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1 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:20:56pm

Did I miss anything?

3 recusancy  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:22:36pm

Sounds like people are saying Newt “won”.

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:23:04pm

re: #1 Naso Tang

Did I miss anything?

That depends. Were you looking for something to make you want to gouge out our ears and eyes?

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:23:41pm

To be honest, I don’t care. Not because I don’t care about the presidency, but because my state has a relatively late primary. My opinions won’t count.

7 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:24:25pm
8 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:25:19pm

Well, to tell the truth, after Luap Nor said the answers the others gave was “just talk” I declared him the winner for the evening.

9 Charleston Chew  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:28:20pm

re: #7 MikeySDCA

OT

Fussell, Paul (1975-07-24). The Great War and Modern Memory (p. 33). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.

I would have said WWII. Goes back farther than I thought.

10 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:28:46pm

the only good thing i can say about newt is that he makes all the other candidates look like nice, unpretentious, kind hearted people by comparison

11 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:29:28pm

I got a kick out of Mitt’s obvious effort not to loose it.
Uncle Ron hit a nerve…

12 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:29:54pm

This debate was all about money. CNN has a vested interest in making sure this election goes right down to the wire. The whole event was stage-managed to make sure nothing real got discussed.

13 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:31:22pm

I also think it is despicable that members of the Party of Family Values are willing to deport 12M individuals currently in this country back to the War Zone of Mexico. Nice way to make friends. …

It is also quite despicable that any person apprehended by law enforcement ON AMERICAN SOIL would have due process denied because some “boot on the ground” or politician determined arbitrarily that that person was a terrorist and not a criminal.

I really could have missed the debate and been perfectly happy.

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:31:48pm

I get a little more cynical with every one of these Republican “debates.”

15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:32:24pm

re: #12 Charles

I’m starting to think someone somewhere’s making a butt-load of money out of this.

16 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:33:11pm

re: #15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m starting to think someone somewhere’s making a butt-load of money out of this.

There is a lot of money being made at taxpayer expense —War on Drugs, War in Afghanistan …POTUS elections …

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:34:05pm

re: #15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m starting to think someone somewhere’s making a butt-load of money out of this.

SOROS!!!
/

18 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:37:44pm

This “debate” showcased how myopic “foreign policy” is to the talking head circuit. Only Huntsman mentioned “friends and allies”, twice. The rest were 100% FEAR FEAR FEAR!!.

The simpleton approach is easier to sell, but if the AEI and Heritage are “think tanks” (heh) shouldn’t they be a bit more substantive?

No, because the truth about AEI and Heritage, and the GOP selection process under their tutelage, is about selling what is bad policy for the masses to the masses.

Here is reality: The US is a bit more than 4% of the world population, and that percentage is shrinking all the time. We don’t get to run the world, really. Only in the land of fantasy, where God has selected America to be predestined to rule the Earth in his name - only in that fantasy land can the US run the world. Too bad (for us, and many people in the world) there are just enough people in this country who believe that fantasy to allow what we see in the current GOP candidate process.

19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:39:25pm

re: #15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m starting to think someone somewhere’s making a butt-load of money out of this.

That’s why they are televised. CNN exists to make money.

20 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:43:43pm

Charlie Pierce continues to rock. On Gingrich:

How Newt Gingrich, former congressman from Bugtussle, former deposed speaker of the House, became a sage on issues of war and peace is something for our small minds to ponder. He’s attached his name to a series of ghastly historical novels. He likes to get up before banquets full of his fellow chickenhawks — Gingrich pioneered the Cheney option of family-based dodging of actual military service a couple of wives ago — and wax bloodthirsty. Why, at the last foreign-policy debate, the Definer of the Rules of Civilization said:

“We need maximum covert operations to block and disrupt the Iranian program, including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems…. All of it covertly, all of it deniable.”

Brilliant tactics there, Clausewitz. Commit murder overseas, but do so in such a covertly covert and super-deniably deniable way that everybody forgets that you promised to do it in public while you were running for president. Nobody in Iran will ever figure any of this out and, say, use it to rally support for the very regime we are trying to destabilize. Newt Gingrich’s credentials on national security are the same as his credentials on almost everything else — self-bestowed, firmly rooted in his own intergalactic egoism, and largely made up of bromides that would be laughable if they came from a person who’s less toweringly arrogant about expressing them.

Heh.

21 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:43:58pm

@thegarance
John King on CNN points out that Bachmann’s “too nuclear to fail” line is from a @Goldberg3000 piece in @TheAtlantic. #CNNdebate Figures.

22 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:44:10pm

re: #18 freetoken

This “debate” showcased how myopic “foreign policy” is to the talking head circuit. Only Huntsman mentioned “friends and allies”, twice. The rest were 100% FEAR FEAR FEAR!!.

The simpleton approach is easier to sell, but if the AEI and Heritage are “think tanks” (heh) shouldn’t they be a bit more substantive?

No, because the truth about AEI and Heritage, and the GOP selection process under their tutelage, is about selling what is bad policy for the masses to the masses.

Here is reality: The US is a bit more than 4% of the world population, and that percentage is shrinking all the time. We don’t get to run the world, really. Only in the land of fantasy, where God has selected America to be predestined to rule the Earth in his name - only in that fantasy land can the US run the world. Too bad (for us, and many people in the world) there are just enough people in this country who believe that fantasy to allow what we see in the current GOP candidate process.

I also thought it was interesting that Muslim’s were singled out as terrorists. They mentioned the threat in NY, but not the bullet that hit the WH.

My personal feeling is that the greatest security threat to this country is not a country, but extremeist religious views of all flavors.

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:44:38pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That’s why they are televised. CNN exists to make money.

Yeah. I get that. I just don’t remember there being this many debates since…THE DAWN OF FREAKIN’ TIME!

24 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:45:12pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That’s why they are televised. CNN exists to make money.

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:45:58pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

That’s why they are televised. CNN exists to make money.

Heh. If they were on PBS they sure as hell wouldn’t be broadcast during the fund-drive.

26 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:01pm

re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

Nope.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:02pm

re: #8 ggt

Well, to tell the truth, after Luap Nor said the answers the others gave was “just talk” I declared him the winner for the evening.

OK, I guess I’m not aware of all internet traditions. Who or what in hell is Luap Nor?

28 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:07pm

re: #14 Charles

So, just don’t watch them, it’s no good being cynical.

I never watch them myself.

& I already have some ipecac in the first aid kit.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:30pm

re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

You can send your “Thank You” letter to Ted Turner.

30 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:33pm

re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal

OK, I guess I’m not aware of all internet traditions. Who or what in hell is Luap Nor?

spell it backwards

31 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:34pm

re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal

OK, I guess I’m not aware of all internet traditions. Who or what in hell is Luap Nor?

Spell it backwards.

32 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:46:47pm

re: #30 mracb

spell it backwards

Jinx!

33 jaunte  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:47:10pm

!xniJ

34 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:47:17pm
35 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:47:25pm

+1 for capitalization and punctuation.

36 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:48:33pm

re: #20 makeitstop

Charlie Pierce continues to rock. On Gingrich:

Heh.

Bugtussle. Tee hee.

37 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:49:28pm

re: #30 mracb

spell it backwards

Ah, thanks.

38 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:51:03pm

re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

The Daily Show & Colbert Report.

39 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:52:08pm

On an unrelated note, my daughters suckered me in with a bait and switch today. They spent the last week talking about how they wanted to use Tyranids in a game against me, so I got my Marines ready. We get to the store and they tell me, “Oops, we picked up the wrong case. Guess we’ll have to use Space Wolves.” then proceeded to pick my bug hunters to pieces.

They will pay.

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:52:20pm

re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

No. On this, Bernard Goldberg has the right of it: There was a time when network news agencies in the US were primarily intended to inform. But that ended in the 1970’s when they started to turn a profit. Once it was realized that they could be profitable, their main focus shifted to making money. Unavoidable really, given the modern imperatives of a corporation.

41 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:53:05pm


(python)

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:53:22pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On an unrelated note, my daughters suckered me in with a bait and switch today. They spent the last week talking about how they wanted to use Tyranids in a game against me, so I got my Marines ready. We get to the store and they tell me, “Oops, we picked up the wrong case. Guess we’ll have to use Space Wolves.” then proceeded to pick my bug hunters to pieces.

They will pay.

They next time they try that, bring a Imperial Battleship and orbitally bombard their force into oblivion.

43 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:53:33pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On an unrelated note, my daughters suckered me in with a bait and switch today. They spent the last week talking about how they wanted to use Tyranids in a game against me, so I got my Marines ready. We get to the store and they tell me, “Oops, we picked up the wrong case. Guess we’ll have to use Space Wolves.” then proceeded to pick my bug hunters to pieces.

They will pay.

Could be worse, they could have fielded Tau.

44 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:53:50pm

re: #5 jaunte

How Many Ethnic Jokes Does It Take to Sink a Presidential Campaign?

I must say I am truly amazed at the fact that GWB wasn’t the worst that the GOP had to offer. Now I clearly see GWB may have actually been holding a lot of crazy at bay. At least QWB wasn’t a bigot.

Lord, I can’t believe I had to write that last sentence.

45 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:53:57pm

re: #20 makeitstop

Newt Gingrich’s credentials on national security are the same as his credentials on almost everything else — self-bestowed, firmly rooted in his own intergalactic egoism, and largely made up of bromides that would be

Boringest of boring the sterotypical arrogant academic.

Has the man ever even scene a treadmill or done anything but read and talk alot about himself? Well, there were the wives …

46 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:54:41pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Broadcasting in the US required, because the government required it for a license, for the users of those licenses to serve the public good, as the radio spectrum is a limited asset that all must share for the common good.

But that was then, and today we are enlightened private employees of our glorious corporations and we know better.

47 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:55:16pm

re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal

OK, I guess I’m not aware of all internet traditions. Who or what in hell is Luap Nor?

Somethings are not worth of being available to search engines …

48 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:55:37pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

No. On this, Bernard Goldberg has the right of it: There was a time when network news agencies in the US were primarily intended to inform. But that ended in the 1970’s when they started to turn a profit. Once it was realized that they could be profitable, their main focus shifted to making money. Unavoidable really, given the modern imperatives of a corporation.

Be careful there. Conservative aren’t supposed to admit that profit motive can make something worse. ;)

49 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:56:54pm

re: #46 freetoken

Well this common good could be invoked most forcefully, should the people insist on it.

But I think a people gets the government it deserves, ultimately.

50 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:57:50pm

re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal

Be careful there. Conservative aren’t supposed to admit that profit motive can make something worse. ;)

Cable also became a factor — A lot more money in cable, so Network News had to find a way to increase revenue to be competitive, keep viewers and decent employees.

Hey, I personally can’t blame them for selling what people will buy.

51 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:58:27pm

re: #50 ggt

Cable also became a factor — A lot more money in cable, so Network News had to find a way to increase revenue to be competitive, keep viewers and decent employees.

Hey, I personally can’t blame them for selling what people will buy.

///Can I personally blame the American people for what they’re willing to buy?

52 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:59:47pm

re: #15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m starting to think someone somewhere’s making a butt-load of money out of this.

All these “candidates” who are fleecing wealthy fools out of their money via “campaign” donations.

Really, who the hell is footing the bill for Michele Bachmann’s continued “campaign” apparatus? How stupid must they be, or how much wealth must they have to be able to spend it so frivolously?

53 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 7:59:51pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Could be worse, they could have fielded Tau.

I’ve taught them better than that.

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:00:04pm

re: #49 Ojoe

Well this common good could be invoked most forcefully, should the people insist on it.

But I think a people gets the government it deserves, ultimately.

do the people get the death they deserve?

55 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:00:11pm

If this Volokh entry is any indication:
[Link: volokh.com…]
then we can be assured that the right wing machine is well prepped to make maximal use of the pilfered emails, and that step 2 in whose ever plan is behind this release is underway.

56 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:00:38pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

They next time they try that, bring a Imperial Battleship and orbitally bombard their force into oblivion.

Next time, I’m taking my guardsmen and letting them deal with 3 Leman Russ MBT.

57 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:01:31pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. I get that. I just don’t remember there being this many debates since…THE DAWN OF FREAKIN’ TIME!

It’s all part of the plan to get the GOP base so brainwashed they won’t have a clue what hit them in 2012 when the party disintegrates entirely.

They don’t seem to be doing a very good job of brainwashing anyone not already in the choir.

58 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:01:59pm

re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

INTERNET —you have to wade thru, do your own research and fact checking and decide for yourself.

59 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:02:38pm

re: #54 WindUpBird

No they don’t.

My comment was a comment for a body of people not individuals.

60 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:03:07pm

re: #57 ggt

It’s all part of the plan to get the GOP base so brainwashed they won’t have a clue what hit them in 2012 when the party disintegrates entirely.

They don’t seem to be doing a very good job of brainwashing anyone not already in the choir.

How long until somebody start hawking Dianetics at a debate?

61 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:03:22pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

///Can I personally blame the American people for what they’re willing to buy?

yes, In this country, WE THE PEOPLE are ultimately responsible. Free Will and all that is essentially written into our Constitution.

Like it or not, Freedom.

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:04:09pm

re: #46 freetoken

Broadcasting in the US required, because the government required it for a license, for the users of those licenses to serve the public good, as the radio spectrum is a limited asset that all must share for the common good.

But that was then, and today we are enlightened private employees of our glorious corporations and we know better.

That was before cable and satellite stations. When the system used to carry the signals is Comcast or DirecTV, there is no real scarcity. Since there is so much more bandwidth, the old arguments of scarcity no longer apply. So now a news show can DERP to its heart’s contentment, and it need only fear business competition.

63 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:04:16pm

OK. So I refuse to watch these torture sessions debates, but did Rick Perry really revive this idiot meme?


Rick Perry: Hamas And Hezbollah Working In Mexico

Dear Goodhair,

Just because some of their members are darker skinned doesn’t mean that the cartels are made up of Hamas and Hezbollah members. Moron.

No love,
Me

64 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:04:54pm

re: #60 jamesfirecat

How long until somebody start hawking Dianetics at a debate?

Left Behind series is more likely …

65 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:05:53pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

That was before cable and satellite stations. When the system used to carry the signals is Comcast or DirecTV, there is no real scarcity. Since there is so much more bandwidth, the old arguments of scarcity no longer apply. So now a news show can DERP to its heart’s contentment, and it need only fea business conpetition.


This is the only DERP broadcast on cable that I support.

66 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:07:23pm

Entrenched Patriarchs don’t want change.

67 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:08:37pm

bbiab

68 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:09:45pm

I just have to thank all of you who watch this crap and comment on it so I don’t have to.

69 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:09:54pm

I just read this Gingrich quote from after the debate:

“What I’ve said is the foundation has a very good program for legalization without citizenship for people who have been here a long time. Now, I’m one — I want to say, go home to lots of people, i between create a border that’s controlled. I want a guest worker program outsourced to American Express or Visa or Mastercard.”

Anybody want to take a stab at what the hell that last sentence means?

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:10:16pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

No. On this, Bernard Goldberg has the right of it: There was a time when network news agencies in the US were primarily intended to inform. But that ended in the 1970’s when they started to turn a profit. Once it was realized that they could be profitable, their main focus shifted to making money. Unavoidable really, given the modern imperatives of a corporation.

The only inevitability is death. Corporate News 2011 does not have to be like it is, no lazy excuses.

71 erik_t  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:11:35pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Something something superiority of private corporations.

See? That was easy.

