Right Wing Media Blatantly Distort Hacked ‘Climategate’ Emails (Again)

Right wing character assassination of climate scientists
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Here’s an excellent, detailed piece on the blatant lies being pushed by right wing media about the so-called “Climategate” emails, comparing the actual emails to the right’s out of context, deliberately distorted quotes. The level of outright dishonesty is shocking: ‘Climategate’ Redux: Conservative Media Distort Hacked Emails … Again.

Here’s one example out of many:

Cropped Email Falsely Suggests Scientist Said Science Was “Manipulated” In IPCC Report. Emails by then-Met Office scientist Peter Thorne to Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia in February 2005 were cropped to say:

<1939> Thorne/MetO:

Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary […]

<3066> Thorne:

I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run. [Email excerpts, accessed 11/28/11]

Concerns Were Expressed About First Draft, Addressed In Final Version. This exchange was about the first draft, called the “zero order draft,” of a section on upper-air temperatures in the 2007 IPCC report. Thorne said “we need to communicate the uncertainty” and later added:

At this stage I’m pretty sure we can reconcile these things relatively simply. However, I certainly would be unhappy to be associated with it if the current text remains through final draft - I’m absolutely positive it won’t. [Emails 1939 and 3066, 4/2/05]

The final draft of the chapter noted that there are “substantial” “uncertainties” in this area, indicating that Thorne’s critique was incorporated into the chapter by the time it was released two years later:

Within the community that constructs and actively analyses satellite- and radiosonde-based temperature records there is agreement that the uncertainties about long-term change are substantial. Changes in instrumentation and protocols pervade both sonde and satellite records, obfuscating the modest long-term trends. Historically there is no reference network to anchor the record and establish the uncertainties arising from these changes - many of which are both barely documented and poorly understood. Therefore, investigators have to make seemingly reasonable choices of how to handle these sometimes known but often unknown influences. It is difficult to make quantitatively defensible judgments as to which, if any, of the multiple, independently derived estimates is closer to the true climate evolution. This reflects almost entirely upon the inadequacies of the historical observing network and points to the need for future network design that provides the reference sonde-based ground truth. [IPCC AR4, WG1, Chapter 3, 2007]

The Thorne emails were quoted out of context by the following media outlets:

Fox News’ Special Report, 11/29/11
foxnews.com, 11/22/11
Forbes, 11/23/11
National Review Online, 11/28/11
The Washington Times, 11/29/11
Hot Air, 11/22/11
Newsbusters, 11/22/11
American Thinker, 11/23/11
The New American, 11/23/11
glennbeck.com, 11/23/11

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305 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:37:04pm

Conservatives don’t get or like science—and they never will. Science says things that they don’t argee with.

2 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:52:27pm

Quote mining is what the Right does. Creationists have made a fine art of quote mining scientists and distorting what they say.

3 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:00:19pm

I think Jeremy Clarkson is trolling

whatever increases the righteousness of the working class and makes rich guys look terrible, I’m all for it :D

4 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:08:59pm

re: #3 WindUpBird

I think Jeremy Clarkson is trolling

whatever increases the righteousness of the working class and makes rich guys look terrible, I’m all for it :D

He appears to want to be Mellon Reincarnated.

[L]iquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate… it will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people.

5 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:10:11pm

Even the excerpts taken out of context show that these individuals were concerned with showing true and verifiable data rather than questionable data that seemed to support the AGW theory but that might be proved false later.

Reading between the lines of the final statement on this data as published by the IPCC says that it lacks any reference and is therefore worthless in regards to any utility in climate models.

So where is the scandal, where is the political spin, where is the unethical behavior I keep hearing about from the Deniers?

Oops, once again their manufactured “outrageous outrage” never existed at all in the actual world that (hopefully) the majority of us live in.

6 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:27:39pm

the coming of the antiChrist will be easily perped on America….many will fall for that in a NY second

7 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:31:33pm

re: #6 albusteve

the coming of the antiChrist will be easily perped on America…many will fall for that in a NY second

I think America itself is the antiChrist :D

8 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:31:35pm

///You know if these people would take up a collection where they put a nickle in a jar every time they’re caught lying, we could then use that jar to pay off America’s debt…

9 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:46:26pm

re: #7 WindUpBird

I think America itself is the antiChrist :D

may be…in the meantime, I’ll happily go about the business of entertaining myself….I don’t really look at Americans through a political prism, I just travel around with a smile on my face

10 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:47:23pm

re: #3 WindUpBird

I think Jeremy Clarkson is trolling

whatever increases the righteousness of the working class and makes rich guys look terrible, I’m all for it :D

Image: Can_t+Tell+if+Trolling.jpg

11 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:49:31pm

re: #3 WindUpBird

It’s always so hard to tell with Clarkson. He’s such a douche either way. He seems just really nihilistic, or hedonistic, does not give a shit as long as he’s getting his jollies.

12 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:50:53pm

re: #11 Obdicut

It’s always so hard to tell with Clarkson. He’s such a douche either way. He seems just really nihilistic, or hedonistic, does not give a shit as long as he’s getting his jollies money.

fify

13 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:52:17pm

re: #9 albusteve

may be…in the meantime, I’ll happily go about the business of entertaining myself…I don’t really look at Americans through a political prism, I just travel around with a smile on my face

We’re all riding the same crazy train

14 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:52:20pm

test

15 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:52:26pm

if talking media heads impose their will and rule the world then that’s that….I’m going fishing, you can kill me later

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:53:50pm

re: #11 Obdicut

It’s always so hard to tell with Clarkson. He’s such a douche either way. He seems just really nihilistic, or hedonistic, does not give a shit as long as he’s getting his jollies.

I think that’s it :D I just put him in the same category as any rock star who says crazy shit. He’s paid to be a zany personality, that’s what he does


I share his taste in cars, he reviewed the Vauxhall VXR/2004 Pontiac GTO very favorably

17 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:54:02pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

We’re all riding the same crazy train

politics is like sex…too easy to over think it and get yourself all messed up

18 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:54:22pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

test

recieving, roger, over

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 1:57:35pm

Norway too: Norway shuts embassy

I don’t think this is just about the British embassy attack. Europeans are shutting down their embassies in preparation for something.

Unclear if Israel would tell US ahead of a strike

The top US military officer told Reuters on Wednesday he did not know whether Israel would alert the United States ahead of time if it decided to take military action against Iran.

General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also acknowledged differences in perspective between the United States and Israel over the best way to handle Iran and its nuclear program

20 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:00:58pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Norway too: Norway shuts embassy

I don’t think this is just about the British embassy attack. Europeans are shutting down their embassies in preparation for something.

Unclear if Israel would tell US ahead of a strike

tick tock
tick tock

21 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:03:49pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

So dozens of Israeli strike fighters and bombers are going to just fly over Iraq and bomb Iran and than back over Iraq to get home without a green light? Besides the strikes will take days, or be left unfinished. Seems unlikely to me.

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:04:49pm

re: #7 WindUpBird

I think America itself is the antiChrist :D

Think big. How about an international corporation? It has legal personhood.

23 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:05:29pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

So dozens of Israeli strike fighters and bombers are going to just fly over Iraq and bomb Iran and than back over Iraq to get home without a green light? Besides the strikes will take days, or be left unfinished. Seems unlikely to me.

it is unlikely if not impossible….what makes it to the media are the seeds and stems….the US knows exactly what Israel is doing

24 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:06:35pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

I could also see it as possible, considering how closed Iran is right now, that the Government could be beginning to do a final plunge, and everyone is getting out before things get real crappy.

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:07:03pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

So dozens of Israeli strike fighters and bombers are going to just fly over Iraq and bomb Iran and than back over Iraq to get home without a green light? Besides the strikes will take days, or be left unfinished. Seems unlikely to me.

It’s theoretically possible using either Iraqi or Turkish airspace. They could use drones of missiles. Drones are possibility as are missile strikes. I’m not sure what the possibilities are.

26 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:07:44pm

Right wing media? That means it’s time for a dick joke…

A 65-year-old man walked into a crowded waiting room and approached the desk.

The Receptionist said, ‘Yes sir, what are you seeing the Doctor for today?’

‘There’s something wrong with my dick’, he replied.

The receptionist became irritated and said, ‘You shouldn’t come into a crowded waiting room and say things like that. ’

‘Why not, you asked me what was wrong and I told you,’ he said.

The Receptionist replied; ‘Now you’ve caused some embarrassment in this room full of people. You should have said there is something wrong with your ear or something and discussed the problem further with the Doctor in private.’

The man replied, ‘You shouldn’t ask people questions in a roomful of strangers, if the answer could embarrass anyone. The man walked out, waited several minutes, and then re-entered.

The Receptionist smiled smugly and asked, ‘Yes??’

‘There’s something wrong with my ear,’ he stated.

The Receptionist nodded approvingly and smiled, knowing he had taken her advice.. ‘And what is wrong with your ear, Sir?’

‘I can’t piss out of it,’ he replied.

27 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:11:18pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

It’s theoretically possible using either Iraqi or Turkish airspace. They could use drones of missiles. Drones are possibility as are missile strikes. I’m not sure what the possibilities are.

all that stuff flying around up there will not go unnoticed…there is no reason to keep the US in the dark…we are not stupid…if it’s some massive, low level end around I can’t see the benefit…if nothing else the Jews would want our SAR capabilities…they value their pilots

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:12:32pm

re: #22 oaktree

Think big. How about an international corporation? It has legal personhood.

