Romney Campaign Boasts About Dishonest Ad: ‘It Worked’

Openly lying to get elected

Amazing. We’ve actually reached the point in the slow motion train wreck called the Republican Party at which a presidential candidate simply lies outright about President Obama — and when called on it, he openly admits he lied and boasts that it was a success: Team Romney Crows About That Obama Ad: ‘It Worked’.

The offending moment comes when Obama says “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” That was a quote from a way-too-honest McCain adviser that Obama loved to repeat on the trail. By evening, the ad had been attacked, derided, parodied, and ruled “pants on fire” worthy by Politifact. The Romney campaign could have cared less.

“We want to engage the president,” explained Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom in the spin room. “We look at him as our rival. It’s all deliberate; it was all very intentional.

Romney adviser Ron Kaufman, an RNC committee member and longtime operative, simply said that the ad “worked.”

“They always squeal the most when you hold a mirror up to them,” he said, “and they overreacted, clearly. All they did was make the ad more effective.”

“There was a time when the Obama campaign had real discipline,” joked Stuart Stevens, a senior Romney strategist. “Today was a total meltdown. You had the press secretary to the president of the United States talking about an ad that was running on one station in New Hampshire. There was a time when Jay [Carney, a former reporter for Time] wouldn’t even have written about this. Total meltdown. It’s as if you have somebody on a witness stand, accused of anger management issues, and he jumps off the stand and comes after you.”

Utter moral bankruptcy, driven by a ferocious lust for power.

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75 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:38:50am

which means they will start ramping it up for the next ad…

2 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:39:08am
“They always squeal the most when you hold a mirror up to them,” he said, “and they overreacted, clearly. All they did was make the ad more effective.”

“There was a time when the Obama campaign had real discipline,” joked Stuart Stevens, a senior Romney strategist. “Today was a total meltdown. You had the press secretary to the president of the United States talking about an ad that was running on one station in New Hampshire. There was a time when Jay [Carney, a former reporter for Time] wouldn’t even have written about this. Total meltdown. It’s as if you have somebody on a witness stand, accused of anger management issues, and he jumps off the stand and comes after you.”

lol u mad?

3 elisabeth  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:40:34am

Obiviously that guy’s never had kids if he thought that was a “total meltdown.”

4 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:43:21am

I would donate money to get this response on tv.

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:44:26am

This is just nuts. Romney’s not even trying to spin this. “Yep, I lied, and it worked! Haw!”

6 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:45:52am

I agree, I think Obama’s team bit too hard here. That said Romney is a scum bag and I think this is going to come back to haunt him. Obviously Romney is attempting to look presidential by taking on Obama rather than the rest of the Republican field. But conservatives who dislike him to begin with are likely going to resent him looking past the rest of the GOP field. Once a couple of these guys are out of the race, conservatives are going to line up against him.

7 McSpiff  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:46:21am

I really, really hope most people aren’t stupid enough to fall for this.

8 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:47:04am

re: #7 McSpiff

I really, really hope most people aren’t stupid enough to fall for this.

That’s what you call a “forlorn hope”

9 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:48:23am

Off topic, but I just got back on the computer for the first time since last night.

I see this on Wikipedia:

In a warning to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan calls al-Assad’s fight against the Syrian people cowardice. He goes on to compare al-Assad’s fate with past dictators from Hitler to Gadhafi.

Talk about ratcheting up pressure. Turkey and Canada may end up dragging the US into another revolution. I wouldn’t mind that much though.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:48:38am

re: #3 elisabeth

Obiviously that guy’s never had kids if he thought that was a “total meltdown.”

On Sunday, we went to a birthday party for a friend—they have small children, as did many of the guests. One little boy got waily about something…someone comments ‘total meltdown’…I say “Oh, that’s not a total meltdown.”

Someone who can see better reports, “Yep, he’s on the ground, screaming and kicking his feet. Total meltdown!”

11 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:49:36am

Is this the point where we can safely invoke Godwin? Because this is textbook propaganda tactics.

12 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:49:48am

we only lie during a campaign…when we’re in office we’re perfectly honset…
really!

13 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:50:31am

re: #3 elisabeth

Obiviously that guy’s never had kids if he thought that was a “total meltdown.”

I’ll wait until Team Obama puts their oppo ads against Romney together.

Then we’ll see a ‘total meltdown,’ but not from Obama.