72 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:11:52pm

BTW, the second release of East Anglia emails demonstrates well in the same way what tonight’s AEI/Heritage demonstrated: the power to manipulate people by the orchestration of headlines and talking points.

Just as the science, or lack thereof, contents of the emails really isn’t in question but merely the existence of mine-quotable phrases that can be re-used by pundits on television and talk-radio and the web allows for changing the conversation to what is desired, so did 2 hours on CNN tonight in which we repeatedly heard “Pakistan”, “Iran”, “nukes”, and “China” set in peoples’ minds that the only things that count are Pakistan, Iran, nukes, and China.

The very use of the word “climategate” itself is propaganda. It would be much more accurate to the real crime to call it “emailtheftgate”, but that wouldn’t be controversial enough to be usable to sell, sell, sell.

Likewise with foreign policy and national defense. The real issues of sustainable trade, cooperative military engagement throughout the world, establishing international institutions that people around the world can respect, etc. - those are all too difficult to talk about or just don’t sell like FEAR FEAR FEAR.

Those who define the conversation can get their way. I used that to my own advantage for years - just by showing up to a meeting prepared with handouts and a presentation even when not asked ahead of time put me in the position of directing the conversation.

73 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:19:23pm

Anyone think it’s weird and disturbing that the last several debates have all been sponsored by right wing think tanks or religious groups?

I do.

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:20:29pm

re: #69 makeitstop

I just read this Gingrich quote from after the debate:

Anybody want to take a stab at what the hell that last sentence means?

My only guess for it making any sort of logic is in the context that guest workers are sending money home to their families and that Newt wants that monitored (and properly taxed and service fees applied). Presumably that would also control the funds from being funneled to drug or terrorist gangs.

Otherwise, it appears to be bizarro-world word salad.

75 gehazi  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:21:36pm

re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal

Are there any news organizations that exist to inform people anymore?

NPR

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:22:37pm

re: #73 Charles

Anyone think it’s weird and disturbing that the last several debates have all been sponsored by right wing think tanks or religious groups?

I do.

Weird? No. Disturbing only in that it’s clear the candidates either won’t let a moderate/liberal group sponsor one, or can’t find one. I presume the former is more likely since a true debate with hardball questions and serious moderators would probably be more damaging to the candidates and party than they are willing to risk.

77 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:23:28pm

re: #73 Charles

I think it was inevitable. Why pretend any longer? The GOP appeals to very well crafted demographics - (1) those with money, and (2) those who have been convinced that it is their right to be like those with money and only if tax rates are low enough will they “make it”, and finally (3) those who resent the social changes since 1965.

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:23:41pm

re: #58 ggt

INTERNET —you have to wade thru, do your own research and fact checking and decide for yourself.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been doing or the last 5-6 years.

79 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:24:18pm

re: #73 Charles

Anyone think it’s weird and disturbing that the last several debates have all been sponsored by right wing think tanks or religious groups?

I do.

The think tanks and religious nuts are running the party anyway. Might as well be open about it when it comes to these “debates”.

80 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:24:26pm

re: #73 Charles

Anyone think it’s weird and disturbing that the last several debates have all been sponsored by right wing think tanks or religious groups?

I do.

Who else would be willing to pay to listen to these people talk?

81 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:25:44pm
82 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:26:59pm

re: #73 Charles

Anyone think it’s weird and disturbing that the last several debates have all been sponsored by right wing think tanks or religious groups?

I do.

I lost my temper with this sort of thing when Obama and McCain both went obediently to be sniffed over by Rick Warren, and haven’t regained it since.

83 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:27:28pm

re: #77 freetoken

I think it was inevitable. Why pretend any longer? The GOP appeals to very well crafted demographics - (1) those with money, and (2) those who have been convinced that it is their right to be like those with money and only if tax rates are low enough will they “make it”, and finally (3) those who resent the social changes since 1965.

1 = 1% of the GOP (Huntsman voters)
2 = 24% of the GOP (Romney voters)
3 = 75% of the GOP (the rest of the clown car voters)

84 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:28:05pm

re: #81 mracb

Glenn Beck calls Bachmann ‘exceptional’

bwahaha

And Michelle Obama is uppity.

85 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:35:56pm

re: #73 Charles

Anyone think it’s weird and disturbing that the last several debates have all been sponsored by right wing think tanks or religious groups?

I do.

I believe it’s down to it by default. Who else wants them? Two sane guys (by a stretch) and then the rest. By a media centric perspective they have had too many debates, thinned the audience. Weak tea for all but the frothing faithful.

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:37:36pm

re: #74 oaktree

My only guess for it making any sort of logic is in the context that guest workers are sending money home to their families and that Newt wants that monitored (and properly taxed and service fees applied). Presumably that would also control the funds from being funneled to drug or terrorist gangs.

Otherwise, it appears to be bizarro-world word salad.

IIRC, that is already being done. Both for Mexico and the ME.

87 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:38:10pm

re: #78 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been doing or the last 5-6 years.

I learned it from Lizards …

88 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:38:31pm

re: #81 mracb

Glenn Beck calls Bachmann ‘exceptional’

bwahaha

exceptionally brainwashed.

89 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:39:51pm

Huntsman is far to rational for this crowd.

90 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:46:22pm
Richard Duane “Rick” Warren (born January 28, 1954) is an American evangelical Christian minister and author.[1][2][3] He is the founder and senior pastor of Saddleback Church, an evangelical megachurch located in Lake Forest, California, currently the eighth-largest church in the United States (this ranking includes multi-site churches).[4]

Mega-Churches have rankings?

Due to the success of his book sales, in 2005 Warren returned his 25 years of salary to the church and discontinued taking a salary. He says he and his wife became “reverse tithers”, giving away 90% of their income and living off 10%.[11]

Ok, he gets kudos for that.

Warren has been invited to speak at national and international forums, including the United Nations, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the African Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, TED, and Time’s Global Health Summit. He was an elected member of the Council on Foreign Relations between 2005 and 2006, and [15] was named one of “America’s Top 25 Leaders” in the October 31, 2005, issue of U.S. News and World Report.[10] Warren was named by Time magazine as one of “15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004” and one of the “100 Most Influential People in the World” (2005).[16] In 2006 Newsweek called him one of “15 People Who Make America Great”.[17]

And, I barely know this guys name …WTF?

He’s down on abortion, LGBT and Evolution.

Obama had him at the inauguration. What’s up with that?

91 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:49:20pm

re: #89 Petero1818

Huntsman is far to rational for this crowd.

Except for his crazy economic proposals. Other than that, he might as well be a Blue Dog.

92 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:50:44pm

re: #90 ggt

Mega-Churches have rankings?

Ok, he gets kudos for that.

And, I barely know this guys name …WTF?

He’s down on abortion, LGBT and Evolution.

Obama had him at the inauguration. What’s up with that?

Four words: The Purpose Driven Life

93 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:51:14pm

re: #91 Lidane

US politics are gonna get REAL screwy for a couple decades.

Fasten your seatbelts.

94 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:52:05pm

re: #92 Lidane

Four words: The Purpose Driven Life

Yeah, my Self-Help Phase ended about 10 years ago. I didn’t read that book and doubt I’ll be picking-it-up anytime soon.

Sounds like “The Family” —Uganda anti-homsexuality Whacko™ to me.

95 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:54:54pm

re: #94 ggt

Sounds like “The Family” —Uganda anti-homsexuality Whacko™ to me.

Speaking of that, Rick Warren got the “Santorum” treatment from Dan Savage as well - his church is known as “Saddleback”, so…

96 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:55:20pm

re: #94 ggt

Yeah, my Self-Help Phase ended about 10 years ago. I didn’t read that book and doubt I’ll be picking-it-up anytime soon.

Sounds like “The Family” —Uganda anti-homsexuality Whacko™ to me.

They run in the same crowd.

97 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:56:36pm

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but we need some sort of REQUIRED science education in this country. A standardized test or something to get a HS diploma.

98 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:58:12pm

re: #94 ggt

Yeah, my Self-Help Phase ended about 10 years ago. I didn’t read that book and doubt I’ll be picking-it-up anytime soon.

He’s far more theological than Joel Osteen, that’s for sure. I can’t tell you how many copies I’ve seen of his books among family.

Sounds like “The Family” —Uganda anti-homsexuality Whacko™ to me.

But with a softer touch. He echoes all the anti-gay, social conservative stuff, but he’s been careful to make the public focus of his ministry anything but social conservative issues.

99 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:59:16pm

re: #97 ggt

Standardized Tests don’t do great for Critical Thinking.

However, I agree with everything else. A National Curriculum is a good idea.

100 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:00:38pm

re: #98 Lidane

He’s far more theological than Joel Osteen, that’s for sure. I can’t tell you how many copies I’ve seen of his books among family.

But with a softer touch. He echoes all the anti-gay, social conservative stuff, but he’s been careful to make the public focus of his ministry anything but social conservative issues.

He seems to have amassed a considerable following among the Patriarchs.

What expertise does he spout at international conferences:

United Nations, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the African Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, TED, and Time’s Global Health Summit

What does a Preacher know about Economics, Africa or Foreign Relations?

101 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:01:52pm

re: #99 ProLifeLiberal

Standardized Tests don’t do great for Critical Thinking.

However, I agree with everything else. A National Curriculum is a good idea.

No, but students should be exposed to the truth about Evolution and basic biology. They should be required to show they learned it. We can’t make them believe it, but we an try to impede the brainwashing efforts of the Whackos™

102 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:08:13pm

re: #92 Lidane

Four words: The Purpose Driven Life

The Amazon.com 1 Star reviews are insightful.

103 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:13:32pm

Here is something that I find very sad in hindsight.


2001 uprising in Herat

And look who was on the side against the Taliban:

United States
Northern Alliance
Iran

We had such an oppurtunity after 9/11 to change things. New Slate if you will.

104 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:13:42pm

re: #90 ggt

Obama had him at the inauguration. What’s up with that?

As I wrote in my last Page, we can’t over emphasize the importance of religion to American politics.

105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:17:57pm

re: #90 ggt

Feh, Saddleback. I was quite close with a friend at Fundagelical U, who was a Saddlebags member.

Obama getting Prick Warren to give the convocation at his inauguration was really the beginning of the Disappointed schtick. No, I didn’t like it, thought it was needless, and all of that.

But this is who they got for the benediction. That got lost in that whole RWarren story.

106 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:20:04pm

re: #105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Feh, Saddleback. I was quite close with a friend at Fundagelical U, who was a Saddlebags member.

Obama getting Prick Warren to give the convocation at his inauguration was really the beginning of the Disappointed schtick. No, I didn’t like it, thought it was needless, and all of that.

But this is who they got for the benediction. That got lost in that whole RWarren story.

Very cool!

107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:26:18pm

re: #106 ggt

Oh! and OT, I have Big Puppy pics!

((((((Big Puppy)))))

108 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:30:54pm

Why can’t we just have Hillary (D) vs Sarah (R) for the 2012 contest and sit back and enjoy a cat fight?

I for one would find this entertaining no end.

109 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:31:11pm

Arrgh, upload isn’t working.

/shaking fist at dumbphone

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:33:49pm

re: #107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh! and OT, I have Big Puppy pics!

(((Big Puppy)))

No Way! Make Pages Post!!!

111 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:34:13pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

I lost my temper with this sort of thing when Obama and McCain both went obediently to be sniffed over by Rick Warren, and haven’t regained it since.

ROFLMAOPMP

Sniffed. Bow wow.

112 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:35:03pm

re: #108 Ojoe

Why can’t we just have Hillary (D) vs Sarah (R) for the 2012 contest and sit back and enjoy a cat fight?

I for one would find this entertaining no end.

No fight would ensue. Hillary would win. Sarah would wimp out and be a no show.

113 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:35:59pm

re: #112 ggt

Dang, a fella can hope, can’t he?

Fitz ! Rowwwww !

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:37:04pm

re: #105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But this is who they got for the benediction. That got lost in that whole RWarren story.

I watched him live iirc :D

115 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:37:20pm

re: #108 Ojoe

Why can’t we just have Hillary (D) vs Sarah (R) for the 2012 contest and sit back and enjoy a cat fight?

I for one would find this entertaining no end.

I get a down-ding for this ! ? !

ROFLMAO

& good night…

116 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:42:09pm

re: #105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But this is who they got for the benediction. That got lost in that whole RWarren story.

I remember. The wingers got all butthurt over the line “and when white will embrace what is right.”

117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:43:45pm

re: #115 Ojoe

I get a down-ding for this ! ? !

Please, you wanted it.

118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:44:37pm

re: #113 Ojoe

Dang, a fella can hope, can’t he?

Fitz ! Rowww !

Stupid comment. Go vote for Herman Cain - he represents you.

119 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:45:00pm

re: #117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

OK


Ha ha ha

I love this site, it is an island of sanity

BBL

120 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:45:48pm

re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Geez, I can’t stand Cain

He prolly puts pineapple on pizza

121 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:47:04pm

Good night really.

122 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:48:26pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Geez, I can’t stand Cain

He prolly puts pineapple on pizza

Where the H have you been? He likes meat and lots of it.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:48:52pm

re: #106 ggt

Very cool!

The group we had here at LGF then was very, very angry about that benediction.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 9:49:44pm

re: #108 Ojoe

Why can’t we just have Hillary (D) vs Sarah (R) for the 2012 contest and sit back and enjoy a cat fight?

I for one would find this entertaining no end.

Not a fair fight. No fun in it.

Also, the Democrats have an incumbent.

125 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:05:33pm

what a perfect representative of the right wing republican is our newt!

he approaches every question with arrogant assurance of the unquestionable correctness of the geography of his flat earth centric universe. he has mastered the technique of arrogance-forwardness, whereby you understand with every question that the master has overlooked the annoying and pitiful ignorance that led you to trouble him with an inquiry, before the actual explanation is ever forthcoming

he is displeased and disturbed that you have chosen to question any of his innumerable pecadillos, however base, since this is a sign of ypur disturbed mind failing to notice that He Has Arrived to solve our problems

but most importantly for the republican base - very base - he beats all his competitors in the art of Making A Mean and Nasty Noise. a noise that a parent might make before mercelessly beating their child for daring to question them before strangers. a noise a slaveowner might make before ordering a slave to be flogged for the arrogance of having run away

because this is what The Base really wants. the absurd and contradictory positions, the whackdoodle theories, these are just armatures needed to hold up the rage and appear to give it shape and meaning. it’s all for naught without the furious music, the theme and variations on You Have Annoyed Or Embarrassed Me And Now You Must Pay

126 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:06:53pm
127 freetoken  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:16:24pm

re: #125 engineer dog

he has mastered the technique of arrogance-forwardness, …

A very good an accurate phrase.

128 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:30:30pm

Penn State players lived by special rules: ex-official

Penn State University football players received special treatment compared to other students when accused of violating school rules, the school’s ex-chief disciplinarian said on Tuesday.

Longtime football coach Joe Paterno and then-university President Graham Spanier were involved in years of debate that ended in changing the rules for how football players were disciplined, said Vicky Triponey, the vice president for student affairs from 2003 to 2007.

“The consequence of these accommodations put us in the position of treating football players more favorably than other students accused of violating the community standards as defined by the student code of conduct,” Triponey said in a statement e-mailed to Reuters on Tuesday.

Her comments dealt another blow to a university and once-storied football program now reeling from allegations of child sexual abuse against a former assistance coach and an alleged cover-up.

Sports have no place in college.

129 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:35:12pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

The group we had here at LGF then was very, very angry about that benediction.

