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Ron Paul Was Scheduled to Appear on a White Supremacist Radio Show in 2006

Another connection between Ron Paul and the racist underground
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The New Republic has made available a collection of Ron Paul’s ugliest newsletters, and if you haven’t seen how bad this stuff is yet, you may be shocked.

I think it’s amazing and sad that this hasn’t been a political problem for Ron Paul before now. The content of these newsletters is so extreme and hateful, it’s disturbing indeed that a politician can rise to a very high national office and even run for President with views like these — and it’s obvious that Ron Paul could not possibly have been unaware of what was in the newsletters, published under his name.

And now there’s still more evidence of Ron Paul’s connections to the white supremacist far right.

I got an email from Adam Holland today about a post he just put up: Did Ron Paul appear on white supremacist radio show?

As I replied to Adam, I actually discovered this same link in May of this year, and posted LGF comments about it here and here.

The story so far: apparently Ron Paul was scheduled to appear on the notorious radio show “The Political Cesspool,” a talk show in Tennessee connected to the white separatist Council of Conservative Citizens and the Holocaust denial group Institute for Historical Review.

The announcement of Ron Paul’s appearance was posted on the blog of Political Cesspool co-founder Austin Farley: Congressman Ron Paul TONIGHT On The Cesspool.

Friday, August 18, 2006
Congressman Ron Paul TONIGHT On The Cesspool
One of the only truly conservative Congressmen in office today, Ron Paul, will be doing a live interview on The Political Cesspool thepoliticalcesspool.org tonight. The show is from 7-8 PM Central time and can be heard locally (Memphis) on 1380 AM WLRM or the live stream or archives if you miss it live will be at thepoliticalcesspool.org. No matter what your opinion of the Cesspool is you will not want to miss this interview. I have heard that No Child Left Behind and possible Bush impeachment will be discussed, but I am not 100% sure on that. Tune in to find out.

Austin
posted by Austin Farley Your Hero @ 5:27 AM

If true, this would be the most direct connection yet between Ron Paul and the kind of people who cheer for David Duke. But as Adam Holland and I both discovered, the archives of The Political Cesspool radio show have apparently been scrubbed of this episode.

Here’s the archive page with the missing day.

I hadn’t posted about this previously because I’ve been unable to confirm that the show actually took place. But Ron Paul was clearly scheduled to appear and his interview was announced by one of The Political Cesspool’s resident troglodytes — and that missing day in their archives is very curious. In the context of the renewed focus on Paul’s racist, homophobic, and antisemitic newsletters, this is more evidence of a pattern of disturbing associations with the dregs of America’s racist underground.

And speaking of the dregs, if you scroll down the archive page linked above you’ll see that a week prior to Ron Paul’s scheduled appearance, the guest of honor on The Political Cesspool was none other than the crusty old white supremacist David Duke himself:

The Political Cesspool 8/11/06 (TN)

GUEST: DR. DAVID DUKE - Be with us tonight as we are joined from Austria by this author, commentator and former State Representative who will be offering us his take on the situation in Lebanon from the standpoint of American interests in the region.

Ron Paul’s fellow travelers. I’m still trying to find evidence that Ron Paul’s interview on this disgusting show happened as scheduled, so stay tuned.

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236 comments

1 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:54:32pm

I remember hearing about this long ago. I wonder if a transcript for the show will turn up, or a recording. I fully think Paul might have gone on, but he might be a little more cagey than that.

2 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:02:24pm

I feel like I've got enough reasons to dislike Ron Paul. This white supremacist shit just isn't doing anything for me. He's simply moved from being an ASShole to an ASSHOLE.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:08:55pm

Hey, Charles, I found another clue. Google "We have also confirmed an interview with U.S. Congressman Ron Paul".

4 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:09:43pm

Glad that America is waking up to this fool Luap Nor. Would it be that my Faux-Liberitarian Brother and my Tea Partier Sister-in-Law disown him too, but forget it; they've drunken the Flavor Aid.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:11:14pm
HOUSEHOLD NAMES LAND IN THE CESSPOOL!
The Political Cesspool continues to reach out, all over the world,
welcoming activists and elected officials to our program that
provide our audience with censor-free opinions regarding the
problems that ail our Republic. We feel as though the freedom of
speech that was won for us by the blood of our ancestors must apply
to all Americans, even those with whom the establishment elite may
disagree.
With that being said, The Political Cesspool is pleased to welcome
Dr. David Duke to the show on Friday evening, August 11. This
author, commentator and former Louisiana State Representative will
join us for the entire hour as we discuss a number of topics, but
particularly the situation in Lebanon from the standpoint of
American interests in the region. David Duke has been kind enough
to be with us all the way from Europe, where he is currently on a
public speaking tour. If you can't catch the live edition of the
Duke interview, please remember that the broadcast archive of this
program will be available on our official website.
We have also confirmed an interview with U.S. Congressman Ron Paul
(R - TX), which will take place next week.
Stay tuned to The
Political Cesspool for more information as we continue to fight to
put America First with no retreat, no surrender and no apologies!
(The Political Cesspool airs each weeknight, 7:00 pm - 8:00 pm, on
AM 1380 WLRM in Memphis, Tennessee. Our internet simulcast and
broadcast archives can be found on our official website,
www.thepoliticalcesspool.org, which makes our guests available to a
worldwide audience.)
On to victory,
James Edwards
Host, The Political Cesspool Radio Program
THE POLITICAL CESSPOOL: Mon - Fri, 7pm-8pm Central - AM 1380 WLRM
Memphis
6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:14:58pm

It seems from the scarcity of info on this, as well as lack of mentions of the interview at Stormfront etc. that it probably didn't happen. Paul probably understood it would be a liability to him.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:22:07pm

OT: Does it seem reasonable to y'all to describe Germany as the EU's 'sole stable power' (speaking economically)?

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:23:23pm

Hmm. Lots of links to relatively recent Ron Paul's speech(es) and interview(s) to John Birch Society. I'm not surprised in the least, but I didn't know about this in particular.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:31:25pm

Here's someone who has found the announcement in 2007:

[Link: demarcationville.wordpress.com...]

The interesting bit:

Aside from being tickled that the commenter concedes a Paul appearance on the Political PooPoo radio show would discredit him as a candidate, I considered the possibility I’d made a mistake.

It can happen, you know. So, time to review my facts. I recall seeing Paul’s name on the online Potty Guest List. When I went back to check, he was missing. I would have assumed I’d erred if I hadn’t found these tidbits:

Now, is that just a mistaken memory? Not so fast! I also found this indepedent source that says that Ron Paul appeared on the guest list:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

You'll also see him on the guest list at The Political Cesspool, the
official radio program of the White Citizen's Council:

[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

10 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:31:47pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

OT: Does it seem reasonable to y'all to describe Germany as the EU's 'sole stable power' (speaking economically)?

Probably not. Germany is certainly a powerhouse but Sweden, Finland, France are doing pretty well.

11 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:33:12pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

Yeah. I'm betting it was scheduled, and then scrubbed. The missing archive is weird, though.

12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:35:29pm

Tagged WTF from Firedoglake...
Occupy LA: “Let’s OK Property Damage!”
Commenters seem to think this is the work of government moles sent to frame the movement as violent.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:35:38pm

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

And following the links in that post:

[Link: www.greencommons.org...]

Additionally, not only is he the darling of some of the most racist hate groups on the planet, he has PARTCIPATED in events with them.

Do a bit of research on the Political Cesspool where he has been a guest many times. It's the radio program for the White Citizens Council ... you'll find him listed under P, right above Prussian Blue, the white supremacist teenage singing duo. What was that Paul said about "racial identity" .. I guess that's only bad if you're not white.
[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Paul has been a guest on the program; you'll find him listed under P, right above Prussian Blue, the white supremacist teenage singing duo.

(The link on "guest" leads to the guestlist at the TPC site.)

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:36:09pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Yeah. I'm betting it was scheduled, and then scrubbed. The missing archive is weird, though.

I don't know now. Many signs that he was at their guest list.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:36:43pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Germany is certainly a powerhouse but Sweden, Finland, France are doing pretty well.

Thanks. I'm editing...got all these future economists of America to take care of, and they tend to DRAMATIC statements.

16 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:38:53pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I'm editing...got all these future economists of America to take care of, and they tend to DRAMATIC statements.

It's really tough for common people to really understand what's going on economically and MSM reporters do a terrible job. It also doesn't help that the field of economics attracts a lot of smart but nutty people.

17 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:39:34pm

Sergey, nice work man.

18 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:43:16pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

Huh. So that claims 'many times'. Interesting.

19 jvic  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:43:33pm

I think it’s amazing and sad that this hasn’t been a political problem for Ron Paul before now.

1. There's a cautionary element here. The worse the economy gets, the less of a problem a Paul-like history will be for someone who claims to have the answer. And racism is not the only evil in the body politic.

