Newt Gingrich: Poor Kids Don't Work, They Get Cash Illegally

Newt Gingrich: Poor Kids Don’t Work, They Get Cash Illegally

But he’s got a plan to put the little bastards to work

WingnutsDecember 2011 • Views: 22,877

I almost can’t believe it, but Newt Gingrich is still out there promoting his plan to gut America’s child labor laws, fire the unionized janitorial staff in schools, and put those shiftless little bastards to work swabbing out the toilets.

Here’s Newt in Des Moines, Iowa, explaining that “poor kids” don’t work, have nobody around them who works, and get their money illegally. See? So he’s trying to help these poor urchins and teach them good habits, not heartlessly advocating a race-based permanent underclass (as it might appear at first glance).

Good grief. Can this kind of stuff really be playing well with the GOP base?

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:41:08pm

A lot of poor kids work.

This is because they're poor. Lots of 16 year olds drop out to work a job.

And sure, there are places where the only jobs running are illegal ones. Suddenly the government is supposed to provide jobs for all the kids in the inner city?

Big government to the rescue, I guess.

erik_t Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:42:39pm

It doesn't flabbergast me that Newt might think this is a good idea. It does flabbergast me that he thinks it's a good idea to say out loud, that he thinks it will play well with the electorate, and that (in a primary sense) he might well be right.

Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:42:57pm

Poor kids, or as Rush calls them, losers and takers.

wilburs Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:44:04pm

Far too many kids work as it is, every supermarket and retail store runs on kid power.

Lidane Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:44:18pm

Compassionate conservatism in action.

Political Atheist Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:44:27pm

Every first grader should know how to mop and dust!
///

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:45:05pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Every first grader should know how to mop and dust!
///

Well yes, actually they should.

At home.

After school.

With mom checking to be sure they did it right.

(Trust me, first graders are still very much at the bottom of their learning curve.)

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:45:48pm

Poor kids don't work? Pass the bong, Newtie.

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:45:48pm

How about if we support their parents and let the kids focus on their studies?

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:46:04pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

How about if we support their parents and let the kids focus on their studies?

That's Marxist talk.

Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:46:06pm

re: #7 EmmmieG

Well yes, actually they should.

At home.

After school.

With mom checking to be sure they did it right.

(Trust me, first graders are still very much at the bottom of their learning curve.)

But they're great at getting back into those cramped, hard to reach spots.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:46:22pm

re: #4 wilburs

Not in this economy. Around here, everyone shifted down one, which meant that 16 year olds looking for a summer job have a harder time.

Bulworth Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:46:48pm

So when is Rick Santorum's turn to be the anti-Romney teabag front-runner?

Romantic Heretic Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:47:06pm

Lord, the man really does live in his own reality.

Iloperidone! Stat!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:47:19pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But they're great at getting back into those cramped, hard to reach spots.

Especially if they appear underfed and have no tush. (I think it's a genetic thing. The kid's just 2D). Then you can hold them by the ankles and lower them down in.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:47:29pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

How about if we support their parents and let the kids focus on their studies?

stole my post...public schools must get the job done

engineer cat Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:48:13pm

Top GOP Strategist Admits He’s ‘Scared’ Of Occupy Wall Street Because It’s ‘Having An Impact’

Luntz told attendees that he’s “scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I’m frightened to death.” The pollster warned that the movement is “having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism.” So the pollster offered some advice for them about how to fight back. Here’s a few snippets of what he said, according to Moody:

– Don’t Mention Capitalism: Luntz said that his polling research found that “The public…still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we’re seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we’ve got a problem.”

– Empathize With The 99 Percent Protesters: Luntz instructed attendees to tell protesters that they “get it”: “First off, here are three words for you all: ‘I get it.’ … ‘I get that you’re. I get that you’ve seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system.”

– Don’t Say Bonus: Luntz told Republicans to re-frame the concept of the bonus payment — which bailed-out Wall Street doles out to its employees during holidays — as “pay for performance” instead.

– Don’t Mention The Middle Class Because Americans Don’t Trust Republicans To Defend It: “They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers,” Luntz instructed the audience. “We can say we defend the ‘middle class’ and the public will say, I’m not sure about that. But defending ‘hardworking taxpayers’ and Republicans have the advantage.”

– Don’t Talk About Taxing The Rich: Luntz reminded Republicans that Americans actually do want to tax the rich, so he reccommended they instead say that the government “takes from the rich.”

Frank Luntz is no minor pollster. He is considered to be one of the top political communications experts in the world, having provided consulting to many of the world’s top corporations, politicians, and special interest groups. That Luntz is admitting the impact of Occupy Wall Street and the 99 Percent and telling closed-door meetings of Republicans that it frightens him is a huge victory for the movement.

republicans should "empathize with the 99% protesters"??? yow!

wilburs Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:48:28pm

So who is Newt going to pick for his VP?

I'm torn between his obvious soul mate Mark Sanford

or one of Newt bold, innovative leadershippy ideas The Situation

What, me worry? Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:48:34pm

Talking about babysitting or having a paper route (are there such things anymore??) at age 12 is one thing. I don't know anyone outside of my Grandad who started work prior to age 12. Of course, he was born in 1902 before there were labor laws. He started working at age 9 for his father which was probably what 90% of young men did at that time when there was no industry, corporations or fast food joints. You took up your father's occupation.

At any rate, babysitting or paper route is not a full time job anyway and it's not scrubbing toilets. Newt is completely deranged (not a revelation).

kirkspencer Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:48:46pm

re: #1 Obdicut

A lot of poor kids work.

This is because they're poor. Lots of 16 year olds drop out to work a job.

And sure, there are places where the only jobs running are illegal ones. Suddenly the government is supposed to provide jobs for all the kids in the inner city?

Big government to the rescue, I guess.

While I get your point, actually these days a lot fewer 16 year olds work. Unemployment numbers in the under 22 ages are extremely high -- it's an employer's (buyer's) market, and they can get experienced (desperate) older folk to take what used to be entry and bottom tier jobs.

Instead Newt wants to fire the guy who can't get a job in his field but needs to take care of roof and table for his family and replace him with someone who'll work for even less. yeah, that'll get the economy going.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:49:04pm

I don't like to pimp out my own pages, but here's a really time-appropriate page I just put up.

