Newt Gingrich in 2007: Urgent Action Needed to Address Climate Change

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In 2007, Newt Gingrich spoke convincingly about the need for “urgent” action to address climate change and reduce “carbon loading” of the atmosphere.

At last night’s Mike Huckabee Forum, Gingrich said that doing a public service ad on climate change with Nancy Pelosi was “one of the dumbest things I’ve ever done.”

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The evidence is sufficient that we should move towards the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading of the atmosphere. And do it urgently.

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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:24:34pm

Is he being an idiot or an opportunist on this specific topic?

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:24:58pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Yes.

3 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:27:49pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Is he being an idiot or an opportunist on this specific topic?

C. All of the above.

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:28:55pm

“Mike Huckabee forum” lol.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:28:59pm

It just astounds me that with the power of the internet we can call people on this bullshit instantaneously and yet neither they nor their followers give two shits about it.

6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:29:01pm

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If he truly believes AGW was disproved by ClimateGate, he is an idiot but not an opportunist, since he does believe in that. Otherwise he is not an idiot, but an opportunist. It can’t be both.

7 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:29:45pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If he truly believes AGW was disproved by ClimateGate, he is an idiot but not an opportunist, since he does believe in that. Otherwise he is not an idiot, but an opportunist. It can’t be both.

He’s an idiot for believing that nobody will see that he’s an opportunist.

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:35:32pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

He’s an opportunist. I think he’s telling the truth when he says it was the dumbest thing he ever did; he should have known the GOP was heading into the anti-science hinterlands, having helped to drive it there. So taking that position was dumb of him if he wanted to remain relevant in GOP politics.

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:35:37pm

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10 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:36:11pm

Opportidiot.

11 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:37:37pm

One of these statements is probably more true than the other:

(1) Newt Gingrich will say anything to get elected.
(2) Newt Gingrich will say anything.

I’m not sure which.

The amazing spiral down that the GOP has taken at the national level is quite impressive, in a bad way. It’s not just Fox’s fault, though the repositioning of what is nothing more than Hollywood-tabloid style empty talk as real news certainly contributes to it, and it’s not even the Koch brothers who are chiefly responsible for it (though they know how to manipulate the descent to their advantage.)

I lay most of the blame at the feet of those Americans who are afraid to look at the modern world face on. They are afraid of what science has discovered; they don’t want to hear about what historians and observors have recorded about the US from outside the oft repeated myths; they want to run from the velocity of change in the world at large, change that is taking the US away from its role it had in the 20th century.

There is just too much fear of taking on the future. That’s the heart of atavism - fear.

12 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:39:39pm

re: #10 jaunte

Idionist.

13 Balfour Rage  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:41:34pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Thanks for sharing.

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:43:10pm

re: #13 Kid A

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for thanking.

15 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:43:23pm

re: #8 Obdicut

He’s an opportunist. I think he’s telling the truth when he says it was the dumbest thing he ever did; he should have known the GOP was heading into the anti-science hinterlands, having helped to drive it there. So taking that position was dumb of him if he wanted to remain relevant in GOP politics.

And that’s really Gingrich in a nutshell: A man who will do/say anything to remain “relevant” in the GOP. After 10+ years since he was shitcanned for leading them to the ass-whipping that was ‘96, he’s now seen as the leading candidate for one reason: He’s not Romney. And that’s really not a campaign message that’s going to work for him come next year.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:43:31pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He’s an idiot for believing that nobody will see that he’s an opportunist.

Sure, but I asked about a specific issue.

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:44:47pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Gosh. We think about how fast a year goes by…

The Tsunami in Japan was this year? Seems like two or three years ago.

18 Balfour Rage  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:45:18pm

It’s only a matter of time before Newt loses his temper and drops an n-bomb on Obama.

19 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:45:48pm

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

Sure, but I asked about a specific issue.

Like I said, he’s an idiot if he believes nobody’s going to call him on being an opportunist, championing an issue and then just as quickly denying it when the political wind changed.

20 Ming  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:46:05pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

It just astounds me that with the power of the internet we can call people on this bullshit instantaneously and yet neither they nor their followers give two shits about it.

Good point. I think one reason is that Obama has been so professionally demonized as an evil hater of America, that to many people, the flip-flops of Gingrich and Romney seem relatively unimportant. Millions of voters, alas, are looking for a warrior against Satan. All they want to know is: can he or she beat Obama in 2012?

21 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:46:36pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh. We think about how fast a year goes by…

The Tsunami in Japan was this year? Seems like two or three years ago.

The tsunami was truly a surreal event.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:48:58pm

re: #18 Kid A

It’s only a matter of time before Newt loses his temper and drops an n-bomb on Obama.

You’re thinking he’s a racist? What led you to that conclusion?

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:51:05pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

The tsunami was truly a surreal event.

Who’d have thought so many folks would have cameras in Japan?

There were so many images…

What I remember the most? All of the pictures of dogs and the owners. The Japanese people certainly love their pets.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:53:43pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Pretty US-/West-centric.

25 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:55:14pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You’re thinking he’s a racist? What led you to that conclusion?

“What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich asks. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”

Gingrich seems not to realize that the United States was founded by anti-colonialists, and brings the President’s heritage into the argument for good measure. Face it, the guy is typical racist doughy trash.

26 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:56:12pm

re: #18 Kid A

It’s only a matter of time before Newt loses his temper and drops an n-bomb on Obama.

I don’t think he’d do that.

I do think that if he gets the nomination, he’ll be his usual condescending, ‘smarter-than-everybody’ self in the debates - at which point Obama will promptly take his faux-intellectual ass to school.

That would be a wonderful thing to see, but I still don’t think Newt will be the nominee. I think whoever was responsible or taking Cain down (probably the Romney camp) will do basically the same thing to Newt.

The media is talking up Newt’s inevitability at this point, but there are so man skeletons in his closet he can barely get the door closed. He won’t last through the primaries IMO.

27 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:57:33pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

Gingrich: “In the Alinksy tradition, he was being the person he needed to be in order to achieve the position he needed to achieve … He was authentically dishonest.”

Given the thread topic, that’s hilarious.

28 palomino  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:59:13pm

re: #26 makeitstop

I don’t think he’d do that.

I do think that if he gets the nomination, he’ll be his usual condescending, ‘smarter-than-everybody’ self in the debates - at which point Obama will promptly take his faux-intellectual ass to school.

That would be a wonderful thing to see, but I still don’t think Newt will be the nominee. I think whoever was responsible or taking Cain down (probably the Romney camp) will do basically the same thing to Newt.

The media is talking up Newt’s inevitability at this point, but there are so man skeletons in his closet he can barely get the door closed. He won’t last through the primaries IMO.

I hope you’re right, but the gop primary voters already know about all these skeletons since Newt’s had such a long career of personal fuck ups. They’re essentially down to Romney and Gingrich. Gingrich is up now because they think he’s the real conservative and because electability is less important to a group that thinks Obama has no chance at re-election, so they can run anyone and win, or so they think.

29 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:00:07pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Thanks for thanking.

me too…I like that stuff

30 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:00:15pm

re: #27 jaunte

Given the thread topic, that’s hilarious.

If there’s one thing conservatives tend to do really well it’s projecting their own flaws onto any opposition. Rove raised this tactic to an art form.

31 Amory Blaine  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:00:37pm

Gingrich and his gymnast level flexibility of stated positions knows no limits.

32 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:02:33pm

Gingrich is just an as big opportunist and flop artist as Romney. Heck he says he only regrets the Pelosi ad because Pelosi became public enemy number one in right wing circles.

33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:04:21pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

I disagree that it is racist. Because you don’t like a Kenyan worldview, it doesn’t make you a racist. I read nothing about skin color in that article.

Perhaps I’m not “racist hunting” hard enough.

It’s interesting how we can read whatever we want out of whatever we read.

34 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:05:14pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

The 45 Most Powerful Images Of 2011

Wow. Bringing forth both the feeling of pride and shame.

Photos are the most powerful.

35 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:05:24pm

All I know is that Nominee Gingrich (should it get to that point) had better come with more than Saul friggin’ Alinsky against Obama

Most American neither know nor care who Alinsky is. Hannity ans will know the name, but non-Fox News watchers will react to the name with a resounding chorus of “Who??”

36 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:06:03pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

“What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich asks. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”

Gingrich seems not to realize that the United States was founded by anti-colonialists, and brings the President’s heritage into the argument for good measure. Face it, the guy is typical racist doughy trash.

I’m going to ask the same thing I asked when he, D’Souza, and others said it. What’s wrong with being anti-colonial? Our country was founded on a revolution against the biggest colonial power the world has ever known.

37 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:06:09pm

I don’t think that Gingrich is really racist, except so far as he finds it a useful tool.

He’s the ultimate expression of the ‘words have power’ school of politics combined with a belief that him (and his compatriots) winning is just so damn important that any means justify that end.

Again, the guy basically wrote the book on political smears.

38 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:07:35pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

this is terrible, but the president is sitting in the perfect place in this pic to get pepper spray memed.

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-5050-1322853404-13.jpg

39 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:08:45pm

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree that it is racist. Because you don’t like a Kenyan worldview, it doesn’t make you a racist. I read nothing about skin color in that article.

Perhaps I’m not “racist hunting” hard enough.

It’s interesting how we can read whatever we want out of whatever we read.

Yes, very interesting. It’s seems incredibly credulous of you to believe that Gingrich honestly sees or could possibly identify anything remotely “Kenyan” about Obama’s policies. Unless of course you want to educate us by identifying these obviously Kenyan traits?

40 Lidane  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:08:51pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Is he being an idiot or an opportunist on this specific topic?

Both, as usual.

41 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:09:13pm

re: #26 makeitstop

I don’t think he’d do that.

I do think that if he gets the nomination, he’ll be his usual condescending, ‘smarter-than-everybody’ self in the debates - at which point Obama will promptly take his faux-intellectual ass to school.

That would be a wonderful thing to see, but I still don’t think Newt will be the nominee. I think whoever was responsible or taking Cain down (probably the Romney camp) will do basically the same thing to Newt.

The media is talking up Newt’s inevitability at this point, but there are so man skeletons in his closet he can barely get the door closed. He won’t last through the primaries IMO.

The fact that the millions from Freddie doesn’t even register states, AGAIN, the hypocrisy. keep your government hands off my medicare!

42 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:09:57pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Gingrich is just an as big opportunist and flop artist as Romney. Heck he says he only regrets the Pelosi ad because Pelosi became public enemy number one in right wing circles.

Ayep, that’s something that’s just hanging out there, ripe for the picking. What we have are two political opportunists running for the ticket, with the only difference between them is one’s a serial philanderer and the others a dedicated family man who just happens to be a Mormon.

43 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:10:28pm

also from those pics, fuck police in paramilitary gear dealing with unarmed protesters. What the hell is wrong with us that that’s considered okay?

44 recusancy  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:10:32pm

re: #37 windsagio

I don’t think that Gingrich is really racist, except so far as he finds it a useful tool.

He’s the ultimate expression of the ‘words have power’ school of politics combined with a belief that him (and his compatriots) winning is just so damn important that any means justify that end.

Again, the guy basically wrote the book on political smears.

Yup. He and Romney are just Following in the footsteps of George Wallace.

45 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:12:33pm

racism is the new herpes….everybody has it

46 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:13:34pm

re: #44 recusancy

Yup. He and Romney are just Following in the footsteps of George Wallace.

I think a lot of people don’t know that about Wallace. Fabulus the governor who did the same thing as Wallace in Arkansas was similar. And there were a lot of others who admitted either after Civil Rights legislation was passed or in their old years that they race baited because it worked. And frankly I think that’s even worse than being a sincere racist. I’ve read about authorities in the Russian empire who condoned Anti-Semitism for the exact same reasons because it helped their career advancement. Sickening.

47 Lidane  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:13:41pm

re: #28 palomino

Gingrich is up now because they think he’s the real conservative and because electability is less important to a group that thinks Obama has no chance at re-election, so they can run anyone and win, or so they think.

If they truly believe that, they’re in for a rude awakening in November 2012.

They’re underestimating an incumbent President. That’s never a smart move.

48 palomino  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:13:46pm

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree that it is racist. Because you don’t like a Kenyan worldview, it doesn’t make you a racist. I read nothing about skin color in that article.

Perhaps I’m not “racist hunting” hard enough.

It’s interesting how we can read whatever we want out of whatever we read.

If you’ve paid any attention to the right’s rhetoric over the last few years, you’d know that “Kenyan” is dog whistle for un-American, non birth certificate, socialist, black. It’s clearly racist and xenophobic. Why the hell would Gingrich bring up an association to a country that Obama never even lived in? Can you name any white politicians whose connections to European countries are used to smear them?

49 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:14:02pm

re: #43 windsagio

also from those pics, fuck police in paramilitary gear dealing with unarmed protesters. What the hell is wrong with us that that’s considered okay?

really…for this occasion, speedos and muscle shirts would be fine

50 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:14:32pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I’m going to ask the same thing I asked when he, D’Souza, and others said it. What’s wrong with being anti-colonial? Our country was founded on a revolution against the biggest colonial power the world has ever known.

Anti-colonial in their parlance means anti-white. It’s a dog whistle, leading the yokles the believe that the black son of a Kenyan will allow heathen Mau-Maus to rape their women during the cover of night.

51 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:14:41pm

wait, whats a “Kenyan worldview”?

52 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:14:58pm

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree that it is racist. Because you don’t like a Kenyan worldview, it doesn’t make you a racist. I read nothing about skin color in that article.

Perhaps I’m not “racist hunting” hard enough.

It’s interesting how we can read whatever we want out of whatever we read.

Maybe racist isn’t the best word but xenophobic as shit. And furthermore what’s Newt’s proof that Obama has this “Kenyan worldview”? He may not personally be a racist or a bigot but I sure as hell believe he panders it when he talks with disdain about how Obama’s upbringing was unconventional.

53 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:15:16pm

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree that it is racist. Because you don’t like a Kenyan worldview, it doesn’t make you a racist. I read nothing about skin color in that article.

Perhaps I’m not “racist hunting” hard enough.

It’s interesting how we can read whatever we want out of whatever we read.

