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1 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:55:46pm

'Unilateral disarmament!!!'

2 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:55:53pm

Is it just me, or has Bachmann been kinda sorta not totally moronic tonight?

3 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:12pm

Brought to you by the Alcoholic Beverage Society of AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

4 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:12pm

The last thing Newt said was actually not ... awful

I feel dirty.

5 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:29pm

re: #1 jaunte

'Unilateral disarmament!!!'

= no Keystone pipeline?

Does she know what words mean?

6 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:37pm

Drill rig use goes up with oil prices.

Um... Michelle... Obama tried to duck the Keystone question and put his decision on hold.

7 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:41pm

re: #2 Meitantei

"Doctrine of appeasement!"

8 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:46pm

On the other hand, SNL and comedy central are usually great after these.

9 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:56:56pm

Wolfowizssss

10 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:57:09pm

I haven't watched any of the debates and I'm not watching this one. Lizards, entertain me!!!!:)

11 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:57:41pm

Africa was a country on the brink, Rick?

12 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:57:54pm

Bachmann: "Obama met with Iran with no preconditions..." WTF! When did that happen?

13 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:58:08pm

re: #10 Cannadian Club Akbar

You could watch the debate for me, and I play Skyrim. Deal?

14 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:58:08pm

Do all Repubs call Africa a country?

15 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:58:08pm

Uwh .. Michelle..

Ahmadinejad does not control the Iranian nuclear power programme, or the country's foreign policy.

AND SHE IS ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE!

16 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:58:12pm

Paul Wolfowitz

one of the Most Notoriously Wrong advisors any american administration ever had

17 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:58:36pm

Santorum - "Africa was a country on the brink"

18 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:58:38pm

re: #4 HAL2010

Santorum said something nice and intelligent. Now I feel dirty.

19 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:04pm

re: #16 engineer dog

Paul Wolfowitz

one of the Most Notoriously Wrong advisors any american administration ever had

Heh. And they call him a "scholar."

20 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:14pm

Not enough alcohol/drugs in the world to watch this debate.

21 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:25pm

LOL, checking the twitter feed.

22 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:37pm

Cain only knows 32 phrases in english.

23 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:37pm

Scratch the intelligence. I didn't hear the 'africa is a country' bit. Still a nice thing to say.

24 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:48pm

re: #12 Charles

Bachmann: "Obama met with Iran with no preconditions..." WTF! When did that happen?

Just before her last thorazine shot.

25 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:48pm

re: #18 Altermite

He knows how to tow the line of the thinking people, when he wants to.

26 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 5:59:48pm

re: #20 Iwouldprefernotto

Not enough alcohol/drugs in the world to watch this debate.

Well, I would prefer not to...

27 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00:00pm

Ron Paul recommends that Africans buy gold.

28 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00:05pm

Oh, Paul, now go away and take your crazy supporters with you. Foreign aid is barely anything.

And now he rants against Libya. God, why did I support this tool four years ago?

29 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00:26pm

re: #18 Altermite

Santorum said something nice and intelligent. Now I feel dirty.

Just imagine Santorum with a Santorum!

...

Oh dear god ..

30 Kragar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00:26pm

Another debate?

Whats to debate anyways? It seems like the only point of contention is they have is who really had God tell them to run?

31 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00:45pm

re: #20 Iwouldprefernotto

Not enough alcohol/drugs in the world to watch this debate.

I'm trying.

32 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:00:59pm

Romney brings up Obamacare. The balls on that guy...

33 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:04pm

re: #28 Meitantei

Oh, Paul, now go away and take your crazy supporters with you. Foreign aid is barely anything.

And now he rants against Libya. God, why did I support this tool four years ago?

It was just a phase.

34 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:20pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Do all Repubs call Africa a country?

They can't tell any of them apart, you know...

//!!!//

35 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:23pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another debate?

Whats to debate anyways? It seems like the only point of contention is they have is who really had God tell them to run?

NO, this is the foreign policy debate. God out the window.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:30pm

re: #32 recusancy

Romney brings up Obamacare. The balls on that guy...

He kind of has to.

37 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:47pm

re: #32 recusancy

Romney brings up Obamacare. The balls nuts on that guyrobot...

FTFY

38 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:52pm

re: #18 Altermite

Santorum said something nice and intelligent. Now I feel dirty.

It's the effect of pandering -- the other night we sob for Jesus, tonight we pander to AEI by trying to sound a little wonky. All these tv debates have shown just how much a change in venue also changes the "character" of a politician.

39 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:01:56pm

Are Romney and Hunstman there?

40 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:17pm

Mitt wants us to be afraid, very afraid.

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:24pm

I love it. Michele Bachmann totally made up a meeting between Obama and Iran that never happened.

42 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:27pm

...................wait, so what genocide has Iran been committing these days again?

43 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:31pm

re: #39 prairiefire

Are Romney and Hunstman there?

They're the only ones who are all there.

44 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:40pm

re: #40 freetoken

Mitt wants us to be afraid, very afraid.

And he's going to raise gas prices!!!

45 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:49pm

Mitt: Indict Ahmadenajad for violating the Genocide Convention.

What the freaking fuck?

46 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:02:59pm

re: #12 Charles

Bachmann: "Obama met with Iran with no preconditions..." WTF! When did that happen?

When she said it happened. It's not like the 'base' knows enough to know this is a lie.

47 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:08pm

Romney's not sure what he just said.

48 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:16pm

re: #41 Charles

She makes up a lot of stuff, like oil supplies, and gasoline supplies. Totally out of the void.

49 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:17pm

Romney just blew out all his speaking points all at once.

Time for some P.E. jokes.

50 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:22pm

re: #45 darthstar

Mitt: Indict Ahmadenajad for violating the Genocide Convention.

What the freaking fuck?

Oh just make shit up. It doesn't matter anymore.

51 Kragar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:29pm

re: #45 darthstar

Mitt: Indict Ahmadenajad for violating the Genocide Convention.

What the freaking fuck?

Those words make sense, but not when used together like that.

52 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:36pm

re: #41 Charles

I love it. Michele Bachmann totally made up a meeting between Obama and Iran that never happened.

The only possible explanation is that she's one of those Precogs from Minority Report. He will have a meeting.

53 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:38pm

re: #41 Charles

I love it. Michele Bachmann totally made up a meeting between Obama and Iran that never happened.

facts schmacts. dont matter anymore. craven.

54 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:39pm

re: #45 darthstar

I frankly admit I don't like international law at all, and using it against Dinner jacket is just going to invite the rest of the world to use it on us. And I'll never accept it.

55 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:03:48pm

re: #47 Major Tom

Romney's not sure what he just said.

He's just getting in touch with his inner Perry...the "Genocide Convention" is going to stick in his craw for the rest of the debate.

56 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:09pm

Gingrich scanning the crowd for potential future wives.

57 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:17pm

re: #41 Charles

I love it. Michele Bachmann totally made up a meeting between Obama and Iran that never happened.

It will instantly become part of the wingnut fact base, just like the time when we "sent half of the US Navy to India".

58 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:23pm

re: #55 darthstar

He's just getting in touch with his inner Perry...the "Genocide Convention" is going to stick in his craw for the rest of the debate.

Oops.

59 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:33pm

Am I the only person who thinks Ron Paul is too old to be president? (not to mention his crazy ideas).

60 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:33pm

re: #43 Decatur Deb

They're the only ones who are all there.

The brainiest girls at the ball are always under appreciated by the fickle youths.

61 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:43pm

re: #56 jaunte

While his wife, cruella daville, looks on.

62 Kragar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:04:46pm

re: #50 JasonA

Oh just make shit up. It doesn't matter anymore.

Works for Bachmann, Cain, and Newt. Mitt might as well give it a shot.

63 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:05pm

Gingrich pretends to be a DC outsider. Twilight zone shit right now.

64 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:05pm

i had no idea that the "audience" would consist exclusively of overpaid self important morons with letters after their names

65 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:06pm

Ummm... Newt, Navy ships stay in service for up to half a century. Anyone involved in defense systems know why it takes 10 years to develop new systems.

66 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:08pm

"If we were serious" we'd open up the oil fields.

Yes, but capitalist oil companies will need to build the refineries which will take ten years.

Production is nothing without refining. Grrr.

67 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:12pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Works for Bachmann, Cain, and Newt. Mitt might as well give it a shot.

I guess you didn't see his new campaign ad...

68 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:22pm

Six Sigma - Newt heard a cliche business buzzword and wrote it down. "This'll come in handy."

69 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:34pm

re: #56 jaunte

Gingrich scanning the crowd for potential future wives.

The redhead 30 year old in the second row got his eye...

