Ron Paul Raised Money by Forecasting ‘Race War’

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Imagine my surprise that more evidence of Ron Paul’s long history of racism and far right fear-mongering is now coming to light. Reuters has unearthed a blatantly racist and homophobic direct-mail advertisement for the infamous Ron Paul newsletters: In ad for newsletter, Ron Paul forecast race war.

A direct-mail solicitation for Ron Paul’s political and investment newsletters two decades ago warned of a “coming race war in our big cities” and of a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to play down the impact of AIDS.

The eight-page letter, which appears to carry Paul’s signature at the end, also warns that the U.S. government’s redesign of currency to include different colors - a move aimed at thwarting counterfeiters - actually was part of a plot to allow the government to track Americans using the “new money.”

The letter urges readers to subscribe to Paul’s newsletters so that he could “tell you how you can save yourself and your family” from an overbearing government.

The letter’s details emerge at a time when Paul, now a contender for the Republican nomination for president, is under fire over reports that his newsletters contained racist, anti-homosexual and anti-Israel rants.

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632 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:34:24pm

A race war? The elves against the orcs? The orcs against the hobbits? The hobbits against the ents? (Did someone cut off dinner?)

Wait--boring old people vs. people? We've been doing that for a long time.

It's as stupid as it sounds.

2 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:37:20pm

Yep, it's a stupid white confederate socon.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:37:52pm

Oh, and if you get a plug-in microscope for your computer, you can find all kinds of cool anti-counterfeiting features on the bills.

Did you know on the $50, there's people on the walkway to the capital.

4 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:40:06pm

Toast

5 theheat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:41:29pm

Once you start peeling back the layers, Ron Paul's depravity is the gift that keeps on giving. They could milk his insanity right up to the nomination and never run out of dirty laundry to air. And I hope they do, so this lying old fuck can get put to bed once and for all.

6 Achilles Tang  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:43:37pm

Why did not all this come out when he last ran for president?

7 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:46:09pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

Oh, and if you get a plug-in microscope for your computer, you can find all kinds of cool anti-counterfeiting features on the bills.

Did you know on the $50, there's people on the walkway to the capital.

Canada's going to plastic bills. That way our policies will stretch but not break.

Or maybe it was the Mallards that are going plastic.

8 nines09  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:46:18pm

Yes, America. He IS Freaking Nuts.

9 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:48:10pm

You mean Paul used to be as outwardly nutty as Bachmann?

I guess he's gotten mellower in his old age.

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:51:54pm

What, exactly, is a federal homosexual cover-up?

Is it like the federal cover-up of the effects of fluoridation?

11 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:54:06pm

re: #10 EmmmieG

What, exactly, is a federal homosexual cover-up?

A blanket or a duvet!

12 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:54:26pm

re: #10 EmmmieG

What, exactly, is a federal homosexual cover-up?

Is it like the federal cover-up of the effects of fluoridation?

Area 51.

13 Meitantei  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:55:54pm

Posted this in the other thread, but this seems more relevant. Anyone knows anything about Paul's "We the people" act?

14 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 6:56:35pm

I'm thinking at this point, Luap Nor is pining for the good old days when no one took him seriously and no one asked him probing questions.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:04:32pm

Holy Mackerel.

It is 2:20 on the back of the $100.

National Treasure must be right!

Image: Image336b.jpg

16 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:05:31pm

I can only say this:

17 darthstar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:05:43pm

re: #14 makeitstop

I'm thinking at this point, Luap Nor is pining for the good old days when no one took him seriously and no one asked him probing questions.

The fact that he could be such a bigot and still represent the people of his district in Texas says as much about them as it does about him. People like this(Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann) are given credibility for their bigotry by voters...repeatedly. We shouldn't elect these people and then be shocked by their behavior.

18 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:05:50pm

re: #14 makeitstop

I'm thinking at this point, Luap Nor is pining for the good old days when no one took him seriously and no one asked him probing questions.

That and the fjords.

19 darthstar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:07:54pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

Holy Mackerel.

It is 2:20 on the back of the $100.

National Treasure must be right!

Image: Image336b.jpg

That's Mountain time...it's really 4:20!

20 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:09:01pm

re: #11 bratwurst

A blanket or a duvet!

Dust ruffles.

21 Gus  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:09:35pm

That whole thing where he walks out on the CNN reporter. Here he had a chance to denounce but more importantly he was actually given opportunity to denounce what was said in his newsletter. He didn't even take that opportunity and that say a lot about the man. He alleges that he basically let others speak for him. Yet he has never really denounced these allegedly ghost written articles with full measure.

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:10:46pm

re: #19 darthstar

That's Mountain time...it's really 4:20!

Benjamin Franklin lived in a pre-standardization era. Time was standardized for the railroads.

Who knows what 2:20 during the 1700's at Independence Hall would be now. Probably somewhere between 2 and 3, but that's about as close as I would guess.

23 Gus  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:11:12pm

And the worst part. Ron Paul is this alleged anti-government guy that's been in the USAF Reserve for almost 40 years and he's been a government, er, Congressman since when? In addition to his "government job" with Reagan. Some anti-government guy he is.

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:12:52pm

BTW, just in case you care, if you give a 10 year old boy a plug-in computer microscope, he will examine the inside of his nose with it.

25 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:12:58pm

Evening lizards!

The long time committed followers of Ron Paul will ignore all this and continue to support him. The rest who didn't know about his past until now will run away IMO.

26 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:13:03pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Toast

But Dr. Toast delivered millions of babies!

27 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:13:10pm

re: #21 Gus 802

That whole thing where he walks out on the CNN reporter. Here he had a chance to denounce but more importantly he was actually given opportunity to denounce what was said in his newsletter. He didn't even take that opportunity and that say a lot about the man. He alleges that he basically let others speak for him. Yet he has never really denounced these allegedly ghost written articles with full measure.

The fact that Paul hasn't denounced the hateful, bigoted, kooky crap that was in his newsletters implies a tacit approval of said crap.

Fuck him.

28 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:16:23pm

I'm wondering, all these years the entire MSM has ignored all this. Why all of a sudden are they pushing this full blast?

29 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:16:32pm
30 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:17:35pm

re: #17 darthstar

The fact that he could be such a bigot and still represent the people of his district in Texas says as much about them as it does about him. People like this(Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann) are given credibility for their bigotry by voters...repeatedly. We shouldn't elect these people and then be shocked by their behavior.

You can see his district on this map; it's the most darkly shaded part of Texas:
[Link: chattahbox.com...]

31 Alexzander  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:17:40pm

HELTER SKELTER

32 Gus  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:19:14pm

re: #27 talon_262

The fact that Paul hasn't denounced the hateful, bigoted, kooky crap that was in his newsletters implies a tacit approval of said crap.

Fuck him.

He's trying to run away from his past through denial. He can't even relive his racist past since it hurts him so much. Perhaps? He's probably a man in turmoil. Since he can't even speak of his past, his own self, and must repress it down and storm off in defiance.

33 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:20:24pm

re: #31 Alexzander

HELTER SKELTER

34 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:21:32pm

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering, all these years the entire MSM has ignored all this. Why all of a sudden are they pushing this full blast?

I've been scratching my head on this one as well. Speaking for mainstream conservatives, we've known all along that Paul is a kook - or something. However, our left-wing friends have seemed to give Paul a pass. My guess is because they've seen the more effective and likable conservatives as bigger targets that they fear will pick up the centrist vote - much like what happened in 2010. No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously.

35 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:22:06pm

That the same coverup of AIDS that was in his newsletter when he said that gay people "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick"?

36 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:22:41pm

re: #34 rwmofo

I've been scratching my head on this one as well. Speaking for mainstream conservatives, we've known all along that Paul is a kook - or something. However, our left-wing friends have seemed to give Paul a pass. My guess is because they've seen the more effective and likable conservatives as bigger targets that they fear will pick up the centrist vote - much like what happened in 2010. No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously.

That may be changing.

37 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:23:09pm

re: #34 rwmofo

My guess is because they've seen the more effective and likable conservatives as bigger targets that they fear will pick up the centrist vote - much like what happened in 2010. No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously.

Please elaborate.

38 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:24:53pm

re: #34 rwmofo

I've been scratching my head on this one as well. Speaking for mainstream conservatives, we've known all along that Paul is a kook - or something. However, our left-wing friends have seemed to give Paul a pass. My guess is because they've seen the more effective and likable conservatives as bigger targets that they fear will pick up the centrist vote - much like what happened in 2010. No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously.

There seems to be a lot of RP supporters at HuffPo. I didn't know they frequented that site.

39 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:25:09pm

re: #35 The Mountain That Blogs

That the same coverup of AIDS that was in his newsletter when he said that gay people "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick"?

An entire subset of the population playing the victim, yah sure. Why does the right always whine about others playing the victim?

War on Christmas anyone?

40 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:25:22pm

re: #35 The Mountain That Blogs

That the same coverup of AIDS that was in his newsletter when he said that gay people "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick"?

Oh wow, that's pretty fucking cavemantastic.

41 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:31:45pm

There is a tendency for people to go conservative when under threat. The 2008 crash is still an important threat in many people's minds and RP's economic solution is as extreme as possible without going full anarchist. It may be people are so worried they're latching on to a supposed solution as extreme as their fear.

42 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:31:55pm

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

There seems to be a lot of RP supporters at HuffPo. I didn't know they frequented that site.

Extremes meet. Luap Nor has elements of both the far right and the far left in his Bad Craziness.

43 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:32:26pm

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering, all these years the entire MSM has ignored all this. Why all of a sudden are they pushing this full blast?

They smell blood in the water, another reason to keep the drama up for ratings.

44 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:33:03pm

A Ron Paul website accuses 'the establishment' for discrediting Luap Nor...Heh.

ADMIN FOR RONPAULTODAY.COM: I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS A COMPLETE FABRIC ATION, OR PAID BY THE ESTABLISHMENT TO DISCREDIT RON PAUL AND HIS SUPPORTERS. ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT LIBERTARIANISM KNOWS THAT LIBERTARIANISM DOES NOT SEPARATE PEOPLE INTO GROUPS, OR GIVE FAVORABLE TREATMENT OR LESS THAN FAVORABLE TREATMENT TO ANYONE. LIBERTARIANISM IS A “LIVE AND LET LIVE” PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS TOTALLY COUNTER TO RACISM. THE ESTABLISHMENT IS SCARED TO DEATH OF RON PAUL BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING THAT WILL DO WHAT HE SAYS, UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER SOCIOPATH POLITICIANS THAT SAY ONE THING BUT DOES THE OPPOSITE. JUST KNOW THAT THE HIGHER RON PAUL POLLS THEN YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF THIS GARBAGE.

45 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:34:54pm

re: #34 rwmofo

I've been scratching my head on this one as well. Speaking for mainstream conservatives, we've known all along that Paul is a kook - or something. However, our left-wing friends have seemed to give Paul a pass. My guess is because they've seen the more effective and likable conservatives as bigger targets that they fear will pick up the centrist vote - much like what happened in 2010. No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously.

HAHAHAHA, yes, it's liberals who've given Paul a pass. He's part of your caucus, and his popularity is rising within it. Deal with the fact that he's resonating with the Republican base right now because the Republican party's latent racism is coming to the surface.

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering, all these years the entire MSM has ignored all this. Why all of a sudden are they pushing this full blast?

Probably because right now he's now a leading contender in the Anybody but Romney Sweepstakes. The major networks and newspapers haven't paid much prior attention to him because Ron Paul never polled well outside the internet before. Now he's riding a wave fueled by the promise of legalized weed and a repeal of the civil rights act, a redneck yokel's wet dream.

46 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:35:08pm

The hilarious thing?

Even with the entire GOP field falling apart, Jesus still told Palin and Huckabee they didn't have a chance this time around.

47 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:35:28pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

MIN FOR RONPAULTODAY.COM: I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS A COMPLETE FABRIC ATION, OR PAID BY THE ESTABLISHMENT TO DISCREDIT RON PAUL AND HIS SUPPORTERS. ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT LIBERTARIANISM KNOWS THAT LIBERTARIANISM DOES NOT SEPARATE PEOPLE INTO GROUPS, OR GIVE FAVORABLE TREATMENT OR LESS THAN FAVORABLE TREATMENT TO ANYONE. LIBERTARIANISM IS A “LIVE AND LET LIVE” PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS TOTALLY COUNTER TO RACISM. THE ESTABLISHMENT IS SCARED TO DEATH OF RON PAUL BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING THAT WILL DO WHAT HE SAYS, UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER SOCIOPATH POLITICIANS THAT SAY ONE THING BUT DOES THE OPPOSITE. JUST KNOW THAT THE HIGHER RON PAUL POLLS THEN YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF THIS GARBAGE.

DERP DERP DERP. DERP, DERP. DE-DERP DERPY DERP.

DERP, DERP

48 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:36:09pm

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The hilarious thing?

Even with the entire GOP field falling apart, Jesus still told Palin and Huckabee they didn't have a chance this time around.

He's a practical jokester, that Jesus.

49 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:38:16pm

IMHO the biggest fucktards responsible for this guy all live in Texas' 14th Congressional District.

50 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:39:06pm

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering, all these years the entire MSM has ignored all this. Why all of a sudden are they pushing this full blast?

Haven't you noticed the pattern? Each whacky GOP candidate's dirty laundry got aired when they surged. Bachmann's "pray away the gay" husband, then Perry's derogatory stone, Cain's women, then all Newt's baggage. Paul became the frontrunner in Iowa when Newt started back down, so it was his turn. Before that, he was just crazy uncle Ron who noone outside his cult took seriously.

51 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:39:06pm

I think it's time for a new Ron Poll Paul poll.

52 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:39:49pm

re: #50 aagcobb

Haven't you noticed the pattern? Each whacky GOP candidate's dirty laundry got aired when they surged. Bachmann's "pray away the gay" husband, then Perry's derogatory stone, Cain's women, then all Newt's baggage. Paul became the frontrunner in Iowa when Newt started back down, so it was his turn. Before that, he was just crazy uncle Ron who noone outside his cult took seriously.

In other words, they all got what they wished for.

53 Olsonist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:40:20pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

Yep. Ron Paul is actually a liberal and it's the liberal MSM that's giving him a pass; you know, professional courtesy. Yeah, that's it.

In fact I'll be happy if this is the ultimate Ron Paul flameout. I do have Paulian friends. Funny, the Paulians have always seemed a bit more of a cult to me. Whenever I scratched the surface, they seemed nuts. But nuts is one thing. Racist nuts is another.

I can't stand his son either.

54 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:41:12pm

Vetting is a wonderful thing.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:41:42pm

The OWS crowd has an answer to all the law enforcement surveillance cams watching them.

Behold the Occucopter!

56 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:41:43pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

A Ron Paul website accuses 'the establishment' for discrediting Luap Nor...Heh.

ADMIN FOR RONPAULTODAY.COM: I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS A COMPLETE FABRIC ATION, OR PAID BY THE ESTABLISHMENT TO DISCREDIT RON PAUL AND HIS SUPPORTERS. ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT LIBERTARIANISM KNOWS THAT LIBERTARIANISM DOES NOT SEPARATE PEOPLE INTO GROUPS, OR GIVE FAVORABLE TREATMENT OR LESS THAN FAVORABLE TREATMENT TO ANYONE. LIBERTARIANISM IS A “LIVE AND LET LIVE” PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS TOTALLY COUNTER TO RACISM. THE ESTABLISHMENT IS SCARED TO DEATH OF RON PAUL BECAUSE THEY KNOW HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING THAT WILL DO WHAT HE SAYS, UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER SOCIOPATH POLITICIANS THAT SAY ONE THING BUT DOES THE OPPOSITE. JUST KNOW THAT THE HIGHER RON PAUL POLLS THEN YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF THIS GARBAGE.

"The Establishment"? OMG, OLIGARHY!!1

57 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:42:53pm

re: #37 BigPapa

Please elaborate.

Here are a couple examples:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I could go on, but it's really easy to find numerous instances.

58 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:43:37pm

///Well you can't expect the man to read everything he signs! That's why he gave me power of attorney and own his house!

59 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:43:57pm

re: #52 JasonA

In other words, they all got what they wished for.

Exactly; this GOP field is such a joke that no-one could take any of these candidates seriously until they surged in the polls. Once they surge, they all have such obvious flaws its like shooting fish in a barrel.

60 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:44:23pm

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

The OWS crowd has an answer to all the law enforcement surveillance cams watching them.

Behold the Occucopter!

Simple answers to that thing:

1. Broadband jamming of its radio frequencies. The NYPD has jammers like that.

2. Birdshot. Load a police shotgun with birdshot and have your best wingshooter knock the mini-copter down.

61 Gus  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:44:24pm

re: #57 rwmofo

Here are a couple examples:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I could go on, but it's really easy to find numerous instances.

Sad because you know Alan Colmes is pretty funny and on point a lot of times.

62 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:46:02pm

re: #57 rwmofo

Here are a couple examples:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I could go on, but it's really easy to find numerous instances.

Whoa, that was sweet. Charles liked a conservative in 2008!

You consider Palin an 'effective and likeable conservative?'

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:46:08pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Sad because you know Alan Colmes is pretty funny and on point a lot of times.

Well, Colmes did to himself that time. All Charles did was call him on it.

64 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:47:38pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

65 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:47:47pm

re: #62 BigPapa

Whoa, that was sweet. Charles liked a conservative in 2008!

You consider Palin an 'effective and likeable conservative?'

Don't change the subject just yet. You asked for examples and then downdinged rwmofo when he provided them. What gives? LGF isn't a 'nutcase' source.

66 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:48:04pm

re: #57 rwmofo

Here are a couple examples:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I could go on, but it's really easy to find numerous instances.

Sarah Palin is LIKEABLE and EFFECTIVE I have trouble believing "or" let alone "and"!

67 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:50:06pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Simple answers to that thing:

1. Broadband jamming of its radio frequencies. The NYPD has jammers like that.

2. Birdshot. Load a police shotgun with birdshot and have your best wingshooter knock the mini-copter down.

Isn't option two a rather obvious bit of vandalism, I mean it's illegal for you to just destroy someone's property even if you're a police officer!

68 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:50:56pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Don't change the subject just yet. You asked for examples and then downdinged rwmofo when he provided them. What gives? LGF isn't a 'nutcase' source.

Because they're not valid examples.

Do you consider Sarah Palin likeable?

Do you consider Sarah Palin effective?

69 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:51:58pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Because they're not valid examples.

Do you consider Sarah Palin likeable?

Do you consider Sarah Palin effective?

That depends.

She is effective at annoying people and driving moderates out of the Republican party.

Thats not what you meant, is it?

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:52:05pm

re: #35 The Mountain That Blogs

That the same coverup of AIDS that was in his newsletter when he said that gay people "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick"?

They get an even greater kick out of the attention and pity that comes from being dead.

//Fucking Ron Paul

71 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:52:20pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Don't change the subject just yet. You asked for examples and then downdinged rwmofo when he provided them. What gives? LGF isn't a 'nutcase' source.

I'm not changing the subject, RWMofo is.

The question was why is the media paying attention to Ron Paul now. RW's answer was 'they see him as an effective conservative' while pointing out Charles' previous questioning of Colme's snotty hit on her... which is somewhat irrelevant.

So the answer is, if I interpret RW correctly, because Paul is actually a good candidate now and the liberals deem him a threat.

72 Gus  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:52:23pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Well, Colmes did to himself that time. All Charles did was call him on it.

I never keep track. ;)

73 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:52:48pm

re: #62 BigPapa

Whoa, that was sweet. Charles liked a conservative in 2008!

You consider Palin an 'effective and likeable conservative?'

Maybe you could Google videos of one (or several) of her speeches. Observe the audience, then feel free to ask your question again. I'm not asking you to split atoms - or something. This should be relatively easy to follow.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:53:53pm

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

The OWS crowd has an answer to all the law enforcement surveillance cams watching them.

Behold the Occucopter!

'citizen drone'

It has a sort of ring to it.

75 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:54:04pm

re: #73 rwmofo

Maybe you could Google videos of one (or several) of her speeches. Observe the audience, then feel free to ask your question again. I'm not asking you to split atoms - or something. This should be relatively easy to follow.

Why don't you set up some clear goal lines?

"Effective" and "Likeable" are very vague terms, how do you define them?

76 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:54:12pm

Has Ron Paul ever sponsored any serious legislation that was passed?

77 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:54:17pm

re: #71 BigPapa

So the answer is, if I interpret RW correctly, because Paul is actually a good candidate now and the liberals deem him a threat.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:55:26pm

re: #73 rwmofo

Maybe you could Google videos of one (or several) of her speeches. Observe the audience, then feel free to ask your question again. I'm not asking you to split atoms - or something. This should be relatively easy to follow.

We're talking about the woman who doesn't dare say she's either running or not running for president, and who has been reduced to complaining about the White House Christmas card?

79 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:55:29pm

re: #73 rwmofo

Maybe you could Google videos of one (or several) of her speeches. Observe the audience, then feel free to ask your question again. I'm not asking you to split atoms - or something. This should be relatively easy to follow.

