Pamela Geller’s Monumental Butterball Fail Just Keeps Going

Also: Geller promotes stealth shariah creationism
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GOBBLE GOBBLE AKBAR!Yes, Pamela Geller is still at it, relentlessly ferreting out the hidden truth behind the appalling Butterball Shariah Turkey Infiltration Plot, or as she calls it: BURKABALL BUTTERBALL: ‘BACTERIAL’ KOSHER VS HOLY HALAL!!!!!! - Atlas Shrugs

I haven’t laughed this much at a fake right wing outrage since Jim Hoft’s classic Applausegate.

Today Ms. Geller is extremely upset (her normal state) about the description of kosher turkeys in Butterball’s glossary of terms on their website. It’s just more evidence that Butterball is an arm of the stealth turkey jihad, a fowl terrorist organization.

Yesterday I published the latest in the Butterball coverup of foisting halal turkeys on an unsuspecting public. After being exposed in my article in the American Thinker (all Butterball halal turkeys are ‘certfied halal’ but not labeled) the Butterball company is scrubbing their website and telling a completely different story despite repeated confirmations last week that all their whole turkeys were halal.

Their halal happy website has been scrubbed of all of their halal references but they are still in the doanloadable [sic] pdf on the Glossary of cooking terms page:

Look at the description halal vs kosher . Their biased description of Kosher turkey doesn’t sound very appetizing, salt and bacteria. Ack.

Butterball is putting Kosher turkey in a bad light compared to the description of halal. It also says under halal that the animal HAS TO BE SLAUGHTERED IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.

This story is just getting worse and worse for Butterball. Boycott Butterball for Christmas. Get the word out

Yes, by all means, get the word out! And how are Geller’s followers reacting to this latest revelation? From her comments:

Acts 15.19-20 “Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them TO ABSTAIN FROM THINGS POLLUTED BY IDOLS, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.”

Slaughtering an animal in the name of Allah is a food polluted by idols.

[…]

If ANYTHING is slaughtered in the name of allah (I say Alvin), the scripture tells us not to eat anything sacrificed to an idol.
And, allah is a DEMON.

[…]

Why do muslimes need turkeys anyway. Thanksgiving is, and always has been, an American tradition. Let them eat roasted goat or whatever c**p they enjoy!!

And from her Boycott Butterball Turkey Facebook page:

Wouldn’t praying over your food like Jesus did and in the name of Jesus cancel out all other names? I would think that praying over it in Jesus name would cancel out any and all previous so called gods because Jesus is a/the name above ALL names the Bible says…

Oooh-kay.

And that’s not the only gobbler at Geller’s website today. In her daily catalog of negative stories about Muslims, she includes an article about Islamic medical students in Britain who are boycotting lectures on evolution: MUSLIM MEDICAL STUDENTS BOYCOTTING SCIENCE CLASSES ON EVOLUTION… BECAUSE IT ‘CLASHES WITH THE KORAN!!!!!!! - Atlas Shrugs

I am surprised the headline wasn’t ‘Darwin hate speech incites Muslim extremism. The idea that they reject that which conflicts with their belief system is consistent with everything we have suffered in this war on the West. They rewrote the history on Israel and the Middle East (not to mention taking credit for “scientific inventions” invented by others) and the left swallowed it whole - let’s see where this goes.

I guess Ms. Geller forgot that she herself has been running an advertisement for years for a hardcore, utterly batshit loony young earth creationist website:

The current top post at “Dancing from Genesis” is the concisely titled: Biblical Genesis Literalism Open Letter Plea Pastors Preachers Evangelists United States America Young Earth Creationism Global Evangelism Timely Sermons Key Evangelization Science Rational Skeptics Book Genesis How Counter Darwinism Evolution Big Bang Billion Years Earth Universe Real History Atlantis Facts Ice Age Problem Noah’s Ark Viability Historicity Proofs Evidence Origins Genesis Veracity Foundation.

What do you know? Pamela Geller’s promoting the exact same anti-science mindset as the Islamic medical students she’s criticizing. Looks like Geller and radical Islamists have more in common than she thought!

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305 comments
1 AK-47%  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:09:55pm

There is a KEY difference between her creationism and Islamic crationism: one claims that OUR god created everything, the other claims that THEIR god created everything.

2 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:10:32pm

The only turkey I see around here is Pamela Geller.

I've got no problems boycotting her idiocy. My brain cells are more valuable than all that.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:14:16pm

Funny it would come from Geller's site. Maimonides considered Christianity to be idolatry, but Islam to be a form of true monotheism.

4 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:15:01pm

wow...what a cyber sleuth she is....fear her

5 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:15:18pm

"Allah is a demon" is not a Jewish belief that I have ever encountered.

6 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:15:40pm

Amazing bird. Even the outrage from a Butterball turkey provides several days worth of leftovers.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:15:59pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

Funny it would come from Geller's site. Maimonides considered Christianity to be idolatry, but Islam to be a form of true monotheism.

Maimonides was a dhimmi!

Literally!

Also, he wore a turban, so how reliable could be?

8 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:16:00pm

crazy sells, I guess!

drink up pam, make sure every leathery inch of your body is marinated in the smoky notes of Boone's Farm, it promotes eternal life

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:16:25pm

re: #5 Obdicut

"Allah is a demon" is not a Jewish belief that I have ever encountered.

Maybe it's from Diablo 2

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:16:56pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Maimonides was a dhimmi!

Literally!

Also, he wore a turban, so how reliable could be?

LOL. So true.

11 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:18:06pm
Why do muslimes need turkeys anyway. Thanksgiving is, and always has been, an American tradition. Let them eat roasted goat or whatever c**p they enjoy!!

I see Pam's readers have decided to give up on the cabrito fan vote.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:19:05pm

re: #5 Obdicut

"Allah is a demon" is not a Jewish belief that I have ever encountered.

It's not a Jewish belief at all. "Allah" is the name used for God in Arabic by both Jews and Christians.

As Sergey points out, medieval Jewish thinkers considered Islam a respectable and monotheistic religion, considering it far more theologically akin to Judaism than Christianity. Judaism and Islam have had many cultural and political problems, but there has never been any doubt that we're talking about the same deity.

Until these nutbars got involved.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:19:48pm

re: #6 jaunte

Amazing bird. Even the outrage from a Butterball turkey provides several days worth of leftovers.

Have this Internet, and some cranberry sauce.

14 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:21:22pm
Their halal-happy website has been scrubbed of all of their halal references, but they are still in the doanloadable pdf

I just got back from Toronto celebrating the brit milah (penis cutting ceremony!) of my 16th grandson named Pinchas Aaron (after my father OB"M). The little fella yelled a little, then calmed down and got happy when he got to suck on some alcohol.

Pinchas Aaron

15 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:22:10pm

"Dancing with Genesis". Only if you can work out a treatment to let Phil Collins use his drum skills effectively again.

/Not aimed at Mr. Collins, since it did sadden me to learn of the problems he's had with his hands and how he's been forced to give up drumming.

16 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:22:37pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

Funny it would come from Geller's site. Maimonides considered Christianity to be idolatry, but Islam to be a form of true monotheism.

Maimonides didn't care much for Mohammed, he called him המשוגה "The Crazy Person"

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:23:16pm

re: #14 Alouette

I just got back from Toronto celebrating the brit milah (penis cutting ceremony!) of my 16th grandson named Pinchas Aaron (after my father OB"M). The little fella yelled a little, then calmed down and got happy when he got to suck on some alcohol.

Pinchas Aaron

What a cutie. Mazal tov!

18 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:24:12pm

re: #16 Alouette

Maimonides didn't care much for Mohammed, he called him המשוגה "The Crazy Person"

Hey, that was my nickname in Hebew school!

19 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:26:01pm

re: #5 Obdicut

"Allah is a demon" is not a Jewish belief that I have ever encountered.

altho it might be true...who knows?

20 Summer Seale  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:26:02pm

I swear,

I've never seen a more Christian Fundamentalist Jewish person than Pamela Geller.

It's like a mish-mash of misunderstood everything.

It's so hard to describe. Entertaining...if hatred was ever so.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:27:46pm

re: #16 Alouette

Maimonides didn't care much for Mohammed, he called him המשוגה "The Crazy Person"

Well, he wrote worse things about Jesus, but I suppose the personality of the founders was not formally important to classify a religion as idolatry or not.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:28:05pm

re: #20 Summer

I swear,

I've never seen a more Christian Fundamentalist Jewish person than Pamela Geller.

It's like a mish-mash of misunderstood everything.

It's so hard to describe. Entertaining...if hatred was ever so.

It's mish-mash, thoroughly soaked in a half-and-half mixture of hate and alcohol.

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:28:15pm

re: #19 albusteve

altho it might be true...who knows?

You believe in demons? /

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:29:26pm

re: #14 Alouette

It's like he's saying, "Watcha doing here? I wanna ... zzzzz..." ;)

25 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:29:51pm

re: #23 Sergey Romanov

You believe in demons? /

yes...I was married to one

26 Idle Drifter  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:30:17pm
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146
German philosopher (1844 - 1900)

I have my own simple version though I might have heard or read it somewhere:
Be careful not to become what you hate.

I'm no Nietzsche but it doesn't take a genius (or philosopher) to see Geller and her ilk are no different than the Islamic fundamentalists they claim to be fighting against.

27 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:31:39pm

re: #14 Alouette

I just got back from Toronto celebrating the brit milah (penis cutting ceremony!) of my 16th grandson named Pinchas Aaron (after my father OB"M). The little fella yelled a little, then calmed down and got happy when he got to suck on some alcohol.

Pinchas Aaron

I bought myself an early Christmas present, a Marmot Plasma 30, the ferrari of ultralight sleeping bags. It's kind of like a whole body foreskin (TMI? ... probably) and also goes well with alcohol.

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:31:47pm

re: #25 albusteve

yes...I was married to one

*thinks about making a joke but deletes it*

29 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:32:53pm

When Geller first started down the road to turkey jihad, we had some people actually saying, "Do they think they're going to be contaminated or something by eating halal meat?"

Well, those comments above are the answer - yes, that's exactly what they think.

30 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:33:36pm

Arab League is being useful:

The Arab League approves sanctions against Syria, which the Syrian government called "an unprecedented measure".

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:33:52pm

re: #29 Charles

When Geller first started down the road to turkey jihad, we had some people actually saying, "Do they think they're going to be contaminated or something by eating halal meat?"

Well, those comments above are the answer - yes, that's exactly what they think.

I wish this made some sense to me. I can't quite sort it out.

32 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:34:10pm

Whoa, BB DID cave in to The Shrieking HarpieTM and removed "Halal certified" from their International page.

33 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:34:15pm

re: #28 Sergey Romanov

*thinks about making a joke but deletes it*

eventually I subdued the beast with mass doses Kenny G, and my Cabbage Patch Army for backup

34 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:35:04pm

re: #29 Charles

Her readers are going to have to be more careful with which doorknobs they touch, or which public seating they use.