Parents.

Good parents are the solution to a lot of life's problems. Not all. The best parents in the world couldn't protect you from Gadaffi. But a lot of life's problems.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:52:02pm

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Talking about babysitting or having a paper route (are there such things anymore??) at age 12 is one thing. I don't know anyone outside of my Grandad who started work prior to age 12. Of course, he was born in 1902 before there were labor laws. He started working at age 9 for his father which was probably what 90% of young men did at that time when there was no industry, corporations or fast food joints. You took up your father's occupation.

At any rate, babysitting or paper route is not a full time job anyway and it's not scrubbing toilets. Newt is completely deranged (not a revelation).

That would be every child ever raised on a farm.

You'll see a statistic that "most" chocolate is tainted by child labor. "Most" cacao beans are also produced on family farms.

As long as the kids go to school as well, I have no problem with it. My grandmother grew up on a farm and graduated from college at 20.

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:52:12pm

I started working when I was 11. Babysitting, which Newt refers to in his statement. If I had been made to be a junior janitor at school, I would have dropped out.

darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:52:35pm

Christian Cruise, anyone?

The whole thing had the hallmarks of a scam, and it would be unremarkable except for the way that a supposedly Christian non-profit rightwing organization used a teabagger IQ test as a filter to find rubes stupid enough to fall for their con.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:54:12pm

"And what do you you do for a living, Mr Shabby?"

-"I clean public lavatories."

"And is there a promotion involved?"

-"Yeah, after five years, they give you a brush!"

(from Monty Python)

engineer cat Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:55:04pm

Newt Gingrich is still out there promoting his plan to gut America’s child labor laws, fire the unionized janitorial staff in schools, and put the little bastards to work swabbing out the toilets

lead by example, newt. let's see you clean a toilet

renata39.5 Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:55:29pm

As little respect as I have for this man, I'm still flabbergasted. The majority of poor kids have no one around them who works? No one to show them a habit of work? Apparently, the only poor people he knows are the mythical welfare queens.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:55:40pm

re: #23 wrenchwench

I started working when I was 11. Babysitting, which Newt refers to in his statement. If I had been made to be a junior janitor at school, I would have dropped out.

re: #23 wrenchwench

I started working when I was 11. Babysitting, which Newt refers to in his statement. If I had been made to be a junior janitor at school, I would have dropped out.

my daughter starting babysitting at 12 because she loves little kids...got herself certified and sat for kids at a local church...it just exploded from there and she was in demand...she was a nanny to a very wealthy young couple all through college and even they wanted to hire her for their family company....success breeds success is my point

Targetpractice Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:56:03pm

Does the GOP really believe that this "Eat the Poor!" mentality is going to be a winning one next year? A bunch of rich pricks arguing that poor folks aren't working "hard enough," that kids need to be working as young as 9 yrs old, and that people below the poverty line should be taxed so that the rich doesn't see their taxes go up?

It almost seems like this should be the subject of a parody sketch on SNL, not the actual platform of a major political party in the 21st century.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:56:21pm

I will eat my shoes if Newt actually does housework in his own house.

What, me worry? Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:56:28pm

re: #22 EmmmieG

That would be every child ever raised on a farm.

You'll see a statistic that "most" chocolate is tainted by child labor. "Most" cacao beans are also produced on family farms.

As long as the kids go to school as well, I have no problem with it. My grandmother grew up on a farm and graduated from college at 20.

Well that's the clencher - "going to school as well" but I don't think this is what Newt is talking about. If it was, he'd say it.

My father's mother was born in 1890 and she was also a college graduate.

engineer cat Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:56:52pm

re: #24 darthstar

Christian Cruise, anyone?

they wouldn't be the first group of hustlers to notice that teabaggers have hung a giant lit up GIT YER SUCKERS RIGHT HERE sign around their necks

nines09 Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:58:02pm

Every time I think Newt Gingrich, disgraced former Speaker of The House, has hit bottom I am proven wrong. Really? Pandering to the base? How low and on what planet do they reside? Vile petty man. Please win so I can watch you completely be torn to shreds by your own words and actions. Please.

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:59:00pm

re: #28 albusteve

my daughter starting babysitting at 12 because she loves little kids...got herself certified and sat for kids at a local church...it just exploded from there and she was in demand...she was a nanny to a very wealthy young couple all through college and even they wanted to hire her for their family company...success breeds success is my point

When I was old enough to do something else, I wanted out. I didn't want to be rude to my regulars, though, so I asked my mom what to do. She said, "Raise your rates". So I told people I now charge $1.00 an hour instead of 75 cents. Nobody called back.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 12:59:36pm

There is a core to this discussion that Newt is tacking at in his inimitable way: there is a social component to work, and it does have a value beyond the mere economic transaction of labor for pay.

Which is one of the reasons I see for having a minimum wage, which a lot of conservatives frown on. And it is a reason for having labor unions as well, to ensure that the social aspect of work is considered along with the mere economic aspects of it.

It is a discussion we need to have in this country, where employees are seen as just another cost factor to me minimized or eliminated entirely whenver it is beneficial to the bottom line.

The only way it seems to factor in is as a justification for executive wages and benefits, "in order to attract the best"...

darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:00:01pm

re: #32 engineer dog

they wouldn't be the first group of hustlers to notice that teabaggers have hung a giant lit up GIT YER SUCKERS RIGHT HERE sign around their necks

If only I was a dishonest person...I'd work the teabagger teat for all it was worth.

wilburs Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:00:49pm

re: #35 ralphieboy

There is a core to this discussion that Newt is tacking at in his inimitable way: there is a social component to work, and it does have a value beyond the mere economic transaction of labor for pay.

Which is one of the reasons I see for having a minimum wage, which a lot of conservatives frown on. And it is a reason for having labor unions as well, to ensure that the social aspect of work is considered along with the mere economic aspects of it.

It is a discussion we need to have in this country, where employees are seen as just another cost factor to me minimized or eliminated entirely whenver it is beneficial to the bottom line.

The only way it seems to factor in is as a justification for CEP wages and benefits, "in order to attract the best"...

