A Plague of Twitter Spammers

Exploiting shortened URLs
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In the past week or so I’ve noticed the rise of a new spammers’ tactic on Twitter, and unfortunately they’re using LGF to help them do it.

Whoever’s running this spam campaign is retweeting my posts about LGF articles and Pages, but changing the URLs to point to spam sites or (in some cases) phishing sites that will trigger a browser security alert.

The scam relies on the fact that URLs in Twitter posts are shortened, so you can’t immediately tell that the link takes you to evilspamsite.com instead of littlegreenfootballs.com. Instead you see a URL like: t.co.

Here are a few examples (out of dozens) of this deceptive tactic (but DO NOT CLICK on any of the links these spambots have posted!):

Abdul Hagen (soccew) on Twitter
Haywood Marion (q6gmerqu) on Twitter
Grady Bassett (l4gjohn) on Twitter
Igor Garcia (kidfoxzf) on Twitter
Boyce Askew (bg2kamikk) on Twitter

If you’re on Twitter, you can help by using the “Report as spam” option on their profile pages.

And if you’re suspicious of a shortened URL, you can expand it and see the real destination with LongURL.

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326 comments
1 austin_blue  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:48:40pm

Are they concentrating exclusively on you, or is this a common practice?

Enquiring minds, &c.

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 6:55:14pm

re: #1 austin_blue

Are they concentrating exclusively on you, or is this a common practice?

Enquiring minds, &c.

They're doing this to other sites as well. It doesn't seem to be targeted at LGF in particular -- but somebody put together a list of the target sites, obviously, and we seem to be on that list.

3 austin_blue  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:01:18pm

re: #2 Charles

They're doing this to other sites as well. It doesn't seem to be targeted at LGF in particular -- but somebody put together a list of the target sites, obviously, and we seem to be on that list.

Damn. That sucks. I've always been suspicious of the Tiny URL links because there is no way for the average user to know to what site you are linking, save with an addie like Long URL. Seems to be an easy exploit on the part of the crackers.

Hate those bastards. Good thing I use a Mac OS.

4 jaunte  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:02:35pm

Reported.
While at twitter, found this:
@BadAstronomer Phil Plait

For Star Wars fans who don't mind sweariness, from@paulandstorm: is.gd/HAIrCB [NSFW lyrics

5 Mocking Jay  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:35:43pm

My disbelief in a god is being shaken by the knowledge that the leader of the Amish hair-cutting crime-ring was named Samuel Mullet.

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 7:58:48pm

re: #5 JasonA

My disbelief in a god is being shaken by the knowledge that the leader of the Amish hair-cutting crime-ring was named Samuel Mullet.

Truth is stranger than Fiction!

7 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:11:03pm

Ok, where is everyone?

8 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:14:36pm

Sorry, I got caught in my latest addiction. Finally broke down today and bought a copy of Skyrim.

9 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:18:31pm

re: #8 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry, I got caught in my latest addiction. Finally broke down today and bought a copy of Skyrim.

Skyrim:

is a role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth installment in The Elder Scrolls action role-playing video game series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. It was released on November 11, 2011 for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

Skyrim's main story revolves around the player character's efforts to defeat Alduin, the firstborn of Tamriel's primary deity Akatosh. Alduin is prophesied to destroy the world. Set two hundred years after Oblivion, the game takes place in the land of Skyrim, which is in the midst of a civil war after the assassination of the High King. The open world gameplay of the Elder Scrolls series returns in Skyrim; the player can explore the land at will and ignore or postpone the main quest indefinitely.

Well, I don't know why you are allowed to have a life outside LGF.

//:)

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:19:52pm

But...but...all the cool kids are playing it!

//

11 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:21:05pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But...but...all the cool kids are playing it!

//

The coolest kids are Lizards!

:0

12 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:22:09pm

re: #11 ggt

The coolest kids are Lizards!

:0

I don't know, the cool kids 'round here seem to have been too busy knocking out teeth and blackening eyes recently.

13 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:22:49pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't know, the cool kids 'round here seem to have been too busy knocking out teeth and blackening eyes recently.

Holidays bring out wierd behavior in the coolest of people.

14 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:25:09pm

re: #13 ggt

Holidays bring out wierd behavior in the coolest of people.

Ain't that the truth. This is probably the first day this week that I haven't found myself a walking ball of stress. Though part of I replaced with guilt, but I'll assuage that later.

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:26:13pm

re: #7 ggt

Ok, where is everyone?

Rebuilding my Macintosh SE/30. A more elegant computer for a more civilized age...

16 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:28:46pm

OMG! It's Prince Spaghetti Day.

How do the Pastafarians celebrate?

17 tnguitarist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:35:15pm

re: #16 ggt

OMG! It's Prince Spaghetti Day.

How do the Pastafarians celebrate?

With their noodles.

18 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:36:12pm

re: #7 ggt

Ok, where is everyone?

Watched last night's finale of DWTS.

The show is just a total work... but I like the dancing. Can't stand reality shows in general, but DWTS (and even more so, it's BBC parent show SCD) are entertaining enough.

19 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:38:15pm

rebuilding computers, playing computer games, watching TV. . . .

Me, I'm multi-tasking --LGF and Words with Friends and Strangers.

20 Mocking Jay  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:50:25pm

re: #8 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry, I got caught in my latest addiction. Finally broke down today and bought a copy of Skyrim.

Skyrim turns real life into the diversion. Welcome, Dovahkiin.

21 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:51:29pm

Oh, and I'm also thinking about creating a photo calendar for use as Christmas gifts, with images from my time in Japan, so I might start that later tonight and do some research on pricing and quality.

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:54:10pm

re: #21 freetoken

Oh, and I'm also thinking about creating a photo calendar for use as Christmas gifts, with images from my time in Japan, so I might start that later tonight and do some research on pricing and quality.

VistaPrint usually has email deals & Walgreens as well.

23 Kragar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:54:30pm

re: #19 ggt

rebuilding computers, playing computer games, watching TV. . . .

Me, I'm multi-tasking --LGF and Words with Friends and Strangers.

Watching "White Collar" working on some 40k stuff and prepping stuff for tomorrow.

24 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:56:51pm

re: #20 JasonA

Skyrim turns real life into the diversion. Welcome, Dovahkiin.

I will say this, I seriously miss VATS...and automatic weapons...and Pipboys...and Stimpaks...and I seriously hate, HATE giant spiders.

25 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:57:12pm

Finally eating something after spending most of the day baking pies, zuccini bread, pumpkin pecan bread, making pasta salad, deviled eggs and all the prep for the stuff I'm cooking tomorrow. That and enjoying some Sailor Jerry with cola.

Am thankful it's almost all cooked!

26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:58:13pm

re: #25 Jimmi the Grey

Finally eating something after spending most of the day baking pies, zuccini bread, pumpkin pecan bread, making pasta salad, deviled eggs and all the prep for the stuff I'm cooking tomorrow. That and enjoying some Sailor Jerry with cola.

Am thankful it's almost all cooked!

Wow, that sounds like work.

:0

27 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:58:32pm

re: #2 Charles

They're doing this to other sites as well. It doesn't seem to be targeted at LGF in particular -- but somebody put together a list of the target sites, obviously, and we seem to be on that list.

Any way to track these jerks?

28 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:59:35pm

re: #26 ggt

Wow, that sounds like work.

:0

The cooking/baking wasn't all that intense...the work was not nibbliing as I did it!

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:01:49pm

re: #28 Jimmi the Grey

The cooking/baking wasn't all that intense...the work was not nibbliing as I did it!

I'm just not into cooking.

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:02:12pm

re: #29 ggt

I'm just not into cooking.

or eating. I eat to live, not live to eat.

So, I don't get the whole thing.

31 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:05:47pm

re: #30 ggt

or eating. I eat to live, not live to eat.

So, I don't get the whole thing.

I come from a long line of men who are excellent at the preparation of edible delicasies. And having the metabolism of a hummingbird helps in the consuming department.

Oh, as a side note, since you posted about the Keen shoes you got, I've gotten nothing but adds for them on this site as well as many from other sites. Not a bad thing as they are 1) local to me, 2) excellent shoes and 3) I am mostly immune to compulsive shopping.

32 Kragar  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:10:12pm

re: #31 Jimmi the Grey

I come from a long line of men who are excellent at the preparation of edible delicasies. And having the metabolism of a hummingbird helps in the consuming department.

Oh, as a side note, since you posted about the Keen shoes you got, I've gotten nothing but adds for them on this site as well as many from other sites. Not a bad thing as they are 1) local to me, 2) excellent shoes and 3) I am mostly immune to compulsive shopping.

The wife cooks most of the time, but holiday meals and special occasions, I do the cooking.

33 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:12:55pm

re: #31 Jimmi the Grey

Perhaps food preparation is like gardening - it taps into a very basic instinct that people find amazingly rewarding... if exposed to it at the right time in life. I prefer gardening, though I used to get into baking. However, to keep myself down at weight I have to limit my intake and thus depend on protein-dominant food, which takes very little preparation for my palette. And the rest of my diet is filled with fresh fruit... and chocolate. I stay way from most grass seed products so that eliminates a big chunk of what most people call "cooking". I think I could dig getting into the fine art of pastry, but I know I would end up 100 lbs overweight.

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:16:21pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watching "White Collar" working on some 40k stuff and prepping stuff for tomorrow.

I'll be painting some minis too. I've got a game in Chicago on December 3rd.

35 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:18:06pm

re: #33 freetoken

Ritter Sport with Hazelnuts for me tonight.

36 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:25:29pm

G'night all.

37 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:26:09pm

re: #35 prairiefire

Ritter Sport with Hazelnuts for me tonight.

Tree seeds are some of the most wonderful parts of the human diet! Hazelnuts are a decent source of all sorts of nutrition including protein, though they are mostly fat (but that is not necessarily a bad thing) and that is what makes them so scrumptious.

Cocoa beans are tree seeds too... but don't have much protein... but they have the brain massaging theobromine so that makes them just right for about anything.

38 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 9:32:41pm

Theobromine..., I like it.
Night, lizards.

39 jaunte  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:05:18pm

“Don’t be sad,” says Finklestein on his deathbed. “I’ve had 80 good years.”
“But you’re 98!” says his wife.
“I know.”

[Link: nymag.com...]

40 windsagio  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:15:06pm

easy to forget how good this is:

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:40:23pm

re: #8 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry, I got caught in my latest addiction. Finally broke down today and bought a copy of Skyrim.

Velkom tu ze partee, komrad.

42 freetoken  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:56:32pm

Monk:


43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:03:14pm

re: #31 Jimmi the Grey

I come from a long line of men who are excellent at the preparation of edible delicasies. And having the metabolism of a hummingbird helps in the consuming department.

Oh, as a side note, since you posted about the Keen shoes you got, I've gotten nothing but adds for them on this site as well as many from other sites. Not a bad thing as they are 1) local to me, 2) excellent shoes and 3) I am mostly immune to compulsive shopping.

You know, I get those ads from the most recent site I visited. I never knew they would migrate to other's monitors.

So strange. I'm probably responsible for 3/4 of the ads everyone sees.

:0

44 tnguitarist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:04:04pm

The internets have failed me. I heard a song at work today and can't remember but a few of the lyrics.

45 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:04:48pm

re: #33 freetoken

Perhaps food preparation is like gardening - it taps into a very basic instinct that people find amazingly rewarding... if exposed to it at the right time in life. I prefer gardening, though I used to get into baking. However, to keep myself down at weight I have to limit my intake and thus depend on protein-dominant food, which takes very little preparation for my palette. And the rest of my diet is filled with fresh fruit... and chocolate. I stay way from most grass seed products so that eliminates a big chunk of what most people call "cooking". I think I could dig getting into the fine art of pastry, but I know I would end up 100 lbs overweight.