Who in the fuck in America uses the term “Kenyan world view?”. Obama only visited the place!!!

Yes, you need to look harder, it’s code.

54 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:15:30pm

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama isn’t Kenyan.

So why is Gingrich saying he has a Kenyan worldview?

55 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:15:34pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Anti-colonial in their parlance means anti-white. It’s a dog whistle, leading the yokles the believe that the black son of a Kenyan will allow heathen Mau-Maus to rape their women during the cover of night.

Yeah I know Frank. Would love a honest answer though out of Newt or Dinesh though. They make me ill.

56 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:15:57pm

re: #49 albusteve

really…for this occasion, speedos and muscle shirts would be fine

formal attire would also be accepted.

57 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:16:55pm

re: #56 windsagio

formal attire would also be accepted.

the stirred, not shaken approach….
show some style you coppers

58 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:16:56pm

re: #56 windsagio

formal attire would also be accepted.

I think clown suits would work.
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59 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:17:07pm

re: #38 windsagio

this is terrible, but the president is sitting in the perfect place in this pic to get pepper spray memed.

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-5050-1322853404-13.jpg

No, I’m sick of seeing that fat cop.

60 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:18:09pm

re: #54 Obdicut

I don’t even know what a Kenyan worldview is supposed to be.

61 bratwurst  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:20:25pm

I don’t think there can be much question he was attempting to hit a birther note in that ridiculous “Kenyan worldview” comment…and many people agree that birtherism is little more than a racist dog whistle. What more do you need to know?

62 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:20:40pm

re: #57 albusteve

the stirred, not shaken approach…
show some style you coppers

Actually just no tinted-visor helmets would be a massive step in the right direction.

It’s just so… dystopian.

63 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:20:41pm

re: #45 albusteve

racism is the new herpes…everybody has it

Ah Steve. You don’t joke about racism or herpes. It’s 2011. How are the ‘Boys doing, I havent checked.

64 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:21:12pm

re: #61 bratwurst

I don’t think there can be much question he was attempting to hit a birther note in that ridiculous “Kenyan worldview” comment…and many people agree that birtherism is little more than a racist dog whistle. What more do you need to know?

haha the question seems to be more ‘does Newt actually believe that stuff or is he just jockeying for more votes?’

65 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:22:16pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Ah Steve. You don’t joke about racism or herpes. It’s 2011. How are the ‘Boys doing, I havent checked.

tight game against the upstart Cards, who have their defense dialed in again…those guys are not easy

66 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:22:53pm

re: #62 windsagio

Actually just no tinted-visor helmets would be a massive step in the right direction.

It’s just so… dystopian.

they should wear pink body armor don’t you think?

67 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:23:16pm

@Byron York

Washington insiders remember the slights and infighting of Gingrich’s speaker years; outsiders remember the triumphs. ow.ly/7OdGU

Gingrich has also taken flak from another former colleague, Rep. Peter King. “The problem was, over a period of time, he couldn’t stay focused,” King said of Gingrich a few days ago. “He was undisciplined. Too often, he made it about himself.”

68 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:23:37pm

re: #66 albusteve

they should wear pink body armor don’t you think?

Sure, why not? It would kind of cut down the rediculously macho mindset a bit maybe :D

69 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:24:29pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know Frank. Would love a honest answer though out of Newt or Dinesh though. They make me ill.

Dinesh doesn’t earn us typing his racist money grabbing hateful name. That he is even quoted and printed… Puke

70 bratwurst  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:24:35pm

re: #64 windsagio

haha the question seems to be more ‘does Newt actually believe that stuff or is he just jockeying for more votes?’

I personally think that Newt is not capable of actually BELIEVING anything, he is hollow inside as a cheap chocolate Easter bunny. Everything he says and does is related to graft, or political power which facilitates graft.

71 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:25:37pm

re: #60 jaunte

I don’t even know what a Kenyan worldview is supposed to be.

Beautiful wild animals. yeah.

72 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:26:05pm

re: #70 bratwurst

I personally think that Newt is not capable of actually BELIEVING anything, he is hollow inside as a cheap chocolate Easter bunny. Everything he says and does is related to graft, or political power which facilitates graft.

you know I like that, except for one thing. I think its rather self-aggrandizment. He think’s he’s the elite technocratic savior of us all, but everyone else is too stupid to know it, so he’ll do what he has to to save the US from itself.

73 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:27:27pm

I just got the best bug in Skyrim: Permanent slow motion. I’m running around like the Flash now.

74 bratwurst  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:27:51pm

re: #72 windsagio

you know I like that, except for one thing. I think its rather self-aggrandizment. He think’s he’s the elite technocratic savior of us all, but everyone else is too stupid to know it, so he’ll do what he has to to save the US from itself.

I don’t think that his friends and supporters would even bother to deny that self-aggrandizement is a big piece of the Newt puzzle.

75 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:28:06pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Dinesh doesn’t earn us typing his racist money grabbing hateful name. That he is even quoted and printed… Puke

Ha sorry. Could say the same about many of these guys though.

76 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:28:13pm

re: #65 albusteve

tight game against the upstart Cards, who have their defense dialed in again…those guys are not easy

My dude, Brandon Siler was traded from the chargers to the cards. We thought it was a bad thing (he’s out w/Achilles) but he’s in a great place - Chargers implode!

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:28:22pm

re: #73 Obdicut

I just got the best bug in Skyrim: Permanent slow motion. I’m running around like the Flash now.

Besy for the first 5 minutes, you mean?

78 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:29:34pm

re: #67 jaunte

@Byron York

I remember Newt’s time as speaker quite well actually. My mother worked at USGS at the time. She’s not a political person but she despised Newt for the shutdown.

79 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:30:08pm

re: #77 Sergey Romanov

Besy for the first 5 minutes, you mean?

Yeah, I’ll reload soon. I’m busy beating the crap out of those giants that always launched me into orbit before though

80 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:30:15pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Ha sorry. Could say the same about many of these guys though.

I’m with ya

81 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:30:49pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

My dude, Brandon Siler was traded from the chargers to the cards. We thought it was a bad thing (he’s out w/Achilles) but he’s in a great place - Chargers implode!

SD is a mystery…but I’ve seen many good teams implode, mostly the Cowboys….it’s the NFL, don’t gamble on it

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:31:12pm

re: #79 Obdicut

Yeah, I’ll reload soon. I’m busy beating the crap out of those giants that always launched me into orbit before though

I would usually get on top of some rocks and they would have a problem getting up too, for some reason. Then I would *zzzzap*.

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:31:41pm

re: #79 Obdicut

Yeah, I’ll reload soon. I’m busy beating the crap out of those giants that always launched me into orbit before though

That’s alright. The first time I killed a giant, it was because he bugged out and froze in place.

84 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:33:48pm

Who replaces(not hires) Norv next year? You hear people say Cowher but Cowher is tight with Marty Schottenheimer so I dunno. Lots of vacancies this year though.

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:33:55pm

re: #79 Obdicut

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The easiest way tho is to become a werewolf. But only if there are no mammoths around.

86 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:37:07pm

re: #81 albusteve

SD is a mystery…but I’ve seen many good teams implode, mostly the Cowboys…it’s the NFL, don’t gamble on it

Norv I think is out. Cannot STAND Phillip Rivers.

87 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:37:43pm

i have a lot of trouble believing in the reality of the newt surge, since even the freepers seem to find him distasteful. this is markedly different than their attitude toward cain, who they seemed really enthusiastic about until his libido got in the way

88 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:39:55pm

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The easiest way tho is to become a werewolf. But only if there are no mammoths around.

Lol, I am such a gamer know nothing, but between you peeps talking about Skyrim and that bad asses commercial on tv. Obviously good.

89 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:40:52pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Norv I think is out. Cannot STAND Phillip Rivers.

Norv’s gotta be out. Two underachieving seasons in a row and this is the team that fired a coach who went 14-2. I think the Chargers go with a veteran coach like they did when they hired Norv and before that Marty. Not sure who the hot coordinators are that teams want since my team’s DC is already a Hall of Famer. Agree about Rivers. Never have seen him as the great QB he’s made out to be. Big underachiever.

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:41:14pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

How can this be bad, I mean, really?

Youtube Video

91 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:42:02pm

re: #87 engineer dog

i have a lot of trouble believing in the reality of the newt surge, since even the freepers seem to find him distasteful. this is markedly different than their attitude toward cain, who they seemed really enthusiastic about until his libido got in the way

Newt’s ‘surge’ is a media creation if you ask me. When Cain’s woman problems were first getting traction, quite a few reporters speculated that it would cause primary voters to take another look at Newt. The worse Cain’s situation got, the more the media talked about Gingrich.

And lo and behold - Cain’s problems force him out of the race and Newt is suddenly polling a lot better. Why?

Because the media pointed primary voters in that direction, and they were dumb enough to go along with the suggestion.

92 Lidane  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:42:05pm

re: #87 engineer dog

i have a lot of trouble believing in the reality of the newt surge, since even the freepers seem to find him distasteful.

It just shows you how much the GOP base hates Romney.

The idea that Newt is relevant in 2011 is more a statement about how pathetic the slate of candidates the GOP is running, and just how weak Mitt is overall.

93 JeffM70  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:42:53pm

Newt knows climate scientists choose not to spend their ill-gotten millions on politicians, whereas the Koch Brothers and friends do.

94 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:43:34pm

If Romney were stronger, I think he’d be close to close to closing the deal. I don’t know who will be the nominee but I think Mitt’s potential as a general election candidate has long been overrated.

95 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:44:34pm

re: #92 Lidane

It just shows you how much the GOP base hates Romney.

The idea that Newt is relevant in 2011 is more a statement about how pathetic the slate of candidates the GOP is running, and just how weak Mitt is overall.

The reality of this election is two-fold. One, the guy best positioned to win against Obama is the guy the Tea Party base hates with a fiery passion. And two, the field is absolutely piss-poor because none of the truly viable candidates want to be “The guy who lost to Obama” by bending over to please the Tea Partiers. They’re gambling on the TPers taking it up the strap next November, such that come ‘16, their control of the base is broken or at least much reduced.

96 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:44:41pm

re: #87 engineer dog

i have a lot of trouble believing in the reality of the newt surge, since even the freepers seem to find him distasteful. this is markedly different than their attitude toward cain, who they seemed really enthusiastic about until his libido got in the way

Yeah, but even previously staunch pro-Romney people like D_F have been praising Newt recently. I think a lot of it has to do with gamesmanship, coalescing around a candidate they think will debate well against Obama. Gingrich has the right combination of name recognition, gravitas (everyone has to address him as Mr. Speaker) and combative pig headed dickishness that conservatives tend to admire.

97 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:45:41pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

D_F is hardly a representative of any real political position though, he’s the very essence of “You did what they toldja”.

98 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:46:01pm

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The easiest way tho is to become a werewolf. But only if there are no mammoths around.

According to Russia and Japan, Mammoths will be back soon enough.

Sorry to post-and-run, but BBL.

99 blueraven  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:46:31pm

re: #67 jaunte

@Byron York

And this makes Newt a dangerous prospect for the Presidency. We cant afford someone who acts out of petty personal crusades.

One thing I really admire about Obama, is the way he dealt with the birther crap. He never let em see him sweat. He pretty much ignored it and finally stated his “bemusement” over the whole thing.

Then he really let Trump have it, at a lighthearted comedy night dinner!

He has also pretty much ignored all the stupid personal attacks that he is somehow un-American.

100 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:47:12pm

re: #97 windsagio

D_F is hardly a representative of any real political position though, he’s the very essence of “You did what they toldja”.

That goes back to my ‘media creation’ theory - the media tells conservatives that Gingrich is about to surge, and conservatives want so badly to be on the winning side they just go ‘okay, Gingrich, then.’

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:47:22pm

re: #48 palomino

Can you name any white politicians whose connections to European countries are used to smear them?

The Pope?

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:48:19pm

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Pope?

No.

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:48:28pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, but even previously staunch pro-Romney people like D_F have been praising Newt recently. I think a lot of it has to do with gamesmanship, coalescing around a candidate they think will debate well against Obama. Gingrich has the right combination of name recognition, gravitas (everyone has to address him as Mr. Speaker) and combative pig headed dickishness that conservatives tend to admire.

It ain’t only that, Frank. Romney dodges and weaves too much. He seems to be allergic to taking a stand on an issue and then taking some heat for it. Gingrich impressed me more than a little by holding firm after getting attacked on immigration.

104 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:48:28pm

re: #91 makeitstop

Newt’s ‘surge’ is a media creation if you ask me. When Cain’s woman problems were first getting traction, quite a few reporters speculated that it would cause primary voters to take another look at Newt. The worse Cain’s situation got, the more the media talked about Gingrich.

And lo and behold - Cain’s problems force him out of the race and Newt is suddenly polling a lot better. Why?

Because the media pointed primary voters in that direction, and they were dumb enough to go along with the suggestion.

i did find it pretty peculiar that a number of talking heads were confidently predicting the newt surge for two or three weeks before there was any other indication of it. wtf??

mebbe something was happening there behind the scenes…

105 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:48:38pm

It will be interesting to see what happens. I think either Mitt wins but emerges weakened kind of like McCain and needs a Palin like hail Mary to get the base close to him or they nominate someone like Newt. I am still not convinced Romney is a good general election candidate honestly. Seems like the type of guy who would be at his best in the 20’s or 90’s since he can’t really empathize with the struggles of everyday Americans and the electorate wants to believe their president understands that.

106 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:50:34pm

re: #99 blueraven

And this makes Newt a dangerous prospect for the Presidency. We cant afford someone who acts out of petty personal crusades.

One thing I really admire about Obama, is the way he dealt with the birther crap. He never let em see him sweat. He pretty much ignored it and finally stated his “bemusement” over the whole thing.

Then he really let Trump have it, at a lighthearted comedy night dinner!

He has also pretty much ignored all the stupid personal attacks that he is somehow un-American.

Indeed, other presidents who have been attacked less nastily have gotten pissed and it would be hard to blame them but not this president

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:52:05pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

No.

You don’t remember all the “Hitler Youth” stuff that went around for a while?