35 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:36:37pm
Butterball is putting Kosher turkey in a bad light

BB has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Kosher turkeys, and I am pretty certain they also had nothing to do with composing that "glossary of cooking terms" which was probably downloaded from some other site.

36 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:37:00pm

The first sentence of that 'Dancing from Genesis' post is a spectacular ramble-on, almost worthy of the Bulwer-Lytton contest.

While the secular academic world still openly mocks the book of Genesis, laughing for instance that Noah’s Flood must have covered the Himalaya mountains with millions of animal species housed on the Ark (both notions demonstrably false), the vast majority of pastors in America passively sit by smiling meekly preaching to generously give as it shall be given unto them, admonishing their listening flocks to be salt and light in the world, yet hiding in fear of discussing what really is true history in the book of Genesis, after all, the foundational book of the Bible, this none can deny, including the scientific skeptics of course who see it as the achilles heel of christianity, its weakness to be exploited scientifically.

37 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:37:05pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I wish this made some sense to me. I can't quite sort it out.

you over estimate human intelligence...they actually believe Capt Kangaroo was a marsupial

38 Idle Drifter  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:37:12pm

re: #33 albusteve

eventually I subdued the beast with mass doses Kenny G, and my Cabbage Patch Army for backup

Cabbage Patch Kids have no souls. And neither did that talking Mickey Mouse story time reader that my sister had. Its eyes would open when my siblings and I would enter the room.

Youtube Video
39 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:38:00pm

re: #38 Idle Drifter

Cabbage Patch Kids have no souls. And neither did that talking Mickey Mouse story time reader that my sister had. Its eyes would open when my siblings and I would enter the room.

you LIE!

40 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:38:14pm

re: #36 jaunte

The first sentence of that 'Dancing from Genesis' post is a spectacular ramble-on, almost worthy of the Bulwer-Lytton contest.

There are hundreds of posts like that. This guy is a grade A kook.

41 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:39:22pm

EnRoute has kosher and halal snacks at their rest stops!

They have packages of crackers & hummus which are certified kosher & halal and that is the ONLY certified snacks at their rest stops.

But it's the camel's nose in the tent!1! Halal is taking over Canada's rest stops with their hummus crackers!

42 Idle Drifter  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:39:50pm

re: #39 albusteve

you LIE!

I was kidding about the Cabbage Patch Dolls but not the Mickey Mouse story time reader.

43 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:41:53pm

re: #42 Idle Drifter

I was kidding about the Cabbage Patch Dolls but not the Mickey Mouse story time reader.

okay then...everybody knows Mickey is not real

44 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:42:01pm

re: #6 jaunte

Amazing bird. Even the outrage from a Butterball turkey provides several days worth of leftovers.

Time to make some soup to go with the word salad.

45 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:43:02pm

re: #40 Charles

Heh. From August 2008:

Republican vp selection Sarah Palin learned to practice poise preparing to be a contestant in the Miss Alaska pageant years ago, and she was a star point guard on her high school basketball team (earning the nickname The Barracuda for her aggressive play), so Joe Biden better watch out, he’s going to encounter The Barracuda in the upcoming debates, where she will eloquently advocate for offshore drilling, lower taxes, less spending, strong defense and offense against islamic jihad, and school choice, all big winners among the majority of Americans, and she’s hot.
[Link: dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com...]

46 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:43:55pm

re: #34 jaunte

Her readers are going to have to be more careful with which doorknobs they touch, or which public seating they use.

Within a year they'll have come full circle and will be demanding segregation be reintroduced so they won't be infected by Muslim Cooties.

/I wish I was kidding.

47 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:43:59pm

re: #41 Alouette

EnRoute has kosher and halal snacks at their rest stops!

They have packages of crackers & hummus which are certified kosher & halal and that is the ONLY certified snacks at their rest stops.

But it's the camel's nose in the tent!1! Halal is taking over Canada's rest stops with their hummus crackers!

Only a matter of time until all the rest stops have prayer rooms like they do in Malaysia...

;)

48 Idle Drifter  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:44:25pm

re: #43 albusteve

okay then...everybody knows Mickey is not real

Have you seen that 47 square mile monstrosity in the middle of a Florida swamp. Mickey is real, oh so very real.

49 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:47:34pm

re: #47 oaktree

Only a matter of time until all the rest stops have prayer rooms like they do in Malaysia...

;)

They already do!

Oh wait, that's for Jews.

50 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:47:47pm

re: #45 jaunte

Heh. From August 2008:

Despite that FAIL, it still worked out well for Palin, given the amount of money she made.

51 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:48:20pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

But hot!
/

52 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:48:50pm

re: #51 jaunte

But hot!
/

Sorry, I changed the post.

53 erik_t  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:49:00pm

I've never slaughtered an animal in the name of Allah. I have, however, slaughtered animals in the name of Dinner.

54 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:49:33pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Cold cash!

55 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:53:15pm

I guess Butterball's big mistake was their

"biased description of Kosher turkey"

Perhaps they could mollify these critics by just making another entry in the glossary

Jesus Turkeys Baptized before slaughter, thus making them magically delicious

56 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:53:25pm

re: #53 erik_t

I've never slaughtered an animal in the name of Allah. I have, however, slaughtered animals in the name of Dinner.

the whole notion of killing stuff according to god is utterly ludicrous

57 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:55:41pm

re: #56 albusteve

the whole notion of killing stuff according to god is utterly ludicrous

Didn't a certain someone try to make this very point at a certain temple about 2000 years ago?

58 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:56:09pm

Ted lecture: Britta Riley: A garden in my apartment

Youtube Video

Britta Riley wanted to grow her own food (in her tiny apartment). So she and her friends developed a system for growing plants in discarded plastic bottles --

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:57:17pm

re: #55 wilburs

I guess Butterball's big mistake was their

"biased description of Kosher turkey"

Perhaps they could mollify these critics by just making another entry in the glossary

Jesus Turkeys Baptized before slaughter, thus making them magically delicious

Pam does not appear entirely clear that Butterball's business plan is about selling turkeys, not settling in the minds of the American public which form of Middle-Eastern-originating ritual food purity is the good one.

60 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:58:41pm

Genuine Kosher turkeys. [Link: www.empirekosher.com...]

61 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:59:24pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam does not appear entirely clear that Butterball's business plan is about selling turkeys, not settling in the minds of the American public which form of Middle-Eastern-originating ritual food purity is the good one.

what's ironic is that she's no less crazy than the rest of the godnuts

62 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:59:41pm

Hey!

I just saw a Huntsman commercial (aimed at NH)

The tag line was

"why haven't we heard of this guy"

good question

63 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:04:29pm

re: #62 wilburs
"why haven't we heard of this guy"

Very few people are interested in an Ivy Leaguer who speaks Mandarin.

64 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:05:59pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

Genuine Kosher turkeys. [Link: www.empirekosher.com...]

I say we compromise: We all chip in and buy 12 heritage turkeys while the turkeys are still alive. Then we ambush Pam Geller by throwing sunflower seeds on her, then let the turkeys loose on her while shouting "Run from the evil Muslim turkeys, Pam!"

/I'm kidding, I really am. but Pam Geller is such a toxic personality that one wants to just punish her. I have no intention of doing any such thing, of course.

65 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:07:46pm

PG says,

I love how they throw in Fundamentalist Christians -- they always have to qualify this Islamic supremacist totalitarianism. Christian kids aren't walking out of class -- or slaughtering non-Christians, for that matter.

Is she not aware that all but one GOP presidential candidate walked out of those classes too?

66 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:08:08pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon
In the words of "Maude" G-d will get you for that one. Some of the old sitcoms had some good lines in them. /

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:08:29pm

re: #61 albusteve

what's ironic is that she's no less crazy than the rest of the godnuts

Pam's not a godnut. Pam doesn't give a damn about religion except in the context of destroying Islam.

68 allegro  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:09:07pm

Due to work related scheduling issues, I enjoyed a late Thanksgiving with friends over the weekend with the traditional feast being consumed last night. When I got there Friday evening, they explained that they would be serving a smoked Butterball turkey. My response to that news: "OMG! Not a stealth jihad turkey! You are supporting terrorism! We're all going to DIE!"

I cannot describe the looks on their faces at hearing this news.

69 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:09:15pm

I like Pammy. She's kinda like an STD in a comedy gold sort of way. She just keeps on giving.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:11:22pm

Having seen the list of cooking terms that's making Pam hysterical, I think I see what the problem may be. As Alouette said, I don't think they wrote this, I think they got it from somewhere else. I don't know entirely what the "kosher turkey does NOT have less cholesterol, it does NOT have no bacteria" is about, but I guess that it was originally a response to someone who like many consumers, had an idea that kosher meat is somehow incredibly physically pure and super-healthy. Even at Thanksgiving dinner, I was talking to a woman who thought it meant 'organic' and raised without antibiotics.

71 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:12:19pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam's not a godnut. Pam doesn't give a damn about religion except in the context of destroying Islam.

sure, while you all sit back and examine and judge each other, some of us move on out of boredom and disgust...fight it out amongst yourselves...surely somebody is right? and the other wrong?

72 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:12:58pm

re: #69 austin_blue

I like Pammy. She's kinda like an STD in a comedy gold sort of way. She just keeps on giving.

I wonder what these people are going to resort to, once Fear Inc. Fails.

I'd say the bottle, the journey has already started.

Hm, just remembered. Didn't Newt put out a vile anti Muslim video back during the Park51 fracas?

Needs to be replayed, DNC.

73 erik_t  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:13:07pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Having seen the list of cooking terms that's making Pam hysterical, I think I see what the problem may be.

The problem is that she's a nutcase. Now we're just discussing triggers.

74 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:13:31pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
That Geller person is a media hog. If the media is not focused on her she has to make up something to get attention.

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:13:48pm

re: #71 albusteve

sure, while you all sit back and examine and judge each other, some of us move on out of boredom and disgust...fight it out amongst yourselves...surely somebody is right? and the other wrong?

Dude. Football.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:15:29pm

re: #71 albusteve

sure, while you all sit back and examine and judge each other, some of us move on out of boredom and disgust...fight it out amongst yourselves...surely somebody is right? and the other wrong?

But Steve, you haven't moved on. You're right here, doing your part by telling us how boring and disgusting we are.

77 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:16:22pm

Just found this on CNN International:

Egyptian officer suspected of being 'The Eye Hunter,' shooting protesters

Egypt's general prosecutor on Friday ordered a police officer to submit to questioning regarding his suspected role in shooting protesters in the eyes during recent clashes in Cairo's Tahrir Square.

"The Ministry of Interior is preoccupied by the latest events, but he will come in for questioning soon," Adel Saeed, a spokesman for Egypt's general prosecutor, said about the suspect, 1st Lt. Mahmoud Sobhi El Shinawi.

The evidence offered against El Shinawi includes videos recorded by protesters and posted on Facebook, Saeed said. At least five demonstrators have been shot in the eye, according to authorities.

