Gingrich Promises Not to Commit Adultery

This time he means it
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Newt Gingrich irritated a lot of fundamentalists when he refused to sign the “Marriage Vow” pledge pushed on the Republican candidates by Iowa’s radical religious right group “The Family Leader” (whose leader Bob Vander Plaats is a Birther).

Now, instead of signing it, Gingrich has sent The Family Leader a lengthy letter with his own pledges. The thrice-married serial philanderer who divorced his first wife as she lay in a hospital bed, and had numerous adulterous affairs while he led the charge to impeach Bill Clinton, is promising to refrain from adultery.

But we should believe him this time. He’s changed.

Defending Marriage. As President, I will vigorously enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, which was enacted under my leadership as Speaker of the House, and ensure compliance with its provisions, especially in the military. I will also aggressively defend the constitutionality of DOMA in federal and state courts. I will support sending a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification. I will also oppose any judicial, bureaucratic, or legislative effort to define marriage in any manner other than as between one man and one woman. I will support all efforts to reform promptly any uneconomic or anti-marriage aspects of welfare and tax policy. I also pledge to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others.

The rest of Gingrich’s promises read like a laundry list of far right platforms: anti-gay, anti-women’s rights, anti-secularism, pro-states’ rights. The usual.

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146 comments
1 Kragar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 10:57:57am

So Newt is no longer passionate about America?

2 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 10:59:37am

Only American Females.

3 Kragar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:01:42am

Promising not to fuck behind your third wife’s back is very presidential.

4 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:02:17am

Thanks. I needed a laugh today.

Newt promising that he’ll be faithful to his current wife and refrain from carrying out further adultery is laughable given his prior history.

Here’s hoping he can fulfill that promise in the private sector.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:03:03am

Newt, I know this is hard for you to understand, but I actually do not care if you screw around or not. I have the measure of you already. This is a conversation for you to have with your wife, not the American public.

6 Simply Sarah  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:03:10am

It makes me sick to see a cheating slimeball like Newt talking about “defending marriage” by promising to fight as hard as possible to keep people from getting married.

7 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:03:53am

Isn’t this covered by the “vow of marriage”?

8 Kragar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:04:31am

Newt’s missing out on some profits. He could be the next celebrity spokesman for a CB6000.

9 JeffM70  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:05:04am

No doubt Newt believes this is a solemn, noble and self-sacrificing pledge.

10 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:07:00am

re: #7 ElCapitanAmerica

Isn’t this covered by the “vow of marriage”?

Yeah, I was thinking he already made that pledge —BEFORE GOD AND EVERYONE!

11 Petero1818  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:08:00am

Breaking News…Newt received a holiday greeting from the Perry family and promptly took back his promise to be faithful to his wife.

12 Kragar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:08:11am

re: #10 ggt

Yeah, I was thinking he already made that pledge —BEFORE GOD AND EVERYONE!

Third times the charm.

13 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:08:42am

Newt truly thinks he is not only above the law, but it’s arbitrator.

I see him as anything but neutral.

14 Henchman 25  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:09:07am

Call me skeptical, but I don’t think I believe this.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:13:14am

Wait—does this mean he’s stopped loving his country?

16 nines09  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:13:15am

Apparently marriage vows aren’t what they used to be. I wouldn’t trust Newt Gingrich, Repeatedly Disgraced Former Speaker of The House, to walk my dog or feed my goldfish.

17 Jack Burton  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:15:26am

Newt to the press:

18 Lidane  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:19:40am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Promising not to fuck behind your third wife’s back is very presidential.

Heh.

19 S'latch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:21:25am

Refraining from adultery at age 68 doesn’t sound too difficult.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:22:00am

re: #19 Lawrence Schmerel

Refraining from adultery at age 68 doesn’t sound too difficult.

Lifelong habits are hard to break.

21 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:22:06am

How come it was OK for JFK and Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton to boink tons of chicks? How come it is OK for Dems!1! Double standard!1!ty

22 S'latch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:23:19am

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Hard at age 68?

23 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:24:16am

re: #19 Lawrence Schmerel

Refraining from adultery at age 68 doesn’t sound too difficult.

VIAGRA!

24 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:25:00am

Why is Newt making this pledge to the public?

He didn’t marry us and isn’t going to.

He is making a mockery of marriage, IMHO.

