Mitt Romney Says All Muslims Aren’t Violent Terrorists, Pamela Geller Freaks Right Out

But she loves Muslims
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Following Mitt Romney’s statement that he believes most Muslims are peaceful people like everyone else, Pamela Geller is totally freaking out: MITT ROMNEY: “ISLAM IS NOT AN INHERENTLY VIOLENT FAITH”????!! - Atlas Shrugs

Mommy loves youNot Mitt Romney. No way. No how.

Apparently, unlike most everything else, Mitt Romney has not flip-flopped on his position on jihad and Islam. Back in July 2009, I wrote in a post entitled, “Why Romney Won’t be President” that Romney would not be president because he said something so fundamentally and unabashedly wrong about America’s greatest mortal threat that he was unfit to be President: “Jihadism Is not part of Islam.” Yes, he said that. That is frightening coming from a Presidential candidate. Instead of spending the ensuing years studying jihad, Romney appears hardwired for delusion in his latest remarks.

The fact that Romney knows peaceful Muslims is purely anecdotal. I believe that most Muslims are secular and have no desire to strap one on. But that does not mean that Islam is not inherently violent. The ideology is the most violent and radical on the face of the earth. What history books is Romney reading……Dr. Seuss? How did Romney miss over 270 million victims in over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements? How did Romney miss the close to 18,000 Islamic attacks since 911? How did Romney miss the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc.? How did Romney miss the jihad on the Jews and Christians and Hindus and Sikhs?

There are hundreds of millions of jihadis, what’s Romney smokin’?

What you believe is irrelevant, Mr. Romney. Just the facts, and they fly in the face of your fantasy.

Romney sounds like ………. Obama.

Romney cannot lead the free world. A basic understanding of Islam is essential in formulating policy and strategy in dealing with Iran, Israel, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Europe, Eurasia, etc.

UPDATE: Gingrich, OTOH, is brilliant on these issues, head and shoulders.

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301 comments
1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:44:26pm

Anybody care for some popcorn? I have a feeling this is going to be an entertaining spectacle.

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:45:45pm

And she loves Newt. Wonder if that had anything with him declaring today that Palestinians are "fictional"?

3 jaunte  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:46:02pm
"Gingrich, OTOH, is brilliant on these issues, head and shoulders."

Gingrich will never be President, personal guarantee by Ms. Wrong.

4 EdDantes  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:46:28pm

"Romney sounds like ………. Obama."
And George W. Bush

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:47:13pm

This post has caused muslima.com to come back up as an ad.

Lovely ladies, but I'm not their targeted audience, not being in the market for a wife or girlfriend of any sort.

6 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:48:15pm

Those MFer's are f**** violent!

7 dragonfire1981  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:50:25pm

Here's how Pam Gellers foreign policy would work out:

US President: all Muslims are treacherous scumbag pigs out to destroy America. Allah is a God of evil!

Several mideast nations: launch the nukes! Death to America!

US President: oh shit

8 jaunte  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:52:56pm
"land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements"

Pam might have missed a semester or two.
[Link: necrometrics.com...]

9 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:54:13pm

re: #7 dragonfire1981

Here's how Pam Gellers foreign policy would work out:

US President: all Muslims are treacherous scumbag pigs out to destroy America. Allah is a God of evil!

Several mideast nations: launch the nukes! Death to America!

US President: oh shit See, I told you! Commence the crusades!

FTFY.

10 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:54:26pm

Pretty amazing when stating the fact that 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS aren't ALL violent terrorists makes one a moderate.

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:54:43pm

Pam is a crazy bigot. It doesn't get any complex than that. It's sad that Romney's position can be said to be moderate or even progressive within today's Republican party though.

12 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:54:48pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Anybody care for some popcorn? I have a feeling this is going to be an entertaining spectacle.

Mittens is now playing to the Indies and Mods. Interesting. I thought he would continue to throw red meat to The Base until the spring. I suspect he realizes that The Base will never support him (because he's a cultist and an Obamacare creator) and that the only way to get the nom is to gallop to the center right, where slightly more sane people exist.

Damn. And I *so* wanted Newt to do well. But let's see how it plays. Let's see how crazy the R's have really become. Will they really torpedo the *only* candidate they have who could *possibly* beat Obama?

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:55:47pm

"land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements"

This is a pretty accurate description of the history of mankind. Everywhere.

14 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:58:39pm

re: #13 EmmmieG

"land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements"

This is a pretty accurate description of the history of mankind. Everywhere.

Good thing the Judeo-Christian West has no blood on its hands! That would be hypocritical.

Oh, wait...

15 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:59:06pm

re: #12 austin_blue

Damn. And I *so* wanted Newt to do well. But let's see how it plays. Let's see how crazy the R's have really become. Will they really torpedo the *only* candidate they have who could *possibly* beat Obama?

I think we would disagree on the chances that Mitt could beat Obama, but be that as it may, yes, they totally will torpedo him if that's what it takes to get a complete right-wing nutjob on the ticket. You've seen the kinds of displays they've put on at the debates.

16 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 7:59:09pm

re: #13 EmmmieG

"land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements"

This is a pretty accurate description of the history of mankind. Everywhere.

Pretty much. A lot of religious faiths are guilty of atrocities.

17 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:02:43pm

Remember, the circus pulls into Des Moines tomorrow night.

I wonder if this topic will be breached at all?

18 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:03:50pm

re: #14 austin_blue

Good thing the Judeo-Christian West has no blood on its hands! That would be hypocritical.

Oh, wait...

The argument now seems to be trying to argue that "Yeah, Christians engaged in a lot of blood spilling, torture, and general douchebaggery, but not as bad as Muslims have!"

19 Firstinla  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:04:12pm

re: #13 EmmmieG

"land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements"

This is a pretty accurate description of the history of mankind. Everywhere.

This is something that might be also applied to the *glory* days of the U.S.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:05:48pm

re: #19 Firstinla

This is something that might be also applied to the *glory* days of the U.S.

Can you name actual indigenous cultures? There are a few. Basques. Ainu.

Everywhere else the residents are, um, immigrants.

Youtube Video
21 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:05:51pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The argument now seems to be trying to argue that "Yeah, Christians engaged in a lot of blood spilling, torture, and general douchebaggery, but not as bad as Muslims have!"

The interesting thing for me has been groups like Youth For Western Civilization justifying the brutality of the Crusades. Crusades were terrible, terrible things.

22 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:06:58pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

I think we would disagree on the chances that Mitt could beat Obama, but be that as it may, yes, they totally will torpedo him if that's what it takes to get a complete right-wing nutjob on the ticket. You've seen the kinds of displays they've put on at the debates.

Maybe, but you have to understand that politics is all about power, and power is all about money. It's not about they, as The Base would like to think. The people with the money are backing Mittens and I assume that those shakers and movers are molto nervoso right now. Perry self-destructed, Cain was properly destroyed, and everybody else but Newton is a blip. Newt has no more baggage to expose to The Base. It's all out there. As I said, interesting times!

23 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:08:09pm

re: #12 austin_blue

Mittens is now playing to the Indies and Mods. Interesting. I thought he would continue to throw red meat to The Base until the spring. I suspect he realizes that The Base will never support him (because he's a cultist and an Obamacare creator) and that the only way to get the nom is to gallop to the center right, where slightly more sane people exist.

Damn. And I *so* wanted Newt to do well. But let's see how it plays. Let's see how crazy the R's have really become. Will they really torpedo the *only* candidate they have who could *possibly* beat Obama?

Romney has been running for President for at least four years, and the Base has yet to warm up to him. He better hope Gingrich blows himself up, because Newt has the conservative street cred Romney can't hope to match.

24 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:09:03pm

Hundreds of millions of Jihadis?

25 jvic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:10:15pm

re: #13 EmmmieG

"land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements"

This is a pretty accurate description of the history of mankind. Everywhere.

1. Heh. Seems like my week to quote Thucydides:

For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretences...since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

2. I do not say that this is inevitable. I do say that idealism and good intentions are inadequate to exorcise it. I do say that it is suicidal folly to ignore how ingrained this is into how humans conduct their affairs.

26 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:10:20pm
America's greatest mortal threat

Pamela Geller and he minions of haters are America's greatest mortal threat. Ignorance is virtue, hate is love, war is peace.

27 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:11:23pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

The interesting thing for me has been groups like Youth For Western Civilization justifying the brutality of the Crusades. Crusades were terrible, terrible things.

As I recall a lot of the time their victims were other Christians. I know Byzantium got sacked once.

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:12:22pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

As I recall a lot of the time their victims were other Christians. I know Byzantium got sacked once.

There was that lovely time in England when they kept killing each other over Christianity. Oh, wait, they were doing that in France, too.

29 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:14:53pm
Pamela is one of the nation's most vigorous opponents of bigoted violence.- John Hinderaker, Powerline

Hah!

30 Firstinla  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:14:55pm

The national GOP has dug itself into a hole. I still believe that there is a huge number of very sane, pragmatic and interested Rupublicans who are simply quiet. They understand all the current blah-blah, the posturing and general insanity that keeps the far right roiled up, for what it is. I'm ever the optimist.

31 jvic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:15:14pm

re: #28 EmmmieG

There was that lovely time in England when they kept killing each other over Christianity. Oh, wait, they were doing that in France, too.

We'll see it here too if, heaven forbid, the Dominionists ever establish their theocracy.

32 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:15:16pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

The interesting thing for me has been groups like Youth For Western Civilization justifying the brutality of the Crusades. Crusades were terrible, terrible things.

Yeah, it's like invoking the name "Cordoba" as a way of invoking the spectre of "evil, creeping sharia!", then skipping over the part about how, when the Christians retook the city, anybody who didn't up under the blade were tortured until converted or died, if they weren't just run out of town. Even the Christians who had lived peacefully under Muslim rule could find themselves the subject of their "saviors" tender mercies.

33 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:15:19pm

One question for the lizards of the early days:

Was Pamela Geller ever sane?

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:15:30pm

re: #28 EmmmieG

There was that lovely time in England when they kept killing each other over Christianity. Oh, wait, they were doing that in France, too.

