch...This is America, damnit!

111 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:57:12am

re: #103 darthstar

They're right...thousands of peaceful protesters have been arrested. Peaceful people voicing their discontent with silence have been pepper-sprayed. This isn't the Tea Party. It's not being sponsored by elected officials and a major news network. These people aren't morons, they're patriots.

LIES! Everyone knows that OWS protesters are just a bunch of violent, drug-addled, Marxist trust fund hippies who support rape and stabbings. They deserve to be pepper sprayed and arrested and more.

112 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:57:42am

re: #95 OhNoZombies!

Wasn't Bill Bennett the one who said crime rates would drop if there were more black abortions?
Why yes he did...
I remember cause I was pregnant with one of those black babies he was talking about.

Yep, but he was talking with or about the Freakonomics authors/book, right? So it wasn't his proposition. As a guy who has always said he's "pro-life," he should have strongly objected to the fact that anybody would even bring up such a point...obviously he didn't.

I'm not "pro-life," thus the scare quotes....

Otherwise Bennett is a bright guy and a good author, and pretty moderate, at least in today's GOP. He should be sounding the alarm over a crank like Gingrich, not defending him.

It's just another sad reflection on the fact that cranks now have the power in the GOP and even the elder statesmen have to treat them with kid gloves.

113 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:57:54am

Well, this thread proves that a lack of new OWS news does not necessarily mean people will stop bitching about OWS.
/

114 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:57:54am

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Obama can't change laws about sleeping in parks, attacking police officers or crapping in the street.

Their issue is not with them getting arrested. They aren't protesting so they can sleep in parks.

115 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:57:54am

re: #110 darthstar

I think I'll go take a crap in the street at lunch...This is America, damnit!

Wear goggles in case some fascist oppresses your freedom with pepperspray.

116 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:57:56am

re: #111 Lidane

Sorry...no time for rape or stabbing...I already promised to go take a crap in the street.

117 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:58:37am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Wear goggles in case some fascist oppresses your freedom with pepperspray.

Pooper-spray > pepper-spray.

118 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:59:19am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Who needs goggles? Pepper spray is just a harmless food product.

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119 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:59:29am

re: #117 darthstar

Pooper-spray

What a great idea. I am contacting my General Assembly right now!

120 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:00:14pm

Okay...lunch time interview...bbl.

121 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:02:03pm

re: #39 Charles

Man, I can't believe how much referrer spam is coming from Russia lately. Sergey, would you tell your countrymen to knock it off, please?

Must be "Peggy" from the credit card reward office.

122 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:02:13pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Good grief Killgore. Is it your intention to turn EVERY damn thread into an anti-OWS rant?

123 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:02:51pm

Former AIG CEO: "We were robbed!"

Former AIG CEO Sues Claiming Taxpayers Need To Pony Up $25 Billion More

Former AIG CEO Maurice Greenberg, however, thinks that the American people haven’t done enough to protect his massive fortune, so his company filed a lawsuit demanding even more taxpayer money:

124 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:03:38pm

re: #122 RadicalModerate

Good grief Killgore. Is it your intention to turn EVERY damn thread into an anti-OWS rant?

OWSDS?

125 BishopX  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:03:49pm

re: #118 Lidane

I find goggles help make vegetables more exiting. Especially if you tint them so you can't see the green.

126 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:03:54pm

In other news:

Obama Declares War on Alex Jones!

127 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:04:12pm

re: #123 JasonA

Former AIG CEO: "We were robbed!"

Former AIG CEO Sues Claiming Taxpayers Need To Pony Up $25 Billion More

But remember, kids-- the protesters are the bad guys. We should all STFU and just let things go on as they always have.

128 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:05:40pm

re: #127 Lidane

OWS hippies whining about America getting fucked over while AIG CEO whines about America not getting fucked over enough.

Which is more embarassing?

129 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:06:06pm

re: #126 000G

I'll waste precious time doing crap like playing video games, but I won't waste it listening to that. Reader's Digest version?

130 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:06:42pm

re: #123 JasonA

Former AIG CEO: "We were robbed!"

Former AIG CEO Sues Claiming Taxpayers Need To Pony Up $25 Billion More

Put that mother .. ahem.. in jail.

In Ryker's Island, or the bad section of Leavenworth, depending if they can ..

131 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:06:54pm

re: #122 RadicalModerate

Good grief Killgore. Is it your intention to turn EVERY damn thread into an anti-OWS rant?

