Redstate.com vs. National Review

The far right base attacks the right wing establishment (again)
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It’s hot wingnut on wingnut action, as redstate.com’s head loon Erick Erickson links to a piece by plagiarist Ben Domenech, explaining why they now hate the National Review: National Review: “they lived long enough for us to see them become the villain.”

Most observers presumed the magazine would endorse Romney again – they did so in Photoshopped glory in 2008 – but instead of just doing so straight up, they wrote an editorial which is 80% reasonable if severe criticism of Newt Gingrich’s candidacy and 20% insulting rant at the conservative base. The NR editors eliminate every other candidate with flippant dismissals, in the end deeming only Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum as possibilities other than Romney – two incredibly long shots with, at the moment, no realistic paths to victory. @baseballcrank: “Why NR thinks that Perry should be counted out of the field but not Santorum… indefensible.”

The editorial is an honest expression of what National Review really believes and has for some time, and is one more yelp from the once-proud flagship publication of the right. Unfortunately, NR remains as tone deaf as it was during George W. Bush’s second term, when they drifted and meandered along uncertainly. Here, their sloppiness and extreme tone play to the advantages of their targets. Had they been a bit more humble, limiting the scope of this editorial to Gingrich’s flaws and holding back on the Romney affection, they might not have just handed a lovely hammer to every dismissed candidate. But that sort of perception isn’t anywhere to be found in those pages. I would not be surprised even to see Gingrich cite it approvingly as proof that he’s no insider, which is its own kind of disappointing hilarity… .

It’s a real shame, when you think what might have been over the past few years, had NR recognized the rising movement outside their traditional base which aimed to change the party and the nation – if it could have seized an opportunity to become the voice of a renewed conservatism.

By “renewed conservatism,” I assume Domenech means a conservatism that’s deeply in thrall to the religious right, horribly xenophobic against just about every minority, prone to believing conspiracy theories, and utterly deranged with hatred and fear of a black President. Because that’s what I see at redstate.com and the rest of the right wing blogosphere.

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78 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:37:29am

They see the future of conservatism in "ideological purity", which in this case means appealing to the lowest common denominator and responding to those who shout the loudest.

2 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:40:43am

Renewed conservatism? Oh Ben, you're never gonna get it. This is the same crap we all know. You want to renew conservatism? Can it with the gay bashing, bible thumping, disdain for science, and fear mongreling.

3 erik_t  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:48:13am

Who is the pot and who is the kettle?

4 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:48:41am

The far right base attacks the right wing establishment

i volunteer to hold their coats

5 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:48:58am

Wingnut catfight! It warms my heart...

6 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:49:31am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Renewed conservatism? Oh Ben, you're never gonna get it. This is the same crap we all know. You want to renew conservatism? Can it with the gay bashing, bible thumping, disdain for science, and fear mongreling.

Um, what else do they have? "Giant unnecessary military leviathan"?

7 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:50:04am

And speaking of head loon Erick Erickson, sloppiness, and one more yelp from the once-proud flagship, NPR used Erickson as a commenter on the GOP race this morning.

8 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:51:39am

insulting rant at the conservative base

actual republican voters by and large are not these

smiley wins in a walk

9 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:51:39am

Who brought the Popcorn?

10 albusteve  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:51:41am

conservatism is essentially dead...what are they arguing about, the leftover scraps?...buncha twits, talk about an unproductive waste of time

11 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:53:30am

re: #10 albusteve

conservatism is essentially dead...what are they arguing about, the leftover scraps?...buncha twits, talk about an unproductive waste of time

No, not dead just...

just in the process of getting the same sort of definition change "liberals" got over the last couple of decades.

12 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:53:42am

re: #6 SpaceJesus

Um, what else do they have? "Giant unnecessary military leviathan"?

I guess what I am saying is what they want in conservatism is nothing new.

13 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:54:16am

The GOP created this Base which may soon make luap nor! their front runner. They are reaping what they have sowed.

14 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:58:17am

One thing I think worth mentioning is that I don't think this is as bad as it can get.

I think the 2016 season will be worse for the GOP.

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:59:49am

re: #14 kirkspencer

One thing I think worth mentioning is that I don't think this is as bad as it can get.

I think the 2016 season will be worse for the GOP.

What do you expect in 2016?

