Hilarious Amazon Pepper Spray Reviews

“I found it wholly unsuitable for eating”
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(1 star) Wholly unsuitable for eating, November 22, 2011
By Dan

Despite Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly’s assurance that this harmless vegetable mist is a “food product”, I found it wholly unsuitable for eating. It caused an extraordinarily painful burning sensation in the mucous membranes of my upper respiratory tract and the tissue surrounding my eyes, resulting temporary blindness which lasted from 15-30 minutes, inflammation of the skin which lasted from 45 to 60 minutes, and upper body spasms which forced me to bend forward in fits of uncontrollable coughing that made it difficult to breathe or speak for between 3 and 15 minutes. While there are many pleasurable ways to ingest fruits of the genus Capsicum, a nice New Mexico-style green Chile sauce on a stuffed sopaipilla for example, I found this product unsatisfactory.

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505 comments
1 Kragar  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:12:43pm

Product Warnng: This procuct multiplies protesters
I casually used this product to try to disperse a small band of non-violent campers who had locked their arms together. Although initially it seemed to be effective, it took two applications! The worst part is that the next day they multiplied exponentially! Now what?

One positive outcome, I did receive a paid vacation for my efforts.

2 jaunte  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:14:50pm

"For the first time ever I think Fox News may have lied to me."

3 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:19:12pm

"perfect for bloody mary's!!!"

4 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:22:21pm

Sandy Koufax used capsicum cream on his elbow to kill the pain so he could keep pitching.

Which meant when he donated his jersey to the winner of a little league tournament, the poor kid thought he was catching on fire.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:24:13pm

There's a PJ O'Rourke article, from his trip to South Korea during an election. The protesters he was covering have been hit with massive amounts of pepper spray, and he and his friends have made their way, choking and sobbing, from the protest.

Then they run into some pleasant Korean businessmen, who greet them with "You are Americans? What do you think about Korean democracy?"

O'Rourke's friend wheezes, "Tastes terrible."

6 Alexzander  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:24:16pm

I like to grease my pans with a little bit of the old pepper spray.

7 austin_blue  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:25:57pm

Commenter Dan is a clever boy.

8 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:26:41pm

re: #7 austin_blue

Commenter Dan is a clever boy.

we got a green chile shout out too

9 austin_blue  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:28:07pm

re: #8 albusteve

we got a green chile shout out too

Absolutely deserved. Green chile pork stew is killer bee!

10 wilburs  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:29:50pm

"It's like "Febreeze" for hippies!!!"


To bad Amazon doesn't do what craigslist does, provide a forum to collect the "best of Amazon",there is some priceless stuff here

11 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:34:02pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Absolutely deserved. Green chile pork stew is killer bee!

bombs away...
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]

12 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:37:37pm

haven't they been using pepper spray on black friday crowds as well?

13 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:38:29pm

re: #12 engineer dog

haven't they been using pepper spray on black friday crowds as well?

Depends on who "they" is!!

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Woman pepper sprays other Black Friday shoppers

14 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:40:15pm

re: #12 engineer dog

haven't they been using pepper spray on black friday crowds as well?

Probably. It's common for crowd control. The stuff is used all the time.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:40:35pm

re: #12 engineer dog

haven't they been using pepper spray on black friday crowds as well?

No, the Black Friday shoppers have been pepper spraying one another.

Must be the season of the pepper spray.

(Maybe cops or security have also been using it for crowd control, don't know.)

16 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:42:19pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the Black Friday shoppers have been pepper spraying one another.

Must be the season of the pepper spray.

(Maybe cops or security have also been using it for crowd control, don't know.)

"Mom ,, thanks for the X BOX ,,, but why are my eyes stinging now ????"

17 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:43:12pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #16 sattv4u2

"Mom ,, thanks for the X BOX ,,, but why are my eyes stinging now ???"

"Oh sweety ,,, Mom just did what she had to do for her lil angel!!"

18 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:43:29pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

One security guard did. Off-duty police officer. Someone got arrested in the aftermath. He was doing it to quell an active riot, apparently.

19 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:44:47pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the Black Friday shoppers have been pepper spraying one another.

Must be the season of the pepper spray.

(Maybe cops or security have also been using it for crowd control, don't know.)

huh

i hope this doesn't become the fashionable way to express one's opinions

20 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:45:01pm

42in flat screen....2 squirts
72in flat screen....4oz can

21 Interesting Times  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:45:33pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the Black Friday shoppers have been pepper spraying one another.

And on that note...

A woman who says she doused other deal-hunting shoppers with pepper spray at a Porter Ranch Wal-Mart turned herself in to police Friday night and was later released.

22 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:46:00pm

re: #19 engineer dog

huh

i hope this doesn't become the fashionable way to express one's opinions

The more its condoned, the more we'll see it. Same as anything else. No-knock warrants used to be controversial too. Now most people defend them as 'standard procedure'.

23 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:46:37pm

re: #19 engineer dog

huh

i hope this doesn't become the fashionable way to express one's opinions

mom, your pie didn't have enough nutmeg....sssssppppttt!!!

24 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:47:42pm

re: #8 albusteve

we got a green chile shout out too

From Twitter:

@Steve Terrell

@fbihop when I tweeted about pepper spray at the #occupyburque protest at least three people responded, "Red or green?" // Grape minds ...

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:47:53pm

re: #18 Obdicut

One security guard did. Off-duty police officer. Someone got arrested in the aftermath. He was doing it to quell an active riot, apparently.

As opposed to a shopper who had sat down in the aisle and was refusing to budge?

26 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:48:42pm

re: #21 publicityStunted

And on that note...

I think she should be put on layaway.

27 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:49:34pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

As opposed to a shopper who had sat down in the aisle and was refusing to budge?

I would have stuck a 1/2 off price tag on his/her head!! Someone would have picked him/her up and thrown them in their shopping cart!
//

28 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:49:48pm

I was given a pepper spray bottle by a fellow activist over a year ago. Given the almost rabid nature of the "advocates for Palestine" the person figured it would be wise to keep some on hand, in case the police were unable to offer adequate protection (we were always outnumbered 10-1, easy). I didn't disagree, but also never wanted to use because of course that would be assault, even in self-defense and that would open the flood gates for future assaults from the other side. I am proud to say I never had to use it, and have recently donated it to a friend who is living alone in the City.

All that said, I once, accidentally, released the tiniest fraction of that vile stuff into my immediate environment. I. Was. In. Agony. That stuff is wicked evil nasty all wrapped up into a tiny canister. Of course it is unsuitable for eating! WTF is wrong with people!?! It's a product designed to do harm, and extensive harm at that. No wonder only stupid people watch fox news.

29 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:50:16pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

From Twitter:

lol

30 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:52:12pm

I'm waiting for BBQ pork spray...mmm
with a side of corn on the cob spray

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:54:23pm

re: #28 eclectic infidel

I was given a pepper spray bottle by a fellow activist over a year ago. Given the almost rabid nature of the "advocates for Palestine" the person figured it would be wise to keep some on hand, in case the police were unable to offer adequate protection (we were always outnumbered 10-1, easy). I didn't disagree, but also never wanted to use because of course that would be assault, even in self-defense and that would open the flood gates for future assaults from the other side. I am proud to say I never had to use it, and have recently donated it to a friend who is living alone in the City.

I've still got mine. (From the same person.)

I suppose I should check the 'use by' date.

32 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:56:27pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I've still got mine. (From the same person.)

I suppose I should check the 'use by' date.

Once it's past that, it makes a great underarm spray!
/

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:57:27pm

re: #28 eclectic infidel

I was given a pepper spray bottle by a fellow activist over a year ago. Given the almost rabid nature of the "advocates for Palestine" the person figured it would be wise to keep some on hand, in case the police were unable to offer adequate protection (we were always outnumbered 10-1, easy). I didn't disagree, but also never wanted to use because of course that would be assault, even in self-defense and that would open the flood gates for future assaults, again, given the nature of the other side. I am proud to say I never had to use it, and have recently donated it to a friend who is living alone in the City.

All that said, I once, accidentally, released the tiniest fraction of that vile stuff into my immediate environment. I. Was. In. Agony. That stuff is wicked evil nasty all wrapped up into a tiny canister. Of course it is unsuitable for eating! WTF is wrong with people!?! It's a product designed to do harm, and extensive harm at that. No wonder only stupid people watch fox news.

My father worked in security for US embassies overseas. I was in his office once while he was prepping canisters of mace when he bumped one wrong and spayed himself in the face. I never laughed so hard in my life.

34 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:58:29pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

My father worked in security for US embassies overseas. I was in his office once while he was prepping canisters of mace when he bumped one wrong and spayed himself in the face. I never laughed so hard in my life.


How many months was it before he started giving you your allowance again??

///

35 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:59:00pm

somebody should shove a bhut jolokia pepper in Megyn Kelley's face and tell her to eat it. If she complains mock her with 'but it's just a food product.'

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 1:59:12pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

My father worked in security for US embassies overseas. I was in his office once while he was prepping canisters of mace when he bumped one wrong and spayed himself in the face. I never laughed so hard in my life.

That explains everything!11!

///

37 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:03:10pm

re: #34 sattv4u2

How many months was it before he started giving you your allowance again??

///

He was laughing almost as hard. His coworkers also got a hoot out of it. The Marine security details each had to take a face full of mace about once a year. It was a great spectator sport for us kids.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:03:17pm

re: #35 BigPapa

somebody should shove a bhut jolokia pepper in Megyn Kelley's face and tell her to eat it. If she complains mock her with 'but it's just a food product.'

There's something really horrible about her statement. I know it's funny, but it reminds me a lot of the people who insist that waterboarding is no big deal. Not making an honest argument for why these things should be used, but pretending coyly that they don't understand what the problem might be.

"It's a food product."

"They just poured some water on him."

Hee hee.

39 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:04:02pm

The fact retailers are maintaining the dangerous conditions that have been shown to cause injuries again and again, show you how much respect they have for their consumers.

40 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:04:32pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

There's something really horrible about her statement. I know it's funny, but it reminds me a lot of the people who insist that waterboarding is no big deal. Not making an honest argument for why these things should be used, but pretending coyly that they don't understand what the problem might be.

"It's a food product."

"They just poured some water on him."

Hee hee.

it's hard for me to even remark about what MK says...like, who could give a shit?

41 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:05:55pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

The fact retailers are maintaining the dangerous conditions that have been shown to cause injuries again and again, show you how much respect they have for their consumers.

it's the retailers fault that people behave like rabid animals?

(a very small fraction of said people, btw,,, but the point remains)

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:05:55pm

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

That explains everything!11!

///

I never thought of it before but it does, in some ways, explain my attitude towards mace and pepper spray. I've had a whiff of it before, I've seen plenty of people get maced before. Watching the Marines Security detail mace each other was a fun event. It's not really that big of a deal to me.

43 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:06:04pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

The fact retailers are maintaining the dangerous conditions that have been shown to cause injuries again and again, show you how much respect they have for their consumers.

oh please...blame the retailers for caveman behavior of the buyers?....that's laughable...conditions become dangerous because of consumer greed

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:06:17pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

There's something really horrible about her statement. I know it's funny, but it reminds me a lot of the people who insist that waterboarding is no big deal. Not making an honest argument for why these things should be used, but pretending coyly that they don't understand what the problem might be.

"It's a food product."

"They just poured some water on him."

Hee hee.

"They poured boiling oil on him."

"Hey, boiling oil is used to make French fries! Doesn't everyone like French fries? What's the problem?"

45 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:07:06pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

"They poured boiling oil on him."

"Hey, boiling oil is used to make French FREEDOM fries! Doesn't everyone like French FREEDOM fries? What's the problem?"

tsk tsk!!!

//

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:07:27pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I never thought of it before but it does, in some ways, explain my attitude towards mace and pepper spray. I've had a whiff of it before, I've seen plenty of people get maced before. Watching the Marines Security detail mace each other was a fun event. It's not really that big of a deal to me.

Heh. But then, of course, marines macing each other is not analogous to anything else.

47 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:08:04pm

re: #43 albusteve

oh please...blame the retailers for caveman behavior of the buyers?...that's laughable...conditions become dangerous because of consumer greed

The nerve of those stores having a sale, trying to sell stuff!

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:09:11pm

"And needles under fingernails? Needles are good. They're used to repair clothes."

"Crucifiction? Cross is a religious symbol, what are you, anti-Christian?"

"Mutilation? People get amputated limbs all the time, it actually saves lives!"

49 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:09:47pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

"And needles under fingernails? Needles are good. They're used to repair clothes."

"Crucifiction? Cross is a religious symbol, what are you, anti-Christian?"

"Mutilation? People get amputated limbs all the time, it actually saves lives!"

Youtube Video
50 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:09:51pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

The nerve of those stores having a sale, trying to sell stuff!

Going back to last night's discussion, though, there's one retailer that appears to have a god-awful safety record for this sort of thing.

K-Mart and Kohl's and Target all had giant Black Friday sales, and it's not their name I see popping up again and again with the violence, and the chaos, and the rioting.

51 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:10:15pm

Yeah advertizing loss leaders from coast to coast and having a small availability has nothing to do with it.

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:10:22pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

[Video]

Exactly. He not only lived, he was all the better for it!

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:10:45pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

The nerve of those stores having a sale, trying to sell stuff!

there is such a thing as poor crowd control


ever been to a concert where they let too many people in? Where there weren't enough staff? Fights break out, it's a thing

54 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:11:01pm

There is some Ayn Rand woman ranting as a 'promoted video" on Youtube, from some "Learn Liberty" group.

Yeech.

55 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:11:05pm

re: #18 Obdicut

One security guard did. Off-duty police officer. Someone got arrested in the aftermath. He was doing it to quell an active riot, apparently.

That is actually a time when pepper spray is appropriate. Good on him.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:11:28pm

re: #54 Obdicut

There is some Ayn Rand woman ranting as a 'promoted video" on Youtube, from some "Learn Liberty" group.

Yeech.

Is she a Rand impersonator? I would watch. //

57 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:11:41pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

Yeah advertizing loss leaders from coast to coast and having a small availability has nothing to do with it.

Crowd control is for hippies! Just let people kick each other in the neck to death in the aisles

58 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:12:04pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

That is actually a time when pepper spray is appropriate. Good on him.

Well, without knowing the actual details, who knows. Maybe good on him, maybe not.

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:12:14pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

That is actually a time when pepper spray is appropriate. Good on him.

The other time is when Chuck Norris uses it as a deodorant. //

60 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:12:22pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

Yeah advertizing loss leaders from coast to coast and having a small availability has nothing to do with it.

Thats right

You get to the store,. the item you want has sold out ,, RIOT!!!

Stores fault!

Go to a restaurant, they sold the last piece of Prime Rib, BURN THE MOTHA DOWN
Go to a gas station, they just ran out of 87 Octane,,, TORCH THE PLACE

61 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:13:26pm

re: #53 WindUpBird

there is such a thing as poor crowd control

ever been to a concert where they let too many people in? Where there weren't enough staff? Fights break out, it's a thing

It shouldn't be

Nobody ever had to "control" me in such instances

I had self control

62 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:13:45pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I never thought of it before but it does, in some ways, explain my attitude towards mace and pepper spray. I've had a whiff of it before, I've seen plenty of people get maced before. Watching the Marines Security detail mace each other was a fun event. It's not really that big of a deal to me.

Did you miss the part where at least one of the UC Davis kids was coughing up blood after having it sprayed down his throat, or did you find that funny as well?

