Breaking: Shootings at Virginia Tech

At the site of the deadliest mass shooting in US history

US NewsDecember 2011 • Views: 17,388

At Virginia Tech, where a student gunman killed 32 people before committing suicide in 2007, a policeman has been killed and there are reports of a second victim…

UPDATE at 12/8/11 11:00:21 am

AP now reports that the second shooting victim has died as well…

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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:00:02am

AP now reports that the second shooting victim has died...

Big Joe Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:00:37am

And a link to the scanner for the new thread. Here (it's getting slow to load)

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:01:01am

Is there something about this campus, or is it just unlucky?

I mean this sincerely. It could be something to do with the physical layout, the student body, or some other fact. Or is it just copycat?

dragonfire1981 Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:01:06am

Why does this particular school seem to have so many tragic incidents?

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:01:15am

The school really needs to improve its safety. Both this and the shooting a few years ago really hit close to home to me as a Virginian and college student with a lot of friends and family that have gone to or go to Tech.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:02:51am

The Collegiate Times is tweeting updates from campus. Here's the last two:

CollegiateTimes Collegiate Times
There are multiple reports of shots and police activity, but most pressing appears to be in Squires
1 minute ago

CollegiateTimes Collegiate Times
Students being moved to secure room is Squires Student Center. The Collegiate Times has been evacuated from its office, still has Internet
2 minutes ago

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:02:52am

re: #3 EmmmieG

Is there something about this campus, or is it just unlucky?

I mean this sincerely. It could be something to do with the physical layout, the student body, or some other fact. Or is it just copycat?

I guess the rules of chance really do apply--just because one student has gone off the rails and reached for a gun does not actually lower the odds of another student doing the same.

It might raise them, in fact.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:03:29am

re: #3 EmmmieG

. Or is it just copycat?

I'd be really unsurprised by this being the case. About the only thing needed to make it worse is some Virginia CC permit holder to decide to play John Wayne...

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:04:07am

re: #3 EmmmieG

Is there something about this campus, or is it just unlucky?

I mean this sincerely. It could be something to do with the physical layout, the student body, or some other fact. Or is it just copycat?

Not sure. I've never actually been down there. It's a big campus and Blacksburg is very much a town that relies heavily on the college Quite different from here in Fairfax where GMU while vital to the community is not the community. If that made any sense?

kirkspencer Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:04:54am

I'm not sure we need the 24 hour rule for this, but I've got some questions I think it's going to take time to resolve.

What were the circumstances? Was the policeman first, or second, and why was the other victim shot? So on, so forth.

Spree/rampage, or "just" a bad crime in a sensitive location?

Lidane Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:05:22am

Damn. That sucks. :(

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:06:26am

Know what this situation needs? More college students with concealed guns protecting themselves running around campus.

albusteve Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:07:28am

re: #8 wlewisiii

I'd be really unsurprised by this being the case. About the only thing needed to make it worse is some Virginia CC permit holder to decide to play John Wayne...

I rather take my chances with John Wayne than that Cho lunatic

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:07:35am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Know what this situation needs? More college students with concealed guns protecting themselves running around campus.

There actually was a protest in favor of that at GMU a few weeks back. I'm for responsible gun ownership but I think concealed guns on a campus would be a recipe for disaster. Would rather have kids smoking pot than having guns on campus.

lawhawk Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:09:47am

re: #10 kirkspencer

According to the NYT, a VA Tech cop made a routine traffic stop, and things went south from there.

The shooting took place around noon, a university spokesman said, after a campus police offer made what she described as a routine traffic stop in a parking lot near McComas Hall. During the stop, the officer was shot and killed, said the spokesman, Mark Owczarski, Director of News and Information.

Witnesses reported that the shooter fled on foot, heading toward a different parking lot, called the Cage, near Duck Pond Drive. At that parking lot, a second person was found, also dead. It was unclear whether that person had been shot.

