Those “four happy, diverse women holding their thumbs up” have vanished from Herman Cain’s website tonight, leaving a rather conspicuous (yet somehow symbolic) empty space: Women For Herman Cain.
Before:
After:
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:15:20pm |
Where did they go? Does this have anything to do with the pandorica opening?
Or did the models threaten legal action?
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:16:26pm |
re: #2 EmmmieG
Where did they go? Does this have anything to do with the pandorica opening?
Or did the models threaten legal action?
Maybe they went over to support Newt?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:17:20pm |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Maybe they went over to support Newt?
At least you know where he's been. He'll give you the address.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:18:54pm |
This is such amateurish behavior. Does he have any professionals working with him?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:19:36pm |
re: #6 ggt
This is such amateurish behavior. Does he have any professionals working with him?
Just the unnamed experts who crafted 9-9-9.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:19:51pm |
re: #6 ggt
This is such amateurish behavior. Does he have any professionals working with him?
But I thought his campaign was all about how he would pick the best people to do the job?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:20:08pm |
re: #6 ggt
This is such amateurish behavior. Does he have any professionals working with him?
If he stuck with pros, he would still be leading the polls.
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The Mountain That Blogs Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:20:24pm |
Why did the "for" vanish too?
Women! Cain!
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:20:54pm |
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Idle Drifter Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:21:12pm |
Which hacker will claim responsibility for this?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:22:28pm |
re: #12 Idle Drifter
Which hacker will claim responsibility for this?
None. It just didn't go far enough.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:25:03pm |
re: #12 Idle Drifter
Which hacker will claim responsibility for this?
No need. "Women for Cain" sounded like the name of a pervy catering service in the first place, all things considered, and now there's BIG EMPTY SPACE separating "Women" and "Cain".
Maybe his campaign really is just an elaborate art project.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:27:00pm |
re: #13 JasonA
None. It just didn't go far enough.
Now if they had changed "Meet Herman" to "Meat Herman"...
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Idle Drifter Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:27:59pm |
re: #14 negativ
No need. "Women for Cain" sounded like the name of a pervy catering service in the first place, all things considered, and now there's BIG EMPTY SPACE separating "Women" and "Cain".
Maybe his campaign really is just an elaborate art project.
Will they call it: Ode to Freud?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:29:55pm |
They're changing the name.
Women Raising Cain.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:32:29pm |
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:32:44pm |
re: #6 ggt
This is such amateurish behavior. Does he have any professionals working with him?
No. Just businessmen looking to make a buck. America loses.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:33:55pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
Sometimes Stan? I read comments; try to guess the person who posted them without looking at the nic.
Guess who I thought you were right there?
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:34:57pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
No. Just businessmen looking to make a buck. America loses.
Just business.
Mortage Company retaliates against MA for investigating wrongful foreclosures
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:35:39pm |
re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sometimes Stan? I read comments; try to guess the person who posted them without looking at the nic.
Guess who I thought you were right there?
Ah, que? Who? Stevie?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:35:39pm |
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:35:59pm |
LOL, I found the section in Shutterstock's terms and conditions that Cain violated:
You may not use an Image containing the likeness of a person if such use implies that the model engages in any immoral or illegal activity or suffers from a physical or mental infirmity, ailment or condition.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:36:49pm |
re: #26 goddamnedfrank
LOL, I found the section in Shutterstock's terms and conditions that Cain violated:
Toast.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:37:15pm |
re: #26 goddamnedfrank
LOL, I found the section in Shutterstock's terms and conditions that Cain violated:
Apparently the Cain Campaign couldn't round up four female staffers and take the same picture themselves.
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Firstinla Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:37:31pm |
re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You ever do that? Little game that I play with myself.
Wait! That came out wrong.
Game I play all the time. Some times it's no challenge.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:38:24pm |
fbv you had better be writing a Definite explanation.
Or oops
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SpaceJesus Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:38:35pm |
once gingrich implodes, who will they go to next? paul?
oh please let it be paul. make my dreams of a 2012 full of comedy come true
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bratwurst Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:39:36pm |
re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Apparently the Cain Campaign couldn't round up four female staffers and take the same picture themselves.
I am not convinced there are four people besides the Marlboro Man working for the campaign.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:40:12pm |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gloria? I think she's headed for a breakdown...
Watching that video. Someone should have told her not to dance.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:41:34pm |
re: #6 ggt
This is such amateurish behavior. Does he have any professionals working with him?
Reminds me of the website with "future republican leaders" tab, and the page it took you to was blank. It really is amusing what happens when politicians tell the truth without intending to.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:43:38pm |
re: #9 Decatur Deb
If he stuck with pros, he would still be leading the polls.
Untrue. This scandal would have sunk him even had he been able to resurrect Lee Atwater.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:44:44pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Untrue. This scandal would have sunk him even had he been able to resurrect Lee Atwater.
Clearly he'd need the dream team of Atwater, Alinsky, Soros, And Lutz.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:45:37pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:46:40pm |
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:47:13pm |
Herb (sarah's 115th miss speak) was a complete distraction. He just wanted the Fox News job! What's happening, in my conspiracy mind is exactly what the GOP idiots in power want. newt
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:47:34pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Untrue. This scandal would have sunk him even had he been able to resurrect Lee Atwater.
Pros, honest working girls, not lying politicians.
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tnguitarist Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:47:42pm |
re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How in the hell did you find that?
I'm an elite member of the twitteratti.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:48:08pm |
re: #2 EmmmieG
Where did they go? Does this have anything to do with the pandorica opening?
Or did the models threaten legal action?
They hired lawyers, of course.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:49:05pm |
Sheesh. Click on one cheesy 80's video on youtube and suddenly they're suggesting every 80's cheesy video.
I was trying to forget.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:51:00pm |
re: #43 Decatur Deb
Pros, honest working girls, not lying politicians.
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:52:39pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
And over you, and me, and 300 million others.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:53:42pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
Yep, he's a run-of-the-mill conservative male.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:54:08pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
Geez, DF! He was just trying to help a "friend" through hard economic times from 1998 to last month. Those 13 years were *brutal* for everyone in this country!
/Need I?/
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:54:16pm |
Lol Sully has a post about Gingrich as the 2nd coming of George Wallace.
[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]
Ooh boy, are we in for it.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:54:40pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
Let's ask Spitzer how that one works out...
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:55:32pm |
re: #48 Decatur Deb
And over you, and me, and 300 million others.
Pizza assertion = ok
Governance, ah no.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:55:46pm |
re: #51 Stanley Sea
That didn't work out too well.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:56:31pm |
re: #51 Stanley Sea
Lol Sully has a post about Gingrich as the 2nd coming of George Wallace.
[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]
Ooh boy, are we in for it.
Oh, I don't know, Wallace *was* a Populist.
With Newt, it's "Clear the way, you vermin! A Historian is coming!"
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:57:30pm |
re: #55 austin_blue
Oh, I don't know, Wallace *was* a Populist.
With Newt, it's "Clear the way, you vermin! A Historian is coming!"
I laugh every time I see the clip of him bragging about his speaking fees.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:58:06pm |
So, the webidiots working for the Cain Campaign thought they could just cut and paste a GIF of the "Girls with Thumbs-up" like they were sending an email to a friend?
Did they realize that when money is involved (and sometimes when there isn't) there are usually this thing called COPYRIGHT LAW. It does apply to generic GIF's one can copy and paste on the internet. . . .
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:58:34pm |
re: #57 reine.de.tout
OMG. That website change is bizarre.
Someone who doesn't know how to work a text box.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 2, 2011 7:59:11pm |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That didn't work out too well.
The Alabama community colleges are named for Wallace. Our town used to have an illuminated road named "The George C. Wallace Great White Way", but the sarcasm got too deep, and they changed it.
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Charleston Chew Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:00:02pm |
re: #58 ggt
So, the webidiots working for the Cain Campaign thought they could just cut and paste a GIF of the "Girls with Thumbs-up" like they were sending an email to a friend?
Did they realize that when money is involved (and sometimes when there isn't) there are usually this thing called COPYRIGHT LAW. It does apply to generic GIF's one can copy and paste on the internet. . . .
They must have neglected to get the rights to the word "For" as well.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:00:27pm |
re: #49 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yep, he's a run-of-the-mill conservative male.
Like Bill Clinton?
C'mon. He may be a run of the mill conservative male.
But this behavior is related to something else - ego, the need for power and the need to assert power. Many people who seek jobs that put them in the public eye have such quirks in their personalities - conservative, liberal alike.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:00:49pm |
re: #61 Charleston Chew
They must have neglected to get the rights to the word "For" as well.
They blew their budget on the number 9.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:03:05pm |
re: #46 EmmmieG
Sheesh. Click on one cheesy 80's video on youtube and suddenly they're suggesting every 80's cheesy video.
I was trying to forget.
'Gloria' isn't cheesy, at least not in my opinion. Here, have a listen:
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:04:29pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
Like Bill Clinton?
C'mon. He may be a run of the mill conservative male.
But this behavior is related to something else - ego, the need for power and the need to assert power. Many people who seek jobs that put them in the public eye have such quirks in their personalities - conservative, liberal alike.
Thank you, Reine.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:07:43pm |
re: #64 Dark_Falcon
'Gloria' isn't cheesy, at least not in my opinion. Here, have a listen:
[Video]
I've moved on to Fred Astaire videos.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:08:42pm |
Someone may have noticed that it's not legal to use Shutterstock images for political endorsements.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:09:00pm |
re: #66 EmmmieG
I've moved on to Fred Astaire videos.
Well, Gloria did get used in a musical, so the pattern is intact.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:09:39pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
It's all part of the evolutionary package for us primates (actually, many mammals): The position of Alpha Male is supposed to come with, um... benefits.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:09:54pm |
Am I the only one who likes Buddy Roemer the more I hear him talk? Very likable fellow.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:11:18pm |
re: #70 JasonA
Am I the only one who likes Buddy Roemer the more I hear him talk? Very likable fellow.
Nutcase.
Buddy always sounds great.
In action - fail.
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:12:08pm |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Maybe they went over to support Newt?
Philanderer of the week?
Cain's more attractive than Gingrich. LOL, there's faint praise.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:12:47pm |
re: #72 funky chicken
Philanderer of the week?
Cain's more attractive than Gingrich. LOL, there's faint praise.
Kidding, right?
What women find attractive is their cash flow.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:12:47pm |
re: #71 reine.de.tout
Nutcase.
Buddy always sounds great.
In action - fail.
Oh sure sure. But he's one guy I actually like watching.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:13:10pm |
re: #72 funky chicken
Philanderer of the week?
Cain's more attractive than Gingrich. LOL, there's faint praise.
Wha-?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:13:17pm |
re: #69 freetoken
It's all part of the evolutionary package for us primates (actually, many mammals): The position of Alpha Male is supposed to come with, um... benefits.
Still, there's a big difference between attracting those benefits and taking them via intimidation and control.
And this discussion sounds like dialogue from Criminal Minds . So lets dump the pysc talk, draw out the guns and go shoot up a Bad Guy so that OCSP can call me a "bloodthirsty conservative" again.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:15:05pm |
Huckabee on Herman Cain: 'It's over'
"I like Herman Cain. I consider him a friend. He's brought a lot to this debate because he's, I think he's injected some great ideas. The 9-9-9 plan which really was a better plan than the current tax code. But Herman Cain surely understands it's over. It's over and it was from the day that he stood there and said I'm reasessing my campaign. Because Neal, in the middle of a campaign, you can't say I might not be in this thing a week from now. Once you've said you might not, you are not. It's over, it's done."
"Would you invest in a company where the CEO said, we'd like for you to buy some stock, but there's a good chance we're going to be completely Chapter 7 by next Monday? Of course you don't, and that's just a harsh reality. And it's an unfortunate thing for Herman Cain and his supporters, but I hope he's just simply sort of preparing us for the inevitable parachute out of the plane because he can not continue now that he has taken two different approaches to say that I may not be in this."
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Petero1818 Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:15:21pm |
re: #67 jaunte
Someone may have noticed that it's not legal to use Shutterstock images for political endorsements.
s. 9 of Licensing agreement at Shuttercock says you cannot use an image
.".....in a way that places any person depicted in the Image in a bad light or in a way that they may find offensive - this includes, but is not limited to the use of Images: a) in pornography, "adult videos" or the like; b) in ads for tobacco products; c) in ads or promotional materials for adult entertainment clubs or similar venues, or for escort, dating or similar services; d) in connection with political endorsements; "
What does it say when political endorsements rank with porno and escorts as things their models won't agree to.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:16:09pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
All things considered forcing women to *BLEEEP* his *BLEEEPPP* for money wouldn't have been a *BLEEEEPING* big enough assertation of his dominance over the woman in question?
Guess he felt like he had *BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP* to compensate for.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:16:22pm |
re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I said this before, but if I were Huck I'd be really pissed at God for telling me to sit this one out.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:17:47pm |
re: #78 Petero1818
A lot of their models are Russian or Ukrainian nationals, so being presented as endorsing a candidate for president of the U.S. could be odd for them.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:17:52pm |
re: #80 JasonA
I said this before, but if I were Huck I'd be really pissed at God for telling me to sit this one out.
God works in mysterious ways His Wonders to perform.
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Petero1818 Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:17:58pm |
re: #80 JasonA
I said this before, but if I were Huck I'd be really pissed at God for telling me to sit this one out.
God works in mysterious ways. Not too late for he or Palin to hear god's calling....
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:18:13pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
Still, there's a big difference between attracting those benefits and taking them via intimidation and control.
And this discussion sounds like dialogue from Criminal Minds . So lets dump the pysc talk, draw out the guns and go shoot up a Bad Guy so that OCSP can call me a "bloodthirsty conservative" again.
You are a Blood Thirsty Conservative.
:)
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:18:54pm |
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:20:35pm |
Going on a little tangent from last thread, I looked at the demographics of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Along with sub-national movements in Pakistan.
In a hypothetical war, war, it's likely the Taliban and Pakistan would have lost alot of land quickly. The Taliban would have lost the Northern half and triangle in the south-east constituting roughly 1/4th of the remainder.
In Pakistan, Baluchistan would of slipped from Pakistani control quickly (I would imagine that the Baloch resistance groups would have used this opportunity to start fucking around), and possibly even Sindh Province (there is a significant separatist movement there).
Also, we probably would have been forced to leave the Arab Side of the Persian Gulf for siding against Pakistan. Saudi Arabia at least.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:21:12pm |
re: #83 Petero1818
God works in mysterious ways. Not too late for he or Palin to hear god's calling...
Too late for the primaries, I think, but yeah there is that whole 3rd party thing I guess.
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:21:17pm |
re: #56 JasonA
I laugh every time I see the clip of him bragging about his speaking fees.
I wish I could laugh. I actually find him really sinister. I also find him physically repulsive, and am shocked he has found women who are/were willing to sleep with him.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:22:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:22:45pm |
What’s left then? A people’s revolution may be the only thing that will truly get the ball rolling. The Occupy Wall Street movement has shined a light on the problem of money and politics, which is crucial to address if there is to be any hope of getting our elected officials to act in our interest. Robust reforms like a constitutional amendment regulating money in elections have been floated, and should remain front-and-center in the national dialogue.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:22:52pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
Considering my tangent right now, I might be competing for most bloodthirsty right now.
However, I prefer my blood-thirstiness be Multi-Lateral in nature.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:23:08pm |
re: #88 funky chicken
I think "Tiffany twisted" is the appropriate phrase.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:23:12pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:23:46pm |
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:24:05pm |
re: #89 JasonA
Anarchist?