63 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:13:51pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

It shouldn't be

Nobody ever had to "control" me in such instances

I had self control

*gold star

64 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:14:02pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

It shouldn't be

Nobody ever had to "control" me in such instances

I had self control

You just don't remember the times you hadn't. //

65 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:14:12pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

Crowd control is for hippies! Just let people kick each other in the neck to death in the aisles

if they behave like herd animals, they will be treated like herd animals

66 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:14:13pm

re: #54 Obdicut

There is some Ayn Rand woman ranting as a 'promoted video" on Youtube, from some "Learn Liberty" group.

Yeech.

Wouldn't "Learn Heartlessness and Hatred of Religion" be a better title from a Randian group? Probably doesn't have the same ring to it.

67 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:14:22pm

re: #63 Amory Blaine

*gold star

Not really,,

Good upbringing!

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:14:35pm

re: #60 sattv4u2

Thats right

You get to the store,. the item you want has sold out ,, RIOT!!!

Stores fault!

Go to a restaurant, they sold the last piece of Prime Rib, BURN THE MOTHA DOWN
Go to a gas station, they just ran out of 87 Octane,,, TORCH THE PLACE

So there's no such thing as poor security and crowd control?

That's really your answer? okay them!


Your very serious Republican Opinion right here, brought to you by the fine folks at Little Green Footballs, lol

69 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:15:34pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Did you miss the part where at least one of the UC Davis kids was coughing up blood after having it sprayed down his throat, or did you find that funny as well?

Eh. They're just a Marxist trust fund hippie. Who cares?

///

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:15:57pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

It shouldn't be

Nobody ever had to "control" me in such instances

I had self control

The world is full of lots of different people, not just you!


Cool, huh?

71 danhenry1  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:16:37pm

My ReStor lenses did not like pepper spray. Fox will be part of the suit if I do not get my siht back. And that was just a test based on Fox staing that it is harmless. Do they know that that statement can be used as 'dependent on knowledgeable', disemination? Can't even see straight.

Maybe FoxNews will will just tell me to spray some Canola in my eyes.

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #69 Lidane

Eh. They're just a Marxist trust fund hippie. Who cares?

///

Suddenly I'm reminded of

Youtube Video
73 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:17:12pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

So there's no such thing as poor security and crowd control?

That's really your answer? okay them!

Your very serious Republican Opinion right here, brought to you by the fine folks at Little Green Footballs, lol

Why would one need to 'control a crowd" if the 'crowd" behaved? Can one be upset about circumstances? Sure

How one deals with it is on them.

get to the ticket window as the concert sells out ,,DECISION,,, tip over a car,, or go home disappointed

Your choice

74 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:17:39pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

The world is full of lots of different people, not just you!

Cool, huh?

Not 'cool" if you act a "fool"

75 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:17:45pm

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

The other time is when Chuck Norris uses it as a deodorant. //

No, it shouldn't be used by Chuck Norris, it should be used on Chuck Norris whenever he sits down to write an article for Weird Nut Daily.

76 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:17:57pm

The Amazon reviews are hilarious. My personal favorite so far:

Although, as many others have observed, this product is excellent for maintaining law and order, the ordinary consumer seldom ventures into this area -- that's what police are for. For the rest of us, this product provides invaluable help during intense shopping expeditions. The New York Times on Black Friday shopping: "In California, a woman pepper-sprayed fellow Wal-Mart shoppers, apparently to keep them from grabbing an Xbox she wanted." However, I gave the produce only four stars, not five, because of a problem that limits use of the product by the entire family -- the cannister is too large for a small child to manage. A kiddie-sized package would prove useful for child-centered celebrations like Easter Egg Hunts or Halloween.

77 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:18:00pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

So there's no such thing as poor security and crowd control?

That's really your answer? okay them!

Your very serious Republican Opinion right here, brought to you by the fine folks at Little Green Footballs, lol

poor crowds lead to poor crowd control...I won't deny problems with morons, but personal responsibility cannot be discounted as quaint...if you are willing to assault somebody over a video game, little can stop you

78 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:18:30pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Did you miss the part where at least one of the UC Davis kids was coughing up blood after having it sprayed down his throat, or did you find that funny as well?

I didn't see that but pepper spray shouldn't cause internal bleeding. The report probably isn't accurate (like the chick who claimed she had a miscarriage after being pepper sprayed) or it's the sign of a serious medical condition.

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:19:06pm

re: #65 albusteve

if they behave like herd animals, they will be treated like herd animals

it's just dumb neglect on the part of a store running a massive doorbuster

hell, even at small rock shows I go to, they're quite careful to only let people in as they can handle them, as they can process tickets, etc

80 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:20:14pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

There's something really horrible about her statement. I know it's funny, but it reminds me a lot of the people who insist that waterboarding is no big deal. Not making an honest argument for why these things should be used, but pretending coyly that they don't understand what the problem might be.

"It's a food product."

"They just poured some water on him."

Hee hee.

If pepper spray is no big deal I wonder if she'd be ok with being deployed at her child's school. Methinks not.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:20:24pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

It shouldn't be

Nobody ever had to "control" me in such instances

I had self control

I'm sure fire marshals are probably still going to have to do their job, regardless of your assurances that your upbringing makes you an ascendant being

82 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:20:38pm

I remember the gas chamber at Paris Island, SC. My fellow recruits and I were treated to the sight of other recruits having panic attacks on exposure to chlorobenzylidene malonitrile or CS Gas. Not something I'd put on my food.

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:20:38pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

It shouldn't be

Nobody ever had to "control" me in such instances

I had self control

A few years ago, a Wal-Mart employee was killed in a stampede. The people who actually trampled him to death had no control--they had to move forward or go down--and the people behind had no real way to understand what was going on in front. Bad crowd control.

A big group of people is more than the sum of the individuals in the crowd, and managing them is a bit of an art and a lot of a science.

I think it's significant that it's Wal-Mart, not any of the other box stores, that had such total chaos breaking out.

84 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:21:46pm

CNN talking heads discussing the responsibility of retail stores re sales and crowd control right now

85 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:21:55pm

re: #81 WindUpBird

I'm sure fire marshals are probably still going to have to do their job, regardless of your assurances that your upbringing makes you an ascendant being

"fire marshals" are there to insure the venue or store doesn't have more people in it than is lawfully allowed

That has nothing to do with someone who starts a riot because they missed out on a $100 Plasma TV

86 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:22:05pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Thanks, Dr. Trout. However, the problem is that repeated coughing and retching can indeed cause tears in the throat (as many asthmatics know), so you can make someone cough blood by pepper-spraying them.

As with waterboarding, try to not minimize the problem when making your case.

87 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:22:06pm

re: #80 BigPapa

If pepper spray is no big deal I wonder if she'd be ok with being deployed at her child's school. Methinks not.

As long as it was on someone else's kids, sure.

It's a very NIMBY attitude, just like the rest of the people who can't understand why pepper spraying these kids was unwarranted brute force.

88 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:22:19pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

So there's no such thing as poor security and crowd control?

That's really your answer? okay them!

Your very serious Republican Opinion right here, brought to you by the fine folks at Little Green Footballs, lol

I don't think that was his answer in its entirety. Surely poor crowd control can be cited, but the ultimate blame for a store riot* must rest with the rioters. If they hadn't started trouble, there would not have been any trouble.

*: "Store Riot" was used to separate this event from riots with political causes. I wanted only to speak to this limited set of circumstances, and so excluded other riots to avoid undue complexity.

89 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

My father worked in security for US embassies overseas. I was in his office once while he was prepping canisters of mace when he bumped one wrong and spayed himself in the face. I never laughed so hard in my life.

You and your dad have a good relationship though, right?

90 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:22:45pm

re: #79 WindUpBird

it's just dumb neglect on the part of a store running a massive doorbuster

hell, even at small rock shows I go to, they're quite careful to only let people in as they can handle them, as they can process tickets, etc

I'm not saying crowd control doesn't need to improve, but the reason why is because people act like animals...it's just cause and effect

91 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:23:23pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

IIRC,, the crowd neglected the rope lines leading into the store, instead pushing straight forward from the back

92 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:24:20pm

Black Friday retail sales hit record, says report - @CNNMoney cnnmon.ie/vbVksB

All's well that ends well!!
/

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:24:59pm

re: #89 eclectic infidel

You and your dad have a good relationship though, right?

Yeah, it was good. He died about a year after that incident (not related to mace).

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:25:00pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I didn't see that but pepper spray shouldn't cause internal bleeding. The report probably isn't accurate (like the chick who claimed she had a miscarriage after being pepper sprayed) or it's the sign of a serious medical condition.

It could have something to do with the fact that it's not actually meant to be sprayed in large quantities down the throat.

95 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:25:10pm

what about this supposed phenomenon of people in crowds not being the same as a collection of individuals making individual decisions, but becoming overwhelmed with a psychological phenomenon of Crowd Mind and Mob Mentality?

(usually not a good thing, either...)

96 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:25:23pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

A few years ago, a Wal-Mart employee was killed in a stampede. The people who actually trampled him to death had no control--they had to move forward or go down--and the people behind had no real way to understand what was going on in front. Bad crowd control.

A big group of people is more than the sum of the individuals in the crowd, and managing them is a bit of an art and a lot of a science.

I think it's significant that it's Wal-Mart, not any of the other box stores, that had such total chaos breaking out.

A strong showing of security and better crowd control measures would start sending a message that unruly behavior is not tolerated. Maybe breaking this yearly cycle. But that would cost money.

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:25:28pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

(not related to mace).

You just had to write this.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:25:47pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

Why would one need to 'control a crowd" if the 'crowd" behaved? Can one be upset about circumstances? Sure

How one deals with it is on them.

get to the ticket window as the concert sells out ,,DECISION,,, tip over a car,, or go home disappointed

Your choice

Say I just walked into a busy area and shot a prize cannon filled with hundred dollar bills around, all over the place

That'd be sorta irresponsible! It might end up causing a disturbance and injuries!

Same with doorbuster deal-of-the-year sales without crowd control or any responsible management


Businesses should be responsible and stuff!


I know that's a shocking, unknowable concept that is anathema to the current GOP zeitgeist

99 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:26:11pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it was good. He died about a year after that incident (not related to mace).

Updinged for the good relationship, not his passing...just realized that .. anyway, I also read the subsequent posts and do recall reading that about Marines and mace training exercises.

100 freetoken  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:26:17pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

Black Friday retail sales hit record, says report - @CNNMoney cnnmon.ie/vbVksB

All's well that ends well!!
/

That's what the credit card banks say, as Americans' credit card indebtedness surges higher for the first time in a couple of years.

101 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:26:37pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

IIRC,, the crowd neglected the rope lines leading into the store, instead pushing straight forward from the back

The stampede mindset of goofball shoppers is the main reason I stay from stores in the silly season. I also take alternative route to destinations to avoid traffic near shopping centers.

102 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:26:53pm

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

You just had to write this.

Considering the story he told ,, coupled with "died about a year after", I thought it relevant

103 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:27:03pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

A strong showing of security and better crowd control measures would start sending a message that unruly behavior is not tolerated. Maybe breaking this yearly cycle. But that would cost money.

Stores get hit with lawsuits every year about their negligence and complicity in the injuries that occur at these sales. Many times they're found liable, and pay it off. It's still worth their while, so they keep on doing it. There's just a chance of a lawsuit vs. the certainty of sales.

104 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:27:17pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

A strong showing of security and better crowd control measures would start sending a message that unruly behavior is not tolerated. Maybe breaking this yearly cycle. But that would cost money.

and alot of pepper spray, and then you'd have a new thing to complain about...smart people don't have anything to do with this retail shit...if you campout to get a deal on a tv, you're stupid....plain and simple

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:27:45pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

IIRC,, the crowd neglected the rope lines leading into the store, instead pushing straight forward from the back

Probably.

They should not have been allowed to do that.

106 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:28:09pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Going back to last night's discussion, though, there's one retailer that appears to have a god-awful safety record for this sort of thing.

K-Mart and Kohl's and Target all had giant Black Friday sales, and it's not their name I see popping up again and again with the violence, and the chaos, and the rioting.

I really hate to generalize but, being somewhat lower-middle-class and a person that patronizes WalMart quite a bit, there's a reason for websites such as People of WalMart. More than any other retailer I go to, there's always plenty of low-brow, low-class fail going on from people who should be old enough to know better at a WalMart somewhere, usually late at night.

107 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:28:12pm

OK here is an example of military hardware being used for cooking.

Youtube Video
108 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:29:17pm

re: #98 WindUpBird

Say I just walked into a busy area and shot a prize cannon filled with hundred dollar bills around, all over the place

That'd be sorta irresponsible! It might end up causing a disturbance and injuries!

Same with doorbuster deal-of-the-year sales without crowd control or any responsible management

Businesses should be responsible and stuff!

I know that's a shocking, unknowable concept that is anathema to the current GOP zeitgeist

No,, whats a shocking, unknowable concept to the current "me me" generation is that if you don't get one of those hundred dollar bills shot out of the prize cannon doesn't give you license to burn the next car you come across

109 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:29:24pm

MOOO!
I want what I want!
MOOO!

110 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:30:08pm

re: #108 sattv4u2


The current generation are the ones causing troubles at Black Friday sales?

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:30:31pm

re: #95 engineer dog

what about this supposed phenomenon of people in crowds not being the same as a collection of individuals making individual decisions, but becoming overwhelmed with a psychological phenomenon of Crowd Mind and Mob Mentality?

(usually not a good thing, either...)

I'd say it's hardly 'supposed'. People act different in groups.

112 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:30:53pm

re: #110 Obdicut

The current generation are the ones causing troubles at Black Friday sales?

Attitudinally, yes

Do you recall such instances, say 20-30 years ago? longer???

113 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:31:33pm

re: #110 Obdicut

The current generation are the ones causing troubles at Black Friday sales?

it's not dead people

114 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:31:57pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Attitudinally, yes

Do you recall such instances, say 20-30 years ago? longer???

Do you just not know what a generation is or something?

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:32:14pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

A strong showing of security and better crowd control measures would start sending a message that unruly behavior is not tolerated. Maybe breaking this yearly cycle. But that would cost money.

I think that's it. It's not that Target or K-Mart doesn't want to make a shitload of money, I'm sure they do. But no one has Wal-Mart's insane devotion to the bottom line ahead of any other consideration. They've got a rep, and they earned it.

116 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:32:15pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Attitudinally, yes

Do you recall such instances, say 20-30 years ago? longer???

The rush for the Cabbage Patch Dolls.

117 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:32:47pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Do you just not know what a generation is or something?

how about a nice long semantics lesson...I need a nap

118 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:33:23pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Do you just not know what a generation is or something?

Todays kids "demand", so todays parents (to be their bestest friends) bow

Do you not see a difference in how kids are today as opposed to (lets say) even your gen??

119 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:33:40pm

re: #117 albusteve

how about a nice long semantics lesson...I need a nap

Sure. The phrase 'the current generation' doesn't really make any sense on any level.

120 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:34:07pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

So, um, it's the kids who are causing Black Friday riots?

Which generation are you talking about?

121 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:34:20pm
Youtube Video

Cabbage Patch Kids Craze!

122 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:34:36pm

re: #116 Idle Drifter

The rush for the Cabbage Patch Dolls.

People got pepper sprayed by other shoppers
??