They are among hundreds of casualties over the past week. Some 41 people have died -- 33 of them in Cairo -- while an additional 3,250 had been wounded as of Friday, Health Ministry spokesman Hisham Shiha has said.

Protesters have called El Shinawi, specifically, "The Eye Hunter" and have sprayed "wanted" stencils featuring his face, name and rank on the walls around Tahrir Square.

Fliers with his photograph have also been distributed to people in the square, which is the hub of the activist movement railing against Egypt's military leaders. They include a reward offer of 5,000 Egyptian pounds ($800) for information leading to the suspect, according to the artist who painted the stencil and asked not be named.

78 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:17:26pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

El Major Asshole.

79 erik_t  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:18:37pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

The problem with a police state* is that people like that end up wanting to be police.


* there are in fact many problems with a police state

80 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:19:03pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

I bought myself an early Christmas present, a Marmot Plasma 30, the ferrari of ultralight sleeping bags. It's kind of like a whole body foreskin (TMI? ... probably) and also goes well with alcohol.

If you were hoping for a job writing ad copy for Marmot, forget it.re:


#55 wilburs

I guess Butterball's big mistake was their

"biased description of Kosher turkey"

Perhaps they could mollify these critics by just making another entry in the glossary

Jesus Turkeys Baptized before slaughter, thus making them magically delicious

Always thought turkeys were fellow agnostics. They truly don't know a freakn' thing.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:22:52pm

re: #78 jaunte

El Major Asshole.

And a sadist, at that. The guy seemed like a serial killer personality type to me, even if he didn't actually kill anyone.

82 albusteve  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:23:22pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

Dude. Football.

yeah...good idea

83 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:26:23pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

The evidence offered against El Shinawi includes videos recorded by protesters and posted on Facebook, Saeed said. At least five demonstrators have been shot in the eye, according to authorities.

It's kinda sad to see CNN not being a little more critical in their reporting. Egypt, like many other countries in the region are pretty susceptible to wild rumors and conspiracy theories. It's highly unlikely that some Egyptian sniper has such epic skills that he's hitting moving protesters in crowds with non-lethal eye shots.

84 William of Orange  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:26:24pm

Wait....

Aren't fanatic Christians and Muslims on the same page concerning evolution??


I posted this before in a different thread but it got flushed in a flurry of replies. I urge you to show this footage to everyone you know. It's a new documentary by Sir David Attenborough. The geezer is already 85-years old! And still there's no sign of him stopping. Teach your children. Listen to this wise old man.

First Life and the Conquest.

85 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:30:15pm

re: #55 wilburs

I guess Butterball's big mistake was their

"biased description of Kosher turkey"

As stated above, I don't think Butterball had anything to do with writing that description, it was just something they grabbed from another site. If Pam has a gripe, she should take it up with whoever created that "glossary of cooking terms" although I kind of suspect that it was created "by committee"

Anyway, Pam has no business complaining about someone's "biased description of Kosher turkey" after plagiarizing the "Kosher tax" myth from the KKK and substituting the words "Halal" and "Muslims" for "Kosher" and "Jews"

86 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:37:43pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Having seen the list of cooking terms that's making Pam hysterical, I think I see what the problem may be. As Alouette said, I don't think they wrote this, I think they got it from somewhere else. I don't know entirely what the "kosher turkey does NOT have less cholesterol, it does NOT have no bacteria" is about, but I guess that it was originally a response to someone who like many consumers, had an idea that kosher meat is somehow incredibly physically pure and super-healthy. Even at Thanksgiving dinner, I was talking to a woman who thought it meant 'organic' and raised without antibiotics.

I think that's the reason - a lot of people have a mistaken impression that kosher somehow means "more healthy." And since turkeys do have bacteria and have to be cooked thoroughly to avoid making you sick, it doesn't seem strange at all that the glossary brought it up.

I feel sorry for the Butterball employees who have to deal with this bigoted rubbish.

87 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:40:43pm

re: #86 Charles
"I feel sorry for the Butterball employees who have to deal with this bigoted rubbish." They probably got an earful on the Turkey Hotline.

88 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:40:59pm

re: #86 Charles

I think that's the reason - a lot of people have a mistaken impression that kosher somehow means "more healthy." And since turkeys do have bacteria and have to be cooked thoroughly to avoid making you sick, it doesn't seem strange at all that the glossary brought it up.

I feel sorry for the Butterball employees who have to deal with this bigoted rubbish.

Having someone actively looking to take your words out of context and attack you brutally stinks. I know, I've had it happen to me many times.

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:41:17pm

re: #29 Charles

When Geller first started down the road to turkey jihad, we had some people actually saying, "Do they think they're going to be contaminated or something by eating halal meat?"

Well, those comments above are the answer - yes, that's exactly what they think.

do they also think municipal buses are dragons

90 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:42:36pm

re: #86 Charles

All I know is Hebrew National's are the best dogs. Worth every extra $. :)

91 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:43:46pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

"I feel sorry for the Butterball employees who have to deal with this bigoted rubbish." They probably got an earful on the Turkey Hotline.

Yeah, I was expecting why is this fucking breast dry! Not some crap about religion!

92 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:43:59pm

re: #89 WindUpBird

do they also think municipal buses are dragons

Actually, they don't think at all.

93 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:44:13pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

All I know is Hebrew National's are the best dogs. Worth every extra $. :)

Well, if most turkey was constructed from opposum parts, then kosher would also mean more healthy.

94 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:47:07pm

re: #29 Charles

When Geller first started down the road to turkey jihad, we had some people actually saying, "Do they think they're going to be contaminated or something by eating halal meat?"

Well, those comments above are the answer - yes, that's exactly what they think.

BOOGA BOOGA!!!

///

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:48:28pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

"I feel sorry for the Butterball employees who have to deal with this bigoted rubbish." They probably got an earful on the Turkey Hotline.

Can you imagine, if you had no context for this?

One guy calls, screaming, there's a moon demon in his turkey, OK, you get a few intensely crazy people every year. But then you get another. And another. They're taking different angles, some are upset about the moon demon, some of them are screaming that you're letting the terrorists win...you're trying to piece all this together, in between talking to hysterical people who've got a frozen turkey in their bathtub at two in the afternoon.

96 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:50:05pm

re: #85 Alouette

As stated above, I don't think Butterball had anything to do with writing that description, it was just something they grabbed from another site. If Pam has a gripe, she should take it up with whoever created that "glossary of cooking terms" although I kind of suspect that it was created "by committee"

Anyway, Pam has no business complaining about someone's "biased description of Kosher turkey" after plagiarizing the "Kosher tax" myth from the KKK and substituting the words "Halal" and "Muslims" for "Kosher" and "Jews"

There is nothing in the description that that could possibly lend itself to any "bias", as the description merely consists of two facts:

1. The turkey has been salted, so the addition any any more salt through brining is probably not a good idea.

2. The addition of salt doesn't kill all bacteria

97 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:50:10pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you imagine, if you had no context for this?

One guy calls, screaming, there's a moon demon in his turkey, OK, you get a few intensely crazy people every year. But then you get another. And another. They're taking different angles, some are upset about the moon demon, some of them are screaming that you're letting the terrorists win...you're trying to piece all this together, in between talking to hysterical people who've got a frozen turkey in their bathtub at two in the afternoon.

I'd likely need to take medical leave after that. I'd need a week just to recover from the shock of that much insanity.

98 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:51:24pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I'd likely need to take medical leave after that. I'd need a week just to recover from the shock of that much insanity.

Uhhh.. Christmas is coming.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:51:34pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I'd likely need to take medical leave after that. I'd need a week just to recover from the shock of that much insanity.

As someone pointed out, some of these nuts might also have called their pastors to come and exorcise the Butterball.

100 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:52:10pm

And while the Bears are down 8 points with 10 minutes left to play and thus have a chance, the Eagles have no chance, having been hammered by Tom Brady 38-13 with 8:35 left. Any talk of an Eagles comeback now seems rather silly.

101 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:53:25pm

I had a delicious Turkey cooked in peanut oil in a giant Fryer..
Sure was good but it got me thinking...What if you had a severe peanut allergy and went somewhere for Thanksgiving where they cooked the Turkey in peanut oil?
You think you are good.. Some white breast, tatters and gravy, cranberry sauce and a helping of homemade green bean salad..
Then boom! You are dead...
What a curse to live with..

102 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:54:59pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

And while the Bears are down 8 points with 10 minutes left to play and thus have a chance, the Eagles have no chance, having been hammered by Tom Brady 38-13 with 8:35 left. Any talk of an Eagles comeback now seems rather silly.

They should try another take on "Hotel California".

103 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:55:12pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

As someone pointed out, some of these nuts might also have called their pastors to come and exorcise the Butterball.

I need a young priest and an old priest!

104 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:55:23pm

Zuccotti Park protesters confront foul-mouthed antisemite trying to get media attention:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

105 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:56:08pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

They should try another take on "Hotel California".

Well, the Eagles are out to 'check out' of the playoffs...

106 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:56:17pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

"I feel sorry for the Butterball employees who have to deal with this bigoted rubbish." They probably got an earful on the Turkey Hotline.

I am sure that next week in the lunch room, the call center employees will be comparing stories and laughing like cray about these nuts.

I once knew a college student who worked for one of these centers during the holidays for extra cash. She said that the best calls were from people who took the turkeys directly from the freezer, stuck them in the oven, then called a few hours later to find out how much longer they should cook them.

She said it was hard to keep from laughing and calling them idiots.

107 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:56:26pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

I need a young priest and an old priest!

Alabama pastors know how to take care of a turkey.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:57:08pm

Another Bears FG cuts Oakland's lead to 5. Now if the defense can stop the Raiders quick, the Bears have a good chance. Let's go, Chicago!

109 erik_t  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:57:59pm

re: #106 wilburs

The USDA advises that directly cooking a frozen turkey is safe, but it does seem rather daft.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 3:58:17pm

re: #104 Charles

Zuccotti Park protesters confront foul-mouthed antisemite trying to get media attention:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Good on them for smacking down that asshole.

111 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:00:49pm

re: #104 Charles

Zuccotti Park protesters confront foul-mouthed antisemite trying to get media attention:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

a bit of a backhanded compliment from the guy who uploaded the video....

This video is one of the few examples I've seen of people openly criticizing a vicious bigot who claims to be on their side. Even though it's rude, I wish more political activists on the Right and the Left were willing to stand up to the loudmouthed racists and misanthropes in their midst.

Maybe enough people aren't speaking up but at least somebody is.

112 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:02:51pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

All I know is Hebrew National's are the best dogs. Worth every extra $. :)

Like Nathan's too, myself...

113 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:03:11pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

a bit of a backhanded compliment from the guy who uploaded the video...

Maybe enough people aren't speaking up but at least somebody is.

Well, this time enough was done to make clear the hater was speaking only for himself.

114 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:03:56pm

re: #109 erik_t

The USDA advises that directly cooking a frozen turkey is safe, but it does seem rather daft.