70 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:34pm

re: #59 Iwouldprefernotto

Guy is a doctor, and I know he is a big exercise freak. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

71 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:48pm

Look, CNN, I don't know what an Octoshape Grid Delivery Enhancement is, but the freaking name scares the hell out of me. Unless you give it a more user-friendly name I ain't gonna install it.

72 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:50pm

re: #64 engineer dog

i had no idea that the "audience" would consist exclusively of overpaid self important morons with letters after their names

Not at all...36% of them are military lobbyists too.

73 Kragar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:05:56pm

re: #67 JasonA

I guess you didn't see his new campaign ad...

I don't watch TV with commercials.

74 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:06:13pm

As a British national, I am always so proud whenever we are rightly called the United States greatest ally.

If it's not being the second largest presence in Afghanistan, working the US on Libya, off the coast of Somalia or coordinating Intelligence in Pakistan, I always feel proud that the two greatest countries can work together so successfully.

...


Yeah, thanks for that shout-out GOP.

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:06:21pm

Newt just said Israel could blackmail him into a conventional invasion of Iran by threatening to go nuke.

76 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:06:25pm

re: #64 engineer dog

i had no idea that the "audience" would consist exclusively of overpaid self important morons with letters after their names

I have letters for AEI $ Heritage - STFU and GTFO

77 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:06:33pm

This whole thing about "opening oil fields" that Newt goes on about is just idiotic. There are no, none, nada, known oil deposits in the US that can make up the 10 million bbl / day production that we need.

78 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:06:53pm

So this "debate" is a bunch of right wing Republicans being asked easy questions by right wing think tanks. Pathetic.

79 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:06:58pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Works for Bachmann, Cain, and Newt. Mitt might as well give it a shot.

Umm... He does plenty of making shit up.

80 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:07:00pm

re: #74 HAL2010

All you do is provide tea, and Monty Python. Like we need you.


////////

81 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:07:17pm

re: #78 Charles

It's fascinating.

82 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:07:24pm

backawww w w

83 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:07:24pm

re: #71 BongCrodny

Look, CNN, I don't know what an Octoshape Grid Delivery Enhancement is, but the freaking name scares the hell out of me. Unless you give it a more user-friendly name I ain't gonna install it.

Is that what Octomom used in the delivery room?

84 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:07:42pm

re: #78 Charles

So this "debate" is a bunch of right wing Republicans being asked easy questions by right wing think tanks. Pathetic.

And no follow ups, no tough questions.

No one has mentioned a single specific thing that Obama has done wrong.

85 Kragar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:07:54pm

re: #79 recusancy

Umm... He does plenty of making shit up.

There is basic bullshit, and then there is batshit insane crap.

86 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:08:15pm

re: #78 Charles

So this "debate" is a bunch of right wing Republicans being asked easy questions by right wing think tanks. Pathetic.

How great is Israel?
How bad is Iran?
How much more do we need to spend on defence?

Very
Very
A lot

End.

87 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:08:21pm

Wolf, you need to define "compromise" for this bunch.

88 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:08:36pm

re: #65 freetoken

Anyone involved in defense systems know why it takes 10 years to develop new systems.

So dividing by zero doesn't cripple the ship?

89 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:09:06pm

re: #80 Meitantei

All you do is provide tea, and Monty Python. Like we need you.

///

Exactly.

Seriously, as a strategic ally what has Israel provided to the United States?

I say this as a great supporter of Israel. It's the whole "best ally ever" pitch that I do not understand.

90 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:09:15pm

He signed 6 balanced budgets, all by himself.

91 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:09:45pm

I can't stomach one more minute of that BS.
And yet I can't look away....

92 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:09:50pm

re: #90 mracb

He signed 6 balanced budgets, all by himself.

He has to. He's a governor. States can't run deficits.

93 Robert O.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:10:21pm

Okay. I have to admit I am not watching any of these debates until the actual Presidential debates begin between President Obama and whoever is the Republican nominee.

However, just out of curiosity, did anyone ask Gingrich for further explanation of child labor? Or is the GOP already talking about revoking the 13th Amendment? (To be followed by all the other Amendments except for the 2nd)

94 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:10:38pm

Perry does not control the national guard of Texas.

Old canard, busted when Palin said the same thing.

95 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:10:49pm

re: #78 Charles

So this "debate" is a bunch of right wing Republicans being asked easy questions by right wing think tanks. Pathetic.

I can remember when the GOP stood on the shoulders of Casper Weinberger, Lawrence Eagleburger, Alexander Haig and Henry Kissenger.

This is all they have left?

Face/palm

96 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:10:49pm

Perry is good at making up successful imaginary executive action.

97 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:10:51pm

re: #89 HAL2010

It's really the religious factor by Christian nutjobs, in the end. We may like the British, but you guys aren't the sign of the End Times, so you aren't valuable.

At least.... I think you guys aren't the sign of the End Times.

98 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:11:18pm

re: #84 HAL2010

And no follow ups, no tough questions.

No one has mentioned a single specific thing that Obama has done wrong.

Wolf did just lob a hardball, bring up the candidates' previous stated opposition to any tax increase.

Perry responds by pushing his "make Congress part-time" plan.

99 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:11:36pm

re: #97 Meitantei

At least... I think you guys aren't the sign of the End Times.

Have you tried their food?

100 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:11:40pm

Yes Rick, because 10 years of tax cuts has worked out so well.

101 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:11:44pm

The damn CNN stream keeps wanting to cut out... then I have to start the embedded Flash... just to have to watch a stupid commercial again.

Gah, Flash, curse of the internet.

102 Locker  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:11:53pm

Rick Santorum and Herman Cain both called for extra scrutiny for people who fit the profile of terrorists. Great so that means we are looking for older, white males carrying a copy of any book by Savage/Beck/Limbaugh/Coulter with special attention paid to anyone who publicly uses the word anti-christ.

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:12:06pm

re: #59 Iwouldprefernotto

Am I the only person who thinks Ron Paul is too old to be president? (not to mention his crazy ideas).

He's old, but feisty. If I liked him, I would say, pick a real strong VP and go for it.

104 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:12:19pm

"Obama poisoned teh well!"

105 Atlas Fails  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:12:30pm

Frothy math: revenue increases=larger deficit

106 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:12:30pm

Shot of Michele: "How can I say something crazier than Santorum?"

107 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:12:32pm

re: #90 mracb

He signed 6 balanced budgets, all by himself.

ok, now lets see you do it without the socialist federal aid

108 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:13:01pm

re: #97 Meitantei

It's really the religious factor by Christian nutjobs, in the end. We may like the British, but you guys aren't the sign of the End Times, so you aren't valuable.

At least... I think you guys aren't the sign of the End Times.

So when will the moderators mention this?

I am aware of the religious rights insane reason for their "support" of Israel as a means to bring about the end times, so I would hope that Blitzer would have the balls to mention it.

109 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:13:03pm

re: #100 mracb

Yes Rick, because 10 years of tax cuts has worked out so well.

They will always work just like Green Lantern's ring. You just have to have enough will power....
//

110 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:13:12pm

Hey, it's multi-millionaire serial philanderer Newt Gingrich!


Thanks, Charles.

111 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:13:25pm

At the age of 14, the questioner's favorite book was Atlas Shrugged.

112 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:13:26pm

Santorum is outraged at the idea of political campaigning! It disgusts him! He can't imagine the kind of scumbag that would stoop so low!

113 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:14:23pm

Question on Entitlement Reform and what the candidates would propose.

Gingrich talks Social Security reform. He's doing fairly well, and praising the Social Security system used in Chile.

114 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:14:37pm

re: #78 Charles

So this "debate" is a bunch of right wing Republicans being asked easy questions by right wing think tanks. Pathetic.

And STILL they manage to fuck it up.

(Newt was right..this is a debate like no other...the others weren't stacked like this)

115 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:14:45pm

If can look at Chile as an exemplar for Social Security, can we look at Britain as one for healthcare?

116 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:15:14pm

re: #102 Locker

Rick Santorum and Herman Cain both called for extra scrutiny for people who fit the profile of terrorists. Great so that means we are looking for older, white males carrying a copy of any book by Savage/Beck/Limbaugh/Coulter with special attention paid to anyone who publicly uses the word anti-christ.

Don't be a middle aged Jewish woman sitting on an airplane next to a guy who has to use the restroom....

117 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:15:19pm

again with the failed chile model again as the way to go

the government of chile was embarrassed to find out that letting people bet their retirement money on the stock market led to broke retirees

118 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:15:29pm

re: #100 mracb

Yes Rick, because 10 years of tax cuts has worked out so well.

Stephen Colbert: "We rich people are like a slot machine. You've gotta keep pumping quarters into us. We're bound to pay off soon. Don't quit now, you've got us all warmed up."