An amorphous entity that claims to be a person, yet cannot be killed!

I like your style

29 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:13:35pm

re: #28 WindUpBird

An amorphous entity that claims to be a person, yet cannot be killed!

I like your style

“How can we kill that… which has no life?”

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:13:43pm
31 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:13:57pm

wanna go for a ride?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:14:59pm

re: #31 albusteve

wanna go for a ride?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Ah, the Venom GT, based on an Exige

33 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:15:40pm

re: #31 albusteve

wanna go for a ride?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Does it come in all-wheel drive? For the snow, of course…

34 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:16:39pm

re: #32 WindUpBird

Ah, the Venom GT, based on an Exige

Exige is Lotus, right?

35 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:16:39pm

re: #33 darthstar

Does it come in all-wheel drive? For the snow, of course…

no, comes with skis

36 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #35 albusteve

no, comes with skis

VRROOOMMM

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:17:22pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Exige is Lotus, right?

yah

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:17:23pm

re: #31 albusteve

wanna go for a ride?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

One of those would partially explain the rapid exit of the Cain Campaign. Perhaps Perry is just trying to help.
/

I presume Cain dropping out will not render moot the investigation of the potential finance violations by said campaign?

39 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:17:41pm

re: #2 aagcobb

Climate scientists do really need to learn from the creationism/evolution battles, as the parallels are there and even many players are the same.

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:17:57pm

re: #38 oaktree

One of those would partially explain the rapid exit of the Cain Campaign. Perhaps Perry is just trying to help.
/

I presume Cain dropping out will not render moot the investigation of the potential finance violations by said campaign?

cashing in like palin

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:19:08pm

re: #39 freetoken

Climate scientists do really need to learn from the creationism/evolution battles, as the parallels are there and even many players are the same.

the problem is, when it’s science versus politics, politics always wins :/ Climate scientists don’t run think tanks or callbank in churches

42 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:19:12pm

re: #32 WindUpBird

Ah, the Venom GT, based on an Exige

Pretty sure it’s a Lambo dude.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:21:17pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

“Who’s the u-boat commander?”

44 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:21:48pm

In every corner of the US (and beyond), this disinformation campaign is grabbed by those who find it convenient.

Hot off the electronic press:

5,000 emails from climate ‘scientists’ unsettle the science of global warming: Kevin O’Brien

45 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:22:45pm

Katherine Heigl hates balls.

Watch until the end…ha!

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:24:23pm

re: #27 albusteve

all that stuff flying around up there will not go unnoticed…there is no reason to keep the US in the dark…we are not stupid…if it’s some massive, low level end around I can’t see the benefit…if nothing else the Jews would want our SAR capabilities…they value their pilots

I’m pretty sure if anything happens there will be plenty of cooperation and coordination.

47 Lidane  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:24:56pm

re: #29 oaktree

“How can we kill that… which has no life?”

Good question, considering Goodhair still has a campaign:

As His Poll Numbers Tank, Perry Adopts Populist Rhetoric: Calls For Jailing Bankers

48 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:25:53pm

BTW, one of the press briefings last night at COP17 was by a group specifically tackling these things, as they label it, the disinformation campaign:


[Link: unfccc4.meta-fusion.com…]


The problem is, a gathering of academics is a pretty anemic response to a well designed and funded propaganda program.

49 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:26:43pm

Bad Science In Texas Gets It’s Comeuppence (courtesy of a welsh schoolboy).

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

50 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:27:04pm

re: #49 wozzablog

(i will start making pages at some point)

51 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:28:49pm

Speaking of dick jokes…it looks like there are still some Republicans who like to get their penis the old fashioned way…by trading meth for it.

Drug task-force officers were “visually monitoring” the deal when the 68-year-old former national Sheriff of the Year delivered methamphetamine to an Aurora home and sought sex in return, said current Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson.

“This shows that no one is above the law, particularly a current or a former peace officer,” Robinson said.

Robinson said Sullivan had an ongoing relationship with the man as well as other men he had a history of bonding out of jails in the metro region.

Irony alert:
Sullivan is being held on $250,000 bail in the jail that bears his name, the Patrick J. Sullivan Jr. Detention Facility.

52 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:28:51pm

re: #47 Lidane

Good question, considering Goodhair still has a campaign:

As His Poll Numbers Tank, Perry Adopts Populist Rhetoric: Calls For Jailing Bankers

Ain’t that just cute?

53 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:28:57pm

re: #48 freetoken

BTW, one of the press briefings last night at COP17 was by a group specifically tackling these things, as they label it, the disinformation campaign:

[Link: unfccc4.meta-fusion.com…]

The problem is, a gathering of academics is a pretty anemic response to a well designed and funded propaganda program.

basically, they’ve won

55 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:31:18pm

re: #51 darthstar

shades of Marion Barry

56 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:31:36pm

omg alex jones was correct all along! this vindicates him!


////

57 sagehen  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:32:46pm

Germany’s largest, most respected newsmagazine is aghast at what the Republicans are putting on offer:

“Africa is a country. The Taliban rule in Libya. Muslims are terrorists. Immigrants are mostly criminals, Occupy Wall Street protesters are always dirty. And women who claim to have been sexually molested should kindly keep quiet.”

Welcome to the wonderful world of the Republican Party. Or rather: to the distorted world of its presidential campaign. For months it has coiled through the country like a traveling circus, from debate to debate, from scandal to scandal, contesting the mightiest office in the world — and nothing is ever too unfathomable for them… These eight presidential wannabes are happy enough not only to demolish their own reputations but also that of their party, the once worthy party of Abraham Lincoln. They are also ruining the reputation of the United States.

58 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:33:22pm

re: #47 Lidane

Good question, considering Goodhair still has a campaign:

As His Poll Numbers Tank, Perry Adopts Populist Rhetoric: Calls For Jailing Bankers

re: #54 Lidane

Cain: You’ll Know In A Week Whether I’m Still A Candidate

So now it looks like a race between Newt and Romney…and Crazy Uncle Ron, if you believe in miracles. The GOP is absolutely fraked.

59 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:33:35pm

re: #53 albusteve

basically, they’ve won

It’s even more basic than that - “they” win by default. That is, the path of least resistance wrt AGW is simply doing nothing about preventing it. Since humans take, unless forced otherwise, the path of least resistance, “their” victory has been all but assured from the beginning.

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:35:23pm

re: #58 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #54 Lidane


So now it looks like a race between Newt and Romney…and Crazy Uncle Ron, if you believe in miracles. The GOP is absolutely fraked.

An interesting choice of words. Though you do get the impression that someone has been injecting chemicals into the GOP to accelerate hydralic fracturing.
//

61 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:35:32pm

re: #59 freetoken

It’s even more basic than that - “they” win by default. That is, the path of least resistance wrt AGW is simply doing nothing about preventing it. Since humans take, unless forced otherwise, the path of least resistance, “their” victory has been all but assured from the beginning.

used to argue that with Ludwig…infuriated him…
well back to curly lightbulbs eh?

62 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:36:37pm

re: #57 sagehen

Germany’s largest, most respected newsmagazine is aghast at what the Republicans are putting on offer:

It’s not just the Spiegel, btw. Pretty much the whole German press. If and when they are paying attention.

63 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:37:48pm

re: #54 Lidane

Cain: You’ll Know In A Week Whether I’m Still A Candidate

We know now. Cain may know in a week whether he’s still a candidate, but it’s obvious to everyone else.

64 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:38:06pm

re: #62 000G

It’s not just the Spiegel, btw. Pretty much the whole German press. If and when they are paying attention.

UK Telegraph was pissing it’s pants laughing the other week.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:39:06pm

re: #62 000G

It’s not just the Spiegel, btw. Pretty much the whole German press. If and when they are paying attention.

The Germans are pretty aware that any sort of economic meltdown in the US will take them and the rest of the world with it. We’re still the elephant in the room in that regard. And there is little hope of a meaningful recovery in Europe regardless of what they do with the spectre of a US messing things up further looming to the west.

66 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:39:53pm

re: #63 darthstar

We know now. Cain may know in a week whether he’s still a candidate, but it’s obvious to everyone else.

It’s basically Cain signaling to those still in the race that the bidding war for his nomination, and thus the remainder of his dwindling support base, has begun.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:40:00pm

re: #65 oaktree

it’s all so exciting!

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:40:30pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

it’s all so exciting!

Yes, we are living in interesting times.

69 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:42:25pm

Ron Paul does not approve:

Central banks move to stabilize financial system

The central banks of the wealthiest countries, trying to prevent a debt crisis in Europe from exploding into a global panic, swept in Wednesday to shore up the world financial system by making it easier for banks to borrow American dollars.

70 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:42:31pm

Have there ever been uninteresting times?

71 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:42:46pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

it’s all so exciting!

I’m pissing myself, out of control….
(I love posting on a board of political junkies)

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:42:55pm

re: #68 oaktree

Yes, we are living in interesting times.

Welp, back to the escapist drawings


see you all after the implosion

73 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:43:51pm

re: #56 000G

omg alex jones was correct all along! this vindicates him!

[Video]
///

Military strikes on Iran is probably the easiest prediction in the world. Hell, I thought we were past the point of no return 4 years ago. I’m surprised it’s gone this long. I’m kind of hesitant to start thinking something’s going to happen soon but it’s really starting to look like it.

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:44:09pm

re: #70 000G

Have there ever been uninteresting times?

Good question.