Yeah, it may be safe but:

Been there, done that. For one thing, it takes much longer to cook (because it has to thaw out first!) and, meat, especially poultry, tends to come out very tough and stringy if it is cooked before completely thawing.

115 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:06:32pm

re: #109 erik_t

The USDA advises that directly cooking a frozen turkey is safe, but it does seem rather daft.

It takes about 8 hours, be prepared to wait

116 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:07:07pm

Sadly, the Raiders finally get a touchdown to earn themselves a almost certain win over the Bears. Score is 25-13 with 3:47 left. and so I'm closing the tab I had open to follow the game. [shakes head sadly]

117 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:07:38pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Well, this time enough was done to make clear the hater was speaking only for himself.

Antisemitism ended up being the least of OWS's problems anyways.

118 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:09:02pm

re: #109 erik_t

The USDA advises that directly cooking a frozen turkey is safe, but it does seem rather daft.

That's for frozen pre-stuffed turkeys, so that it doesn't become a potential bacterial bomb because it was thawed improperly before cooking. That's why the USDA doesn't recommend buying a fresh pre-stuffed turkey, so people don't give themselves ptomaine poisoning.

Notice the thawing instructions for unstuffed turkeys on the page, though it's not stated as clear as it should be...

119 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:09:51pm

re: #114 Alouette

Cooking a frozen turkey means one did not plan well.

120 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:11:30pm

re: #118 talon_262

Also, you never know who might have pre-stuffed the turkey. Could have been someone who buys their own turkeys halal.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:11:35pm

re: #119 EdDantes

Cooking a frozen turkey means one did not plan well.

Years ago, we were going to go to Thanksgiving at friends, and then my husband got sick. So I went to the nearest kosher meat place, and threw myself through the door, demanding to know if there was any turkey left in the universe.

The guy gave me the last turkey breast in the store. It was frozen. We managed.

122 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:11:53pm

Drunken Pam on the OWS:

5. Where is Occupy Wall Street heading?

Straight to hell. It is a movement of looters, moochers, and destroyers, bent on ruining capitalism, the greatest economic system the world has ever known, the most benevolent and the engine of the prosperity that led to our unqualified leadership and preeminence in the world. And the system that enabled these parasites to spend all their time demonstrating.

Thanks, Pam.
//

123 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:12:16pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course you did!
*smooch*

124 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:12:46pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

TD Chicago! 84 yard drive.

125 Idle Drifter  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:13:18pm

re: #119 EdDantes

Cooking a frozen turkey means one did not plan well.

Cooking a frozen turkey with a deep dryer means someone has a death wish.

Youtube Video
126 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:13:30pm

re: #122 Kid A

Drunken Pam on the OWS:

Thanks, Pam.
//

Ain't no FAIL like Geller FAIL, 'cause a Geller FAIL don't stop!

127 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:13:48pm

re: #124 EdDantes

TD Chicago! 84 yard drive.

Edit: I found out it was just a very fast drive. Now they have to get the ball back pronto.

128 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:14:15pm

re: #125 Idle Drifter

Indeed. :)

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:14:55pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Years ago, we were going to go to Thanksgiving at friends, and then my husband got sick. So I went to the nearest kosher meat place, and threw myself through the door, demanding to know if there was any turkey left in the universe.

The guy gave me the last turkey breast in the store. It was frozen. We managed.

This was Thanksgiving day, about ten AM, I should clarify.

130 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:15:38pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Hester?

Davis. Set up by an 81 yard catch by Knox.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:16:14pm

re: #122 Kid A

Drunken Pam on the OWS:

Thanks, Pam.
//

These would make great exercises for actors.

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:17:35pm

re: #130 EdDantes

Davis. Set up by an 81 yard catch by Knox.

I saw, that's why I used the pencil. But thank you. The Bears need to make sure Oakland runs their first play before the 2 minute warning.

133 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:17:35pm

re: #118 talon_262

Doh! I just saw this under the USDA turkey thawing instructions:

It is safe to cook a turkey from the frozen state. The cooking time will take at least 50 percent longer than recommended for a fully thawed turkey. Remember to remove the giblet packages during the cooking time. Remove carefully with tongs or a fork.

Whoops...

134 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:17:41pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Ain't no FAIL like Geller FAIL, 'cause a Geller FAIL don't stop!

Ain't no COOG like a Geller COOG, 'cause a Geller COOG don't stop!

135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:18:08pm

re: #134 Kid A

Ain't no COOG like a Geller COOG, 'cause a Geller COOG don't stop!

What's a COOG?

136 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:18:48pm

re: #122 Kid A

Hey, haven't seen you for awhile. I know you are into sports (Rome)

What's your take in college?

137 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:19:15pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

What's a COOG?

Short for cougar.

138 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:19:24pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

What's a COOG?

COOG...as in "cougar", I do believe.

139 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:19:34pm

The Bears were just forced to take their last timeout, though.

140 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:19:36pm

I wonder if Pam has seen this?

When Europeans first encountered turkeys on the American continent, they incorrectly identified the birds as a type of guineafowl (Numididae). Guineafowl were also known as turkey fowl (or turkey hen and turkey cock) because they were imported to Central Europe through Turkey. The name turkey fowl, shortened to just the name of the country, stuck as the name of the American bird. (emphasis added because, well, we know Pam likes that)

That's right, fellow Americans; the very name of this foul fowl represents an effort to steal credit for an American product and give it to a Muslim country.

141 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:20:04pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Dd you see my post on Boaz Mazor?

142 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:20:35pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

Hey, haven't seen you for awhile. I know you are into sports (Rome)

What's your take in college?

Hey, there. Looks like LSU v Alabama for the BCS. UH wins next Saturday and they'll probably play Michigan in the Sugar Bowl.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:21:15pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if Pam has seen this?

That's right, fellow Americans; the very name of this foul fowl represents an effort to steal credit for an American product and give it to a Muslim country.

Don't give her any ideas! If she heard that she'd demand that the turkey be renamed the "American Anti-Sharia Freedom Bird".

144 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:21:21pm

re: #122 Kid A

It is a movement of looters, moochers, and destroyers, bent on ruining capitalism, the greatest economic system the world has ever known, the most benevolent and the engine of the prosperity that led to our unqualified leadership and preeminence in the world. And the system that enabled these parasites to spend all their time demonstrating.

Very Aynrandian.

145 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22:22pm

re: #122 Kid A

Drunken Pam on the OWS:

Thanks, Pam.
//

If Pam were a dude, I'd call her a fucking putz...

146 erik_t  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22:52pm

re: #133 talon_262

Have faith! I did in fact read the entire page.

147 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:23:21pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if Pam has seen this?

That's right, fellow Americans; the very name of this foul fowl represents an effort to steal credit for an American product and give it to a Muslim country.

I did find the Butterball distribution map kind of interesting. Turkey has to be a relatively new introduction to the Muslim world I wonder what Turkey dishes in Yemen taste like. It's probably not the most popular food but I bet they do some interesting stuff with it.

148 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:23:38pm

re: #142 Kid A

Hey, there. Looks like LSU v Alabama for the BCS. UH wins next Saturday and they'll probably play Michigan in the Sugar Bowl.

But but Bama v LSU again? Bama (nick Satan) not even in the sec game. Ahhh it's happened before, but a let down. Go LSU.

149 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:24:08pm

Chi gets another chance on thei r0wn 4

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:25:24pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Dd you see my post on Boaz Mazor?

Yes, I did. Thanks! Bookmarked--I'm editing too fast to actually read stuff.

151 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:25:39pm

re: #144 jaunte

Very Aynrandian.

Right out of Atlas Shrugged, indeed. The same hate and rage, with only some word choices to separate the two.

152 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:26:53pm

re: #86 Charles

And since turkeys do have bacteria and have to be cooked thoroughly to avoid making you sick, it doesn't seem strange at all that the glossary brought it up.

It's true for every meat. The meats we get from factory farms are infested with who knows how many chemicals and bacteria, and you have to cook them long enough to kill all that garbage:

[Link: www.fsis.usda.gov...]

[Link: digestive.niddk.nih.gov...]

Of course, admitting that would require nuance on Pam's part, and she's incapable of it.

153 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:27:53pm

Heh. There were 4 turkeys in this house. #3 cooking now.

154 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:28:44pm

Boycott schmoycott...I don't eat Butterball because it's injected with about 5lbs of water to bring the price up..then there are the antibiotics. Have to start referring to Geller as Shariah Carey.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:29:51pm

re: #154 darthstar

Boycott schmoycott...I don't eat Butterball because it's injected with about 5lbs of water to bring the price up..then there are the antibiotics. Have to start referring to Geller as Shariah Carey.

That's evil.

I like it!

156 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:30:55pm

re: #154 darthstar

I only buy turkeys who are happy before they sneak up on it and slip it the axe. :)

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:31:46pm

Raiders win, 25-20. Rats.

158 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:33:42pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Raiders win, 25-20. Rats.

Dark, gonna be a tough sled out this year with Cutler gone, and honestly I never liked him as a starter either. What is it with the Bears and quarterbacks, anyway? You guys haven't had a stud behind center my entire life and I'm forty.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:34:36pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Don't give her any ideas! If she heard that she'd demand that the turkey be renamed the "American Anti-Sharia Freedom Bird".

This is, I swear, very funny if you know a little about Jewish traditional texts.

The main gag is based on the fact that 'turkey' in Hebrew is 'tarnegol hodu', or just 'hodu', and that 'hodu' means not only 'turkey' but 'giving thanks', and appears commonly in the phrase 'Hodu l'adonai ki tov', 'give thanks to the Lord for He is good'.

160 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:35:04pm

re: #148 Stanley Sea

But but Bama v LSU again? Bama (nick Satan) not even in the sec game. Ahhh it's happened before, but a let down. Go LSU.

Via the BCS's stupid format, yes, and honestly I'd like to see it again. Not 9-6 with 55 missed field goals, mind you.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:35:16pm

re: #156 EdDantes

I only buy turkeys who are happy before they sneak up on it and slip it the axe. :)

Youtube Video

Sorry about the poor quality.

162 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:36:41pm

re: #122 Kid A

Drunken Pam on the OWS:

Thanks, Pam.
//

Could she possibly plagiarize Ayn Rand any more than that?

163 Mocking Jay  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:37:09pm

Am I alone in not really liking turkey anymore and going for something like duck on Thanksgiving?

164 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:37:44pm

re: #163 JasonA

Am I alone in not really liking turkey anymore and going for something like duck on Thanksgiving?

Turducken?

165 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:37:53pm

re: #163 JasonA

Am I alone in not really liking turkey anymore and going for something like duck on Thanksgiving?

Not me. I still dig the bird, but grandma makes a mean-ass ham too.

166 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:38:26pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

Heh. There were 4 turkeys in this house. #3 cooking now.

We had one roasted and two deep fried on Thursday...wound up with 1/2 a deep fried to take home.

By the way, I saw your question on the iPad from earlier...don't know...don't really care. Think the iPad is a stupid but expensive toy.