It should be easy to follow. Is, or, was at that time, Palin an effective candidate?

80 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:55:41pm

re: #76 jaunte

Has Ron Paul ever sponsored any serious legislation that was passed?

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

Ronald Paul has sponsored 421 bills since Jan 7, 1997 of which 418 haven't made it out of committee and 1 were successfully enacted. Paul has co-sponsored 2,385 bills during the same time period. (The count of enacted bills considers only bills, and not resolutions, actually sponsored by Paul and companion bills identified by CRS that were themselves enacted, but not if they were incorporated into other bills, as that information is not readily available.)

Some of Paul’s most recently sponsored bills include...
[Track This Bill] H.R. 2908: Testimonial Free Speech Act of 2011
[Track This Bill] H.R. 3267: Protect Small Business Jobs Act of 2011
[Track This Bill] H.R. 2044: Health Freedom Act
[Track This Bill] H.R. 2045: Freedom of Health Speech Act
[Track This Bill] H.R. 1830: To authorize the interstate traffic of unpasteurized milk and milk products that are packaged for direct human consumption.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:56:26pm

re: #75 jamesfirecat

Why don't you set up some clear goal lines?

"Effective" and "Likeable" are very vague terms, how do you define them?

People who like her REALLY like her.

That this is true for pretty much any politician out there, not to mention pop star, doesn't detract from the fact that the twoo believers think Sarah is the cat's meow.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:56:44pm

Bachmann, Huntsman, Santorum not on Va. primary ballot

Four Republican presidential candidates – Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry and Ron Paul -- submitted paper work in time to qualify for Virginia's March 6 primary ballot.

No other GOP contender will be on the Virginia ballot. Rep. Michele Bachmann, former Sen. Rick Santorum and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman did not submit signatures with Virginia's State Board of Elections by today's 5 p.m. deadline.

Those who submitted the required signatures must clear another hurdle. The Republican Party of Virginia has until Tuesday to certify which candidates qualify.

...Candidates must submit the signatures of at least 10,000 registered voters, with 400 from each of the 11 Congressional districts.

Romney submitted 16,026 signatures; Paul 14,361; Perry 11,911 and Gingrich 11,050.

The state GOP decided that candidates who submit at least 15,000 signatures of registered voters on valid petitions with at least 600 signatures from each of the 11 districts will be deemed to have met the qualifications.

It could be only Mitt Romney and Ron Paul on the ballot here in Virginia. That really narrows the field down, doesn't it?

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:56:54pm

re: #77 JasonA


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah, it used to be that I was terrified of Sarah Palin. How times have changed.

84 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:57:07pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Track This Bill] H.R. 1830: To authorize the interstate traffic of unpasteurized milk and milk products that are packaged for direct human consumption.

It's no wonder the bacteria hate us so much.

85 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 7:57:56pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

See here's where the 'serious' part comes in:

H.R. 2045: Freedom of Health Speech Act

112th Congress: 2011-2012
To amend the Federal Trade Commission Act concerning the burden of proof in false advertising cases involving dietary supplements and dietary ingredients.

"Why can't they claim it cures dropsy if they want?"

86 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:00:58pm

re: #71 BigPapa

I'm not changing the subject, RWMofo is.

The question was why is the media paying attention to Ron Paul now. RW's answer was 'they see him as an effective conservative' while pointing out Charles' previous questioning of Colme's snotty hit on her... which is somewhat irrelevant.

So the answer is, if I interpret RW correctly, because Paul is actually a good candidate now and the liberals deem him a threat.

Huh?

In comment #34 I said about Ron Paul:

"we've known all along that Paul is a kook..."

and:

"No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously."

...and you concluded that I said he's a good candidate?

Dude, put the bong down. Seriously.

87 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:01:18pm

re: #85 jaunte

See here's where the 'serious' part comes in:

"Why can't they claim it cures dropsy if they want?"

"The active ingredient happens to be sawdust for your information, Mr High and Mighty FDA man!"

88 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:01:33pm
89 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:01:49pm

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"organic essence of mountain pine"

90 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:01:54pm

For the record, and just to sweeten the pot, I was a 'believer' in Palin at first. So very generally speaking I was initially a supporter or her. But when she was looked upon seriously the reality that she was a buffoon was too big a reality to ignore.

I hope this conversation isn't a revision of history in that she was destroyed by the liberal media because she was a serious candidate. She was vetted, and failed. The fact that she was savaged at times pretty nastily should not take away from the fact that she was not ready for prime time then, now, or ever.

91 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:02:04pm

re: #67 jamesfirecat

Isn't option two a rather obvious bit of vandalism, I mean it's illegal for you to just destroy someone's property even if you're a police officer!

Two is an effective solution, but likely not a legal one. As I've thought, an option 3 has presented itself:

3. Huff-Duff (High Frequency-Direction Finding): Use direction finding gear that can triangulate radio transmissions to find the drone's controller and vector in a snatch squad. If they are working remotely, use a DoS attack to shut down their ability to control the drone.

4. Ron Paul! (I couldn't resist.)

92 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:03:22pm

re: #90 BigPapa

Same here.

93 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:03:25pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Whitey Christmas!

BURN!

94 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:03:35pm

re: #57 rwmofo

Here are a couple examples:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I could go on, but it's really easy to find numerous instances.

You should have gone on, here's something more recent that you deliberately overlooked:

I’d like to express my sincere and utmost regret that I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, instead of Barack Obama.

If I could go back in time and reverse that vote, knowing what I know today, I would.

I’m sorry, Nation.

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Don't change the subject just yet. You asked for examples and then downdinged rwmofo when he provided them. What gives? LGF isn't a 'nutcase' source.

You're defending a known troll's overt lie by omission, how pathetic.

95 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:03:59pm

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering, all these years the entire MSM has ignored all this. Why all of a sudden are they pushing this full blast?

Maybe because up until now the GOP base wasn't crazy enough to possibly give him a few primary wins? The GOP wants to have it both ways: they want their voters to bring their craziness, resentment and bigotry into the voting booth, but keep it hidden from the public. It's getting increasingly hard to do.

96 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:05:54pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Two is an effective solution, but likely not a legal one. As I've thought, an option 3 has presented itself:

3. Huff-Duff (High Frequency-Direction Finding): Use direction finding gear that can triangulate radio transmissions to find the drone's controller and vector in a snatch squad. If they are working remotely, use a DoS attack to shut down their ability to control the drone.

4. Ron Paul! (I couldn't resist.)

Umm... what are you going to snatch them for? What crime have they committed?

Is it illegal to videotape the Police going about their jobs in public in New York?

Honestly D_F you remind me a lot of Odo at times, it's not Justice you want, it's just order.

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:06:31pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

You should have gone on, here's something more recent that you deliberately overlooked:

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

You're defending a known troll's overt lie by omission, how pathetic.

What omission? All I saw was rwmofo answering a question!

98 dragonath  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:07:10pm

re: #84 JasonA

Raw milk. It's AMERICAN

It's like he's getting funding from the tuberculosis lobby or something.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:07:51pm

re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal

Maybe because up until now the GOP base wasn't crazy enough to possibly give him a few primary wins? The GOP wants to have it both ways: they want their voters to bring their craziness, resentment and bigotry into the voting booth, but keep it hidden from the public. It's getting increasingly hard to do.

It's not just the GOP. Ron Paul has had his own followers for years and now people from both parties who didn't care about him in the past are also falling for his so called message.

100 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:08:24pm

re: #98 dragonath

H.R. 2908: Testimonial Free Speech Act of 2011
To protect the First Amendment rights of individuals to share their experiences and perceptions of the effects of foods and dietary supplements.[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

Raw Milk; it cured my tuberculotitis right up.

101 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:08:57pm

re: #86 rwmofo

Huh?

In comment #34 I said about Ron Paul:

"we've known all along that Paul is a kook..."

and:

"No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously."

...and you concluded that I said he's a good candidate?

Dude, put the bong down. Seriously.

Yes, but... you also seemed to imply Paul was a 'more effective and likeable conservative. ' Therefore, I asked you to please elaborate.

Your response was to post links to LGF posts of Charles calling out attacks on Palin.

So you think Paul is a kook... but he's a 'more effective and likeable conservative?' Or are you interpreting the liberal media's motivations?

Because if you are, they've mistaken him for a likeable and effective conservative.

102 Atlas Fails  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:09:07pm

re: #98 dragonath

Raw milk. It's AMERICAN

It's like he's getting funding from the tuberculosis lobby or something.

Watching Paulbots twist themselves in knots trying to explain aways Luap Nor's racism is delicious. They are not nearly as smart as they think they are.

103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:09:46pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat

Umm... what are you going to snatch them for? What crime have they committed?

Is it illegal to videotape the Police going about their jobs in public in New York?

Honestly D_F you remind me a lot of Odo at times, it's not Justice you want, it's just order.

The micro-drone may itself be the violation, since having one hovering over a crowd could pose a danger if its engine fails.

And James, you should know that I figure out ways to counter new tactics and devices almost compulsively. The chess player /board gamer that is Dark_Falcon is always looking for ways to counter the opposition's newest ideas and devices.

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:10:55pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

The micro-drone may itself be the violation, since having one hovering over a crowd could pose a danger if its engine fails.

And James, you should know that I figure out ways to counter new tactics and devices almost compulsively. The chess player /board gamer that is Dark_Falcon is always looking for ways to counter the opposition's newest ideas and devices.

Yeah, but I bet you never expect the Spanish Inquisition.

105 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:11:56pm

re: #98 dragonath

Raw milk. It's AMERICAN

It's like he's getting funding from the tuberculosis lobby or something.

Actually, unpasteurized cheeses retain some popularity in France. So those who favor this as a "get the government off our backs!!1" bill are really supporting French imports. [wingnut heads explode]

106 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:12:01pm

H.R. 1495: Gold Reserve Transparency Act of 2011
To provide for an audit of all gold owned by the United States.
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

Jobs program for the Ft. Knox area.

107 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:12:23pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

The micro-drone may itself be the violation, since having one hovering over a crowd could pose a danger if its engine fails.

And James, you should know that I figure out ways to counter new tactics and devices almost compulsively. The chess player /board gamer that is Dark_Falcon is always looking for ways to counter the opposition's newest ideas and devices.

The troubling part to me is that you always seem to think of someone as "the opposition."

108 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:12:49pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

The micro-drone may itself be the violation, since having one hovering over a crowd could pose a danger if its engine fails.

And James, you should know that I figure out ways to counter new tactics and devices almost compulsively. The chess player /board gamer that is Dark_Falcon is always looking for ways to counter the opposition's newest ideas and devices.

Try and focus on coming up with legal ones... it makes you look more like a chess player and less like a would be tyrant.

(Just saying in all honesty the hovering over people could pose a danger thing seems rather reasonable to me but only in that particular case not for the drone itself if it was used in a more open area)

109 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:12:55pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

Yeah, but I bet you never expect the Spanish Inquisition.

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

110 jdivito98  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:13:15pm

Uncle Paul, the original truther..

This guy was a hustler making money off conspiracy theories for decades..

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:13:17pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

Yeah, but I bet you never expect the Spanish Inquisition.

I'm not afraid of them. My Omnimech has Anti-Personnel Pods (basically Claymore mines mounted in a Battlemech's legs).

112 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:13:36pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

What omission? All I saw was rwmofo answering a question!

Except he didn't actually answer it, he never demonstrated how Sarah was either effective or likable. Also comparing unsupported rumors regarding her son to the documented contents of Ron Paul's own newsletter is in no way equivalent.

113 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:13:45pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

It's not just the GOP. Ron Paul has had his own followers for years and now people from both parties who didn't care about him in the past are also falling for his so called message.

You think Democrats will be voting for Ron Paul in the Iowa caucus? Sorry dude he's yours. Just like the Tea Partiers, all of whom ran as Republicans. I don't know a single Democrat, even the emoprogs, who will vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances. If he does well, it will be because of the nuts in the GOP. The racism is probably an added bonus.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:16:27pm

re: #108 jamesfirecat

Try and focus on coming up with legal ones... it makes you look more like a chess player and less like a would be tyrant.

(Just saying in all honesty the hovering over people could pose a danger thing seems rather reasonable to me but only in that particular case not for the drone itself if it was used in a more open area)

Well, if you brought the drone out to the model airplane field, I'd have no problem with it. But I'd by kind of mad if I was walking around the outside of a demonstration and it fell on me. And if I needed medical care I would consider myself justified in suing the drone's operator.

115 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:17:05pm

re: #101 BigPapa

Yes, but... you also seemed to imply Paul was a 'more effective and likeable conservative. ' Therefore, I asked you to please elaborate.

Your response was to post links to LGF posts of Charles calling out attacks on Palin.

So you think Paul is a kook... but he's a 'more effective and likeable conservative?' Or are you interpreting the liberal media's motivations?

Because if you are, they've mistaken him for a likeable and effective conservative.

I never said anything flattering about Ron Paul. My comments pertaining to him have been 100% negative. Yet you persist with your distortions. I have bigger fish to fry.

116 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:17:19pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Except he didn't actually answer it, he never demonstrated how Sarah was either effective or likable. Also comparing unsupported rumors regarding her son to the documented contents of Ron Paul's own newsletter is in no way equivalent.

Maybe I missed something. That discussion might have started before I thought it did.

117 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:17:33pm

re: #113 moderatelyradicalliberal

You think Democrats will be voting for Ron Paul in the Iowa caucus? Sorry dude he's yours. Just like the Tea Partiers, all of whom ran as Republicans. I don't know a single Democrat, even the emoprogs, who will vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances. If he does well, it will be because of the nuts in the GOP. The racism is probably an added bonus.

Oh really?

Some Dems join the Ron Paul bandwagon

Manchester, Ia. — Ron Paul’s commitment to civil liberties has at least one Iowa Democrat considering caucusing for the Republican candidate.

Travis Bockenstedt, of Cedar Rapids, told the congressman he was “on the verge of converting.

“There’s a few reasons for that. One: I am a gay Iowan, and one thing that I do like is that you’re staying out of my bedroom,” said the 24-year old, whose remarks were greeted with applause from a crowd of 150 in Manchester.

Bockenstedt then added: “I know you have your feelings about that and that’s OK. I’m not going to trust any politician that would be a single-issue politician this season. That is not what our country needs.”

Another Democrat— this one hailing from Dodgeville, Wis. — made a similar announcement at an earlier campaign event.

During a town hall meeting in Dubuque, Michelle Godez-Schilling confessed to Paul: “I am actually a Democrat, and I am in love with you.”

Bockenstedt, who is working on a master’s degree in marketing, said he supports Paul because of the government transparency the congressman promotes.

Now you know of two.

118 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:18:20pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Well, if you brought the drone out to the model airplane field, I'd have no problem with it. But I'd by kind of mad if I was walking around the outside of a demonstration and it fell on me. And if I needed medical care i would consider myself justified in sueing the drone's operator.

And I'd see you justified as suing that person also in that case.

119 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:18:53pm

Interesting.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:19:15pm

One of my Facebook friends is wrassling with a pack of Paul-Bots. God, these people are not very inventive, are they? It's just "No he didn't. He didn't say that. He didn't write that. It's a smear. No he didn't."

121 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:20:02pm

re: #106 jaunte

H.R. 1495: Gold Reserve Transparency Act of 2011
To provide for an audit of all gold owned by the United States.
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

Jobs program for the Ft. Knox area.

Someone has to pick up the slack there since the Armor School moved to Ft. Benning....

//

122 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:21:23pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Except he didn't actually answer it, he never demonstrated how Sarah was either effective or likable. Also comparing unsupported rumors regarding her son to the documented contents of Ron Paul's own newsletter is in no way equivalent.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Maybe you could Google videos of one (or several) of her speeches. Observe the audience, then feel free to ask your question again. I'm not asking you to split atoms - or something. This should be relatively easy to follow."

123 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:21:48pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

You could send him this one:

States' rights
We the People Act. H.R. 300, 2007-01-05, originally H.R. 3893, 2004-03-04. Forbids all federal courts from hearing cases on abortion, same-sex unions, sexual practices, and government display of religious symbols, texts, and images. Makes federal court decisions on those subjects nonbinding as precedent in state courts, and forbids federal courts from spending money to enforce their judgments.
[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:21:56pm

re: #6 Naso Tang

Why did not all this come out when he last ran for president?

When last he ran, and the times before that, he was not considered a "credible threat".

125 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:22:53pm

re: #122 rwmofo

I'm sensing extreme butt-hurt.

126 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:24:04pm

re: #125 Charles

I'm sensing extreme butt-hurt.

Not from me. It's the season to be jolly.

127 funky chicken  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:24:16pm

Abolish the FDA to save yourself from the coming race war! And buy survival seeds and gold! FRREEEEDDOM.

128 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:24:34pm

re: #115 rwmofo

I never said anything flattering about Ron Paul. My comments pertaining to him have been 100% negative. Yet you persist with your distortions. I have bigger fish to fry.

I'm not distorting what you say, we're having a discussion. I at least I was attempting to.

So you didn't say any flattering things about Paul, but in the same paragraph you said:

My guess is because they've seen the more effective and likable conservatives as bigger targets that they fear will pick up the centrist vote....

I bolded more effective and likeable conservatives and then asked you to elaborate. And I got links to LGF posts about media scrutiny of Palin. Which I still don't understand.

So I'm attempting to have a conversation. If you don't want to, that's fine, just ignore my posts and I'll let it go too. But drop the fucking pedantic rips about bong hits. It's probably projection anyway.

129 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:24:42pm

re: #119 Charles

Interesting.

I'm picturing you with a Spocklike raised eyebrow right now.

130 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:24:49pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

I’d like to express my sincere and utmost regret that I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, instead of Barack Obama.

If I could go back in time and reverse that vote, knowing what I know today, I would.

I’m sorry, Nation.

That's right, this is what I wrote. But some butt-hurt right wingers seem to want to ignore it.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:25:03pm

re: #123 jaunte

You could send her this one:

Thanks, but he's entirely capable of shredding them, and I've said my piece, which is 'racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic fruitcake'.

132 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:26:05pm

I apologize again for ever giving people like 'rwmofo' the impression that I was on their side.

133 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:26:05pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

I love the pencil feature.

134 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:27:53pm

Hey..... Paul is 'their guy' not ours. Let's just get that out front.

Except for the (R) next to his name.

135 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:30:45pm

Because if they're going to try to come onto my site and try to use my own words against me, I'm going to say in no uncertain terms: I regret supporting people like Sarah Palin to the bottom of my soul, and I will never make that mistake again.

136 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:31:52pm

re: #132 Charles

I apologize again for ever giving people like 'rwmofo' the impression that I was on their side.

Sum it all up and you'll find that you and I agree on a lot more things than you may assume. That's why I drop in from time to time.

137 funky chicken  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:32:01pm

re: #113 moderatelyradicalliberal

You think Democrats will be voting for Ron Paul in the Iowa caucus? Sorry dude he's yours. Just like the Tea Partiers, all of whom ran as Republicans. I don't know a single Democrat, even the emoprogs, who will vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances. If he does well, it will be because of the nuts in the GOP. The racism is probably an added bonus.

A fair number of democrats support the guy, and it mystifies me. He's 100% anti-choice, and a total kook when it comes to things like federal disaster aid, and his bizarre statements about the Federal Reserve and racism should be enough to turn anybody off, IMHO, but especially democrats. They do seem to approve of his desire to kill the FDA in the name of "consumer freedom" to buy dangerous products like raw milk and useless/dangerous supplements.

Like I said, mystifying.

138 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:32:09pm

I hope that's clear enough.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:32:24pm

re: #134 BigPapa

He's failed too many times with the (L). The (R) was taken as a matter of convenience, as that's likely the only way he could get elected in his Texas district.

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:32:39pm

re: #135 Charles

Because if they're going to try to come onto my site and use my own words against me, I'm going to say in no uncertain terms: I regret supporting people like Sarah Palin to the bottom of my soul, and I will never make that mistake again.

He didn't use your words against you, Charles (not as far as I could see, anyway). He used them against the HuffPo and Alan Colmes.

141 Olsonist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:32:43pm

I remember the victim card getting played on Palin about a day after she was the VP candidate. I'd never even heard of her and apparently I was rabidly against her. It turns out they were actually right, but I wasn't in the meeting.

142 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:33:05pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

He didn't use your words against you, Charles (not as far as I could see, anyway). He used them against the HuffPo and Alan Colmes.

Right.

143 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:34:35pm

re: #122 rwmofo

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Maybe you could Google videos of one (or several) of her speeches. Observe the audience, then feel free to ask your question again. I'm not asking you to split atoms - or something. This should be relatively easy to follow."

I've seen Triumph of the Will already. An adulating audience of brainwashed right-wingers demonstrates nothing except how easy it is to lead cow eyed conservatives.

144 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:35:07pm

re: #136 rwmofo

Sum it all up and you'll find that you and I agree on a lot more things than you may assume.