In Asia they just stuck to land and power, which I'm sure was a comfort to their victims.

35 jaunte  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:15:51pm

re: #33 RadicalModerate

She was always a self-promoter.

36 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:16:16pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

As I recall a lot of the time their victims were other Christians. I know Byzantium got sacked once.

You'd be right. The Crusaders saw Eastern Rite Christians as not being real Christians. They also targeted Jews and Muslims of course.

37 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:17:02pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, it's like invoking the name "Cordoba" as a way of invoking the spectre of "evil, creeping sharia!", then skipping over the part about how, when the Christians retook the city, anybody who didn't up under the blade were tortured until converted or died, if they weren't just run out of town. Even the Christians who had lived peacefully under Muslim rule could find themselves the subject of their "saviors" tender mercies.

I'm grateful we live in a fairly secular society daily.

38 Michael McBacon  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:22:10pm

...

39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:23:32pm

re: #33 RadicalModerate

One question for the lizards of the early days:

Was Pamela Geller ever sane?

She was what you would call toned down, but she has always been virulently anti-jihad. After Charles made his break with the anti-jihadders, her and Robert Spencer totally swan-dived off the deep end and came out as blatantly anti-Muslim. They've been spewing the derp ever since.

40 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:23:49pm

re: #31 jvic

We'll see it here too if, heaven forbid, the Dominionists ever establish their theocracy.

Given Pam's support of ethnic cleansing (see her support of Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic as an example), does this surprise you at all?

41 Kragar  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:23:54pm

A cunning stunt from a stunning ....

42 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:26:46pm

In other news Romney claims to love science then insults the scientific process and confuses entirely different scientific projects with each other (cold fusion vs. superconductivity).

[Link: campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com...]

I do believe in basic science. I believe in participating in space. I believe in analysis of new sources of energy. I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with -- with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that. We somehow can’t figure out how to duplicate it

LOL, way to affirm that you really believe in basic science.

43 zora  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:30:19pm

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

i hear he gets paid quite a bit for history lessons.

44 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:32:48pm

According to tomorrow's circus stage managers:

“Our new debate plan gives some relief to a crowded debate schedule for the candidates, while also providing voters a substantive debate format that promises to yield important and relevant information about the candidates.”

So, they promise important information about the candidates. What's the odds that will really happen?

I wonder if they will query Newt about his statement about Palestinians? Will they ask Santorum about too much science in schools? Will they inquire of Perry why anybody actually needs insurance if everybody is "covered"?

45 zora  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:33:08pm

re: #24 JasonA

at least.

46 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:35:50pm

re: #44 freetoken

According to tomorrow's circus stage managers:

So, they promise important information about the candidates. What's the odds that will really happen?

I wonder if they will query Newt about his statement about Palestinians? Will they ask Santorum about too much science in schools? Will they inquire of Perry why anybody actually needs insurance if everybody is "covered"?

Woah there! Now why would any of that be relevant? This is the debate where we find out which candidate God prefers.


....the most.

47 zora  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:36:29pm

re: #44 freetoken

inquiring minds would also like to know why santorum believes that no americans have died from lack of health insurance.

48 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:36:42pm

re: #46 prononymous

This is the debate where we find out which candidate God prefers.

...the most.

That would be Herman Cain.

49 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:37:50pm

GOP debate, GOP questions. Maybe we'll get good questions in the national election debates, but we will see.

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:37:57pm

re: #47 zora

inquiring minds would also like to know why santorum believes that no americans have died from lack of health insurance.

How will he top his own crazy


He may have peaked! Maybe he'll leap on top of Romney at the next debate and try and hex him

51 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:38:33pm

re: #33 RadicalModerate

One question for the lizards of the early days:

Was Pamela Geller ever sane?

After 2001? No.

52 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:39:52pm

re: #48 freetoken

That would be Herman Cain.

My understanding is that if God likes you then you do well. So the candidate God wants to win is whichever one is the richest.


Too bad for republicans though, God isn't registered to vote.

53 Lidane  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:40:56pm

I was wondering when Pam would have another meltdown. ROFL.

She's got a hell of a Berserk Button.

54 Michael McBacon  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:42:07pm

re: #48 freetoken

That would be Herman Cain.

Yahweh Ben Yahweh chose Herman Cain.
-Michael Warns (Maurice Woodside)

55 zora  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:42:23pm

re: #52 prononymous

i half expect herman cain to say god wants him to have his own fox show.

56 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:43:39pm

re: #55 zora

i half expect herman cain to say god wants him to have his own fox show.

Speaking of Pizza the Hutt, is he going to make an endorsement? Or just wait until the primaries start before jumping on the bandwagon?

57 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:44:23pm

Anyone seen news of Nic Kristoff of the NYT? I've read back but not far enough yet on twitter. Last I read he was in back seat of Bahrain police...

58 Firstinla  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:45:11pm

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Speaking of Pizza the Hutt, is he going to make an endorsement? Or just wait until the primaries start before jumping on the bandwagon?

Herm will wait for the DOD position to open up the same way Bachmann will wait for SOS to be available.

59 zora  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:46:17pm

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

i have no doubt that he'll endorse gingrich when the time comes. right now the ginger white thing is too fresh. don't want to remind people that calista used to be a ginger white of sorts.

60 jaunte  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:46:48pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Nicholas Kristof:

I'm fascinated to learn from #Bahrain govt statement that I wasn't detained but "sought police protection." #sarcasm

[Link: twitter.com...]

61 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:47:01pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Ok, found


@NickKristof
I'm fascinated to learn from #Bahrain govt statement that I wasn't detained but "sought police protection." #sarcasm

62 Kragar  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:48:14pm

Between this and saying he wouldn't reinstate DADT, what party does Mitt think he's running in anyways?

63 jvic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:48:26pm

re: #42 prononymous

In other news Romney claims to love science then insults the scientific process and confuses entirely different scientific projects with each other (cold fusion vs. superconductivity).

[Link: campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com...]

[Link: campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com...]

I do believe in basic science. I believe in participating in space. I believe in analysis of new sources of energy. I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with -- with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that. We somehow can’t figure out how to duplicate it

LOL, way to affirm that you really believe in basic science.

I have been on the fence about Romney, but that statement alone disqualifies him from the presidency of a technology-based modern society.

As it were, What's wrong with all the scientists who can't replicate what the geniuses at the University of Utah did? Jeebus.

64 SpaceJesus  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:51:37pm

Mormons are part of the stealth Jihad, and always have been.

65 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:52:48pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Between this and saying he wouldn't reinstate DADT, what party does Mitt think he's running in anyways?

Don't worry, by tomorrow, he'll be pounding the pulpit to warn us of the danger of "militant Islam."

66 jaunte  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:54:04pm

Will Saletan:
This Gingrich surge could really last if they could somehow get the candidate to stop talking. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

67 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:56:55pm

re: #65 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Don't worry, by tomorrow, he'll be pounding the pulpit to warn us of the danger of "militant Islam."

Militant gay Muslims in the military, no doubt, is what will happen without DADT. Therefore, it will be a GOP position to reinstate DADT.

68 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:58:19pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Between this and saying he wouldn't reinstate DADT, what party does Mitt think he's running in anyways?

The part that might win.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:59:01pm

This is pathetic:

Jennifer Aniston Voted Hottest Woman of All Time

The hottest woman of all time was my wife Kathy. Beyond that, there is no such thing as hotter than Gina Lollabrigida, Marilyn Monroe, and Sophia Loren.

70 windsagio  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 8:59:50pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Pff that ain't nothin'.

CLEOPATRA, BIZZATCH!

71 Kragar  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:00:35pm

Gingrich has plans, big plans

1) Build “a large array of mirrors [that] could affect the earth’s climate,” to extend farmers’ growing season. He outlined this proposal in his book “A Contract with the Earth.”

72 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:00:50pm

re: #66 jaunte

Ah, a lot of people agree. That was quite a quote to read today. Fits nowhere in our foreign relation strategy, er, any smart strategy. Worrisome.

73 jvic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:05:32pm

re: #40 RadicalModerate

re: #31 jvic

We'll see it here too if, heaven forbid, the Dominionists ever establish their theocracy.

Given Pam's support of ethnic cleansing (see her support of Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic as an example), does this surprise you at all?

It doesn't surprise me at all because the oppression and butchery that have been mentioned are normal--at least, not atypical--for "civilized" humanity.

I feel in my bones that we have a historical breathing spell in which to develop a more viable way, or these things will return--with biospherically potent WMD. Not that they have ever left for many many people in the world.

74 Big Joe Ghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:06:00pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gingrich has plans, big plans

and mirrors on the night side for driving at night!

75 palomino  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:06:38pm

I don't get Romney's strategy here. He says something reasonable one day, even occasionally makes it clear that Obama is a decent man who he doesn't hate.

Then other days he accuses Obama of appeasement and apologizing for America. Which is Sarah Palin nativist "he doesn't love America like us" bullshit. I suspect Romney feels desperate looking at the polls and is now gonna try anything and everything.

76 Kragar  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:06:55pm

re: #74 mracb

and mirrors on the night side for driving at night!

Smaller government; Bigger mirrors - Gingrich 2012
/


Plus, we'll turn them off during the daytime so the commies can't use them!

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:07:29pm

What a fucking dumb ass.

78 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:16:26pm

re: #75 palomino

I don't get Romney's strategy here. He says something reasonable one day, even occasionally makes it clear that Obama is a decent man who he doesn't hate.

Then other days he accuses Obama of appeasement and apologizing for America. Which is Sarah Palin nativist "he doesn't love America like us" bullshit. I suspect Romney feels desperate looking at the polls and is now gonna try anything and everything.

Which will only dig him in deeper, as he tries to please everybody and ends up pleasing nobody. If he thinks nobody's keeping track of where he stands on the issues, he's in for a bad shock.

79 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:17:17pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gingrich has plans, big plans

And to redirect the power of the sun in the form of an uber magnifying glass.
TAKE THAT, IRAN!

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:17:24pm

"The fact that Romney knows peaceful Muslims is purely anecdotal. I believe that most Muslims are secular and have no desire to strap one on. But that does not mean that Islam is not inherently violent."