All I can say for sure is that Slanessh is a libertarian and evidently Tzeentch is a Democrat. (Hope and change baby!)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:24:39pm |
And maybe this weeks big surprise for me was that Senator Mark Kirk (R. IL) has shown some fire I didn't know he had. First co-sponsoring with New Jersey Democratic Senator Robert Menendez the Defense Authorization Act amendment to sanction Iran's central bank, and now blocking Obama's ambassador to Russia to ensure US ABM tech does not get handed over to Russia. I was happy to vote for Senator Kirk last year, but this has made me even more pleased. He's not acting like a wingnut, but he's still pushing smart polices and holding Obama's feet to the fire. Well done, Senator!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:24:49pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:27:22pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
All I can say for sure is that Slanessh is a libertarian and evidently Tzeentch is a Democrat. (Hope and change baby!)
So what I'm hearing is that the Warhammer gods are those most likely to attend an OWS rally.
And we thought they were rapey-stabby before...
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:27:32pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
So, no cooperation with Russia, at all?
There's no reason to see Russia as a threat. Especially with the issues they are having (corruption, inequality of wealth, population slide, brain drain, etc.).
Let's not have a second cold war.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:28:26pm |
re: #88 funky chicken
Star-fucking is as American as Apple pie.
Hell, I'll bet Keith Richards still gets laid.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:08pm |
re: #99 JasonA
So what I'm hearing is that the Warhammer gods are those most likely to attend an OWS rally.
And we thought they were rapey-stabby before...
Slaanesh makes it possible for Skler worshipers to rape and stab at the same time, with the same organ even!
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:23pm |
re: #100 ProLifeLiberal
So, no cooperation with Russia, at all?
There's no reason to see Russia as a threat. Especially with the issues they are having (corruption, inequality of wealth, population slide, brain drain, etc.).
Let's not have a second cold war.
The first one is over?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:25pm |
re: #90 ggt
"people's revolution"?
[Dark_Falcon eyes flash silver and he rounds on the author, shouting in a robotic voice as he does so]
"NATION PROTECTION PROTOCOLS ACTIVATED! YOU HAVE BEEN DEEMED COMMUNIST! NEUTRALIZATION AUTHORIZED!"
[DF pepper-sprays the author]
/not really kidding. That ALL CAPS part is my thought process when I see words like that.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:39pm |
re: #100 ProLifeLiberal
Indeed, currently at the COP17 Russia is acting as an ally to the US. Of course, Russia being the world's largest oil producer and the US being the world's largest consumer has something to do with that, but the marriage is made in heaven, so to speak.
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Interesting Times Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:39pm |
re: #88 funky chicken
I wish I could laugh. I actually find him really sinister. I also find him physically repulsive, and am shocked he has found women who are/were willing to sleep with him.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:43pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
Related:
The United States said Tuesday it will stop providing data to Russia on non-nuclear military forces in Europe, a sign the Obama administration is growing frustrated at the pace of arms control negotiations with Moscow.
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:29:55pm |
re: #100 ProLifeLiberal
So, no cooperation with Russia, at all?
There's no reason to see Russia as a threat. Especially with the issues they are having (corruption, inequality of wealth, population slide, brain drain, etc.).
Let's not have a second cold war.
///But the first one turned out so well for America!
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:30:06pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
All I can say for sure is that Slanessh is a libertarian and evidently Tzeentch is a Democrat. (Hope and change baby!)
If Khorne's followers scream "Blood for the Blood God!", do Slaneesh's followers scream "Porn for the Porn God!"?
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:30:59pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
All I can say for sure is that Slanessh is a libertarian and evidently Tzeentch is a Democrat. (Hope and change baby!)
Nurgle is GOP.
"No one needs healthcare!"
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:31:41pm |
re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nurgle is GOP.
"No one needs healthcare!"
The problem with this theory is that Papa Nurgle loves and cares for all his followers.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:32:52pm |
re: #100 ProLifeLiberal
So, no cooperation with Russia, at all?
There's no reason to see Russia as a threat. Especially with the issues they are having (corruption, inequality of wealth, population slide, brain drain, etc.).
Let's not have a second cold war.
Not if it means giving them our tech, no. Let them aim their SS-26s, and them we'll aim counter missiles to knock them down. And then let us sell those counter missiles to India. That would really get the Pakistani military's man-panties in a twist.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:33:08pm |
re: #112 jamesfirecat
The problem with this theory is that Papa Nurgle loves and cares for all his followers.
His followers yeah. Everyone else is crap because they don't recognize his benevolence.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:33:37pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
Not if it means giving them our tech, no. Let them aim their SS-26s, and them we'll aim counter missiles to knock them down. And then let us sell those counter missiles to India. That would really get the Pakistani military's man-panties in a twist.
When did our ABMs start working?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:34:10pm |
re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
His followers yeah. Everyone else is crap because they don't recognize his benevolence.
But Papa Nurgle cares about ALL his followers, you will not be able to convince me that the 1% who seem to run the GOP care about the majority of the people who support them.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:34:27pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
All I can say for sure is that Slanessh is a libertarian and evidently Tzeentch is a Democrat. (Hope and change baby!)
SMACK!
James, hope and change have no place in a 40K game. If they did, true 'good guys' might emerge and that is not permitted.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:35:11pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
... and now blocking Obama's ambassador to Russia to ensure US ABM tech does not get handed over to Russia.
How utterly ridiculous. Russia already developed inbound phase maneuverable warheads that can defeat any ABM system we have now or will be capable of building for decades. Bush allowed them to develop these when he unilaterally withdrew from the ABM treaty. Kirk's concerns are infantile and completely at odds with any realistic threat assessment. However it's no surprise to find you simplistically validating them out of nothing but partisan dumbshittery.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:35:24pm |
re: #116 jamesfirecat
But Papa Nurgle cares about ALL his followers, you will not be able to convince me that the 1% who seem to run the GOP care about the majority of the people who support them.
Thats because they're Chaos Undivided, they just lie about it.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:35:43pm |
I think I'll have to give up Safari for some things. It just bogs down so easily, and is such a memory hog.
I'm finding for Twitter that Chrome just works better. Oh, the layout isn't rendered quite as prettily as in Safari, but Chrome doesn't seem to bat an eye at anything I've been able to throw at it. Safari - not so much, often get beach balls.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:37:27pm |
re: #120 freetoken
I think I'll have to give up Safari for some things. It just bogs down so easily, and is such a memory hog.
I'm finding for Twitter that Chrome just works better. Oh, the layout isn't rendered quite as prettily as in Safari, but Chrome doesn't seem to bat an eye at anything I've been able to throw at it. Safari - not so much, often get beach balls.
Have you tried the tweetdeck Chrome extension?
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:37:59pm |
re: #117 Dark_Falcon
SMACK!
James, hope and change have no place in a 40K game. If they did, true 'good guys' might emerge and that is not permitted.
Define "good guys".
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:38:16pm |
re: #121 JasonA
Have you tried the tweetdeck Chrome extension?
"Extension"? Aren't those the things women put in their hair to create a new look?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:39:23pm |
re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Define "good guys".
People who don't put you in interment camps and sterilize you and every member of your race on the planet if you rebel against them.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:39:53pm |
re: #123 freetoken
"Extension"? Aren't those the things women put in their hair to create a new look?
Not where I was going with this, but whatever floats your boat...
[Link: chrome.google.com...]
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:40:22pm |
re: #124 jamesfirecat
People who don't put you in interment camps and sterilize you and every member of your race if you rebel against them.
Thats just the Tau, and they don't sterilize entire races, just planetary populations.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:41:51pm |
re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats just the Tau, and they don't sterilize entire races, just planetary populations.
You are correct and I modified my post to reflect your point. I'm just saying that "nicer than the Tau" is the current bar that must be cleared to be a "good guy" in Warhammer 40K at the very least.
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Interesting Times Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:42:36pm |
re: #120 freetoken
I'm finding for Twitter that Chrome just works better.
Speaking of Twitter, I think you remarked yesterday it seems best suited for trading insults. However, if you can turn said insults into Wonkette-style snark, providing useful info at the same time, it's indeed a highly effective medium.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:42:55pm |
My tush hurts from sitting here, I'm tired of staring at this screen, I'm frustrated enough to scream, but I do believe I have seen every possible gift for a teenage boy who enjoys building and designing things.
(I think I liked most the website that suggested an $850 ipad for your teen. Because, apparently, college costs have dropped or something recently.)
The bright side is that I've figured out what to give the younger boys as well. Finding building/engineering gifts for younger kids is MUCH easier.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:43:25pm |
re: #125 JasonA
Actually, I prefer a woman to be all natural.
As for the Google store, like Youtube it keeps asking me for my account and password, and I never remember my password (no matter how many times I've reset it), so I give up easily with these sort of things.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:44:34pm |
re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Define "good guys".
People who don't execute you a horrible manner simply because they think your brother might be planning some sort of treachery.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:45:01pm |
re: #130 freetoken
Actually, I prefer a woman to be all natural.
As for the Google store, like Youtube it keeps asking me for my account and password, and I never remember my password (no matter how many times I've reset it), so I give up easily with these sort of things.
Then I can't help you, Toke. :P
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:45:45pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
People who don't execute you a horrible manner simply because they think your brother might be planning some sort of treachery.
Umm... The Tau do actually clear that bar Dark.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:46:13pm |
re: #132 JasonA
Then I can't help you, Toke.
So you too are all out of natural women? Sigh... seems everyone sold out on Black Friday.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:46:18pm |
re: #130 freetoken
Actually, I prefer a woman to be all natural.
As for the Google store, like Youtube it keeps asking me for my account and password, and I never remember my password (no matter how many times I've reset it), so I give up easily with these sort of things.
re: #130 freetoken
Actually, I prefer a woman to be all natural.
As for the Google store, like Youtube it keeps asking me for my account and password, and I never remember my password (no matter how many times I've reset it), so I give up easily with these sort of things.
Yeah, because the organic ones cook up better. Oh, wait, are we off the Khorne/Cthulu/Bloodthirsty Imaginary God topic?
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:46:29pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
People who don't execute you a horrible manner simply because they think your brother might be planning some sort of treachery.
Not everyone is executed. They can serve in a penal legion, be pressganged into a naval crew or be turned into a servitor.
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:46:35pm |
re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wha-?
Herman Cain isn't a physically ugly man, IMO. Gingrich is. Shudder.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:47:40pm |
re: #133 jamesfirecat
Umm... The Tau do actually clear that bar Dark.
It's like the John Yoo standard or something...
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jaunte Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:47:57pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:48:18pm |
re: #137 funky chicken
Herman Cain isn't a physically ugly man, IMO. Gingrich is. Shudder.
So you're not into dough then?
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:50:14pm |
re: #106 freetoken
Indeed, currently at the COP17 Russia is acting as an ally to the US. Of course, Russia being the world's largest oil producer and the US being the world's largest consumer has something to do with that, but the marriage is made in heaven, so to speak.
Sigh. Politicians in the US may balk at accepting climate change, but Swiss Re, Munich Re, and Allstate are totally on board.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:50:20pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:50:56pm |
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:52:16pm |
re: #118 goddamnedfrank
Exactly!
Considering that we will eventually be back to AFPAK to deal with both of them, let's make sure we aren't having an idiotic pissing match with Russia. Time to move past the Cold War.
Russia is not out to kill us. China and Pakistan are bigger issues.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:56:16pm |
re: #141 austin_blue
Sigh. Politicians in the US may balk at accepting climate change, but Swiss Re, Munich Re, and Allstate are totally on board.
And yet, what is very clearly emerging from the COP17 process is that the nations that hold most of the world's hydrocarbon resources - Russia, Canada, US, and KSA - are all working in harmony to make sure that their almost incalculably valuable carbon resources are not taken off the market. With those four countries working together, no matter what any other country does, or all of them together, it will not change the eventual course of CO2 emissions.
Now, the Kabuki theatre that is UN conferences has the US as the bad guy and the Bolivarians as the champions of all people everywhere, but that is just for show of the young (and easily mislead) masses. Even Venezuela is going along with the OPEC stance, which is to prevent anything from affecting their free will to produce oil.
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:57:28pm |
re: #129 EmmmieG
My tush hurts from sitting here, I'm tired of staring at this screen, I'm frustrated enough to scream, but I do believe I have seen every possible gift for a teenage boy who enjoys building and designing things.
(I think I liked most the website that suggested an $850 ipad for your teen. Because, apparently, college costs have dropped or something recently.)
The bright side is that I've figured out what to give the younger boys as well. Finding building/engineering gifts for younger kids is MUCH easier.
Have you tried sciencekits.com?
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BenghaziHoops Fri, Dec 2, 2011 8:58:23pm |
Hi Lizards...Hope everyone's Friday night is going well...Tomorrow is the biggest sports day in Oklahoma.. Bedlam Football.. I'll be indulging in Noble with a bunch of crazy fans..Should be fun...Are we fighting about anything?
Cause the voices in my head are starting to slur..
:)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:00:27pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:00:54pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:01:21pm |
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Interesting Times Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:02:05pm |
re: #146 freetoken
And yet, what is very clearly emerging from the COP17 process is that the nations that hold most of the world's hydrocarbon resources - Russia, Canada, US, and KSA - are all working in harmony to make sure that their almost incalculably valuable carbon resources are not taken off the market. With those four countries working together, no matter what any other country does, or all of them together, it will not change the eventual course of CO2 emissions.
Meanwhile, the Arctic permafrost belches methane at an ever-more alarming rate.
This could bring about abrupt climate change far faster than you've previously hinted at, couldn't it? What then? (it'll be too late to actually do anything, most likely, but one wonders how the world would react...)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:02:27pm |
re: #100 ProLifeLiberal
So, no cooperation with Russia, at all?
There's no reason to see Russia as a threat. Especially with the issues they are having (corruption, inequality of wealth, population slide, brain drain, etc.).
Let's not have a second cold war.
selling missiles to Syria . . . .
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:03:15pm |
re: #116 jamesfirecat
But Papa Nurgle cares about ALL his followers, you will not be able to convince me that the 1% who seem to run the GOP care about the majority of the people who support them.
Nurgle?
How can you play this game and be serious, with names like Nurgle?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:03:39pm |
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:04:32pm |
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:05:03pm |
re: #145 ProLifeLiberal
Exactly!
Considering that we will eventually be back to AFPAK to deal with both of them, let's make sure we aren't having an idiotic pissing match with Russia. Time to move past the Cold War.
Russia is not out to kill us. China and Pakistan are bigger issues.
China is not out to kill us. They just want to expand their influence in Asia.
Pakistan...
Pakistan is a different animal. Since 1948 they have been at war with India, sometimes hot, sometimes cold, but always at war. It remains so today. India got nukes? Pakistan got nukes. Stalemate in the Kashmir? Send terrorists to attack Mumbai. The Paks, through the ISI, have supported the Pashtun Taliban in Pakistan/Afghanistan and the freaks within their own country who are hellbent on disrupting India, which has a huge Islam minority which is becoming more and more assimilated and accepted within the Indian (majority Hindu) capitalist culture.
It's a losing proposition for Pakistan, which is socially based on an ingrained hatred of all things Indian.
Pakistan is the flash point.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:05:27pm |
re: #129 EmmmieG
My tush hurts from sitting here, I'm tired of staring at this screen, I'm frustrated enough to scream, but I do believe I have seen every possible gift for a teenage boy who enjoys building and designing things.
(I think I liked most the website that suggested an $850 ipad for your teen. Because, apparently, college costs have dropped or something recently.)
The bright side is that I've figured out what to give the younger boys as well. Finding building/engineering gifts for younger kids is MUCH easier.
Older Boys like gift cards to Home Depot, Farm and Fleet and whatever the name of the local Professional Tool Shack is called.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:05:43pm |
re: #153 ggt
selling missiles to Syria . . . .
Meh. The British sold lots of stuff to Libya over the last few years. No one really has the moral high-ground as far as arms dealing goes.
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:06:00pm |
re: #146 freetoken
And yet, what is very clearly emerging from the COP17 process is that the nations that hold most of the world's hydrocarbon resources - Russia, Canada, US, and KSA - are all working in harmony to make sure that their almost incalculably valuable carbon resources are not taken off the market. With those four countries working together, no matter what any other country does, or all of them together, it will not change the eventual course of CO2 emissions.
