The ‘Lie Detector Expert’ in Cain’s New Ad is a Donor to His Campaign

And he’s not a ‘lie detector expert’ either
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Herman Cain’s latest ad is a real howler, as he claims he’s been vindicated of the charges of sexual harassment and affairs by “one of the foremost lie detector experts.”

But this “lie detector expert,” as we pointed out November 10th, is actually a private investigator who also happens to be a donor to Cain’s campaign.

He’s no “lie detector expert,” either, and he didn’t give Cain a polygraph test, although the ad hopes you’re dumb enough to believe that. He recorded one of Cain’s press conferences and ran it through a bogus “voice stress analysis” program, then declared Cain vindicated.

This is sheer pitiful desperation, folks. Who’s Herman Cain trying to fool at this point — America, or his wife?

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356 comments
1 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:46:40pm

The baffling thing is that he expects to fool anyone.

2 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:46:45pm

"Shocked."

3 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:48:54pm

"who are ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?"

4 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:50:30pm

This race is unfolding like the script of the funniest satire of presidential politics ever.

5 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:51:20pm

Cain says he won't get out of the race until he talks to his wife "face to face"...his only problem there is that he only talks to women doggie style.

6 recusancy  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:51:34pm

Netanyahu Government Suggests Israelis Avoid Marrying American Jews

7 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:52:11pm

re: #4 aagcobb

This race is unfolding like the script of the funniest satire of presidential politics ever.

Or some really cheaply made porn.

8 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:52:59pm

Excuse me while I climb back onto my chair after having recoiled in shock at the apparent betrayal of trust in a political ad.

9 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:53:17pm

re: #6 recusancy

Netanyahu Government Suggests Israelis Avoid Marrying American Jews

Well, I do hear the Russian Jews are hotter.

10 jaunte  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:53:46pm

The999fundisresonsibleforthecontentofthisadvertisement.

No human would sign off on it.

11 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:54:20pm

re: #6 recusancy

Saw that story earlier. Each week makes me dislike the Likud Government more and more.

12 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:55:29pm

re: #9 darthstar

Well, I do hear the Russian Jews are hotter.

Ukrainian. Marry me, Mila Kunis.

13 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:56:15pm

All I can say is:

Unbelievable.

14 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:56:20pm

re: #11 ProLifeLiberal

That guy is so very very very Karl Rove, its kind of stunning.

Even down to the same look of blank incomprehension he probably gives when somebody uses the word 'subtlety'.

15 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:57:10pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Pretty russian women really seem to be 'of a type', I think they're all secretly robots.

16 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:57:46pm

Herman Cain is a REAL BLACK!

Fake imitations vote for people like Obama!

17 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:58:02pm

re: #7 darthstar

Or some really cheaply made porn.

You know someone is going to make a porn with a Herman Cain Look-alike. They are probably already shooting it.

18 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:58:30pm

re: #4 aagcobb

This race is unfolding like the script of the funniest satire of presidential politics ever.

Like some mutated version of the Gong Show.

19 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:59:02pm

re: #15 windsagio

Pretty russian women really seem to be 'of a type', I think they're all secretly robots.


Type my ass...

20 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 5:59:43pm

re: #16 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

not as real as Larry Elder!

(visual aid: [Link: cdn.newsone.com...]

21 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:00:34pm

re: #19 darthstar


Type my ass...

Baba! What's funny is as a preschool aged kid I apparently called my mom's mother Baba without knowing the Slavic roots of the word(mom's mom is Slovak).

22 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:01:27pm

re: #19 darthstar


Type my ass...

Pretty I said, pretty!

I went to a club run by 'the Russians' last time I was up in Seattle, I swear all the women in there looked exactly like this:

Image: passionate-russian-woman.jpg

I've never seen so many bleached blondes with giant boobs per capita ever.

(edit: also large men in track suits that looked like they could break me in half)

23 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:04:50pm

This is sheer pitiful desperation, folks. Who’s Herman Cain trying to fool at this point — America, or his wife?

The base.

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:04:57pm

re: #22 windsagio

Pretty I said, pretty!

I went to a club run by 'the Russians' last time I was up in Seattle, I swear all the women in there looked exactly like this:

Image: passionate-russian-woman.jpg

I've never seen so many bleached blondes with giant boobs per capita ever.

(edit: also large men in track suits that looked like they could break me in half)

I will crush you like stone but first we drink vodka. :)

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:05:13pm

Seekrit plot to oppress hippies passes senate....
Senate passes defense bill with detainee policy compromise

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:05:19pm

re: #22 windsagio

did [redacted who liked my old band] take you to russian club? :D

27 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:05:39pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I was actually more than a little intimidated, it was like walking into a mob movie.

28 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:06:00pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

My cousin Marc who is a sound engineer, yes. :D

29 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:06:30pm

re: #22 windsagio

Pretty I said, pretty!

I went to a club run by 'the Russians' last time I was up in Seattle, I swear all the women in there looked exactly like this:

Image: passionate-russian-woman.jpg

I've never seen so many bleached blondes with giant boobs per capita ever.

Same woman...different number of cocktails in the bloodstream.

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:06:56pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Image: troll_fail.jpg

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:07:28pm

re: #28 windsagio

My cousin Marc who is a sound engineer, yes. :D

You fool! Now Mandy Manners will stalk him with her imaginary child

32 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:08:14pm

re: #30 WindUpBird

Image: troll_fail.jpg

Where's my pepper spray?

33 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:08:34pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

I feel safe in this circumstance because he would fuck their world up.

He's the guy once who got paid in a hot pistol (yes that kind of hot).

... actually I probably shouldn't say any more >>

34 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:09:01pm

re: #11 ProLifeLiberal

Saw that story earlier. Each week makes me dislike the Likud Government more and more.

xenophobic conservatives who seek to sow hatred for political gain are the same the world over, who knew?

35 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:09:13pm

re: #30 WindUpBird

dude you really got into his head with the hippie thing didn't you?

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:09:25pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Image: troll_fail.jpg

37 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:10:32pm

re: #35 windsagio

dude you really got into his head with the hippie thing didn't you?

Lol I think it's hilarious.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:10:36pm

re: #27 windsagio

I was actually more than a little intimidated, it was like walking into a mob movie.

I don't blame you in the slightest. Had this one night in Vienna: Me, roomie, two Bulgarian dudes, and a cute Slovak bartender who I had a crush on since she loved me for being a fellow at least in part Slovak. Fun times since we were in the Red Light District.

39 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:10:44pm

re: #6 recusancy

Netanyahu Government Suggests Israelis Avoid Marrying American Jews

I paged this yesterday.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

As I concede at the end of the thread, the article (as especially the title) are somewhat misleading. I do agree with Goldberg though that this is a major slap in the face of American Jews, and I hate to think of the outrage that would result from the US government sponsoring ads in Israel appealing to the American expat community there to return home.

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:11:01pm

re: #35 windsagio

dude you really got into his head with the hippie thing didn't you?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

41 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:11:01pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

You fool! Now Mandy Manners will stalk him with her imaginary child

Sigh...poor Mandy. I hope she has gotten the help she needs.

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:12:01pm

re: #39 bratwurst

tribalism, it's what's for dinner


NOT ONE OF US NOT ONE OF US

43 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:12:10pm

re: #36 WindUpBird

Image: troll_fail.jpg

My apologies for interrupting a Cain thread with a breaking news story. I stand corrected.

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:12:41pm

re: #20 windsagio

not as real as Larry Elder!

(visual aid: [Link: cdn.newsone.com...]

The 90s REAL Blacks, women, feminists, gays, Indian-Americans, Cuban-American Latino Outreachers, etc., have nothing on today's versions!

45 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:13:28pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

You fool! Now Mandy Manners will stalk him with her imaginary child

Wait, she didn't actually have a son?

46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:14:08pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

My apologies for interrupting a Cain thread with a breaking news story [insert a witty dig at KT's stupid OWSOCD]. I stand corrected.

e_e

47 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:14:09pm

Heh...Rachel just did a side by side comparison of the Fox News treatment of Romney vs. Gingrich...No wonder Mitt is pissed off.

48 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:14:31pm

re: #45 Renaissance_Man

apparently his personal details varied substantially with the telling, so there's some question.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:15:10pm

re: #45 Renaissance_Man

Wait, she didn't actually have a son?

as other posters had pointed out on occasion, the particulars of the child kept changing

so either she had no child, or the child was trapped in the tardis or something

For all i know she actually has 8 kids, and is a lineman for the Steelers

50 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:15:35pm

re: #39 bratwurst

thx for the link, I was curious what the Usual Suspects had to say about that article.

51 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:16:06pm

re: #30 WindUpBird

Image: troll_fail.jpg

Did you post about the same issue earlier in the day?

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:16:58pm

re: #47 darthstar

Heh...Rachel just did a side by side comparison of the Fox News treatment of Romney vs. Gingrich...No wonder Mitt is pissed off.

Fox news of course wants Gingrich. Fox News wields more influence under an Obama administration than a Romney administration, which they would either have to oppose or carry water for, neither of which is what they want

sorta like how Rush did well under Clinton, they need a Great Satan to rally their drones :D

53 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:17:39pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

as other posters had pointed out on occasion, the particulars of the child kept changing

so either she had no child, or the child was trapped in the tardis or something

For all i know she actually has 8 kids, and is a lineman for the Steelers

She(?) was a piece of work. That much is true.

54 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:18:09pm

re: #53 darthstar

She(?) was a piece of work. That much is true.

I missed the whole melt-down.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:19:00pm

re: #51 ggt

Did you post about the same issue earlier in the day?

yep!

56 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:19:30pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Where's my pepper spray?

Vegetable aisle, with the pizza.

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:19:45pm

re: #53 darthstar

She(?) was a piece of work. That much is true.

She called me a homophobe one time for some comment regarding Palin. Was weird to say the least.

58 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:20:00pm

re: #54 ggt

was pretty standard really.

That's why KT's OWS nuttiness is kind of hypnotic, they all start that way, we have yet to see if he gets out of the barrel or goes over the falls.

59 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:20:02pm

re: #54 ggt

I missed the whole melt-down.

I did too...she just went after Charles, if I recall...but her religious bigotry was probably what got her banned more than anything else.

60 LadyBehir  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:20:05pm

I was not lurking for a long time and also missed the Mandy Melt Down. I need a scorecard and a spreadsheet on who is what anymore.

61 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:20:38pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

Fox news of course wants Gingrich. Fox News wields more influence under an Obama administration than a Romney administration, which they would either have to oppose or carry water for, neither of which is what they want

sorta like how Rush did well under Clinton, they need a Great Satan to rally their drones :D

Yeah, that's one thing I've heard more than once in recent weeks, that if Romney wins the nomination, some wingnuts may vote Obama, just so they don't have to defend a Romney presidency for 4 years.

62 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:20:43pm

bbiab

63 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:21:47pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

Fox news of course wants Gingrich. Fox News wields more influence under an Obama administration than a Romney administration, which they would either have to oppose or carry water for, neither of which is what they want

sorta like how Rush did well under Clinton, they need a Great Satan to rally their drones :D

Mitt Romney did an interview with Brett Baier (i think, soulless drone #5 as I call him) and basically called the guy on it and Foxes treatment of him in general soon as it was over.

Whole interview was questioned negative against Mitt.

64 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:22:03pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

She called me a homophobe one time for some comment regarding Palin. Was weird to say the least.

I got pissed and lit into her once...was offensive enough that she actually acknowledge it pleasantly.