Corporations are people....but people are not.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:01:09pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

When I was old enough to do something else, I wanted out. I didn't want to be rude to my regulars, though, so I asked my mom what to do. She said, "Raise your rates". So I told people I now charge $1.00 an hour instead of 75 cents. Nobody called back.

Yeah, as the second oldest of seven kids, as soon as other ways of earning money appeared, I took it. Everyone was happier.

darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:01:36pm

Hey! Mitt Romney made the cover of Time Magazine!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:02:38pm

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:02:51pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

When I was old enough to do something else, I wanted out. I didn't want to be rude to my regulars, though, so I asked my mom what to do. She said, "Raise your rates". So I told people I now charge $1.00 an hour instead of 75 cents. Nobody called back.

I was stealing cars at 9....knocked over my first bank at 13, and by 20 had a million in the bank...quite a story

Targetpractice Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:03:00pm

re: #39 darthstar

Hey! Mitt Romney made the cover of Time Magazine!
Image: romneycover.jpg

Why don't they like you, Mitt? Because you used to be the only sane man in the race. Now? You're a very obvious sell-out.

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:03:21pm

re: #38 EmmmieG

Yeah, as the second oldest of seven kids, as soon as other ways of earning money appeared, I took it. Everyone was happier.

I'm also second of seven. All those younger sibs look like job experience to folks who need a cheap sitter.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:04:30pm

See? So he’s trying to help these poor urchins and teach them good habits, not heartlessly advocating a race-based permanent underclass (as it might appear at first glance).

Yknow, the same ("advocating a race-based permanent underclass") could be said about his "plan" to "legalize" illegal immigrants for which he got so much flak from the Right. The fact that he explicitly stated that he would not grant those immigrants citizenship would make their underclass status permanent, no? They would not have to fear deportation anymore, but they also couldn't ever expect to stand on equal footing with their fellow Americans.

darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:04:42pm

I wish people would stop saying that Huntsman's daughters ruined a good song. That song sucked from the start.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:05:12pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

I'm also second of seven. All those younger sibs look like job experience to folks who need a cheap sitter.

Ha!

One time I was at a friend's house, and she mentioned that her sister was babysitting for a certain family, and how difficult that family was.

I was baffled. They seemed normal to me.

Normal, to me, was having three of four youngest siblings diagnosed with ADHD. Normal was a house so crazy that my older sister's friends considered hanging out at our house a form of cheap entertainment.

Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:06:05pm

Santorum Says Mass Deportation Isn’t So Bad: ‘We’re Not Sending Them To Any Kind Of Difficult Country’

SANTORUM: Yeah I feel bad, I don’t like to break up families, but you know the family can go back. We’re not sending them to Siberia. We’re not sending them to any kind of, you know, difficult country. They’re going to Mexico, which is a great country, a nice country. And they can go back like every other Mexican that wants to come to America and come here legally.

Except for the poverty.

And the cartels.

And the corruption.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:06:52pm

re: #45 darthstar

I wish people would stop saying that Huntsman's daughters ruined a good song. That song sucked from the start.

It always inspired snarky responses:

"I'm bringing sexy back..."

You are? What a relief. I was getting tired of the magazine covers of women in shabby burqas, and of all women striving to be overweight, unwashed, and uncouth.

Thank you so much. We didn't have enough sexy in this country.

lostlakehiker Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:06:52pm

re: #1 Obdicut

A lot of poor kids work.

This is because they're poor. Lots of 16 year olds drop out to work a job.

And sure, there are places where the only jobs running are illegal ones. Suddenly the government is supposed to provide jobs for all the kids in the inner city?

Big government to the rescue, I guess.

The CCC was big government providing jobs for all (15? 17? up to an age limit of 25?-or something like that.) Working conditions were spartan and wages were low, but there was plenty of grub and sturdy clothing. Not a bad deal compared to riding the rails.

The CCC also ran schools, teaching stuff that in an ideal world would have already been acquired, such as reading and writing and arithmetic, and then moving on up to high school material in some cases.

It's not good to have concentrations of people who don't work and don't expect to work and don't see anybody else with a job. This is a pretty good description of a lot of [white] areas in the U.K.

This societal unemployment syndrome really isn't a proxy for race. We found an answer once before. Britain has visibly tried something that didn't work.

It wouldn't hurt to give some real thought to the problem. Newt just raises it and then throws off some glib talk, but then he was always better at identifying problems than finding solutions. But then again, that describes almost anybody who even thinks at all about politics.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:07:15pm

is the GOP REALLY having this conversation?

awesome. Cheers to Obama if he gets to run against this guy, it'll be an Obama blowout

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:08:23pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We could be sending them to Ubekibekibekistan now, coudn't we?

Tumulus11 Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:09:00pm

. Let's put the those young loafers to work sweeping up the debris from Newt's first two marriages. /

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:09:27pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum Says Mass Deportation Isn’t So Bad: ‘We’re Not Sending Them To Any Kind Of Difficult Country’

Except for the poverty.

And the cartels.

And the corruption.

he's a delusional fool....might as well post what Elmer Fudd is up to

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:09:37pm

re: #20 kirkspencer

While I get your point, actually these days a lot fewer 16 year olds work. Unemployment numbers in the under 22 ages are extremely high -- it's an employer's (buyer's) market, and they can get experienced (desperate) older folk to take what used to be entry and bottom tier jobs.

Instead Newt wants to fire the guy who can't get a job in his field but needs to take care of roof and table for his family and replace him with someone who'll work for even less. yeah, that'll get the economy going.

it'll get someone's economy going!

just not ours :)

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:09:37pm

Illegal aliens just have to find a US citizen to marry and their problems are solved...

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:10:11pm

re: #46 EmmmieG

Ha!

One time I was at a friend's house, and she mentioned that her sister was babysitting for a certain family, and how difficult that family was.

I was baffled. They seemed normal to me.

Normal, to me, was having three of four youngest siblings diagnosed with ADHD. Normal was a house so crazy that my older sister's friends considered hanging out at our house a form of cheap entertainment.

One of my friends once said, "How can you stand all that noise?" (My twin sisters were crying in the room down the hall.) I said, "What noise?"