14 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:50:32am

apparently the rombley team wants to get an early start on establishing a reputation for clumsily dishonest campaign advertising - following the old political rule of defining yourself before your opponent gets a chance to do it

i’m beginning to wonder if the gop is trying to lose this election

15 recusancy  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:54:42am

re: #6 Petero1818

I agree, I think Obama’s team bit too hard here. That said Romney is a scum bag and I think this is going to come back to haunt him. Obviously Romney is attempting to look presidential by taking on Obama rather than the rest of the Republican field. But conservatives who dislike him to begin with are likely going to resent him looking past the rest of the GOP field. Once a couple of these guys are out of the race, conservatives are going to line up against him.

They didn’t bite hard. They called it deceitful and moved on. Your buying into Romney spin.

16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:54:59am

what’s even funnier is they are saying it’s worked when the majority of honest observers said they shot themselves in the foot.

17 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:57:13am
18 sagehen  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:57:22am

Advertising fail:

[Link: gawker.com…]

19 erik_t  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:57:25am

re: #15 recusancy

For that matter, I don’t know how what it would even mean to ‘bite too hard’ on an opponent flat-out lying about your positions and then gloating about it afterward.

20 sagehen  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:57:50am

re: #17 engineer dog

(early O.T.)

‘Christmas quality, Hanukkah pricing’

charming

beat me by 9 seconds. Bastard.

21 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:58:56am

re: #17 engineer dog

The idiots behind that ad took it down already.

[Link: gothamist.com…]

22 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:59:22am

OT …I think..can’t remeber…
This explain everything!!!
Note to self…buy ALOT of Sawzall blade!!
DAMN DOORWAYS!!
[Link: newsinfo.nd.edu…]

23 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:02:33pm

Kurosawa’s got nothing on the Rashomon effect of YouTube.

Protesters sue NYPD/NYC over false arrest and provide video showing the arrests, and while prosecutors are apparently going to dismiss charges against the two, the NYPD has its own video showing the pair now suing engaging in protest activities inside the bank in question.

24 Robert O.  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:04:14pm

Gotta check out this! Charles, can you make this go viral? :D

25 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:04:27pm

re: #20 sagehen

beat me by 9 seconds. Bastard.

Beat you by a day.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:04:37pm

re: #17 engineer dog

(early O.T.)

‘Christmas quality, Hanukkah pricing’

charming

Just drink Stoly. That’s the moral here.

27 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:05:13pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolut-ly

28 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:05:36pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Just drink Stoly. That’s the moral here.

Scots also have the stereotype of being frugal and stingy, but Macallan is the most expensive adult beverage in the world.

29 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:05:51pm

re: #6 Petero1818

I agree, I think Obama’s team bit too hard here. That said Romney is a scum bag and I think this is going to come back to haunt him. Obviously Romney is attempting to look presidential by taking on Obama rather than the rest of the Republican field. But conservatives who dislike him to begin with are likely going to resent him looking past the rest of the GOP field. Once a couple of these guys are out of the race, conservatives are going to line up against him.

I’m not sure what news cycle your living in, but this take away is pure fantasy. Every news story (story, not opinion piece)l I’ve read or listened to, the gist has been how the ad was dishonest, distorted, taken out of context, etc and the fact that Obama has been happy to be engaged in a discussion on the economy. Usually, in the MSM at least, this dishonesty is glossed over in an attempt at what serves for balance in contemporary journalism.

As to the White House’s reaction, what little reaction they had has been hardly reported.

In the first salvo of 2012:
Romney - fail.

30 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:05:58pm

Looks like Libya will be just fine:

Tripolitanian Libyan
Jalil: I would like to be investigated for my role in the old regime, even as a president, by a new judicial system in #Libya.

Unfortunately, Egypt is not doing well.

AJELive AJELive
Prof. Rabab el-Mahdi tells AJE that riot police are “out of control” and the military council cannot control them. #Tahrir #Egypt

31 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:06:48pm

re: #24 Robert O.

Gotta check out this! Charles, can you make this go viral? :D

[Video]

‘He said it. That’s his voice.’ :D

32 sagehen  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:07:02pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Just drink Stoly. That’s the moral here.

Nah… vodka’s from the old country. Here in America we

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:08:35pm

re: #28 Alouette

Scots also have the stereotype of being frugal and stingy, but Macallan is the most expensive adult beverage in the world.

That’s odd, because both Jews and Scots also have the stereotype of being more than average intelligent.

Hmmm.

34 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:10:46pm

re: #33 EmmmieG

The Scots also have a stereotype of massive aggression. But in this case, that’s a difference between the groups.