We’ll he seems to be good at it.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:25:06am

re: #22 Lawrence Schmerel

Hard at age 68?

They got Viagra these days.

26 jaunte  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:26:03am

re: #10 ggt

Yeah, I was thinking he already made that pledge —BEFORE GOD AND EVERYONE!

God is one thing, but Vander Plaats sets a higher standard for himself.
Or rather, demands a higher standard from others.

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:26:21am

Viagra = promotes life = good (male)

Contraception = hinders life = bad (female)

Patricians for Patricians!

28 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:26:32am

A little less adultery and a lot more acting adult would serve Newt and some others on the right very, very well.

29 S'latch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:27:39am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

Newt’s chances of being elected president could use some Viagra.

30 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:28:06am

re: #29 Lawrence Schmerel

Newt’s chances of being elected president could use some Viagra.

NOOOOOOOO!

saltpetre!

31 Simply Sarah  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:35:33am

re: #29 Lawrence Schmerel

Newt’s chances of being elected president could use some Viagra.

Wouldn’t that just make it harder for him to win?

32 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:36:30am

where is Satt when you need him?

33 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:38:51am

I pledge not to vote for Newt.

34 erik_t  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:39:55am

re: #33 Iwouldprefernotto

I pledge not to vote for Newt.

Pfft. Never in my wildest childhood fantasies in the mid-1990s did I ever imagine that I would have the opportunity to personally cast a vote against Newt Gingrich.

Silver linings.

35 Lidane  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:41:24am

re: #7 ElCapitanAmerica

Isn’t this covered by the “vow of marriage”?

36 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:44:02am

Well, I am prepared to believe him, arent you all?

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37 freetoken  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:44:30am

Getting a bit of column space today around the net:


The disappearance of the elephant caused the rise of modern man


Dietary change led to the appearance of modern humans in the Middle East 400,000 years ago, say Tel Aviv University researchers

Elephants have long been known to be part of the Homo erectus diet. But the significance of this specific food source, in relation to both the survival of Homo erectus and the evolution of modern humans, has never been understood — until now.

When Tel Aviv University researchers Dr. Ran Barkai, Miki Ben-Dor, and Prof. Avi Gopher of TAU’s Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Studies examined the published data describing animal bones associated with Homo erectus at the Acheulian site of Gesher Benot Ya’aqov in Israel, they found that elephant bones made up only two to three percent the total. But these low numbers are misleading, they say. While the six-ton animal may have only been represented by a tiny percentage of bones at the site, it actually provided as much as 60 percent of animal-sourced calories.

The elephant, a huge package of food that is easy to hunt, disappeared from the Middle East 400,000 years ago — an event that must have imposed considerable nutritional stress on Homo erectus. Working with Prof. Israel Hershkovitz of TAU’s Sackler Faculty of Medicine, the researchers connected this evidence about diet with other cultural and anatomical clues and concluded that the new hominids recently discovered at Qesem Cave in Israel — who had to be more agile and knowledgeable to satisfy their dietary needs with smaller and faster prey — took over the Middle Eastern landscape and eventually replaced Homo erectus.

The findings, which have been reported in the journal PLoS One, suggest that the disappearance of elephants 400,000 years ago was the reason that modern humans first appeared in the Middle East. In Africa, elephants disappeared from archaeological sites and Homo sapiens emerged much later — only 200,000 years ago.

[…]

Hmmm… disappearing elephants, modern man, erectus … I’m sure we could work in a Newt reference somehow.

38 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:45:57am

re: #34 erik_t

How do you cast a vote against Newt without giving a vote to someone more, or almost as nuts? Er, you mean in the general?

I kinda doubt Newt will win the primary. But we’ll see.

39 erik_t  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:46:57am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I expect Newt to win the primary. Even if he doesn’t, it will have looked pretty plausible. Much more so than it did to a West Coast kid hating on a Georgian member of the House fifteen years ago.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:47:22am

re: #36 ralphieboy

Well, I am prepared to believe him, arent you all?

/

Don’t care much. I wouldn’t be voting for him regardless.

41 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:48:48am

re: #39 erik_t

I just think the general membership will see Romney as more electable. But I’m still just happy we got past Palin and Bachmann.

42 allegro  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:49:05am

I have no interest in his sex life with, or without, Callista. In fact, ew. They deserve each other and any unfaithfulness each or both may engage in.