Er Pam, the expression is 'to tie one on', and while it's a routine with you, one has to be a very, very secular Muslim to go there indeed.

Please note the assumptions:

1. A peaceful Muslim is, by definition, 'secular'.

2. Most Muslims are believed to be peaceful people.

3. However, Islam, the TRUE Islam, as taught by such great Muslim scholars as Robert Spencer is inherently violent.

4. You shouldn't be influenced by Muslims you know. Their failure to blow shit up might lead you to think they are better Muslims than Muslims who blow shit up.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:17:53pm

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And she loves Newt. Wonder if that had anything with him declaring today that Palestinians are "fictional"?

Oh GAWD.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:18:12pm

re: #4 EdDantes

"Romney sounds like ………. Obama."
And George W. Bush

They hates him too now.

83 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:18:53pm

re: #78 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Romney's desperation reeks of someone who thinks the clock is running out. He's been trying to be President for years, waiting for his time, then campaigning for the 2008 nomination, then maneuvering himself for this year. He knows he'll be either too old or seem like a twice-loser by the time 2016 rolls around. So it's now or never for him.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:19:47pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The argument now seems to be trying to argue that "Yeah, Christians engaged in a lot of blood spilling, torture, and general douchebaggery, but not as bad as Muslims have!"

Also: "Christians who do bad shit are acting against Christianity. Muslims who do bad shit are acting in accordance with Islam. Therefore, it doesn't matter what the actual real-world outcomes are."

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:20:39pm

re: #20 EmmmieG

Can you name actual indigenous cultures? There are a few. Basques. Ainu.

Everywhere else the residents are, um, immigrants.

[Video]

Rift Valley,
Where we left our mom and dad,
Drifted out across the earth,
And messed it up real bad.

86 jaunte  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:21:39pm
Er Pam, the expression is 'to tie one on', and while it's a routine with you, one has to be a very, very secular Muslim to go there indeed.

Still laughing here.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:21:48pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

The interesting thing for me has been groups like Youth For Western Civilization justifying the brutality of the Crusades. Crusades were terrible, terrible things.

Pam's ilk are now trying hard to totally rewrite the history of contact between Islam and Christianity.

In doing so, they have become, oddly, more anti-Muslim than the real Crusaders.

It's sort of strange.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:22:46pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

As I recall a lot of the time their victims were other Christians. I know Byzantium got sacked once.

These things do happen.

Well, only when the Fourth Crusade is running around like a loose cannon, but they DID happen.

89 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:25:36pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

This is pathetic:

Jennifer Aniston Voted Hottest Woman of All Time

The hottest woman of all time was my wife Kathy. Beyond that, there is no such thing as hotter than Gina Lollabrigida, Marilyn Monroe, and Sophia Loren.

I don't know, my man. Kathy is obviously the hottest woman in the world (and better be!), but this creature might be a close second:

[Link: www.fanpop.com...]

Oh, and her new movie, Young Adult, is opening this weekend and it is supposed to be killer bee. No redemption in the third reel. An ADULT film, in other words. Brooke Busey screenplay, Jason Reitman directing

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:27:04pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Anyone seen news of Nic Kristoff of the NYT? I've read back but not far enough yet on twitter. Last I read he was in back seat of Bahrain police...

He was Twittering after that, so I think he's in one piece.

91 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:27:09pm
3) Disband the Environmental Protection Agency and fire all the people who currently work there. All current employees must go because “I don’t think you can train the current bureaucrats. I think their bias against capitalism, their bias against local government, their bias against economic rationality, is just amazing,” Gingrich explained at a Politico event. Replace it with an agency called the Environmental Solutions Agency and hire a new group of different bureaucrats to work there.
92 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:28:01pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

This is pathetic:

Jennifer Aniston Voted Hottest Woman of All Time

The hottest woman of all time was my wife Kathy. Beyond that, there is no such thing as hotter than Gina Lollabrigida, Marilyn Monroe, and Sophia Loren.

Seriously. Damn. I mean, Jennifer is cute, but even in Hollywood today, there's HOTTER.

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:28:33pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously. Damn. I mean, Jennifer is cute, but even in Hollywood today, there's HOTTER.

The poll could have been Ron Paul'd.

94 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:29:20pm

re: #79 Varek Raith

And to redirect the power of the sun in the form of an uber magnifying glass.
TAKE THAT, IRAN!

It's like Goofus and Gallant from Boy's Life magazine. Iranians are just little ants.

(And boy, am I showing my age here...)

95 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:29:53pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Also: "Christians who do bad shit are acting against Christianity. Muslims who do bad shit are acting in accordance with Islam. Therefore, it doesn't matter what the actual real-world outcomes are."

Pamela Geller: Licensed and Bonded Identifier of True Scotsman

96 windsagio  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:31:29pm

95 posts in and nobody's said "Religion of Peace" yet? :D

97 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:31:54pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Does she mean strap on a suicide bomb?

98 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:31:55pm

re: #96 windsagio

95 posts in and nobody's said "Religion of Peace" yet? :D

Go piss up a rope!

99 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:33:19pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh GAWD.

"No, I'm not God... but I'm a close second."

//

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:35:28pm

re: #96 windsagio

95 posts in and nobody's said "Religion of Peace" yet? :D

Aaaand you broke that streak.

Now, it was, admittedly, a rather dumb meme from the start. Jainism is a religion of peace. Almost no one else qualifies.

101 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:36:01pm

re: #89 austin_blue

"Juno" screenwriter, Diablo Cody.

102 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:36:39pm

re: #91 BigPapa

So, what Newt really wants is to dismantle the EPA and create a "replacement" that will basically be even farther up the backsides of major corporations. An agency of yes-men who will parrot lines about how CO2 isn't pollution and isn't causing climate change, how clean air and water concerns should be left to state governments, and takes corporations at their word that they'll be "careful" instead of running environmental impact studies.

103 jvic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:37:40pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Rift Valley,
Where we left our mom and dad,
Drifted out across the earth,
And messed it up real bad.

Life's no idyll, that's for sure,
But many folk report
It's no longer solitary, poor,
Nasty, brutish and short.

104 darthstar  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:40:20pm

There are douches.
There are bags.
Then there's Pamela.

105 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:40:34pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Jainism is a religion of peace. Almost no one else qualifies.

Oh, and what about the Soham Baba Mission? They've been at COP17 and giving press conferences for several days... so they must be important.

Yeah, I've never heard of them before, too.

106 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:40:36pm

Way off topic, but watching Buddy Holly 75 trib on PBS. Chris Isaak is hosting, my god he's aged so well.

Oh the music is awesome too.

107 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:42:15pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously. Damn. I mean, Jennifer is cute, but even in Hollywood today, there's HOTTER.

I'll be skeptical until they put that in Helen of Troy units: how many ships launched has her faced launched?

108 darthstar  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:42:59pm

By the way, SFZ...I'm still laughing out loud at your patient explanation (#80 I think) of the difference between strapping and tying one on.

109 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:46:08pm

re: #91 BigPapa

And those folks don't have families, kids, houses & cars. Take away their jobs? The absolute lack of rational thinking.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:47:35pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

I'll be skeptical until they put that in Helen of Troy units: how many ships launched has her faced launched?

Oh, the millihelen?

111 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:49:53pm

So is anyone out west staying up for the eclipse?
I'm thinking of going to Griffith Observatory for the lawn party but 4:30 am? ouch. Might be cool to shoot a 4k time lapse sequence. But damn that's early on a Saturday. Lunacy perhaps?

112 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:50:49pm

Full moon over Kansas City

113 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:51:19pm

re: #109 Stanley Sea

And those folks don't have families, kids, houses & cars. Take away their jobs? The absolute lack of rational thinking.

Screw those America hating gay loving anti Christian lieberals.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:52:21pm

re: #111 Rightwingconspirator

So is anyone out west staying up for the eclipse?
I'm thinking of going to Griffith Observatory for the lawn party but 4:30 am? ouch. Might be cool to shoot a 4k time lapse sequence. But damn that's early on a Saturday. Lunacy perhaps?

I'm thinking about it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to see from where I am...depending on where the moon is by then, it may be out of my line of sight.

115 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:55:17pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Plus it's late enough no sense going to bed. I'd not make it back up and out. But maybe if I just stay up blog late and power through....

116 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:56:08pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

And the eclipse is low on the horizon. We can't see it end.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:58:06pm

re: #116 Rightwingconspirator

And the eclipse is low on the horizon. We can't see it end.

I have hills to the east, also buildings.

118 sagehen  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:58:23pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Aaaand you broke that streak.

Now, it was, admittedly, a rather dumb meme from the start. Jainism is a religion of peace. Almost no one else qualifies.

The Ba'hai. The Amish. Jehovah's Witnesses.

119 jvic  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:59:35pm

re: #111 Rightwingconspirator

So is anyone out west staying up for the eclipse?
I'm thinking of going to Griffith Observatory for the lawn party but 4:30 am? ouch. Might be cool to shoot a 4k time lapse sequence. But damn that's early on a Saturday. Lunacy perhaps?

Three issues: when & where the next eclipse is & how old you are.

120 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:03:50pm

For your evening entertainment, here is a video of the Sagan Lecture presented by Geoff Marcy (of NASA), which comes just two days after the big presentations at the Kepler conference. It's on planet discoveries of Earth-sized planets:

Vimeo
121 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:04:25pm

re: #119 jvic

Three issues: when & where the next eclipse is & how old you are.

Excellent points.

Darn sure I'll live to 2014!

122 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:04:43pm

re: #115 Rightwingconspirator

Plus it's late enough no sense going to bed. I'd not make it back up and out. But maybe if I just stay up blog late and power through...

Our local said 600 am over the ocean (if clear) is best bet. I'm not getting up tho.

123 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:05:24pm

re: #118 sagehen

The Ba'hai. The Amish. Jehovah's Witnesses.

Quakers.

124 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:09:11pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, the millihelen?

Yep. Though the Bergerac unit:

[suitors appearing beneath ones balcony per year ^ (suitors that die for your love +1)]

is probably a better metric.