119 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:15:33pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Question on Entitlement Reform and what the candidates would propose.

Gingrich talks Social Security reform. He's doing fairly well, and praising the Social Security system used in Chile.

To be fair, after Pinochet there were a lot fewer people to be insured.

120 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:15:44pm

re: #115 JasonA

If can look at Chile as an exemplar for Social Security, can we look at Britain as one for healthcare?

Eh no. Please don't. It's not that good. Look at the French or German systems if you have to.

121 zora  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:16:30pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

so sarah isn't the only one.

122 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:16:42pm

re: #120 HAL2010

Eh no. Please don't. It's not that good. Look at the French or German systems if you have to.

It was a trick question. You failed!

123 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:16:50pm

CHINA!!CHINA!!CHINA!!CHINA!!CHINA!!CHINA!!CHINA!!CHINA!!

Be afraid, be very afraid.

124 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:16:59pm

Do we put in the Chilean model after or before the Air Force rockets the White House?

125 Robert O.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:17:12pm

I second all the other comments about "Israel = Greatest ally" being grossly offensive. Yes, I strongly support Israel's right to exist in peace with its neighbors. Yes, I believe the US has a duty to protect Israel. But "greatest ally"? That is an insult to the British, Australians and Canadians who have laid down their lives fighting on the same said of nearly every war the US finds itself - in wars that may often be widely seen as unjustified in which they are often our ONLY allies!

126 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:17:12pm

re: #120 HAL2010

I thought all you Europeans complained about your respective NHS and liked the ones of the other countries?

127 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:17:23pm

re: #111 jaunte

At the age of 14, the questioner's favorite book was Atlas Shrugged.

I recall reading something from a divinity student that if you took the Satanic Bible and cut out the references to the devil, you would end up with a pretty good description of Ayn Rand Objectivist philosophy.

128 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:17:23pm

Again, anyone remember how I can tweet one of your comments?

129 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:17:52pm

re: #121 zora

so sarah isn't the only one.

Sarah and Rick are very similar I've found.

130 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:18:06pm

Bachmann Dystopia 2012

131 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:18:15pm

I think Blitzer is fucking with us, he just said "stay with us for more though questions ...."

Oh Blitzer, how you jest!

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:18:32pm

I presume Perry would support the Texas Chile model...

133 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:18:44pm

re: #123 freetoken

"After the break, we'll find out how China threatens our southern border."

134 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:18:44pm

re: #120 HAL2010

Eh no. Please don't. It's not that good. Look at the French or German systems if you have to.

Not having this discussion again.

But - the British system has always been fine by me and my family, with the only issues we have had being the same faced by patients in every system.

135 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:19:02pm

re: #111 jaunte

At the age of 14, the questioner's favorite book was Atlas Shrugged.

Now remembering this little piece of humour.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

Makes me laugh every time.

136 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:19:05pm

On an unrelated note, anyone know what kind of dog this is?

137 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:19:55pm

Wolf Blitzer...still has that 700 Club feel to him after all these years.

138 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:05pm

re: #136 Altermite

On an unrelated note, anyone know what kind of dog this is?

Suspicious looking.

139 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:17pm

They are such a myopic group. I think Huntsman has been the only person so far to mention "friends" and "allies".

The others are part of the US against THE WORLD mind-trap.

140 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:29pm

The Chilean experience with social security privatization gives much reason for pause. Major concerns include: the high cost of transition to a privatized system, exorbitant pension fund management fees, non-participation in the scheme, the effects on low/middle-income workers and women, and the vulnerability of workers to market risk.

just for starters

141 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:29pm

re: #138 Charleston Chew

That, and a mutt.

142 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:29pm

re: #134 wozzablog

Not having this discussion again.

But - the British system has always been fine by me and my family, with the only issues we have had being the same faced by patients in every system.

The quality of the service is ok by European standards, the waiting lists are a joke and people die by entering dirty hospitals.

It is not a model to emulate. Hell, the Swedish one is far better.

143 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:29pm

re: #130 Major Tom

Bachmann Dystopia 2012

Great concept for a sci fi Japanese animai movie. Just add cool robot drones with gatling guns and hot chicks with Glock forties.

144 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:29pm

I want someone to talk about privatization/investing in the market that the GOP is crashing. No one will do it, and these lame ass "reporters" will never call them on it, now, when it matters.

145 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:41pm

Blitzer shows a live shot of Tahir Square. Anyone care to come up with a caption for that?

146 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:20:53pm

re: #136 Altermite

On an unrelated note, anyone know what kind of dog this is?

Beagle?

147 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:21:09pm

re: #111 jaunte

I just don't believe it. I tried to read that monstrosity, and didn't make it to pg 100 -- at 34.
Now i use it as a door stop.

148 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:21:18pm

re: #136 Altermite

On an unrelated note, anyone know what kind of dog this is?

Yes. A white and brown one.

149 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:21:27pm

re: #136 Altermite

On an unrelated note, anyone know what kind of dog this is?

looks a bit like mine, mine is a rhodesian lab mix, and she's 85 lbs.

150 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:21:38pm

re: #132 oaktree

I presume Perry would support the Texas Chile model...

Needs more pepper spray.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:22:03pm

re: #132 oaktree

I presume Perry would support the Texas Chile model...

Would that be piloted through the RISTRA program?

152 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:22:42pm

Question received via e-mail: "If you were President, which candidate on stage would you make your Sec. of Defense and why?"

I would make Mitt Romney my Secretary of Defense, because he's always on de fence.

153 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:22:50pm

re: #142 HAL2010

The quality of the service is ok by European standards, the waiting lists are a joke and people die by entering dirty hospitals.

It is not a model to emulate. Hell, the Swedish one is far better.

The management is horrific - but but the "single payer treatment for all" ideal is not at fault for the short comings.

154 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:22:50pm

CNN airs an anti-EPA ad. Fuckers.

155 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:22:50pm

I wonder how Gingrich would do on one of those psych tests by which they can detect sociopathy. Newt's ability to deceive seems to come so naturally that it is scary.

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:23:08pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

I'm trying.

I'm sorry I just have way too much good music at my disposal to listen to this farce :D

157 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:23:21pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

I want someone to talk about privatization/investing in the market that the GOP is crashing. No one will do it, and these lame ass "reporters" will never call them on it, now, when it matters.

The GOP isn't crashing it. That's just partisan BS from the Dems.

158 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:23:31pm

re: #154 darthstar

CNN airs an anti-EPA ad. Fuckers.

Heh, it's an AEI/Heritage debate.

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:23:38pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Blitzer shows a live shot of Tahir Square. Anyone care to come up with a caption for that?

"It could happen in Baltimore."

160 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:23:58pm

Oh, wow...another average American - the EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MOTHERFUCKING HERITAGE FOUNDATION! Fuck you, CNN. Heritage could afford to fill the Superdome with plants like this.

161 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:24:06pm

Monroe Doctrine? Really?

162 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:24:35pm

re: #160 darthstar

Oh, wow...another average American - the EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MOTHERFUCKING HERITAGE FOUNDATION! Fuck you, CNN. Heritage could afford to fill the Superdome with plants like this.

This entire debate is a plant.

163 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:24:41pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The GOP isn't crashing it. That's just partisan BS from the Dems.

omg

164 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:24:52pm

re: #154 darthstar

CNN airs an anti-EPA ad. Fuckers.

It's a business, not a church. The days of Edward R. Murrow are long gone. TV news networks exist to turn a profit, so you give the audience for a particular program what they want.

165 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:24:53pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Blitzer shows a live shot of Tahir Square. Anyone care to come up with a caption for that?

I'll bet there are good deals on rugs.

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:24:59pm

re: #160 darthstar

Oh, wow...another average American - the EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MOTHERFUCKING HERITAGE FOUNDATION! Fuck you, CNN. Heritage could afford to fill the Superdome with plants like this.

It turns out the game is always rigged, always :D


I'm gonna go play guitar now, at least that's something I have control over

167 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:25:00pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The GOP isn't crashing it. That's just partisan BS from the Dems.

How's your 201(k)?

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:25:23pm

re: #140 engineer dog

The Chilean experience with social security privatization gives much reason for pause. Major concerns include: the high cost of transition to a privatized system, exorbitant pension fund management fees, non-participation in the scheme, the effects on low/middle-income workers and women, and the vulnerability of workers to market risk.

just for starters

The first two look like a blank check for the financial institutions who get their hands on the funds the federal govt will collect for them. And recent history has shown that they appear to not care much about the other two items on the list.

169 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:25:26pm

.re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The GOP isn't crashing it. That's just partisan BS from the Dems.