Umm,,, NO, ,, my mom was part of that crowd (trying to) get one for my niece

They were out, she (and everyone else) left the store

123 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:34:44pm

re: #101 Idle Drifter

The stampede mindset of goofball shoppers is the main reason I stay from stores in the silly season.

It's why I started just buying all my Christmas gifts online.

Lately, I've been buying food-related gifts for my family, like Dresdner Stollen cakes, or pumpkin logs, or whatever. They get something from me for the entire family, they can share it with their kids and guests, and it's quick and painless.

124 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:35:14pm

re: #120 Obdicut

So, um, it's the kids who are causing Black Friday riots?

Which generation are you talking about?

yours

happy?

125 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:35:31pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

What generation am I in?

126 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:35:45pm

re: #125 Obdicut

What generation am I in?

I already told you

yours!!
geezz

127 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:35:56pm

re: #119 Obdicut

Sure. The phrase 'the current generation' doesn't really make any sense on any level.

it's hardly that important...normal people get his drift...the fights you pick are ridiculously anal

128 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:36:29pm

re: #123 Lidane

Yeah, I don't like crowds. I went around a bit on Friday but I avoided all the big stores. Didn't really see any good deals anyway.

My wife and I are making bitters this year as part of our presents. That's fun.

Being packed in with thousands of sweaty other shoppers = much less fun.

129 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:36:50pm

re: #127 albusteve

it's hardly that important...normal people get his drift...the fights you pick are ridiculously anal

it is what it is

130 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:36:58pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

No,, whats a shocking, unknowable concept to the current "me me" generation is that if you don't get one of those hundred dollar bills shot out of the prize cannon doesn't give you license to burn the next car you come across

How bout you are a parent, busting your ass for low wages and by some lucky chance you may be able to get your kid, who gets so little, an Xbox. Imagine the parents desire to try.

There is so much disdain for the poor of this country, such an amazing lack of compassion, or any attempt to imagine yourselves in their place.

No, they along with the hippies are just beneath you and your many like-minded friends, and they deserve it.


Gah.

131 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:37:18pm

I'll bet the cavemen we're complaining about those kids with their danged fancy wheels.

132 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:37:47pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

Todays kids "demand", so todays parents (to be their bestest friends) bow

Do you not see a difference in how kids are today as opposed to (lets say) even your gen??

Well I'm not that old, was born in the very late 60s and I remember clear as day having a job as soon as I hit HS. Simple stuff: mowing lawns, painting, helping with yard work, etc. There are kids at the culinary school I attend who own more gadgets for their phones and cars than I do, and I know most of them still live at home with their parents and party hard every chance they get. If I have noticed anything it's the whole entitlement thing, passed down from parent to child. Blech.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:37:55pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

You don't even know how old he is. Cool down and explain yourself a bit better.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:38:02pm

re: #106 talon_262

I really hate to generalize but, being somewhat lower-middle-class and a person that patronizes WalMart quite a bit, there's a reason for websites such as People of WalMart. More than any other retailer I go to, there's always plenty of low-brow, low-class fail going on at a WalMart somewhere, usually late at night.

People have brought this up, and I suppose it's a possible contributing factor. In my limited experience of Wal-Mart, I haven't seen that the clientele look wildly lower-brow than people in most big box stores. (I have seen 'People of Wal-Mart', but most of those folks are just dressed like lunatics, which in and of itself doesn't cause rioting.)

I guess I'm open-minded, but skeptical of the idea that there's a critical mass of out-of-control underclass shoppers that hit the Wal-Mart Black Friday sales, but NOT the K-Mart ones. I do, however, have no problem believing that Wal-Mart's notorious committment to sales may override good safety practices. GGT was also saying last night that she thinks the Wal-Mart store layouts are inherently less manageable in a situation like this.

Just my guesses, I may be wrong.

135 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:38:18pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

How bout you are a parent, busting your ass for low wages and by some lucky chance you may be able to get your kid, who gets so little, an Xbox. Imagine the parents desire to try.

There is so much disdain for the poor of this country, such an amazing lack of compassion, or any attempt to imagine yourselves in their place.

No, they along with the hippies are just beneath you and your many like-minded friends, and they deserve it.

Gah.

ill behavior has nothing to do with being poor

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:38:43pm

re: #110 Obdicut

The current generation are the ones causing troubles at Black Friday sales?

Well, from the description, Mrs. Pepper SPray was an Xer.

137 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:39:01pm

Oooh, kids these days! Rioting at Black Friday sales while livetwittering it on the interwebs.

138 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:39:02pm

I don't care how funny it is. Nothing will ever been as funny as the three wolf moon reviews.

139 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:39:49pm

Just back from wandering our small town. The Auburn-Bama game is on. The roads are like the Yarkon parkway on Yom Kippur.

140 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:40:10pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea


How bout you are a parent, busting your ass for low wages and by some lucky chance you may be able to get your kid, who gets so little, an Xbox. Imagine the parents desire to try.

I am ,, at at the time, it was the Wii, my son really wanted for Christmas when it 1st came out

11 stores, no luck,,,, AND

are just beneath you and your many like-minded friends, and they deserve it.

You have not clue 1 of what I've been through in my life

My son survived,,, he got one months later ,, I didn't riot because I couldn't get him the Wii at the time

141 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:40:44pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, from the description, Mrs. Pepper SPray was an Xer.

I remember going to Filene's Basement sales with my grandmother when I was young and seeing blue-haired ladies cursing at each other while pulling sweaters out of each other's hands.

Now Filenes is closing; one of the great retail arenas comes to a close. Silence, please, for all the blood spilled there.

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:40:50pm

Another peaceful night at LGF.

143 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:40:58pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

You don't even know how old he is. Cool down and explain yourself a bit better.

The original "yours" was tongue in cheek. As Steve said, non parsers knew my meaning

144 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:41:20pm

re: #138 EmmmieG

I don't care how funny it is. Nothing will ever been as funny as the three wolf moon reviews.

Youtube Video

hehe

145 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:41:50pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

People got pepper sprayed by other shoppers
??

Umm,,, NO, ,, my mom was part of that crowd (trying to) get one for my niece

They were out, she (and everyone else) left the store

Listening to the stories of the shopping madness over those damn dolls from my parents were hilarious. Fist fights and wrestling matches that broke out for the few remaining dolls in stores in our area.

146 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:42:09pm

Well, how's about some lovely chilled Belgian white ale, some glasses of Jack Daniels Honey Whiskey, and leftover protein, vegetable and starch from two days ago?

147 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:42:17pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

I dunno. It's more stylized, but SomethingAwful's Fashion SWATs are pretty epic.

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:42:33pm

re: #116 Idle Drifter

The rush for the Cabbage Patch Dolls.

[Link: www.time.com...]

[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]

149 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:42:45pm

re: #142 Sergey Romanov

Another peaceful night at LGF.

Ain't war hell.

150 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:43:26pm

re: #128 Obdicut

Yeah, I don't like crowds. I went around a bit on Friday but I avoided all the big stores. Didn't really see any good deals anyway.

My wife and I are making bitters this year as part of our presents. That's fun.

Being packed in with thousands of sweaty other shoppers = much less fun.

I hate going to the mall during the rest of the year. I'm sure as hell not going to go when people are trying to kill each other to get some random thing because it's 75% off for one day. Fuck that.

Let other people stampede each other for questionable deals if they want. I'll stay home, make some hot chocolate, and play the Star Wars: The Old Republic beta instead. ;)

151 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:43:43pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently the 'current generation' can time-travel.

Now, if we could only figure out who they are.

152 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:43:43pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Just back from wandering our small town. The Auburn-Bama game is on. The roads are like the Yarkon parkway on Yom Kippur.

War Eagle (though not so much this year, looks like)

153 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:43:43pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

How bout you are a parent, busting your ass for low wages and by some lucky chance you may be able to get your kid, who gets so little, an Xbox. Imagine the parents desire to try.

I am ,, at at the time, it was the Wii, my son really wanted for Christmas when it 1st came out

11 stores, no luck,,, AND

are just beneath you and your many like-minded friends, and they deserve it.

You have not clue 1 of what I've been through in my life

My son survived,,, he got one months later ,, I didn't riot because I couldn't get him the Wii at the time

You could afford to keep shopping & get it eventually at the reg price. Maybe these folks can only get it at the doorbuster price. Otherwise, no way. Sorry son, maybe next year.

154 Interesting Times  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:44:01pm

re: #137 Obdicut

Oooh, kids these days! Rioting at Black Friday sales while livetwittering it on the interwebs.

Doesn't most of the political and business elite in America consist of people in their 80s, 70s, 60s, and 50s? Ergo, most of our problems are all the fault of old people. Just put them on an ice floe already ///

155 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:44:15pm

re: #142 Sergey Romanov

Another peaceful night at LGF.

yeah, I suggest CJ ban all discussion about Black Friday....just too contentious and somebody will ruin the blog

156 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:45:01pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

War Eagle (though not so much this year, looks like)

Maybe they'll cut your son a tuition discount if they're stomped.

157 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:45:09pm

re: #149 Idle Drifter

Ain't war hell.

Youtube Video
158 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:45:09pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

You could afford to keep shopping & get it eventually at the reg price. Maybe these folks can only get it at the doorbuster price. Otherwise, no way. Sorry son, maybe next year.

Learn disappointment early

It will serve you well later in life

Not everyone should get an award for crossing the street

159 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:45:44pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Maybe they'll cut your son a tuition discount if they're stomped.

Probably charge more to get better players!!

160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:45:49pm

re: #155 albusteve

yeah, I suggest CJ ban all discussion about Black Friday...just too contentious and somebody will ruin the blog

Quite concur.

161 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:46:27pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

You could afford to keep shopping & get it eventually at the reg price. Maybe these folks can only get it at the doorbuster price. Otherwise, no way. Sorry son, maybe next year.

you've got it

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:47:05pm

re: #160 Sergey Romanov

Quite concur.

No, let's pick something really mellow, like food.

Topic #1: My mother makes everything right, and yours makes it wrong.

Topic #2: What does and doesn't belong on a pizza.

163 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:47:51pm

re: #162 EmmmieG

No, let's pick something really mellow, like food.

Topic #1: My mother makes everything right, and yours makes it wrong.

Topic #2: What does and doesn't belong on a pizza.

Easy

#2, anything #1 puts on it!

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:47:59pm

re: #162 EmmmieG

No, let's pick something really mellow, like food.

Topic #1: My mother makes everything right, and yours makes it wrong.

Topic #2: What does and doesn't belong on a pizza.

1. yo mamma

2. Pizza with pineapple forever, period.

165 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:48:02pm

re: #157 Sergey Romanov

I need to pick up some Rosetta Stone packs for Russian.

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:48:54pm

re: #165 Idle Drifter

I need to pick up some Rosetta Stone packs for Russian.

You want to learn Russian?

167 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:49:52pm

re: #164 Sergey Romanov

1. yo mamma

2. Pizza with pineapple forever, period.

Smoked applewood bacon and pineapple with bacon hot sauce on an Amazona's large can really hit the spot, I tell you.

168 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:49:52pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

You want to learn Russian?

I already know how to make Black AND White Russians

What more do I need??

169 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:49:59pm

#2
Pineapple and jalapenos.

170 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:50:18pm

re: #155 albusteve

yeah, I suggest CJ ban all discussion about Black Friday...just too contentious and somebody will ruin the blog

It's stealing brainwidth from OWS.

171 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:52:53pm

re: #169 Amory Blaine

#2
Pineapple and jalapenos.

Pfft. Jalapenos are for wimps. It should be pineapples and pepper spray for some real heat.

///

172 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:53:30pm

re: #171 Lidane

Heh. Supplementary cans for each pizza.

173 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:54:25pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

People have brought this up, and I suppose it's a possible contributing factor. In my limited experience of Wal-Mart, I haven't seen that the clientele look wildly lower-brow than people in most big box stores. (I have seen 'People of Wal-Mart', but most of those folks are just dressed like lunatics, which in and of itself doesn't cause rioting.)

I guess I'm open-minded, but skeptical of the idea that there's a critical mass of out-of-control underclass shoppers that hit the Wal-Mart Black Friday sales, but NOT the K-Mart ones. I do, however, have no problem believing that Wal-Mart's notorious committment to sales may override good safety practices. GGT was also saying last night that she thinks the Wal-Mart store layouts are inherently less manageable in a situation like this.

Just my guesses, I may be wrong.

I'm not saying that all of the blame for these Wal-Mart incidents rests on the shoppers (some of which needs some damn common sense); as you said, much of the blame goes on Wal-Mart corporate and their "Bottom Line Uber Alles" ethos.

From the store level all the way up the chain to Bentonville, Wal-Mart management is culpable for much of this crap; they have seen what happens every year for at least the past few years, yet the mitigation strategy hasn't really changed.

When you put a lot of people (many of them trying to make meager money stretch as far as possible and more than a few of them in dire need of a common sense transplant) trying to get good deals of limited quantities of merchandise together with Wal-Mart management that seems to have done cost-benefit analysis on improving security and crowd-control procedures at the stores and decided it wasn't worth the extra money off the bottom line, it's pretty damn bad.

To quote Val Kilmer in Real Genius, it's like lazing a stick of dynamite; the kicker is that people getting hurt or killed can be greatly reduced, but Wal-Mart decided they liked money more.

174 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:54:38pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

You want to learn Russian?

Actually, I've been wanting to learn a foreign language for sometime. In High School I could read Spanish but never speak it very well. Russian appealed to me from a professional stand point when I was working for Schlumberger. They had a school in Russia I would have rather attended than the one in Saudi Arabia that was placed out in the middle of a faceless desert.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:54:52pm

re: #165 Idle Drifter

I need to pick up some Rosetta Stone packs for Russian.

YOU COMMIE!!11

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:56:41pm

re: #174 Idle Drifter

Actually, I've been wanting to learn a foreign language for sometime. In High School I could read Spanish but never speak it very well. Russian appealed to me from a professional stand point when I was working for Schlumberger. They had a school in Russia I would have rather attended than the one in Saudi Arabia that was placed out in the middle of a faceless desert.

I must say that the Mormon missionaries I met here had pretty good Russian, and AFAIK they're only trained in language for several months. I wonder what courses they use.

177 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:57:53pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

I must say that the Mormon missionaries I met here had pretty good Russian, and AFAIK they're only trained in language for several months. I wonder what courses they use.

Possibly something like the Defense Language Institute in Monterey--total immersion 24/7.

178 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:58:15pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

I must say that the Mormon missionaries I met here had pretty good Russian, and AFAIK they're only trained in language for several months. I wonder what courses they use.

Berlitz used to be the gold standard, IIRC.

179 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:58:55pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Must crush capitalism!

180 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 2:58:55pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

I must say that the Mormon missionaries I met here had pretty good Russian, and AFAIK they're only trained in language for several months. I wonder what courses they use.

Very good friends are Mormons

Two of their sons and one of their daughters are on (or have been on) their missions

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

181 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:00:14pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

re: #180 sattv4u2

Very good friends are Mormons

Two of their sons and one of their daughters are on (or have been on) their missions

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

((One in China,,, two in South America)

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #173 talon_262

I'm not saying that all of the blame for these Wal-Mart incidents rests on the shoppers (some of which needs some damn common sense); as you said, much of the blame goes on Wal-Mart corporate and their "Bottom Line Uber Alles" ethos.

From the store level all the way up the chain to Bentonville, Wal-Mart management is culpable for much of this crap; they have seen what happens every year for at least the past few years, yet the mitigation strategy hasn't really changed.

