Amazingly, Pamela Geller’s Butterball Fail Continues

Laughing stock doesn’t know when to quit
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Hateblogger Pamela Geller is nothing if not persistent; in fact, she’s the Energizer Bunny of anti-Muslim hate speech, and her utterly hilarious Butterball conspiracy theory is still going! Now she’s accusing them of a “cover up.”

Wingnut comedy like this is impossible to write; only the authentically insane can maintain the level of craziness it takes to furiously hammer out one of these crazed rants: BUTTERBALL’S COVER-UP — OR IS THAT A BURQA????!!! - Atlas Shrugs

Butterball is now backpedaling and have scrubbed their website of all “halal certification.” Why? What are they hiding? I never thought that Butterball would be this dishonest in dealing with their customers. It shows an utter contempt and lack of respect for the American people. And what an incredibly stupid way to deal with a public relations disaster. It took them five days to come up with this?

Look out, she’s got screenshots to prove her claim that Butterball has “scrubbed” their website of all mentions of halal certification!

Except that … well, they didn’t. Two can play at this screenshot game! From Butterball’s international products page:

With expertise in catering to the cultural and linguistic needs of countries all around the world, we are USDA Approved, Russian Approved, and Halal Certified.

Apparently, Butterball removed the mention of halal certification from their pages intended for US consumers, because, as they patiently explained yesterday, Butterball turkeys sold in the US are not certified halal.

But in Geller’s feverish imagination, this is a “cover up.” She can probably take credit, though, for whipping up her deranged followers into a frenzy and getting them to pester Butterball customer support with dumb, hateful questions, leading the company to clarify the statements on their website in a futile attempt to put a stop to this foolishness.

These are the kinds of people who’ve been ranting at Butterball’s customer support; Geller quotes one of her lame-brained commenters with approval:

Has anyone told the kow-towing, mindless , narcissistic Rachel Maddow that being “gay” is not considered “halal” by the Muslims.

The self destructive lunacy of the gay community defies belief as they side with Islam which will have them beheaded under Sharia.

How can you really tell that Geller’s lost in cloud cuckoo land with this one? Not even Fox News ran with her idiotic conspiracy theory.

Now that’s crazy.

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187 comments
1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:40:32am

I don't know, If I was personally listed on the SPLC site, I'd have to rethink my belief system. Maybe consult a counsellor, priest, rabbi . . .

But that is just me.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:45:44am
Has anyone told the kow-towing, mindless , narcissistic Rachel Maddow that being “gay” is not considered “halal” by the Muslims.

Wut, Muslims don't eat gays?!?!?!
//

3 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:47:04am

Obsessive can't stop.

4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:47:20am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Wut, Muslims don't eat gays?!?!?!
//

only Langolier's named Fluffy.

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:48:08am

All right, I have to be productive.

Have a great afternoon all!

6 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:48:18am

re: #3 jaunte

Obsessive can't stop.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:48:32am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Also, how does one check if a turkey was gay?

//

8 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:49:08am

easily, one of zaniest subjects ever

9 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:49:34am

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Also, how does one check if a turkey was gay?

//

Were they eaten by Mooslims named Fluffy?

/;)

by all!

10 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:50:38am

I still don't get what the point would be. Muslims don't, as far as I know, want all animals slaughtered according to the rules of halal, any more than Jews want all animals slaughtered that way.

So, why would they care?

11 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:50:47am

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Also, how does one check if a turkey was gay?

//

just ask it...if god can talk to you I'd guess a turkey could too

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:51:51am

re: #11 albusteve

just ask it...if god can talk to you I'd guess a turkey could too

Good point. If it doesn't say "no", it's gay.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:52:41am

re: #10 Obdicut

I still don't get what the point would be. Muslims don't, as far as I know, want all animals slaughtered according to the rules of halal, any more than Jews want all animals slaughtered that way.

So, why would they care?

Don't you get it? If they can trick patriotic Americans into eating contaminated halal turkey, they'll pass out from the Islamic tryptophan and then BAM! Shariah takes over!

It's obvious, really.

14 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:53:15am

re: #10 Obdicut

I still don't get what the point would be. Muslims don't, as far as I know, want all animals slaughtered according to the rules of halal, any more than Jews want all animals slaughtered that way.

So, why would they care?

Because Creeping Sharia!1!

15 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:53:25am

re: #10 Obdicut

I still don't get what the point would be. Muslims don't, as far as I know, want all animals slaughtered according to the rules of halal, any more than Jews want all animals slaughtered that way.

So, why would they care?

in all honesty, I think I'm missing something here...my own duh moment

16 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:54:17am

re: #10 Obdicut

I still don't get what the point would be. Muslims don't, as far as I know, want all animals slaughtered according to the rules of halal, any more than Jews want all animals slaughtered that way.

So, why would they care?

Because shut up, she explained.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:55:18am

re: #13 Charles

At some point all precious bodily fluids will go halal, the infidels will go kaput and there will be total bupkis.

18 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:57:24am

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

Except, of course, for the Judeo-Liberals who are part of the Athiest-Islamofascist conspiracy.

19 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:57:52am

Even some of the freepers aren't buying it, though many obviously are.

Note that the turkey bomb photoshoppe picture posted at LGF appears in this article.

20 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 10:59:12am

Madness is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Charles, I thoroughly appreciate your highlighting of this lunacy, the woman is quite clearly quite damaged. However, I am sure that you will unfortunately not change her or any of her minions opinions.

One day I fear she will quite literally implode on her own crazy.

It will be a glorious day in so many ways. Unless she gets hold of guns, in which case people should be seriously concerned. I hope that the FBI and other agencies are monitoring these people.