An image posted online by the student sports newspaper the Collegiate Times appeared to show a cordoned off area and white sheet covering a body in the middle of a narrow road.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:09:56am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Not sure. I've never actually been down there. It's a big campus and Blacksburg is very much a town that relies heavily on the college Quite different from here in Fairfax where GMU while vital to the community is not the community. If that made any sense?

It does. I was up at State College, PA (community that essentially supports Penn State University) right after they had a shooting incident in 1996 where a student was fatally shot (by a non-student lying in ambush). A state of shock since a place you normally thought was safe and comfortable has suddenly proven dangerous - and perhaps randomly so. And thus arbitrarily it could have been you who got caught in the incident.

Things like this shake up these communities heavily since they are relatively isolated and also generally have a sort of "rural" feel to them with the belief that things are a bit more laid back and safer as compared to a more built-up area.

(Wiki link to incident mentioned above: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:09:57am

From CNN's live blog:

[Updated 1:56 p.m. ET] A Virginia Tech police officer has been shot and killed after making a traffic stop on the university's campus, Mark Owczarski, the university's director of news and information, said Thursday.

The suspect fled on foot toward another parking lot where a second person was also found dead, he said.

The shooter is still at large, he said.

kirkspencer Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:11:12am

re: #13 albusteve

I rather take my chances with John Wayne than that Cho lunatic

As I said in the previous thread, I can put myself in the position of Officer X, hearing one of mine has been shot and killed, seeing a student with handgun drawn. Even if I don't wind up shooting him, I'm going to waste precious time dealing with him.

Worse, I see Student Y (with handgun drawn, or at least carrying) see Student Z running with handgun drawn.

I can't see any good resolution here barring luck.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:11:14am

re: #13 albusteve

I rather take my chances with John Wayne than that Cho lunatic

Ever had any training, Steve? Been in the military?

I have. I carry daily.

Some idiot who thinks he's a f***ing hero is the worst possible thing in this kind of situation. The police have enough to deal with without that.

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:11:22am

re: #16 oaktree

It does. I was up at State College, PA (community that essentially supports Penn State University) right after they had a shooting incident in 1996 where a student was fatally shot (by a non-student lying in ambush). A state of shock since a place you normally thought was safe and comfortable has suddenly proven dangerous - and perhaps randomly so. And thus arbitrarily it could have been you who got caught in the incident.

Things like this shake up these communities heavily since they are relatively isolated and also generally have a sort of "rural" feel to them with the belief that things are a bit more laid back and safer as compared to a more built-up area.

(Wiki link to incident mentioned above: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Agree about the rural feel since Blacksburg where Tech is just that. Ditto Harrisonburg where James Madison is.

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:13:54am

re: #8 wlewisiii

I'd be really unsurprised by this being the case. About the only thing needed to make it worse is some Virginia CC permit holder to decide to play John Wayne...

Yeah the John Wayne wannabe would really complicate things for the cops. And there's always the possibility of someone getting caught in the crossfire. Not every shot is going to be dead on accurate.

albusteve Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:14:46am

re: #19 wlewisiii

Ever had any training, Steve? Been in the military? I

have. I carry daily.

Some idiot who thinks he's f***ing hero is the worst possible thing in this kind of situation. The police have enough to deal with without that.

right, well John Wayne was an actor...I answered rhetoric with rhetoric

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:15:11am

re: #19 wlewisiii

The school shootings of Kip Kinkle in Oregon were not nearly as bad as they might have been because a few male students decided to take him out. They didn't have guns, but they tackled him (at least one was badly wounded in the process), and stopped his rampage.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:17:20am

re: #23 EmmmieG

The school shootings of Kip Kinkle in Oregon were not nearly as bad as they might have been because a few male students decided to take him out. They didn't have guns, but they tackled him (at least one was badly wounded in the process), and stopped his rampage.

The Penn State shooting I referred to above was stopped by a student tackling the shooter while they were trying to reload.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:17:21am

re: #23 EmmmieG

The school shootings of Kip Kinkle in Oregon were not nearly as bad as they might have been because a few male students decided to take him out. They didn't have guns, but they tackled him (at least one was badly wounded in the process), and stopped his rampage.