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:53:44pm

re: #99 blueraven

He has also pretty much ignored all the stupid personal attacks that he is somehow un-American.

My favoritest thing about President Obama. He’ll allow people to look as stupid as they want to.

109 blueraven  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:54:01pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Indeed, other presidents who have been attacked less nastily have gotten pissed and it would be hard to blame them but not this president

Nixon comes to mind.

110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:54:08pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You don’t remember all the “Hitler Youth” stuff that went around for a while?

Yes. That’s a figure being smeared for a connection to a Nazi organization.

111 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:54:10pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

It ain’t only that, Frank. Romney dodges and weaves too much. He seems to be allergic to taking a stand on an issue and then taking some heat for it. Gingrich impressed me more than a little by holding firm after getting attacked on immigration.

Hey, I feel for you, and have been saying for a long time that Romney’s main flaw is that he’s too mercurial, opportunistic. The thing is, Gingrich doesn’t strike me as all that different in this regard.

I’m also waiting for a response as to how you feel about Gingrich’s raw assertion that Congress can simply pass laws containing language that makes said laws exempt from judicial review? From where I sit that would be a deal breaker no matter how many other positions I agreed with a candidate on.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:54:15pm

BBL for real, but GDF should feel free to ask me about my post #103 when I return.

113 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:54:51pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Hey, I feel for you, and have been saying for a long time that Romney’s main flaw is that he’s too mercurial, opportunistic. Then thing is, Gingrich doesn’t strike me as all that different in this regard.

I’m also waiting for a response as to how you feel about Gingrich’s raw assertion that Congress can simply pass laws containing language that makes said laws exempt from judicial review? From where I sit that would be a deal breaker no matter how many other positions I agreed with a candidate on.

Please ask again when I get back. I’ve got to go but will be back later.

114 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:57:51pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Yes. That’s a figure being smeared for a connection to a Nazi organization.

Yeah not for his nationality and while from what I understand, Ratzinger was not an active Nazi. It’s different than the outright smearing Obama’s gotten for having a Kenyan father and having a fairly unique upbringing.

115 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:59:19pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

It will be interesting to see what happens. I think either Mitt wins but emerges weakened kind of like McCain and needs a Palin like hail Mary to get the base close to him or they nominate someone like Newt. I am still not convinced Romney is a good general election candidate honestly. Seems like the type of guy who would be at his best in the 20’s or 90’s since he can’t really empathize with the struggles of everyday Americans and the electorate wants to believe their president understands that.

I think if Romney does win, he will be in the same position Kerry was in ‘04: Leading the ticket only because he’s the least objectionable candidate put up by the party. He’ll then be saddled with a “reliably conservative” VP by the party establishment, though they’ll likely try to avoid repeating the Palin mistake. And in the general, he’ll look great on stage, but keep getting his ass paddled with his own flip-flops, before leading the party to a piss-poor performance on Election Day.

116 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:59:40pm

re: #109 blueraven

Nixon comes to mind.

Yep, others too. This guy has had not just his own love of country attacked but his wife’s and his mother’s. Forget what that racist fucker Buchanan said about her but it was nasty.

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:59:49pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Yeah not for his nationality and while from what I understand, Ratzinger was not an active Nazi. It’s different than the outright smearing Obama’s gotten for having a Kenyan father and having a fairly unique upbringing.

That’s why “smeared”. I agree this should not be brought up in relation to the Pope.

118 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:01:13pm

re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think if Romney does win, he will be in the same position Kerry was in ‘04: Leading the ticket only because he’s the least objectionable candidate put up by the party. He’ll then be saddled with a “reliably conservative” VP by the party establishment, though they’ll likely try to avoid repeating the Palin mistake. And in the general, he’ll look great on stage, but keep getting his ass paddled with his own flip-flops, before leading the party to a piss-poor performance on Election Day.

Yeah I agree with the Kerry 04 comp more than Romney 08. Hardly any Democrats were really enthused by Kerry. They were more like well he’s not Bush. Well Anyone But Bush was a failure just like I predict anyone but Obama will be because you need to give people a reason to vote for you and not just against the other guy.

119 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:02:02pm

re: #104 engineer dog

i did find it pretty peculiar that a number of talking heads were confidently predicting the newt surge for two or three weeks before there was any other indication of it. wtf??

mebbe something was happening there behind the scenes…

I think it’s an(other) indication that the media decides upon a narrative and starts repeating it, and people who are impressionable enough (glances at Fox News viewers) let themselves be led.

How else can you explain the fact that Donald Trump was seriously considered as a presidential contender for a while? Or Cain or Bachmann?

They’ll tire of Newt in a week or two. And at that point, since Santorum, Luap Nor and Huntsman have been written off pretty much permanently, the focus will turn back to Romney - just in time for the Iowa caucus and early primaries.

120 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:02:08pm

re: #117 Sergey Romanov

That’s why “smeared”. I agree this should not be brought up in relation to the Pope.

Yeah I agree. Two different scenarios. And I have little doubt that this would not be done if Obama’s father was say from England or France. It’s a dog whistle to xenophobia.

121 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:04:29pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Yeah I agree with the Kerry 04 comp more than Romney 08. Hardly any Democrats were really enthused by Kerry. They were more like well he’s not Bush. Well Anyone But Bush was a failure just like I predict anyone but Obama will be because you need to give people a reason to vote for you and not just against the other guy.

The only caveat to that is that Bush still had a decent economy to work with, and a better approval rating. IOW optimism about Obama’s chances are probably his worst enemy. It’s going to be a struggle and it’s probably going to be very close.

122 wilburs  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:04:30pm

A golden oldie

Colbert makes Dinesh look like a fool:

Colbert Nation Video

And he doesn’t even call Dinesh out on the stupidest thing he said…that Carter and Clinton are somehow responsible for not responding to the Khobar Towers massacre.

123 blueraven  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:04:58pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Yeah I agree with the Kerry 04 comp more than Romney 08. Hardly any Democrats were really enthused by Kerry. They were more like well he’s not Bush. Well Anyone But Bush was a failure just like I predict anyone but Obama will be because you need to give people a reason to vote for you and not just against the other guy.

Then there were the relentless, ugly smears on Kerry by the so called “veterans for truth”.

124 bratwurst  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:05:12pm

They will have a hard time doing WORSE than Palin as a VP for Mitt…but should he get the nomination, it is nearly inevitable that he will be paired with someone far from palatable to the slightly left of center independents he will need to win.

125 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:06:53pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

The only caveat to that is that Bush still had a decent economy to work with, and a better approval rating. IOW optimism about Obama’s chances are probably his worst enemy. It’s going to be a struggle and it’s probably going to be very close.

True. Gonna be much closer than it was in 2008 for Obama. I think it comes down to a state or two.

126 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:07:40pm

Why?

127 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:07:59pm

re: #123 blueraven

Then there were the relentless, ugly smears on Kerry by the so called “veterans for truth”.

Those were terrible. The amazing thing was many of those vets had actually previously endorsed him in his Senate races. I understand why people didn’t like Senator Kerry but the smears on his military service were a load of shit and a low point in politics.

128 Buck  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:11:21pm

Think anti-Semitism is a thing of the past? Check out #IsraelHates - it lives.

129 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:12:46pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

The only caveat to that is that Bush still had a decent economy to work with, and a better approval rating. IOW optimism about Obama’s chances are probably his worst enemy. It’s going to be a struggle and it’s probably going to be very close.

I think so too. I still think OWS, if it continues, could really hurt Obama’s support from his base. Especially if things heat up with Iran and OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement. He’s in an impossible situation with the lefty base. There’s nothing he can do to jail the bankers and solve income inequity. He’s still killing droves of terrorists with drones and it’s entirely possible he’s going to have to deal with Iran in the next year.

130 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:12:53pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

The only caveat to that is that Bush still had a decent economy to work with, and a better approval rating. IOW optimism about Obama’s chances are probably his worst enemy. It’s going to be a struggle and it’s probably going to be very close.

I think that’s in some ways counterbalanced by the Right’s belief in the simplicity of defeating Obama next year. I’ve seen more and more hypotheticals about what “President Romney” will do once he gets into office. Some seem to honestly believe that all they have to do is show up on Election Day with a candidate and Obama will fall. Every criticism of their candidates is met with “Well, yeah, but Obama…”

131 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:13:21pm

I think Stanley Kubrick liked showgirls.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:13:37pm

re: #126 ggt

Why?

If I want to count a woman’s bones? I’ll look at her x-rays.

133 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:14:54pm

re: #131 ggt

I think Stanley Kubrick liked showgirls.

Some really great pics in there. I guess I kind of forgot how old he was.

134 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:15:30pm

another Cowboy heart attack

135 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:16:43pm

re: #126 ggt

Why?

rather a bit too skinny for my tastes…

136 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:19:35pm

Days without Republican Debate: 1

137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:19:41pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Some really great pics in there. I guess I kind of forgot how old he was.

I guess this is because of the other discussion, but I did note that these girls are definitely pre-implant era.

138 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:21:10pm

re: #136 JasonA

Days without Republican Debate: 1

I truly, honestly don’t know why they scheduled so many damned debates. Did they think we were clueless as to what they stand for? Or that their candidates somehow look better with greater focus and scrutiny?

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:21:33pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Obama isn’t Kenyan.

So why is Gingrich saying he has a Kenyan worldview?

because Gingrich wants racist white people to support him

140 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:21:58pm

re: #137 EmmmieG

I guess this is because of the other discussion, but I did note that these girls are definitely pre-implant era.

Not this guy…
Image: article-0-0F07EB6400000578-768_470x423.jpg

141 wilburs  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:22:14pm

The really scary thing is that if Miss Sarah had decided to run, she would be the frontrunner at this point.

The wingnuts don’t care about electability, they want someone wrapped in the flag who will bash hippies over the head with a cross, while declaring that half the country consists of socialists and traitors.

And when he loses, the will say that he wasn’t a “real conservative”, and that’s why he lost.

142 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:22:23pm

re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I truly, honestly don’t know why they scheduled so many damned debates. Did they think we were clueless as to what they stand for? Or that their candidates somehow look better with greater focus and scrutiny?

It’s bizarre to me too. I don’t remember it being this bad in years past.

143 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:22:24pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Not this guy…
Image: article-0-0F07EB6400000578-768_470x423.jpg

I did NOT need to see that!

144 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:23:14pm

re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I truly, honestly don’t know why they scheduled so many damned debates. Did they think we were clueless as to what they stand for? Or that their candidates somehow look better with greater focus and scrutiny?

They probably thought the Tea Party would still be going on and the debates would be inspiring rallies and enthusiasm.

145 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:23:33pm

re: #143 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Same here.

146 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:25:02pm

Gingrich: I’d Do a Commercial With Al Gore

147 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:25:13pm

Maybe I should get away more often. Seems that some fun stuff went down when I went away on vacation. Cain “reassessed”, which is really “I’m toast, but like a nasty virus, I’m going to stick around and cause additional malaise”.

Trump, another wannabe politician, but who is more PT Barnum than Presidential debate moderator material, is still sticking around despite the fact he has no business anywhere near what the GOP is still calling a debate.

Gingrich is still around and benefiting from the ABR - anyone but Romney.

So, until Gingrich says/does something else really stupid, he’ll pick up where all the other pretenders left off - right before they all spectacularly flamed out.

Oh, and the vacation? A week in CA/NV seeing Death Valley, Manzanar, Mojave Natural Preserve, Red Rocks, Sequoia and Kings Canyon NP does wonders for rejuvenating the mind and spirit. Nearly 2,000 miles driven, including a 200 mile offroad expedition to Racetrack Playa in Death Valley, about 1,500 pictures (a few good ones in there), and chowed down on some good grub.

Next trip? Already thinking about that too. Something about Yosemite is screaming my name.

148 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:25:15pm

re: #143 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I did NOT need to see that!

You’re welcome.

149 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:25:37pm

re: #104 engineer dog

i did find it pretty peculiar that a number of talking heads were confidently predicting the newt surge for two or three weeks before there was any other indication of it. wtf??

mebbe something was happening there behind the scenes…

I’m behind on the tread, but had to comment.

Remember the RW frak out about journalist? L o L

150 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:26:23pm

re: #147 lawhawk

Oh, and the vacation? A week in CA/NV seeing Death Valley, Manzanar, Mojave Natural Preserve, Red Rocks, Sequoia and Kings Canyon NP does wonders for rejuvenating the mind and spirit. Nearly 2,000 miles driven, including a 200 mile offroad expedition to Racetrack Playa in Death Valley, about 1,500 pictures (a few good ones in there), and chowed down on some good grub.

Next trip? Already thinking about that too. Something about Yosemite is screaming my name.

Glad you had a nice time. Welcome back!

151 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:26:46pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Indeed, other presidents who have been attacked less nastily have gotten pissed and it would be hard to blame them but not this president

Meep meep

152 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:26:59pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I think so too. I still think OWS, if it continues, could really hurt Obama’s support from his base. Especially if things heat up with Iran and OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement. He’s in an impossible situation with the lefty base. There’s nothing he can do to jail the bankers and solve income inequity. He’s still killing droves of terrorists with drones and it’s entirely possible he’s going to have to deal with Iran in the next year.

you’re really out of touch with this base. fact is, this part of the base has been fatally pissed off at obama for some time now, and only now as the focus shifts to the gop primaries and the election are they muting their dissatisfaction. as a matter of fact, since OWS got started, these so called “firebaggers” have only seemed to get more and more reconciled to an obama who they have long derided as practically a republican

as for “OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement”, uh, i think you are, shall we say, “improvising freely” here - you need to find out more about what the people you speculate about actually think and what the actual history of things are

153 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:27:11pm

re: #131 ggt

I think Stanley Kubrick liked showgirls.

The article was British, from the spellings. That’s why they mis-identified a Horn & Hardardt’s automat as a ‘theatre”.

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:27:59pm

re: #142 JasonA

It’s bizarre to me too. I don’t remember it being this bad in years past.

it seems like more of a promotional thing? Disguised as a debate.