It’s enough for me to know that he’s a raging, privileged, asshole grifter to make me reject his candidacy for any office.

43 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:49:17am

Patricians vowing to Restore the Republic —Rome

Iman’s promising to Restore the Caliphate — Middle East

Newt the history expert *spit* doesn’t seem to learn from history.

44 freetoken  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:49:25am

It’s not a very good press release, btw. I take exception to some of the things written. The actual journal article is here:

Man the Fat Hunter: The Demise of Homo erectus and the Emergence of a New Hominin Lineage in the Middle Pleistocene (ca. 400 kyr) Levant

As the title suggest, it was the chasing of fat, not protein (as in the PR piece being quoted around the web today) for energy that is hypothesized as the key driver in the following/hunting/elimination of the elephants.

45 EdDantes  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:51:27am

re: #42 allegro

Newt makes Bill Clinton look like a monk.

46 allegro  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:53:41am

re: #45 EdDantes

Newt makes Bill Clinton look like a monk.

Except that I would think Bill to be a lot more fun. Cuter too. I could probably be tempted by Bill. Newt? *runs screaming*

47 Alexzander  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:54:35am

A new anti-Gingrich ad from Sir Digby Chicken Ceasar Ron Paul. Looks like a made for TV sci-fi movie.

48 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:54:51am

re: #46 allegro

The Rape Whistle was invented because of men like Newt.

49 Alexzander  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:55:05am

Whoops - forgot the link there. If you updated before I edited the post here it is:

50 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:55:29am

re: #46 allegro

Except that I would think Bill to be a lot more fun. Cuter too. I could probably be tempted by Bill. Newt? *runs screaming*

It’s the saxophone, isn’t it? Chicks dig the sax.

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51 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 11:55:40am

re: #37 freetoken

Getting a bit of column space today around the net:


The disappearance of the elephant caused the rise of modern man

Dietary change led to the appearance of modern humans in the Middle East 400,000 years ago, say Tel Aviv University researchers


Hmmm… disappearing elephants, modern man, erectus … I’m sure we could work in a Newt reference somehow.

And should make you wonder how many Middle Eastern petroglyphs are actually early attempts at elephant jokes.

52 EdDantes  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:00:51pm

re: #48 ProLifeLiberal

The Rape Whistle was invented because of men like Newt.

And pepper spray. Don’t forget pepper spray.

53 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:03:14pm

adultery? when is he going to start acting like an adult?

54 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:03:20pm

re: #51 oaktree

And should make you wonder how many Middle Eastern petroglyphs are actually early attempts at elephant jokes.

How do you know an elephant has been in the desert?


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His ears are sunburned.

55 darthstar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:10:56pm

Speaking of ejaculates (well, we are talking about Gingrich)…another Family Values kind of guy comes out in favor of helping gay women conceive. He really wants to father some children.

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz…]

56 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:11:27pm

re: #54 ggt

I’m sure he would not have wanted to fly over the desert. Airline might lose his trunk.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:11:53pm

re: #55 darthstar

Speaking of ejaculates (well, we are talking about Gingrich)…another Family Values kind of guy comes out in favor of helping gay women conceive. He really wants to father some children.

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz…]

That’s…unusual.

58 EdDantes  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:11:58pm

re: #52 EdDantes

And pepper spray. Don’t forget pepper spray.

…and the “panic” button on car keys.

59 darthstar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:12:34pm

It should be noted that Gingrich doesn’t include blow jobs as an example of violating personal fidelity.

60 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:13:05pm

re: #58 EdDantes

…and the “panic” button on car keys.

So far:

Al Gore: The internet

Newt: Pepper spray, car key panic buttons, rape whistles

If you’re going with sheer quantity of inventions, the choice is clear.

61 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:13:23pm

re: #59 darthstar

It should be noted that Gingrich doesn’t include blow jobs as an example of violating personal fidelity.

“Do happy endings count?”

62 darthstar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:13:25pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s…unusual.

Well, he wants to give them straight sperm…not that homosexuality is biological, mind you.

63 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:14:14pm

150 workers lose a day’s pay, hippies cheer….
Oakland longshoremen sent home due to protests

The longshoremen’s union says 150 workers have been sent home after anti-Wall Street demonstrators blocked two entrances at the Port of Oakland.