Says Mr. GOP

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:25:28pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

omg

one day he might understand :)

171 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:25:40pm

re: #160 darthstar

Oh, wow...another average American - the EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MOTHERFUCKING HERITAGE FOUNDATION! Fuck you, CNN. Heritage could afford to fill the Superdome with plants like this.

It's a sea of white out there.

172 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:02pm

The thing about the Drug War is that while I can understand legalizing marijuana, a lot of the anti-Drug Wars people seem to think legalizing cocaine, heroin, and that stuff is perfectly fine because OMG FREE MARKET! And those things should remain banned.

173 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:15pm

re: #171 BongCrodny

It's a sea of white out there.

hair or skin?

174 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:18pm

re: #161 JasonA

Monroe Doctrine? Really?

Making South America safe for US sugar and fruit companies for one hundred years!

175 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:28pm

RON PAUL LOVES POOR PEOPLE.

176 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:32pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

How's your 201(k)?

I don't have one. Don't ask more out of me on that sort of topic.

177 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:36pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

It's a business, not a church. The days of Edward R. Murrow are long gone. TV news networks exist to turn a profit, so you give the audience for a particular program what they want.

I'll take that defense to mean that you aren't offended by an ad calling for the EPA to be gutted.

178 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:37pm

Ron Paul!

179 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:26:49pm

re: #153 wozzablog

The management is horrific - but but the "single payer treatment for all" ideal is not at fault for the short comings.

We have a single payer system here in Canada and I've never had any problems with it. Always there when I need it and good service as well.

180 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:18pm

Chile’s Social Security failure
Privatization by bayonet

Margarita Espinosa, a clerk at a Santiago public hospital, had to open a private investment account to save for her retire- ment after Chile's military government privatized social security in the Andean country nearly 25 years ago. “The old system was much better in my opinion,” Espinosa said. “I had no choice. I had to be in the new system.”

As governments dismantle their public pension systems worldwide, retirees who are struggling to get by with shriveled benefits have a South American military dictator to thank.

Without having to worry about democratic debate, Gen. Augusto Pinochet of Chile pioneered the global movement to privatize social security nearly 25 years ago when his military regime imposed a retirement system based on individual investment accounts.

President Bush speaks glowingly about the Chilean experience as he campaigns to turn the Social Security system in the United States into private accounts. But for Americans considering whether to replace their guaranteed, inflation-proof Social Security retirement benefits with accounts subject to the uncertainties of the stock market, the checkered record of Chile’s private accounts is a danger sign.

“The changes in Social Security there have hurt many people I know, including my parents, relatives and friends,” said Juan Fernández, president of Amalgamated Professional Employees Local 154, a native of Chile.

With personal knowledge of the harm that privatization has done to working people in Chile, Fernández is alarmed about Bush’s plan to take a lesson from Pinochet, whose government slaughtered and tortured thousands of political opponents and other innocent
...
Plunged into poverty
Today, workers need $20,000 in their accounts to get the minimum pension — now about $100 a month. Most individual accounts only have $5,000, according to the Santiago-based Economy of Work Program (PET).

Dagoberto Saez, a 66-year-old worker in Santiago, told the New York Times earlier this year that he expected his monthly income to drop from the $950 salary he received as a laboratory technician to $315 from his private account when he retired in March.

“Colleagues and friends with the same pay grade who stayed in the old system, people who work right alongside me, are retiring with pensions of almost $700 a month until they die,” he said. “I have a salary that allows me to live with dignity, and all of a sudden I am going to be plunged into poverty, all because I made the mistake of believing the promises they made to us back in 1981.”

Originally, the Chilean government claimed that with private accounts, workers’ retirement benefits would be 70 percent of their salary. In fact, studies show they will get only 40 percent. “The earnings are insufficient to provide people with a dignified pension,” PET Director Carmen Espinoza told PEP.

this article was written before 2008, when the financial crisis dropped the bottom out of what was left of chile's social security privitization scheme

181 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:18pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The GOP isn't crashing it. That's just partisan BS from the Dems.

Did you read the S&P's report? They name Congressional Republicans as the reason for the downgrade.

182 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:28pm

I had a kidney stone in Japan, and the medical system was great. A lot better than in the US.

183 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:47pm

re: #153 wozzablog

The management is horrific - but but the "single payer treatment for all" ideal is not at fault for the short comings.

Well I disagree.

NICE is to a large extent actually a "death panel" to many in England with cancer.

Like I said, the French and German systems are better, and less centralized.

184 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:54pm

Perry looking at Paul as Paul mentions alcohol is a deadly drug... priceless.

185 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:55pm

re: #146 JasonA

Beagle?

Yeah, I thought that too. Turns out that at 3 months, its 32 ibs.

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:27:58pm

How many flipping debates are there going to be?

At what point to they become Masterdebaters?

Why can't they stop? What fucking ideas are coming out of debate number 467 that we couldn't have heard of by debate... say 3?

Must be some serious frickin' money in these debates.

187 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:28:19pm

re: #179 Romantic Heretic

We have a single payer system here in Canada and I've never had any problems with it. Always there when I need it and good service as well.

I'm from the US and I also have single payer healthcare. Unfortunately, it's me.

188 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:28:34pm

Cain: "We know that terrorists have come into this country by way of Mexico." We do?

189 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:28:35pm

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many flipping debates are there going to be?

At what point to they become Masterdebaters?

Why can't they stop. What fucking ideas are coming out of debate number 467 that we couldn't have heard of by debate... say 3?

Must be some serious frickin' money in these debates.

I think there are 11 left...

190 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:28:37pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Hey, you sell seats to defense contractor conventions...this debate has to be giving you a raging fuckin' hard-on right now. Enjoy!

191 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:28:51pm

re: #188 Charles

Cain: "We know that terrorists have come into this country by way of Mexico." We do?

He said it. It must be so.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:28:54pm

re: #171 BongCrodny

Don't be hatin'. I'm a white guy.

193 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:29:05pm

re: #177 darthstar

I'll take that defense to mean that you aren't offended by an ad calling for the EPA to be gutted.

No, I'm not. It's virtually impossible to offend me with a TV ad.

Cain talks of a "path to citizenship". Interesting, and not really surprising from a business figure like him.

194 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:29:10pm

re: #188 Charles

Cain: "We know that terrorists have come into this country by way of Mexico." We do?

Well, just look at 'em!
//

195 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:29:12pm

re: #188 Charles

Cain: "We know that terrorists have come into this country by way of Mexico." We do?

Illegals, terrorists .. meh

*shrugs*

196 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:29:51pm

re: #189 JasonA

I think there are 11 left...

I looked at the schedule a while back and counted 26 in total.

197 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:29:56pm

Santorum will restore the trickle.

198 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:30:27pm

re: #136 Altermite

On an unrelated note, anyone know what kind of dog this is?

Maybe Boxer and Pit Bull?

199 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:30:38pm

re: #197 jaunte

Santorum will restore the trickle.

The frothy mixture doesn't trickle...it seeps.

200 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:30:54pm

re: #197 jaunte

Santorum will restore the trickle.

That might be the dirtiest thing you can say on LGF without getting the comment deleted.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:04pm

re: #188 Charles

Cain: "We know that terrorists have come into this country by way of Mexico." We do?

Yes. Remember the Farsi-tattooed guys in jail in California? The ones who get away with it because prison guards in California have no idea what a Mexican accent is supposed to sound like?

//

202 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:08pm

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't be hatin'. I'm a white guy.

Me, too. I have to spend hours in the sun just to get to white.

Not hatin', just observin'.

203 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:23pm

re: #198 prairiefire

Maybe Boxer and Pit Bull?

Leopard print couch...the dog's a tramp.

204 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:40pm

re: #190 darthstar

Hey, you sell seats to defense contractor conventions...this debate has to be giving you a raging fuckin' hard-on right now. Enjoy!

Most of the seats I sell are to DoD personnel. Solution providers actually are a minority at the events I work on. Get your facts straight!

205 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:46pm

Umm... Newt, Einstein was fleeing Nazi Germany.

206 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:49pm

Einstein was a Jew in Nazi Germany.

207 zora  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:31:53pm

re: #188 Charles

Cain: "We know that terrorists have come into this country by way of Mexico." We do?

it's a conservative talk radio secret. if cain gets elected, he will tell all.

208 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:01pm

Newt making .. sense?

What is this devilry?

209 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:10pm

I think if I look at this through the hard core GOP lens Newt's come off pretty well tonight.

210 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:19pm

Gingrich has to be a serious sociopath. No one else could lie so easily.

211 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:21pm

re: #206 Charleston Chew

He just wanted to say Einstein while he was on camera.

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:25pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Most of the seats I sell are to DoD personnel. Solution providers actually are a minority at the events I work on. Get your facts straight!

awesome

213 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:33pm

re: #205 freetoken

Umm... Newt, Einstein was fleeing Nazi Germany.