65 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:22:54pm

90% of flounces from longterm members go the same way.

The member gets on a rant about something, gets unexpected opposition, digs in, and starts to escalate.

66 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:22:54pm

NOAA released the 2011 version of their Arctic Report Card this week:

Arctic settles into new phase – warmer, greener, and less ice

Youtube Video

PDF of the NOAA presentation

From the CSM summary article:

[...]

"We've got a new normal," says Don Perovich, a polar scientist with the US Army Corps of Engineers' Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory in Hanover, N.H. It's "a normal that has less ice, thinner ice, younger ice, a new normal where more light will be transmitted through the ice into the upper ocean. That has implications not just for the ice but for other components of the Arctic system."

Changes the report tracks "have long been predicted," notes Jonathan Overpeck, who is codirector of the Institute of the Environment at the University of Arizona in Tucson. "It is troubling how fast the change is proceeding. Of particular note is not just the sea-ice change, but the accelerating rate of Greenland Ice Sheet ice loss."

[...]

67 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:23:59pm

re: #64 darthstar

The dark evil side of me actually kind of misses her, she was really satisfying to tee off on, because she was absolutely guaranteed to say something entitled, horrible, insane, or usually all three at once.

68 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:24:48pm

re: #60 LadyBehir

I was not lurking for a long time and also missed the Mandy Melt Down. I need a scorecard and a spreadsheet on who is what anymore.

I was "here" but not here when Mandy went bye-bye, she was an acquired taste.

69 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:25:01pm

Hmmm..

Youtube Video
70 jaunte  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:25:21pm

re: #65 windsagio

Insisting that Tennessee didn't have a serious history of anti-minority discrimination was a pretty odd place to take a stand.

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:26:26pm

re: #64 darthstar

I got pissed and lit into her once...was offensive enough that she actually acknowledge it pleasantly.

Never got too angry with her but she never apologized for calling me homophobic when what I said had squat to do with sexual orientation or answered me when I and I think some others pressed her on it.

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:26:41pm

Clothes on the lawn, clothes on the lawn.

Looking like a fool with your clothes on the lawn.

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:27:14pm

re: #70 jaunte

Insisting that Tennessee didn't have a serious history of anti-minority discrimination was a pretty odd place to take a stand.

Birthplace of the fucking Klan. Not that my state's history is better.

74 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:27:57pm

It keeps getting better.

There is Republican Jewish debate next Wednesday the 7th and all the regulars are committed except for one - Ron Paul. The sponsors said he was not welcome since he is too "extreme".

Odd that such a "debate" exists and that they deliberately exclude the non-interventionist Ron Paul as an extremist.

75 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:28:08pm

re: #54 ggt

I missed the whole melt-down.

Mandy is a staunch Conservative woman..She is also very patriotic...I always got along with her...No we didn't agree on alot of political stuff...I felt we always respected each others position because we respected each other on the Net...
I used to send her pictures of Jordan in Iraq..Even the one of him Standing in his under wear flexing his muscles in front of HQ in Fallujah..
Honey bear don't give a shit

76 LadyBehir  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:30:06pm

Wait, there's a pic of a hot young man in his underwear flexing in Fallujah and I haven't seen it? Do I have to pay or subscribe or what???

77 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:30:25pm

re: #75 HoosierHoops

Mandy is a staunch Conservative woman..She is also very patriotic...I always got along with her...No we didn't agree on alot of political stuff...I felt we always respected each others position because we respected each other on the Net...
I used to send her pictures of Jordan in Iraq..Even the one of him Standing in his under wear flexing his muscles in front of HQ in Fallujah..
Honey bear don't give a shit

Shame that 'Conservative' now means 'radical whose primary motivation is a pathological hatred of anyone that media personalities label as liberal'.

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:30:38pm

re: #74 Linden Arden

It keeps getting better.

There is Republican Jewish debate next Wednesday the 7th and all the regulars are committed except for one - Ron Paul. The sponsors said he was not welcome since he is too "extreme".

Odd that such a "debate" exists and that they deliberately exclude the non-interventionist Ron Paul as an extremist.

Controlling the message, excluding dissent

79 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:31:18pm

re: #74 Linden Arden

It keeps getting better.

There is Republican Jewish debate next Wednesday the 7th and all the regulars are committed except for one - Ron Paul. The sponsors said he was not welcome since he is too "extreme".

Odd that such a "debate" exists and that they deliberately exclude the non-interventionist Ron Paul as an extremist.

And the others aren't extreme?

80 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:32:18pm

re: #77 Renaissance_Man

Shame that 'Conservative' now means 'radical whose primary motivation is a pathological hatred of anyone that media personalities label as liberal'.

That pretty much seemed to sum up her attitude to posters who were to the left of that nice Sherrif Joe of Arizona.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:32:50pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

And the others aren't extreme?

they're extreme in ways the Republican Jewish Coalition isn't too concerned with :)

82 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:33:08pm

re: #74 Linden Arden

It keeps getting better.

There is Republican Jewish debate next Wednesday the 7th and all the regulars are committed except for one - Ron Paul. The sponsors said he was not welcome since he is too "extreme".

Odd that such a "debate" exists and that they deliberately exclude the non-interventionist Ron Paul as an extremist.

That makes no sense, considering "extreme" describes them all.

83 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:33:25pm

re: #70 jaunte

Insisting that Tennessee didn't have a serious history of anti-minority discrimination was a pretty odd place to take a stand.

Totally in character though, remember that getting her to change her classless ass, Calvin peeing on the Arabic name for God avatar was like pulling teeth.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:33:46pm

re: #80 wozzablog

That pretty much seemed to sum up her attitude to posters who were to the left of that nice Sherrif Joe of Arizona.

everything I love about entitled moneyed people all in one ball of internet gas

85 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:35:28pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Totally in character though, remember that getting her to change her classless ass, Calvin peeing on the Arabic name for God avatar was like pulling teeth.

That was something special. That whole saga is now lore.

The whole thing was just *moves finger across bottom lip very quickly and blows raspberry* like that

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:35:37pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Totally in character though, remember that getting her to change her classless ass, Calvin peeing on the Arabic name for God avatar was like pulling teeth.

I remember seeing or hearing about that. Thought it was totally classless and stupid since she'd be offending Arab Christians who allow say Allah for God not to mention the obvious and knowing someone like her would be pissed to high heaven if the table was turned.

87 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:36:57pm

re: #74 Linden Arden

It keeps getting better.

There is Republican Jewish debate next Wednesday the 7th and all the regulars are committed except for one - Ron Paul. The sponsors said he was not welcome since he is too "extreme".

Odd that such a "debate" exists and that they deliberately exclude the non-interventionist Ron Paul as an extremist.

Ron Paul has a long, well established track record of rank, weasely anti-semitism. He could be the most interventionist motherfucker running and they'd still justifiably ban his ass.

88 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:38:07pm

Wow, there really is a Republican Jewish Coalition debate

What's the constituency for that?

Sheldon Adelson and 2 or 3 other people?

89 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:38:49pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

Ron Paul has a long, well established track record of rank, weasely anti-semitism. He could be the most interventionist motherfucker running and they'd still justifiably ban his ass.

I wasn't aware of that.

90 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:38:53pm

re: #76 LadyBehir

Wait, there's a pic of a hot young man in his underwear flexing in Fallujah and I haven't seen it? Do I have to pay or subscribe or what???

LOL
When Jordan was in Iraq all my Avatars was of him and 1st Platoon...Had some great pics of our young heroes..
During his countdown to come home I swore when he landed safely home my Avatar was going to be either me or the Dog floating around the swimming pool.. Not a care in the world

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:39:14pm

re: #88 wilburs

the constituency is evangelical christians


see also: netanyahu speaking at extreme evangelical right wing event

92 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:39:33pm

re: #88 wilburs

There's a minority of ultra-rightwing religious conservative Jews in the US, kind of (or almost perfectly) paralleling the christian coalition types.

93 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:40:06pm

re: #91 WindUpBird

the constituency is evangelical christians

see also: netanyahu speaking at extreme evangelical right wing event

Gullible right wing nutbars are Bibi's retirement plan.

94 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:40:31pm

re: #88 wilburs

Wow, there really is a Republican Jewish Coalition debate

What's the constituency for that?

Sheldon Adelson and 2 or 3 other people?

I read it as a NeoCon debate - Kristol, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith.

95 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:41:32pm

its kind of a wedge issue thing too, akin to the people who went Republican after 9/11 due to the "Threat of Radical Islam".

96 theheat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:43:20pm

I imagine Cain's wife has a few new baubles and her hand firmly on the checkbook. Perhaps she and Newt's wife can exchange Tiffany gift catalogs while they smile at whatever incredible shit comes out of their husbands' mouths.

If she leaves him, he's sunk, and he knows it. I imagine he's already consulted with Tiger Woods and Jesse James and John Edwards about how this kind of thing turns out, and formed a new strategy: buy the wives really nice shit and deny it until the sex tape is leaked.

97 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:43:25pm

re: #89 Linden Arden

I wasn't aware of that.

Ron Paul's antipathy towards Jews goes way back:

A 1987 issue of Paul’s Investment Letter called Israel “an aggressive, national socialist state,” and a 1990 newsletter discussed the “tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to wok [sic] for the Mossad in their area of expertise.” Of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a newsletter said, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.”

98 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:44:06pm

re: #96 theheat

I imagine Cain's wife has a few new baubles and her hand firmly on the checkbook. Perhaps she and Newt's wife can exchange Tiffany gift catalogs while they smile at whatever incredible shit comes out of their husbands' mouths.

If she leaves him, he's sunk, and he knows it. I imagine he's already consulted with Tiger Woods and Jesse James and John Edwards about how this kind of thing turns out, and formed a new strategy: buy the wives really nice shit and deny it until the sex tape is leaked.

Which?

99 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:44:27pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Ron Paul's antipathy towards Jews goes way back:

national socialist state? Coming from a guy who has no problem getting cash from Neo-Nazis, that's rich.

100 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:44:49pm

re: #96 theheat

Kobe Bryant bought his wife a huge diamond after assaulting the hotel employee.

101 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:45:00pm

re: #94 Linden Arden

I read it as a NeoCon debate - Kristol, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith.

AKA the gang that couldn't shoot straight

102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:46:38pm

Ron Paul has a long history taking money from bigots. Didn't he refuse to give money back donated by Don Black the Neo-Nazi?

103 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:47:25pm

After today's announcement by Newt that he has already won, I'm sure Callista is already at Tiffany's picking out the new Crown jewells

104 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:48:17pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Well, hell. That makes it even better.

I hope Ron Paul gets pissed off enough at the Neo-con-men that he runs third party. His fans deserve to have their 10% of the right-wing vote wasted.

105 theheat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:48:47pm

re: #100 prairiefire

It's legal, unspoken, blackmail. Which I support, unless the casualty is discrediting someone who is telling the truth. Then it goes from tactical marriage negotiations to being a greedy bitch throwing someone (telling the truth) under the bus.

106 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:48:59pm

re: #103 wilburs

After today's announcement by Newt that he has already won, I'm sure Callista is already at Tiffany's picking out the new Crown jewells

If she doesn't already keep those locked up in a box in the married home she is going to be the new ex-mrs Newt.

107 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:50:15pm

re: #104 Linden Arden

Well, hell. That makes it even better.

I hope Ron Paul gets pissed off enough at the Neo-con-men that he runs third party. His fans deserve to have their 10% of the right-wing vote wasted.