Longshoremen’s union spokesman Craig Merrilees said Monday that shipping companies agreed with workers’ concerns that the protests were creating unsafe working conditions.

It’s unclear whether the longshoremen will be paid for the missed work. Union officials say longshoremen were not paid after Occupy Oakland protesters blockaded the port Nov. 2.

Protesters cheered when they learned about the partial shutdown, then dispersed. Another march on the port is planned later in the day.

Hooray!

64 freetoken  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:15:08pm

re: #55 darthstar

Johnson was a 2009 candidate for the office of Governor of Alabama.

American politics at its finest will always include an anti-gay sperm donor for lesbians who want to bear children.

No comedian could come up with this stuff on his own.

65 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:15:28pm

re: #59 darthstar

It should be noted that Gingrich doesn’t include blow jobs as an example of violating personal fidelity.

Who might he have learned that dodge from?
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66 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:16:04pm

Protesters halt operations at some west US ports

Some of the port workers they meant to support weren’t thrilled at the demonstrations.

“This is a joke. What are they protesting?” said Christian Vega, who sat in his truck carrying a load of recycled paper from Pittsburgh, part of a long line of rigs unable to drive into the port in Oakland, California. He said the delay was costing him $600.

“It only hurts me and the other drivers. We have jobs and families to support and feed. Most of them don’t,” Vega said.

67 darthstar  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:16:55pm

re: #65 Rightwingconspirator

Who might he have learned that dodge from?
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Or Clinton learned it from him.

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:17:11pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

What are they trying to achieve? I’m lost here.

69 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:17:23pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

I can only speculate how many lost pay as a result of strikes by that union in the past. I’ll go out on a limb and guess many more than zero.

70 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:18:34pm

Right winger finds wedge issue to divide two low-income segments of society, is happy.

71 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:19:47pm

re: #67 darthstar

Or Clinton learned it from him.

An unusual bit of bipartisanship there.
Well they did get a lot done together.

72 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:20:14pm

…AH SURE …I …AH… I’ll SIGN THAT…..VOW THINGY..AH
Why not?…ah cause I’m married to …ah
… Morgan…ah… Morgan Fairchild…Yea..that’s the ticket…
…oh PLEASE!

73 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:20:40pm

re: #70 iossarian

Just curious. What do you call a wildcat strike?

74 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:20:43pm

I hereby Pledge:

- Not to put my wiener where it has no business being.
- Not to allow others to put their wieners where I don’t think they ought to.
- Not to allow two wieners on one bun.
- To ensure that no bun goes wienerless.

Can I haz nominashun now?

75 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:21:41pm

re: #72 reloadingisnotahobby

…AH SURE …I …AH… I’ll SIGN THAT…VOW THINGY..AH
Why not?…ah cause I’m married to …ah
… Morgan…ah… Morgan Fairchild…Yea..that’s the ticket…
…oh PLEASE!

Go ahead and date yourself - I appreciate the reference!

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:22:43pm

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

What are they trying to achieve? I’m lost here.

They claim they’re trying to hurt the big companies who own the ports and depend on shipping. The truth is that radical lefties just like to shut down west coast ports. They did the same thing in the antiwar protests claiming to stop war supplies even though no war supplies were going through west coast ports. It’s just what these groups do, it’s not really related to anything.

77 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:23:40pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

Just curious. What do you call a wildcat strike?

I think it entirely depends on the circumstances of the strike. I’m also not against the debating of whether any individual strike is a good idea or not, it’s just that I’m not going to bother doing it with someone who cheers when defenseless people are beaten up by the cops for attempting to draw awareness to the fantastic distortions of wealth in the US.

78 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:24:04pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

They claim they’re trying to hurt the big companies who own the ports and depend on shipping. The truth is that radical lefties just like to shut down west coast ports. They did the same thing in the antiwar protests claiming to stop war supplies even though no war supplies were going through west coast ports. It’s just what these groups do, it’s not really related to anything.

The weather is better than in New York and they won’t get summarily shot like they would in Texas.

79 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:24:38pm

re: #75 imp_62

…What?? Come on… that shitsLOL TIMELESS!!
..

80 freetoken  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:24:46pm

re: #78 imp_62

The weather is better than in New York and they won’t get summarily shot like they would in Texas.