The question has been asked and answered.

132 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:06:56pm

re: #128 000G

OWS hippies whining about America getting fucked over while AIG CEO whines about America not getting fucked over enough.

Which is more embarassing?

The hippies, clearly.

///

133 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:07:37pm

re: #130 funky chicken

Put that mother .. ahem.. in jail.

In Ryker's Island, or the bad section of Leavenworth, depending if they can ..

Why? Did he do something truly heinous, like camp out in a park?

134 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:07:50pm

OK. I'm going to go take a little time out now. AIG executives should be in jail, not suing for even more cash to cover the fact that they decided to go to Vegas with the US economy.

135 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:07:57pm

re: #129 JasonA

The gist is here: [Link: www.infowars.com...]

136 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:08:13pm

Why isn't there a law that in any year that a company gets substantial government assistance, the top executive's compensation packages* are capped? I wouldn't want to monkey with a completely private company, but if the company is on governmental life support, I fail to see why the taxpayers have to pay ridiculous salaries.

*Salary no longer cuts it. It's now the package.

137 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:08:14pm

re: #132 Lidane

The hippies, clearly.

///

Yeah, people won't get mad at AIG until the CEO poops in the street or camps in a park. Some things are clearly beyond the pale.
///

138 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:08:41pm

re: #123 JasonA

Former AIG CEO: "We were robbed!"

Former AIG CEO Sues Claiming Taxpayers Need To Pony Up $25 Billion More

I'm guessing that the fat "golden parachute" severance package that he received has ties to the market value of the company. Add $25B to that number, and he gets cut another big paycheck.

139 Summer Seale  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:09:09pm

re: #72 recusancy

He should have pepper sprayed them!

[Link: plus.google.com...]

I made it this morning. I had to add to the meme and I hadn't seen that one done yet. =)

140 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:09:25pm

re: #136 EmmmieG

Why isn't there a law that in any year that a company gets substantial government assistance, the top executive's compensation packages* are capped? I wouldn't want to monkey with a completely private company, but if the company is on governmental life support, I fail to see why the taxpayers have to pay ridiculous salaries.

*Salary no longer cuts it. It's now the package.

because the lawmakers are married to the CEOs....they both screw the public

141 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:11:51pm

re: #137 makeitstop

Yeah, people won't get mad at AIG until the CEO poops in the street or camps in a park. Some things are clearly beyond the pale.
///

Just imagine if that AIG CEO sat there passively while a cop in riot gear casually pepper sprayed him. At that point, people would be calling for him to be sent to Gitmo.

142 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:12:34pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Obama can't change laws about sleeping in parks, attacking police officers or crapping in the street.

No but he can use his bully pulpit to shame congress into doing something about financial regulation and some of these dirt bag Wall Street executives who got away with murder and a fat check cut from TARP funds.

143 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:13:37pm

re: #142 ArchangelMichael

No but he can use his bully pulpit to shame congress into doing something about financial regulation and some of these dirt bag Wall Street executives who got away with murder and a fat check cut from TARP funds.

Shh. You're fucking up the narrative. Don't you know that OWS is only about camping out in parks and crapping in public?

///

144 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:14:19pm

re: #143 Lidane

Shh. You're fucking up the narrative. Don't you know that OWS is only about camping out in parks and crapping in public?

///

And attacking defenseless cops. Don't forget the defenseless cops.
/

145 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:15:24pm

re: #142 ArchangelMichael

No but he can use his bully pulpit to shame congress into doing something about financial regulation and some of these dirt bag Wall Street executives who got away with murder and a fat check cut from TARP funds.

he doesn't want to get involved....that's a congressional problem and he's busy campaigning 18 holes today

146 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:15:36pm

re: #144 makeitstop

And attacking defenseless cops. Don't forget the defenseless cops.
/

And raping and stabbing! Won't someone please think of the rapey stabbers!

147 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:16:37pm

re: #143 Lidane

Shh. You're fucking up the narrative. Don't you know that OWS is only about camping out in parks and crapping in public?

///

Camping out in parks and crapping in public is just pissing people off. It's not going to fix anything. Until OWS packs up it's shit and goes to DC it's just going to be a bunch of knee-jerk habitual protesters accomplishing nothing but having an obnoxious party in the park.

148 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:16:44pm

re: #146 Alouette

And raping and stabbing! Won't someone please think of the rapey stabbers!