2. No need to be amazed and sad about me. I considered your early posts about Paul, showing him hobnobbing with white supremacists, to be dispositive.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:44:23pm

I think it's possible they added him and forgot to delete him after he didn't appear. Otherwise, if there was an interview, it must've been scrubbed pretty quickly. It would have been discussed at Stormfront, Nat. Vanguard or at least some place.

21 jvic  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:45:49pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Germany is certainly a powerhouse but Sweden, Finland, France are doing pretty well.

Switzerland too.

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:48:22pm

re: #18 Obdicut

Huh. So that claims 'many times'. Interesting.

Sloppy claim IMHO.

23 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:50:09pm

Sic transit gloria party of Lincoln.

25 wilburs  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:51:29pm

It's bizarre that the GOP has let him hang around this long, as he does nothing but damage them by bringing out the real lunatics. In 2007, they couldn't get him off the stage fast enough.

My favorite video of that campaign year is a one of bunch of Paul bots chasing Hannity down the street in NH complaining about Paul not being allowed to participate in the debates.

26 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:51:42pm

re: #22 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, it sounds hyperbolic.

27 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:52:09pm

Also [Link: www.neogaf.com...]

While it's true that Ron Paul cannot help getting the unabashed support (mostly--from what I can tell--due to his views on immigration, foreign policy, limited government, taxes, etc) from well known racist figures like Pat Buchanan, David Duke and members from sites like Storm Front, he has made guest appearances for organizations like the John Birch Society, and a group of secessionists; has been interviewed by Alex Jones (believes in conspiracies like the truth about 9/11, New World Order and the role of ZOG or Zionist Occupied Government(s)), and the Council of Conservative Citizens' radio show, The Political Cesspool, which has Prussian Blue just below Ron Paul on the the guest list.

I don't know how I feel about all this. Somebody hold me :p

Well, all the sources prove that yeah, Ron Paul has been on TPC's guest list and then was removed.

28 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:54:22pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

No, not reasonable, Italy is full of geniuses; and who thinks a Mercedes is more exciting than a Ferrari?

Hardly anyone, really.

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:54:37pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Also Stormfront post by "suepeace" :

Uh......wow. I understand that Paul denies writing the texts of these newsletters. One can see why. He'd have to run for office with the White Nationalist Party. [...]
Political Cesspool guests: scroll down to the "P"s.
[Link: www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...]

Ron Paul articles from David Duke's site

[etc.]

30 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:54:56pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Also [Link: www.neogaf.com...]

Well, all the sources prove that yeah, Ron Paul has been on TPC's guest list and then was removed.

As repugnant as Political Cesspool is, their webmaster was very thorough in creating their robots.txt, because they list search engines and user agents I've never heard of.

They're making damn sure no one can archive or cache their shit...assholes.

31 jvic  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:55:34pm

re: #21 jvic

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Germany is certainly a powerhouse but Sweden, Finland, France are doing pretty well.

Switzerland too.

It's not an issue I follow, but fwiw Intrade gives a 70% chance that France's S&P credit rating will be downgraded by the end of June.

32 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:56:32pm

re: #28 Ojoe

No, not reasonable, Italy is full of geniuses; and who thinks a Mercedes is more exciting than a Ferrari?

Hardly anyone, really.

Unless you get a AMG...hi-test, hi-buck stuff from Benz.

33 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:56:56pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Also [Link: www.neogaf.com...]

Well, all the sources prove that yeah, Ron Paul has been on TPC's guest list and then was removed.

Yes, he was definitely on their guest list at one point, and was then removed. I think it's clear that The Political Cesspool is trying to hide Ron Paul's connection to them.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:57:11pm

Ta da:
[Link: www.genmay.com...]

and as an added bit, there's one indictment made in a comment about the article, which noted that Paul has been a frequent guest/contributor on a radio show called "the political cesspool" which is your typical mixture of conspiracy theorists, modern confederate/secession supporters, racial heritage nutjobs, etc. they've removed him from their guest list (which reads like a mix between the credits of a free_willy youtube video and the writers of the stack of stormfront newsletters piled up next to samfarber's gigantic shitter), but he's clearly still there on the web archive cache of the page here.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 4:58:53pm

re: #33 Charles

They blocked the Wayback Machine on their site. Maybe after people started pointing to that cached page.

36 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:02:27pm

re: #34 Sergey Romanov

Somewhere there must be cassette tapes of those radio shows, recorded off the air.

37 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:03:14pm

re: #33 Charles

Yes, he was definitely on their guest list at one point, and was then removed. I think it's clear that The Political Cesspool is trying to hide Ron Paul's connection to them.

It would only be because even they know they're too extreme and repugnant for mainstream America, the people that Ron Paul would have to pander to in order to get votes on the national stage.

Ron Paul: the submarine Political Cesspool candidate (so they hoped).

38 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:03:34pm
39 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:04:14pm
The content of these newsletters is so extreme and hateful, it’s disturbing indeed that a politician can rise to a very high national office and even run for President with views like these

Absolutely disturbing.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:04:26pm

re: #36 Ojoe

Somewhere there must be cassette tapes of those radio shows, recorded off the air.

Well, there's the problem. Numerous people noticed such a "small" thing as Paul being on the guest list, but nobody noticed and discussed the program, incl. Nazi fans?

41 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:06:22pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Well, there's the problem. Numerous people noticed such a "small" thing as Paul being on the guest list, but nobody noticed and discussed the program, incl. Nazi fans?

Well I bet they did, they are just keeping any recordings to themselves, or they've lost them in their messy houses.

42 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:17:05pm

Slow !

43 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:18:01pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Well, there's the problem. Numerous people noticed such a "small" thing as Paul being on the guest list, but nobody noticed and discussed the program, incl. Nazi fans?

At this point, we'll never know for sure whether Farley was talking out of his ass when he announced Paul as a Political Cesspool guest or if Paul was confirmed to appear, then got cold feet; it really doesn't matter anyway.

The fact that people outside of their core audience (racists and bigots) noticed Paul's name anywhere on their guest list during the early run-up to 2008 says a lot about what kind of people Paul's ideology attracts and why the PC creeps went through a lot of trouble trying to scrub and sanitize the Internet of any connection between them and Paul (and using robots.txt to block archiving/caching for most search engines).

The SOBs at PC are free to black-hole their history and all we're left with is a bunch of hearsay from the caches of other sites and our dicks in our hands, barring any other verifiable proof. And I'm sure they love every minute of it...

*spit*

44 wilburs  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:30:33pm

re: #43 talon_262

At this point, we'll never know for sure whether Farley was talking out of his ass when he announced Paul as a Political Cesspool guest or if Paul was confirmed to appear, then got cold feet; it really doesn't matter anyway.

The fact that people outside of their core audience (racists and bigots) noticed Paul's name anywhere on their guest list during the early run-up to 2008 says a lot about what kind of people Paul's ideology attracts and that the PC creeps went through a lot of trouble scrubbing and sanitizing the Internet of any connection between them and Paul (and using robots.txt to block archiving/caching for most search engines).

The SOBs at PC are free to black-hole their history and all we're left with is a bunch of hearsay from the caches of other sites and our dicks in our hands, barring any other verifiable proof. And I'm sure they love every minute of it...

*spit*

Alinsky tactics!!!!!!!

45 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:50:44pm

Another oops! moment:

Bob Vander Plaats' Pay-For-Play Scandal: Charged A Million Bucks For Endorsement, Asked Candidates To Drop Out

Though Santorum did not specify the dollar amount he and Vander Plaats discussed, multiple sources said he was soliciting as much as $1 million from Santorum and other candidates.

46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:51:41pm

Dumb conservative bigots are dumb, and conservative.

That said, looks like Paul, PC et al could all use a service like reputationdefender.com or one of those right now.

Dumb, stupid-asses. /Schadenfreude

47 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:53:32pm

re: #45 jaunte

Another oops! moment:

Bob Vander Plaats' Pay-For-Play Scandal: Charged A Million Bucks For Endorsement, Asked Candidates To Drop Out

So dishonest.

I hope by now people know enough to keep their children away from filthy socons like Vander Plaats, christ knows what kind of amorality they teach them at THE FAMiLY LEADER.

48 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:55:19pm

re: #47 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

All these 'family' organizations have done some extreme damage to what the word family connotes.

49 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 5:57:51pm

The Internet trail on this story is really weird. An announcement that Ron Paul's appearing on Political Cesspool, then ... nothing. It's rare to find such a complete absence of follow-up evidence.

50 darthstar  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:04:22pm

re: #49 Charles

It's rare to find such a complete absence of follow-up evidence.

Dan Rather...CBS...something about someone being awol. Surely you heard about it.

51 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:06:14pm

re: #50 darthstar

Dan Rather...CBS...something about someone being awol. Surely you heard about it.

The sarcasm on that just oozed through my screen...

/GET IT OFF, GET IT OFF OF ME!!! ;-p

52 Olsonist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:09:46pm

FWIW, the Feb 5, 2009 crawl is the first crawl in the Wayback Machine which has a robots.txt file. The preceding crawl, Sep 23, 2008 doesn't have a robots.txt file.