Now, the Kabuki theatre that is UN conferences has the US as the bad guy and the Bolivarians as the champions of all people everywhere, but that is just for show of the young (and easily mislead) masses. Even Venezuela is going along with the OPEC stance, which is to prevent anything from affecting their free will to produce oil.
With the money they keep spending on these conferences, green power plants could be built all over the developing world, and dirty power plants that are currently belching poisons could be improved. It is Kabuki theater, and I'm really tired of it.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:06:05pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:06:49pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:08:02pm |
re: #152 publicityStunted
Meanwhile, the Arctic permafrost belches methane at an ever-more alarming rate.
This could bring about abrupt climate change far faster than you've previously hinted at, couldn't it? What then? (it'll be too late to actually do anything, most likely, but one wonders how the world would react...)
So, is this an energy source?
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:08:46pm |
re: #160 funky chicken
More than the wasted money, I think the real problem is that at the heart of the issue lay some truths that make people really uncomfortable, so en masse we (multiple nations) avoid discussing them (in public anyway.)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:09:00pm |
re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats an actual painted model, about 18 inches tall.
And YOU don't understand the NECESSITY of gemstones and precious metals worn by women.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:09:48pm |
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:09:56pm |
re: #157 austin_blue
China has a directly Imperial Mindset. Remember the South China Sea issue earlier this year? Or how the forced Tajikstan to cede thousands of square kilometers? Or how about them menacing India over Arunchal Pradesh? Not to mention their ongoing attempt to make extinct the Uyghurs and Tibetans, and flagrant ignoring of International Law regarding certain endangered species that they used for their hokey "medicine."
In addition, China and Pakistan are connected at the hip.
However, you are correct about Pakistan.
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Interesting Times Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:09:56pm |
re: #160 funky chicken
With the money they keep spending on these conferences, green power plants could be built all over the developing world, and dirty power plants that are currently belching poisons could be improved.
Dirty power plants also consume a lot of fresh water. What a great idea to have lots of them in drought-stricken states 9_9
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:10:18pm |
re: #163 ggt
So, is this an energy source?
Only if you can capture the methane. But, people have tried for decades to come up with ideas on how to capture/mine the methane clathrates, but to no avail.
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Chrysicat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:10:34pm |
re: #145 ProLifeLiberal
As long as Putin remains in control of Russia, yes, they still want to destroy us or at least our way of life. I agree that we also need to guard against Chinese ascendancy, but a Russia returned to superpower status is just as bad for anyone who likes the idea of American-style individual rights.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:12:15pm |
re: #168 publicityStunted
What a great idea to have lots of them in drought-stricken states 9_9
What happen to the other "9"? Did it withdraw?
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:12:26pm |
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sagehen Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:12:52pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
Like Bill Clinton?
C'mon. He may be a run of the mill conservative male.
But this behavior is related to something else - ego, the need for power and the need to assert power. Many people who seek jobs that put them in the public eye have such quirks in their personalities - conservative, liberal alike.
Dr Drew did a whole research project trying to find out how, specifically, celebrity or political power turns people into narcissists... he discovered that it's really the other way around, pre-existing narcissism is why they pursued celebrity or political careers. Proved it scientifically and everything (while completely missing the irony of how any of this might apply to himself).
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:16:05pm |
re: #146 freetoken
And yet, what is very clearly emerging from the COP17 process is that the nations that hold most of the world's hydrocarbon resources - Russia, Canada, US, and KSA - are all working in harmony to make sure that their almost incalculably valuable carbon resources are not taken off the market. With those four countries working together, no matter what any other country does, or all of them together, it will not change the eventual course of CO2 emissions.
Now, the Kabuki theatre that is UN conferences has the US as the bad guy and the Bolivarians as the champions of all people everywhere, but that is just for show of the young (and easily mislead) masses. Even Venezuela is going along with the OPEC stance, which is to prevent anything from affecting their free will to produce oil.
Agreed. It's a goat fuck. The real question they need to be asking is simple:
All extractive industries eventually run out of extractables. It may be two or four hundred years for fossil fuels, based on consumption, but it *will* happen and three questions must be asked:
1) What's your future power source?
2) How much environmental damage are you willing to tolerate?
3) What the fuck are you going to do without the availability of hydrocarbons as your feedstock for the petrochemical industry?
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sagehen Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:16:30pm |
re: #80 JasonA
I said this before, but if I were Huck I'd be really pissed at God for telling me to sit this one out.
Why? He's the only one of the political god squad that still has any dignity.
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Fenris Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:16:42pm |
Any particular reason why they removed the "for" from the banner?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:17:03pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:17:33pm |
re: #175 sagehen
Why? He's the only one of the political god squad that still has any dignity.
He has a band called "The Little Rockers."
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:18:22pm |
re: #176 fenrisdesigns
Any particular reason why they removed the "for" from the banner?
Crappy web admins.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:19:16pm |
re: #176 fenrisdesigns
Any particular reason why they removed the "for" from the banner?
Because the "for" was getting in the way of Cain and his Women.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:19:22pm |
re: #174 austin_blue
1) What's your future power source?
2) How much environmental damage are you willing to tolerate?
3) What the fuck are you going to do without the availability of hydrocarbons as your feedstock for the petrochemical industry?
All good questions. But as you mentioned "f*ck" I suspect that many of those powers-that-be at that conference aren't worried about anything farther in the future than which/whose service to call tonight.
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:19:35pm |
re: #163 ggt
So, is this an energy source?
No. Too widespread and random. Not a point source. It's not a landfill. It's a continent.
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:21:45pm |
re: #174 austin_blue
4) Do you have any plans for control of population growth?
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Interesting Times Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:25:03pm |
re: #183 funky chicken
4) Do you have any plans for control of population growth?
Easy. Drought, disease, and famine. Just as God intended.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:25:28pm |
re: #159 JasonA
Meh. The British sold lots of stuff to Libya over the last few years. No one really has the moral high-ground as far as arms dealing goes.
The UK did not sell Libya advanced surface to surface missiles designed to sink warships. Russia did sell such weapons to Syria and recently.
Iran has also bought anti-ship missiles, but theirs are the less advanced Chinese C-802 Sea Eagle. The upside for Iran is that the Iranians bought a cheaper system so they could field more of it and also so they could maintain it themselves (unlike many of the Gulf States, which contract maintenance duties out).
Overall, Iran made the smarter purchase than its client. Not as 'scary' a system, but one they can used effectively without outside personnel to keep the missile radars working. And that's smart, and a smart enemy is a lot more scary than any "golly wilickers" high-tech system ever will be.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:25:49pm |
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:26:18pm |
Twitter tells me that "Herman Cain" is trending in San Diego. So I look up the tweets... yup, hot and heavy.
E.g.
@benpolitico
Ben Smith
Uh, just got my first "statement if Herman Cain withdraws" from a GOP group.
1 hour ago
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RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:26:37pm |
The first victim on a national front of the "Southern Strategy" has been hospitalized after a fall, and from the story it seems to be pretty bad.
George McGovern taken to South Dakota hospital after fall
(CNN) -- Liberal Democratic icon George McGovern was taken to a South Dakota hospital after falling Friday night at a nearby university, a library staff member told CNN.
The library staffer at Dakota Wesleyan University -- who asked not to be identified, because he was not authorized to discuss the incident -- said McGovern fell on the campus in Mitchell, South Dakota.
McGovern was initially sent to Avera Queen of Peace Hospital in Mitchell after the fall, according to a member of that hospital's nursing staff who asked not to be named, because she was not authorized to speak on the hospital's behalf
He then was transferred to Avera McKennan Hospital about 75 miles east in Sioux Falls, because he required a higher level of care, the nursing staff member said.
McGovern is in "guarded condition ... not in critical condition, but his injuries bear watching," added the hospital staffer.
He's one of the last of a dying breed of true, principled liberals who during his tenure wasn't afraid to fight for his beliefs, instead of taking a politically safer route.
And this year, he released a new book, "What It Means To Be a Democrat." Its publisher, Blue Rider Press, describes the book as a "call to arms by (McGovern) that combines personal anecdotes and cultural critiques to remind liberals of their ideological compass and restore confidence."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:26:39pm |
re: #183 funky chicken
4) Do you have any plans for control of population growth?
infant and mother mortality
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:26:48pm |
re: #183 funky chicken
4) Do you have any plans for control of population growth?
Oh, I think given the coming climate crisis over the next century, population growth will be well controlled with water wars. Just pray it's not in your neighborhood.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:29:02pm |
This Post's Video is humorous in it's creativity and execution.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:30:16pm |
re: #167 ProLifeLiberal
China has a directly Imperial Mindset. Remember the South China Sea issue earlier this year? Or how the forced Tajikstan to cede thousands of square kilometers? Or how about them menacing India over Arunchal Pradesh? Not to mention their ongoing attempt to make extinct the Uyghurs and Tibetans, and flagrant ignoring of International Law regarding certain endangered species that they used for their hokey "medicine."
In addition, China and Pakistan are connected at the hip.
However, you are correct about Pakistan.
True, but China doesn't want to fight us. They want to have more power and they want us to have less power, but they do not have any existential conflict with the US. And trite though it sometimes is to say, the sort of Radical Islamists who exert major influence in Pakistan really do have an existential conflict with the US and with every other Western nation (and Eastern cultures too, for the Islamists would destroy China's culture as well, if they could).
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:30:38pm |
re: #183 funky chicken
4) Do you have any plans for control of population growth?
Carousel, with Sandmen to hunt down Runners
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:31:23pm |
re: #183 funky chicken
4) Do you have any plans for control of population growth?
How could we forget. It's not going to be a problem after the RAPTURE!
stupid us.
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:32:01pm |
Anyone have an opinion or useful information about ozonated olive oil?
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:33:52pm |
re: #196 ggt
Anyone have and opinion or useful information about ozonated olive oil?
Umm... vegetable oil "parties" went out of vogue in the 70's....
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:34:07pm |
re: #186 Dark_Falcon
You're right. They sold Libya weapons that were used to kill lots of Libyans this year, that's all. And I'm not even holding them accountable for Qaddafi's crimes here. I'm just pointing out that arming dictatorships seems to be a favorite past time of the whole damn western world, not just the powers we don't like.
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jaunte Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:34:42pm |
re: #196 ggt
Web MD: "There are no clinically proven medical uses of ozone or ozonated olive oil."
[Link: www.webmd.com...]
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:35:39pm |
re: #189 RadicalModerate
I really had no idea that he was still alive...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:37:13pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
Like Bill Clinton?
C'mon. He may be a run of the mill conservative male.
But this behavior is related to something else - ego, the need for power and the need to assert power. Many people who seek jobs that put them in the public eye have such quirks in their personalities - conservative, liberal alike.
Yes, just like the magical balance fairy 9_9
Difference is, conservatives will indeed second-class women in a hot second. Not so for Democratic politicians, even the worst of them.
Spin again.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:38:16pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
Not if it means giving them our tech, no. Let them aim their SS-26s, and them we'll aim counter missiles to knock them down. And then let us sell those counter missiles to India. That would really get the Pakistani military's man-panties in a twist.
rotfl killing-machines ocd
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austin_blue Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:38:59pm |
re: #196 ggt
Anyone have and opinion or useful information about ozonated olive oil?
Nope. Can't imagine what it would be except more expensive for no good purpose. What would that extra oxygen atom do? Increase the fire risk during cooking? Induce an asthma attack?
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:40:54pm |
re: #201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yes, just like the magical balance fairy 9_9
Difference is, conservatives will indeed second-class women in a hot second. Not so for Democratic politicians, even the worst of them.
Spin again.
You're just bitter because you're husbandless.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:42:04pm |
re: #118 goddamnedfrank
How utterly ridiculous. Russia already developed inbound phase maneuverable warheads that can defeat any ABM system we have now or will be capable of building for decades. Bush allowed them to develop these when he unilaterally withdrew from the ABM treaty. Kirk's concerns are infantile and completely at odds with any realistic threat assessment. However it's no surprise to find you simplistically validating them out of nothing but partisan dumbshittery.
And a desire for as many dead people on the other side of the world, as possible.
American Conservatism is a nice word for psychotic death drive, anymore.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:42:21pm |
re: #189 RadicalModerate
The first victim on a national front of the "Southern Strategy" has been hospitalized after a fall, and from the story it seems to be pretty bad.
George McGovern taken to South Dakota hospital after fall
He's one of the last of a dying breed of true, principled liberals who during his tenure wasn't afraid to fight for his beliefs, instead of taking a politically safer route.
Nixon used the 'Southern Strategy', but McGovern's defeat in 1972 went far beyond that. He lost every state except Massachusetts and suffered massive union defections. A large part the latter was a calculated plan by the Nixon campaign to attract union support and thereby put the exclamation point on the electoral rejection of the far-left that was at least part of 1972 (McGovern had been pushed far too far to the left to win).
I also learned recently that one union that supported Nixon was PATCO, the air-traffic controllers union that was decertified after its failed 1981 strike. Interestingly, PATCO also endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1980. They had had bad relation with the Carter administration and saw an endorsement of Reagan is their best chance to avoid a strike. And like Nixon, the real Reagan (as opposed to various caricatures that get trotted out) wanted the support of labor unions in order to take away a traditional Democratic source of strength and to rebut the charge that he was simply a "candidate of the rich".
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:42:53pm |
re: #169 freetoken
Only if you can capture the methane. But, people have tried for decades to come up with ideas on how to capture/mine the methane clathrates, but to no avail.
Plus, capturing methane in the Arctic might just be a tad difficult.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:44:17pm |
re: #205 JasonA
You're just bitter because you're husbandless.
Lol, golly you are right!
I'm jealous and envious of these dumb socon women bending over once a year for conservative males fucking everything else in sight, then running for high office on their godly, righteous "values".
Sure wish it could be me instead of them!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:44:52pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
Please, Reagan was a union thug boss.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:45:25pm |
re: #202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
See what I mean folks? She even goes after me when I try to related weapons to tactics and strategy. I'm not even abasing Iran, I actually use the post to respect them doing something right. But OCSP takes it out of context, and to such a degree I must conclude her taking it the wrong way was intentional.
Congrats, OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin: You're as bad as the Stalkers.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:45:29pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
And like Nixon, the real Reagan (as opposed to various caricatures that get trotted out) wanted the support of labor unions.
So how do you reconcile that with him shit-canning the air traffic controllers?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:46:49pm |
re: #203 austin_blue
Nope. Can't imagine what it would be except more expensive for no good purpose. What would that extra oxygen atom do? Increase the fire risk during cooking? Induce an asthma attack?
It's not used for cooking, silly. My doctor recommended it for the itchies and, by gravel!, it works! I've been using it on my face instead of regular moisturizer and, by gravel, it works!
Stinks like Ozone tho. As I have very little sense of smell, it doesn't bother me, but the men folk hate it. Was just wondering if anyone knew of an non-smelly alternative or way to mask the odor.
I've lovin' my ozonated olive oil.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:47:17pm |
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
e_e
You are SUCH a victim, because someone made fun of something you said on the internet.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:47:38pm |
re: #196 ggt
Anyone have an opinion or useful information about ozonated olive oil?
Sounds like an absolutely horrible idea. Ozone has a very high oxidation potential, damages living tissues.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:48:28pm |
Someone just tweeted from the COP:
@Mattias_S
Mattias Söderberg
tax on shipping and aviation is out:-( Hope someone can bring that option in again. EU?
Adding a carbon tax to bunker fuels was one of the proactive propositions that appeared might have had a chance of coming out of this mess. But if Mattias is correct, that is now off the table. I wonder who scuttled it?
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:50:50pm |
re: #202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
rotfl killing-machines ocd
This stuff is just getting too militant.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:52:18pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
But China will continue to be a menace to all around them, in addition to violating other nations' sovereignty.
However, we don't need to do anything direct. Just nudge China towards, into a crash.
Then, let the enemies that China made of their minorities and surrounding states take care of the rest.