21 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:00:13am

re: #20 HAL2010

Figuratively literally.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:01:30am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Wut, Muslims don't eat gays?!?!?!
//

Only the gay Muslims...

(Did I say that out loud?)

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:02:23am

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Also, how does one check if a turkey was gay?

//

Very hard, since turkeys raised for meat cannot mate naturally. Breasts are too big.

I guess you could check out which turkeys the turkey in question was looking at longingly.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:02:32am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Only the gay Muslims...

(Did I say that out loud?)

We'll pretend you said nothing.

This is a fucking family blog!

Lalalalala

25 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:02:55am

re: #21 Obdicut

Figuratively literally.

It's nuts.

I mean, come on!

Oh no turkeys are being slaughtered in a certain way (almost identical to kosher right?)!
Man the ramparts, the sky is falling!!!!1111

26 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:03:34am

re: #25 HAL2010

If the sky is falling, I'm staying off the ramparts.

27 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:05:43am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

Even some of the freepers aren't buying it, though many obviously are.

Note that the turkey bomb photoshoppe picture posted at LGF appears in this article.

That's Jaunte's turkey bomb pic posted at Freepistan.
Thing is, the freep poster is not using it to mock the idea.

28 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:06:00am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Only the gay Muslims...

(Did I say that out loud?)

The film, which features some of Egypt's biggest stars, is based on a novel by a Cairo dentist, Alaa al-Aswani, which became the Arab world's best-seller and has been sold openly in Egypt for four years.

The book gives a warts-and-all portrait of modern Egypt told through the lives of the inhabitants of a Cairo apartment block. There is a womanising aristocrat, a corrupt nouveau riche politician, a woman who is sexually harassed at work and a highly educated youth who becomes a terrorist after being turned down for a job in the police because he comes from a poor family.

The most controversial of all, though, is Hatim Rasheed, a cultured newspaper editor with a taste for Nubian men. He falls in love with a young married policeman who feels guilty about the relationship and eventually murders him.

Link

The film itself

29 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:06:38am

re: #26 Obdicut

If the sky is falling, I'm staying off the ramparts.

Because they are sekkrit muslem ramparts?!

/

30 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:06:54am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Only the gay Muslims...

(Did I say that out loud?)

Well,,, as long as they're happy!!

//

31 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:07:48am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

They seem to be taking the threat seriously.

32 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:07:57am

re: #24 Sergey Romanov

We'll pretend you said nothing.

This is a fucking family blog!

Lalalalala

You left off the FA before that!!

33 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:08:07am

re: #30 sattv4u2

Well,,, as long as they're happy!!

//

I doubt it.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) rights in Egypt are not officially recognzied by the ruling political party, the opposition movements or the general public. Homosexuality and cross-dressing are severely stigmatized within the society. In the 21st century, the government began using laws designed to protect traditional Islamic values, "public morality" and order against homosexual men.

Basic overview

34 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:08:08am

dammit

TAKE 2

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:08:25am

re: #30 sattv4u2

Well,,, as long as they're happy!!

//

No, in that sense it would've been "gay Moslems". /

36 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:08:26am

re: #24 Sergey Romanov

We'll pretend you said nothing.

This is a fucking family blog!

Lalalalala

You left off the FA before that

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:09:17am

re: #34 sattv4u2

dammit

TAKE 2

You can edit comments ;)

38 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:09:38am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

Even some of the freepers aren't buying it, though many obviously are.

Note that the turkey bomb photoshoppe picture posted at LGF appears in this article.

From that post:

"Some concerned citizens are now boycotting Butterball turkeys - some because of the connection with Islam and sharia - others because of the brutal and inhumane method of slaughter"

"Pull the other one!"

39 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:11:04am

re: #37 Sergey Romanov

You can edit comments ;)

I took the easy way out

40 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:11:12am

re: #38 jaunte

From that post:

"Pull the other one!"

They're so concerned that they will all become vegetarians, just to be on the safe side!

...

maybe not

41 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:12:57am

re: #31 jaunte

They seem to be taking the threat seriously.

I think that's the punchline

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:14:42am

re: #10 Obdicut

I still don't get what the point would be. Muslims don't, as far as I know, want all animals slaughtered according to the rules of halal, any more than Jews want all animals slaughtered that way.

So, why would they care?

Well, this halal paranoia was, in fact, taken directly from a line of kosher paranoia that assumes that in fact all Jews want to 'make you' eat kosher, so I suppose it's not surprising.

The kosher paranoia tends to be that you're somehow being ripped off and 'taxed' by the kosher products. The halal paranoia includes that, but appears to go on to a more general and primal fear of contamination through eating something that's been deemed halal.

As CL pointed out some time back, water is halal, so these folks may be in some trouble.

43 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:15:59am

Here's the next outrageous outrage:
I was in the coffee room at work, and glanced up at the Federal Labor Laws poster:
Image: FedLaborLaw.jpg

You might not see it in that resolution, but this caught my eye:

Image: creepingcrescent.jpg

Creeping OSHAria has reached the workplace!!!

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:16:45am

re: #38 jaunte

Some commenters are noticing the kosher analogy.

BTW, I noticed an interesting question there.

If halal food preparation involves some Islamic rites, does that invalidate the kosher status? I know that Islam in general is not considered an avodah zarah, but does that apply here?

45 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:16:52am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this halal paranoia was, in fact, taken directly from a line of kosher paranoia that assumes that in fact all Jews want to 'make you' eat kosher, so I suppose it's not surprising.

The kosher paranoia tends to be that you're somehow being ripped off and 'taxed' by the kosher products. The halal paranoia includes that, but appears to go on to a more general and primal fear of contamination through eating something that's been deemed halal.

As CL pointed out some time back, water is halal, so these folks may be in some trouble.

Wouldn't surprise me if they start advocating drinking and eating pork as a "cure" as it is considered haram.