This means that before 2009 there may have been no robots.txt file and that PC could have been crawled, perhaps by the Internet Archive, perhaps by others. But the date that you're looking for is 2006 so it could have been crawled and archived elsewhere.

53 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:11:07pm

re: #48 jaunte

I wish they'd cut it out, they are poisoning the atmosphere.

54 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:15:00pm

Putting aside the content for a second, what kind of self-respecting member of Congress goes on a show named Political Cesspool?

55 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:15:33pm

Been replaying GTA San Andreas as my x-mas treat. Great game, very fun to replay. It all seems vaguely familiar. Probably the best of the GTA series.

56 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:19:04pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Been replaying GTA San Andreas as my x-mas treat. Great game, very fun to replay. It all seems vaguely familiar. Probably the best of the GTA series.

I missed the wide open spaces while playing GTA IV.

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:19:25pm

They need to have a profession named "Candidacy Coach." This person's first job is to sit down with you and have a long talk about your past.

1. Do you have anything sexual in your past which you don't want coming out? It will.

2. Is there anything written down anywhere which can be used against you?

3. How are you with the immigration laws?

4. How are you with the IRS?

58 steve_davis  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:20:18pm

really, I'm curious if something like this might cause some really uncomfortable blowback for Pat Buchanan. I mean, if media picks up on how ugly this radio show is, they might then suddenly realize that Buchanan was making multiple appearances. If having an appearance is bad enough to get evidence scrubbed for Ron Paul, shouldn't it be a bit of a problem for MSNBC to have Grandpa Buchanan making multiple appearances?

59 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:20:59pm

Holy crap.. one of the ads on PC that I just saw? Lighthouse Literature.

"A Bright Light
for the White
Right."

Holee crap...

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:28pm

re: #59 JasonA

Holy crap.. one of the ads on PC that I just saw? Lighthouse Literature.

"A Bright Light
for the White
Right."

Holee crap...

Yes, Virginia, They Really Are That Bad

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:31pm

re: #56 JasonA

I missed the wide open spaces while playing GTA IV.

San andreas was also a much edgier game in terms of content. They probably couldn't get away with that stuff today.

62 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:34pm

I'm surprised nobody has yet posted this picture of Ron Paul standing with Don Black of Stormfront and his son Derek, who is rockin' the Isaac look from The Children of the Corn.

63 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:40pm

re: #58 steve_davis

really, I'm curious if something like this might cause some really uncomfortable blowback for Pat Buchanan. I mean, if media picks up on how ugly this radio show is, they might then suddenly realize that Buchanan was making multiple appearances. If having an appearance is bad enough to get evidence scrubbed for Ron Paul, shouldn't it be a bit of a problem for MSNBC to have Grandpa Buchanan making multiple appearances?

No one cares about Pat Buchanan.

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:47pm

What bothers me is the people who will think this is "the establishment" or "Romney's people" out to get Paul (or Cain, or whoever).

Romney/the media/the establishment did not write and publish these letters. If this was a private letter, they might have a point.

Romney/the media/the establishment did not grab any woman's head and shove it towards anyone's crotch. They didn't take a picture of your underwear and post it to twitter. They didn't take out an account at Tiffany's for you, and they didn't file divorce papers for you.

65 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:21:59pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

They need to have a profession named "Candidacy Coach." This person's first job is to sit down with you and have a long talk about your past.

1. Do you have anything sexual in your past which you don't want coming out? It will.

2. Is there anything written down anywhere which can be used against you?

3. How are you with the immigration laws?

4. How are you with the IRS?

You'd think that was step one. I think the ego of most of these people overrides the practical thinking.

66 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:23:01pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, Virginia, They Really Are That Bad

I'm not even going to bring up "Starving the Monkeys."

Jeezus.

67 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:25:05pm

I think my computer needs a clean install of Windows after looking at that site. Clearing the history just won't cut it...

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:25:48pm

re: #67 JasonA

I think my computer needs a clean install of Windows after looking at that site. Clearing the history just won't cut it...

I recommend immersing the entire computer in holy water. It wrecks the computer, but it does clean out all the demons.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:26:10pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

I recommend immersing the entire computer in holy water. It wrecks the computer, but it does clean out all the demons.

What we need is for someone to start marketing holy canned air.

70 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:29:01pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

What we need is for someone to start marketing holy canned air.

How, exactly, would that work in Vampire movies?

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:34:18pm

re: #70 EmmmieG

How, exactly, would that work in Vampire movies?

Like pepper spray? It seems to me that getting them to inhale it would be effective. Do they need to breathe?

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:38:14pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

Like pepper spray? It seems to me that getting them to inhale it would be effective. Do they need to breathe?

Well, not in Twilight, but nobody takes that as canon.

73 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:41:16pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

I'm surprised nobody has yet posted this picture of Ron Paul standing with Don Black of Stormfront and his son Derek, who is rockin' the Isaac look from The Children of the Corn.

You mean this picture? Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront.

74 steve_davis  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:44:51pm

re: #67 JasonA

I think my computer needs a clean install of Windows after looking at that site. Clearing the history just won't cut it...

I just came back into the room to discover my computer had apparently given itself a vinegar/water douche. I think it also just intentionally infected Quicken with some malware :-)

75 jvic  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:46:18pm

re: #19 jvic

...I considered your early posts about Paul, showing him hobnobbing with white supremacists, to be dispositive.

re: #73 Charles

You mean this picture? Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront.

I didn't have a link, but that's the post I had in mind.

76 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:46:35pm

Sorry if its a little early for OT
SOPA
Google and all the ISP's hate it. RIAA and the studios act as if it's essential. The topic is suffused with outrage. Occupy has gotten all over it.

Has anyone seen a clear clean take on this?

Charles you might have a take on it as the Pages & SOPA liabilities could hit you close to home if I understood it right. Frankly I'm leaning against it but the core mission of protecting content has to be addressed.

But the hyperbole & outrage is just numbing.

77 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:46:50pm

re: #49 Charles

The Internet trail on this story is really weird. An announcement that Ron Paul's appearing on Political Cesspool, then ... nothing. It's rare to find such a complete absence of follow-up evidence.

So they are fans of at least two forms of historical revisionism.

78 Firstinla  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 6:53:35pm

re: #73 Charles

You mean this picture? Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront.

Ugly as it may be, my first impression is that Blake's son is dressed like those kids that did the killing at Columbine.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:02:16pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

Like pepper spray? It seems to me that getting them to inhale it would be effective. Do they need to breathe?

Well, in order to speak, they must be doing something with air.

80 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:06:09pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, in order to speak, they must be doing something with air.

Good point. I seem to recall in Breaking Dawn that she has to breathe to speak, but can otherwise hold her breath.

81 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:10:41pm

Bobby Jindal campaigning with Rick Perry in Iowa

James Gill: "Our great democracy can offer no more absurd spectacle than the run-up to the Iowa caucuses. Except for the actual caucuses, when the question of who should lead the western world is briefly left to handfuls of evangelicals willing to trudge through a blizzard for an evening spent huddled in corners."

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:12:01pm

No Rick Perry in Virginia's primary. Couldn't get 10k signatures. Yay, my Commonwealth!

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:12:06pm

re: #78 Firstinla

Ugly as it may be, my first impression is that Blake's son is dressed like those kids that did the killing at Columbine.

lol, half my friends in high school dressed like the columbine kids :D

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:12:50pm

re: #81 jaunte

The Exorcist! awesome, they deserve each other

85 jvic  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:14:04pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

What we need is for someone to start marketing holy canned air.

Somebody marketed exorcism software but the business failed: the first thing it did was to delete Windows. /

If you're willing to entertain the notion--rather, if the notion entertains you--that the computer industry is controlled by demonic entities, you'll probably enjoy Ubersoft.

86 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:15:20pm
87 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:16:17pm

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No Rick Perry in Virginia's primary. Couldn't get 10k signatures. Yay, my Commonwealth!

I was just reading about that. Embarrassing. The only candidates to have successfully attained 10,000 signatures so far are Paul and Romney.

88 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:17:10pm

re: #86 Alexzander

Only in some confederate states alternate reality.

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:17:28pm

re: #86 Alexzander

VP possibility?

Vice President of what country, Narnia? :D

90 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:18:06pm

Happy the Eve of Christmas Eve everyone --or the 4th? night of Chanukah Seder?

How are you?

91 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:18:06pm

re: #86 Alexzander

VP possibility?

Hahaha

92 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:18:42pm

re: #90 ggt

Happy the Eve of Christmas Eve everyone --or the 4th? night of Chanukah Seder?

How are you?

working *_*

93 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:19:35pm

re: #92 WindUpBird

working *_*

working is good!

94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:21:19pm

re: #92 WindUpBird

working *_*

I would be, but my client flaked on a deadline to day, feh.

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:21:45pm

re: #92 WindUpBird

Does that mean "Working with assholes"?

96 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:22:49pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*_*

(work is a level period of indeterminate time, bounded by assholes)

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23:05pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does that mean "Working with assholes"?

I'm self employed, so the answer is yes!