I wonder if he is going to have his own convention, like he did in 2008 when the GOP refused to allow him at theirs

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:52:06pm

re: #104 Linden Arden

Well, hell. That makes it even better.

I hope Ron Paul gets pissed off enough at the Neo-con-men that he runs third party. His fans deserve to have their 10% of the right-wing vote wasted.

He's probably a lot more likely to run if Romney is on track to take the nomination


then he can be Ross Perot II

109 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:52:11pm

I wonder why he didn't run in 08. He had the fanbase for it and then he bitched that Bob Barr wasn't libertarian enough and supported the very unlibertarian Chuck Baldwin. Not that I like Barr but Paul's a whiny bastard.

110 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:55:29pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Birthplace of the fucking Klan. Not that my state's history is better.

I thought that was Indiana--no?

111 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:56:01pm

re: #110 ggt

I thought that was Indiana--no?

yes..

112 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:56:54pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I wonder why he didn't run in 08. He had the fanbase for it and then he bitched that Bob Barr wasn't libertarian enough and supported the very unlibertarian Chuck Baldwin. Not that I like Barr but Paul's a whiny bastard.

There are several Paulians on my fbook page -I'm sure they'd back him 3rd party. They aren't natural republicans at the moment these people.

113 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:57:01pm

re: #110 ggt

I thought that was Indiana--no?

That was the second edition of the Klan after WW1

114 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:59:41pm

re: #113 wilburs

That was the second edition of the Klan after WW1

ah!

115 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:00:20pm

Herman Cain's venture is either the single most pathetic Presidential campaign or the single greatest pizza ad in American history.

116 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:01:31pm

re: #114 ggt

ah!

Yeah it was a group of Confederate veterans in Pulaski. And I actually think Georigia is the birthplace of the second Klan technically but Indiana had tons of KKK influence. New Jersey and the OC too.

117 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:01:58pm

re: #115 SidewaysQuark

Herman Cain's venture is either the single most pathetic Presidential campaign or the single greatest pizza ad in American history.

Rudy and Thompson '08 were both much more pathetic as campaigns.

This Cain thing is to use the technical term - a clusterfuck of a campaign.

118 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:02:19pm

That was a really sad ad.

119 DeepBlue  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:03:34pm

I suspect that it was not a 'lie detector' but instead a 'delusion detector' and he had mistakenly aimed it at his self. It's a common problem among Republicans. Really, they should be labeled more clearly.

120 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:04:06pm

re: #115 SidewaysQuark

Herman Cain's venture is either the single most pathetic Presidential campaign or the single greatest pizza ad in American history.

Required viewing.....

Herman Cain is Performance Art.

Youtube Video
121 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:04:32pm

the far-right Clown Show continues....

122 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:05:16pm

re: #117 wozzablog

Rudy and Thompson '08 were both much more pathetic as campaigns.

This Cain thing is to use the technical term - a clusterfuck of a campaign.

I remember conservatives I knew telling me as a liberal I should be petrifeid of Thompson as a GE candidate. I think by petrified they meant "You'll end up being like Rip Van Winkle and sleep through the campaign." At least Rudy had the excuse of being a twice divorced socially liberal Catholic.

123 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:05:32pm

i can't say i'm really interested in hearing the upcoming ginger white interview on o'donnell tonite

cain is not just cooked, he's overdone

124 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:05:46pm

re: #121 rockeid

Speaking of which:

[Link: video.foxnews.com...]

125 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:06:24pm

re: #123 engineer dog

i can't say i'm really interested in hearing the upcoming ginger white interview on o'donnell tonite

cain is not just cooked, he's overdone

stick a fork in him.

126 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:06:31pm

OT: So I'm not usually a fan of Christian soft rock, but I went to school with one of these guys, and credit where credit is due, I'm pretty damn impressed:

Youtube Video
127 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:08:39pm

re: #126 McSpiff

OT: So I'm not usually a fan of Christian soft rock, but I went to school with one of these guys, and credit where credit is due, I'm pretty damn impressed:

[Video]

If it had been Creed I would have been forced to have hurt you.

128 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:09:55pm

re: #127 wozzablog

If it had been Creed I would have to have hurt you.

If it was Creed, there would have been self-harm.

129 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:10:54pm

re: #126 McSpiff

OT: So I'm not usually a fan of Christian soft rock

[Video]

Luke 6:39

"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the bland lead the bland? shall they not both fall into the ditch?"

130 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:11:14pm

Is that a lie in your pocket ...

131 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:11:37pm

I think Cain's campaign is the closest we'll ever come to a Palin presidential run.

132 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:12:13pm

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wha ? .....

133 McSpiff  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:12:52pm

Idea: Mastercard/Visa should allow merchants to register their website. So if I'm trying to find that awesome Korean place I ate at last night, I can just click a link from my banking app.

134 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:13:11pm

It's sad state of affairs with Luap Nor's attack ad on Newt is better than Cains ad about himself.

Well, it's a sad state of affairs that we are critiquing political ads at all, IMHO.

135 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:13:50pm

re: #132 Ojoe

Wha ? ...

Should thought that out a bit better. I meant to say Cain's campaign has been the closest we'll ever get to seeing what a Palin campaign would have been like.

136 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:13:58pm

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think Cain's campaign is the closest we'll ever come to a Palin presidential run.

Morbid Curiosity

Youtube Video
137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:14:30pm

I remember this ad Thompson did. Cigar and all, where he re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Should thought that out a bit better. I meant to say Cain's campaign has been the closest we'll ever get to seeing what a Palin campaign would have been like.

Yeah I got you. I dunno. She'd be bad but Cain may have elapsed even her with his fails.

138 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:15:24pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Cain is way worse if you ask me.

139 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:16:09pm

re: #136 wozzablog

Morbid Curiosity

[Video]

"Reminds me of when everyone in South Carolina elected Lynsey Graham just because they thought it would be hilarious".

140 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:16:26pm

So far today, I've learned that the Obama Administration's Office of Science and Technology works to promote and fund Science Education, Science Teacher Education, Fund both and has implemented a plan to separate Science from Politics.

I'm rather happy about all that.

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:16:42pm

re: #138 Ojoe

Cain is way worse if you ask me.

I dunno Palin can be pretty bad too. Remember when she likened criticism of her to a blood libel following Gabby Giffords' shooting. She has at least been elected to a government position to her credit though which is more than you can say about Cain.

142 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:16:57pm

re: #138 Ojoe

Cain is way worse if you ask me.

Cain has fewer (i.e NO) political instincts than Palin.

Hard to believe.

143 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:17:00pm

I read a wingnut comment the other day claiming that Cain had been "Palinized" by the media

ie. asked simple questions to which he was unable to formulate even a stupid response to.

144 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:17:23pm

9.99 Pizza!

Anyway you slice it, It has anchovies & it smells like fish.

145 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:18:03pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Palin could never dream up something as insane as 9-9-9.

146 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:18:11pm

re: #144 Ojoe

9.99 Pizza!

Anyway you slice it, It has anchovies & it smells like fish.

ewwww!

147 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:18:56pm

re: #145 Linden Arden

Palin could never dream up something as insane as 9-9-9.

drill baby, drill

148 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:19:22pm

re: #130 Ojoe

Is that a lie in your pocket ...

You want a job, don't you?

149 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:20:07pm

re: #145 Linden Arden

Palin could never dream up something as insane as 9-9-9.

She can't count that high.

150 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:20:12pm

re: #140 ggt

If you watched the Hannity Gingrich video I linked, Gingrich makes it quite clear he'd eliminate on the first day all such offices.

Speaking of the Grinch:

How Gingrich Landed on Love Seat With Pelosi

We know that $5k is too little for Perry; Gingrich apparently also goes for a much higher price.

151 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:20:32pm

Isn't there another debate Saturday night?

Even money Cain doesn't show up.

152 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:21:01pm

re: #146 ggt

Yeah I know, that was bad.

But I can't stand the guy, especially after he said that if you're not employed and rich, it is your own fault because you haven't worked hard enough.

That fails the compassion test.

I work at a food bank (day job) and believe me there are plenty of people coming through the line these days with no job and it is not because they haven't worked hard all their lives.

I despise Cain for that one remark alone.

154 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:22:33pm

re: #151 Linden Arden

Isn't there another debate Saturday night?

Even money Cain doesn't show up.

He's reading Israel for dummies right now

155 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:22:36pm

re: #149 darthstar

Did you read her recent editorial in the Wall Street Journal? She's gotten better is all I can say.

156 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:22:40pm

re: #138 Ojoe

Cain is way worse if you ask me.

I think what made Cain so desirable there for a while is the same reason that Palin appealed to so many wingnuts: He's so visibly ignorant, he comes off as non-threatening. Just like the famous "Noun, verb, 9/11" bit from '08, Cain's biggest selling point was "Noun, verb, 999." As noted above, had these accusations not come out, he'd probably still be seen as the "front-runner."

157 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:23:26pm

re: #151 Linden Arden

Huckabee has jumped in and added one (yes, in a couple of days) after the DSM Register cancelled theirs:

[Link: www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com...]

158 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:23:40pm

re: #152 Ojoe

Yeah I know, that was bad.

But I can't stand the guy, especially after he said that if you're not employed and rich, it is your own fault because you haven't worked hard enough.

That fails the compassion test.

I work at a food bank (day job) and believe me there are plenty of people coming through the line these days with no job and it is not because they haven't worked hard all their lives.

I despise Cain for that one remark alone.

That one came after the no Muslims in his Cabinet quote.

159 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:23:40pm

re: #152 Ojoe

Yeah I know, that was bad.

But I can't stand the guy, especially after he said that if you're not employed and rich, it is your own fault because you haven't worked hard enough.

That fails the compassion test.

I work at a food bank (day job) and believe me there are plenty of people coming through the line these days with no job and it is not because they haven't worked hard all their lives.

I despise Cain for that one remark alone.

He's a piece of work that one. I hadn't heard that one but his foreign policy willing ignorance drives me nuts.

160 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:23:40pm

re: #155 Ojoe

Did you read her recent editorial in the Wall Street Journal? She's Her ghost writer has gotten better is all I can say.

Fixed.

161 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:23:48pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

India monitors Iran ship carrying armed men to OWS rally

Fixed it for ya...no need to thank me.

162 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:24:32pm

re: #161 darthstar

Fied it for ya...no need to thank me.

Those vegan hippies ain't fishin'!

163 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:25:24pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Those vegan hippies ain't fishin'!

Two words: sea cucumbers

164 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:25:31pm

re: #160 publicityStunted

Well OK but

"If a person is not wise themselves they cannot be well advised."

—Niccolo Machiavelli

BBL

165 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:25:32pm

Anyone playing the new Saint's Row? Any good?

166 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:25:33pm

re: #155 Ojoe

Did you read her recent editorial in the Wall Street Journal? She's gotten better is all I can say.

Would have been hard to get worse.
And they have always had great subs and editors at the WSJ, even tho it's now just the New york Post for people too ashamed to be seen reading the New york Post in public.

167 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:25:35pm

Another debate?! Alright, I confess, I was the second gunman! I don't know how, as I wasn't born until '84, but it was me!

168 Linden Arden  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:25:46pm

"Communities have the right to ban mosques" from Cain was the height of ignorance - and a sure sign he is a "Constitutional conservative".

169 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:26:35pm

re: #168 Linden Arden

"Communities have the right to ban mosques" from Cain was the height of ignorance - and a sure sign he is a "Constitutional conservative".

That first amendment is a pain in the ass isn't it?