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:12:38pm

re: #34 ProLifeLiberal

The Scots also have a stereotype of massive aggression. But in this case, that’s a difference between the groups.

That, and painting their faces blue. Oh, and the kilts. And the oatmeal.

36 jvic  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:13:16pm

re: #34 ProLifeLiberal

The Scots also have a stereotype of massive aggression. But in this case, that’s a difference between the groups.

“Pushy Jews”?

37 gummitch  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:13:32pm

re: #28 Alouette

You need to get out more. You could start with this site: [Link: www.thewhiskyexchange.com…]

38 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:13:45pm

Jeopardy question!

STEREOTYPES for $1000

I go to the store and buy a half-gallon of Popov for the same price as a couple of decent Martinis. I then pour it into empty Grey Goose bottle and none of your guests will ever know the difference.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:15:15pm

re: #35 EmmmieG

That, and painting their faces blue. Oh, and the kilts. And the oatmeal.

Wait, and the caber tossing. I think I’m done. Here’s a video that has already been posted, but is still funny.

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:15:42pm

re: #38 negativ

Jeopardy question!

STEREOTYPES for $1000

Did you ever see when Penn and Teller filled “bottled water” bottles with water out of a hose? Then presented it like one would wine at a restaurant? Funny.

41 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:17:37pm

re: #5 Charles

This is just nuts. Romney’s not even trying to spin this. “Yep, I lied, and it worked! Haw!”

Who needs honesty when there’s a black man in the White House? The only GOP plan is to blatantly lie to people and be obstructionist assholes in the hopes of winning in 2012.

42 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18:29pm

re: #23 lawhawk
Correct me if I’m wrong…the laws regarding Intuitions of Commerce are
a little different than regarding Mom and Pop corner stores?

43 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18:33pm

re: #38 negativ

99 out of 100 times, if you’re mixing the beverage in to a cocktail, you’ll be hard pressed to note a difference between vodkas. However, if you’re drinking ‘em neat (and no ice), you are more likely to tell the difference.

44 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:19:30pm

re: #42 reloadingisnotahobby

Correct me if I’m wrong…the laws regarding Intuitions of Commerce are
a little different than regarding Mom and Pop corner stores?

…Institution…Doh!

45 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:20:07pm

re: #43 lawhawk

99 out of 100 times, if you’re mixing the beverage in to a cocktail, you’ll be hard pressed to note a difference between vodkas. However, if you’re drinking ‘em neat (and no ice), you are more likely to tell the difference.

Same with tequila. If you’re just going to have shots or make margaritas with it, you won’t taste much of a difference. However, when you get the higher quality ones that are meant to be savored, you can definitely tell.

46 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:20:57pm

re: #38 negativ

Jeopardy question!

STEREOTYPES for $1000

I drink vodka, the cheaper the better….imo only tequila and bourbon improve with cost….high end tequila is a real delight

47 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:20:59pm

Wait till the Presidential next year, there will be a lot of negative and disinformation ads from both Dems and Repubs. LOL

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:21:03pm

re: #39 EmmmieG

Wait, and the caber tossing. I think I’m done. Here’s a video that has already been posted, but is still funny.

[Video]

“I’ll go to the electric chair for ye!!”

(Odd, I don’t think they’ve ever used it in the UK. But I guess “I’ll swing for ye!” sounds dated.)

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:21:07pm

re: #45 Lidane

Same with tequila chocolate, cheese, and beef. If you’re just going to have shots or make margaritas hand it out to five year olds with it, you won’t taste much of a difference. However, when you get the higher quality ones that are meant to be savored, you can definitely tell.

50 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:22:06pm

re: #45 Lidane

People mix Tequila??
…someone needs to read the RULES!!//
Salt and Lime!! :-o

51 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:23:05pm

re: #50 reloadingisnotahobby

People mix Tequila??
…someone needs to read the RULES!!//
Salt and Lime!! :-o

no salt, no lime…that’s for sissies

52 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:23:15pm

re: #15 recusancy

They didn’t bite hard. They called it deceitful and moved on. Your buying into Romney spin.

re: #29 Jeff In Ohio

I’m not sure what news cycle your living in, but this take away is pure fantasy. Every news story (story, not opinion piece)l I’ve read or listened to, the gist has been how the ad was dishonest, distorted, taken out of context, etc and the fact that Obama has been happy to be engaged in a discussion on the economy. Usually, in the MSM at least, this dishonesty is glossed over in an attempt at what serves for balance in contemporary journalism.

