Rick Perry Joins the Heartless Anti-Choice Fanatics

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It’s horrifying to hear almost all the GOP presidential candidates proudly saying that victims of rape or incest should be forced to give birth to an attacker’s child. There’s nothing that makes the utter heartlessness of this fanatical agenda more evident, and now Rick Perry (who previously supported rape/incest exceptions) has announced that he’s a monster like the rest of them: Perry changes stance to oppose all abortions.

(CNN) - Texas Gov. Rick Perry revealed a hardening in his stance on abortion Tuesday, telling a crowd in Iowa that he opposed abortions in all cases, including when a woman had been raped or the victim of incest.

Previously, Perry had not opposed the procedure in cases of rape or incest, or when the mother’s life was threatened.

Responding to a question about the change in position, Perry said, “You’re seeing a transformation.”

Perry told the crowd at his campaign stop that the decision came after watching a documentary on abortion produced by former Arkansas governor and 2008 presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.

“That transformation was after watching the DVD, ‘The Gift of Life,’” Perry said. “And I really started giving some thought about the issue of rape and incest. And some powerful, some powerful stories in that DVD.”

Perry said a woman who appeared in the movie who said she was a product of rape moved him to change his mind about abortion.

“She said, ‘My life has worth.’ It was a powerful moment for me,” Perry said.

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Targetpractice Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:31:01am

Nothing quite like watching a political party self-destruct. Kinda like watching a slow-motion train wreck: You’re horrified by the carnage, but you can’t bring yourself to look away.

lawhawk Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:40:03am

The GOP’s already extremist position becomes even more extreme as more and more candidates jump on this bandwagon of bad jobu.

They think they’re going to win votes this way. Some of the candidates may actually believe that forcing women to give birth to children born of rape or incest is justifiable.

It’s still madness either way.

Legal. Safe. Rare. That’s the only way to go, and pushing restriction after restriction - and the insane personhood begins at conception crowd will effectively push women into making even more bad choices (against the no-choice crowd, which seems to think that abortion will disappear if they manage to overturn Roe, force out abortion providers, and eliminate what paltry funding is available). By bad choices, I mean turning to the likes of Gosnell, back room abortions, and the horrifying results of families torn asunder from having to deal with the consequences of these events.

Then, there’s all those women who would suffer poor medical consequences as a result of doctors not receiving training in how to carry out procedures necessary to save the lives of women suffering from any number of problems during pregnancy.

Big Steve Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:44:09am

Don’t worry…..next debate Governor Perry will forget what he was so against.

Tumulus11 Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:44:35am

‘It’s horrifying to hear almost all the GOP presidential candidates proudly saying that victims of rape or incest should be forced to give birth to an attacker’s child.’

. Well as long as they’re married, it should be alright. ///

‘The Afghan President Hamid Karzai has ordered the release of a woman who was jailed for adultery after being raped - but she now faces having to marry her attacker.’
// theage.com.au Dec. 02, 2011

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:45:57am

Any bet on how soon there is outcry about pregnant women smuggling fetuses over to Canada/Mexico in order to abort them?
/

darthstar Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:47:04am

Rick Perry needs to go back to Texas and pray for more rain…stupid fucker.

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:48:58am

Interesting. The ad LGF is showing me right now is in Portugese* and appears to be advertising corsets. O_o

*- I’m actually not that surprised since my internet access from here reaches the outside world from San Paolo.

chunkymonkey Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:51:19am

Perry is off his nut.

NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:52:39am

re: #7 oaktree

Interesting. The ad LGF is showing me right now is in Portugese* and appears to be advertising corsets. O_o

*- I’m actually not that surprised since my internet access from here reaches the outside world from San Paolo.

Mine is Free Shipping at Northern Tool & Equipment.

Targetpractice Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:52:46am

re: #8 chunkymonkey

Perry is off his nut.

Nah, he’s just absolutely desperate. Especially in light of failing to get on the Virginia ballot, which puts him at an automatic 100 delegate disadvantage against Paul and Romney.

dragonfire1981 Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:53:06am

I am a Christian, but I have a hard time with how any loving God would want a woman to have no choice but to bear an attackers child. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

wrenchwench Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:53:49am

The only way to grant personhood to a fertilized egg is to deprive the woman carrying it of her personhood.

Kragar Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:54:47am

So if a woman gets raped, she can look forward to being forced to carry an unwanted child to term, then getting stuck with no assistance in raising it from the government that forced her to carry it and all she has to do is vote Republican?

What a deal.

dragonfire1981 Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:55:14am

OT but Charles, I am having an issue with the site when I view it on my Android phone. If I touch anywhere on the right hand side of the site that’s not a direct link, I trigger a click through to Amazon.

kirkspencer Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:55:44am

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nothing quite like watching a political party self-destruct. Kinda like watching a slow-motion train wreck: You’re horrified by the carnage, but you can’t bring yourself to look away.

but is it self-destructing? Yes, i think it is, but I’ve also read history. If I may be exempt from godwin for a moment, take time to read what Germans were saying about the Nazi Party before they took over.