When you put a lot of people (many of them trying to make meager money stretch as far as possible and more than a few of them in dire need of a common sense transplant) trying to get good deals of limited quantities of merchandise together with Wal-Mart management that seems to have done cost-benefit analysis on improving security and crowd-control procedures at the stores and decided it wasn't worth the extra money off the bottom line, it's pretty damn bad.

To quote Val Kilmer in Real Genius, it's like lazing a stick of dynamite; the kicker is that people getting hurt or killed can be greatly reduced, but Wal-Mart decided they liked money more.

Not every lawsuit that could be filed against them ends up being filed, and many that do are made to go away for less than they might otherwise be worth (this is often because the plantifs would rather have the money sooner rather than later, often they need it sooner).

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:01:19pm

re: #179 Idle Drifter

Must crush capitalism!

Youtube Video
184 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:01:48pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

re: #178 talon_262

Most are done at BYU's Missionary Training Ctr

185 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:02:01pm

I think my husband bought the last XBox 360 in the city this morning.

186 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:02:16pm

Denard Robinson doesn't suck ... Discuss among yourselves while my wife drags me away to a chick flick ...

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:02:39pm

re: #176 Sergey Romanov

I must say that the Mormon missionaries I met here had pretty good Russian, and AFAIK they're only trained in language for several months. I wonder what courses they use.

I'm glad to hear that they actually have language training now--I've heard tell from decades ago of Mormon kids plunked down abroad on mission with just a phrase book.

188 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:02:48pm

re: #186 _RememberTonyC

Denard Robinson doesn't suck ... Discuss among yourselves while my wife drags me away to a chick flick ...

Tell the truth

YOU picked the movie!

189 SteelGHAZI  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:02:58pm

I'm an extra cheese kinda guy, myself.

190 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:03:03pm

World’s first pee-controlled video game opens in London bar

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:03:18pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm glad to hear that they actually have language training now--I've heard tell from decades ago of Mormon kids plunked down abroad on mission with just a phrase book.

LOL.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:03:43pm

re: #190 Amory Blaine

World’s first pee-controlled video game opens in London bar

Is it called "Third rail"?

193 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:03:54pm

re: #185 prairiefire

I think my husband bought the last XBox 360 in the city this morning.

They;re plentiful at Game Stops (both new and used)

194 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:04:03pm

re: #179 Idle Drifter

Must crush capitalism!

[smiles]

195 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:06:16pm

re: #185 prairiefire

I think my husband bought the last XBox 360 in the city this morning.

I'm already predicting that my older XBox 360 will "suddenly" red ring and die right before this comes out.

*ahem*

196 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:06:22pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

re: #180 sattv4u2

((One in China,,, two one in South America,, one in Baltimore)

I'm lucky I know where my own kid is half the time ,, and he LIVES with me!!

///

197 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:06:58pm

re: #186 _RememberTonyC

Denard Robinson doesn't suck ... Discuss among yourselves while my wife drags me away to a chick flick ...

Going to see the new Twilight movie?

198 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:07:13pm

re: #190 Amory Blaine

World’s first pee-controlled video game opens in London bar

In the spirit of the riot squads, I give that story the Tactical Facepalm.

199 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:07:30pm

re: #197 Idle Drifter

Going to see the new Twilight movie?

If so, bring a flask of booze. It will help get you through the fail.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:07:42pm

re: #191 Sergey Romanov

LOL.

One of my friends says a pair of them worked on him for MONTHS, just because he spoke English, and would talk to them. They had no Dutch.

201 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:08:25pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my friends says a pair of them worked on him for MONTHS, just because he spoke English, and would talk to them. They had no Dutch.

Don't know why not,,,, there were TWO of them,, no?? Double Dutch !!!

202 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:10:08pm

re: #195 Lidane

I'm already predicting that my older XBox 360 will "suddenly" red ring and die right before this comes out.

*ahem*

Recently saw a Nat Geo documentary on an EOD team in Afghanistan. The kid driving a packable robot to place a C4 block on the IED was using an X-Box controller. It wasn't something like an X-Box, it wasn't even painted olive brab.

203 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:10:33pm

re: #192 Sergey Romanov

Is it called "Third rail"?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

204 Idle Drifter  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:11:34pm

re: #199 Lidane

If so, bring a flask of booze. It will help get you through the fail.

Ether rags help as well. Too bad Movie Bob had to go see it.

[Link: www.escapistmagazine.com...]

205 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:16:50pm

re: #203 rwdflynavy

When nature's callin, don't be stallin, use your common sense
If you have to go then let it flow, but don't whiz on th electric fence!!

206 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:17:21pm

Coming in late on the Black Friday talk. Check the concept of a 'moral holiday' especially the Feast of Fools:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

207 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:18:29pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

GGT was also saying last night that she thinks the Wal-Mart store layouts are inherently less manageable in a situation like this.

That's exactly the problem. Walmart is seriously goddamned frustrating. I tend to only go there for a few thing, like t-shirts, fishing line and ammunition, but walking to the back of the store to reach the outdoors section without a cart is seriously irritating. The aisles are narrow, even the main pathways are often clogged with pallets of goods on special. People with carts or children have to be on their game to avoid jamming shit up and making whole areas inaccessible.

The trick to surviving Walmart with one's sanity intact is to just not give a rat's ass about time efficiency or random rudeness. My Dad who is normally very easily annoyed and loves registering his old man's displeasure in everything to complete strangers can deal with it there because he's retired, has nothing else to do and likes spending lots of time looking at prices. Also he's oblivious to pedestrians in all situations (scary) so the fact that he's causing backups and then randomly cutting people off doesn't even register. If you're the kind of person who conscientiously and scrupulously gives a shit about courtesy while trying to get shit done then Walmart can be hell.

208 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:20:12pm

re: #192 Sergey Romanov

Is it called "Third rail"?

re: #203 rwdflynavy

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

re: #205 rwdflynavy

When nature's callin, don't be stallin, use your common sense
If you have to go then let it flow, but don't whiz on th electric fence!!

Youtube Video
209 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:21:52pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

That's exactly the problem. Walmart is seriously goddamned frustrating. I tend to only go there for a few thing, like t-shirts, fishing line and ammunition, but walking to the back of the store to reach the outdoors section without a cart is seriously irritating. The aisles are narrow, even the main pathways are often clogged with pallets of goods on special. People with carts or children have to be on their game to avoid jamming shit up and making whole areas inaccessible.

The trick to surviving Walmart with one's sanity intact is to just not give a rat's ass about time efficiency or random rudeness. My Dad who is normally very easily annoyed and loves registering his old man's displeasure in everything to complete strangers can deal with it there because he's retired, has nothing else to do and likes spending lots of time looking at prices. Also he's oblivious to pedestrians in all situations (scary) so the fact that he's causing backups and then randomly cutting people off doesn't even register. If you're the kind of person who conscientiously and scrupulously gives a shit about courtesy while trying to get shit done then Walmart can be hell.

[looks at bolded section, then looks at Goddamnfrank.]
Yep, that explains a lot.

/just having fun, not meant to be hurtful.

210 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:22:08pm

Fox Newx Denounces Black Friday Protesters, Asks "What Do They Want???"

getting pepper sprayed clear sign of socialism and lack of respect for authority

211 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:23:16pm

HellMart....okay
if you have to shop at HellMart you may have other, more serious problems

212 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:23:54pm

re: #95 engineer dog

what about this supposed phenomenon of people in crowds not being the same as a collection of individuals making individual decisions, but becoming overwhelmed with a psychological phenomenon of Crowd Mind and Mob Mentality?

(usually not a good thing, either...)

well, anyway, my point is that Mob Mentality phenomena kind of make mincemeat of arguments based on personal responsibility

213 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:24:04pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

If you're the kind of person who conscientiously and scrupulously gives a shit about courtesy while trying to get shit done then Walmart can be hell.

This is why I'm mercenary about going to Walmart. I make a list, stick to it, and get in and out with as few items as possible. Trying to navigate the store is monumental pain in the ass.

214 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:24:19pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Ah well

There'll be lots of unfurled rolls of toilet paper around Auburn Alabama tonight!!

215 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:24:30pm

re: #210 engineer dog

Fox Newx Denounces Black Friday Protesters, Asks "What Do They Want???"

getting pepper sprayed clear sign of socialism and lack of respect for authority

they want stuff...any idiot can see that?

216 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:25:01pm

re: #212 engineer dog

well, anyway, my point is that Mob Mentality phenomena kind of make mincemeat of arguments based on personal responsibility

don't be part of a mob....problem solved

217 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:26:54pm

re: #214 sattv4u2

Ah well

There'll be lots of unfurled rolls of toilet paper around Auburn Alabama tonight!!

Auburn's getting schooled...forget the tp and break out the kleenex

218 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:27:56pm

re: #216 albusteve

don't be part of a mob...problem solved

Youtube Video
219 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:28:19pm

re: #214 sattv4u2

Ah well

There'll be lots of unfurled rolls of toilet paper around Auburn Alabama tonight!!

It can be worse. The daughters' school is losing, but I'm sort of a Penn State fan.

220 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:28:35pm

re: #217 albusteve

Auburn's getting schooled...forget the tp and break out the kleenex

LSU/ Alabama for the national championship!!

They're the two best teams ,,,,

221 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:28:53pm

You know what the difference is between crickets and locusts? Population density, it triggers a physiological change. Jam too many of them together and they have no choice but to turn into assholes, same thing with Walmart.

222 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:29:39pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

You know what the difference is between crickets and locusts? Population density, it triggers a physiological change. Jam too many of them together and they have not choice but to turn into assholes, same thing with Walmart.

WalMart sells crickets and locusts?

223 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:29:43pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

LSU/ Alabama for the national championship!!

They're the two best teams ,,,

neither could have whipped MI today...red necks don't know shit about football

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:29:52pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

You know what the difference is between crickets and locusts? Population density, it triggers a physiological change.

I thought it was water and feeding them after midnight!!1
//

225 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:30:40pm

re: #223 albusteve

neither could have whipped MI today...red necks don't know shit about football

Please,,,,, I can name half a dozen "red neck" schools that would beat Michigan this year alone

226 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:30:49pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

[Video]

Well played, sir!

227 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:30:57pm

re: #216 albusteve

don't be part of a mob...problem solved

The difference between mob a happy concert fan can be as little as a loud firecracker. I had a couple of my kids at a Pink Floyd show in Venice, and prepped them in detail about what to do if the mellow joy turned to shit.

228 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:31:10pm

re: #216 albusteve

don't be part of a mob...problem solved

easier said than done

i doubt that anybody intends to become part of an out-of-control mob

229 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:31:23pm

re: #222 sattv4u2

WalMart sells crickets and locusts?

They do in Eufaula, AL.

230 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:31:47pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

They do in Eufaula, AL.

bait, huh??

((or snacks!!))

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:31:58pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

Well played, sir!

tanks

232 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:32:43pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

Please,,, I can name half a dozen "red neck" schools that would beat Michigan this year alone

>

okay Bubba....pass the bong

233 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:32:46pm

re: #215 albusteve

they want stuff...any idiot can see that?

is making joke, comrade

234 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:34:52pm

re: #232 albusteve

>

okay Bubba...pass the bong

LSU
Alabama
Arknasas
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Georgia

(maybe even Houston)((maybe even Clemson))

235 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:35:31pm

re: #228 engineer dog

easier said than done

i doubt that anybody intends to become part of an out-of-control mob

simple...shop elsewhere....the entire notion that some retailer is responsible for consumer behavior is ridiculous....life is chock full of choices...this subject isn't even important

236 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:36:17pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

The difference between mob a happy concert fan can be as little as a loud firecracker. I had a couple of my kids at a Pink Floyd show in Venice, and prepped them in detail about what to do if the mellow joy turned to shit.

And surely Albusteve can supply incidents in which Rolling Stones concerts turned ugly.

237 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:36:27pm

re: #233 engineer dog

is making joke, comrade

ah, my bad

238 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:37:19pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Eufaula, AL

Gateway to Baker Hill!

239 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:37:36pm

Please somebody post some OWS errata so the sports bravado gets drowned out

240 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:37:53pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

And surely Albusteve can supply incidents in which Rolling Stones concerts turned ugly.

Angels don't use pepper spray.

241 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:38:05pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

And surely Albusteve can supply incidents in which Rolling Stones concerts turned ugly.

worst I ever saw was a Who show at Cobo Hall in Detroit...unticketed goons smashed their way in...I posted the story a few years ago....very tense

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:38:29pm

re: #239 BigPapa

A generic incident happened at a generic OWS protest in a generic town. News at 11.

243 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:39:12pm

re: #238 sattv4u2

Eufaula, AL

Gateway to Baker Hill!

First interstate telephone line, no matter what They say.

244 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:40:02pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Angels don't use pepper spray.

I've seen the Stones twice and neither time was there any trouble...once in Chicago and later in Detroit....Stones fans are cool in that regard...we're much more sophisticated, than say Nirvana thugs

245 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:42:01pm

re: #244 albusteve

I've seen the Stones twice and neither time was there any trouble...once in Chicago and later in Detroit...Stones fans are cool in that regard...we're much more sophisticated, than say Nirvana thugs

There was considerable pushing and shoving at a performance of Aida in Verona. I blame the chariot-horse fanatics.

246 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:42:28pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

First interstate telephone line, no matter what They say.

And I have a photo of the 1st call made !!

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

247 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:42:44pm

re: #242 Sergey Romanov

A generic incident happened at a generic OWS protest in a generic town. News at 11.

re: #242 Sergey Romanov

A generic incident happened at a generic OWS protest in a generic town. News at 11.

I'm generically concerned

248 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:43:19pm

re: #239 BigPapa

Please somebody post some OWS errata so the sports bravado gets drowned out

How about if I post nice things about WalMart? I can't defend the corporate abuse of employees, but they are an appreciated employer here in rural NM. And it's as much a place to socialize as it is a place to shop. Maybe that's because the Wal Mart haters are the efficient shopper types, and they don't go there. I love seeing all the abuelas catching up with each other. It's a great place to brush up on your Spanglish. We don't have the population density to jam the aisles here either.

249 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:44:16pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

There was considerable pushing and shoving at a performance of Aida in Verona. I blame the chariot-horse fanatics.

Aida just makes you need to push and shove

250 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:45:28pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

There was considerable pushing and shoving at a performance of Aida in Verona. I blame the chariot-horse fanatics.

They had an excuse, since their expected Bread to go along with their Circus had not arrived.

/Roman Humor

251 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:46:11pm

re: #249 albusteve

Aida just makes you need to push and shove

It was in a 1900-year old amphitheater. My daughter started a small fire with her traditional first-act candle.

252 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:46:34pm

re: #239 BigPapa

Please somebody post some OWS errata so the sports bravado gets drowned out

A Snorlax blocks your path.

253 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:46:58pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

It was in a 1900-year old amphitheater. My daughter started a small fire with her traditional first-act candle.

well, arson...what do you expect?

254 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:48:15pm

re: #253 albusteve

well, arson...what do you expect?

Occupy il Teatro.

255 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:48:32pm

the Redneck Nation are killing each other in AL....ha!

256 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:49:18pm

they consider the old pigskin edible down there...

257 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:49:50pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

A Snorlax blocks your path.

Damn cop stole my fun! I was going to use a 'levitate' spell to haul the Snorlax to the lake and then waterboard the thing.