As in, less about picking a candidate, more about promoting all these guys and raising their media profile, everyone pulling a Sarah Palin and getting their speaking tour $$$

GRAB THAT CASH

155 blueraven  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:09pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Those were terrible. The amazing thing was many of those vets had actually previously endorsed him in his Senate races. I understand why people didn’t like Senator Kerry but the smears on his military service were a load of shit and a low point in politics.

But it was very effective as the big issues of the day were the WOT and Iraq. The Unfit for Command meme stuck.

This time it will be mostly about the economy most likely. There may be a good bit about income inequality. If Romney is the nominee, his time at Bain Capital will not bode well for him.

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:30pm

re: #142 JasonA

It’s bizarre to me too. I don’t remember it being this bad in years past.

wonder how much ad money is made off these debates by the GOP faithful

157 wilburs  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:33pm

re: #147 lawhawk

I was watching a documentary about the National Park system last night, and have been dreaming about the kind of trip you took all day.

158 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:43pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

They probably thought the Tea Party would still be going on and the debates would be inspiring rallies and enthusiasm.

That or maybe they were hoping that Romney would somehow embarrass himself in the debates. It’s the only logic that seems to make any sense at this point.

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:56pm

re: #126 ggt

Why?

Ewww! She needs hospitalization if that isn’t photoshop scrawny. Thanks, but then, I’d consider Marilyn Monroe to be on the skinny side for my tastes.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:29:51pm

re: #123 blueraven

Then there were the relentless, ugly smears on Kerry by the so called “veterans for truth”.

people are so gullible and stupid *_* You can stick “veteran” as a brand onto anything and people will just turn their brain off

branding!

161 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:29:53pm

I wonder if Palin is kicking herself for not running.

162 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:30:27pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I wonder if Palin is kicking herself for not running.

my money is still on her swooping in to save a deadlocked convention!

163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:30:32pm

re: #158 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That or maybe they were hoping that Romney would somehow embarrass himself in the debates. It’s the only logic that seems to make any sense at this point.

But at the last debate they weren’t even allowed to criticize each other. That blew my goddamn mind.

And none of the GOP voters seem to mind that these debates are just an exercise in eating cotton candy.

164 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:09pm

re: #155 blueraven

But it was very effective as the big issues of the day were the WOT and Iraq. The Unfit for Command meme stuck.

This time it will be mostly about the economy most likely. There may be a good bit about income inequality. If Romney is the nominee, his time at Bain Capital will not bode well for him.

YEah I remember. But yeah Romney’s as I said the kind of candidate who would probably do best in times of prosperity. The distant and cold businessman who reminds us “corporations are people too, my friend” ain’t going to cut it. And yeah his past history isn’t exactly pleasant.

165 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:19pm

re: #124 bratwurst

They will have a hard time doing WORSE than Palin as a VP for Mitt…but should he get the nomination, it is nearly inevitable that he will be paired with someone far from palatable to the slightly left of center independents he will need to win.

Fuck it. mitt/frank

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:38pm

re: #162 windsagio

my money is still on her swooping in to save a deadlocked convention!

fistfight at the convention!

Ron Paul beardos sitting on old lady bachmann supporters

mass hysteria

167 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:44pm

re: #163 Obdicut

It’s what WUB said I htink, the ‘debates’ are just to sell ad time.

168 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:50pm

Puff piece on Laup Nor at NPR:

npr.org

Got all the paul-bots out in force bleating about how, for a change, NPR is “good” because they aren’t showing him for the granola (fruits, nuts & flakes all in one).

169 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:59pm

re: #162 windsagio

my money is still on her swooping in to save a deadlocked convention!

Any precedent to that I wonder.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:59pm

re: #163 Obdicut

But at the last debate they weren’t even allowed to criticize each other. That blew my goddamn mind.

And none of the GOP voters seem to mind that these debates are just an exercise in eating cotton candy.

ad revenue

cotton candy still sells!

171 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:32:23pm

re: #155 blueraven

But it was very effective as the big issues of the day were the WOT and Iraq. The Unfit for Command meme stuck.

This time it will be mostly about the economy most likely. There may be a good bit about income inequality. If Romney is the nominee, his time at Bain Capital will not bode well for him.

Heard a great line earlier today from Robby Boemer, who was also running for the GOP candidacy this year on a “campaign finance reform” platform before packing it up this past week and declaring a third-party run.

I know, I didn’t mean to pick on you for it, I’m sorry. But I am passionate about this. Look, there is a difference between the one percent who rule the country and the ninety-nine who suffer their mistakes. I believe that Mitt Romney represents the one percent and I believe that Newt Gingrich is the lobbyist for the one percent.

172 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:33:03pm

re: #171 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds


BUDDY ROEMER OVERDRIVE


HAIL TO BUDDY

173 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:33:38pm

re: #156 WindUpBird

wonder how much ad money is made off these debates by the GOP faithful

Tangent: based on the ads I’m seeing the most lately, I have to ask… where the fuck are all these people buying Lexuses?!? (Lexi?)

174 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:33:50pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

fistfight at the convention!

Ron Paul beardos sitting on old lady bachmann supporters

mass hysteria

Image: 4moreyears.jpg

175 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:34:37pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Any precedent to that I wonder.

The rules certainly allow it to happen, or did anyways.

HST wrote about it in depth in his book about the ‘72 campaign.

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:35:09pm

re: #173 JasonA

Tangent: based on the ads I’m seeing the most lately, I have to ask… where the fuck are all these people buying Lexuses?!? (Lexi?)

rich republicans in the Heartland

The lexus is the car you buy when you have a ton of money and zero imagination :D

except the Sportcross IS, that thing was cool

177 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:35:38pm

re: #163 Obdicut

But at the last debate they weren’t even allowed to criticize each other. That blew my goddamn mind.

And none of the GOP voters seem to mind that these debates are just an exercise in eating cotton candy.

Debates have become an absolute joke, more for ad revenue these days than anything else. What you see on stage are not presidential candidates, they’re actors in one of the longest running and least funny comedy shows this year. I’ve compared presidential elections in past years to American Idol, but even Simon Cowell would have to can these losers after the first show.

178 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:35:45pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I think so too. I still think OWS, if it continues, could really hurt Obama’s support from his base. Especially if things heat up with Iran and OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement. He’s in an impossible situation with the lefty base. There’s nothing he can do to jail the bankers and solve income inequity. He’s still killing droves of terrorists with drones and it’s entirely possible he’s going to have to deal with Iran in the next year.

OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement

I thought OWS was anarchist, or anti semitic. Haha. Whatever you need, OWS will fit. so fucking lame.

179 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:37:11pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement

I thought OWS was anarchist, or anti semitic. Haha. Whatever you need, OWS will fit. so fucking lame.

anti-war and anarchist and communist and antisemitic are the same thing don’t you know!

Anything that gets in the orderly application of authority :p

180 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:37:32pm

re: #175 windsagio

The rules certainly allow it to happen, or did anyways.

HST wrote about it in depth in his book about the ‘72 campaign.

Oh I know it’s legal. I just mean I wonder if anyone’s swept in and done that during a deadlocked convention. I know the story about how Harding apparently got selected in 1920 was that he had apparently had few skeletons in his closet.

181 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:37:56pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement

I thought OWS was anarchist, or anti semitic. Haha. Whatever you need, OWS will fit. so fucking lame.

Is it 2004 yet?

Can we sell some ribbon car magnets and Support The TroopsTM? Can we talk about how wonderful George Bush is?

182 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:38:39pm

re: #173 JasonA

Total Lexus sales are about 20,000 for the year so far:
lexusenthusiast.com

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:38:57pm

did you hear BILL MAHER SAID SOMETHING CRAZY ABOUT 9/11


HOLY SHIT

184 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:39:14pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

Can we talk about the Threat of Radical Islam?

185 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:39:23pm

re: #184 windsagio

(tm)

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:39:44pm

re: #184 windsagio

Can we talk about the Threat of Radical Islam?

shariatude

and dhimmi borgir

creeping muslamization

187 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:39:50pm

re: #183 WindUpBird

Fuck maher, did ya hear about Rather?!?!?!

188 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:40:07pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

Is it 2004 yet?

Can we sell some ribbon car magnets and Support The TroopsTM? Can we talk about how wonderful George Bush is?

Just scratch out the q in “Iraq” and use a sharpie to put in an n. Presto, you can recycle your remaining stock!

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:40:48pm

it’s the clash of civilizations

190 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:41:15pm

greatest generation

191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:41:21pm

re: #187 windsagio

Fuck maher, did ya hear about Rather?!?!?!

FUCK

man, Dan Rather

Wouldn’t it be great if in 2012 the worst thing we had to worry about was Dan Rather

192 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:41:27pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

OWS returns to its roots as an antiwar protest movement

I thought OWS was anarchist, or anti semitic. Haha. Whatever you need, OWS will fit. so fucking lame.

Don’t forget they’re all Rapey & Stabby there…

193 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:41:35pm

re: #182 jaunte

Total Lexus sales are about 20,000 for the year so far:
[Link: lexusenthusiast.com…]

According to that it’s 20,000 for the month of November, no?

194 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:41:43pm

9_9

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:42:03pm

re: #190 windsagio

greatest generation

it’s so great for leaving us shit!

The greatest in setting up an impossible and corrupt system that is at the breaking point

So great!

196 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:42:45pm

re: #192 wlewisiii

go up and look at that ‘top 45 pictures’ that KT linked earlier… see how many are of cops beating the hell out of or pepper spraying people, and try to guess which country the identical cops in identical riot gear are from.

197 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:42:59pm

re: #193 JasonA

Oh, yeah, that’s right. Surprising that Mercedes and BMW are outselling them.

198 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:43:04pm

re: #195 WindUpBird

altho to be honest I prefer them to boomers :p

199 albusteve  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:43:17pm

slamming republicans…
ho hum

200 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:43:38pm

re: #197 jaunte

Oh, yeah, that’s right. Surprising that Mercedes and BMW are outselling them.

And now I have a better idea of why they’re saturating the airwaves with these ads. Thanks for that.

201 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:44:23pm

re: #199 albusteve

slamming republicans…
ho hum

Image: 180590-transfer-rumour-thread-2011-2012-u_mad_bro_re_picture_challenge_3-s469x428-160564-580.jpg

202 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:44:26pm

re: #174 windsagio

Image: 4moreyears.jpg

Man, Ralph Steadman was the perfect illustrator or HST’s books.

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:44:38pm

re: #196 windsagio

go up and look at that ‘top 45 pictures’ that KT linked earlier… see how many are of cops beating the hell out of or pepper spraying people, and try to guess which country the identical cops in identical riot gear are from.

Beat up some hippies

keep everyone scared

soak the working class for everything they got


repeat until riots and arson :)

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:44:48pm

re: #202 makeitstop

Man, Ralph Steadman was the perfect illustrator or HST’s books.

RS is a golden god *_*

205 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:45:17pm

re: #179 windsagio

anti-war and anarchist and communist and antisemitic are the same thing don’t you know!

Anything that gets in the orderly application of authority :p

re: #179 windsagio

anti-war and anarchist and communist and antisemitic are the same thing don’t you know!

Anything that gets in the orderly application of authority :p

Fucking a.

206 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:45:26pm

re: #173 JasonA

Tangent: based on the ads I’m seeing the most lately, I have to ask… where the fuck are all these people buying Lexuses?!? (Lexi?)

i’ve been wondering about that myself. i think a lot of ads i see on tv can only be aimed at less than the 10% of american families that can afford the items they advertise, while 9 out of ten viewers can do no more than drool at the fancy goodies paraded in front of them

but, if you are in the top 5 - 10% of income earners, there is no recession

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:45:59pm

re: #200 JasonA

And now I have a better idea of why they’re saturating the airwaves with these ads. Thanks for that.

yeah!

Just watch the debate’s ads, marvel at the richie-richitude

208 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:46:31pm

If you’ll excuse me, I need to go decide which party I’ll be backing for the leadership position in Skyrim. Both sides are making compelling arguments…

209 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:46:40pm

re: #199 albusteve

slamming republicans…
ho hum

everybody needs a hobby - that’s onna mine…

210 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:46:48pm

re: #207 WindUpBird

to be honest I think part of that is fantasy feeding… getting all those folks who will never be able to afford one of those items the dream.

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:48:07pm

re: #210 windsagio

to be honest I think part of that is fantasy feeding… getting all those folks who will never be able to afford one of those items the dream.

yep

car commercials are about sex appeal, they’re selling a dream

Thankfully my dream is currently an outdated pushrod V8 in a discontinued Australian car. Cheap and awesome!

more fun than any of the shit they’re trying to sell me on that Tv I don’t watch

212 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:48:11pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

Is it 2004 yet?

Can we sell some ribbon car magnets and Support The TroopsTM? Can we talk about how wonderful George Bush is?

I, myself, look forward to be called a traitor. Ooh America fuck yeah good times.

When the brain cells were lost to fear. And they still are.

Oops firetruck next door - out!

213 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:49:07pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

I, myself, look forward to be called a traitor. Ooh America fuck yeah good times.

When the brain cells were lost to fear. And they still are.

Oops firetruck next door - out!

being called a traitor in America is very rock and roll :D

214 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:50:06pm

re: #176 WindUpBird

rich republicans in the Heartland

The lexus is the car you buy when you have a ton of money and zero imagination :D

except the Sportcross IS, that thing was cool

Or are old and need a car you can actually get into and out of without the help of others.

My back has caused me to appreciate the cars I don’t really like.

215 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:51:22pm

re: #214 ggt

Or are old and need a car you can actually get into and out of without the help of others.

My back has caused me to appreciate the cars I don’t really like.

My dad replaced his car for exactly that reason, his 80’s BMW was too small and too low. so he bought a base Ford Escape :D Easy to get in and out, no lexus necessary!

216 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:52:03pm

re: #215 WindUpBird

aren’t lexus’ kind of like escalades where there’s no actual increased quality to speak of for the increased price?

217 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:52:29pm

re: #215 WindUpBird

My dad replaced his car for exactly that reason, his 80’s BMW was too small and too low. so he bought a base Ford Escape :D Easy to get in and out, no lexus necessary!

I don’t begrudge people their nice stuff. Especially old people.