Right. No OWS gathering is complete without the rapey-stabby contingent.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:18:17pm

Google.com has a fantastic tribute to Lem's Cyberiad on the frontpage.

150 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:18:22pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

Camping out in parks and crapping in public is just pissing people off. It's not going to fix anything. Until OWS packs up it's shit and goes to DC it's just going to be a bunch of knee-jerk habitual protesters accomplishing nothing but having an obnoxious party in the park.

like that

151 allegro  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:18:27pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

Camping out in parks and crapping in public is just pissing people off. It's not going to fix anything. Until OWS packs up it's shit and goes to DC it's just going to be a bunch of knee-jerk habitual protesters accomplishing nothing but having an obnoxious party in the park.

A whole lot of time has been spent talking about this irrelevant thingy. Here, on the news, every day... yeah, totally irrelevant.

152 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:19:04pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Right. No OWS gathering is complete without the rapey-stabby contingent.

I thought you were tired of OWS?
heh

153 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:19:15pm

re: #142 ArchangelMichael

No but he can use his bully pulpit to shame congress into doing something

Have you heard John Boehner lately? Do you think shame is something he's even capable of feeling?

154 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:19:29pm

re: #149 Sergey Romanov

Google.com has a fantastic tribute to Lem's Cyberiad on the frontpage.

?

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:20:14pm

re: #154 000G

You don't see it?

156 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:20:24pm

re: #155 Sergey Romanov

You don't see it?

Nope.

157 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:21:06pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

Camping out in parks and crapping in public is just pissing people off. It's not going to fix anything. Until OWS packs up it's shit and goes to DC it's just going to be a bunch of knee-jerk habitual protesters accomplishing nothing but having an obnoxious party in the park.

They protested Obama today. They got his attention and made their grievances known.

158 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:21:14pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

Until OWS packs up it's shit and goes to DC it's just going to be a bunch of knee-jerk habitual protesters accomplishing nothing but having an obnoxious party in the park.

Ah, but confronting the President directly and asking for his intervention is an embarrassment, so what's left? Putting on a suit and joining the very same network of lobbyists that OWS is protesting against in the first place?

Yeah. Real productive, there.

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:21:20pm

re: #156 000G

google.com/en ?

160 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:21:34pm

face it...plenty of deniers love the OWS memes....just admit it

161 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:21:39pm

re: #155 Sergey Romanov

You don't see it?

Here in the US we get a stupid Thanksgiving motif.

162 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:22:12pm

re: #154 000G

They rape and stab!
They camp and crap!
Rape, rape, stab!
Camp, camp, crab!
The Occupy Wall Street Shooow!

?

Speaking of crab...the crab fishermen still don't have agreement on the prices this year, so there will be no commercial crab available until after Thanksgiving at the soonest. One of my friends asked me if I could find crabs for her, as it's a family tradition to feast on crabs over Thanksgiving for her, and all I could do was point her to a charter boat...which she booked. Hopefully the weather holds...if it does she'll be going home with a dozen crabs when she only needs four. And at about 1/3 the price. Ha!

163 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:22:34pm

re: #157 recusancy

They protested Obama today. They got his attention and made their grievances known.

It wasn't done in a park. They need to do this more, respectfully, and not just to Obama... all their representatives.

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:22:46pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Damn.

165 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:22:52pm

re: #152 albusteve

I thought you were tired of OWS?
heh

Where'd I say that?

166 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:23:22pm

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

google.com/en ?

Yeah, nothing.

167 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:23:29pm

re: #164 Sergey Romanov

Damn.

I see it now, gotta go to Google.ru

168 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:23:42pm

re: #145 albusteve

he doesn't want to get involved...that's a congressional problem and he's busy campaigning 18 holes today

Is this Bush the Lesser we are talking about, or John Boner?

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:23:47pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

If it's just a bunch of people out camping in a park, why aren't we just ignoring them? Why should we pay an attention at all to people who have to program, no spokesperson, no political platform or agenda?

Perhaps because they have touched a nerve...

170 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:23:54pm

re: #158 Lidane

Ah, but confronting the President directly and asking for his intervention is an embarrassment, so what's left? Putting on a suit and joining the very same network of lobbyists that OWS is protesting against in the first place?

Yeah. Real productive, there.

I'm not KT. I didn't say it was embarrassing. They need to do more of this but work on their Congressmen too. Go to DC and knock on their damn doors.

171 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:24:05pm

re: #158 Lidane

Ah, but confronting the President directly and asking for his intervention is an embarrassment, so what's left? Putting on a suit and joining the very same network of lobbyists that OWS is protesting against in the first place?