Pakistan will be a problem. China in it's current state will protect Pakistan.
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Interesting Times Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:53:54pm |
re: #215 goddamnedfrank
Sounds like an absolutely horrible idea. Ozone has a very high oxidation potential, damages living tissues.
Like those of plants and trees:
Ozone enters leaves through stomata during normal gas exchange. As a strong oxidant, ozone (or secondary products resulting from oxidation by ozone such as reactive oxygen species) causes several types of symptoms including chlorosis and necrosis. It is almost impossible to tell whether foliar chlorosis or necrosis in the field is caused by ozone or normal senescence. Several additional symptom types are commonly associated with ozone exposure, however. These include flecks (tiny light-tan irregular spots less than 1 mm diameter), stipples (small darkly pigmented areas approximately 2-4 mm diameter), bronzing, and reddening.
Yay burning fossil fuels! Pump crap into the air while destroying the only things that can take it out!
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Chrysicat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:53:55pm |
re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
He also said that he didn't leave the Democratic Party--it left him. Ironic that the Republicans wound up even further away from the positions he had in life, innit?
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RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:55:31pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
You're conveniently forgetting that there was another big reason that Nixon won in 1972.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 9:57:36pm |
re: #220 Chrysicat
He also said that he didn't leave the Democratic Party--it left him. Ironic that the Republicans wound up even further away from the positions he had in life, innit?
Well, they're so confused (the nice word for it) that they also saint him, based on their own fantasies of how the world works. Not that self-delusion is new to American Conservatism of any stripe, but on such a mass scale, to the point where they have someone as deliberately stupid as Herman Cain as a front runner, now Newt Gingrich.../Schadenfreude
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:01:31pm |
Haha if the dumb conservative white bigot birthers have been clutching their pearls for the past 2 years because someone who looks like Obama is in fact half white, they're gonna love learning that Ginger White is in fact Black.
/Schadenfreude
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:01:59pm |
re: #213 ggt
It's not used for cooking, silly. My doctor recommended it for the itchies and, by gravel!, it works! I've been using it on my face instead of regular moisturizer and, by gravel, it works!
Stinks like Ozone tho. As I have very little sense of smell, it doesn't bother me, but the men folk hate it. Was just wondering if anyone knew of an non-smelly alternative or way to mask the odor.
I've lovin' my ozonated olive oil.
Are you sure that's what it is called?
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:02:07pm |
re: #213 ggt
It's not used for cooking silly. My doctor recommended it for the itchies and, by gravel!, it works! I've been using it on my face instead of regular moisturizer and, by gravel, it works!
Stinks like Ozone tho. As I have very little sense of smell, it doesn't bother me, but the men folk hate it. Was just wondering if anyone knew of an non-smelly alternative or way to mask the odor.
I've lovin' my ozonated olive oil.
Have you tried normal olive oil? Seriously, the ozone just can't be good for your skin in the long term. It might help with itching in the short term by killing some surface bacteria but I'd worry about the long term consequences of continued use. You know how anti-oxidants are supposed to be good for repairing damage and helping prevent cancer? Well ozone is kind of the opposite of that, it wants to destructively react with everything it touches. It's good in the extreme upper atmosphere because it absorbs UV radiation and nothing lives there. Down here it's a pollutant who only real use is sterilizing / deodorizing cars and such.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:04:43pm |
re: #221 RadicalModerate
You're conveniently forgetting that there was another big reason that Nixon won in 1972.
Pfft, eggs/omelettes.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:05:16pm |
Peas, pods:
UT professors object to creation institute's inclusion in charity list
David Hillis, a professor of integrative biology at the University of Texas, was sifting through the list of charitable organizations approved for state employee donations when he was startled to see that the Institute for Creation Research was included.
[...]
Column: Islam, Darwin and the denial of science
[...]
Now, though, we have evolution, the grammar of biology. More and more, students do not like it. I no longer teach medics but I do have a lot of contact with biology undergraduates and go to many schools and to student conferences. Over the past decade there has grown up a determined denial by many people of the truths of modern science.
At University College London we have numbers of Islamic students, almost all dedicated, hard-working and able. Some, unfortunately, refuse to accept Darwin’s theory on faith grounds, as do some of their Christian fellows; and just a couple of years ago a Turkish anti-evolution speaker (a Dr. Babuna, as I remember) was invited on to campus to give an account of why The Origin is wrong. He was the scion of an extraordinary — and very rich — anti-evolution organization based in his native land that has sent out thousands of lavishly illustrated creationist books and has linked Darwinism to Nazism and worse.
Much of their propaganda has been lifted from Christian fundamentalism and there is a certain irony in where it has ended up. I have had plenty of verbal complaints from undergraduates of both persuasions that I am demeaning religion, while others ask that they be excused lectures on my subject, or simply fail to turn up.
In schools things are worse: Some kids will walk out rather than listen. Their teachers can be just as bad. The most virulent attack I have had in recent years came from a physics teacher in a respected north London state school, who — to the embarrassment of his colleagues — barracked my talk on evolutionary biology with repeated statements that Darwinism contradicted the laws of thermodynamics.
[...]
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:08:39pm |
re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They're changing the name.
Women Raising Cain.
I somehow think that's been Herman's problem all along, don't ya think?
/"Schwing!", as Wayne Campbell might say...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:09:37pm |
re: #212 Talking Point Detective
So how do you reconcile that with him shit-canning the air traffic controllers?
Good question. I actually recently read a book review in
National Review
by Steven Hayward. The book is called Collision Course: Ronald Reagan, the Air Traffic Controllers, and the Strike that Changed America (I'm planning to buy the book later this month). The author of the book. Joseph McCartin is a labor historian and though he is of the left, his writing is "right down the middle" fair. One thing that you learn just reading the review is that the Reagan administration actually did make a number of concessions to PATCO, concessions that were considered generous by outside observers. But PATCO was fired up and wanted more. At the same time, the contract offer made to PATCO produced a large amount of Democratics criticism, with Geraldine Ferraro thinking the concessions were a quid-pro-qu. With such charges at its back, the administration could not make further concessions. Thus the union struck and was busted.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:10:47pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Well, if he'd stuck to hookers for his "extracurricular" needs, then he might well have avoided this mess. But it wasn't entirely about the sex. Cain's pattern suggests a desire to assert power over women.
The thought occurs to me that it's extracurricular "needs."
Nobody actually needs sex. They want it. We need air, water, food, and shelter. People can actually live a long time without having women other than their wives gratify them sexually.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:13:20pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
Good question. I actually recently read a book review in
by Steven Hayward. The book is called Collision Course: Ronald Reagan, the Air Traffic Controllers, and the Strike that Changed America (I'm planning to buy the book later this month). The author of the book. Joseph McCartin is a labor historian and though he is of the left, his writing is "right down the middle" fair. One thing that you learn just reading the review is that the Reagan administration actually did make a number of concessions to PATCO, concessions that were considered generous by outside observers. But PATCO was fired up and wanted more. At the same time, the contract offer made to PATCO produced a large amount of Democratics criticism, with Geraldine Ferraro thinking the concessions were a quid-pro-qu. With such charges at its back, the administration could not make further concessions. Thus the union struck and was busted.
Mongo bust union and bomb with fancy gun!
Mongo conservative hero in National Review!!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:13:31pm |
re: #221 RadicalModerate
You're conveniently forgetting that there was another big reason that Nixon won in 1972.
Actually, on the previous thread I did indeed mention the Watergate break-in. I did not think I needed to mention it again here. I was trying to make a point and it would have complicated my post unnecessarily.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:16:10pm |
re: #225 goddamnedfrank
Have you tried normal olive oil? Seriously, the ozone just can't be good for your skin in the long term. It might help with itching in the short term by killing some surface bacteria but I'd worry about the long term consequences of continued use. You know how anti-oxidants are supposed to be good for repairing damage and helping prevent cancer? Well ozone is kind of the opposite of that, it wants to destructively react with everything it touches. It's good in the extreme upper atmosphere because it absorbs UV radiation and nothing lives there. Down here it's a pollutant who only real use is sterilizing / deodorizing cars and such.
normal olive oil does nothing, yes I've tried everything.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:16:34pm |
re: #231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And once again we see the refusal to engage my ideas from OCSP. She thinks I'm some kind of dumb ape apparently, and I reciprocate by considering her to be a pest.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:17:28pm |
re: #227 freetoken
Peas, pods:
UT professors object to creation institute's inclusion in charity list
We don't have to worry about the planet killings us, we are doomed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:19:40pm |
re: #224 prairiefire
Are you sure that's what it is called?
Yes
re: #225 goddamnedfrank
Have you tried normal olive oil? Seriously, the ozone just can't be good for your skin in the long term. It might help with itching in the short term by killing some surface bacteria but I'd worry about the long term consequences of continued use. You know how anti-oxidants are supposed to be good for repairing damage and helping prevent cancer? Well ozone is kind of the opposite of that, it wants to destructively react with everything it touches. It's good in the extreme upper atmosphere because it absorbs UV radiation and nothing lives there. Down here it's a pollutant who only real use is sterilizing / deodorizing cars and such.
It's not intended, as I understand it, for long-term use. and it's not being "breathed-in". Ozone is awful for lung tissue, but I've not read anything that is bad for skin.
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:21:30pm |
re: #233 ggt
normal olive oil does nothing, yes I've tried everything.
My brother likes kukui oil for his psoriasis. [Link: www.islandlotions.com...]
Night, lizards.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:24:10pm |
re: #236 ggt
Yes
re: #225 goddamnedfrank
It's not intended, as I understand it, for long-term use. and it's not being "breathed-in". Ozone is awful for lung tissue, but I've not read anything that is bad for skin.
Actually, I guess if you can smell it you are breathing it in.
hmmmm, I'll have to research some more.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:24:41pm |
re: #234 Dark_Falcon
And once again we see the refusal to engage my ideas from OCSP. She thinks I'm some kind of dumb ape apparently, and I reciprocate by considering her to be a pest.
Yes, trot out that wood for the cross, and climb upon it, because someone you don't like doesn't "engage" your ("your") ideas according to your personal dictates.
What is so *special* about your ("your") ideas, that they demand to be "engaged", let alone "engaged" by me?
If you want to know whether I think you're "a dumb ape", just ask me, and don't feel bad -- "dumb ape" is your terminology, not mine; I've never, ever used it, so leave that con self-loathing at the door where it belongs.
My question to you would be rhetorical, because I already know the answer: what in eff is the point of you even feigning to care?
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funky chicken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:31:37pm |
re: #92 jaunte
I think "Tiffany twisted" is the appropriate phrase.
There`s not enough jewelery in the entire Tiffany`s inventory
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:34:23pm |
re: #239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ys, trt t tht wd fr the crss, nd clmb pn t, bcs smn y dn't lk dsn't "ngg" yr ("yr") ds ccrdng t yr prsnl dctts.
Wht s s *spcl* bt yr ("yr") ds, tht thy dmnd t b "nggd", lt lon "nggd" by m?
f y wnt t knw whthr thnk y'r " dmb p", jst sk m, nd dn't fl bd -- "dmb p" s yr trmnlgy, nt mn; 've nvr, vr sd t, s lv tht cn slf-lthng t th dr whr t blngs.
My qstn t y wld b rhtrcl, bcs lrdy knw th nswr: wht n ff s th pnt f y vn fgnng t cr?
fixed
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:37:00pm |
re: #236 ggt
It's not intended, as I understand it, for long-term use. and it's not being "breathed-in". Ozone is awful for lung tissue, but I've not read anything that is bad for skin.
All I know is that ozone reacts with Titanium, and not a lot does. Even standard elemental oxygen is weird, it fuels our bodies but it can also be a poison.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:38:18pm |
re: #242 goddamnedfrank
It's not intended, as I understand it, for long-term use. and it's not being "breathed-in". Ozone is awful for lung tissue, but I've not read anything that is bad for skin.
All I know is that ozone reacts with Titanium, and not a lot does. Even standard elemental oxygen is weird, it fuels our bodies but it can also be a poison.
That could be a serious problem near some of the Army's new M240L GPMGs, which have titanium receivers. Does that pose a risk in your opinion?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:40:51pm |
re: #242 goddamnedfrank
All I know is that ozone reacts with Titanium, and not a lot does. Even standard elemental oxygen is weird, it fuels our bodies but it can also be a poison.
too much of a good thing . . . .
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:43:51pm |
I'm quickly becoming convinced that Eric Bolling is the stupidest man on television.
Fox Business' Follow The Money Unmasks The Muppets' Liberal Agenda: "Brainwashing" Your Kids!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:44:24pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
That could be a serious problem near some of the Army's new M240L GPMGs, which have titanium receivers. Does that pose a risk in your opinion?
No. Ti02 forms a clear protective layer, like Alumina on Aluminum. The layer prevents further oxidation, which is why they don't "rust" like iron.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:45:34pm |
re: #247 goddamnedfrank
No. Ti02 forms a clear protective layer, like Alumina on Aluminum. The layer prevents further oxidation, which is why they don't "rust" like iron.
Thank you for that.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:48:03pm |
re: #246 JasonA
I'm quickly becoming convinced that Eric Bolling is the stupidest man on television.
Fox Business' Follow The Money Unmasks The Muppets' Liberal Agenda: "Brainwashing" Your Kids!
Oh for fucks sake
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:52:05pm |
re: #248 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for that.
Speaking of Ti, my Titanium Apocalyspork came in the mail this week. The price is completely ridiculous but A.) I'm into ultralight backpacking and wanted a quality titanium spork B.) it'll last forever, and C.) I am a total sucker for any swag that opens beer.
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:52:21pm |
re: #249 Lidane
[Video]
I also find myself angry that Andrea Tantaros doesn't know the difference between The Muppets and Sesame Street. They aren't the same thing!!!
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Four More Tears Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:54:55pm |
re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh for fucks sake
I guess we're talking about people who think Gordon Gekko was the good guy.
| 254 |
Chrysicat Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:56:54pm |
re: #253 JasonA
Ya mean he wasn't? Then why'd they bring him back for the sequel?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:58:01pm |
re: #249 Lidane
[Video]
Statler: That was a great last speech by Herman Cain.
Waldorf: Oh, what did you like about it?
Statler: That it was the last speech by Herman Cain!
Both: O-hohohohoho!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:58:46pm |
Night all,
Have a great evening/morning!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:58:57pm |
You know you're a lameass when you're whining about the muppets.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 10:59:50pm |
re: #252 JasonA
I also find myself angry that Andrea Tantaros doesn't know the difference between The Muppets and Sesame Street. They aren't the same thing!!!
True, but Jim Henson had a critical influence on both, and Kermit the Frog has appeared on both shows. It's an understandable mistake if one was not a fan.
| 259 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:00:52pm |
re: #256 ggt
Night all,
Have a great evening/morning!
I'm out too. I'm just too tired to keep going.
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:05:06pm |
re: #255 Dark_Falcon
Statler: That was a great last speech by Herman Cain.
Waldorf: Oh, what did you like about it?
Statler: That it was the last speech by Herman Cain!
Both: O-hohohohoho!
WALDORF: These Republican candidates aren’t half bad.
STATLER: Nope, they’re ALL bad!
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Lidane Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:13:33pm |
re: #255 Dark_Falcon
Statler: That was a great last speech by Herman Cain.
Waldorf: Oh, what did you like about it?
Statler: That it was the last speech by Herman Cain!
Both: O-hohohohoho!
Statler: Did you see that?
Waldorf: Yes, Herman Cain is certainly taking a beating on this show.
Statler: It's hard to feel sorry for him. We take a beating EVERY show.
Both: HOHOHOHOHOHO
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:15:32pm |
re: #261 Lidane
Statler: Did you see that?
Waldorf: Yes, Herman Cain is certainly taking a beating on this show.
Statler: It's hard to feel sorry for him. We take a beating EVERY show.
Both: HOHOHOHOHOHO
Statler: Wake up you old fool. You slept through the GOP debate.