HISTORIAN.

214 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:32:42pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Most of the seats I sell are to DoD personnel. Solution providers actually are a minority at the events I work on. Get your facts straight!

Solution providers = Lobbyists. DoD personnel are the mark. It explains a lot, really.

215 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:33:14pm

what company needs 30,000 engineers?

216 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:33:20pm

re: #205 freetoken

Umm... Newt, Einstein was fleeing Nazi Germany.

The stick to America's carrot.re: #206 Charleston Chew

Einstein was a Jew in Nazi Germany.

Or maybe he wan't Jewish. I misremember.

217 Robert O.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:33:23pm

re: #194 darthstar

Well, just look at 'em!
//

Ha ha! A follow up question to Cain would be, should we invade Mexico? [I know some people sitting in that audience can hardly control themselves even thinking about it]

Oh well. I don't think I can be bothered with any more of this...

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:33:50pm

re: #205 freetoken

Umm... Newt, Einstein was fleeing Nazi Germany.

What the fuck did Newt say about Einstein?

219 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:33:56pm

Newts larger point was valid, you need to make the US more welcoming for skilled workers. Even if his point about Einstein was rather dumb for someone with a phd in History.

220 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:33:56pm

re: #203 darthstar

Leopard print couch...the dog's a tramp.

It has an intelligent look in it's eye.

221 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:34:08pm

re: #205 freetoken

Umm... Newt, Einstein was fleeing Nazi Germany.

nah, everybody knows he was fleeing high taxes, right?

222 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:34:13pm

If they weren't part of a local church would they be forced to leave, Newt?

223 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:34:16pm

Jobs used Chinese workers because they cost but a fraction of US workers.

224 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:34:30pm

"If they're not in a church, you can go ahead and get rid of 'em."

225 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:34:30pm

And wow, Gingrich is kind of sane.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:03pm

re: #216 Charleston Chew

The stick to America's carrot.re: #206 Charleston Chew

Or maybe he wan't Jewish. I misremember.

Yes, he was.

227 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:11pm

re: #225 Meitantei

And wow, Gingrich is kind of sane.

That's just another lie...don't believe it for a minute.

228 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:17pm

Andrew Sullivan again:

9.30 pm. Great question from my friend Nick Schulz. A pro-immigration conservative! Santorum dodges the key issue of the number of H-1 visas. In my view, we should greatly expand highly skilled immigrants and give any graduate from graduate school get a green card with a diploma. And that means I agree fully with Newt Gingrich.

229 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:30pm

Braaaiiinnnsss.

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:31pm

re: #189 JasonA

I think there are 11 left...

getthefuckouttahere!

231 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:40pm

re: #183 HAL2010

Well I disagree.

NICE is to a large extent actually a "death panel" to many in England with cancer.

Like I said, the French and German systems are better, and less centralized.

Like I said, not having this discussion. Had it here too many times.

232 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:44pm

Romney is obviously a shill for the zombie lobby.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:48pm

re: #208 HAL2010

Newt making .. sense?

What is this devilry?

newt's more of a musician at this game :D He's been around the GOP block a few times, he got probed in an area during the Monica Lewinsky thing, bested by Clinton, probably embarrassing, left with his tail between his legs, but he's rock and roll! He's on the comeback tour! Hence the sudden finding of Jesus and hating of Queers. it's nothing personal! He just knows who the scum of the GOP base love to hate!

And one thing for Newt, he is the smart one, he's the lil' stinker. Must have infuriated him to see a fool like Perry in front of him

234 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:49pm

So, belonging to a Christian church makes one eligible for citizenship?

Theocracy, anyone?

235 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:35:52pm

re: #225 Meitantei

And wow, Gingrich is kind of sane.

If I were Mitt I'd have my guys be looking for some unfound dirt on Newt post-haste.

236 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:36:03pm

Just following your comments (gracias) But my thought is these media folks NEED their moment to be relevant. Why the fuck do they not drop the question heard around the world?

Chickenshits, 1% paid by 1%, DISHONEST FOR THE BUCKS.

237 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:36:14pm

re: #223 freetoken

Jobs used Chinese workers because they cost but a fraction of US workers.

And their retirement plan involves jumping from the windows of Apple contrractors.

238 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:36:17pm

re: #94 HAL2010

Perry does not control the national guard of Texas.

Old canard, busted when Palin said the same thing.

Well, he does when they are deployed within the state. Disasters and such. But not when they are deployed out of state.

239 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:36:26pm

Mitt has a rabbit-in-the-headlights look right now...he feels like he lost control of this debate...the thing is, nobody gives a fuck...you're the nominee you lying piece of shit.

240 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:36:42pm

re: #234 freetoken

So, belonging to a Christian church makes one eligible for citizenship?

Theocracy, anyone?

Agnostic immigrants must go!

241 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:37:22pm

Mitt: "This is a party that LOVES legal immigration!" Excuse me while I guffaw loudly.

242 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:37:29pm
243 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:37:30pm

re: #233 WindUpBird

Newt is many things, but smart is not one word I would use to describe him.
I find that 90 % of what he says is quite simply dumb.

Even a broken clock ...

244 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:37:31pm

re: #240 JasonA

Agnostic immigrants must go!

And muslims? Well, they're terrorists anyway...

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:37:54pm

"as a mormon, I immigrated here from Mormonistan."

246 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:38:16pm

re: #243 HAL2010

Newt is many things, but smart is not one word I would use to describe him.
I find that 90 % of what he says is quite simply dumb.

Even a broken clock ...

And yet he is billed as the smartest man on stage.

247 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:38:21pm

Magnets.

~~SWOON~~

248 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:38:21pm

Bring us your Swedes, your Irish, your Norse...

249 zora  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:38:30pm

re: #234 freetoken

how else will they know if you are a good person?

250 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:38:34pm

Perry: "Stop those magnets!"

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:06pm

re: #243 HAL2010

Newt is many things, but smart is not one word I would use to describe him.
I find that 90 % of what he says is quite simply dumb.

Even a broken clock ...

compared to the rest of the clowns up there? he's a genius! Except for Ron Paul, who is a very bright, internally consistent klansman :D

252 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:06pm

Does Mitt have a bad temper? Seems like he does....

253 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:06pm

re: #247 BongCrodny

Magnets.

YOU CAN'T 'SPLAIN THAT!!

254 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:06pm

re: #246 darthstar

And yet he is billed as the smartest man on stage.

And that says quite a lot really...

Huntsman is my guy on that stage.

In 2016.

255 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:10pm

re: #244 freetoken

And muslims? Well, they're terrorists anyway...

Wait, how do we tell if Indian immigrants are Christian, Hindu or Muslim, anyway?

256 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:22pm

re: #248 jaunte

Bring us your Swedes, your Irish, your Norse...

We'll take the * and the * but we WON'T TAKE THE IRISH!

/Blazing Saddles

257 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:39:44pm

And the last thing Perry wants to do is exercise the intellect.

258 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:01pm

re: #214 darthstar

Solution providers = Lobbyists. DoD personnel are the mark. It explains a lot, really.

Bullshit. The scientific people who design body armor for our troops are not lobbyists, and several of them will be at an event in DC in a couple weeks. And to call DoD personnel who come to a conference to learn better ways to design helmets to prevent brain injury "marks" is both hateful and foolish.

259 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:07pm

re: #252 OhNoZombies!

Does Mitt have a bad temper? Seems like he does...

Mitt's a very cranky guy.

260 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:18pm

Mitt , they have that now it's called a green card.

261 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:18pm

re: #252 OhNoZombies!

Does Mitt have a bad temper? Seems like he does...

Annoyed that some people are questioning his birthright nomination.

262 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:18pm

re: #254 HAL2010

And that says quite a lot really...

Huntsman is my guy on that stage.

IN 2016.

Warren and Franken will clean his clock.

263 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:18pm

re: #248 jaunte

Bring us your Swedes, your Irish, your Norse...

No Irish need apply.

264 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:24pm

re: #248 jaunte

Bring us your Swedes, your Irish, your Norse...

Image: tumblr_lmdjmv53Oy1qji6dpo1_500.jpg

Sweden!

265 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:37pm

re: #254 HAL2010

And that says quite a lot really...

Huntsman is my guy on that stage.

In 2016.

Me too...if he switches parties in 2012 and drops a few crazy ideas.

266 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:41pm

re: #253 freetoken

YOU CAN'T 'SPLAIN THAT!!

Magnets defy gravity! Look at thing justa floatin' above that other one! Can't be explained!

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:40:54pm

re: #250 Charles

Perry: "Stop those magnets!"

268 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:07pm

Damn that Flash... I suspect CNN has it set up so every 15 minutes they want to run a commercial.