Yeah. Real productive, there.

something like that...if you don't fight this thing from the inside against congress then what?...I've asked for two weeks but rarely get any response...principle will get you nothing but short lived MSM attention

172 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:24:15pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Hehe.

173 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:25:26pm

re: #5 Charles

Watch -- now the wingnuts will all start screaming that I'm a racist because I used the word "token."

Ha, as if. The term racist is dropped here so much that it's pretty much lost all meaning. If Cain wanted to secure the black vote all he had to do was run as a Democrat.

174 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:25:33pm

re: #165 makeitstop

Where'd I say that?

excuse me, I thought you spoke for all the OWS news haters

175 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:25:41pm
176 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:25:49pm

re: #169 ralphieboy

If it's just a bunch of people out camping in a park, why aren't we just ignoring them? Why should we pay an attention at all to people who have to program, no spokesperson, no political platform or agenda?

Perhaps because they have touched a nerve...

They've been doing this for how long? Tell me what legislation has been passed thanks to them? What SEC or FTC regulations have been changed since then?

177 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:26:14pm

re: #168 RayFerd

Is this Bush the Lesser we are talking about, or John Boner?

BO, read the thread

178 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:26:31pm

re: #163 ArchangelMichael

It wasn't done in a park. They need to do this more, respectfully, and not just to Obama... all their representatives.

It has to start somewhere. Parks is where it started. It will evolve. Give it time.

179 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:26:49pm

Romney's first TV ad:

Pretty decent.

180 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:26:52pm

re: #170 ArchangelMichael

I'm not KT. I didn't say it was embarrassing. They need to do more of this but work on their Congressmen too. Go to DC and knock on their damn doors.

Patience.

Something about Mordor and one not simply walking into it.

181 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:26:59pm

re: #176 ArchangelMichael

They've been doing this for how long? Tell me what legislation has been passed thanks to them? What SEC or FTC regulations have been changed since then?

So why are we not ignoring them? What is the appeal or interest in this group of people that it grabs headlines and generates strong emotions on a nearly daily basis?

182 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:27:19pm

re: #176 ArchangelMichael

They've been doing this for how long? Tell me what legislation has been passed thanks to them? What SEC or FTC regulations have been changed since then?

Because legislation of that magnitude normally passes in a couple of months. Really.

183 allegro  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:09pm

re: #170 ArchangelMichael

I'm not KT. I didn't say it was embarrassing. They need to do more of this but work on their Congressmen too. Go to DC and knock on their damn doors.

You think no one is doing this? You think this hasn't been being done for years now? Do you think that just MAYBE being ignored is why people are now camped out at OWS in cities throughout the country?

184 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:19pm

re: #173 chunkymonkey

Ha, as if. The term racist is dropped here so much that it's pretty much lost all meaning. If Cain wanted to secure the black vote all he had to do was run as a Democrat.

Fortunately, you and Beltboy keep the term "moron" fresh and relevant.

185 BishopX  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:19pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

Just curious, have you gone down to your local encampment and talked to them?

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:24pm

re: #176 ArchangelMichael

They've been doing this for how long? Tell me what legislation has been passed thanks to them? What SEC or FTC regulations have been changed since then?

Lots of attempts have been made to pass regualtions and they have all been derailed or de-fanged. That could be one of the things behind their actions.

187 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:53pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

Romney 2012 – Pretty decent!

Maybe a little more enthusiasm.

188 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:57pm

re: #180 000G

Patience.

Something about Mordor and one not simply walking into it.

Mordor...hahaha!....
congress is supposed to serve the people....we own them

189 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:28:57pm

re: #172 Sergey Romanov

Hehe.

Neat, minigames. Somebody spent a ton of time on this.

190 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:29:05pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

Decent my ass.

Mitt Romney is a lying cocksucker for endorsing that ad. President Obama was quoting one of John McCain's aids who said "If we keep talking about the economy we're going to lose this election."

191 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:29:15pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

LOL It's also a blatant lie.

"As for Romney's ad, it's not just misleading. It's TV-station-refuse-to-air-it-misleading." -- ABC's @jaketapper

192 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:29:41pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

Sure, if motherhood statements and platitudes were a substitute for governance.

193 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:29:49pm

re: #187 000G

Romney 2012 – Pretty decent!

Maybe a little more enthusiasm.

And less lying.