Probably a matter of perspective and scope.

75 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:46:42pm

re: #74 oaktree

Probably a matter of perspective and scope.

Time to kick back and read some Zuhangzi.

76 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:46:57pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Military strikes on Iran is probably the easiest prediction in the world. Hell, I thought we were past the point of no return 4 years ago. I’m surprised it’s gone this long. I’m kind of hesitant to start thinking something’s going to happen soon but it’s really starting to look like it.

something has to happen…as usual, it’s gone on too long

77 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:47:58pm

I somehow got on the “Americans For Prosperity” Koch spam email list. I would block them, but their emails are useful in knowing what to be against.

Here is the latest Derp:

Free our kids’ education from union stranglehold—support lifting charter school cap.

The Michigan House is preparing to vote on legislation that would expand education choices … and help free our kids’ education from the stranglehold of unions.

TAKE ACTION, click here.

Senate Bill 618 would lift the arbitrary cap of 150 on the number of charter schools that can be authorized by universities. It would also:

• Eliminate a provision mandating union collective bargaining for certain charter schools
• Reduce restrictions on where charter schools may be located
• Require more transparency by charter schools
• Exempt charter schools from property taxes like other public schools

The bottomline? This bill will give more Michigan families the opportunity to choose from quality educational options for their children and improve public education in Michigan. Urge your lawmaker to support Senate Bill 618.

Heh. Just emailed my state senator to vote against 618, which he probably will because he’s a Democrat.

78 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:48:13pm
79 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:53:49pm

re: #75 000G

Time to kick back and read some Zuhangzi.

Interesting link.

And I guess I did make an answer that would fall into the category of ‘perspectival relativism’.

80 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:54:37pm

re: #79 oaktree

Interesting link.

And I guess I did make an answer that would fall into the category of ‘perspectival relativism’.

LOL!…good grief

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:54:47pm

re: #76 albusteve

something has to happen…as usual, it’s gone on too long

Sometimes the best action is not to take action. Knowing when this is so is often the difficulty.

82 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:55:20pm

BTW, this obsession with needing to have every increasing prices of stocks and other assets - with increases greater than the population increase - is just another example of human magickal thinking.

Increase in prices is simply inflation if there is not a proportional increase in productivity (for things that are produced) or a decrease in availability (for source limited items, like rare gems, whose production can’t be increased.)

83 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:55:40pm

re: #81 oaktree

Sometimes the best action is not to take action. Knowing when this is so is often the difficulty.

not taking action 3 years ago has benefited humanity how?

84 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:56:04pm

re: #70 000G

Have there ever been uninteresting times?

SFZ asked almost the exact same question earlier. My response:

Yes, any time there wasn’t anything particularly dramatic happening in your life :) Multiplied by several 100 million people, of course.

What makes these times - and the humanity’s most likely future - “interesting” is that they’ll represent the first time we had wonderful stuff and potential beyond our wildest dreams, and stupidly, maddeningly, threw it all away.

Just imagine going from today’s technology to a dark ages or even prehistoric scenario in about 100 years. Civilizations may rise and fall, but there’s absolutely no parallel to that degree of change in all of human history.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:58:26pm

re: #82 freetoken

BTW, this obsession with needing to have every increasing prices of stocks and other assets - with increases greater than the population increase - is just another example of human magickal thinking.

Increase in prices is simply inflation if there is not a proportional increase in productivity (for things that are produced) or a decrease in availability (for source limited items, like rare gems, whose production can’t be increased.)

Aren’t the rare gem markets (or at least especially diamonds) highly manipulated by cartels that strictly control the supply side of the market to keep prices high? And also carry out a lot of marketing to stroke the demand side and make people at large think that their product is a cultural necessity. As such that strikes me as a poor analogy to use.

86 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:58:48pm

re: #57 sagehen

Germany’s largest, most respected newsmagazine is aghast at what the Republicans are putting on offer:

The TPGOP are the helm of the SS Wingnuttia, a supertanker full of fail, that is headed straight for the rocks.

87 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:59:34pm

Any Lizards in the L.A. area? If so, be ready to hunker down.

85-mph winds, fire danger forecast for Los Angeles

// But AGW is just a myth.

88 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:00:09pm

re: #84 publicityStunted

Catastrophist!

89 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:03:00pm

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s basically Cain signaling to those still in the race that the bidding war for his nomination, and thus the remainder of his dwindling support base, has begun.

A Cain endorsement is probably worth less than half a busload of Iowa caucus goers.

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:03:05pm

re: #83 albusteve

not taking action 3 years ago has benefited humanity how?

By not triggering a Middle East-wide war, further terrorist assaults across the world, and dragging the US and probably Europe into another dead-end occupation of a country that we will not be able to successfully control and nation build in. With the matching political chaos at home while we bleed treasure into a hopeless military boondoggle fighting an insurgency and wrecking a country that does not want us there.

Which I suspect means that currently tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of human beings are currently alive who would otherwise not be.

(There, I can toss out the high flying rhetoric too. And I don’t think that result is an impossible scenario.)

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:03:54pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

On the one hand, I can’t imagine not being with my 4 year old.

On the other hand, you have to be messed up to lose custody of your child when you are the biological mother. Moms start out with de facto custody and have to lose it.

92 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:04:50pm

re: #89 darthstar

A Cain endorsement is probably worth less than half a busload of Iowa caucus goers.

Sixteen votes or so, wasn’t it?

93 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:04:59pm

re: #85 oaktree

Aren’t the rare gem markets (or at least especially diamonds) highly manipulated by cartels that strictly control the supply side of the market to keep prices high? And also carry out a lot of marketing to stroke the demand side and make people at large think that their product is a cultural necessity. As such that strikes me as a poor analogy to use.

everything and everybody is manipulated….how did the 1% become so fabulously wealthy?…by dumb luck?….you can wonder for thousands of posts if you want…the major govts of the world literally control the markets….seems pretty obvious to me…look at DeBeers and their relationship with S African govts for example….diamonds are a joke

94 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:06:21pm

re: #90 oaktree

By not triggering a Middle East-wide war, further terrorist assaults across the world, and dragging the US and probably Europe into another dead-end occupation of a country that we will not be able to successfully control and nation build in. With the matching political chaos at home while we bleed treasure into a hopeless military boondoggle fighting an insurgency and wrecking a country that does not want us there.

Which I suspect means that currently tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of human beings are currently alive who would otherwise not be.

(There, I can toss out the high flying rhetoric too. And I don’t think that result is an impossible scenario.)

I stopped at the ME war meme…don’t buy it

95 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:06:36pm

re: #92 oaktree

Sixteen votes or so, wasn’t it?

He came in 5th in the Ames…
5. Herman Cain (1456, 8.62%)

96 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:07:02pm

re: #93 albusteve

everything and everybody is manipulated…how did the 1% become so fabulously wealthy?…by dumb luck?…you can wonder for thousands of posts if you want…the major govts of the world literally control the markets…seems pretty obvious to me…look at DeBeers and their relationship with S African govts for example…diamonds are a joke

Especially when you can get a stone that literally sparkles just the same for a fraction of the cost. The marketing campaign that convinced us that lab-created diamonds are inferior to ones found in the ground was a masterful one.

97 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:07:22pm

re: #85 oaktree

While diamonds are a famous example of a monopoly controlled item, there are plenty of other rare minerals and gems that aren’t so controlled.

But even if the supply of an item is constrained by monopoly, the result is the same as a physical constraint - supply can’t be increased by the whim of the consumer.

I use “whim” purposefully because I see the past couple of days’ rise of equity prices as being very whimsical. The surge is the result of investors being carried along on the vagaries of the day - in today’s case that central bankers are making the dollar cheaper. But what about tomorrow, and the day after that, if the bankers don’t push some magic button? What happened to the idea that a company was worth buying because said company could produce a good product or service?

98 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:08:54pm

re: #96 EmmmieG

Especially when you can get a stone that literally sparkles just the same for a fraction of the cost. The marketing campaign that convinced us that lab-created diamonds are inferior to ones found in the ground was a masterful one.

the value of diamonds is completely regulated by a few brokers…there are tons of them sitting in warehouses…diamonds are not rare at all

99 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:10:48pm

sapphires, rubies, emeralds are where it’s at for investment…platinum is good too

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:11:33pm

re: #97 freetoken

While diamonds are a famous example of a monopoly controlled item, there are plenty of other rare minerals and gems that aren’t so controlled.

But even if the supply of an item is constrained by monopoly, the result is the same as a physical constraint - supply can’t be increased by the whim of the consumer.

I use “whim” purposefully because I see the past couple of days’ rise of equity prices as being very whimsical. The surge is the result of investors being carried along on the vagaries of the day - in today’s case that central bankers are making the dollar cheaper. But what about tomorrow, and the day after that, if the bankers don’t push some magic button? What happened to the idea that a company was worth buying because said company could produce a good product or service?

That perception drives markets is well known. Thus we have stuff like the Comsumer Confidence Index.

And stuff like the CCI will drive things in a broader sense than a well-run company can control. You could have a good product, well thought out set up, etc. but if the economy as a whole tanks you’re probably just in a position of hoping that you can ride things out and survive.

101 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:12:02pm

re: #99 albusteve

sapphires, rubies, emeralds are where it’s at for investment…platinum is good too

I put all my money in Iron Pyrite.

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:12:56pm

re: #101 darthstar

I put all my money in Iron Pyrite.