46 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:17:16am

re: #43 jaunte

Here's the next outrageous outrage:
I was in the coffee room at work, and glanced up at the Federal Labor Laws poster:
Image: FedLaborLaw.jpg

You might not see it in that resolution, but this caught my eye:

Image: creepingcrescent.jpg

Creeping OSHAria has reached the workplace!!!

You should send that to Pamela as a tip.

47 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:17:23am

re: #43 jaunte

Here's the next outrageous outrage:
I was in the coffee room at work, and glanced up at the Federal Labor Laws poster:
Image: FedLaborLaw.jpg

You might not see it in that resolution, but this caught my eye:

Image: creepingcrescent.jpg

Creeping OSHAria has reached the workplace!!!

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you!

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:18:02am

re: #14 wrenchwench

Because Creeping Sharia!1!

And this. There's an intense level of paranoia that Muslims doing Muslim things in the West is the same as, and invariably leads to, everyone else having to do Muslim things.

So if I sit down on the bus next to a high school girl wearing a headscarf, who's eating a sandwich that her mom made for her out of halal turkey leftovers, while she texts her friends to remember to Tivo the new epside of "American Muslim", none of this is neutral. I am being oppressed while it happens. It's all part of a plan to make me wear a scarf too, and eat halal sandwiches, at gunpoint.

49 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:18:11am

re: #46 Charles

Big government and Islam. It's a twofer.

50 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:18:39am

So ,, I'm here at work , all alone , and it's not too busy

My co-worker who did the overnight shift had everything just about set up for the day before I arrived, so the place is sort of on Auto Pilot (unless something breaks)

So what have I done for the past 4 1/2 hours??
Mostly ,, eat ,,, I just finished my third (what most would consider) meal already


BURP!

Just under 8 hours left to my day. At this rate they'll need the Jaws Of Life to extract me from my chair!

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:20:12am

re: #38 jaunte

From that post:

"Pull the other one!"

What else could ever have driven the Freepers to worry about animal welfare in slaughterhouses?

52 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:23:32am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

What else could ever have driven the Freepers to worry about animal welfare in slaughterhouses?

a short bus?
/

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:25:13am

That picture of Pam again?

Charles? Why do you hate FBV?

*shudder*

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:26:33am

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

Some commenters are noticing the kosher analogy.

BTW, I noticed an interesting question there.

If halal food preparation involves some Islamic rites, does that invalidate the kosher status? I know that Islam in general is not considered an avodah zarah, but does that apply here?

The only food preparation I am aware of that involves 'Islamic rites' per se is slaughter, and if it's not done by a shochet, it's not kosher, so there would be no overlap there.

However, if there was some sort of joint prayer offered, I believe that Islam only requires that you invoke the name of God, which shouldn't be a problem from a kashrut standpoint.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:27:26am

re: #45 HAL2010

Wouldn't surprise me if they start advocating drinking and eating pork as a "cure" as it is considered haram.

Many of these folks have developed a ridiculous dependency on pork as some sort of symbol of their non-Muslimness.

56 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:28:03am

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

Some very strict forms of halal slaughter involve orienting the animal, that might be considered idolatrous by some, I guess. But the people saying that it's being slaughtered for Allah or in the name of Allah are wrong, just as when a Christian says grace they're not sacrificing their meal to the Christian god.

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:28:14am

Hashtag Butterball.

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:28:18am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. So, generally, an observant Jew won't buy halal meat? What about other products?

59 wilburs  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:29:05am

You really have to feel for the poor call center people who not only had to work on Thanksgiving day, but had to deal with crazy wingnuts calling about "Terror Turkeys".

I am sure by next week, when they start comparing stories, they will be laughing their asses off though.

60 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:30:42am

re: #58 Sergey Romanov

Thanks. So, generally, an observant Jew won't buy halal meat? What about other products?

Some observant Jews would. The extent to which Kosher is kept is not in line with 'observancy'. If you mean 'observancy of the strictest interpretation of kosher', then, sure.

But reform and reconstructionist Jews say that those old laws are no longer binding.

61 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:38:02am

Carolina Turkeys is Butterball's parent company.
...
Have you seen what's on the state flag of South Carolina?
Image: nunst066.gif
[Insert dramatic squirrel music.]
...
...
Well, yes, Carolina Turkeys is in North Carolina, but still.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:43:29am

re: #58 Sergey Romanov

Thanks. So, generally, an observant Jew won't buy halal meat? What about other products?

Briefly, and bearing in mind that I am no expert:

1. An observant Jew will not eat halal-slaughtered meat. To be kosher, meat must have been slaughtered by a shochet, who is by definition a Jew, and there are requirements, such as the removal of the sciatic nerve, and salting, that halal processing doesn't take into account.

2. However, many/most Sunnis will eat kosher meat. This goes back a long ways, and appears to be based on the idea that kosher slaughter encompasses the requirements of halal slaughter, and that since the Jews are more picky about it than the Muslims, you can count on them to do it right. You'll often see small storefronts in Muslim neighborhoods offering 'halal and kosher' meat products. In the Arab world, a lot of Jews worked as butchers.

3. Shiites, and other Sunnis, believe that meat is only halal if it has been slaughtered by a Muslim, and won't eat kosher meat.

4. In general, outside the realm of meat, frum Jews won't buy something halal-certified without a kosher certification, because the rules are just too different.

5. One exception I can think of might be grape juice. That requires a kosher certification because of the avodah zarah issue, which I believe should not be a problem with Muslims. So if you're offered halal-certified grape juice, I'd say, go ahead and drink it. I don't even know if grape juice needs to be halal. The degree of stringency that Jews apply to hekshers on things like fruit juice varies greatly from community to community.