Yeah, I'm not into gardening either. My favorite garden book is called the Weekend Gardner. It lists all the low maintenance plants and where to plant them. I think it's out of print now.

46 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:06:47pm

re: #45 ggt

Yeah, I'm not into gardening either. My favorite garden book is called the Weekend Gardner. It lists all the low maintenance plants and where to plant them. I think it's out of print now.

I got the Cat Overlords into gardening...

They keep the catnip plants trimmed.

:D

47 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:07:26pm

re: #44 tnguitarist

The internets have failed me. I heard a song at work today and can't remember but a few of the lyrics.

Type the lyrics you can remember into a google search. I have found many a song I didn't know that way.

No guarantee either expressed or implied.

48 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:11:07pm

re: #44 tnguitarist

The internets have failed me. I heard a song at work today and can't remember but a few of the lyrics.

You might try humming it into an app like Midomi.

49 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:12:23pm

re: #33 freetoken

I always liked gardening too, but both growing up and being an adult 'apartment kid' I had very little opportunity to exercise the urge as it were. Hence my focus on the serving side of food production.

May change in my near future as I've had to move back in with the mom who now has a house...and is having me build raised beds for her this coming spring.

50 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:15:17pm

re: #49 Jimmi the Grey

I always liked gardening too, but both growing up and being an adult 'apartment kid' I had very little opportunity to exercise the urge as it were. May change in my near future as I've had to move back in with the mom who now has a house...and is having me build raised beds for her this coming spring.

I lucked out in having a good southern exposure and tall windows in my current residence. That let's me do some growing via boxes on the window sills. So I minimally have supplies of basil and rosemary for cooking. Catnip for the cats, and also a couple chile pepper plants.

51 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:17:57pm

re: #50 oaktree

Very cool. I'd talk more about my gardening experience, but I'm not sure how safe it is to mention...I used to care give for myself and other holders of 'Oregon Green Cards' as it were. Not that there was much food production out of that...

52 tnguitarist  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:23:23pm

This site hates my Droid.

53 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:23:39pm

May you all have many things to be Thankful for, on this Thanksgiving.

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:33:24pm

I'm off to bed.

Have a great Turkey Morning all!

55 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:43:17pm

re: #33 freetoken

Perhaps food preparation is like gardening - it taps into a very basic instinct that people find amazingly rewarding... if exposed to it at the right time in life. I prefer gardening, though I used to get into baking. However, to keep myself down at weight I have to limit my intake and thus depend on protein-dominant food, which takes very little preparation for my palette. And the rest of my diet is filled with fresh fruit... and chocolate. I stay way from most grass seed products so that eliminates a big chunk of what most people call "cooking". I think I could dig getting into the fine art of pastry, but I know I would end up 100 lbs overweight.

Remark---if gardening is an instinct, it is a recently acquired instinct, and an instance of evolution in the human brain that occurred within the past ten thousand years or less.

It's a testable hypothesis.

56 freetoken  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 12:59:44am

re: #55 lostlakehiker

The tending of plants may very well predate 10,000 years ago. While larger scale organized plant growth and animal husbandry - agriculture - appears to have arisen around 10,000 years ago, earlier than that humans very well could have been doing more to plants than just eating them. The challenge for determining this is in part due to the fact that the climate didn't stabilize until around 10,000 years ago, after a rapid (but highly irregular) warming from the depths of the last glaciation. The rapid changes (and sea level rises) probably obliterated much evidence. We do know that humans have had companion animals (e.g., dogs) for a very long time.

Nevertheless, I was not trying to argue that gardening techniques per se are an instinct, but that they tap into a very basic instinct, as does cooking, about the nature of food. That is, food is not a happenstance thing but something over which we can exert control.

57 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:02:25am

Watching the gone with the wind marathon!!!! Love holiday tv!

58 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:05:23am

as if I needed yet another reason not to Twitter...

59 freetoken  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:07:24am
60 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:12:46am

re: #56 freetoken

...Nevertheless, I was not trying to argue that gardening techniques per se are an instinct, but that they tap into a very basic instinct...

a very basic instinct: exerting influence over our environment

61 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:42:18am

Morning, all

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:00:45am

Those brave freedom fighters from Libya? Don't seem to be better than their enemies. If so, this was all for naught.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

Leaked UN report reveals torture, lynchings and abuse in post-Gaddafi Libya

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:04:14am

re: #52 tnguitarist

This site hates my Droid.

Your mom's...site...hates....droids?

64 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:05:08am

re: #62 Sergey Romanov

Those brave freedom fighters from Libya? Don't seem to be better than their enemies. If so, this was all for naught.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

Leaked UN report reveals torture, lynchings and abuse in post-Gaddafi Libya

why do we maintain any sort of notion that we need only sweep away the old dictator and that democracy and freedom will immediately take its place?

65 boxhead  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:23:02am

That Haywood kook followed me. Too bad twitter nuked him. My twitter feed is so boring that it can make ones head explode...

66 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:31:17am

re: #62 Sergey Romanov

Those brave freedom fighters from Libya? Don't seem to be better than their enemies. If so, this was all for naught.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

Leaked UN report reveals torture, lynchings and abuse in post-Gaddafi Libya

Eh, and so who's surprised? One man comes in by the gun, stays on top by it, and is displaced by others using the same means. Cyclical. Read ibn Khaldun on that - asabiyah and what-have-you. Khaddafi had it, the previous leaders did not, then he lost it, and was replaced - as ever in that region - by desert fighters who had it.

67 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:32:32am

Morning folks, happy thanksgiving all!

68 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:33:39am

re: #67 RogueOne

Morning folks, happy thanksgiving all!

Don't you impose your happiness on us!

We'll have any sort of Thanksgiving we goddamned well please.

(And to you!)

69 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:36:55am

Pressing my shirt and picking my ties and so forth, in preparation for my first night on the town since the Clinton administration. Got my wing-man picked out and ready to go.

Lock up your daughters, folks! Guanxi88's hitting the bars, cruising for chicks.

70 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:40:19am

re: #69 Guanxi88

First time in more than a decade and you're picking Thanksgiving? You should have gone out last night. IIRC the day before t-day is one of the busiest bar days of the year.

71 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:40:43am

re: #62 Sergey Romanov

Shocking.
/

72 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:40:47am

Damn! But this is a dead room. i suppose everyone's resting up to prepare for the holiday.

Me? I;m at the house - Bitter Half and spawn are at the in-laws' for the holiday - with a bottle of bourbon, a gut full of despair, and two cats.

So I come in here, looking for a little bit of the old ultra-violence, and what do i find? Thanksgiving welcomes. Makes one almost despair over what this place has become.

73 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:41:10am

re: #65 boxhead

My world

74 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:41:19am

re: #70 RogueOne

First time in more than a decade and you're picking Thanksgiving? You should have gone out last night. IIRC the day before t-day is one of the busiest bar days of the year.

Eh, work, and besides, Friday night's all right for fighting, or so I am reliably informed.

75 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:41:51am

re: #72 Guanxi88

We did it to make you miserable.
/

76 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:42:12am

re: #70 RogueOne

First time in more than a decade and you're picking Thanksgiving? You should have gone out last night. IIRC the day before t-day is one of the busiest bar days of the year.

Besides, the ladies who ARE out that evening might very well be in need of a bit of.... companionship. Low-hanging fruit and all that.

77 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:42:38am

re: #75 researchok

We did it to make you miserable.
/

I know. That's what makes this place like home, and the people in it just like family.

78 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:42:47am

re: #74 Guanxi88

Eh, work, and besides, Friday night's all right for fighting, or so I am reliably informed.

Yeah, maybe you shouldn't be taking advise on getting rowdy and women from Elton John..... You need a better role model!

79 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:44:03am

re: #78 RogueOne

Yeah, maybe you shouldn't be taking advise on getting rowdy and women from Elton John... You need a better role model!

Howzabout that sharp-dressed piano player, what's his name? Liberace?

80 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:44:20am

re: #77 Guanxi88

Now go give your Aunt Fran a nice big kiss.

I don't care ifd she smells funny.

And remember to tell how much weight she has lost.
/

81 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:45:11am

re: #80 researchok

Now go give your Aunt Fran a nice big kiss.

I don't care ifd she smells funny.

And remember to tell how much weight she has lost.
/

How come granny always smells like whiskey?

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:46:33am
83 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:48:01am

re: #72 Guanxi88

Violence you say?
Ok.

84 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:48:16am

re: #82 WindUpBird

good ideas :)

Yes, yes indeed. The division of the living space is far more equitable, you must agree. (Jeez! How long til we see a Strelnikov on an armored train in all this?)

85 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:48:51am

re: #83 Varek Raith

Violence you say?
Ok.

[Video]

Bourbon snarf!

86 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:49:30am

re: #81 Guanxi88

The still in the back yard

87 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:52:19am

re: #86 researchok

The still in the back yard

Ahh, yes! As chief clancy wiggum once observed, "There's nothing like drinking moonshine from your own still."

(My grandmother's preferred bourbon was also my grandfather's, and became my go-to whiskey - Old Grand-dad)

88 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:52:54am

re: #86 researchok

The still in the back yard

You sure you're not kin to me? Got any relatives along the Elk River, do ya?

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:53:04am

Their efforts dovetail with other groups like Viva Urbana in Boston and Take Back the Land, whose philosophy can basically be summed up as: People without homes need homes more than banks need homes.

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:53:24am
91 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:55:47am

re: #89 WindUpBird

Their efforts dovetail with other groups like Viva Urbana in Boston and Take Back the Land, whose philosophy can basically be summed up as: People without homes need homes more than banks need homes.

Or, to put it another way - might makes right. It's expropriation of property used to collateralize a legal and lawful contract voluntarily entered into by both parties. Theft.

92 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:56:29am

re: #89 WindUpBird

Their efforts dovetail with other groups like Viva Urbana in Boston and Take Back the Land, whose philosophy can basically be summed up as: People without homes need homes more than banks need homes.

I would be more supportive of occupying foreclosed homes than neighborhood parks.

93 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:56:49am

re: #88 Guanxi88

I think we're related by way of cousin Skeeter.

His momma and my momma were 2nd cousins and ex in laws. One or the other married into your grandmas family before the civil war. Turns out there was or than one wife involved the way I heard it told.

94 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:57:46am

re: #93 researchok

I think related by way of cousin Skeeter.

His momma and my momma were 2th cousins and ex in laws. One or the other married into your grandmas family before the civil war. Turns out there was or than one wife involved the way I heard it told.

Okay, so you're on the step=father's side of the family then. My condolences and deepest sympathies.

95 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:59:24am

re: #94 Guanxi88

Okay, so you're on the step=father's side of the family then. My condolences and deepest sympathies.

It's not so bad.

No one prepared squirrel the way your step dad's grandma did. Damn fine eatin'.

She used ketchup the way I heard it told.

96 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:59:31am

re: #93 researchok

I think related by way of cousin Skeeter.

His momma and my momma were 2th cousins and ex in laws. One or the other married into your grandmas family before the civil war. Turns out there was or than one wife involved the way I heard it told.

Do you know if granny's gonna be able to get together the bail money in time for christmas? We miss her.

97 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:59:50am
98 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:01:11am

re: #96 Guanxi88

Do you know if granny's gonna be able to get together the bail money in time for christmas? We miss her.

You don't say!!

Wonderful news. You'd think those revenue men would go easy on old lady.

Bastards.

99 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:02:09am

...almost fourteen, second cousin/
minor lady, stranger to warm water...

100 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:02:21am

re: #98 researchok

You don't say!!