125 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:10:24pm

Inspiring story:

Youtube Video

One day I hope to do something like this. Except with fish instead of vegetables. Using basic technologies I feel that any community could produce edible fish in an environmentally friendly manner, even in the desert.

126 EdDantes  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:15:05pm

Gotta go now. I've misplaced my wineglass.

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:27:46pm

FNDT still going on?

128 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:55:03pm

re: #127 ggt

FNDT still going on?

Evidently not.
Curse my insomnia!

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 10:56:28pm

OMG!

Varek, How are you?

130 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:01:19pm

re: #129 ggt

OMG!

Varek, How are you?

Pretty good.
You?

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:01:57pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Pretty good.
You?

bored

132 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:03:49pm

bbiab

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:04:02pm

re: #131 ggt

try yacht rock

Youtube Video

warning, foul language and Jimmy Buffet

134 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:04:43pm

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams.

135 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:04:55pm

re: #131 ggt

bored

Yep, same here.

Might just go stream something on netflix.

136 freetoken  Fri, Dec 9, 2011 11:54:46pm

re: #131 ggt

bored

MP3 Audio
137 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:19:32am

Hi people. Just moved into our new place. Finally got the internet rockin'. I know you all missed me. ;)

138 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:26:09am
Can Owning A Cat Void Your HP Warranty?

Chris sent his HP Elitebook in for repair, only to learn that he had done something to void the warranty, and it wouldn't be repaired. What was his heinous offense against technology? He owns a cat, and there's fur inside the computer, causing HP to declare his computer a "biological hazard" and send it back un-repaired.

139 Kragar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:45:56am

So, the whole leaked Lohan Playboy shoot?

A sad waste on many levels

140 Irenicum  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:48:39am

That's 'cause Pam Geller is a psycho. No one should pay any attention to her rantings....

141 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:49:15am

So, down in Durban, the other major text (which incorporates all the talks about things that are not in the Kyoto Protocol) has been published:

(pdf)

Lots of words... lots of promises. Probably way too many to ever come to fruition. It looks to basically be a superset of as many delegates' desires as possible.

They seem to add some flesh to what is known as the Climate Technology Centre, and the Green Climate Fund, which were proposed last year in Cancun as a follow-up to Copenhagen. The former is to facilitate the transfer of advanced technology to nations in order to allow them to develop but through fewer emissions, and the latter sends money to poorer nations to help with adaptation and development.

There will of course be competition for who hosts the Centre, and there are arguments over how to control the Green Climate Fund. These will have to be filled in later (next year.) That's not even touching on actually putting money into the fund, (but apparently South Korea and Norway are offering to kick in a few million dollars to start.)

All of this, even if it is finally approved at this COP (in the next few hours) will be fought inside various nations (including the US) with domestic politics as usual.

So we inch our way to the future, one carbon atom at a time.

142 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:49:36am

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, the whole leaked Lohan Playboy shoot?

A sad waste on many levels

Is it wrong for me to just not give a shit about LiLo (or any other coked-out, tweaked-up, soused-out-of-their-minds "celebrities")?

There's so many other problems in the world today and I just can't summon the sympathy for someone with power, money, and fame who blows it and self-destructs (very publicly)...

143 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:50:00am

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was wondering why Lohan was trending on twitter.

144 fubar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:50:31am

Please, please, stop showing this woman's face. It curdles the cream in my coffee; I get instant heartburn; the dog starts yowling; my baby starts crying uncontrollably; and on and on.
I believe she is an incarnation of the Salem witch burners.
You must do something, or else I may have no choice to turn away from LGF for health and sanity.

145 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 12:51:51am

re: #144 fubar

Please, please, stop showing this woman's face. It curdles the cream in my coffee; I get instant heartburn; the dog starts yowling; my baby starts crying uncontrollably; and on and on.
I believe she is an incarnation of the Salem witch burners.
You must do something, or else I may have no choice to turn away from LGF for health and sanity.

Pamz' face belongs on a jack-in-a-box.

146 Lidane  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 1:04:40am

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, the whole leaked Lohan Playboy shoot?

A sad waste on many levels

I have to agree. If I wanted to see the Marilyn Monroe spread for Playboy, I can look up the original. I don't need a cheap copy of it.

And the Photoshop and processing they used on her isn't flattering at all, either. One of the photos is so overly blurred and airbrushed she looks like her legs are fused together. =P

147 Kragar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 1:10:52am

re: #146 Lidane

I have to agree. If I wanted to see the Marilyn Monroe spread for Playboy, I can look up the original. I don't need a cheap copy of it.

And the Photoshop and processing they used on her isn't flattering at all, either. One of the photos is so overly blurred and airbrushed she looks like her legs are fused together. =P

That seems to be the general consensus.

148 researchok  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 1:20:55am

Morning, all

149 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:08:00am

Anyone remember The Ventures?

MP3 Audio
150 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:10:19am

Ok, something not quite so corny:

MP3 Audio
151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:19:09am

OK, so the demonstration officially opened at 14:00 (a few minutes ago).

152 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:21:37am

Meanwhile I missed this latest from Lieberman:

[Link: newsru.co.il...]

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

"Lieberman: Russia elections were fair and democratic"

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:29:06am

[Link: lenta.ru...]

50,000 cops and soldiers on Moscow streets.

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:30:37am

[Link: lenta.ru...]

At least 3000 have demonstrated in Novosibirsk.

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:40:30am

[Link: lenta.ru...]

More than 10,000 on Bolotnaya square and people continue to arrive.

156 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:52:34am

I woke up to see the eclipse. Looks like I got up too damn early.

157 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:54:36am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Lunar eclipses are neat... the moon turns red. Must have been quite the scary sight way back when the rock was worshipped.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:58:08am

[Link: twitpic.com...]

159 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 2:59:08am

4 rockets fired at Israel; IAF strikes Gaza targets (with video)

The IDF said that it regretted any harm to uninvolved civilians, which it said was caused by the presence of explosives and weapons at the targeted sites, including rockets. The airstrikes, the IDF Spokesman said in a statement, were accurate and direct hits on terror targets were recorded.

The IDF laid responsibility for the casualties on Hamas, "which chooses to operate in the heart of civilian population centers and uses human shields."

Interesting launcher I haven't see the Palestinians use before. It does seem to be an improvement over the rickety metal tripods they usually use.

160 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:01:09am

re: #157 freetoken

Lunar eclipses are neat... the moon turns red. Must have been quite the scary sight way back when the rock was worshipped.

I saw a full solar eclipse in India when I was a kid. Very spooky by itself but the Indian people are very superstitious and the streets were completely empty. Very eerie.

161 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:06:43am

UStream from the demonstration (several cameras):

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:08:31am

LOL @ [Link: www.ridus.ru...]

163 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:11:28am

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

None of those down in Durban, that I've seen posted.

However, quite a few OWS-like signs.

164 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:13:19am

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

LOL @ [Link: www.ridus.ru...]

heh. All he needs is a Che t-shirt.

165 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:14:08am
MP3 Audio
166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:18:09am

Russian cops have the best job in the world....
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

167 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:19:46am

The battle continues...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:20:06am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

That would be Ukrainian cops, since the group is from Ukraine

[Link: femen.livejournal.com...]

169 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:21:41am

re: #168 Sergey Romanov

That would be Ukrainian cops, since the group is from Ukraine

[Link: femen.livejournal.com...]

I should know better. I'm Ukrainian on my mom's side.

170 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:25:01am

Morning, Good People

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:26:54am

Police warns of possible bridge collapse near Bolotnaya square:

[Link: lenta.ru...]

173 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:28:03am

re: #168 Sergey Romanov

That would be Ukrainian cops, since the group is from Ukraine

[Link: femen.livejournal.com...]

They all look alike....

174 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:29:03am

re: #173 RogueOne

They all look alike...

Yes, but now look at their faces./

175 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:31:00am

re: #174 Sergey Romanov

If code pink were that hot they would have had a much bigger impact! What is the cross type symbol painted across their chests?

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:32:00am

re: #175 RogueOne

Inverted Christian cross. Satanists!

177 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:32:23am

From that link:

1 Protester, 300 male photographers
[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

178 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:33:01am

re: #177 RogueOne

From that link:

1 Protester, 300 male photographers
[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

They diligently study her message.

179 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:33:05am

re: #177 RogueOne

From that link:

1 Protester, 300 male photographers
[Link: pics.livejournal.com...]

lol

180 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:39:11am

Moon is all bright right now, no clouds. Eclipse is total here just before 5AM.

181 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:41:19am

Hamas joins Global Muslim Brotherhood

A senior Hamas source told the London-based Arabic-language al-Hayat newspaper on Saturday that the Palestinian organization has joined the global movement of the Muslim Brotherhood.

According to the source, the move took place as early as two months ago. The expression "a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood – Palestine" has been added to Hamas' official name – "The Islamic Resistance Movement."
...
One of the proposals looked into was to establish a new political movement called "Freedom and Justice", similar to the Egyptian party affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which won the majority of votes in the first round of the Egyptian elections, in preparation of the elections expected to take place in the West Bank and Gaza next year once the reconciliation agreement between Fatah and Hamas is completed.

182 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:42:18am

re: #180 BigPapa

Moon is all bright right now, no clouds. Eclipse is total here just before 5AM.

It's starting to look like the moon is going to set here before the eclipse.

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:46:09am

Videotranslations are also at [Link: slon.ru...]

184 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:57:01am

Everybody is "in" at this meeting. So far I've seen liberals, radical nationalists, communists among those who give speeches on the stage.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 3:59:05am

The guy on the stage says that ~80-85 thousands have gathered. Doubtful.

186 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:04:50am

One thing I'm liking about Chrome is that it prompts to translate non-English pages, and appears to do an ok job fairly quickly.

One thing I'm definitely not liking about Chrome is all the disk space it eats up for caching.

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:10:05am

London: [Link: twitter.com...]

188 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:10:30am

Youth Delegate Anjali Appadurai Speaks Truth to Power at Conclusion of COP17 in Durban

I never really understood the term 'Truth to Power' but she did make a pointed and passionate speech.