I seriously doubt that.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:35:29pm

re: #141 Olsonist

I remember the victim card getting played on Palin about a day after she was the VP candidate. I'd never even heard of her and apparently I was rabidly against her. It turns out they were actually right, but I wasn't in the meeting.

No dude, you're afraid of her. That's where all of us who see through her crap are supposed to be, according to the meme. Scared.

146 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:36:36pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

He didn't use your words against you, Charles (not as far as I could see, anyway). He used them against the HuffPo and Alan Colmes.

Which is weird because we were talking about Ron Paul and this new scrutiny of him. So what does that have to do with Palin and Charles' view of Colmes attack on her in 2008?

Weird.

147 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:37:22pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

He didn't use your words against you, Charles (not as far as I could see, anyway). He used them against the HuffPo and Alan Colmes.

You need to learn how to recognize subtlety, my friend. And that wasn't all that subtle.

148 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:41:41pm

Squirrel!

149 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:42:10pm

re: #135 Charles

Because if they're going to try to come onto my site and try to use my own words against me, I'm going to say in no uncertain terms: I regret supporting people like Sarah Palin to the bottom of my soul, and I will never make that mistake again.

I was using references to illustrate how the media goes after conservative candidates. My view is that Sarah Palin (who I've always liked) was treated differently from the way Ron Paul has been handled--before today--solely on the basis that she's likeable and effective with millions of Americans (and he isn't). It wasn't against you. I was engaging with BPP.

150 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:45:01pm

re: #149 rwmofo

It's pretty clear what was going on, and anyone who's seen your recent posts at LGF can judge for themselves.

151 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:45:34pm

re: #148 BigPapa

Squirrel!

[boom]

I guess birdshot works as well on squirrels as it does on micro-drones. X(

/kidding

152 Mocking Jay  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:45:45pm

Holy crap... the opening cinematic for The Old Republic feels more like Star Wars than any of the prequels ever did.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:46:15pm

TheDC’s Jamie Weinstein: Ron Paul and the Nazi Century

Even as Texas Rep. Ron Paul
rises in the polls and positions himself as a serious contender to win the Iowa caucuses, it is important to remember this: He has absolutely no chance to win the Republican nomination for president.

This is largely, though not entirely, due to his foreign policy views. Without question, Paul is attracting many Republicans who are tired of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. After ten years of war, the siren song of “come home America” strongly resonates. But what Paul is actually calling for is something far more absolutist than merely ending America’s presence in Afghanistan.

Paul wants to cut the military budget drastically and close America’s bases around the world. He has in the past called for the abolition of the CIA and FBI.

...To put his foreign policy in perspective, it might be worthwhile to imagine what our foreign policy might have looked like had Paul been at the helm during key historical moments. Admittedly the congressman’s foreign policy prescriptions may have helped America avert certain overseas debacles, but overall they would have produced catastrophe.

What would a President Paul have done during the lead-up to World War II? In October, he told me in Las Vegas that he would not provide financial aid to an ally even if it were in “mortal danger.”

...If Paul had been president in 1941, such a policy would have precluded America from aiding Britain and the Soviet Union under Lend-Lease. Both countries would likely have fallen to Nazi Germany, or been forced into some type of accommodation with Hitler. And with Great Britain and the Soviet Union out of the fight, the Germans would have been free to consolidate control over Europe — and perhaps next the Middle East — with all the utter evilness that would have entailed.

Then again, a Paul presidency would probably have averted the Pearl Harbor attacks since his foreign policy philosophy would have been opposed to an oil embargo on Japan. But without American involvement in World War II, there would also likely have been no Manhattan project, meaning Germany would have have had an open playing field to develop atomic capabilities first — and then global nuclear dominance.

Could American fealty have followed? However you look at it, if Ron Paul were president during the late 1930s and early 1940s, the 20th Century would not be remembered as the American Century. It would have been the Nazi Century.

154 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:46:24pm

re: #86 rwmofo

Huh?

In comment #34 I said about Ron Paul:

"we've known all along that Paul is a kook..."

and:

"No reasonable individual ever really took Paul seriously."

...and you concluded that I said he's a good candidate?

Dude, put the bong down. Seriously.

Wow, seriously. I asked if you thought Palin was a good candidate. All this time I though I was being fucking stupid when you were the one that made the error.

At least I asked for clarification before continuing on unabated.

155 Alexzander  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:47:50pm

Netflix knows me well.

It is recommending films in the category of "Dark Foreign Fight-the-System Movies." Lulz.

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:48:20pm

re: #149 rwmofo

Likeable? In the Hollywood sense, maybe.

Effective? My first taxable job was at a fast food franchise. After three weeks of busting my ass and smelling like low-grade garbage food, I got my first check. When I saw how puny the amount was, I made myself "effective". That is to say, I quit.

157 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:49:40pm

re: #144 Charles

I seriously doubt that.

1) I'm pro-choice.

2) I feel there should be no discrimination against homosexuals for any reason (marriage, military, anything).

3) I feel that public schools should stick with science and leave religion totally out of the classroom.

I'm still voting Republican primarily for fiscal reasons, but with the examples above, I part ways with some of those in my party. I feel that anyone who lines up with 100% of either party's platforms needs to get out of the box and think a little on their own.

So we disagree on a few things.

BTW, thanks for letting me throw the ball around in your yard.

158 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:50:22pm

re: #152 JasonA

Holy crap... the opening cinematic for The Old Republic feels more like Star Wars than any of the prequels ever did.

So far, I've seen 2 types of reviews.

The reviews which hate it because its not WoW.

The reviews which love it because its not WoW.

I'm going to wait a few weeks, let it work the bugs out, then see where it lies.

159 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:50:40pm

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

TheDC’s Jamie Weinstein: Ron Paul and the Nazi Century

Brutal but honest, that piece is.

160 Alexzander  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:52:32pm

re: #157 rwmofo

Whooly molly you have a a huge amount of negative karma. Props just for staying with it for so long.

161 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Brutal but honest, that piece is.

That guy nailed it for the reason that scares the bejesus out of me thinking of Ron Paul sitting in the Oval Office.

162 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:53:33pm

re: #149 rwmofo

I was using references to illustrate how the media goes after conservative candidates. My view is that Sarah Palin (who I've always liked) was treated differently from the way Ron Paul has been handled--before today--solely on the basis that she's likeable and effective with millions of Americans (and he isn't). It wasn't against you. I was engaging with BPP.

So you don't think she was treated differently because she was chosen as a VP by the GOP frontrunner, but otherwise an outsider, miles ahead of any hope Paul has?

Though Paul deserves scorn which you rightfully administer, this is an opportunity to review the mistreatment of conservatives by the media. Is this correct?

163 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:53:41pm

re: #157 rwmofo

1) I'm pro-choice.

2) I feel there should be no discrimination against homosexuals for any reason (marriage, military, anything).

3) I feel that public schools should stick with science and leave religion totally out of the classroom.

Yet you like Palin who shares not one of those views with you. Smart.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:53:47pm

re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Positive game reviews are often deceptive, and sometimes paid for.

I get a better sense of a game by reading negative reviews. Particularly I look to see if their gripes are the same kind of gripes I would have, or if they're just the kind of gripes a stupid newbie who knows nothing or hardcore gaming would have.

165 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:54:44pm

re: #157 rwmofo

It's pretty easy to check out your past comments, you know. And when people do, they're going to find that your definitions of "pro-choice," "pro-science," and "pro-gay rights" seem to be rather ... flexible.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:54:44pm

re: #149 rwmofo

I was using references to illustrate how the media goes after conservative candidates. My view is that Sarah Palin (who I've always liked) was treated differently from the way Ron Paul has been handled--before today--solely on the basis that she's likeable and effective with millions of Americans (and he isn't). It wasn't against you. I was engaging with BPP.

Palin was cut a lot of slack, and excuses were made for her profound ignorance by people who should have known better.

167 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:55:15pm

re: #160 Alexzander

Whooly molly you have a a huge amount of negative karma. Props just for staying with it for so long.

Thank you very much.

168 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:55:28pm

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

That guy nailed it for the reason that scares the bejesus out of me thinking of Ron Paul sitting in the Oval Office.

Me too. His views on foreign policy are out-and-out insane.

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:56:02pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin was cut a lot of slack, and excuses were made for her profound ignorance by people who should have known better.

Myself included. :sigh:

170 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:56:36pm

re: #152 JasonA

Holy crap... the opening cinematic for The Old Republic feels more like Star Wars than any of the prequels ever did.

Well to Paraphrase Harry S. Plinkett.. the most recent Star Trek Movie feels more like Star Wars than the prequels did...

171 Jerk  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:57:46pm

OK, I'm pretty sure that Charles Manson also believed that a race war was imminent. Ron Paul is just channelling historical crazy here.

172 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:58:01pm

re: #160 Alexzander

Whooly molly you have a a huge amount of negative karma. Props just for staying with it for so long.

Buck has more though he shows up more frequently.

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:58:44pm

re: #171 Jerk

Manson was trying to make it happen. Paul? That remains to be seen, I suppose.

174 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:58:51pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

Positive game reviews are often deceptive, and sometimes paid for.

I get a better sense of a game by reading negative reviews. Particularly I look to see if their gripes are the same kind of gripes I would have, or if they're just the kind of gripes a stupid newbie who knows nothing or hardcore gaming would have.

Most of the time, I try and wait a few weeks and passions have cooled before I check out a new game.

175 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:00:22pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Me too. His views on foreign policy are out-and-out insane.

He goes on about the cold war...

And if Ron Paul had been president at the precipice of the Cold War? It his hard to imagine him standing up to the Soviet Union and their quest for supremacy. Can you imagine a President Paul articulating the Truman Doctrine? He has derided it in the past.

Paul is categorically against foreign aid; so the Marshall Plan, which built Europe up after the war and helped it ward off communism, would have been off the table. He is against covert operations, so there would have been no clandestine efforts to buttress liberal forces against the Communists’ attempts to infiltrate Western Europe after World War II.

A President Paul in the 1980s would never have demanded that Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev “tear down” the Berlin Wall. With the “Evil Empire” speech doomed to abandonment at the first-draft stage, we would have seen no effort to prevent Communists from taking over the whole of Europe, and no support of Polish Solidarity or other dissident groups that helped end Soviet domination of – as Churchill put it — “all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe.”

It isn’t hard to envision Paul, cloistered in the White House at some point during the Cold War, shrugging at the news that the final capital of Western Europe had just fallen to the Soviet Empire.

“Oh well,” he would pithily remark. “Not our concern.”

This sounds like some sort of sci-fi/horror flick.

176 funky chicken  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:00:46pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Me too. His views on foreign policy are out-and-out insane.

Andrew Sullivan seems to love the guy. I know Sullivan is a hard core anti-choice guy, but otherwise, honestly I can't understand it. What could possibly be the appeal? Sullivan thinks the feds shouldn't do anything for Tuscaloosa, Joplin, or New Orleans? He wants quacks to have total freedom to sell "remedies" to people with HIV? What on earth is appealing about Ron Paul?

177 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:01:42pm

Mitt got a big endorsement today...

George H.W. Bush backs Romney for president

178 Altermite  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:02:12pm

re: #160 Alexzander

Whooly molly you have a a huge amount of negative karma. Props just for staying with it for so long.

Spacejesus had more. Once upon a time.

179 funky chicken  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:02:15pm

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

Me too.

180 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:03:08pm

re: #165 Charles

It's pretty easy to check out your past comments, you know. And when people do, they're going to find that your definitions of "pro-choice," "pro-science," and "pro-gay rights" seem to be rather ... flexible.

OK. I realize you can access everything I've said here. So go for it.

Show me where I said I was for outlawing abortion.

Show anything I said which would suggest I don't want homosexuals to have the same rights as anyone else.

Show me any comment when I said I want religion taught in science class.

These are the points I made in comment #157.

181 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:04:28pm

re: #180 rwmofo

Sorry, I don't take orders from you. If anyone's interested they can check your comment history and find out why you have a four-digit negative karma.

182 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:05:41pm

re: #181 Charles

Sorry, I don't take orders from you. If anyone's interested they can check your comment history and find out why you have a four-digit negative karma.

Fair enough.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:05:43pm

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Mitt got a big endorsement today...

George H.W. Bush backs Romney for president

And the gears go on grinding, slowly bringing the Only Possible Fucking GOP Nominee to center stage.

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:06:13pm

re: #174 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most of the time, I try and wait a few weeks and passions have cooled before I check out a new game.

I usually wait 'til it hits the bargain bin, or is seriously reduced in price. By then, if it's worthwhile, all the bugs have been ironed out.

If I can't wait to check out something on the console, I rent first. And 99% of the time I do that, I beat the damn thing and am done with it.

185 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:07:45pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin was cut a lot of slack, and excuses were made for her profound ignorance by people who should have known better.

Yes.
I was taken in.
I regret it, and will for many years to come.

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:08:30pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

Yes.
I was taken in.
I regret it, and will for many years to come.

You guys are all blaming yourselves! I meant, like, pundits and stuff!

188 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:09:11pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

You guys are all blaming yourselves! I meant, like, pundits and stuff!

Yeah, b.b.b.b.but - it's true!
I was taken in -
and I regret it!

189 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:09:31pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

And the gears go on grinding, slowly bringing the Only Possible Fucking GOP Nominee to center stage.

As a dog returns to its own vomit, so the GOP reconsiders Mitt Romney.

190 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:09:55pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

Yes.
I was taken in.
I regret it, and will for many years to come.

I thought John Kerry would run a strong campaign. I was wrong about him.

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:11:03pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

Yes.
I was taken in.
I regret it, and will for many years to come.

It's cool. She lost her shot at Vice-Princess. No need to beat yourself up about it. It's not like you voted for someone who got in and did crazy levels of harm.

192 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:11:34pm

I'm glad we got that all cleared up.

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:14:55pm

re: #157 rwmofo

1) I'm pro-choice.

2) I feel there should be no discrimination against homosexuals for any reason (marriage, military, anything).

3) I feel that public schools should stick with science and leave religion totally out of the classroom.

Whether your history here warrants this or not (most I've seen from you was lefty-baiting, but I haven't been here long enough), kudos for these positions.

194 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:15:37pm

re: #190 prairiefire

I thought John Kerry would run a strong campaign. I was wrong about him.

it's only reasonable to predict that 2012 will in many aspects play out in ways we can't predict

that's my prediction

195 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:16:31pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

As a dog returns to it's own vomit, so the GOP reconsiders Mitt Romney.

My and my buddy were in high school. He was cool, plus he had a truck, extra cool.

We got two hotties to go to the beach with us on a Saturday. I brought my dog, Thor.

They loved Thor: goofy fun, beautiful dog, good natured. Should have been called Dufus, but Thor he was.

Me and #1 Hottie were in back of the pickup on the way to the beach. Thor puked a huge pile of dogfood. That was bad enough, the Hotties were all grossed out.

But it got epic when Thor/Dufus started eating it back up right in front of Hottie #1.

Two things to take from this: barfing dogs never get you a second date. And this episode reminds me of the GOP of the last few years.

196 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:16:56pm

re: #192 BigPapa

I'm glad we got that all cleared up.

Yes, I know I was more than a little hazy on what the connection was between Alan Colmes comments on Sarah Palin several years ago and "the left" supposedly giving Ron Paul a pass (whatever the fuck that means). Now it's clear...as mud.

197 jaunte  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:19:08pm

Via a William Gibson tweet:
Cabin Porn

Safe for all ages.

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:22:46pm

Humanity is quite hopeless.

[Link: hrushi-protiv.livejournal.com...]

199 Jerk  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:23:13pm

Oh, and I know this will probably be old news, but it is still kind of topical and I thought that I'd share it. I know someone who has been in the medical publishing industry for many years, and when I showed them the Ron Paul newsletter article that was posted here a few days ago, they helped me put the OB/GYN snippet into better context. After looking at a few covers for "Contemporary OB/GYN" they told me that it doesn't look like a great publication. It's so unknown that even with all of my archive access to medical journals it doesn't come up at all. The publisher's website is of no help, too; they have no results older than ten years.

It's not a journal that you'd use for any serious research like the newsletter tried to do (it's not peer-reviewed). Still, it's a magazine that you'd find exclusively in a doctor's office, most likely in a waiting room, but certainly not in a public library. It's more promotional than anything.

200 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:25:02pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Palin was cut a lot of slack, and excuses were made for her profound ignorance by people who should have known better.

I was taken in, and I agree that excuses were made for her. I made excuses for her.

At the same time it's also true partisans went attack mode on her. I let myself also get distracted by that and used it to justify my positive feelings for her, even to apologize for her, at least internally.

The reality is that apologists will apologize and partisans will attack, but people who are objective will scrutinize. She was attacked but also properly vetted at the same time. Her legacy is not the attack on her nor the defense of she herself, be Sarah as the candidate, as it should be. In all her You Betcha! glory.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:25:51pm

re: #199 Jerk

Again, a "public library" is a bit of a strawman. Suppose you can't find it in a public library, but maybe you can find it in anti-abortion tracts or wingnut magazines, and then recycle the reference. By itself this reference doesn't settle anything, even though it's interesting.

202 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:26:54pm

re: #195 BigPapa

democrats ran and lost with william jennings bryan three times, stevenson twice. republicans tried dewey in both '44 and '48. in the 19th cen clay was a national candidate twice

but these days you only get one shot

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:30:51pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Da fuk?

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:31:19pm

re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth

*sigh*

205 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:32:58pm

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

*sigh*

Why do we have those lovely young ladies (who appear to be showing off-um--the shirt--by bending over a lot) with Stalin's face on their chest.

They're not really THAT stupid, are they?

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:33:31pm

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

*sigh*

Heh, sorry bro. I don't read/speak/understand the language in your previous link.

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:33:53pm

re: #199 Jerk

To give an example, suppose I write:

Scientist Richard Dickerson also says that it is hard to see how polymerization could have proceeded in the aqueous environment of the primitive ocean, since the presence of water favors depolymerization (Scientific American, September 1978, p. 75.)

Does that mean I actually went somewhere and checked the 1978 issue of SA? No, it means I just cribbed this from a Jehovah's Witnesses' tract.

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:34:21pm

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, sorry bro. I don't read/speak/understand the language in your previous link.

No, it's not about your reaction, it's about what's in the link.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:35:11pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Humanity is quite hopeless.

[Link: hrushi-protiv.livejournal.com...]

Oh dear.

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:35:14pm

re: #208 Sergey Romanov

No, it's not about your reaction, it's about what's in the link.

Help me out Serg. Clearly I see Stalin on a T-shirt, but the text is over my head.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:36:03pm

re: #205 EmmmieG

Why do we have those lovely young ladies (who appear to be showing off-um--the shirt--by bending over a lot) with Stalin's face on their chest.

They're not really THAT stupid, are they?

How old are these girls? When did Putin come to power? Add these together...

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:38:27pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

Help me out Serg. Clearly I see Stalin on a T-shirt, but the text is over my head.

The text on the tees is "I'm for", as in "I'm for Stalin". The text before the photos is:

We are for Stalin!
In recent times it became popular to express one's civic position. Everybody is for someone.
We're being constantly asked who we're for!
So. This is our answer...

214 Firstinla  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:39:30pm

re: #212 Sergey Romanov

The text on the tees is "I'm for", as in "I'm for Stalin". The text before the photos is:

As SFZ would say: "Oh dear."

215 Jerk  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:39:32pm

re: #207 Sergey Romanov

I get you.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:41:08pm

re: #212 Sergey Romanov

For Stalin doing what? Rotting in his grave?

How very sad. Thanks for the clarification.

217 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:41:37pm

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

Why Don’t Libertarians Care About Ron Paul’s Bigoted Newsletters?

because he's libertarian. The title means more than specifics.

Remember Ronnie's Rule:

Though shalt not speak ill of other Republicans

That can be used for any group. Party above all else.

218 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:43:29pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Humanity is quite hopeless.

[Link: hrushi-protiv.livejournal.com...]

Agreed

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:45:29pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Agreed

Aaaaaahhh!

220 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:45:38pm

re: #212 Sergey Romanov

The text on the tees is "I'm for", as in "I'm for Stalin". The text before the photos is:

Some people need to vacation in a gulag more often.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:46:51pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some people need to vacation in a gulag more often.

Oh yes.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:47:11pm

Ghost Of Christmas Past: Ron Paul Favored Federal Slaveowner Bailout Over Civil War

Along with Rep. Ron Paul‘s (R-TX) ascent to the top of the polls in Iowa comes the obligatory media glare. Although not as flashy as the newsletter controversy, here’s a fascinating curio from Dr. Paul’s political closet: in a Christmastime appearance on Meet The Press in 2007, Paul said that Abraham Lincoln should never have started the Civil War, instead ending slavery by having the federal government purchase all of the slaves and set them free. Like many libertarian ideas, it’s appealing unless you think about it for five seconds.

Set aside the question of, if Ron Paul disagreed with starting the Civil War, why he didn’t just tell Lincoln himself. This is serious business.