/kidding, and thanks for the pic GDF.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:49:53pm

re: #222 sattv4u2

WalMart sells crickets and locusts?

Probably. Fishing supplies.

259 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:50:39pm

re: #239 BigPapa

Please somebody post some OWS errata so the sports bravado gets drowned out

How about an OWS headscratcher?

Eliot Spitzer and Occupy Wall Street find each other

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

260 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:50:49pm

re: #256 albusteve

they consider the old pigskin edible down there...

And ??

Image: Big_pig_roast.jpg

261 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:51:17pm

re: #255 albusteve

the Redneck Nation are killing each other in AL...ha!

Shhh--Sattv's kid is planning on Auburn in the Fall. He'll join a colony of lepers scraping their pustules on a dungheap.

262 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:51:26pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

It was in a 1900-year old amphitheater. My daughter started a small fire with her traditional first-act candle.

So which Emperor must we blame for it? Commodus? OCCUPY THE COLOSSEUM!!1

263 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:51:50pm

re: #260 sattv4u2

And ??

Image: Big_pig_roast.jpg

WHAT?...that's an Auburn cheerlealeader for god's sake

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:52:28pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

They had an excuse, since their expected Bread to go along with their Circus had not arrived.

/Roman Humor

True Roman Bread, for True Romans!!

(I love Forum Newscaster Guy).

265 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:52:30pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

So which Emperor must we blame for it? Commodus? OCCUPY THE COLOSSEUM!!1

Dunno--it was 69 AD. There were 3 emperors that year.

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:53:09pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

Dunno--it was 69 AD. There were 3 emperors that year.

3 in 69? That's too many!

267 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:54:17pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

3 in 69? That's too many!

They had serious term limits.

268 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:54:22pm

In other news, the son of the guy who wrote this book was in the shop today: Yearning for Yesterday: A Sociology of Nostalgia. First time in a long time, if not ever, someone was impressed that I had majored in sociology.

269 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:54:24pm

re: #259 Rightwingconspirator

How about an OWS headscratcher?

Eliot Spitzer and Occupy Wall Street find each other

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Well, maybe it was the 'free love' that attracted him. The man has a history of being fond of young ladies.

/Oh yeah, I went there.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:54:46pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

3 in 69? That's too many!

Sometimes the first guy you get for the job doesn't quite work out.

271 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:55:07pm

re: #259 Rightwingconspirator

How about an OWS headscratcher?

Eliot Spitzer and Occupy Wall Street find each other

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

I don't see that relationship lasting very long. I don't see much chance of OWS allowing any sort of prominent leadership especially from someone so mainstream and dull.

272 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:55:19pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

Dunno--it was 69 AD. There were 3 emperors that year.

Blame Nero then! Even so, OCCUPY THE COLOSSEUM!!1

/OWS logic

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:55:27pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Well, maybe it was the 'free love' that attracted him. The man has a history of being fond of young ladies.

/Oh yeah, I went there.

What, are these people actually hippie reenactors or something? No one believes in free love anymore!!!

274 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:55:46pm

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Shhh--Sattv's kid is planning on Auburn in the Fall. He'll join a colony of lepers scraping their pustules on a dungheap.

Is that a major or an elective??

275 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:56:03pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Well, maybe it was the 'free love' that attracted him. The man has a history of being fond of young ladies.

/Oh yeah, I went there.

Anthony Wiener needs a new gig. He'd be great as the King of OWS.

276 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:56:19pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

3 in 69? That's too many!

Damn nuns--they've made me perpetually late for the dirty jokes.

277 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:56:38pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

3 in 69? That's too much!

Or too few!!!

278 makeitstop  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:57:03pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

You know what the difference is between crickets and locusts? Population density, it triggers a physiological change. Jam too many of them together and they have no choice but to turn into assholes, same thing with Walmart.

See Behavioral Sink

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:57:13pm

I miss "Rome". It was great fun.

It ended on a nice note, though. I love the last scene with Atia and Livia. A hostile, female, Roman version of "the beginning of a beautiful friendship'.

280 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:57:16pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

In other news, the son of the guy who wrote this book was in the shop today: Yearning for Yesterday: A Sociology of Nostalgia. First time in a long time, if not ever, someone was impressed that I had majored in sociology.

I'm impressed, for the record...sociology is a fun and interesting subject and I'm sure your sales reflects that

281 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:57:38pm

re: #274 sattv4u2

Is that a major or an elective??

That's fraternity row.

282 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:58:14pm

re: #273 SanFranciscoZionist

What, are these people actually hippie reenactors or something? No one believes in free love anymore!!!

DF evidently missed the early 90s.

Youtube Video
283 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:58:23pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

That's fraternity row.

Well ,,as long as there are kegs involved

284 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:58:42pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #222 sattv4u2

WalMart sells crickets and locusts?

Probably. Fishing supplies.

Getcha preserved crickets right here.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:58:46pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

I miss "Rome". It was great fun.

It ended on a nice note, though. I love the last scene with Atia and Livia. A hostile, female, Roman version of "the beginning of a beautiful friendship'.

Posca was my favorite character, though. A survivor.

286 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:59:40pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Anthony Wiener needs a new gig. He'd be great as the King of OWS.

Burn!

Good job, Killgore, getting one more shot in on Wiener. Well done.

287 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 3:59:51pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably. Fishing supplies.

I wish I had said that

Oh ,, wait !!!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

//

288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:00:05pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

I miss "Rome". It was great fun.

It ended on a nice note, though. I love the last scene with Atia and Livia. A hostile, female, Roman version of "the beginning of a beautiful friendship'.

That was a fantastic little series. I love filmed soap operas.

289 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:00:34pm

re: #282 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

DF evidently missed the early 90s.

[Video]

are you still taking style classes?

290 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:00:40pm

re: #288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That was a fantastic little series. I love filmed soap operas.

I don't like soap that leaves a film!!
/

291 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:01:36pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Burn!

Good job, Killgore, getting one more shot in on Wiener. Well done.

I seriously miss the guy. What a shame he imploded like that.

292 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:02:17pm

re: #280 albusteve

I'm impressed, for the record...sociology is a fun and interesting subject and I'm sure your sales reflects that

My activity in the shop does, but it would be a stretch to call it "sales". I just spent a half hour teaching a nice young woman all about tire sizes, knowing that I didn't have what she needed. She was impressed that I had met the man whose name graces her bicycle (Angel Rodriguez).

293 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:02:33pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

I seriously miss the guy. What a shame he imploded like that.

his remarkable stiffy lives on!

294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:03:28pm

re: #289 albusteve

are you still taking style classes?

Never have; am not now.

Recommended?

295 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:04:11pm

I also saw some mention of Van Jones trying to ride the OWS gravy train. Meh.

296 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:04:13pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

My activity in the shop does, but it would be a stretch to call it "sales". I just spent a half hour teaching a nice young woman all about tire sizes, knowing that I didn't have what she needed. She was impressed that I had met the man whose name graces her bicycle (Angel Rodriguez).

you need a fan club...glossies, bumper stickers etc

297 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:04:21pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

I seriously miss the guy. What a shame he imploded like that.

He had a bright future and then threw it away doing something both stupid and utterly lame.

Eh, as the Romans would say: Sic transit gloria mundi.

298 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:06:26pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

He had a bright future and then threw it away doing something both stupid and utterly lame.

Eh, as the Romans would say: Sic transit gloria mundi.

I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it.

299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:06:36pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

I also saw some mention of Van Jones trying to ride the OWS gravy train. Meh.

Sounds like you've been reading Jane Hamsher from about 2 mos ago.

Youtube Video

U shd clear yr cache.

300 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:06:41pm

re: #296 albusteve

you need a fan club...glossies, bumper stickers etc

Someday I'll make a Facebook page for the shop, and you can "friend" it.

301 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:07:35pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Yep. Only things I buy there any more are sweat pants (cheap!) and ammo (even cheaper!) otherwise I'd not shop there at all. OTOH when I was a OTR driver, I learned that Wal-mart was very trucker friendly and that many of them have special truck parking. Makes it easy to stop for the night at someplace safer than some of the truck stops in, ah, certain parts of the nation.

302 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:08:22pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

Wrong side of the river.

303 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:09:00pm

re: #301 wlewisiii

Yep. Only things I buy there any more are sweat pants (cheap!) and ammo (even cheaper!) otherwise I'd not shop there at all. OTOH when I was a OTR driver, I learned that Wal-mart was very trucker friendly and that many of them have special truck parking. Makes it easy to stop for the night at someplace safer than some of the truck stops in, ah, certain parts of the nation.

RV friendly also

They don't mind if you park your RV in their lot for a night or two as you're "passing thru"

304 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:09:21pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

Wrong side of the river.

damn!

305 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:10:52pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

damn!

Great movie--the shot of the group craning the dead guy out of the hold is one of the best.

306 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:11:44pm

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Great movie--the shot of the group craning the dead guy out of the hold is one of the best.

I watch it at least once a year

[after being badly beaten by Johnny Friendly and his goons]
Terry: Get me on my feet.
[Father Barry and Edie help Terry stand up]
Father Barry: How're you doing?
Terry: Am I on my feet?

307 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:12:15pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

He had a bright future and then threw it away doing something both stupid and utterly lame.

Weiner will be back as a talking head before you know it (if he isn't already). See: Eliot Spitzer.

Or running a PAC or "foundation" or "think tank" that's out of the limelight. See: Joe Miller.

308 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:13:30pm

Edie: Shouldn't everybody care about everybody else?
Terry: Boy, what a fruitcake you are!

309 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:14:13pm

re: #307 jvic

Weiner will be back as a talking head before you know it (if he isn't already). See: Eliot Spitzer.

Or running a PAC or "foundation" or "think tank" that's out of the limelight. See: Joe Miller.

Hee,,Hee, He said "head" and Spitzer"...

310 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:15:16pm

re: #307 jvic

Weiner will be back as a talking head before you know it (if he isn't already). See: Eliot Spitzer.

Or running a PAC or "foundation" or "think tank" that's out of the limelight. See: Joe Miller.

Joe Miller of Alaska is in a think tank? Does he have to think every day?

311 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:15:34pm

Sic transit gloria mundi

or, 'that's how Gloria gets to work on Mondays"

i had a big crush on Atia

312 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:15:53pm

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Joe Miller of Alaska is in a think tank? Does he have to think every day?

Only his head is in the tank

UPSIDE ,,, he has a very good view of the goldfish!!

313 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:16:07pm

re: #307 jvic

Weiner will be back as a talking head before you know it (if he isn't already). See: Eliot Spitzer.

Or running a PAC or "foundation" or "think tank" that's out of the limelight. See: Joe Miller.

I know. I've seen it happen, in the same way that Alan Grayson is trying to make a comeback next year. Between Grayson and Weiner, though, I'd much prefer if Weiner was able to make a comeback. There ought to be a place in politics for liberals like Weiner, but not for those who, like Grayson, authorize Breitbart-style video hackjobs.

314 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:16:33pm

re: #311 engineer dog

Sic transit gloria mundi

or, 'that's how Gloria gets to work on Mondays"

i had a big crush on Atia

SMACK!

315 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:17:23pm

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Joe Miller of Alaska is in a think tank? Does he have to think every day?

Actually, I think he's running a PAC or similar astroturf group.

I am not giving him the time & respect to google the point.

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:17:52pm

Boy. My heart is still racing after that Virginia Tech and the Bama games.

317 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:18:31pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy. My heart is still racing after that Virginia Tech and the Bama games.

Why ,,, they were both over after about 20 minutes!

318 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:19:04pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LSU/ Alabama

for the NCAA championship

319 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:20:27pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy. My heart is still racing after that Virginia Tech and the Bama games.

Lol.

320 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:21:36pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I know. I've seen it happen, in the same way that Alan Grayson is trying to make a comeback next year. Between Grayson and Weiner, though, I'd much prefer if Weiner was able to make a comeback. There ought to be a place in politics for liberals like Weiner, but not for those who, like Grayson, authorize Breitbart-style video hackjobs.

How generous of you to acknowledge that urban liberals deserve a voice too.

Weiner will probably come back, just as Spitzer and Mark Sanford have.

The only one who probably won't make a comeback soon is John Edwards, whose wife was so well liked that he won't be forgiven soon. Unlike Newt, who did the exact same thing, but a long time ago to someone who was unknown. I guess Mark Foley may have a tough time making a comeback; indiscretions with underage boys usually turn the public off for good.

321 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:22:45pm

re: #318 sattv4u2

LSU/ Alabama

for the NCAA championship

Great, we already saw that. A snooze of a field goal fest. 9-6? That's a baseball score.

322 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:23:42pm

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Joe Miller of Alaska is in a think tank? Does he have to think every day?

I miss his beard. It conveyed a sense of seriousness and functional alcoholism at the same time.

323 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:24:03pm

re: #321 palomino

Great, we already saw that. A snooze of a field goal fest. 9-6? That's a baseball score.

What team is better than either of them?

The game should pit the two best teams in the country,, and BTW ,,, that game was ANYTHING but a "snooze"

There were great plays on both sides of the ball by both teams

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:25:18pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

LSU vs. ACC Champ.

I'm just sayin'.

325 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:25:36pm

re: #320 palomino

indiscretions with underage boys usually turn the public off for good.

How soon we forget

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

326 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:26:19pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LSU vs. ACC Champ.

I'm just sayin'.

8 times out of 10, on a neutral field, Alabama beats anyone from the ACC

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:27:17pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

Probably.

LSU dun beat them tho. Howsabout new cannon fodder?

328 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:27:18pm

re: #320 palomino

How generous of you to acknowledge that urban liberals deserve a voice too.

Weiner will probably come back, just as Spitzer and Mark Sanford have.

The only one who probably won't make a comeback soon is John Edwards, whose wife was so well liked that he won't be forgiven soon. Unlike Newt, who did the exact same thing, but a long time ago to someone who was unknown. I guess Mark Foley may have a tough time making a comeback; indiscretions with underage boys usually turn the public off for good.

I wasn't trying to be condescending. I was trying to draw a distinction between Weiner's act of weakness and Grayson's act of malice. I put that bolded part in to make it clear I wasn't attacking liberalism.

BBL

329 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:29:59pm

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Probably.

LSU dun beat them tho. Howsabout new cannon fodder?

Yes,, but they gave LSU the toughest game they had all year

The only other school that even came close was Miss State near the start of the year

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:30:54pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy. My heart is still racing after that Virginia Tech and the Bama games.

How's that for the butchering of the grammar?

331 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:30:54pm

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #329 sattv4u2

Yes,, but they gave LSU the toughest game they had all year

The only other school that even came close was Miss State near the start of the year

((lets not forget it went to overtime))

332 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:31:14pm

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

I miss his beard. It conveyed a sense of seriousness and functional alcoholism at the same time.

Bogart with a beard. (And an escort of storm troopers.)

333 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:31:18pm

re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How's that for the butchering of the grammar?

Looks okay good to me too!!

334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:32:25pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

Yes,, but they gave LSU the toughest game they had all year

The only other school that even came close was Miss State near the start of the year

Yeah. But there (hokie) are some other (hokie) good teams out there who'd like a (hokie) shot.

(hokie)

335 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:33:57pm

re: #332 jvic

Bogart with a beard. (And an escort of storm troopers.)

Ya, his escorts got busted as a militia with plans to bomb the FBI or something. Aah Alaska.

336 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:35:21pm

re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. But there (hokie) are some other (hokie) good teams out there who'd like a (hokie) shot.