170 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:26:41pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Anyone playing the new Saint's Row? Any good?

Figuring on putting it on my short list of "hints" for Christmas this year. I heard nothing but glowing reviews about its predecessors, so I'm willing to give it a try.

172 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:26:41pm

re: #157 freetoken

Huckabee has jumped in and added one (yes, in a couple of days) after the DSM Register cancelled theirs:

[Link: www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com...]

So it's not a debate, it's an hour and a half of individual interviews...?

173 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:27:57pm

re: #170 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Figuring on putting it on my short list of "hints" for Christmas this year. I heard nothing but glowing reviews about its predecessors, so I'm willing to give it a try.

I might give it a shot depending on the price. I'm looking at a new game for the x-mas season. Skyrim is too expensive.

174 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:28:28pm

re: #172 JasonA

Probably more Come-to-Jesus stories, like in the last Iowa "debate".

175 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:28:39pm

re: #172 JasonA

So it's not a debate, it's an hour and a half of individual interviews...?

Hour and a half? Hell, I can shorten their "interviews" down to 1 minute: "Obama is very bad, he is an evil socialist dictator, and my presidency will see me become greater than George Washington! Elect me!"

176 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:28:41pm

I am starting to think Romney is not going to get the nomination.

177 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:28:51pm

re: #172 JasonA

So it's not a debate, it's an hour and a half of individual interviews...?

Just with Mike moderating?.

Oh, lord.

Romney will be hurt and hurt bad.

178 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:29:03pm

re: #174 freetoken

Probably more Come-to-Jesus stories, like in the last Iowa "debate".

I was spared that one.

179 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:29:42pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I might give it a shot depending on the price. I'm looking at a new game for the x-mas season. Skyrim is too expensive.

It came out the same week as Skyrim, and it's supposed to be pretty popular, so I'd say they're the same price.

Usually prices don't start coming down before the 3-4 month mark.

180 wee fury  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:29:45pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The sink led to a skirmish and police moved in.

Every Occupier needs a kitchen sink in their tent. . . dishes and whatnot, you know.

181 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:30:01pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I might give it a shot depending on the price. I'm looking at a new game for the x-mas season. Skyrim is too expensive.

...and I'm bored with "serious" games from douchebags who think their tired plots about saving the "girl" from an "evil corporation" are actually interesting.

182 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:30:01pm

re: #177 wozzablog

Just with Mike moderating?.

Oh, lord.

Romney will be hurt and hurt bad.

He's going have to promise to get a national personhood amendment passed to get some points with Huck.

183 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:30:41pm

re: #178 JasonA

I was spared that one.

I had to quit after the one before. My liver was threatening to file a restraining order.

184 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:30:59pm

re: #170 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Figuring on putting it on my short list of "hints" for Christmas this year. I heard nothing but glowing reviews about its predecessors, so I'm willing to give it a try.

I played the second one. Missions felt too repetitive for me though character modification was fun. I'm getting the MGS HD collection for the PS3. Don't have a PSP so I never got to play Peace Walker. Love that series. Been playing it since I got MGS for the PSX when I was 12.

185 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:31:11pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

...and I'm bored with "serious" games from douchebags who think their tired plots about saving the "girl" from an "evil corporation" are actually interesting.

Dead Island's on sale for $20 on Amazon. I'd pick it up if I weren't neck deep in Skyrim right now.

186 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:32:07pm

re: #176 prairiefire

I am starting to think Romney is not going to get the nomination.

Gingrich with all his personal baggage, all his flip flops, all the video about of him supporting the individual mandate, all his lobbying - in a general - against a clean cut family man?

Social conservatives worst nightmare, go for the family man....he's Muslim...wait, what?...../

187 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:32:13pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The sink led to a skirmish and police moved in.

Top GOP Strategist Admits He’s ‘Scared’ Of Occupy Wall Street Because It’s ‘Having An Impact’

Luntz told attendees that he’s “scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I’m frightened to death.” The pollster warned that the movement is “having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism.” So the pollster offered some advice for them about how to fight back. Here’s a few snippets of what he said, according to Moody:

– Don’t Mention Capitalism: Luntz said that his polling research found that “The public…still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we’re seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we’ve got a problem.”

– Empathize With The 99 Percent Protesters: Luntz instructed attendees to tell protesters that they “get it”: “First off, here are three words for you all: ‘I get it.’ … ‘I get that you’re. I get that you’ve seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system.”

– Don’t Say Bonus: Luntz told Republicans to re-frame the concept of the bonus payment — which bailed-out Wall Street doles out to its employees during holidays — as “pay for performance” instead.

– Don’t Mention The Middle Class Because Americans Don’t Trust Republicans To Defend It: “They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers,” Luntz instructed the audience. “We can say we defend the ‘middle class’ and the public will say, I’m not sure about that. But defending ‘hardworking taxpayers’ and Republicans have the advantage.”

– Don’t Talk About Taxing The Rich: Luntz reminded Republicans that Americans actually do want to tax the rich, so he reccommended they instead say that the government “takes from the rich.”

Frank Luntz is no minor pollster. He is considered to be one of the top political communications experts in the world, having provided consulting to many of the world’s top corporations, politicians, and special interest groups. That Luntz is admitting the impact of Occupy Wall Street and the 99 Percent and telling closed-door meetings of Republicans that it frightens him is a huge victory for the movement.

188 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:32:22pm

That Batman game sounds good. Not a batman fan but I hear it's a stealth game and you can probably tell from my alluded love of MGS that I am a stealth junkie.

189 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:32:52pm

Perspective from think Progress: Cops Invade Occupy Boston To Seize Its Sink
Kent Sink moment?

190 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:33:11pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I played the second one. Missions felt too repetitive for me though character modification was fun. I'm getting the MGS HD collection for the PS3. Don't have a PSP so I never got to play Peace Walker. Love that series. Been playing it since I got MGS for the PSX when I was 12.

I stopped playing MGS after Sons of Liberty. When the cut-scenes start nearing feature-length status and crowd out gameplay, the folks in charge have lost sight of what it is they're creating.

191 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:33:30pm

re: #187 engineer dog

this deserves to be a front page post.

192 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:33:53pm

re: #185 JasonA

Dead Island's on sale for $20 on Amazon. I'd pick it up if I weren't neck deep in Skyrim right now.

That's a consideration.

193 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:34:28pm

re: #187 engineer dog

“First off, here are three words for you all: ‘I get it.’ … ‘I get that you’re. I get that you’ve seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system.”

Most Republicans would have to spend 4 years taking drama lessons to pull that off convincingly.

194 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:34:33pm

re: #176 prairiefire

I am starting to think Romney is not going to get the nomination.

after watching rachel's piece today about romney and the "murdoch primary", i'm beginning to wonder myself - can romney be nominated if fox wants to stop him?

but how can the gop hope to win with anybody else?

195 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:35:12pm

Police take sink from Occupy Boston

Youtube Video

First they came for the sinks but I was silent.....
196 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:35:19pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

(from article)

Boston Police have consistently prevented Occupy Boston from bringing in winterized tents, insulation materials, and other safety equipment, calling it “contraband.”

Contraband? Really?

197 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:35:22pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I might give it a shot depending on the price. I'm looking at a new game for the x-mas season. Skyrim is too expensive.

Hey KT.. I got my new Blackberry today..Took hours to set up all the Enterprise Network stuff and play around with the new features...one touch facebook and twitter and a HD camera.. I played around all day with my new phone.. My old BB has been broke for a week...I can't live without a BB for work and stuff...
I come home.. I have 4 BB chargers here.. They changed the config for the charger.. My new phone is stone cold dead right now and the new charger is in my cube at work..
I'd be really pissed right now if it wasn't so dang funny.. I can't get a break this week...

198 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:35:36pm

re: #194 engineer dog

after watching rachel's piece today about romney and the "murdoch primary", i'm beginning to wonder myself - can romney be nominated if fox wants to stop him?

but how can the gop hope to win with anybody else?

They can't. Which is why Team Obama is joining in the Romney pile-on.

199 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:35:40pm

re: #182 JasonA

He's going have to promise to get a national personhood amendment passed to get some points with Huck.

He has to hold out against that or be wiiped in the General. Women are not the majority of GOP voters, but by golly enough will leave to make it a landslide.

Romney has to stay looking moderate for the GEneral and hope newt explodes or the convention splits between nutbars.

200 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:36:08pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Police take sink from Occupy Boston

[Video]
First they came for the sinks but I was silent...

AND THEN YOU FUCKERS WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM BEING DIRTY!!!11!!11

201 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:36:53pm

re: #190 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I stopped playing MGS after Sons of Liberty. When the cut-scenes start nearing feature-length status and crowd out gameplay, the folks in charge have lost sight of what it is they're creating.

Snake Eater and Guns of Patriots were solid games but I can see why the cut-scenes turned you off. A fairly stealth series that I'd love to have seen take a next generational bounce was Syphon Filter. Not in MGS's league but I had so much fun with the taser and gas grenades in the first game.

202 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:37:07pm

re: #196 windsagio

Fuck your constitutional right to property.

203 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:37:12pm

re: #191 windsagio

this deserves to be a front page post.

Lots of people have posted links to that story in the comments today. My personal favorite is the one from ClimateProgress:

So just as he did with his infamous 2003 global warming warming memo – which taught conservatives how to sound like they care about the issue while opposing all action — Luntz has some key advice for Republicans on how to pretend to care about regular people while continuing to screw them over.
...
Democrats do sometimes misuse the language and create euphemisms. All politicians do. But it is Luntz and his legion of conservative followers who have twisted the English language beyond recognition. They are the true Orwellians. The GOP parrot him as if they were reciting lessons in grammar school
...
So I’ll end with some old advice of Luntz’s:

"There’s a simple rule: You say it again, and you say it again, and you say it again, and you say it again, and you say it again, and then again and again and again and again, and about the time that you’re absolutely sick of saying it is about the time that your target audience has heard it for the first time."

Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism. Capitalism.

I think people are finally hearing it.

204 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:37:18pm

re: #194 engineer dog

after watching rachel's piece today about romney and the "murdoch primary", i'm beginning to wonder myself - can romney be nominated if fox wants to stop him?

but how can the gop hope to win with anybody else?

At this point, the only cannon fodder...er, candidate left is Newt. Santorum would sink as badly as Bachmann has, while Huntsman actually has something in his head other than a brain stem and thus is disqualified, and the only way Crazy Uncle Ron wins the nomination is if the GOP leadership suffers a collective stroke.

If Newt actually wins, then the campaign ads write themselves.

205 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:37:40pm

re: #202 windsagio

Fuck your constitutional right to property.

"We find these sinks to be self evident..."

206 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:37:50pm

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Hey KT.. I got my new Blackberry today..Took hours to set up all the Enterprise Network stuff and play around with the new features...one touch facebook and twitter and a HD camera.. I played around all day with my new phone.. My old BB has been broke for a week...I can't live without a BB for work and stuff...
I come home.. I have 4 BB chargers here.. They changed the config for the charger.. My new phone is stone cold dead right now and the new charger is in my cube at work..
I'd be really pissed right now if it wasn't so dang funny.. I can't get a break this week...

O.o Sounds like you haven't had a BB in a while then. They haven't used mini-usb in over a year and a half.

207 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:38:17pm

re: #202 windsagio

Fuck your constitutional right to property.

Conspicuous Consumption FTW

(just not of soap)

208 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:39:31pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Snake Eater and Guns of Patriots were solid games but I can see why the cut-scenes turned you off. A fairly stealth series that I'd love to have seen take a next generational bounce was Syphon Filter. Not in MGS's league but I had so much fun with the taser and gas grenades in the first game.