189 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:11:18am

der Spiegel is spouting nonsense:

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

They claim the draft text calls for financial aid to developing countries by developed countries to be equivalent to defense spending. But the texts don't say that!

190 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:12:41am

re: #188 BigPapa

It was the kind of stunt one expects of a teenager. Her strongest asset was that she is comfortable in the language. I watched it real-time and could only groan. But twittering-bots liked it. But they also like Lindsay Lohan and Justin Bieber.

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:12:46am

Some asshole nationalist with megaphone is being disruptive.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:16:08am

Near the bridge:

[Link: twitter.com...]

However, all is peaceful aside from nationalist provocateurs who were burning fires.

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:17:58am

Ryzhkov says that there are significantly more than 100,000. Dunno, dunno. But more than 30,000 is safe.

194 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:20:52am

re: #190 freetoken

It was the kind of stunt one expects of a teenager. Her strongest asset was that she is comfortable in the language. I watched it real-time and could only groan. But twittering-bots liked it. But they also like Lindsay Lohan and Justin Bieber.

I'd rather watch/listen to her than LiLo or Bieber.

The chanting at the end did give cause me to eye roll.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:21:07am

Love the nerd signs from Baumanka students:

[Link: twitter.com...]
"Putin is an impossible political figure."
The second one I don't even understand, it's about Putin's head being homeomorphic to something.

196 Kronocide  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:26:22am

Urban Dictionary: speak Truth to Power

A vacuous phrase used by some on the political Left, especially the denizens of the Democratic Underground website. Ostensibly, it means to verbally confront or challenge conservative politicians and conservative ideals using the overwhelmingly logical and moral arguments of liberalism. Doing so would, naturally of course, devastate the target individual, leaving them a stuttering, stammering bowl of defeated jelly. That or cause them to experience an epiphany that would have such a profound, worldview-changing effect that they would immediately go out and buy a Che t-shirt and start reading Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, the individuals who would use this phrase have little or no understanding of either liberalism or conservatism, and the "truth" that they speak consists mainly of epithets and talking points, memorized by rote, which they learned from other, equally vapid liberals. As such "speak truth to power" joins other feel-good but ultimately meaningless gems from Leftist history such as "right on", "up against the wall". "question everything" and the ever-popular "fuck you, pig".

Had me snickering there in the middle before the bitter end.

197 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:26:43am

Speaking of Durban, they seem about to climax. In about an hour there will be an informal "stock taking". Expect lots of whining.

Not that I expected any different. I've long been convinced that these shows are there merely for the spectacle. The stakes are too high to allow such an ungainly gaggle of wonks and onlookers.

But, one can pick up some insight over time. I've watched these for a few years and it seems that, slowly, China's role is changing. It is now beginning to have to isolate itself from being considered equal to the other "developing" countries, as it slowly takes on the role of a major player on the world stage. For example, China aligns itself with two groups, one of which is called BASIC (Brazil, South Africa, India, China), and in this meeting it became clear that BAS wasn't agreeing with the I which wasn't agreeing with the C. Especially since China is now the leading emitter of greenhouse gases other nations are realizing that it's going to be hard to align with China while trying to campaign for lower emissions. It just won't work.

Another observation from this meeting is the public absence of the North African states (other than Morocco). Though present, they just don't do pressers, etc. This has to be directly due to their nations being basket cases right now.

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:29:22am

This is certainly a first such meeting in many, many years. Lots of people are fed up.

199 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:31:33am

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

This is certainly a first such meeting in many, many years. Lots of people are fed up.

Is this the 99%?

200 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:32:55am

Brussels police arrest 200 over Congo vote violence

Brussels police arrested about 200 people Friday night after violent demonstrations in the Belgian capital against the re-election of President Joseph Kabila in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Protesters in the former colonial power, home to many Congolese expatriates, threw Molotov cocktails at police cars, a police spokesman said. Shop windows and bus shelters were also smashed near the Congolese quarter.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:33:30am

re: #199 freetoken

At least 40-50%, I would say. Maybe much more. It really is complex. Some people can't stand "United Russia" but will still vote for Putin, etc.

202 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:36:19am

Music break. Someone recommended this album awhile ago but I just got around to listening to it after I heard this single:

Frank Turner: If I Ever Stray

Youtube Video
203 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:41:14am

Ron Paul: 'Glee' in administration after 9/11

“Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq, and so the war drums beat,” Paul said Thursday night before a packed room of more than 1,000 students and supporters. “That’s exactly what they’re doing now with Iran.”

Former Bush White House press secretary Ari Fleischer responded to the “glee” charge by tweeting, “The man is nuts.”

204 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 4:58:35am

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul: 'Glee' in administration after 9/11

When I just read your headline I thought to myself that "Glee" meant the show and that somehow they were brought into the Administration.

See, that is what following Tweets does to the mind.

205 freetoken  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 5:01:55am

I know that someone called "Ellen Johnson Sirleaf" is trending worldwide.

Don't know why Ellen is so important, but I guess I'm supposed to.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 5:16:05am

Well, it's ending, and seems like peacefully, although cops are "ready". Next big meeting is on 24th.

207 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 5:16:48am

Last week the Lake Co. prosecutor made the news by telling the NY times that DNA evidence didn't match the man they mistakenly put in prison for 5 years because the 11 yr old rape victim must have been sexually active. [[Link: www.nytimes.com...] He also had said ""The taxpayers don't pay us for intellectual curiosity. They pay us to get convictions."

Shortly after the county Sheriff called for his resignation:
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Though it’s unusual for an elected sheriff to call publicly for a prosecutor’s dismissal, Curran said he did so because of his “disgust” with Mermel’s comments to the media and because of Curran’s respect for the constitutional process.

He cited comments Mermel reportedly made in a recent New York Times story about murder suspects in Lake County who’ve been targeted for prosecution even after DNA evidence pointed to other possible perpetrators.

It must have worked because now the prosecutor has decided it's time to retire:
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

The job of a prosecutor is not to obtain a conviction, but to do the right thing, Stone argued.

"We've lost sight of that when we ignore facts in order to obtain convictions," Stone said. "While I agree with what Mr. Waller had to say and respect Mr. Waller for having said it, the legacy of his office will betray the ideals that he is espousing, and that's a shame."

Waller, who earlier announced that he won't seek re-election next year, declined further comment. When approached by a reporter at the courthouse Wednesday, he raised his hand and repeatedly said, "Don't ever approach me in the cafeteria."

At least a few people still know how it's supposed to work.

208 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:06:49am

More from Chicago: Cop shoots at guy (at a Target store, ironic) dating his ex and cops arrest the shootee not the shooter. 4 years later and the asshat is still on the job and the shooting is still under review.

Jury awards $3K to man shot at by Chicago cop
[Link: www.morrisdailyherald.com...]

A federal jury on Wednesday ruled that a Chicago police officer has to pay a 34-year-old man $3,000 after shooting at him during a 2007 confrontation outside a South Side Target store, according to the 34-year-old man’s lawyer.

The jury award comes four years after Officer Darin Macon, who was off-duty during the incident, shot his gun at Andrew Richardson, striking his car, shortly after learning his ex-girlfriend went on a date with Richardson, said Richardson's lawyer, Torri Hamilton.
...
Just after midnight on Aug. 25, 2007, Richardson was sitting in his parked car outside Macon’s ex-girlfriend's home near 88th Street and Cottage Grove Avenue after the two went out on a date, according to the suit. While they talked, Macon pulled up in his car, started swearing at the woman and threatened her, the suit alleged.

As she and Macon began arguing, Richardson interrupted and told Macon he had nothing to do with the quarrel and asked him to move his vehicle out of the way so he can leave, according to the suit. Macon responded with a threat and he and Richardson began arguing. Macon then threw a cup of soda at the woman before driving away, according to the suit.

Richardson then followed Macon into the parking lot of a nearby Target store to get his car’s license plate number. After jotting it down, Richardson turned around and tried to drive away, the suit stated. As Richardson was leaving, Macon got out of his car with his service weapon in his hand and announced he was a police officer and opened fire on Richardson, striking his car’s driver’s side door, the suit alleged.

Despite Richardson telling responding officers at the scene that Macon was armed, Richardson was arrested and charged with two misdemeanors: aggravated assault to a police officer and battery, according to the suit. Those charges were later dropped.

A Chicago police spokeswoman said Macon is currently on active duty in the department’s troubled buildings unit.

The Independent Police Review Authority — the city agency that handles allegations of police misconduct and investigations into police-involved shootings — said this case remains under review, and could not provide additional information.

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:17:38am

Meanwhile SO still-President Kokoity has apparently fired the Supreme Court head Atsamaz Bichenov. Bichenov was the guy behind the SC decision to annul the elections and bar opposition leader Dzhioyeva from the new elections.

210 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:17:46am

Can't happen soon enough:

Man condemned to death for Conn. home invasion
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

Komisarjevsky and his accomplice Steven Hayes, tormented a family of four in the affluent New Haven suburb of Cheshire before killing Jennifer Hawke-Petit and leaving her daughters, 17-year-old Hayley and 11-year-old Michaela, to die in a fire.

The sentencing verdict concluded two long trials that subjected jurors to grim evidence including charred beds, rope used to tie up the family and autopsy photos. The attack led to the defeat of a bill to outlaw the death penalty in Connecticut, sparked tougher state laws for repeat offenders and home invasions and drew comparisons the crime described in Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood," which documented the brutal murders of a Kansas farmer and his family.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:19:05am

What a turbulent year 2011 turned out to be.

212 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:22:23am

re: #209 Sergey Romanov

Meanwhile SO still-President Kokoity has apparently fired the Supreme Court head Atsamaz Bichenov. Bichenov was the guy behind the SC decision to annul the elections and bar opposition leader Dzhioyeva from the new elections.

Is he firing everyone on his way out the door?

213 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:23:29am

For those of us who can't see the eclipse: Live Stream

214 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:28:52am

re: #212 RogueOne

Is he firing everyone on his way out the door?