This guy was unarmed.

Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:17:31am

re: #23 EmmmieG

The school shootings of Kip Kinkle in Oregon were not nearly as bad as they might have been because a few male students decided to take him out. They didn't have guns, but they tackled him (at least one was badly wounded in the process), and stopped his rampage.

There was the woman who stopped that church shooting a couple of years ago, but IIRC she was an off duty or a retired police officer.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:18:41am

Christian Anti-Defamation Commission: 10 REASONS WHY BARACK OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN

Epic fail.

kirkspencer Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:21:46am

re: #15 lawhawk

Thank you.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:22:28am

re: #4 dragonfire1981

The murder at Yale meant that during the year my wife was applying to med school, Yale got a lot fewer people applying.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:22:34am

CNN's live blog:

[Updated 2:10 p.m. ET] Six agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are at Virginia Tech to help with the response to Thursday's shooting, ATF spokesman Scot Thomasson said, according to CNN's Carol Cratty. Twenty additional agents are on standby, he added.

"The agents are very familiar with the campus and the buildings" because they have worked with Blacksburg police since the 2007 mass shooting on campus, Thomasson said.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:23:36am

re: #26 Alouette

There was the woman who stopped that church shooting a couple of years ago, but IIRC she was an off duty or a retired police officer.

IIRC, she was employed as security by the church and so was armed at the time.

wilburs Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:25:53am

re: #26 Alouette

There was the woman who stopped that church shooting a couple of years ago, but IIRC she was an off duty or a retired police officer.

Did you know that she later got kicked out of the church for coming out as gay?

Evidently their gratitude didn't extend very far.

Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:27:54am

re: #32 wilburs

Did you know that she later got kicked out of the church for coming out as gay?

Evidently their gratitude didn't extend very far.

I did not know that.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:28:19am

CollegiateTimes Collegiate Times
Reports of recent gunshots on campus are unfounded, according to VT
1 minute ago
CollegiateTimes Collegiate Times
Police are interested in a maroon Mitsubishi car, not sure if that is suspect
2 minutes ago

jamiechung Jamie Chung
by CollegiateTimes
London is giving me a call back at the top of the hour. Aight mates. Just got more photos from the performance arts building. Stand by....
4 minutes ago

BHockersmith Brett Hockersmith
by CollegiateTimes
@CollegiateTimes 6 ATF agents are on campus, 20 others on standby. FBI rushing agents down also
6 minutes ago

Eventual Carrion Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:28:54am

re: #32 wilburs

Did you know that she later got kicked out of the church for coming out as gay?

Evidently their gratitude didn't extend very far.

But I would bet if it came down to it again she would protect them no matter how they treated her. This is conjecture of course, but I would put money on it.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:29:06am

re: #32 wilburs

Did you know that she later got kicked out of the church for coming out as gay?

Evidently their gratitude didn't extend very far.

Oy. I hadn't heard that. Morons.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:29:19am

It kind of sounds like it may 'just' be a fugitive running onto the campus.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:29:35am

Perry: Because Obama Is A ‘Member Of The Left,’ He Is To Blame For Imaginary ‘War On Religion’

PERRY: We’ve got a federal judge, for instance, in San Antonio that said these kids can’t say an invocation at school. I mean, they say you can’t even use the word “invocation” at their commencement.

BLITZER: Is that President Obama’s war on religion?

PERRY: I’m just giving you some examples of what we’re seeing from the left, of which, I would suggest to you, President Obama is a member of the left and, uh, substantial left of center beliefs.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:29:43am

jamiechung Jamie Chung
by CollegiateTimes
London is giving me a call back at the top of the hour. Aight mates. Just got more photos from the performance arts building. Stand by....
2 minutes ago
BHockersmith Brett Hockersmith
by CollegiateTimes
@CollegiateTimes 6 ATF agents are on campus, 20 others on standby. FBI rushing agents down also
4 minutes ago

CollegiateTimes Collegiate Times
RT @kburkeVT: Just got back from picking my roommate off campus. Cops were surrounding Torg and Squires. #VirginiaTech
6 minutes ago

Charleston Chew Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:29:46am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Christian Anti-Defamation Commission: 10 REASONS WHY BARACK OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN

Epic fail.