Wonderful news. You'd think those revenue men would go easy on old lady.

Bastards.

Yep! And they wouldn't even entertain the idea of accepting three quarts of first-rate corn squeezings, neither. Seized it as evidence, they did.

101 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:02:21am

Egyptian official: 3 American students will be held another 4 days during probe
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

Cairo (CNN) -- Three American college students suspected of throwing Molotov cocktails in Cairo's Tahrir Square will be detained another four days as an investigation continues, said a spokesman for the office of Egypt's general prosecutor.

"A bag filled with empty bottles, a bottle of gasoline, a towel and a camera was found with them," spokesman Adel Saeed said late Wednesday.

"They denied the bag belonged to them and said it belonged to two of their friends," Saeed added.
....
Social-media posts appear to show Gates and Sweeney in the thick of recent protests in Cairo, with Gates indicating he had been injured in clashes over the weekend.

"Earlier tonight rubber bullets a charge and then a retreat," said a message posted Sunday from a Twitter account with Gates' name and a photo resembling one of the men in a police video. The poster added that his knee and elbow were hurt.

On Saturday, the writer said that "we were throwing rocks and one guy accidentally threw his phone."

Another Facebook account shows a man resembling Sweeney during protests in Cairo.

These idiots must have forgotten they weren't in bloomington anymore.

102 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:02:53am

re: #99 ralphieboy

...almost fourteen, second cousin/
minor lady, stranger to warm water...

That's the crappiest damned haiku EVER!

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:03:06am

re: #97 Varek Raith

Image: 77004R.jpg
BBIAB.

You look nice! All green and natural.

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:04:23am

The biggest threat to America are banks. cheers!

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:04:51am

2008 actually happened!

106 freetoken  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:05:06am

Looks like God heard Charles' cry - one of the upcoming scheduled GOP "debates" has actually been cancelled:

That scuttled debate. And some help for Diane Sawyer.

The cancellation of The Des Moines Register’s Dec. 19 debate of Republican presidential candidates wasn’t done to “streamline what had become a crowded debate calendar in Iowa,” as the newspaper’s political editor, Carol Hunter, ingenuously wrote last week.

It was cancelled because the candidates — or at least most of them — decided not to show up, folks who usually know what they’re talking about told Skinny.

Part of the reason is because some of those very conservative people, and their handlers and supporters, don’t particularly care for the Register, we’re told. Part is in fact because there are other debates scheduled. And part is because the Register and then-editor Carolyn Washburn made a mess out of the Republican debate four years ago.

[...]

And she helped wreck things for her successor, Rick Green, a guy who likes and understands politics, and for Iowa Public Television and the PBS Newshour, who were to be co-sponsors. PBS’s Judy Woodruff, a longtime and long-respected political reporter and analyst (sort of the anti-Washburn), was to moderate, with Green handling the open and the close and being deeply involved in the content. [...]

Now, the Register will join as a co-sponsor (with, among others, the Republican Party that screwed the newspaper) of the ABC debate scheduled for Dec. 10, but it clearly will be a junior partner. [...]

Matt Strawn, the state’s GOP chairman, called the decision a “win-win agreement” for candidates and caucus-goers. But for the Register, it’s lose-lose. They lose a longtime showcase event, and they end up teamed with a political party and with WOI-TV, the ABC affiliate whose news shows apparently are watched only by some sports junkies and people too lazy to change the channel after “Dancing With the Stars.” Iowa Public Television and the Register, meantime, still plan to collaborate on some caucus specials; they’ll probably make an announcement about those this week. …

I suspect that the unseemly torture of the American people might have had something to do with it to.

The Cityview article goes on with some pointed criticism about the whole field, and in particular about the Iowa GOP party platform:

As long as we’re helpfully providing questions for moderators, here are a few that Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopolous might consider asking at the Dec. 10 debate:

• The latest platform of the Iowa Republican Party says that “creationism should be included with all science instruction along with the Darwinian theory.” Do you believe that, and do you believe in Creationism?

• The platform says medical care “is a privilege and not a right.” Do you agree?

[...]

• The platform calls for the repeal of minimum-wage laws. Do you agree?

• The platform calls for the repeal of no-fault divorce laws. Do you have an opinion, Mr. Gingrich?

• The platform calls for repeal of the corporate income tax, the estate tax, and the gift tax and the abolition of the IRS. Discuss.

• The platform calls for eliminating — besides the IRS — OSHA, the Federal Reserve, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the departments of Agriculture, Education and, oops, Energy. Mr. Perry?

• The platform finds no problem if a person with a permit to carry a concealed gun carries a gun into a school — any school or any classroom, from kindergarten to college. Is that a good idea?

107 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:05:33am

re: #100 Guanxi88

Yep! And they wouldn't even entertain the idea of accepting three quarts of first-rate corn squeezings, neither. Seized it as evidence, they did.

Bastards.

They drank half of it on the way to the sheriffs office, the way I heard it told.

I hope the bastards went blind like what happened to the Culpepper twins from that batch your granny made a few years back.

That'll teach them boys not stiff your kin.

One of them is still drivin' the way I heard it told.

108 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:07:58am

re: #107 researchok

Bastards.

They drank half of it on the way to the sheriffs office, the way I heard it told.

I hope the bastards went blind like what happened to the Culpepper twins from that batch your granny made a few years back.

That'll teach them boys not stiff your kin.

One of them is still drivin' the way I heard it told.

Yeah, granny got a little lazy back in aught 3, and substituted some radiator fluid for the traditional molasses. One lives and learns.....

109 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:09:07am

re: #108 Guanxi88

Yeah, granny got a little lazy back in aught 3, and substituted some radiator fluid for the traditional molasses. One lives and learns...

Yup.

Your granny was real progressive that way.

110 freetoken  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:11:31am

Various Lynn Margulis obits from yesterday (kind of surprised it didn't make it into a Page):

Lynn Margulis 1938 - 2011 - November 23, 2011


Lynn Margulis dies

Oh, look, the IDiots wrote on too, even included a misdirection in the headline for free:

Lynn Margulis, Acclaimed Biologist and Critic of Neo-Darwinism, RIP

111 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:12:12am

Mornin'...dogs woke me up and now I can't get back to sleep...what's all this talk about hooch and is that Guanxi88 I see? How the fuck are ya?

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:12:29am

re: #110 freetoken

Oh.

113 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:16:37am

fuck it...close the lid and come back in 3 hours...nite all...again.

114 researchok  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:20:45am

Those folks at Sears really like me.

I got a special invitation to show up Friday at 4 AM for 900 doorbusters.

115 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:21:57am

Occupy Sears!!!

116 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:22:55am

re: #110 freetoken

Various Lynn Margulis obits from yesterday (kind of surprised it didn't make it into a Page):

Lynn Margulis 1938 - 2011 - November 23, 2011

Lynn Margulis dies

Oh, look, the IDiots wrote on too, even included a misdirection in the headline for free:

Lynn Margulis, Acclaimed Biologist and Critic of Neo-Darwinism, RIP

WTF is 'neo Darwinism'???

117 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:24:35am

re: #116 Varek Raith

I see now.
IDiots.

118 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:27:43am

re: #117 Varek Raith

A common track of anti-evolutionist arguments:

"There are certain flaws/inconsistencies in evolutionary theory.

Therefore, God created the world in six days in 4004 BC."

Pretty seamless logic there...

119 EdDantes  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:31:51am

Have a good Thanksgiving everyone. Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!

120 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:36:45am

re: #116 Varek Raith

WTF is 'neo Darwinism'???

Neo-Darwinism is the 'modern synthesis' of Darwinian evolution through natural selection with Mendelian genetics, the latter being a set of primary tenets specifying that evolution involves the transmission of characteristics from parent to child through the mechanism of genetic transfer, rather than the 'blending process' of pre-Mendelian evolutionary science. Neo-Darwinism also separates Darwin's ideas of natural selection from his hypothesis of Pangenesis as a Lamarckian source of variation involving blending inheritance.[1]

:P

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:37:37am

re: #119 EdDantes

The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!

Okay.

122 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:38:08am

re: #121 Sergey Romanov

Okay.

Quitter!

123 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:40:35am

re: #121 Sergey Romanov

Okay.

Is there a thanksgiving equivalent in Russia? Maybe December 26th or something?

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:40:44am

re: #122 RogueOne

Quitter!

Okay.

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:42:26am

re: #123 RogueOne

Is there a thanksgiving equivalent in Russia?

Would have been strange given how it is tied to specific history.

Maybe December 26th or something?

Why December and why 26th?

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:43:32am

re: #125 Sergey Romanov

Why December and why 26th?

Ah, I see.

127 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:44:04am

Howdy, Folks!

In celebration of this traditional day of thanks, I freely give to my fellow Lizards something completely superfluous and unwanted.

TURKEY QUOTES!

"I love Bill Clinton. I think we should make him king. I'm talking the red robe, the turkey leg - everything." (Tim McGraw)

"I say 20 words in English. I say money, money, money, and I say hot dog! I say yes, no and I say money, money, money and I say turkey sandwich and I say grape juice."

"We're having something a little different this year for Thanksgiving. Instead of a turkey, we're having a swan. You get more stuffing." (George Carlin)

"The best way to thaw a frozen turkey? Blow in its ear." (Johnny Carson)

"There's turkey ham, turkey bologna, turkey pastrami. Someone needs to tell the turkey, man, just be yourself." (Mitch Hedberg)

"Most turkeys taste better the day after. My mother's tasted better the day before." (Rita Rudner)

"The turkey you festively slice is murder." (The Smiths)

"There are three things you never turn your back on: bears, men you have wronged, and a dominant male turkey during mating season." (Dwight Schrute)

"A turkey never voted for an early Christmas." (Irish Proverb)

"The heavenly aroma still hung in the house. But it was gone, all gone! No turkey! No turkey sandwiches! No turkey salad! No turkey gravy! Turkey Hash! Turkey a la King! Or gallons of turkey soup! Gone, ALL GONE!" (Ralphie Parker)

"It's flying something behind it and I can't quite make it out. It's a large banner and it says H A P P Y... T H A N K S... giving... from W... K... R... P! What a sight, ladies and gentlemen. What a sight. The 'copter seems to circling the parking area now. I guess it's looking for a place to land. No! Something just came out of the back of a helicopter. It's a dark object, perhaps a skydiver plummeting to the earth from only two thousand feet in the air... There's a third... No parachutes yet... Those can't be skydivers. I can't tell just yet what they are but... Oh my God! They're turkeys! Oh no! Johnny can you get this? Oh, they're crashing to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! This is terrible! Everyone's running around pushing each other. Oh my goodness! Oh, the humanity! People are running about. The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Folks, I don't know how much longer... The crowd is running for their lives. I think I'm going to step inside. I can't stand here and watch this anymore. No, I can't go in there. Children are searching for their mothers and oh, not since the Hindenberg tragedy has there been anything like this. I don't know how much longer I can hold my position here, Johnny. The crowd..." (Les Nessman)

128 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:47:36am

re: #126 Sergey Romanov

Ah, I see.

Is my memory wrong? Wasn't that the first official day of the Yeltsin/Russian era?

129 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:49:04am

re: #128 RogueOne

Is my memory wrong? Wasn't that the first official day of the Yeltsin/Russian era?

I think that was January 1, 1992...

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:50:14am

re: #128 RogueOne

Yes, but it is not celebrated, instead the date of the sovereignty of Russia is celebrated (after June 12, 1990). But it's basically another day off.

131 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:52:18am

re: #123 RogueOne

Is there a thanksgiving equivalent in Russia? Maybe December 26th or something?

I'd go with January 1st.

Y'know, "Thank God THAT year's over with."