The late, great Tim Russert asked Paul about remarks he made to The Washington Post. “I was intrigued by your comments about Abe Lincoln. ‘According to Paul, Abe Lincoln should never have gone to war; there were better ways of getting rid of slavery.’”

“Absolutely,” Paul replied. “Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he shouldn’t have gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was that iron fist…”

“We’d still have slavery,” Russert interjected.

“Oh, come on,” Paul replied, dismissively. “Slavery was phased out in every other country of the world. And the way I’m advising that it should have been done is do like the British empire did. You buy the slaves and release them. How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans and where the hatred lingered for 100 years? Every other major country in the world got rid of slavery without a civil war. I mean, that doesn’t sound too radical to me. That sounds like a pretty reasonable approach.”

Ugh. Kooky doesn't even begin to describe him.

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:49:14pm

This Sunday, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!!!

DON'T MISS THE FIGHT OF THE CENT-YOU-REEE!!!

In an epic, barn-burning battle of "The State For The People" Vs. "The People For The State"...

ZOMBIE STALIN SQUARES OFF AGAINST ZOMBIE HITLER FOR TOTAL DOMINATION OF THE OCTAGON!!!

Sixty dollars buys the whole seat, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!!!

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:49:22pm

re: #199 Jerk

I agree BTW that this is most likely written by Paul. Not because it's a specialist publication, but because the style is very much like him, if we compare it to his old "Abortion and Law" book.

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:50:58pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

This Sunday, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!!!

DON'T MISS THE FIGHT OF THE CENT-YOU-REEE!!!

In an epic, barn-burning battle of "The State For The People" Vs. "The People For The State"...

ZOMBIE STALIN SQUARES OFF AGAINST ZOMBIE HITLER FOR TOTAL DOMINATION OF THE OCTAGON!!!

Sixty dollars buys the whole seat, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!!!

[Link: www.comics.aha.ru...]

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:51:10pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Agreed

O_O
Thereisnogod.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:52:33pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

Set aside the question of, if Ron Paul disagreed with starting the Civil War, why he didn’t just tell Lincoln himself.

Heh.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:53:57pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Set aside the question of, if Ron Paul disagreed with starting the Civil War, why he didn’t just tell Lincoln himself.

Heh.

This is serious business.

229 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:54:35pm

Paul said that Abraham Lincoln should never have started the Civil War, instead ending slavery by having the federal government purchase all of the slaves and set them free

any reasonably bright grade school students around to explain to mr paul why that is an utterly impractical suggestion?

230 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:54:44pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

Ron Paul's latest book: An Inconvenient History.
/for him, anyway

231 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:57:00pm

re: #229 engineer dog

Paul said that Abraham Lincoln should never have started the Civil War, instead ending slavery by having the federal government purchase all of the slaves and set them free

any reasonably bright grade school students around to explain to mr paul why that is an utterly impractical suggestion?

Why was it impractical, other than the fact that the South didn't want it, and the North didn't want to pay for it?

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:57:02pm

re: #229 engineer dog

I could suggest that we end the black market trade of illicit drugs by simply buying all the drugs.
/

233 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:57:19pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

This Sunday, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!!!

DON'T MISS THE FIGHT OF THE CENT-YOU-REEE!!!

In an epic, barn-burning battle of "The State For The People" Vs. "The People For The State"...

ZOMBIE STALIN SQUARES OFF AGAINST ZOMBIE HITLER FOR TOTAL DOMINATION OF THE OCTAGON!!!

Sixty dollars buys the whole seat, BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!!!

Will there be nitro-burning funny cars and Truckasaurus?

234 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:58:31pm

re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth

I could suggest that we end the black market trade of illicit drugs by simply buying all the drugs.
/

Then passing it all out for free!

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:58:44pm

re: #233 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will there be nitro-burning funny cars and Truckasaurus?

NO! You capitalist swine!

236 Firstinla  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:58:47pm

re: #231 EmmmieG

Why was it impractical, other than the fact that the South didn't want it, and the North didn't want to pay for it?

Buying all the slaves wouldn't have ended slavery. The confederate states would have just nabbed them again and resold them to the Union.

///

237 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:59:36pm

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

I think we're on to something.

238 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 9:59:40pm

re: #236 Firstinla

Buying all the slaves wouldn't have ended slavery. The confederate states would have just nabbed them again and resold them to the Union.

So you're saying the south would have sold the same slaves eight or nine times?

239 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:01:02pm

Wait--is the issue that Lincoln couldn't have had the North buy the slaves, or that nobody could have done it, anywhere in our history?

By the time that Lincoln was inaugurated, things had advanced pretty much past the point of no return.

241 Firstinla  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:01:11pm

Eight or nine times might be a bit excessive.

242 Jerk  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:02:07pm

I seem to recall that in Gone With the Wind the southerners really really wanted to fight.

re: #239 EmmmieG

Yes, they were literally fighting in Congress, were they not?

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:02:36pm

re: #238 EmmmieG

So you're saying the south would have sold the same slaves eight or nine times?

Nah. The South would just buy new ones from their regular suppliers.

244 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:03:05pm

re: #242 Jerk

Yes, they were literally fighting in Congress, were they not?

We are referring to the cane episode, right?

245 Altermite  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:04:13pm

i would watch cspan if they had fights in congress on a regular occasion.

246 funky chicken  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:04:30pm

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

Why Don’t Libertarians Care About Ron Paul’s Bigoted Newsletters?

Because Libertarians are nuts? That's the only explanation I can devise.

247 Altermite  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:04:57pm

actually, they could sell that on pay-per-view and help increase revenue.

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:05:26pm

re: #245 Altermite

i would watch cspan if they had fights in congress on a regular occasion.

Alas, it seems we must settle for rhetorical slapfights.

249 Jerk  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:05:48pm

re: #244 EmmmieG

Yes, I just remembered this image.

Image: Southern_Chivalry.jpg

from [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

250 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:05:59pm

re: #231 EmmmieG

Why was it impractical, other than the fact that the South didn't want it, and the North didn't want to pay for it?

and several states had seceded by the time lincoln took office, and they were determined to protect the institution of slavery by any means necessary, and they weren't about to offer all the slaves for sale in any case...

really, paul's suggestion here is just moron stuff. i really thought he was more intelligent than that

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:06:18pm

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

Ron Paul's latest book: An Inconvenient History.
/for him, anyway

A Holocaust denial "journal" called Inconvenient History has this in the intro article:

Still, Barnes, Martin and their peers managed to create a set of solid historical research based on the facts. Once lost down the Orwellian ‘memory hole,’ many of these titles have resurfaced with some prominence in books by Ron Paul and Patrick J. Buchanan. Once again, the names of John T. Flynn, Garet Garrett, Charles Callan Tansill, William Henry Chamberlin, Captain Russell Grenfell, Walter Millis, Francis Neilson, F.J.P. Veale, and Luigi Villari can be found influencing contemporary thought and being sought out by a new generation who cannot be properly classified as "right" or "left" by contemporary standards.

While Barnes and Martin were considered "serious" historians (although it later turned out that Barnes had been a Holocaust denier in closet), it is notable which political authors are hailed by the deniers.

252 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:07:03pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah. The South would just buy new ones from their regular suppliers.

Bringing in new slaves was illegal from 1808. There were occasional illegal ships, the last one landing in 1859.

253 Big Joe  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:08:48pm

re: #245 Altermite

i would watch cspan if they had fights in congress on a regular occasion.

South Korean CSPAN would be worth paying for if it had subtitles.

254 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:10:10pm

re: #252 EmmmieG

Kind of dovetails with my comment about the black market drug trade, no?

255 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:11:54pm

re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth

Kind of dovetails with my comment about the black market drug trade, no?

Right this second there are slaves in America. There are children smuggled in illegally, and forced to work long hours at tedious work (illegally). There are women forced into the sex trade. There are workers in sweat shops who can't go to the police because they are here illegally.

We should probably do something about that, no?

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:12:55pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah. The South would just buy new ones from their regular suppliers.

That was being shut down at that point, though, although IIRC, some illegal import was going on.

257 Firstinla  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:13:32pm

re: #253 mracb

South Korean CSPAN would be worth paying for if it had subtitles.

We had our own moment the other day when the GOP walked out of the House of Representatives and turned off the cameras. Not as exciting as someone being caned on House floor but interesting (IMHO).

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:14:57pm

re: #252 EmmmieG

Bringing in new slaves was illegal from 1808. There were occasional illegal ships, the last one landing in 1859.

Thank you..actually dates. I remembered that sort of generally.

259 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:16:08pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you..actually dates. I remembered that sort of generally.

The slave trade was actually shut down because the British Navy said it was.

260 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:17:06pm

Total - 1860 CENSUS

Free Colored Persons 476,748

Total Free Population 27,233,198

Total Number of Slaves 3,950,528

Slaves as % of Population 13%

Total Number of Families 5,155,608

Total Number of Slaveholders 393,975

% of Families Owning Slaves 8%

The price of slaves increased steadily from 1802 to 1860. In 1810, the price of a "prime field hand" was $900; by 1860, that price had doubled to $1,800.

So if the Union bought all of the slaves it would have cost $7,110,950,400. Where does Ron Paul think the government would have been able to come up with that amount of cash?

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:19:16pm

re: #239 EmmmieG

Wait--is the issue that Lincoln couldn't have had the North buy the slaves, or that nobody could have done it, anywhere in our history?

By the time that Lincoln was inaugurated, things had advanced pretty much past the point of no return.

Many, many problems occur to me, not the least of which being: why would slave-owning Southerners sell their entire enslaved workforce, thereby shutting down the entire economic operation dependent upon slavery of their own free will?

Where would the federal government have gotten this money from? How would this expenditure have made it through a Congress containing both Congressmen from slaveholding states and Copperheads?

262 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:19:16pm

re: #245 Altermite

i would watch cspan if they had fights in congress on a regular occasion.

they'd have to dress like it was 1855, talk like shakespearian monologues, swear elaborately and at length, and brandish canes and horsewhips

now, why isn't this an hbo series?

263 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:19:52pm

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Total - 1860 CENSUS

The price of slaves increased steadily from 1802 to 1860. In 1810, the price of a "prime field hand" was $900; by 1860, that price had doubled to $1,800.

So if the Union bought all of the slaves it would have cost $7,110,950,400. Where does Ron Paul think the government would have been able to come up with that amount of cash?

Not all the slaves were prime field hands. Still, it's a lot of money.

264 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:20:17pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan
So Paul wanted a government bailout of the private slave industry?

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:20:40pm

re: #259 EmmmieG

The slave trade was actually shut down because the British Navy said it was.

The British Navy does not screw around, either.

266 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:20:41pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

indeed. double upding that

267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:21:20pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

The British Navy does not screw around, either.

Um...not unless they're in port, I imagine.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:21:29pm

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Total - 1860 CENSUS

The price of slaves increased steadily from 1802 to 1860. In 1810, the price of a "prime field hand" was $900; by 1860, that price had doubled to $1,800.

So if the Union bought all of the slaves it would have cost $7,110,950,400. Where does Ron Paul think the government would have been able to come up with that amount of cash?

Are people covered under Eminent Domain?

269 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:22:09pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

Right this second there are slaves in America. There are children smuggled in illegally, and forced to work long hours at tedious work (illegally). There are women forced into the sex trade. There are workers in sweat shops who can't go to the police because they are here illegally.

We should probably do something about that, no?

The government could purchase them and set them free at Ron Paul's house.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:23:07pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

Um...not unless they're in port, I imagine.

Or discreetly, behind stacks of rope.

I just ate an ant by accident.

271 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:23:27pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Or discreetly, behind stacks of rope.

I just ate an ant by accident.

What? How did you do that?

272 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:23:29pm

re: #263 EmmmieG

Not all the slaves were prime field hands. Still, it's a lot of money.

The government would have to pay the same price for all of them I would think.

273 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:23:39pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

We should probably do something about that, no?

Indeed we should. But should we take Ron Paul's plan for ending slavery in Lincoln's time and apply it to this modern horror you speak of?

274 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:24:18pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Or discreetly, behind stacks of rope.

I just ate an ant by accident.

You should dip them in chocolate first.

275 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:24:52pm

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

The government would have to pay the same price for all of them I would think.

I would hope that our congressmen would have been smart enough to figure out how to average.

276 Firstinla  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:25:47pm

re: #275 EmmmieG

I would hope that our congressmen would have been smart enough to figure out how to average.

The congressmen back then, maybe; congressmen today, not so much.

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:25:59pm

re: #273 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed we should. But should we take Ron Paul's plan for ending slavery in Lincoln's time and apply it to this modern horror you speak of?

I'm thinking we'll have to come up with a better plan. The Utah Solution was trying to give a legal standing to illegals so they would no longer live outside the law.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:26:11pm

re: #271 EmmmieG

What? How did you do that?

I thought it was a crumb from my pizza crust. (Operating by touch.) Bit down. My tongue is still a little numb. Those things are acidic.

279 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:26:52pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought it was a crumb from my pizza crust. (Operating by touch.) Bit down. My tongue is still a little numb. Those things are acidic.

I think I would have thrown up by now.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:27:16pm

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

The government would have to pay the same price for all of them I would think.

Why?

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:28:15pm

re: #273 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed we should. But should we take Ron Paul's plan for ending slavery in Lincoln's time and apply it to this modern horror you speak of?

Well, since the people in question are being held in bondage illegally, the idea of giving people money for them, as opposed to simply kicking down their doors and telling them they are under arrest does not appeal to me.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:29:31pm

re: #279 EmmmieG

I think I would have thrown up by now.

Didn't bother me that much, but not an experience I want to repeat.

283 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:29:42pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

Or discreetly, behind stacks of rope.

I just ate an ant by accident.

Eh. Meat is meat. ///

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:30:06pm

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

So if the Union bought all of the slaves it would have cost $7,110,950,400. Where does Ron Paul think the government would have been able to come up with that amount of cash?

The funny thing is that it doesn't even matter. Had Ron "The Fed Buster" Paul been around at that time, he likely would have been adamantly against such federal spending.

285 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:31:29pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Why?

Who would define the fair price on every individual slave out of 4 million?

286 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:33:38pm

re: #279 EmmmieG

I think I would have thrown up by now.

Chocolate makes everything taste better!

Chocolate Covered Insects: 24 CT
Price: $49.99

It's very high in protein!

287 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:34:11pm

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Chocolate makes everything taste better!

It's very high in protein!

No. Nyet. Nein. Nikogda.

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:34:58pm

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

Who would define the fair price on every individual slave out of 4 million?

Didn't they have insurance, or tax forms or something that would have listed value?

And, I still haven't gotten past "How are we gonna get them to agree to sell four million slaves to us?"

This really is disgusting to think about for very long. Bleah. I feel crabby, and as though I want to lead a cavalry charge.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:36:02pm

I think I'm going to bed.

If anyone figures out how to retroactively avoid the Civil War, let me know in the morning.

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:36:07pm

re: #287 EmmmieG

No. Nyet. Nein. Nikogda.

(note for myself: shock makes people speak Russian)

291 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:36:23pm

re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn't they have insurance, or tax forms or something that would have listed value?

And, I still haven't gotten past "How are we gonna get them to agree to sell four million slaves to us?"

This really is disgusting to think about for very long. Bleah. I feel crabby, and as though I want to lead a cavalry charge.

There is a video at the link. I hope the MSM starts showing that interview.

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:36:44pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

I just ate an ant by accident.

Bullshit. Deliberate malice aforethought. And I find it highly commendable.

/I usually just 'squish' them, but the whole eating thing? Bravo! That'll send a message to their bitch queen.

293 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:36:59pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I'm going to bed.

If anyone figures out how to retroactively avoid the Civil War, let me know in the morning.

Put Ron Paul into a time machine?

294 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:37:14pm

re: #290 Sergey Romanov

(note for myself: shock makes people speak Russian)

Only if they studied it at one point. I'm actually surprised that I typed nein instead of non, because I studied French instead of German. However, my son is currently studying German.

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:40:40pm

re: #294 EmmmieG

Also, Herman Cain. /

296 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:43:01pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

If anyone figures out how to retroactively avoid the Civil War, let me know in the morning.

Send a high tech satellite back in time that turns everyone's skin blue.

/wait, never mind. that wouldn't do the trick.

297 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:43:34pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I'm going to bed.

If anyone figures out how to retroactively avoid the Civil War, let me know in the morning.

The Doctor.

298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:44:35pm

re: #297 EmmmieG

There are some things a sonic screwdriver just can't fix.

299 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:45:45pm

re: #298 Slumbering Behemoth

There are some things a sonic screwdriver just can't fix.

But unleashing Rory on the Confederacy might.

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:46:05pm

re: #298 Slumbering Behemoth

There are some things a sonic screwdriver just can't fix.

Yes, but he fixes things by repeatedly explaining to people that they are being really, really stupid.

And sometimes reversing polarity and whatnot.

301 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:47:43pm

I had to put that Ron Paul slavery nonsense on Pages. Tweet that out there!

302 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:48:14pm

nein

" ahs ohs ous sis jas jos gias neys thaws sos yeses and yeses and yeses"

james joyce, finnigans wake

303 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:49:51pm

re: #302 engineer dog

nein

" ahs ohs ous sis jas jos gias neys thaws sos yeses and yeses and yeses"

james joyce, finnigans wake

Does anybody understand that thing of a novel?

304 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:50:40pm

Nearly eleven.

Good night.

305 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:52:07pm

re: #304 EmmmieG

Nearly eleven 2:00.

Good night.

I have to go real soon too.

306 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:52:24pm

Maybe I'll have a few shots first.

307 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:57:49pm

re: #303 Sergey Romanov

Does anybody understand that thing of a novel?

in college we had a reading group. if you put together a working knowledge of say 10 or 12 languages, it is revealed as a wonderful dream full of beautiful poetry and hilarious and outrageous puns

indeed, about half of what is written there are puns, usually in several languages in each

but here's one in english

"crux my qualms with slivers"

"crux my q

308 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:59:02pm

re: #307 engineer dog

Now explain it ;)

309 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:02:27pm

Reposting from earlier, but its better on a late night thread;

The Most Insanely Violent Cartoon Ever (Is About the Bible)

In case you're not familiar with the show, Greatest Heroes and Legends of the Bible was a bold little venture that dared to ask one controversial, but vital question: What if we took the most gruesome and awful parts of the bible, paid North Korean sweatshop workers to hastily animate them and then jammed a precocious, androgynous child and its mentally retarded Scooby Doo camel into the whole mess to sing kindergarten rock songs about murder and rape over a Three Stooges sound effects reel?

That's a confusing question to ask, I know. But the good news is that Greatest Heroes has an answer for you; the bad news is that the "answer" is just furious screaming and a slide whistle. The show is balls deep in madness and never wants to pull out. Within the first 10 seconds of the actual animation, we have cougars, holy lasers, cougars running from holy lasers and a John Woo style dove explosion. Within the first minute, we have sex-offending dragons, time-traveling fruit and gunshields.

Now, let's meet our cast of characters: Here's the first "angel from God" who visits Samson's mother, an Israelite oppressed by the Philistines, to answer her prayers for a child. He chooses to manifest himself on Earth in the holiest form our culture will ever produce: A winged Sebastian Bach.

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:03:50pm

re: #306 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe I'll have a few shots first.

Have one in honor of a late, great, modern American. Cheers!

311 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:07:34pm

re: #308 Sergey Romanov

Now explain it ;)

seriously: the ancient pagan gods and goddesses are asleep, until history completes another cycle and they wake up again, because history is cyclic and everything flows, flows, flows around in cycles like all the rivers and oceans of the world flowing into each other endlessly. we listen as the gods and goddesses talk in their sleep, telling dream confused surreal dream stories, wistful, bawdy, and sad

312 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:10:09pm

re: #311 engineer dog

seriously: the ancient pagan gods and goddesses are asleep, until history completes another cycle and they wake up again, because history is cyclic and everything flows, flows, flows around in cycles like all the rivers and oceans of the world flowing into each other endlessly. we listen as the gods and goddesses talk in their sleep, telling dream confused surreal dream stories, wistful, bawdy, and sad

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:11:14pm

re: #311 engineer dog

Is that about the novel? But what does "crux my qualms with slivers" means, pun-wise?

314 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:11:58pm

Phil Hendrie is kicking the living satirical shit out of Ron Paul on his show, it's wonderful

315 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:13:11pm

re: #313 Sergey Romanov

Is that about the novel? But what does "crux my qualms with slivers" means, pun-wise?

It's a play on the stock phrase "cross my palm(s) with silver," if I'm getting the notion at all.

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:13:51pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The funny things is, I've actually seen that on network television, on one of the off the beat channels.

Hilariously hideous, and Samson is such a dick. Equally funny, to get around MPAA rules about sex, violence, and other offensive issues, movie studios turned to Bible stories to make their films. All the lust, murder and rape that the MPAA of the time would not stand for, but with all the gravitas of the Greatest Story Ever Told. Hilarious times.

You should page that, without the "(Is About The Bible)" part.