(hokie)

Beating Clemson, Ga Tech and Virginia doesn't have the same panache as Alabama beating Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, Auburn and losing to #1 LSU by 3 in OT

337 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:35:53pm

re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #336 sattv4u2

Beating Clemson, Ga Tech and Virginia doesn't have the same panache as Alabama beating Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, Auburn and losing to #1 LSU by 3 in OT

Doesn't mean I don't wub ya, man!!@

338 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:37:09pm

I need chocolate

I don't HAVE chocolate

I's has the sads!!!

339 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:39:02pm

re: #325 sattv4u2


indiscretions with underage boys usually turn the public off for good.

How soon we forget

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Age of consent in D.C. is 16, which is probably why the term "underage" doesn't appear in that article.

340 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:39:43pm

beautiful crescent moon with Venus next door

341 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:40:20pm

hehehe ,,, The closed captioner doing the womens college volleyball game we're doing just wrote CRETIN (the school thats playing is Creighton)

342 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:40:33pm

re: #340 albusteve

beautiful crescent moon with Venus next door

Creeping Sharia sky.

343 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:41:04pm

re: #339 goddamnedfrank

Age of consent in D.C. is 16, which is probably why the term "underage" doesn't appear in that article.

Yeah ,, silly me ,, he was really a paragon of virtue!

344 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:42:27pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

Creeping Sharia sky.

probably a liberal plot to gawk, then enslave us

345 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:44:35pm

re: #340 albusteve

beautiful crescent moon with Venus next door

Partially overcast here in Atlanta right now

The moon is behind the "partially" at the moment

346 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:46:02pm

re: #344 albusteve

probably a liberal plot to gawk, then enslave us

No joy here--sky is broken clouds.

(Went to check, found our door double-locked. A daughter down from Birmingham had locked it reflexively.)

347 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:47:01pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

No joy here--sky is broken clouds.

(Went to check, found our door double-locked. A daughter down from Birmingham had locked it reflexively.)

I ain't fixin it!

348 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:47:10pm

re: #343 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, silly me ,, he was really a paragon of virtue!

Don't move the goalpost. He acknowledged what he did was wrong, especially with regards to the subordinate relationship, and accepted his censure. However there's no evidence that he pursued underage kids like Foley did, therefore it's rather disingenuous to equate the two that way.

349 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:47:42pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

No joy here--sky is broken clouds.

(Went to check, found our door double-locked. A daughter down from Birmingham had locked it reflexively.)

To keep people out ,,,, or in !?!?!

350 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:48:29pm

re: #348 goddamnedfrank

Don't move the goalpost. He acknowledged what he did was wrong, especially with regards to the subordinate relationship, and accepted his censure. However there's no evidence that he pursued underage kids like Foley did, therefore it's rather disingenuous to equate the two that way.

Well then,,,, that makes it all okei dokey!

351 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:49:50pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

No joy here--sky is broken clouds.

(Went to check, found our door double-locked. A daughter down from Birmingham had locked it reflexively.)

it's pretty cool with a lot of orange sunset light to illuminate them....probably a desert thing

352 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:51:16pm

re: #335 Stanley Sea

Ya, his escorts got busted as a militia with plans to bomb the FBI or something. Aah Alaska.

There was a story about Alaskan militia getting busted, but I hadn't heard that wrt Miller. What I had heard was that:

a. Miller's security detail detained and handcuffed a reporter that was trying to interview him.

b. When active-duty military were discovered on Miller's escort, he didn't have a problem with it.

353 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:52:06pm

re: #351 albusteve

it's pretty cool with a lot of orange sunset light to illuminate them...probably a desert thing

Ah--probably already set here.

354 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:57:27pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

3 in 69? That's too many!

Just fact-checked myself. Although it's often called "Year of the Three Emperors", there seems to have been as many as 5. Re-arrange your manage as appropriate.

[Link: www.ancient-warfare.org...]

355 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:58:27pm

re: #354 Decatur Deb

Just fact-checked myself. Although it's often called "Year of the Three Emperors", there seems to have been as many as 5. Re-arrange your manage as appropriate.

[Link: www.ancient-warfare.org...]

How many before we can officially have a circle??

356 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 4:59:47pm

re: #352 jvic

There was a story about Alaskan militia getting busted, but I hadn't heard that wrt Miller. What I had heard was that:

a. Miller's security detail detained and handcuffed a reporter that was trying to interview him.

b. When active-duty military were discovered on Miller's escort, he didn't have a problem with it.

Different group, heh. But the militia dudes marched in a parade with Miller, with their badassed guns etc. There's a link.

357 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:02:42pm

re: #352 jvic

[Link: open.salon.com...]

358 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:02:55pm

re: #356 Stanley Sea

Different group, heh. But the militia dudes marched in a parade with Miller, with their badassed guns etc. There's a link.

I read it as different, but the group that backed Miller was very much into coordinating with militia groups across Alaska, setting up geographic and task areas of interest.

359 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:04:52pm

re: #358 Decatur Deb

I read it as different, but the group that backed Miller was very much into coordinating with militia groups across Alaska, setting up geographic and task areas of interest.

Ah Alaska, the secessionists are all buds I'm sure. Shaffer Cox, all 24 hrs old seems like a crazy.

360 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:05:38pm

now THIS is how you blog comment [Link: gawker.com...]

361 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:06:07pm

re: #354 Decatur Deb

Just fact-checked myself. Although it's often called "Year of the Three Emperors", there seems to have been as many as 5. Re-arrange your manage as appropriate.

[Link: www.ancient-warfare.org...]

A good old Roman ... collective time-spending.

362 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:14:07pm

re: #361 Sergey Romanov

A good old Roman ... collective time-spending.

at the vomitorium


{burp}

/

363 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:15:40pm

re: #360 WindUpBird

now THIS is how you blog comment [Link: gawker.com...]

Related video:

[Link: mashable.com...]

364 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:16:15pm

1. Re Studds:

Studds Gets Standing Ovations At First Meeting Since Censure
The Washington Post (1974-Current file) - Washington, D.C.
Author: By Sandra Evans Teeley Washington Post Staff
Date: Aug 12, 1983

MARTHA'S VINEYARD, Aug. 11 -- Rep. Gerry E. Studds (D-Mass.) was greeted in this secluded resort tonight with two standing ovations from several hundred residents and summer visitors who turned out for the congressman's first town meeting since he was censured by his House colleagues for sexual misconduct with a 17-year-old male page.

2. He was reelected handily after the censure, and afaik the seat was his for as long as he wanted it.

3. How oh how did paragons of morality like the American Peepul come to be represented in Congress by so many shady hacks, hmmm?

4. Speaking of paragons of morality, Sarah Palin endorsed Joe Miller after a lot of the stuff on him came out.

365 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:18:04pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

What team is better than either of them?

The game should pit the two best teams in the country,, and BTW ,,, that game was ANYTHING but a "snooze"

There were great plays on both sides of the ball by both teams

No team is better than either of them, that's the problem. So we get to see a rematch of a boring game. Woo hoo. Great defenses, lame boring offenses. Three yards and a cloud of dust. They play like it's the 60's. I'd rather see points scored than a couple of field goals.

366 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:19:13pm

re: #364 jvic

We re-elect our reprobates over and over again, then lament the level of governance we get

The entire "Throw them all out" sentiment is all well and fine, till you talk to many people, who will then state ",, but not MY guy ,,, MY guy is doing a good job,,,,"

367 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:20:54pm

re: #325 sattv4u2


indiscretions with underage boys usually turn the public off for good.

How soon we forget

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Age of consent in MA is 16. Notice I used the term usually. If you think Mark Foley's gonna make a comeback, make your case.

368 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:22:19pm

re: #343 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, silly me ,, he was really a paragon of virtue!

He's got virtue all over your party's probable nominee, the fat old guy from good ole Georgia.

369 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:22:51pm

re: #365 palomino

No team is better than either of them, that's the problem. So we get to see a rematch of a boring game. Woo hoo. Great defenses, lame boring offenses. Three yards and a cloud of dust. They play like it's the 60's. I'd rather see points scored than a couple of field goals.

But thats the point It WASN'T "three yards and a cloud of dust"

Alabama threw for 200 yards ,,, over 7 per pass ,, LSU averaged over 5 yards a carry

The defenses just held when they needed too

370 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:23:07pm

re: #367 palomino

Age of consent in MA is 16. Notice I used the term usually. If you think Mark Foley's gonna make a comeback, make your case.

just need to market yourself effectively...if Ted Kennedy can do it, anybody can

371 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:23:15pm

re: #368 palomino

He's got virtue all over your party's probable nominee, the fat old guy from good ole Georgia.

"my party"

!?!?!?!

372 wilburs  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:23:41pm

re: #360 WindUpBird

now THIS is how you blog comment [Link: gawker.com...]

The term "gunt" made me laugh uproariously
I don't have much class

373 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:24:16pm

re: #367 palomino

Age of consent in MA is 16. Notice I used the term usually. If you think Mark Foley's gonna make a comeback, make your case.

Where did I even mention him ,, AND ,,, if I did ,,, iirc,, he was thrown out for e-mailing kids ,,, no physical contact

374 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:25:22pm

re: #367 palomino

re: #373 sattv4u2

Where did I even mention him ,, AND ,,, if I did ,,, iirc,, he was thrown out for e-mailing kids ,,, no physical contact

and rightfully so, I may add

375 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:27:55pm

re: #369 sattv4u2

But thats the point It WASN'T "three yards and a cloud of dust"

Alabama threw for 200 yards ,,, over 7 per pass ,, LSU averaged over 5 yards a carry

The defenses just held when they needed too

200 yards passing is nothing in today's college football. Geez, UH averages over 500 yards of offense per game, 400+ coming thru the air. I just don't like low scoring football the same way I don't like pitcher's duels in baseball. Call me a non-purist. I think sports, like everything else, should evolve.

Alabama is ranked 73rd in passing O; LSU an even worse 101st. Sounds likely to be another dull game. But yeah, their D's are great. woo hoo.

376 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:28:13pm

LA cops are idiots if they try to clear OWS tonight. Portland police had it right, let them have their party. By 2 AM the hippies will declare victory, by 11 am most of the hippies will go home and then the cops can come in and clean out the park without major incidents.

377 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:28:45pm

re: #367 palomino

Age of consent in MA is 16. Notice I used the term usually. If you think Mark Foley's gonna make a comeback, make your case.

oh , and btw ,,, Mass age of consent IS 16 ,,, as long as they're not a virgin

"Whoever induces any person under 18 years of age of chaste life to have unlawful sexual intercourse shall be punished." MGL 272-4

378 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:29:47pm

re: #370 albusteve

just need to market yourself effectively...if Ted Kennedy can do it, anybody can

Foley left too much of a paper trail with all his emails and tweets. Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe he can do a big mea culpa "I've changed" sob story starting with the Ellens and Anderson Coopers of the daytime TV world. I guess I wouldn't count him out of some career, but getting re-elected is gonna be tough.

379 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:29:57pm

re: #375 palomino

But yeah, their D's are great. woo hoo.

So LSU vs ???

And the score will be LSU 35,, whoever, 3 !!

Yawn !!

380 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:30:17pm

David Frum: In the Republican race, it’s Romney, Huntsman or bust

Any other nominee would gravely test my commitment to the political party I’ve supported since I entered the United States as a college student in the fall of 1978.

Heh.

381 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:31:25pm

re: #373 sattv4u2

Where did I even mention him ,, AND ,,, if I did ,,, iirc,, he was thrown out for e-mailing kids ,,, no physical contact

Studds was your D counterpoint to my mention of R Foley.

382 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:33:01pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

David Frum: In the Republican race, it’s Romney, Huntsman or bust

Any other nominee would gravely test my commitment to the political party I’ve supported since I entered the United States as a college student in the fall of 1978.

Heh.

Are those his fingernails he's hanging on by, or is he down to the bone?

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:33:24pm

re: #311 engineer dog

Sic transit gloria mundi

or, 'that's how Gloria gets to work on Mondays"

i had a big crush on Atia

If you like hot and evil, she's definitely all of that.

I love the scenes later on when she's appalled by how cold-blooded Augustus turns out. Uh, lady, you raised him. To be just like that.

384 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:33:27pm

re: #381 palomino

Studds was your D counterpoint to my mention of R Foley.

And Foley was thrown out

And Studds was thrown ,,, a party!!
// (kinda)

was greeted in this secluded resort tonight with two standing ovations from several hundred residents and summer visitors who turned out for the congressman's first town meeting since he was censured

385 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:34:12pm

Notice how a lot of usual folks have bailed?

386 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:34:16pm

re: #378 palomino

Foley left too much of a paper trail with all his emails and tweets. Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe he can do a big mea culpa "I've changed" sob story starting with the Ellens and Anderson Coopers of the daytime TV world. I guess I wouldn't count him out of some career, but getting re-elected is gonna be tough.

he doesn't have to get elected to anything to re-emerge as a player...his background will mean little on K Street for example...guys like Foley are like dogs...they pack up and sniff each other all day...on your dime

387 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:34:17pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

David Frum: In the Republican race, it’s Romney, Huntsman or bust

Heh.

Because the others are either woefully ignorant (Perry, Cain) or radical near lunatics (Bachmann, Gingrich). Frum has finally realized what Charles did a couple years back: his party's going off the rails on a far right crazy train.

388 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:34:39pm

re: #382 wrenchwench

Heh.

Are those his fingernails he's hanging on by, or is he down to the bone?

He's down to bloody stumps at this point.

389 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:34:47pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

LA cops are idiots if they try to clear OWS tonight. Portland police had it right, let them have their party. By 2 AM the hippies will declare victory, by 11 am most of the hippies will go home and then the cops can come in and clean out the park without major incidents.


Rumor has it Sunday night-Midnight.

390 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:34:54pm

re: #385 Stanley Sea

Notice how a lot of usual folks have bailed?

From this thread

Or from this blog??

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:35:34pm

re: #339 goddamnedfrank

Age of consent in D.C. is 16, which is probably why the term "underage" doesn't appear in that article.

Not what one would call classy, however.

392 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:35:53pm

re: #384 sattv4u2

And Foley was thrown out

And Studds was thrown ,,, a party!!
// (kinda)

was greeted in this secluded resort tonight with two standing ovations from several hundred residents and summer visitors who turned out for the congressman's first town meeting since he was censured

Probably the diff between age of consent and underage had something to do with it. Either that or else Dems just love sex criminals while Republicans always throw them out (except for Craig, Vitter, et al.)

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:36:27pm

re: #341 sattv4u2

hehehe ,,, The closed captioner doing the womens college volleyball game we're doing just wrote CRETIN (the school thats playing is Creighton)

Have they ever hosted the hung Aryan swim team?

(I feel for closed captioners. You're working so fast.)

394 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:36:50pm

re: #389 Rightwingconspirator


Rumor has it Sunday night-Midnight.

My bad. Long holiday weekend has me confused. I thought this was Sunday.

395 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:36:57pm

re: #392 palomino

Probably the diff between age of consent and underage had something to do with it. Either that or else Dems just love sex criminals while Republicans always throw them out (except for Craig, Vitter, et al.)

Yeah ,, because thats exactly what I said

((except for the part where I didn't))

396 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:37:08pm

re: #385 Stanley Sea

Notice how a lot of usual folks have bailed?

maybe it's the holidays.

What's your take on it?

397 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:38:45pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

Have they ever hosted the hung Aryan swim team?