132 freetoken  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:53:29am

Henry Farrell (one of the few people left over at BloggingHeads worth listening, IMO) is the interlocutor for Yanis Varoufakis, who takes a particularly pessimistic view about what is happening in Greece and the EU, especially about the inclusion of neofascists in the Greek government:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

133 freetoken  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:56:26am

re: #116 Varek Raith

The real "neo-Dawinism" is a less accurate synonym for the modern synthesis in biology:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The IDiots however just use it as another tag for a variety of, in their minds, materialistic heathens.

134 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:57:20am

Apparently, the cops assigned to protect the Castor transport (nuclear waste) will be given high-tech gear:

Image: 2211_shitbox.jpg

Image: Beutelscan.jpg

Image: Ploo.jpg

[Link: www.stern.de...]

[Link: www.thebrowncorporation.com...]

135 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 3:59:25am

Blind kitty gets his first toy
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Bet it's not a laser pointer...

136 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:00:49am

Oh wow:

German bunds fell a second day. The 10-year bund yield rose as much as 10 basis points, or 0.1 percentage point, to 2.25 percent, the highest since Oct. 28 and was at 2.19 percent at 11 a.m. London time. Bids at yesterday’s auction of 10-year securities amounted to 3.889 billion euros ($5.2 billion), out of a maximum target for the sale of 6 billion euros.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

So Germany was unable to find buyers for a full third of the bonds it wanted to sell.

DOOM DOOM DOOM!

137 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:04:43am

people are holding out for eurobonds?

138 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:06:29am

Plane crashes near Phoenix, sparks fireball
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

APACHE JUNCTION, Ariz. - A small twin-engine plane crashed into the Superstition Mountains east of Phoenix on Wednesday night and there was no apparent sign of survivors, authorities said.
....
Kenitzer said the FAA and National Transportation Safety Board would be investigating the cause of the crash.
....
Some witnesses told Phoenix-area television stations they heard a plane trying to rev its engines to climb higher before apparently hitting the mountains. The elevation is about 5,000 feet at the Superstition Mountains' highest point.

Seems like we already know the cause of the crash, it ran into a mountain. That will usually do it. Although, from the pic it looks like it might have been taken out by a UFO.

Image: arizona_plane_crash_AP111123064862_620x350.JPG

139 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:07:35am

re: #137 ralphieboy

people are holding out for eurobonds?

I think maybe buyers want higher yields. Expect hedge funds shennanigans to drive up interest rates.

140 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:08:02am

Apparently the German federal government gave a formal reply to a "small inquiry"* of The Left fraction in the parliament regarding the government trojan. Wondering if I should do a page on that.

[Link: euro-police.noblogs.org...] (32 pages)

* definition by the parliament:

"As many members of parliament who can form a parliamentary group have the right to demand information in writing concerning specific issues from the federal government by means of a small inquiry. Small inquiries will be answered in writing and not discussed in parliament. "

[Link: www.bundestag.de...]

141 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:10:08am

re: #138 RogueOne

Nobody in their right mind flies a small plane or helicopter over the Superstition mountains: the terrain is too rough for search and rescue teams to get in and find anything.

142 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:10:08am

re: #138 RogueOne

Plane crashes near Phoenix, sparks fireball
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Seems like we already know the cause of the crash, it ran into a mountain. That will usually do it. Although, from the pic it looks like it might have been taken out by a UFO.

Image: arizona_plane_crash_AP111123064862_620x350.JPG

You accusing me of something?!?!?

143 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:14:00am

re: #142 Varek Raith

You accusing me of something?!?!?

Yep.

144 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:14:17am

re: #141 ralphieboy

Nobody in their right mind flies a small plane or helicopter over the Superstition mountains: the terrain is too rough for search and rescue teams to get in and find anything.

Beautiful country though. If you're going to slam into a mountain may as well make it somewhere photogenic.

145 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:21:40am

Ignorance Is Bliss When It Comes to Challenging Social Issues
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

The less people know about important complex issues such as the economy, energy consumption and the environment, the more they want to avoid becoming well-informed, according to new research published by the American Psychological Association.
....
Through a series of five studies conducted in 2010 and 2011 with 511 adults in the United States and Canada, the researchers described "a chain reaction from ignorance about a subject to dependence on and trust in the government to deal with the issue."

To test the links among dependence, trust and avoidance, researchers provided either a complex or simple description of the economy to a group of 58 Canadians, mean age 42, composed of 20 men and 38 women. The participants who received the complex description indicated higher levels of perceived helplessness in getting through the economic downturn, more dependence on and trust in the government to manage the economy, and less desire to learn more about the issue.

"This is despite the fact that, all else equal, one should have less trust in someone to effectively manage something that is more complex," said co-author Aaron C. Kay, PhD, of Duke University. "Instead, people tend to respond by psychologically 'outsourcing' the issue to the government, which in turn causes them to trust and feel more dependent on the government. Ultimately, they avoid learning about the issue because that could shatter their faith in the government."

146 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:22:29am

re: #136 000G

Oh wow:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

So Germany was unable to find buyers for a full third of the bonds it wanted to sell.

DOOM DOOM DOOM!

another brick in the wall

147 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:25:15am

re: #145 RogueOne

We also have the problem of a large part of the country flat out refusing to learn anything about certain issues because it would shatter their whole ideology.

Or something.

148 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:26:45am

Shouldn't these studies be on the list of things we already know?

Exercise makes you tired and helps you sleep:
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

and:

Girls Feel More Anger, Sadness Than Boys When Friends Offend
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

Is it really news to anyone that women (...in general, present company excepted, etc...) are more sensitive than men?

149 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:27:24am

re: #147 Varek Raith

We also have the problem of a large part of the country flat out refusing to learn anything about certain issues because it would shatter their whole ideology.

Or something.

It's science, don't be a denier. Read a book.///

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:28:56am
151 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:33:13am

re: #149 RogueOne

It's science, don't be a denier. Read a book.///

Oh, you and your silly three dimensional limitations.

152 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:36:15am

Lawsuit Says Prosecutor Went Too Far In Charging Boy
Gag Order Prohibits Boy's Parents From Talking About Case
[Link: www.channel3000.com...]

MADISON, Wis. -- A 6-year-old Grant County boy has been accused of first-degree sexual assault after playing "doctor" with two 5-year-old friends.

Now, a federal lawsuit has been filed against the prosecutor, who attorneys said is trying to force the boy to admit guilt.

The boy's parents had planned to speak with WISC-TV on Monday to discuss the emotional toll the prosecution has taken on their son. But the prosecutor, Grant County District Attorney Lisa Riniker, on Monday morning asked a judge for a gag order in the case and was granted it. The gag order prohibits the boy's parents from talking about the case.

But the attorneys for the parents in the federal suit, which names Riniker as a defendant, can aren't included in the gag order, and they spoke with WISC-TV from Chicago.

Attorneys for the parents of the 6-year-old, who is being referred to as "D," said that Riniker has gone too far by bringing a felony sex charge against a first-grader for touching a 5-year-old girl inappropriately while playing doctor last fall.

In justification for the charge, Riniker is quoted in the lawsuit saying "the Legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute ... the legislature did no such thing."

The lawsuit also alleges the charges were brought because the 5-year-old is the daughter of a high-ranking official in Grant County.

I'm not a fan of gag orders especially in a case like this where a gag order doesn't help the defendant in any way and is only used to squash criticism.

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:36:27am

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

NBC apologizes to Michelle Bachmann.

From the comments...

And the eleven people actually watching the show were absolutely furious...

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:38:38am

re: #152 RogueOne

I was the "John Wayne Gacy" of dirty little boys when it came to playing doctor as a child.

I would've been institutionalized had I lived in Madison.

155 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:40:25am

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was the "John Wayne Gacy" of dirty little boys when it came to playing doctor as a child.

I would've been institutionalized had I lived in Madison.

Some prosecutors just don't have any sense. Her response that since the legislature didn't specifically tell her she shouldn't charge 5 year olds with felony sex crimes she can do what she wants is especially telling.

156 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:42:02am

Being Teh Stoopid™ should be a felony.

157 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:43:16am

Let Journalists Work, City Police Are Ordered
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly has issued an internal message ordering officers in New York City not to interfere unreasonably with journalists’ access during news media coverage and warning that those who do will be subject to disciplinary action.

The message was being read at police precinct station houses around New York on Wednesday. It came after journalists, including two from The Associated Press, were arrested covering Occupy Wall Street protests.

It's a shame that we don't have something in writing about the right of free speech or freedom of the press so these things would stop happening...

158 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:44:29am
159 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:48:35am

Puppycide with possibly the dumbest headline I've seen in awhile:

Woman not happy about deputy shooting her dog
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

An Inverness woman is upset after her Jack Russell terrier was shot and killed by a Citrus County Sheriff's deputy who said he felt threatened.

Nancy Blackwell is trying to put the past behind her, but fun and games with her Jack Russell, Rascal, are not the same without the third member of their family.

"You can’t believe it really happened," Blackwell said. "It just, it just -- there’s nothing that makes sense about it. Nothing, nothing!"

Blackwell's other Jack Russell, Princess, was shot and killed by CCSO deputy Nick Hesse as the deputy served an arrest warrant on Blackwell's son, according to sheriff's officials.
...
CCSO spokesperson Gail Tierney said Princess began barking at Hesse, got out of Blackwell's house and ran at the deputy while showing her teeth and growling.

Tierney said the deputy moved back, shot and killed the dog. Hesse said he felt threatened by Princess.

"Given the very short time period that he had to react -- I mean, it all happened within seconds that he made a decision to protect his well-being," Tierney said.

Blackwell doesn't agree with the explanation she was given and had harsh words for the deputy: "You’re an officer of the law and you’re scared of a Jack Russell? Do you want that kind of person protecting you?"

If you're that afraid of Jack Russell terriers maybe you shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun in public.

160 tnguitarist  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:49:04am

re: #158 Varek Raith

Image: I_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

I was expecting a pelican.

161 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:49:50am

re: #160 tnguitarist

I was expecting a pelican.

Thought of using that one.

162 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:54:06am

Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Toronto cop who squeezed motorist’s testicles found guilty of sexual assault
[Link: www.thestar.com...]

A Toronto police officer found guilty of grabbing and squeezing the testicles of a motorist after a traffic stop two years ago will be sentenced Feb 2.

Const. Salameh Marji was found guilty of one count of assault and a count of sexual assault.
.....
The driver testified that Marji, who earlier that year was named police officer of the month, punched him in the face and slammed his head on the police cruiser.

In a search, which was considered unlawful by the judge, Marji also grabbed the driver twice by the testicles and squeezed so hard as to elicit screams of pain.

The judge noted that during the second assault, Marji lifted the driver by the testicles. The pain was so severe his feet curled up off the ground, Favret said in her judgment.

“The constable violated (the driver’s) sexual integrity, given the body part he touched and the nature of the touch,” she said.

163 Jimmi the Grey  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:54:09am

re: #159 RogueOne

Yeah...

Two thoughts on that story...

1. If you are so afraid of something the size of a medium-small house cat rushing you then maybe Law Enforcement was a bad career choice.

2. Nice shot...small, fast moving target!

164 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:56:33am

re: #162 RogueOne

More FTA:

Evidence presented in court suggested the driver was suspected of being involved in drug activity because he was carrying two cellphones. It was later learned he was a cellphone sales representative.

Oops.

165 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:56:38am

re: #159 RogueOne

What a pansy ass cop.

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:59:35am

re: #159 RogueOne

Puppycide with possibly the dumbest headline I've seen in awhile:

Woman not happy about deputy shooting her dog
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

If you're that afraid of Jack Russell terriers maybe you shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun in public.