167 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:38:36pm

re: #158 Kid A

Dark, gonna be a tough sled out this year with Cutler gone, and honestly I never liked him as a starter either. What is it with the Bears and quarterbacks, anyway? You guys haven't had a stud behind center my entire life and I'm forty.

Management doesn't want to pay for a star, and the fans will show up without one being there. The heart of the Bears is their defense, not the offense. The defenders get more press and play the bigger role in filling the seats.

168 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:39:46pm

re: #163 JasonA

Am I alone in not really liking turkey anymore and going for something like duck on Thanksgiving?

I've been glazing a ham on Thanksgiving for years now. Doing the whole production of cooking a turkey is just way too much work.

This year, the longest production I had to go through was in turning a dozen eggs into deviled eggs. Everything else-- the ham, the stuffing, the sweet potatoes, the greens, etc. -- took me next to no time at all.

169 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:40:31pm

re: #168 Lidane

Deviled eggs...yum!

170 blueraven  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:41:11pm

Speaking of delicious Turkey...I used Alton Browns method this year. After brining overnight, cook for 30 min at 500 degrees, then down to 350.

I admit I was skeptical, but the 14lb bird took just a bit over two hours. It was wonderfully browned outside and moist, juicy and flavorful inside.

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

I highly recommend this method...with one caveat. I added some liquid (white wine and stock) to the pan from the beginning. Otherwise the high heat burns the turkey drippings, smoking up the oven and your house! Plus it smells bad and you cant use the drippings for the gravy.

171 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:46:25pm

re: #170 blueraven

Alton's method for making a steak in just a few minutes is awesome as well:

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

It's quick, painless, and anyone can do it. Plus, the steak turns out ridiculously tender and juicy.

172 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:46:51pm

re: #168 Lidane

I've been glazing a ham on Thanksgiving for years now. Doing the whole production of cooking a turkey is just way too much work.

This year, the longest production I had to go through was in turning a dozen eggs into deviled eggs. Everything else-- the ham, the stuffing, the sweet potatoes, the greens, etc. -- took me next to no time at all.

You need to get a tall red and white striped hat and tint the eggs green...

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:47:05pm

re: #163 JasonA

Am I alone in not really liking turkey anymore and going for something like duck on Thanksgiving?

I like duck for Thanksgiving. Especially wild duck (mind the steel shot! :) but farm raised will do if need be. Just don't bring that abomination orange sauce anywhere near it.

174 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:48:40pm

re: #172 oaktree

You need to get a tall red and white striped hat and tint the eggs green...

Heh. The deviled eggs were for the boyfriend. He's been asking me to make some for ages because I made them once and he liked them.

Still, that's a thought. Maybe next time I'll pull out the food coloring.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:50:07pm

BBL

176 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:51:18pm

re: #174 Lidane

Heh. The deviled eggs were for the boyfriend. He's been asking me to make some for ages because I made them once and he liked them.

Still, that's a thought. Maybe next time I'll pull out the food coloring.

Add a little pureed spinach or broccali for green, red peppers for red

177 blueraven  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:55:06pm

re: #171 Lidane

Alton's method for making a steak in just a few minutes is awesome as well:

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

It's quick, painless, and anyone can do it. Plus, the steak turns out ridiculously tender and juicy.

Oh I use that all the time too. Also while the steak is resting I add a little red wine to the skillet, reduce it down on the top of the stove then add a pat of butter at the end. It makes a great little sauce for the steak

178 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:58:55pm

Uh. TEBOW.

179 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:58:57pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Years ago, we were going to go to Thanksgiving at friends, and then my husband got sick. So I went to the nearest kosher meat place, and threw myself through the door, demanding to know if there was any turkey left in the universe.

The guy gave me the last turkey breast in the store. It was frozen. We managed.

I bought a fresh dark meat turkey roll at our local kosher grocery on Thursday! they also had fresh (not frozen!) whole turkeys, and fresh boneless turkey breast.

It was Thursday and everybody buys their turkeys for Friday night dinner.

180 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:00:19pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

Uh. TEBOW.

Is he still playing?

181 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:12:48pm

re: #171 Lidane

Alton's method for making a steak in just a few minutes is awesome as well:

[Link: www.foodnetwork.com...]

It's quick, painless, and anyone can do it. Plus, the steak turns out ridiculously tender and juicy.

I will always love Alton Brown for teaching me to make mayonnaise

Good Eats S4E10P1: Mayo Clinic

Youtube Video
182 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:14:36pm

This Thanksgiving, Great Lakes natives are enjoying imported shrimp:
[Link: www.eurekalert.org...]

183 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:19:10pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

I will always love Alton Brown for teaching me to make mayonnaise

Good Eats S4E10P1: Mayo Clinic

[Video]

I fucking HATE mayonnaise...but give me an egg yolk, some good olive oil, and a steel whisk, and I'm happy to make (and eat) the creamy result of that covalent bond.

184 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:22:58pm

re: #183 darthstar

I fucking HATE mayonnaise...but give me an egg yolk, some good olive oil, and a steel whisk, and I'm happy to make (and eat) the creamy result of that covalent bond.

I make mine with light olive oil, mustard powder and tarragon. I still fuck it up sometimes but I get it right about 90% of the time. Much tastier and much healthier than the store bought stuff. I can usually knock it out in about 10 minutes.

185 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:24:09pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

I make mine with light olive oil, mustard powder and tarragon. I still fuck it up sometimes but I get it right about 90% of the time. Much tastier and much healthier than the store bought stuff. I can usually knock it out in about 10 minutes.

...and despite what Alton says, I make mine with an electric wand mixer. Works great.

186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:25:23pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

I make mine with light olive oil, mustard powder and tarragon. I still fuck it up sometimes but I get it right about 90% of the time. Much tastier and much healthier than the store bought stuff. I can usually knock it out in about 10 minutes.

Amazing how much better food you can make with a bit of extra time and having the ingredients on hand as compared to settling for store bought.

187 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:25:40pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

...and despite what Alton says, I make mine with an electric wand mixer. Works great.

I can make mayo in a Cuisinart.

188 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:26:24pm

What's happening here? We're 186 comments into a butterball thread, and still talking food-porn.

189 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:27:24pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

I make mine with light olive oil, mustard powder and tarragon. I still fuck it up sometimes but I get it right about 90% of the time. Much tastier and much healthier than the store bought stuff. I can usually knock it out in about 10 minutes.

My wife tends to call out the flavor depending on what we're making..like recently she crushed a bunch of garlic and black pepper and we made an aioli that we pasted over fresh halibut filets for baking...fuckin' off the hook good.

190 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:27:49pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

What's happening here? We're 186 comments into a butterball thread, and still talking food-porn.

Sharia food porn.

191 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:28:14pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

The lizard army travels on its stomach.

192 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:28:45pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

What's happening here? We're 186 comments into a butterball thread, and still talking food-porn.

Food porn good...

193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:31:10pm

Heh. I'm still cooking pork shoulder today. 2nd batch hit the slow cooker about 11am and is due to come out in about 30 minutes.

Will have to take some pulled pork in to work tomorrow to break everyone's turkey fixation.

194 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:31:11pm

re: #192 talon_262

Food porn good...

Just finished the last (I hope) of the open-faced turkey sandwiches. There is still a carcase for turkey-rice soup.

195 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:33:33pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Just finished the last (I hope) of the open-faced turkey sandwiches. There is still a carcase for turkey-rice soup.

A 22-pound turkey lasted, in a house of 5 grown people (with guests on Thanksgiving), about two days...

196 Big Joe  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:34:35pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Just finished the last (I hope) of the open-faced turkey sandwiches. There is still a carcase for turkey-rice soup.

our soup is simmering on the stove at this very minute.

197 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:35:47pm

re: #195 talon_262

A 22-pound turkey lasted, in a house of 5 grown people (with guests on Thanksgiving), about two days...

Heh.. Did you notice above that the USDA estimates 1 lb/ person for frozen weight?

198 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:37:57pm

re: #193 oaktree

Heh. I'm still cooking pork shoulder today. 2nd batch hit the slow cooker about 11am and is due to come out in about 30 minutes.

Will have to take some pulled pork in to work tomorrow to break everyone's turkey fixation.

Pulled Pork - now that's some good food porn.

Me, I'm going into post-TG mode...making cabbage soup. Need to jump-start the metabolism again.

199 Kragar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:41:36pm

re: #198 darthstar

Pulled Pork - now that's some good food porn.

Me, I'm going into post-TG mode...making cabbage soup. Need to jump-start the metabolism again.

Made turkey noodle soup last night. Going with linguine with pesto tonight.

200 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:42:18pm

re: #193 oaktree

Pulled pork is awesome. And ridiculously easy to make. I finally made my first batch of it not too long ago and it turned out really well.

I'll have to do it again once I can get past all the crazy amounts of work I have due soon.

201 Buck  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:44:23pm

True food porn: Not Safe for Vegetarians

202 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:45:43pm

re: #200 Lidane

Pulled pork is awesome. And ridiculously easy to make. I finally made my first batch of it not too long ago and it turned out really well.

I'll have to do it again once I can get past all the crazy amounts of work I have due soon.

Yep. Just need time when using a slow cooker. Bit of prep, turn after five hours, cook more, let cool a bit, pull, sauce, and cook to finish. Re-heat and eat over a period of time from there.

I've been using a slow cooker more since I can start stuff before leaving for work or at lunch time, and then get dinner on the table quickly once I'm home.

203 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:51:14pm

Todays visit to OLA was truly sad.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

204 docproto48  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:52:25pm

re: #3 Sergey Romanov

Funny it would come from Geller's site. Maimonides considered Christianity to be idolatry, but Islam to be a form of true monotheism.

One of Islams chief criticisms of Christianity is the worship of three god's
Good thing I'm a unitarian

205 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:56:55pm

If Winnipeg wins the Grey Cup does that mean sharia is taking over Canada?

206 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 5:58:41pm

re: #205 oaktree

Yes. If B.C. wins, same answer.

207 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:01:11pm

re: #203 Rightwingconspirator

Todays visit to OLA was truly sad.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think it's for the best, regardless of outcome. I have serious doubts that the right lessons will be learned but there's always hope in rebirth.

208 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:04:51pm

Serious kulturkonfusion: The Facebook Song at the Galax VA mountain music festival

Youtube Video
210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:10:33pm

Hey all!

How has the Sunday been for you?

211 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:20:05pm

re: #210 ggt

Hey all!

How has the Sunday been for you?

Hi You! Had a safe trip back to Oklahoma today..No food here so I ordered out for Winston and I..Watching Football and complaining about my Blackberry that broke and Winston is sound asleep next to me ignoring every word...

212 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:25:03pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

LWC just said it was as if the carnival had left and only the freaks remained. Which is unduly harsh shorthand. But the more serious Occupy volunteers were working on moving and or on that next as yet unannounced step.

As I caution myself to not be too optimistic about that next step I'll suggest to you it is be too soon to write off the movement. As much as you dislike the method, in many ways they carry your water and mine with their advocacy.