(I feel for closed captioners. You're working so fast.)

heh,,, the things I see on live events

I do NOT envy their jobs ,,,, hours after hours during (lets say) a game, where they can at times barely hear the announcers over either the crowd noise or two or three in the booth talking over each other!!

398 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:39:19pm

re: #395 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, because thats exactly what I said

((except for the part where I didn't))

I'm still trying to process your contention that 200 yards is a lot of passing in college football. LOL.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:39:45pm

There's one bulb out on the tree that is fucking up the whole thing.

Wife refuses to decorate it until I get it lit properly.

Come by our house and look at our lights on Christmas Eve. Our artificial tree will have no top, no ornaments, 5/6ths of its lights and me; curled up in a fetal position around the base of the tree acting as the skirt.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:39:52pm

re: #360 WindUpBird

now THIS is how you blog comment [Link: gawker.com...]

You know, the tragedy is, no matter how cheap the waffle iron, what are the odds that any of those people (or those they give the waffle irons to), will actually make waffles more than once or twice?

401 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:40:07pm

re: #398 palomino

I'm still trying to process your contention that 200 yards is a lot of passing in college football. LOL.

Pay attention

IN THAT GAME ,,, from your comment that it was 3 yards and a cloud of dust

402 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:40:38pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

My bad. Long holiday weekend has me confused. I thought this was Sunday.

And this...

As a collective, Occupy Los Angeles would like to express their rejection of the City of Los Angeles’ alleged proposal that we leave City Hall by November 28th, 2011, in exchange for an apparently now rescinded offer of a 10,000 square foot building, farmland and 100 SRO beds for the homeless.

403 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:40:52pm

re: #385 Stanley Sea

Notice how a lot of usual folks have bailed?

are you the rear guard?...actually I hadn't noticed...what do you mean bailed?...off to their own bitchfest eslewhere?

404 Lidane  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:41:10pm

re: #382 wrenchwench

Heh.

Are those his fingernails he's hanging on by, or is he down to the bone?

Pfft. He's down to wishful thinking. Huntsman would have a better chance if he ran as a Blue Dog Democrat and the GOP base is desperate to nominate anyone that isn't Mitt Romney.

405 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:42:40pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

Have they ever hosted the hung Aryan swim team?

(I feel for closed captioners. You're working so fast.)

Is that a rudder in your swim trunks, or are you just happy to see me

406 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:44:07pm

re: #404 Lidane

Are those his fingernails he's hanging on by, or is he down to the bone?

Pfft. He's down to wishful thinking. Huntsman would have a better chance if he ran as a Blue Dog Democrat and the GOP base is desperate to nominate anyone that isn't Mitt Romney.

I was told today that Gary Johnson is considering a run as a Libertarian. (It's perfectly OK to say "Who?" at this point.) He's pissed at being left out of so many debates.

I think that would be great.

407 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:44:52pm

Posting on LGF with an iPhone sucks. But it's better than shopping.

No pepper spray or crazy crowds at the Target in Hilo, HI.

408 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:46:20pm

re: #401 sattv4u2

Pay attention

IN THAT GAME ,,, from your comment that it was 3 yards and a cloud of dust

3 yards and a cloud of dust is an old saying for boring football. And 200 yards of passing just ain't much in today's college football. For a lot of teams, that's an average HALF a game.

In the LSU-Bama game both teams had more rushing than passing attempts. That's very old school football. Doesn't even exist in the NFL anymore (except when Tebow plays) and is also receding from the college scene. And 7 yards per pass is nothing special--barely average. For LSU, a whopping 41 rushes to 17 passes. Bear Bryant would have been proud. Yawn.

409 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:47:56pm

Bobby McFerrin hacks your brain with music

410 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:48:10pm

re: #408 palomino

3 yards and a cloud of dust is an old saying for boring football. And 200 yards of passing just ain't much in today's college football. For a lot of teams, that's an average HALF a game.

In the LSU-Bama game both teams had more rushing than passing attempts. That's very old school football. Doesn't even exist in the NFL anymore (except when Tebow plays) and is also receding from the college scene. And 7 yards per pass is nothing special--barely average. For LSU, a whopping 41 rushes to 17 passes. Bear Bryant would have been proud. Yawn.

on football, of you can run the ball effectively, that's what you do...passing yards are irrelevant when you move the chains

411 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:49:11pm

re: #408 palomino

3 yards and a cloud of dust is an old saying for boring football

I'm well aware of the saying ,, and it's not about "boring football". It's about keeping the ball. As Woody Hayes stated "Three things can happen when you pass the ball and two of them are bad".

412 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:49:37pm

re: #385 Stanley Sea

Notice how a lot of usual folks have bailed?

I was just doing a double take at the contrast between the launch video of the Mars mission...then back to the squalor of politics as usual.

413 EdDantes  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:50:30pm

"Despite Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly’s assurance that this harmless vegetable mist is a “food product”, I found it wholly unsuitable for eating."

Megyn Kelly is an idiot!

414 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:50:38pm

re: #385 Stanley Sea

Notice how a lot of usual folks have bailed?

re: #412 jvic

Does that mean the UNusual ones are here !?!?!?!

//

415 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:50:59pm

running the ball protects it, moves the chains and burns up the clock...all coaches from PeeWee to the pro's want a solid running game

416 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:53:26pm

Hi Lizardia! Checking in from Toronto!

417 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:53:29pm

re: #408 palomino

So ,, as asked,,, who would you like to see LSU (presuming they win the SEC champ game) play in the BCS title game?

418 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:53:34pm

re: #404 Lidane

Are those his fingernails he's hanging on by, or is he down to the bone?

Pfft. He's down to wishful thinking. Huntsman would have a better chance if he ran as a Blue Dog Democrat and the GOP base is desperate to nominate anyone that isn't Mitt Romney.

Huntsman is actually a pretty conservative guy. It's just that he doesn't seem angry about it, as most of his gop opponents do. He doesn't use overcharged rhetoric to demonize Obama, unlike his gop opponents. And he actually believes in things like science. So he stands out from the crowd. Unfortunately to the gop he's poison due to his constructive working relationship with the Obama admin.

Romney's the gop best hope to beat Obama. I'd make him the favorite to win the general in betting terms. Gingrich, as we all know, is a loose undisciplined bomb thrower with more baggage than a jumbo jet. Earlier this week he proposed firing adult working class employess, and repealing child labor laws in order to hire children to take their place. That kind of bizarre rhetoric, coupled with an unlikeable personality, makes winning a national election difficult. Not impossible, but very hard.

419 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:53:42pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, the tragedy is, no matter how cheap the waffle iron, what are the odds that any of those people (or those they give the waffle irons to), will actually make waffles more than once or twice?

Love some waffles. This is about the world's best iron--works over a campfire.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

420 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:53:50pm

re: #416 Alouette

Hi Lizardia! Checking in from Toronto!

Thats like ,, another COUNTRY ,, huh !?!?!

421 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:55:42pm

re: #420 sattv4u2

Thats like ,, another COUNTRY ,, huh !?!?!

They have different colored money here! And dollar coins!

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:55:57pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

So ,, as asked,,, who would you like to see LSU (presuming they win the SEC champ game) play in the BCS title game?

Since you asked... Virginia Tech.

423 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:56:46pm

re: #410 albusteve

on football, of you can run the ball effectively, that's what you do...passing yards are irrelevant when you move the chains

regardless of how you do it, everything else is irrelevant as long as you move the chains...most college football teams pass more than they throw now, and all NFL teams pass more (with the exception of DEN when Tebow plays)...i wouldn't call their resulting TD's irrelevant

424 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:56:49pm

re: #421 Alouette

They have different colored money here! And dollar coins!

When I was a teen, I spent a summer outside of Montreal playing Junior B hockey

When I went to a store, I would tell them "just tell me how many of what color I need to buy this"

425 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:56:59pm

re: #402 Rightwingconspirator

Oh crap I forgot to put in the linky.

426 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:57:00pm

re: #422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Since you asked... Virginia Tech.

Shutty!
/

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:58:35pm

re: #421 Alouette

They have different colored money here! And dollar coins!

But can you drink the water?

428 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:01:00pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

But can you drink the water?

Of course,,,, thats why everyone there is called a HOSER!!!

429 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:01:06pm

re: #411 sattv4u2

3 yards and a cloud of dust is an old saying for boring football

I'm well aware of the saying ,, and it's not about "boring football". It's about keeping the ball. As Woody Hayes stated "Three things can happen when you pass the ball and two of them are bad".

Yeah, and Woody Hayes was a deranged relic from a bygone era...pathetic old man went out in disgrace after punching an opposing player...not quite Paterno shame, but still sad.

And 2 of the 3 things that can happen when you run the ball are bad: losing yards or fumbling. It's nice for eating up clock, but so is the west coast offense when run well. It's a different game now...25 years ago nearly every team ran more than it passed, in both college and pros. Now it's the exact opposite.

430 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:01:06pm

If nobody ever left how we we go anywhere?

431 EdDantes  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:02:02pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't drink water because fish fuck in it.

432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:02:09pm

re: #426 sattv4u2

Shutty!
/

Tech is peaking now (more than anyone else I've noticed.) Logan Thomas (redshirt freshman quarterback) is Cam Newton with more speed and brains.

LSU has been peaking since the opening kick-off of the season.

However, I think LSU is three touchdowns better than anyone in the country.

433 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:02:27pm

re: #413 EdDantes

"Despite Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly’s assurance that this harmless vegetable mist is a “food product”, I found it wholly unsuitable for eating."

Megyn Kelly is an idiot!

Yeah, I guess that would make hemlock and poisonous mushrooms food products as well. Heroin and cocaine? Food products also. All made from plants, right?

434 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:03:52pm

re: #415 albusteve

running the ball protects it, moves the chains and burns up the clock...all coaches from PeeWee to the pro's want a solid running game

Yes...But the NFL offensive game has grown by leaps and bounds..
Big Tall fast Athletic receivers.. Fast slot players...Huge fast tight ends that cut over the middle or run the post..Running backs that are almost interchangeable when you zone bock well.. Coach Pat Jones says the most important calls are made by the Center who always point out the Middle Linebacker..Everyone calls out where 'Mike' is and the QB calls the play from there...( I always wondered why the Centers are always pointing at somebody..Yes there are defensive players on the other side..What the hell is up with the pointing?)
I really like the designs of the zone clearing passes from Bill Walsh..
You send one or two guys through a zone and there is nobody left to defend the next receiver..He was a genius with clearing zones..

435 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:04:09pm

re: #423 palomino

regardless of how you do it, everything else is irrelevant as long as you move the chains...most college football teams pass more than they throw now, and all NFL teams pass more (with the exception of DEN when Tebow plays)...i wouldn't call their resulting TD's irrelevant

hmmmm,,,

Two best teams in the country

LSU ,,, Passing, 2118 yards,,, Running 2590

Bama ,, Passing, 2457 yards,,,Running 2425

The best teams have balance, just like the NFL ones

436 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:04:37pm

re: #415 albusteve

running the ball protects it, moves the chains and burns up the clock...all coaches from PeeWee to the pro's want a solid running game

of course you want BOTH a solid running and passing game, but facts are facts. In the NFL, and most of college ball, there are more pass attempts than rushes, and far more yards gained through the air than on the ground. For better or worse, the game has changed significantly.

437 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:05:30pm

BBIAB

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:05:41pm

re: #436 palomino

Chicks dig the long ball.

439 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:05:41pm

I'm compiling a list of recipes for the next cookbook.

Drinking large amounts of neat alcohol and eating cakes helps at times of instense stress, but takes too long.
Make alcohol laced cakes. It's the way forward.

440 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:06:45pm

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chicks dig the long ball.

I thought they dug the long throw down field and the odd shaped ball behind a good screen

441 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:08:25pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

So ,, as asked,,, who would you like to see LSU (presuming they win the SEC champ game) play in the BCS title game?

Of course Bama and LSU deserve it, since everyone else choked in their big games...Okie State, Stanford, Oregon. But I generally don't like seeing rematches, so it won't be as exciting to me as some other potential matchups might have been.

Big question: if LSU loses to Georgia (they won't, but just hypothetically speaking), should they still play Bama in the BCS finals? Computer malfunction would probably ensue. Why not just have a playoff with 4 (or at most 8) teams?

442 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:09:51pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

Tell the truth

YOU picked the movie!

It sucked ... George Clooney garbage

443 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:11:08pm

slow in here tonight.

somebody start a fight.

444 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:11:19pm

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tech is peaking now (more than anyone else I've noticed.) Logan Thomas (redshirt freshman quarterback) is Cam Newton with more speed and brains.

LSU has been peaking since the opening kick-off of the season.

However, I think LSU is three touchdowns better than anyone in the country.

Or one FG in OT if they're playing Bama. I think Bama's boring but their D is damn good.

445 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:12:08pm

re: #441 palomino

Of course Bama and LSU deserve it, since everyone else choked in their big games...Okie State, Stanford, Oregon. But I generally don't like seeing rematches, so it won't be as exciting to me as some other potential matchups might have been.

Big question: if LSU loses to Georgia (they won't, but just hypothetically speaking), should they still play Bama in the BCS finals? Computer malfunction would probably ensue. Why not just have a playoff with 4 (or at most 8) teams?

I agree.. The last 4 teams standing have a playoff.. Everybody knows everything changes with a playoff... There is no sport in the world that doesn't have a playoff...except for College football...

446 EdDantes  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:12:39pm

re: #443 wozzablog

slow in here tonight.

somebody start a fight.

/You start a fight, bitch!

447 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:12:44pm

re: #443 wozzablog

slow in here tonight.

somebody start a fight.

Ban chocolate! *runs for cover*

///

448 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:13:05pm

re: #441 palomino

Why not just have a playoff with 4 (or at most 8) teams?

I'm for that

But you know that team #5 (or #9) will have a gripe!!

NOW ,,as far as 'if" LSU loses,,,, I still say LSU / Vs Bama

I stil think they are the two best teams regardless of 'boredom" factor

(and btw ,, I thought their 1st game was very exciting))

449 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:14:54pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Yes...But the NFL offensive game has grown by leaps and bounds..
Big Tall fast Athletic receivers.. Fast slot players...Huge fast tight ends that cut over the middle or run the post..Running backs that are almost interchangeable when you zone bock well.. Coach Pat Jones says the most important calls are made by the Center who always point out the Middle Linebacker..Everyone calls out where 'Mike' is and the QB calls the play from there...( I always wondered why the Centers are always pointing at somebody..Yes there are defensive players on the other side..What the hell is up with the pointing?)
I really like the designs of the zone clearing passes from Bill Walsh..
You send one or two guys through a zone and there is nobody left to defend the next receiver..He was a genius with clearing zones..

Exactly, it's just not the same game I watched as a kid. Think of the powerhouse Dolphins of the 70's. They had two guys rush for 1000 yards and another for 500 one season. Almost unthinkable now. Griese was a good QB, but he rarely passed more than a dozen or so times a game.

A guy like Bradshaw would have a tough time making it today. Six TD's and 24 INT's his first season. But in the old PIT style game he was pretty good.

450 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:15:20pm

re: #446 EdDantes

/You start a fight, bitch!

ohnoyoudi'nt - foo'

451 miclaine  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:16:49pm

re: #421 Alouette

They have different colored money here! And dollar coins!

We have dollar coins ...... but no one uses them!

452 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:17:09pm

re: #447 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ban chocolate! *runs for cover*

///

You had better run - whyioughta///

453 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:19:25pm

I just got no fight left in me right now. I've put it all into Skyrim today and probably will go back to playing it in a couple hours. Truly money well spent.