16 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:00:15pm

re: #14 kirkspencer

One thing I think worth mentioning is that I don't think this is as bad as it can get.

I think the 2016 season will be worse for the GOP.

If they go for Mitt Romney and he looses I will lay 95% odds that things will only get crazier for the GOP.

17 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:01:24pm

The problem with modern conservatism is arguably like 1970's liberals they think they don't need to adapt to changes in the country. They think that their problem has been that their party is not conservative enough and that's just not true.

18 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:02:47pm

re: #11 kirkspencer

No, not dead just...

just in the process of getting the same sort of definition change "liberals" got over the last couple of decades.

'conservatism', 'liberalism', 'socialism', 'fascism'

the meaning of all these words is being systematically eradicated, and the newspeak dictionary project is well underway

19 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:04:49pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

The problem with modern conservatism is arguably like 1970's liberals they think they don't need to adapt to changes in the country. They think that their problem has been that their party is not conservative enough and that's just not true.

if you ask conservatives what the word means, you get meaningless pablum like "smaller government" and "fiscal responsibility", neither of which remotely corresponds to anything the republican party ever does

in practice, it means "anything i want is, by definition, good"

20 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:06:24pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

What do you expect in 2016?

2016 is going to be seen as their clear opening. It'll be "their turn", speaking both of Republicans and the RWNJs. The zealotry will be intense.

21 Tumulus11  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:08:15pm
'The editorial is an honest expression of what National Review really believes and has for some time, and is one more yelp from the once-proud flagship publication of the right.
// Ben Domenech [?]

. Domenech has a grudge against NRO. Did he write this piece or steal it?

'As the previous links on the matter mention, at least one of the pieces Ben Domenech is accused of having plagiarized was a movie review for National Review Online. A side-by-side comparison to another review of the same film speaks for itself. There is no excuse for plagiarism and we apologize to our readers and to Steve Murray of the Cox News Service from whose piece the language was lifted. With some evidence of possible problems with other pieces, we're also looking into other articles he wrote for NRO.
// National Review Online, March 24, 2006.

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:08:38pm

re: #20 kirkspencer

2016 is going to be seen as their clear opening. It'll be "their turn", speaking both of Republicans and the RWNJs. The zealotry will be intense.

True, that's a good point.

23 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:09:43pm

re: #19 engineer dog

if you ask conservatives what the word means, you get meaningless pablum like "smaller government" and "fiscal responsibility", neither of which remotely corresponds to anything the republican party ever does

in practice, it means "anything i want is, by definition, good"

This is true as well. See, knowing younger conservatives being younger myself, my observation is many of them aren't in to the whole so-con thing that has dominated their party since the Reagan years.

24 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:10:11pm

2016

perhaps that will be the election when the gop finally splits in two

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:10:45pm

re: #18 engineer dog

'conservatism', 'liberalism', 'socialism', 'fascism'

the meaning of all these words is being systematically eradicated, and the newspeak dictionary project is well underway

English is a constantly moving target; however, I do believe that we need to stop with the double meanings. I'm tired of perfectly good words and phrases becoming nasty.

26 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:12:05pm
It’s hot wingnut on wingnut action, ...

There's nothing hot about it. I've seen photos of some of the participants.

In a weird sort of a way, I'm actually kind of depressed by this. By the modern political definition of the word, I'm liberal (pro-gay marriage, atheist, pro-legalize pot) and generally vote Democratic. Having said that, I'm under no illusion that the Dems are the solution to all of the nation's woes. One party rule is never a good thing.

However, when I see what a bat-shit crazy mess the GOP has become, I really worry about the political arena in the US. The Republicans, it seems, are on a suicide course where we do it their way or they take everyone down with them.

In some respect, I take no pleasure watching the two factions tear each other apart. For fuck's sake, even Reagan and O'Neil managed to work out compromises, and you don't get two people more idealogicaly apart than those two.

Drop the dogma and do what's best for the country. Please.

27 theheat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:12:18pm

Renewed conservatism appears to be doubling up on all the worst aspects of the Republican party, and hoping more extremism works. It's anything but conservative.

And if they lose the election this time, they'll still believe they weren't conservative enough. And by conservative, they'll mean an inch or so left of the Nazi party ought to clinch the next presidency, so it's time to get serious.