269 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:07pm

re: #264 HAL2010

Image: tumblr_lmdjmv53Oy1qji6dpo1_500.jpg

Sweden!

Okay, that was pretty awesome.

270 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:07pm

Mitt talking about bringing people in to power our industries makes him sound even more like an agent from The Matrix.

271 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:26pm

re: #255 JasonA

Wait, how do we tell if Indian immigrants are Christian, Hindu or Muslim, anyway?

Well, if they float on water...

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:35pm

re: #234 freetoken

So, belonging to a Christian church makes one eligible for citizenship?

Theocracy, anyone?

Um, leaving the difficulty involved in the whole theocracy thing aside, I live just south of Richmond, CA.

Above a certain point, San Pablo Avenue is absolutely chock-a-block with small storefront churches with flowery evangelical names in Spanish. These churches are stuffed with worshippers who would love to be eligible for citizenship.

Is that actually what Newt meant to say? If Newt's offering, trust me, these folks are interested.

273 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:40pm

re: #259 Charles

Mitt's a very cranky guy.

Mitt doesn't like losing control of the spotlight. Ron Paul dominated the first hour by pointing out how stupid everyone else was being with their jingoistic "War! War! War!" battle cries.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:41:58pm

re: #257 freetoken

And the last thing Perry wants to do is exercise the intellect.

I stare into space and fulfill cartoonish stereotypes about Texas. Rick Perry Yo!

275 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:42:17pm

easy - suck out the brainz we want and put them into certified acceptably american-type people

276 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:42:27pm

re: #269 JasonA

Okay, that was pretty awesome.

See thats just how we roll in motherfuckin' Sweden. We don't need no hybrids either, we got polar bears with ice skates!

Just kidding.

We have brown bears.

277 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:42:38pm

re: #264 HAL2010

Image: tumblr_lmdjmv53Oy1qji6dpo1_500.jpg

Sweden!

Ha! Love it!

278 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:42:38pm

re: #273 darthstar

Says the raging leftie.

279 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:43:07pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

Newt is appealing to the crowd that wants the GOP to be the Party of God (hmmm... I wonder what the Persians or Arabs would call that...)

280 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:43:39pm

re: #259 Charles

He doesn't hide it very well...

281 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:44:08pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

Warren and Franken will clean his clock.

Warren v Huntsman would be a good race. She has more personality, but they are both wonks and it'd be a good race.

282 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:44:21pm

re: #254 HAL2010

And that says quite a lot really...

Huntsman is my guy on that stage.

In 2016.

He's a bit too backwards-looking for me, but at least I wouldn't be embarrassed to see his name on the ballot as the other party's representative.

283 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:44:34pm

re: #279 freetoken

Newt is appealing to the crowd that wants the GOP to be the Party of God (hmmm... I wonder what the Persians or Arabs would call that...)

I could use a little more Warhammer in my life

284 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:45:04pm

Jesus H Christ.

How many VP's does Heritage have?

285 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:45:25pm

Stop buying oil from Syria?

286 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:45:46pm

Please say 999, Herman...

287 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:45:58pm

re: #282 BongCrodny

He's a bit too backwards-looking for me, but at least I wouldn't be embarrassed to see his name on the ballot as the other party's representative.

He's an intelligent guy, which is why I was surprised that he was running this time around.

288 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:08pm

re: #283 WindUpBird

I could use a little more Warhammer in my life

The Emperor protects. Praise him!

289 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:08pm

re: #284 HAL2010

Jesus H Christ.

How many VP's does Heritage have?

I was just thinking that, too.

290 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:11pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Says the well-endowed raging leftie.

Yes.

291 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:14pm

re: #284 HAL2010

How many VP's does Heritage have?

As many as the monied givers need.

292 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:27pm

The last "debate" question came from Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, current VP of Heritage.

What a circle jerk.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:38pm

re: #282 BongCrodny

He's a bit too backwards-looking for me, but at least I wouldn't be embarrassed to see his name on the ballot as the other party's representative.

I probably wouldn't photoshop his face on the front of the gremlinfaced semi from Maximum Overdrive


probably.

294 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:48pm

re: #291 freetoken

As many as the monied givers need.

Wingnut Welfare.

295 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:46:54pm
Last night on Fox News, Rick Perry did a "Center Seat" interview with the Special Report panel, and became the first presidential candidate to endorse a no-fly zone in Syria. Byron York recounts the exchange:
296 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:47:22pm

re: #284 HAL2010

Jesus H Christ.

How many VP's does Heritage have?

They're like Al Qaeda #2s...

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:47:46pm

re: #279 freetoken

Newt is appealing to the crowd that wants the GOP to be the Party of God (hmmm... I wonder what the Persians or Arabs would call that...)

Dang, it's on the tip of my tongue. Hezb...Hezb...heck, I can't remember.

298 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:48:08pm

I mean, does Heritage do any research?

Or does it consists of a bunch of old VP's sitting around and laughing their ass off as they collect monies to lobby Washington with?

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:48:08pm

re: #281 wozzablog

Warren v Huntsman would be a good race. She has more personality, but their both wonks and it'd be a good race.

Oh. Imagine a world in which...

300 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:48:20pm

Huntsman always sounds like he's lecturing.

301 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:48:35pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Dang, it's on the tip of my tongue. Hezb...Hezb...heck, I can't remember.

Who cares about what they call it in Uzbekibekibekistanstan?

302 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:48:57pm

Technical point - the centrifuges do not "spin".

303 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:08pm

Never mind all that oil in those other countries, Jon.

304 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:17pm

re: #292 Charles

The last "debate" question came from Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, current VP of Heritage.

What a circle jerk.

They need to cut out the middle men.

Wolf:"Let's go to the audience."

"Hi, my name's Mitt Romney, and I have a question for Mitt Romney. Mitt, don't you think it's unfair to everyone else that you're so awesome?"

305 Altermite  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:25pm

re: #300 BongCrodny

Huntsman always sounds like he's lecturing.

I'm okay with that. Better than frothing.

306 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:34pm

re: #298 HAL2010

I mean, does Heritage do any research?

Yep...they know exactly how much it will cost to buy every congressman they need.

307 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:34pm

re: #288 celticdragon

The Emperor protects. Praise him!

Will it be Bachmann who bestows the Chaos Gifts??!?

308 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:34pm

re: #302 freetoken

Technical point - the centrifuges do not "spin".

How do they work?

309 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:49:45pm

It is interesting to see the faces behind parts of the right wing machine, though. They're the ones asking questions.

310 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:50:25pm

re: #309 Charles

It is interesting to see the faces behind parts of the right wing machine, though. They're the ones asking questions.

But they are only the faces. They live off of money given to their institutions.

311 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:50:33pm

re: #307 WindUpBird

Will it be Bachmann who bestows the Chaos Gifts??!?

She's got the eyes to be a Daemon Princess.

312 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:50:49pm

Cain's just ignorant on foreign policy. Paul's just a complete fool. There's a difference.

313 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:50:50pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. Imagine a world in which...

I *heart* Elizabeth Warren.

Honestly, Huntsman up there and not polling more than low single digits is, I don't know, I ran out of words to describe the insanity that provides the GOP base.

314 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:51:15pm

re: #309 Charles

It is interesting to see the faces behind parts of the right wing machine, though. They're the ones asking questions.

A modern party needs a "deep apparatus". It's not a bad thing.

315 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:51:22pm

Abe Simpson for President!

316 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:51:33pm

Ron Paul just got tired and reached for a sweater.

317 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:51:34pm

re: #312 Meitantei

Cain's just ignorant on foreign policy. Paul's just a complete fool. There's a difference.

And Bachmann sits on the Intelligence Committee.

I think we've got a trifecta here.

318 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:51:35pm

Blitzers next question:

"So how comfortable are you with taking questions from a whole bunch of war criminals tonight? Anyone, anyone at all?"

319 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:05pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

A modern party needs a "deep apparatus". It's not a bad thing.

That's what she said.

Rimshot!

320 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:15pm

The schism between the Ron Paul libertarian far right and the social conservative far right couldn't be any clearer than it is tonight.

321 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:27pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

A modern party needs a "deep apparatus". It's not a bad thing.

The Republican party is modern?

322 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:27pm

re: #313 wozzablog

I *heart* Elizabeth Warren.

Honestly, Huntsman up there and not polling more than low single digits is. I don't know, I ran out of words to describe the insanity that provides the GOP base.

there needs to be a generation shift, I think

323 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:27pm

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many flipping debates are there going to be?

At what point to they become Masterdebaters?

Why can't they stop? What fucking ideas are coming out of debate number 467 that we couldn't have heard of by debate... say 3?

Must be some serious frickin' money in these debates.