Waldorf: Who's a fool? You watched it.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:18:48pm |
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Lidane Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:23:19pm |
re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Statler: Wake up you old fool. You slept through the GOP debate.
Waldorf: Who's a fool? You watched it.
Waldorf: You know, it's too bad Herman Cain is leaving the GOP primary campaign.
Statler: Yeah. I can think of some other people I'd rather see leave the GOP primary campaign.
Waldorf: Who?
Statler: Me.
Both: HOHOHOHOHOHO
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Kragar Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:27:04pm |
re: #264 Lidane
Waldorf: You know, it's too bad Herman Cain is leaving the GOP primary campaign.
Statler: Yeah. I can think of some other people I'd rather see leave the GOP primary campaign.
Waldorf: Who?
Statler: Me.
Both: HOHOHOHOHOHO
Waldorf: I'll say this for the Frog
Statler: Whats that?
Waldorf: He's better than a Newt.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:43:26pm |
New WikiLeaks 'spy files' show global surveillance industry
LONDON — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange launched the website's new project Thursday, the publication of files it claims shows a global industry that gives dictatorships tools to spy on their citizens.
[…]
The Wikileaks files reveal the activities of about 160 companies in 25 countries which develop technologies to allow the tracking and monitoring of individuals by their mobile phones, email and Internet browsing histories.
"Today we release over 287 files documenting the reality of the international mass surveillance industry -- an industry which now sells equipment to dictators and democracies alike in order to intercept entire populations," Assange told reporters in London.
He said that in the last 10 years it had grown from a covert industry which primarily supplied government intelligence agencies such as the NSA in the United States and Britain's GCHQ, to a huge transnational business.
Assange has been in Britain for the past year fighting extradition to Sweden for questioning on allegations of rape and sexual assault, living under tight bail conditions. His case is due to come up again on Monday.
The documents on the website, [Link: wikileaks.org...] , include manuals for surveillance products sold to repressive Arab regimes.
They have come to light in part from offices ransacked during uprisings in countries such as Egypt and Libya earlier this year, as well as investigative work by WikiLeaks and its media and campaigning partners.
"These systems that are revealed in these documents show exactly the kind of systems that the Stasi (East Germany's secret police) wished they could have built," said Jacob Appelbaum, a former WikiLeaks spokesman and computer expert at the University of Washington.
"These systems have been sold by Western companies to places for example like Syria, and Libya and Tunisia and Egypt. These systems are used to hunt people down and to murder."
Experts who worked on the release warned that at present the industry was completely unregulated.
"Western governments cannot stand idly by while this technology is still being sold," said Eric King, from the Privacy International campaign group.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:46:27pm |
Oh, hey, they even have an entry for the company presumably responsible for creating the German government trojan: [Link: wikileaks.org...]
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freetoken Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:57:40pm |
Looks like all the comrads in Durban aren't getting along:
@NastasyaTay
Nastasya Tay
Conflict in the ranks. Different groups fighting about who gets to march in front. Organisers appealing for calm.
There's supposed to be a big march, with some OCCUPY folk, in addition to an assortment of this and that.
| 270 |
Lidane Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:01:27am |
Yeah. No hyperbole here:
Rep. Mike Kelly Says President Obama Is ‘The Pontius Pilate Of Politics’
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:04:30am |
re: #270 Lidane
Next step: simply declaring that the President is the Seed of Satan.
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Stanghazi Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:08:54am |
re: #271 freetoken
Next step: simply declaring that the President is the Seed of Satan.
Just wait!! trumps debate is coming!
| 274 |
Stanghazi Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:15:02am |
So I went to bed, er, laid down & passed out. I awoke to that lovely moment: The Walking Dead barn double death massacre! Lol, I'm awake now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:38:07am |
re: #67 jaunte
Someone may have noticed that it's not legal to use Shutterstock images for political endorsements.
I did not know that.
But I'm not running anyone's political campaign, so I'm entitled.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:39:41am |
re: #69 freetoken
It's all part of the evolutionary package for us primates (actually, many mammals): The position of Alpha Male is supposed to come with, um... benefits.
I understand that in wolf packs, it is the beta male's job to knock up the alpha female if the alpha male doesn't feel like it.
What does this have to do with anything? Not a thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:41:34am |
re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Star-fucking is as American as Apple pie.
Hell, I'll bet Keith Richards still gets laid.
Keith Richards, even in his current, slightly dilapidated, state, is far sexier than either Gingrich or Cain have ever been.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:43:20am |
re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If Khorne's followers scream "Blood for the Blood God!", do Slaneesh's followers scream "Porn for the Porn God!"?
Here's what's frightening...I've been seeing the names long enough to note the typo, even though I'm still not clear what source these things are from
| 279 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:47:33am |
re: #137 funky chicken
Herman Cain isn't a physically ugly man, IMO. Gingrich is. Shudder.
Cain has a slimy smile.
If he had a less slimy smile, he would be a perfectly presentable fellow.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:50:49am |
Chrome is working much better in almost all my browsing... especially with flash-heavy sites. Safari just got into too many beach ball dead ends.
Sad, kind of, as Safari still renders most pages beautifully. But Apple has made it such a memory hog, supposedly in order to make it speedier, but when the speed is gone all one is left with is memory hog.
| 281 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 12:54:26am |
re: #280 freetoken
Same here with Firefox. I hate Google, though.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:25:49am |
@NastasyaTay
Nastasya Tay
"Only leadership allowed at the front," the socialist union leader bellows to the crowd. #COP17
hehe...
@NastasyaTay
Nastasya Tay
Musical shouting of "I'm a socialist," ongoing. Just listening is making my throat hoarse. #COP17 protest
Where's Kilgore when you need him...
@xdoomx
✗ßrandøn✗ Ⓥ
Almost entire length of Pixley Kumene St full of people. 10,000+ ? #climatejustice #cop17
[Link: twitpic.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:28:29am |
re: #270 Lidane
so he's a muslim terrorist elitist socialist who killed Jesus
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:29:56am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:47:11am |
#unfollowlatuff
heh
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engineer cat Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:48:13am |
our german eschaton blog correspondant writes:
Three of the young women, who are supposed to have participated in the wild Bunga Bunga parties of Berlusconi, , committed according to data of the investigators prostitution. That reported the police investigator Marco Ciacci on the first hearing day of the spectacular Sex process against the earlier Italian head of government in Milan
his rather teutonic english trips him up on a classic false friend since "prozess" in german means 'trial', as in a legal proceeding
however i have volunteered to undergo this "spectacular sex process" in the hopes of having a penis seventeen feet long or something like that
| 289 |
wheat-dogghazi Sat, Dec 3, 2011 1:53:22am |
Women for Cain photo is now a smiling Herman apparently carrying a cardboard cutout of a smiling Mrs Cain under his right arm.
Is she really that much shorter than her husband? Or is someone's Photoshopping skills below par?
| 290 |
freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:09:52am |
UNEP released a sort of state-of-the-world report to lead up to Rio+20 next year:
PDF [Link: www.unep.org...]
It's ok, better than most, but still sort of flaky in places.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:19:06am |
Here's some more of the marchers from Durban:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Looks like a scary bunch.
But don't worry, the Lord High Denier Himself is rushing down there to protect us from the commies!
[Link: us1.campaign-archive2.com...]
That organization for whom Monckton is writing is classic right wing loony... they even take being interviewed by Alex Jones as some sort of honor.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:24:09am |
The head of the WMO weighed down in BS by the Lord High Denier Himself:
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:27:12am |
What would a hippie march be without painted nekkid wymyn?
[Link: twitter.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:28:34am |
re: #293 freetoken
black light body painting is more fun *_*
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Flavia Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:37:24am |
re: #285 WindUpBird
so he's a muslim terrorist elitist socialist who killed Jesus
You mean he's JEWISH, TOO??? (eye rolling)
(Also, they seem to have fixed the site. Is that a crappily cropped photo of him hugging his wife?)
| 296 |
William of Orange Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:50:35am |
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 2:53:27am |
The police are ready at the convention center:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
I don't see any pepper spray, though. Perhaps the Durban police are off script?
| 298 |
freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 3:01:14am |
"Nuclear Power is International TYRANNY!"
But... breasts are always welcome:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 3:52:20am |
"Nuclear Power is International TYRANNY!"But... breasts are always welcome:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
I like the cut of your jib this morning. Boobs can change the world!
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 3:54:03am |
re: #300 RogueOne
I like the cut of your jib this morning. Boobs can change the world!
Certainly they think so:
[Link: mypict.me...]
That was apparently the most exciting thing that happened today at COP17.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 3:59:55am |
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Flounder Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:01:37am |
Where is CCA?
Did his laptop give up the ghost?
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RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:02:44am |
re: #303 Shropshire_Slasher
Where is CCA?
Did his laptop give up the ghost?
Was wondering the same thing. I received a couple of phishing emails from his account last week, I wonder if he knows.
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Flounder Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:14:12am |
re: #304 RogueOne
Well I'll volunteer to drive down to Florida, grab Obdicut and Researchok on the way. Of course I'll start with the beaches, then Cape Canaveral, Disney will take a few days, and you know how Obdi loves to shop...we will find him!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:20:48am |
re: #305 Shropshire_Slasher
Well I'll volunteer to drive down to Florida, grab Obdicut and Researchok on the way. Of course I'll start with the beaches, then Cape Canaveral, Disney will take a few days, and you know how Obdi loves to shop...we will find him!
I'm right off 95 in NOVA. ROADTRIP!!
Also, Howdy Honcos!
| 307 |
RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:20:53am |
I try to keep the hyperbole to a minimum but sometimes I wonder if the world wouldn't be better off if we had a nice cleansing fire in some places:
Jailed Afghan rape victim wins pardon after agreeing to marry attacker
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:21:44am |
re: #306 rwdflynavy
How goes the somalia paper? Are you going to try to fix california next?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:22:31am |
re: #307 RogueOne
I try to keep the hyperbole to a minimum but sometimes I wonder if the world wouldn't be better off if we had a nice cleansing fire in some places:
Jailed Afghan rape victim wins pardon after agreeing to marry attacker
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Oh yeah, like the Taliban would have offered a pardon!!
//
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Flounder Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:22:44am |
re: #306 rwdflynavy
I got room for one more, two if someone wants to sit on Obdi's lap!!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:23:04am |
re: #308 RogueOne
How goes the somalia paper? Are you going to try to fix california next?
I'm studiously ignoring it at the moment. Somalia is easy to fix compared to CA.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:23:48am |
re: #310 Shropshire_Slasher
I got room for one more, two if someone wants to sit on Obdi's lap!!
I'll be the plus 1, not interested in the whole lap option as much as I like Obdi...
| 313 |
Flounder Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:25:08am |
re: #312 rwdflynavy
I always thought it was funny FBV thought Obdi as a hot chick, can't get that outta my head.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:27:14am |
re: #313 Shropshire_Slasher
I always thought it was funny FBV thought Obdi as a hot chick, can't get that outta my head.
Then He can sit on Obdi's lap. We'll have to swing out to I-81 and down to Roanoke to pick him up.
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Flounder Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:29:51am |
I betchya somebody's ears are ringing today. I gotta go, breakfast and paperwork have been completed, off to herd cats.
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RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:34:58am |
re: #314 rwdflynavy
Then He can sit on Obdi's lap. We'll have to swing out to I-81 and down to Roanoke to pick him up.
Proof that not eating meat leads to other poor lifestyle choices....
| 317 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:45:49am |
Early Morning Drive-by:
Have a great today all!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:46:12am |
re: #316 RogueOne
Proof that not eating meat leads to other poor lifestyle choices...
they come for
meat
sandwich
| 319 |
RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 4:58:12am |
re: #318 WindUpBird
I thought about you yesterday. This song popped up on my playlist while I was on the road yesterday. I think it might be one of the coolest songs ever made. If I could steal the credit for writing any song in history it might be this:
Spacelord:
great video too but the only decent copy I could find was from VEVO
| 320 |
Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 5:11:14am |
'Morning, all. Today's XKCD is on our wavelength. (Be sure to scroll over the metatext.)
[Link: xkcd.com...]
| 321 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Dec 3, 2011 5:19:53am |
re: #319 RogueOne
Monster Magnet is the best band on earth at what they do *_*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Dec 3, 2011 5:23:19am |
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RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 5:24:14am |
Remember the old guy in FL who got busted giving door-to-door breast exams? He took a plea deal:
Man, 81, gets 13 months for fake breast exams
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
As part of a deal with Broward County prosecutors, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports that 81-year-old Phillip Winikoff pleaded no contest Friday to eight counts related to the fake exams. Once out of prison, Winikoff will serve three years of community control followed by 15 years of sex offender probation.
.....
If tried and convicted, Winikoff could have been sentenced to more than 45 years for sexual battery and 10 years for practicing medicine without a license.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Dec 3, 2011 5:26:33am |
re: #323 RogueOne
Remember the old guy in FL who got busted giving door-to-door breast exams? He took a plea deal:
Man, 81, gets 13 months for fake breast exams
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
The breast exams were fake, but the intelligence tests he administered were real.
| 325 |
RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 5:41:55am |
re: #324 rwdflynavy
These kids are looking at 10 years just for getting the breast exam merit badge:
Image: 1224607376.jpg
| 326 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 6:54:18am |
LAPD went undercover at Occupy LA
None of the officers slept at the camp, but they tried to blend in during the weeks leading up to the raid to learn about plans to resist or use weapons against police, a police source told the Los Angeles Times. The source spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing.
The undercover work yielded information that some protesters were preparing bamboo spears and other potentially dangerous weapons in advance of an expected eviction, none of which were used, according to the City News Service, which first reported the story.
| 327 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 6:54:18am |
Is Cain still Wraithwart's favorite candidate?
| 328 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 6:56:21am |
| 329 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:01:04am |
re: #328 Sergey Romanov
Wait, because of this?
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Did Latuff finally draw something truthful for a change?
| 330 |
Dave In Austin Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:09:46am |
Needed to post this link out, great dialog on the Cainster:
[Link: www.austinrabble.com...]
| 331 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:16:45am |
re: #329 Sergey Romanov
Wait, because of this?
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Did Latuff finally draw something truthful for a change?
Heh, I thought for sure it was going to be a cartoon of Obama as a Jewish puppet plotting against Iran.
| 332 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:25:32am |
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:27:19am |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
Isn't Press TV the Iranian news network?
| 334 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:27:32am |
Fantastic Link on the This Page!
It needs to be tweeted, etc.
Really!
| 335 |
Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:30:18am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:32:51am |
re: #333 Obdicut
Isn't Press TV the Iranian news network?
Yeah, the Iranian press has been really fascinated by OWS. When students stormed the British embassy last week they billed it as an "occupy" protest.
| 337 |
Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:35:46am |
re: #336 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the Iranian press has been really fascinated by OWS. When students stormed the British embassy last week they billed it as an "occupy" protest.
Because it gives the Iranian regime a convenient scapegoat.
"Look, it's the foreigners stirring up trouble, not our policies!"
| 338 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:36:05am |
re: #329 Sergey Romanov
I honestly don't know. That picture is from December 3. But the campaign seems to be much older. I can't see his tweeets past 7 hours ago for some reason, so no way for me to verify whether this is authentic or not. He might have advocated boycotting the elections.
| 339 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:39:08am |
re: #337 Varek Raith
Because it gives the Iranian regime a convenient scapegoat.
"Look, it's the foreigners stirring up trouble, not our policies!"
I think they're using it to show America is a repressive police state and a global enemy of freedom.
| 340 |
RogueOne Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:43:24am |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
I don't see anything in the story that warrants the headline. "sniper" is a weird typo for "spies"
| 341 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:45:05am |
re: #340 RogueOne
I don't see anything in the story that warrants the headline. "sniper" is a weird typo for "spies"
Kinda like the mirror image of the NY Post.
| 342 |
Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:47:52am |
yes on Dec 2, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus made a curious claim on MSNBC today, alleging that Wisconsin is a state “that was absolutely riddled with voter fraud.”