I remember Syphon Filter. It was actually pretty fun. Not stellar, but I definitely enjoyed it. Liked Splinter Cell a lot, though I haven't picked up one of those in a while.

209 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:40:09pm

that little addendum to the sink story has me really really really worked up, actually.

It's almost to bad, the story itself is damn funny, but it reflects an exceptionally unpleasant reality.

210 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:40:21pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Snake Eater and Guns of Patriots were solid games but I can see why the cut-scenes turned you off. A fairly stealth series that I'd love to have seen take a next generational bounce was Syphon Filter. Not in MGS's league but I had so much fun with the taser and gas grenades in the first game.

Yeah, the cruelty potential of using a taser to roast an NPC was hard to pass up. But otherwise, the gameplay was sort of "bleh." Not bad enough to deserve derision, but nothing I hadn't already seen. Think that's part of the reason why it's not gotten the upgrade/reboot other franchises have.

211 jaunte  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:40:37pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

India monitors Iran ship carrying armed men

Pretty far from Iran, and close to India:

200 to 440 km off the coast of the South West Indian state of Kerala.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

212 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:40:45pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

"We find these sinks to be self evident..."

Only updinged because I laughed.

213 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:41:48pm

re: #212 JasonA

heh you have to give humor credit no matter what :D

214 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:43:11pm

re: #213 windsagio

heh you have to give humor credit no matter what :D

Humor Credit charges 278.99% APR, gotta read the fine print man.

215 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:43:49pm

Fixing A Hole

Youtube Video
216 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:44:04pm

re: #214 wozzablog

The Humor Credit charges 278.99% APR, gotta read the fine print man.

I can't find "wozzablog" on Facebook. : )

217 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:44:17pm

re: #206 JasonA

O.o Sounds like you haven't had a BB in a while then. They haven't used mini-usb in over a year and a half.

I've had company supplied BB for years now.. I love em and it is totally free for me.. My last one was the world edition...Loved that phone..oh well...
Can't believe they changed their charger.. They did it for the money...
Surprise!

218 jaunte  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:44:17pm

In the ensuing sink seizure chaos, occupier Suzi Pietroluongo was stepped on by a police officer.

219 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:46:46pm

re: #217 HoosierHoops

I've had company supplied BB for years now.. I love em and it is totally free for me.. My last one was the world edition...Loved that phone..oh well...
Can't believe they changed their charger.. They did it for the money...
Surprise!

I think Europe has something to do with that, too. They passed regulations to standardize cell phone charging ports, which is why micro-usb is finding it's way onto everything now. It's really just Apple that's being ornery now.

220 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:48:22pm

re: #216 prairiefire

I can't find "wozzablog" on Facebook. : )

I'm gonna turn my nic blue, just for you ;-)

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:48:27pm

re: #11 ProLifeLiberal

Saw that story earlier. Each week makes me dislike the Likud Government more and more.

Strongly doubt that this would have not have been approved if Meretz had formed the government.

This kind of thing is heavy-handed and stupid, and goes way, way back.

222 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:49:38pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Perspective from think Progress: Cops Invade Occupy Boston To Seize Its Sink
Kent Sink moment?

People died at Kent State. It was the turning point in the population against the Viet Nam war and against civil protest being suppressed by our own National Guard. Have the Guard been called upon to quell civil unrest since then?

223 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:50:05pm

re: #191 windsagio

this deserves to be a front page post.

i haz gone and made it into My First LGF Page

224 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:50:24pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

heavy-handed and stupid, and goes way, way back.

So, you were the one who edited my bio on Wikipedia...

225 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:50:50pm

re: #223 engineer dog

i haz gone and made it into My First LGF Page

u kan haz cheezburger

226 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:50:54pm

re: #208 JasonA

I remember Syphon Filter. It was actually pretty fun. Not stellar, but I definitely enjoyed it. Liked Splinter Cell a lot, though I haven't picked up one of those in a while.

They didn't release Conviction for the PS3. Still need to beat Double Agent which was neat because of the multiple choices element. SF missed the boat when they released 3 for the PSX after the PS2 had been out a good year and the PS2 game was mediocre First two games were solid 8s in my eyes though.

227 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:52:09pm

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the cruelty potential of using a taser to roast an NPC was hard to pass up. But otherwise, the gameplay was sort of "bleh." Not bad enough to deserve derision, but nothing I hadn't already seen. Think that's part of the reason why it's not gotten the upgrade/reboot other franchises have.

Yeah, I also found the story a little lame. I know it sounds silly but I've always been drawn to a ood story in a video game. BTW anyone else pumped for the new Twisted Metal. Twisted Metal II was after MGS for the PSX the first non-baseball game I really enjoyed.

228 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:52:09pm

re: #194 engineer dog

after watching rachel's piece today about romney and the "murdoch primary", i'm beginning to wonder myself - can romney be nominated if fox wants to stop him?

but how can the gop hope to win with anybody else?

The Base lives in an alternate universe. They think Romney is a sure loser, and that a movement conservative is a shoe-in to beat Obama.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:52:13pm

re: #54 ggt

I missed the whole melt-down.

The final straw was very anti-climactic.

230 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:53:09pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

The final straw was very anti-climactic.

Usually is . . .

231 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:53:40pm

re: #228 aagcobb

The Base lives in an alternate universe. They think Romney is a sure loser, and that a movement conservative is a shoe-in to beat Obama.

that is fer sure

232 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:53:51pm

re: #228 aagcobb

The Base lives in an alternate universe. They think Romney is a sure loser, and that a movement conservative is a shoe-in to beat Obama.

They're being told over and over and over again that most Americans think just like they do by the most-watched 24-hour cable news network in the country. It's not that surprising, really.

233 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:54:28pm

re: #219 JasonA

I think Europe has something to do with that, too. They passed regulations to standardize cell phone charging ports, which is why micro-usb is finding it's way onto everything now. It's really just Apple that's being ornery now.

Probably...I'm surprised I could only download about 5 of my contacts from the thousands on the Server.. It was another project tonight.. A dead phone will put a rapid end of technology..
So in the morning..When I'm drinking coffee and playing with my new phone..And you call me?
Leave a message..I'll get back with you...
No..I really will..If this dang phone would work...What the hell does this button do? Cool..
I'll call you back

234 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:55:11pm

re: #233 HoosierHoops

Probably...I'm surprised I could only download about 5 of my contacts from the thousands on the Server.. It was another project tonight.. A dead phone will put a rapid end of technology..
So in the morning..When I'm drinking coffee and playing with my new phone..And you call me?
Leave a message..I'll get back with you...
No..I really will..If this dang phone would work...What the hell does this button do? Cool..
I'll call you back

They at least hook you up with a shiny new Bold Touch?

235 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:56:11pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I also found the story a little lame. I know it sounds silly but I've always been drawn to a ood story in a video game. BTW anyone else pumped for the new Twisted Metal. Twisted Metal II was after MGS for the PSX the first non-baseball game I really enjoyed.

Yeah, a story is a big plus for me, but I agree with Yahtzee: The story and gameplay should go hand-in-hand. Neither should overshadow the other or be pumped up at the other's expense, and a great story can make up for bad gameplay but generally not vice versa.

Like Bioshock, which gets a bit too easy towards the end, and the final boss is such a let-down compared to earlier challenges, but the story is so engaging that it's in my top 5 list of all-time best games.

236 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:57:45pm

re: #228 aagcobb

The Base lives in an alternate universe. They think Romney is a sure loser, and that a movement conservative is a shoe-in to beat Obama.

They're convinced of it because believing that Romney actually stands a chance next year is to admit that a far-right, ideologically-"pure" ticket cannot win. And they don't want to admit that, because their ideology is really all they have left at this point.

237 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:58:52pm

One thing I've noticed the past few years is the buzzword: Transparency. Dodd-Frank calls for it, Obama calls for it, but I haven't seen too much of it from the Right.

With the banking fiasco, the Patriarchs must hate all the Transparency. They are going to fight back hard thru the election season.

Frank Luntz is going to make a fortune.

Like GKQ Man and Saddam Hussein most of them will die before giving up power.

238 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:59:17pm

re: #236 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't think a 'moderate' Republican has a bat's chance in hell of beating Obama, let alone a hard-right nutter.

239 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:59:58pm

re: #236 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They're convinced of it because believing that Romney actually stands a chance next year is to admit that a far-right, ideologically-"pure" ticket cannot win. And they don't want to admit that, because their ideology is really all they have left at this point.

Yeah, ignoring that the personhood amendment went down in the reddest state, anti-union provisions are being rolled back in public votes, the GOP tkt sank when Sarah came on board and that the nutbars cost them the senate in '10 is....just hopeless.

240 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #238 windsagio

I don't think a 'moderate' Republican has a bat's chance in hell of beating Obama, let alone a hard-right nutter.

You underestimate the power of fear among the theocrat's minions.

241 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #237 ggt

tansparency is the enemy of our wealth/power structure.

242 darthstar  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:00:30pm

Okay...having watched the Ginger White interview, I now feel sorry for her(she's a vulnerable and easy target for predators like Cain) and I remember that fame isn't the same thing as class...Cain's just a skank.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:00:30pm

re: #224 wozzablog

So, you were the one who edited my bio on Wikipedia...

Sorry!

No, seriously, the videos are infuriatingly stupid, but I've gotten the 'American Jews are dumb and assimilated and a threat to Israeliness' from right-wingers and left-wingers alike. It's a sibling rivalry thing, and also something that connects to Israel's brain drain fears. Little to do with international politics.

244 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:01:37pm

re: #232 JasonA

They're being told over and over and over again that most Americans think just like they do by the most-watched 24-hour cable news network in the country. It's not that surprising, really.

Exactly. And its not just Fox News. Its every political talk radio show, every website and right wing blog they read, its even the sermons they hear on Sunday and Wednesday, the songs they listen to on Christian radio, and the books they read. They are completely cocooned in an alternative culture which does not let in any information which contradicts their belief system.

245 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:02:36pm

re: #240 ggt

You underestimate the power of fear among the theocrat's minions.

The GOP is coming out the loser of the current deficit arguments (amazingly, whodathunkit?) and Obama clinched the 20-30 vote by killing OBL. Barring massive disenfranchisement or vote fraud, I'm absolutely certain he can win against anyone the GOP can muster.

(knock on wood, lol)

246 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:03:51pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

I think its interesting to the rest of us, because its a glimpse into a whole 'nother social world that we're usually not in the right place to see.

247 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:04:28pm

re: #234 JasonA

They at least hook you up with a shiny new Bold Touch?

I wish! Got the new curve...I can't complain.. It's a free company phone...Haven't seen a cell phone bill in 10 years..My company is really cool about that..

248 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:04:36pm

re: #245 windsagio

... I'm absolutely certain he can win against anyone the GOP can muster.

Oh? What if God gets frustrated with all those people to whom he told to run but ended up bailing on Him, and decides to come down here and run Himself?

249 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:04:36pm

re: #238 windsagio

I don't think a 'moderate' Republican has a bat's chance in hell of beating Obama, let alone a hard-right nutter.

I'm of the mind that had Romney '08 run this year and won the nomination, he would have been a tough challenge for Obama. Not only because he would have been able to suck up a lot of independent votes, but also due simply to disgust in the far-Left for Obama at this point. Crazy or not, the idea of a primary challenge being mounted against Obama has gained momentum even amongst some pundits. Those who don't believe that there's a "better" candidate out there think that a piss-poor candidate running against Obama would "get him in line."