218 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:52:43pm

re: #182 jaunte

Total Lexus sales are about 20,000 for the year so far:
[Link: lexusenthusiast.com…]

keep in mind that in a country of over 300 million people the top 1% and their families is about 3 million consumer units with those simoleons just burning a hole in their cashmere lined pockets

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:53:59pm

re: #214 ggt

Or are old and need a car you can actually get into and out of without the help of others.

My back has caused me to appreciate the cars I don’t really like.

My thing about the Lexus is it’s conspicuous consumption, basically ;-) That’s the “no imagination” bit

I’m a fan of super-functional wagons and hatches. Volvo 850s, old Subaru GLs with giant roof racks, cJeep Cherokees, I even hold some love for the old AMC Eagle. Subcompact AWD hatches that go anywhere? Impreza plz

220 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:54:47pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

Or if you’re gonna go Japanese, get an Acura.

221 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:55:44pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

My thing about the Lexus is it’s conspicuous consumption, basically ;-) That’s the “no imagination” bit

I’m a fan of super-functional wagons and hatches. Volvo 850s, old Subaru GLs with giant roof racks, cJeep Cherokees, I even hold some love for the old AMC Eagle. Subcompact AWD hatches that go anywhere? Impreza plz

Yeah, I don’t get the pretentious aspect of some items.

When we were looking at cars yesterday, the Nissan showroom had one little Nissan sporty thing that was stickered at 96K. I thought, “for $96K, I’d get a custom ordered Corvette.”

222 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:56:08pm

re: #218 engineer dog

keep in mind that in a country of over 300 million people the top 1% and their families is about 3 million consumers with those simoleons just burning a hole in their cashmere lined pockets

I’m sure you realize this but if the money was actually burning a hole in their pockets then the economy wouldn’t be in trouble. That’s why unemployment checks are comparatively better stimulus than tax cuts for the wealthy, because poor people spend damned near everything they make while rich people hoard.

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:56:12pm

re: #217 ggt

I don’t begrudge people their nice stuff. Especially old people.

I begrudge the symptom, basically.

A million debates, all aimed at a very tiny slice of extremely well-off people

If these debates had anything to do with what the average person is going through in America, we wouldn’t be seeing them filled with ads for Mercedes E-classes

that’s what I begrudge. it’s the way the seas move

224 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:56:22pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

I’d like one of these, but I don’t think I could afford the gas.
Image: 800px-Dodge_Power_Wagon_WM-100.jpg

225 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:57:48pm

re: #174 windsagio

Image: 4moreyears.jpg

+1 for the Steadman art.

226 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:58:09pm

re: #223 WindUpBird

I begrudge the symptom, basically.

A million debates, all aimed at a very tiny slice of extremely well-off people

If these debates had anything to do with what the average person is going through in America, we wouldn’t be seeing them filled with ads for Mercedes E-classes

that’s what I begrudge. it’s the way the seas move

I haven’t watched the debates so I haven’t seen the ads. I agree the debates are not about the election as much as selling ads and making money for those promoting the debates.

They don’t debate.

227 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:58:10pm

re: #216 windsagio

aren’t lexus’ kind of like escalades where there’s no actual increased quality to speak of for the increased price?

Spend the $ on a BMW.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:58:23pm

re: #221 ggt

Yeah, I don’t get the pretentious aspect of some items.

When we were looking at cars yesterday, the Nissan showroom had one little Nissan sporty thing that was stickered at 96K. I thought, “for $96K, I’d get a custom ordered Corvette.”

That is a Nissan GT-R, which is worlds more technologically advanced than a corvette. AWD, with torque vectoring. Closer to a super-car than a muscle car.

(I love a Vette! I’d get a well-preserved 1990’s ZR-1 if I had untold money. But the nissan GT-R is way above the vette in terms of what it can do.)

229 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:59:00pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I wonder if Palin is kicking herself for not running.

If she is kicking herself she’s doing it on top of a giant pile of money.

230 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:59:24pm

re: #228 WindUpBird

That is a Nissan GT-R, which is worlds more technologically advanced than a corvette. AWD, with torque vectoring. Closer to a super-car than a muscle car.

(I love a Vette! I’d get a well-preserved 1990’s ZR-1 if I had untold money. But the nissan GT-R is way above the vette in terms of what it can do. Torque vectir)

Well, it was freakin’ ugly, IMHO.

I’d love a James Bond Astin Martin.

231 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:59:29pm

personally i’m afraid to drive anything but a honda, since anything else is supposed to be less reliable

232 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:00:05pm

re: #228 WindUpBird

That is a Nissan GT-R, which is worlds more technologically advanced than a corvette. AWD, with torque vectoring. Closer to a super-car than a muscle car.

(I love a Vette! I’d get a well-preserved 1990’s ZR-1 if I had untold money. But the nissan GT-R is way above the vette in terms of what it can do.)

I’m holding out for a hemp powered jet pack.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:00:09pm

re: #230 ggt

Well, it was freakin’ ugly, IMHO.

I’d love a James Bond Astin Martin.

You’re right on that, they’re not the prettiest cars. it’s all basically Nissan’s hocus-pocus tech, that’s why they’re awesome :D

234 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:00:48pm

re: #228 WindUpBird

That is a Nissan GT-R, which is worlds more technologically advanced than a corvette. AWD, with torque vectoring. Closer to a super-car than a muscle car.

(I love a Vette! I’d get a well-preserved 1990’s ZR-1 if I had untold money. But the nissan GT-R is way above the vette in terms of what it can do.)

what i really want is something that looks like a packard but has the mechanics of a modern honda

235 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:01:20pm

re: #227 Stanley Sea

Spend the $ on a BMW.

Oh, and excitement next door was fire truck pulling away, with 2 cops on the median, pen who burned rubber on his leave. Whoo hoo.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:01:23pm

re: #234 engineer dog

what i really want is something that looks like a packard but has the mechanics of a modern honda

Kit cars!

Remember everyone trying to take Fieros and kit them out to be pretend Countaches?

237 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:01:33pm

re: #233 WindUpBird

You’re right on that, they’re not the prettiest cars. it’s all basically Nissan’s hocus-pocus tech, that’s why they’re awesome :D

sounds like a world of problems to me.

But then, all I want is a car that goes and stops when I tell it too, air conditioning and rear window defrost. A heater is also required.

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:02:38pm

re: #237 ggt

sounds like a world of problems to me.

But then, all I want is a car that goes and stops when I tell it too, air conditioning and rear window defrost. A heater is also required.

I require cargo room, and I think my next car will be AWD, if I decide to trade my little hatch in on a wagon…

239 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:03:34pm

re: #236 WindUpBird

Kit cars!

Remember everyone trying to take Fieros and kit them out to be pretend Countaches?

oh believe me i’m tempted!

240 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:03:43pm

re: #238 WindUpBird

I require cargo room, and I think my next car will be AWD, if I decide to trade my little hatch in on a wagon…

They had a convertible Murano. The bumper was shoulder height. I asked how a person was supossed to get anything in the trunk. Sales doofus gave me a blank stare.

241 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:03:56pm

re: #221 ggt

Yeah, I don’t get the pretentious aspect of some items.

When we were looking at cars yesterday, the Nissan showroom had one little Nissan sporty thing that was stickered at 96K. I thought, “for $96K, I’d get a custom ordered Corvette.”

84,500 bucks
controller.com
Way cooler.

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:04:49pm

re: #240 ggt

They had a convertible Murano. The bumper was shoulder height. I asked how a person was supossed to get anything in the trunk. Sales doofus gave me a blank stare.

There’s a convertible Murano? I had no idea!

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:05:13pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

84,500 bucks
[Link: www.controller.com…]
Way cooler.

unfortuantely i’ll get arrested trying to park it

244 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:05:47pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

kinda funky lookin’ imo

Image: 31399543.jpeg

245 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:06:12pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

84,500 bucks
[Link: www.controller.com…]
Way cooler.

I hate spending money on depreciating assets. I want something that works and is safe for under $20K.

246 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:06:44pm

controller.com
Sweet.

247 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:06:56pm

re: #244 windsagio

kinda funky lookin’ imo

Image: 31399543.jpeg

fugly, you can say it.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:08:25pm

re: #245 ggt

I hate spending money on depreciating assets. I want something that works and is safe for under $20K.

I miss our 850R, I wanna nother one *_*

249 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:08:36pm

bbl

250 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:12:47pm

re: #245 ggt

I hate spending money on depreciating assets. I want something that works and is safe for under $20K.

I’m the same way. Cars are one of the biggest rip offs in modern society but we cherish them so much. We pay absurd prices for something that loses about 50% of its value as soon as we purchase it and we pay absurd interest to banks to buy these things we can’t afford. We tire of them in a few years when they no longer feed our egos and repeat the process all over again because we imagine that other people in traffic admire our style even though most of them are driving the same cars.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:13:31pm

re: #214 ggt

My Toyota Highlander has 320,000 miles on it. Have never had a major repair (not really any repair worth speaking of). My pretty, pretty, sweet loving car.

252 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:14:11pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

…and we wonder why the 1% keep getting richer. It’s because we keep giving them our money.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:15:25pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I’ve only bought a couple of new cars. I generally drive them until they die. But, my preference is a used car, nothing flashy with 60 or so thousand miles on it when I get it.

254 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:17:28pm

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’ve only bought a couple of new cars. I generally drive them until they die. But, my preference is a used car, nothing flashy with 60 or so thousand miles on it when I get it.

I have a Nissan pathfinder which was a hand me down from my mom about 15 years ago. Never had a major repair, every couple of years I wash it to kill off the moss.

255 AlexRogan  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:19:13pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I have a Nissan pathfinder which was a hand me down from my mom about 15 years ago. Never had a major repair, every couple of years I wash it to kill off the moss.

Why do that, when you’d have built-in, natural camoflauge?

/

256 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:20:13pm

re: #126 ggt

Why?

She can haz cheeseburger?

257 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:20:17pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I’m the same way. Cars are one of the biggest rip offs in modern society but we cherish them so much. We pay absurd prices for something that loses about 50% of its value as soon as we purchase it and we pay absurd interest to banks to buy these things we can’t afford. We tire of them in a few years when they no longer feed our egos and repeat the process all over again because we imagine that other people in traffic admire our style even though most of them are driving the same cars.

Yes, but then I don’t have to ride the bus with five kids and a week’s worth of groceries for seven people.

258 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:21:57pm

re: #255 talon_262

Why do that, when you’d have bulit-in, natural camoflauge?

/

Because people kept knocking on my door asking me if I wanted to sell the car. It kept happening and I finally asked someone why they thought to ask and they said it doesn’t look like it’s being used. I’ve been washing off the moss for a few years now and it does cut down on the car sales inquiries.

259 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:22:09pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I’m the same way. Cars are one of the biggest rip offs in modern society but we cherish them so much. We pay absurd prices for something that loses about 50% of its value as soon as we purchase it and we pay absurd interest to banks to buy these things we can’t afford. We tire of them in a few years when they no longer feed our egos and repeat the process all over again because we imagine that other people in traffic admire our style even though most of them are driving the same cars.

I buy used. I find something in good to excellent shape, have my mechanic check it out for potential problems, if it passes inspection I pay cash and drive it home.

Mostly I use my truck to haul equipment around. As long as it looks good and all the amenities work, I’ll drive it until it starts to go, then go and pay cash for something else.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:22:27pm

re: #256 Alouette

She can haz needz cheeseburger?

261 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:24:01pm

re: #259 makeitstop

yeah the real ripoff is buying a car new really, let somebody else be the sucker :D

262 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:24:45pm

re: #261 windsagio

yeah the real ripoff is buying a car new really, let somebody else be the sucker :D

We bought a new minivan in 1999.

It’s sitting in the garage right now.

My husband doesn’t want to gamble on anyone else’s maintenance.

263 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:25:37pm

re: #261 windsagio

yeah the real ripoff is buying a car new really, let somebody else be the sucker :D

I think paying cash is another big factor. I can see a loan to buy a house but car loans are just absurd. Buy what you can afford.

264 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:25:55pm

I was having fun. Fighting off a couple of spiders. No big deal. Suddenly an NPC forces me into conversation. I get killed because I can’t do a damn thing thing. Grrr.

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:26:01pm

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My Toyota Highlander has 320,000 miles on it. Have never had a major repair (not really any repair worth speaking of). My pretty, pretty, sweet loving car.

My old Toyota Corolla was pushing 400,000, and the engine still ran strong, but all the little crap wrong with it (random wiring issues, it seemed to like to eat starters, heater stopped working) made it eventually an untenable position *_*

266 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:26:22pm

re: #262 EmmmieG
My dad has told me do not buy used because you are buying someone else’s troubles.

267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:27:04pm

re: #266 PhillyPretzel

My dad has told me do not buy used because you are buying someone else’s troubles.

The people who pay the premium are the “New Car Every 3 Years” people.

268 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:27:06pm

re: #264 JasonA

I was having fun. Fighting off a couple of spiders. No big deal. Suddenly an NPC forces me into conversation. I get killed because I can’t do a damn thing thing. Grrr.

Yeah, the new conversation system is both a joy and a pain at times.

269 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:27:41pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I have a Nissan pathfinder which was a hand me down from my mom about 15 years ago. Never had a major repair, every couple of years I wash it to kill off the moss.

I had a Pathfinder for 19 years, before somebody spun out on the freeway and smacked it. Never had a problem with it. I bought an Xterra to replace it. It’s going to last me another 20 years.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:27:41pm

re: #265 WindUpBird

There is nothing wrong with mine. Everything works perfectly (knockonwood). I’m gonna get a half a million out of it. They maintenance guys who work on it are all but guaranteeing I will.

271 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:27:44pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

…and we wonder why the 1% keep getting richer. It’s because we keep giving them our money.

Well, not until fucking necessary. I pray every day for my 125K car driving 60 mi ea day. No! A payment is gonna kill.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:28:04pm

re: #266 PhillyPretzel

My dad has told me do not buy used because you are buying someone else’s troubles.

eh, I’ve never bought a new car in my life, I buy used from trustworthy sources (swedeone in Portland, respectknuckles)

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:28:17pm

re: #269 mracb

We had an Xterra. Loved it.

274 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:28:42pm

re: #268 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the new conversation system is both a joy and a pain at times.