Sionainn Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:10:25pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

Especially if they appear underfed and have no tush. (I think it's a genetic thing. The kid's just 2D). Then you can hold them by the ankles and lower them down in.

Flat Stanley!

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:10:47pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

is the GOP REALLY having this conversation?

awesome. Cheers to Obama if he gets to run against this guy, it'll be an Obama blowout

the GOP is millions of people...Newt hardly speaks for all of them I'm sure

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:11:23pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum Says Mass Deportation Isn’t So Bad: ‘We’re Not Sending Them To Any Kind Of Difficult Country’

Except for the poverty.

And the cartels.

And the corruption.

He also again like many acts like they're all Mexican. If a large amount of illegals were Cuban, would Rick be acting like they were being deported to a wonderful place? There's a reason why people risk their lives to come here.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:11:47pm

re: #49 lostlakehiker

you once again touch on the social aspect of work, one which goes beyond the mere economic aspect. It was always taken for granted in America where there was always more than enough work to go around and where most people had the chance to earn a living wage, even without an education, if they just kept their nose to the grindstone.

But that is no longer the case, and the social aspect of work has gone right out the window.

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:13:42pm

re: #44 000G

Yknow, the same ("advocating a race-based permanent underclass") could be said about his "plan" to "legalize" illegal immigrants for which he got so much flak from the Right. The fact that he explicitly stated that he would not grant those immigrants citizenship would make their underclass status permanent, no? They would not have to fear deportation anymore, but they also couldn't ever expect to stand on equal footing with their fellow Americans.

I read an article in Reason magazine once that advocated totally free immigration. It said, "You just have to be willing to have two different classes of people, citizens with rights, and non-citizens. Americans seem to have a problem with this."

Republicans are stealing all the "good" ideas from Libertarians.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:14:55pm

re: #55 ralphieboy

Illegal aliens just have to find a US citizen to marry and their problems are solved...

I was indexing marriage records from DC from the 1940's.

A 30 year old black woman marrying a 40 year old Chinese man.

Could happen. I suppose. I do have to admit I have my suspicions about that one.

Sionainn Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:15:05pm

re: #39 darthstar

Hey! Mitt Romney made the cover of Time Magazine!
Image: romneycover.jpg

Why does he look like he's got frost on his face?

darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:17:02pm

re: #63 Sionainn

Why does he look like he's got frost on his face?

He was campaigning in Florida looking for the Cuban vote?

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:17:22pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

I read an article in Reason magazine once that advocated totally free immigration. It said, "You just have to be willing to have two different classes of people, citizens with rights, and non-citizens. Americans seem to have a problem with this."

Republicans are stealing all the "good" ideas from Libertarians.

breaking up families is a cold shot....that and some sort of mass deportations is a pipe dream for some people...it will never happen...even me, who's hawkish about a secure boarder won't agree to that

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:18:11pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

I read an article in Reason magazine once that advocated totally free immigration. It said, "You just have to be willing to have two different classes of people, citizens with rights, and non-citizens. Americans seem to have a problem with this."

Would those non-citizens be required to bear an identifying mark, like a yellow star?

recusancy Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:18:27pm

A Mittstant Replay from John Huntsman

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:19:32pm

Hispanics are often claimed to be natural GOP material: pro business, pro-family, socially conservative.

And then Santorum comes up with this tack on "family values"...

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:20:37pm

re: #68 ralphieboy

Hispanics are often claimed to be natural GOP material: pro business, pro-family, socially conservative.

And then Santorum comes up with this tack on "family values"...

GOP when it comes to Hispanic voters has written the book on How to lose a possible friend and piss them off big time.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:20:55pm

re: #68 ralphieboy

Hispanics are often claimed to be natural GOP material: pro business, pro-family, socially conservative.

And then Santorum comes up with this tack on "family values"...

you rave about his lunacy, then give him cred for his bullshit?....how does that work?.....Santorum is exactly nobody

goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:21:16pm

re: #49 lostlakehiker

The CCC was big government providing jobs for all (15? 17? up to an age limit of 25?-or something like that.)

It's an easy thing to look up.

The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) was a public work relief program that operated from 1933 to 1942 in the United States for unemployed, unmarried men from relief families, ages 18–25.

The CCC employed young, poor adult males. No children. Also, it was pure economic stimulus, a government jobs program ... something that's completely anathema to today's Republican Party.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:23:27pm

re: #70 albusteve

you rave about his lunacy, then give him cred for his bullshit?...how does that work?...Santorum is exactly nobody

He is almost exactly nobody in the campaign, but his views on immigration seem to be rather in line with the GOP.

blueraven Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:23:44pm

re: #49 lostlakehiker

The CCC was big government providing jobs for all (15? 17? up to an age limit of 25?-or something like that.) Working conditions were spartan and wages were low, but there was plenty of grub and sturdy clothing. Not a bad deal compared to riding the rails.

The CCC also ran schools, teaching stuff that in an ideal world would have already been acquired, such as reading and writing and arithmetic, and then moving on up to high school material in some cases.

It's not good to have concentrations of people who don't work and don't expect to work and don't see anybody else with a job. This is a pretty good description of a lot of [white] areas in the U.K.

This societal unemployment syndrome really isn't a proxy for race. We found an answer once before. Britain has visibly tried something that didn't work.

It wouldn't hurt to give some real thought to the problem. Newt just raises it and then throws off some glib talk, but then he was always better at identifying problems than finding solutions. But then again, that describes almost anybody who even thinks at all about politics.

No...18-25. In other words grown men, not children.
Hardly the same concept as what Newt is advocating.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

ProMayaLiberal Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:24:21pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the War!!!

We do not send people back to a damn war zone!!

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:25:09pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

It's an easy thing to look up.

The CCC employed young, poor adult males. No children. Also, it was pure economic stimulus, a government jobs program ... something that's completely anathema to today's Republican Party.

the CCC is a hell of a story...American 'git it done' attitude at it's best...not only were jobs provided, but there was an element of learning skills, discipline, diet, teamwork and all that....quaint by todays standards....some of the stonework those guys did is truly exceptional

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:25:18pm

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"
-Ebeneezer Scrooge

Fa la fuckin' la, la la la laaah.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:25:18pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

It's an easy thing to look up.