"In baseball news, Vince Delmonde will not be pitching today. As you may recall, he was frightened by a small child on Halloween..."

167 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 4:59:59am

It wouldn't be so bad if it was a gator or a freaking mountain lion or a bear.
But a goofy little dog?
Sheesh.

168 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:00:15am

re: #165 Varek Raith

What a pansy ass cop.

My favorite neighbor was a drug dealer. He was always quiet and I never had any issues with him. My only concern with him living there was the thought that the police would mistakenly come to my house looking for him (the police were the ones that told me he was a dealer). My dogs have bowel movements bigger than Jack Russells, if they're afraid of small dogs they aren't going to like how mine greet strangers at the door.

169 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:02:08am
170 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:05:06am

Mountain lions in DC.
Fuck that shit.
I'm staying home.

:P

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:06:49am

re: #167 Varek Raith

I could use that cop when battling those stupid giants and mammoths. Trigger-happy, and not a loss if stomped upon.

/

172 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:08:36am

re: #171 Sergey Romanov

I could use that cop when battling those stupid giants and mammoths. Trigger-happy, and not a loss if stomped upon.

/

At least they aren't like the deathclaws in Fallout.
Those bastards will sneak up on you.

173 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:12:24am

Anderson Co. Sheriff: Drug Arrests Thrown Out Because Of SLED Agent
[Link: www2.wspa.com...]

The Anderson County Sheriff says a drug case is being thrown out because an agent with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division gave false information to get arrest warrants.

Sheriff John Skipper held a news conference late Tuesday afternoon and said a joint drug bust that happened in November of last year involving SLED and his department resulted in 16 arrests. The state Attorney General's office is not going to prosecute those 16 people.
....
"We have plenty of evidence that these folks are guilty, let's don't get it wrong, I'm comfortable to say," explained Skipper. "We got all these defendants on audio recording of them plotting and planning and doing these drug deals."

They were all obviously guilty which is why they had to lie to get the warrants.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:13:11am

re: #170 Varek Raith

My dad's newspaper (Bluefield, WV) had a picture of a 300lb black bear in a trashcan in town.

175 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:14:55am

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dad's newspaper (Bluefield, WV) had a picture of a 300lb black bear in a trashcan in town.

Why would someone throw away a perfectly good bear?

(I'm channeling Satt)

176 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:16:00am

re: #175 RogueOne

Needs moar commas,,,

177 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:20:50am

I must say, it's nice spending a holiday alone.
None of that "family" nonsense.
:)

178 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:21:54am

Hunter to Be Charged in NY School Bus Shooting
[Link: www.myfoxatlanta.com...]

Bus season doesn't start until February.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:23:10am

re: #177 Varek Raith

I must say, it's nice spending a holiday alone.
None of that "family" nonsense.
:)

You are not alone
For I'm here with you
///

180 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:23:21am

Pools Closed:

Paterno's Wife Barred from Penn State Pool
[Link: www.myfoxatlanta.com...]

The wife of former Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno will have to find a new place to swim after school officials decided to ban her from the university pool.

A source close to the Paterno family told The Harrisburg Patriot-News that Sue Paterno was informed Wednesday she would no longer be welcomed at the school's facilities, adding that no reason was given.

181 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:23:28am

re: #178 RogueOne

Hunter to Be Charged in NY School Bus Shooting
[Link: www.myfoxatlanta.com...]

Bus season doesn't start until February.

And why the hell is he trying to bring a bus down with a rifle?
RPG is a minimum req.

182 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:25:20am

re: #181 Varek Raith

And why the hell is he trying to bring a bus down with a rifle?
RPG is a minimum req.

Shooting them with a rifle only makes them mad.

183 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:27:13am

re: #182 RogueOne

Shooting them with a rifle only makes them mad.

184 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:27:53am

Trapper Catches 75-Pound Beaver
[Link: www.myfoxatlanta.com...]

In honor of Thanksgiving I'll refrain from the obvious jokes.

185 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:28:21am

re: #181 Varek Raith

And why the hell is he trying to bring a bus down with a rifle?
RPG is a minimum req.

All you have to do is shoot out a rear tire and it will explode and flip. Haven't you seen any movies?

186 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:37:37am

re: #159 RogueOne

why didn't he just pepper spray it?

187 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:39:19am

re: #186 ralphieboy

why didn't he just pepper spray it?

Used up all the pepper spray on OWS.
/

188 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:40:33am

then he could have used puppy spray

189 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:49:56am

Fall off your bike? That's a tasing!

Halifax County man dies after being shot with stun gun
[Link: www.wral.com...]

Scotland Neck, N.C. — A 61-year-old Halifax County man died Tuesday, a day after police shocked him with a stun gun while he was riding his bike, family members said.

Scotland Neck Police Chief Joe Williams said they received a call Monday night about a man who fell off of his bicycle and injured himself in the parking lot of the BB&T bank, 1001 Main St. The caller was concerned that the man was drunk.

When Officer John Turner arrived, he saw Roger Anthony pedaling away along 10th Street. He followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop, but Anthony continued to ride away, police said.

Williams said Turner then saw Anthony take something out his pocket and put it into his mouth. At that time, Turner got out of the car and yelled for Anthony to stop. When Anthony didn't stop, the officer used a stun gun on him, causing him to fall off of his bike.

Anthony was transported to Pitt County Memorial Hospital, where he was declared brain dead, his sister Gladys Freeman said. He was taken off of life support on Tuesday.

Freeman said her brother was disabled, suffered from seizures and had trouble hearing. She said he was riding his bike home from her house on Sunday night. Anthony lived alone in an independent living community.

Williams would not comment further on the incident, citing an ongoing investigation. Turner, who has been on the force for just over a month, has been placed on administrative leave.

Scotland Neck Mayor James Mills is calling for the State Bureau of Investigation to look into what happened.

"The best we've been able to determine is that he offered no threat," Mills said.

190 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:51:41am

re: #189 RogueOne

More from the Mayor:

[Link: www.rrdailyherald.com...]

A Scotland Neck police officer has been put on administrative leave and the town’s mayor and police chief have called for a state investigation following the death of a Halifax County man Tuesday, who was shocked by police with a stun gun Monday.

Mayor James Mills told The Daily Herald he first heard of Roger Anthony’s death around 2:30 p.m. Tuesday when a friend in the community called and asked if he had heard (local police) “Tasered” Anthony.

WRAL reported Anthony was taken to Pitt County Memorial Hospital, where he was declared brain dead, according to his sister Gladys Freeman. He was taken off of life support on Tuesday, the WRAL report said.

“From what I know of the situation ... this looks mighty suspicious,” Mills told The Daily Herald. “This was a man (Anthony) that was known for his gentleness and his meekness. He had a great and honorable reputation in our community. He had health problems, difficulty hearing, seizures and other health issues. It is inconceivable to us that he posed any threat to anyone. We’re waiting for the results of the investigation.”

191 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:02:15am

re: #190 RogueOne
Whatever happened to "I can't comment as we have an investigation in progress"?

192 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:02:48am

re: #191 rwdflynavy

Whatever happened to "I can't comment as we have an investigation in progress"?

Also, Happy Thanksgiving Honcos!!

193 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:03:21am

Seattle officer's 'Just yank 'em' comment raises questions
[Link: www.kirotv.com...]

SEATTLE —

What turns out to be an innocent black suspect ends up at the hospital with a bloody face and a broken rib -- courtesy of a pair of white Seattle police officers.

Undercover officers from the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct Anti-Crime Team were running a "drug traffic loitering" sting in January last year when Terry Jefferson's white Cadillac DeVille caught their attention. It’s unclear from public records if police knew Jefferson lived in the neighborhood.

According to an incident report, "Officers observed (suspect) S/Jefferson make a hand to hand exchange" near a 76 gas station at 23rd and Union. There is no video of that, but dash camera video obtained by KIRO Team 7 Investigators shows a marked cruiser stopped in front of the Cadillac a few blocks away. Jefferson says he thought police wanted to go past him on the narrow street, so he backed his car up on the curb out of the way.
....
Even though Jefferson appears to comply with the request, within six seconds of exiting his cruiser, the first officer pulled Jefferson from his car and used a "straight arm bar takedown."

Reports say Jefferson “hit his face on the pavement." Two officers spent the next 15 seconds behind the car door using "feet - knees- hands - and elbows" before getting Jefferson into custody.
....
After finding no weapons or drugs in Jefferson's car, SPD arrested him for "obstruction."

Prosecutors later dropped that charge.

194 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:04:38am

re: #191 rwdflynavy

Whatever happened to "I can't comment as we have an investigation in progress"?

A. He's the outgoing mayor, what does he have to lose and
B. Sounds like everyone in town knew the guy.

195 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:05:30am

re: #120 Sergey Romanov

:P

I see. That is a good explanation. Hard to follow if you don't know who Gregor Mendel was or what Lamarkism is, but very good.

196 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:06:01am

re: #194 RogueOne

A. He's the outgoing mayor, what does he have to lose and
B. Sounds like everyone in town knew the guy.

Not quite everyone...


//

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:06:37am

re: #194 RogueOne

A. He's the outgoing mayor, what does he have to lose and
B. Sounds like everyone in town knew the guy.

Everybody but the new cop.

198 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:07:03am

Occupy Vs. Ackermann
Protesters Confront Germany's Top Banker

Josef Ackermann was meant to give a speech in Hamburg about business ethics, but then masked Occupy activists stormed the event. The Deutsche Bank chief remained cool and sought dialogue, saying he had waited for just such an opportunity for years. In the end, it was his masked opponents who fell short.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

199 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:07:38am

re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

gmta

200 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:08:37am

re: #189 RogueOne

We have this linear notion that more police = better police protection.

That is not exactly a 1:1 relationship. The quality of police protection also depends on the quality of the officers, their training, their commitment and their sense of judgement.

One bad cop can undo the work of dozens of good cops.

Look at what Officer Pepper Spray has done to the reputation of campus policemen everywhere.

201 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:09:03am

re: #198 000G

Occupy Vs. Ackermann
Protesters Confront Germany's Top Banker

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

DERP.
This is what happens when you don't plan for the 'after we storm the place' part.
XD

202 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:09:58am

re: #194 RogueOne

Oh hai. Happy Sharia Turkey day ;) Here's something you might want to add to your police blotter files:

RCMP cameras with crime photos found in trees

A B.C. man has seized two surveillance cameras he says RCMP had hidden in trees near his trailer home, and they are full of images from crime scenes and investigations
...
Nordick said he took the cameras down, removed the memory cards inside, and found pictures of himself and his friends coming and going from his trailer among the 200 images on the cameras.

There were also pictures of drug busts, suicides and assaults, "and it looked like they just hadn't been erased off the card,” said Nordick.

He said he saw a photo of a dead body and images of a woman who was the apparent victim of an assault.
...
The cameras even had pictures of police installing the devices in the trees.

He said he was alerted to the cameras because they used a flash when they were filming.

”I would say it's 100 per cent sloppy police work. It's Charlie Brown technique, I would say,” said Nordick.

203 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:10:38am

re: #198 000G

Occupy Vs. Ackermann
Protesters Confront Germany's Top Banker

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

The mark of a good leader: Ackermann knew long before he might face a situation like this and had made a plan to deal with it. When the Occupy crowd showed up, he didn't freeze, shout, or run; What he did was calmly pull his plan from its pigeon-hole and execute it. Well done!

204 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:11:17am

re: #201 Varek Raith

DERP.
This is what happens when you don't plan for the 'after we storm the place' part.
XD

A Guy Fawkes mask will only take you so far...