The problem? A recent study by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice found just seven cases of voter fraud out of three million votes cast in Wisconsin during the 2004 election, a fraud rate of 0.0002 percent. All seven of these cases involved persons with felony convictions who weren’t eligible to vote after being released from prison.
Unfazed by the minuscule incidence of actual voter fraud – comedian Stephen Colbert joked that “our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere” – Priebus went on MSNBC to defend Wisconsin’s new photo ID requirement and yesterday’s anti-voting rights measure passed by the House GOP. When host Martin Bashir pushed the RNC Chair about his party’s motivations for restricting voting rights, Priebus pointed to his home state of Wisconsin and declared, “I come from a state in Wisconsin that was absolutely riddled with voter fraud, okay?”
BASHIR: Just last night Republicans in the House voted to dismantle the Election Assistance Commission, the sole purpose of which is to make sure states meet voting standards that prevent fraud. Why would Republicans do that if they’re honestly concerned about preventing fraud? [...]
PRIEBUS: Well listen, I don’t want to get into the specifics here, but let me tell you something. I come from a state in Wisconsin that was absolutely riddled with voter fraud, okay? They had the smokes-for-votes exchange in Milwaukee. This is something that has nothing to do with constitutional rights of the people who are committing the fraud, it has to do with the constitutional rights of people under our Constitution that one person gets one vote, not two or three or four or five, by not having reasonable voting standards in this country to make sure that fraud doesn’t occur.
Watch it:
Research has found that voters are 39 times more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud at the polls, and 3,500 times more likely to report a UFO encounter.
Voter fraud certainly ought to be prosecuted in the extremely rare instances when it occurs. But Republicans like Priebus are using the false specter of fraud as a cudgel to disenfranchise millions.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:51:12am |
re: #336 Killgore Trout
So why link to them? Especially uncritically?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:55:58am |
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:56:16am |
re: #290 freetoken
UNEP released a sort of state-of-the-world report to lead up to Rio+20 next year:
PDF [Link: www.unep.org...]
It's ok, better than most, but still sort of flaky in places.
Oh yay! Another annual meeting with large delegations from nations all over the world flying in, having their very, very important meetings full of overconsumption of luxury items and foods....to tell us we are guilty of overconsumption of the world's resources. Sorry, but I use way, way less fossil fuel and luxury items than these climate delegations. As long as they have these ridiculous meetings every year instead of just picking one project to fix, I'm not buying in to their movement. They could very well have regional meetings linked by teleconference at which they vote to fund a different important green project every year....instead they all ... grr ... pontificate and do nothing.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:57:34am |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
I thought the criticism was obvious.
Ah. It wasn't. And I'm still not sure what the relevance is; Iranian propaganda lies about stuff, so therefore..? Is it just that it's about Occupy that tickled your brainstem?
| 347 |
Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 7:59:05am |
In lighter news:
[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]
If you're getting tired of the overbearing drumcirclers of the Occupy movement nothing brings you back around to their point of view quite like a steaming pile of one percenter consumerism. It serves as a reminder that, nope, not everyone is in this together. Some people are doing just fine. Finer, even. It's time for another "December to Remember Sales Event" from Lexus.
This month's festival of excess comes courtesy of the 2011 Lexus marketing campaign, running ad nauseum, which suggests the only way to create a "December to Remember" is to play the Lexus theme song and tie a bow around a 60,000 dollar hybrid SUV that you're giving to somebody for Christmas. I know you've seen these miserable things. They amount to either a terrible miscalculation about what Americans want shot out of their TVs at their faces or a sort of cocky, "deal with it" from Lexus about how shitty our lives are.
I understand that Lexus is a manufacturer of luxury automobiles and I don't begrudge them that. Certain people just need fancier cars to go to their fancy places fancier. If the commies had won the Cold War we'd all be waiting to get our chance for an unpainted Lada made out of tin with features like "front and one side window," "power headlight" and "full floor." At least this way a few hours of busking outside the train station and you can buy enough gasoline to drive your heated '89 Tercel to a different train station to busk, all so you can save up money to buy a Chinese hunk of crap and a couple video games about murdering robots for your ungrateful kids.
Merry Christmas, everybody.
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:00:53am |
| 349 |
Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:01:13am |
re: #347 Obdicut
I see nothing wrong with murdering robots...
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:01:59am |
re: #342 Varek Raith
I actually don't mind a photo ID requirement to vote. I have to have a photo ID to check out a library book, a rented video, write a check, see the doctor, travel anywhere, and even get onto the military bases where my husband works (so does he), so it's OK if I have to show ID before I vote.
I don't think there's some massive epidemic of voter fraud. I just don't think it's a huge hardship to ask people to show ID at the voting booth.
| 351 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:04:36am |
re: #346 Obdicut
Ah. It wasn't. And I'm still not sure what the relevance is; Iranian propaganda lies about stuff, so therefore..? Is it just that it's about Occupy that tickled your brainstem?
Press TV is the go-to source for Occupy news, dontcha know?
| 352 |
Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:05:43am |
re: #350 funky chicken
It's not relevant whether it's a huge hardship. The problem doesn't exist. So why try to fix the phony problem, in a way that makes it absolutely certain some legitimate voters will not be able to vote? And that disproportionately affects minorities, students, and the elderly, the groups least likely to have an ID?
| 353 |
funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:06:31am |
re: #347 Obdicut
In lighter news:
[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]
Is that what those stupid music boxes are playing? My son and I have seen several of those commercials, and we couldn't figure out how the hell a tinkly little music box was supposed to let the recipient know they were about to get a fancy car.
Merry Xmas! Enjoy those $900 a month car payment for the next 5 years!
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:10:02am |
re: #352 Obdicut
The elderly have picture ID if they use Medicare. Minorities have IDs if they travel or rent videos or use libraries. Students have student IDs that have pictures on them...even my Jr High age kids have them given to them free by their schools.
I'm not buying the hardship angle.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:11:10am |
re: #354 funky chicken
The elderly have picture ID if they use Medicare. Minorities have IDs if they travel or rent videos or use libraries. Students have student IDs that have pictures on them...even my Jr High age kids have them given to them free by their schools.
I'm not buying the hardship angle.
Texas has a law that stated student IDs do not count, iirc.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:11:28am |
re: #352 Obdicut
Given the size of the problem, the RNC chair blowing it up into a scare is both a lie and a massive waste of time.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:13:35am |
re: #354 funky chicken
The elderly have picture ID if they use Medicare. Minorities have IDs if they travel or rent videos or use libraries. Students have student IDs that have pictures on them...even my Jr High age kids have them given to them free by their schools.
I'm not buying the hardship angle.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:14:51am |
re: #354 funky chicken
The elderly have picture ID if they use Medicare. Minorities have IDs if they travel or rent videos or use libraries.
And what if they don't? And I have no idea where you're coming up with this travel bullshit-- I travel without ID all the time. What are you talking about?
Students have student IDs that have pictures on them...even my Jr High age kids have them given to them free by their schools.
Those aren't considered valid for voting.
I'm not buying the hardship angle.
I'm not selling the hardship angle, so I have no idea why you're acting as though I am.
There isn't a problem with voter fraud in this country. There especially isn't a problem with in-person impersonation of voters. That is the stupidest way possible to try to subvert the vote, and it is the only type that voter ID prevents. The problem doesn't exist.
Those trying to 'fix' the 'problem', curiously enough, never actually do so. They say that they'll provide free IDs to all who need them-- and then close down the offices that provide those IDs, disproportionately in the communities that need them most. They allow a gun license to be used as an ID, but not a medicare card. Etc. etc.
We are not talking about honest attempts to make sure that voters have their identity confirmed, but attempts at suppressing the vote that tie into many, many other attempts by the GOP to suppress the vote.
Here are a couple of good reports by the Brennan center for your perusal.
[Link: www.brennancenter.org...]
[Link: www.brennancenter.org...]
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darthstar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:15:14am |
Yet another reason to like Al Franken
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:15:28am |
Sorry, Jews...
Rep. Hartzler: ‘Christianity Is The Main Religion’
PERKINS: Do you see this as a part of a growing trend that we see that there is really kind of a marginalization of Christianity and almost a promotion of other forms of, I would have to say, fringe religions?
HARTZLER: I agree, I think so. Christianity is the main religion in our country and as a policy for the Department of Defense we need to defend the practice of religion but we do not have to obligate taxpayer funds to facilitate or accommodate it or pay for it.
PERKINS: Is it the government’s role to try to put all religions on the same plane?
HARTZLER: No, it’s not their role at all. Their role is to facilitate basic policy for our country and to not to try to lift up one religion over the other. They should be defending the basic rights that we have, that freedom of religion here, and certainly not facilitating or accommodating fringe religions. It’s crazy.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:15:45am |
Research has found that voters are 39 times more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud at the polls, and 3,500 times more likely to report a UFO encounter.
In contrast:
Voter ID has been the hottest topic of legislation in the field of elections this year.
[Link: www.ncsl.org...]
This is what our elected officials are concerned about; forget the economy.
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:18:21am |
re: #354 funky chicken
Funky, if you at least agree that voter fraud isn't the problem, then you have to ask why this issue is being pushed so hard.
Because it disenfranchises people.
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:19:24am |
re: #359 darthstar
Yet another reason to like Al Franken
[Video]
Fuck, people, TURN YOUR PHONE 90 DEGREES WHEN TAKING VIDEO!
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:19:35am |
re: #361 jaunte
In contrast:
This is what our elected officials are concerned about; forget the economy.
I vote from my UFO while it gets struck by lightning.
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bratwurst Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:21:13am |
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:23:12am |
re: #365 bratwurst
What happened to the whole "judeo-christian" thing?
There's a reason they don't say Christo-Judaism. Judeo-Christian is a phraseology that clearly places Christianity as the central, important religion.
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:24:21am |
re: #352 Obdicut
It's not relevant whether it's a huge hardship. The problem doesn't exist. So why try to fix the phony problem, in a way that makes it absolutely certain some legitimate voters will not be able to vote? And that disproportionately affects minorities, students, and the elderly, the groups least likely to have an ID?
You repeated the thing that voter ID laws will disproportionately affect certain groups, meaning it would create an impediment or hardship to them. I'm just saying that it's an argument I've heard many times, and it's just not persuasive.
And jaunte is 100% right. We have serious problems in the country, and all the legislators want to focus on is voter ID laws...it's classic sound and fury, signifying nothing ... from both sides.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:24:23am |
Yesterday, one of the "bombs" insurance companies feared most in Obamacare detonated...
That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.
This is the true ‘bomb’ contained in Obamacare and the one item that will have more impact on the future of how medical care is paid for in this country than anything we’ve seen in quite some time. Indeed, it is this aspect of the law that represents the true ‘death panel’ found in Obamacare—but not one that is going to lead to the death of American consumers. Rather, the medical loss ration will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industry.
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
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darthstar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:27:22am |
re: #368 darthstar
Yesterday, one of the "bombs" insurance companies feared most in Obamacare detonated...
[Link: www.forbes.com...]
Here’s an example: For months, health insurance brokers and salespeople have been lobbying to have the commissions they earn for selling an insurer’s program to consumers be included as a ‘medical expense’ for purposes of the rules. HHS has, today, given them the official thumbs down, as well they should have.
Wow fucking wow...
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:29:21am |
re: #366 Obdicut
Traces of Jacob & Esau…
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:30:05am |
re: #369 darthstar
I think there has to be someone in insurance who can figure out how to run a business with only 15% of the vast sums involved.
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:30:34am |
re: #369 darthstar
Wow fucking wow...
Well gee, that commission helps get that person insured so they won't get healthy without it. Duh.
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:31:25am |
re: #371 jaunte
I think there has to be someone in insurance who can figure out how to run a business with only 15% of the vast sums involved.
You could say the same about the wireless carriers, but it ain't happening there either.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:32:01am |
re: #373 JasonA
True, no one is going to leave that money in the cost of the product unless they're forced to.
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:32:55am |
re: #362 JasonA
Funky, if you at least agree that voter fraud isn't the problem, then you have to ask why this issue is being pushed so hard.
Because it disenfranchises people.
I don't think it does. I think it's typical stupidity from politicians--old GOPers trying to scare old white people and Dems screaming that requiring a picture ID to vote is an attack on minorities...
Do you know anybody without a picture ID? They aren't hard to get.
My point is that the majority of folks don't see why it's any big deal to show ID for all kinds of daily activities, so they aren't gonna mind if they have to show one to vote. And they aren't gonna believe that other people can't get a picture ID.
The GOP keeps going back to it because it's about the only issue where their side makes basic common sense.
Tax cuts for millionaires obviously has failed to stimulate job creation. Newt Gingrich as a defender of marriage? "Keep the government away from my Medicare?" Um....wow.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:33:43am |
re: #371 jaunte
I think there has to be someone in insurance who can figure out how to run a business with only 15% of the vast sums involved.
Medicare runs with a 3.5% overhead.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:33:52am |
re: #375 funky chicken
Do you know anybody without a picture ID? They aren't hard to get.
Didn't Lidane have a story to tell about this?
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darthstar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:36:09am |
Had a lovely dinner last night with friends and have enjoyed a few hours of a Lazy Saturday morning...but it's time to go run the dogs, then it's off to the Ritz for brunch (little sister's birthday)...
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:38:09am |
re: #374 jaunte
True, no one is going to leave that money in the cost of the product unless they're forced to.
Pretty sure the lack of competition has something to do with it.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:38:38am |
Alabama caught another unlicensed foreigner driving around:
Yada was stopped in Leeds, Alabama, at a checkpoint set up by police to catch unlicenced drivers. He was ticketed on the spot, despite the fact that he showed an international driver's licence, a valid passport and a US work permit.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:39:29am |
re: #375 funky chicken
The GOP keeps going back to it because
it's about the only issue where their side makes basic common senseof the few people who will not vote as a result of new rules, all of them will be Democrats.
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:44:12am |
re: #381 wrenchwench
If the law disproportionately affects old folks, I'd think a fair number of those votes might go GOP. I read something yesterday that said Gingrich (shudder) is extremely popular among the old folks demographic.
I think the issue is a loser for democrats among the majority of voters, that's all. I don't think requiring IDs to vote will lead to a massive wave of GOP landslides across the country, and the arguments against it don't make much political sense to most people.
Do any of you folks really believe voter ID laws would cause democrats to lose elections they would otherwise have won? I just don't see it.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:44:32am |
re: #375 funky chicken
I don't think it does. I think it's typical stupidity from politicians--old GOPers trying to scare old white people and Dems screaming that requiring a picture ID to vote is an attack on minorities...
Do you know anybody without a picture ID? They aren't hard to get.
My point is that the majority of folks don't see why it's any big deal to show ID for all kinds of daily activities, so they aren't gonna mind if they have to show one to vote. And they aren't gonna believe that other people can't get a picture ID.
The GOP keeps going back to it because it's about the only issue where their side makes basic common sense.
Tax cuts for millionaires obviously has failed to stimulate job creation. Newt Gingrich as a defender of marriage? "Keep the government away from my Medicare?" Um...wow.
In my state, one has to show a valid picture ID the first time they vote. For example, if they are registering to vote at the DMV, the ID requirement is taken care of there. If someone signs up at a voter registration drive, they have to show a picture ID the first time they show up to vote. Other than that, a picture ID is not required. When voting, one signs right next to a copy of their signature from their original voter registration.
My grandmother had picture ID and then she didn't when her driver's license expired and she didn't renew it because she didn't drive any more. She didn't want to go sit at the DMV to get a valid picture ID when it was unnecessary. There are plenty of elderly folks in the same situation.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:48:10am |
re: #375 funky chicken
Do you know anybody without a picture ID? They aren't hard to get.
My point is that the majority of folks don't see why it's any big deal to show ID for all kinds of daily activities, so they aren't gonna mind if they have to show one to vote. And they aren't gonna believe that other people can't get a picture ID.