317 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:19:46pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And every single time, no matter how nasty, gruesome, hateful or criminal such stories are, when presented on network television, they always get rated [G], for no other reason than being biblical in content.

That should change.

318 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:20:19pm

re: #313 Sergey Romanov

Is that about the novel? But what does "crux my qualms with slivers" means, pun-wise?

an old way of saying someone was bribed is to say that somebody "crossed their palm with silver". this expression is still current.

in joyce's pun, cross is translated back into the latin, bringing in the meanings both of jesus' literal cross and the metaphorical 'crux of the matter'. palm becomes qualm, like the moral qualms you have about being bribed. and silver becomes the slivers of wood from the cross that, perhaps, are sticking into your palm and hurting you

319 Kragar  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:22:09pm

re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth

And every single time, no matter how nasty, gruesome, hateful or criminal such stories are, when presented on network television, they always get rated [G], for no other reason than being biblical in content.

That should change.

"So the hero kills 30 innocent people, sets wild animals on fire, then goes out whoring?"

"Well, God told him too."

"Good enough."

320 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:22:18pm

re: #318 engineer dog

Brilliant. And each phrase can be dissected like that, I gather?

321 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:22:33pm

re: #314 WindUpBird

Phil Hendrie is kicking the living satirical shit out of Ron Paul on his show, it's wonderful

Mark Levin nailed him last week.

The Paulbots are leaving some nasty comments on Youtube.

The two top comments:

Geeeh?! I wonder why hardcore Zionist Jew Mark Levin hates Ron Paul?

deflatedego 4 days ago 25

Fucking Jew! This mother fucker does not give a shit about America. This mother fucker will sell America in a heart bit if Israel will benefit. Fucking dirty Zionist Jew! Fuck you and fuck Israel!

ManRealThe 4 days ago 4

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:26:42pm

re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is why I roll eyes when Bhagavad Gita is banned as "extremist" in Russia.

323 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:27:28pm

re: #320 Sergey Romanov

Brilliant. And each phrase can be dissected like that, I gather?

just about. every once in a while a phrase jumps out in plain english

"she was just a small shy pale sly slim slip of a thing, then..."

324 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:42:32pm

Ron Paul: WINNING! (Featuring Charlie Sheen)

325 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:55:12pm

After drifting to a few sites--Gawker, TPM, ThinkProgress--I'm seeing a trend in within the comments by non-Paulbot wingnuts to the Ron Paul fiasco. The beat goes:

1. He was always a fringe Republican, and other Republicans have know that for awhile and isolated him. So he's no true Republican.
2. Liberals who liked his anti-war stance or pro-marijuana ideas had no idea, and are unfairly being left out of recriminations on who has helped Paul stay relevant.
3. Really, more blame should be directed at liberals.

I don't go to fever swamp sites, but I'd be curious if anyone notices a similar patter(n) of rhetoric.

The Paulbots are cutting and pasting great chunks of defense (and doling out condescension) all across the internets.

326 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:56:21pm

re: #193 Sergey Romanov

Whether your history here warrants this or not (most I've seen from you was lefty-baiting, but I haven't been here long enough), kudos for these positions.

I think he does hold those positions. I think a lot of Conservative cultists, when you get down to it, actually have reasonable positions on a number of topics, including climate change and other sacred cows, when asked about them in isolation.

However, modern American Conservatism is a hate-based cult. And as such, it's not really about issues, positions, or anything of that nature. It's about hating the other guys, the liberals, the lefties, the Dems, those guys. It's about finding the angle in any issue, any story, any event, to show how hateful and evil those guys, the enemy, are. And that's what we see on FOX, on the net, on the blogs, on comments here - everything else is all well and good, but what really matters is hating lefties and Democrats. That's why cultists still rationalise voting GOP, even though GOP policies are open about causing harm to Americans and the country, and even though the GOP hasn't been fiscally conservative for decades - because it's not really about anything except hating the enemy.

327 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 11:59:54pm

re: #322 Sergey Romanov

Maybe not in our lifetimes, but there will come a day when humanity throws off the shackles of superstition.

I wish I could live to see that day come.

328 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 12:59:55am

...

329 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:00:31am
330 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:07:10am

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

Why Don’t Libertarians Care About Ron Paul’s Bigoted Newsletters?

Better question might be, why are con R's suddenly tripping and falling all over themselves to distance themselves from him?

Do they really think they're believable?

331 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:07:10am

Way to break the forum Sergey.
:P

332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:07:38am

re: #326 Renaissance_Man

modern American Conservatism is a hate-based cult.

Nicely put.

333 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:07:52am

re: #331 Varek Raith

Way to break the forum Sergey.
:P

Why not.

334 Kragar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:09:12am

In other news, I'm learning to love the Illusion magic in Skyrim

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:13:13am

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Note sure I ever used it. What's the best one?

336 boxhead  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:13:21am

re: #332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nicely put.

True, but how much longer can USA wait for the GOP to find integrity? I would be willing to bet that much of today's GOP would be OK with denying Dems from voting because the GOP believes Dems are truly bad for USA.

337 Kragar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:14:58am

re: #335 Sergey Romanov

Note sure I ever used it. What's the best one?

Fury while sneaking. You hit one guy with it, he'll begin tearing into his team mates while you watch.

Calm is pretty good as well. Hit any guys who are attacking with that, then you can just walk behind them and sneak attack.

338 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:15:46am

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fury while sneaking. You hit one guy with it, he'll begin tearing into his team mates while you watch.

Calm is pretty good as well. Hit any guys who are attacking with that, then you can just walk behind them and sneak attack.

Have you tried giant/mammoth hunting?

339 Kragar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:16:45am

re: #338 Varek Raith

Have you tried giant/mammoth hunting?

Not with Fury yet. I've taken out a few double casting firebolts.

340 researchok  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:19:34am

Morning, all

341 boxhead  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:20:07am

re: #340 researchok

Morning, all

same to you!

342 researchok  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:20:53am

re: #341 boxhead

Ready for the holiday?

343 boxhead  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:21:58am

re: #342 researchok

Ready for the holiday?

not really.... unexpected events skewed everything... :(

you?

344 researchok  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:22:39am

re: #343 boxhead

not really... unexpected events skewed everything... :(

That's no good...who can I beat into submission for you?

345 boxhead  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:24:16am

re: #344 researchok

That's no good...who can I beat into submission for you?

lol... life..... Unexpected death in family... just got back today from trip to Gilroy, CA. Father in law.... my late wife's father...

346 researchok  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:27:51am

re: #345 boxhead

lol... life... Unexpected death in family... just got back today from trip to Gilroy, CA. Father in law... my late wife's father...

Ahhh..Condolences to you all.

I suspect this holiday will be more subdued.

When those kind of events happens, we all become more reflective. May you and your family find comfort with each other this season..

347 boxhead  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:31:49am

re: #346 researchok

Ahhh..Condolences to you all.

I suspect this holiday will be more subdued.

When those kind of events happens, we all become more reflective. May you and your family find comfort with each other this season..

Thanks... But as often with these events, the family became closer. A lot of good came from all of us getting together. Now we need to make sure to continue what was gained. I think we will... Lots of good people. :)

348 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 1:54:02am

re: #338 Varek Raith

Have you tried giant/mammoth hunting?

Do you have something specific in mind?

349 AK-47%  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 2:26:48am

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

Why Don’t Libertarians Care About Ron Paul’s Bigoted Newsletters?

"Ron Paul: The candidate for voters with tunnel vision"

Taken in isolation, some of his points have a certain appeal: less government, lower taxes, legalizing recreational activities. Just don't open your eyes too wide...

350 AK-47%  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 2:32:34am

re: #239 EmmmieG

Wait--is the issue that Lincoln couldn't have had the North buy the slaves, or that nobody could have done it, anywhere in our history?

By the time that Lincoln was inaugurated, things had advanced pretty much past the point of no return.

Russia freed its serfs in 1861 by having the government buy them out but then make the serfs pay it back - by hiring themselves out as slave labor for 45 years.

This was one of the things that created an industrial proletariat in Russia unlike any other in Europe: there were factories will barracks rooms full of ex-serf workers living in the cities, isolated from any sort of community or social contact.

Meanwhile, the nobility took the money and enjoyed the absolute apex of society and refinement: trips to Paris, Baden-Baden, gambling and spending sprees. The extremes grew so crass that only a revolution could begin to address the problems.

351 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:46:35am

re: #157 rwmofo

Yeah, you feel that public schools should stick with science-- but you're a global warming denier, so what the fuck do you know about science?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

352 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:50:42am

re: #349 ralphieboy

"Ron Paul: The candidate for voters with tunnel vision"

Taken in isolation, some of his points have a certain appeal: less government, lower taxes, legalizing recreational activities. Just don't open your eyes too wide...

Given the extent to which he's a confedereate-- that he supports extremely strong states rights-- I don't think it's actually right to say he wants less government. He wants less federal government, certainly, but he's often said things that imply he thinks the states have very few limitations on their ability to restrict rights.

353 AK-47%  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:54:14am

re: #352 Obdicut

Arizona wanted Law and Order and they wanted Lower Taxes. The result was Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

354 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:10:31am

Occupy Albany NY dismantled by force yesterday:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
It was rather entertaining to watch them parade around the streets of Albany, the holy tent held on-high, during the 5 o'clock news.

355 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:12:41am

re: #349 ralphieboy

"Ron Paul: The candidate for voters with tunnel vision"

Taken in isolation, some of his points have a certain appeal: less government, lower taxes, legalizing recreational activities. Just don't open your eyes too wide...

The writer is going to have to do a better job of finding libertarians to use as examples. Andrew Sullivan and Alex Jones? Seriously?

Oh, and Morning Kids.

356 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:31:08am

I'm feeling the xmas spirit....

Possibly The Official Xmas Song of the Ron Paul Newsletter:

357 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:37:20am

The Ramones - Merry Christmas

358 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:43:41am

Why people shoot birds of prey I have no idea:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
If they find the guy they should shoot him with a shotgun see how he likes it.

359 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:45:39am

One of Bernie Goetz's victims killed himself yesterday.[Link: www.nypost.com...]

360 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:48:25am

re: #359 Shropshire_Slasher

I haven't thought about Goetz in years. Is he still living in NY?

361 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:50:21am

re: #359 Shropshire_Slasher

FTA:

Ramseur had gotten out of prison only 17 months ago, after serving 25 years upstate for raping a young woman on a Bronx rooftop.

That asshole didn't learn anything from getting shot did he.

362 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:51:27am

I freaking hate the comment spam that fucking spammers post at my blog that just echoes other comments or excerpts from the article.

Fuck all spammers with a rusty shovel, sideways.

363 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:52:48am

re: #362 Alouette

I wonder who actually gets fooled by that kind of crap. It's so obvious.

364 sagehen  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:55:30am

re: #180 rwmofo

Show me where I said I was for outlawing abortion.

Show anything I said which would suggest I don't want homosexuals to have the same rights as anyone else.

Show me any comment when I said I want religion taught in science class.

When you said you're voting Republican anyway, in spite of the knowing these are their priorities, because you care more about something they pay lip service to and have never shown an inclination to actually do.

365 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:56:55am

re: #363 Obdicut

I wonder who actually gets fooled by that kind of crap. It's so obvious.

The spam comes in two flavors: A "poster" with a name like "CheapCialis" or something like that will post a comment "I just love this blog! Keep up the good work!" or else will cut and paste a block of text from the page and echo it back in the comments.

Usually the spamtrap will block this shit, but sometimes it will get through.

366 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:58:21am

re: #363 Obdicut

I wonder who actually gets fooled by that kind of crap. It's so obvious.

Like, who gets fooled by anti-evolutionism? Or who gets fooled by Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann? Or the Nigerian spam? Etc.

367 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:59:09am

re: #365 Alouette

The spam comes in two flavors: A "poster" with a name like "CheapCialis" or something like that will post a comment "I just love this blog! Keep up the good work!" or else will cut and paste a block of text from the page and echo it back in the comments.

Usually the spamtrap will block this shit, but sometimes it will get through.

Does it sound like a 'bot, or someone freezing in a hovel for a penny per post?

368 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:00:18am

re: #366 Sergey Romanov

Like, who gets fooled by anti-evolutionism? Or who gets fooled by Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann? Or the Nigerian spam? Etc.

Who gets fooled by "51-year-old Mom Looks 25! Dermatologists Hate Her!" apparently HuffPost thinks its readers will go for this since they spam it at least 3 times on every page.

369 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:01:02am

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Does it sound like a 'bot, or someone freezing in a hovel for a penny per post?

My blog requires posters to sign in or enter a CAPTCHA code.

370 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:03:06am

re: #369 Alouette

My blog requires posters to sign in or enter a CAPTCHA code.

Ran into a sign-in the other day that requires the poster to do a simple math problem.

371 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:05:37am

re: #368 Alouette

Who gets fooled by "51-year-old Mom Looks 25! Dermatologists Hate Her!" apparently HuffPost thinks its readers will go for this since they spam it at least 3 times on every page.

My favorite was the one about the Indiana woman who found the secret to white teeth. That was everywhere for awhile.

372 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:06:27am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

There's a google app that does that to stop yourself from drunk texting.

373 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:07:03am

re: #371 RogueOne

My favorite was the one about the Indiana woman who found the secret to white teeth. That was everywhere for awhile.

Take it you're in the IN area. We get a lot with obvious cut-and-paste "local" reference.

374 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:07:45am

re: #372 RogueOne

There's a google app that does that to stop yourself from drunk texting.

There goes the next GOP debate live-blog.

375 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:11:03am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

Take it you're in the IN area. We get a lot with obvious cut-and-paste "local" reference.

How many people in the south are worried about keeping their 3 teeth white?

///////

376 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:11:46am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

For some reason, when I lived in San Francisco, all those targeted ads were sure I lived in Cupertino. So it'd be like "Meet hot Cupertino girls now" and I'd wonder "What's special about Cupterino girls?"

377 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:14:54am

re: #371 RogueOne

My favorite was the one about the Indiana woman who found the secret to white teeth. That was everywhere for awhile.

The dentists really did hate her!

378 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:15:02am

re: #375 RogueOne

Discovery (?) has a new show, Extreme Shrimpers or something. Effing hilarious. Crew of six on a shrimp boat, boat only one full set of teeth betweeen the six of 'em

379 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:37:11am

This is a pretty nutty but amazing story:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I like how the couple has time for a comedy routine in the middle of escaping death in the snow.

380 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:46:56am

re: #379 Obdicut

This is a pretty nutty but amazing story:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I like how the couple has time for a comedy routine in the middle of escaping death in the snow.

Reason # 804 why dogs are better than cats. Plus...FTA:

"God is watching; he's watching all the time," Eve Fertig told FOXNews from her home at the Enchanted Forest Wildlife Sanctuary in Alden, N.Y.

I think she's dyslexic...she had to have meant "dog is watching"

381 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:50:00am

re: #379 Obdicut

I don't remember the name of the show, but a lady tried to raise a wolf pup in her home, didn't work. The wolf puppy grew up to be a big skittish wild wolf in her house, had to let it go. I believe another lady in Russia was able to breed the wild out of foxes, took maybe three generations? She picked the tamest of the bunch and bred only those.

382 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:50:25am

Speaking of dogs, have you guys ever heard of 3 Dog Bakery?

[Link: www.threedog.com...]

All natural ingredients and no meat byproduct fillers. Their store smells like they're making people food. I stopped last night to get some carob covered squirrel cookies, the dogs love squirrel.

383 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:51:53am

re: #382 RogueOne

Speaking of dogs, have you guys ever heard of 3 Dog Bakery?

[Link: www.threedog.com...]

All natural ingredients and no meat byproduct fillers. Their store smells like they're making people food. I stopped last night to get some carob covered squirrel cookies, the dogs love squirrel.

Is that what 3 Dog Night has been up to lately?

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:52:51am

re: #380 RogueOne

I think she's dyslexic...she had to have meant "dog is watching"

Speaking of...

385 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:53:19am

re: #381 Shropshire_Slasher

My brother has a marine buddy that raises wolf hybrids in NC. He's waiting for his boy to take off before he gets one. They're massive and very intimidating looking but he swears they're tame enough for keeping in the house.

386 AK-47%  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:57:06am

Last post before Xmas. Happy Holidays, everyone!

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:59:43am

re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah... I know it's fake.

388 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:01:32am

re: #383 Alouette

Is that what 3 Dog Night has been up to lately?

They have a nice business success story:

"In 1989, three dogs, two guys and one 59¢ biscuit cutter joined forces to create Three Dog Bakery-the world's original bakery for dogs. Thanks to dog lovers everywhere, we've grown from a bare-bones tabletop beginning to one of the nation's leading producers of the best all-natural foods and treats for dogs."

My dogs love a local brand peanut butter treats (My boy found his xmas bag of them in the closet, he has a good sniffer) but they have chicken in them and the female can't have 'em. The ones from 3 dog look like actual hostess vanilla creme cookies. I've actually been tempted to eat one.

Image: Three_Dog_Bakery_Classic_Cremes_Golden_Cookies_With_Peanut_Butter_Filling.png

389 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:04:42am

re: #381 Shropshire_Slasher

I don't remember the name of the show, but a lady tried to raise a wolf pup in her home, didn't work. The wolf puppy grew up to be a big skittish wild wolf in her house, had to let it go. I believe another lady in Russia was able to breed the wild out of foxes, took maybe three generations? She picked the tamest of the bunch and bred only those.

The fox breeding was something I saw on a Nova program called "Dogs Decoded". Pretty amazing thing.

Not all wolf/dog blends work well for people. But when they do, they are amazing.

390 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:05:14am

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah... I know it's fake.

But oh, so funny!
'morning, FBV

391 sagehen  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:08:21am

re: #389 reine.de.tout

The fox breeding was something I saw on a Nova program called "Dogs Decoded". Pretty amazing thing.

Not all wolf/dog blends work well for people. But when they do, they are amazing.

Diefenbaker!!

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:12:57am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

But oh, so funny!
'morning, FBV

Hiya, Toots!

393 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:15:28am

re: #388 RogueOne

3 dog bakery started here in KC. The owners were very nice guys. They had a little shop on the plaza. My doberman LOVED their "BBQ ribs".
When one of their original dogs passed on, the KC Star ran an article.

Morning, lizards.

394 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:16:52am

Good morning lizards!

Happy Festivus :)

395 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:19:40am

re: #393 prairiefire

3 dog bakery started here in KC. The owners were very nice guys. They had a little shop on the plaza. My doberman LOVED their "BBQ ribs".
When one of their original dogs passed on, the KC Star ran an article.

Morning, lizards.

I have dobes too, I knew I liked you for some reason! I'll have to try the bbq ribs.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:56am

Time for the annual desperation Christmas shopping.

I have no idea what to get the wife, as usual.

It's between jade jewelry (her eyes are green and Jade would look lovely on her) and a room air purifier (her allergies are causing her hell).

My rational side is saying air purifier, the side of me that wants to have sex again before I die is saying jewelry.

397 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:24:07am

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Time for the annual desperation Christmas shopping.

I have no idea what to get the wife, as usual.

It's between jade jewelry (her eyes are green and Jade would look lovely on her) and a room air purifier (her allergies are causing her hell).

My rational side is saying air purifier, the side of me that wants to have sex again before I die is saying jewelry.

Get both!

398 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:25:11am

re: #394 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Happy Festivus :)

[Video]

Morning?!?!

It's 2:23 in the afternoon here. My body clock is terribly fucked up.

(Yes, I'm in the UK this week.)

399 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:25:20am

re: #397 Alouette

Get both!

Or just get a girlfriend...////

400 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:26:28am

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's hard to find good jade. Do you have a vintage jewelry shop in your area, or a pawn shop? (Seriously, pawn shops usually have good vintage stuff.)

Buy her a comb for her hair!

401 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:27:43am

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Time for the annual desperation Christmas shopping.

I have no idea what to get the wife, as usual.

It's between jade jewelry (her eyes are green and Jade would look lovely on her) and a room air purifier (her allergies are causing her hell).

My rational side is saying air purifier, the side of me that wants to have sex again before I die is saying jewelry.

How about a jade air purifier?

402 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:28:59am

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

How about a jade air purifier?

Jade still-suit nose plugs?

Sexy!!

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:31:38am

re: #400 prairiefire

Thanks, O.Henry.

404 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:35:17am
also warns that the U.S. government’s redesign of currency to include different colors - a move aimed at thwarting counterfeiters - actually was part of a plot to allow the government to track Americans using the “new money.”

So that's how the government was able to follow me all these years. I knew it! //

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:36:56am

One gift says, "I care about your health and well-being."

One gift says, "Please remove your pants."

Gosh! I'm so torn!

406 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:38:07am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One gift says, "I care about your health and well-being."

One gift says, "Please remove your pants."

Gosh! I'm so torn!

I would take choice B.

407 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:44:45am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

You looking to get some jade from FBV?

408 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:45:04am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One gift says, "I care about your health and well-being."

One gift says, "Please remove your pants."

Gosh! I'm so torn!

The 1st question you have to answer is,, does she even WANT to have sex again with you before you die

409 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:46:21am

Morning all!