28 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:13:40pm

re: #24 engineer dog

2016

perhaps that will be the election when the gop finally splits in two

No. I think it'll be the election everyone looks back at, but the actual split will be later. How much later depends on what actually happens.

29 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:14:55pm

re: #26 mattand

Compromise appears to be completely excluded from the political arena these days. All or nothing. And the public gets nothing but excuses and more problems as a result of the continuing problems. The GOP is obstructionist and the party of No. Don't like what they're doing, they'll block and thwart compromise legislation because it isn't what they want.

And that's a problem that can be attributed to the GOP leadership in Congress, and to those outside Congress who control the GOP purse strings.

30 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:17:49pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

English is a constantly moving target; however, I do believe that we need to stop with the double meanings. I'm tired of perfectly good words and phrases becoming nasty.

well, for sure language is always changing. however, look at a book like 'Liberal Fascism', for example - this is a deliberate effort to munge a bunch of words with perfectly serviceable dictionary definitions into mush, for purely political purposes

and 'socialism' - dictionaries clearly define socialism, strictly speaking, as a system of government where major industries are owned and operated by the government. in practice, it has come to mean any tax of any kind ("redistribution of income" and therefore presumably directly from the mouth of Karl Marx) and any effort by a government to help any of its citizens ("redistribution of income" yet again)

the problem with this definition is that it applies to all governments that have ever existed, so therefore karl marx has been destroying civilization ever since the sumerians first collected taxes in kind and stored them in the temple in 3500 bc

31 albusteve  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:18:04pm

re: #26 mattand

There's nothing hot about it. I've seen photos of some of the participants.

In a weird sort of a way, I'm actually kind of depressed by this. By the modern political definition of the word, I'm liberal (pro-gay marriage, atheist, pro-legalize pot) and generally vote Democratic. Having said that, I'm under no illusion that the Dems are the solution to all of the nation's woes. One party rule is never a good thing.

However, when I see what a bat-shit crazy mess the GOP has become, I really worry about the political arena in the US. The Republicans, it seems, are on a suicide course where we do it their way or they take everyone down with them.

In some respect, I take no pleasure watching the two factions tear each other apart. For fuck's sake, even Reagan and O'Neil managed to work out compromises, and you don't get two people more idealogicaly apart than those two.

Drop the dogma and do what's best for the country. Please.

Reagan and O'Neil were seasoned pols not the prima dona misfits that now infest both parties

32 albusteve  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:19:19pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Compromise appears to be completely excluded from the political arena these days. All or nothing. And the public gets nothing but excuses and more problems as a result of the continuing problems. The GOP is obstructionist and the party of No. Don't like what they're doing, they'll block and thwart compromise legislation because it isn't what they want.

And that's a problem that can be attributed to the GOP leadership in Congress, and to those outside Congress who control the GOP purse strings.

that right there is right on the money

33 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:19:30pm

Erik, son of Erik, quotes the Batman movie and its supposed to be some profound insight?

34 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:20:32pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Erik, son of Erik, quotes the Batman movie and its supposed to be some profound insight?

You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.

-Works way better.

35 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:21:23pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Compromise appears to be completely excluded from the political arena these days. All or nothing. And the public gets nothing but excuses and more problems as a result of the continuing problems. The GOP is obstructionist and the party of No. Don't like what they're doing, they'll block and thwart compromise legislation because it isn't what they want.

And that's a problem that can be attributed to the GOP leadership in Congress, and to those outside Congress who control the GOP purse strings.

It's been fascinating to watch one friend of mine, who considers himself conservative. He sort of gets the current GOP is a bit touched in the head. However, he now resorts to invoking the Magical Balance Fairy whenever politics comes up; i.e., "All them durn politicians are the same!"

It's particularly galling when he waxes poetic about the debt ceiling limit and the completely bullshit super committee. One group of people triggered that mess, and the best he can muster is "Obama and Boehner failed to provide leadership."

Loves him so Colbert, however. Still not sure he's in on the joke, though.

36 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:23:30pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.

-Works way better.

Is that line from "Thor"?

37 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:23:40pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Erik, son of Erik, quotes the Batman movie and its supposed to be some profound insight?

At least it was The Dark Knight and not Batman and Robin.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:24:00pm

re: #35 mattand

It's been fascinating to watch one friend of mine, who considers himself conservative. He sort of gets the current GOP is a bit touched in the head. However, he now resorts to invoking the Magical Balance Fairy whenever politics comes up; i.e., "All them durn politicians are the same!"