It’s raining here today, btw.

81 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:24:57pm

re: #69 Rightwingconspirator

I can only speculate how many lost pay as a result of strikes by that union in the past. I’ll go out on a limb and guess many more than zero.

They key difference is when the unions protest it’s their decision. In this case the OWS crowd is deciding to shut down the port against the will of the workers. When unions protest they often cover expenses for striking workers, when someone else shuts down the port unions don’t pay. The workers get screwed.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:24:57pm

re: #75 imp_62

Go ahead and date yourself - I appreciate the reference!

There’s always room for Lovitz.

As a matter of fact… I still want this t-shirt.

83 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:25:28pm

re: #79 reloadingisnotahobby

…What?? Come on… that shitsLOL TIMELESS!!
..

Otay, Spanky!

84 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:25:52pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

They key difference is when the unions protest it’s their decision. In this case the OWS crowd is deciding to shut down the port against the will of the workers. When unions protest they often cover expenses for striking workers, when someone else shuts down the port unions don’t pay. The workers get screwed.

At Christmastime, right when people need more money, not less.

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:26:36pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

> They claim they’re trying to hurt the big companies who own the ports and depend on shipping

Yeah, I’ve read the article. That’s such BS.

86 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:27:03pm

re: #84 EmmmieG

At Christmastime, right when people need more money, not less.

I’m sure the port owners are lining up to pay the workers extra and thus ensure they enjoy a happy Christmas.

87 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:27:48pm

re: #84 EmmmieG

At Christmastime, right when people need more money, not less.

Hopefully this won’t last more than a day. These dock workers are not people to be fucked with. If this continues those hippies are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise.

88 erik_t  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:28:13pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

They key difference is when the unions protest it’s their decision. In this case the OWS crowd is deciding to shut down the port against the will of the workers. When unions protest they often cover expenses for striking workers, when someone else shuts down the port unions don’t pay. The workers get screwed.

Truckers, to name one group, would have lost pay as a result of a longshoreman strike in which they were not involved.

89 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:28:20pm

re: #86 iossarian

I’m sure the port owners are lining up to pay the workers extra and thus ensure they enjoy a happy Christmas.

They’re not the one shutting the ports down.

90 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:29:05pm

re: #86 iossarian

I’m sure the port owners are lining up to pay the workers extra and thus ensure they enjoy a happy Christmas.

Your Xmas bonus is being hand delivered

91 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:29:05pm

h/t Memorandum—Totally on topic, sort of:

Former Alabama GOP governor candidate fathers children in New Zealand for lesbian couples. (Conservative, Christian, anti-gay, and surprise to wife.)

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz…]

92 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:29:38pm

re: #77 iossarian

& KT

I think the Occupy action today is analogous to a wildcat strike. At least OLA has a strict promise of non violence. It would be nice to see Occupy extend some cash help to the affected workers.

93 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:29:56pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

h/t Memorandum—Totally on topic, sort of:

Former Alabama GOP governor candidate fathers children in New Zealand for lesbian couples. (Conservative, Christian, anti-gay, and surprise to wife.)

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz…]

Front page, please. And now, I can die happy.

94 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:30:09pm

re: #89 EmmmieG

They’re not the one shutting the ports down.

No, but they are the ones doing everything they can to generally depress wages. If the workers are living paycheck to paycheck, and can’t afford to lose a day’s wages, whose fault is that? The protestors?

Anyway, got to run. Keep the hippie-punching up in my absence!

95 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:31:13pm

re: #94 iossarian

No, but they are the ones doing everything they can to generally depress wages. If the workers are living paycheck to paycheck, and can’t afford to lose a day’s wages, whose fault is that? The protestors?

Anyway, got to run. Keep the hippie-punching up in my absence!

If the dockworkers feel they are being treated unfairly, I feel supremely confident that they can protest for themselves.

96 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:31:39pm

re: #88 erik_t

Truckers, to name one group, would have lost pay as a result of a longshoreman strike in which they were not involved.

That’s why the unions usually consult each other before calling for a strike. They usually arrive at some sort of consensus and act together. Otherwise the dock workers could screw the truckers just as easy as the truckers could strike and fuck the dock workers. They’re usually pretty considerate of each other. Unlike the OWS protesters who have no vested interest in the port and lose nothing while hurting the workers.