98 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:23:54pm

I feel as tho we have our own "Fundamentalist Imams" we are fighting against and no one seems to realize it.

WTF?

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:24:01pm

re: #94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I would be, but my client flaked on a deadline to day, feh.

/musicgeekon


I saw a Kurzweil K2000 at my local used music store today, if it's still there in a couple weeks, I'ma gonna buy it *_*

100 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:24:39pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

/musicgeekon

I saw a Kurzweil K2000 at my local used music store today, if it's still there in a couple weeks, I'ma gonna buy it *_*

There are still local music stores? Wow

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:26:53pm

re: #100 ggt

There are still local music stores? Wow

this is a music GEAR store, instruments ^_^


but there's an amazing local record store near me
, one of the most famous record stores in the NW, still plugging along!

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:27:45pm

re: #100 ggt

Kurzweil K2000 awesomeness:

103 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:28:01pm

re: #101 WindUpBird

this is a music GEAR store, instruments ^_^


but there's an amazing local record store near me
, one of the most famous record stores in the NW, still plugging along!

ah!

Cool store too!

104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:28:15pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

/musicgeekon

I saw a Kurzweil K2000 at my local used music store today, if it's still there in a couple weeks, I'ma gonna buy it *_*

Funny - I just looked at a way overpriced Motif rackmount. They said they would call me back with a better price but haven't, yet.

Just as well, since my frickin client flaked, grunt.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:30:02pm

re: #104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I feel you on clients flaking, I had some art clients get all squirrely, they still want to do a project, but "early december" has turned into "sometime after christmas" bleagjhgfgds

106 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:31:44pm

re: #105 WindUpBird

I feel you on clients flaking, I had some art clients get all squirrely, they still want to do a project, but "early december" has turned into "sometime after christmas" bleagjhgfgds

Yep, that exactly.

Although, I had one who was going to make a new purchase "around xmas" but it ended up being "around thanksgiving". Still owes me a spot for the install I know they are good for it probably next week or so.

Eh, it's a hustle.

107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:36:03pm

Zen X-MAs
Image: sBqPI.jpg

108 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:36:33pm

#98 really has upset me.

WTF?

How is this a good thing for any community?

109 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:41:22pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Zen X-MAs
Image: sBqPI.jpg

Buy Nothing Christmas has been an Adbusters campaign for at least 10 years now:

Image: floating+santa.jpg

110 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:41:58pm

re: #109 Alexzander

Buy Nothing Christmas has been an Adbusters campaign for at least 10 years now:

Image: floating+santa.jpg

Image: adbusters_santa.jpg

111 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:44:26pm

re: #110 Alexzander

We got to get over before we go under

112 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:46:37pm

Found a new (well old restaurant reopened) in our community today and had REAL Manicotti for the first time in a restaurant --not made by a Grandma-type person.

The only draw-back was the Christmas music (Italian Restaurant). Almost ruined the meal.

113 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:49:46pm

OT: Fauxnews.com has lead article about trouble in the GOP caucus. Possible revolt vs. Boehner for his capitulation today. Obama says pass the popcorn..

114 BishopX  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:51:30pm

re: #76 Rightwingconspirator

Sorry if its a little early for OT
SOPA
Google and all the ISP's hate it. RIAA and the studios act as if it's essential. The topic is suffused with outrage. Occupy has gotten all over it.

Has anyone seen a clear clean take on this?

Charles you might have a take on it as the Pages & SOPA liabilities could hit you close to home if I understood it right. Frankly I'm leaning against it but the core mission of protecting content has to be addressed.

But the hyperbole & outrage is just numbing.

SOPA is unconstitutional. It amounts to prior restraint of the press.

SOPA is also techincally unfeasible, since it would require the US to keep a seperate DNS lookup service from the rest of the world. This would require great firewall of china level filtering and censorship.

Basically it's a shit sandwich written by industry lobbyists.

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:52:26pm

re: #98 ggt

I feel as tho we have our own "Fundamentalist Imams" we are fighting against and no one seems to realize it.

WTF?

Well, no one but those of us who are the actual targets of those people. /

People have been making noise about this for the better part of 40 years.

116 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:53:39pm

re: #108 ggt

#98 really has upset me.

WTF?

How is this a good thing for any community?

I don't know how these guys figure the hate constituency is that large to cater to it. It isn't. They are just old and out of touch. I will enjoy the passing of time.

117 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:54:50pm
118 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:55:01pm

Archive.org doesn't work due to a Robots.txt message. But I'm sure you tried the same.

119 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:55:56pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

I don't know how these guys figure the hate constituency is that large to cater to it. It isn't. They are just old and out of touch. I will enjoy the passing of time.

I hope so.

There seem to be a lot of young haters out there.

120 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:57:05pm

re: #115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, no one but those of us who are the actual targets of those people. /

People have been making noise about this for the better part of 40 years.

I guess I haven't noticed the amount of proposed legislation (state and fed) before. Has it been this bad?

121 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 7:59:46pm

Charles, The Political Cesspool is a talk show in Memphis Tennessee. I'd really appreciate it if you corrected the article, Kentucky has been getting enough bad press lately.

122 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:01:36pm

re: #113 Petero1818

OT: Fauxnews.com has lead article about trouble in the GOP caucus. Possible revolt vs. Boehner for his capitulation today. Obama says pass the popcorn..

This whole escapade hasn't been entirely good for Obama for the simple reason that he didn't get all of the programs he desired passed in congress. He would have preferred a one year extension on the payroll tax cuts. I'm trying to figure out how it could be bad for Boenher to help push through a two month extension for these same payroll tax-cuts. My guess is that his constituency will be happy to see those continuing. In any case once congress reconvenes the president still had a lot of work cut out for him. Because along with the short two month tax cut extension came another short-term solution for extending unemployment benefits. Short of full cooperation Boehner did the right thing here however small the concession.

123 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:02:13pm

Not sure how much I'll be here from now til xmas.....

so here's an alt-country Christmas song.


Christmas In Paradise - Mary Gauthier

124 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:06:50pm

Another one of my stunning comments... Hey, where did everybody go? I already went out to have a couple of puffs and back.

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:07:41pm

re: #120 ggt

I guess I haven't noticed the amount of proposed legislation (state and fed) before. Has it been this bad?

Ask Ken.

126 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:09:16pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ask Ken.

I remember literally someone being shocked when he officially came out.

127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:09:27pm

re: #122 Gus 802

This whole escapade hasn't been entirely good for Obama for the simple reason that he didn't get all of the programs he desired passed in congress. He would have preferred a one year extension on the payroll tax cuts. I'm trying to figure out how it could be bad for Boenher to help push through a two month extension for these same payroll tax-cuts. My guess is that his constituency will be happy to see those continuing. In any case once congress reconvenes the president still had a lot of work cut out for him. Because along with the short two month tax cut extension came another short-term solution for extending unemployment benefits. Short of full cooperation Boehner did the right thing here however small the concession.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GOP race about the time the extension is up, again. Will make for a very interesting litmus test.

128 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:10:23pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Mehlman often wondered why gay voters never formed common cause with Republican opponents of Islamic jihad, which he called "the greatest anti-gay force in the world right now."

He seems not to have noticed the domestic variety.

129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:10:50pm

re: #126 wozzablog

I remember literally someone being shocked when he officially came out.

Lol I remember being shocked he wasn't already out.

That's not a snark, I really was surprised, since it was already common knowledge amongst The Queerz.

130 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:11:21pm

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GOP race about the time the extension is up, again. Will make for a very interesting litmus test.

The difference between flip flopping and not supporting these extensions out right on a national level is the difference between losing by 40 states or 45.

131 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:11:59pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Tagged WTF from Firedoglake...
Occupy LA: “Let’s OK Property Damage!”
Commenters seem to think this is the work of government moles sent to frame the movement as violent.

Killgore, you really shouldn't credit anything found on firedoglake without independent corroboration. It's a nutcase site whose posters are called "firebaggers" for a reason.

132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:12:40pm

re: #128 jaunte

He seems not to have noticed the domestic variety.

That, and the Islamic Jihad and Republican base have identical common cause against us.

I guess we're supposed to just skip over that part. lol

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:13:34pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Killgore, you really shouldn't credit anything found on firedoglake without independent corroboration. It's a nutcase site whose posters are called "firebaggers" for a reason.

Firebaggers, leftybaggers, emoprogs, tea party on the left, etc.

134 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:15:13pm

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GOP race about the time the extension is up, again. Will make for a very interesting litmus test.

Congress needs to stop playing inter-party blackmail by adding unrelated amendments. There's not reason to create massive legislation all the time for one. Or as in recent examples tying in Keystone XL to unrelated legislation. I would also consider adding the detention provision amendments to the NDAA another form of parliamentary blackmail. One bill, one issue.

Otherwise it will be litmus test for stupid. Any Republican that holds up a tax-cut extension is going to look bad even to their constituents.