I think I was on a Sci-Fi hiatus at the time.

The whole 2008 election shook me.

130 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:36:55pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Penn State players lived by special rules: ex-official

Sports have no place in college.

Sport MONEY has no place in college.

Sports should be sports, not business.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:37:28pm
132 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:39:14pm

LOL. A freeper’s feathers are all ruffled up:

DANG IT!!!

Last week I went to a small local butcher to order my turkey, assuming the bird would be local. I was miffed today when they handed me a Butterball, which I could have just as easily purchased at Walmart, saved the trip across town and some $$$ too. And now I find out this thing is some sacrifice to a satanic moon god? Grrr!

133 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:39:58pm

re: #125 engineer dog

Quite Concur!

see my #45

134 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:41:35pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

LOL. A freeper’s feathers are all ruffled up:

Satanic Moon God.

teehee

repost from earlier in the day

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:43:23pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

LOL. A freeper’s feathers are all ruffled up:

This is why you ask if the bird is local.

And if it’s been sacrificed to any satanic moon gods.

136 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:44:26pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Can I interest you in this page?: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

137 Lidane  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:46:35pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Penn State players lived by special rules: ex-official

Not only did the players live by special rules, but this story makes my blood boil:

Penn State Scandal: Mother Of Alleged Jerry Sandusky Victim Claims Mistreatment By Son’s School

Court records refer to him simply, as Victim One. Outside of a four-and-a-half page section about him in the grand jury indictment of ex-Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, little else has been discussed about him publicly.

Last week, his mother (who I will refer to as “Mother One”) removed him from Central Mountain High School in Mill Hall, Pa., where he was a senior and an all-star athlete. In an interview conducted last week, she explained why she pulled him from the school.

“They were not helpful,” Mother One said of the school’s administrators. “They wanted me to go home and forget about it.”

Mother One also alleges that since the Sandusky scandal erupted, fellow students and the high school’s football coach (who also serves as assistant principal) have all targeted her son with verbal attacks and threats of violence.

She also claims that the school’s principal tried to convince her and her son not to report their allegations against Sandusky to the police, and that as recently as this month, refused to treat threats of violence against her son by other students as credible.

Sickening. The victim was made to feel guilty for being abused because it would have hurt the school’s football program otherwise. WTF.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:47:04pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

This is why you ask if the bird is local.

And if it’s been sacrificed to any satanic moon gods.

Or, just shut up and eat the halal turkey already, and stop whining.

The ‘moon god’ thing pisses me off worse than practically anything else these people fixate on.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:48:44pm

re: #137 Lidane

Not only did the players live by special rules, but this story makes my blood boil:

Penn State Scandal: Mother Of Alleged Jerry Sandusky Victim Claims Mistreatment By Son’s School

Sickening. The victim was made to feel guilty for being abused because it would have hurt the school’s football program otherwise. WTF.

It’s the classic way of making the victim go away. “If this is true, it’s going to completely ruin the lives of people who are more important than you. Are you sure you want to keep talking about this?”

I am so glad that the giant sexual abuse scandal at the high school I used to teach at was handled appropriately.

140 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:52:46pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s the classic way of making the victim go away. “If this is true, it’s going to completely ruin the lives of people who are more important than you. Are you sure you want to keep talking about this?”

I am so glad that the giant sexual abuse scandal at the high school I used to teach at was handled appropriately.

Hey, Sandusky himself said he’d probably helped a lot more kids, and he swears he never would have molested all of them. What more do we need? Case closed.
/

141 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:55:59pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, Sandusky himself said he’d probably helped a lot more kids, and he swears he never would have molested all of them. What more do we need? Case closed.
/

sacrificing the one for the many???

when that one is a minor and the sacrifice is rape.

fuck that shit.

142 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 10:59:11pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Or, just shut up and eat the halal turkey already, and stop whining.

The ‘moon god’ thing pisses me off worse than practically anything else these people fixate on.

Here’s my thing, if a person’s going to start their rant off with “DANG IT” and end with “Grrr,” that makes everything they put in between automatically ridiculous. No legit beef gets placed between those two terms, ever.

“Oh, I see you’ve punctuated your complaint with a church conducive swear and textually simulated animal growling, I now know to take you seriously.”

Not happening.

143 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:01:55pm

I’m off to bed.

Have a great morning/evening all!

144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:06:38pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

The group we had here at LGF then was very, very angry about that benediction.

With some people, it never takes much.

145 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:12:41pm

re: #144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

With some people, it never takes much.

WTF DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?!?!

146 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:19:26am

Herman Cain touts his business experience, saying its what makes him the best candidate for US President. What does that experience show?

Herman Cain’s Aquila Dealings Undercut His Business-Acumen Claims

Until its demise, however, Aquila/Utilicorp was a large part of Cain’s business life from 1991 on, while it was transforming itself from a conservative, asset-heavy, international energy company that owned power plants and distribution lines into a merchant energy commodity trader that soared and crashed in a speculative frenzy. The company never recovered from 2001, the best of times and the worst of times for Aquila. Claiming at the time that it earned more than $40 billion, Aquila later downgraded its 2001 revenue to $3.7 billion, implicitly acknowledging that much of what it and others like Enron did in the energy derivatives market was fantasy trading.

Over the course of these boom-to-bust-to-sale years, Herman Cain, the businessman who thinks his financial skills qualify him for the White House, became the longest-serving independent director of the company, and was eventually selected as the company’s official “leading independent director.” As chair of Aquila’s compensation committee, he oversaw the award of millions in bonuses to the very executives presiding over this disaster. Also a member of its nominating and corporate governance committees, Cain’s tenure with the company has been marred, like the rest of those in its leadership posts, by a swath of settled lawsuits and government findings against the firm.

147 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:45:59am

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It’s more or less an act, I gather, of Cain to portray himself as a great businessman.

Sort of like Newt’s supposed great intelligence. In the recent debates he’s shown numerous times that his statements (like about Einstein tonight) are fraught with problems, at the least. Faux-learning, but the masses won’t know any difference.

148 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:49:46am

Luiz Bonfa

149 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:58:23am

Chinese Fund Managers Sentenced to Death after Cheating Investors out of 1 Billion USD

HANGZHOU – Two brothers and their father were sentenced to death on Monday for cheating 15,000 investors out of over $1.1 billion in east China’s Zhejiang province.

Ji Wenhua, president of the Yintai Real Estate and Investment Group, was sentenced to death for the crime of fund-raising fraud, said the Intermediate People’s Court in the city of Lishui, where the company was based.

However, his brother, Ji Shengjun, and father, Ji Linqing, could be spared execution as their death penalties have a two-year reprieve.

The family, along with others, had illegally raised over 7.04 billion yuan ($1.12 billion) between 2003 and 2008 before they were taken into police custody in 2008, holding the truth from investors that their company had been losing money for years, according to the court.

A third brother, Ji Yongjun, was sentenced to life imprisonment.

The four men also had their political rights deprived for life and personal property confiscated.

The court also sentenced two other people involved in the case to three years in prison each.

[Link: www.thechinamoneyreport.com…]

150 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:02:57am

re: #55 freetoken

If this Volokh entry is any indication:
[Link: volokh.com…]
then we can be assured that the right wing machine is well prepped to make maximal use of the pilfered emails, and that step 2 in whose ever plan is behind this release is underway.

Maximal use of pretty much nothing still comes to pretty much nothing. That’s the thing about living clean. They can air your laundry, and it ain’t dirty.

The release of more climate scientist emails will only prove once again that these scientists are mortal humans, better than most but not quite perfect, and that they sometimes get snappish or defensive. Go figure.

The science itself emerges unscathed. The growing record of unheard of weather events speaks for itself. We’re past the prediction stage and into the just open your eyes and look around stage.

The science will win the public debate eventually. In the meantime, since it’s impossible to build wind and solar at the scale needed in the current political climate, all that remains is two things:

First, and this is critical, keep working on improving the technology and economics of green energy. The cheaper it gets, the less difficult it is to persuade people to adopt it.

Second, stay on message and reiterate fundamental facts to swing voters and readers and listeners. There are facts that cannot be gainsaid. Arctic sea ice down. CO2 up. More record highs than lows being set. Glaciers in retreat. That sort of stuff. None of that can be attributed to monkeyshines with the data.

151 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:04:08am

re: #149 000G

Chinese Fund Managers Sentenced to Death after Cheating Investors out of 1 Billion USD

[Link: www.thechinamoneyreport.com…]

Next up: John Corzine.

152 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:06:18am

re: #97 ggt

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but we need some sort of REQUIRED science education in this country. A standardized test or something to get a HS diploma.

There are laws about tests. If they have a disproportionate effect etc., and when has there been a test that didn’t, they’re disallowed.

153 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:09:20am

re: #125 engineer dog

what a perfect representative of the right wing republican is our newt!

he approaches every question with arrogant assurance of the unquestionable correctness of the geography of his flat earth centric universe. he has mastered the technique of arrogance-forwardness, whereby you understand with every question that the master has overlooked the annoying and pitiful ignorance that led you to trouble him with an inquiry, before the actual explanation is ever forthcoming

he is displeased and disturbed that you have chosen to question any of his innumerable pecadillos, however base, since this is a sign of ypur disturbed mind failing to notice that He Has Arrived to solve our problems

but most importantly for the republican base - very base - he beats all his competitors in the art of Making A Mean and Nasty Noise. a noise that a parent might make before mercelessly beating their child for daring to question them before strangers. a noise a slaveowner might make before ordering a slave to be flogged for the arrogance of having run away

because this is what The Base really wants. the absurd and contradictory positions, the whackdoodle theories, these are just armatures needed to hold up the rage and appear to give it shape and meaning. it’s all for naught without the furious music, the theme and variations on You Have Annoyed Or Embarrassed Me And Now You Must Pay

So, was that why Gingrich said that he was opposed to deporting all illegal immigrants? Gingrich openly disagrees with the farthest-right of the GOP on this issue.

154 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:18:55am

re: #151 lostlakehiker

Next up: John Corzine.

Goldmann Sachs guys are immune.

Which reminds me: Italy’s new PM has been a Goldmann Sachs advisor.

155 researchok  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:29:51am

Morning, all

156 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:35:56am

re: #99 ProLifeLiberal

Standardized Tests don’t do great for Critical Thinking.

However, I agree with everything else. A National Curriculum is a good idea.

It’s common elsewhere in the world, but it’ll never happen in the USA. Local control is entrenched in our whole system of public education, which essentially politicizes the curriculum development process. The best we can hope for is a sensible state curriculum that is so kick-ass that other states will adopt it, just to keep up with the joneses. Even then, any state curriculum still has to get through the state assembly and senate and lots of public forums. And, if parents don’t like the curriculum, they can pull their kids out of the public system entirely.

As watered-down as most public school curricula are, wingnut parents already homeschool or church school their kids, a lot of whom then move on to places like Liberty U and Oral Roberts U. So, I doubt a national curriculum would have much of an effect, in the short run, anyway.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:01:34am

Morning Honcos.

158 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:13:57am

re: #156 wheatdogg

we need an education system in which parents can move from state to state to pursue job opportunities without worrying about it adversely affecting their children’s academic potential

159 spiderx  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:20:28am

CNN is the most disappointing news network for me. FOX is right wing propaganda but that’s their goal.

i think CNN’s goal might actually be to be real news. That’s why their such a failure.

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:20:50am

I posted a story like this about 6 months ago that was about Florida tobacco shops. Man, take away a politicians binky…..
/
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:22:59am

re: #159 spiderx

CNN is the most disappointing news network for me. FOX is right wing propaganda but that’s their goal.

i think CNN’s goal might actually be to be real news. That’s why their such a failure.

I loved CNN when Daryn Kagan was on it. Not sure what happened to her. Other than that, they can all suck it.

162 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:34:18am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

I posted a story like this about 6 months ago that was about Florida tobacco shops. Man, take away a politicians binky…
/
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

This sounds like the rule that says that food stamps cannot be used to buy prepared warm foods, but does not forbid customers from warming them up in the microwave after they have been paid for.

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:41:29am

re: #162 ralphieboy

This sounds like the rule that says that food stamps cannot be used to buy prepared warm foods, but does not forbid customers from warming them up in the microwave after they have been paid for.

Bingo. I know in Florida they’re either trying to pass or have passed a law where you can use food stamps for hot foods (Subway, BK, other places) if you meet certain criteria. I haven’t really looked into it and if they did pass a law like that, a business doesn’t have to accept them.

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:43:30am

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yum! Brands was lobbying for it. They’ve stopped. But there is this…
[Link: www.nacsonline.com…]

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:46:56am

Things are what they are, not what we designate them to be: tobacco is tobacco, whatever form it is in.

And cocaine is cocaine, whether it be in powder or crack form.

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:52:23am

re: #165 ralphieboy

Things are what they are, not what we designate them to be: tobacco is tobacco, whatever form it is in.

And cocaine is cocaine, whether it be in powder or crack form.

The only think about crack is that it’s a more pure form. Powder dealers will try to “step on it” to extent their profits. And I just found out you can actually shoot crack. Dude I work with said he does it occasionally. I asked how and he said you dissolve the crack in citrus juice. I can’t prove or disprove that fact, but he did have the marks.

167 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:52:59am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

“It’s misuse of the program. It’s a misuse of taxpayer dollars at a tough time. Not only the people who need the program are having a tough time, but the people who are paying for the program are having a tough time, too,” said Kevin Concannon, USDA undersecretary for food, nutrition and consumer .

Now they’re concerned about the taxpayer? I don’t know what is worse: fraud or hypocrisy.

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:55:44am

re: #167 EdDantes

With something like food stamps, it is hard to track all the transaction. I mean, if someone runs up a $200 bill at Bob’s Slurpee Shop, I can see that raising a flag. But there are just to many places accepting them now.

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:57:02am

What if Bob sells you a cup of ice cubes, a shot of syrup and then lets you use his blender?

170 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:59:07am

re: #158 ralphieboy

we need an education system in which parents can move from state to state to pursue job opportunities without worrying about it adversely affecting their children’s academic potential

Or from one side of town to the other, or even within the same state. The variability of school quality is that granular.

State curricula are not always strictly enforced. Local conditions (property tax values, family income levels, etc.) may make it close to impossible to meet all curricular demands. In addition, there have been several well publicized examples of science teachers paying only lip service to state guidelines and teaching creationism or ID in their classes, and local administrators letting them get away with it. The saga of John Freshwater in Ohio is one notable example. He was going so far as to proselytize his 7th graders in class.

That said, a national curriculum is just ink on paper if there is not enough money, equitably distributed, to enable all the schools to meet the guidelines. Imagine the hue and cry if someone proposed not only a American national curriculum, but also a national education tax, to replace or augment local property taxes.

171 sagehen  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:59:43am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

I loved CNN when Daryn Kagan was on it. Not sure what happened to her. Other than that, they can all suck it.

I kinda liked her until I found out she was dating Rush Limbaugh; fairly or not, that destroyed her credibility for me. (I’m not sure if she broke up with him or he broke up with her… either way, I’ve never been able to look at her the same way).

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:01:23am

re: #170 wheatdogg

We expect families to be flexible enough to change locations to follow economic opportunities (or simply to ensure their own economic survival). But then we burden them with a patchy and inconsistent education system.

173 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:05:34am

In 1975 when I was 20 I was on food stamps in Oregon. It only took a few minutes to apply and I was out the door with a booklet of stamps. My older brother and I went to a grocery store and I went in and bought the most expensive ham I could find. A few minutes later he went in with the receipt and returned it for cash. We used the cash to drive to Portland and see an Eric Clapton concert.