There is. This is reality TV entertainment for the target audience. Seriously, I'm not doing an 'AmIdol politics' rant - this is actual reality TV entertainment. That's all it is. Not governing, not politics - just reality TV, because FOX has demonstrated that there is a huge amount of money in marketing political porn to a certain market segment.

324 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:31pm

Mitt - Nationalism on crack.

325 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:53pm

If we're strong people will stop trying to hurt us? Sooo we haven't been strong for the last twenty years?

326 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:52:59pm

re: #321 recusancy

The Republican party is modern?

In geological terms, yes.

327 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:53:11pm

Oh God Mitt.

I have never heard so much dumb in just one sentence.

"There are no countries with common interests!"

Really Mitt, REALLY?

328 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:53:18pm

Do you know what's wrong with covert action? It stops being covert when you freakn' talk about it.

329 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:54:25pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

Okay, Dark...who won the debate tonight? I need an expert opinion from someone who thinks like these fuckers...I can't understand why anyone would like any of them...for anything.

330 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:54:35pm

re: #327 HAL2010

Oh God Mitt.

I have never heard so much dumb in just one sentence.

"There are no countries with common interests!"

Really Mitt, REALLY?

So, Mitt. If you were President during WWII, would you have just told England to fuck off?

331 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:54:57pm

...

332 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:05pm

Tyson Foods is doing just great in Venezuela, Rick.

333 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:13pm

re: #319 darthstar

That's what she said.

Rimshot!

[smiles]

334 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:13pm

re: #326 darthstar

In geological terms, yes.

i think newt speaks with a distinct cretaceous accent, though...

335 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:28pm

re: #329 darthstar

Okay, Dark...who won the debate tonight? I need an expert opinion from someone who thinks like these fuckers...I can't understand why anyone would like any of them...for anything.

I think the win goes to Newt. My gut speaketh.

336 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:33pm

Santorum is concerned that radical Islam and socialism will join hands in South America.

Rick, exit left, the men in the doctors suits are there to look after you.

337 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:44pm

re: #329 darthstar

As someone who is somewhat more conservative than most LGF people ( and who respects DF), I'd say Gingrich. There's now a more than 0% chance I would vote for him, which is well more than it was at the start.

338 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:55:53pm

re: #329 darthstar

I don't care for your tone.

339 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:56:06pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

A modern party needs a "deep apparatus". It's not a bad thing.

A modern party also needs an intelligent forward thinking stance on civil rights issues rather than clinging to the bigotries of yesterday.

(Puts on Groucho Marx glasses +Mustache + Cigar) But let's work with what with what we have.

By which I mean you're free to work with what you have, they're not my party.

340 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:56:50pm

re: #337 Meitantei

As someone who is somewhat more conservative than most LGF people ( and who respects DF), I'd say Gingrich. There's now a more than 0% chance I would vote for him, which is well more than it was at the start.

He spoke well, and didn't get hit hard.

341 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:57:11pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

I don't care for your tone.

Okay...someone who understands these fuckers...not that you necessarily think like them...you've never said 9-9-9 for example...

342 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:57:26pm

China not a country of virtue due to the number of abortions according to Perry.

Oh by the way, the US has about 3 times the number of teen pregnancies than Sweden.

343 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:57:37pm

The question was... what do you worry about that hasn't been asked so far. So most of them go ahead and repeat the previous topics.

344 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:57:37pm

Cain's knowledge of ballistics makes him concerned about cyber attacks? I guess he means people shooting their computers.

345 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:57:48pm

re: #339 jamesfirecat

A modern party also needs an intelligent forward thinking stance on civil rights issues rather than clinging to the bigotries of yesterday.

(Puts on Groucho Marx glasses +Mustache + Cigar) But let's work with what with what we have.

By which I mean you're free to work with what you have, they're not my party.

[Dark_Falcon hits jamesfirecat in the face with an apply pie]

346 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:05pm

re: #337 Meitantei

As someone who is somewhat more conservative than most LGF people ( and who respects DF), I'd say Gingrich. There's now a more than 0% chance I would vote for him, which is well more than it was at the start.

What about the fact that he's a serial adulterer? Granted, he marries his victims, but still, he's not a moral character...is that not important?

347 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:10pm

Newt: "Be afraid, be very afraid".

348 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:16pm

What does "give the peace away in Iraq" mean?

349 Kragar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:30pm

re: #344 Charleston Chew

Cain's knowledge of ballistics makes him concerned about cyber attacks? I guess he means people shooting their computers.

He's just throwing words together nowadays.

350 dragonath  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:31pm

re: #334 engineer dog

i think newt speaks with a distinct cretinous accent, though...

ftfy

351 JAFO  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:33pm

We're bringing terrorists here!

352 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:58:50pm

re: #344 Charleston Chew

Cain's knowledge of ballistics makes him concerned about cyber attacks? I guess he means people shooting their computers.

He's a computer scientist. That's actually legit.

353 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:05pm

Thank god...it's over.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:10pm

re: #341 darthstar

Okay...someone who understands these fuckers...not that you necessarily think like them...you've never said 9-9-9 for example...

Outside of German class.

355 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:16pm

re: #348 jaunte

What does "give the peace away in Iraq" mean?

I thought she meant that we were going back to war with them or something...

356 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:16pm

Cain is actually correct, cyber war and cyber terrorism and industrial espionage are massive issues that need to be addressed.

I would wager his answer was a fluke though...

357 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:21pm

re: #348 jaunte

What does "give the peace away in Iraq" mean?

She doesn't know that Bush signed the papers with the withdrawal date.

358 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:37pm

re: #351 mracb

We're bringing terrorists here!

They're taking our terrorists' jobs!!1!

359 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:43pm

Anyone else thinks it's a bit fucked up when CNN refers to the American Enterprise Institute as its "partner"?

360 darthstar  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:43pm

Okay...internet break time.

361 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:48pm

re: #346 darthstar

What about the fact that he's a serial adulterer? Granted, he marries his victims, but still, he's not a moral character...is that not important?

It's way less important to me than the fact that he thinks a President can say 'no returns' to the Supreme Court.

Or, more accurately, that he thinks so little of voters that making up things like that is just fine.

362 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 6:59:56pm

oh, cain was a "computer scientist" early in his career?

did he research and design algorithms, then?

i have a degree in computer science, but i'm an engineer, not a scientist

After completing his master's degree from Purdue, Cain left the Department of the Navy and began working for The Coca-Cola Company in Atlanta as a computer systems analyst.

that's being a plain old computer programmer, herman, not a "computer scientist"

363 Meitantei  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:00:06pm

re: #346 darthstar

Honestly? I'll admit, the fact that he's an adulterer doesn't mean a whole lot to me. It may be morally wrong, but it's not unsurprising, and just doesn't mean a lot to me one way or another. Mitterand was a great Prime Minister, after all.

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:00:11pm

re: #344 Charleston Chew

Cain's knowledge of ballistics makes him concerned about cyber attacks? I guess he means people shooting their computers.

No, he was referring to his work in doing ballistics-modelling using computers. Herman Cain knows a great deal about computers, far more than most of the people on this board. I say "most" because there are some here who are in his league, and I am quite sure Charles knows even more than he.

365 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:00:18pm

Whoosh. Another 'debate' and no one is the wiser.

366 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:00:20pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

[Dark_Falcon hits jamesfirecat in the face with an apply pie]


Of course you realize, this means war.

367 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:00:57pm

re: #365 jaunte

Whoosh. Another 'debate' and no one is the wiser.

But, CNN got some $$$ from AEI/Heritage to run anti-EPA adverts.

368 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:01:06pm

re: #346 darthstar

What about the fact that he's a serial adulterer? Granted, he marries his victims, but still, he's not a moral character...is that not important?

I'd say it's the fact that he's married to his victims--that is, the women he leaves--that makes him a bad moral character.

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:01:26pm

re: #348 jaunte

What does "give the peace away in Iraq" mean?

I don't know. The peace of Iraq passeth understanding.

370 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:01:36pm

re: #366 jamesfirecat

Calm down you two. If these guys can, so can you!

371 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:01:42pm

Dana Loesch just called Newt "Reaganesque."

372 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:01:42pm

re: #322 WindUpBird

there needs to be a generation shift, I think

A young gun next time (don't see one much younger than Obama), I don't know who'd be out there, but '16 is a long time away

373 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:02:01pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

No, he was referring to his work in doing ballistics-modelling using computers. Herman Cain knows a great deal about computers, far more than most of the people on this board. I say "most" because there are some here who are in his league, and I am quite sure Charles knows even more than he.

lol

374 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:02:14pm

re: #357 wozzablog

She doesn't know that Bush signed the papers with the withdrawal date.

That was OK. It was when Obama gave a hard date that we screwed up.