250 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:05:33pm

re: #247 HoosierHoops

I wish! Got the new curve...I can't complain.. It's a free company phone...Haven't seen a cell phone bill in 10 years..My company is really cool about that..

Oh! I didn't realize you were a teenage girl!

/

(Sorry, but I gotta get in a dig on a guy with a Curve :P )

251 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:06:35pm

re: #248 freetoken

Oh? What if God gets frustrated with all those people to whom he told to run but ended up bailing on Him, and decides to come down here and run Himself?

If a Kenyan can run for President, so can a Nazarean!/

252 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:07:09pm

re: #251 aagcobb

If a Kenyan can run for President, so can a Nazarean!/

Hell, Newt is Ferengi.

253 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:07:56pm

re: #252 wozzablog

Hell, Newt is Ferengi.

Nah, Newt's a walking gasbag. Ross Perot was the Ferengi.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:08:27pm

re: #246 windsagio

I think its interesting to the rest of us, because its a glimpse into a whole 'nother social world that we're usually not in the right place to see.

I can see that. (I read Evangelical blogs for a similar reason.)

I agree with Goldberg on this one--beautiful footage of the beach in Eilat would have worked just fine...and not pissed off every American Jew in earshot.

255 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:09:04pm

re: #253 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, Newt's a walking gasbag. Ross Perot was the Ferengi.

Oh, a Bolian.

256 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:10:59pm

re: #255 wozzablog

Hey, my mac does not work with the LGF email system. Reine has my email. Do you have hers?

257 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:11:44pm

re the occupy boston cold weather thing: [Link: thinkprogress.org...]

The officer later explains that he doesn’t know why protection from the cold is banned in Boston, saying, “I just do what I’m told.”

That's what they all say, friend :) You just do what you're told. *pat, pat*

258 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:11:44pm

re: #250 JasonA

Oh! I didn't realize you were a teenage girl!

/

(Sorry, but I gotta get in a dig on a guy with a Curve :P )

LOL
Yes..A curve...Even Winston is putting distance between us...
*wink*

259 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:12:10pm

re: #249 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm of the mind that had Romney '08 run this year and won the nomination, he would have been a tough challenge for Obama. Not only because he would have been able to suck up a lot of independent votes, but also due simply to disgust in the far-Left for Obama at this point. Crazy or not, the idea of a primary challenge being mounted against Obama has gained momentum even amongst some pundits. Those who don't believe that there's a "better" candidate out there think that a piss-poor candidate running against Obama would "get him in line."

What I don't get is why '08 Romney was embraced by Limbaugh, Coulter, and now those same people are vehemently opposed to the guy.

260 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:13:01pm

I've picked up a few new followers on Twitter from my replying to certain tweets to #COP17. Yet I still find the whole twitter thing rather mindless. One is allowed too few characters to truly discuss anything. Pretty much all its good for is trading insults.

261 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:13:12pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

What I don't get is why '08 Romney was embraced by Limbaugh, Coulter, and now those same people are vehemently opposed to the guy.

Because in '08 he was the anti-McCain. Plus the individual mandate was still a Republican idea.

262 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:13:40pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

What I don't get is why '08 Romney was embraced by Limbaugh, Coulter, and now those same people are vehemently opposed to the guy.

For one, it was '08, back before the terrible blight that is "Obamacare" and the talks of how it drew inspiration from Romneycare. And two, compared to McCain at the time, he did read as a "conservative" to a lot of folks.

263 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:13:40pm

re: #257 WindUpBird

re the occupy boston cold weather thing: [Link: thinkprogress.org...]

That's what they all say, friend :) You just do what you're told. *pat, pat*

Good lord, that's the 'just following orders!' defense. That cop just Godwined himself!

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:13:53pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

What I don't get is why '08 Romney was embraced by Limbaugh, Coulter, and now those same people are vehemently opposed to the guy.

Because they're selling to their listeners.

if their listeners and fans like Romney? Then Rush/Coulter/etc love Romney.


if their listeners hate romney? Then they're against it.

It's like how Kiss took off the makeup and looked like a hair band in the 80's. That's the market!

265 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:14:03pm

re: #261 aagcobb

Because in '08 he was the anti-McCain. Plus the individual mandate was still a Republican idea.

and everyone has taken 3 steps to the right n the last 2 years

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:14:35pm

re: #263 windsagio

Good lord, that's the 'just following orders!' defense. That cop just Godwined himself!

Godwin is the new normal in America

267 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:15:33pm

Jon Stewart's new segment, How the Fuck is it that Martha Stewart Went to Jail, is truly rage-inducing.

268 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:15:49pm

re: #260 freetoken

I've picked up a few new followers on Twitter from my replying to certain tweets to #COP17. Yet I still find the whole twitter thing rather mindless. One is allowed too few characters to truly discuss anything. Pretty much all its good for is trading insults.

Perfect for a 22 year old.

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:16:13pm

re: #267 JasonA

Jon Stewart's new segment, How the Fuck is it that Martha Stewart Went to Jail, is truly rage-inducing.

#ows

270 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:16:42pm

re: #261 aagcobb

Because in '08 he was the anti-McCain. Plus the individual mandate was still a Republican idea.

re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

For one, it was '08, back before the terrible blight that is "Obamacare" and the talks of how it drew inspiration from Romneycare. And two, compared to McCain at the time, he did read as a "conservative" to a lot of folks.

re: #264 WindUpBird

Because they're selling to their listeners.

if their listeners and fans like Romney? Then Rush/Coulter/etc love Romney.

if their listeners hate romney? Then they're against it.

It's like how Kiss took off the makeup and looked like a hair band in the 80's. That's the market!

Guess you guys are right. I'm amused by it. I've told the story before of how when I commuted to community college, I had to hear Rush's screeds on days when my iPod was out of batteries and I just remember how much he hated McCain and was so deluded about Thompson. These guys are so desperate for a "true conservative."

271 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:17:08pm

re: #269 WindUpBird

#ows

I'd put a hole in the bongo-drum.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:17:26pm

re: #260 freetoken

I use twitter to keep in touch with old friends, keep people updated on art happenings, share music, share concert announcements...

I actually don't trade insults on twitter much anymore because it's bad for business :D

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:18:37pm

re: #271 JasonA

I'd put a hole in the bongo-drum.

I work with a different palette

274 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:19:44pm

re: #271 JasonA

I'd put a hole in the bongo-drum.

It is heart warming to know the fringe lefties are still among us.

275 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:19:53pm

re: #256 prairiefire

Hey, my mac does not work with the LGF email system. Reine has my email. Do you have hers?

Blue again.

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:20:00pm

re: #268 prairiefire

Perfect for a 22 year old.

there are these things called "hyperlinks" on twitter, you know ;-)

277 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:23:28pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

there are these things called "hyperlinks" on twitter, you know ;-)

Twitter speak looks like the evidence of a bad education.

278 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:23:44pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Guess you guys are right. I'm amused by it. I've told the story before of how when I commuted to community college, I had to hear Rush's screeds on days when my iPod was out of batteries and I just remember how much he hated McCain and was so deluded about Thompson. These guys are so desperate for a "true conservative."

There is no "true conservative," certainly not in this year's field. Even Luap Nor's all find with big government, so long as it's limited to enforcing his view of morality on us godless heathens. Which is what makes the wingnut embrace of Newt so hilarious, as people have already begun pointing out his support of an individual mandate, his bipartisan (with "Princess Nancy" Pelosi) posters against climate change, his support of the sort of immigration program that Bush and McCain supported, and so forth.

There's nobody in the field that can truly please the base, or at least won't find himself talking out of both sides of his mouth once the primaries end and the general begins.

279 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:23:53pm

re: #277 prairiefire

Twitter speak looks like the evidence of a bad education.

y so srs?

280 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:26:25pm

re: #278 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm kind of surprised that Bachmann wasn't able to get farther than she did.

281 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:28:25pm

Tweet of the Day

[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

282 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:30:49pm

re: #277 prairiefire

Twitter speak looks like the evidence of a bad education.

ugh, what? :/

First of all, people use twitter on their phones, which don't generally come with gigantic qwerty keyboards and 24" 1080P monitors. And also if you recall, it's been sorta instrumental in middle east grassroots politics but I guess those are all uneducated kids. 9_9


now if you want to slam Facebook, have at it. facebook is vile, I wouldn't touch it with a stolen dick.

283 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:32:11pm

re: #282 WindUpBird

ugh, what? :/

First of all, people use twitter on their phones, which don't generally come with gigantic qwerty keyboards and 24" 1080P monitors. And also if you recall, it's been sorta instrumental in middle east grassroots politics but I guess those are all uneducated kids. 9_9

now if you want to slam Facebook, have at it. facebook is vile, I wouldn't touch it with a stolen dick.

This begs the question... who is out there stealing dicks?

284 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:32:22pm

re: #280 JasonA

I'm kind of surprised that Bachmann wasn't able to get farther than she did.

Because she was already getting derided as "Palin: Part 2" before the debates began due to her left-than-firm grasp of historical facts and her basically coming off as a Stepford Smiler where Marcus is involved. But when she went "full retard" about vaccinations, it was all over. The media could no longer take her as a serious candidate.

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:32:33pm

re: #283 JasonA

This begs the question... who is out there stealing dicks?

Ask George Carlin :D

286 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:32:41pm

re: #278 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Guess you guys are right. I'm amused by it. I've told the story before of how when I commuted to community college, I had to hear Rush's screeds on days when my iPod was out of batteries and I just remember how much he hated McCain and was so deluded about Thompson. These guys are so desperate for a "true conservative."

There is no "true conservative," certainly not in this year's field. Even Luap Nor's all find with big government, so long as it's limited to enforcing his view of morality on us godless heathens. Which is what makes the wingnut embrace of Newt so hilarious, as people have already begun pointing out his support of an individual mandate, his bipartisan (with "Princess Nancy" Pelosi) posters against climate change, his support of the sort of immigration program that Bush and McCain supported, and so forth.

There's nobody in the field that can truly please the base, or at least won't find himself talking out of both sides of his mouth once the primaries end and the general begins.

They don't even have to like Newt - they want a good debate against Obama and someone who isn't Romney.

The guy could have an identical platform to Romney - just not be called Mitt Romney.

287 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:33:30pm

re: #278 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There is no "true conservative," certainly not in this year's field. Even Luap Nor's all find with big government, so long as it's limited to enforcing his view of morality on us godless heathens. Which is what makes the wingnut embrace of Newt so hilarious, as people have already begun pointing out his support of an individual mandate, his bipartisan (with "Princess Nancy" Pelosi) posters against climate change, his support of the sort of immigration program that Bush and McCain supported, and so forth.

There's nobody in the field that can truly please the base, or at least won't find himself talking out of both sides of his mouth once the primaries end and the general begins.

That's what I mean. They want an abstraction not a reality.

288 jaunte  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:34:28pm

Twitter just told me I need to scrape up another $1,000 next year to stay even.

“Tonight, Senate Republicans chose to raise taxes on nearly 160 million hardworking Americans because they refused to ask a few hundred thousand millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share. They voted against a bill that would have not only extended the $1,000 tax cut for a typical family, but expanded that tax cut to put an extra $1,500 in their pockets next year, and given nearly six million small business owners new incentives to expand and hire. That is unacceptable. It makes absolutely no sense to raise taxes on the middle class at a time when so many are still trying to get back on their feet."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

289 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:34:51pm

LOL

Colbert just called Lori Klein a "Talbot's cashier"

290 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:36:36pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

That's what I mean. They want an abstraction not a reality.