174 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:09:55am

Fucking BSOD!!!

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:11:14am

Another thing with Stamps is that people sell them to other people, who do by food. .50 on the dollars.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:17:33am

There is a job online. “Crime Scene Cleanup Technician”. I met a guy who did this. He said it wasn’t for the queasy. Heh.

177 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:17:43am

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

Another thing with Stamps is that people sell them to other people, who do by food. .50 on the dollars.

Another example of unintended consequences. Black markets will arise spontaneously when there is an opportunity. A Government program lends itself to that.

178 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:20:08am

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don’t even want to read the job description.

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:21:23am

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a job online. “Crime Scene Cleanup Technician”. I met a guy who did this. He said it wasn’t for the queasy. Heh.

Must successfully pass a drug screen, physical and psychological evaluation
Ya think?

180 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:25:17am

Morning Folks.

181 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:32:26am

re: #180 RogueOne

Good morning, Rogue.

182 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:34:29am

re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar

Must successfully pass a drug screen, physical and psychological evaluation
Ya think?

I could pass all three but I would suck at it, throwing up and all.

183 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:36:06am

re: #173 EdDantes

In 1975 when I was 20 I was on food stamps in Oregon. It only took a few minutes to apply and I was out the door with a booklet of stamps. My older brother and I went to a grocery store and I went in and bought the most expensive ham I could find. A few minutes later he went in with the receipt and returned it for cash. We used the cash to drive to Portland and see an Eric Clapton concert.

Here in Oregon they switched to a debit card type system to avoid the stigma of using the stamps. I was behind a Russian guy in line yesterday who was on some kind of public assistance I’d never seen before.. Some kind of paper checks with accompanying forms for the cashier to fill out. It was very complicated and time consuming.

184 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:37:07am

In Russia, food stamps you!!!

185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:38:07am

Gender-bending chemical found in canned soups ‘increases risk of heart disease and diabetes’

Findings reveal that people who ate canned soup daily for just five days experienced a 1,000 per cent increase in urinary bisphenol A (BPA).

Scientists blame this increase on manufacturers using BPA in the lining of soup tins to prevent them from rusting.

It is known as the gender-bending chemical, as previous studies have shown it can interfere with the way hormones are processed. But scientists are split over its effects, with some maintaining it is perfectly safe and others linking it to cancer, obesity and diabetes.

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:38:32am

re: #182 EdDantes

I could pass all three but I would suck at it, throwing up and all.

Well, if you do throw up, you are in a self contained suit to keep it from getting on the blood splatter.

187 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:42:26am

re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, if you do throw up, you are in a self contained suit to keep it from getting on the blood splatter.

So, I got that going for me.

188 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:49:45am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

But it keeps the “tins” from rusting.

189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:58:42am

Funny.
[Link: lasvegas.cbslocal.com…]

190 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:03:28am

LARGO —- Nicholas Lindsey, the 16-year-old accused of killing a veteran St. Petersburg police officer, did not take the witness stand Tuesday as part of a two-day hearing on whether a judge should toss out videotaped statements he made about the shooting.

But his attorneys, Dyril Flanagan and Frank McDermott, accused police of manipulating Lindsey’s parents into persuading him to give a videotaped confession to gunning down Officer David Crawford.

Detectives had convinced the parents, Deneen Sweat and Nicholas Lindsey Sr., that they had the teenager’s shoes, one of them left behind at the scene of the shooting; a surveillance video showing him near the scene; and a hooded sweatshirt found not far from his home in the Citrus Park apartments.
[Link: www.tampabay.com…]

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:07:03am

TAMPA — A man who stabbed another in the head with an ice pick in a road rage confrontation Monday may be protected under Florida’s “stand your ground” law.

The argument became physical between Adelson — a 6-foot-3, 260-pound former Middleton High School offensive tackle — and Polanco, who is 6 feet tall and 150 pounds.

But at some point, deputies say, Polanco grabbed an ice pick he had in his car and stabbed Adelson in the head and arm.

[Link: www.tampabay.com…]

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:08:04am

Rolling Stone has announced the top ten guitarists of all times.

1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Eric Clapton
3. Jimmy Page
4. Keith Richards
5. Jeff Beck
6. B.B. King
7. Chuck Berry
8. Eddie Van Halen
9. Duane Allman
10. Pete Townshend

Eddie Van Halen was #80 on the last list like this I saw at Rolling Stone.

Obviously, he took some lessons or something.

193 Flounder  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:08:24am

Good morning everyone.
Winter Wonderland in upstate NY, only three cars off the road.
I would like to wish the lizards traveling this Thanksgiving to have a safe trip.

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:09:09am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Protect your right to bear ice picks!!!

195 Flounder  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:09:47am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jimi would be 69 today

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:10:02am

re: #194 ralphieboy

Protect your right to bear icepicks!!!

Maybe he was on his way to Bob’s Slurpee Mart. Just sayin’.

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:14:18am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m listening to a Nelson DeMille book on CD in my car; last night, as I was driving home; a KGB agent’s explaining to the book’s hero how to kill someone with an ice-pick.

You post the story this morning… so weird/cool when that happens.

198 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:14:29am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eddie Hazel wuz robbed.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:16:57am

re: #198 Obdicut

He was 43 on the list that had Eddie Van Halen at 70.

I don’t recall when the other list came out. Five or so years ago, I guess.

200 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:16:59am
201 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:18:21am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wrong: Clapton # 1
Eddie Van Halen #80

202 iossarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:19:07am

No Mark Knopfler?

Duane Allman lol.

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:21:10am

BTW, I don’t think I’ll be here tomorrow. My 6 years anniversary at LGF is tomorrow. All this time and I’ve only done one downding, lobbied for by Jamesfirecat. Was worth it. Someone accused a former poster of being responsible for her own rape. Douchebag.
Either way, I just don’t downding. I kinda figure some people will hurt themselves if they don’t wear a helmet.
But I have received plenty of my own.
And, things sure have changed here on Walton’s Mountain.:)

204 iossarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:22:19am

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

BTW, I don’t think I’ll be here tomorrow. My 6 years anniversary at LFG is tomorrow. All this time and only I’ve only done one downding, lobbied for by Jamesfirecat. Was worth it. Someone accused a former poster of being responsible for her own rape. Douchebag.
Either way, I just don’t downding. I kinda figure some people will hurt themselves if they don’t wear a helmet.
But I have received plenty of my own.
And, things sure have changed here on Walton’s Mountain.:)

LFG: Liquid Fart Gas?

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:22:34am

Embrace the pencil!!!!

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:23:34am

re: #204 iossarian

LFG: Liquid Fart Gas?

I was in the middle of writing that and got the BSOD. Damn it!!!

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:23:40am

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

[Link: www.rollingstone.com…]

Just reporting folks…

208 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:27:46am

re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was in the middle of writing that and got the BSOD. Damn it!!!

BSOD! You have windows 3.1?

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:29:33am

re: #208 EdDantes

BSOD! You have windows 3.1?

This computer has no CD tray (I dropped it when it was open) and is 7 years old. Someone also spilled water on or near it a couple weeks ago (not the first time) If all I get is the BSOD, I’m cool.

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:30:57am

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m within a short time of my fifty-thousandth post. I’m hoping for good Karma between now and that posting to get to a 1:1 ratio. Watch out for some serious ding-whoring over the next few weeks.

By the way? Obdicut. That shirt you’re wearing makes your eyes look dreamy.

iossarian? This morning? Your hair is fantastic!

CCA? Congratulations on your anniversary. I consider you as a special internets friend.

EdDantes? I love Clapton, too.

Shropshire? I love that cartoon character.

RalphieBoy? You’re extra funny this morning.

211 diamonda2u  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:32:07am

re: #6 EmmmieG

This is why any primaries should be on one day… PERIOD. They should hold the primaries just like presidency, you get one day that the entire country votes. Having state primaries scattered across a 6 month or more calendar may have worked in the past but the vast amounts of money now being poured into elections shows that a change is needed in how we do things. It sure would cut big money down a little (maybe not a knees but maybe at the ankles). They’d definitely have to decide how to spend their money and where. A shortened election cycle also would get rid of this nauseating experience we all have been put thur, the endless republican primary debate season. Our elections have turned into a “reality tv show”. Really, on par with the Kardashians (wait, even the Kardashians have some value).

212 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:32:32am

I just fixed my furnace. Took about 20 minutes to figure out the freakin’ schematic and 3 minutes to fix. I am now a mechanical genius. Anyone have any heating/air questions they need answered?

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:32:35am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Downding number 2 right there.
/

214 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:33:13am

re: #212 RogueOne

I just fixed my furnace. Took about 20 minutes to figure out the freakin’ schematic and 3 minutes to fix. I am now a mechanical genius. Anyone have any heating/air questions they need answered?

What’s a furnace?

215 diamonda2u  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:33:22am

re: #12 Charles

As I said… our elections are all reality tv shows now.

216 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:34:09am

re: #214 Cannadian Club Akbar

What’s a furnace?

I’d love to move somewhere where they are completely unneeded. Still looking forward to retiring in Mexico.

217 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:34:47am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m a regular on the bottom rated list these days, often for some pretty mundane statements. I’ll be down to neutral karma soon enough. It’s all part of the fun of rattling cages and throwing elbows.

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:35:03am

re: #216 RogueOne

I’d love to move somewhere where they are completely unneeded. Still looking forward to retiring in Mexico.

We have fancy central heat/air here.
/

219 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:36:58am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

This computer has no CD tray (I dropped it when it was open) and is 7 years old. Someone also spilled water on or near it a couple weeks ago (not the first time) If all I get is the BSOD, I’m cool.

I know. Not your doing. :)

220 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:37:56am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Some people hold serious grudges. Sometimes people take ‘net disagreements a little too seriously.

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:38:43am

Looks like another shitty day ahead for the dow.

222 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:39:46am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am overwhelmed by your sincerity. Upding! And many more to come.

223 RogueOne  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:40:33am

I have to get running. Fuck you guys I’m outta here!//

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:41:52am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Honestly, it’s one of my shortfalls as a Lizard.

I really care about Karma, hot wired into my personality; the need to be liked.

I’ll fight it out once in a while, but if I have a serious disagreement with the majority of the “Lounge”; I’ll shut up and go away to not injure my Karma.

Pretty stupid, I know.

In real life? I’m a pretty fucking secure guy.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:43:12am

re: #222 EdDantes

Oh! My sincerity is one of my greatest attributes.

But, my fucking humility is “off the charts” awesome!

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:43:57am

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A good goal for here is to have a comment in the top comments and at the same time have one in the bottom comments. I think I’ve done it twice.:)

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:48:12am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

A good goal for here is to have a comment in the top comments and at the same time have one in the bottom comments. I think I’ve done it twice.:)

That would take some effort. I think I did it once.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:48:58am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That would take some effort. I think I did it once.

No it doesn’t. You suck!!

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:49:31am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That would take some effort. I think I did it once.

You are a very handsome man.

230 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:50:59am

Boker Tov, Lizardia!

This year will mark another “Black Friday” festivity that I will totally stay away from. I’ll be on my way to Canada to spend a nice weekend in Toronto. Maybe I’ll visit the mall while I’m there, but I totally do not like this U.S. custom of inciting shoppers into a murderous frenzy. I understand that some people love it! Gets the blood pumping or whatever. The trampling death of a Walmart employee is just the icing on the cake.

231 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:51:23am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Looks like another shitty day ahead for the dow.

Who’da thought suicide-cult politics would be bad for the economy?

232 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:52:24am

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rolling Stone has announced the top ten guitarists of all times.

1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Eric Clapton
3. Jimmy Page
4. Keith Richards
5. Jeff Beck
6. B.B. King
7. Chuck Berry
8. Eddie Van Halen
9. Duane Allman
10. Pete Townshend

Eddie Van Halen was #80 on the last list like this I saw at Rolling Stone.

Obviously, he took some lessons or something.

please! there is more to music than rock n roll!

although, for money jimi hendrix belongs at the top of any list of guitarists, and bb king near the top, the list leaves out some of the greatest guitarists of the twentieth century, such as django reinhardt, robert johnson, charlie christian, and mahavishnu john maclaughlin. i would also include good old jerry garcia, who by the way was a big fan of the argentinian guitarist oscar aleman

233 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:53:18am

re: #232 engineer dog

please! there is more to music than rock n roll!

although, for money jimi hendrix belongs at the top of any list of guitarists, and bb king near the top, the list leaves out some of the greatest guitarists of the twentieth century, such as django reinhardt, robert johnson, charlie christian, and mahavishnu john maclaughlin. i would also include good old jerry garcia, who by the way was a big fan of the argentinian guitarist oscar aleman

Julian Breem.
Andre Segovia.

234 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:53:37am
235 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:54:24am

Mornon, all. Positive karma is a useful measurement of a commenter’s shtick, like laughs for a comedian. What I can’t see, and would like to, is my total negative karma.

236 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:55:24am

re: #232 engineer dog

please! there is more to music than rock n roll!

although, for money jimi hendrix belongs at the top of any list of guitarists, and bb king near the top, the list leaves out some of the greatest guitarists of the twentieth century, such as django reinhardt, robert johnson, charlie christian, and mahavishnu john maclaughlin. i would also include good old jerry garcia, who by the way was a big fan of the argentinian guitarist oscar aleman

Needs moar Segovia.

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:56:46am

re: #232 engineer dog

(rolling stone magazine is dedicated to rock).

Robert Johnson was on the first Rolling Stone list (top 10, IIRC).

Let them get their own damn magazine.
/

238 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:01:06am

HOW THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE WAS DEVELOPED

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:03:40am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Sometimes, the fact that someone can’t down ding a post more than once; they’re so adamant against a recent assertion that they just add down-dings down the thread. Which is why the mundane still gets hit.

I hate that practice.

Every once in a while (very rarely) I’ll dust off CV to double up-ding something. But only for fantastically funny posts. I think I’ve done that three times ever.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:04:37am

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CV?

241 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:05:34am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

I’m a regular on the bottom rated list these days, often for some pretty mundane statements. I’ll be down to neutral karma soon enough. It’s all part of the fun of rattling cages and throwing elbows.

nothing wrong with getting downdings for stating your mind and standing up for your point of view

a blog discussion without passionate disagreements would surely be teh dull

242 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:06:19am

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

You are a very handsome man.

I know what you mean. Don’t get me wrong. but I’d let him lather me up and ride me like a big boy.You know what I’m sayin’.

243 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:09:27am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

butternut squash with three simple recipe ideas (video)

Our butternut and a few other winter squash are about 6” high.

244 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:10:47am

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

CV?

FBV’s sock.

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:11:41am

re: #244 Alouette

FBV’s sock.

I figured that. don’t know the actual name. (I also have a sock that has made one appearance)

246 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:11:52am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

I’m a regular on the bottom rated list these days, often for some pretty mundane statements. I’ll be down to neutral karma soon enough. It’s all part of the fun of rattling cages and throwing elbows.

There is redemption in SpaceJesus.

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:12:03am

re: #244 Alouette

FBV’s sock.

FBV is CV’s sock. I guess.

248 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:12:15am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Our butternut and a few other winter squash are about 6” high.

I have about 20 squash in my basement larder. Acorn, butternut and Burgess. Should be enough to last me through spring.

249 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:12:49am

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV is CV’s sock. I guess.

Yeah I think you did post here first as CV.

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:13:06am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

There is redemption in SpaceJesus.

I can remember when SJ’s karma looked like Bucks. Heh.