194 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:29:49pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

Pretty decent for a total bullshit lie, you mean.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

195 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:29:49pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Yeah, quoting your opponent out of context is a real winner.

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:30:32pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

It's just neat that they actually decided to make a tribute, and such a tasteful one.

197 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:30:45pm

re: #195 JasonA

Yeah, quoting your opponent out of context is a real winner.

Is that what they teach in his cult? (the Republican party, not the Mormon church)

198 Winny Spencer  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:30:51pm

re: #191 recusancy

LOL It's also a blatant lie.

"As for Romney's ad, it's not just misleading. It's TV-station-refuse-to-air-it-misleading." -- ABC's @jaketapper

Oops.

199 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:31:04pm

re: #195 JasonA

Yeah, quoting your opponent out of context is a real winner.

Why not? It's not like Fox News viewers know any better anyway.

200 BishopX  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:31:08pm

re: #196 Sergey Romanov

I'm feeling left out. All I get is turkey, or am I missing something?

201 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:31:30pm

re: #188 albusteve

Mordor...hahaha!...
congress is supposed to serve the people...we own them

Slight gap between what is supposed to be the case and what is the case, no? You own them? Prove it!

202 windsagio  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:31:41pm

re: #198 Winny Spencer

Don't worry, everybody gets one. :D

203 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:32:10pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

In October 2008, a month before the president was elected, then-candidate Obama spoke in New Hampshire and told voters, “Senator McCain’s campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.’”

In Romney’s new attack ad, viewers only see Obama saying, “If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” The obvious point is to deceive the public — Romney wants voters to think the quote reflects Obama’s current thinking, not McCain’s three years ago.

Romney, in other words, is choosing to mislead voters and hoping they don’t know the difference.

Seems to have worked once.

204 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:32:14pm

re: #198 Winny Spencer

Oops.

Okay...I took away my downding for that ad. Nice Rick Perry quote.

205 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:32:33pm

re: #201 000G

Slight gap between what is supposed to be the case and what is the case, no? You own them? Prove it!

prove it?....good grief

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:32:54pm

re: #200 BishopX

Say thanks you have at least that! / See #167.

207 windsagio  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:33:05pm

re: #201 000G

Somebody call Simon Legree

208 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:33:26pm

re: #177 albusteve

BO, read the thread

Have been. Don't get snotty. If you can't refrain then FU.

209 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:34:47pm

re: #208 RayFerd

Have been. Don't get snotty. If you can't refrain the FU.

simply pointing out facts

210 windsagio  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:35:43pm

re: #208 RayFerd

Don't get trolled by albusteve.

211 Jack Burton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:35:51pm

re: #185 BishopX

Just curious, have you gone down to your local encampment and talked to them?

Yes I've spoken to about a dozen of them, but outside of the camp.

212 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:36:32pm

re: #210 windsagio

Don't get trolled by albusteve.

I'm getting trolled....you have it backwards again
no big deal, you'll pick it up

213 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:38:19pm

re: #210 windsagio

Don't get trolled by albusteve.

Condescending pricks are everywhere. I don't consider it a troll, he is just being him. Every once in awhile I give a snipe back. For the most part I consider the source and forget it.

214 aagcobb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:39:24pm

re: #60 RadicalModerate

A tactic that I don't understand at all, unless they honestly don't think that those same African-American voters are going to completely ignore the direct attempts to restrict their voting rights via the ACORN attacks, and Tea Party members engaging in intimidation against voter registration groups as well as minority voters themselves. Not to mention, do they really think that the direct ties to (SPLC-certified) hate groups like the John Birch Society, the Family Research Council and American Family Association, and blatantly racist individuals like Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan are going to go unnoticed?

The point of Herman Cain is not to draw african-american voters. He purpose is to reassure moderate white voters that the GOP is not racist. If not for the sex harassment issues erupting (and maybe anyway), Cain, though not the nominee, would have received a prominent speaking slot at the Convention, to reassure whites who aren't neo-confederates that its morally ok to vote GOP.

215 albusteve  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:42:09pm

re: #213 RayFerd

Condescending pricks are everywhere. I don't consider it a troll, he is just being him. Every once in awhile I give a snipe back. For the most part I consider the source and forget it.