As to the White House’s reaction, what little reaction they had has been hardly reported.

In the first salvo of 2012:
Romney - fail.

The fact that everyone has said it is dishonest is not up for debate. I agree. As I stated he is a scum bag, and I think it backfires. But not because he lied. conservatives don’t care if he is lying or not. Look at Cain, Bachmann and Gingrich. Lying is richly rewarded by the red meat conservatives. This ad was not to convert independents. It was to win over primary voters.

This was a calculation by Romney. It was a calculation that he would be seen engaging the Democratic President and in doing so appear as the presumptive challenger for the Presidency. One that is aggressive and willing to take the gloves off early. He is trying to contrast himself with McCain in the last cycle. I think it fails for him because I believe he will be seen over the next few weeks and months as looking past the primaries, and the conservatives who make up the anyone but Romney camp will gain momentum.

53 Robert O.  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:25:10pm

re: #31 makeitstop

Indeed ;-)

54 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:26:06pm

re: #51 albusteve

Just typing …”Mescal” will cost brain cells!!
The worm is worth 5 or 6 thousand!

55 allegro  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:26:35pm

re: #47 Mike DeGuzman

Wait till the Presidential next year, there will be a lot of negative and disinformation ads from both Dems and Repubs. LOL

Nonsense. The Dems have no reason or motivation to lie at all. The truth about the Republican candidates and platform is plenty ugly without any comment needed.

56 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:26:57pm

re: #51 albusteve

no salt, no lime…that’s for sissies

I’ll agree with that. Good quality tequila that you savor doesn’t need training wheels (i.e., lime and salt), so if I have the good stuff, I leave the lime and salt alone.

Margaritas, on the other hand, require both lime and salt. It’s mandatory.

57 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:27:46pm

I’m still waiting for Romney to either attempt to explain or deny to the voting public the “story” I heard recently about his predilection for buggering pre-pubuscent boys. If he denies it we will all know he is a liar as well as a pedophile, and if he attempts to explain it as “just” innocent affection and that no inappropriate acts were committed we will still know that he is a liar.

Why?

Because I can spread rumors of inappropriate behavior without any proof whatsoever too. :P

58 albusteve  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:28:53pm

re: #54 reloadingisnotahobby

Just typing …”Mescal” will cost brain cells!!
The worm is worth 5 or 6 thousand!

re: #56 Lidane

I’ll agree with that. Good quality tequila that you savor doesn’t need training wheels (i.e., lime and salt), so if I have the good stuff, I leave the lime and salt alone.

Margaritas, on the other hand, require both lime and salt. It’s mandatory.

I usually do my primo tequila drinking at music shows or skiing…extras are too much fuss and nit needed

59 Lidane  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:32:09pm

re: #57 ausador

That reminds me of a story that Hunter S. Thompson used to tell about LBJ:

‘Lyndon was running about 10 points behind, with only nine days to go… He was sunk in despair. He was desperate… he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to call a press conference at two or two-thirty (just after lunch on a slow news day) and accuse his high-riding opponent (the pig farmer) of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children… His campaign manager was shocked. ‘We can’t say that, Lyndon,’ he said. ‘It’s not true.’

‘Of course it’s not,’ Johnson barked at him, ‘but let’s make the bastard deny it.’

60 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:32:43pm

re: #58 albusteve
I vaguely remember S.F.S. …(Shit Faced Sking)…
…because I broke my Collarbone….with my JAW!!

61 chunkymonkey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:09:23pm
We’ve actually reached the point in the slow motion train wreck called the Republican Party…

Charles, you offer a heck of a lot of criticism, a lot of which I agree with, but do you have a single helpful suggestion for Americans? What alternatives do you have in mind?

62 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:13:26pm

re: #61 chunkymonkey

Charles, you offer a heck of a lot of criticism, a lot of which I agree with, but do you have a single helpful suggestion for Americans? What alternatives do you have in mind?

Pay attention. Charles is full of helpful suggestions.

63 chunkymonkey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:17:14pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

Pay attention. Charles is full of helpful suggestions.

Weak.

64 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:18:56pm

re: #63 chunkymonkey

Weak.

Filled that vacancy yet?

65 Achilles Tang  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:29:49pm

re: #61 chunkymonkey

Charles, you offer a heck of a lot of criticism, a lot of which I agree with, but do you have a single helpful suggestion for Americans? What alternatives do you have in mind?

That’s easy. Vote for Obama.

Now, what do YOU have in mind?

66 chunkymonkey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 1:58:32pm

re: #65 Naso Tang

That’s easy. Vote for Obama.