The CCC employed young, poor adult males. No children. Also, it was pure economic stimulus, a government jobs program ... something that's completely anathema to today's Republican Party.

And it was very much a social program, designed to keep people occupied feeding their families, giving them a sense of worth and dignity, and leaving them less open to radical political views.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:26:31pm

re: #72 ralphieboy

He is almost exactly nobody in the campaign, but his views on immigration seem to be rather in line with the GOP.

do you know that?...or just want to believe it?....maybe so, but I usually don't make such sweeping assumptions

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:27:01pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"
-Ebeneezer Scrooge

Fa la fuckin' la, la la la laaah.

The workhouse was a tragedy. The hardhearted, who ran them, wanted to make them as unattractive as possible so that the "lazy" wouldn't "take advantage."

They did things like separate children and parents and married couples. They made it as unpleasant as possible.

It didn't have to be that way.

Stupid. It is possible to combine charity and work possibilities.

Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:27:20pm

United Nations: Syria now in a civil war

Syria has entered a state of civil war with more than 4,000 people dead and an increasing number of soldiers defecting from the army to fight President Bashar Assad's regime, the U.N.'s top human rights official said Thursday.

Civil war has been the worst-case scenario in Syria since the revolt against Assad began eight months ago. Damascus has a web of allegiances that extends to Lebanon's powerful Hezbollah movement and Iran's Shiite theocracy, raising fears of a regional conflagration.

The assessment that the bloodshed in Syria has crossed into civil war came from the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay.

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:27:38pm

I had a distant relative in the CCC. Joined out of high school actually. Also high school kids can and do work. I did, my brother, and many of our friends did too. Newt seems to be either delusional about the fact that many teens do work or he wants per-adolsecents working which is stupid since those kids should be working on academics first and foremost.

blueraven Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:27:40pm

re: #75 albusteve

the CCC is a hell of a story...American 'git it done' attitude at it's best...not only were jobs provided, but there was an element of learning skills, discipline, diet, teamwork and all that...quaint by todays standards...some of the stonework those guys did is truly exceptional

My Dad was in the CCC program. His family were farmers in rural Georgia. He learned a lot there and eventually had his own business. He learned to lay bricks and became a sought after brick mason.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:30:32pm

re: #78 albusteve

do you know that?...or just want to believe it?...maybe so, but I usually don't make such sweeping assumptions

The Republican running in Arizona and ALabama are for it, and the only GOP candidate in the debate advocating the notion of amnesty was Newt...

Even Bush could not get any sort of amnesty-related immigration reform past his own party.

Here i am letting myself get albusteved again.

I was mostly talking about how the GOP is alienating a mojor bloc of voters - the Hispanics - by not taking a more realistic (and humane) approach to immigration reform.

blueraven Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:31:58pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I had a distant relative in the CCC. Joined out of high school actually. Also high school kids can and do work. I did, my brother, and many of our friends did too. Newt seems to be either delusional about the fact that many teens do work or he wants per-adolsecents working which is stupid since those kids should be working on academics first and foremost.

Maybe in Newts circle kids dont work. Both of mine did, babysitting, dishwasher, yard work etc...
Most of their friends worked too. At least in the summer.
Newt is out of touch.

FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:33:44pm

Today's Quota of Kitteh!

Obdicut Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:35:40pm

re: #49 lostlakehiker

This societal unemployment syndrome really isn't a proxy for race. We found an answer once before. Britain has visibly tried something that didn't work.

Don't be coy. What was the answer?

ProMayaLiberal Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:36:23pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lebanon will also implode. Michel Aoun, his party, and Hezbollah will attempt a coup solidify power. Many Sunnis in Iraq may decide to join the fighting, as alot of them in the Northeast of that nation have relatives just on the other side of the border.

Now will be the time to intervene before the Northern Levant is wrecked.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:36:43pm

re: #83 ralphieboy

The Republican running in Arizona and ALabama are for it, and the only GOP candidate in the debate advocating the notion of amnesty was Newt...

Even Bush could not get any sort of amnesty-related immigration reform past his own party.

Here i am letting myself get albusteved again.

I was mostly talking about how the GOP is alienating a mojor bloc of voters - the Hispanics - by not taking a more realistic (and humane) approach to immigration reform.

doesn't matter what they think....immigration is a federal issue as they have proven over and over

FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:38:01pm

I know one reason many kids don't work is that the large and medium corporate retail stores and business's won't hire anyone under 18. They can't do an adequate background check on minors. . .

It is also harder to schedule around high school classes, activites AND local child labor laws.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:39:10pm

re: #87 ProLifeLiberal

Lebanon will also implode. Michel Aoun, his party, and Hezbollah will attempt a coup solidify power. Many Sunnis in Iraq may decide to join the fighting, as alot of them in the Northeast of that nation have relatives just on the other side of the border.

Now will be the time to intervene before the Northern Levant is wrecked.

intervene how?

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:39:37pm

Immigration is a national issue, but it is a political football at state level. And the immigrants are the astruturf.

ProMayaLiberal Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:40:33pm

re: #90 albusteve

Not sure, but Turkey has to play a key role. This festering issue in Syria could get out of hand in a hurry.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:41:39pm

Bill Richardson under investigation for 2008 presidential campaign violations, sources say

Dirty Bill just can't shake the feds

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:42:33pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum Says Mass Deportation Isn’t So Bad: ‘We’re Not Sending Them To Any Kind Of Difficult Country’

Except for the poverty.

And the cartels.

And the corruption.

If it is not such a bad place, why did they come here to begin with?

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:43:11pm

re: #94 ggt

If it is not such a bad place, why did they come here to begin with?

Pizza Pthursday over Taco Tuesday?

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:44:02pm

re: #94 ggt

If it is not such a bad place, why did they come here to begin with?

Because they are lazy and want to mooch off our social system...

KingKenrod Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:44:27pm

re: #93 albusteve

Bill Richardson under investigation for 2008 presidential campaign violations, sources say

Dirty Bill just can't shake the feds

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

Bill's probably hoping Obama loses the election so he doesn't have to wait 4 more years for a pardon.

blueraven Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:48:29pm

re: #97 KingKenrod

Bill's probably hoping Obama loses the election so he doesn't have to wait 4 more years for a pardon.