205 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:11:27am

Lots of Spiegel Online articles about the recently "uncovered" neo-nazi terror cell:

# 'An Attack on Democracy': German Parliament Condemns Neo-Nazi Terror
# Blind to Extremism: How Germany Overlooked the Threat from the Right
# German Interior Minister on Neo-Nazi Terror: 'We Have to Clarify What Happened in Our Society'
# Network of Evil: Twenty People May Have Helped German Terrorists
# The Brown Army Faction: A Disturbing New Dimension of Far-Right Terror

My personal take on it: The degree by which several German intelligence services have been involved in this stinks to high heaven.

206 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:11:31am

Cinnanom buns are up!
Grab some buns while they are hot!
Happy Turkey day y'all.

207 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:11:47am

re: #201 Varek Raith

DERP.
This is what happens when you don't plan for the 'after we storm the place' part.
XD

It was already planned: "After we storm the place, the workers of the world rise up as one, expropriate the expropriators, redistrube the wealth and welcome in the golden age of collective socialism!"

208 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:12:38am

re: #200 ralphieboy

We have this linear notion that more police = better police protection.

That is not exactly a 1:1 relationship. The quality of police protection also depends on the quality of the officers, their training, their commitment and their sense of judgement.

One bad cop can undo the work of dozens of good cops.

Look at what Officer Pepper Spray has done to the reputation of campus policemen everywhere.

Very well said. It's the quantity approach to government issues that almost always results in failure, whether you opt for the sheer more or for the sheer less approach.

209 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:13:06am
210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:13:39am

My son is works in a gourmet kitchen. Which is cool because he's upstairs whipping of some killer Thanksgiving dinner stuff.

That being said. There's a downside to having a gourmet type in your kitchen.

"Your oven sucks! No convection!?! These knives are dull! You don't have any sage? No Sage?!?! How do you have Thanksgiving without sage!"

Nice to have the little shit home.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:14:12am

re: #205 000G

Haven't read much on the case yet. Is this one of those where they put 5 people on trial and 4 of them turn out to be govt agents, or sumthn'?/

212 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:14:32am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son is works in a gourmet kitchen. Which is cool because he's upstairs whipping of some killer Thanksgiving dinner stuff.

That being said. There's a downside to having a gourmet type in your kitchen.

"Your oven sucks! No convection!?! These knives are dull! You don't have any sage? No Sage?!?! How do you have Thanksgiving without sage!"

Nice to have the little shit home.

Your kitchen must suck.
:P

213 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:14:45am

re: #202 publicityStunted

Wow. They really didn't think their plan all the way through did they.

214 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:15:32am

re: #201 Varek Raith

DERP.
This is what happens when you don't plan for the 'after we storm the place' part.
XD

The protestors made an even worse error: They assumed their target would make a mistake. They thought that Ackermann would either freeze up, call security, or put out some DERP! they could use to further their movement. Instead he responded smartly and caught them on the hop.

Moral of the story: Don't make a plan that relies on the other side making a mistake.

215 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:16:39am

re: #205 000G

Lots of Spiegel Online articles about the recently "uncovered" neo-nazi terror cell:

# 'An Attack on Democracy': German Parliament Condemns Neo-Nazi Terror
# Blind to Extremism: How Germany Overlooked the Threat from the Right
# German Interior Minister on Neo-Nazi Terror: 'We Have to Clarify What Happened in Our Society'
# Network of Evil: Twenty People May Have Helped German Terrorists
# The Brown Army Faction: A Disturbing New Dimension of Far-Right Terror

My personal take on it: The degree by which several German intelligence services have been involved in this stinks to high heaven.

Nazis. I hate these guys.

/I hate to say it.

216 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:17:37am

re: #211 Sergey Romanov

Haven't read much on the case yet. Is this one of those where they put 5 people on trial and 4 of them turn out to be govt agents, or sumthn'?/

Speaking of which, did everyone see this?

Informer’s Role in Terror Case Is Said to Have Deterred F.B.I.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The suspect had little money to speak of, was unable to pay his cellphone bill and scrounged for money to buy the drill bits that court papers said he required to make his pipe bombs. Initially, he had trouble drilling the small holes that needed to be made in the metal tubes.

The suspect, Jose Pimentel, according to several people briefed on the case, would seek help from a neighbor in Upper Manhattan as well as a confidential informer. That informer provided companionship and a staging area so Mr. Pimentel, a Muslim convert, could build three pipe bombs while the Intelligence Division of the New York Police Department built its case.

But it was the informer’s role, and that of his police handlers, that have now been cited as among the reasons the F.B.I., which had its own parallel investigation of Mr. Pimentel, did not pursue the case, which was announced on Sunday night in a news conference at City Hall. Terrorism cases are generally handled by federal authorities.

Whenever arrests like these are based so much on "confidential informants" warning flags pop up in my head.

217 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:17:43am

re: #205 000G

Lots of Spiegel Online articles about the recently "uncovered" neo-nazi terror cell:

# 'An Attack on Democracy': German Parliament Condemns Neo-Nazi Terror
# Blind to Extremism: How Germany Overlooked the Threat from the Right
# German Interior Minister on Neo-Nazi Terror: 'We Have to Clarify What Happened in Our Society'
# Network of Evil: Twenty People May Have Helped German Terrorists
# The Brown Army Faction: A Disturbing New Dimension of Far-Right Terror

My personal take on it: The degree by which several German intelligence services have been involved in this stinks to high heaven.

One more for the road:

# The World from Berlin: Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

218 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:18:12am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Especially the Illinois variety.
//

219 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:19:26am

re: #211 Sergey Romanov

Haven't read much on the case yet. Is this one of those where they put 5 people on trial and 4 of them turn out to be govt agents, or sumthn'?/

AFAIK none of the perps themselves were gov agents but the orgs in which they at times operated were run by gov agents; also there is a lot of suspicion about them having been under surveillance from intelligence services pretty much the whole time.

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:21:13am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

The Mask of the Stupid also makes this gold.

221 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:21:55am

re: #211 Sergey Romanov

Haven't read much on the case yet. Is this one of those where they put 5 people on trial and 4 of them turn out to be govt agents, or sumthn'?/

As I recall, Adolf Hitler first came into contact with the National Socialist Workers' Party because he was hired by the police to inform on them...

222 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:25:03am

Original story with all the gory details:

Police Kill Dying Cat, Resident Upset
[Link: www.whsv.com...]

with an update:

Harrisonburg City Council Still Discussing Cop Killing Cat Case
[Link: www.whsv.com...]

Harrisonburg city leaders are taking action to make sure an alleged beating of a wounded cat by a Harrisonburg police officer is not repeated.

The officer is accused of using his night stick to beat and kill a cat on a man's porch. The cat had been wounded by a car and police were called to euthanize it. But the man says the officer used unnecessary force, hitting the cat nearly 20 times and leaving a mess on the property.

223 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:27:23am

re: #221 ralphieboy

As I recall, Adolf Hitler first came into contact with the National Socialist Workers' Party because he was hired by the police to inform on them...

It was called the German Workers' Party back then, but yes, true enough.

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:27:40am

re: #222 RogueOne

Clearly the cops hate animals. //

225 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:29:09am

Found this quote working on a paper.


"Though familiarity may not breed contempt, it takes off the edge of admiration."
William Hazlitt

226 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:30:28am

re: #224 Sergey Romanov

Clearly the cops hate animals. //

There's a wounded xenomorph in the backyard.
Sergey, got take care of him.
Watch out, he's...
Temperamental.

227 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:30:30am

Great: This would essentially be "securitization" of government debt through government act. Bad, bad, bad, bad idea.

German Resistance to Pooling Debt May Be Shrinking

Never say never: The German government remains officially opposed to controversial euro bonds. Behind the scenes, however, press reports indicate that some within Chancellor Merkel's government have begun discussing the conditions under which they might accept a pooling of euro-zone debt.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

Enjoy your "asset"-backed securities, losers.

:-/

228 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:30:41am

re: #221 ralphieboy

As I recall, Adolf Hitler first came into contact with the National Socialist Workers' Party because he was hired by the police to inform on them...

You're close. He was actually still in the army at the time, and was assigned to spy on radical parties that were attracting soldiers to their meetings.

BBL

229 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:32:38am

Time for some quality relaxing.
Laters.
:)

230 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:33:11am

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

One of the downfalls of the German armed forces back then: They were supposed to be "neutral" to the state. Which didn't quite work out.

Today's model is "citizen in uniform", so that soldiers at least have to affirm the basic principles of our constitutional democracy. A lot of soldiers back then, maybe most, thought of the republic as a jewish conspiracy.

231 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:33:25am

re: #224 Sergey Romanov

Clearly the cops hate animals. //

I tried not to snicker at the thought of the homeowner being irritated about the officer leaving a beaten cat mess on his porch but I couldn't help it. In my defense it's either laugh or cry I guess.

232 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:33:53am

re: #229 Varek Raith

Sounds like Sith-speak for light-sabering the heads off puppies.

233 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:40:01am

re: #230 000G

A lot of [German] soldiers back then, maybe most, thought of the republic as a jewish conspiracy.

Many grew convinced that Germany only lost WWI because they were "stabbed in the back" by Jewish war profiteers.

The current German government tried to outlaw the ultra-right NPD, but the case was thrown out on the grounds that the informers they had snuck into the group had taken too active a role in it.

Which left them open to the old Die Schlampe hat mich reingelegt ("The bitch set me up") defense.

234 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:43:35am

re: #198 000G

Occupy Vs. Ackermann
Protesters Confront Germany's Top Banker

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

Guy Fawkes strikes again!

235 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:45:42am

Matt Taibbi releases another propaganda salvo:

UC Davis Pepper-Spray Incident Reveals Weakness Up Top

[…]

It was bad enough when we made police defend the use of torture and extrajudicial detention. Now they’re being asked to defend mass theft, Lloyd Blankfein’s bailout-paid bonus, the principle of Angelo Mozilo not doing jail time, and 28% credit card interest rates.

How strong can anyone defending those causes be? These people are weak and pathetic, and they’re getting weaker. And boy, are they showing it. Way to gear up with combat helmets and the full body armor, fellas, to take on a bunch of co-eds sitting Indian-style on a campus quad. Maybe after work you can go break up a game of duck-duck-goose at the local Chuck E Cheese. I’d bring the APC for that one.

Bravo to those kids who hung in there and took it. And bravo for standing up and showing everyone what real strength is. There is no strength without principle. You have it. They lost it. It’s as simple as that.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

236 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:47:49am

re: #233 ralphieboy

Many grew convinced that Germany only lost WWI because they were "stabbed in the back" by Jewish war profiteers.

Jewish war profiteers and Marxist Revolutionaries.

237 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:44am
238 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:58am

re: #235 000G

Taibbi sez...

Glenn Greenwald’s post at Salon says this far better than I can, but there are undeniable conclusions one can draw from this incident.

Glenn Greenwald? Ugh.

239 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:52:29am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Taibbi sez...

Glenn Greenwald? Ugh.

With the current resurgence of anti-corporatist sentiment, it's not just Matt Taibbi and Dylan Ratigan that enjoy more prominence, it's also good ol' Glenn Greenwald and crazy uncle Ron Paul.

240 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:53:24am
As Glenn points out, when we militarized our society in response to the global terrorist threat, we created a new psychological atmosphere in which the use of force and military technology became a favored method for dealing with dissent of any kind.

Uh, no. Our police force has become militarized because the criminals and meth dealers have access to lots of cheap weapons and amo.After years of being outgunned the police departments had to get assault weapons and APC's.

241 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:54:25am

re: #236 000G

Jewish war profiteers and Marxist Revolutionaries.

Point being that it wasn't their own fault for losing the war.