If they get offices and do targeted actions like marches and short Occupy sit ins they will be stronger. They are weak in part because they refuse to sell out. I cut them some slack on that basis alone. That fact deserves some respect.

213 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:28:26pm

re: #86 Charles

I think that's the reason - a lot of people have a mistaken impression that kosher somehow means "more healthy." And since turkeys do have bacteria and have to be cooked thoroughly to avoid making you sick, it doesn't seem strange at all that the glossary brought it up.

Turkeys naturally contain bacteria, and it doesn't matter if it is halal, kosher or made for us goyim. There's a reason you're supposed to cook said bird to an internal temperature of 165 deg F - to kill said bacteria. Those of us in culinary school know that you can pull the bird out between 155 - 160 deg F, only because the bird will continue to cook to the safe temperature once it is removed from the oven. Of course, I am a proponent of consuming prime rib in lieu of turkey for a pleasant change on the menu.

214 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:39:02pm

re: #212 Rightwingconspirator

LWC just said it was as if the carnival had left and only the freaks remained.

Heh

As I caution myself to not be too optimistic about that next step I'll suggest to you it is be too soon to write off the movement. As much as you dislike the method, in many ways they carry your water and mine with their advocacy.

I have no doubt they'll be back, they never went away. "OWS" existed long before this (antiwar marches etc) and they'll last long after this in whatever form comes next. I have no doubt that the movement will continue in some for or another but I have my doubts that the continuation is going to be meaningful or serious.

215 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:41:19pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

How might you set the goal posts of "serious" or "meaningful"? Some can argue they have already had meaningful results via reshaping the general conversation about corporate influence on our system.

216 jaunte  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:41:24pm

The Brown-Kaufman proposal to limit the size of banks was defeated, 60 to 31.
...
Meanwhile, Kaufman says, “we’re absolutely, totally, 100 percent not prepared for another financial crisis.”

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

217 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:41:36pm

Image: qm.gif

218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:43:24pm

Hey all!

How has the Sunday been for you?

re: #186 oaktree

Amazing how much better food you can make with a bit of extra time and having the ingredients on hand as compared to settling for store bought.

Yes, but making it yourself is work.

219 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:43:40pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

gif est nada

220 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:43:44pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

What's happening here? We're 186 comments into a butterball thread, and still talking food-porn.

Porn is good.
So, there.

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:44:32pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

Hi You! Had a safe trip back to Oklahoma today..No food here so I ordered out for Winston and I..Watching Football and complaining about my Blackberry that broke and Winston is sound asleep next to me ignoring every word...

What did Winston order?

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:45:56pm

Anyone read about this legislation.

I don't know a darn thing about it and that scares me.

I've read so much already UGH!

223 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:47:42pm

re: #215 Rightwingconspirator

How might you set the goal posts of "serious" or "meaningful"? Some can argue they have already had meaningful results via reshaping the general conversation about corporate influence on our system.

OWS didn't really impact the national conversation. It quickly became more about the legal right to camp in public urban parks and the proper police procedure to break up a human chain. Sanitation, public safety and the impact on local business and the strain on local resources for police baby sitters was too much of a strain. A serious political movement shouldn't have prolonged debates about the wisdom of holding 24 hour drum circles. It has nothing to do with the economic problems we face as a country.
I understand that protesting involves being a nuisance but the nuisance created should have some relation to the problem at hand. Sitting at segregated lunch counters served a purpose. Shitting in the streets of Manhattan did not.

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:48:25pm

Today's quota of cute.

225 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:48:41pm

re: #219 EdDantes

gif est nada

Sorry about that
[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

226 Digital Display  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:50:12pm

re: #221 ggt

What did Winston order?

A roast beef sub from pizza shuttle...' Thinly sliced 95% fat free roast beef '
It didn't stand a chance

227 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:50:42pm

re: #218 ggt

Hey all!

How has the Sunday been for you?

Yes, but making it yourself is work.

True. But you assure greater control of quality, safe cooking conditions, and so on.

So I sit here with cats watching football. Will work on the pulled pork at half-time.

228 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:55:27pm

re: #222 ggt

Anyone read about this legislation.

I don't know a darn thing about it and that scares me.

I've read so much already UGH!

If Patrick McHenry introduced it, you know it is full of fail

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:59:38pm

re: #228 wilburs

If Patrick McHenry introduced it, you know it is full of fail

Yeah, I thought it sounded like politics as usual, but the Open Congress.com has it passing the House at 93%. feel-good legislation?

230 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 6:59:57pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Worth the wait.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:00:21pm

OMG, I just cannot get that awake feeling today. Been out, done stuff, still feel like I just woke-up and need more sleep.

232 Mocking Jay  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:01:43pm

Well, that Walking Dead finale certainly was emotional.

233 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:05:36pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

OWS didn't really impact the national conversation. It quickly became more about the legal right to camp in public urban parks and the proper police procedure to break up a human chain. Sanitation, public safety and the impact on local business and the strain on local resources for police baby sitters was too much of a strain. A serious political movement shouldn't have prolonged debates about the wisdom of holding 24 hour drum circles. It has nothing to do with the economic problems we face as a country.
I understand that protesting involves being a nuisance but the nuisance created should have some relation to the problem at hand. Sitting at segregated lunch counters served a purpose. Shitting in the streets of Manhattan did not.

You did not answer my question. As you wish.
That is exactly the impression the critics encourage and depend upon. Thing is, it's just not quite so. A fair measure of influence in news stories. Well they shaped the news is ways you and the critics tend to ignore. About the banks and wall street. About showing a pointed economic complaint outside of the party system.

234 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:07:36pm

re: #229 ggt

Yeah, I thought it sounded like politics as usual, but the Open Congress.com has it passing the House at 93%. feel-good legislation?

It allows businesses to raise cash more easily, which may well be very useful for small business. Of course, it will also make it extremely easy to commit massive fraud and bilk people out of money in Ponzi schemes, because small businesses can now ask you for investment money directly. But that's okay, because capitalism is awesome and we all have perfect knowledge of the market, so if you get taken in by a scam it's your own fault and you deserve it.

It can pass with widespread support because it's a relatively minor issue that the media can't make a quick sound bite out of and gin up some anger over, turning it into us vs them.

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:09:09pm

re: #234 Renaissance_Man

It allows businesses to raise cash more easily, which may well be very useful for small business. Of course, it will also make it extremely easy to commit massive fraud and bilk people out of money in Ponzi schemes, because small businesses can now ask you for investment money directly. But that's okay, because capitalism is awesome and we all have perfect knowledge of the market, so if you get taken in by a scam it's your own fault and you deserve it.

I don't have a problem with direct investment, sounds like a great idea. I'd just like to see a "system" in place. IRS forms that must be filed, etc.

Perhaps investors should have to pass a test and get certified before they can invest. Like a driver's license type exam. Simple, basic stuff to be sure they won't ALL be stupid.

236 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:11:48pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

OWS certainly has impacted the national conversation.

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:13:06pm

re: #236 prairiefire

OWS certainly has impacted the national conversation.

I concur.

238 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:14:12pm

re: #229 ggt

Yeah, I thought it sounded like politics as usual, but the Open Congress.com has it passing the House at 93%. feel-good legislation?

This already exists. It is called the OTC market.

It only remains for some brokerage to put together a friendly interface like kickstarter or donors choice to make it look attractive.

The only problem is that the type of firms that market OTC and pink sheet stocks are not very honest.

239 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:16:00pm

re: #235 ggt

I don't have a problem with direct investment, sounds like a great idea. I'd just like to see a "system" in place. IRS forms that must be filed, etc.

Perhaps investors should have to pass a test and get certified before they can invest. Like a driver's license type exam. Simple, basic stuff to be sure they won't ALL be stupid.

You haven't seen any episodes of American Greed, have you.

If what they want to do is do away with stock registration and blue sky laws, this is a disaster waiting to happen

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:16:22pm

re: #238 Wilbur's

This already exists. It is called the OTC market.

It only remains for some brokerage to put together a friendly interface like kick starter or donors choice to make it look attractive.

The only problem is that the type of firms that market OTC and pink sheet stocks are not very honest.

Seriously though, what is stopping me from investing Jose the Landscaper's business right now? If I hire a lawyer and have Jose sign a promissory note?

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:17:32pm

re: #239 wilburs

You haven't seen any episodes of American Greed, have you.

If what they want to do is do away with stock registration and blue sky laws, this is a disaster waiting to happen

Yeah, that is probably what they want. Instead of thinking it through and creating some kind a of stock/investment system for small business for small investors. Start on a state-by-state basis, see what works . . .

242 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:20:46pm

re: #240 ggt

Seriously though, what is stopping me from investing Jose the Landscaper's business right now? If I hire a lawyer and have Jose sign a promissory note?

Nothing at all

Are you lending the money and having him sign a note, or are you buying part of the business?

If it is the latter, then you need to incorporate or set up a LLC, and then it gets complicated.

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:22:35pm

re: #242 wilburs

Nothing at all

Are you lending the money and having him sign a note, or are you buying part of the business?

If it is the latter, then you need to incorporate or set up a LLC, and then it gets complicated.

Yeah, this needs to be regulated --a whole new market needs to be created for this to work.

We probably need it badly. There are a lot of entrepreneurs who could be making our world/economy much better, but it is so difficult to a) find funding and b) make it all legal.

244 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:23:03pm

re: #236 prairiefire

OWS certainly has impacted the national conversation.

Which OWS proposals became popular after introduced by the protests? Tax hikes for the rich are far more popualr that OWS itself. Even though most of the public shares the general sentiment of the protests OWS is now more unpopular than the Tea Party. I would say that OWS went so far as to hurt their own cause,

245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:23:28pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Which OWS proposals became popular after introduced by the protests? Tax hikes for the rich are far more popualr that OWS itself. Even though most of the public shares the general sentiment of the protests OWS is now more unpopular than the Tea Party. I would say that OWS went so far as to hurt their own cause,

Well, I for one changed my voting preferences.

246 EdDantes  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:24:38pm

re: #231 ggt

OMG, I just cannot get that awake feeling today. Been out, done stuff, still feel like I just woke-up and need more sleep.

Welcome to my world, muchacho.

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:25:39pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Welcome to my world, muchacho.

My brain will just not unfuzz. Need to buy better coffee --down to the last of the back of the cabinet Folger's leftovers I keep for emergencies.

248 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:26:36pm

re: #243 ggt

Yeah, this needs to be regulated --a whole new market needs to be created for this to work.

We probably need it badly. There are a lot of entrepreneurs who could be making our world/economy much better, but it is so difficult to a) find funding and b) make it all legal.

I disagree.

Most "entrepreneurs" are failures, as most small business fail pretty quickly.

There is no real shortage of investment capital for truly great ideas, or even bad ones.

249 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:26:52pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

My perception is that the OWS organizers have been trying to ride the train of general discontent rather than actually leading the conversation.