Yeah, it’s much more immersive than the world around coming to a halt, but moments like this make me want to throw my keyboard across the room.

275 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:28:45pm

re: #266 PhillyPretzel

My dad has told me do not buy used because you are buying someone else’s troubles.

Think about the logic: If you buy new you’re just buying your own troubles. The troubles are the same, the only difference if how much you’re paying for them.

276 rwdflynavy  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:29:37pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We had an Xterra. Loved it.

I’m stylin in a 2003 Xterra. I’ll be driving it for many years to come.

277 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:30:20pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout
Keep in mind that is what my dad has told me. It is not what I do. I have a transpass for SEPTA. I do not have a car.

278 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:30:24pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Think about the logic: If you buy new you’re just buying your own troubles. The troubles are the same, the only difference if how much you’re paying for them.

If you buy a car new, you know that the oil changes were done on time, that the maintenance was done on schedule, etc.

The trick is to buy a car with a great record, and keep it forever.

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:30:49pm

re: #266 PhillyPretzel

My dad has told me do not buy used because you are buying someone else’s troubles.

there’s a point where the troubles are worth the risk. Like for example, my friend’s 900 dollar escort. Good shape, a little banged up from being a 15+ year old car, but pretty low miles!

280 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:30:52pm

re: #274 JasonA

Yeah, it’s much more immersive than the world around coming to a halt, but moments like this make me want to throw my keyboard across the room.

I’ll trade you for followers not being able to follow worth a damn and forcing me to fast-travel just to get them to catch up.

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:31:30pm

re: #278 EmmmieG

If you buy a car new, you know that the oil changes were done on time, that the maintenance was done on schedule, etc.

The trick is to buy a car with a great record, and keep it forever.

yeah, but my needs are changing :P I need more room than my hatch has at the moment *_*

282 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:31:32pm

re: #264 JasonA

I was having fun. Fighting off a couple of spiders. No big deal. Suddenly an NPC forces me into conversation. I get killed because I can’t do a damn thing thing took an arrow to the knee. Grrr.

283 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:32:49pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

I was stealing some poor schmuck’s sweetroll, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

284 rwdflynavy  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:32:49pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

I have not played Oblivion, but enjoyed both Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Thinking I might have to pick up Skyrim. Are you playing on the PC or console?

285 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:33:01pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

yeah, but my needs are changing :P I need more room than my hatch has at the moment *_*

Those little trucks back in the 80’s were good for people that didn’t need to haul a lot of people, but sometimes needed to haul stuff.

We had one.

286 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:33:20pm

re: #280 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’ll trade you for followers not being able to follow worth a damn and forcing me to fast-travel just to get them to catch up.

Oh god the flame atronach makes me want to hit the caps lock and just walk everywhere…

287 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:33:43pm

re: #284 rwdflynavy

I have not played Oblivion, but enjoyed both Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Thinking I might have to pick up Skyrim. Are you playing on the PC or console?

PC.

288 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:34:26pm

re: #284 rwdflynavy

I have not played Oblivion, but enjoyed both Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Thinking I might have to pick up Skyrim. Are you playing on the PC or console?

Stick to your personal preference, but I will never play a game like this on a console. Modding makes these even better.

289 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:34:54pm

re: #286 JasonA

Oh god the flame atronach makes me want to hit the caps lock and just walk everywhere…

I keep considering buying a horse, but decided against, because I already have enough trouble keeping track of my follower. Losing a 1000 gold investment because it bugged out would be worth throwing the controller across the room.

290 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:34:56pm

The car to fit WUB’s needs:

Image: 4008008513_ca0215d93b.jpg

291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:35:02pm

re: #285 EmmmieG

Those little trucks back in the 80’s were good for people that didn’t need to haul a lot of people, but sometimes needed to haul stuff.

We had one.

I’m a volvo wagon guy. :D I need to hold 5-6 people and camping/convention gear

292 rwdflynavy  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:35:22pm

re: #288 JasonA

Stick to your personal preference, but I will never play a game like this on a console. Modding makes these even better.

I’ve been playing mostly on PC, but might need some more RAM for Skyrim.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:35:25pm

re: #290 windsagio

The car to fit WUB’s needs:

Image: 4008008513_ca0215d93b.jpg

YES

not really, but still rad :D

294 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:35:37pm

re: #289 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I keep considering buying a horse, but decided against, because I already have enough trouble keeping track of my follower. Losing a 1000 gold investment because it bugged out would be worth throwing the controller across the room.

Followers and fast travel is for the weak!
:P

295 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:36:03pm

re: #288 JasonA

Stick to your personal preference, but I will never play a game like this on a console. Modding makes these even better.

I got burned trying to get Fallout New Vegas and Oblivion running on my (extremely capable) PC, the driver headaches ruined me. *_* Xbox forever! No more hassles

296 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:36:05pm

So, Skyrim is $150 bucks?

297 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:36:43pm

re: #296 prairiefire

So, Skyrim is $150 bucks?

For the ridiculous collectors edition.

298 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:36:49pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

Followers and fast travel is for the weak!
:P

Yeah, I don’t have all night to march from Riften to Solitude, stopping every 5-10 minutes to kill yet another dragon.

299 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:37:27pm

re: #298 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I don’t have all night to march from Riften to Solitude, stopping every 5-10 minutes to kill yet another dragon.

I miss the mark and recall spells.

300 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:38:06pm

Occupy Seattle at a crossroads: ‘People have lost the message’

Some of the “occupiers” say there’s a growing frustration at the aggressive tactics of late - tactics that hurt more than help.
…
They want to inflict violence,” says Occupy Seattle medic Thomas Canant. “They want to start violence, cause violence.”
…
“It’s a 24-hour-a-day job just trying to keep the peace,” he says. “People have lost the message. People have lost the concept of why we’re here.”

Canant says the original idea of starting a dialogue over financial disparity has given way to the near-riots in Olympia and Friday night’s takover of an empty warehouse - walking the fine line between anarchy and organization.

Erik Huper of Capitol Hill says, “It just doesn’t seem like anything’s being accomplished.”

He initially supported Occupy but has tired of the aggressive faction taking over.

“There’s no constructive strategy for how we’re going to get this country out of the mess we’re in,” Huper says. “Yeah, what’s the point?”

301 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:38:31pm

re: #289 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I keep considering buying a horse, but decided against, because I already have enough trouble keeping track of my follower. Losing a 1000 gold investment because it bugged out would be worth throwing the controller across the room.

Have you done the Dark Brotherhood quests?

302 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:39:34pm

I got to get up early tomorrow. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

303 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:40:34pm

re: #301 JasonA

Have you done the Dark Brotherhood quests?

Not yet, but yes, I know about the awesome horse you get as part of them. I’ve been too busy hunting down bandit leader du jour and hitting up every alchemist from here to Hammerfell for alchemical ingredients for the next town over.

304 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:41:35pm

re: #303 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not yet, but yes, I know about the awesome horse you get as part of them. I’ve been too busy hunting down bandit leader du jour and hitting up every alchemist from here to Hammerfell for alchemical ingredients for the next town over.

It really is an awesome quest, too. Maybe my favorite so far.

305 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:42:46pm

re: #304 JasonA

It really is an awesome quest, too. Maybe my favorite so far.

Yeah, was watching somebody play it live the other day. And I gotta say, I never imagined Three Dog as an assassin.

306 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:43:31pm

re: #221 ggt

Yeah, I don’t get the pretentious aspect of some items.

When we were looking at cars yesterday, the Nissan showroom had one little Nissan sporty thing that was stickered at 96K. I thought, “for $96K, I’d get a custom ordered Corvette.”

Choke. 96K for a Nissan? The world has gone mad.

307 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:43:46pm

re: #306 funky chicken

Choke. 96K for a Nissan? The world has gone mad.

dude, it’s a SUPERCAR

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:45:10pm

re: #306 funky chicken

Choke. 96K for a Nissan? The world has gone mad.

I’d sure rather have a (530HP!) GT-R than an equivalently priced Mercedes or BMW, because the GT-R would stomp it into paste :D

309 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:45:40pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

The people who pay the premium are the “New Car Every 3 Years” people.

My dad’s a retired auto dealer, and he says if you want a new car every 3 years you should just lease.

310 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:46:19pm

re: #305 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, was watching somebody play it live the other day. And I gotta say, I never imagined Three Dog as an assassin.

“Comin’ to you live from the swamps of Falkreath! Aooo!”

311 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:46:44pm

re: #306 funky chicken

Choke. 96K for a Nissan? The world has gone mad.

Think about it like this. “$100,000 for a chevy? has the world gone mad?”

But we don’t question that Chevy makes the Corvette Zr-1 ;-)

312 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:49:13pm

re: #311 WindUpBird

Think about it like this. “$100,000 for a chevy? has the world gone mad?”

But we don’t question that Chevy makes the Corvette Zr-1 ;-)

100K for a Corvette? The world has gone mad.

313 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:52:18pm

re: #308 WindUpBird

I’d sure rather have a (530HP!) GT-R than an equivalently priced Mercedes or BMW, because the GT-R would stomp it into paste :D

GTR is a Porsche killer for almost half off.

314 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:53:45pm
Supporters, though, think any attention keeps the conversation going.

“When inequity is there, these events are going to occur,” says John Murphy, who supports Occupy Seattle and its message - even if violence keeps the movement in the headlines.

“Any dialogue is positive if it creates change,” he says.

Lovely.

315 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:54:01pm

Evening Lizardim. What’s cooking?

316 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:55:50pm

re: #313 wozzablog

GTR is a Porsche killer for almost half off.

yes *_*

317 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:01:27pm

Chuthlu laughs at all this car talk. After all, everyone knows that the one true car to rule them all is the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.

318 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:02:37pm

re: #317 lawhawk

Chuthlu laughs at all this car talk. After all, everyone knows that the one true car to rule them all is the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.

Well, Cthullu is the 1%.

319 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:10:37pm

I find it funny that Buick still sees fit to advertise their 270 hp Regal, when one of the main things driving American car purchasing is the high price of fuel. Selling to the 1%, no doubt.

320 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:11:25pm

re: #311 WindUpBird

Think about it like this. “$100,000 for a chevy? has the world gone mad?”

But we don’t question that Chevy makes the Corvette Zr-1 ;-)

That’s still grounds to ask if the world has gone mad because, in the end, it is just a Chevy. That’s not a bad thing. Just not a $100k thing. Especially in a world where I could get 2 Lotus Elises for that ;)

321 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:14:16pm

re: #320 wlewisiii

That’s still grounds to ask if the world has gone mad because, in the end, it is just a Chevy. That’s not a bad thing. Just not a $100k thing. Especially in a world where I could get 2 Lotus Elises for that ;)

Oh i’m right there on the lotus *_*

322 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:17:58pm

re: #317 lawhawk

Chuthlu laughs at all this car talk. After all, everyone knows that the one true car to rule them all is the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.

Veyron = too heavy :(

323 darthstar  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:19:17pm

re: #315 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. What’s cooking?

Someone else…just got home from a day out and poured cocktails, then the wife looks at me and says, “Let’s not mess up the kitchen tonight.” So we’re off to Pasta Moon. Need two more strings of lights for the tree anyway, so we’ll stop at RiteAid or CVS too…

324 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:20:14pm

Sounds like a subversive attempt to deny that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, eh?

Round Rock festival showscases life from when Central Texas was covered by ocean

Linda McCall really likes her “fossil bling,” as she calls it.

A shark tooth earring and a necklace with an ammonite, an ancient mollusk with a spiral shell, helped her fit right in with the thousands of fossils, many of which were found right under the Central Texas soil, at the 21st annual Fossil Fest, which was held over the weekend and which McCall organized with the Paleontological Society of Austin.

“The goal of the weekend is to introduce paleontology to the general public in a fun, interesting way, because it’s so much more than picking up dead things in rocks,” said McCall, vice president of the society.

Just below the dark dirt in somebody’s yard, there could easily be fossils between 65 million and 145 million years old, said McCall, an avocational paleontologist — an amateur who has published scientific papers.

[…]

Heh, it’s more than “there could easily be” - there absolutely are fossil remains - what do Texans think all that oil is?

Oversimplifying - petroleum is the remains of the soft matter of micro-organisms that used to live in the ocean, with the oxygen in the carbon compounds removed.

So… all this talk of automobiles - Americans run their lives on the fossil remains of micro-organisms, consuming said resource roughly a million times faster than the net production of which the Earth system (biosphere + geology) is capable.

325 darthstar  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:20:19pm

Shit…I’ll have to catch up on the world’s ills with you all later.

326 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:20:29pm

damn

I hate this song and love it in equal measure.

hate it because it gets me to thinking, and love it because it gets me to thinking.

Youtube Video

327 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:21:22pm

re: #322 WindUpBird

Veyron = too heavy :(

It’ll outrun any car currently built, and all you can say is “too heavy”?

328 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:22:16pm

re: #323 darthstar

Someone else…just got home from a day out and poured cocktails, then the wife looks at me and says, “Let’s not mess up the kitchen tonight.” So we’re off to Pasta Moon. Need two more strings of lights for the tree anyway, so we’ll stop at RiteAid or CVS too…

Yeah, the Mrs. Fish and I were down at target for some winter wear for the fishspawn, given the wave of bitter cold that is currently swooping down on the wild north country. While we were out, we stopped over at Arby’s armed with a page of coupons. Ah, how I loathe the end-of-paycheck cycle.

329 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:24:16pm

re: #318 wozzablog

Well, Cthullu is the 1%.

Or the 0.01%

My son and I saw one of those in LA. It was parked at a meter on Rodeo Drive, but was just a dealer prop. Once an hour a woman came out to feed the meter. My son said she was “super hot,” … apparently she worked at the $10K outfit store and part of her job was babysitting the car.

Yeah, the world has gone mad.

330 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:24:44pm

re: #327 thedopefishlives

It’ll outrun any car currently built, and all you can say is “too heavy”?