Basically, he was on the side of the "status quo"/Kremlin candidate Bibilov (who lost the election). Then Dzhioyeva's supporters came out on the streets. There was some sort of an agreement reached (with Russia's participation). Among the items of the agreement was that Kokoity should leave the President's office no later than Dec. 10; and that Bichenov should be fired.

Kokoity, according to lenta.ru, has sent the papers for firing of Bichenov, as well as of the chief State Prosecutor to the Parliament.

I dunno, but when you actually can reach such a radical agreement that the President leaves, and before leaving fires the head of the Supreme Court, you're in a position of power.

I'm glad it turned out this way. The powers-that-be became so arrogant that they stole Dzhioyeva's very clear victory, and such events should not go without consequences (even though at the end of the day SO is still an illegitimate entity). I hope she prevails in the end, but the struggle goes on.

215 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:28:55am

re: #213 Killgore Trout

For those of us who can't see the eclipse: Live Stream

Cool. You can use the arrows at the top of the page to view the eclipse from different locations. Singapore is cool.

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:38:43am

Aaand this just in: Kokoity has just stepped down from the post of the President of South Ossetia. Hooray!

217 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:41:00am

Take this with a grain of salt but it is interesting....
Arab TV discloses plot to kill Khamenei, Iran minister

The TV mentioned secret reports obtained by its sources from the house of Ayatollah Khamenei which said the supreme leader had recently held a meeting with Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, chairman of Expediency Discernment Council.

The meeting held at an unknown location in Tehran discussed the intelligence pointing to an alleged plot to murder Khamenei and Rostem Qasemi.

Meanwhile, sources have said that Ayatollah Ali Khamemei had sent on forced retirement a dozen officials of Iran Revolutionary Guards. The reason for the move has not been made public.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:44:04am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Secret reports from secret sources... I'll believe it when I see Khamenei's bloodied corpse.

219 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:44:57am

Family of similar child is caught in baby Lisa nightmare
Since Northland girl vanished, police and strangers have demanded Overland Park parents prove identity of their child.
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

Shortly after baby Lisa Irwin disappeared in October, Amy noticed other shoppers looking at her and her 10-month-old baby, Lucy, in the supermarket.

“I saw people peering down the aisles at me,” the Overland Park mother said. “But I convinced myself that they were probably just looking for a can of green beans or something.”

Then three older women surrounded her.

“How old is your baby?” they asked. One of them pulled down Lucy’s blanket and lifted the baby’s dress to inspect her legs.

Other shoppers whispered and pointed Amy’s way.

“They think this is baby Lisa,” she realized. The woman was checking Lucy’s leg for the birthmark on Lisa Irwin’s right thigh.

The incident — one of hundreds of potential baby Lisa sightings reported to police — ended with Overland Park officers following Amy home and leaving only after she presented Lucy’s vaccination records and insurance card.

220 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 6:48:12am

re: #218 Sergey Romanov

Secret reports from secret sources... I'll believe it when I see Khamenei's bloodied corpse.

Normally I would have just dismissed the report as unimportant BS. The mention of Revolutionary Guards is kind of interesting. Either there were whispers of a plot or the plot was invented as a pretext to get rid of some people.

221 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 7:18:03am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Normally I would have just dismissed the report as unimportant BS. The mention of Revolutionary Guards is kind of interesting. Either there were whispers of a plot or the plot was invented as a pretext to get rid of some people.

Most likely the latter. Sounds like someone copied from Saddam Hussein's playbook.

I'll also say that if Mitt is offending Pam Geller, he's starting to offend that correct people. Her freak out will help Romney far more than it will hurt him.

222 researchok  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 7:35:28am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Normally I would have just dismissed the report as unimportant BS. The mention of Revolutionary Guards is kind of interesting. Either there were whispers of a plot or the plot was invented as a pretext to get rid of some people.

The latter would be my guess.

These kind of regimes need to keep everyone off balance and paranoid.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 7:44:34am

And as fast as I'm here, I'm gone again.

BBL

224 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 7:52:22am

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul: 'Glee' in administration after 9/11

Excuse me? The Bush Administration was happy about 9-11? After 3000 people were killed they felt glee?

Agree or not with George Bush and the Iraq war, that's the most disgusting thing I've seen you say.

Fuck you Ron Paul.

225 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 7:57:31am

A primary vote for Newt equals a general election vote for Obama. If the GOP voters want to lose again in 2012, by all means vote for Gingrich in the primaries.

226 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:00:30am

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Excuse me? The Bush Administration was happy about 9-11? After 3000 people were killed they felt glee?

Agree or not with George Bush and the Iraq war, that's the most disgusting thing I've seen you say.

Fuck you Ron Paul.

if you translate that "Ron Paul speak," it comes out as "those neocon Jews were happy about 9/11." He is a scumbag ...

228 jvic  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:13:34am

re: #219 RogueOne

Family of similar child is caught in baby Lisa nightmare
Since Northland girl vanished, police and strangers have demanded Overland Park parents prove identity of their child.
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

Witch hunts: as American as apple pie.

I really wish I could add a sarc tag.

(Yeah yeah, other countries do it too. I'm not talking about other countries.)

229 bratwurst  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:15:23am

re: #226 _RememberTonyC

if you translate that "Ron Paul speak," it comes out as "those neocon Jews were happy about 9/11." He is a scumbag ...

And he just pulled ahead of Mitt for second place in Iowa...go GOP!

230 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:30:18am

re: #228 jvic

Witch hunts: as American as apple pie.

I really wish I could add a sarc tag.

(Yeah yeah, other countries do it too. I'm not talking about other countries.)

That whole story is screwed up. They've handled it remarkably well. I would think that a lot of people wouldn't take strangers touching their kids like that with as much patience as they have shown.

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:31:00am

[Link: www.nbcphiladelphia.com...]

Pa. Man Fakes Mom's Obit to Get Time Off

heh,,, old MASH episode had Klinger asking Colonel Blake for bereavement leave to go home for a funeral
Blake pulls out a folder with dozens of similar requests, some with the same person dying multiple times

232 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:32:06am

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Excuse me? The Bush Administration was happy about 9-11? After 3000 people were killed they felt glee?

Agree or not with George Bush and the Iraq war, that's the most disgusting thing I've seen you say.

Fuck you Ron Paul.

QFT

233 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:32:44am

re: #170 RogueOne

Morning, Good People

What about the rest of us??

/We are the 99%!!

234 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:33:33am

I've been looking for rationale from the Occupy movment on the port shutdown against the wishes on unions and workers. Here's the Port Shutdown page: They're just pretending the unions support them.
Meanwhile in the real world....
Port Union Leaders: We Don't Want Occupy's Help

“It’s presumptuous of them to say they’re shutting down our port in solidarity with us,” said Richard Mead, president of the Bay Area local ILWU affiliate, during an interview in his hiring hall office.

Two dozen rank-and-file longshoremen interviewed this week offered mixed views of the plan, with workers upset about the protest outnumbering supporters about three to one.

“It’s bizarre for one group of people to announce what’s best for 20,000 workers without having any conversations, and without respecting our union’s decision making process,” said Craig Merrilees, a spokesman for the International Longshore and Workers Union.

In a letter Wednesday to local chapters, ILWU President Robert McEllrath accused the Occupy movement of meddling.

That "99%" slogan just isn't going to work.

235 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:40:03am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Has SteelPH even engaged you in conversation about OWS? I sure know he/she likes to downding you about it!

236 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:40:29am

re: #219 RogueOne

Family of similar child is caught in baby Lisa nightmare
Since Northland girl vanished, police and strangers have demanded Overland Park parents prove identity of their child.
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

Wow...I'd be shouting "fuck off you paranoid freak" to every couple who asked to see my baby if that happened to me.

237 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:42:08am

re: #236 darthstar

Wow...I'd be shouting "fuck off you paranoid freak" to every couple who asked to see my baby if that happened to me.

I would also be calling the cops if someone touched my baby without permission
One of them pulled down Lucy’s blanket and lifted the baby’s dress to inspect her legs.

Read more: [Link: www.kansascity.com...]

238 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:42:50am

re: #237 sattv4u2

I would also be calling the cops if someone touched my baby without permission
One of them pulled down Lucy’s blanket and lifted the baby’s dress to inspect her legs.

Read more: [Link: www.kansascity.com...]

A wal-mart guard took the kid away from her. I would be surprised if there wasn't a lawsuit.

239 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:43:16am

re: #234 Killgore Trout
Of course the union guys are lo0king out for their own paychecks, while at least in the abstract having no problem with the reasons for the protest. This is more like a wildcat strike than anything else.

"Longeshoreman in Longview are currently in a bitter fight with the multinational grain exporter EGT, and port truckers in LA are fighting to unionize against Goldman Sachs-owned SSA.

"

They oppose the shut down because it threatens their pay.

This part is true as can be Link from Longshoremens web

240 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:43:26am

re: #235 sattv4u2

Has SteelPH even engaged you in conversation about OWS? I sure know he/she likes to downding you about it!

I don't think so. I'm hemorrhaging karma these days.

241 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:43:47am

re: #238 RogueOne

A wal-mart guard took the kid away from her. I would be surprised if there wasn't a lawsuit.

Maybe he just needed to re-stock the shelves!!! After all, the gift of birth IS a Christmas tradition!!

///

242 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:44:54am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I don't think so. I'm hemorrhaging karma these days.

I don't think Buck has any reason to worry that you'll catch him!

243 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:45:02am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Didn't the longshoreman dispute get pretty ugly recently? If they told me they didn't want me around, I think I would take them at their word.

244 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:45:30am

re: #197 freetoken

"Especially since China is now the leading emitter of greenhouse gases other nations are realizing that it's going to be hard to align with China while trying to campaign for lower emissions. It just won't work"

Thanks for the insight.

And as you well know, India is next on that list since its population is projected to surpass China's in the next decade or so.

245 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:47:13am

re: #237 sattv4u2

If anyone reached for a kid of mine or a loved one they would find themselves the focus of extremely hazardous attention from me.

246 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:48:11am

re: #239 Rightwingconspirator

Of course they're concerned with protecting their paycheck. Isn't that the whole point of supporting workers? The longshoremen union has a statement up on their website supporting OWS. It seems short sighted and callous for OWS to hurt their supporters.