135 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:15:22pm

re: #122 Gus 802

This whole escapade hasn't been entirely good for Obama for the simple reason that he didn't get all of the programs he desired passed in congress. He would have preferred a one year extension on the payroll tax cuts. I'm trying to figure out how it could be bad for Boenher to help push through a two month extension for these same payroll tax-cuts. My guess is that his constituency will be happy to see those continuing. In any case once congress reconvenes the president still had a lot of work cut out for him. Because along with the short two month tax cut extension came another short-term solution for extending unemployment benefits. Short of full cooperation Boehner did the right thing here however small the concession.

Its not that the tea partiers don't want the tax cut, it is that they put principle way above pragmatism. They aren't interested in any form of horse trading whatsoever. They are essentially like children. Their way or the highway. The GOP likes to present a united front, but the Democrats were successful in driving a wedge between them. The democrats would not give the tea partiers everything they demanded, so tea partiers were going to hold working people hostage. Boehner was smart enough to know that the GOP would get punished for it. Now the GOP will fight amongst themselves. And this will play out again in the next 60 days when they have to solve the problem again. In the end they will capitulate as they did this time. They can't afford not to.

136 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:17:36pm

Good evening, weirdos.

137 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:18:19pm

re: #135 Petero1818

Its not that the tea partiers don't want the tax cut, it is that they put principle way above pragmatism. They aren't interested in any form of horse trading whatsoever. They are essentially like children. Their way or the highway. The GOP likes to present a united front, but the Democrats were successful in driving a wedge between them. The democrats would not give the tea partiers everything they demanded, so tea partiers were going to hold working people hostage. Boehner was smart enough to know that the GOP would get punished for it. Now the GOP will fight amongst themselves. And this will play out again in the next 60 days when they have to solve the problem again. In the end they will capitulate as they did this time. They can't afford not to.

The children analogy is one I've used.
Boenher is the kid who wants a new pony everytime they do the simplest chore.

138 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:18:21pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ask Ken.

Thanks for that link.

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:18:39pm

re: #43 talon_262

At this point, we'll never know for sure whether Farley was talking out of his ass when he announced Paul as a Political Cesspool guest or if Paul was confirmed to appear, then got cold feet; it really doesn't matter anyway.

Actually we know that he was confirmed to appear, see #5.

140 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:19:04pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Good evening, weirdos.

Thank you sir may I have another!

Hey.

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:19:12pm

re: #113 Petero1818

OT: Fauxnews.com has lead article about trouble in the GOP caucus. Possible revolt vs. Boehner for his capitulation today. Obama says pass the popcorn..

The Tea Party has no one to blame for their defeat but themselves. They mounted a surprise opposition to the compromise, but did so in such a way as to leave much of the Republican party hostile and without a plan of action once Obama started laying the blame on them. They basically acted without thinking and were humiliated as a result.

142 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:19:51pm

re: #129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol I remember being shocked he wasn't already out.

That's not a snark, I really was surprised, since it was already common knowledge amongst The Queerz.

There seems to be a lot of that. People who won't look at themselves and accept who they are, when the rest of those who bother to look already know.

When my nephew came out, the only person who didn't know was his mother. He and the rest of us knew from the time he was about 8.

143 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:21:56pm

The religious zealots seem to see every issue as a zero-sum game. Our way or Sharia Law. Our way or financial destruction. Our way or socialism. Our way or we'll throw a tantrum and make your lives hell. . . .

144 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:22:22pm

They need to stop making bills like this:

The Unemployment Extension Act, Keystone XL Mitigation Act, Wage Tax-Cut Extension Act, Graphite Pencil Excise Tax-Reduction Act, Anti-Privacy Act of 2012.

145 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:23:40pm

re: #144 Gus 802

They need to stop making bills like this:

The Unemployment Extension Act, Keystone XL Mitigation Act, Wage Tax-Cut Extension Act, Graphite Pencil Excise Tax-Reduction Act, Anti-Privacy Act of 2012.

Competing bill;
No U Act of I Don't Give a Hoot.

146 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:23:51pm

re: #144 Gus 802

They need to stop making bills like this:

The Unemployment Extension Act, Keystone XL Mitigation Act, Wage Tax-Cut Extension Act, Graphite Pencil Excise Tax-Reduction Act, Anti-Privacy Act of 2012.

Probably should read:

The Unemployment Extension, Keystone XL Mitigation Act, Wage Tax-Cut Extension, Graphite Pencil Excise Tax-Reduction and Anti-Privacy Act of 2012

So if you vote no on this bill you hate pencils!

147 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:23:59pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

The Tea Party has no one to blame for their defeat but themselves. They mounted a surprise opposition to the compromise, but did so in such a way as to leave much of the Republican party hostile and without a plan of action once Obama started laying the blame on them. They basically acted without thinking and were humiliated as a result.

Bingo.

There is no world in which a paid for tax cut for two months is not an easy vote when the vast majority of your senate colleagues has already voted for it.

Boehner went out on a limb and everybody apart from Allan West and the kind started sawing away at the branch.

It was clear he may not be able to carry his caucus but there were enough GOP + Dems still in town until late in the day to pass it on a free vote. My hunch is he was protecting the GOPs who'd have voted against so as to save them come election time.

148 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:25:57pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

The Tea Party has no one to blame for their defeat but themselves. They mounted a surprise opposition to the compromise, but did so in such a way as to leave much of the Republican party hostile and without a plan of action once Obama started laying the blame on them. They basically acted without thinking and were humiliated as a result.

I don't think they are strategic at all. They are idealogues. They appeal to their base but are incapable of governing unless of course they controlled everything. If they have to compromise to govern they are lost. I don't think its acting without thinking, its that they have no ability to think of the consequences at all, nor any inclination to do so. Moreover, I don't think they feel defeated. I think they feel betrayed. They can hold their heads high because in their mind they are fulfilling their mandate. The trouble is they don't understand that as a representative you represent your district and not your personal ideology. This is a big distinction that is conceptually difficult for them to grasp.

149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:26:01pm

re: #142 ggt

There seems to be a lot of that. People who won't look at themselves and accept who they are, when the rest of those who bother to look already know.

When my nephew came out, the only person who didn't know was his mother. He and the rest of us knew from the time he was about 8.

Every person's journey with that is different. People presume all manner of stuff about others that isn't relevant, or true. I think this is particularly true for queeny straight men.

My BFF is probably even queerer than I am - she has to convince people of it because no one suspects, or believes her when she says so.

Sometimes it's not denial, sometimes it really is having no idea until one actually does have a same-sex attraction. With Ken? Who knows...only him and his no doubt well-paid therapist :D

150 Strangeite  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:27:23pm

AboveTopSecret is freaking out over this article.

151 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:27:44pm

Today was a good day for me, though. I got the sale I needed and got into the higher commission bracket I'd sought. It means an additional commission check in January and having met my sales targets. It also meant that my success in September was not a fluke and I really have improve my ability to do my job. So, small though they'll be, I'll have earned those things I give and receive this Christmas and I can go into my Christmas break with a sense of satisfaction in a job well done.

152 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:28:07pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Competing bill;
No U Act of I Don't Give a Hoot.

That didn't come out like the joke I thought it was.
Whoops.

153 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:28:42pm

re: #149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Every person's journey with that is different. People presume all manner of stuff about others that isn't relevant, or true. I think this is particularly true for queeny straight men.

My BFF is probably even queerer than I am - she has to convince people of it because no one suspects, or believes her when she says so.

Sometimes it's not denial, sometimes it really is having no idea until one actually does have a same-sex attraction. With Ken? Who knows...only him and his no doubt well-paid therapist :D

I think you still owe me a pic of a BFF dog --no?

154 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:29:05pm

re: #142 ggt

Forgot to add - there are people who are not-so-closeted, e.g. have affairs, show up at gay bars with same-sex dates, and such.

Happens all the time in the gay-hate GOP. All.the.time - ask me, I used to be one.

155 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:29:40pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Today was a good day for me, though. I got the sale I needed and got into the higher commission bracket I'd sought. It means an additional commission check in January and having met my sales targets. It also meant that my success in September was not a fluke and I really have improve my ability to do my job. So, small though they'll be, I'll have earned those things I give and receive this Christmas and I can go into my Christmas break with a sense of satisfaction in a job well done.

It's so satisfying when you realize you've accomplished something. Moving to the next level of sales is something few people ever do.

156 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:29:49pm

re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Firebaggers, leftybaggers, emoprogs, tea party on the left, etc.

Preechie, judgie. Some have been saying that Hitchens has "blood on his hands." Ergo, throw out the baby with the bath water because they speak of the Iraq War. Interesting because Hitchens had a rather large body of work. Also interesting because I know that some of my other heroes or admirable men could be seen as having blood on their hands: JFK, LBJ and even Eisenhower. According to this logic many of them should stop referring to Eisenhower's "military-industrial-complex" speech.

157 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:30:34pm

re: #153 ggt

I think you still owe me a pic of a BFF dog --no?

I do - I had a dumbphone fail last time I tried to upload. Likely, this w/e!