It's particularly galling when he waxes poetic about the debt ceiling limit and the completely bullshit super committee. One group of people triggered that mess, and the best he can muster is "Obama and Boehner failed to provide leadership."

Love him so Colbert, however. Still not sure he's in on the joke, though.

I can see, just from people here, how stressful this extended silly season is for long-time conservatives and Republican voters of all stripes. The sane ones, I mean. The others are happy to have their blood pressure jacked up by this nonsense, because they believe that this time, their side will win.

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:25:02pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see, just from people here, how stressful this extended silly season is for long-time conservatives and Republican voters of all stripes. The sane ones, I mean. The others are happy to have their blood pressure jacked up by this nonsense, because they believe that this time, their side will win.

(L'havdil, not to compare the nuts to Victor Laszlo.)

40 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:26:07pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.

-Works way better.

"I used to be a guard, but I took a Fus Ro Dah to the knee."

Hows that?

41 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:28:58pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see, just from people here, how stressful this extended silly season is for long-time conservatives and Republican voters of all stripes. The sane ones, I mean. The others are happy to have their blood pressure jacked up by this nonsense, because they believe that this time, their side will win.

Are you in SF proper? I'm in South Jersey, near Philly. Don't want to say it's an even mix, but outside of Philly itself, the overall area isn't dominated by one party. County by county is different story.

I always get the impression that SF is this giant monolithic bastion of unrepentant hippydom. I realize that's a gross oversimplification, but outside of Michael Savage you don't hear about that many SF conservatives.

42 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:29:59pm

Apparently, the Devil works through Obama and the UN:

Janet Parshall: Sometimes it’s imperative to be Nehemiah, a watchman on the wall, and Craig you and I see this stuff, we’re in the shadow of that Capitol dome, and I have to tell you, honestly, I just think to myself, ‘Father, in your sovereignty and in your perfect will, you called us for such a time as this.’ All that stuff you just said, God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear but a power and love and of a sound mind, and our message must be so powerful, so transformative that the Father of Lies does everything he can, works through a UN resolution or funding from the United States to try to silence the proclamation of the gospel. If anything, this should make us all the more committed to the power, the truth and the absolute transforming nature of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

43 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:30:46pm

For some time now I actually thought the GOP may be able to avoid shredding itself in the process of this primary. Ever since Grandpa Newt climbed the ladder it appears less likely. Can't say I am not going to enjoy the show.

44 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:31:04pm

re: #36 Alouette

Is that line from "Thor"?

StarCraft, when your Ghost calls in a nuke strike.

45 albusteve  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:31:14pm

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently, the Devil works through Obama and the UN:

more comedy

46 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:31:55pm

So what do people think. Is tonight going to be a rough and tumble affair or a tame don't make any mistakes kind of affair?

47 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:32:20pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

StarCraft, when your Ghost calls in a nuke strike.

Actually....

Reap the Whirlwind is a term derived from the proverbial phrase "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind", which in turn comes from the Book of Hosea in the Hebrew Bible.

(Taken from Wikipedia)

48 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:32:43pm

re: #46 Petero1818

So what do people think. Is tonight going to be a rough and tumble affair or a tame don't make any mistakes kind of affair?

Or is Newt just going to have an affair?

49 albusteve  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:32:46pm

re: #46 Petero1818

So what do people think. Is tonight going to be a rough and tumble affair or a tame don't make any mistakes kind of affair?

a pointless affair that is about making money

50 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:32:53pm

re: #46 Petero1818

So what do people think. Is tonight going to be a rough and tumble affair or a tame don't make any mistakes kind of affair?

Oh, for God's sake, there's another GOP debate tonight? How many is that, 29?

51 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:33:36pm

re: #24 engineer dog

2016

perhaps that will be the election when the gop finally splits in two

If that comes to be the case I hope one of them is a fiscal conservative, social liberal (as much as can be expected) sect. I could probably stand to listen to much of a platform like that.

52 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:34:08pm

re: #47 jamesfirecat

Actually...

Reap the Whirlwind is a term derived from the proverbial phrase "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind", which in turn comes from the Book of Hosea in the Hebrew Bible.