Also, BIBLE FAIL -- Professional douche Dr. Gary L Cass sez:

Obama advocates for failed Marxist/socialist economic schemes that are based on envy and class warfare that divides the country and uses the government to steal from one group to give it to another.

Hey, Jesus, what do you think about rich people?

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:30:05am

Live streaming from WDBJ:
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:30:08am

re: #35 RayFerd

But I would bet if it came down to it again she would protect them no matter how they treated her. This is conjecture of course, but I would put money on it.

Be a hell of a way to do a modern dress rewrite of "High Noon"...

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:30:41am

Collegiate Times pictures

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:32:21am

Sounds like a SWAT team is about ready to do a search of the campus for the suspect and/or evacuating the students.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:34:24am

Damn. That's all I can say. :(

albusteve Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:36:41am

I wonder if the cars was his, barrowed or stolen?...does he intend to get away or go down swinging or just give up?....what's in the pack?...this will be interesting to see how it shakes out

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:37:19am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry: Because Obama Is A ‘Member Of The Left,’ He Is To Blame For Imaginary ‘War On Religion’

So, Obama's to blame because a federal judge made a ruling he didn't like. And there Rick goes again making it seem like to the true believing idiots in the audience that being on the left means you're anti religion. Never heard of MLK, Norman Thomas, and others have you Ricky?

Charleston Chew Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:40:01am

2 people shot to death. I wonder who the other 25 will be today.*

*Approximately 27 people are killed every day in the US by guns. For what it's worth.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:40:05am

VTmorrison Michael Morrison
by CollegiateTimes
A view from Torg Bridge imgur.com/a/1dH9z people are now coming *to* torg bridge
3 minutes ago

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:40:12am

VT presser here:

[Link: www.wdbj7.com...]

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:41:07am

re: #48 Charleston Chew

2 people shot to death. I wonder who the other 25 will be today.*

*Approximately 27 people are killed every day in the US by guns. For what it's worth.

I know what you're getting at but in a literal sense I doubt those were the first gun deaths of the day. That's a troubling stat though.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:42:01am

FSB tried to press the site VKontakte (the Russian analog of Facebook) to close several opposition groups without reason. Pavel Durov, the head of VKontakte, tweeted this official response to FSB:

[Link: twitter.com...]

(the first pic is the FSB request, the second is the reply)

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:42:45am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

So, Obama's to blame because a federal judge made a ruling he didn't like. And there Rick goes again making it seem like to the true believing idiots in the audience that being on the left means you're anti religion. Never heard of MLK, Norman Thomas, and others have you Ricky?

I blame Perry for every episode of Walker, Texas Ranger because they're both related to Texas.

Charleston Chew Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:43:00am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

I know what you're getting at but in a literal sense I doubt those were the first gun deaths of the day. That's a troubling stat though.

I wonder if any one has a stat on which hour of the day the most murders on average take place. I would bet late evening. After people been doing some drankin'.

kirkspencer Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:45:30am

re: #48 Charleston Chew

2 people shot to death. I wonder who the other 25 will be today.*

*Approximately 27 people are killed every day in the US by guns. For what it's worth.

34, not 27.

(CDC faststats, 2007 as most recent data, dividing 12,632 firearm homicides by 365 days. Does not include firearm suicides.)

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:45:44am

re: #48 Charleston Chew

2 people shot to death. I wonder who the other 25 will be today.*

*Approximately 27 people are killed every day in the US by guns. For what it's worth.

And about 115 will die in car crashes today as well. What should we do with these statistics?