6. The Jewish world has such varying levels of strictness that it's hard to generalize to everyone.

7. I will eat halal in restaurants, or at a friend's home. This is my personal custom, that of a semi-kosher keeping person, and has no rabbinic authority whatsoever. It allows me to have some good Moroccan chicken once in a blue moon, and makes feeding me less difficult for some of my friends.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:46:57am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks again! That cleared up lots of things.

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:47:06am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Keeping Kosher/Halal while being a vegetarian would be pretty easy for a person, no?

65 sagehen  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:47:24am

re: #13 Charles

Don't you get it? If they can trick patriotic Americans into eating contaminated halal turkey, they'll pass out from the Islamic tryptophan and then BAM! Shariah takes over!

It's obvious, really.

It sucks all the Jesus out.

66 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:48:52am

re: #65 sagehen

How can we be exceptional when someone else gets to be exceptional too?

67 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:48:59am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Keeping Kosher/Halal while being a vegetarian would be pretty easy for a person, no?

Yeah, it's mainly just checking out the vegetables for insects.

Which I assume you'd want anyway.

And keeping the stuff away from contact with forbidden foods.

68 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:50:43am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Keeping Kosher/Halal while being a vegetarian would be pretty easy for a person, no?

it's not a problem with me...I only require my meat to be dead before I eat it

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:50:59am

re: #66 jaunte

How can we be exceptional when someone else gets to be exceptional too?

If everybody is exceptional, then who is?

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:51:10am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Addendum to this: I am using 'observant' in the sense of generally accepted traditional kashrut in the Conservative/Orthodox world--which is in and of itself very broad, and full of disagreement. (The rabbi of one of my old synagogues, Conservative, for example, announced publicly that he would drink American wines without a heksher. There's places where this would make people faint.)

Obdicut brings up the Reform/Reconstructionist branch. For a long time, it was assumed that Reform Jews didn't keep kosher, but more are now doing so, and they tend to interpret very broadly and with more emphasis on the Torah and less on the later legal tradition. There are several ways Reformim who keep kosher define it.

71 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:51:22am

re: #68 albusteve

it's not a problem with me...I only require my meat to be dead before I eat it

Not an oyster-lover, I see.

72 sagehen  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:51:56am

The people complaining about the "inhumane" slaughter methods ... do they object to shoving the birds headfirst into a turkey guillotine?

73 HAL2010  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:51:56am

Any takers on how long will it take for South Park to turn "Butterball" into something dirty?

74 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:53:17am

re: #71 Sergey Romanov

Not an oyster-lover, I see.

not for eating, no...they make fun pets tho

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:53:33am

re: #72 sagehen

The people complaining about the "inhumane" slaughter methods ... do they object to shoving the birds headfirst into a turkey guillotine?

[Video]

It's downright humane compared to making them listen to Sarah.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:54:33am

re: #74 albusteve

not for eating, no...they make fun pets tho

How do you sic an oyster on someone?

77 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:54:57am

re: #76 Sergey Romanov

How do you sic an oyster on someone?

VERY slowly!!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:56:04am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Keeping Kosher/Halal while being a vegetarian would be pretty easy for a person, no?

Lots easier. Jews have some dairy requirements, and a lot of small finicky issues, but once you take meat out of the equation, it gets a lot simpler. Especially given the separation of milk and meat (which Muslims lucked out on not having to do). Vegetarians, even pescatarians, can have a milk set of dishes and be done with it.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:56:42am

re: #67 Obdicut

Yeah, it's mainly just checking out the vegetables for insects.

Which I assume you'd want anyway.

And keeping the stuff away from contact with forbidden foods.

I don't hold with folks that insist that broccoli and strawberries can't be kosher.

80 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:57:11am

re: #76 Sergey Romanov

How do you sic an oyster on someone?

you have to disguise them to catch the target unawares....a Richard Nixon mask usually works

81 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:58:30am

This will never not be funny to me. Pam Geller has gone so far around the bend that she's now the crazy lady shouting about Islamist turkeys bringing jihad to the Thanksgiving table.

Plus, for a Jewish woman to completely miss the fact that she's just aiming the kosher tax myth at Muslims is mind-blowing. Is she really that insane that she can't see she's just perpetuating anti-Semitic smears but putting a different spin on them?

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:59:06am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Hah, didn't know. Googled this: [Link: www.oukosher.org...]

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 11:59:39am

re: #80 albusteve

you have to disguise them to catch the target unawares...a Richard Nixon mask usually works

A small Richard Nixon mask. Got it!

84 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:01:16pm

re: #83 Sergey Romanov

A small Richard Nixon mask. Got it!

In other words, a tiny Dick!

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:01:34pm

re: #82 Sergey Romanov

Hah, didn't know. Googled this: [Link: www.oukosher.org...]

Given that there are medieval texts in which it's discussed how big worms have to get in cheese before you worry about the kashrut angle, I think that this is just borrowing trouble for ourselves.

If you can't see the damn thing, it doesn't count.

Then again, I'm the one who got snippy about whether the shul should serve green beans in the soup at the seder.

(How insane does this sound, from outside, anyway?)

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:02:22pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

That's a good one!

87 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:03:31pm

got a barn burner going....MI vs OSU...
Ohio State is evil

88 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:04:27pm

Whoa.

Check out this blog by one of Geller's commenters, "Crombouke":

[Link: crombouke.blogspot.com...]

89 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:04:40pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Given that there are medieval texts in which it's discussed how big worms have to get in cheese before you worry about the kashrut angle, I think that this is just borrowing trouble for ourselves.

If you can't see the damn thing, it doesn't count.

Then again, I'm the one who got snippy about whether the shul should serve green beans in the soup at the seder.