I do agree that all those camp-ins in parks really haven't accomplished much positive.

Grousing about "the rich" has always been around and rises in popularity when times are tough. That's not an OWS invention.

250 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:29:38pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Which OWS proposals became popular after introduced by the protests? Tax hikes for the rich are far more popualr that OWS itself. Even though most of the public shares the general sentiment of the protests OWS is now more unpopular than the Tea Party. I would say that OWS went so far as to hurt their own cause,

I see you share David Weigal's perspective on the nasty '60's:[Link: www.slate.com...]

I think the OWS meme has been picked up by many more people outside the OWS. As far as being a messenger of their ideals, I think OWS has been effective.

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:30:30pm

re: #248 wilburs

I disagree.

Most "entrepreneurs" are failures, as most small business fail pretty quickly.

There is no real shortage of investment capital for truly great ideas, or even bad ones.

Well, I need to learn more.

252 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:33:09pm

re: #249 freetoken

My perception is that the OWS organizers have been trying to ride the train of general discontent rather than actually leading the conversation.

I do agree that all those camp-ins in parks really haven't accomplished much positive.

Grousing about "the rich" has always been around and rises in popularity when times are tough. That's not an OWS invention.

I think OWS betrayed its own lack of confidence by not proposing real concrete economic proposals. They intentionally kept things vague because the real solutions were too dull and complicated. It was more important to maintain a leftists party atmosphere rather provide solutions.

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:35:32pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I think OWS betrayed its own lack of confidence by not proposing real concrete economic proposals. They intentionally kept things vague because the real solutions were too dull and complicated. It was more important to maintain a leftists party atmosphere rather provide solutions.

They weren't co-oped by a major political party and don't have any candidates using their name . . .

therefore, they must be irrelevant . . .

//

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:36:15pm

I'm going to sleep.

Maybe I caught a little bug.

Have a great evening all!

255 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:37:52pm

re: #253 ggt

They weren't co-oped by a major political party and don't have any candidates using their name . . .

therefore, they must be irrelevant . . .

//

And they haven't set up a PAC yet, despite the fact that one of their main issues is the influence of PACs and lobbyist money on the political process.

256 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:39:21pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

They intentionally kept things vague because the real solutions were too dull and complicated.

I'm not sure the whole loosely defined movement has been coherent enough to make a single "they".

The whole thing just strikes me as too faddish. The institutions which are long lived and which supposedly look out for the interests of their parties - e.g., unions, associations, etc. - perhaps have fallen short in performing their duties and really making the points that need to be made to the entire electorate. Yet, I don't see where the OWS organizers have really taken over that responsibility either.

re: #253 ggt

They weren't co-oped by a major political party and don't have any candidates using their name . . .

therefore, they must be irrelevant . . .

//

I realize you put the "//" in there, but what you wrote about parties has more importance than you're giving it, IMO.

Unless you can affect legislation all the drum circles just won't go anywhere, and the crowds will lose interest in drum circles soon enough.

257 Kragar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:46:06pm

So, my youngest daughter went nuts because Justin Bieber was on TV.

"GAH! I CAN'T STAND HIM! GET OFF MY SHOW! LALALALA!"

258 Kragar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:51:23pm

Evangelicals Flocking Toward Newt Gingrich

Like many evangelicals in Iowa, Steve Deace, an influential conservative radio host, is wrestling with the possibility that Newt Gingrich may be the most viable standard bearer for family-values voters in the next election. It’s a conundrum, he says, that many others are also grappling with. "Maybe the guy in the race that would make the best president is on his third marriage," he says. "How do we reconcile that?"

One senses him trying. "I see a lot of parallels between King David and Newt Gingrich, two extraordinary men gifted by God, whose lives include very high highs and very low lows," Deace says. David, after all, committed adultery with the ravishing Bathsheba, then had her husband killed, among other transgressions. The Bible makes room for complicated, morally compromised heroes. Now Christian conservatives, desperate for an alternative to Mitt Romney, are learning to do so as well.

"Under normal circumstances, Gingrich would have some real problems with the social-conservative community," says Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council. "But these aren’t normal circumstances."

259 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:53:42pm

I mentioned the other night about the recent BBC special on Steinbeck. It's a superb show.

If it played on American TV, major networks prime time so 20 million + households would watch it, then I suspect that one show could do more to help Americans understand why the current tea partying GOP roll-back-to-the-1920's policies are absurd, than everything OWS has done to date.

But of course it won't be shown on American TV and most Americans will remain blissfully ignorant of their own history as they luxuriate in being entertained about Ancient Aliens founding Egypt, and with Justin Bieber being given another meaningless award.

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:56:13pm

re: #253 ggt

They weren't co-oped by a major political party and don't have any candidates using their name . . .

therefore, they must be irrelevant . . .

//

No, therefore they must be stabbie rape-ie hippie trust fund marxists who simply need a billy club and pepper spray in the face.

261 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:57:46pm

re: #256 freetoken

I'm not sure the whole loosely defined movement has been coherent enough to make a single "they".

The whole thing just strikes me as too faddish. The institutions which are long lived and which supposedly look out for the interests of their parties - e.g., unions, associations, etc. - perhaps have fallen short in performing their duties and really making the points that need to be made to the entire electorate. Yet, I don't see where the OWS organizers have really taken over that responsibility either.

re: #253 ggt

I realize you put the "//" in there, but what you wrote about parties has more importance than you're giving it, IMO.

Unless you can affect legislation all the drum circles just won't go anywhere, and the crowds will lose interest in drum circles soon enough.

Agreed. Ultimately changing things means participating in the political process. The problem with that is that those who really participate (as opposed to protest politics such as those of Ron Paul) tend to end up a good bit less attractive to idealists due to their having compromised to actually get something done.

262 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:58:48pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evangelicals Flocking Toward Newt Gingrich

Dear Evangelicals,

Please continue to back Newt Gingrich. Also, please vote for him so he becomes the GOP nominee. This will make our jobs that much easier.

Should you succeed in nominating Newt, we'll send Edible Arrangements your way. Please and thank you!

All our love,
Obama/Biden 2012

263 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:58:52pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evangelicals Flocking Toward Newt Gingrich
"Under normal circumstances, Gingrich would have some real problems with the social-conservative community," says Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council. "But these aren’t normal circumstances."

Right, because the circumstances are so extraordinary that the moral fabric of America will literally fall apart and shrivel away if good, God-fearing Americans don't rise up and defeat the tyrannical usurper in the White House, with his normal, two child family and faithful, heterosexual marriage.

His monstrous evil must be stopped.

264 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:58:56pm

BBC News did a short out-take to promote their show:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video

It's not a duplication of what is in the show, but an expansion of it.

265 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:00:38pm

Well, I hope y'alls day was better thanhow mine just ended.

*must not open bottle of whisky, must not open bottle of whisky*

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:00:43pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evangelicals Flocking Toward Newt Gingrich

Palin as Esther, Gingrich as David...

Oy.

I mean, I agree with the basic point, that God acts through people who are not morally perfect, but did this guy really need to come to that realization just in time to use it to justify supporting Newt for Prez?

267 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:02:02pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evangelicals Flocking Toward Newt Gingrich

"Under normal circumstances, Gingrich would have some real problems with the social-conservative community," says Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council. "But these aren’t normal circumstances."

You're right, Tony, in that these aren't normal circumstances for the GOP. Yet, you'd rather support a lying, hypocritical gasbag who cheated on and divorced more than one wife than to have to vote for a Mormon...

/stay classy, you bigoted hypocrites

268 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:04:00pm

re: #267 talon_262

Yet, you'd rather support a lying, hypocritical gasbag who cheated on and divorced more than one wife than to have to vote for a Mormon...

That's perfectly normal for the evangelical base of the GOP. God will forgive everything except being a Mormon, don'tcha know.

///

269 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:04:56pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Baloney. Numerous proposals including restoring banking regulations (Glass Steagal--Dodd Frank)have become a part of the dialog from Occupy. Plus many other proposals that any right leaning person like myself would not like. Oh well. That's beside the point.

270 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:05:13pm

re: #259 freetoken

I mentioned the other night about the recent BBC special on Steinbeck. It's a superb show.

If it played on American TV, major networks prime time so 20 million + households would watch it, then I suspect that one show could do more to help Americans understand why the current tea partying GOP roll-back-to-the-1920's policies are absurd, than everything OWS has done to date.

But of course it won't be shown on American TV and most Americans will remain blissfully ignorant of their own history as they luxuriate in being entertained about Ancient Aliens founding Egypt, and with Justin Bieber being given another meaningless award.

Steinbeck is a national treasure. Let's keep hammering away at the great, ambivalent electorate. Hammer and tongs.

271 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:05:52pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I think OWS betrayed its own lack of confidence by not proposing real concrete economic proposals. They intentionally kept things vague because the real solutions were too dull and complicated. It was more important to maintain a leftists party atmosphere rather provide solutions.

It was also that they adopted a decision making structure that was slow and cumbersome, and had such a high threshhold for adopting any proposals (in most Occupy groups it was 80%, as opposed to the US Senate which can override a presidential veto with 67%) that any proposal had to be vague in order to get approval. Any such proposals would have also necessitated a leadership emerging, if only to bring those proposals to the relevant political and business figures. Such leaders would have needed to command enough authority so as to negotiate at least minor points without consultation with the rest of Occupy.

Moreover, any such leaders would find themselves under fierce political attack in short order. a leader might leave the encampment looking like a young idealist, but to at least 55% of the country he'd look like a crazed Communist radical once Karl Rove and Crossroads GPS got done with him.

272 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:07:19pm

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

Baloney.

Horse Hockey!

273 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:08:15pm

re: #263 Renaissance_Man

Right, because the circumstances are so extraordinary that the moral fabric of America will literally fall apart and shrivel away if good, God-fearing Americans don't rise up and defeat the tyrannical usurper in the White House, with his normal, two child family and faithful, heterosexual marriage.

His monstrous evil must be stopped.

It's all a false flag! He's really a Seekrit Kenyan Mooslim Commie Nazi Overlord who has usurped the rightful place of a white man in the White House.

Why do you hate America?

///

274 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:09:47pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Horse Hockey!

Colonel Potter, is that you?

/Hawkeye, Trapper John, and B.J. sends their regards

275 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:15:04pm

I'm kind of surprised those BBC News videos didn't get more play. I don't remember them being posted here.

Perhaps, if the BBC had put Justin Bieber as the narrator, that would have gotten more of an audience?

276 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:17:16pm

"I see a lot of parallels between King David and Newt Gingrich"


please tell me that this will be one of Newt's campaign ads

the inadvertant comedy of wingnuts never ends

277 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:19:57pm

re: #276 wilburs

Perhaps Newt could reconfirm his dickishness by holding up thousands of foreskins from his fallen enemies?

278 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:20:35pm

re: #275 freetoken

I'm kind of surprised those BBC News videos didn't get more play. I don't remember them being posted here.

Perhaps, if the BBC had put Justin Bieber as the narrator, that would have gotten more of an audience?