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:46:19am

re: #54 Charleston Chew

I wonder if any one has a stat on which hour of the day the most murders on average take place. I would bet late evening. After people been doing some drankin'.

Not sure but that's a reasonable bet.

zora Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:47:15am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

Godless Heathens Fight Back

A response to Rick Perry's latest ad running in Iowa and New Hampshire.

that's because you are a godless heathen.

Charleston Chew Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:47:32am

re: #56 wlewisiii

And about 115 will die in car crashes today as well. What should we do with these statistics?

Think.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:51:36am

re: #58 zora

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

Godless Heathens Fight Back

that's because you are a godless heathen.

Hey, I'm not godless. I support the beliefs of multiple imaginary friends with super powers.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:51:55am

CTSportsTalk Collegiate Times
by CollegiateTimes
Owczarski could not confirm if this had to do with this armed robbery in Radford, VA [Link: www2.wsls.com...]
2 minutes ago

From the link:

Police in Radford are investigating an armed robbery at a real estate office.

Officers responded to the rental office of Gilbert Real Estate on the 600 Block of Calhoun Street around 11:25 a.m. Employees said a man entered the office with a handgun.

According to the release, the suspect demanded the keys to an employees car when he left. That car is a 2011 white Mercedes SUV with Virginia Tag # KLF-6778.

The suspect is believed to be armed and dangerous.

Here is the full release from Radford Police:

On 12/07/11 at approximately 11:25 hours officers from the Radford City Police Department responded to the rental office of Gilbert Real Estate on the 600 Block of Calhoun Street in reference to a robbery. Once on scene, officers located employees of Gilbert Real Estate who stated a male had entered the premises armed with a black in color hand gun.

The suspect demanded keys to a staff member’s vehicle when he left the premises. The vehicle is a 2011 white in color Mercedes SUV with Virginia tag # KLF-6778. The offender is described as a college age white male, wearing dark colored clothes and a dark colored baseball style cap.

This subject is believed to be armed and dangerous. Anyone with information in regards to this incident should contact the Radford City Police Department at[no phone numbers allowed]. If you encounter this vehicle please call 911 immediately.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:52:36am

Gotta go work.

Later!

reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:53:19am

re: #55 kirkspencer

Most "handgun "violence/deaths are in Metropolitian areas with the strictest gun laws in the nation... rife with gangs/drugs and 90% of the Perps are restricted from even being in a residence where a gun is kept much less carrying one in the commision of doin their "buisness"...
Just sayin....
I've got stats somewhere at home...
D.C. is a perfect example...

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:53:47am

re: #56 wlewisiii

And about 115 will die in car crashes today as well. What should we do with these statistics?

Arm the cars with guns?

reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:53:59am

re: #59 Charleston Chew

Think.

...AND GET OFF THE G**DAMN PHONE!!

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:54:13am

re: #64 oaktree

Arm the cars with guns?

I thank you for playing Twisted Metal.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:55:36am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I thank you for playing Twisted Metal.

I'm Old School. Car Wars.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:56:18am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I thank you for playing Twisted Metal.

Announcer: "Your prize is a nice new microbox of the classic Steve Jackson Game, "Car Wars". Let's give our contestant a big hand!"

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:56:48am

re: #67 oaktree

I'm Old School. Car Wars.

Auto Duel anyone?

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:57:33am

re: #67 oaktree

I'm Old School. Car Wars.

Way to make me feel like a kid bringing up a franchise that was introduced in the 90's.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 11:57:58am

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Auto Duel anyone?

Uncle Albert's Auto Stop & Gunnery Shop!

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:00:32pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Way to make me feel like a kid bringing up a franchise that was introduced in the 90's.

Heh. Thanks for making a reference that got me dredging up memories of wargaming weekends in the basement of the fraternity house in 1984. Pizza, Pepsi, beer, and marathon gaming sessions (AH Civilization, Car Wars, Paranoia etc.) that lasted two days. And never play Toon while drunk.

Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:00:57pm

Gaza militants fire rockets at Israel's south following IDF strike

Grad missile lands near southern city of Be'er Sheva, Qassam lands in open field in western Negev; Palestinians report first IDF airstrike of Gaza City since 2009.

Charleston Chew Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:02:29pm

re: #63 reloadingisnotahobby

Most "handgun "violence/deaths are in Metropolitian areas with the strictest gun laws in the nation... rife with gangs/drugs and 90% of the Perps are restricted from even being in a residence where a gun is kept much less carrying one in the commision of doin their "buisness"...
Just sayin...
I've got stats somewhere at home...
D.C. is a perfect example...

City gun restrictions in the gun-lovin' USA work about as well as the non-smoking section in a diner full of smokers.

Romantic Heretic Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:02:32pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Know what this situation needs? More college students with concealed guns protecting themselves running around campus.

Man, the fun I could have with a string of firecrackers in such a case.

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:02:36pm

re: #72 oaktree

Heh. Thanks for making a reference that got me dredging up memories of wargaming weekends in the basement of the fraternity house in 1984. Pizza, Pepsi, beer, and marathon gaming sessions (AH Civilization, Car Wars, Paranoia etc.) that lasted two days. And never play Toon while drunk.

Sounds like good times.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:03:06pm

re: #72 oaktree

And ~~never~~ always play Toon while drunk.

Romantic Heretic Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:04:22pm

re: #72 oaktree

Heh. Thanks for making a reference that got me dredging up memories of wargaming weekends in the basement of the fraternity house in 1984. Pizza, Pepsi, beer, and marathon gaming sessions (AH Civilization, Car Wars, Paranoia etc.) that lasted two days. And never play Toon while drunk.

I was more a D&D, Kingmaker and Squad Leader fan myself. Never played Toon but it looked like a hoot. Illuminati was a hoot as well. I liked playing the UFOs.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:04:34pm

re: #72 oaktree

Heh. Thanks for making a reference that got me dredging up memories of wargaming weekends in the basement of the fraternity house in 1984. Pizza, Pepsi, beer, and marathon gaming sessions (AH Civilization, Car Wars, Paranoia etc.) that lasted two days. And never play Toon while drunk.

Pfff. Paranoia and Toon are both a hoot when toasted. Especially Paranoia. Or Paranoid Toon which happened occasionally as well.

Ah, I miss the old days - Traveller, Runequest, D&D/AD&D...

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:05:59pm

I wonder how much a good pinball machine would go for. Would love to have that in my future bachelor's pad.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:07:32pm

re: #79 wlewisiii

Pfff. Paranoia and Toon are both a hoot when toasted. Especially Paranoia. Or Paranoid Toon which happened occasionally as well.

Ah, I miss the old days - Traveller, Runequest, D&D/AD&D...

The good ole days when you could use Squats and the Imperial Guard had platoons of Beastmen or field a Genestealer Cult Army.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:09:16pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The good ole days when you could use Squats and the Imperial Guard had platoons of Beastmen or field a Genestealer Cult Army.

I presume that's from Warhamster 40k?

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:09:33pm

re: #79 wlewisiii

Pfff. Paranoia and Toon are both a hoot when toasted. Especially Paranoia. Or Paranoid Toon which happened occasionally as well.

Ah, I miss the old days - Traveller, Runequest, D&D/AD&D...

I probably need to qualify that as group drunk to near incoherency. Buzzed did open up a lot of inhibitions and not being uptight about "falling down".

Did also play Traveller, AD&D, Champions, Runequest, etc. in that time period. That was one of the clique divisions in the fraternity - the gamers and anti-gamers.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:11:08pm

re: #82 wlewisiii

I presume that's from Warhamster 40k?

Rogue Trader days.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:11:27pm

re: #83 oaktree

I probably need to qualify that as group drunk to near incoherency. Buzzed did open up a lot of inhibitions and not being uptight about "falling down".