Now, what do YOU have in mind?

Not that.

67 Achilles Tang  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:34:46pm

re: #66 chunkymonkey

Not that.

How about simply, don’t vote Republican, or Tea Party, or Libertarian? No differences.

68 chunkymonkey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:41:38pm

re: #67 Naso Tang

How about simply, don’t vote Republican, or Tea Party, or Libertarian? No differences.

Those aren’t viable “solutions” to any problem other than the GOP are idiots. The problem is that your solution, if employed by the electorate, would lead to a 100% Democrat federal government.

Do you honestly think that result would be good for the country?

69 mr.fusion  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:55:44pm
Romney adviser Ron Kaufman, an RNC committee member and longtime operative, simply said that the ad “worked.”

You know what else would “work”? Getting a picture of the President with a dead hooker…..maybe the RNC should fire up photoshop and get to it. Since honesty doesn’t matter anymore I can’t think of any reason not to

70 palomino  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:25:47pm

re: #68 chunkymonkey

Those aren’t viable “solutions” to any problem other than the GOP are idiots. The problem is that your solution, if employed by the electorate, would lead to a 100% Democrat federal government.

Do you honestly think that result would be good for the country?

Better than a 100% Republican govt. We have a center party and a far right party. Take your pick.

71 chunkymonkey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 3:31:12pm

re: #70 palomino

Better than a 100% Republican govt.

At the least, not much worse, but not good.

We have a center party and a far right party. Take your pick.

Bwa hah hah hah ha! I’m sure those on “the far right” think they’re in the center too. Democrat party in the center? Don’t kid yourself. So you think half the country is Center and the other half is “far right”?

The center is by definition the middle, so your claim cannot be true.

72 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:01:56pm

OK time to post the web address of the Modern Whig Party:


www.ModernWhig.org

It is better than either major party if you ask me.

73 Achilles Tang  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:18:27pm

re: #68 chunkymonkey

Those aren’t viable “solutions” to any problem other than the GOP are idiots. The problem is that your solution, if employed by the electorate, would lead to a 100% Democrat federal government.

Do you honestly think that result would be good for the country?

That is not what I implied. What I, somewhat sarcastically, suggested is that the GOP must learn to function without its fringe of loons. Right now the fringe controls, which is why we have only complete idiots, or anarchists like Paul, or liars like Romney running and the one sane one, Huntsman, just going through the motions. The GOP needs to lose badly before the sane ones can get the courage to stand up.

On the other hand, which applies to both parties, when 94% of election winners are the ones with the biggest donations the system is already rigged to be bought. I do think the Democrats might be inclined to change that if they could but the Republicans believe democracy is for sale, according to their religion.

74 chunkymonkey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:16:53pm

re: #73 Naso Tang

What I, somewhat sarcastically, suggested is that the GOP must learn to function without its fringe of loons. Right now the fringe controls…

How can the fringe control an entire party? If it’s not the fringe, then that means that half the country is in a position where it can’t live with the other half, and it goes both ways. How can this be dealt with?

The GOP needs to lose badly before the sane ones can get the courage to stand up.

And what if this doesn’t happen? It doesn’t look likely at the moment.

On the other hand, which applies to both parties, when 94% of election winners are the ones with the biggest donations the system is already rigged to be bought. I do think the Democrats might be inclined to change that if they could but the Republicans believe democracy is for sale, according to their religion.

So says the Obama supporter who’s candidate/party received the largest share of campaign money in the last election.

75 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:58:57am

re: #74 chunkymonkey

How can the fringe control an entire party? If it’s not the fringe, then that means that half the country is in a position where it can’t live with the other half, and it goes both ways. How can this be dealt with?

There is truth in that, but the fringe does control because as usual the “silent majority” (I hope) is not as active in the case of presidential primaries in particular. There is no point in appealing to the reasonable ones if one cannot get elected when the primaries are controlled by more fanatical groups.

And what if this doesn’t happen? It doesn’t look likely at the moment.

Yes, that is depressing. One can only hope and make one’s own vote count.

So says the Obama supporter who’s candidate/party received the largest share of campaign money in the last election.

It is not only a matter of presidential candidates, but all others as well. I think Obama would have preferred a different financing system, but the system is what it is and some things cannot be ignored, such as a dumb supreme court calling corporations people.

Another “efficiency” aspect of this is that I understand that all representatives, congress and senate spend over half their time just raising money to stay elected once elected. Is that what they should be doing?


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