((((((((((BIG PUPPY))))))))))

158 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:31:12pm

Who am I kidding though. Many of these same people wanted to send a "department of peace" to Bosnia-Herzegovina.

159 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:32:05pm
160 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:32:26pm

re: #157 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I do - I had a dumbphone fail last time I tried to upload. Likely, this w/e!

(((BIG PUPPY)))

awww!

Brat Puppy get's to go hunting tomorrow. He and Hubby are sooo excited. They've been talking about it all week.

Well, Brat Puppy wags his tail, perks his ears and jumps up when hubby talks about it.

161 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:33:38pm

re: #155 ggt

It's so satisfying when you realize you've accomplished something. Moving to the next level of sales is something few people ever do.

Ugh. I could never do sales.

I'm one of lifes natural (professional) buyers. Tech services, phone, anything with a microchip inolved.

162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:33:42pm

re: #156 Gus 802

Preechie, judgie.

litmus-testy

Some have been saying that Hitchens has "blood on his hands." Ergo, throw out the baby with the bath water because they speak of the Iraq War. Interesting because Hitchens had a rather large body of work. Also interesting because I know that some of my other heroes or admirable men could be seen as having blood on their hands: JFK, LBJ and even Eisenhower. According to this logic many of them should stop referring to Eisenhower's "military-industrial-complex" speech.

I dumped Hitch myself when he went pro Iraq war, which I found to be an idiotic position. But it was surprising to me, because I already had been reading him for years.

To these others, they'll use any excuse to come up with reasons to exclude and excommunicate - I can't stand that crud. I tell folx ll the time, hey, I might as well go back to Fundagelical U. for that kind of behavior. I see little difference.

163 Alexzander  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:34:26pm

Rick Perry wishes everyone a Merry Christmas with his new campaign ad:

164 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:34:28pm

BTW, the next time someone tells you how vicious Pitt Bulls are, show them this picture.

There is a Pitt Puppy in my neighborhood that looks just like this dog and he is the biggest baby.

165 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:35:25pm

re: #147 wozzablog

Bingo.

There is no world in which a paid for tax cut for two months is not an easy vote when the vast majority of your senate colleagues has already voted for it.

Boehner went out on a limb and everybody apart from Allan West and the kind started sawing away at the branch.

It was clear he may not be able to carry his caucus but there were enough GOP + Dems still in town until late in the day to pass it on a free vote. My hunch is he was protecting the GOPs who'd have voted against so as to save them come election time.

That might have been part of it, but I think he was trying to avoid passing the extension with Democratic votes. Doing so would have made a challenge to his Speakership very likely and it would have gotten the Republicans who voted for the compromise in the House tagged as RINOs.

Under the scenario I just laid out, the Tea Party could have lost both the vote and respect from the rest of America but still have enhanced its position within the GOP by pushing for a "RINO Hunt!!1". As it actually happened, they still lost respect with the public, but the Tea Party also crucially lost respect within the Republican party. They set out to take a defiant stand, and ended up sitting silently as the bill they tried to block passed anyways. They look like losers, not rebels.

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:36:14pm

re: #158 Gus 802

Who am I kidding though. Many of these same people wanted to send a "department of peace" to Bosnia-Herzegovina.

rotfl

Tell the truth. /black church alternatives to "amen!"

167 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:36:50pm

re: #163 Alexzander

He's right about one thing. This election is not about Rick Perry.

168 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:37:01pm

re: #161 wozzablog

Ugh. I could never do sales.

I'm one of lifes natural (professional) buyers. Tech services, phone, anything with a microchip inolved.

The two aren't that much different. You have to have a buyers mind to know what features will get a prospect's attention.

169 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:40:21pm

re: #167 Petero1818

He's right about one thing. This election is not about Rick Perry.

And thank God for that!

170 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:40:41pm

re: #168 ggt

The two aren't that much different. You have to have a buyers mind to know what features will get a prospect's attention.

Stuff is over there. To buy, give money.

I iz great salez rep.

171 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:42:05pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

That might have been part of it, but I think he was trying to avoid passing the extension with Democratic votes. Doing so would have made a challenge to his Speakership very likely and it would have gotten the Republicans who voted for the compromise in the House tagged as RINOs.

Under the scenario I just laid out, the Tea Party could have lost both the vote and respect from the rest of America but still have enhanced its position within the GOP by pushing for a "RINO Hunt!!1". As it actually happened, they still lost respect with the public, but the Tea Party also crucially lost respect within the Republican party. They set out to take a defiant stand, and ended up sitting silently as the bill they tried to block passed anyways. They look like losers, not rebels.

They can not allow the causus to go any further right - there would be constant war with republicans in the senate. Replacing Boehner from the right is the death of those people.

It just goes to prove how irrational his caucus is - no sense of self preservation. If he had brought it to the vote and his members voted against those member would be out at the next general.

It's gone from governing, to politics and now it's just hard blooded ideology and partisanship. These GOP freshmen are more afraid of the 5% who could primary them than they are of the other 95% with pocket books as prime motivator.

172 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:43:18pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Stuff is over there. To buy, give money.

I iz great salez rep.

That's no fun. Sales is fun because you get to help people shop. I love shopping.

173 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:44:07pm

re: #172 ggt

That's no fun. Sales is fun because you get to help people shop. I love shopping.

I hate shopping.
If I go to a store, it's for a specific item(s).
:P

174 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:44:29pm
175 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:45:32pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

I hate shopping.
If I go to a store, it's for a specific item(s).
:P

women shop
men hunt
undead ???

176 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:45:52pm

re: #175 ggt

women shop
men hunt
undead ???

DESTROY!!!!!

177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:46:19pm

I like shopping for shoes and clothes.

And gear.

178 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:47:30pm

re: #174 jaunte

@somebadideas tweets: Welcome to hell

Pyongyang citizens given fish in memory of Kim Jong-il

why are the workers in the store wearing coats?

179 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:47:57pm

re: #178 ggt

There's probably no heat.

180 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:48:10pm

re: #162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

litmus-testy

I dumped Hitch myself when he went pro Iraq war, which I found to be an idiotic position. But it was surprising to me, because I already had been reading him for years.

To these others, they'll use any excuse to come up with reasons to exclude and excommunicate - I can't stand that crud. I tell folx ll the time, hey, I might as well go back to Fundagelical U. for that kind of behavior. I see little difference.

It's understandable on the Iraq War part. I wasn't far from Hitchens but to be precise I went from being perplexed with invading a country that had nothing directly to do with 9/11 and seeing what looked at the time obviously contrived intelligence. But off we went and by the time 2004 came around I was convinced that we had to finish the job to prevent civil war from braking out in Iraq. And of course there was a lot of nation building need by that point. So, I voted for Bush in 2004 to finish what he started.

Now I'm coming from a place where I was excited to vote for Jimmy Carter and proceeded to be rather depressed for the Reagan years. Carter of course "dabbled" in East Timor and that extended into Latin America which was further expanded by Reagan. So here I am then a once true believer of Carter who signed off on what was the eventual slaughter of many an East Timorese.

I know these two contractors. One is basically a Colorado (Christian) native country boy that love Palin and is somewhat conservative. The other is a secular Jew from New York. The former supported the Iraq War while the latter did not. They both work together often and they've turned out to be very good friends. Each caring about the other. And the calmest of the two is the conservative guy. Which can vary with different people regardless of their political identity. The good people.

181 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:48:15pm

re: #178 ggt

why are the workers in the store wearing coats?

No, or very little, power.

182 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:48:54pm

re: #174 jaunte

@somebadideas tweets: Welcome to hell

Pyongyang citizens given fish in memory of Kim Jong-il

Are the people outside Pyongyang receiving fish?

Do those people have such nice coats?

183 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:49:12pm

re: #168 ggt

The two aren't that much different. You have to have a buyers mind to know what features will get a prospect's attention.

I've been doing small business and home office buying on and off for a decade. I live to save people money and get them the best possible deal. The more money i save people the better I look.

The more a sales guy gets people to spend (when times are eternally tough) the more money he makes.

184 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:49:25pm

re: #172 ggt

That's no fun. Sales is fun because you get to help people shop. I love shopping.

The sales part of retail is fun. The "dealing with an irate customer who thinks that the service provider should replace his phone for free when he decided not to get the insurance and then decided to make a call in the rain" is much less fun. And I saw that exact scenario several times when I was in mobile phone sales.

185 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:49:44pm

re: #177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I like shopping for

gear.

where the party at?

186 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:49:57pm

re: #174 jaunte

@somebadideas tweets: Welcome to hell

Pyongyang citizens given fish in memory of Kim Jong-il

Kim Jong-ill dies and all I get is this lousy fish?!

//

187 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:50:24pm

re: #182 ggt

This is the official KCNA video for foreign consumption, so probably no.

188 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:50:51pm

re: #174 jaunte

@somebadideas tweets: Welcome to hell

Pyongyang citizens given fish in memory of Kim Jong-il

So, like, can I drop an orca or two???