Did also play Traveller, AD&D, Champions, Runequest, etc. in that time period. That was one of the clique divisions in the fraternity - the gamers and anti-gamers.

Heh. Champions. It could be fun with a really good GM, butI've never liked point build systems since then.

Kragar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:12:10pm

re: #83 oaktree

I probably need to qualify that as group drunk to near incoherency. Buzzed did open up a lot of inhibitions and not being uptight about "falling down".

Did also play Traveller, AD&D, Champions, Runequest, etc. in that time period. That was one of the clique divisions in the fraternity - the gamers and anti-gamers.

We had a big Cyberpunk group back in the day. That and a White Wolf gaming group.

darthstar Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:14:59pm

Perry's ad got a response...

Youtube Video

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:15:44pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I wonder how much a good pinball machine would go for. Would love to have that in my future bachelor's pad.

Depends on the pinball! A few hundred to a few thousand

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:16:00pm

From WDBJ's new article:

UPDATED 3:08 p.m.: The rest area in Radford off of Interstate 81 is closed indefinitely.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:16:57pm

re: #87 darthstar

leave the governing to sodomites and infidels!

HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:18:08pm

re: #88 WindUpBird

Depends on the pinball! A few hundred to a few thousand

Few hundred would be a bargain. Gonna do some looking. I love, love pinball.

Sionainn Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:18:19pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Christian Anti-Defamation Commission: 10 REASONS WHY BARACK OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN

Epic fail.

Since then we've only gotten ~~stronger~~ ~~and~~ more ~~effective~~creative at ~~creating~~ ~~and spreading our message~~making up lies.

Fixed that for them.

I find it interesting that they have the words "anti-defamation" in their name.

albusteve Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:18:33pm

re: #88 WindUpBird

Depends on the pinball! A few hundred to a few thousand

all my pinballs are solid gold

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:19:46pm

re: #85 wlewisiii

Heh. Champions. It could be fun with a really good GM, butI've never liked point build systems since then.

My take from RPGs over the past thirty years is that a good GM and group of players could make just about any system work and that a poorly working group of players could wreck any system. Therefore you selected and worked with a system that fit the game style and genre being run and you hopefully had a good group to work with. Some systems were easier to work with, some tried to do everything, etc.

I thought Champions was a bit clunky, tempted one to min/max heavily, and was dominated by DEX stat to a certain degree. (I think GURPS was as well when I looked at it.) The last time I did superhero genre a few years back was using Mutants & Masterminds system which I think was an interesting D20 variant for attempting the particular issues of that genre.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:22:29pm

re: #86 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We had a big Cyberpunk group back in the day. That and a White Wolf gaming group.

I played Shadowrun once in that general time period. Group fell through. Some interesting concepts and background, but I had some issues with the system and especially how "deckers" fit into it without bringing the game to a grinding halt. (I drew the parallel to how psionics was implemented in AD&D 1st Ed.)

Varek Raith Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:27:50pm

DEATH TO MIN/MAXERS!!!
Damn powerlamers.
///
:P

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:31:28pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

DEATH TO MIN/MAXERS!!!
Damn powerlamers.
///
:P

Purist! I bet your Skyrim character has levels in knitting!

;)

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 12:32:06pm

UPDATED 3:23 p.m.: The entrance ramp headed north on I-81 at the Radford rest area is closed.

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 1:06:01pm

UPDATED 4:02 p.m.: State police tell NEWS7's Melissa Gaona that there was a suspicious person that went into the restroom at the Radford rest area and changed clothes there.
They are questioning the witness who saw the suspicious person.

100

General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 1:14:48pm

UPDATED 4:12 p.m. NEWS7's Chris Hurst reports that VT students in select buildings are being allowed to leave at their own risk.

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General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Dec 8, 2011 1:31:06pm

OT, but on the VT shootings, there are two different unconfirmed reports, 1) a weapon has been recovered near the location of the 2nd shooting, and 2) the second victim may in fact be the gunman. Again, unconfirmed.

Spy Mode Auto

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