247 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:48:53am

re: #244 BeenHereAwhile

....
And as you well know, India is next on that list since its population is projected to surpass China's in the next decade or so.

minus one hot Indian actress that's going to need to move:

Veena's dad disowns her for nude shoot
[Link: www.emirates247.com...]

After nude photos of Veena Malik appeared on the cover of a men's magazine, her father has disowned her.

Father, Malik Mohammad Aslam, demanded that she be punished for the nude photo shoot.

Pakistani actress and model Veena Malik has denied modeling for the magazine FHM. She claims that the pictures were fake and doctored.

Mid-Day reported that this claim by Veena Malik did not please her father. In an outburst he made it known that he has disowned her and severed all ties with her.

He also does not want his daughter to return to India once the scandal is over.

He suggested punishment for her so that no other woman would think of repeating such an act.

She would make a great hoosier, she can be my neighbor!

248 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:49:33am

re: #242 sattv4u2

I don't think Buck has any reason to worry that you'll catch him!

AlbuSteve takes up some space on the bottom rated comments list when I'm having a light day.

249 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:50:18am

re: #247 RogueOne

minus one hot Indian Pakistani actress that's going to need to move:

Veena's dad disowns her for nude shoot
[Link: www.emirates247.com...]

She would make a great hoosier, she can be my neighbor!

Bad link...doesn't lead to nude photos of Veena.

250 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:50:38am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

Of course they're concerned with protecting their paycheck. Isn't that the whole point of supporting workers? The longshoremen union has a statement up on their website supporting OWS. It seems short sighted and callous for OWS to hurt their supporters.

Is that not exactly the attitude a union has toward a wildcat strike? Take a look at the Longshoremans web link. Heres the quote

200 longshore workers protest EGT at grain industry conference

Members of the ILWU protest EGT at a national grain conference in Seattle. Photo by Cameron Williams, ILWU Local 19 president.

SEATTLE, WA (August 23, 2011) — A group of more than 200 union longshore workers from Washington and Oregon chanted and protested during EGT head Larry Clarke’s speech at the 2011 Midwest Specialty Grains Conference [...]

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:54:34am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Russian cops have the best job in the world...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

It must be beyond freezing in Ukraine right now. What on earth are those women DOING?

Besides getting arrested by men wearing coats. And pants.

252 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:56:05am

Speaking of mistaken identity stories:

William Giraldo was jailed and threatened after being wrongly accused of being Brooklyn serial sex fiend
Police pressured Giraldo to confess, then sent him to Rikers until DNA proved his innocence
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Brooklyn livery driver William Giraldo’s buddies were laughing when they called him one day in June to say he looked just like a guy in a video of a rape suspect.

Busy with wedding plans, Giraldo laughed it off, too — until that night, when he sat at the computer with his fiancee and found the grainy footage.

He was stunned the man on the screen, wanted for a terrifying series of sex attacks, didn’t just look like him — it was him.

“I panicked,” he said. “I didn’t know what was going on.”

From that moment, Giraldo was trapped in a nightmare that grew scarier at every turn.

He was picked out of a lineup, arraigned on his wedding day, sent to Rikers, threatened with deportation.

It wasn’t until five months later — a month in detention and agonizing weeks of uncertainty — that DNA cleared him and charges were dropped.

“They destroyed my life — and they didn’t even say sorry,” Giraldo, 25, told the Daily News.

253 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:56:33am

Santa and Satan asking kids in Prague if they've been naughty or nice...
[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

254 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:57:02am

re: #250 Rightwingconspirator

Is that not exactly the attitude a union has toward a wildcat strike? Take a look at the Longshoremans web link. Heres the quote

200 longshore workers protest EGT at grain industry conference

Members of the ILWU protest EGT at a national grain conference in Seattle. Photo by Cameron Williams, ILWU Local 19 president.

SEATTLE, WA (August 23, 2011) — A group of more than 200 union longshore workers from Washington and Oregon chanted and protested during EGT head Larry Clarke’s speech at the 2011 Midwest Specialty Grains Conference [...]

From the informal poll in the article I linked to said only 25% of port workers support OWS closing the port. That's not much of a wildcat strike.
I don't get what the longshoreman dispute about a grain elevator has to do with OWS closing the port.

255 Four More Tears  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:57:50am

re: #249 darthstar

Bad link...doesn't lead to nude photos of Veena.

I, too, would like to see, uh, exactly what outraged her father so much...

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:58:34am

re: #205 freetoken

I know that someone called "Ellen Johnson Sirleaf" is trending worldwide.

Don't know why Ellen is so important, but I guess I'm supposed to.

President of Liberia. Just was co-awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

To the best of my knowledge she deserves it more that either Arafat or President Obama, l'havdil.

257 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:59:11am

re: #252 RogueOne

I don't understand serial sex fiends...I hate fucking Rice Krispies.
//

258 Four More Tears  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 8:59:48am

BTW, this Google Currents app looks pretty damn sharp.

259 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:00:14am

re: #253 darthstar

Santa and Satan asking kids in Prague if they've been naughty or nice...
[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

The article might be mistaken about that being satan. There's a dutch tradition with Santa that involves his helper elf named Black Peter who takes naughty kids to Spain. It might be a variation of the Black Peter thing.

260 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:00:48am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

AlbuSteve takes up some space on the bottom rated comments list when I'm having a light day.

Yeah,, but he's a light weight by your standards

When he's there, it's no more than 3 or 4 minuses

YOU ,,, TEENS!!!!

261 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:01:10am

re: #254 Killgore Trout

OWS is protesting the policies of the corporation EGT. The shutdown IMO is a horrible idea, they should go for high visibility short of a shut down. Maybe cause some delays and then back off. But unfortunately the reality is if they are too well behaved, not making any waves their protests (despite some serious merit) are ignored. Or dismissed as frivolous. So to even get the worst out they have to raise the visibility of any actions taken.

This comes back to the factors that worked against OLA that I wrote about previously. Damned if they do screwed if they don't.

262 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:01:21am

re: #257 darthstar

I don't understand serial sex fiends...I hate fucking Rice Krispies.
//

They do end with a nice POP though!

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:01:21am

re: #239 Rightwingconspirator

Of course the union guys are lo0king out for their own paychecks, while at least in the abstract having no problem with the reasons for the protest. This is more like a wildcat strike than anything else.

"Longeshoreman in Longview are currently in a bitter fight with the multinational grain exporter EGT, and port truckers in LA are fighting to unionize against Goldman Sachs-owned SSA.

"

They oppose the shut down because it threatens their pay.

This part is true as can be Link from Longshoremens web

It's a lot to ask that that many people lose pay because someone else decides it would be cool to shut down the port to say they did it.

264 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:01:47am

re: #255 JasonA

I, too, would like to see, uh, exactly what outraged her father so much...

I believe any story about hot stars posing nude should at least have one link that shows some ass.

265 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:02:26am

re: #257 darthstar

I don't understand serial sex fiends...I hate fucking Rice Krispies.
//

We used to call our foster daughter "Cereal Killer"

266 Four More Tears  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:02:35am

re: #264 darthstar

I believe any story about hot stars posing nude should at least have one link that shows some ass.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

267 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:03:54am

re: #262 sattv4u2

They do end with a nice POP though!

I thought about saying something like this, but I had faith in this community and you stepped forward. God bless you.

268 Four More Tears  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:05:21am

re: #267 darthstar

I thought about saying something like this, but I had faith in this community and you stepped forward. God bless you.

May our immaturity never let you down.

269 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:06:23am

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

That is exactly why it's a mistake. Just an understandable one IMO. BTW, I had mentioned a further chapter from my documentary on OLA. Post eviction. Well, we actually shot film in a Lomokino cam, and post will be a week or two. I am so not used to the slow workflow. (shoot, develop, mask, scan, reassemble frame by frame into a movie) But we hope to have a very cool look to it as a result.

I just hope issue fatigue does not kill it's appeal.

270 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:08:13am

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a lot to ask that that many people lose pay because someone else decides it would be cool to shut down the port to say they did it.

The last time that local shut down the port a judge fined them $250k. They might be a little gun shy about appearing to support another shutdown.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:10:52am

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

That is exactly why it's a mistake. Just an understandable one IMO. BTW, I had mentioned a further chapter from my documentary on OLA. Post eviction. Well, we actually shot film in a Lomokino cam, and post will be a week or two. I am so not used to the slow workflow. (shoot, develop, mask, scan, reassemble frame by frame into a movie) But we hope to have a very cool look to it as a result.

I just hope issue fatigue does not kill it's appeal.

My question, and I've done almost no looking into this, is, did Occupy send a delegation to talk to the longshoremen? Was there any discussion or negotiation? Or did they just, I dunno, try to announce this?

272 sattv4u2  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:11:17am

re: #267 darthstar

I thought about saying something like this, but I had faith in this community and you stepped forward. God bless you.

When you get to be my age, it's expected that you just say anything that you want too

(I have no idea what excuse to use when I was younger)

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:12:23am

re: #270 RogueOne

The last time that local shut down the port a judge fined them $250k. They might be a little gun shy about appearing to support another shutdown.

They can probably afford the fines, and they'd probably do it again if they wished. But it's a strategic move, one they seem to be choosing not to make at the present time.

274 darthstar  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:13:14am

Okay people...the dogs are getting restless...there's no wind, and it's a balmy 39 degrees (but it feels like 50)...perfect frisbee and swimming weather...for the dogs.

275 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:15:20am

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a lot to ask that that many people lose pay because someone else decides it would be cool to shut down the port to say they did it.

It's the same sort of attitude the protesters displayed towards small businesses near the camps. They didn't care that they were hurting other people's ability to make a living. Also the same attitude towards the cities who strained budgets accommodating the protesters.
Although some people may be attracted to the movement because of serious concerns I'm still left with the impression that overall it's just a generic protest movement. It doesn't make any difference what the cause is, they just like to protest. Camping in parks and shutting down ports has nothing to do with banks. It's protesting for the sake of protesting.

276 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:17:56am

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

My question, and I've done almost no looking into this, is, did Occupy send a delegation to talk to the longshoremen? Was there any discussion or negotiation? Or did they just, I dunno, try to announce this?