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:31:54pm

re: #94 iossarian

Sometimes it’s deserved. Actions need to make some sense.

98 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:32:05pm

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

I think the Occupy action today is analogous to a wildcat strike. At least OLA has a strict promise of non violence. It would be nice to see Occupy extend some cash help to the affected workers.

I don’t think it’s even a wildcat strike, since the protestors are not the workers (apart from maybe a few people who are in both groups). I think this is a very risky move, but again, not going to bother debating it with the pepper-spray crowd.

Anyway, got to run (for real this time).

99 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:32:05pm

Groups not to piss off…
Long Shore men
Teamsters
Devil Disciples
Hells Angels
MS 13
Diablos
….Etc..ect
(Not in any opder of …meanness!

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:32:05pm

Kagan Recuses…

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]

101 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:32:43pm

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

& KT

I think the Occupy action today is analogous to a wildcat strike. At least OLA has a strict promise of non violence. It would be nice to see Occupy extend some cash help to the affected workers.

A wildcat strike would come from workers. Workers are not supporting this protest.

102 iossarian  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:32:56pm

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

Sometimes it’s deserved. Actions need to make some sense.

Yes, yes, we must remain reasonable while the last vestiges of social cohesion are asset-stripped from beneath our feet.

FOR REAL NOW! Got to go.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:34:13pm

re: #102 iossarian

One should remain reasonable for one’s own sake, AFAIC.

104 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:34:14pm

re: #102 iossarian

Yes, yes, we must remain reasonable while the last vestiges of social cohesion are asset-stripped from beneath our feet.

FOR REAL NOW! Got to go.

*not looking over my shoulder*
You’re still here, aren’t you?

105 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:34:53pm

Speaking of sex - - -

imp_62 has begun a conversation on my Pages Post. Please join in if you have something to contribute!

106 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:35:38pm

re: #99 reloadingisnotahobby

Groups not to piss off…
Long Shore men
Teamsters
Devil Disciples
Hells Angels
MS 13
Diablos
…Etc..ect
(Not in any opder of …meanness!

mothers … grandmothers …aunts …

Especially Mother Elephants.

in the desert.

107 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:35:48pm

re: #105 ggt

Speaking of sex - - -

imp_62 has begun a conversation on my Pages Post. Please join in if you have something to contribute!

As my wife will confirm, I’m a big talker.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:36:01pm

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

What are they trying to achieve? I’m lost here.

Close the port, cost vaguely imagined corporations money, alienate the ILWU, seem relevent.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:36:41pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Close the port, cost vaguely imagined corporations money, alienate the ILWU, seem relevent.

That’s about what I gathered too, and without hippie-punching filters at that (I think).

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:36:52pm

re: #69 Rightwingconspirator

I can only speculate how many lost pay as a result of strikes by that union in the past. I’ll go out on a limb and guess many more than zero.

Key words might be ‘by that union’.

111 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:37:04pm

re: #107 imp_62

As my wife will confirm, I’m a big talker.

TMI!!!

LOL

112 shutdown  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:37:06pm

re: #105 ggt

BTW I went to your pages and you post a lot of cool shit. I keep missing it for some reason. I mean, ostrich penises - cool!

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:37:34pm

re: #55 darthstar

Speaking of ejaculates (well, we are talking about Gingrich)…another Family Values kind of guy comes out in favor of helping gay women conceive. He really wants to father some children.

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz…]

Akkk..You beat me.

Money quote:
(Does your wife know?)

She does now.

114 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:37:48pm

re: #112 imp_62

BTW I went to your pages and you post a ot of cool shit. I keep missing it for some reason. I mean, ostrich penises - cool!

Thanks!

:)

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:38:23pm

re: #70 iossarian

Right winger finds wedge issue to divide two low-income segments of society, is happy.

I wouldn’t call the longshoremen ‘low income’.

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:39:03pm

These folks sure don’t look like longshoremen….
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

[Link: www.daylife.com…]
Strikes usually involve people with jobs.

117 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:39:10pm

re: #106 ggt

mothers … grandmothers …aunts …

Especially Mother Elephants.

in the desert.

Vicious Babushkas!

118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:39:19pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Newt, I know this is hard for you to understand, but I actually do not care if you screw around or not. I have the measure of you already. This is a conversation for you to have with your wife, not the American public.