//

375 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:02:18pm

re: #371 JasonA

Dana Loesch just called Newt "Reaganesque."

Beer Goggles?

376 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:02:26pm

re: #371 JasonA

Dana Loesch just called Newt "Reaganesque."

RR was a fair actor.

377 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:02:39pm

re: #362 engineer dog

It's a distinction most don't make. I have a Masters in Comp Sci but it was really software engineering, but I did engineering management for a living. I wished I had done a Ph.D and actually did computer science proper, but that is another story.

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:04:09pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

[Dark_Falcon hits jamesfirecat in the face with an apply pie]

ME ME ME!

379 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:04:29pm

re: #371 JasonA

Dana Loesch just called Newt "Reaganesque."

In the sense that he's old white, and sounds like he has some kind of degenerative mental condition?

(Granted the said could be same of Terry Pratchett, but I want him writing Discworld Books not running for Prime Minister)

380 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:04:34pm

This was the nuttiest debate yet, by far.

381 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:04:45pm

@BorowitzReport
BREAKING: 2012 Shaping Up Perfectly, Say Ancient Mayans #CNNDebate

382 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:04:56pm

re: #378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ME ME ME!

[DF throws a cherry pie at FVB]

383 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:04:58pm

What we learned or already knew:

1. Huntsman knows his shit on foreign policy
2. Ron Paul will always be RON PAUL
3. Perry is useless
4. Dito Cain
5. Newt actually has the capacity to show compassion
6. Mitt has a shortish temper
7. Santorum is nuts
8. Bachmann has a even nuttier, more fruity flavour than Santorum

9. Obama will fucking kill them in a foreign policy debate


This is all.

384 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:05:27pm

re: #379 jamesfirecat

That was low, James.

385 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:05:36pm

@Goldberg3000
President Obama is battling Muslim terrorists in more countries than any president in history, and these guys paint him as Marlo Thomas.

386 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:05:41pm

Tuning out, got a documentary on the history of Russian Helicopters on Discovery and a tonne of crap to do for my unemployment.

Not sleeping tonight, apparently.

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:06:42pm

re: #363 Meitantei

Honestly? I'll admit, the fact that he's an adulterer doesn't mean a whole lot to me. It may be morally wrong, but it's not unsurprising, and just doesn't mean a lot to me one way or another. Mitterand was a great Prime Minister, after all.

But did Mitterand set himself up as a judge of morality?

388 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:06:59pm

I'm out of pies. I'll have to go Baker's Square tomorrow and get more.

389 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:07:28pm

re: #362 engineer dog

oh, cain was a "computer scientist" early in his career?

did he research and design algorithms, then?

i have a degree in computer science, but i'm an engineer, not a scientist

After completing his master's degree from Purdue, Cain left the Department of the Navy and began working for The Coca-Cola Company in Atlanta as a computer systems analyst.

that's being a plain old computer programmer, herman, not a "computer scientist"

I don't think he called himself a computer scientist. I did. I just skimmed his Wiki. Thanks for the clarification.

390 TedStriker  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:07:50pm

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

[DF throws a cherry pie at FVB]

391 HAL2010  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:08:18pm

Huntsman, Newt and Obama won the debate tonight.


My brain, as my sleeping pattern, severely lost.

It is now four in the morning over here, so Goodnight everybody!

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:09:03pm

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

Thank ye.

393 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:09:15pm

re: #377 freetoken

It's a distinction most don't make. I have a Masters in Comp Sci but it was really software engineering, but I did engineering management for a living. I wished I had done a Ph.D and actually did computer science proper, but that is another story.

it irks me, though. scientists do research and find things out about the universe; engineers design things and build proof of concept prototypes. i don't like people promoting themselves with titles that they don't really deserve

i'm embarrassed enough about having the job title software engineer, which i legitimately deserve - however, when i tell that to people when asked, i often say "...meaning glorified computer programmer" so that i don't feel like i'm being pretentious

394 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:09:32pm

re: #385 jaunte

@Goldberg3000
President Obama is battling Muslim terrorists in more countries than any president in history, and these guys paint him as Marlo Thomas.

Speaking of which, my son-in-law arrived in Afghanistan today to start a 5-6 month stay.
He's already been deployed to Africa for five months earlier in the year.

395 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:10:14pm

re: #383 HAL2010

What we learned or already knew:

1. Huntsman knows his shit on foreign policy
2. Ron Paul will always be RON PAUL
3. Perry is useless
4. Dito Cain
5. Newt actually has the capacity to show compassion
6. Mitt has a shortish temper
7. Santorum is nuts
8. Bachmann has a even nuttier, more fruity flavour than Santorum

9. Obama will fucking kill them in a foreign policy debate

This is all.

It's always tough to win a foreign policy debate against a guy who's morning coffee comes with the top secret President's Daily Brief.

396 nines09  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:10:26pm

Debate? It was a Book Tour/Loon Cult promisory note. What a crying shame. The United States Of America has two major political parties and one has degressed into a One Ring Circus with lots of clowns and little else and the scary part is people will vote for these clowns.

397 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:12:00pm

re: #391 HAL2010

Huntsman, Newt and Obama won the debate tonight.

My brain, as my sleeping pattern, severely lost.

It is now four in the morning over here, so Goodnight everybody!

Night, Hal.

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:12:13pm

Gingrich: Because everyone who voted for Dole isn't dead yet

399 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:13:30pm

Nate Silver:
In the Land of the Salamanders, the Newt is King

In Mr. Gingrich’s case, however, the 48 percent who say he leads on the knowledge-and-experience dimension nearly doubles the 26 percent overall support he has in the poll. It serves as a counter-balance to other areas in which Mr. Gingrich seems weak — for instance, just 9 percent of Republicans say that he has the “strongest moral character” in the field.

400 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:13:46pm

re: #398 WindUpBird

Gingrich: Because everyone who voted for Dole isn't dead yet

Bob Dole lost the election, and Bob Dole also lost the ability to say the letter (sound of gargling) But Bob Dole hasn't lost Bob Dole's memory. Bob Dole still remembers the day that Bob Dole married Lizzy Dole and said "Bob Dole do." Before that Bob Dole proposed with a diamond that was so small it was invisible to the naked Bob Dole.

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:16:13pm

I had not previously been aware of [Link: www.dickipedia.com...]

402 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:16:49pm

re: #400 jamesfirecat

That was funny !
:-D

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:17:09pm

Just saw a funny facebook post.

"Today, I shot my first turkey. The people at Kroger were severely pissed."

404 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:17:31pm

re: #402 OhNoZombies!

That was funny !
:-D

Thanks its my standard Bob Dole joke that I use whenever Bob Dole gets mentioned and stole from the Cap Steps.

405 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:18:12pm

re: #400 jamesfirecat

Bob Dole sees Bob Dole galaxies. Bob Dole has become the ur-Bob Dole. BOB DOLE BOB DOLE PRIME! Bob Dole's logarithmic progression assures the world that all planets will become safely...but irreversibly...Bob Dole.

406 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:18:40pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

It's .org

407 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:18:47pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

I had not previously been aware of [Link: www.dickipedia.com...]

From their article on the Octomom:

To help pay for his daughter's baby-producing habit, Suleman's 67-year-old father has returned to his native country to work as an interpreter.

That country, notably, is Iraq, which means either: 1) Suleman's actions have forced her elderly father to go to a warzone to help pay for her children or 2) the idea of having to deal with 14 kids and an insane mother has forced him to literally flee to a warzone.

408 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:19:14pm

re: #406 recusancy

It's .org

Thank you.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:19:44pm

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

as they say in pet sematary, sometimes dead is better

410 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:33:40pm

re: #396 nines09

Debate? It was a Book Tour/Loon Cult promisory note. What a crying shame. The United States Of America has two major political parties and one has degressed into a One Ring Circus with lots of clowns and little else and the scary part is people will vote for these clowns.

But the clown car circles the ring leftwards in order to attract the NASCAR vote.
/

411 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:38:01pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

I'm out of pies. I'll have to go Baker's Square tomorrow and get more.

Wait a minute -- you're gonna vote for one of these guys, and you're throwing pies at us?

412 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:23:35pm

re: #56 jaunte

Gingrich scanning the crowd for potential future wives.

Ewwww. Shudder.

413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:00:17am

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Most of the seats I sell are to DoD personnel. Solution providers Profiteers actually are a minority at the events I work on. Get your facts straight!

fxd

414 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:46:15pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The GOP isn't crashing it. That's just partisan BS from the Dems.

You may still be able to win elections, but look at who you have running for President, half a dozen crazy people, a spineless flip flopper and a semi-sane guy with 1% of the vote.

That's not the group of candidates that a healthy party puts forward to run for the president.


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