Even better: I'm pretty sure that probably aired in prime time in the UK. In America anything without a laugh track or a reality show will never take up valuable airtime on a major network in prime time viewing hours.

279 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:22:35pm

re: #278 Killgore Trout

It's like all those comparisons of Time magazine covers. Juante linked to one example, but there are many. While all the international versions of Time have cover stories on serious international issues, the US version has covers of feel good stories.

Americans are in full escape mode, from the creationists to the "reality" show addicts.

280 sagehen  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:23:05pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I think OWS betrayed its own lack of confidence by not proposing real concrete economic proposals. They intentionally kept things vague because the real solutions were too dull and complicated. It was more important to maintain a leftists party atmosphere rather provide solutions.

They *said* they intentionally kept things vague because blah blah... really, they kept things vague because that twinkle consensus method just doesn't lend itself to putting forth specific pragmatic action items. I mean, c'mon, Matt Taibbi came up with a great list of specific policy suggestions, so did Bruce Bartlett, so did lots of people. But how do you spent 40 minutes explaining you proposal, from scratch, through the "mic check mic check" crowd repetition?

(and as long as we're at the OWS portion of the evening, here's a vid:)

Youtube Video
281 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:25:52pm

re: #280 sagehen

Too Big to Fail (OWS)

Less popular than the Tea Party is definitely not too bog to fail. It is fail.

282 wilburs  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:26:00pm

re: #277 freetoken

Perhaps Newt could reconfirm his dickishness by holding up thousands of foreskins from his fallen enemies?

LOL

I guess this relegates Callista to the role of Bathsheba

And they wonder why we laugh at them

283 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:26:19pm

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Even better: I'm pretty sure that probably aired in prime time in the UK. In America anything without a laugh track or a reality show will never take up valuable airtime on a major network in prime time viewing hours.

Community, Parks & Recreation, The Office ...

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:31:28pm

re: #277 freetoken

Perhaps Newt could reconfirm his dickishness by holding up thousands of foreskins from his fallen enemies?

Can he exchange those for his next wife, though? David did.

285 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:32:34pm

re: #279 freetoken

It's like all those comparisons of Time magazine covers. Juante linked to one example, but there are many. While all the international versions of Time have cover stories on serious international issues, the US version has covers of feel good stories.

Americans are in full escape mode, from the creationists to the "reality" show addicts.

We've been in full escape mode for ages. It's why people protesting very real injustices are just a bunch of Marxist trust fund hippies who like rape and stabby stab, and why the American media will get bent out of shape over the latest tabloid drama but they'll ignore the far more serious Euro crisis.

There's a reason I started going outside of the US for news. It's why I podcast the BBC and watch broadcasts from around the world instead. At least then I might get something more than just gossip about Twilight and Justin Bieber and more than just a bunch of self-satisfied pundits on TV.

286 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:33:34pm

re: #279 freetoken

It's like all those comparisons of Time magazine covers. Juante linked to one example, but there are many. While all the international versions of Time have cover stories on serious international issues, the US version has covers of feel good stories.

Americans are in full escape mode, from the creationists to the "reality" show addicts.

Americans don't want to hear about the rest of the world these days. I can understand why at times, since all they ever seem to read is about America either getting kicked by events, or about people who want to kick us. It goes against the normal human desire to feel that some good can come of things and that a person has at least some people who like her or him.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:35:15pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Americans don't want to hear about the rest of the world these days. I can understand why at times, since all they ever seem to read is about America either getting kicked by events, or about people who want to kick us. It goes against the normal human desire to feel that some good can come of things and that a person has at least some people who like her or him.

There's an old joke told, about a little old Jewish lady who sits out on her stoop every evening, reading The Klansman. Someone finally asks her why, and she says she likes it better than the regular news. The news in The Klansman is great. The Jews are rich, and control everything.

288 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:35:32pm

re: #285 Lidane

We've been in full escape mode for ages. It's why people protesting very real injustices are just a bunch of Marxist trust fund hippies who like rape and stabby stab, and why the American media will get bent out of shape over the latest tabloid drama but they'll ignore the far more serious Euro crisis.

There's a reason I started going outside of the US for news. It's why I podcast the BBC and watch broadcasts from around the world instead. At least then I might get something more than just gossip about Twilight and Justin Bieber and more than just a bunch of self-satisfied pundits on TV.

Urgh.
If the major nets dropped coverage of the Twihards and Bierberbabies E! would become the most trusted name in news in an instant....

Mind you, that being said I do watch E! News, The Soup and Chelsea Lately on E!

289 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:39:18pm

re: #263 Renaissance_Man

Right, because the circumstances are so extraordinary that the moral fabric of America will literally fall apart and shrivel away if good, God-fearing Americans don't rise up and defeat the tyrannical usurper in the White House, with his normal, two child family and faithful, heterosexual marriage.

His monstrous evil must be stopped.

Of course, he pardons Islamic terrorist turkeys!

290 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:40:25pm

I need my occasional dose of trash or i'd go stark staring mad. Again.

[Link: www.thesouptv.com...]

291 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:44:06pm

re: #280 sagehen

They *said* they intentionally kept things vague because blah blah... really, they kept things vague because that twinkle consensus method just doesn't lend itself to putting forth specific pragmatic action items. I mean, c'mon, Matt Taibbi came up with a great list of specific policy suggestions, so did Bruce Bartlett, so did lots of people. But how do you spent 40 minutes explaining you proposal, from scratch, through the "mic check mic check" crowd repetition?

(and as long as we're at the OWS portion of the evening, here's a vid:)

[Video]

Nicely done.

292 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:44:26pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Americans don't want to hear about the rest of the world these days. I can understand why at times, since all they ever seem to read is about America either getting kicked by events, or about people who want to kick us. It goes against the normal human desire to feel that some good can come of things and that a person has at least some people who like her or him.

That's about the most insecure thing I've read in years. Americans shouldn't have to read about the rest of the world because it will hurt their fragile egos? What do you think this country is? A bunch of fucking pussies? Fuck you.

293 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:45:04pm

re: #290 wozzablog

I need my occasional dose of trash or i'd go stark staring mad. Again.

[Link: www.thesouptv.com...]

The Soup is very funny and Chelsea is quite the raunchy one. Her first book is funny, "Are You There Vodka, It's Me Chelsea.
Hope your day is better tomorrow!

294 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:49:48pm

re: #293 prairiefire

The Soup is very funny and Chelsea is quite the raunchy one. Her first book is funny, "Are You There Vodka, It's Me Chelsea.
Hope your day is better tomorrow!

Day started with a tummy flu scare and ended with a "talk" with the girlfriend. If things don't get better - doesn't bear thinking about really.

But in happier news....
[Link: www.thesouptv.com...]

295 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:51:11pm

re: #292 darthstar

Americans shouldn't have to read about the rest of the world because it will hurt their fragile egos?

To be fair, that's how our media is set up. Just watch cable news sometime. They'll spend hours or days or weeks talking about some minor political drama here in the States, but more serious stories, like Greece imploding and the Euro economy on the brink of collapse merits nothing.

The New Zealand earthquakes barely rated a mention on the news. The Japanese earthquakes and nuclear meltdowns were a story for a while, but eventually faded from the news as well. Haiti? Pfft. Africa? Barely a mention unless it's about American conservatives supporting the Lord's Resistance Army without knowing a damned thing about it because they're fucking morons who think the LRA are Christians.

We simply don't want to hear the bad news around the world because it fucks up the narrative about America being the center of the world and the main focus of everyone else on the planet. The idea that other countries have their own shit going on doesn't even register for most people.

296 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:52:21pm

re: #285 Lidane

There's a reason I started going outside of the US for news. It's why I podcast the BBC and watch broadcasts from around the world instead. At least then I might get something more than just gossip about Twilight and Justin Bieber and more than just a bunch of self-satisfied pundits on TV.

the first 40 secs are for you Lidane......
[Link: www.thesouptv.com...]

297 freetoken  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:53:11pm

Right now I'm not really centered on Americans' concerned about other countries... I just want our society to be more aware and educated about our own country.

298 Lidane  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:54:09pm

re: #296 wozzablog

the first 40 secs are for you Lidane...
[Link: www.thesouptv.com...]

Joel McHale is awesome.

Also, I'm hoping to get tickets to go see The Nerdist when they do a live podcast here in March. :D

299 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:54:29pm

re: #295 Lidane

So the media thinks we're a bunch of fucking pussies too...well, don't expect them to change anytime soon...the more ignorant they keep us, the easier we are to manage for their advertisers.

300 darthstar  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:55:44pm

Bed time...this shit is pissing me off...again.

301 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:58:44pm

re: #299 darthstar

And here's a second downding for your ugly and unwarrented insult.

302 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Nov 27, 2011 10:56:57pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Americans don't want to hear about the rest of the world these days. I can understand why at times, since all they ever seem to read is about America either getting kicked by events, or about people who want to kick us. It goes against the normal human desire to feel that some good can come of things and that a person has at least some people who like her or him.

America is nothing if not willfully, proudly ignorant :D

303 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 28, 2011 1:41:49am

re: #63 PhillyPretzel

"why haven't we heard of this guy"

Very few people are interested in an Ivy Leaguer who speaks Mandarin.

We could do worse. Not speaking Mandarin is hardly a qualification.

304 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 28, 2011 1:50:15am

re: #262 Lidane

Dear Evangelicals,

Please continue to back Newt Gingrich. Also, please vote for him so he becomes the GOP nominee. This will make our jobs that much easier.

Should you succeed in nominating Newt, we'll send Edible Arrangements your way. Please and thank you!

All our love,
Obama/Biden 2012

Oh dear, here we go again with this tactical thinking. Newt isn't as unfit for office as Bachmann or Ron Paul, but he'd make a sorry president.

Before backing a nominee of the "wrong" party who's likelier to lose but also likely to be a lot worse at the presidency than the other choice, it's a good idea to think about what if he won.

What if Gingrich were to win? There's things that could happen that would make a Republican victory all but inevitable, no matter who their nominee might be.

Disastrous economic stats, setbacks in war, scandals---the list is endless, even if every item on it is quite improbable.

It is in the vital national interest that neither party try to throw the nomination of the other party to someone who is unfit for the presidency. We only have to go badly wrong once, after all.

305 Lidane  Mon, Nov 28, 2011 9:04:25am

re: #304 lostlakehiker

Newt doesn't stand a chance. The only reason he's surging in the polls is because the GOP base doesn't want to nominate Romney.

Gingrich was tossed aside and marginalized by the Republicans for over a decade and now he's suddenly relevant again? Please. He's hated by his own party, but is a name alternative to the only candidate on the GOP side who would actually be competitive with Obama.

The guy's an asshole. Personal failings aside, he's talking about giving immigration control to local boards, gutting child labor laws, and a whole host of bad ideas that would send sensible people running for the hills. Let the GOP nominate him if they're that stupid and suicidal. There's a reason the man is hated by his own party.


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