The GOP keeps going back to it because it's about the only issue where their side makes basic common sense.
I know a *ton* of people without government-issued ID's.
Very few New Yorkers have drivers' licenses; very few poor people have passports. You don't need to show ID when you're cashing your paycheck at the register of your place of employment, or if your employer issues badges with a picture on them, or if the supermarket checkout clerk has known you since 2nd grade. I never have to show ID to use my credit cards. You don't need ID to send a check through the mail, or to buy a money order, or to pay your bills in cash.
In rural places, there's lots of old and/or poor people (especially minorities) with no ID -- why would they have ever thought to get one, everybody knows everybody.
A trip to the DMV is no big deal for someone with a car and the occasional half-day off work; it's hugely difficult for people who take the bus, who have a hard time standing in line, who work menial jobs that they can't get time off very easily.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:49:43am |
re: #380 jaunte
Alabama caught another unlicensed foreigner driving around:
"Papers, please."
"More papers, please."
"More papers, please."
"Sorry, I don't recognize those, because I am not a trained immigration officer. Please accept this paper from me."
From your link:
The St Louis-based Post-Dispatch newspaper revelled in Alabama's embarrassment by publishing an open letter to foreign car companies encouraging them to pack their bags and move to the rival car-producing state of Missouri.
"We are the Show Me State, not the Show Me Your Papers State," it wrote, telling auto bosses: "You've got two choices. Either ask your executives to carry their immigration papers at all times, or move to a state that understands gemüchlichkeit."
Even Arizona has realized its laws can be bad for business.
Arizona, the nation’s leader in over-the-top immigration laws, has pulled back. Its Republican-controlled Senate rejected five anti-immigration bills in one day last week. It was a startling rebuke to the Senate president, the architect of the state’s go-it-alone approach to enforcement. Other states weighing similar crackdowns should take note.
The reversal has to do with money, of course. The bills were dead once the state’s business lobby weighed in against them. Sixty chief executives signed a letter to the Legislature saying the harsh immigration measures were having “unintended consequences” — boycotts, lost jobs, canceled contracts, publicity so bad that businesses with Arizona in their names were suffering — even one based in Brooklyn. The chief executive of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Glenn Hamer, said the reaction to Arizona’s extremism had already cost the state $15 million to $150 million in lost tourism revenue.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:51:42am |
re: #382 funky chicken
Do any of you folks really believe voter ID laws would cause democrats to lose elections they would otherwise have won? I just don't see it.
How many elections are decided by 2%? Can you think of any possible reason other than partisan preference why Texas would accept gun licenses (no picture) as voter ID, but not university ID (which do have a picture)?
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Lidane Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:51:51am |
re: #377 000G
Didn't Lidane have a story to tell about this?
I don't remember a story about photo ID offhand. Remind me what the story was and I'll tell you if it was me.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:53:36am |
re: #387 Lidane
I don't remember a story about photo ID offhand. Remind me what the story was and I'll tell you if it was me.
Something about you having to get some official documentation between jobs & college. There were also some transportation difficulties, IIRC. Maybe I am remembering incorrectly, though.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:54:01am |
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 8:55:24am |
re: #385 wrenchwench
The authors of the laws don't care about the economic hardship it creates:
Republican state Sen. Scott Beason of Gardendale met with about 50 growers, workers, brokers and business people Monday at a tomato packing shed on Chandler Mountain in northeast Alabama. They complained that the new law, which went into effect Thursday, scared off many of their migrant workers at harvest time.
“The tomatoes are rotting on the vine, and there is very little we can do,” said Chad Smith, who farms tomatoes with his uncle, father and brother.
“My position is to stay with the law as it is,” Beason told the farmers.
[Link: www2.dothaneagle.com...]
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:01:04am |
re: #382 funky chicken
If the law disproportionately affects old folks, I'd think a fair number of those votes might go GOP. I read something yesterday that said Gingrich (shudder) is extremely popular among the old folks demographic.
I think the issue is a loser for democrats among the majority of voters, that's all. I don't think requiring IDs to vote will lead to a massive wave of GOP landslides across the country, and the arguments against it don't make much political sense to most people.
Do any of you folks really believe voter ID laws would cause democrats to lose elections they would otherwise have won? I just don't see it.
I'm just pointing out the motivation for Republicans to pursue this. I see it in my state, county, and city. It won't swing a bunch of elections, but if it swings one or two, they will consider it worth it. Especially because the argument that "it makes basic common sense" seems to sell. How does it make basic common sense when it's "fixing" a problem that doesn't exist?
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:01:16am |
Herman Cain is livestreaming
[Link: hermancain.com...]
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Lidane Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:01:32am |
re: #388 000G
Something about you having to get some official documentation between jobs & college. There were also some transportation difficulties, IIRC. Maybe I am remembering incorrectly, though.
Ah. I remember that now. I don't think I was talking about me specifically. I have both a valid drivers license and a student ID.
I think I was pointing out that the DPS offices here in Austin have really inconvenient hours for anyone who doesn't have a car and who has a job where leaving early isn't an option. If you don't have a car and you've got an unreasonable asshole boss, it's sometimes a choice between keeping your job and getting things done that need to get done.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:03:25am |
The next Not Romney?
Conservatives Starting To Catch On That Jon Huntsman Is A Conservative
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:04:55am |
re: #367 funky chicken
You repeated the thing that voter ID laws will disproportionately affect certain groups, meaning it would create an impediment or hardship to them. I'm just saying that it's an argument I've heard many times, and it's just not persuasive.
Then read the highly-researched stuff from the Brennan institute, instead of making an argument through incredulity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:05:57am |
re: #289 wheatdogg
Women for Cain photo is now a smiling Herman apparently carrying a cardboard cutout of a smiling Mrs Cain under his right arm.
Is she really that much shorter than her husband? Or is someone's Photoshopping skills below par?
All the pictures I've seen of her, she appears to be very small.
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allegro Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:08:01am |
re: #390 jaunte
“The tomatoes are rotting on the vine, and there is very little we can do,” said Chad Smith, who farms tomatoes with his uncle, father and brother.
Makes me wonder why they don't put up a sign and toss some Craig's List ads or something to the public to come pick their own tomatoes at a great price. Better than letting them rot. I remember as a kid, the family would go to a local peach tree farm and pick peaches every year. I've picked strawberries down here at a favorite campground.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:10:40am |
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:12:06am |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
I checked earlier, just replaying some commercials. Now I'm having a hard time getting it to play.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:12:35am |
re: #399 jaunte
I checked earlier, just replaying some commercials. Now I'm having a hard time getting it to play.
Same here.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:13:06am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:13:15am |
re: #375 funky chicken
I don't think it does. I think it's typical stupidity from politicians--old GOPers trying to scare old white people and Dems screaming that requiring a picture ID to vote is an attack on minorities...
Do you know anybody without a picture ID? They aren't hard to get.
My point is that the majority of folks don't see why it's any big deal to show ID for all kinds of daily activities, so they aren't gonna mind if they have to show one to vote. And they aren't gonna believe that other people can't get a picture ID.
The GOP keeps going back to it because it's about the only issue where their side makes basic common sense.
I agree with you picture ID is easy to get. Yet we see these ads for check cashing places. They take a % of $ from the most poor. Ouch. Those who don't get a regular bank account for lack of ID. We have far bigger better reasons to push picture ID to just about everyone, just because the lack of it is obviously so damaging. After you do that you can have all the voter ID ya want, because so incredibly few lack it.
Then when you have voter ID, and a very close election, you have a more accurate vote.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:14:00am |
re: #397 allegro
It's probably a rush job when the whole field gets to the right ripeness; they have to have a large workforce all at the same time.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:17:01am |
re: #403 jaunte
It's probably a rush job when the whole field gets to the right ripeness; they have to have a large workforce all at the same time.
Tomatoes aren't hard to come by in Alabama. These are industrial farms growing for distant markets.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:18:12am |
re: #392 jaunte
Herman Cain is livestreaming
[Link: hermancain.com...]
Has he always had that silhouette & sunset photo on that page? If not, then it's a pretty explicit bit of foreshadowing.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:18:47am |
re: #406 CuriousLurker
I like the 'Donate Now' button. Last chance!
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:19:34am |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:19:45am |
re: #402 Rightwingconspirator
I agree with you picture ID is easy to get. Yet we see these ads for check cashing places. They take a % of $ from the most poor. Ouch. Those who don't get a regular bank account for lack of ID. We have far bigger better reasons to push picture ID to just about everyone, just because the lack of it is obviously so damaging. After you do that you can have all the voter ID ya want, because so incredibly few lack it.
Then when you have voter ID, and a very close election, you have a more accurate vote.
Seems like I recall that just about every time someone starts talking about photo IDs for everyone, the entire political spectrum goes berserk and starts ranting about how the New World Order Mark of the Beast Illuminati NeoCon United Nations One World Government will use it to put everyone under surveillance at all times, outlaw everything fun, ban guns, and force Christians to get gay-married to Muslims while requiring everyone to have mandatory abortions performed by the IRS.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:21:25am |
re: #406 CuriousLurker
Has he always had that silhouette & sunset photo on that page? If not, then it's a pretty explicit bit of foreshadowing.
Still has the donate link up, though. Yay, cynicism.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:23:12am |
re: #409 negativ
Seems like I recall that just about every time someone starts talking about photo IDs for everyone, the entire political spectrum goes berserk and starts ranting about how the New World Order Mark of the Beast Illuminati NeoCon United Nations One World Government will use it to put everyone under surveillance at all times, outlaw everything fun, ban guns, and force Christians to get gay-married to Muslims while requiring everyone to have mandatory abortions performed by the IRS.
re: #410 negativ
Still has the donate link up, though. Yay, cynicism.
Hahahaha!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:24:23am |
re: #402 Rightwingconspirator
I agree with you picture ID is easy to get. Yet we see these ads for check cashing places. They take a % of $ from the most poor. Ouch. Those who don't get a regular bank account for lack of ID. We have far bigger better reasons to push picture ID to just about everyone, just because the lack of it is obviously so damaging. After you do that you can have all the voter ID ya want, because so incredibly few lack it.
Then when you have voter ID, and a very close election, you have a more accurate vote.
It's missing the point to argue over ID when it just gets you the chance to vote on a hackable electronic tabulator with no paper trail.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:26:42am |
LOL, some dude is fully dressed in Revolutionary War garb at the Cain HQ.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:27:10am |
re: #414 Varek Raith
LOL, some dude is fully dressed in Revolutionary War garb at the Cain HQ.
Giving a speech no less.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:28:03am |
re: #414 Varek Raith
ot: you mentioned your previous use of creation kits. Can you tell me what you did with them? Mods? New maps? Just curious.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:28:18am |
I am the new head football coach at Penn State #possibleHermanCainannouncements
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Lidane Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:28:19am |
Why does my MSNBC feed have some guy in Revolutionary War garb rambling?
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:28:39am |
Okay, I can't watch any more. Ten minutes of my life I can never have back. Ugh. Gonna find something better to do...
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:29:12am |
re: #416 Sergey Romanov
ot: you mentioned your previous use of creation kits. Can you tell me what you did with them? Mods? New maps? Just curious.
Mods.
Mostly to fix various things that annoyed me.
Here's the best site for Skyrim mods, btw.
[Link: www.skyrimnexus.com...]
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:29:44am |
re: #418 Lidane
Why does my MSNBC feed have some guy in Revolutionary War garb rambling?
GET OFF MY WAR RAFT
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:29:57am |
So does Cain leave or not?
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allegro Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:30:15am |
re: #413 Decatur Deb
It's missing the point to argue over ID when it just gets you the chance to vote on a hackable electronic tabulator with no paper trail.
I was thinking the same thing. That, plus the limited voting booths in minority areas that make voters stand in line for hours if they want to vote while voters in more affluent/Republican areas zip right in and out, voter caging that somehow only happens in minority/low income areas, etc. Picture ID is only one piece of a bigger puzzle that all adds up to significant voter disenfranchisement.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:32:07am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:35:01am |
What's he babbling about?
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:35:45am |
re: #422 Sergey Romanov
So does Cain leave or not?
Who the hell knows? The GOP's bat guano craziness has become impossible to predict with any accuracy (beyond the guarantee that it'll be jaw-droppingly asinine).
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:36:06am |
re: #384 sagehen
I know a *ton* of people without government-issued ID's.
Very few New Yorkers have drivers' licenses; very few poor people have passports. You don't need to show ID when you're cashing your paycheck at the register of your place of employment, or if your employer issues badges with a picture on them, or if the supermarket checkout clerk has known you since 2nd grade. I never have to show ID to use my credit cards. You don't need ID to send a check through the mail, or to buy a money order, or to pay your bills in cash.
In rural places, there's lots of old and/or poor people (especially minorities) with no ID -- why would they have ever thought to get one, everybody knows everybody.
A trip to the DMV is no big deal for someone with a car and the occasional half-day off work; it's hugely difficult for people who take the bus, who have a hard time standing in line, who work menial jobs that they can't get time off very easily.
I've had health issues lately, and every doctor's office has required picture ID and insurance card before they will even hand me the forms to fill out. My husband's military, and we've moved a lot, which has required me to enroll my kids in several states' public schools. All have required much more documentation than a single picture ID. Before I signed my last lease I had to produce 2 forms of picture ID. etc, etc. And don't even talk about trying to get credit, whether it's at a car dealership or at Best Buy or Rent-A-Center. All require some kind of official picture ID.
How do these massive numbers of people get through daily lives with zero picture ID?
I just don't think an ID requirement is going to lead to GOP landslides or any discernible hardship for people who want to vote.
Again, sound and fury, signifying nothing. And most moderate voters aren't going to be persuaded that voter ID laws are a huge injustice, so I think it is probably a winner for the GOP, which is a real shame.
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garhighway Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:38:18am |
re: #395 Obdicut
Then read the highly-researched stuff from the Brennan institute, instead of making an argument through incredulity.
Afternoon, all.
Yes, the Brennan Center hits this well:
1> There is no voter fraud problem to begin with. Voter ID laws are solutions in search of a problem.
2> The only rational reason for the "party of smaller governement" to enact such a law, since it has nothing to do with the integrity of the vote, is political opportunism. In close votes, knocking down the minority vote by a couple of points, by whatever means necessary, is a winning strategy.
3> And since their base denies the legitimacy of minority voters (not "real Americans") there's no political blowback to them. The base eats this stuff up.
[Link: www.brennancenter.org...]
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garhighway Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:39:35am |
re: #428 funky chicken
I've had health issues lately, and every doctor's office has required picture ID and insurance card before they will even hand me the forms to fill out. My husband's military, and we've moved a lot, which has required me to enroll my kids in several states' public schools. All have required much more documentation than a single picture ID. Before I signed my last lease I had to produce 2 forms of picture ID. etc, etc. And don't even talk about trying to get credit, whether it's at a car dealership or at Best Buy or Rent-A-Center. All require some kind of official picture ID.
How do these massive numbers of people get through daily lives with zero picture ID?
I just don't think an ID requirement is going to lead to GOP landslides or any discernible hardship for people who want to vote.
Again, sound and fury, signifying nothing. And most moderate voters aren't going to be persuaded that voter ID laws are a huge injustice, so I think it is probably a winner for the GOP, which is a real shame.
It ain't about "massive numbers" and "landslides". It's about small, incremental changes in swing states.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:39:47am |
re: #428 funky chicken
I've had a long dispute with Obdi and others (to which 000G linked) where I argued for the IDs. I basically had to concede my case at the end.
However, this issue - "How do these massive numbers of people get through daily lives with zero picture ID?" - still leaves me puzzled. How can one live without an ID? How does one interact with the state and other people (contracts, etc.) without one?