I'm not any of that stuff...had you surfed the thread instead of jumping in at the bottom to snipe, you would have easily gotten the subject correct...pretty simple, and hardly worth all your negative energy

216 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:47:41pm

re: #215 albusteve

I'm not any of that stuff...had you surfed the thread instead of jumping in at the bottom to snipe, you would have easily gotten the subject correct...pretty simple, and hardly worth all your negative energy

Aww Jesus H. Fucking Christ. I was making a fucking snark about who spent more fucking time on the golf course. Fuck, you are just looking for contention. Let's just leave it "Fuck you don't talk to me" from both of us. Have a shitty life.

217 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:51:57pm

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

...Until OWS packs up it's shit and goes to DC it's just going to be a bunch of knee-jerk habitual protesters accomplishing nothing but having an obnoxious party in the park.

Were they to do/have done that, they could easily have been 'overlooked' by the media and the American people at large. Protesting out where the people are has gotten their message spread to those who would be/are in agreement with it. Now that the national conversation includes what the protesters want, yeah, maybe a DC protest on the mall will have some effect.

218 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:56:06pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]
Pretty decent.

219 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:58:00pm

re: #190 darthstar

Plus it points out a lot of things Obama and Congress tried to pass and the Republicans blocked or they had to water down enough so they could pass because of the republicans.

220 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 12:58:26pm

re: #188 albusteve

...congress is supposed to serve the people...we own them

I think this is one of those times where 'it only works on paper'...

221 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:10:40pm

re: #122 RadicalModerate

Good grief Killgore. Is it your intention to turn EVERY damn thread into an anti-OWS rant?

Yes...yes, it is.

222 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:13:39pm

re: #190 darthstar

Decent my ass.

Mitt Romney is a lying cocksucker for endorsing that ad. President Obama was quoting one of John McCain's aids who said "If we keep talking about the economy we're going to lose this election."

Where's the cries of homophobia? If I'd written that about Obama I'd be decried here as both a racist and homophobe. Nice double standard!

223 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:14:12pm

re: #222 chunkymonkey

Weak.

224 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:17:24pm

re: #223 Charles

Weak.

If you say so, but is it any weaker than calling Romney a cocksucker? Now that's class!

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:19:11pm

re: #224 chunkymonkey

Actually, I don't like that slur. On the other hand, I do use "suck" as a pejorative. Dunno. Gotta agree with Charles though - quite weak.

226 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:22:12pm

Everything about this thread is weak, I just joined the club.

227 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:31:12pm

re: #225 Sergey Romanov

Actually, I don't like that slur. On the other hand, I do use "suck" as a pejorative. Dunno. Gotta agree with Charles though - quite weak.

Which slurs do you like? I don't like any, except maybe "Canuck" for my Canadian friends and relatives.

228 palomino  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 2:33:13pm

re: #179 Winny Spencer

Romney's first TV ad:

[Video]Pretty decent.

Do facts matter to you? At all?

229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 2:49:58pm

The last thing on earth I need is a person like chunkeymonkey concern trolling about social issues.

re: #222 chunkymonkey

Where's the cries of homophobia? If I'd written that about Obama I'd be decried here as both a racist and homophobe. Nice double standard!

230 keithgabryelski  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 2:50:15pm

re: #47 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, I didn't say "correctly". I said "thouroughly". "Because he's __[fill in the color]__" has never been part of Black voting patterns.

And my point was more general than your sentence.

Simply: identity politics exists; whether that helps the voter is another discussion.

231 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 2:51:59pm

re: #229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The last thing on earth I need is a person like chunkeymonkey concern trolling about social issues.

I'm not concern trolling, I'm double standard trolling.

232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:20:25pm

re: #230 keithgabryelski

Simply: identity politics exists;

What does the phrase "identity politics" mean to you?

233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:21:32pm

re: #231 chunkymonkey

I'm not concern trolling, I'm double standard trolling.

It's not really a double standard, considering few people really give a crud what albusteve thinks or says, about much of anything.

234 chunkymonkey  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:24:51pm

re: #233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's not really a double standard, considering few people really give a crud what albusteve thinks or says, about much of anything.

Eh? I don't understand your point. My point was about the double standard of giving homophobic insults a pass when they are directed toward conservatives. Had nothing to do with albusteve.

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:37:35pm

re: #234 chunkymonkey

Eh? I don't understand your point. My point was about the double standard of giving homophobic insults a pass when they are directed toward conservatives. Had nothing to do with albusteve.

Ah, I see. Conservative butthurt, because an R got called a faggot. Did you know? Actual "cocksuckers" get called that every day, and much worse, typically at the hands of conservatives.

So, cry me a river.


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