Mine is tied up in hot sauce and bread-n-butter jalapenos right now.
(only half joking)

103 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:13:04pm

re: #101 darthstar

I put all my money in Iron Pyrite.

Only $11.89 a POUND at Amazon.
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

104 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:13:04pm

re: #101 darthstar

I put all my money in Iron Pyrite.

That’s my new stage name!

105 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:13:22pm

re: #91 EmmmieG

“On the one hand, I can’t imagine not being with my 4 year old.”

After this is done and over, I don’t think she has an Ice Cubes chance in Hell of ever seeing him again. Unless she can show very strong evidence that she was taking this action to protect the Child from his Father, She has just screwed herself.

“On the other hand, you have to be messed up to lose custody of your child when you are the biological mother. Moms start out with de facto custody and have to lose it.”

That info will come out in the laundry when She goes to Court. Stand off is still in progress BTW.

* Edited to separate response from comments

106 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:13:41pm

re: #101 darthstar

I put all my money in Iron Pyrite.

I’m currently investing heavily in gunpowder

107 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:13:42pm
108 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:14:23pm

re: #106 albusteve

I’m currently investing heavily in gunpowder

You can store more of it if you mix it with water first, to remove the impurities.

109 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:14:49pm

cocaine is a big hitter too…
a bit more risk

110 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:15:37pm

re: #109 albusteve

cocaine is a big hitter too…
a bit more risk

Just don’t get high off your own supply. The Bankers learned that lesson with Credit Default Swaps.

111 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:15:41pm

re: #108 darthstar

You can store more of it if you mix it with water first, to remove the impurities.

and served over ice…it’s a blast!

112 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:16:42pm

horses for food is gonna be a winner

113 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:16:49pm

re: #100 oaktree

My lament is an old one and curmudgeon voices had aired it increasingly in the past couple of decades but even those curmudgeons have likely passed on.

It is simply this: what ever happened to fundamentals?

The current generation appears to not know the difference between an “investment” and “gambling”.

We see that in common day use of language - especially in the electronics toy sector, such as with cameras, and in particular with DSLRs. People will ask what camera they should “invest” in. What nonsense. With few exceptions such purchases ought to be treated as consumable items.

So, while it might sound quaintly anachronistic, I still propose that fundamentals are with what we really ought to concern ourselves.

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:17:00pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s plan for Iran: I Would Close Our (Non-Existent) Embassy In Iran

How does a member of Congress not know that?

115 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:17:30pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s plan for Iran: I Would Close Our (Non-Existent) Embassy In Iran

Wow.

She thinks we still have an embassy in Iran.

Rick Perry thinks the voting age is 21.

Herman Cain thinks China hasn’t got nukes.

I’m going to start telling people I’m Canadian. This is fucking embarrassing.

116 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:18:05pm

re: #112 albusteve

horses for food is gonna be a winner

Yep…lifted restrictions (thank you GOP!) will make that happen.

[Link: hosted.ap.org…]

TULSA, Okla. (AP) — Horses could soon be butchered in the U.S. for human consumption after Congress quietly lifted a 5-year-old ban on funding horse meat inspections, and activists say slaughterhouses could be up and running in as little as a month.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:18:23pm

re: #115 makeitstop

Wow.

She thinks we still have an embassy in Iran.

Rick Perry thinks the voting age is 21.

Herman Cain thinks China hasn’t got nukes.

I’m going to start telling people I’m Canadian. This is fucking embarrassing.

Or just tell them you are voting Huntsman.

118 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:18:33pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

How does a member of Congress not know that?

How does a member of the Intelligence Committee not know that?

119 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:18:33pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s plan for Iran: I Would Close Our (Non-Existent) Embassy In Iran

Has she no adult keepers?

120 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:18:47pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

How does a member of Congress not know that?

There’s an R next to their name for a reason.

121 wilburs  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:18:58pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s plan for Iran: I Would Close Our (Non-Existent) Embassy In Iran

And she’s on the Intelligence committee!

They may have to rename it

122 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:19:03pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

How does a member of Congress not know that?

MB is the republican version of laughing gas

123 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:19:14pm

re: #118 freetoken

How does a member of the Intelligence Committee not know that?

Maybe she’s trying to help Herman Cain lift his esteem.

124 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:19:22pm

re: #118 freetoken

How does a member of the Intelligence Committee not know that?

Yep. Seriously. Her ignorance is pathetic.

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:19:50pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Has she no adult keepers?

Actually I was just thinking we should have opened a dummy embassy in Tehran just so that the European ones would be spared.

Empty building full of mannequins wearing Hawaiian shirts and cameras around their necks with a big sign outside saying: Great Satan Embassy.

Give them something to lob tomatoes at.

Do they have tomatoes?

126 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:20:01pm

have another hit bro

127 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:20:01pm

Maybe she means we ought to take the piece of property which we had used as our embassy and eradicate it from the face of the planet, through some magic disintegration device?

128 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:20:07pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s plan for Iran: I Would Close Our (Non-Existent) Embassy In Iran

I saw that at TPM but she didn’t actually say she’d “close our embassy”:

Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, “we wouldn’t have an American embassy in Iran.” The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.

“We wouldn’t have an embassy” could mean she wouldn’t open one, too.

I hate to give Bachmann the benefit of the doubt, but TPM’s headline is a little misleading.

129 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:20:36pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

Actually I was just thinking we should have opened a dummy embassy in Tehran just so that the European ones would be spared.

Empty building full of mannequins wearing Hawaiian shirts and cameras around their necks with a big sign outside saying: Great Satan Embassy.

Give them something to lob tomatoes at.

Do they have tomatoes?

They have great pistachios.

130 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:21:10pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

They have great pistachios.

And apricots…and there are some great mountains for skiing.

131 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:21:21pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

How does a member of Congress not know that?

Stupidity, I suppose.

132 wilburs  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:21:21pm

re: #127 freetoken

Maybe she means we ought to take the piece of property which we had used as our embassy and eradicate it from the face of the planet, through some magic disintegration device?

I think it is now a museum

133 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:21:42pm

re: #128 Charles

I saw that at TPM but she didn’t actually say she’d “close our embassy”:

“We wouldn’t have an embassy” could mean she wouldn’t open one, too.

I hate to give Bachmann the benefit of the doubt, but TPM’s headline is a little misleading.

Ah, nice catch.

134 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:21:46pm

re: #128 Charles

Well, I guess that makes more sense.

Except… it still doesn’t make sense. We have embassies in countries not because we approve of them but because nations simply exist.

135 Lidane  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:22:34pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Bachmann’s plan for Iran: I Would Close Our (Non-Existent) Embassy In Iran

So the Iran hostage crisis never happened then?

Must be more of that Republican history. WTF.

136 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:22:34pm

re: #128 Charles

I saw that at TPM but she didn’t actually say she’d “close our embassy”:

“We wouldn’t have an embassy” could mean she wouldn’t open one, too.

I hate to give Bachmann the benefit of the doubt, but TPM’s headline is a little misleading.

Don’t give her much benefit. We wouldn’t have an embassy if she weren’t president, too.

137 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:23:02pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Don’t give her much benefit. We wouldn’t have an embassy if she weren’t president, too.

She’s not, and we don’t.

138 Lidane  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:23:14pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Has she no adult keepers?

Her husband clearly never gave her permission to read a history book. =P

139 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:23:31pm

re: #138 Lidane

Her husband clearly never gave her permission to read a history book. =P

In his defense, it had a lovely cover.

140 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:23:53pm

re: #113 freetoken

My lament is an old one and curmudgeon voices had aired it increasingly in the past couple of decades but even those curmudgeons have likely passed on.

It is simply this: what ever happened to fundamentals?

The current generation appears to not know the difference between an “investment” and “gambling”.

We see that in common day use of language - especially in the electronics toy sector, such as with cameras, and in particular with DSLRs. People will ask what camera they should “invest” in. What nonsense. With few exceptions such purchases ought to be treated as consumable items.

So, while it might sound quaintly anachronistic, I still propose that fundamentals are with what we really ought to concern ourselves.

Well, I think a major reason was that the markets went from being at least partially dividend driven to almost total equity value.

The latter drives from churn as you trade to make a few cents per share, then on and on from there where you therefore focus on what company will do over a very short period of time where fundamentals are a lot less important that the current perception (and how that might change.)

If you’re working based on dividends then you’re holding the stock for longer periods of time, more interested in the basis and long-term fundamentals of the company, and also generally only getting cash profits on a quarterly basis.

Either method is gambling (as any investment is), but it’s easier to claim that the latter is paying attention to “real” value.

141 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:24:06pm

Yeah, there’s nothing to suggest that Obama or any of her opponents (except maybe Paul) woul reopen the embassy and establish normal relations. MB probably thinks it’s Obama’s fault we have normal relations with China too.

142 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:24:06pm

re: #130 darthstar

And apricots…and there are some great mountains for skiing.

I don’t think Mr. Cain skis. Seems unfond of mountains.

143 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:24:22pm

re: #134 freetoken

Well, I guess that makes more sense.

Except… it still doesn’t make sense. We have embassies in countries not because we approve of them but because nations simply exist.

Well, at this rate by the end of the week nobody else is going to have an embassy in Tehran either. Everybody’s running for the hills. When Turkey closes their embassy it’s time to head to the bomb shelter.

144 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:25:09pm

re: #134 freetoken

Well, I guess that makes more sense.

Except… it still doesn’t make sense. We have embassies in countries not because we approve of them but because nations simply exist.