I slept all thru the night!

You?

410 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:47:05am

re: #409 ggt

Morning all!

I slept all thru the night!

You?

No,, I did not sleep with you all through the night

411 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:47:17am

re: #409 ggt

Morning all!

I slept all thru the night!

You?

Sure. Had some strange dreams but I already forgot what they were all about.

412 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:47:48am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

Sure. Had some strange dreams but I already forgot what they were all about.

Getting a Jade necklace from Veggie!!!

413 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:48:28am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

re: #412 sattv4u2

Getting a Jade necklace from Veggie!!!

and something about pants removal!

414 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:50:27am

State media: Suicide bombers strike government buildings in Damascus

(CNN) -- Two suicide car bombs shook the seat of Syrian power on Friday, said state-run media, a strike the government blames on terrorists and opposition forces call the work of the Bashar al-Assad regime.

Bombings carrying "the blueprints of al Qaeda" exploded outside the offices of two security branches in the Syrian capital of Damascus, state-run media reported.

The attacks follow the arrival of an Arab League advance team in the country to discuss the parameters of a pending mission to monitor the violence that has beset Syria in the wake of an uprising against President al-Assad that has killed thousands.

415 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:51:12am

re: #409 ggt

Morning all!

I slept all thru the night!

You?

Almost all of it, and at 37,000 feet, too.

416 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:52:26am

re: #415 austin_blue

Almost all of it, and at 37,000 feet, too.

You a pilot?

417 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:52:26am

re: #415 austin_blue

Almost all of it, and at 37,000 feet, too.

VERY important not to roll out of bed from there!!

418 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:53:01am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

You a pilot?

what part of "asleep" didn't you get?

419 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:53:11am

...The wife is easy to buy gifts for !
...as long as is 14 ct yellow and white Gold with diamonds....
...see ...easy!/
...how come this building is 90% EMPTY!!
Have a great Holiday everyone!
and BUY ENOUGH BATTERIES!!

420 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:54:06am

re: #419 reloadingisnotahobby

...The wife is easy to buy gifts for !
...as long as is 14 ct yellow and white Gold with diamonds...
...see ...easy!/
...how come this building is 90% EMPTY!!
Have a great Holiday everyone!
and BUY ENOUGH BATTERIES!!

Most of the office supply stores in our area are offering free batteries with rebate/reward program this time of year. Stock-up.

NEVER PAY FOR BATTERIES!

421 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:55:28am

re: #414 NJDhockeyfan

State media: Suicide bombers strike government buildings in Damascus

I've never understood and still don't how forcing G-d on others is a good thing.

422 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:56:23am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

You a pilot?

Was, in the AF. Last night a passenger, Houston to the Hell That Is Heathrow.

423 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:57:01am

re: #420 ggt

I get the State discount from Gainger.com just pay
shipping...save a ton!!
It also show ya HOW MUCH MARKUP YOU PAY at the local store!

424 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:58:25am

OT...
It's 1 dig here in Central Utah Woo Hoo!

425 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:58:41am

Rove said GOP messed-up on tax-cut debacle.

Video in the comments.

426 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:59:15am

Monday was my birthday and I like bling, so...

I got a little something for myself.

I didn't even have to pay for it since the vendor already owed me a payment for selling stuff at the Zionist Mall, so I just took the commission in bling instead of cash.

427 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:59:30am

re: #424 reloadingisnotahobby

OT...
It's 1 dig here in Central Utah Woo Hoo!

1 dig?
You burying someone?

428 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:00:32am

re: #422 austin_blue

Was, in the AF. Last night a passenger, Houston to the Hell That Is Heathrow.

Heathrow made the list of the world's ugliest airports!

Heathrow Airport, London

Heathrow’s greatest virtue is that it makes New Yorkers feel better about JFK. What does Heathrow actually look like? Hard to say. Terry Riley, an architect and former director of the Miami Art Museum, compares it to “four shopping malls that have been smashed together.” The worst offender is Terminal 3, built in 1961 and distinguished by a bizarre system in which passengers are corralled into a low-ceilinged central seating area and not permitted to pass through security to their gates until departure time. Azmi Merican, a Malaysian design merchant, says of Terminal 3, “This is a terminal for a country that had lost an empire and didn’t know its role in the world, or what style of architecture would reflect this.”

429 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:01:02am

re: #426 Alouette

Monday was my birthday and I like bling, so...

I got a little something for myself.

I didn't even have to pay for it since the vendor already owed me a payment for selling stuff at the Zionist Mall, so I just took the commission in bling instead of cash.

Happy Birthday!!!!

29!?!?!

:)

(for my next, i'll be celebrating the 30th anniversary of my 29th b'day)

430 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:01:02am

re: #427 sattv4u2


...keep your voice down...damn...

431 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:01:35am

re: #426 Alouette

Monday was my birthday and I like bling, so...

I got a little something for myself.

I didn't even have to pay for it since the vendor already owed me a payment for selling stuff at the Zionist Mall, so I just took the commission in bling instead of cash.

I can't get it to load.

432 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:01:41am

re: #429 sattv4u2

Happy Birthday!!!

29!?!?!

:)

(for my next, i'll be celebrating the 30th anniversary of my 29th b'day)

My daughter, my mother and I are all about the same age.

433 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:02:59am

re: #432 Alouette

My daughter, my mother and I are all about the same age.

LOL,, yeah ,, my dad had to stop saying he was 39 when my older sister turned 40!!

434 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:03:07am

This morning's absurdity can be found at #BoycottGoDaddy.

Here's a short list of SOPA backers by way of the Business Software Alliance:

• Adobe
• Apple
• Autodesk
• AVEVA
• AVG
• Bentley Systems
• CA
• Cadence Design Systems
• CNC Software – Mastercam
• Compuware
• Corel
• Dassault Systèmes SolidWorks Corporation
• Dell
• Intel
• Intuit
• Kaspersky
• McAfee
• Microsoft
• Minitab
• Progress Software
• PTC
• Quark
• Quest
• Rosetta Stone
• Siemens PLM Software, Inc.
• Sybase
• Symantec
• TechSmith
• The MathWorks

I don't suppose they'll be boycotting their own iPads will they.

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:03:19am

I have tons of cleaning to do today.

I don't want to.

I keep trying to remember how fortunate I am to have a home to clean.

It's not helping.

436 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:03:48am

re: #431 ggt

I can't get it to load.

Try it again.

437 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:04:15am

re: #436 Alouette

Try it again.

I did.

438 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:05:17am

re: #427 sattv4u2
This is the wrong time of year to dig anything!!

439 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:05:37am

re: #437 ggt

I did.

Can you see it now?

440 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:06:34am

re: #439 Alouette

Can you see it now?

Yes, and it's very nice.

I like it!

441 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:06:37am

re: #426 Alouette

Happy belated Birthday!!

442 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:06:54am

re: #439 Alouette

Can you see it now?

Amethyst, citrine and blue topaz? Nice!

443 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:08:38am

re: #435 ggt

I have tons of cleaning to do today.

I don't want to.

I keep trying to remember how fortunate I am to have a home to clean.

It's not helping.

gah,,,,, got home from work Wednesday night ,, wifey informed me that the carpet cleaners would be here at noon on Thursday

They do not
A) vacuum before they clean the carpets
B) do not move furniture out of the way, just clean open areas
C) do not put furniture back after they clean

SO ,,,,,The rest of Wednesday night and Thursday morning was spent moving furniture out of carpeted rooms (save large dressers and beds)
End tables ,,, TV stands,,, sons room computer table,,,

Ahh ,,, days off!!!!

444 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:09:38am

re: #438 reloadingisnotahobby

This is the wrong time of year to dig anything!!

backhoe

445 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:09:44am

My Jewish Parents (former employers -sort of adopted me when I moved to Chicago) decided a long time ago I was really a member of the tribe.

I don't eat meat and therefore have never eaten pork, love falafal and don't believe in the whole Jesus concept.

Since I began playing the coupon game and telling people never to pay for batteries, they feel their suspicions are confirmed.

LOL

446 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:10:10am

re: #439 Alouette

Can you see it now?

that is gorgeous!

447 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:10:22am

re: #434 Gus 802

There is an awful lot of money in that group. I bet that has nothing to do with it when it passes.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:11:05am

re: #443 sattv4u2

gah,,, got home from work Wednesday night ,, wifey informed me that the carpet cleaners would be here at noon on Thursday

They do not
A) vacuum before they clean the carpets
B) do not move furniture out of the way, just clean open areas
C) do not put furniture back after they clean

SO ,,,The rest of Wednesday night and Thursday morning was spent moving furniture out of carpeted rooms (save large dressers and beds)
End tables ,,, TV stands,,, sons room computer table,,,

Ahh ,,, days off!!!

I have my own carpet cleaner. It is set-up and ready to go at all times, like the vacuum cleaner.

3 Dogs, 1 Cat, 1 Teenage boy and a Husband.

449 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:12:28am

HOHOHOHOHOHO...
(practicing my HO HO ...)
I'm Santa today at 3:30...Need to go find some Sleigh bells ....
...and the Dog will NOT wear the antler we bought...Nope...not havin
any of that!!
..what a killjoy!

450 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:13:22am

re: #447 RogueOne

There is an awful lot of money in that group. I bet that has nothing to do with it when it passes.

If it passes. Focusing on GoDaddy is a non starter and fails to take into account the other corporate backers including many in the music and movie industry. Obviously GoDaddy has outstanding "pre-exisiting" political conditions which leads those of Twitter faith to fall in line and promote this hysteria against GoDaddy. Once again proving that Apple is the "Teflon corporation" when it comes to political matters especially from their flock.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:13:56am

Police officer allegedly assaulted at Occupy DC campsite

Police arrested two Occupy DC protesters Thursday at the McPherson Square campsite and charged them with assaulting a police officer, according to the Washington Examiner.

Police arrived to McPherson Square to investigate a report of a man assaulting a woman. When police arrived, they found several people who were allegedly disorderly.

Police shocked one suspect with a Taser while taking him into custody, the Examiner reports. Another suspect is accused of kicking a police officer in the groin.

452 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:14:44am

re: #448 ggt

I have my own carpet cleaner. It is set-up and ready to go at all times, like the vacuum cleaner.

3 Dogs, 1 Cat, 1 Teenage boy and a Husband.

2 dogs, one teenage boy with LOTS of friends who all play soccer and I used to have a cleaner myself

Easier/ cheaper for me now to have it done

453 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:16:29am

re: #452 sattv4u2

2 dogs, one teenage boy with LOTS of friends who all play soccer and I used to have a cleaner myself

Easier/ cheaper for me now to have it done

I get the "spots" when they happen.

Hubby does "whole room" cleaning a couple of times a year.

Brat Puppy has been leaving lots of "spots" Mostly from items he has stolen from the kitchen counter.

454 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:20:17am

re: #453 ggt

It worked out that naming our pup (Boxer) Emmett was a good name!
...It sound just like DAMNIT!!

455 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:20:55am

re: #449 reloadingisnotahobby

HOHOHOHOHOHO...
(practicing my HO HO ...)
I'm Santa today at 3:30...Need to go find some Sleigh bells ...
...and the Dog will NOT wear the antler we bought...Nope...not havin
any of that!!
..what a killjoy!

Did you try staples?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

456 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23:18am

What is the Worst Christmas Song of All Time?

Last night I almost had a seizure when I turned on "X Factor" (I did not realize that it pre-empted my favorite program, "Bones") and Justin Bieber was performing "Santa Is Coming To Town" surrounded by convulsion-inducing projection screens, and a bunch of guys spinning around upside down on their heads.

Horrible.

457 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23:29am

Image: pepper_tebow.jpg

Tim Tebow supports OWS.

458 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:24:03am

re: #455 RogueOne

...I'm in B.F.E. Utah ...Staples is on line or 2 hours away!
...The Feed store is the most likely place!
...Pitiful ain't it! LOL

459 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:24:33am

Hezbollah says Damascus blasts “specialty of US”

Hezbollah commented on the twin suicide bombings that targeted security service buildings in Damascus on Friday, saying that such acts are “the specialty of the United States.”

“These blasts that resulted in the death and injury of dozens of people… are the specialty of the US, the mother of terrorism,” Hezbollah said in a statement.

I didn't know we were in the suicide biz.

460 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:25:02am

re: #456 Alouette

...Justin who??

461 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:25:29am

re: #458 reloadingisnotahobby

I meant stapling the antlers to the dog! Haven't you ever seen Scrooged? Best xmas movie ever.

462 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:25:40am

re: #459 NJDhockeyfan

Hezbollah says Damascus blasts “specialty of US”

I didn't know we were in the suicide biz.

I think Hezbollah said "US" referring to themselves not YOO ESS.
//

463 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:25:40am

re: #460 reloadingisnotahobby

...Justin who??

Beaver

Image: justinbeaver6jpg.jpg

464 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:26:13am

re: #460 reloadingisnotahobby

...Justin who??

Dumb little Canadian.

465 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:27:17am

re: #461 RogueOne

I meant stapling the antlers to the dog! Haven't you ever seen Scrooged? Best xmas movie ever.

A Christmas Story!!!

466 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:28:12am

re: #464 Alouette

Dumb little Canadian.

You'll have to be more specific!!!

(I JOKE ,, I JOKE ,, I LOVE OUR NORTHERN NEIGHBORS!!)

467 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:28:23am

re: #464 Alouette

Dumb little Canadian.

EXCUSE ME!!!
I'm in UTAH!!!

468 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:28:27am

Going to clean the house. I hope everyone has their poop log ready!

469 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:28:33am

re: #456 Alouette

What is the Worst Christmas Song of All Time?

Last night I almost had a seizure when I turned on "X Factor" (I did not realize that it pre-empted my favorite program, "Bones") and Justin Bieber was performing "Santa Is Coming To Town" surrounded by convulsion-inducing projection screens, and a bunch of guys spinning around upside down on their heads.

Horrible.

Justin drives me nuts, but I have to give the kid a lot of credit.

He's earning is own way.

470 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:29:34am

re: #468 NJDhockeyfan

Going to clean the house. I hope everyone has their poop log ready!

log? I have a whole tree.

471 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:29:35am

re: #461 RogueOne

I meant stapling the antlers to the dog! Haven't you ever seen Scrooged? Best xmas movie ever.

...ah...I knew that...! (rolls eyes)

472 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:29:40am

US Offers $10 Million Bounty for Al Qaeda Financier in Iran

Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil, better known as Yasin al-Suri, is a young Kurdish Syrian whose network, U.S. officials say, has funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars and operatives, primarily from the Persian Gulf region, through Iran and ultimately to al Qaeda networks in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.

473 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:30:01am

ceilingre: #470 ggt

log? I have a whole tree.

Poop tree?

474 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:30:07am

re: #469 ggt

Justin drives me nuts, but I have to give the kid a lot of credit.

He's earning is own way.

If he was up on stage all by himself, maybe.

They could have done without the seizure-inducing projection screens and the guys spinning upside down on their heads like human dreidels. WTF was that?

475 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:30:47am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Syria's Assad continues his bloody crackdown, and will use today's bombing of security/intel buildings in Damascus as proof of his claims that he's fighting terrorists in the country and not a bloody crackdown against innocent protesters, but that would ignore the fact that it has been the ongoing crackdown that has led to deserters from the military joining with the opposition to fight Assad and it's the increasing pace of desertions that has led to an increasing body count over the past couple of weeks.

Today's bombings take this to a new and more dangerous level.

At the same time, Assad is also leveraging his loyalists in Lebanon to go after opposition groups there - including Hizbullah.

476 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:31:09am

Good news!

Iran [government] launches state-funded Spanish language TV channel

Press TV for the Spanish speaking people of the world.

Evo Morales approves. Hugo Chavez shouldn't be far behind.

477 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:31:10am

re: #474 Alouette

If he was up on stage all by himself, maybe.

They could have done without the seizure-inducing projection screens and the guys spinning upside down on their heads like human dreidels. WTF was that?

people working?

It's the only justification I have.

478 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:31:34am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

ceiling

Poop tree?

Brat Puppy raises his leg on it when he thinks no one is watching.

479 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:32:15am

Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer

480 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:32:31am

re: #478 ggt

Brat Puppy raises his leg on it when he thinks no one is watching.

Everything is a doggy urinal.

481 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:32:54am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Everything is a doggy urinal.

except the toilet--it is a water bowl.

482 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:33:05am

Happy Holidays from the State of Michigan to its employees!

Michigan Bans All Domestic Partnership Benefits

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has signed into law a bill that prohibits all public employers from providing benefits to unmarried partners of employees. The House and Senate legal analysts disagree on whether the new law impacts the state’s universities, but Snyder clarified in a signing letter that it would not. Nevertheless, faculty at the University of Michigan have threatened an exodus from the state if their benefits are threatened in this way.

483 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:33:05am

re: #477 ggt

people working?

It's the only justification I have.

"Human Dreidel" is a hard way to make a living.

Just sayin'

484 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:34:06am

re: #483 Alouette

"Human Dreidel" is a hard way to make a living.

Just sayin'

There are harder ways.

I don't get it either.

Sometimes it is better to be old.

:0

485 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:36:09am

Brat Puppy keeps putting his paws on the kitchen counter and THE DINING ROOM TABLE. He knows he isn't allowed.

Other dogs learned quickly and it wasn't an issue.

He is a recidivist.

I am so glad he isn't a human child.

486 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:37:06am

re: #485 ggt

Brat Puppy keeps putting his paws on the kitchen counter and THE DINING ROOM TABLE. He knows he isn't allowed.

Other dogs learned quickly and it wasn't an issue.

He is a recidivist.

I am so glad he isn't a human child.

"You spoil that dog."

487 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:37:26am

re: #456 Alouette

What is the Worst Christmas Song of All Time?

Last night I almost had a seizure when I turned on "X Factor" (I did not realize that it pre-empted my favorite program, "Bones") and Justin Bieber was performing "Santa Is Coming To Town" surrounded by convulsion-inducing projection screens, and a bunch of guys spinning around upside down on their heads.

Horrible.

Over time, the one that has continuously increased as annoying/unlistenable is "The Little Drummer Boy". As soon as it starts, I come to the realization that if I ever find the little bastard, I'm going to Pa-rum-pum-pum-pound that drum up his ass.

488 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:38:20am

re: #487 austin_blue

Over time, the one that has continuously increased as annoying/unlistenable is "The Little Drummer Boy". As soon as it starts, I come to the realization that if I ever find the little bastard, I'm going to Pa-rum-pum-pum-pound that drum up his ass.

After years of working retail --I feel that way about ALL the Christmas songs.

489 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:39:03am

Police clear out Bay Area's last big Occupy camp

Berkeley -- Berkeley police cleared the Bay Area's last major Occupy encampment peacefully this afternoon, following an overnight skirmish with protesters that resulted in two arrests.

The clearance followed an uptick in violence at the camp that included two sexual assaults and numerous drug and alcohol related incidents, police said.

...Around 12:30 a.m., two people were arrested when they approached the nearby police station with gas masks, crowbars and cannisters, Berkeley police Sgt. Mary Kusmiss said. One was arrested for public drunkenness and posession of drugs, and the other for resisting arrest, she said.

490 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:39:11am

re: #485 ggt

Could be worse...He might always have his elbows on the table
during dinner.....is that still bad manners??/

491 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:39:21am

re: #474 Alouette

If he was up on stage all by himself, maybe.

They could have done without the seizure-inducing projection screens and the guys spinning upside down on their heads like human dreidels. WTF was that?

Lets be honest. tween and teenage girls have the attention span of a box of pre-washed romaine. For the most part you can't pander to their taste without fireworks, people spinning on their heads, and other nonsense. But if it makes you feel better, Justin Bieber did yesterday put on an acoustic show in Toronto in a small venue. My nieces got to see it. This is a kid that got famous on youtube with just him and an acoustic guitar and a handy cam. He has more talent than most of his peers. His music makes me want to puke, but I am not exactly the target audience. As I suspect is the same case for you. I don't expect my kids to listen to Cantaloupe Island, I shouldn't be able to listen to Justin. goose....gander...

492 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:39:30am

re: #476 Gus 802

Good news!

Iran [government] launches state-funded Spanish language TV channel

Press TV for the Spanish speaking people of the world.

Evo Morales approves. Hugo Chavez shouldn't be far behind.

We do a lot of broadcasting of Spanish language TV
Some of it gets pretty, ummm, suggestive! (sexually)

Can't see that playing in Iran!

493 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:39:39am

re: #487 austin_blue

Over time, the one that has continuously increased as annoying/unlistenable is "The Little Drummer Boy". As soon as it starts, I come to the realization that if I ever find the little bastard, I'm going to Pa-rum-pum-pum-pound that drum up his ass.

For me it's "Santa Baby". People had better be glad there's no concealed carry in my state, otherwise I'd have committed several mall massacres by now when that delightful tune strikes up.

Don't mind Little Drummer Boy.

494 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:39:53am

re: #490 reloadingisnotahobby

Could be worse...He might always have his elbows on the table
during dinner...is that still bad manners??/

In my house it is --at the dining room table.