(How insane does this sound, from outside, anyway?)

totally crazy

90 sagehen  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:07:24pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

(How insane does this sound, from outside, anyway?)

My right-wing evangelical acquaintance was jaw-droppingly gobsmacked when I explained about the two sets of dishes ("because we need to be absolutely certain that the grilled cheese never ever sits on a plate that could have once held roast beef"), and the super-duper ultra-Observant hotels that keep two entire separate kitchens just to be on the safe side...

We used to be almost friends, until I explained that Exodus 21:22 is very clear that embryos are not people and killing one isn't murder....

91 Political Atheist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:07:55pm

re: #88 Charles

Some days the 1st Amendment weeps. I'm not terribly impressed by the non violent claims in there. No don't start a war just do every thing else one can think of.

Repulsive.

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:08:33pm

re: #88 Charles

He just took a David Duke article and did search-replace.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:08:34pm

re: #88 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this blog by one of Geller's commenters, "Crombouke":

[Link: crombouke.blogspot.com...]

Why 'whoa'? He sounds just like Pam, except a little more profanity, and he writes much better.

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:10:33pm

LOL, I reached his philosophy of religion part. It's not even kindergarten level.

95 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:10:38pm

re: #88 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this blog by one of Geller's commenters, "Crombouke":

[Link: crombouke.blogspot.com...]

Holy crap! I haven't seen such a load of tripe since the last time I perused a copy of Der Sturmer.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:11:38pm

re: #90 sagehen

My right-wing evangelical acquaintance was jaw-droppingly gobsmacked when I explained about the two sets of dishes ("because we need to be absolutely certain that the grilled cheese never ever sits on a plate that could have once held roast beef"), and the super-duper ultra-Observant hotels that keep two entire separate kitchens just to be on the safe side...

We used to be almost friends, until I explained that Exodus 21:22 is very clear that embryos are not people and killing one isn't murder...

Sometimes a common text doesn't help. You can't get there from here.

97 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:16:20pm

re: #81 Lidane

This will never not be funny to me. Pam Geller has gone so far around the bend that she's now the crazy lady shouting about Islamist turkeys bringing jihad to the Thanksgiving table.

Plus, for a Jewish woman to completely miss the fact that she's just aiming the kosher tax myth at Muslims is mind-blowing. Is she really that insane that she can't see she's just perpetuating anti-Semitic smears but putting a different spin on them?

She's spent years hanging out with Euro-fascists. She defended Dewinter who marched to lay flowers on SS soldier's graves and gave a nazi salute in parliament. She lost her mind long long ago.

98 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:16:51pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Why 'whoa'? He sounds just like Pam, except a little more profanity, and he writes much better.

Having it all laid out in a few clearly written posts, with those illustrations, is like shooting it instead of smoking it.

99 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:18:35pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

She lost her mind long long ago.

One can't "lose" what one never had

100 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:18:36pm

re: #88 Charles

Looks just like Pam's blog, but with a less obnoxious typeface and design.

101 labman57  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:19:30pm

Geller, with her all-too frequent irrational rants and diatribes, is the poster child for what happens when you ignore your shrink's advice and refuse to take your meds.

102 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:25:35pm

re: #87 albusteve

got a barn burner going...MI vs OSU...
Ohio State is evil

After that double penalty on 3rd and inches, Michigan doesn't deserve to win

103 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:26:40pm

I'm not a psych but I think it's ego more than anything else.

104 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:27:42pm

re: #103 BigPapa

I'm not a psych but I think it's ego more than anything else.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

105 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:27:59pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Why 'whoa'? He sounds just like Pam, except a little more profanity, and he writes much better.

He is much more open about methods.

106 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:28:04pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

She's spent years hanging out with Euro-fascists. She defended Dewinter who marched to lay flowers on SS soldier's graves and gave a nazi salute in parliament. She lost her mind long long ago.

Seriously?

For a Jewish woman to defend outright Nazis just because they hate Muslims too is insane to me. WTF.

107 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:28:42pm

re: #102 sattv4u2

After that double penalty on 3rd and inches, Michigan doesn't deserve to win

STFU...I'm busy

108 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:28:44pm

re: #106 Lidane

Seriously?

For a Jewish woman to defend outright Nazis just because they hate Muslims too is insane to me. WTF.

She was uncomfortable with EDL for about 1 day or so. Then she resumed her support.

109 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:29:36pm

re: #87 albusteve

re: #102 sattv4u2

After that double penalty on 3rd and inches, Michigan doesn't deserve to win

((not saying they will not win, because it looks as if they will, but 2 dumb penalties on the same play ,,,,,, both those kids would be on the bus roght now))

110 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:30:06pm

re: #107 albusteve

STFU...I'm busy

"That" never usually takes you long!!
/

111 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:30:50pm

re: #109 sattv4u2

re: #102 sattv4u2

((not saying they will not win, because it looks as if they will, but 2 dumb penalties on the same play ,,, both those kids would be on the bus roght now))

okay, Adolph

112 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:31:04pm
To Kamran Loghman, who helped develop pepper spray into a weapons-grade material with the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the 1980s, the incident at Davis violated his original intent.

“I have never seen such an inappropriate and improper use of chemical agents,” Mr. Loghman said in an interview.

Mr. Loghman, who also helped develop guidelines for police departments using the spray, said that use-of-force manuals generally advise that pepper spray is appropriate only if a person is physically threatening a police officer or another person.

113 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:31:34pm

re: #111 albusteve

okay, Adolph

Hitler, or Rupp!?!?!

114 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:31:38pm

Sometimes I feel like Pam is a low-hanging fruit. Surely everybody sees how nutty she is?

Then I remember that she writes allegedly best-selling books, she is endorsed by the likes of Bolton, who has become a clown but who is still a "big name", etc.