454 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:21:49pm

re: #453 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I just got no fight left in me right now. I've put it all into Skyrim today and probably will go back to playing it in a couple hours. Truly money well spent.

i haven't got a rig capable of playing it - thankgoodness - the only pc i have that could is running linux :p

455 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:22:44pm

re: #435 sattv4u2

hmmm,,,

Two best teams in the country

LSU ,,, Passing, 2118 yards,,, Running 2590

Bama ,, Passing, 2457 yards,,,Running 2425

The best teams have balance, just like the NFL ones

Umm, you might wanna take a look at actual NFL numbers. Most of the top teams in the league--GB, NE, DET, DAL, NO, NYG, PIT, BAL--have on average THREE times as many yards passing as rushing. Even the Jets have over twice as many yards passing. Only two teams have as many yards rushing as passing, and they both suck. College is moving in this direction as well, just a tad more slowly and with some anomalies along the way.

456 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:22:58pm

re: #419 Decatur Deb

Love some waffles. This is about the world's best iron--works over a campfire.

[Link:

457 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:23:31pm

re: #454 wozzablog

i haven't got a rig capable of playing it - thankgoodness - the only pc i have that could is running linux :p

I'm playing the Xbox edition, and it's still way above what I'm used to with Fallout, and no doubt much higher than Oblivion. Just the improvements to the AI alone has amazed me.

458 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:24:30pm

Hola, honcos and honco-ettes!
What's going on?

459 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:24:56pm

re: #457 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm playing the Xbox edition, and it's still way above what I'm used to with Fallout, and no doubt much higher than Oblivion. Just the improvements to the AI alone has amazed me.

only current gen console I got is wii.

460 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:26:07pm

SEC post-mortem.

461 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:26:18pm

re: #456 rwdflynavy

That was too jacked up to fix on a tablet.

Should have said pineapple and pepper spray as pizza toppings...discuss

Also, Hokies pulled out a squeaker tonight. Time for bed. Night Night.

462 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:26:20pm

re: #459 wozzablog

only current gen console I got is wii.

You have my pity.

/

463 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:28:21pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

Hola, honcos and honco-ettes!
What's going on?

We're trying to figure out where everyone went ,,, or didn't ,,, or who is usual,, and who is unusual ,,, and who should play LSU in the BCS champ game

In other words , WE"RE REALLY REALLY BUSY!!

464 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:28:24pm

re: #459 wozzablog

only current gen console I got is wii.

But then theres this..

a port of Skyrim to Wii is a definte maybe./

[Link: wiiu.nintendolife.com...]

465 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:28:46pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

Hola, honcos and honco-ettes!
What's going on?

Happy Saturday from RW/LW conspirator central. Rib eye roast seared then cooking in wine, caramelized onions and wine to drink.

466 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:29:41pm

re: #449 palomino

Exactly, it's just not the same game I watched as a kid. Think of the powerhouse Dolphins of the 70's. They had two guys rush for 1000 yards and another for 500 one season. Almost unthinkable now. Griese was a good QB, but he rarely passed more than a dozen or so times a game.

A guy like Bradshaw would have a tough time making it today. Six TD's and 24 INT's his first season. But in the old PIT style game he was pretty good.

the passing game is more prolific now that ever...rule changes and the rise of huge, fast wideouts demands more vertical passing...hence O lines have become behemouth and passing is the new running...QB records have been shattered, not because Brees is a better QB than Staubach was...red zone offenses are far more complex than 30 years ago...4 and even 5 receivers at first and goal...the game is much faster, the rules favor the pass game and systems have just morphed with it...but non of that means shit if you cannot play action, cannot run screens out of the backfield or cannot slam the ball for a couple of yards....you MUST have an effective running game or the glamorous big play stuff will not be effective....it's not about yards, it's about carries to keep the D back to open up the middle of the field...elementary football

467 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:30:03pm

re: #465 Rightwingconspirator

Happy Saturday from RW/LW conspirator central. Rib eye roast seared then cooking in wine, caramelized onions and wine to drink.

I fully endorse dousing things with alcohol, and then eating them. It's my new thing.

468 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:30:37pm

re: #463 sattv4u2

We're trying to figure out where everyone went ,,, or didn't ,,, or who is usual,, and who is unusual ,,, and who should play LSU in the BCS champ game

In other words , WE"RE REALLY REALLY BUSY!!

Oh - is LSU going to be in the BCS championship game? Why - I had no clue!


re: #465 Rightwingconspirator

Happy Saturday from RW/LW conspirator central. Rib eye roast seared then cooking in wine, caramelized onions and wine to drink.

Sounds yummy! We had broiled tilapia with shrimp - I'm so glad the Roi will cook for me!

469 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:32:09pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

Why not just have a playoff with 4 (or at most 8) teams?

I'm for that

But you know that team #5 (or #9) will have a gripe!!

NOW ,,as far as 'if" LSU loses,,, I still say LSU / Vs Bama

I stil think they are the two best teams regardless of 'boredom" factor

(and btw ,, I thought their 1st game was very exciting))

Give the top 4 teams a bye week.

Have 5 through 12 play a game, seeded like March Madness.

That way you could include a team like Houston, who went undefeated (to date) -- their opponents were a combined 61-80 this year.

All the top 10 teams would be included, as well as anybody who might have gone undefeated by beating up on East Creampuff University.

Sure, #13 gets left out, but if you can't break into the top 12, you're not really "left out."

470 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:32:19pm

re: #463 sattv4u2

We're trying to figure out where everyone went ,,, or didn't ,,, or who is usual,, and who is unusual ,,, and who should play LSU in the BCS champ game

In other words , WE"RE REALLY REALLY BUSY!!

And who went where? Or didn't? And why are we worried about who is usual? Or not?

471 EdDantes  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:32:31pm

re: #449 palomino

Rules have changed over the years to favor passing. I think the quarterbacks of the 70's would adjust and pass more.

472 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:33:36pm

re: #455 palomino

Umm, you might wanna take a look at actual NFL numbers.

You're correct when it comes to yards, but i meant balance in number of plays. Running 50% (+/-) plays keeps the defenses honest. Thats what the NFL coaches are looking for

473 jvic  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:34:26pm

re: #461 rwdflynavy

Should have said pineapple and pepper spray as pizza toppings...discuss

If properly manufactured and advertised, spray-on pepper spice might be a viable novelty product.

474 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:34:52pm

re: #470 reine.de.tout

And who went where? Or didn't? And why are we worried about who is usual? Or not?

I ain't (worried)

Someone was (worried)

Don't know why (concerned!!)

475 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:36:08pm

re: #474 sattv4u2

I ain't (worried)

Someone was (worried)

Don't know why (concerned!!)

I think the great OWS debates blew a few people away...like, so what?

476 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:38:23pm

re: #475 albusteve

I think the great OWS debates blew a few people away...like, so what?

Issues like that to me are like waiting for a bus

If the one thats here isn't the one I want ,, just wait awhile and one that I do want will be along shortly

Why moan about the one I don't want???

477 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:38:42pm

re: #470 reine.de.tout

And who went where? Or didn't? And why are we worried about who is usual? Or not?

I so wanted a LSU vs Oklahoma for a national championship...

478 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:39:57pm

re: #477 HoosierHoops

I so wanted a LSU vs Oklahoma for a national championship...

I know you did! Looked for a minute like it might happen - now looks like it won't.

Honestly? I do believe we'd love to beat Saban again.

479 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:41:03pm

re: #473 jvic

If properly manufactured and advertised, spray-on pepper spice might be a viable novelty product.

OR ,,, we have [Link: www.thespicegirls.com...]

480 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:41:21pm

MU won!! Woot!

481 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:42:13pm

re: #480 prairiefire

MU won!! Woot!

MU WHO!!!

482 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:42:59pm

re: #476 sattv4u2

Issues like that to me are like waiting for a bus

If the one thats here isn't the one I want ,, just wait awhile and one that I do want will be along shortly

Why moan about the one I don't want???

butthurt is a powerful motivator

483 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:44:01pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

Hola, honcos and honco-ettes!
What's going on?

I'm making Chicken Savannah!

484 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:44:23pm

re: #478 reine.de.tout

I know you did! Looked for a minute like it might happen - now looks like it won't.

Honestly? I do believe we'd love to beat Saban again.

Go LSU! With OU out of it I'm rooting for LSU to win....Good Luck!
Norman is a heartbroken town.. I feel bad for the state...But hey..I'm a Colts Fan..So get over it..We won't win a game this year..
/Nice to see you reine

485 sattv4u2  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:45:24pm

And on that note

The long quiet drive home beckons!!

486 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:46:33pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Go LSU! With OU out of it I'm rooting for LSU to win...Good Luck!
Norman is a heartbroken town.. I feel bad for the state...But hey..I'm a Colts Fan..So get over it..We won't win a game this year..
/Nice to see you reine

OU will be back...MI has been pathetic for a few years now...they are 10-2 and rolling...
wax on, wax off

487 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:46:52pm

re: #481 sattv4u2

MU WHO!!!

This one:[Link: ky3.upickem.net...]

Now that MU is in the SouthEast conference, will they ever play KU again?

488 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:47:08pm

re: #466 albusteve

Of course balance is the ideal. And if you can't do one or the other, NFL D's will stack the box or play the nickel and you're screwed. But take a look at GB: 3400 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing. Same with NO. And they're pretty successful despite these unbalanced numbers.

489 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:47:49pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Go LSU! With OU out of it I'm rooting for LSU to win...Good Luck!
Norman is a heartbroken town.. I feel bad for the state...But hey..I'm a Colts Fan..So get over it..We won't win a game this year..
/Nice to see you reine

Yes! But hoops, you need to learn the lingo.
It's "Geaux Tigers". What's this "go"?

490 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:49:36pm

re: #487 prairiefire

This one:[Link: ky3.upickem.net...]

Now that MU is in the SouthEast conference, will they ever play KU again?

I don't we will ever see it...Maybe the grandkids.. A rivalry that started around the Civil war is disposed of by money..

491 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:49:49pm

re: #488 palomino

Of course balance is the ideal. And if you can't do one or the other, NFL D's will stack the box or play the nickel and you're screwed. But take a look at GB: 3400 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing. Same with NO. And they're pretty successful despite these unbalanced numbers.

yeah and they have world class QBs and coaching...nice luxury
you dance with who brung ya

492 darthstar  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:50:58pm

That was hilarious.

493 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:53:40pm

re: #471 EdDantes

Rules have changed over the years to favor passing. I think the quarterbacks of the 70's would adjust and pass more.

Oh sure, I'm not saying QB's sucked back then. The real point is that coaching philosophy has changed. And now QB's are asked to do more. Namath, Fouts and a lot of others could do the same stuff that Brees and others do now.

494 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:55:18pm

re: #490 HoosierHoops

I don't we will ever see it...Maybe the grandkids.. A rivalry that started around the Civil war is disposed of by money..

It's a sad day. But, we won the last one!

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:57:47pm

re: #478 reine.de.tout

I know you did! Looked for a minute like it might happen - now looks like it won't.

Honestly? I do believe we'd love to beat Saban again.

Virginia Tech, baby.

496 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 6:59:23pm

re: #489 reine.de.tout

Yes! But hoops, you need to learn the lingo.
It's "Geaux Tigers". What's this "go"?

I'm still learning how to speak Oklahoma...
I still despise the greeting here.. Ya.doing OK?
From the first day going through security to the Coffee pot chatter..
My first reflex is to say what's it to you? I don't even know you..As I bite my tongue.. Hey you doing OK? Grrrr..
LOL

497 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:01:12pm

re: #493 palomino

Oh sure, I'm not saying QB's sucked back then. The real point is that coaching philosophy has changed. And now QB's are asked to do more. Namath, Fouts and a lot of others could do the same stuff that Brees and others do now.

when Walsh put up the west coast offense, he had three things...a smart mobile QB, who could drift around and make three reads, wideouts that would fight for the ball, as in tall, strong and fast, and fearless tight ends and slot guys...I mean fearless...and even then it took him a few years to get it right...corners were too small, inside LBs too slow, nickel and dime backs with their heads up their asses...at that point in time a QB like Steve Young could just kill you...took awhile for the league to catch up and counter with 2 deep covers and zone blitzes etc to slow it down

498 Digital Display  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:03:29pm

re: #497 albusteve

when Walsh put up the west coast offense, he had three things...a smart mobile QB, who could drift around and make three reads, wideouts that would fight for the ball, as in tall, strong and fast, and fearless tight ends and slot guys...I mean fearless...and even then it took him a few years to get it right...corners were too small, inside LBs too slow, nickel and dime backs with their heads up their asses...at that point in time a QB like Steve Young could just kill you...took awhile for the league to catch up and counter with 2 deep covers and zone blitzes etc to slow it down

Nice...And Bill Also loved a running game..Pure genius

499 albusteve  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:07:17pm

re: #498 HoosierHoops

Nice...And Bill Also loved a running game..Pure genius

yup...toss in a sturdy, tough home run hitter, like Frank Gore or Rodger Craig and you've doubled down...eventually the D has to deal with it and then you have the long ball...if not you get dinked and dunked to pieces

500 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:30:10pm

re: #472 sattv4u2

Umm, you might wanna take a look at actual NFL numbers.

You're correct when it comes to yards, but i meant balance in number of plays. Running 50% (+/-) plays keeps the defenses honest. Thats what the NFL coaches are looking for

Of course having balance is the goal. But there were very few teams back in the old days that had a 60/40 pass to run ratio, which is the norm today. It used to be the opposite, or even more extreme. (Except maybe a few teams in the AFL. Blanda threw 42 INT's one season when he played for the Houston AFL team, and his team still went 11-3.) Also very few teams amassed 3+ times as many yards through the air as on the ground. And this year many of the best teams, starting with the Pack, have exactly such a ratio.

501 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:37:39pm

re: #475 albusteve

I think the great OWS debates blew a few people away...like, so what?

People come, people go. A blog is like anything else involving a community of people. Constant change is the norm.

502 Kronocide  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:42:23pm

re: #475 albusteve

I think the great OWS debates blew a few people away...like, so what?

What 'great OWS debate?' I didn't see one. But so what.

503 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:45:31pm

re: #497 albusteve

when Walsh put up the west coast offense, he had three things...a smart mobile QB, who could drift around and make three reads, wideouts that would fight for the ball, as in tall, strong and fast, and fearless tight ends and slot guys...I mean fearless...and even then it took him a few years to get it right...corners were too small, inside LBs too slow, nickel and dime backs with their heads up their asses...at that point in time a QB like Steve Young could just kill you...took awhile for the league to catch up and counter with 2 deep covers and zone blitzes etc to slow it down

All of which to me makes the game much more exciting than what I watched as a kid. Much more complicated passing schemes, more receivers on the field on most plays. And the greats--Manning, Brees, Rodgers, a few others--can still carve up most defenses.

504 palomino  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:48:52pm

re: #502 BigPapa

What 'great OWS debate?' I didn't see one. But so what.

The whole debate was very meta. It was really more about the process of debating and the obsessiveness of some commenters than about the substance of bank malfeasance or economic injustice.

505 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Nov 26, 2011 7:49:40pm

re: #167 eclectic infidel

Smoked applewood bacon and pineapple with bacon hot sauce on an Amazona's large can really hit the spot, I tell you.

oh awesome *_*


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