No, it still doesn’t make much sense, but it’s not the same as saying “I’d close our embassy in Iran.”

145 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:25:19pm

re: #113 freetoken

Fundamentalist!

146 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:25:37pm

MB jaded me

147 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:26:18pm

re: #145 000G

Fundamentalist!

*hangs head in shame*

148 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:26:29pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Yeah, there’s nothing to suggest that Obama or any of her His opponents (except maybe Paul) woul reopen the embassy and establish normal relations. MB probably thinks it’s Obama’s fault we have normal relations with China too.

FTFU

149 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:27:28pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

Major shit going down in Town today.

AMBER ALERT ISSUED: Police Search for Woman Accused of Kidnapping her Own Child

Now rescinded as they know where the Child and Mother are.

Police surround home where suspects are believed to be located in child abduction

Negotiations now under way.

Video from the scene where police are negotiating with child abductor suspects

I hope this ends well.

Oh wait, I thought this was about Mindy McCready. (The singer, not “Hitgirl” from “Kick Ass”)

150 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:27:28pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

FTFU

Ha true.

151 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:28:25pm

Speaking of the GOP candidates… an old faithful topic for them:

152 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:28:32pm

I have a ton of jade…hope the price goes up

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:29:14pm

re: #151 freetoken

Speaking of the GOP candidates… an old faithful topic for them:

[Video]

Does Rick know that his church by and large accepts evolution?

154 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:29:35pm

re: #152 albusteve

I have a ton of jade…hope the price goes up

As soon as I get done polishing these pieces of 7-up bottles I broke, I’ll sell you some more.

155 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:30:14pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Does Rick know that his church by and large accepts evolution?

Do they teach evolution in the US embassy in Iran?

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:30:26pm

re: #152 albusteve

I have a ton of jade…hope the price goes up

We’re invested in human capital. As in, our kids.

Their educations had better pay off, because we want out house to ourselves when we are old.

157 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:30:27pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Does Rick know that his church by and large accepts evolution?

Not by-and-large. Damn near universal, and supported from the Vatican.

158 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:30:38pm

re: #154 darthstar

As soon as I get done polishing these pieces of 7-up bottles I broke, I’ll sell you some more.

out of grass again?

159 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:31:18pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Does Rick know that his church by and large accepts evolution?

church to Santorum is like Vito’s Flower Shop to Vito

160 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:31:26pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

Not by-and-large. Damn near universal, and supported from the Vatican.

Yep true.

161 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:31:42pm

re: #156 EmmmieG

We’re invested in human capital. As in, our kids.

Their educations had better pay off, because we want out house to ourselves when we are old.

I have horrible news for you. They never really go, they just sally forth in search of more hostages.

162 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:32:08pm

these godnuts use religion like a Mach 10

163 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:32:30pm

re: #159 albusteve

church to Santorum is like Vito’s Flower Shop to Vito

Maybe, but still shocks me that a guy who makes a huge deal out of his Catholicism is pandering to anti evolution crap.

164 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:32:53pm

spray ‘n pray…pass the ammo

165 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:34:18pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Maybe, but still shocks me that a guy who makes a huge deal out of his Catholicism is pandering to anti evolution crap.

I’m shocked out

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:35:16pm

re: #113 freetoken

My lament is an old one and curmudgeon voices had aired it increasingly in the past couple of decades but even those curmudgeons have likely passed on.

It is simply this: what ever happened to fundamentals?

The current generation appears to not know the difference between an “investment” and “gambling”.

We see that in common day use of language - especially in the electronics toy sector, such as with cameras, and in particular with DSLRs. People will ask what camera they should “invest” in. What nonsense. With few exceptions such purchases ought to be treated as consumable items.

So, while it might sound quaintly anachronistic, I still propose that fundamentals are with what we really ought to concern ourselves.

As an artist, my electronic gear is an investment, I sorta need it to make a living ;-)

167 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:35:31pm

re: #165 albusteve

I’m shocked out

Yeah I don’t blame you. Just saying. I knew some quite conservative Catholics like Rick growing up and they were firm believers in evolutionary theory.

168 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:36:19pm

re: #165 albusteve

I’m shocked out

Amazon has some great deals:
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

169 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:37:46pm

re: #165 albusteve

I’m shocked out

You’re such a strut.

170 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:38:27pm

[Link: magicvalley.com…]

She’s not in the house. I have a bad feeling about this.

My sister posted on facebook a few weeks ago that the dude upstairs from her apartment was howling in grief. Not crying, howling.

Something to do with seeing his son.

Nothing will work on your emotions like your children, so picking the other half of their parents is a really important thing.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:38:47pm

re: #169 darthstar

You’re such a strut.

Muffle it, would you?

172 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:38:59pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t blame you. Just saying. I knew some quite conservative Catholics like Rick growing up and they were firm believers in evolutionary theory.

Because the priest/biology teacher in the 1960s seminary, making all the new little priest/biology teachers, was out of his mind with delight when Watson and Crick published.

173 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:39:20pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

As an artist, my electronic gear is an investment, I sorta need it to make a living ;-)

The word is sometimes used in that way, but a more accurate term would be “capital expenditure”.

The reason I threw in “with few exceptions” is that I did have in mind people who use such devices as tools in their employment. In these cases the cost of these items really are capital expenditures necessary for the employment.

And yes, you ought to depreciate them and write them off your taxes.

174 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:39:49pm

Night Lizards. I leave you with this song.

175 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:39:57pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

Muffle it, would you?

Nice of you to spring to his defense.

176 wilburs  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:39:58pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

The current generation appears to not know the difference between an “investment” and “gambling”.

why should they when the tax laws make no distinction

177 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:40:32pm
178 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:40:44pm

I think that almost anything that comes from the mouth of either Bachmann or Santorum can pretty much be summed up as

Derp!

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:41:26pm

re: #173 freetoken

Oh i got a tax guy and everything ^_^

180 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:41:33pm

re: #175 darthstar

Nice of you to spring to his defense.

Ah wheel, I have nothing to add!

181 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:41:49pm

re: #177 makeitstop

Pike County church bans interracial couples from membership

Unbelievable.

god said so…he told me

182 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:42:32pm

re: #177 makeitstop

Pike County church bans interracial couples from membership

Unbelievable.

Oh, but they’re not racist, see. They support the Only True Black Presidential Candidate (tm).

183 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:42:50pm

re: #176 wilburs

The current generation appears to not know the difference between an “investment” and “gambling”.

why should they when the tax laws make no distinction

Blows me away that my many Southern Baptist neighbors, who would never put a dollar on an out-of-state lottery ticket, put their family’s future into the stock market.

184 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:43:03pm

re: #177 makeitstop

Pike County church bans interracial couples from membership

Unbelievable.

Its a tiny backwoods church which probably has a median membership age of about 70. Most of us in Kentucky are not ignorant, inbred, meth cooking bigots.

185 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:43:36pm

re: #177 makeitstop

Pike County church bans interracial couples from membership

Unbelievable.

I can’t wait till they get to heaven and find out that God looks ZACCLY like Isaac Hayes !

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:43:42pm

re: #176 wilburs

The current generation appears to not know the difference between an “investment” and “gambling”.

why should they when the tax laws make no distinction

the fact that capital gains are taxed so low is mindblowing to me

I support #ows for that ALONE

187 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:43:43pm

re: #180 sattv4u2

Ah wheel, I have nothing to add!

We could shift topics, but it might get lost in transmission.

188 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:44:10pm

re: #187 EmmmieG

you win the internet!

189 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:44:16pm

re: #187 EmmmieG

We could shift topics, but it might get lost in transmission.

Might rev up the thread a little bit, though.

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:44:36pm

re: #184 aagcobb

Its a tiny backwoods church which probably has a median membership age of about 70. Most of us in Kentucky are not ignorant, inbred, meth cooking bigots.

No, some folks are tourists on vacation.

///

191 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:45:01pm

re: #187 EmmmieG

We could shift topics, but it might get lost in transmission.

That was clutch!

192 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:45:18pm

re: #190 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No, some folks are tourists on THE WAY THROUGH TO GET TO THEIR vacation.

///

ftfy

//

193 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:45:44pm

re: #185 sattv4u2

I can’t wait till they get to heaven and find out that God looks ZACCLY like Isaac Hayes !

My preacher told this joke on Sunday:

Fred and Jacob argued their whole life over one simple issue: Was Jesus white, or black? Fred was adamant that he was white; Jacob swore up and down that he was black. Eventually, they died, and they met St. Peter at the pearly gates. They approached the saint and asked him what color Jesus was. Before he could answer, the gates swung open wide, Jesus stepped through, and He said to them, “Hola, amigos!”

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:45:56pm

re: #191 makeitstop

That was clutch!

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:46:50pm

re: #185 sattv4u2

I can’t wait till they get to heaven and find out that God looks ZACCLY like Isaac Hayes !

or mohammed

196 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:47:04pm

re: #184 aagcobb

Its a tiny backwoods church which probably has a median membership age of about 70. Most of us in Kentucky are not ignorant, inbred, meth cooking bigots.

Wanna discuss over-representation?

—UL ‘71/UK ‘73

197 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:47:14pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

My preacher told this joke on Sunday:

Fred and Jacob argued their whole life over one simple issue: Was Jesus white, or black? Fred was adamant that he was white; Jacob swore up and down that he was black. Eventually, they died, and they met St. Peter at the pearly gates. They approached the saint and asked him what color Jesus was. Before he could answer, the gates swung open wide, Jesus stepped through, and He said to them, “Hola, amigos!”