115 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:32:10pm

re: #113 sattv4u2

Hitler, or Rupp!?!?!

need some D here you hater

116 William of Orange  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:32:52pm

OMGWTFBBQ??!!!

Russian approved??!! Damn commies!!

117 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:33:07pm

re: #115 albusteve

need some D here you hater

You just got it
One kneel down ,,
Game over

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:33:26pm

re: #116 William of Orange

OMGWTFBBQ??!!!

Russian certified??!! Damn commies!!

Yeah, I had to laugh at that too :)

119 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:33:37pm

re: #114 Sergey Romanov

Sometimes I feel like Pam is a low-hanging fruit. Surely everybody sees how nutty she is?

Then I remember that she writes allegedly best-selling books, she is endorsed by the likes of Bolton, who has become a clown but who is still a "big name", etc.

she knows where the rubber hits the road....$$$

120 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:34:22pm

As a Russian, I won't eat non-Russian-certified turkey. Makes me projectile-vomit. (Then again, maybe it's just demons.)

//

121 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:34:49pm

re: #104 sattv4u2

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

No, nor would I need Holiday Inn to figure out that she's not merely nuts and driven by hate. She has a huge ego as well.

122 wilburs  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:36:01pm

re: #88 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this blog by one of Geller's commenters, "Crombouke":

[Link: crombouke.blogspot.com...]

This guy is an idiot. One of the first things he claims is that Muslims are somehow conditioned to lie. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is actually a strong cultural trope against lying, and being caught in a lie is extremely embarrassing to the average Muslim.

The FBI actually used this as an interrogation tool, first setting up a subject to be in a position to tell a small lie, and then calling them on it.
This disturbed many subjects so much that they became much more forthcoming throughout the interrogation process.

123 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:36:48pm

re: #81 Lidane

Plus, for a Jewish woman to completely miss the fact that she's just aiming the kosher tax myth at Muslims is mind-blowing. Is she really that insane that she can't see she's just perpetuating anti-Semitic smears but putting a different spin on them?

It's worse than that - I think she does see the similarity.

124 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:37:10pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

You just got it
One kneel down ,,
Game over

MI...10-2
Denard Robinson QB
14/17 166yds 3TD 0int passing
26/170yds 2TD rushing
eye popping

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:38:23pm

re: #123 Charles

It's worse than that - I think she does see the similarity.

How could she not, really?

126 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:40:15pm

Geller is not just a loony...there is a veiled, intoxicated violence about her that I find extremely disturbing

127 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:40:56pm

So who's buying what she's selling?

She's not talking to nobody, people comment, her blog gets lots of traffic

what's the Geller readership demographic? Is it mostly just 9/11 fetishists?

128 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:42:46pm

re: #127 WindUpBird

So who's buying what she's selling?

She's not talking to nobody, people comment, her blog gets lots of traffic

what's the Geller readership demographic? Is it mostly just 9/11 fetishists?

Well, I know one guy in Norway...

129 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:42:50pm

re: #127 WindUpBird

So who's buying what she's selling?

She's not talking to nobody, people comment, her blog gets lots of traffic

what's the Geller readership demographic? Is it mostly just 9/11 fetishists?

I think her tits account for around 50% of her fans

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:42:50pm

re: #113 sattv4u2

Hitler, or Rupp!?!?!

Lundgren?

131 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:43:43pm

re: #88 Charles

Whoa.

Check out this blog by one of Geller's commenters, "Crombouke":

[Link: crombouke.blogspot.com...]

The images are exactly like this kind of stuff.

132 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:43:56pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Lundgren?

Coors?

133 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:43:58pm

re: #129 albusteve

I think her tits account for around 50% of her fans

That low?

134 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:44:00pm

re: #123 Charles

It's worse than that - I think she does see the similarity.

I can't wrap my head around that. She's Jewish and she deliberately allows people who are otherwise raging anti-Semites and white supremacists into her life, AND she works alongside them to perpetuate what used to be anti-Semitic myths, but which are now being directed at Muslims.

It makes no sense to me. How can someone become that twisted by bigotry and hate that they'd allow themselves to be used like that?

135 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:44:59pm

re: #134 Lidane

I can't wrap my head around that. She's Jewish and she deliberately allows people who are otherwise raging anti-Semites and white supremacists into her life, AND she works alongside them to perpetuate what used to be anti-Semitic myths, but which are now being directed at Muslims.

It makes no sense to me. How can someone become that twisted by bigotry and hate that they'd allow themselves to be used like that?

two words....
$$$

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:46:05pm

re: #135 albusteve

two words...
$$$

That's one word. Or three.

137 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:47:15pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

That's one word. Or three.

Nobody told me there was going to be math!

138 wilburs  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:47:57pm

re: #134 Lidane

I can't wrap my head around that. She's Jewish and she deliberately allows people who are otherwise raging anti-Semites and white supremacists into her life, AND she works alongside them to perpetuate what used to be anti-Semitic myths, but which are now being directed at Muslims.

It makes no sense to me. How can someone become that twisted by bigotry and hate that they'd allow themselves to be used like that?

The enemy of my enemy

it's like how the far right "christian" movements embraced Father Coughlin in the 1930's, even tough he was Catholic

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:48:17pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

Nobody told me there was going to be math!

I told you. You just thought it had 'e', not 'a'. Must be my Russian accent.

140 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:48:31pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

That's one word. Or three.

GellerHate, Inc is trading at over $300 a share

141 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:48:44pm

re: #139 Sergey Romanov

I told you. You just thought it had 'e', not 'a'. Must be my Russian accent.

win!

142 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:49:17pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

That's one word. Or three.

'dollar signs' Gotta watch him he sometimes gets sly

143 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:50:15pm

re: #142 BigPapa

'dollar signs' Gotta watch him he sometimes gets sly

Stallone

or

And The Family Stone

??