189 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:52:38pm

re: #174 jaunte

@somebadideas tweets: Welcome to hell

Pyongyang citizens given fish in memory of Kim Jong-il

Seeing others line up for hours for a small amount of fish reminds me of just how lucky I really am.

190 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:53:26pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

And not having to cry for departed Leader to get your fish, that's a plus.

191 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:53:49pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Seeing others line up for hours for a small amount of fish reminds me of just how lucky I really am.

Those fish ain't exactly fresh either.
Though, in their case, I completely understand eating it.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:54:01pm

re: #142 ggt

There seems to be a lot of that. People who won't look at themselves and accept who they are, when the rest of those who bother to look already know.

When my nephew came out, the only person who didn't know was his mother. He and the rest of us knew from the time he was about 8.

Someone ran up to me once (for real), and said, "Ellen came out!"

"Ellen?"

"Ellen DeGeneres!"

"Ellen was in?"

193 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:54:13pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

The sales part of retail is fun. The "dealing with an irate customer who thinks that the service provider should replace his phone for free when he decided not to get the insurance and then decided to make a call in the rain" is much less fun. And I saw that exact scenario several times when I was in mobile phone sales.

So many sales & managers people handle those situations wrong too! I've seen more unhappy customers become irate over how they were treated than because of the actual problem.

Showing some empathy and agreeing with the customer that the situation sucks and it is a lot of money goes a long way to keeping a customer and making new sales.

194 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:55:07pm

re: #193 ggt

So many sales & managers people handle those situations wrong too! I've seen more unhappy customers become irate over how they were treated than because of the actual problem.

Showing some empathy and agreeing with the customer that the situation sucks and it is a lot of money goes a long way to keeping a customer and making new sales.

So...
I shouldn't tell them to bugger off?
/

195 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:55:18pm

re: #162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

litmus-testy

I dumped Hitch myself when he went pro Iraq war, which I found to be an idiotic position. But it was surprising to me, because I already had been reading him for years.

To these others, they'll use any excuse to come up with reasons to exclude and excommunicate - I can't stand that crud. I tell folx ll the time, hey, I might as well go back to Fundagelical U. for that kind of behavior. I see little difference.

But yes. It's a bit like North Korea.

196 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:56:05pm

[Link: www.google.com...]

This is on my daughter's wish list. She will be able to play her bass through her ipod.

197 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:56:15pm

The really weird part of that North Korean video is that someone thought it would be effective and positive propaganda, instead of the little slice of horror that it is.

198 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:56:53pm

re: #197 jaunte

The really weird part of that North Korean video is that someone thought it would be effective and positive propaganda, instead of the little slice of horror that it is.

People who have obviously never read George Orwell.

199 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:57:50pm

re: #180 Gus 802

To be fair though, Gus, Reagan's big moves in Latin America were:

1. Grenada, which was justified by the Soviet airfield being built and the endangered Americans. That action also worked and resulted in a freer and more prosperous island, a rare happy ending.

2. Nicaragua, a far more ambiguous situation. One marked by the 'bad op' that was Iran-Contra, but that was ultimately an attempt to disable a Communist regime engaged in exporting terrorism and insurgency.

200 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:58:31pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

To be fair though, Gus, Reagan's big moves in Latin America were:

1. Grenada, which was justified by the Soviet airfield being built and the endangered Americans. That action also worked and resulted in a freer and more prosperous island, a rare happy ending.

2. Nicaragua, a far more ambiguous situation. One marked by the 'bad op' that was Iran-Contra, but that was ultimately an attempt to disable a Communist regime engaged in exporting terrorism and insurgency.

I wasn't trying to be unfair.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 8:59:21pm

re: #158 Gus 802

Who am I kidding though. Many of these same people wanted to send a "department of peace" to Bosnia-Herzegovina.

There's folks who believe in peace. Then there's folks who believe that war only happens because you didn't clap hard enough for Tinkerbell.

202 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:02:49pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

There's folks who believe in peace. Then there's folks who believe that war only happens because you didn't clap hard enough for Tinkerbell.

Peace is not the absence of conflict.

There are those who would would submit to slavery in order to end war.

Then there are those who think compromise and coexistence with those they don't like is slavery.

Humans!

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:03:15pm

re: #174 jaunte

@somebadideas tweets: Welcome to hell

Pyongyang citizens given fish in memory of Kim Jong-il

Oh God.

That's hard to watch.

204 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:05:00pm

re: #202 ggt

Peace is not the absence of conflict.

There are those who would would submit to slavery in order to end war.

Then there are those who think compromise and coexistence with those they don't like is slavery.

Humans!

Ta-Nehisi Coates mentioned the human cost in having to fight the Civil War in his response to Greenwald. He did a great job too in that post. Short of a few people the comment thread was very engaging.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:05:16pm

re: #175 ggt

women shop
men hunt
undead ???

My theory is that men shop like hunters and women shop like gatherers.

206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:05:40pm

re: #180 Gus 802

So, I voted for Bush in 2004 to finish what he started.

Interesting.

So here I am then a once true believer of Carter who signed off on what was the eventual slaughter of many an East Timorese.

Oh, I can relate. It's nowhere on the level of Carter/East Timor, but I voted for Clinton really believing he could live up to promises like ending discrimination against gays in the military, specifically. And we know how that ended up -- didn't happen until a couple months ago.

Like O, Clinton only has so much power, anyway. It's why we're supposed to have checks and balances and such. Good luck reminding the anybody-but-bush/primary-obamas whose collective historical memory seems on the same level as a gnat.

I suppose things like this are why I have ZERO patience for the primary obamas claiming he doesn't deserve a second term!!!@1, when they have no names capable of putting up a winning challenge.

Heh, scratch that...they have NO NAMES AT ALL.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:06:07pm

re: #178 ggt

why are the workers in the store wearing coats?

It's December. It's probably colder than hell in Pyongyang.

And they probably have to go in and out of freezers.

208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:06:25pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Grenada and Nicaragua were not justified by any stretch. Only in paranoiac rwnj land, still longing for the cold war.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:06:32pm

re: #182 ggt

Are the people outside Pyongyang receiving fish?

Do those people have such nice coats?

No.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:08:46pm

re: #186 Gus 802

Kim Jong-ill dies and all I get is this lousy fish?!

//

Protein is protein.

Their eyes. Their faces.

Anna Akhmatova wrote:

“During the terrible years of the Yekhov terror I spent seventeen months in the prison queues in Leningrad. One day someone ‘identified’ me. Then a woman with lips blue with cold who was standing behind me, and of course had never heard of my name, came out of the numbness which affected us all and whispered in my ear—(we all spoke in whispers there):
‘Could you describe this?’
I said, ‘I can!’
Then something resembling a smile slipped over what had once been her face.”

211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:09:02pm

re: #193 ggt

So many sales & managers people handle those situations wrong too! I've seen more unhappy customers become irate over how they were treated than because of the actual problem.

Showing some empathy and agreeing with the customer that the situation sucks and it is a lot of money goes a long way to keeping a customer and making new sales.

Sometimes, but sadly there were times when I was boxed in by company policy (and more often than not the policy was correct) and had no choice but to tell the customer 'no, you have to buy a new phone at full price. And sometimes they bought the phone at full price. I got no comission from such sales, but when the customer was later called about the customer service quality of my work, then too often gave a less-than-perfect review that I was then blamed for.

I am so glad to be out of retail.

212 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:10:43pm

re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Interesting.

Oh, I can relate. It's nowhere on the level of Carter/East Timor, but I voted for Clinton really believing he could live up to promises like ending discrimination against gays in the military, specifically. And we know how that ended up -- didn't happen until a couple months ago.

Like O, Clinton only has so much power, anyway. It's why we're supposed to have checks and balances and such. Good luck reminding the anybody-but-bush/primary-obamas whose collective historical memory seems on the same level as a gnat.

I suppose things like this are why I have ZERO patience for the primary obamas claiming he doesn't deserve a second term!!!@1, when they have no names capable of putting up a winning challenge.

Heh, scratch that...they have NO NAMES AT ALL.

I thought Clinton was sent from heaven. I went into the local campaign office and shook hands with the manager there and gave him a $50 check. I was so happy to see Reagan gone and this new dynamic and seemingly progressive candidate. Then we go Tipper Gore. Al Gore and his stalling and terribly leadership on the Kyoto Treaty. I didn't pay much attention to DADT but when he signed off on DOMA. That was a huge letdown. And then there was Monica Lewinsky and the great impeachment detraction. The heckling from the pro-lifers. WACO and Ruby Ridge are there but not so much. Second term came around and I decided to stay home. I didn't care anymore. Clinton wore me out.

213 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:15:23pm

re: #208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Grenada and Nicaragua were not justified by any stretch. Only in paranoiac rwnj land, still longing for the cold war.

Then how do you answer the fact that in the minutes of the Granadian Politburo, the Communists ruling the island noted "Airstrip will be used for Cuban and Soviet military"? The threat of Soviet bombers based near the US was a valid fear, given the situation back in the first part of the 1980's.