Yeah, but that's been true for years. These are people who worship Ronaldus Maximus (the myth) rather than Ronald Reagan (the man).

291 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:37:46pm

The Vatican's senior scientist Brother Guy Consolmagno is ready to greet alien life and will be happy to baptize any of them should the opportunities present themselves.

Brother Guy Consolmagno has said it before, but reiterated his welcoming attitude in London this week. The Daily Telegraph reported Consolmagno's comments prior to his attendance at this week's British Science Festival.

"I’d be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found intelligent life elsewhere," he said. But the odds of us finding it, of it being intelligent and us being able to communicate with it - when you add them up it’s probably not a practical question."

In 2009 the Pontifical Academy of Sciences held a conference in Rome on the study of life beyond Earth, with scientists and religious leaders.

Among them was Brother Consolmagno's colleague Father Jose Funes, a Jesuit astronomer who said at that time, "As a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God. This does not conflict with our faith, because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God."

Some might be taken aback by those statements because of the men's association with the Vatican hierarchy but Consolmagno was a practicing lay scientist for a decade and a half prior to coming to the Catholic Church.

[...]

Mixing science and religious dogma doesn't prevent Consolmagno from taking a clear position on the theory of evolution and its detractors who tout creationism as the alternative theory.

"The word ( creationism) has been hijacked by a narrow group of Creationist fundamentalists in America to mean something it did not originally mean at all. It’s bad theology in that it turns God once again into the pagan god of thunder and lightning."

Bold topics for sure but the interest in exploring them indicates that Catholic hierarchy understands how science and religion can co-exist on this planet as well other places in the heavens.

That "narrow group of Creationist fundamentalists" however includes all but 2 of the GOP Presidential candidates.

292 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:38:14pm

re: #280 JasonA

I'm kind of surprised that Bachmann wasn't able to get farther than she did.

Her support went to Perry when he entered the fray looking like a formidable candidate. Then when he showed how dismally stupid he was, Cain caught on fire and the Base flocked to him. By that time, Bachmann's campaign had sort of started unraveling, and Gingrich had had good debate performances flying under the radar. After Perry and Cain showed what lightweights they were, the Base was hungry for someone who could go toe-to-toe with Romney or Obama in a debate, and that pretty much eliminates everyone in the field except Gingrich.

293 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:38:26pm

So they had a 100mph winds in California today..
Almost enough to blow the Colts into the endzone..
-Leno

294 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:39:53pm

re: #288 jaunte

Twitter just told me I need to scrape up another $1,000 next year to stay even.

The GOP seems bound and determined to lose next year. They seem to have decided that losing the presidency wasn't enough and now started working on their Congressional races.

295 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:40:09pm

re: #290 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but that's been true for years. These are people who worship Ronaldus Maximus (the myth) rather than Ronald Reagan (the man).

Oh no doubt. I am just amused that Romney version 3.0(which was more moderate than Romney 4.0) was embraced while 4.0 is not. I love seeing them miserable.

296 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:40:42pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

So they had a 100mph winds in California today..
Almost enough to blow the Colts into the endzone..
-Leno

The Manning era Colts are finished. Next year the Luck era begins.

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:41:06pm

re: #288 jaunte

the lie of Republican tax policy, made manifest every day

right there with you, small business owner who gets slammed with the payroll tax

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:42:06pm

re: #294 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The GOP seems bound and determined to lose next year. They seem to have decided that losing the presidency wasn't enough and now started working on their Congressional races.

Elizabeth Warren gaining on Scott Brown :) :)

299 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:42:51pm

re: #277 prairiefire

*replied*

300 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:43:31pm

re: #298 WindUpBird

Elizabeth Warren gaining on Scott Brown :) :)

I saw that. Brown's not a bad dude for a Republican but Warren would be the heir to the fighting liberalism that EMK represented.

301 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:44:34pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Brown's not a bad dude for a Republican but Warren would be the heir to the fighting liberalism that EMK represented.

The Boston Fightin' Liberals (new football team?..)

302 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:45:09pm

re: #290 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but that's been true for years. These are people who worship Ronaldus Maximus (the myth) rather than Ronald Reagan (the man).

The book "Tear Down this Myth" was a terrific exploration of this phenomenon

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:45:27pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Brown's not a bad dude for a Republican but Warren would be the heir to the fighting liberalism that EMK represented.

Elizabeth Warren is the textbook definition of People We Need More Of In Office

304 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:45:40pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Brown's not a bad dude for a Republican

All Republican politicians serve the 1% to the exclusion of everyone else. Some just do it with more theocratic/bigoted/crazy flair than others.

305 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:47:05pm

re: #304 publicityStunted

its funny I've always abhorred the idea of looking at somebody purely based on their political party, but to be honest I'm there now.

Even a wonderful reasonable west coast republican would be giving the pigs more power, and that's not acceptable.

306 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:47:17pm

re: #296 aagcobb

The Manning era Colts are finished. Next year the Luck era begins.

I promise you Peyton will start next year.. And Luck will learn from the feet of the Master...You may disagree..But Peyton has 28 million reasons to say I'm right...

307 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:49:03pm

re: #305 windsagio

its funny I've always abhorred the idea of looking at somebody purely based on their political party, but to be honest I'm there now.

Even a wonderful reasonable west coast republican would be giving the pigs more power, and that's not acceptable.

I'm the same way. i will vote for republicans in state office, buy never for national office. At least not until they stop being the party of voter suppression.

308 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:49:04pm

re: #301 wozzablog

The Boston Fightin' Liberals (new football team?..)

No, I hate Boston sports teams. Screw the Patriots and Red Sox. Not a bad city though.

309 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:49:41pm

So two bills were up for consideration, one from each party. The Dem bill, which would have increased the payroll tax cut to 3.1% and extended it to employers, paid through a 3.25% surtax on incomes over $1 million, fell 9 votes short of cloture.

But the Repub bill, which would have just kept the current cut without any means of paying for it, crashed & burned at 78-20.

The rumbling from the Senate is that the reason that the Repub bill smacked into the ground so hard is because "fiscal conservatives" there were angry over nothing being done to pay for the continuation of the tax cut.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:49:49pm

re: #305 windsagio

its funny I've always abhorred the idea of looking at somebody purely based on their political party, but to be honest I'm there now.

Even a wonderful reasonable west coast republican would be giving the pigs more power, and that's not acceptable.

+1

311 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:50:15pm

re: #304 publicityStunted

All Republican politicians serve the 1% to the exclusion of everyone else. Some just do it with more theocratic/bigoted/crazy flair than others.

I didn't say I'd vote for the guy but I like Brown better than say Ben Nelson. Now with him and Warren, if I were in Massachusetts, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. I like her a bit from what I know.

312 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:50:25pm

re: #306 HoosierHoops

I promise you Peyton will start next year.. And Luck will learn from the feet of the Master...You may disagree..But Peyton has 28 million reasons to say I'm right...

I'm not saying Manning might not be back starting next year. But he's not taking the Colts to anymore Super Bowls. He'll just be keeping the seat warm until Luck is ready.

313 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:52:01pm

re: #307 wilburs

I'm the same way. i will vote for republicans in state office, buy never for national office. At least not until they stop being the party of voter suppression.

I've voted Republican for as high as Congress before though I later voted against the guy. Never would consider voting Republican for Senate here unless Tom Davis ran and the Dem candidate stank.

314 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:52:57pm

re: #306 HoosierHoops

I promise you Peyton will start next year.. And Luck will learn from the feet of the Master...You may disagree..But Peyton has 28 million reasons to say I'm right...

Lucky bastard gets to learn behind a legend.

315 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:53:46pm

re: #312 aagcobb

I'm not saying Manning might not be back starting next year. But he's not taking the Colts to anymore Super Bowls. He'll just be keeping the seat warm until Luck is ready.

Perhaps..But a healthy Peyton Manning can beat any one on any given Sunday..
I just pray he retires before he spends his life in a wheelchair..

316 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:53:47pm

re: #309 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, seems it gets deeper with the Repub bill. They were planning to pay for it, namely by freezing federal employee's wages until 2015 and cutting another 200,000 jobs through attrition.

JOBS!///

317 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:55:56pm

re: #316 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, seems it gets deeper with the Repub bill. They were planning to pay for it, namely by freezing federal employee's wages until 2015 and cutting another 200,000 jobs through attrition.

JOBS!///

#employmentfail

318 windsagio  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:56:42pm

aside: The wikipedia fundraiser thing currently always has a picture of this scary lady that looks like a witch.

319 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:58:13pm

re: #315 HoosierHoops

Perhaps..But a healthy Peyton Manning can beat any one on any given Sunday..
I just pray he retires before he spends his life in a wheelchair..

Want you to know I'm not dissing Peyton, its just the Colts don't have the personnel anymore and even he can't be a one man team. I don't know if he wants to retire a Colt, but if he'd like to try to make another playoff run I hope he gets to go to a contender.

320 jaunte  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:59:37pm

re: #316 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

On the up side, there's been a renaissance lately in the 1920's sport of racing J-class (140ft) yachts:
www.jclassyachts.com/2012-Regatta/racing-j-class.html

321 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:01:57pm

re: #319 aagcobb

Want you to know I'm not dissing Peyton, its just the Colts don't have the personnel anymore and even he can't be a one man team. I don't know if he wants to retire a Colt, but if he'd like to try to make another playoff run I hope he gets to go to a contender.

I was in Indy last week..And it was a bye week..I could have gone for free..
I'll be there SuperBowl Week..You know I'm live blogging from the ESPN Zone..
Should be a blast

322 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:03:28pm

re: #321 HoosierHoops

I was in Indy last week..And it was a bye week..I could have gone for free..
I'll be there SuperBowl Week..You know I'm live blogging from the ESPN Zone..
Should be a blast

Have a great time! Good night!

323 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:07:15pm

Why we're doomed #ivelostcount:

Ramesh fears India may earn 'deal breaker' tag at Durban

The Union Cabinet on Thursday approved India's tough stand on climate change issues despite rural development minister Jairam Ramesh cautioning against the country being seen as a "deal breaker" at the Durban climate talks. Environment minister Jayanthi Natarajan had proposed at the Cabinet headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that India should not give in to the pressure of the developed world and should say no to binding climate treaty.

Natarajan, while opting for a hard-line approach, had also proposed that India should push for second committment period for existing climate treaty --- Kyoto Protocol and ensure that new transparency regime on climate mitigation action was not intrusive to country's domestic policy.

According to sources, Ramesh, who was head of India climate negotiating team in 2010, reportedly expressed fear that India's tough stand can isolate it at the Durban talks. He was also of the view that India should keep its options flexible to avoid being described as a deal breaker.

[...]

Any AGW mitigation strategy has to include nations changing their "domestic policy" on many fronts. That's the whole problem to begin with.

324 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:09:39pm

Blimey - is that the time?.

Doctors in a couple of hours. Need some shut eye.

325 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:15:13pm

re: #318 windsagio

aside: The wikipedia fundraiser thing currently always has a picture of this scary lady that looks like a witch.

No, she looks like a Wiccan.

326 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:22:42pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

You fool! Now Mandy Manners will stalk him with her imaginary child

That is being a dick, WUB.

327 sagehen  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:30:53pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Brown's not a bad dude for a Republican but Warren would be the heir to the fighting liberalism that EMK represented.