What did you expect, his name was Jesus!

198 wilburs  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:49:35pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

the fact that capital gains are taxed so low is mindblowing to me

I support #ows for that ALONE

It is interesting that the argument advanced for a lower rate of taxation for equity investment simply doesn’t exist for derivatve and commodities speculation. It doesn’t seem to make any difference though

199 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:49:45pm

re: #191 makeitstop

That was clutch!

I need to take a brake. We need puns of a better caliper than this.

200 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:50:42pm

re: #184 aagcobb

Its a tiny backwoods church which probably has a median membership age of about 70. Most of us in Kentucky are not ignorant, inbred, meth cooking bigots.

I’m just pretty surprised because that act goes against every tenet of Christianity I’ve ever been taught.

The woman was a life-long member of that church. How can they just toss her out like that?

201 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:50:54pm

re: #197 Alouette

What did you expect, his name was Jesus!

Nother old joke

Guy from Mexico comes to the US and goes to a pro baseball game

His friends ask how did it go
he said
“It was wonderful. When I showed up, they were sold out of seats, but said for two dollars I could come in and stand under the flagpole. Just before the game started, the entire crowd stood, looked towards me and started singing ,,,’Jose, can you see,,,”

202 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:51:08pm

re: #199 darthstar

I need to take a brake. We need puns of a better caliper than this.

We might just exhaust the subject.

203 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:51:41pm

re: #202 EmmmieG

We might just exhaust the subject.

I know.
I’m gassed!

204 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:53:06pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

I know.
I’m gassed!

No, you’re just octane like you are.

205 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:53:16pm

Cain…
“my family is my priority”….
now

206 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 3:56:07pm

Kitchen gangsta (derty werds warning)

207 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:00:35pm

Tofu explosions. Very dangerous.

My solution is to cook with chicken or beef instead.

[Link: www.oregonlive.com…]

208 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:01:34pm

Tofu isn’t considered meat for the purposes of kosher is it?

Theoretically, a Jewish person could have a “cheeseburger” with a “patty” made out of tofu and other vegetable products.

209 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:02:13pm

Colorado Springs may be Theocracy-Central, but even there the DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!! bandwagon has no leeway:

Colorado Springs imposes oil and gas moratorium

Colorado Springs’ city council on Wednesday voted 8-0 to impose an “emergency ordinance” creating a six-month moratorium on applications for oil and gas operations within city limits, a move that could delay Houston’s Ultra Petroleum Corp. to drill on its land in the city.

[…]

What would Gingrich/Cain/Bachmann say?

210 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:02:20pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

Tofu isn’t considered meat for the purposes of kosher is it?

Theoretically, a Jewish person could have a “cheeseburger” with a “patty” made out of tofu and other vegetable products.

Tofu is a soy product, so I would assume it’d be covered under something like that.

211 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:02:38pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

Tofu explosions. Very dangerous.

My solution is to cook with chicken or beef instead.

[Link: www.oregonlive.com…]

Somewhere, FVB is crying!

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:03:33pm

re: #209 freetoken

Colorado Springs may be Theocracy-Central, but even there the DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!! bandwagon has no leeway:

Colorado Springs imposes oil and gas moratorium

What would Gingrich/Cain/Bachmann say?

Ahh, my old friend NIMBY

213 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:05:07pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

Wanna discuss over-representation?

—UL ‘71/UK ‘73

Over-representation of what?

214 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:08:35pm

Understanding oil economics 101:

High prices drive California’s gasoline usage down

Gasoline consumption in California fell 1.7 percent in August, compared with the previous year, according to statistics released today by the state Board of Equalization.

The decline dovetailed with a long-standing trend of decreased fuel use, amid relatively high gas prices, statewide.

However, diesel fuel use, typically an indicator of trucking industry activity, was up 11.1 percent year-over-year.

Statewide gasoline use in August was 1.27 billion gallons, down from 1.29 billion in August 2010. The average price for a gallon of gasoline in August was $3.82, 63 cents higher than a year ago.

California’s diesel consumption in August was 228 million gallons, up from 205 million in August 2010. Diesel use was up despite an average price of $4.01 a gallon in August, up 85 cents from the year-ago period.

Three things:

Gasoline price goes up, usage is down. BUT, gasoline prices are way up, while usage is down just a tiny, tiny bit. Elasticity.

Diesel prices are up, and usage is up. Trucking is an indicator of economic activity, combining commerce and industry. More trucking means more goods being shipped and produced.

Diesel and gasoline use are somewhat decoupled because end use of gasoline includes quite a bit of recreational and discretionary use.

215 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:10:41pm

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

216 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:10:50pm

re: #214 freetoken

Understanding oil economics 101:

High prices drive California’s gasoline usage down

Three things:

Gasoline price goes up, usage is down. BUT, gasoline prices are way up, while usage is down just a tiny, tiny bit. Elasticity.

Diesel prices are up, and usage is up. Trucking is an indicator of economic activity, combining commerce and industry. More trucking means more goods being shipped and produced.

Diesel and gasoline use are somewhat decoupled because end use of gasoline includes quite a bit of recreational and discretionary use.

You can buy TDIs in California now, too…so more people are moving to diesel, as diesels tend to get better mileage.

217 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:10:56pm

re: #214 freetoken

Diesel prices are also tied to the heating oil market, because they are produced from the same fraction of petroleum. So the diesel price is even more decoupled from the gasoline price because of its reliance on a completely different market.

218 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:11:48pm

re: #213 aagcobb

Over-representation of what?

Meth-heads and bigots. The inbreeding was always exaggerated.

219 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:12:15pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

I don’t know him or what his relationship with his wife was like, so I’m not going to judge.

220 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:12:37pm

re: #216 darthstar

Diesel is still but a tiny fraction of non-trucks in California.

re: #217 thedopefishlives

Yes, but since Californians don’t use heating oil in any meaningful quantities we don’t drive that demand. However, in the northeast and in some other nations it is very important.

221 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:13:20pm

re: #220 freetoken

Diesel is still but a tiny fraction of non-trucks in California.

re: #217 thedopefishlives

Yes, but since Californians don’t use heating oil in any meaningful quantities we don’t drive that demand. However, in the northeast and in some other nations it is very important.

Up here, it plays a huge role. We still use a lot of heating oil in many parts of the wild north country.

222 darthstar  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:14:16pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

Hey, Jesus only lasted 40 days before he said, “Fuck it, I need bath.” He’s probably rebounding, but it’s his pain, his rebound. Don’t judge him for it.

If he turns up with a bunch of coeds one night, one might question his sense of loss, but even if he were to do that, she’s dead and he cat hurt her.

Let it go.

223 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:14:30pm

I guess my main thrust is that Bachmann with her pledge of under $2 gasoline, and Gingrich’s magical flow of all the oil we could ever need if only the government allowed, are so far out of touch with reality that only in a truly delusional electorate can they get any attention.

224 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:15:12pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

Meth-heads and bigots. The inbreeding was always exaggerated.

That is true. I hate it when stories like this come out which tend to confirm the worst stereotypes about Kentucky.

225 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:15:31pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

Not my business, but that does seem kinda quick.

But different people cope different ways.

226 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:15:59pm

re: #219 aagcobb

re: #222 darthstar

Thanks, guys. I think I’m calming down now.

227 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:16:02pm

re: #223 freetoken

I guess my main thrust is that Bachmann with her pledge of under $2 gasoline, and Gingrich’s magical flow of all the oil we could ever need if only the government allowed, are so far out of touch with reality that only in a truly delusional electorate can they get any attention.

Which explains exactly why the Republicans continue to tolerate these two nutcases.

228 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:16:16pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

Too many variables. For example, if she died suddenly, that’s different than if he had years to adjust and let go. He might have already done his grieving and moved on through to peace.

Also, men who were very happy in their previous marriages tend to remarry quickly. My friend whose wife (also my friend, obviously) died of MS and cancer was in a relationship only months later. He had loved his wife dearly, but also cared for her for years of her illnesses. The death devastated him and left him lonely and heartbroken. Who could begrudge him?

229 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:16:50pm

re: #226 prairiefire

re: #222 darthstar

Thanks, guys. I think I’m calming down now.

No sarc tag, last night I was pissed, but you guys are probably right

230 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:17:26pm

re: #224 aagcobb

That is true. I hate it when stories like this come out which tend to confirm the worst stereotypes about Kentucky.

Did a lot of work in Carter and Blaine counties. Beautiful land and neat people totally screwed over by history and exploitation.

231 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:17:27pm

re: #223 freetoken

I guess my main thrust is that Bachmann with her pledge of under $2 gasoline, and Gingrich’s magical flow of all the oil we could ever need if only the government allowed, are so far out of touch with reality that only in a truly delusional electorate can they get any attention.

The Right has divorced itself from reality as we know it to live in its own alternative universe. Can you imagine what the world looks like to someone who watches Fox News and reads WND and actually believes what they read and hear?

232 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:17:44pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

Wow, yeah.

233 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:17:56pm

re: #223 freetoken

I guess my main thrust is that Bachmann with her pledge of under $2 gasoline, and Gingrich’s magical flow of all the oil we could ever need if only the government allowed, are so far out of touch with reality that only in a truly delusional electorate can they get any attention.

we need our existing oil supply to produce more iPhones to further dumb down America…there is even more stupid out there for mega corps to mine…once we have completely rolled over, they will market to the next ultra stupid generation

234 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:18:31pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

Wow, yeah.