251 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:15:01am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I have about 20 squash in my basement larder. Acorn, butternut and Burgess. Should be enough to last me through spring.

The summer garden lasted so long that I didn’t get to cycle squash back in for Thanksgiving. (Not mad about squash, unless it’s a vehicle for parmigiana.)

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:15:54am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

I figured that. don’t know the actual name. (I also have a sock that has made one appearance)

Chubby Vegan. When I first came around here I was vegan, hence the nic. I re-registered after I abandoned veganism and felt dishonest. So, I took on the name of the character from Austin Powers and added the modifier.

253 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:17:00am

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chubby Vegan. When I first came around here I was vegan, hence the nic. I re-registered after I abandoned veganism and felt dishonest. So, I took on the name of the character from Austin Powers and added the modifier.

Yeah, but FB’s trademark was that he et bebbies.

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:17:15am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I have about 20 squash in my basement larder.

Hmmm. How many folks do I know with a “larder”?

If I add you to that list? Now? I have exactly one.

255 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:17:47am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

butternut squash with three simple recipe ideas (video)

I hate squash but I won’t down ding you. (Cretin)

256 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:18:33am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hmmm. How many folks do I know with a “larder”?

If I add you to that list? Now? I have exactly one.

What is a “larder”? Is that what we northerners call a “root cellar”?

257 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:19:45am

re: #256 Alouette

What is a “larder”? Is that what we northerners call a “root cellar”?

What we southern survivalists call a ‘hoard’.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:19:46am

re: #256 Alouette

What is a “larder”? Is that what we northerners call a “root cellar”?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:21:05am

re: #256 Alouette

What is a “larder”? Is that what we northerners call a “root cellar”?

Called a root cellar in the South too.

One of my pet peeves about Thanksgiving? All the sudden everybody talks like William Penn.

260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:21:55am

Yo lizz.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:22:12am

I gotta run. Y’all don’t forget to go back and up-ding everything I’ve ever posted here. Thanks!

262 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:22:15am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Called a root cellar in the South too.

One of my pet peeves about Thanksgiving? All the sudden everybody talks like William Penn.

What did William Penn have to do with Thanksgiving?

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:22:32am

My aunt had a cellar. Pool table, stereo, very cool.
My uncle had one. I think the debil lived innit.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:23:30am

re: #262 Alouette

What did William Penn have to do with Thanksgiving?

Why doth thee asketh, wench?
/

265 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:23:56am

In Oklahoma and thereabouts a larder is called a” pantry”. Not to be confused with “panty” which is the same all over.

266 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:24:13am

re: #262 Alouette

What did William Penn have to do with Thanksgiving?

If thou knows’t not, I cans’t explain it.

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:25:16am

Best Thanksgiving ever:

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:25:59am

re: #260 Sergey Romanov

Yo lizz.

With my odd obsession with serial killers, I ran across this guy. Did you know him?
///
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

269 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:26:31am

re: #267 Sergey Romanov

Best Thanksgiving ever:

I liked the “South Park” Thanksgiving episode, where they spoofed “Thor” and “The History Channel”

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:26:41am

re: #265 EdDantes

In Oklahoma and thereabouts a larder is called a” pantry”. Not to be confused with “panty” which is the same all over.

A lady down the street from me when I was growing up hung her panties on the line to dry. She was a big woman.

I swear they were a yard wide and four feet tall if they were an inch.

271 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:27:29am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A lady down the street from me when I was growing up hung her panties on the line to dry. She was a big woman.

I swear they were a yard wide and four feet tall if they were an inch.

You could sail a ship across the ocean by hanging that on the mast.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:28:33am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

There was an interesting special on him on HBO (IIRC) a few years back. Easier to be a serial killer when the government doesn’t want the public to know there is a serial killer.

In Soviet Russia… oh, forget it.

273 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:28:45am

re: #265 EdDantes

In Oklahoma and thereabouts a larder is called a” pantry”. Not to be confused with “panty” which is the same all over.

except in england where they are knickers

i tried to knickerbocker but she slapped me

274 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:29:37am

Our base in Italy had a large industrial mess hall for the airborne battalion, very young troops. At Thanksgiving the wives’ club would take over their kitchen and prepare the big meal. My wife was serving the line, when she heard:

“Hey, what’s all this?”

“Real food, cooked by women.”

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:30:47am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, who is he?
///

276 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:32:02am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hmmm. How many folks do I know with a “larder”?

If I add you to that list? Now? I have exactly one.

You’d be surprised I had one for ten years before I figured out what it was. Most houses here in Portland have them but people think they’re for storing old point cans.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:32:19am

re: #275 Sergey Romanov

No, who is he?
///

We need to start “Black Dolphin” tours. We’ll be rich!!!!
///

278 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:34:10am

re: #265 EdDantes

In Oklahoma and thereabouts a larder is called a” pantry”. Not to be confused with “panty” which is the same all over.

A pantry is unventilated. A larder has vents to the outside to bring in cool winter air.

279 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:39:01am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Then what’s a panty?

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:39:31am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

We need to start “Black Dolphin” tours. We’ll be rich!!!
///

The trick is not to enter but to leave.//

281 EdDantes  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:40:20am

Good night/morning/evening, everyone.

282 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:40:55am

re: #149 000G

Chinese Fund Managers Sentenced to Death after Cheating Investors out of 1 Billion USD

[Link: www.thechinamoneyreport.com…]

The Chinese do have clarity about them. I wonder if this kind of sentencing will act as a deterrent to future high stakes thieves.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:41:04am

re: #280 Sergey Romanov

The trick is not to enter but to leave.//

See, this is where we charge extra.:)

284 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:41:50am

re: #279 EdDantes

Then what’s a panty?

That’s something that hasn’t been seen on my bedroom floor for a very long time.

285 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:42:24am

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

See, this is where we charge extra.:)

We need to advertise it under another name tho. Black Dolphin is too dark. Hotel California, perhaps?

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 5:43:39am

re: #285 Sergey Romanov

We need to advertise it under another name tho. Black Dolphin is too dark. Hotel California, perhaps?

I think there is also a White Dolphin. We’ll trick ‘em!!

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:05:05am

Does anyone know what are good tourist destinations in Western Europe in winter? Not for active stuff, just sightseeing etc.

288 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:10:22am

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Does anyone know what are good tourist destinations in Western Europe in winter? Not for active stuff, just sightseeing etc.

If you’re Including Britain, Bath is a city that deserves to be visited at least once.

If you’re looking for peace and quiet, try Como, in Northern Italy.

If you want things a little warmer, do Barcelona. Amazing cultural attractions, weather is good.

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:11:30am

re: #288 Obdicut

Thanks, Obdi.

290 iossarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:11:34am

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Does anyone know what are good tourist destinations in Western Europe in winter? Not for active stuff, just sightseeing etc.

I like Paris, in the winter, when it drizzles.

291 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:12:57am

re: #290 iossarian

I like Paris, in the winter, when it drizzles.

I don’t like Paris because they make fun of my rustic French. I’m fluent in French but apparently sound like a total hayseed, the equivalent of a “By dadgum I ain’t gonna letcher gettaway with that boy nohow nosiree I reckon”.

292 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:13:51am

re: #290 iossarian

Love Paris, but been there this summer, so it’s a bit of an overload :)

293 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:13:59am

re: #291 Obdicut

I don’t like Paris because they make fun of my rustic French. I’m fluent in French but apparently sound like a total hayseed, the equivalent of a “By dadgum I ain’t gonna letcher gettaway with that boy nohow nosiree I reckon”.

Paris is a fantastic city but it’s just so damn expensive.

294 iossarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:18:59am

re: #292 Sergey Romanov

Love Paris, but been there this summer, so it’s a bit of an overload :)

I just put that in for the cheap quote (though I do like Paris).

Lots of great places in Western Europe, obviously. I have had good winter weekends in Amsterdam, Munich and Berlin (to name three), if you want museums/culture/sights along with warm food in cozy bars.

I personally think Southern Europe is better visited at a warmer time of the year (if you can avoid the crowds).

295 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:25:31am

Hello from L.A.
Category-Bad Ads

Seen on local news-Some Vodka brand has a billboard in bad taste

“Christmas Quality
Hanukkah Pricing”

296 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:26:31am

re: #295 Rightwingconspirator

Alouette has a page on that.

297 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:28:00am

re: #296 Sergey Romanov

Ooops. I gotta read more before I post. Thx.

298 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:30:55am

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Does anyone know what are good tourist destinations in Western Europe in winter? Not for active stuff, just sightseeing etc.

Well, I visited Frankfurt in November in 2008. Was totally not dressed for the cold weather, because we had just come from Israel. But we did visit the old Jewish quarter where there is a beautiful 19th-Century synagogue. At the time we visited, there had just been a stabbing attack so there was police and security guards everywhere, and the most UNFRIENDLY Jews we ever met, anywhere—except for one old Moroccan man who saw us in the street and wanted to speak Hebrew with us.

299 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:33:37am

re: #296 Sergey Romanov

Alouette has a page on that.

Update: the billboard has been taken down.

300 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:42:15am

Hoping Y’all have a great Thanksgiving weekend!!
I’ll be traveling 3 whole blocks to dine and play games with the grandkids…
Turkey and a Venison roast!!( the other dark meat!)
If your traveling?? Arrive safe and sound !!(it’s going to snow here!)
I’ve allowed myself 3 or 4 lb gain because I’ll work it off Friday and Saturday
finishing the base and casing in our living room …That will a challenge in a 109 year old home!
4 day weekend Woo Hoo!!

301 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:42:40am

re: #298 Alouette

Heh, I visit Frankfurt each time, since it’s not far from where I stay (esp. as I always arrive at Frankfurt Airport anyway).

> At the time we visited, there had just been a stabbing attack

Last time you were talking about your travel to Moscow there also had just been a stabbing attack. Do you just choose such places? ///

302 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:43:43am

re: #301 Sergey Romanov

Heg, I visit Frankfurt each time, since it’s not far from where I stay (esp. as I always arrive at Frankfurt Airport anyway).

> At the time we visited, there had just been a stabbing attack

Last time you were talking about your travel to Moscow there also had just been a stabbing attack. Do you just choose such places? ///

We were in Moscow in 2007. We just like going to stabby places (although we avoid the rapey places)

303 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:48:44am

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why doth thee asketh, winch?
/

Thou mean’st “wench.” (Unless you’re talking to that contraption on the front of your 4x4.)

304 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:50:33am

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Does anyone know what are good tourist destinations in Western Europe in winter? Not for active stuff, just sightseeing etc.

If I can ever go to Europe I’d have to go to the
Netherlands ..Isle of Texell and meet my distant relatives there.
But Winter? Austria or Switzerland!!…No question!

305 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:55:56am

Mornin’ everyone…

306 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:56:27am

Fun debate review:

This is not to say it was devoid of moments. Rick Santorum said that Africa was a country. (I think, after the success of that flub two debates ago, each of the recurring characters is contractually obligated to reprise it at least once, as long as the show runs.) Michele Bachmann referred to a mysterious entrepreneur named Steve Gates. Newt Gingrich made the somewhat wild-eyed suggestion that we could collapse the price of oil within a year by boosting U.S. production. Rick Perry said he favored the Monroe Doctrine, but you had the sense that it was only because he thought she was so good in Some Like It Hot.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

307 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:08:24am

What the HELL…Everyone hit the shower at the same time??
…no wonder I have no hot water….DAMN!
Have abetter than average day….bbl

308 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:10:31am

Looks like everyone’s gone on vacation early. Can’t blame ‘em though. Anything to get out of a debate review.

309 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:15:05am

re: #307 reloadingisnotahobby

What the HELL…Everyone hit the shower at the same time??
…no wonder I have no hot water…DAMN!
Have abetter than average day…bbl

And NJD dropped the soap!

310 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:15:39am

re: #308 lawhawk

Looks like everyone’s gone on vacation early. Can’t blame ‘em though. Anything to get out of a debate review.

Mostly outside prepping my cook area. We have kids coming from distances, so Thanksgiving turns into a three day meal cycle. Today is Little Thanksgiving, ham-based. Tomorrow is the living museum bit. Both ham and turkey are done on the Webber, a skill learned in Korea when our stove blew up and the paperwork for a new one was undoable. The weather is going to let us do everything on long tables on the screen porch this year.

311 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:16:47am

Okay, okay…I’ve got dogs to run, groceries to pick up, brine to prep, and three pies to make…yes, I get a day off work!

312 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:17:17am

re: #310 Decatur Deb
Thanksgiving without SNOW??
…That must really suck!!…///

313 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:17:18am

CBO: Stimulus added up to 3.3M jobs

The economy would have been in much worse shape without the 2009 stimulus — which increased employment in the third quarter of this year by as many as 3.3 million full-time jobs, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.

Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates have blasted the $800 billion pumped into the economy through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act as a waste of taxpayer dollars that failed to put people back to work.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:18:48am

What is the over/under on torched houses from frying turkeys this year?

315 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:18:54am

re: #311 darthstar

…the dogs run you.. you just think…

316 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:19:46am

re: #312 reloadingisnotahobby

Thanksgiving without SNOW??
…That must really suck!!…///

We will have snow at Christmas—the downtown merchants arrange to cover a parking lot 6 inches deep for the kids. It will last most of 2 days. That’s exactly as much snow as I need.

317 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:20:50am

re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is the over/under on torched houses from frying turkeys this year?

Ask that nice black guy on the insurance commercials.

318 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:21:57am

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Ask that nice black guy on the insurance commercials.

Dennis Haysbert? (or whatever. I don’t watch much TV so I’m not sure)

319 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:22:06am

When Internet memes collide…
Pepper-badger

320 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:22:37am

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Ask that nice black guy on the insurance commercials.

He is the guy who played the President of the United States for several seasons on “24”

Obama was elected because people got used to seeing a Black President on TV!


//

321 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:23:00am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

It didn’t put everybody back to work, so it failed…

322 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:23:19am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

When I lived in Calif I’d go snow sking in Big Bear and bring a
truck load back for neighborhood kids to play in.
Change into shorts and wash the truck and watch
then throw snowballs..LOL
Only in So.Cal!

323 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:23:49am

re: #315 reloadingisnotahobby

…the dogs run you.. you just think…

The dogs prefer to stop, pee, and interrupt any running momentum I can build up. But today I bring the frisbee, so Banjo will be running, jumping, catching, and swimming…he’ll get a good workout.

324 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:23:58am

Kosher organic turducken: only $300.

(Would it be too offensive to say “Hanukkah flavor, Christmas prices”)

325 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:24:43am

re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dennis Haysbert? (or whatever. I don’t watch much TV so I’m not sure)

re: #320 Alouette

He is the guy who played the President of the United States for several seasons on “24”


//

Don’t know him, but he has a really good “buddy” projection. Great in a salesman.

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:25:27am

re: #325 Decatur Deb

re: #320 Alouette

Don’t know him, but he has a really good “buddy” projection. Great in a salesman.

He was also Cerrano in the movie “Major League”.

327 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:26:10am

re: #324 Alouette

Kosher organic turducken: only $300.

(Would it be too offensive to say “Hanukkah flavor, Christmas prices”)

does it come halal?

328 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:26:15am

re: #324 Alouette

Kosher organic turducken: only $300.

That’s real? We had a hideous overnight thread on that a couple years ago.

329 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:27:29am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Put another way, had the ARRA of 2009 not been passed, the unemployment rate would not be hovering around 9%, but would be at or above 10 in the most recent quarter..