242 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:55:58am

re: #239 000G

With the current resurgence of anti-corporatist sentiment, it's not just Matt Taibbi and Dylan Ratigan that enjoy more prominence, it's also good ol' Glenn Greenwald and crazy uncle Ron Paul.

The nuts are migrating back to the left. There was a bit of a dustup yesterday at DKos about some 9-11 truther committee indicting Bush and Cheney for war crimes. It made it to the recommended list and some of the saner folks weren't happy about it.

243 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:58:03am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

After years of being outgunned the police departments had to get assault weapons and APC's.

Which undeniably lead to scenes like the following becoming commonplace:

Mistakes will always be made. And some techniques that are very effective in some regards produce a lot of mistakes in other regards. It's like Obdicut said: Does the solution create more problems than the problem it was supposed to fix? That's not just a legitimate question but a crucial one.

I don't know the answer in this case (because it's tied in to a host of other issues like drug and immigration laws), but I know that reflexively cheering for or against government is stupid.

244 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:58:49am

re: #241 ralphieboy

Point being that it wasn't their own fault for losing the war.

Well, that and "the war was the fault of everyone but Germany to begin with".

245 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:00:38am

re: #243 000G

Does the solution create more problems than the problem it was supposed to fix? That's not just a legitimate question but a crucial one.

Which is, btw, a major reason behind the campaign for nuclear disarmament, which, AFAIK, the USA endorses.

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:02:19am

Good Morning, Thanksgiving Lizards.

It's a gloomy grey day here in southern Wisconsin, but the line on the Packers-Lions has the Packers by 7 but with an over/under of 56(!). Obviously Lost Wages expects more offense than defense today. With the Bears now out of the picture (sorry DF, but them's the breaks... (try the veal, I'll be here all week, Thanks!)) it's not as critical for Detroit to win today for them to tied down their wild card slot but I'm sure they'd love to let the Miami boys have champaign with their turkey today.

Off to stuff a duck (that sounds almost as bad as my joke above). Later.

247 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:05:04am

Taibbi sorta did a little sharkey jumpey there.

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:07:20am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I noticed a resurgence of Chavistas too.

249 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:08:14am

It's Wifey's family in Hilo for me. Good thing about Black Friday: I get free time to golf or get my LGF on!

Been working my ass off recently cutting down on my LGF.

250 AK-47%  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:10:02am

re: #244 000G

Well, that and "the war was the fault of everyone but Germany to begin with".

Of course, the Treaty of Versailles was about "The war was entirely Germany's fault!"

251 RogueOne  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:12:34am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Uh, no. Our police force has become militarized because the criminals and meth dealers have access to lots of cheap weapons and amo.After years of being outgunned the police departments had to get assault weapons and APC's.

I'm going to disagree. Their usual justification for the use of SWAT teams and military tactics is officer safety. Hence we have even small towns owning and using APC's. The big transfers of military equipment to local police departments started in the 90's and has been accelerated after 9/11.

252 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:15:46am

re: #247 BigPapa

Taibbi sorta did a little sharkey jumpey there.

Sort of. I'm not really that familiar with with him but I think what's going on is the wheels have come off the OWS thing much faster than anyone expected. After 8 weeks OWS is already more unpopular than the Tea Party even though the majority of Americans generally agree with them on policy. All the camps are closed, the pepper spray at UC Davis is the last hope to keep OWS in the news.
Supporters are struggling to understand what happened and what went wrong. The die hard supporters are going to fall back on some pretty nutty ideas in an effort for things to makes sense.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:16:34am

A friend of mine is already having a bad day. Funny FB post.

Sooo, I always brine the turkey, right? So this morning at 8 I pull the turkey out and give him a bath and he is draining. I pick up the brine bucket to pour it out and it split down the middle and all that liquid doused me and filled my kitchen floor about an inch deep. So I call Jamie & Cassie and they come over with the steam mop and we have to pull out the oven and fridge and mop. Doing laundry now.

That's not all. This turkey's skin is torn and his legs are dangling. Being a nurse, I decide to suture his skin so the breast meat won't get dry. It ain't purty. A nurse I am, a surgeon, I'm not. So I got him sutured and dressed and in the pan. I decide to shake pepper on him and the lid pops off and the entire (full) shaker spills on him. It's going to be more like a blackened turkey.
So. Frankenbyrd is in the oven. I'm resting now.

254 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:17:32am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

All the camps are closed,

Wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid.

You lose some credibility as an observer of OWS when you apparently lack basic facts.

255 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:18:50am

re: #251 RogueOne

I'm going to disagree. Their usual justification for the use of SWAT teams and military tactics is officer safety. Hence we have even small towns owning and using APC's. The big transfers of military equipment to local police departments started in the 90's and has been accelerated after 9/11.

I don't totally disagree with that. I think homeland security grants helped even small towns beef up their police departments so 9-11 did help speed things along but the need predates 9-11. Small cities and towns aren't really that concerned with terrorist attacks in rural areas. The officers are more worried about being shot in a drug raid.

256 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:19:23am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This makes me glad I decided not to brine the turkey this year. We're just doing a very, very simple one, just cooking it breast-down for two hours, flipping it, covering it with butter-soaked cheesecloth. Oh, and it's got stuffing, of course.

And my parents will be here in about ten minutes, so have a happy thanksgiving, everyone.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:20:02am

re: #256 Obdicut

Enjoy, my friend the turkey.

258 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:21:01am

re: #254 Obdicut

Wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid.

You lose some credibility as an observer as OWS when you apparently lack basic facts.

LA is the last major city with an OWS camp and they're going to close it next week.

259 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:23:05am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

Followed up on that hint. The recced diary was deleted, but it also turned out that one of their frontpagers also wrote a story about this (talk about a megafacepalm!). Thankfully, she got her ass handed to her on a platter:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

And this also made the reclist:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

So while the signs of craziness are there, the more reasonable people still win the day (for today).

PS: Greenwald also publicized that stupid story.

260 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:25:09am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

That's a much better attempt at dealing with facts. Why not do that the first time around?

You're an addict to hyperbole.

A hyperbolophile? Hyperbolerator? Hyperbolemonger?

Anyway-- there's the doorbell.

Eat too much and pass out, everyone.

261 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:31:50am

re: #250 ralphieboy

Of course, the Treaty of Versailles was about "The war was entirely Germany's fault!"

Among many other things, yes.

Almost a hundred years later, modern historiography has only slightly modified that verdict.

262 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:34:15am

re: #260 Obdicut

You're an addict to hyperbole.

Which is, conincidentally, also a characteristic of Matt Taibbi. :-)

263 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:36:36am

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

Followed up on that hint. The recced diary was deleted, but it also turned out that one of their frontpagers also wrote a story about this (talk about a megafacepalm!). Thankfully, she got her ass handed to her on a platter:

Ah, thanks for looking into it. I saw some of the backlash but I didn't see the offending diaries. No surprise seeing Greenwald fall for that one. He's an epic idiot.

264 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:36:54am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A friend of mine is already having a bad day. Funny FB post.

At that point, I would have made reservations at a nice restaurant!

265 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:37:00am

OT I just posted this page on celebrity victims of UK phone hacking. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

266 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:38:24am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Sort of. I'm not really that familiar with with him

I really suggest you punch out and take the time to read the following pieces by him:

Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
The People vs. Goldman Sachs
Testimony, Goldman-Style; A Tour Through the Levin Report
Is the SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?

(the first one made it on the featured LGF pages again today)

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:39:46am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

This comment by kos under the deleted diary is why I don't think that in the end dkos will fall far too deep. If this continues, I hope he will make a second cleansing of the crazies (like when he banned truthers):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Honestly (43+ / 0-)

it's EMBARRASSING that anyone in this community would rec this -- a report from Iran's propaganda arm on an irrelevant "judgment" from a symbolic group of random people in Malaysia, presided by an anti-semitic lawyer.


by kos on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:54:39 PM PST

268 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:40:58am

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

And this also made the reclist:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Heh:

"Reality-based" my ass. There was a diary on the rec list that says that says "Bush, Blair, Found Guilty of War Crimes". It then proceeds to quote the Iranian regime propaganda organ Press TV about some "war crimes tribunal".

269 Lidane  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:43:28am

Why am I awake before 10am? Oh, right. Because the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade is on, and then there's the Packers/Lions game.

Happy Thanksgiving, Lizards! :)

270 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:44:34am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A friend of mine is already having a bad day. Funny FB post.

At least she has sage.

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:44:50am

re: #266 000G

I really suggest you punch out and take the time to read the following pieces by him:

Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
The People vs. Goldman Sachs
Testimony, Goldman-Style; A Tour Through the Levin Report
Is the SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?

(the first one made it on the featured LGF pages again today)

Thanks but I'm not sure if I'm that interested in what Glenn Greenwald fans think about anything. He's certainly entitled to his opinion but I'm not that interested right now. Maybe later.

272 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:47:18am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Thanks but I'm not sure if I'm that interested in what Glenn Greenwald fans think about anything. He's certainly entitled to his opinion but I'm not that interested right now. Maybe later.

Well, I don't know if affirmingly quoting some Greenwald passages makes Taibbi a "fan". But at least he's not a Paulbot, so maybe that will satisfy your preferences in ideological purity.

273 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:49:11am

Happy Thanksgiving, Lizardia!

Last night, I watched "Hanna." It had great acting, especially Cate Blanchette chewing up the scenery as an over-the-top snarling supervillain with her Texas accent from "The Missing," and some blonde girl as the superhero.

Is this movie based on a graphic novel? Because every scene looked like a panel from a comic book.

274 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:49:53am

President Obama's Thanksgiving address (it's best to listen to him directly):

275 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:50:16am

re: #272 000G

Well, I don't know if affirmingly quoting some Greenwald passages makes Taibbi a "fan". But at least he's not a Paulbot, so maybe that will satisfy your preferences in ideological purity.

If he stays relevant I'll look into him and his past writings eventually.

276 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:51:51am

re: #275 Killgore Trout

If he stays relevant I'll look into him and his past writings eventually.

Taibbi is a good writer, and he doesn't pull punches. He's worth the time it takes to read him.

277 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:53:37am

re: #276 darthstar

Taibbi is a good writer, and he doesn't pull punches. He's worth the time it takes to read him.

Trivia bit: He's also the son of award-winning NBC reporter Mike Taibbi

278 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:57:32am

re: #277 publicityStunted

Trivia bit: He's also the son of award-winning NBC reporter Mike Taibbi

I didn't know that...so many sons of greats (Chris Wallace, Joe Buck) turn out to be douchebags with no class...those two examples especially get under my skin.

I'm rarely disappointed by Taibbi though. Luke Russert isn't bad either, but he's not his father.

280 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:08:33am

It's quiet here this morning...Come on, people...IT'S JUST A FUCKING PARADE! And Matt Lauer is a dweeb. Besides, the internets are much more fun than family.

281 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:12:21am
282 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:20:32am

re: #56 freetoken

The tending of plants may very well predate 10,000 years ago. While larger scale organized plant growth and animal husbandry - agriculture - appears to have arisen around 10,000 years ago, earlier than that humans very well could have been doing more to plants than just eating them. The challenge for determining this is in part due to the fact that the climate didn't stabilize until around 10,000 years ago, after a rapid (but highly irregular) warming from the depths of the last glaciation. The rapid changes (and sea level rises) probably obliterated much evidence. We do know that humans have had companion animals (e.g., dogs) for a very long time.

Nevertheless, I was not trying to argue that gardening techniques per se are an instinct, but that they tap into a very basic instinct, as does cooking, about the nature of food. That is, food is not a happenstance thing but something over which we can exert control.

This very climate variability is a big reason why agriculture can hardly have come on the scene any sooner. When the climate is messed up, agriculture isn't nearly as easy as when it's predictable.