Lets just wait and see if he is even indited first OK?
The main charge seems to be that supporters gave money to a woman to cover up an extramarital affair.
If this was campaign money then its a crime, if not, then its just more sleaze.

albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:50:56pm

re: #98 blueraven

Lets just wait and see if he is even indited first OK?
The main charge seems to be that supporters gave money to a woman to cover up an extramarital affair.
If this was campaign money then its a crime, if not, then its just more sleaze.

and BO can call off the dogs if it gets too hot...he already did that last year...Bill is filthy dirty but who would ever doubt the Justice Dept?....heh

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blueraven Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:51:31pm

re: #99 albusteve

and BO can call off the dogs if it gets too hot...he already did that last year...Bill is filthy dirty but who would ever doubt the Justice Dept?...heh

link?

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:52:29pm

re: #100 blueraven

link?

not me...it's common knowledge

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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:53:35pm

re: #100 blueraven

His administration in NM was dirty. There are guys in jail. I don't have time to get the links, but I have no doubt Richardson is guilty of something, whether it gets proven in court or not.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:55:15pm

On paper, Richardson looked like a good SoS pick. In fact I preferred him or Kerry over Clinton. It was the right choice though I don't think Kerry would be a bad SoS.

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sagehen Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:57:28pm

So if the kid takes this job (because otherwise he's a shiftless piece of crap whose mother shouldn't be taking food stamps), then he gets lousy grades because he doesn't have time to study and he's out of the running for scholarships and it's his own damn fault because PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED HARDER TO GET A GOOD EDUCATION!! If you're poor, don't blame the government, blame yourself!!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:57:58pm

I see the pandering to conservatives regarding OWS continues

gg Adam Corolla! get yourself a place on Newt's campaign bus, maybe give Karl Rove a handie, it's all good rich man, grab that cash

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blueraven Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:59:19pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

His administration in NM was dirty. There are guys in jail. I don't have time to get the links, but I have no doubt Richardson is guilty of something, whether it gets proven in court or not.

I was more referring to albusteve's assertion that Obama "called the dogs off".

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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:59:27pm

Richardson also diverted money in the transportation department to pay for his pet train project (the Roadrunner) and now the shoulders don't get paved when they resurface a road. Cyclists are up in arms about it, but they aren't blaming Bill.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 1:59:37pm

Due process, what's that?

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:00:38pm

re: #105 WindUpBird

I see thepandering to conservatives regarding OWS continues

gg Adam Corolla! get yourself a place on Newt's campaign bus, maybe give Karl Rove a handie, it's all good rich man, grab that cash

I don't mind Corolla but Adam seems blissfully unaware of the fact that not every OWS is a rich college student. Is the retired police captain I saw interviewed in New York a self entitled brat? I am fairly ambivalent on OWS but the idea that these are all kids who want something handed to them is just false.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:01:20pm

Can this kind of stuff really be playing well with the GOP base?

A white conservative bigot pandering to yet more conservative white bigots, when has that ever happened in the United States? ///

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:01:29pm

re: #106 blueraven

I was more referring to albusteve's assertion that Obama "called the dogs off".

google it

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:01:30pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I don't mind Corolla but Adam seems blissfully unaware of the fact that not every OWS is a rich college student. Is the retired police captain I saw interviewed in New York a self entitled brat? I am fairly ambivalent on OWS but the idea that these are all kids who want something handed to them is just false.

I find him to be the radio equivalent of Nickleback. A hack whose craft is really clumsy and obvious

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:02:19pm

re: #110 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Can this kind of stuff really be playing well with the GOP base?

A white conservative bigot pandering to yet more conservative white bigots, when has that ever happened in the United States? ///

I like it when they weep about the demographic shift to hispanics

Keep on cryin, Buchanan!

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sagehen Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:02:20pm

re: #21 EmmmieG

I don't like to pimp out my own pages, but here's a really time-appropriate page I just put up.

Parents.

Good parents are the solution to a lot of life's problems. Not all. The best parents in the world couldn't protect you from Gadaffi. But a lot of life's problems.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The ultimate answer, government must provide every child with good parents. If there aren't enough good parents to go around, animatronics is the answer. Hi-tech, we design them here and build them in China, they'll have funny accents but I'm sure we can work out the bugs.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:03:00pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

I find him to be the radio equivalent of Nickleback. A hack whose craft is really clumsy and obvious

Well one thing is for sure. There are a lot more funny motherfuckers out there. Really the hatred and I mean outright hatred some have for OWS and like movements is really lame.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:03:56pm

re: #49 lostlakehiker

It wouldn't hurt to give some real thought to the problem.

You're right, it wouldn't.

Conservatism has proven incapable of this, though.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:04:11pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

I like it when they weep about the demographic shift to hispanics

Keep on cryin, Buchanan!

I hope Pat gets to live in a "minority-majority" US. Just like I hope an old KKK grand wizard got to see Obama inaugurated. In your face, assholes.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:04:34pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I don't mind Corolla but Adam seems blissfully unaware of the fact that not every OWS is a rich college student. Is the retired police captain I saw interviewed in New York a self entitled brat? I am fairly ambivalent on OWS but the idea that these are all kids who want something handed to them is just false.

also, I think he knows full well what OWS is, he's just pandering like your average radio jock :-) Much like most pop musicians with any amount of skill know they're manufacturing obvious cheap ear-candy.

That's the name of the game, look at every talk radio host with a show. Demagoguery is the way to cash and fame!

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:04:34pm

re: #111 albusteve

google it

Did you?

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:05:09pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

Due process, what's that?

Sounds very French!!!@1

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:05:38pm

re: #118 WindUpBird

also, I think he knows full well what OWS is, he's just pandering like your average radio jock :-) Much like most pop musicians with any amount of skill know they're manufacturing obvious cheap ear-candy.

That's the name of the game, look at every talk radio host with a show. Demagoguery is the way to cash and fame!

True that. Your average radio jock seems to be a douche who thinks the whole world thinks he's the allmighty's gift to the rest of us saps.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:06:54pm

re: #119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Did you?

no, it was all over the news

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:07:12pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

Due process, what's that?