Instead of 13.9 million unemployed, we’d be looking at 17.2 million unemployed. And the U-6 rates would be even higher.

The ARRA of 2009 ended up keeping an already bad situation from being a whole lot worse (and things were and continue to be pretty damned bad for some parts of the country).

330 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:27:40am

Time to fire up. BBL.

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:27:44am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

That’s real? We had a hideous overnight thread on that a couple years ago.

You can find out for only $300.

332 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:27:50am

re: #327 ralphieboy

does it come halal?

Actually yes.

333 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:28:51am

re: #324 Alouette

Kosher organic turducken: only $300.

(Would it be too offensive to say “Hanukkah flavor, Christmas prices”)

Does it taste as it sounds?

334 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:29:28am

re: #324 Alouette

Kosher organic turducken: only $300.

I keep meaning to make one of those…I’m guessing it would help to debone the duck and the chicken. I’ve never deboned a turkey before, but I suppose if you did all three then strung it up it would be like a big roast…but christ there would be a lot of fat rendered.

335 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:29:47am

Ugh. Playing catch-up this morning.

I got home from class yesterday intending to finalize my edits for a business plan draft due at midnight. I slept for over 12 hours and woke up to an e-mail from the professor asking if I’d sent it in. WTF. Now I’m scrambling to get it to him ASAP.

Have a good one, Lizards! This might take me a while.

336 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:29:57am
337 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:30:05am

a serious turn of events in the ME….things are warming up fast over there, and Assad is on the hot seat….maybe he will be at the wrong place at the right time and catch…cold
[Link: m.albawaba.com…]

338 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:30:58am

re: #332 Alouette

Actually yes.

Yep…it is deboned. Thanks.

339 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:31:21am

re: #336 lawhawk

Speaking of clashing memes, Anonymous has let it be known that they’re going after the cop, John Pike, in the pepper spray incident.

LOL. One case of stalking when I surely don’t give a fuck.

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:32:39am

re: #336 lawhawk

Speaking of clashing memes, Anonymous has let it be known that they’re going after the cop, John Pike, in the pepper spray incident.

A FB friend of mine (who is an actual communist) posted all Pike’s info.

341 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:33:19am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

A FB friend of mine (who is an actual communist) posted all Pike’s info.

That’s just wrong.

342 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:34:23am

re: #341 darthstar

That’s just wrong.

I agree. He has a slight problem with authority even when they aren’t doing anything wrong.

343 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:34:41am

For years I’ve wanted to make kosher goose. It used to be available at our local kosher grocer for Hanukkah, but I haven’t seen it for a long time. Geese are tough to raise, mean varmints, difficult to slaughter and horrible to clean. Butchers prefer turkeys.

Hungarians sure do love ‘em some roast goose.

344 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:34:51am

re: #341 darthstar
Talk about an “I wouldn’t do that if I were you”moment!!

345 simoom  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:36:44am

What’s been odd about all these primary debates is how often the questioners have been actual GOP elected officials, fmr. GOP elected officials who are still active in the GOP establishment, GOP think-tank fellows & CEOs who are active GOP partisans. What I mean is, any time the debates devolve into softball GOP-framed questions, or a network is doing some cinematic, patriotic, intro-montage with all the candidates introduced like WWF superstars who then mug for the camera during the singing of the national anthem… well, these are supposed to be critical, adversarial debates where the press gets the opportunity to vet the candidates… not hours of unpaid airtime (for GOP messaging) on major media networks. Maybe I’m mis-remembering the 2008 Primary Season but I can’t recall anything like what’s been happening this year.

Then again, I suppose indulging the media’s excesses can go too far in the other direction too: I can remember an ABC debate where something like the first hour was spent not on policy questions but on idiocy like, “Who loves their country more, you or Rev. Wright? How do you feel about Pres. Clinton being called the First Black President? Weren’t you patronizing voters with your “bitter” comments? What took you so long in disassociating yourself from Rev. Wright? If you get the nomination how will you deal with his sermons being played over and over on TV? Do you really believe he’s as patriotic as you are? All our servicemen, policemen and EMS wear the flag — Sen. Obama, you don’t — do you believe in the American flag?” etc.

Am I wrong in thinking these debates haven’t been nearly as adversarial as previous election season’s primary debates?

346 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:38:00am

Fire Siren is going off…Who the hell deep fries there Turkey
the day before??..

347 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:38:02am

re: #336 lawhawk

Speaking of clashing memes, Anonymous has let it be known that they’re going after the cop, John Pike, in the pepper spray incident.

great. now he gets to be held up as a “victim of OWS persecution”…

348 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:38:48am

re: #339 Sergey Romanov

LOL. One case of stalking when I surely don’t give a fuck.

He probably has a wife and kids that are scared shitless about the threats. If he was criminally negligent the courts should handle it. Vigilantism is a really bad idea, especially for things that aren’t illegal.

349 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:39:06am

re: #343 Alouette

For years I’ve wanted to make kosher goose. It used to be available at our local kosher grocer for Hanukkah, but I haven’t seen it for a long time. Geese are tough to raise, mean varmints, difficult to slaughter and horrible to clean. Butchers prefer turkeys.

Hungarians sure do love ‘em some roast goose.

We raised geese when I was a kid…bastards shat all over the place. Butchering them isn’t so bad…just chop the head off and let ‘em go play in the yard for five or ten minutes. Plucking them is a matter of technique. Start at the ass and pluck up toward the head…but then there are the “pin feathers” - those little suckers are a pain to pull. It was at this point that my dad pulled out the acetylene torch and gave the birds a 10 second brush with a 1700 degree flame…no more pin feathers.

350 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:40:05am

Obama raffles off another dinner with donors

“We’re taking names for the next dinner starting now,” Obama writes in an e-mail to supporters, “and this time I want to add a new feature: If you win, you can bring a guest.”
“These dinners are important to me because I want to spend time whenever I can with the people who sent me here,” Obama writes.

good grief…I find this sort of crap tasteless

[Link: content.usatoday.com…]

351 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:41:07am
352 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:41:30am

re: #350 albusteve

Obama raffles off another dinner with donors

“We’re taking names for the next dinner starting now,” Obama writes in an e-mail to supporters, “and this time I want to add a new feature: If you win, you can bring a guest.”
“These dinners are important to me because I want to spend time whenever I can with the people who sent me here,” Obama writes.

good grief…I find this sort of crap tasteless

[Link: content.usatoday.com…]

I’d bring Mitt Romney…just so he could say he made it to the White House.

353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:42:02am

re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar

He was also Cerrano in the movie “Major League”.

He was also the Nice Black Guy™ in this great Douglas Sirk sendup, Far From Heaven

My fave of his, though is this little oddity called Suture (1993). He was cute in it.

354 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:43:10am

re: #352 darthstar

I’d bring Mitt Romney…just so he could say he made it to the White House.

I’d bring some filthy, smelly, foul mouthed, uppity homeless guy

355 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:43:31am

re: #352 darthstar
…or Newt!!
Black Tie FOOD FIGHT ..LOL

356 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:43:48am

re: #354 albusteve

I’d bring some filthy, smelly, foul mouthed, uppity homeless guy

Wow…I’m touched. I’d love to go to the White House with you.

357 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:43:50am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

He probably has a wife and kids that are scared shitless about the threats.

They should think of separating from such a human being anyway.

If he was criminally negligent the courts should handle it. Vigilantism is a really bad idea, especially for things that aren’t illegal.

If the Anon is criminally negligent, the courts will handle this situation. “It does not personally bother me”, as they say.

358 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:44:28am

re: #356 darthstar

Wow…I’m touched. I’d love to go to the White House with you.

good one

359 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:45:04am

re: #354 albusteve

I’d bring some filthy, smelly, foul mouthed, uppity homeless guy

Let me check my calendar……
Nope!I’m going to the Spa that day…./

360 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:45:21am

re: #355 reloadingisnotahobby

…or Newt!!
Black Tie FOOD FIGHT ..LOL

I’d rather sell the guest seat on e-Bay than bring Newt.

361 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:46:15am

re: #359 reloadingisnotahobby

Let me check my calendar…
Nope!I’m going panhandling in front of to the Spa that day…/

Fixed to keep it real.

362 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:48:00am

re: #361 darthstar

Fixed to keep it real.

Didn’t a woman in NYC act homeless and hang out in front of high end stores and pull in 6 figures years ago? Tax free, IIRC.

363 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:49:10am

re: #357 Sergey Romanov

They should think of separating from such a human being anyway.

If the Anon is criminally negligent, the courts will handle this situation. “It does not personally bother me”, as they say.

Would you be fine if the wingnuts did the same thing? Publishing personal information, SS#, home address of protesters and inviting the public to take retribution on them? If Breitbart was doing the same thing I bet you’d be outraged.

364 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:49:32am

re: #359 reloadingisnotahobby

Let me check my calendar…
Nope!I’m going to the Spa that day…/

I’m too busy growing arugula. Sorry.

365 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:49:57am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Who did the protesters spray in the face with pepper spray without a reason?

366 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:50:33am

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

Used to be many panhandlers had nice homes in the burbs…and a minivan in the garage….Now days it’s a box in an alley!

367 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:50:50am

Five illegal immigrants armed with at least two AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole known as Mesquite Seep just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and one U.S. agent was killed, records show.

the border is safer than ever…

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]

368 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:51:40am

re: #343 Alouette

Don’t know if you’re still looking, but here.
Image: 314378_10150396534459091_577414090_8863154_1325178362_n.jpg

369 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:52:24am

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn’t a woman in NYC act homeless and hang out in front of high end stores and pull in 6 figures years ago? Tax free, IIRC.

The Man with the Twisted Lip.

370 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:52:40am

re: #365 Sergey Romanov

Who did the protesters spray in the face with pepper spray without a reason?

How about throwing bottles, rocks, books or batteries? Even Breitbart isn’t stooping so low as to publish personal information of protesters and soliciting his fans to deliver vigilante justice. He’s done some pretty awful things.

371 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:52:43am

I remember this song…so pretty…but hard to dance to.
Image: 386764_10150397007344091_577414090_8864278_707973995_n.jpg

372 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:52:52am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

If the cops or someone else published the home address of people that had attacked the cops, I wouldn’t be outraged, no. Like those idiots with the fireworks. I wouldn’t think it was great, but not outrageous.

If they published the addresses of people who just passively resisted arrest, that’d be shitty.

I do think both are improper, and I don’t think it does any fucking good and it’s encouraging vigilantism, but the information is pretty freely available for anyone who actually gives a fuck. And anyone who actually does anything vigilante-style should and deserves to go to jail.

373 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:53:56am

re: #368 darthstar

Don’t know if you’re still looking, but here.
Image: 314378_10150396534459091_577414090_8863154_1325178362_n.jpg

Thanks!

374 Donna Ballard  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:54:21am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m within a short time of my fifty-thousandth post. I’m hoping for good Karma between now and that posting to get to a 1:1 ratio. Watch out for some serious ding-whoring over the next few weeks.

By the way? Obdicut. That shirt you’re wearing makes your eyes look dreamy.

iossarian? This morning? Your hair is fantastic!

CCA? Congratulations on your anniversary. I consider you as a special internets friend.

EdDantes? I love Clapton, too.

Shropshire? I love that cartoon character.

RalphieBoy? You’re extra funny this morning.

Good Morning FBV, I very rarely do anything but up-ding your posts! Your sense of humor never fails to crack me up. No need to be so sweet, your sarcasm really does it for me. ;-)

375 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:55:17am

re: #370 Killgore Trout

If they found some protester who threw something and injured someone, I won’t be bothered if his info is revealed.

Well, anyway, interesting that you suddenly found a subject to project your well-hidden empathy on. And this object is the pepper-spraying cop, not his victims.

376 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:55:42am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way? Obdicut. That shirt you’re wearing makes your eyes look dreamy.

No, they’re always that way. Let me just take the shirt off and you can see.

Better take the pants off, too.

377 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:56:20am

re: #336 lawhawk

Speaking of clashing memes, Anonymous has let it be known that they’re going after the cop, John Pike, in the pepper spray incident.

Those people are going to get somebody hurt or killed. Anon will be as much to blame as the fire breathing anti abortion people when a doctor gets shot or hurt.

378 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:56:43am

more propaganda from the feds…this time from the GOA

WASHINGTON — People entering the U.S. illegally from Mexico are believed responsible for more than one-third of human-ignited wildfires in Arizona over a five-year period, according to a government report that could stoke congressional debate over illegal immigration.

who would believe such brazen lies?

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]

379 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:57:02am

re: #375 Sergey Romanov

For example, here’s the Manchester police naming everyone convicted in a riot:

[Link: mashable.com…]

On Twitter, no less.

And yet I manage to not give a fuck.

380 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:57:50am

re: #377 Rightwingconspirator

Those people are going to get somebody hurt or killed. Anon will be as much to blame as the fire breathing anti abortion people when a doctor gets shot or hurt.

That’s a very good point. The wingnuts have been doing the same with abortion doctors. It’s despicable.

381 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:58:00am

re: #363 Killgore Trout
I believe the “Protesters”had areas that they were permitted to excesses 1st Amendment rights….if they were infringing the rights of others then this sort
of thing WILL happen!
I have not read anywhere that the officer took it upon himself to spray them
just for shits and giggles…If I’m wrong?… help me out!
…Although…he is quit casual about it

382 iossarian  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:58:39am

Once again it pretty much boils down to whose side you’re on. Guys in sharp suits taking all the money, and the system that enables them?

Or the rest of us?

I too am finding it hard to be outraged about people posting this guy’s information. Maybe he shouldn’t have pepper-sprayed a bunch of peaceful activists in the face.

A friend of a friend apparently sold two houses in London last week for $10 million each, to Greeks. The ones with money are getting it out.

That’s the attitude of the 1% to the rest of us: milk the system, and then cash out before the crash, and leave the peons to stick out the “austerity”. Fuck them.

383 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:58:47am

re: #379 Obdicut

Is it from that time when stupid fucks were on a senseless destruction bout? Good. I support it. (The police, that is.)

384 darthstar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:59:43am

re: #375 Sergey Romanov

I believe the cop should be punished…week or two of suspension without pay…three month stint at a boring desk job like monitoring the evidence locker…and then it’s history. I don’t believe he should be haunted by everyone on the internet…most people are just posting his info to blow off steam, but some are hoping some asshole brave/crazy/unhinged enough finds the time to act on their fantasies…and that is wrong. 100% wrong. This guy probably has a family. They, too, get put in danger when his address is published. He’s definitely got neighbors. “You torched 1245 Pleasant Street? He lives at 1254!” All sorts of bad can come of this.

385 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:00:20am

re: #372 Obdicut

Let’s not forget…this man carries a GUN!!
If he or his family would be threatened he would use it!!
As would I!

386 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:01:09am

BRADLEY Manning, the US soldier alleged to have passed to WikiLeaks a trove of military and diplomatic documents, will have a first hearing before a military court in Fort Meade, Maryland, next month, the Pentagon said yesterday.

16mo in the hole, he’s probably a zombie by now

[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au…]

387 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:01:17am

re: #384 darthstar

Posting his personal information is over the line, no question. HOWEVER, there do need to be professional consequences for his cavalier malice in pepper spraying a bunch of passive, seated students for no goddamn reason.

388 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:01:42am

re: #380 Killgore Trout

It’s also a point I’ll be making at their site. And it needs to be said at their GA.