One would think. But then, this is a socon male with something to prove, the very types throwing rocks at others while living in glass abodes.

119 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:40:28pm

re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

One would think. But then, this is a socon male with something to prove, the very types throwing rocks at others while living in glass abodes.

Newt seems to need to prove he is more “Roman than the Romans”.

120 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:40:57pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn’t call the longshoremen ‘low income’.

If that is the port I saw in a special, one ISO crane unloader makes 200K per year, more than a brain surgeon. No brain surgeon can do what he can.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:40:59pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

They key difference is when the unions protest it’s their decision. In this case the OWS crowd is deciding to shut down the port against the will of the workers. When unions protest they often cover expenses for striking workers, when someone else shuts down the port unions don’t pay. The workers get screwed.

This is my key issue here. The union didn’t mind when they did the ‘general strike’ bit in November, and left it alone. This time, the union reps have been clear that they won’t support this, as have a number of other California unions, and the response has been a couple bubbles of ‘tough shit, we speak for the people’.

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:42:22pm

The 13 Most Puzzling Activism Stock Photos of 2011

if you happen to run a website or news operation with no budget for wire photos, or you live in an area with no protests of your own to cover, you can always fall back on stock imagery. Of course, a deep dive into those archives may unearth a few … disquieting examples of the form.

123 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:42:30pm

re: #117 Alouette

Vicious Babushkas!

I have family members who are devout Roman Catholic and they ALWAYS pray to Mary, pretty much only her. The reason: a son will ALWAYS listen to his mother.

LOL

124 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:43:07pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

If that is the port I saw in a special, one ISO crane unloader makes 200K per year, more than a brain surgeon. No brain surgeon can do what he can.

or is taking the physical risks that he is.

125 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:43:20pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

h/t Memorandum—Totally on topic, sort of:

Former Alabama GOP governor candidate fathers children in New Zealand for lesbian couples. (Conservative, Christian, anti-gay, and surprise to wife.)

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz…]

Another case showing that ethics and intelligence are not necessarily related.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:43:27pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Hopefully this won’t last more than a day. These dock workers are not people to be fucked with. If this continues those hippies are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise.

That’s the problem. As an assortment of scabs and rats and bosses and such have found over the years, longshoremen punch straight and hard. The lady from Sankofa African Arts cried. These guys aren’t gonna cry.

127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:44:56pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn’t call the longshoremen ‘low income’.

[Link: www.people.hbs.edu…]

Have you ever heard what it takes to be the guy who operates the cranes?

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:47:46pm

re: #94 iossarian

No, but they are the ones doing everything they can to generally depress wages. If the workers are living paycheck to paycheck, and can’t afford to lose a day’s wages, whose fault is that? The protestors?

Anyway, got to run. Keep the hippie-punching up in my absence!

I’m sorry, but I’m not buying it. No one died and made Occupy God, and they’re overreaching here, and being arrogant with it.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:48:48pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

A wildcat strike would come from workers. Workers are not supporting this protest.

Some seem supportive, but they’re not going out on strike.

130 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:49:12pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

This is my key issue here. The union didn’t mind when they did the ‘general strike’ bit in November, and left it alone. This time, the union reps have been clear that they won’t support this, as have a number of other California unions, and the response has been a couple bubbles of ‘tough shit, we speak for the people’.

Right, this is where not being co-opted is a plus for them. They have the freedom to protest policies the union rank and file do not. And we have some reason to think the rank and file majority or not (9 of 10 truckers) (one in 3 dockworkers) do support the protest. BTW I’d guess some bank employees like tellers and such have lost pay when Occupy did the 4th & Fig plaza.

It’s a little too tempting perhaps to tell Occupy to behave so well they fade away from all notice. Poison pill there.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:50:31pm

re: #102 iossarian

Yes, yes, we must remain reasonable while the last vestiges of social cohesion are asset-stripped from beneath our feet.

FOR REAL NOW! Got to go.

“When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.”

And ignore the dumbass unions. They’re just in it for themselves, like the Right has been telling us all these years. Fuck ‘em. Me and my friends have a better plan.

Which mostly consists of ‘shut down the Port of Oakland’.

//

132 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:51:04pm

Have you ever heard what it takes to be the guy who operates the cranes?