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:51:17pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

Stallone

or

And The Family Stone

??

hahaha Sly and the family Stallone

145 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:52:17pm

re: #144 WindUpBird

hahaha Sly and the family Stallone

LOL

146 eneri  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:52:31pm

I have a sudden urge to wear a burka!

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:52:57pm

re: #134 Lidane

I can't wrap my head around that. She's Jewish and she deliberately allows people who are otherwise raging anti-Semites and white supremacists into her life, AND she works alongside them to perpetuate what used to be anti-Semitic myths, but which are now being directed at Muslims.

It makes no sense to me. How can someone become that twisted by bigotry and hate that they'd allow themselves to be used like that?

her gig, her slice of stardom, involves doing that stuff she does.

I think it's just that simple to her, the notoriety

148 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:53:00pm

re: #144 WindUpBird

hahaha Sly and the family Stallone

Sly and the Rolling Stallone

149 aagcobb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:53:33pm

re: #13 Charles

Don't you get it? If they can trick patriotic Americans into eating contaminated halal turkey, they'll pass out from the Islamic tryptophan and then BAM! Shariah takes over!

It's obvious, really.

You are laughing now Charles. Just wait until an Islamic Terror Turkey blows up on your family's dining room table! Then you'll be sorry!1!1!!!!

150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:53:43pm

re: #148 albusteve

Sly and the Rolling Stallone

what a band that would be, just mayhem on stage

151 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:55:02pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

her gig, her slice of stardom, involves doing that stuff she does.

I think it's just that simple to her, the notoriety

her scotch tab is around $60,000 a year and growing...she needs to become famouser every quarter

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:56:47pm

re: #123 Charles

It's worse than that - I think she does see the similarity.

There are two factors I think, when it comes to Jewish anti-Muslim types who get too close to fascists and such.

One is that their fear/disdain/anger re Muslims has hit such a high pitch that little else can register. They really do see the situation as being of such immense urgency--THE MUSLIMS ARE GONNA KILL US ALL!!!!!--that they can't register healthy antagonism toward other threats unless they appear linked to the Muslim threat. Therefore, liberal multiculturalists are scary because they will help the Muslims win, but neo-Nazis are not scary, both because they hate the Muslims too, and because you just can't recognize another threat, or deal with your fears in a nuanced way when you're in a state like this. I see a related phenomenon in my real life with Israel activists who are so desperate for 'supporters' that they'll get in bed with the religious right. Pam and her ilk, of course, take it several steps further.

The other is darker, and nastier, and I hesitate to bring it up. I think that Pam and her ilk LIKE hanging with fascists and Neo-Nazis and the EDL, and all those other thugs, because it makes them feel safe. It's the ultimate in being accepted in the white people's club, and it redirects anti-Semitic hate elsewhere, toward Muslims. "You don't hate me, you hate THEM, and we can hate THEM together. I'm not different, I'm part of a Judeo-Christian civilization that hates THEM. I'm protected now, because I'm not THEM. My entire relationship to Western Civ. has been retconned. I'm an us, instead of a THEM."

My own take on it. I may be mistaken. But I get the distinct impression that Pam really likes it that the brownshirts LIKE her, they really LIKE her.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:57:15pm

re: #125 Sergey Romanov

How could she not, really?

Denial: It's not just a river in a terrifying Islamist country.

154 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:57:24pm

re: #151 albusteve

her scotch tab is around $60,000 a year and growing...she needs to become famouser every quarter

Thats a lot of tape!!!!

155 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:58:16pm

Once you eat a Terror Turkey BAM! You go Dhimmi.

156 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:01:41pm

All your stuffings are belong to us

157 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:01:41pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

It goes along with the attempts by many Christians, especially on the 'right' to rewrite the history of Jews and Muslims so that the Muslims have always been enemy #1 for the Jews and the Christians haven't been that bad, really. Or that Christianity mollified itself towards Jews independently of the general enlightenment reforms of society.

158 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:02:08pm

Spam Geller...
flooding cyberspace with tripe

159 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:03:31pm

re: #157 Obdicut

And attempts by Holocaust revisionists to portray the slaughter of Jews during WWII as prompted solely or mainly by German fears (legitimate German fears) of Bolshevik activity and sabotage from the Jewish population, and that it wasn't connected to Christian anti-semitism.

160 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:04:15pm

re: #157 Obdicut

It goes along with the attempts by many Christians, especially on the 'right' to rewrite the history of Jews and Muslims so that the Muslims have always been enemy #1 for the Jews and the Christians haven't been that bad, really. Or that Christianity mollified itself towards Jews independently of the general enlightenment reforms of society.

quite simply, they do not like each other

161 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:04:43pm

re: #160 albusteve

quite simply, they do not like each other

Huh? Who?

162 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:05:19pm

re: #161 Obdicut

Huh? Who?

er...MI and OSU?

163 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:06:17pm

re: #162 albusteve

Nice backpedal.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:07:11pm

re: #159 Obdicut

And attempts by Holocaust revisionists to portray the slaughter of Jews during WWII as prompted solely or mainly by German fears (legitimate German fears) of Bolshevik activity and sabotage from the Jewish population, and that it wasn't connected to Christian anti-semitism.

Or, from less cleverish types: Nazis evil, yes, but that had nothing to do with the cultural or religious history of Europe.

165 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:07:21pm

re: #162 albusteve

er...MI and OSU?

UVA and Va Tech

166 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:07:35pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Nice backpedal.

"I'm sorry, your call cannot be connected....hang up and try again"

167 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:08:07pm

re: #162 albusteve

er...MI and OSU?