I posted about it this morning --scary!

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Eventual Carrion Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:07:16pm

re: #97 KingKenrod

Bill's probably hoping Obama loses the election so he doesn't have to wait 4 more years for a pardon.

Or he could just change to a repub and all charges will be dropped.

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Lidane Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:07:17pm

Yeah, he's done:

Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:08:04pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Well one thing is for sure. There are a lot more funny motherfuckers out there. Really the hatred and I mean outright hatred some have for OWS and like movements is really lame.

Phil Hendrie squashes Corolla's meager talents in between his toes. :D

And the hatred is sort of a good symptom IMHO, it lets us know we're getting warmer. flak over the target, you know? :-) Knownothings and hippie-punchers who appeal to base prejudices and refuse to talk about the facts of our banking system, the facts of our economic situation and wealth distribution

weak minds, some of them right here on this blog, good times!

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:08:05pm

re: #122 albusteve

no, it was all over the news

A lot of things are all over the news. And yet, not everyone watches the news.

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sagehen Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:08:49pm

re: #38 EmmmieG

Yeah, as the second oldest of seven kids, as soon as other ways of earning money appeared, I took it. Everyone was happier.

I would have loved to babysit (or dogwalk or mow lawns), but mom wouldn't let me. She made me learn to type (because "a girl who can type won't ever have to wait tables" -- which isn't true anymore, but in the 1970's and 80's it really was) and hired me at her law firm. I hated it at the time, but in college and for about 10 years after I was grateful she'd forced it on me.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:08:52pm

re: #118 WindUpBird

also, I think he knows full well what OWS is, he's just pandering like your average radio jock :-) Much like most pop musicians with any amount of skill know they're manufacturing obvious cheap ear-candy.

That's the name of the game, look at every talk radio host with a show. Demagoguery is the way to cash and fame!

of course...it has little to do with what the electorate is thinking, they don't cut the checks....it's just AmIdol political porn

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recusancy Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:08:59pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

Due process, what's that?

Sign Mark Udall's petition "20,000 Strong Against Detaining Americans Indefinitely on U.S. Soil"
[Link: www.markudall.com...]

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:09:46pm

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

A lot of things are all over the news. And yet, not everyone watches the news.

I didn't watch it...the net provided plenty of coverage

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:09:52pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

True that. Your average radio jock seems to be a douche who thinks the whole world thinks he's the allmighty's gift to the rest of us saps.

that's the market! it's the new carnival barking, the new PT Barnum. Only instead of actual snake-oil, it's rhetorical snake-oil

all you need to know about conservative talk radio you can learn by listening to the ads, a steady stream of fly-by-night quackery, gold-hawking, fake health supplements...because that's what sells to talk radio listeners.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:11:07pm

re: #125 Lidane

Yeah, he's done:

Cain: Wife didn't know about friendship, ‘financial assistance' to Ginger White

9-9-9 will be in five years what the Dean Scream is now.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:13:00pm

re: #132 WindUpBird

that's the market! it's the new carnival barking, the new PT Barnum. Only instead of actual snake-oil, it's rhetorical snake-oil

all you need to know about conservative talk radio you can learn by listening to the ads, a steady stream of fly-by-night quackery, gold-hawking, fake health supplements...because that's what sells to talk radio listeners.

and boner pills

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:13:05pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

9-9-9 will be in five years what the Dean Scream is now.

Dean wasn't on the edge of divorce because of the Dean scream (whoops, you thought you'd be president, you end up being served papers!) :-) The Dean scream wasn't a lie, just enthousiasm in a really loud room with a poorly monitored microphone

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:13:19pm

re: #134 albusteve

and boner pills

so many boner pills *_*

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recusancy Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:13:27pm

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

A lot of things are all over the news. And yet, not everyone watches the news.

I'm guessing if you find it on the web it will start with "As Sean Hannity reported last Monday..."

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:13:51pm

re: #136 WindUpBird

so many boner pills *_*

You know, I never thought this country had a problem with not having enough boners!

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:14:32pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

Dean wasn't on the edge of divorce because of the Dean scream (whoops, you thought you'd be president, you end up being served papers!) :-) The Dean scream wasn't a lie, just enthousiasm in a really loud room with a poorly monitored microphone

I mean in the sense a political joke. "Hey, remember Herman Cain and 9-9-9. "

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darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:15:02pm

re: #138 ggt

You know, I never thought this country had a problem with not having enough boners!

If more Americans could get it up without taking a little blue pill we wouldn't feel the need to start so many wars.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:15:18pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

I mean in the sense a political joke. "Hey, remember Herman Cain and 9-9-9. "

Sim City!

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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:15:45pm

Medical Marij connected with reduced traffic fatalities.
Who woulda thunk it?

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:16:05pm

re: #137 recusancy

I'm guessing if you find it on the web it will start with "As Sean Hannity reported last Monday..."

what's it matter who reported it?...Justice called off their investigation, and many people think that they were hot onto something at the time....it's not complicated....google their press release

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Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:16:11pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

9-9-9 will be in five years what the Dean Scream is now.

BYAH!

Youtube Video

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:16:46pm

re: #140 darthstar

If more Americans could get it up without taking a little blue pill we wouldn't feel the need to start so many wars.

If sex is for pro-creation and the we don't have a low birthrate issue, why would Evangelicals be so pro-boners?

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freetoken Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #142 Rightwingconspirator

Medical Marij connected with reduced traffic fatalities.
Who woulda thunk it?

Why drive when you can fly?

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:17:14pm

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BYAH!

[Video]

Oh the 2000's where have you gone, whoa, whoa.

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darthstar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:17:14pm

Okay...this is way cool. A compilation of one-second videos.

Vimeo

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:17:17pm

re: #142 Rightwingconspirator

Medical Marij connected with reduced traffic fatalities.
Who woulda thunk it?

booze= served in bars you have to drive to, raises confidence, lowers judgement

weed= stay home, eat cheetos, listen to ambient dub in bed

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:17:57pm

re: #149 WindUpBird

booze= served in bars you have to drive to, raises confidence, lowers judgement

weed= stay home, eat cheetos, listen to ambient dub in bed

I think people driving under the influence of pot probably drive r.e.a.l. slow. I remember never being quite sure exactly where I was going. . .Especially at intersections.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:18:13pm

re: #142 Rightwingconspirator

Medical Marij connected with reduced traffic fatalities.
Who woulda thunk it?