A lot of TRUST!!…From EVERYONE!!
A crane operator can make or break a Corp….
speed and safty are #1!
A bad Crane Jocky can kill in a heart beat….

133 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:51:04pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m sorry, but I’m not buying it. No one died and made Occupy God, and they’re overreaching here, and being arrogant with it.

Of all the things that have ever been alleged about longshoreman unions, that they need assistance in looking after the best interests of their members is not one of them.

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:52:37pm

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

Right, this is where not being co-opted is a plus for them. They have the freedom to protest policies the union rank and file do not. And we have some reason to think the rank and file majority or not (9 of 10 truckers) (one in 3 dockworkers) do support the protest. BTW I’d guess some bank employees like tellers and such have lost pay when Occupy did the 4th & Fig plaza.

It’s a little too tempting perhaps to tell Occupy to behave so well they fade away from all notice. Poison pill there.

It’s natural for the kids to overreach, and sort of natural for the workers to hand them their asses. If it gets too rough, OWS can always call the cops.

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:52:46pm

re: #132 reloadingisnotahobby

Have you ever heard what it takes to be the guy who operates the cranes?

A lot of TRUST!!…From EVERYONE!!
A crane operator can make or break a Corp…
speed and safty are #1!
A bad Crane Jocky can kill in a heart beat…

I meant the big container cranes. They told us once, on a cruise around Seattle Harbor. Some ridiculous amount of seniority and training. You get, like, one mistake.

Ever.

136 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:53:38pm

I have to be productive.

Watch out for Jewish Mother Elephants with long trunks!

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:54:40pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

If that is the port I saw in a special, one ISO crane unloader makes 200K per year, more than a brain surgeon. No brain surgeon can do what he can.

A friend of mine’s brother runs one of those things. He makes damn good money. It’s one hell of a skilled job.

138 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:56:24pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

A friend of mine’s brother runs one of those things. He makes damn good money. It’s one hell of a skilled job.

On a total historical note, I didn’t realize the importance of Boston port workers (including rope makers) in the revolution.

The rope makers used, and carried, clubs. In their jobs. Or anything else they might wish to use them in.

139 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:57:07pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s the problem. As an assortment of scabs and rats and bosses and such have found over the years, longshoremen punch straight and hard. The lady from Sankofa African Arts cried. These guys aren’t gonna cry.

Cooler heads better prevail. Occupy non violence is an important choice. If the cops can roll out and split protests and counter protests they can take care of this too.

140 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:57:44pm

I would imagine 3 time more for a work in the middle east!

[Link: www.atlas4jobs.com…]

141 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:58:01pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

A friend of mine’s brother runs one of those things. He makes damn good money. It’s one hell of a skilled job.

The special put a camera on the guy in the gondola—he was finger-dancing on the controls far ahead of the reactions of the container. It was as much an athletic thing as his training—looked like Pele.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 12:58:47pm

re: #124 ggt

or is taking the physical risks that he is.

Brain surgeon screws up, only one person dies. And he’s not it.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 1:04:05pm

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

Right, this is where not being co-opted is a plus for them. They have the freedom to protest policies the union rank and file do not. And we have some reason to think the rank and file majority or not (9 of 10 truckers) (one in 3 dockworkers) do support the protest. BTW I’d guess some bank employees like tellers and such have lost pay when Occupy did the 4th & Fig plaza.

It’s a little too tempting perhaps to tell Occupy to behave so well they fade away from all notice. Poison pill there.

I’d go farther than that and say that bank tellers have been terrorized, when Occupy marched in and acted out.

I don’t think Occupy has earned the right to act as though they’re the new Labor movement, and I haven’t seen much evidence that they have the means or the brains to do it.

144 sagehen  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 1:08:30pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

150 workers lose a day’s pay, hippies cheer…
Oakland longshoremen sent home due to protests

Hooray!

and yet your quote from the article specifically states:

“It’s unclear whether the longshoremen will be paid for the missed work.”

145 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 1:17:06pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

IMO, (We should ask them) They are not a labor movement. They are a consumer movement. For better or worse.

146 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 12, 2011 1:25:53pm

re: #144 sagehen

I would hate to think a days pay for some workers would necessarily negate doing a protest aimed at a corporation about massive layoffs or excess executive compensation during downturns or rank & file pay cuts.

When labor marches on May 1st many stores close along the route. Outrage=zero.


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