I am trying to wrap my head around it.

235 freetoken  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:21:39pm

BTW, some interesting anthropology news today about the spread of humans out of Africa into the southern part of the Arabian peninsula.

Ancient Tools Point to Early Human Migration Into Arabia

[…]

If modern humans were living in southern Arabia 106,000 years ago, the important question for human history is what happened next. Did they die out in Oman—another “failed expansion,” as archaeologists describe it—or migrate north, going on to populate the globe? If the latter, it would challenge current genetic data placing global human migration out of Africa perhaps 80,000 years ago. Instead of “out of Africa,” says Rose, “we could be looking at ‘out of Arabia.’ “

We’re all Arabians now?

236 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:22:29pm

United States of AmericanIdol
nice ring to it

237 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:23:14pm

re: #235 freetoken

BTW, some interesting anthropology news today about the spread of humans out of Africa into the southern part of the Arabian peninsula.

Ancient Tools Point to Early Human Migration Into Arabia

We’re all Arabians now?

“we are all of one nest”
Navaho

238 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:23:56pm

re: #237 albusteve

That’s worth a quick pencil.

239 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:24:48pm

re: #235 freetoken

BTW, some interesting anthropology news today about the spread of humans out of Africa into the southern part of the Arabian peninsula.

Ancient Tools Point to Early Human Migration Into Arabia

We’re all Arabians now?

Homo Ackbar!
/Ululululu!

240 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:24:56pm

re: #235 freetoken

BTW, some interesting anthropology news today about the spread of humans out of Africa into the southern part of the Arabian peninsula.

Ancient Tools Point to Early Human Migration Into Arabia

We’re all Arabians now?

OMG!!! Crazy McCain lady was right!!!11!ty

241 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:26:20pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

That’s worth a quick pencil.

it’s dark at my desk with the NM sunset behind me….my bad

242 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:32:46pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

Tofu isn’t considered meat for the purposes of kosher is it?

Theoretically, a Jewish person could have a “cheeseburger” with a “patty” made out of tofu and other vegetable products.

Tofu is kosher and pareve (pareve: neither meat nor dairy)

So yeah, you could have a tofu vegan “cheeseburger” but it would suck.

243 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:34:08pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

Too soon? This may sound cold, but he was probably already in this relationship before she passed away.

244 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:34:14pm

re: #242 Alouette

Tofu is kosher and pareve (pareve: neither meat nor dairy)

So yeah, you could have a tofu vegan “cheeseburger” but it would suck.

Kind of like carob and honey cookies. Why bother?

245 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:35:15pm

Fischer: People hate Tim Tebow because they hate Jesus

246 wilburs  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:36:34pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: People hate Tim Tebow because they hate Jesus

[Video]

No, they hate Tebow because they hate Fischer

247 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:37:04pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: People hate Tim Tebow because they hate Jesus

[Video]

bah….just tired of his godshit
even Kurt Warner is tired of it
[Link: network.yardbarker.com…]

248 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:38:13pm

re: #224 aagcobb

That is true. I hate it when stories like this come out which tend to confirm the worst stereotypes about Kentucky.

So, there is actually something behind that rumor about a midnight diversion of the Big Sandy in order to make it run further west?

249 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:38:37pm

re: #24 ProLifeLiberal

I could also see it as possible, considering how closed Iran is right now, that the Government could be beginning to do a final plunge, and everyone is getting out before things get real crappy.

The government of Iran may be unpopular, but their brownshirts (Basijis) and their SS (Guardians of the Revolution) are too powerful to be overthrown by the forces of an impromptu people’s militia. They rule, and the rest submit because the alternative is death.

The only way, other than outright war, that this regime might fall, would be if oil prices tanked, or the regime’s revenue tanked for some other reason, and it found itself unable to pay the sweet salaries and perks that shore up the loyalty of the regime maintenance forces.

What I see as the most likely near term trigger for instability in Iran is the situation in Syria. There, the regime is indeed running low on cash. The state security forces are flaking away, defecting to the opposition. Turkey is ever more sympathetic to the resistance. The Arab league has weighed in. It’s entirely possible that Assad may lose power in the next few months.

From the point of view of Iran, though, that would be the loss of a big military asset. Much of their short range rocket capability against Israel rests on possession of Syria as a fire base. Lebanon, if it came to be isolated on all sides by governments not allied to Iran, would not be a comparable alternative.

What will Iran do? What kind of risk is the leadership, whoever it may be that’s really calling the shots, prepared to take? I’m guessing here, but one guess is that they might start a war right now-ish rather than see their Syrian piece removed from the chessboard.

I give it a five percent chance. Far from zero, but not at all likely. The move would, after all, be a serious mistake.

250 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:39:15pm

re: #243 Alouette

Too soon? This may sound cold, but he was probably already in this relationship before she passed away.

Concur.

251 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:40:15pm

re: #250 Stanley Sea

Concur.

pretty judgmental there

252 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:40:41pm

Apple’s Siri: Does iPhone 4S Voice Avoid Abortion Providers?

Apple’s new Siri — the voice-activated “virtual assistant” built into the iPhone 4S — has been hailed as a major advance in artificial intelligence. Ask it a question, on almost anything from soup to nuts, and it will give you an answer.

But at a blog called The Abortioneers, there’s suspicion that Siri is not programmed to help people find abortion clinics. And the issue is spreading around the Internet.

“If abortion information is plentifully available on the interwebs, and Siri is pulling those types of requests from the web, why does Siri not have an answer about birth control or abortion?” asked the blog. “If you ask Siri where to bury a dead body, she seems to be full of ideas.”

The Abortioneers say they experimented with Siri and found it ready to provide plenty of information on sex and reproduction. If you ask it for a phone number for Planned Parenthood, it will give you one. But several users said when they asked, “Where can I go to get an abortion?” they got answers like:

“I’m really sorry about this, but I can’t take any requests right now. Please try again in a little while.”

A user from Wisconsin reported the phone provided directions to two clinics 70 miles away in Milwaukee — even though there was one less than ten miles away in Madison.

253 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:43:07pm

re: #250 Stanley Sea

Concur.

Or he met her at the Drs office or hospital & they have a shared experience.

254 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:43:49pm

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

you get what you pay for…I prefer talking to hu mons

255 KingKenrod  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:43:58pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

I don’t think so. My dad was dating within 3 months and was remarried within a year of my mom dying. They had been married for 39 years. The new marriage has lasted 7 years and my dad has never seemed happier.

256 sagehen  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:45:18pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

Are we sure she died of natural causes? (IOW, yeah, six weeks is much too soon for decency. Makes it seem… he wasn’t particularly sorry she died.)

257 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:45:44pm

re: #235 freetoken

BTW, some interesting anthropology news today about the spread of humans out of Africa into the southern part of the Arabian peninsula.

Ancient Tools Point to Early Human Migration Into Arabia

We’re all Arabians now?

It’s a difficult move if you’re on foot to cross out of Oman. After the oasis at al Ain, there’s really nothing much for a long, long ways. Without camels, it might have been pretty well impassable.

So to write a narrative where the colony in Oman expands further, we have to have boats, or camels, or a climate that’s a lot nicer in the sector between the Oman-UAE border, and the Shatt al Arab river delta around Basra, than it is now.

258 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:45:55pm

re: #256 sagehen

That’s not fair.
Everyone handles grief differently.

259 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:45:56pm

re: #251 albusteve

Just from the gut.

260 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:46:27pm

re: #249 lostlakehiker

Good points. I don’t think there’s much danger of Iran falling from the inside. It’s a pretty stable government at the moment. I think we’re on the cusp of some sort of military action and everybody knows it. I suspect even though the Iranians know it’s coming there’s nothing they can do to stop it.

261 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:46:43pm

re: #253 Stanley Sea

Or he met her at the Drs office or hospital & they have a shared experience.

they probably met over the internet, shared dirty pictures etc, got all horny etc, then decided against convention and did the mambo behind the casino

262 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:47:22pm

re: #253 Stanley Sea

Or he met her at the Drs office or hospital & they have a shared experience.

Or it’s an old flame and when he was free, but not before, he looked into rekindling.

You can’t just assume the worst and call it case solved.

263 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:47:29pm

re: #253 Stanley Sea

Or he met her at the Drs office or hospital & they have a shared experience.

OR,,, the “new” lady in his life wasn;t “new” at all

Could have been a friend of both husband and wife who had lost HER husband

Comfortability in mourning!

264 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:52:18pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

Good points. I don’t think there’s much danger of Iran falling from the inside. It’s a pretty stable government at the moment. I think we’re on the cusp of some sort of military action and everybody knows it. I suspect even though the Iranians know it’s coming there’s nothing they can do to stop it.

the power mongers in Iran have all they can use inside the country…Iran’s foreign policy is in shambles, mad scientists pursue WMDs, the IRGC kneels before their masters and everybody rakes in the dough…ourside of their border they are hardly a threat until they have the ability to lob nukes around the hood…they had a cushy thing but it went to their heads…they are toast now

265 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:53:01pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

I suspect even though the Iranians know it’s coming there’s nothing they can do to stop it.

Not sure if they even want to “stop it”

At worst, they lose some nuke facility out in the desert somewhere but retain all the knowledge (if not an actual working model) and at the same time garner sympathy from anti-western gov’ts

266 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:54:23pm

re: #265 sattv4u2


I suspect even though the Iranians know it’s coming there’s nothing they can do to stop it.