(Taken from Wikipedia)

True dat.
It's just more epic when nukes are involved.
:P

53 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:34:40pm

re: #50 mattand

Oh, for God's sake, there's another GOP debate tonight? How many is that, 29?

They need to make it a cage match. Rick Perry could give Ron Paul a piggy back ride while Paul screams "WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?".

54 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:35:15pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They need to make it a cage match. Rick Perry could give Ron Paul a piggy back ride while Paul screams "WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?".

No.
Just.
No.

55 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:35:32pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They need to make it a cage match. Rick Perry could give Ron Paul a piggy back ride while Paul screams "WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?".

My only regret is I can only give one positive karma point for that. Comedy gold.

56 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:35:53pm

re: #51 RayFerd

If that comes to be the case I hope one of them is a fiscal conservative, social liberal (as much as can be expected) sect. I could probably stand to listen to much of a platform like that.

The more I actually pay attention, the less "fiscal conservative" I lean.

57 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:36:35pm

re: #54 Varek Raith

No.
Just.
No.

EMBARGO ON!

58 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:37:10pm

(CNN) --" The company that owns Victoria's Secret vowed a full investigation Thursday after a report said cotton used in some of its products is grown using child labor."

In a related story, Newt Gingrich has just opened a credit account at Victoria's Secret./

59 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:37:13pm

re: #55 mattand

My only regret is I can only give one positive karma point for that. Comedy gold.

I sometimes wonder if Kragar is a comedy writer; he's that good.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:38:58pm

I've got a tech question. There's a flash application running on a site. I want to see where it sends requests to get images. Is there an utility to do this? Perhaps some plugin?

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:39:46pm

re: #58 Petero1818

(CNN) --" The company that owns Victoria's Secret vowed a full investigation Thursday after a report said cotton used in some of its products is grown using child labor."

In a related story, Newt Gingrich has just opened a credit account at Victoria's Secret./

Think of all those kids learning the value of showing up for work every Monday at 6am and working until 6pm...

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:39:59pm

re: #41 mattand

Are you in SF proper? I'm in South Jersey, near Philly. Don't want to say it's an even mix, but outside of Philly itself, the overall area isn't dominated by one party. County by county is different story.

I always get the impression that SF is this giant monolithic bastion of unrepentant hippydom. I realize that's a gross oversimplification, but outside of Michael Savage you don't hear about that many SF conservatives.

I live outside SF now--was raised in the City, lived there until I was thirty-two, but the rents got us. I'm in Contra Costa County now, near the water.

It's a deep blue area, but SF is actually far more conservative (in a Democratic-leaning way) than its reputation suggests. Big Asian community, lots of small business owners, quite conservative (with a small c). Berkeley is actually a lot more what San Francisco is supposed to be (and perhaps was during the seventies). There are San Francisco Republicans, (who endorse the Democrat they like best for mayor, along with running their own sacrificial candidate.) For the most part, they're old-school fiscal and foreign policy conservatives, socially liberal.

But yeah, most of the conservatives I actually know are online friends. Made through LGF, for the most part.

63 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:40:10pm

here's my devil's dictionary of american politics:

Conservatism: whatever multinational corporations want, dressed up with half assed justifications

Conservative Base: gullible morons who are looking for somebody vulnerable to blame all their problems on

Liberals: nice normal people who are vague about politics and would rather plan their retirements and family vacations

Socialism: a disproven and naive notion that things would be better if governments ran major industries

Communism: um, Karl Marx thought that the actual definition of Communism should be left up to the workers to figure out after they had taken control of the means of production. the USSR claimed only to be a socialist state that was "building communism"

Progressivism: a political movement of prosperous, polite, and rather condescending people with a vague notion that it behooves citizens to do something to improve society, if only they knew what that might be. we generally end up charitably throwing lots of money at people who are shit out of luck and hoping for the best

in the meantime, all modern governments promote their national pension (i.e., social security) and national health insurance programs, with mixed results, and are systematically manipulated by those with ginormous quantities of cash

64 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:40:31pm

re: #46 Petero1818

So what do people think. Is tonight going to be a rough and tumble affair or a tame don't make any mistakes kind of affair?

There's too much at stake for it to be tame. I expect a lot of fireworks.