Aside---I know we're the choir on this subject, but still---

HINT HINT AGW "skeptics"---you-all may wish you hadn't had quite the success you've been getting in the public square. Nature isn't going to believe you, and food will be harder to rustle up.

283 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:22:22am

re: #282 lostlakehiker

HINT HINT AGW "skeptics"---you-all may wish you hadn't had quite the success you've been getting in the public square. Nature isn't going to believe you, and food will be harder to rustle up.

Paged something on that issue this morning: Global Warming's War on Thanksgiving

Happy Holidays :/

284 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:22:57am

re: #280 darthstar

It's quiet here this morning...Come on, people...IT'S JUST A FUCKING PARADE! And Matt Lauer is a dweeb. Besides, the internets are much more fun than family.

LOL yup..It's going to be a day
First..The family thanksgiving at 2pm..Then I will be visiting friends during the day and watching football...I'll even be seeing my ex-wife today...All my kids..Which is awesome..Tonight I'll be watching the 49ers game with my old buddies from College...Busy day

285 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:33:25am

re: #284 HoosierHoops

LOL yup..It's going to be a day
First..The family thanksgiving at 2pm..Then I will be visiting friends during the day and watching football...I'll even be seeing my ex-wife today...All my kids..Which is awesome..Tonight I'll be watching the 49ers game with my old buddies from College...Busy day

Have a wonderful day...the Niners are doomed to lose though, as I told a waiter last night to bet on them over the Ravens. I always lose when I pick a team for money.

286 sagehen  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:42:31am

re: #283 publicityStunted

Paged something on that issue this morning: Global Warming's War on Thanksgiving

Happy Holidays :/

I'm thinking we could get the deniers to acknowledge the science by harping on what a boon global warming will be to Russia.

St Petersburg a year round port, and a navigable arctic. All that permafrost tundra in Siberia, suddenly turned into rich farmland. Undersea oil and diamond deposits they've already sent submarines to plant their flag on, in arctic areas that are too close to their land for us to really argue about whose territory it is...

287 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:46:16am

re: #286 sagehen

I'm thinking we could get the deniers to acknowledge the science by harping on what a boon global warming will be to Russia.

St Petersburg a year round port, and a navigable arctic. All that permafrost tundra in Siberia, suddenly turned into rich farmland. Undersea oil and diamond deposits they've already sent submarines to plant their flag on, in arctic areas that are too close to their land for us to really argue about whose territory it is...

We'll need that Siberian rice and wheat to feed the millions of starving Americans in the American dust-bowl of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Oklahoma. Food riots will be the new tailgate party at college games.

288 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:47:11am

re: #243 000G

Which undeniably lead to scenes like the following becoming commonplace:

[Video]Mistakes will always be made. And some techniques that are very effective in some regards produce a lot of mistakes in other regards. It's like Obdicut said: Does the solution create more problems than the problem it was supposed to fix? That's not just a legitimate question but a crucial one.

I don't know the answer in this case (because it's tied in to a host of other issues like drug and immigration laws), but I know that reflexively cheering for or against government is stupid.

Another matter (at least in the southern border state) is the drug cartels. Given the Zetas' use of armored vehicles, the cops are actually in need of M2HB .50 cal machine guns. The problem is that once a "war mentality" sets in in a man's mind, it never truly leaves.

289 allegro  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:50:27am

re: #286 sagehen

I'm thinking we could get the deniers to acknowledge the science by harping on what a boon global warming will be to Russia.

St Petersburg a year round port, and a navigable arctic. All that permafrost tundra in Siberia, suddenly turned into rich farmland. Undersea oil and diamond deposits they've already sent submarines to plant their flag on, in arctic areas that are too close to their land for us to really argue about whose territory it is...

From what I understand, all that melting tundra will be farting some serious methane. This is not a good thing.

290 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:51:15am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that once a "war mentality" sets in in a man's mind, it never truly leaves.

You don't say...

Happy Thanksgiving, Dark. Hold the potatoes and pass the ammunition.

291 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:53:48am

re: #290 darthstar

You don't say...

Happy Thanksgiving, Dark. Hold the potatoes and pass the ammunition.

7.62 by 39, 51, or 54R? :D

292 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:54:22am

Happy Thankgiving lizards!

(This is my first post by iPhone)

293 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:55:57am

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

Happy Thankgiving lizards!

(This is my first post by iPhone)

They got to you too...Happy Turkey day...remember not to walk while holding your iPhone. You'll run into a wall and then drop it, and there goes another $500.

294 sagehen  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:58:57am

re: #289 allegro

From what I understand, all that melting tundra will be farting some serious methane. This is not a good thing.

that's "natural gas", right? Another big score for Russkies.

295 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:00:28am

re: #294 sagehen

that's "natural gas", right? Another big score for Russkies.

Umm, not exactly. It's spread out so much that it would be very difficult to extract it economically.

296 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:03:04am

The parade is over. NBC did an OK job. CBS was horendous.

297 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:05:06am

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

The parade is over. NBC did an OK job. CBS was horendous.

What did CBS do wrong?

298 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:06:57am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

What did CBS do wrong?

They claimed Snoopy was AWOL.

299 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:10:57am

I a moment of weakness I thought I might procrastinate, buy Skyrim and waste a bunch of time. $60 to buy from Steam. Fuck that, being somewhat productive is much cheaper.

300 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:10:58am

re: #298 darthstar

They claimed Snoopy was AWOL.

As punishment, the CBS broadcast crew is to be locked in a room for 1 hour with Michelle Bachmann and will be forced to interview her. If they avoid being hypnotized by the Crazy Eyes, it'll be a Christmas Miracle.

301 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:13:16am

Okay...time to get a move on...gotta run the dogs, then help the missus make mashed spuds & celeriac...then it's off to the club for a swim before going to a friend's for food & football.

302 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:14:33am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

What did CBS do wrong?

They spent more time showing the announcers and interviews than the actual parade. It seemed to be all about them, not the parade.

303 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:14:54am

Happy Thanksgiving LGF!

304 Lidane  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:14:57am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

What did CBS do wrong?

Everything. The commentators were idiots. I couldn't believe how bad their coverage was.

305 allegro  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:16:02am

re: #304 Lidane

Everything. The commentators were idiots. I couldn't believe how bad their coverage was.

I guess I had more fun at the grocery store then. Now I don't have to feel deprived.

306 Lidane  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:18:34am

Now I'm suffering through Frank Calliendo doing a terrible John Madden impression. WTF.

307 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:19:04am

re: #304 Lidane

Everything. The commentators were idiots. I couldn't believe how bad their coverage was.

Make sure to email CBS about it. Enough complaints and the commentators will get lumps of coal in their Christmas bonus check envelopes.

//

308 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:22:54am

re: #305 allegro

I guess I had more fun at the grocery store then. Now I don't have to feel deprived.

Cool, I'm not the only one buying grub at the store today!

309 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:28:23am

Well, it seems my jokes are falling flat. So I'll head off to brunch now. BBL

310 Aye Pod  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:28:40am

The religion of an increasingly godless America

The research also found that more than one in four Millennials have no religious affiliation at all, the largest of any generation, though only by a small margin, as one in five Gen Xers is also irreligious. The percentage of unaffiliated Americans has grown gradually over the generations, but with the Millennials, we’re seeing a new trend emerge. There is now a large group of Americans who have a faith, but separate it from public life, keeping it in the private sphere.

What we’re seeing with the heightened emphasis on religion in politics is the death throes of the old order. After all, in the past, where it was assumed that a vast majority of Americans were not only religious, but Christian, those who wanted Christianity to dominate didn’t feel they had anything to prove. It’s only when they started to feel their power threatened did they become defensive, and in doing so, became much louder.


Read the full article here

311 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:29:07am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

Make sure to email CBS about it. Enough complaints and the commentators will get lumps of coal in their Christmas bonus check envelopes.

//

You can leave a comment here although I doubt they give a shit.

312 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:29:29am

re: #303 Stanley Sea

Happy Thanksgiving LGF!

Happy Thanksgiving!

I have to make some corn pudding. Gotta read how to scald milk!

313 Aye Pod  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:30:29am

Speaking of godless America, happy thanksgiving folks!

314 garhighway  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:32:57am

Greetings from Marrakesh, lizards! I'm here on vacation and have wandered into their election, which is a very big deal here.

315 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:32:58am

Cool, Tim Burton has a parade balloon.

316 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:34:56am

re: #310 Jimmah

The religion of an increasingly godless America


Read the full article here

Thank God! Lol, greets to you and Icey!!!

317 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:37:13am

re: #314 garhighway

Greetings from Marrakesh, lizards! I'm here on vacation and have wandered into their election, which is a very big deal here.

We are in NJ and have Occupied my mom's house. No elections here, just food, drinks, and family.

318 garhighway  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:38:40am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

We are in NJ and have Occupied my mom's house. No elections here, just food, drinks, and family.

That works, too.

319 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:39:21am

Ugh: from [Link: twitter.com...]

Just met @monaeltahawy. Here she is with her casted arms. #tahrir [Link: t.co...]

The story of what @monaeltahawy went through is horrific. Her left forearm & right hand are both broken, & was sexually harassed. #tahrir

Mona Eltahawy (Arabic: منى الطحاوى‎, IPA: [ˈmonæ (ʔe)ltˤɑˈħɑːwi]) (born 1 August 1967, Port Said, Egypt) is a freelance Egyptian-American journalist based in New York.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I just linked a story from her the other day: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

320 Aye Pod  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:45:39am

re: #316 Stanley Sea

Thank God! Lol, greets to you and Icey!!!

Hi there Stanley! Btw I managed to get the day off work today for thanksgiving as a special request, on account of my American wife :)

We're off to get high and watch Highlander movies (that's our thaksgiving tradion btw). Have a good one!

321 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:46:09am

re: #159 RogueOne

Puppycide with possibly the dumbest headline I've seen in awhile:

Woman not happy about deputy shooting her dog
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

If you're that afraid of Jack Russell terriers maybe you shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun in public.

You would also think that law enforcement training would include specifics on behavior patterns of domestic animals. Dogs are going to react that way to strangers entering their territory. And there are ways to handle that situation that do not involve shooting the dog.

322 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:54:14am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son is works in a gourmet kitchen. Which is cool because he's upstairs whipping of some killer Thanksgiving dinner stuff.

That being said. There's a downside to having a gourmet type in your kitchen.

"Your oven sucks! No convection!?! These knives are dull! You don't have any sage? No Sage?!?! How do you have Thanksgiving without sage!"

Nice to have the little shit home.

Now there's something for Cooking Network to do - competitions where they put the chefs in people's homes. (Though that is a bit like the existing show Dinner: Impossible where you get to watch Robert Irvine freak out.)

323 allegro  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 10:05:03am

re: #322 oaktree

Now there's something for Cooking Network to do - competitions where they put the chefs in people's homes. (Though that is a bit like the existing show Dinner: Impossible where you get to watch Robert Irvine freak out.)

That's actually an outstanding idea! I would watch that.

324 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 10:07:45am

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

We are in NJ and have Occupied my mom's house. No elections here, just food, drinks, and family.

Expect Corzine to turn up at the door begging for table scraps...

325 darthstar  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 10:08:28am

A Thanksgiving tradition of ours...

326 sagehen  Thu, Nov 24, 2011 10:36:36am

re: #320 Jimmah

Hi there Stanley! Btw I managed to get the day off work today for thanksgiving as a special request, on account of my American wife :)

We're off to get high and watch Highlander movies (that's our thaksgiving tradion btw). Have a good one!

OMG NO!! Don't do it!! (except the first one. after that, episodes of the TV series are MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the Zeist abomination, and OMG The Source is The Worst Movie Ever Made.)


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