Not sure if they even want to “stop it”

At worst, they lose some nuke facility out in the desert somewhere but retain all the knowledge (if not an actual working model) and at the same time garner sympathy from anti-western gov’ts

who will finance a rebuild?….nobody, aint gonna happen

267 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:55:12pm

re: #264 albusteve

There won’t be an all out attack against Iran

As someone stated upthread, “the west” doesn’t have the stomach for it right now

What you will see is some surgical strikes against “a” facility here or there

268 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:55:13pm

re: #261 albusteve

did the mambo behind the casino

So to speak.

269 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:55:27pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Hello, lizards!

So, it’s been 40 days since my good friend died. Her husband of 19 years just announced on Facebook that he felt lucky to be in a new relationship.
40 days, too soon? Anybody, too soon?

This is why I hate Facebook even though I’m on it. People assume all their “friends” give a shit about their couplings and relationship status. I really don’t, show me cool photographs or GTFO.

Too soon though? I don’t know, but I imagine that having a spouse die of cancer provides one with a rare perspective that isn’t very conducive to outside interpretation. Also, since I don’t really care that much about other people’s relationships I conversely get equally annoyed when they pass judgments on mine.

270 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:56:13pm

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apple’s Siri: Does iPhone 4S Voice Avoid Abortion Providers?

People who ask for advice from a freaking electronic voice deserve to get retarded answers.

Those commercials that portray “Siri” as a “personal assistant” or a “pal” make me want to throw up!

“It sure looks like snow today!”

271 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:57:26pm

re: #269 goddamnedfrank

It cracks me up when someone changes their status to something obvious, or just ironic.

“Mary and John are now married.”

That’s terrific! (Considering that they have four kids, eight grandkids, and have been living together for 38 years.)

Sue and Linda are now friends.

(And it only took twenty-nine years of being sisters for this to come to pass. How sweet.)

272 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:57:26pm

re: #243 Alouette

Too soon? This may sound cold, but he was probably already in this relationship before she passed away.

I am sure that people will think that. I don’t.

273 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:57:31pm

re: #266 albusteve

who will finance a rebuild?…nobody, aint gonna happen

China and Russia are (or will be) more than happy to buy oil from Iran

[Link: www.house.gov…]

274 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:57:58pm

re: #270 Alouette

People who ask for advice from a freaking electronic voice deserve to get retarded answers.

Those commercials that portray “Siri” as a “personal assistant” or a “pal” make me want to throw up!

“It sure looks like snow today!”

If you want advice, call your Mom.

275 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:58:00pm

OK Lizards! My neighbor put up their Christmas lights. On their big wall they have a professional (store bought) universal ‘no’ sign over a big letter “L”. Anyone?

(liberals?)

What type of whacks live close????

276 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:58:40pm

re: #270 Alouette

People who ask for advice from a freaking electronic voice deserve to get retarded answers.

Those commercials that portray “Siri” as a “personal assistant” or a “pal” make me want to throw up!

“It sure looks like snow today!”

It’s a useless feature.
“Where are the droids I am looking for?”
“Sorry, I couldn’t find the droids you were looking for.”
“FFFFUUUUUU”

277 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:58:46pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

There won’t be an all out attack against Iran

As someone stated upthread, “the west” doesn’t have the stomach for it right now

What you will see is some surgical strikes against “a” facility here or there

nip at em like a poodle….every couple of months…
“we told you not to rebuilt that power plant”

278 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:58:47pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

OK Lizards! My neighbor put up their Christmas lights. On their big wall they have a professional (store bought) universal ‘no’ sign over a big letter “L”. Anyone?

(liberals?)

What type of whacks live close???

Noel!

279 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:59:06pm

re: #278 makeitstop

Noel!

coward!
/

280 sagehen  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:59:15pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

OK Lizards! My neighbor put up their Christmas lights. On their big wall they have a professional (store bought) universal ‘no’ sign over a big letter “L”. Anyone?

(liberals?)

What type of whacks live close???

Noel.

281 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:59:22pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

OK Lizards! My neighbor put up their Christmas lights. On their big wall they have a professional (store bought) universal ‘no’ sign over a big letter “L”. Anyone?

(liberals?)

What type of whacks live close???

No L, No L, No L, No L,
Born is the king of Israel.

282 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:59:26pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

OR,,, the “new” lady in his life wasn;t “new” at all

Could have been a friend of both husband and wife who had lost HER husband

Comfortability in mourning!

We all need to keep in touch!

283 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:59:27pm

re: #279 sattv4u2

coward!
/

Piven!

284 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 4:59:33pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

OK Lizards! My neighbor put up their Christmas lights. On their big wall they have a professional (store bought) universal ‘no’ sign over a big letter “L”. Anyone?

(liberals?)

What type of whacks live close???

No L = Noel

285 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:01:25pm

re: #273 sattv4u2

China and Russia are (or will be) more than happy to buy oil from Iran

[Link: www.house.gov…]

then maybe they should talk to the guys with the bombs…Irans oil production can be wasted in a matter of minutes…and that fat refinery on the Gulf looks easy too

286 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:02:52pm

studies have proven people fuck…fact

287 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:04:08pm

re: #285 albusteve

then maybe they should talk to the guys with the bombs…Irans oil production can be wasted in a matter of minutes…and that fat refinery on the Gulf looks easy too

The west won’t hit those

WHY??

(from the link I gave you,,,,
Fifty-six percent of Iran’s oil exports are to
Asia and 29 percent to Europe. Japan and the
People’s Republic of China (PRC) together
buy over one-third of Iran’s oil exports.
)

As stated, what Israel (or us) WILL hit is suspected nuke weapons sites

Russia (and probably China) will scold the US in the UN,,,, and if Israel does it everyone else will pile on, but the oil facilities won’t be touched

288 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:05:43pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

OK Lizards! My neighbor put up their Christmas lights. On their big wall they have a professional (store bought) universal ‘no’ sign over a big letter “L”. Anyone?

(liberals?)

What type of whacks live close???

No loitering?

289 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:06:03pm

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

No L = Noel

That’s it!

290 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:06:19pm

re: #288 prairiefire

No loitering?

No littering!!

They caught Stanley throwing an empty soda can on their lawn last week!!

291 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:07:44pm

re: #272 prairiefire

I am sure that people will think that. I don’t.

Are you on the first to meet list?

Sorry Steve for the gal topic. Know you’re about to puke, but tough!

292 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:07:53pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

The west won’t hit those

WHY??

(from the link I gave you,,,
Fifty-six percent of Iran’s oil exports are to
Asia and 29 percent to Europe. Japan and the
People’s Republic of China (PRC) together
buy over one-third of Iran’s oil exports.
)

As stated, what Israel (or us) WILL hit is suspected nuke weapons sites

Russia (and probably China) will scold the US in the UN,,, and if Israel does it everyone else will pile on, but the oil facilities won’t be touched

it’s the threat…the potential holocaust we could rain down on their head…sooner or later we will have to tell China and the Russians to fuck off….they will because they are raking in the money faster than we are

293 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:07:54pm

Wanted to post, but I don’t have time. Dinner beckons. BBL

294 sagehen  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:08:29pm

Ex-Sheriff Arrested For Allegedly Trying To Trade Meth For Sex

A Republican former sheriff in Colorado was arrested on Tuesday for allegedly trying to trade meth for sex with a man, as his former colleagues from the Sheriff’s department were “visually monitoring” the deal…Sullivan is being held on $500,000 bail in a jail that was named after him, the Patrick J. Sullivan Jr. Detention Facility.

295 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:08:51pm

re: #278 makeitstop

Noel!

No fucking way. Ah consumerism.

296 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:09:54pm

re: #278 makeitstop

Noel!

Oh and kudos for the quick brain work!!!

297 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:10:33pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea

Are you on the first to meet list?

Sorry Steve for the gal topic. Know you’re about to puke, but tough!

it’s a people topic and I consider putting people’s private stuff out there for judgment disgusting….carry on

298 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:10:59pm

re: #280 sagehen

Noel.

Oh shit I’m the whack who lives close by. But Billo would prob have a fit!

299 albusteve  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:12:17pm

AmVoyeur
when do I vote?

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:12:27pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea

Are you on the first to meet list?

Sorry Steve for the gal topic. Know you’re about to puke, but tough!

I said nothing when I saw my friend with his new lady friend about six months after the death of his wife. You see, his daughter is in the area, and I didn’t know what she knew yet. I would assume she was tops on the meet list, but that would be a horrible way to find out.

I would hope if your friend has children, they didn’t find out via facebook.

301 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:17:11pm

re: #296 Stanley Sea

Oh and kudos for the quick brain work!!!

Thanks. I’m not using it for anything else presently. Still took me a minute. :)

302 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:17:46pm

If you ordered a Russian Mail Order bride/ Stripper for Christams, don’t hold your breath ,,

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com…]

And good luck trying to get a refund from “Peggy”

303 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:20:53pm

Well the week from hell is winding down. You know, that week when you go back to work after a substantial time off and imagine the sweet feeling of retirement, only to be thrown back into the shit that 4 days off piles on you.

304 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 5:24:30pm

Oh, by the way, hugs to you Prairie.

305 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 6:22:34pm

re: #304 Stanley Sea

Oh, by the way, hugs to you Prairie.

Thanks, Stanley. I’m just going to let it go.


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