I don't care about manners at the kitchen counter.

495 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:40:22am

re: #485 ggt

Brat Puppy keeps putting his paws on the kitchen counter and THE DINING ROOM TABLE. He knows he isn't allowed.

Other dogs learned quickly and it wasn't an issue.

He is a recidivist.

I am so glad he isn't a human child.

Yeah ,, explaining the paws and the slobber all the time would be difficult!

496 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:40:45am

re: #487 austin_blue

...Aren't we in the spirit!!/ LOL

497 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:41:22am

re: #496 reloadingisnotahobby

...Aren't we in the spirit!!/ LOL

I hate Christmas.

498 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:41:38am

re: #481 ggt
That's because the water is colder, don't ask me how I know this...

499 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:41:58am

re: #497 ggt

I hate Christmas.

He always speaks fondly of you!!

500 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:42:12am

re: #496 reloadingisnotahobby

...Aren't we in the spirit!!/ LOL

Humbug! I'm jet-lagged to hell and gone.

501 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:42:24am

re: #476 Gus 802

Good news!

Iran [government] launches state-funded Spanish language TV channel

Press TV for the Spanish speaking people of the world.

Evo Morales approves. Hugo Chavez shouldn't be far behind.

Looking in Wiki:

HispanTV is a Spanish language television channel operated by IRIB, the Iran's state-owned public broadcasting corporation. It began broadcasting in December 2011.

HispanTV's programming will be distributed in Venezuela, Spain, Argentina, Cuba and other countries worldwide and is intended to reinforce ties between Iran and Latin American states such as Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Colombia,and Mexico as well as to counter what the Iranian government sees as unfair coverage in Western media. The channel is similar to Press TV, an English language news channel and Al-Alam an Arabic satellite TV station also owned by the Iranian state, which claim to provide "accurate and unbiased coverage of the world and the Middle East events as they unfold."

Owned by Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting:

Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcaster, or IRIB, (Persian: سازمان صدا و سيمای جمهوری اسلامی ايران, Sāzmān-e Sedā va Sima-ye Jomhūrī-ye Eslāmī-ye Īrān), formerly called the National Iranian Radio and Television until the Islamic revolution of 1979, is a giant Iranian corporation in control of radio and television which is among the largest media organizations in Asia and Pacific region, and a regular member of Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union.

And:

Ezzatollah Zarghami has been the head of IRIB, the media corporation in charge of controlling Iranian national radio and television broadcasting, since 2004. His predecessor was Ali Larijani.

On July 4, 2009, he told the press that the videos of Neda Agha Soltan's death during the 2009 Iranian election protests were all fake and were produced by BBC and CNN.

And looking further:

Iran's state television to ban makeup for women

By Thomas Erdbrink
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, December 2, 2009; 12:09 PM

TEHRAN -- Iran's state television will ban makeup for women, "abnormal" music and unruly children, an Iranian newspaper reported Wednesday.

The broadcaster's top manager, Ezzatollah Zarghami, told his managers that female presenters wearing makeup are to be taken off air, saying the wearing of makeup was against the law -- even though millions of women in this country use it. He said there "should be no insulting of family elders by children."

"Lowering and refining of music is among our plans," Zarghami also told his managers. His comments were reported in the Ettemaad newspaper...

502 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:42:42am

re: #500 austin_blue

Humbug!

Those are pretty tasty, if you cook them right

503 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:42:44am

UN holds 'minute' of silence for Kim Jong-il

Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser, president of the 193-nation assembly, called for a "minute of silence" before the start of a routine meeting at 3:00 p.m. EST in the half-empty UN General Assembly hall.

"It is my sad duty to pay tribute to the memory of the late Kim Jong-il, Secretary-General of the Workers Party of Korea, Chairman of the National Defense Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army, who passed away on Saturday, Dec. 17," he said.

The minute of silence lasted for 25 seconds before Nasser proceeded with the scheduled meeting. The United States, European Union member states and Japan were among the countries that boycotted the tribute to Kim Jong-il.

North Korea's UN mission made a similar request to the Security Council, but Western diplomats said it was rejected.

[puke]

504 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:43:10am

BBIAB

505 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:43:16am

re: #503 NJDhockeyfan

UN holds 'minute' of silence for Kim Jong-il

[puke]

WHY?

506 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:43:27am

re: #493 iossarian

For me it's "Santa Baby". People had better be glad there's no concealed carry in my state, otherwise I'd have committed several mall massacres by now when that delightful tune strikes up.

Don't mind Little Drummer Boy.

+1 on Santa Baby. The only thing that makes it worse is when you watch someone sing it rather than just hearing it. Then you are forced to watch someone try to be dramatically seductive while dressed as an elf. Makes me glad to be Jewish.

507 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:44:11am

re: #500 austin_blue

Humbug!

Exactly!!
...and just to prove it...I'm going SHOPPING!!
See you all next year!!
Be safe and be thankful!

508 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:44:16am

Brent Bozell, still an asshole.

“How long do you think Sean Hannity’s show would last if four times in one sentence, he made a comment about, say, the President of the United States, and said that he looked like a skinny, ghetto crackhead?” Bozell wondered. “Which, by the way, you might want to say that Barack Obama does.”

509 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:44:33am

Mornin' gang...my long awaited day off is here.

510 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:45:22am

re: #506 Petero1818

+1 on Santa Baby. The only thing that makes it worse is when you watch someone sing it rather than just hearing it. Then you are forced to watch someone try to be dramatically seductive while dressed as an elf. Makes me glad to be Jewish.

Yeah, the coy/pouty/childish/sexy thing is what makes it so abominable. I'm getting angry just thinking about it.

Happy place, happy place!

511 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:45:27am

re: #509 darthstar

nothin left to do but smile smile smile.....and probably shop.

512 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:45:28am

re: #505 ggt

WHY?

...it help gain your composer and keep from laughing??

513 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:46:01am

re: #505 ggt

WHY?

The murderous dictator doesn't deserve a moment of silence. Maybe they should do a moment of silence for the millions of dead North Koreans he's responsible for.

514 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:46:30am

re: #513 NJDhockeyfan

The murderous dictator doesn't deserve a moment of silence. Maybe they should do a moment of silence for the millions of dead North Koreans he's responsible for.

A moment of silence for the NKorean people --yes!

515 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:47:51am

Burn Lil Kim ...Burn!

516 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:48:24am

re: #487 austin_blue

Over time, the one that has continuously increased as annoying/unlistenable is "The Little Drummer Boy". As soon as it starts, I come to the realization that if I ever find the little bastard, I'm going to Pa-rum-pum-pum-pound that drum up his ass.

Every celebrity has to produce his/her own "Christmas" album with covers of overplayed "classics" that have already been "styled" to freaking death by everybody else.

WORST OF THE WORST:

"Jingle Bells" sung "scat" style
"Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree"
"Jingle Bell Rock"
"Sleigh Ride"
"Chestnuts Roasting"
"Getting to Look a Lot Like Christmas"
"Winter Wonderland" (although I would like to see a gay version, that would be cool: "He'll ask us are ya married, we'd say no, man!")

517 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:49:29am

re: #513 NJDhockeyfan

The murderous dictator doesn't deserve a moment of silence. Maybe they should do a moment of silence for the millions of dead North Koreans he's responsible for.

Everyone should have joined in a rousing chorus of "I'm So Ronery"

518 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:53:01am

re: #503 NJDhockeyfan

UN holds 'minute' of silence for Kim Jong-il

[puke]

A 25 second minute of silence. Almost as short as Kim Jong Il himself. What that's called is protocol. You have to recognize the passing of Kim Jong Il if you want his successor to join the international community. We're at a point where we may see a sea change in North Korea (if Kim Jong Il was, in fact, the one factor keeping that country as rogue-ish as it was). If his son is more western-friendly, we could see conflicts with two members of the Bush Axis of Evil become things of the past.

519 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:53:21am

Personally, these I avoid overexposure to holiday tunes by only listening to NPR non-music shows, barely watching any TV, and basically locking myself away in my apartment if I'm not driving somewhere or at work. Granted, this plan can lead to its own issues, but we all need to make tradeoffs.

520 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:54:41am

re: #518 darthstar

NO THERE IS ONLY ENDLESS WAR AND WITHDRAWING NON-EXISTING EMBASSIES FROM COUNTRIES THAT WE HATE

521 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:55:36am

re: #510 iossarian

Yeah, the coy/pouty/childish/sexy thing is what makes it so abominable. I'm getting angry just thinking about it.

Happy place, happy place!

I'm talking about traditional Christmas songs here,not "Santa Baby" and "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer".

522 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:55:38am

re: #519 Simply Sarah

Personally, these I avoid overexposure to holiday tunes by only listening to NPR non-music shows, barely watching any TV, and basically locking myself away in my apartment if I'm not driving somewhere or at work. Granted, this plan can lead to its own issues, but we all need to make tradeoffs.

I have to go grocery shopping, and I just listed the songs that are played over the loudspeaker, over and over and over.

Marshall's has the worst in-store music system, but strangely enough they have an awesome commercial.

523 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:56:53am

re: #522 Alouette

I have to go grocery shopping, and I just listed the songs that are played over the loudspeaker, over and over and over.

Marshall's has the worst in-store music system, but strangely enough they have an awesome commercial.

[Video]

This is why Bob invented the iPod.

524 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:57:43am

North Korea Demands South Korea Attend Kim Jong Il's Funeral

Well this is awkward. North Korean officials have sternly invited demanded South Korea send a delegation to Kim Jong Il's funeral next week, and that not doing so would be "an unbearable insult and mockery of our dignity." According to The Guardian that "unbearable mockery" is something North Koreans will just have to deal with, as it reports the government in Seoul has no plans to send a delegation, though a select group of civilians will be allowed to attend despite South Korea's travel ban to the North. But it plays up the diplomatic dilemma of dealing with North Korea. In Pyongyang, Jong-Il is that swell guy sent from the heavens to fight the Japanese, bowl perfect games and whose death even causes nature to grieve. But to the rest of the world? Not so much. But diplomats don't always get to say what they think. The New York Times points out: "... both Seoul and Washington issued coordinated statements. They were careful to direct their 'sympathy' or 'prayers' to the 'North Korean people,' not to the regime, in contrast to Beijing and Moscow, which sent their official condolences to Pyongyang." As a United States Department spokesman puts it, "With regard to ‘the c word,’ I think we didn’t considerate it appropriate in this case." And there you have it, it only takes North Korea to make "condolence" a dirty word.

525 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:58:00am

re: #511 Petero1818

nothin left to do but smile smile smile...and probably shop.

Shopping is done, Done, DONE (thank you Tiffany & Co.--though I didn't get the revolving line of credit - but they do take debit cards. Maybe if I said I was in favor of child labor they would have given me the Gingrich treatment.)

526 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:58:58am

re: #522 Alouette

I have to go grocery shopping, and I just listed the songs that are played over the loudspeaker, over and over and over.

Marshall's has the worst in-store music system, but strangely enough they have an awesome commercial.

[Video]

I'm honestly not even sure if the grocery store I normally go to plays music. If it does, I've somehow been able to basically filter it out completely.

527 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:02:20am

Is mystery woman in new North Korean leader's entourage his wife? Rumours fly as pretty companion appears alongside Kim Jong Un

Mystery surrounds the identity of a sharp-suited woman who has suddenly appeared amongst the new North Korean leader's entourage.

Rumours are circulating that the woman pictured standing behind Kim Jong Un at Kumsusan Memorial Palace, as guests paid respects to his dead father Kim Jong Il, is in fact his wife.

If true, her presence could indicate a new openness for the pariah state - as it would be in stark contrast to the departed leader's secretive ways.

Kim Jong Il, who died of a heart attack on Saturday, was known to have fathered seven children by four women. But it has never been made clear who, if anyone at all, it was he married.

Excitement over 28-year-old Kim Jong Un's pretty new companion has grown after she was pictured among senior leaders which included the 83-year-old Kim Yong Nam, the chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly.

528 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:03:48am

re: #521 austin_blue

I'm talking about traditional Christmas songs here,not "Santa Baby" and "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer".

Well, my favorite ending to a carol is "Once In Royal David's City":

Not in that poor lowly stable,
With the oxen standing by,
We shall see him, but in heaven,
Set at God's right hand on high.
Where like stars his children crowned,
All in white shall wait around.

"Wait around"? FOR WHAT?

529 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:04:07am

re: #518 darthstar

A 25 second minute of silence. Almost as short as Kim Jong Il himself. What that's called is protocol. You have to recognize the passing of Kim Jong Il if you want his successor to join the international community. We're at a point where we may see a sea change in North Korea (if Kim Jong Il was, in fact, the one factor keeping that country as rogue-ish as it was). If his son is more western-friendly, we could see conflicts with two members of the Bush Axis of Evil become things of the past.

Until that time comes we have to deal with the present in that North Korea remains a totalitarian and belligerent state which poses a threat to South Korea and Japan. The only hope for change is a bit of "faith" that Kim Jong Eun will offer a significant shift in a North Korean state of mind. I find that difficult to grasp given the strong cultist and isolationist nature of the North Korean state.

530 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:04:27am

re: #526 Simply Sarah

I'm honestly not even sure if the grocery store I normally go to plays music. If it does, I've somehow been able to basically filter it out completely.

I try to avoid shopping at Walmart, but if I am in a hurry and need to pick up something on the way home from work, it's the most convenient. But, they have the same songs playing in a loop: "Jingle Bell Rock," "Rockin Around the Christmas Tree," "Winter Wonderland," "Jingle Bells (scat style)," "Chestnuts Roasting," over and over and over and over.

531 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:04:38am

re: #525 darthstar

Shopping is done, Done, DONE (thank you Tiffany & Co.--though I didn't get the revolving line of credit - but they do take debit cards. Maybe if I said I was in favor of child labor they would have given me the Gingrich treatment.)

You need to sleep around more.

/

532 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:05:13am

re: #530 Alouette

I try to avoid shopping at Walmart, but if I am in a hurry and need to pick up something on the way home from work, it's the most convenient. But, they have the same songs playing in a loop: "Jingle Bell Rock," "Rockin Around the Christmas Tree," "Winter Wonderland," "Jingle Bells (scat style)," "Chestnuts Roasting," over and over and over and over.

Clearly, they want you in and out as fast as possible.

533 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:06:48am

re: #493 iossarian

re: #506 Petero1818

The knock offs suck. They all try to be like the original. That rarely, if ever, works

Ertha Kitts original on the other hand, is fantastic

534 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:07:13am

re: #532 Simply Sarah

Clearly, they want you in and out as fast as possible.

No, because they have the grocery items at one end of the store (with stuff like milk, eggs, etc. all the way in the back) and then stuff like toothpaste and shampoo is at the entire other freaking end of the store!

535 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:07:45am

re: #532 Simply Sarah

Clearly, they want you in and out as fast as possible.

536 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:08:31am

And on that note,,, off to errand hell

537 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:10:01am

re: #533 sattv4u2

re: #506 Petero1818

The knock offs suck. They all try to be like the original. That rarely, if ever, works

Ertha Kitts original on the other hand, is fantastic

[Video]

What is with "the friends"?

538 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:10:48am

re: #531 iossarian

You need to sleep around more.

/

I'm not THAT interested in being like Newt.

539 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:12:01am

re: #505 ggt

WHY?

Politics.

Seriously, it costs nothing while building potential goodwill for negotiations with the upcoming regime in an organization (of which North Korea was a member) in which negotiation and politics is the primary business.

540 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:13:16am

Portrait of New Leader Takes Shape

A senior U.S. official said intelligence analysts believe, for instance, that Kim Jung Eun "tortured small animals" when he was a youth. "He has a violent streak and that's worrisome," a senior U.S. official said, summing up the U.S. assessments.

I wonder if this is true. Of course the first response might be "why it's the WSJ and they're owned by News Corp!" There's a question if this young fellow will even take over were his father left off given his immature age.

541 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:14:56am

re: #534 Alouette

No, because they have the grocery items at one end of the store (with stuff like milk, eggs, etc. all the way in the back) and then stuff like toothpaste and shampoo is at the entire other freaking end of the store!

That's just to make sure you get some exercise. Walmart is doing its part to support good public health!
/

542 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:15:05am

re: #533 sattv4u2

re: #506 Petero1818

The knock offs suck. They all try to be like the original. That rarely, if ever, works

Ertha Kitts original on the other hand, is fantastic

[Video]

See, I hold the opposite. I think the Madonna cover of Santa Baby is better than the one by Ms Kitt.

543 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:15:42am

re: #541 Simply Sarah

That's just to make sure you get some exercise. Walmart is doing its part to support good public health!
/

That's why they provide those scooters for fat people.

544 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:15:53am

re: #538 darthstar

I'm not THAT interested in being like Newt.

Haha, what the Gingrich campaign needs is a "Be Like Newt" parody of the Michael Jordan Gatorade commercials.

545 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:16:10am

On the "UN tribute":

Mass boycott leads to awkward silence at UN Kim tribute
December 24, 2011

NEW YORK: The United States, Japan, South Korea and most leading European countries have boycotted a minute's silence at the United Nations General Assembly for North Korea's late leader, Kim Jong-il.

Australia's representative was in the General Assembly during the tribute.

The tribute, demanded by North Korea, was the highest-profile international move yet sought by the government in Pyongyang in its quest for global recognition for the hardline leader, who died last Saturday at the age of 69.

The awkward silence was a ''protocol'' move following a North Korean request, according to the UN General Assembly president, Nassir Abdulaziz al-Nasser.

But many diplomats from countries that took part in the protest called the tribute inappropriate. They said the Security Council turned down North Korea's demand for a gesture to Mr Kim.

North Korea's UN ambassador, Sin Son Ho, and another diplomat from the North Korean mission stood with their heads bowed during the silence. Barely a third of the General Assembly's 193 members were present.

Britain, France, Germany and most members of the 27-nation European Union joined the protest...

546 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:16:22am

re: #543 Alouette

That's why they provide those scooters for fat people.

Exactly!

547 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:17:24am

re: #545 Gus 802

Diplomacy in action.

548 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:17:34am

re: #545 Gus 802

On the "UN tribute":

Mass boycott leads to awkward silence at UN Kim tribute
December 24, 2011

More:

'This is a man who is responsible for probably tens of thousands of deaths,'' said one European diplomat, explaining the boycott.

''It is an embarrassment that we will have to put up with,'' an Asian diplomat said. All diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of relations with Pyongyang.

549 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:19:14am

re: #529 Gus 802

Until that time comes we have to deal with the present in that North Korea remains a totalitarian and belligerent state which poses a threat to South Korea and Japan. The only hope for change is a bit of "faith" that Kim Jong Eun will offer a significant shift in a North Korean state of mind. I find that difficult to grasp given the strong cultist and isolationist nature of the North Korean state.

New generation, new attitudes. Isolationism isn't something so easily taught to one's children. Humans are naturally curious about the outside world. I'm sure Kim Jong Un has discovered the internet, and probably even the Honey Badger. Send him a few LOLCats and in three weeks he'll be asking to visit the White House.

551 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:19:53am

re: #549 darthstar

New generation, new attitudes. Isolationism isn't something so easily taught to one's children. Humans are naturally curious about the outside world. I'm sure Kim Jong Un has discovered the internet, and probably even the Honey Badger. Send him a few LOLCats and in three weeks he'll be asking to visit the White House.

Porn --#1 export--no?

552 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:21:53am

re: #549 darthstar

New generation, new attitudes. Isolationism isn't something so easily taught to one's children. Humans are naturally curious about the outside world. I'm sure Kim Jong Un has discovered the internet, and probably even the Honey Badger. Send him a few LOLCats and in three weeks he'll be asking to visit the White House.

Yep. The LOLCats should do the trick! ;)

553 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:22:04am

re: #540 Gus 802

"tortured small animals"? I guess we know American conservative media is already working to prevent open negotiations with North Korea since they're already painting Un as a Jeffrey Dahmer.

554 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:23:37am

U.N.: North Korea Human Rights Violations Condemned

UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution Monday denouncing widespread human rights violations in North Korea ranging from public executions to severe restrictions on freedom of expression, religion and assembly.

The 193-member world body scheduled the vote before the announcement late Sunday that North Korea leader Kim Jong Il had died.

The nonbinding resolution strongly urges the government in Pyongyang to immediately put an end to the "systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights."

Another nonbinding resolution.

555 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:24:08am

re: #550 lawhawk

New video surfaces showing Paul touting those newsletters.

[Video]

See, what worries me most about Paul isn't Paul himself. It's wondering what would happen if someone with less baggage, fewer jagged edges, and marginally less radical ideas started to catch on. Their thinking would be just as dangerous as Paul's, but it might actually appeal to a rather broad audience.

556 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:24:35am

re: #554 Gus 802

U.N.: North Korea Human Rights Violations Condemned

Another nonbinding resolution.

Where is that on the scale of effectiveness in relation to the Strongly-Worded Letter?