That ones over

On to Auburn/ Alabama
Oregon/ Oregon State
Virginia Tech/ Virginia
Grambling State/ Southern

Traditional heated rivalries, all

168 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:08:19pm

re: #165 rwdflynavy

UVA and Va Tech

yeah?...so where are you peddling to with this?

169 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:09:48pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

That ones over

On to Auburn/ Alabama
Oregon/ Oregon State
Virginia Tech/ Virginia
Grambling State/ Southern

Traditional heated rivalries, all

yup...Sat after TG
biggest day of the season for college ball

170 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:09:59pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's pretty spot on. I would add one more factor; The appeal of extremists. We saw this with the breakup of LGF with the counterjihad movement. Some people would openly admit that maybe it's time to fight extremism with extremism. The Tea Party did the same thing. Embracing groups like the OathKeepers made the movement feel powerful that they had their own potentially violent extremists on their wide. We see the same thing with OWS palling around with anarchists. They provide the muscle and make the protesters feel powerful because they have their pet extremists.

171 wilburs  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:10:45pm

re: #157 Obdicut

It goes along with the attempts by many Christians, especially on the 'right' to rewrite the history of Jews and Muslims so that the Muslims have always been enemy #1 for the Jews and the Christians haven't been that bad, really. Or that Christianity mollified itself towards Jews independently of the general enlightenment reforms of society.

This

172 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:10:48pm

re: #168 albusteve

yeah?...so where are you peddling to with this?

Truth baby!! Go Hokies!!

173 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:11:39pm

re: #172 rwdflynavy

Truth baby!! Go Hokies!!

they actually play football in VA?....hadn't noticed

174 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:12:55pm

re: #173 albusteve

they actually play football in VA?...hadn't noticed

Yeah ,, because New Mexico has always been an NCAA football powerhouse!!

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:13:20pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

While I haven't been keeping up with the situation lately, I'm not at all sure that the last one is correct. For one, I see things like [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

176 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:14:06pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I think that's pretty spot on. I would add one more factor; The appeal of extremists. We saw this with the breakup of LGF with the counterjihad movement. Some people would openly admit that maybe it's time to fight extremism with extremism. The Tea Party did the same thing. Embracing groups like the OathKeepers made the movement feel powerful that they had their own potentially violent extremists on their wide. We see the same thing with OWS palling around with anarchists. They provide the muscle and make the protesters feel powerful because they have their pet extremists.

I even saw a bit of that in the otherwise very mild mannered Citizens' Party of the 80's. A woman in one of the caucus meetings at the convention in 1984 made a remark about letting the radicals do the work in the streets while [I'm gonna rudely paraphrase for effect] more sophisticated types such as herself would do the thinking and the organizing. Made me mad.

177 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:14:13pm

re: #174 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, because New Mexico has always been an NCAA football powerhouse!!

UNM is incredibly unawesome...it's true

178 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:14:41pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I think that's pretty spot on. I would add one more factor; The appeal of extremists. We saw this with the breakup of LGF with the counterjihad movement. Some people would openly admit that maybe it's time to fight extremism with extremism. The Tea Party did the same thing. Embracing groups like the OathKeepers made the movement feel powerful that they had their own potentially violent extremists on their wide. We see the same thing with OWS palling around with anarchists. They provide the muscle and make the protesters feel powerful because they have their pet extremists.

i don't want to lock horns with you again, d00d, but in a friendly way i will say that you do engage in a lot of what i would call 'mind reading' in regard to OWS, and a tendency to conceive of it as a unified and organized movement


"i don't belong to any organized political party - i'm a democrat!" - will rogers

179 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:15:14pm

re: #173 albusteve

they actually play football in VA?...hadn't noticed

Nothing as impressive as New Mexico college football.
//

180 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:16:03pm

re: #179 rwdflynavy

Nothing as impressive as New Mexico college football.
//

that's a lie...there is no such thing

181 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:16:44pm

re: #178 engineer dog

i don't want to lock horns with you again, d00d, but in a friendly way i will say that you do engage in a lot of what i would call 'mind reading' in regard to OWS, and a tendency to conceive of it as a unified and organized movement

"i don't belong to any organized political party - i'm a democrat!" - will rogers

mind reading is the cornerstone of LGF

182 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:17:06pm

re: #181 albusteve

mind reading is the cornerstone of LGF

I knew you were going to post that

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:17:16pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

I think that's pretty spot on. I would add one more factor; The appeal of extremists. We saw this with the breakup of LGF with the counterjihad movement. Some people would openly admit that maybe it's time to fight extremism with extremism. The Tea Party did the same thing. Embracing groups like the OathKeepers made the movement feel powerful that they had their own potentially violent extremists on their wide. We see the same thing with OWS palling around with anarchists. They provide the muscle and make the protesters feel powerful because they have their pet extremists.

I'm not sure I would characterize OWS as relying on the anarchists--I don't think they mostly know or care from the anarchists--but I would agree that people who like to say darkly that if things don't improve there's gonna be REAL violence in the streets are indulging in a similar fantasy. "Not us, no, of course not, but people will be DRIVEN to do XYZ."

With the Crazy Islamophobes, there is also, interestingly, a strong desire to make themselves over in the image of the perceived enemy. "They're crazy violent religious fanatics. If we are sane, peace-loving and secular, we're gonna get demolished. Strength only through fanaticism!"

184 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:19:18pm

Hateblogger Pamela Geller is nothing if not

personally i consider people like her to be treyf

185 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:25:03pm

re: #181 albusteve

mind reading is the cornerstone of LGF

i'm just behind the curve here...

186 EdDantes  Fri, Dec 2, 2011 2:15:34am

test

187 boxhead  Fri, Dec 2, 2011 2:24:14am

re: #186 EdDantes

test

FAIL! :)


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