389 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:01:46am

re: #381 reloadingisnotahobby

I believe the “Protesters”had areas that they were permitted to excesses 1st Amendment rights…if they were infringing the rights of others then this sort
of thing WILL happen!
I have not read anywhere that the officer took it upon himself to spray them
just for shits and giggles…If I’m wrong?… help me out!
…Although…he is quit casual about it

Some of the MSM did their homework and consulted police officers to look at the tape. Most seemed to say it is standard procedure in many cases. To avoid scuffles, fights and baton wounds it’s safer for everybody to use pepper spray to subdue the suspect before arresting them.
It probably wasn’t his decision and was probably established procedure. The university may change the rules but I don’t think it was his decision to make.

390 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:01:55am

Protestor’s miscarriage claim questioned

A Seattle teenager’s claim that abuse by Seattle police caused her to miscarry has become a viral Internet sensation of the Occupy Wall Street movement, but no evidence has emerged to support her allegation.

Jennifer M. Fox, 19, has accused police of kicking her and hitting her in the stomach with a bicycle during a Nov. 15 Occupy Seattle protest, even after she yelled: “I’m pregnant,” then dousing her with pepper spray. A viral video shows her reeling from the pepper spray, but not being struck.

Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit, and her family has cast doubt on the claim.

391 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:02:14am

re: #383 Sergey Romanov

Is it from that time when stupid fucks were on a senseless destruction bout? Good. I support it. (The police, that is.)

One of the many times, but yeah.

I’d like to know if I live next to a violent asshole, personally.

The abortion doctor comparison doesn’t work for me. Abortion doctors are under threat from absolute religious fanatics who have shown a history of murdering them, blowing up clinics, etc. Anon, which, again, I think are in general a bunch of troll shithead wannabees, have a history of making harassing phone calls, ordering pizzas to show up at the people’s houses, etc. I think that’s shitty behavior but it’s not similar to murder.

If internet hacktivist jerkholes actually start blowing shit up, then I’m going to care a lot more.

And this is nothing fucking new. Anon has been doing this to people for years, and apparently people care now because the guy is a cop who thinks pepper-spray is a vegetable.

392 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:02:39am

re: #387 Lidane

Agreed. A great case for due process.

393 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:03:19am

re: #388 Rightwingconspirator

It’s also a point I’ll be making at their site. And it needs to be said at their GA.

Kudos to you. Keep up the good work.

394 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:03:37am

re: #387 Lidane

for no goddamn reason.

I agree …if the above is true!

395 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:04:58am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Some of the MSM did their homework and consulted police officers to look at the tape. Most seemed to say it is standard procedure in many cases. To avoid scuffles, fights and baton wounds it’s safer for everybody to use pepper spray to subdue the suspect before arresting them.
It probably wasn’t his decision and was probably established procedure. The university may change the rules but I don’t think it was his decision to make.

Yes it was his decision to make. Every sort of guideline says that it’s up to the cops judgement at the scene what level of force to use. Cops aren’t robots; they can say “We didn’t bring enough people for this, we’re not set up for this, we can’t do this without bad shit happening.”

Furthermore, the guidelines on pepper spray use include it not being sprayed directly in people’s faces; it’s supposed to be used in a cloud, from a distance, to disperse a crowd. It’s not supposed to be used to just hose people down. When it is used on an individual, it’s really supposed to be because otherwise you’re going to have to restrain the dude.

I defend cops all the time. I defended the cop that shot Oscar Grant, for fuck’s sake. We ask cops to do a lot of stuff that results in them getting in trouble. But in this case, the cop really could have triggered a riot by what he did, which is really fucking stupid. It’s a good thing the protesters showed more cool and calm than he did.

396 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:05:07am

re: #391 Obdicut

Yep. The analogy with murderers of abortion providers is tortured at best. Nothing’s gonna happen except maybe some social ostracism (which is long overdue).

397 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:05:29am

re: #384 darthstar

I’m with you. The officer deserves to be punished - through the legal system. Whether that includes criminal charges is up to the local prosecutor, but the police department should seriously consider desk duty and other administrative measures to deal with the unnecessary use of force under the circumstances. And that doesn’t include the inievitable civil suits against the PD and officer that are likely to follow.

I simply can’t condone the vigilantism that Anon is proposing against the officer and potentially affecting his family.

398 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:05:49am

re: #394 reloadingisnotahobby

I have yet to see anyone provide a reason why those kids had to be pepper sprayed at point blank range when there was plenty of room in the quad for people to move around and when they weren’t hurting anyone.

The cops were in full riot gear and the kids were unarmed and seated. Show me who is more threatening in that situation.

400 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:06:35am

re: #396 Sergey Romanov

Yep. The analogy with murderers of abortion providers is tortured at best. Nothing’s gonna happen except maybe some social ostracism (which is long overdue).

It might. It’s possible. Things change. Maybe there really is going to be radicalization of anarchists who actually start bomb-throwing and murdering people. I don’t think so, but it’s possible. But until there’s any real signs of it, I think we can assume that probably it’ll be harassing phone calls and other jerktastic things, all of which I think are shitty but are small potatoes compared to what else is going on.

401 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:06:55am

re: #398 Lidane

And the tents were already being taken down.

402 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:07:28am

re: #391 Obdicut

In an instance I hope to be wrong, I can see public outing of personal info like this inspiring a black bloc asshole into hurting this man or his family. Perhaps by accident in some serious mischief.

I look at it like this-We all understand our choices when we decide to blog openly or discreetly. For police that is a far larger issue. They make enemies among felons all through a career. Though I have no idea how long our infamous cop has served.

403 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:07:53am

re: #372 Obdicut

I am always stunned by how much personal information on citizens law enforcement in the US releases.

Nasty example of the consequences:
[Link: www.wired.com…]

404 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:08:33am

Occupy Wall Street’s Latest Plan: Refuse to Repay Student Loan Debt

The strategy behind the campaign is that if one million students refuse to pay back their student loan debt, the group will suffer minimal consequences due to safety in numbers. But also incorporated in the student-debt refusal pledge is a willingness to help draw attention to the progressive rise in tuition costs, and the calamitous effect such inflationary maneuvers have had on student debt loads.

[Link: www.thenewamerican.com…]

405 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:08:36am

re: #400 Obdicut

Another point is, he could actually stop all this by, you know, publicly apologizing.

406 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:10:56am

re: #398 Lidane

I’m not arguing with you….As Lawhawk points out ..the definition of” use of force” gets muddy when the perp…is a uniformed officer vs. a civilian etc!
..I’ll wait for investigation to be compete!

407 Donna Ballard  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:11:07am

Perhaps a banning of pepper spray usage during protests should be implemented? For heavens sake, this is a American right being exercised, our country was founded on such protests! Hence the “Boston Tea Party”! Campus police and police who work for the city should only use force if extreme violence breaks out, anything else is fascist and inappropriate under the circumstances. They should not be allowed to carry anything worse that a baton during this type of action. This whole thing is distasteful and I’m not sure how much longer John Q. Public will tolerate this kind of behavior on the part of the police. If riots break out again I’m gonna barricade myself in our apartment and hide!

408 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:11:17am

re: #402 Rightwingconspirator

In an instance I hope to be wrong, I can see public outing of personal info this inspiring imagine a black bloc asshole hurting this man or his family. Perhaps by accident in some serious mischief.

It’s possible, but I don’t know of any case of 4chan or anyone doing this leading to an actual physical assault. This would be a first. And even if the anti-abortion assholes didn’t publicly post addresses, I”m sure the driven ones who actually murder would do the research on their own. The publishing addresses is meant to intimidate, it’s sucky, but the real problem is the actual murder. I really doubt many anti-choice assholes go “Gee, I’d love to kill an abortion doctor, but I have no way of finding out where they live! if only!”

I look at it like this-We all understand our choices when we decide to blog openly or discreetly. For police that is a far larger issue. They make enemies among felons all through a career. Though I have no idea how long our infamous cop has served.

Sure. But addresses for people are pretty damn easy to find, for anyone sufficiently motivated. It’s nearly impossible, without spending serious energy on it, to hide your address. Tom Waits manages it, mostly by having all his bills and stuff in other people’s names and having a small, intimate circle of friends.

But in general, it’s an attempt at security through obscurity, which doesn’t work.

409 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:13:02am

re: #407 Dragon_Lady

Perhaps a banning of pepper spray usage during protests should be implemented? For heavens sake, this is a American right being exercised, our country was founded on such protests! Hence the “Boston Tea Party”! Campus police and police who work for the city should only use force if extreme violence breaks out, anything else is fascist and inappropriate under the circumstances. They should not be allowed to carry anything worse that a baton during this type of action. This whole thing is distasteful and I’m not sure how much longer John Q. Public will tolerate this kind of behavior on the part of the police. If riots break out again I’m gonna barricade myself in our apartment and hide!

a baton is a serious, lethal weapon….I’d rather be sprayed than pounded with a club anyday

410 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:15:34am

Fox News is wigging out about the Michelle Bachman’s treatment by Jimmy Fallon.

How is everyone?

411 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:15:49am

re: #401 Obdicut

And the tents were already being taken down.

Exactly. The tents were being cleared and the demonstrators were going to move anyway. That’s why there was no goddamn reason to pepper spray anyone at point blank range. It was a blatant use of excessive force.

412 Donna Ballard  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:16:52am

re: #409 albusteve

a baton is a serious, lethal weapon…I’d rather be sprayed than pounded with a club anyday

Oh, I don’t mean for pounding on people with! Sorry I should have been more clear. I meant for using to push people with, no taking their hands off the baton or hitting people, the police should be more “Peace Keeper” than punishers.

413 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:17:02am

re: #410 ggt

Fox News is wigging out about the Michelle Bachman’s treatment by Jimmy Fallon.

And yet they have no problem with the abuse heaped on Michelle Obama on the right.

414 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:17:34am

re: #404 albusteve

That’s not going to end well for the students attempting that - they’ll find themselves in bigger trouble.

The student loan system is screwed up, and it has as much to do with the free flowing subsidies to colleges/universities that allow them to consistently increase tuition outpacing inflation by a considerable margin without any ill-effects. Students can’t possible afford the tuition levels at present, let alone the debt burden going forward (and which can be equivalent to a home mortgage under certain circumstances - going to private university and then to a graduate school program). No discharge under bankruptcy. No alternatives.

As they say, it’s the next big bubble to collapse, and the colleges and university system are going to have to deal with it - regardless of whether they’re public or private. They might not feel it right away (since student loans are disbursed directly to the schools at the beginning of the school semesters), but if fewer students attend college because of it, they wont be able to afford the infrastructure/programs they’ve built up and will have to severely cut expenditures; reducing payroll, benefits, and/or close departments and programs.

It’s a mess that is just around the corner.

415 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:19:14am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

It probably wasn’t his decision and was probably established procedure.

Godwin aside, that’s identical to saying “he was just following orders”.

416 Donna Ballard  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:21:19am

My sinuses are killing me this morning, I’m gonna go back to the couch and lay down. Later Lizards! Keep Laughing!

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:21:40am

re: #414 lawhawk

Please gimme a short version of what I can expect, going back to college in January. I have done all my financial aid stuff done but need to go down to talk to them. (My tuition is only $1600 plus books for Spring)

418 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:22:03am

re: #415 000G

Godwin aside, that’s identical to saying “he was just following orders”.

Pretty much.

419 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:23:26am

re: #413 Lidane

And yet they have no problem with the abuse heaped on Michelle Obama on the right.

#1 The first Lady is not Running for Elected Office!!
#2 The First Lady has never been INVITED to appear on nation TV infront of millions of viewers and then abused by the host!
If I’m wrong …fill me in please!
I’m no fan of Bachman…( she off her nut)But Fallon and his Producers are ASSHOLES !Period!

420 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:23:55am

Good news: I just heard a survivor frog in the garden! Hooray! With a little luck the descendants of the original Mr. Frog may survive!

421 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:24:30am

re: #367 albusteve

Five illegal immigrants armed with at least two AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole known as Mesquite Seep just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and one U.S. agent was killed, records show.

the border is safer than ever…

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]

One, this is the Washington Times. Two, it’s old news, with no new information, except unverified claims by the vice president of an organization that I do not trust. Three, they waited until the case was sealed before making these claims.

Next I will address your comment about the fires on the border.

422 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:25:01am

re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Good news: I just heard a survivor frog in the garden! Hooray! With a little luck the descendants of the original Mr. Frog may survive!

Hot babes you Maroon!!LOL

423 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:26:00am

re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar

Please gimme a short version of what I can expect, going back to college in January. I have done all my financial aid stuff done but need to go down to talk to them. (My tuition is only $1600 plus books for Spring)

You have a “bank” with $xxx amount set aside. Each semester you draw from that to pay tuition, books, etc.
Typically, loan payments are due starting 90 days after graduation (but interest accrues fro day 1) OR after you stop going to school (don’t go back for your 3rd semester, lets say)

You can of course make payments prior to graduating, thus saving on the longer term interest due

424 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:26:20am

re: #404 albusteve

As someone currently dealing with student loans, I wouldn’t do that. I might hate the system and think it’s screwed up, but I like having good credit more. I’d like to be able to get out of student debt at some point in my life, so my plan is to consolidate everything after I graduate then have a single payment.

425 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:26:47am

re: #422 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #420 Killgore Trout


Hope they drive better than Dad….

426 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:27:17am

re: #423 sattv4u2

This I know. I just don’t want to get half way done and get screwed. I have my Pell stuff and FASFA in place.

427 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:29:17am

re: #419 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh, wait. You’re serious? First off, Jimmy Fallon himself didn’t do or say anything. The point of contention is The Roots playing an instrumental intro as an editorial comment about her.

Second, what’s the difference? Both Michele Bachmann and Michelle Obama are women in the public eye.

428 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:29:28am

re: #378 albusteve

more propaganda from the feds…this time from the GOA

WASHINGTON — People entering the U.S. illegally from Mexico are believed responsible for more than one-third of human-ignited wildfires in Arizona over a five-year period, according to a government report that could stoke congressional debate over illegal immigration.

who would believe such brazen lies?

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]

I’m pretty sure some fires in Arizona were started by people who crossed the border illegally. However, to say it is one third of human caused fires is unsubstantiated.

Arizona border region*

wildfires 2006-2010

2,126

Human-caused wildfires that burned 1 or more acres

422

Number of those fires on federally managed or tribal land

77

Number of those fires that were investigated

30

429 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:29:38am

I just screwed up two posts in a row!!
I can multitask!! who knew!/

430 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:29:50am

re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar

Short version is that nothing changes when you go back to school; student loan defaults aren’t going to affect you unless you’re the one defaulting - at least not right away.

As the defaults pile up, schools are going to see fewer students attending, particularly in graduate departments - that may lead to further changes.

Public colleges may see additional pressures to cut programs as states try to curtail spending (forcing tuitions even higher).

Tax credits for some student expenses might be cut - you have to check your state taxes too.

431 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:30:56am

re: #422 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Hot babes you Maroon!!LOL

Sometimes they are!

Image: Vasnetsov_Frog_Princess.jpg

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:32:15am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Called a root cellar in the South too.

One of my pet peeves about Thanksgiving? All the sudden everybody talks like William Penn.

Forsooth, thee shoulds’t not stress it.

433 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:32:22am

re: #430 lawhawk

OK. I’ve never had financial aid before. I’ve paid cash for what I have in credits so far. And we don’t have a state tax if that’s what you were referring to.

434 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:32:52am

Might this be a good proposal right from an OLA General Assembly?

Russell Simmons is calling for a constitutional amendment that would take all but public money out of elections. He has been on the road speaking with occupiers and visiting camps from Occupy Boston to Occupy Los Angeles.