557 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:25:15am

re: #553 darthstar

"tortured small animals"? I guess we know American conservative media is already working to prevent open negotiations with North Korea since they're already painting Un as a Jeffrey Dahmer.

I think we're dealing with a negative here. So it's a matter of "faith" if one believes or does not believe that he "tortured small animals."

558 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:25:38am

re: #529 Gus 802

There's no reason, other than hope and wishful thinking, to believe that Jong-un will lead North Korea on a different path. Jong-il and the personality cult thoroughly indoctrinated the top levels of the North Korean security/political establishment. The gulag archipelago awaited those who wavered from the official line.

So, while we know that Jong-il enjoyed his Hennessey and video collections, he kept a tight grip on the Internet and external communications - effectively cutting the North Koreans off from the rest of the world.

Those policies are so far being continued by Jong-un and the coterie that is behind him (apparently his aunt and uncle). The military is backing Jong-un, and there's no reason to believe that they're going to do anything other than what they've done since Kim Song-il founded North Korea.

It would take a sea-change in political and cultural thought for North Korea to open up, whether its allowing Internet access (though most North Koreans are more worried about their next meal than who's boffing who on TMZ.com), or lowering the militarization along the DMZ.

559 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:25:46am

I think we'll name our next Cat Overlord: Karma.

good name, don't you think?

560 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:26:10am

Very interesting article about the way in which the UK is following the US in its slavish worship of the military:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Highly recommended. The comments (at least the ones I've got through so far) are pretty thoughtful as well.

561 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:27:15am

We pause now for a moment of silence on the passing of Idi Amin.

//

562 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:28:47am

re: #540 Gus 802

"Immature age"? Jong-un is apparently around 30 years old. He's led a very sheltered life, and not much is known about him so much of what the intel services know is through supposition and not hands-on knowledge.

That said, he might be a complete nutjob like his dad, or he might actually have an independent streak, though that's not likely considering that Jong-il passed over his older two sons to pick Jong-un. Jong-il must have seen something in Jong-un that he liked - and his young age means that barring some unfortunate accident or massive change in North Korean politics, he's going to be around for a good long time to come.

563 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:29:37am

re: #561 Gus 802

We pause now for a moment of silence on the passing of Idi Amin.

//

skipping the sarcasm, a major difference is that when Idi Amin died he wasn't in office.

564 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:30:18am

re: #562 lawhawk

"Immature age"? Jong-un is apparently around 30 years old. He's led a very sheltered life, and not much is known about him so much of what the intel services know is through supposition and not hands-on knowledge.

That said, he might be a complete nutjob like his dad, or he might actually have an independent streak, though that's not likely considering that Jong-il passed over his older two sons to pick Jong-un. Jong-il must have seen something in Jong-un that he liked - and his young age means that barring some unfortunate accident or massive change in North Korean politics, he's going to be around for a good long time to come.

And he may also not have much control over things. As we move further down in generations, the potential for the leader to be purely symbolic seems like it would increase.

565 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:31:52am

re: #558 lawhawk

There's no reason, other than hope and wishful thinking, to believe that Jong-un will lead North Korea on a different path. Jong-il and the personality cult thoroughly indoctrinated the top levels of the North Korean security/political establishment. The gulag archipelago awaited those who wavered from the official line.

So, while we know that Jong-il enjoyed his Hennessey and video collections, he kept a tight grip on the Internet and external communications - effectively cutting the North Koreans off from the rest of the world.

Those policies are so far being continued by Jong-un and the coterie that is behind him (apparently his aunt and uncle). The military is backing Jong-un, and there's no reason to believe that they're going to do anything other than what they've done since Kim Song-il founded North Korea.

It would take a sea-change in political and cultural thought for North Korea to open up, whether its allowing Internet access (though most North Koreans are more worried about their next meal than who's boffing who on TMZ.com), or lowering the militarization along the DMZ.

So you're expecting major changes less than a week after the change? ok.

Look, you're probably right but saying they won't change because the new guy hasn't changed before anything's had time to change is poor argumentation.

566 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:36:16am

re: #565 kirkspencer

So you're not expecting major changes less than a week after the change? ok.

Look, you're probably right but saying they won't change because the new guy hasn't changed before anything's had time to change is poor argumentation.

I'm assuming that you dropped the not from the response (see above). Still, I don't think it's poor argumentation. Jong-un has been increasingly been put in a position of power to succeed Jong-il since Jong-il had those medical issues beginning a few years ago (stroke/heart issues), and the line of succession has been firmed up since 2009. That means that they've been working towards a smooth succession and continuation of policy.

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:37:13am

Well, I guess I should be productive . . .

*sigh*

Have a great morning all!

568 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:37:25am

re: #562 lawhawk

"Immature age"? Jong-un is apparently around 30 years old. He's led a very sheltered life, and not much is known about him so much of what the intel services know is through supposition and not hands-on knowledge.

That said, he might be a complete nutjob like his dad, or he might actually have an independent streak, though that's not likely considering that Jong-il passed over his older two sons to pick Jong-un. Jong-il must have seen something in Jong-un that he liked - and his young age means that barring some unfortunate accident or massive change in North Korean politics, he's going to be around for a good long time to come.

You do know why the older two sons were passed over, don't you? No, apparently not.

In 2001, the oldest son used a false passport to enter Japan. He wanted to go to Disneyland Tokyo. He was caught, and extradited to China. The embarrassment on several levels had him removed. Since then he's become something of a wastrel.

The second son was "it" till around 2007. Actually, there were signs he wasn't going to be it starting in 2003. There's no clear evidence why, but rumor (with some substantiation but not proof) is that he's effeminate in demeanor and possibly homosexual. The youngest son was designated heir in 2007. The second son has been stuck as a division head of 'the party' since his move there in 2005.

It isn't so much that the father saw something in the third son he liked, it's that the other two (and culturally preferred) choices removed themselves from the running and it's all he had left.

569 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:40:49am

U.S., Allies Boycott UN Silence For Kim

The United States, Japan and European Union nations have led a boycott of a moment of silence at the United Nations General Assembly meant to acknowledge the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

570 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:42:19am

re: #566 lawhawk

I'm assuming that you dropped the not from the response (see above). Still, I don't think it's poor argumentation. Jong-un has been increasingly been put in a position of power to succeed Jong-il since Jong-il had those medical issues beginning a few years ago (stroke/heart issues), and the line of succession has been firmed up since 2009. That means that they've been working towards a smooth succession and continuation of policy.

No, I'm responding to this clause:
"Those policies are so far being continued by Jong-un and the coterie that is behind him (apparently his aunt and uncle). "

It appears to be a cornerstone of your argument, that we can't expect changes because we haven't seen changes.

While 'un has held significant power since 'il's medical issues began, 'il still had the final say. I see why you are making the claim - not a week, but two and a half years of opportunity. I just think it's a mistaken position.

Thus I stand by the claim that /that/ basis of your argument -- that we can't expect change because we haven't seen change -- is weak.

571 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:44:06am

re: #568 kirkspencer

I'm well aware of the issues with the other two sons, and you're now assuming that I didn't know that the first son tried to gain entry to Japan. The second son was considered even more unstable even though he was considered the successor until as late as the mid 2000s. But you're now assuming that Jong-il had no other options at hand; he could have picked another relative or rehabilitated the image of the other sons. It's not like the propagandists don't know how to lie and exaggerate achievements.

572 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:44:42am

re: #569 Gus 802

U.S., Allies Boycott UN Silence For Kim

The United States, Japan and European Union nations have led a boycott of a moment of silence at the United Nations General Assembly meant to acknowledge the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

How do you boycott a moment of silence? Sing Rick Astley songs?

573 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:45:32am

re: #568 kirkspencer

edit correction: 'un was designated heir in 2009. There were indicators it would happen in 2007, but the official was in 2009.

574 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:45:45am

re: #572 darthstar

How do you boycott a moment of silence? Sing Rick Astley songs?

America F*** Yeah!

575 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:47:44am

My negative proof based prognostication is more valid than your negative proof based prognostication.

576 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:51:06am

Hey, I haven't heard anything about OWS lately. Anything going on?

577 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:51:07am

re: #575 Gus 802

My negative proof based prognostication is more valid than your negative proof based prognostication.

My positive ray of hope trumps all.

578 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:51:13am

re: #571 lawhawk

I'm well aware of the issues with the other two sons, and you're now assuming that I didn't know that the first son tried to gain entry to Japan. The second son was considered even more unstable even though he was considered the successor until as late as the mid 2000s. But you're now assuming that Jong-il had no other options at hand; he could have picked another relative or rehabilitated the image of the other sons. It's not like the propagandists don't know how to lie and exaggerate achievements.

... yes and no. I got the impression of the lack of knowledge from how you were speaking.

While you're correct that another relative or rehabilitation were options, they weren't GOOD options for him - not by ego, not by social standard.

579 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:52:19am

Okay...time to get a move on. See you all later.

580 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:54:18am
581 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:05:25am

re: #576 BigPapa

Hey, I haven't heard anything about OWS lately. Anything going on?

OccupyLA
They have an action planned to make an appearance at the Rose Parade. Story is they march last, with the OK from Pasadena PD. OLA web site has dropped most of the Manning crap, still running with the NDAA and SOPA outrages big time.

This is interesting, in support of the Egypt protesters.
[Link: occupylosangeles.org...]

582 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:06:08am

Now this is something I have never heard of, drunk man brings deer to hospital. [Link: poststar.com...]
That should be worth one get out of jail free card.

583 austin_blue  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:13:44am

At 4:30 it was pitch black here in Bedfordshire. I'd forgotten how short the days are here in winter.

re: #572 darthstar

How do you boycott a moment of silence? Sing Rick Astley songs?

Why not? He's never gonna let you down...

584 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:18:08am

re: #576 BigPapa

Hey, I haven't heard anything about OWS lately. Anything going on?

Hippie punching upthread.
/

585 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:23:48am

re: #576 BigPapa

Hey, I haven't heard anything about OWS lately. Anything going on?

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586 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:26:53am

re: #303 Sergey Romanov

Does anybody understand that thing of a novel?

No, but you can get a PhD if you bluff well about it.

587 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:29:54am

re: #586 SanFranciscoZionist

No, but you can get a PhD if you bluff well about it.

I've read it. I liked it. I don't think understanding it is the point of it.

588 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:32:33am

re: #368 Alouette

Who gets fooled by "51-year-old Mom Looks 25! Dermatologists Hate Her!" apparently HuffPost thinks its readers will go for this since they spam it at least 3 times on every page.

I don't think the HuffPo cares if readers go for it. They just take the advertiser's money.

589 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:33:42am

Speaking of novels, can Neal Stephenson's be read out of order? I was given bought for a buck The Confusion, and it would be the first of his I would read, if I dive into it.

590 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:35:07am

re: #587 Obdicut

I've read it. I liked it. I don't think understanding it is the point of it.

I've never had the time to get into Joyce. I think my personal preference when it comes to art generally tends towards the minimalist, so I think Beckett's reaction to Joyce fits quite nicely with me: he's already done the "add everything" angle, so let's try the "take everything away" angle instead.

591 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:36:05am

re: #581 Rightwingconspirator

OccupyLA
They have an action planned to make an appearance at the Rose Parade. Story is they march last, with the OK from Pasadena PD. OLA web site has dropped most of the Manning crap, still running with the NDAA and SOPA outrages big time.

This is interesting, in support of the Egypt protesters.
[Link: occupylosangeles.org...]

Couple of things from their "declaration":

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

592 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:37:35am

re: #389 reine.de.tout

The fox breeding was something I saw on a Nova program called "Dogs Decoded". Pretty amazing thing.

Not all wolf/dog blends work well for people. But when they do, they are amazing.

We had a wolf mix. Wonderful animal. But I've heard people have problems with them.

593 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:39:47am

re: #589 wrenchwench

Speaking of novels, can Neal Stephenson's be read out of order? I was given bought for a buck The Confusion, and it would be the first of his I would read, if I dive into it.

No. read them in order.

594 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:41:17am

re: #456 Alouette

What is the Worst Christmas Song of All Time?

Last night I almost had a seizure when I turned on "X Factor" (I did not realize that it pre-empted my favorite program, "Bones") and Justin Bieber was performing "Santa Is Coming To Town" surrounded by convulsion-inducing projection screens, and a bunch of guys spinning around upside down on their heads.

Horrible.

I personally hate "Last Christmas" as sung by a variety of popular R&B stars, with a passion.

595 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:44:02am

re: #593 Obdicut

No. read them in order.

I was afraid of that. Thanks.

Just this series of three, or all of them?

596 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:44:30am

re: #487 austin_blue

Over time, the one that has continuously increased as annoying/unlistenable is "The Little Drummer Boy". As soon as it starts, I come to the realization that if I ever find the little bastard, I'm going to Pa-rum-pum-pum-pound that drum up his ass.

I have sort of come around on it since they used it in a very touching West Wing Christmas episode.

597 abbyadams  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:45:01am

re: #24 EmmmieG

College students do that too, just FYI.

598 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:45:28am

re: #594 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally hate "Last Christmas" as sung by a variety of popular R&B stars, with a passion.

I hate the modern songs of Christmas done with Auto-Tune. It's like Cher has taken over TV ads..

599 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:46:43am

re: #493 iossarian

For me it's "Santa Baby". People had better be glad there's no concealed carry in my state, otherwise I'd have committed several mall massacres by now when that delightful tune strikes up.

Don't mind Little Drummer Boy.

I love "Santa Baby"

600 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:47:28am

Our big pet peeve is Christmas hymns (not songs, hymns-- O Holy Night is a hymn, and Rocking around the Christmas Tree is a song) done jazzy.

Gah.

601 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:49:04am

re: #599 SanFranciscoZionist

I love "Santa Baby"

The only version I have ever heard that didn't make me want to kick something was the glee version. It's not too bad. Santana does not sound like a kewpie doll in lingerie.

602 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:49:16am

re: #594 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally hate "Last Christmas" as sung by a variety of popular R&B stars, with a passion.

'Wonderful Christmas Time' tops my hated Christmas songs list. As much as I love Paul McCartney, that song is unforgivable.

603 Simply Sarah  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:49:27am

Well, time to try and beat the traffic west on the Pike. I hope everyone has a great holiday or holidays of their choice!

604 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:49:46am

re: #600 EmmmieG

Our big pet peeve is Christmas hymns (not songs, hymns-- O Holy Night is a hymn, and Rocking around the Christmas Tree is a song) done jazzy.

Gah.

I have never heard Rockin Around the Christmas Tree sung as a hymn. That would be different.

605 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:49:47am

re: #595 wrenchwench

I was afraid of that. Thanks.

Just this series of three, or all of them?

Just that series.

606 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:50:27am

re: #600 EmmmieG

Our big pet peeve is Christmas hymns (not songs, hymns-- O Holy Night is a hymn, and Rocking around the Christmas Tree is a song) done jazzy.

Gah.

Almost as bad - 'punked-up' versions of Christmas songs. Just a horrible idea on every level.

607 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:50:47am

re: #506 Petero1818

+1 on Santa Baby. The only thing that makes it worse is when you watch someone sing it rather than just hearing it. Then you are forced to watch someone try to be dramatically seductive while dressed as an elf. Makes me glad to be Jewish.

But...Earth Kitt!!

608 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:51:27am

re: #604 Alouette

I have never heard Rockin Around the Christmas Tree sung as a hymn. That would be different.

It would be odd, but not as annoying as someone trying to make Silent Night rock out.

609 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:51:37am

I also hate the "Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel!" song, but "South Park" actually had a very catchy version.

610 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:51:54am

re: #607 SanFranciscoZionist

But...Earth Kitt!!

Eartha was the only one who could get away with it. Every version since hers has paled in comparison.

611 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:52:55am

re: #607 SanFranciscoZionist

But...Earth Kitt!!

Your logic is invalid. I am a big fan of affirmative action, but not in the case of shitty Christmas songs.

/

612 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:53:16am

re: #518 darthstar

A 25 second minute of silence. Almost as short as Kim Jong Il himself. What that's called is protocol. You have to recognize the passing of Kim Jong Il if you want his successor to join the international community. We're at a point where we may see a sea change in North Korea (if Kim Jong Il was, in fact, the one factor keeping that country as rogue-ish as it was). If his son is more western-friendly, we could see conflicts with two members of the Bush Axis of Evil become things of the past.

What exactly are the odds that one man was keeping North Korea as it is? And what exactly are the odds that his hand-picked successor is going to lead them to a brighter future?

I'm holding out no hope at all until I see something more than 'maybe this time'.

613 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:53:49am

re: #110 jdivito98

Welcome, hatchling.

614 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:55:32am

re: #605 Obdicut

Just that series.

Thanks again.

615 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:57:27am

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan

North Korea Demands South Korea Attend Kim Jong Il's Funeral

South Korea doesn't even recognize North Korea as a legitimate nation.

Are the Norks just being mischievous, or are they trying to start something?

616 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:58:03am
617 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:58:22am

re: #528 iossarian

Well, my favorite ending to a carol is "Once In Royal David's City":

Not in that poor lowly stable,
With the oxen standing by,
We shall see him, but in heaven,
Set at God's right hand on high.
Where like stars his children crowned,
All in white shall wait around.

"Wait around"? FOR WHAT?

Er...I think the idea is they wait around HIM.

618 allegro  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:58:30am

On my way to the grocery store this morning, they played a parody of Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire" that had me guffawing in the car. The guy singing nailed the voice and it was instead "Tree of Fire" about the cat setting the tree on fire with such lines as "... when I learned fern burned, the tree of fire..."

Now that's a christmas song I can love.

619 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:03:52am

re: #540 Gus 802

Portrait of New Leader Takes Shape

I wonder if this is true. Of course the first response might be "why it's the WSJ and they're owned by News Corp!" There's a question if this young fellow will even take over were his father left off given his immature age.

Remember who raised him.

620 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:11:45am

re: #549 darthstar

New generation, new attitudes. Isolationism isn't something so easily taught to one's children. Humans are naturally curious about the outside world. I'm sure Kim Jong Un has discovered the internet, and probably even the Honey Badger. Send him a few LOLCats and in three weeks he'll be asking to visit the White House.

We are, please remember, talking about the son of a man who kidnapped entertainers he liked, rather than, say, going to Cannes. What Kim Jon Un has probably learned is that if he likes the Honey Badger, they can get him one.

And 'generation' implies exposure to other youth, a common culture, an exchange of ideas...experiences that we probably can't assume this man has ever had.

621 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:12:11am

re: #553 darthstar

"tortured small animals"? I guess we know American conservative media is already working to prevent open negotiations with North Korea since they're already painting Un as a Jeffrey Dahmer.

I'm sure he's a lovely, sensitive young man.

622 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:13:38am

re: #564 Simply Sarah

And he may also not have much control over things. As we move further down in generations, the potential for the leader to be purely symbolic seems like it would increase.

Probably a lot rests right now on the army.

623 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:14:36am

re: #565 kirkspencer

So you're expecting major changes less than a week after the change? ok.

Look, you're probably right but saying they won't change because the new guy hasn't changed before anything's had time to change is poor argumentation.

True, but arguing that they will change, because they could, is silly, especially if you're ignoring the actual facts on the ground to do it.

624 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:16:22am

re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist

South Korea doesn't even recognize North Korea as a legitimate nation.

Are the Norks just being mischievous, or are they trying to start something?

Just seething. Fuck them.

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:17:58am

re: #611 iossarian

Your logic is invalid. I am a big fan of affirmative action, but not in the case of shitty Christmas songs.

/

?

626 boredtechindenver  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:18:40am

re: #614 wrenchwench

If you are going to read "The Baroque Cycle", remember to also read "Cryptonomicon".

627 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:20:35am

re: #617 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...I think the idea is they wait around HIM.

Yes yes.

The world is a drab and dreary place. I find my amusement where I can.

628 iossarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:23:05am

re: #625 SanFranciscoZionist

?

Well, I find the song to be shitty even in the original Eartha Kitt version*. I was jokingly suggesting that there is a certain type of person who professes to like any music performed by African American artists, in order to increase their liberal cred. However I was not accusing you of such a shallow aesthetic worldview, hence the sarcslash.


* Is it the original? I am assuming it is.

629 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:34:55am

re: #628 iossarian

Well, I find the song to be shitty even in the original Eartha Kitt version*. I was jokingly suggesting that there is a certain type of person who professes to like any music performed by African American artists, in order to increase their liberal cred. However I was not accusing you of such a shallow aesthetic worldview, hence the sarcslash.

* Is it the original? I am assuming it is.

Yes, I believe it was her song, originally. And God, no one can do gold-digging sweetheart like Eartha.

630 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:57:51am

re: #626 boredtechindenver

If you are going to read "The Baroque Cycle", remember to also read "Cryptonomicon".

Before starting the Baroque Cycle?

631 boredtechindenver  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 11:06:27am

re: #630 wrenchwench

Before starting the Baroque Cycle?

It can be read before or after. A lot of the same family names, but set in this century, instead of the 15th and 16th.

632 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 11:10:38am

re: #631 boredtechindenver

Thanks!


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