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:40:25am |
re: #428 funky chicken
I've had health issues lately, and every doctor's office has required picture ID and insurance card before they will even hand me the forms to fill out. My husband's military, and we've moved a lot, which has required me to enroll my kids in several states' public schools. All have required much more documentation than a single picture ID. Before I signed my last lease I had to produce 2 forms of picture ID. etc, etc. And don't even talk about trying to get credit, whether it's at a car dealership or at Best Buy or Rent-A-Center. All require some kind of official picture ID.
How do these massive numbers of people get through daily lives with zero picture ID?
I just don't think an ID requirement is going to lead to GOP landslides or any discernible hardship for people who want to vote.
Again, sound and fury, signifying nothing. And most moderate voters aren't going to be persuaded that voter ID laws are a huge injustice, so I think it is probably a winner for the GOP, which is a real shame.
My grandmother owned her own home and didn't need credit. In fact, when AT&T overcharged her and sent a collection agency after her, I told them to stuff it...she didn't particularly care if her credit score was messed up. As for doctors' office visits, they took her old invalid ID. Some gave me a hassle about it, but I forced the issue and they finally dealt with the invalid ID. In short, it's plenty easy for the elderly to get away without valid photo ID.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:42:40am |
re: #428 funky chicken
I've had health issues lately, and every doctor's office has required picture ID and insurance card before they will even hand me the forms to fill out. My husband's military, and we've moved a lot, which has required me to enroll my kids in several states' public schools. All have required much more documentation than a single picture ID. Before I signed my last lease I had to produce 2 forms of picture ID. etc, etc. And don't even talk about trying to get credit, whether it's at a car dealership or at Best Buy or Rent-A-Center. All require some kind of official picture ID.
How do these massive numbers of people get through daily lives with zero picture ID?
Poor people don't move from one city to another, they don't sign leases on nice apartments, they don't rent cars, they just don't *do* the things that normal middle-class folk have to show ID for.
And since voting is a constitutional right, that's supposed to mean it's for ALL citizens, not just the 90% who have the wherewithall to jump through a few hoops. It's supposed to be easy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:45:05am |
re: #433 sagehen
Must be a stupid question, but still.
A poor person can also own property. Suppose he owns a shack. How can he prove the he owns it, if asked? If he has no ID, how can he prove he is who he says he is, namely, the owner?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:45:21am |
re: #431 Sergey Romanov
I've had a long dispute with Obdi and others (to which 000G linked) where I argued for the IDs. I basically had to concede my case at the end.
However, this issue - "How do these massive numbers of people get through daily lives with zero picture ID?" - still leaves me puzzled. How can one live without an ID? How does one interact with the state and other people (contracts, etc.) without one?
Single-purpose ID.
Example: Students use university ID for university business and minor issues. In some of the voter-suppression laws state-issued student ID is specifically not accepted. The target populations have less kosher ID than the mainstream. (My Medicare card has no photo, and no doctor has ever asked for one.)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:46:40am |
re: #435 Decatur Deb
How does a student get the uni ID without some sort of a prior ID?
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:47:57am |
re: #433 sagehen
My doctors all take Medicaid, and those patients have to show a Medicaid card and a picture ID to get in. Military health insurance doesn't send me to high-end doctors.
To get into Section 8 housing, people have to show picture ID.
To get welfare benefits, people have to have ID.
I actually couldn't get a library card last year without showing 2 forms of picture ID.
etc, etc
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:49:30am |
re: #436 Sergey Romanov
How does a student get the uni ID without some sort of a prior ID?
Might be hard for you to understand how "papers-free" my generation of Americans are. It was part of our exceptionalism before 9/11.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:49:44am |
re: #436 Sergey Romanov
How does a student get the uni ID without some sort of a prior ID?
I don't recall ever having to show ID to register for college. I just showed up at the student union building and got my picture taken for the ID and received one.
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garhighway Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:50:37am |
re: #437 funky chicken
My doctors all take Medicaid, and those patients have to show a Medicaid card and a picture ID to get in. Military health insurance doesn't send me to high-end doctors.
To get into Section 8 housing, people have to show picture ID.
To get welfare benefits, people have to have ID.
I actually couldn't get a library card last year without showing 2 forms of picture ID.
etc, etc
Is it possible that your life experience is not universally shared? That other people, leading other lives outside your vision, might have different experiences?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:50:39am |
re: #439 Sionainn
I don't recall ever having to show ID to register for college. I just showed up at the student union building and got my picture taken for the ID and received one.
So the college doesn't care about you real name, DoB, citizenship?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:51:16am |
re: #438 Decatur Deb
Might be hard for you to understand how "papers-free" my generation of Americans are. It was part of our exceptionalism before 9/11.
That's part of the mystery that lets about 11-12 million undocumented workers function in America. It's pretty easy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:51:42am |
re: #438 Decatur Deb
Well, what I don't get is how does one get their identity established. What stops one from assuming any identity?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:52:20am |
re: #441 Sergey Romanov
So the college doesn't care about you real name, DoB, citizenship?
Pretty much only the signature on the tuition check.
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garhighway Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:52:29am |
re: #434 Sergey Romanov
Must be a stupid question, but still.
A poor person can also own property. Suppose he owns a shack. How can he prove the he owns it, if asked? If he has no ID, how can he prove he is who he says he is, namely, the owner?
Utility bill. Paycheck stub.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:53:41am |
re: #443 Sergey Romanov
Well, what I don't get is how does one get their identity established. What stops one from assuming any identity?
Nothing. We are a nation of sock puppets, and mostly like it that way.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:53:46am |
re: #444 Decatur Deb
Pretty much only the signature on the tuition check.
OK, now I get why it's not accepted elsewhere.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:54:16am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:55:08am |
re: #446 Decatur Deb
Nothing. We are a nation of sock puppets, and mostly like it that way.
Well, as you pointed out above, that explains your illegal immigration problem, among other things.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:55:47am |
re: #441 Sergey Romanov
So the college doesn't care about you real name, DoB, citizenship?
As I recall, to register, I had to give them my social security number and had copies of my high school transcripts sent to them. No photo ID required.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:56:48am |
re: #450 Sionainn
As I recall, to register, I had to give them my social security number and had copies of my high school transcripts send to them. No photo ID required.
Who would want to earn a college degree for someone else?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:57:36am |
re: #451 Decatur Deb
Who would want to earn a college degree for someone else?
Heh. Depends on the country. Here, you could get paid to do it.
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garhighway Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:57:50am |
re: #448 Sergey Romanov
How does that establish ownership?
It establishes that you are who you say you are and that you are connected to that location, since your name and address apprear on them.
As for property ownership, down at the county courthouse is a deed that has been recorded tranwsferring ownership of the property from its prior owner to you. It is a public record, accessable to all.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:58:07am |
re: #436 Sergey Romanov
How does a student get the uni ID without some sort of a prior ID?
You bring your acceptance letter when you show up for registration, they take your picture and make an ID card on the spot.
I've only had to show my birth certificate twice in my life -- when I got my first drivers license at age 16 (since then, they just use the expiring one as sufficient proof that I'm entitled to a new one), and I enclosed a copy when I mailed in my passport application.
At this stage of my life, I have no clue where my birth certificate has gotten to. It would require many, many hoops to get a new one (certified letters and notarized declarations plus several months of waiting, or else a physical trip thousands of miles to spend a day wading through the county recorder's office). My passport has expired, I don't expect to need one again so I haven't bothered to get a new one. My drivers' license has expired, because I'm now living in a place where I don't drive. I get to my bank account through the ATM, I don't have to show anything to anyone and my bank card has no picture. When I spend money on my bank card, I enter a number into the gadget and no clerk has ever asked for any further proof that it's mine. My bills are paid either on-line, or through the mail.
I really do get by just fine with no official, legal ID. If they changed the voter rules here, it would take me a whole day of effort, weeks in advance, to be able to scrounge up something. And a lot of my neighbors, the ones who need a walker to get to the grocery store, couldn't do it at all.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:58:36am |
re: #449 Sergey Romanov
Well, as you pointed out above, that explains your illegal immigration problem, among other things.
Do we have an illegal immigration problem? Alabama tomato growers, chicken processors and roofing contractors don't think so.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:58:51am |
re: #453 garhighway
It establishes that you are who you say you are and that you are connected to that location, since your name and address apprear on them.
As for property ownership, down at the county courthouse is a deed that has been recorded tranwsferring ownership of the property from its prior owner to you. It is a public record, accessable to all.
But what does it mean, "to you"? To a name? To a SS no.?
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garhighway Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:59:24am |
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sagehen Sat, Dec 3, 2011 9:59:37am |
re: #443 Sergey Romanov
Well, what I don't get is how does one get their identity established. What stops one from assuming any identity?
In the 20th century... nothing at all.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:02:41am |
re: #456 Sergey Romanov
But what does it mean, "to you"? To a name? To a SS no.?
The original paperwork requires a valid ID because the paperwork is notarized when it is signed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:02:48am |
re: #457 garhighway
A name.
Back to square one. A deed is between John Johnson and someone. Another John Johnson appears and claims it was done to his name (let's suppose he has somehow looked up the signature and can repeat it). What checks are in place to ensure that the second guy cannot claim ownership?
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:03:25am |
re: #459 Sionainn
The original paperwork requires a valid ID because the paperwork is notarized when it is signed.
Now that I think about it, my grandmother needed something notarized and she didn't have a valid photo ID. I argued with the notary until she finally allowed my grandmother to use her old expired driver's license.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:03:26am |
re: #459 Sionainn
The original paperwork requires a valid ID because the paperwork is notarized when it is signed.
In my example the poor person has no ID.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:04:49am |
re: #462 Sergey Romanov
In my example the poor person has no ID.
I think I'm confused then. The poor person likely doesn't own property.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:05:00am |
re: #460 Sergey Romanov
Back to square one. A deed is between John Johnson and someone. Another John Johnson appears and claims it was done to his name (let's suppose he has somehow looked up the signature and can repeat it). What checks are in place to ensure that the second guy cannot claim ownership?
You would go to court and produce enough documents and witnesses to sort it out. Then someone goes to jail. It hasn't been a big problem
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:05:24am |
re: #463 Sionainn
I think I'm confused then. The poor person likely doesn't own property.
My example is when one does.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:09:51am |
re: #464 Decatur Deb
But what documents? What is there in the documents to tie this particular physical JJ to them, if they're just in name and nothing else? Mere possession of the said documents doesn't guarantee they weren't stolen, found, etc. Witnesses are good but not always available or willing.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:10:27am |
re: #465 Sergey Romanov
My example is when one does.
Like I said, the paperwork would require an ID for all the signing that goes on when one purchases property.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:11:19am |
re: #467 Sionainn
Like I said, the paperwork would require an ID for all the signing that goes on when one purchases property.
Suppose it was inherited or donated.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:11:49am |
re: #465 Sergey Romanov
My example is when one does.
For sticky situations, when the courts/police would be involved, a fairly large portion of the population has been fingerprinted. It's only in the last decade or so that the various Fed and local fingerprint collections have been automated and consolidated--still not finished.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:12:00am |
Is he still talking or what?
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:12:10am |
re: #466 Sergey Romanov
This is a problem that exists with the world, though. It's not one that gets magically solved through picture IDs.
I'm not sure why this fascinates you so much. Identity is proven in a gallumfery of ways in different circumstances. So what?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:14:42am |
re: #471 Obdicut
This is a problem that exists with the world, though. It's not one that gets magically solved through picture IDs.
It does to a larger degree with IDs than without them.
I'm not sure why this fascinates you so much.
Because prima facie it doesn't make much sense to me when compared to centralized IDs.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:14:52am |
re: #466 Sergey Romanov
But what documents? What is there in the documents to tie this particular physical JJ to them, if they're just in name and nothing else? Mere possession of the said documents doesn't guarantee they weren't stolen, found, etc. Witnesses are good but not always available or willing.
See 469. It would fall to the judge, and I can't remember a case that went wonky. Most of our identity theft is related to online crime and credit cards. It can take years for the victim to sort that out.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:16:28am |
re: #468 Sergey Romanov
Suppose it was inherited or donated.
I just looked up the requirements in my state. For transfers of property, notarized signatures are required. I suppose one would have to go get some ID in that case.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:16:43am |
re: #472 Sergey Romanov
It does to a larger degree with IDs than without them.
Sure. So what?
Because prima facie it doesn't make much sense to me when compared to centralized IDs.
That's fine. Nobody really has a problem with centralized IDs, other than insane anti-conspiracy loons.
It has nothing, nothing at all to do with the topic of voter fraud.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:17:54am |
re: #475 Obdicut
Sure. So what?
Umm. So, that.
It has nothing, nothing at all to do with the topic of voter fraud.
Sorry, we're not talking about voter fraud.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:18:06am |
re: #471 Obdicut
This is a problem that exists with the world, though. It's not one that gets magically solved through picture IDs.
I'm not sure why this fascinates you so much. Identity is proven in a gallumfery of ways in different circumstances. So what?
For someone who lives in a different country, I'm sure that the way we do some things in the U.S. are very interesting and/or confounding.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:19:07am |
re: #476 Sergey Romanov
Sorry, we're not talking about voter fraud.
That's how the topic of IDs was raised.
I guess if this is just of academic interest to you, research would probably more useful than anecdotes from people.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:20:05am |
re: #474 Sionainn
I just looked up the requirements in my state. For transfers of property, notarized signatures are required. I suppose one would have to go get some ID in that case.
So basically, people with no IDs have no "large" property and can't easily get it as a present?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:21:09am |
re: #478 Obdicut
That's how the topic of IDs was raised.
Sure. So what?
I guess if this is just of academic interest to you, research would probably more useful than anecdotes from people.
1. That's also research.
2. I'll decide if that's more useful for me or not.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:21:50am |
re: #479 Sergey Romanov
So basically, people with no IDs have no "large" property and can't easily get it as a present?
People who've never had ID don't have property; old people whose ID has expired might have stuff, but they've also got people who've known them for decades and can attest that they are who they say they are.
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Sionainn Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:23:15am |
re: #479 Sergey Romanov
So basically, people with no IDs have no "large" property and can't easily get it as a present?
I would assume that's the case.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:24:07am |
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funky chicken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:33:01am |
re: #454 sagehen
You bring your acceptance letter when you show up for registration, they take your picture and make an ID card on the spot.
I've only had to show my birth certificate twice in my life -- when I got my first drivers license at age 16 (since then, they just use the expiring one as sufficient proof that I'm entitled to a new one), and I enclosed a copy when I mailed in my passport application.
At this stage of my life, I have no clue where my birth certificate has gotten to. It would require many, many hoops to get a new one (certified letters and notarized declarations plus several months of waiting, or else a physical trip thousands of miles to spend a day wading through the county recorder's office). My passport has expired, I don't expect to need one again so I haven't bothered to get a new one. My drivers' license has expired, because I'm now living in a place where I don't drive. I get to my bank account through the ATM, I don't have to show anything to anyone and my bank card has no picture. When I spend money on my bank card, I enter a number into the gadget and no clerk has ever asked for any further proof that it's mine. My bills are paid either on-line, or through the mail.
I really do get by just fine with no official, legal ID. If they changed the voter rules here, it would take me a whole day of effort, weeks in advance, to be able to scrounge up something. And a lot of my neighbors, the ones who need a walker to get to the grocery store, couldn't do it at all.
I just had to get a new copy of my TX birth certificate to get a different state's driver's license, and it was shockingly easy and fast. I had it in a week, and it was a simple online application.
We lost my son's NJ birth certificate also, and woe to all who lose one of those. I couldn't order it because my maiden name is different from my married name (and his last name). My husband had to do it, and had to fax copies of his military ID and legal state driver's license, and copies of the form. It's been 10 weeks, and still no BC. My son can get his permit in April, but we can't get one without his original BC, with raised seal. ! My husband's and my military IDs, state driver's licenses, passports, and my son's original social security card aren't enough-- ! It's insane.
So it is highly variable on how hard it is to get your birth certificate, based upon where you were born.
But this is the post 9/11 world we live in here in the US. So showing one form of picture ID to vote--no big deal.
You must not fly? You can't check in for a flight without picture ID any more.
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