Sports cars should be light and connected to the ground. The Veyron weighs as much as an SUV, like 4200 lbs or something?

it’s an awesome car! But it’s sorta in its own category of rocket-ship-techno-marvel

331 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:26:01pm

re: #327 thedopefishlives

It’ll outrun any car currently built, and all you can say is “too heavy”?

would rather have en.wikipedia.org

2500 lbs and completely insane

332 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:27:40pm

re: #330 WindUpBird

Sports cars should be light and connected to the ground. The Veyron weighs as much as an SUV, like 4200 lbs or something?

it’s an awesome car! But it’s sorta in its own category of rocket-ship-techno-marvel

An exercise in vanity and technology.

333 AlexRogan  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:27:49pm

This is a nifty little piece of backcountry kit…a camp stove that burns wood and other “biomass”, generating electricity from the waste heat to power a blower to help the fire burn cleaner and to charge your (small) USB-powered gadgets.

BioLite

And there’s a larger version, suitable for home use (for us Westerners, I would assume outside).

334 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:27:52pm

Twitter is going somewhere.

335 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:27:59pm

re: #330 WindUpBird

Sports cars should be light and connected to the ground. The Veyron weighs as much as an SUV, like 4200 lbs or something?

it’s an awesome car! But it’s sorta in its own category of rocket-ship-techno-marvel

It’s muscle cars vs. pony cars. The Bugatti is a muscle car, the McLaren is a pony car. It just depends on how you like to roll. Me, I’m a muscle car man, I don’t care how much it weighs, I just like seeing the huge number followed by “hp”.

336 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:28:58pm

re: #214 ggt

Or are old and need a car you can actually get into and out of without the help of others.

My back has caused me to appreciate the cars I don’t really like.

Look at the Ford Flex. It’s hideously ugly on the outside (IMHO, and my dad even admits it) but the inside is awesome. And it’s a super comfortable ride, and low to the ground for easy entry/exit.

337 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:30:47pm

re: #335 thedopefishlives

It’s muscle cars vs. pony cars. The Bugatti is a muscle car, the McLaren is a pony car. It just depends on how you like to roll. Me, I’m a muscle car man, I don’t care how much it weighs, I just like seeing the huge number followed by “hp”.

The Mclaren is not a pony car, a Mustang or a Cougar is a pony car. :P Pony car means affordable and sporty and America. The McLaren is a supercar, in the same class as a Zonda or a Konigsegg.

At 600hp for a 2500 lb. RWD car that is 0-60 in 3 seconds, I think that’s plenty insane *_*

338 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:32:12pm

re: #336 funky chicken

Look at the Ford Flex. It’s hideously ugly on the outside (IMHO, and my dad even admits it) but the inside is awesome. And it’s a super comfortable ride, and low to the ground for easy entry/exit.

I’ve ridden in a Flex, i dig them, I don’t consider them ugly at all, really, just really big classic-surfer wagon looks. I consider the Flex to be a prettier car than about any SUV ever made

339 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:32:28pm

The secret of marketing.

Youtube Video

340 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:32:52pm

re: #337 WindUpBird

The Mclaren is not a pony car, a Mustang or a Cougar is a pony car. :P Pony car means affordable and sporty and America. The McLaren is a supercar, in the same class as a Zonda or a Konigsegg.

At 600hp for a 2500 lb. RWD car that is 0-60 in 3 seconds, I think that’s plenty insane *_*

I meant it in philosophical terms. :P The Bugatti is a big, heavy, technological marvel with its massive 16-cylinder engine. The McLaren is light, sporty, and driven more by racing purity. In fact, in a flat-out drag, the McLaren will take the Bugatti up to about 200 km/h.

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:34:22pm

re: #340 thedopefishlives

I meant it in philosophical terms. :P The Bugatti is a big, heavy, technological marvel with its massive 16-cylinder engine. The McLaren is light, sporty, and driven more by racing purity. In fact, in a flat-out drag, the McLaren will take the Bugatti up to about 200 km/h.

haha ok ^^

I’m always on the side of “add lightness” :D I sorta miss my old 1995 Golf, sub 3000 lbs, and infintely tossable on curves

342 AlexRogan  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:36:08pm

re: #335 thedopefishlives

It’s muscle cars vs. pony cars. The Bugatti is a muscle car, the McLaren is a pony car. It just depends on how you like to roll. Me, I’m a muscle car man, I don’t care how much it weighs, I just like seeing the huge number followed by “hp”.

re: #337 WindUpBird

The Mclaren is not a pony car, a Mustang or a Cougar is a pony car. :P Pony car means affordable and sporty and America. The McLaren is a supercar, in the same class as a Zonda or a Konigsegg.

At 600hp for a 2500 lb. RWD car that is 0-60 in 3 seconds, I think that’s plenty insane *_*

Why is it that when I’m imagining this conversation taking place face-to-face, I’d hear a lot of grunting and screeching, Tim Taylor-style?

/More Power!!! ;-P
;-P

343 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:37:04pm

re: #342 talon_262

re: #337 WindUpBird

Why is it that when I’m imagining this conversation taking place fac-to-face, I’d hear a lot of grunting and screeching, Tim Taylor-style?

;-P

hurgh-hurgh-hurgh

344 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:38:46pm

re: #147 lawhawk

If you can, do Yosemite & Mammoth, can’t do both in the winter, as the pass is closed, but both are spectacular!

345 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:39:16pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

haha ok ^^

I’m always on the side of “add lightness” :D I sorta miss my old 1995 Golf, sub 3000 lbs, and infintely tossable on curves

I have a weak spot for a powerhouse power plant. I grew up on a farm, where big heavy vehicles with massive engines were the rule, rather than the exception. I could fall asleep to the sweet sound of a big-block V8.

346 AlexRogan  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:40:19pm

re: #343 wozzablog

hurgh-hurgh-hurgh

Youtube Video

347 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:41:31pm

re: #346 talon_262

[Video]

Easiest script writing credit EVAH

348 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:41:39pm

I have a good friend who drives a Flex, and he says it’s amazing in the snow too. I still think it’s ugly on the outside, but the inside more than makes up for it.

349 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:43:47pm

Now for some heavy-duty make-out music.

Youtube Video

or something.

350 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:44:41pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

The people who pay the premium are the “New Car Every 3 Years” people.

The really stupid ones, are the ones who do “fleeces”.

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:46:20pm

re: #342 talon_262

re: #337 WindUpBird

Why is it that when I’m imagining this conversation taking place face-to-face, I’d hear a lot of grunting and screeching, Tim Taylor-style?

/More Power!!! ;-P
;-P

Hey! I’m an elise fan! Less power, more lightness :D Enough power to get into trouble is all I need ^^

352 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:46:41pm

Money no object, i’d still be a really tight bastard and have one car that did everything.
Probably a Jaguar X Type Estate car.

4WD, big engine. Sorted.

353 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:47:43pm

re: #352 wozzablog

Money no object, i’d still be a really tight bastard and have one car that did everything.
Probably a Jaguar X Type Estate car.

4WD, big engine. Sorted.

For me, tuned Volvo V70R wagon or an Audi All-road wagon with the engine from an RS4 :D

354 funky chicken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:49:42pm

re: #350 Floral Giraffe

The really stupid ones, are the ones who do “fleeces”.

Nah, my dad says for the folks who always want new every 3 years the lease is a better deal. I was making fun of them, and he said they can actually work out better for people, especially if you get in on one of the specials.

Hey, he’s the car dealer.

I don’t do them because I can buy at dealer cost +.

355 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:50:20pm

Get an old Land Rover if you want to survive the zombie apocalypse.

356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:50:50pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Get an old Land Rover if you want to survive the zombie apocalypse.

If you got a tank, you could just roll it into a Costco and live in there.

357 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:51:07pm

re: #339 mracb

Well allow me to retort.

Youtube Video

358 lawhawk  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:52:16pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Or a new one that has that auto-magic transmission that automatically senses the proper gear for low/high off-road, and makes driving off-road a breeze.

359 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:54:10pm

Remember when Debbie Schlussel and other wingnut islamophobes were upset that Miss USA gave the crown to muslim Rima Fakih?

Donald Trump, Dhimmi: Miss Hezbollah Rima Fakih Wins Miss USA; Rigged for Muslima? Miss Oklahoma’s Arizona Immigration Answer

Well, of course, that outrage was especially stupid given that Ms. Fakih was prancing around the stage almost naked and quite proud of it… but nevertheless, it seems that Ms. Fakih also doesn’t seem to care for other prohibitions:

Former Miss USA Rima Fakih arrested for drunk driving in Highland Park

Sources say she blew a .20, which is more than twice Michigan’s legal limit. She spent most of Saturday in jail.

Oh well, there goes another stereotype of muslims…

360 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:54:33pm

re: #353 WindUpBird

For me, tuned Volvo V70R wagon or an Audi All-road wagon with the engine from an RS4 :D

The Jag is 700 UK lbs lighter than the volvo.

faster 0-60 time too on the atomatics

361 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:56:10pm

re: #356 EmmmieG

An army tanker friend of mine tells me the M1A2 is a sweet ride; a little pricy on the gas though.

362 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:56:58pm

re: #361 jaunte

An army tanker friend of mine tells me the M1A2 is a sweet ride; a little pricy on the gas though.

I was kind of planning on leaving it there until the Costco ran out of food.

363 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:58:21pm

re: #361 jaunte

An army tanker friend of mine tells me the M1A2 is a sweet ride; a little pricy on the gas though.

Well, it does run on Jet A, I can imagine it costs a pretty penny.

364 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:59:16pm

I am being an exceptional dullard this evening, or “bloke”, if you will.

365 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:59:31pm

re: #359 freetoken

Holy shit, .20?!?. That’s alot of booze.

366 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:00:09pm

re: #356 EmmmieG

If you got a tank, you could just roll it into a Costco and live in there.

LOL!

367 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:02:45pm

re: #365 ProLifeLiberal

Holy shit, .20?!?. That’s alot of booze.

Well, if she doesn’t weigh very much, she may not have drank very much. Just tanked it all down rapid-fire.

368 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:02:53pm

re: #357 JasonA

Well allow me to retort.

[Video]

I have friends in marketing. The self loathing is immense.

369 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:03:01pm

re: #364 wozzablog

I am being an exceptional dullard this evening, or “bloke”, if you will.

I won’t.

370 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:03:27pm

re: #363 thedopefishlives

Now we need an airport near a Costco…

371 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:03:58pm

re: #368 wozzablog

I have friends in marketing. The self loathing is immense.

That level of cynicism has to take a toll.

372 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:04:07pm

re: #367 thedopefishlives

That’s true. That is still very sloshed.

373 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:04:14pm

re: #369 Obdicut

I won’t.

I wouldn’t either.

374 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:04:32pm

Occupy Melbourne Tent Monsters
Youtube Video
“enjoy your lunch. Have a nice day”

375 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:05:02pm

re: #371 JasonA

That level of cynicism has to take a toll.

Below them only Frank Luntz.

376 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:05:43pm

re: #375 wozzablog

Below them only Frank Luntz.

Oh I’m pretty sure that one sleeps like a newborn.

377 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:07:51pm

I’m finding Chrome to be just so much more cpu and memory efficient to want to use Safari anymore, though there are a couple of things about Chrome that annoy me (such as the non-scrolling of text in window upon selection down to the bottom - I have to roll the cursor below the window to make it scroll… but I usually have the windows open the full height of the screen - argh.)

So, Chrome is likely to be my default browser now.

Apple needs to rework Safari internals. They have done so, for their mobile versions and those versions will likely keep Safari alive, but Firefox might be under too much pressure from Google:


How Google Can Deal a Death Blow to Firefox

Firefox’s future has never been as uncertain as it is right now. Let’s start with the market share numbers and work our way from there. Depending on which web analytics firm you put your faith into, Mozilla’s browser has either given up it’s second place position to Google’s Chrome browser, or is really close to doing so. NetMarketShare, for example, has Firefox sitting on a 22.14 percent of the global market at the end of November 2011, down from 25.02 percent in December 2009 (which is as far back as NetMarketShare goes). Chrome, meanwhile, is nipping at Firefox’s heels with an 18.18 percent share of the market, up considerably from just 4.71 percent in December 2009.

If you head on over to StatCounter, you’ll see numbers that show Chrome overtaking Firefox globally for the first time. According to StatCounter, Chrome is the browser of choice 25.69 percent of the time, slightly above Firefox at 25.23 percent.

[…]

378 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:12:38pm

re: #377 freetoken

Strange, Chrome is having massive problems on my computer in regards to speed. I’m using Firefox until it is fixed.

379 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:15:37pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

haha ok ^^

I’m always on the side of “add lightness” :D I sorta miss my old 1995 Golf, sub 3000 lbs, and infintely tossable on curves

I’m not, but then again I’m too big to enjoy a small vehicle. I need room, and that means I’d need a larger car.

380 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:15:52pm

re: #378 ProLifeLiberal

Well, I use OSX and one would think that Apple’s browser would be optimum… but for me Safari just chokes on most webpages, in part due to Flash but also because Safari really doesn’t make the best use of Darwin.

Chrome though starts different Darwin processes for various tasks - much better that way. I’ve not had to Force Quit anything Chrome has done so far, but Safari has become so burdened with stuff that it hangs half the time I’m using it.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:18:54pm

re: #359 freetoken

Remember when Debbie Schlussel and other wingnut islamophobes were upset that Miss USA gave the crown to muslim Rima Fakih?

Donald Trump, Dhimmi: Miss Hezbollah Rima Fakih Wins Miss USA; Rigged for Muslima? Miss Oklahoma’s Arizona Immigration Answer

Well, of course, that outrage was especially stupid given that Ms. Fakih was prancing around the stage almost naked and quite proud of it… but nevertheless, it seems that Ms. Fakih also doesn’t seem to care for other prohibitions:

Former Miss USA Rima Fakih arrested for drunk driving in Highland Park

Oh well, there goes another stereotype of muslims…

And there goes any endorsement or model deals Rimas might have. A DUI at that level of intoxication will see any such deals terminated under the relevant contract’s moral clause.

382 windsagio  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:21:23pm

there is no way to improve upon the following:

Christmas is approaching, but it is not the same as the nuclear holocaust has ruined much of the world’s evergreen tree population. While cleaning out the chimney, the group finds Santa Claus has visited the group, but appears depressed. He later reveals to the group that he is suffering survivor’s guilt as his workshop at the North Pole had a fallout shelter, but the door slammed shut and Mrs. Claus and all the elves were unable to get inside. Stuart Pankin guest starred as Santa.