And what would you have done about a Sandanista regime that was supporting insurgencies in neighboring countries, acting as a conduit for Soviet AKMs and RPGs?

214 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:21:30pm

From the Rice Thresher and burndownblog:

I already wrote about crazy racist things that Ron Paul allowed to be published under his name

Celebrating Martin Luther King Day with Ron Paul!

215 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:21:59pm

NunSexMonkRock

216 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:23:55pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

Darting, lowered eyes. Very strange body language to watch with sound off. Dirty coats. The fish looks awful.

217 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:28:54pm

Have my brother, the mixmaster bartender, over tonight making up gooey drinks while I croon with the acoustic.

218 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:35:34pm
219 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:37:34pm

re: #178 ggt

why are the workers in the store wearing coats?

Most buildings are unheated or substantially underheated. I remember when I used to work a lot in Beijing in the winter and in the northern provinces in China, I would wear ski socks and long underwear under my suit. Even offices were freezing. They would heat only insofar as was necessary to keep pipes from bursting. North Korea would be worse I am sure.

220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:40:20pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Then how do you answer the fact that in the minutes of the Granadian Politburo, the Communists ruling the island noted "Airstrip will be used for Cuban and Soviet military"? The threat of Soviet bombers based near the US was a valid fear, given the situation back in the first part of the 1980's.

And what would you have done about a Sandanista regime that was supporting insurgencies in neighboring countries, acting as a conduit for Soviet AKMs and RPGs?

Lol I don't care about your desire to revive the cold war, if that's what you're asking. I would have said "relive", but you were what, 0 years old in the 80s?

I went to school with missionary kids from Honduras and Nicaragua at Fundagelical U. -- at the time.

Their stories aren't so glamorous as you apparently think the cold war was -- they were traumatized people, and they were only tagging along with our military, like so many Christian missionaries do, not the actual targets of conservative prolife war profiteers, slap-happy to drop as many bombs on as many nonwhites as possible.

Doesn't matter what region of the world they're to be found in -- do like they do here and bring up the scary boogie man of "the commies" and let the cash and the bubbly at the contract-signing party flow.

221 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:40:36pm

re: #215 Gus 802

NunSexMonkRock

Future is now.

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:43:23pm

re: #212 Gus 802

I thought Clinton was sent from heaven. I went into the local campaign office and shook hands with the manager there and gave him a $50 check. I was so happy to see Reagan gone and this new dynamic and seemingly progressive candidate. Then we go Tipper Gore. Al Gore and his stalling and terribly leadership on the Kyoto Treaty. I didn't pay much attention to DADT but when he signed off on DOMA. That was a huge letdown. And then there was Monica Lewinsky and the great impeachment detraction. The heckling from the pro-lifers. WACO and Ruby Ridge are there but not so much. Second term came around and I decided to stay home. I didn't care anymore. Clinton wore me out.

Eh, he was alright. Not the best, not the worst. I never understood the Clinton cult, though I had to deal with them again in the form of the idiot PUMAs, who are STILL seething to this day about the DNC 08 lol

How many of these dumb liberal bigots have I had to deal with in life, cripes.

lmao

223 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:44:42pm

The Chieftans ~ Wren in the Furz:

224 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:44:49pm

re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Eh, he was alright. Not the best, not the worst. I never understood the Clinton cult, though I had to deal with them again in the form of the idiot PUMAs, who are STILL seething to this day about the DNC 08 lol

How many of these dumb liberal bigots have I had to deal with in life, cripes.

[Video]lmao

LOL I remember her.

225 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:47:33pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Ta-Nehisi Coates mentioned the human cost in having to fight the Civil War in his response to Greenwald. He did a great job too in that post. Short of a few people the comment thread was very engaging.

Help me out here. I have no idea to what you are referencing.

:0

226 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:48:40pm

re: #225 ggt

Help me out here. I have no idea to what you are referencing.

:0

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

227 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:53:19pm

re: #226 Gus 802

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

printed for future reading.

My mind has been so distracted with other stuff --I can't seem to absorb too much right now.

228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 9:55:18pm

re: #226 Gus 802

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

"Given Hitchens own ties to this magazine, of which I'm very fond, I'd like to say that--at least in this space--there's no demand for exclusion, or any sense that Hitchens worthy of unalloyed admiration. No one should ever receive, or wisely desire, such a thing. I can't really speak for other people, but I don't believe in an essential, irreducible moral nature. I don't see Hitchens, or anyone else, as a case of either/or. "

Wow, nicely put.

Greenwald is King of the Leftybaggers, anyway. Pompous libbercon prick.

229 jaunte  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:00:33pm

re: #228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I heard he was an important best-selling author.
Image: Grin_Redwood.jpg

230 Gus  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:08:57pm

My theory is that if one is going to be an atheist or not believe in a god then that extends to not pretending to be a god. I'm not going to sit around and spend my life thinking about "the worst man in the universe" like some people do.

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:23:52pm

re: #230 Gus 802

My theory is that if one is going to be an atheist or not believe in a god then that extends to not pretending to be a god. I'm not going to sit around and spend my life thinking about "the worst man in the universe" like some people do.

Oh i know.

Ppl ask me what I "am" and I tell them: at this point I'm an i-don't-give-a-shyt-ist.

232 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 23, 2011 10:36:28pm

re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Typical. I asked a pair of questions, and you responded with a string of hostile invective that had nothing to do with the questions. Earlier, there talk here of ideologues, and I think that you are this blog's ideologue.

233 ripuree  Sat, Dec 24, 2011 6:39:19am

I don't know if Ron Paul truly believed the racist remarks attributed to him. I have seen enough evidence of him speaking in his own voice that clearly states that he is not that kind of person. So at this moment I will continue to accept him at his current words.

The thing that people are forgetting is that NO ONE could've escaped some degree of anti-black programming that this White Supremacist-Racist world system imposed on everyone. Every black person on earth for the past 300 years especially, has been born to a world where our dictionaries say that black is: EVIL, WICKED, WITHOUT MORALS, WORTHY OF CONDEMNATION, while Christianity equates SIN to the color BLACK. The Bible and Western education set the stage for the racism that persists in the world.

Thankfully today, many blacks are returning to accepting and loving ourselves as full humans, and not the "three fifth" that our precious Constitutional documents suggests. In the 1960 it is documented that it was the U.S. Government that invited and subsidized Koreans to come into black communities and take over the Black Hair Care Industry. The DVD Korean Take Over Of Black Hair Industry documents this, yet blacks women still mindlessly turn over billions to make first generation Asians and Arabs wealthy, while our kind are warehoused in the Prison Industrial Complex. In that case, we willingly choose to empower the wrong our Government impose on us with the aid of immigrants.

Such covert anti-black maneuvers have been imposed on black people by our Government for much longer than they have not. So the biggest problem that I find as a black woman, is not that individual white or black have expressed the National Racism that has been imbued in our collective consciousness. The real problem is that books like Dictionaries still teach black and white children that black is evil, and white is good. Biology and Science textbooks (responsible for Black inferior concepts) have yet to Officially and Universally debunk much of the racist science that whites used to justify their evil on blacks worldwide.

234 ripuree  Sat, Dec 24, 2011 6:39:44am

A week after 9-11, I heard the very religious Chuck Norris in an interview on CNN (I believe) being interviewed by a black Journalist. He stated these words which I've yet to hear him explain. Yet, as I said, his words are the official sentiments of our society. He said "make no doubt about it, Evil is Black and Good is White". It seems to me therefore, that black people would be better off attacking that current "WORLD VIEW". Those sentiments were immortalized at a time when Whites were doing the Greatest of Evils to Negro/Black/Africans, yet they memorialize (for blacks) what described themselves more, and attached to themselves, what should've been attached to blacks. It's therefore insane, to, on the one hand accept such lopsided sentiments as official and universal, then crucify some people for speaking in accordance to those official views.

Consequently, at present I am going to continue believing that Mr. Paul was just careless to not have reviewed Newsletters that went out in his name, and that he does not personally endorse those sentiments. I can even believe that at one time he believed and practiced the racism that is imbedded in our: language, history, religions and everything in Western Society and indeed the world. Much thought, money and time went into painting everything to fit White Superior and Black/Negro Inferior, and it has paid off very well. Dictionaries and Bibles still profit from annual editions espousing such far-reaching racist nonsense; that too many black people are still allowing to inform the impressionable minds of our children in schools and Churches everyday.

Over the years I have had to let go of so much of the racist nonsense that society taught me about my race, and which I once fully accepted as God's Truth. And every black person that I know have had to do same. So that is my take on this Ron Paul mess. People like the Governor who just called the First Lady's butt big, are the problematic racists I would focus on more.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 24, 2011 7:06:09am

re: #234 ripuree

Horse hockey pucks. He knew it and wrote it. Now it's politically expedient to pretend otherwise, but Laup Nor is the same as he ever was: a crazy racist goldbug.

236 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Dec 24, 2011 10:02:18am

Charles Johnson,

This and those racist letters he wrote, and to think that up until recently, I didn't think that Ron Paul was a bigot.


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