From what I can tell from the Port Shutdown site is there were some talks and outreach meetings. I get the impression that the unions told them they weren't interested and the Occupy folks are going ahead with it anyways.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:19:24am

re: #275 Killgore Trout

It's the same sort of attitude the protesters displayed towards small businesses near the camps. They didn't care that they were hurting other people's ability to make a living. Also the same attitude towards the cities who strained budgets accommodating the protesters.

Let me just say that the longshoremen are

a. bigger
b. more politically organized and
c. more affluent than

people who own coffee-shops near downtown Oakland. I would not screw with them if they say no.

But it was a serious question. Did Occupy negotiate with them over this?

278 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:20:04am

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

We used to call our foster daughter "Cereal Killer"

My twin sisters earned that name when they crawled to the cupboard where the cereal was stored and dumped every box out onto the floor. The storage location was changed later that day. Only the older kids could reach it.

279 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:22:09am

Liberal Portland mayor emerges as Occupy critic

Adams is one of several mayors who, despite expressing sympathy with the Occupy movement, said his duty to maintain law and order compelled him to send in police to dismantle protest camps.
...
"I am a liberal progressive, but I also get to have an opinion on the movement, and I'm going to put it out there," Adams told Reuters. "Because any good movement has to be nimble, and this one so far hasn't been."

The mayor said he has watched the nationwide Occupy protests "devolve to fighting with liberal mayors in liberal cities."
...
Adams at one point used Twitter to call an Occupy event a "dance party in a public space." The mayor said he has been encouraging protesters to aim their ire away from local governments and instead pursue a national grass-roots effort focused on changing national policies.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:22:13am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

From what I can tell from the Port Shutdown site is there were some talks and outreach meetings. I get the impression that the unions told them they weren't interested and the Occupy folks are going ahead with it anyways.

Sounds like ILWU is really tearing into them. I hadn't seen some of these quotes.

281 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:24:34am

re: #275 Killgore Trout

That's quite true of a certain (I'd say maybe 20-25% at LA) segment. Yet it's misleading if you then ignore the strong issue activists in there. When you say generic, that is largely true because they have rightly refused to be co-opted by those larger forces that are in fact a big part of the problem. But lacking the weight of a big PAC, let alone party or major union it's easy to dismiss them. Catch 22.

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Yup. That's exactly right.

282 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:26:17am

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

Here's the shutdown webpage...
[Link: westcoastportshutdown.com...]

They are claiming they have union support....

While the community pickets of the port are being organized by the Occupy Oakland Port Shutdown Committee, rank-and-file unionists have been actively involved in every level of the organizing.

"The rank and file of the ILWU I've talked to say there is no way they are going to cross a community picket line." said Anthony Lavierge, a member of ILWU Local 10. "When I'm working on the port, 90% of the truckers I talk to are enthusiastic."

283 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:27:23am

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like ILWU is really tearing into them. I hadn't seen some of these quotes.

From this-
EGT Development built and operates a terminal at Longview port in Washington, however the ILWU says the company has reneged on a Port of Longview contract that specified only ILWU labour could be used at the site. On 8 September hundreds of ILWU members stormed the terminal, a day after blocking railroads so grain could not reach Longview.

One can see the deep divide among labor about how to deal with EGT. That would not be the first time union leaders have taken a minority decision and imposed it via "union fealty". At this point it's a debate about tactics.

284 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:29:26am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Union leadership vs rank and file perhaps? An important distinction there.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:29:39am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Here's the shutdown webpage...
[Link: westcoastportshutdown.com...]

They are claiming they have union support...

The problem is, there's really no way for me to test that reality. If they go ahead, ILWU will probably tell their guys not to cross the line for safety's sake. Occupy will claim popular support.

Of course, if they DO cross, Occupy will claim that they were bought out, and that it was only a few. ILWU will claim otherwise.

Hopeless 'he said, he said' morass.

286 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:29:45am

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like ILWU is really tearing into them. I hadn't seen some of these quotes.

Yeah, the unions seem pretty pissed....

Craig Merrilees, communications director at the ILWU, told the Guardian that the union was "not supporting that at all".

"[Occupy organisers] have been very disrespectful of the democratic decision-making process in the union and deliberately went around that process to call their own action without consulting workers," Merrilees said.

"It's the second time they've done it. The first time they had very little support from workers in their so-called general strike [the Occupy Oakland action on 2 November].

"This is being promoted by a group of people who apparently think they can call general strikes and workplace shutdowns without talking to workers and without involving the unions."

That's why I've been looking around to see how the OWS crowd is rationalizing the port shutdown. Judging from their website they're just pretending the unions support them.

287 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:30:28am

I missed this screwed up story out of Portland:

Washougal man had ties to white supremacists, once threatened his family in Idaho
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

Authorities had little information to share this morning about the man who terrorized a Washougal neighborhood for 90 minutes Wednesday by spraying the area with gunfire from a burning house, but he apparently had ties to white supremacists when he lived in Idaho 16 years ago.
.....
An Associated Press story at the time quoted Bonner County Sheriff Chip Ross saying Stanbary "had enough ammunition for World War II" and considered Randy Weaver of Ruby Ridge notoriety a hero. The Columbian quoted Ross, now retired, as saying the Stanbary case was among many white supremacy investigations in northern Idaho at the time.

with an update yesterday:

Washougal man wanted on sex crimes allegations before his house burned to ground in a spray of bullets
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

The man who lived at a Washougal, Wash., home that burned to the ground Wednesday amid a barrage of gunfire was scheduled to surrender to police on suspected sex crimes the following day, authorities said today.

Steven D. Stanbary, 47, was the target of an investigation into "multiple" sex crimes by Washougal police, said Sgt. Kevin Allais of the Clark County Sheriff's Office. He declined to specify the crimes.
.....
New details of Steve Stanbary's past emerged from court records about a confrontation he had on Christmas Eve 1994 in Elmira, Idaho, when he threatened to kill himself, his ex-wife and her boyfriend when his ex-wife came to pick up three of her children.

Stanbary refused to allow the children -- a 7-year-old boy and 4 and 11-year-old girls -- to go with his former wife, saying: "Christmas is a satanic holiday," according to the records kept in the state archive in Boise.

According to his ex-wife, Debra Hughes, and her friend, Alan Trejo, Stanbary pointed a gun at her and threatened to kill her, Trejo and the children if she took them, the documents said. Trejo told police that Stanbary was preparing for the end of the world and had assault weapons and gas guns in the house. Hughes said he had been diagnosed by a doctor in Oregon with delusional schizophrenia.
.....
Police confiscated 27 firearms, including six AK-47 military rifles, numerous rifles and pistols, black powder, a gas mask and a grenade launcher, records show. Ammunition was found in every weapon.

He had 15 years to restock.

288 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:32:19am

re: #284 Rightwingconspirator

Union leadership vs rank and file perhaps? An important distinction there.

See #234. 75% of workers oppose the strike. It's not a scientific poll but it's probably fairly accurate. I see no indication that a significant portion support the strike.

289 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:36:41am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

I'm throwing up my hands on that. One guy says 25% of the dock workers, another says 90% of the truckers support a shutdown. I can not discern the truth from where I sit. Literally or philosophically. I think I see a deep divide.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:37:10am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the unions seem pretty pissed...

That's why I've been looking around to see how the OWS crowd is rationalizing the port shutdown. Judging from their website they're just pretending the unions support them.

Well, as the Conspirator said, there may be a split between union leadership and the guys on the dock. Hardly the first time that's happened. There may be significant minority support from within the union.

I have to confess that I suspect the Occupiers as a general group of wanting to close down the port more than they want to support the union in this particular dispute. That's the prize for them. The union would probably be happy to use them as additional lungs and feet if they were interested in closing, but at the present time...oh hell, this is Craig Merrilees' problem, not mine.

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:39:34am

How is everyone this morning?

292 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:40:29am

re: #291 ggt

How is everyone this morning?

I'm pooped. I woke up crazy early this morning to watch the eclipse but fog rolled in and I missed it. Bummer.

293 RogueOne  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:41:27am

re: #291 ggt

How is everyone this morning?

Bored. I've been sitting around waiting for someone to start a fight but so far no such luck///

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:42:05am

re: #293 RogueOne

Bored. I've been sitting around waiting for someone to start a fight but so far no such luck///

Well, there is a new thread --HOPE!

295 Lidane  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:44:33am

re: #291 ggt

How is everyone this morning?

Exhausted. I was up until 4am finishing some schoolwork. Today, I have to send stuff off to UPS, run errands, and start studying for my finals.

Wednesday can't get here fast enough. I'll be thrilled once the semester is behind me.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:45:35am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

I'm pooped. I woke up crazy early this morning to watch the eclipse but fog rolled in and I missed it. Bummer.

Sorry about that. Can you watch a vido on the intertboobs? Satellite view or something?

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:48:54am

re: #295 Lidane

Exhausted. I was up until 4am finishing some schoolwork. Today, I have to send stuff off to UPS, run errands, and start studying for my finals.

Wednesday can't get here fast enough. I'll be thrilled once the semester is behind me.

I don't envy all of you that are in school. I hated school --probably why I quit when I could.

A girlfriend and I are going to take "old lady computer brush-up" courses after the first of the year at the local community college. I don't think they are even credit courses. I am totally dreading it.

BUT, some things are necessary.

298 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:49:20am

re: #296 ggt

Sorry about that. Can you watch a vido on the intertboobs? Satellite view or something?

I watched a live feed from Australia. It was nice enough.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:51:46am

WE have back-to-back work related holiday parties this weekend. I have to spend my time being arm-candy and looking appropriate.

I hate that.

Nice to see the people tho.

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 9:59:49am

bbl

301 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Dec 10, 2011 11:42:54am

Charles Johnson,

Knowing Geller, its easy to see why she would be so upset by this, given her unwillingness to accept the fact that she is wrong. As long as she lives in her paranoid delusions, she is going to get worse and worse. The longer we could without western societies being turned into Islamic theocracies, the less people will take people like her seriously.


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