That surprises me. I'm for legalizing it but I thought pot would be like booze- that is not the best thing to be on driving.

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:18:56pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

That surprises me. I'm for legalizing it but I thought pot would be like booze- that is not the best thing to be on driving.

Yeah, driving under the influence is driving under the influence regardless of the influencing drug of choice.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:19:16pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

That surprises me. I'm for legalizing it but I thought pot would be like booze- that is not the best thing to be on driving.

yeah, it's the best thing to drive on...especially at 140 across the NM mesas

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:20:00pm

re: #150 ggt

I think people driving under the influence of pot probably drive r.e.a.l. slow.

[Link: www.cannabisculture.com...] ^_^

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TedStriker Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:20:13pm

re: #153 albusteve

yeah, it's the best thing to drive on...especially at 140 across the NM mesas

Thought that was what peyote was for...

;-P

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freetoken Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:20:46pm

The next hope for the GOP?

Kermit doesn't rule out presidential run

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Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:20:47pm

re: #150 ggt

I think people driving under the influence of pot probably drive r.e.a.l. slow. I remember never being quite sure exactly where I was going. . .Especially at intersections.

"Son, do you have any idea how fast you were going?"
"Well, when I cut loose, I can get this bad boy cruising at about 85, 90."
"Seven. You were doing seven."

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:20:48pm

re: #154 WindUpBird

[Link: www.cannabisculture.com...] ^_^

w00t!
pass the bong

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:21:01pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

That surprises me. I'm for legalizing it but I thought pot would be like booze- that is not the best thing to be on driving.

it's how it affects the brain. it's not "a good idea" and it should certainly not be legal to drive stoned, but statistics show it doesn't lead to vastly increased accident risk like booze or valium.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:22:14pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

it's how it affects the brain. it's not "a good idea" and it should certainly not be legal to drive stoned, but statistics show it doesn't lead to vastly increased accident risk like booze or valium.

Yeah, that's what surprised me. I think pot should be treated like booze.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:22:28pm

re: #155 talon_262

Thought that was what peyote was for...

;-P

peyote is best when sex is involved...if that includes driving, so be it....when I drank peyote slurpies, other people did the driving, not me

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:23:19pm

re: #156 freetoken

The next hope for the GOP?

Kermit doesn't rule out presidential run

Please, he favors "green solutions" to everything. That means he'd be a huge spender and have more pot than when Willie Nelson visited the White House and got high with Stephen Ford I think it was.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:23:24pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that's what surprised me. I think pot should be treated like booze.

me too, make mine a double please

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:23:37pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Son, do you have any idea how fast you were going?"
"Well, when I cut loose, I can get this bad boy cruising at about 85, 90."
"Seven. You were doing seven."

Yeah, that would have been me. I remember being the first in line at a stop light. when it changed to green I couldn't figure out where I was going. Do I go straight? turn? left? right? I started sweating because I thought everyone was going to honk and the cops would come. Of course all of this took about 3 seconds before I made-up my mind, but I could have sworn it was 10 minutes.

Never drove stoned again!

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:24:06pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Please, he favors "green solutions" to everything. That means he'd be a huge spender and have more pot than when Willie Nelson visited the White House and got high with Stephen Ford I think it was.

It's not easy being green.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:24:33pm

re: #163 albusteve

me too, make mine a double please

Yeah it's stupid. No difference to me than hitting the bong or a cold beer. Hell the pot has its perks. No hangover, no problems.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:24:50pm

re: #164 ggt

yeah, the last thing I'd want to do stoned would be to leave the safety of my awesome headphones and climb into a car *_*

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Kragar Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:25:18pm

re: #164 ggt

Yeah, that would have been me. I remember being the first in line at a stop light. when it changed to green I couldn't figure out where I was going. Do I go straight? turn? left? right? I started sweating because I thought everyone was going to honk and the cops would come. Of course all of this took about 3 seconds before I made-up my mind, but I could have sworn it was 10 minutes.

Never drove stoned again!

Youtube Video

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albusteve Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:26:03pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Yeah it's stupid. No difference to me than hitting the bong or a cold beer. Hell the pot has its perks. No hangover, no problems.

both are depressants but the alcohol variety is much more profound, it will knock you out....pot won't do that

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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:26:12pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

One point they made was booze makes one take more risks, yet the marijuana high causes risk averse behavior.

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:26:57pm

re: #170 Rightwingconspirator

One point they made was booze makes one take more risks, as the marijuana high causes risk averse behavior.

The world is a much nicer place when your are stoned.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:27:55pm

re: #170 Rightwingconspirator

One point they made was booze makes one take more risks, yet the marijuana high causes risk averse behavior.

It makes sense to me given experience.

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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:28:19pm

re: #149 WindUpBird

booze= served in bars you have to drive to, raises confidence, lowers judgement

weed= stay home, eat cheetos, listen to ambient dub in bed

Stone and bone!

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FemNaziBitch Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:28:30pm

ah, memories of youth . . . .

And Now, it's later afternoon and I'm ready to fall asleep.

Nap time.

Gawd, I feel old.

Have a great one all!

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makeitstop Thu, Dec 1, 2011 2:44:58pm

re: #45 darthstar

I wish people would stop saying that Huntsman's daughters ruined a good song. That song sucked from the start.

I wonder if they're like every other Republican who's 'borrowed' a song for their campaign. Maybe there's a C&D from JT in their future...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 1, 2011 3:47:36pm

re: #171 ggt

The world is a much nicer place when your are stoned.

certainly the music library comes to life

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CriticalDragon1177 Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:40:58pm

Charles Johnson,

While I don't see anything wrong with kids having part time Jobs, the idea that poor children only know work that involves criminal activity is absurd. Also, although I don't find anything wrong with kids working, in and off itself, I think we need to be careful before we change any law dealing with child labor.

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CriticalDragon1177 Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:43:46pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Obdicut,

True, Newt is advocating something that his party might label socialism, if a democrat suggested it.

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