Republican party discipline, especially in the Senate, makes it irrelevant what any particular one might prefer to vote for and against. They're *all* voting the way Mitch McConnell tells them to. Every time.

328 freetoken  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:31:28pm

And now, for the important new of the day:

Lacey Schwimmer Gets a Boob Job

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:35:14pm

re: #305 windsagio

its funny I've always abhorred the idea of looking at somebody purely based on their political party, but to be honest I'm there now.

Even a wonderful reasonable west coast republican would be giving the pigs more power, and that's not acceptable.

QFT. And until the GOP stops being the opponent of science education as well.

330 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:40:54pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Brown's not a bad dude for a Republican but Warren would be the heir to the fighting liberalism that EMK represented.

Exactly why I want her to lose, and I think terms like those you used to praise her can swiftly be turned against her. It should not be too hard to redefine her "fighting spirit" as "nastiness" and "fighting liberalism" can be reread as a "hostile and dogmatic leftism" (the latter of which is what I actually think "fighting liberalism" really is).

And that's just a salesman first thoughts. Given a few paid days, I could do far more in ideas for redefinition, and Karl Rove and Frank Lutz are even better at it than I am.

331 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:48:26pm

re: #328 freetoken

And now, for the important new of the day:

Lacey Schwimmer Gets a Boob Job

Bigger news here in Chicago:

Kristin Cavallari And Jay Cutler's Engagement Back On For Real

And it is bigger news if you're a Bears fan. Now, if only the former reality star has some trick to get Cutler's thumb in working order by Christmas. Because if he was able to play even part of the game against the Packers (and didn't get hurt again), she truly would win over the Bears and their fans.

Go Bears!

332 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:50:26pm

re: #74 Linden Arden

It keeps getting better.

There is Republican Jewish debate next Wednesday the 7th and all the regulars are committed except for one - Ron Paul. The sponsors said he was not welcome since he is too "extreme".

Odd that such a "debate" exists and that they deliberately exclude the non-interventionist Ron Paul as an extremist.

The Anti-Zionists on the Right (and – this is the odd thing - Left) rally around Ron Paul, pretty much. It's not odd at all, really.

333 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:52:36pm

re: #248 freetoken

Oh? What if God gets frustrated with all those people to whom he told to run but ended up bailing on Him, and decides to come down here and run Himself?

OH, now that might just be a big surprise for everyone who claims to follow Him.

334 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 9:57:42pm

re: #332 000G

The Anti-Zionists on the Right (and – this is the odd thing - Left) rally around Ron Paul, pretty much. It's not odd at all, really.

True that. Ron Paul has made it very clear he's no friend of Israel nor does he share any real concerns with American Jews. Letting him attend would just be annoying the audience with someone they already think (correctly) is an ass. Ron Paul cannot actually win the nomination, either, so it's not like there's an actual loss. And besides, they've still got Bachmann to supply any needed insanity.

335 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:00:51pm

Whew, was away for a few and just did an enhanced skim of the thread. You-all have been busy!

On the homefront, Damnit! Puppy is really leary of his first Xmas Tree. The house is different with new stuff and lights everywhere. He just doesn't understand what it is all about and most of all, why he can't sniff it.

336 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:01:12pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

That is being a dick, WUB.

She was banned for being an awful bigoted person here, good riddance. and the things she said about her kid never added up.

But none of her venomous and shitty rhetoric was aimed at you so you don't care, right? :)

337 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:08:47pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Exactly why I want her to lose, and I think terms like those you used to praise her can swiftly be turned against her. It should not be too hard to redefine her "fighting spirit" as "nastiness" and "fighting liberalism" can be reread as a "hostile and dogmatic leftism" (the latter of which is what I actually think "fighting liberalism" really is).

And that's just a salesman first thoughts. Given a few paid days, I could do far more in ideas for redefinition, and Karl Rove and Frank Lutz are even better at it than I am.

I think it's going to be hard to define her as nasty when she responded probably the best I've seen a politician on either side to a heckler. I wouldn't have faulted here at all if she got pissed as hell at the guy who dalled her a socialist whore. . Sure they could define her as too liberal but Massachusetts after all so that could backfire too. And I don't see anything that suggests she's a leftist. Big difference between being a staunch liberal than leftist. Brown only has that seat because Coakley was terrible. He ran a good campaign I grant him but you can't tell me that Coakley's incompetence is why he's there by and large.

338 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:09:24pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Exactly why I want her to lose, and I think terms like those you used to praise her can swiftly be turned against her. It should not be too hard to redefine her "fighting spirit" as "nastiness" and "fighting liberalism" can be reread as a "hostile and dogmatic leftism" (the latter of which is what I actually think "fighting liberalism" really is).

And that's just a salesman first thoughts. Given a few paid days, I could do far more in ideas for redefinition, and Karl Rove and Frank Lutz are even better at it than I am.

Pffft

Brown may not be a bad guy, but he still supports the endless fillabusters which keep the Senate from doing anything at all

And the Rove/Luntz stuff will not work against a female in MA. However, the fact that Forbes magazine declared that Brown is "Wall Street's favorite Senator" will be very effective.

339 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:12:16pm

re: #338 wilburs

Pffft

Brown may not be a bad guy, but he still supports the endless fillabusters which keep the Senate from doing anything at all

And the Rove/Luntz stuff will not work against a female in MA. However, the fact that Forbes magazine declared that Brown is "Wall Street's favorite Senator" will be very effective.

+1

340 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:13:07pm

re: #338 wilburs

Pffft

Brown may not be a bad guy, but he still supports the endless fillabusters which keep the Senate from doing anything at all

And the Rove/Luntz stuff will not work against a female in MA. However, the fact that Forbes magazine declared that Brown is "Wall Street's favorite Senator" will be very effective.

I doubt it will work either. Really, what Brown will do and I've seen senators from both parties who represent states that very much vote different than they do in presidential politics is emphasize his moderate stances and bring up issues where he shares in this case a position with President Obama. Rovian and Luntzian tactics seem like a recipe for disaster in Massachusetts. So, I think Brown's most smart political move would be to distance himself from the national party and stay the hell away from Luntz/Rove. He wants to sell himself as an "Independent voice" then it's wise not to have the former top campaign strategist of a president who was never popular in that state.

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:14:22pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

there is nationwide support for Elizabeth Warren from liberals, she's a symbol of an actual Good Person Trying To Make A Difference

Scott Brown is just another Republican who takes orders from banksters

342 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:14:44pm

Alloutte has an excellent Post about how to shop for the Holidays.

343 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:16:22pm

re: #338 wilburs

Pffft

Brown may not be a bad guy, but he still supports the endless fillabusters which keep the Senate from doing anything at all

And the Rove/Luntz stuff will not work against a female in MA. However, the fact that Forbes magazine declared that Brown is "Wall Street's favorite Senator" will be very effective.

Sounds like the kiss of death.

344 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:18:11pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

there is nationwide support for Elizabeth Warren from liberals, she's a symbol of an actual Good Person Trying To Make A Difference

Scott Brown is just another Republican who takes orders from banksters

Yeah, I didn't know much about her until recently but alot of my friends really like her. I saw one of her ads. Probably one of the better ones. I don't know why DF thinks she's this dogmatic leftist. She believes strongly in what she believes but I don't see a close minded woman which is what dogmatic means to me. And by the way, I was just saying since Brown is running in Mass, he will try to tie himself to Obama somehow. You saw it in the Bush years where a representative or senator from a red state would emphasize that he worked with Bush.

345 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 10:40:02pm

dogmatic leftist

is this another onna them anti-dog things?

346 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:04:53pm

re: #338 wilburs

Pffft

Brown may not be a bad guy, but he still supports the endless fillabusters which keep the Senate from doing anything at all

And the Rove/Luntz stuff will not work against a female in MA. However, the fact that Forbes magazine declared that Brown is "Wall Street's favorite Senator" will be very effective.

A variation on it will work just fine. It wouldn't be the same thing as is used in other states like Florida, but linking her to taxation and stagnation might work very well.

347 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:07:36pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

A variation on it will work just fine. It wouldn't be the same thing as is used in other states like Florida, but linking her to taxation and stagnation might work very well.

No way

Brown is a lightweight, he doesn't even know what stagflation means

348 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:12:30pm

re: #347 wilburs

No way

Brown is a lightweight, he doesn't even know what stagflation means

He can be taught, or a surrogate can make the attack. The later is actually better, if done right.

Good night.

349 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:14:46pm

I should point out that when Rove's minions ran some negative ads against Warren a month or so ago, Brown public ally criticized them and suggested that they stay out of MA.

Voters here don't respond very well to negative ads.

350 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:15:12pm

re: #345 engineer dog

dogmatic leftist

is this another onna them anti-dog things?

anti-dog ANYTHING is not kewl!

351 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:15:44pm

Night all!

Have a great morning/evening!

352 wilburs  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:16:37pm

sweet dreams!!!

353 Indepublicrat  Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:26:37pm

It's not Cain--the 999 Fund is one of those Super PAC deals that "supports" a candidate by doing things that "aren't authorized" by the candidate.

Americans for Herman Cain has established a non-connected political committee that is established and registered with the Federal Election Commission. The committee supports the Federal candidacy of Herman Cain for President and is not a separate segregated fund; a party committee; nor is the committee authorized by any candidate or candidate committee. Paid for by 9-9-9 Fund. UNLIMITED contributions from either personal or corporate funds are acceptable.

I imagine this ad is one way they're trying to burn through those UNLIMITED contributions as quickly as possible. Other ways possibly involve tequila.

354 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:45:49am

re: #353 Indepublicrat

The same story was posted on Cain's official website, though.

355 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 2, 2011 3:27:51pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Exactly why I want her to lose, and I think terms like those you used to praise her can swiftly be turned against her. It should not be too hard to redefine her "fighting spirit" as "nastiness" and "fighting liberalism" can be reread as a "hostile and dogmatic leftism" (the latter of which is what I actually think "fighting liberalism" really is).

And that's just a salesman first thoughts. Given a few paid days, I could do far more in ideas for redefinition, and Karl Rove and Frank Lutz are even better at it than I am.

Dark I like you more when you don't sound like a partisan hack.

356 Jaerik  Fri, Dec 2, 2011 3:34:08pm

re: #152 Ojoe

Yeah I know, that was bad.

But I can't stand the guy, especially after he said that if you're not employed and rich, it is your own fault because you haven't worked hard enough.

That fails the compassion test.

I work at a food bank (day job) and believe me there are plenty of people coming through the line these days with no job and it is not because they haven't worked hard all their lives.

I despise Cain for that one remark alone.

Eh. I don't. I despise him for plenty of other reasons, but not that one remark.

All humans have an inherent psychological tendency to maximize our self-perceived merits by attributing success to our own doing and failure to someone else's. It's a basic evolutionary mechanic to preserve a sufficient sense of self-worth to get through the day.

Look at someone like Limbaugh, who rants and raves about being entirely self-made. Never relying on the government for anything. Ever! You know, except the public school education, the student loans, the public transit, the safe drinking water and food, the prescription drugs that don't kill you, the anti-trust laws that prevented competitors from destroying you when just starting out, your car that doesn't explode when they get hit, the FDIC guarantees for your bank account, the cops and firemen who kept you from being robbed... etc, etc.

Particularly wise, intelligent, or otherwise decent humans realize this inherent bias and take mental preparation to avoid falling into the trap.

Mentally weak, shallow, opportunistic idiots like Cain do not. But the statement is just a symptom of the overall problem. Not the problem in and of itself.


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