Details paged.

435 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:32:52am

re: #427 Lidane

Jimmy has no influence over the intro and content of the show?
Band playes whatever the hell they want?
Ok!I stand corrected!

436 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:33:09am

Now that’s just stupid from all sides but Berkowitz’s.

[Link: www.elliott.org…]

Strict 2 tickets rule.

437 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:34:30am

re: #436 Sergey Romanov

Now that’s just stupid from all sides but Berkowitz’s.

[Link: www.elliott.org…]

Strict 2 tickets rule.

“Fat people are harder to kidnap”:)

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:36:01am

re: #288 Obdicut

If you’re Including Britain, Bath is a city that deserves to be visited at least once.

If you’re looking for peace and quiet, try Como, in Northern Italy.

If you want things a little warmer, do Barcelona. Amazing cultural attractions, weather is good.

Seconded for Bath. It is a very nice town.

439 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:37:06am

I used to post alot of stuff in the mornings, not so much anymore…just putting it out there to let people comment if they want….mostly doesn’t reflect my personal views

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:37:44am

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Does anyone know what are good tourist destinations in Western Europe in winter? Not for active stuff, just sightseeing etc.

I personally think that the West of Ireland can’t be beat—go out to the Aran Islands. If you’re not interested in the history and culture of the area, though, I suppose it’s mainly heaps of rocks and the wind off the water.

London has something for everyone.

My husband loves York.

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:37:54am

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

Seconded for Bath. It is a very nice town.

I’m DFH, I don’t need a Bath! //

442 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:38:28am

re: #441 Sergey Romanov

I’m DFH, I don’t need a Bath! //

Are you shower you don’t?

443 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39:03am

…I have work to do that requires BOTH hands!!
….IGGP…I gotta go pee..LOL
Have a great weekend all!

444 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39:38am

re: #442 sattv4u2

Are you shower you don’t?

I’m DFH and you’re DOM! Go join Obdi and FBV in #376, perv!///

445 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39:55am

re: #443 reloadingisnotahobby

…I have work to do that requires BOTH hands!!
…IGGP…I gotta go pee..LOL
Have a great weekend all!

One to hold the magazine, huh?

446 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:40:56am

re: #444 Sergey Romanov

I’m DFH and you’re DOM! Go joing Obdi and FBV in #376, perv!///

There’s not enough room,, (thankfully)

NTTAWWT!!

447 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:43:19am

re: #442 sattv4u2

Are you shower you don’t?

OK, I’m a grower. *puff* *puff* ///

448 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:43:54am

re: #416 Dragon_Lady

My sinuses are killing me this morning, I’m gonna go back to the couch and lay down. Later Lizards! Keep Laughing!

NETI . POT

449 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:46:00am

Four Degrees of Separation

[Link: arxiv.org…]

450 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:46:53am

re: #448 ggt

NETI . POT

VODKA . MARTINI

451 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:47:17am

re: #449 Sergey Romanov

Four Degrees of Separation

[Link: arxiv.org…]

Small, Flat World?

452 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:47:21am

NYT Magazine has a report in the upcoming issue about the health problems associated with pure-bred bulldogs. I think that’s a problem with all pure-breds; they all seem to have long term health problems associated with in breeding to maximize traits associated with “pure” breeds.

Yet another reason to consider mutts (and those from the shelters rather than a puppy mill/breeder).

453 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:48:39am

re: #439 albusteve

I used to post alot of stuff in the mornings, not so much anymore…just putting it out there to let people comment if they want…mostly doesn’t reflect my personal views

I welcome the opportunity to present facts in response.

454 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:48:52am

re: #452 lawhawk

NYT Magazine has a report in the upcoming issue about the health problems associated with pure-bred bulldogs. I think that’s a problem with all pure-breds; they all seem to have long term health problems associated with in breeding to maximize traits associated with “pure” breeds.

Yet another reason to consider mutts (and those from the shelters rather than a puppy mill/breeder).

Two mutts in my house,, both from rescue agencies

(well,,, three mutts if you include me ,,and wifey has said she ‘rescued” me ,, from what, I have no idea

455 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:50:23am

re: #452 lawhawk

NYT Magazine has a report in the upcoming issue about the health problems associated with pure-bred bulldogs. I think that’s a problem with all pure-breds; they all seem to have long term health problems associated with in breeding to maximize traits associated with “pure” breeds.

Yet another reason to consider mutts (and those from the shelters rather than a puppy mill/breeder).

American’s seem to like short nose dogs. The American Cocker Spaniel and the Golden Retreiver are two examples of selected breeding that has created a shorter nose dog. It inevitably leads to problems. Both the English (Original) Cocker and the Golden’s of 30 years ago have longer snouts.

If one is looking for a purebreed it always good (IMHO) to check out the pedigree and look for a pup bred with both American and Foreign geneology.

456 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:50:51am

Occupy LGF!
Occupy targets retailers on Black Friday

The site asks protesters to target only “publicly traded large businesses” and support small businesses “that serve our local communities.”

The site lists Abercrombie & Fitch, Amazon.com, AT&T Wireless, Burlington Coat Factory, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Dollar Tree, The Home Depot, Neiman Marcus, Office Max, Toys “R” Us, Verizon Wireless and Wal-Mart as businesses that should be boycotted or occupied.

The Amazon thread yesterday was a clear violation of the boycott! Hippie riot!
Charles better bust out the pepperspray.

457 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:52:09am

re: #456 Killgore Trout

Are there any actual protesters here?

458 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:53:32am

re: #456 Killgore Trout

The site lists , AT&T Wireless, Verizon Wireless

Bill ,,,”Okay people,, spread the word”

Jim ,,,, “ummm,,,, HOW!?!?!”

459 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:54:47am

re: #458 sattv4u2

Drums, d’uh.

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:56:05am

re: #333 Sergey Romanov

Does it taste as it sounds?

Red vs. Blue Turducken

461 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:56:17am
462 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:56:17am

re: #459 000G

Drums

“hey Bill,,,, Jim says he doesn’t speak ‘bongo’,, anyone have a timpani I can borrow?”

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:56:29am

re: #459 000G

Drums, d’uh.

Cool!! I can afford some since WalMart is having a sale!! Wait…

464 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:57:28am

re: #457 Sergey Romanov

LGF is infested with occupiers! I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the hall monitors as being members of Anonymous and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the Lizard Lounge!

465 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:57:28am

re: #457 Sergey Romanov

Are there any actual protesters here?

Of course there are. Anyone who laughs @ KT’s OWSOCD is a stab-happy hippie dummy patchouli rapist with a green frog hat on, by default.

466 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:58:05am

re: #464 000G

LGF is infested with occupiers! I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the hall monitors as being members of Anonymous and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the Lizard Lounge!

Did you bring Oreos?

467 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:58:34am

re: #348 Killgore Trout

. Vigilantism is a really bad idea, especially for things that aren’t illegal.

FTFY. Pepper spray against peaceful protesters is illegal. Too bad so sad for you.

468 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:58:44am

re: #466 ggt

Did you bring Oreos?

Mmmm, the fudge covered ones….

469 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:59:07am

re: #452 lawhawk

NYT Magazine has a report in the upcoming issue about the health problems associated with pure-bred bulldogs. I think that’s a problem with all pure-breds; they all seem to have long term health problems associated with in breeding to maximize traits associated with “pure” breeds.

Yet another reason to consider mutts (and those from the shelters rather than a puppy mill/breeder).

I think the same is true of some cat breeds. And cat mutts are so easy to come by!

470 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:59:31am

re: #469 wrenchwench

I think the same is true of some cat breeds. And cat mutts are so easy to come by!

and much tastier!!!

471 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:00:02am

re: #470 sattv4u2

and mush tastier!!!

Are you a coyote?

472 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:00:10am

The outrageous outrages are here but I gotta get moving and do some errands. Y’all can seethe at me latter.

473 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:00:49am

re: #472 Killgore Trout

The outrageous outrages are here but I gotta get moving and do some errands. Y’all can seethe at me latter.

Down with purebred frogs!

474 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:01:37am

pencil pencil thank you pencil

475 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:03:22am

re: #471 wrenchwench

Are you a coyote?

no,, I only feel like one at times

Image: wile+e+coyote.jpg

476 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:03:42am

re: #372 Obdicut

If the cops or someone else published the home address of people that had attacked the cops, I wouldn’t be outraged, no. Like those idiots with the fireworks. I wouldn’t think it was great, but not outrageous.

If they published the addresses of people who just passively resisted arrest, that’d be shitty.

I do think both are improper, and I don’t think it does any fucking good and it’s encouraging vigilantism, but the information is pretty freely available for anyone who actually gives a fuck. And anyone who actually does anything vigilante-style should and deserves to go to jail.

I find it hard to see publishing the personal information of someone who’s accused of committing a crime, especially one that’s pissing people off, as not being a strong nudge in the direction of vigilantism.

477 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:05:30am

I’m out for a while.

have a great day all!

478 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:05:52am

re: #475 sattv4u2

no,, I only feel like one at times

Image: wile+e+coyote.jpg

That didn’t work, but I know what Wile E. Coyote looks like. Now I know what you look like!

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:06:33am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Some of the MSM did their homework and consulted police officers to look at the tape. Most seemed to say it is standard procedure in many cases. To avoid scuffles, fights and baton wounds it’s safer for everybody to use pepper spray to subdue the suspect before arresting them.
It probably wasn’t his decision and was probably established procedure. The university may change the rules but I don’t think it was his decision to make.

I have never, ever heard of it being standard procedure to pepper-spray people who are not moving, just to soften them up for arrest.

I grew up around police officers.

I agree that the order to do it like this probably came down from above, but they done fucked this one up.

480 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:07:13am

re: #476 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it hard to see publishing the personal information of someone who’s accused of committing a crime, especially one that’s pissing people off, as not being a strong nudge in the direction of vigilantism.

How do you feel about police routinely doing that?

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:07:19am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Some of the MSM did their homework and consulted police officers to look at the tape. Most seemed to say it is standard procedure in many cases. To avoid scuffles, fights and baton wounds it’s safer for everybody to use pepper spray to subdue the suspect before arresting them.
It probably wasn’t his decision and was probably established procedure. The university may change the rules but I don’t think it was his decision to make.

Also, in a situation like this, a cop wants to make as few arrests as possible, not stun a whole flock of protesters so they can all be taken in. Arresting a shitload of people is almost never the cops’ goal.

482 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:09:27am

re: #478 wrenchwench

That didn’t work, but I know what Wile E. Coyote looks like. Now I know what you look like!

It was funny

Trust me!

483 Donna Ballard  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:13:18am

re: #448 ggt

NETI . POT

Did. Twice. They still hurt. Laying down makes them throb like Ooogs bongo drums. I just can’t win today. Ugh.

484 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:14:54am

re: #410 ggt

Fox News is wigging out about the Michelle Bachman’s treatment by Jimmy Fallon.

How is everyone?

I’m fine, and I think Fallon should apologize.

485 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:19:01am

Heh, interesting. Novaya Gazeta published an expose of a very elaborate system of paid internet trolling in the interests of the ruling United Russia party. Too bad it’s in Russian: [Link: www.novayagazeta.ru…]

486 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:20:40am

re: #480 000G

How do you feel about police routinely doing that?

I’m not keen on it.

Am I now allowed to have an opinion about Anon’s shitty behavior?

487 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:20:49am

re: #485 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.novayagazeta.ru…]

[Link: babelfish.yahoo.com…]

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:21:41am

re: #484 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m fine, and I think Fallon should apologize.

He did.
[Link: www.usmagazine.com…]

489 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:22:12am

re: #486 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not keen on it.

Ok, was just curious.

Am I now allowed to have an opinion about Anon’s shitty behavior?

This is not a General Assembly. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

490 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:22:42am

re: #487 000G

[Link: www.novayagazeta.ru…]

[Link: babelfish.yahoo.com…]

Heh. That’s weird. Google Translate spoofs LGF somehow.

491 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:23:05am

re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar

He did.
[Link: www.usmagazine.com…]

Well, that’s all right then. I think Michelle should accept his apology, and say something snappy.

492 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:23:48am

re: #490 000G

?

493 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:24:31am

re: #491 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that’s all right then. I think Michelle should accept his apology, and say something snappy.

“I accept Jimmy’s apology and Obama is a Muslim”.
///

494 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:24:52am

re: #492 Sergey Romanov

?

The first link as parsed by LGF does not reveal the domain of the actual adress. Could be used for phishing purposes.

495 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:25:44am

re: #494 000G

I assume it’s only for certain sites.

496 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:26:41am

re: #495 Sergey Romanov

I assume it’s only for certain sites.

Maybe.

497 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:31:26am

re: #489 000G

mic check!!!!

498 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:32:09am

re: #494 000G

While you’re on a googletranslate binge, and since we were discussing cops and consequences of their actions, take a look at this cop, see what allegedly happened to him after his name became known, and also see if I cry a river for him. (No link for that last one, you’ll have to guess.)

499 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:32:17am

They’re celebrating Thanksgiving in space. At 17,000 MPH, does it only last an hour and 20 minutes?

500 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:34:17am

re: #499 Cannadian Club Akbar

They’re celebrating Thanksgiving in space. At 17,000 MPH, does it only last an hour and 20 minutes?

Not even enough time to pass the gravy!!

501 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:35:34am

re: #497 lawhawk

mike check!!!

Daves Mikes not here”

502 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:36:18am

re: #500 sattv4u2

Not even enough time to pass the gravy!!

Just throw your taters into the air.

503 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:37:55am

re: #449 Sergey Romanov

Four Degrees of Separation

[Link: arxiv.org…]

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

504 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:44:49am

re: #500 sattv4u2

Not even enough time to pass the gravy!!

Yes, but you get a dozen or so Thanksgivings in a row. Lot of cranberry sauce.

505 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:47:20am

re: #504 Decatur Deb

Yes, but you get a dozen or so Thanksgivings Groundhog Days in a row. Lot of cranberry sauce.

Mr. Murray, is that you?

506 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:48:14am

re: #416 Dragon_Lady

My sinuses are killing me this morning, I’m gonna go back to the couch and lay down. Later Lizards! Keep Laughing!

Others suggest neti pots. I’ll suggest inhaling peppermint fumes.

Poor man’s version:
1) small medicine bottle/vial;
2) cotton balls or gauze;
3) Peppermint extract.

Pack vial as tight as possible. Pour 1/2 teaspoon of peppermint extract onto cotton. Close.

To use: open cap, hold under nostrils. If you can inhale do so, otherwise let the fumes drift up. Keep tissue at ready for the sinus drain.

Improvements:
1) If you can get an inhaler (those vick’s vapor things, for example) use them instead of the vial.
2) Peppermint oil, especially essential oil, lasts longer. they’re also harder to find and more expensive.
3) Essential oil can be used with large-granule salt (5-10 drops to between 1/4 and 1/2 cup) and used instead of the cotton. It lasts longer, is easier to clean, but it’s more work to assemble.

Final notes:
1) It’s swift but temporary in relief, lasting ten to fifteen minutes after you stop.
2) It will override your sense of smell.
3) Excessive use will build short-term resistance. Don’t use it for more than half an hour at a time, then wait at least an hour before using it again.

507 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:20:40pm

re: #476 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it hard to see publishing the personal information of someone who’s accused of committing a crime, especially one that’s pissing people off, as not being a strong nudge in the direction of vigilantism.

Well, the cops do it all the time. I don’t think they’re encouraging vigilantism.


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