65 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:41:27pm

re: #58 Petero1818

(CNN) --" The company that owns Victoria's Secret vowed a full investigation Thursday after a report said cotton used in some of its products is grown using child labor."

In a related story, Newt Gingrich has just opened a credit account at Victoria's Secret./

Well yeah, but, how much cotton could that possibly be? Not more than a few square yards.

66 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:44:11pm

re: #56 kirkspencer

The more I actually pay attention, the less "fiscal conservative" I lean.

I definitely don't want lunacy fiscal conservative (no taxes, no spending, etc...) but I do want smart spending and smart taxes. And closing as many loopholes in the tax code as possible. Plus taking away all the 'give aways' to corporation that make enough money to begin with.

See, I don't want much.

67 iossarian  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:44:21pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

I've got a tech question. There's a flash application running on a site. I want to see where it sends requests to get images. Is there an utility to do this? Perhaps some plugin?

Local proxy app? Can something like Squid do this in an easily configurable way?

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:44:40pm

re: #41 mattand

Are you in SF proper? I'm in South Jersey, near Philly. Don't want to say it's an even mix, but outside of Philly itself, the overall area isn't dominated by one party. County by county is different story.

I always get the impression that SF is this giant monolithic bastion of unrepentant hippydom. I realize that's a gross oversimplification, but outside of Michael Savage you don't hear about that many SF conservatives.

And I just realized what you were responding to in my post. When I said 'people here', I mean people on LGF, not people in my physical location.

:)

69 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:45:50pm

Just got my annual review.

2% raise, $1900 bonus

70 iossarian  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:46:51pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just got my annual review.

2% raise, $1900 bonus

Not a CEO then.

/

71 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:49:01pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Drinks on you!!!!

Congrats.

72 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:49:25pm

SF is this giant monolithic bastion of unrepentant hippydom

and "the people's republic of berkeley"

if the above were true, it would mean that us unrepentant communist hippies are among the highest income earners in the united states, living in some of the most expensive real estate in the country

73 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:53:10pm

re: #66 RayFerd

I definitely don't want lunacy fiscal conservative (no taxes, no spending, etc...) but I do want smart spending and smart taxes. And closing as many loopholes in the tax code as possible. Plus taking away all the 'give aways' to corporation that make enough money to begin with.

See, I don't want much.

But you see, "smart" winds up being extremely subjective. Now the loopholes and giveaways... actually, several of those end up being subjective as well. Are they loopholes, or are they inducements that encourage desired behavior (or compensate for unintended abuses of other elements of law)?

caveat: I'm the pusher of the "simple" tax. All income (including investment, retirement, capital gains, gifts, inheritances, etc) counts. Deduct all actual expenditures as expenses, with an alternate expense of 200% of the federal poverty limit, to get net income. 50% of net income goes to taxes.

74 Kragar  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 12:58:50pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Drinks on you!!!

Congrats.

A ROUND OF TAP WATER FOR EVERYONE!

75 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 1:01:55pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just got my annual review.

2% raise, $1900 bonus

Donuts PLZ!!!!!

76 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 1:02:16pm

re: #73 kirkspencer

But you see, "smart" winds up being extremely subjective. Now the loopholes and giveaways... actually, several of those end up being subjective as well. Are they loopholes, or are they inducements that encourage desired behavior (or compensate for unintended abuses of other elements of law)?

caveat: I'm the pusher of the "simple" tax. All income (including investment, retirement, capital gains, gifts, inheritances, etc) counts. Deduct all actual expenditures as expenses, with an alternate expense of 200% of the federal poverty limit, to get net income. 50% of net income goes to taxes.

True, and I actually had the word smart in quotes when I was writing the comment but I took them off. I can go for the "any money you acquire" taxed idea.

Loopholes can be closed but incentives can still be given under strict controls (regulations if you will). These incentives should have very strict criteria to be received, and if the criteria is not met they should be taken back right then. And if incentives are abused habitually by any entity the right to those incentives should be permanently revoked.

77 Petero1818  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 1:25:56pm

re: #65 Alouette

Well yeah, but, how much cotton could that possibly be? Not more than a few square yards.

Well yeah, but its not how much cotton there is...its how much there isnt.

78 Mattand  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 1:27:43pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

And I just realized what you were responding to in my post. When I said 'people here', I mean people on LGF, not people in my physical location.

:)

D'OH!!!!


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