383 tshinkle  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:22:44pm

Newt is exactly right to say that blindly following the global warming hysteria was one of the dumbest things he’s ever done. Like a lot of us he didn’t realize the Left had hijacked the last area they hadn’t ruined - the natural sciences.

AGW assumes that three things are going on:

1. The world is warming
2. It’s caused by man
3. The warming will be catastrophic

As each day passes more and more scientists are questioning all 3 postulates. The latest was Friday’s column from the leading sea level expert (and yes, he’s a scientist) saying sea level’s aren’t rising more than 1MM per year - very similar to the rise for the past 3 centuries - and there is no measured threat.

The Left calling any skeptic the name of “anti-science” sounds weirdly reminiscent to the Marxist professors who called anybody who didn’t accept the natural progression from capitalism to communism “anti-science”. But that’s always what the Left has been good at - name calling and vilifying the right. If

384 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:25:05pm

Marketing is cool! Open up the craniums, arrange things just so. I love it.

385 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:25:31pm

Problem: My chocolate chip cookies taste better the second day.

It’s getting to that second day that doesn’t happen.

386 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:25:45pm

re: #383 tshinkle

I take it you didn’t watch the video posted earlier today, or if you watched it, didn’t understand it:
littlegreenfootballs.com

387 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:28:02pm

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

She’s beautiful and sexy and wild.

That makes her more than qualified to be a reality TV star for the next decade. She’s already been in one series (WWE’s Tough Enough.)

With this notoriety she’s one step closer to being Kardashian-qualified.

388 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:28:36pm

re: #385 EmmmieG

Problem: My chocolate chip cookies taste better the second day.

It’s getting to that second day that doesn’t happen.

Have you ever tried the recipe on the Tollhouse package? It’s very good.

389 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:29:03pm

re: #383 tshinkle

So one “expert” states an opinion contrary to the general consensus of his field, and that all of a sudden makes him the “leading expert” and therefore worthy of being listened to to the exclusion of all other scientists in his area of specialty. Right, I think I’ll pass on the lone nutjob opinion pieces in favor of, you know, actual science.

390 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:30:10pm

re: #383 tshinkle

AGW assumes that three things are going on:

AGW doesn’t “assume” anything, it’s people who assume.

391 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:31:12pm

re: #388 prairiefire

Have you ever tried the recipe on the Tollhouse package? It’s very good.

They’re all good. I’ve rarely met a chocolate chip cookie recipe that wasn’t good.

Ruth Wakefield, a grateful nation bows to you.

392 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:31:15pm

re: #389 thedopefishlives

Don’t fall for the old tactic (straight from the creationists playbook, btw), of some vague reference to a “scientist” supposedly quoted in some media.

393 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:32:44pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I’m the same way. Cars are one of the biggest rip offs in modern society but we cherish them so much. We pay absurd prices for something that loses about 50% of its value as soon as we purchase it and we pay absurd interest to banks to buy these things we can’t afford. We tire of them in a few years when they no longer feed our egos and repeat the process all over again because we imagine that other people in traffic admire our style even though most of them are driving the same cars.

We who?

394 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:33:06pm

re: #392 freetoken

Don’t fall for the old tactic (straight from the creationists playbook, btw), of some vague reference to a “scientist” supposedly quoted in some media.

Oh, I’m not. I should’ve put “expert” in quotes.

395 tshinkle  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:34:32pm

Not some expert, the foremost expert in the world on sea levels.

Sea Level Truth

396 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:34:52pm

By the way, the troll barbecue is open for business; tonight’s flavor is roasted garlic and herb.

397 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:35:23pm

BBIAB, I’m fixing a problem with a program.

398 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:36:42pm

re: #395 tshinkle

He’s also an expert on ‘dowsing:’

Morner claims to be an expert in “dowsing,” the practice of finding water, metals, gemstones etc. through the use of a Y-shaped twig.

Morner’s attempt to prove his dowsing abilities is chronicled by James Randi, the well-known myth buster, who has offered the longstanding One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.
desmogblog.com

399 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:37:01pm

re: #383 tshinkle

Do you understand that CO2 traps heat in atmosphere?

Do you understand that mankind has produced oodles of CO2, altering the concentration of CO2 in atmosphere?

If you do understand those, what exactly is there that’s mysterious about AGW to you?

400 Kragar  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:37:08pm

re: #395 tshinkle

Not some expert, the foremost expert in the world on sea levels.

Sea Level Truth

Your “expert” also believes in dowsing and won an award as “Deceiver of the Year”.

401 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:37:12pm

re: #395 tshinkle

He claims that the IPCC data is fraudulent, which is epic funny. At that point, I think that firmly establishes him in the crackpot hemisphere.

402 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:37:48pm

re: #395 tshinkle

Big fan of dowsing?

403 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:38:54pm

Sciency opinions for a dollar.

Morner was listed as an “allied expert” for a Canadian lobby group called the “Natural Resources Stewardship Project” (NRSP). The group appears to have ceased operations in 2008, but was originally led by executive directors Tom Harris and Dr. Tim Ball.

DeSmog uncovered that two of the three directors on the board of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project were registered energy industry lobbyists and senior executives of the High Park Advocacy Group, a Toronto-based lobby firm specializing in “energy, environment and ethics.”
desmogblog.com

404 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:40:05pm

re: #395 tshinkle

Bwahahah… the return of the dowser!! It’s been a long time since we’ve had a Morner fan show up. I remember calling attention to dowsing connection a few years ago, and I think it was around then that Charles realized just how looney some of the anti-science posters at the then LGF truly were.

405 freetoken  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:40:40pm

re: #403 jaunte

Good and sciency, just like the creationists love their sciency experts too.

406 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:40:55pm

When will the Left get around to hijacking dowsing?

407 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:41:03pm

re: #404 freetoken

When I was Googling him, I saw that noted skeptic James Randi challenged him. I would pay money to see that.

408 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:41:33pm

re: #378 ProLifeLiberal

Strange, Chrome is having massive problems on my computer in regards to speed. I’m using Firefox until it is fixed.

Give Opera a go if they have a version for your system. Much better in terms of performance than FF.

409 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:43:17pm

More about Morner:
Kook Lies About ‘Lies’

Several people have emailed this article to me today, and it’s been posted in our spinoff links twice already: Rise of sea levels is ‘the greatest lie ever told’.

The Telegraph’s Christopher Booker cites a Swedish “physicist,” Nils-Axel Mörner, who claims that every scientist and climate expert in the world is wrong, and that sea levels have not risen for 50 years.

410 tshinkle  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:45:00pm

You guys crack me up. I say you are good at calling “anti-science” and vilifying anybody who doesn’t jump in line behind your theology. And do you respond with facts that support your argument? No, you call me anti-science and vilify…nice job of supporting my argument.

Even Obama is bored with the AGW theory. I wonder how long until the next hysteria from the Left rears its head.

411 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:46:27pm

re: #410 tshinkle

You guys crack me up. I say you are good at calling “anti-science” and vilifying anybody who doesn’t jump in line behind your theology. And do you respond with facts that support your argument?

Yes, we do. For example, I noted that CO2 traps heat in atmosphere, and that mankind has produced a lot of CO2, enough to actually change the concentration in the atmosphere.

No, you call me anti-science and vilify…nice job of supporting my argument.

Actually we pointed out that your so-called expert believes in dowsing.

Do you believe in dowsing?

412 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:47:03pm

re: #410 tshinkle

We gave you plenty of facts. You’re just choosing to ignore them. And that’s why we call people like you “anti-science”, because you ignore the evidence right in front of your face.

Also, I find it amusing that you accuse the Left of generating hysteria, when it’s the right wing nutjobs who have been consistently latching on to every nontroversy they can generate, in the hope that it will go somewhere.

413 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:47:49pm
Dear Dr. Osipov:

It has come to my attention that Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner gave presentations at the seminar on climate change organized by the Russian Academy of Sciences at the request of President Vladimir Putin earlier this month. Dr. Mörner attacked the science of climate change, while claiming that he is President of the Commission on Sea Level Change of INQUA.

I am writing to inform you that Dr. Mörner has misrepresented his position with INQUA. Dr. Mörner was President of the Commission on Sea Level Change until July 2003, but the commission was terminated at that time during a reorganization of the commission structure of INQUA. Dr. Mörner currently has no formal position in INQUA, and I am distressed that he continues to represent himself in his former capacity. Further, INQUA, which is an umbrella organization for hundreds of researchers knowledgeable about past climate, does not subscribe to Mörner’s position on climate change. Nearly all of these researchers agree that humans are modifying Earth’s climate, a position diametrically opposed to Dr. Mörner’s point of view.

Sincerely,
John J. Clague
President, INQUA

littlegreenfootballs.com

414 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:52:57pm

re: #410 tshinkle

Presenting a proven crackpot and imposter as an authority to prove your case deserves at least a little vilification.

415 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:53:14pm

re: #410 tshinkle

You guys crack me up. I say you are good at calling “anti-science” and vilifying anybody who doesn’t jump in line behind your theology. And do you respond with facts that support your argument? No, you call me anti-science and vilify…nice job of supporting my argument.

Even Obama is bored with the AGW theory. I wonder how long until the next hysteria from the Left rears its head.

Do you know how clever you think you looked?.
It didn’t come off that way to the rest of us though.

416 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:59:21pm

re: #406 jaunte

When will the Left get around to hijacking dowsing?

I thought we started it.

417 Kragar  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:03:23pm

re: #416 prairiefire

I thought we started it.

The Right is trying to corner the market on magical thinking.

418 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:03:42pm

re: #395 tshinkle

Not some expert, the foremost expert in the world on sea levels.

Sea Level Truth

LOL! You’re citing a dowser as an expert on climate science. Massive fail.

419 thedopefishlives  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:05:33pm

re: #418 Charles

LOL! You’re citing a dowser as an expert on climate science. Massive fail.

Evening boss. Hope you don’t mind that we batted it around a little bit.

420 Lidane  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:08:26pm

re: #395 tshinkle

Not some expert, the foremost expert in the world on sea levels.

Sea Level Truth

LOL! You DO know that dowsing isn’t science, right?

Calling a dowser an expert on sea levels is like calling an astrologer an expert on quantum mechanics.

421 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:12:48pm

re: #383 tshinkle

hahaha what’s up, crazy

422 tshinkle  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:26:25pm

re: #421 WindUpBird

hahaha what’s up, crazy

Name calling and vilifying…you guys are good at something.

Everyone here is so blinded by their beliefs, you’re missing the point which is: Is sea level rising or not? If it’s not, then what exactly is the fear-mongering all about? By the way, can someone point me to the 50 million refugees caused by the rising tides?

So far the AGW crowd 100% incorrect on their predictions of the horrible consequences of Global Warming. (Unless you count the retroactive predictions of heat waves, blizzards, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes and droughts.) Maybe someone here would like to try to break the Susan Lucci-esque losing streak and get a prediction right.

423 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:26:49pm

re: #422 tshinkle

Is sea level rising or not?

Yes.

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:44:09pm

re: #422 tshinkle

suck it

425 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:45:55pm

globalwarmingart.com

426 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:54:30pm

re: #262 EmmmieG

We bought a new minivan in 1999.

It’s sitting in the garage right now.

My husband doesn’t want to gamble on anyone else’s maintenance.

same here, it drives me crazy —especially with the “certified pre-driven cars you get the manufacturers warranty.

427 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:58:35pm

re: #309 funky chicken

My dad’s a retired auto dealer, and he says if you want a new car every 3 years you should just lease.

I agree. There are alot of advantages to leasing. If you basically want to rent a car for 3 years and plan on having a car payment for the rest of your life, it makes sense.

I like to buy and and keep until they die and cannot be revived.

Hubby doesn’t want to worry about me in a car when he is out of town. So, we buy new.

428 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:59:29pm

re: #317 lawhawk

Chuthlu laughs at all this car talk. After all, everyone knows that the one true car to rule them all is the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.

That is beautiful!

429 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:01:15pm

Santa’s shrinking domain

430 Lidane  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:02:38pm

re: #422 tshinkle

Everyone here is so blinded by their beliefs

Says the person defending a dowser as a serious scientist. ROFL.

What’s next? Pointing to a phrenologist the next time there’s a study about Alzheimer’s in the news?

431 jaunte  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:04:33pm

Leftists have taken over the American Institute of Physics!

“Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth’s climate. These effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth’s history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century.”
aip.org

432 tnguitarist  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:06:23pm

re: #422 tshinkle

Remember when the right used to accuse the left of always playing the victim card?

433 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:23:56pm

re: #422 tshinkle

LOL. Think your crackpot douser has more credibility on this issue than, say, the US military?

“Changes in climate patterns and their impact on the physical environment can create profound effects on populations in parts of the world and present new challenges to global security and stability,” wrote Defense Science Board co-chairs, Larry Welch and Willian Howard in a letter preceding the DSB report, Trends and Implications of Climate Change for National and International Security.

“Failure to anticipate and mitigate these changes increases the threat of more failed states with the instabilities and potential for conflict inherent in such failures,” the DSB co-chairs warned.

And:

Such realities, coupled with a renewed focus on energy efficiency within the Obama administration, have prompted the Defense Department to set a more aggressive emission-reduction target than any other federal agency: 34 percent by 2020, instead of the 28 percent goal set for the federal government as a whole.

The United States military is the country’s largest energy consumer, and it is now embracing conservation and sustainability. The volatility of the oil market in recent years has made defense officials realize the importance of energy efficiency and reduced dependence on oil. Supply convoys that deliver fuel in combat zones are prime targets for attacks. Fewer convoys mean less vulnerability, making it safer to fight a war.

Why do you hate America? :)

434 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:47:57pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

…and we wonder why the 1% keep getting richer. It’s because we keep giving them our money.

Consumerism is not what is wrong with the system, no matter how much you want it to be and keep saying how smart Kalle Lasn is.

435 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Dec 5, 2011 2:26:03am

re: #434 000G

I agree, and I’m anti-consumerism.

But the problem isn’t how much stuff people want, it’s the way that stuff is made.


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