It bothers me how many times it’s obvious in retrospect that people knew “these” were Bad Men, yet the Bad Men came to power anyway.

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:57:39am

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

Mine is Free Shipping at Northern Tool & Equipment.

We have to make sure the streams don’t cross.

Targetpractice Wed, Dec 28, 2011 10:59:20am

re: #15 kirkspencer

but is it self-destructing? Yes, i think it is, but I’ve also read history. If I may be exempt from godwin for a moment, take time to read what Germans were saying about the Nazi Party before they took over.

It bothers me how many times it’s obvious in retrospect that people knew “these” were Bad Men, yet the Bad Men came to power anyway.

So often, “Bad Men” come to power because the people are so desperate for an answer, any answer, to a national crisis that they will accept the smooth, easy one that comes from blaming others for the crisis and promising prosperity and wealth in exchange for obedience.

kirkspencer Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:01:35am

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So often, “Bad Men” come to power because the people are so desperate for an answer, any answer, to a national crisis that they will accept the smooth, easy one that comes from blaming others for the crisis and promising prosperity and wealth in exchange for obedience.

This, coupled with honest doubt on the part of others as to whether the Bad Men are /really/ that bad - and besides, they might be the ones who are wrong…

There is a strength in those who do not doubt.

allegro Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:04:44am

re: #2 lawhawk

Legal. Safe. Rare.

I despise this little platitude to… whatever. Legal and safe, absolutely. Rare? What does that even mean? Tell me: Safe. Legal. None of anyone else’s fucking business. Numbers have no meaning here, only women’s lives and ability to control their reproductive choices.

Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:05:36am

re: #14 dragonfire1981

First off. Morning Lizards.

I have the same problem with my Vizio Tablet. Running Android 2.3.2 GRH78C.

freetoken Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:06:19am

re: #2 lawhawk

This particular variation of this issue (abortion) is geared totally towards emotional response and not reason.

For example, the video subject which Perry references, from the Huckabee DVD, says:

Perry said a woman who appeared in the movie who said she was a product of rape moved him to change his mind about abortion.

“She said, ‘My life has worth.’ It was a powerful moment for me,” Perry said.

I agree (and I assume most others do too) that her life has worth. That is not the question. The question is: Why does her (or anyone’s) life has worth?

The answer to that is not because she (or you or I) had been an ovum at one time.

The answer to that is not because she (or you or I) had been an zygote at one time.

The answer to that is even not because she (or you or I) had been an embryo at one time.

To assert otherwise is to ignore that human females shed ova and even fertilized ova all the time.

I am not comfortable with abortion after the fetus has developed the ability to feel and react - say in the last trimester. But one cannot ignore the profound changes that happen before then, when as a collection of cells the organism at best can be called potentially human.

It is fallacious for anyone (including the woman in that video) to think of themselves as “themselves” outside of the cumulative experiences and developments that have happened over time.

IOW, being a person is more than simply being a collection of 3 billion base pairs of nitrogen containing molecules. And all a fertilized egg or zygote are is a bag of (two sets of) 3 billion base pairs strung along as DNA.

The reason the woman referenced by Perry has “worth” is because she was born, and is living.

Cankles McCellulite Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:07:19am

I don’t think a lot of these people realize that this only hurts some middle class and all lower class girls. As usual the privileged will be able to pay to fly somewhere where it is safe and legal.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:07:25am

For every “heartwarming or jubilant” rape/incest birth story there are a plethora of terrible/awful rape/incest birth stories.

Kind of like working your way out of generational poverty. It does happen;
but, statistically? It doesn’t happen enough to count for anything but an anecdote.

Cankles McCellulite Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:09:08am

I guess if you want the same abortion privileges as the wealthy after being raped you better get off your lazy no good ass and get wealthy!11!!
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:09:50am

re: #19 allegro

I despise this little platitude to… whatever. Legal and safe, absolutely. Rare? What does that even mean? Tell me: Safe. Legal. None of anyone else’s fucking business. Numbers have no meaning here, only women’s lives and ability to control their reproductive choices.

My take is that “rare” refers to hopefully having a society and culture where the populace is educated and enlightened enough to have few or no unwanted pregnancies. Therefore, while legal (and safe and readily available), abortion will be rarely needed or desired as an option.

kirkspencer Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:11:01am

re: #22 Cankles McCellulite

I don’t think a lot of these people realize that this only hurts some middle class and all lower class girls. As usual the privileged will be able to pay to fly somewhere where it is safe and legal.

Standard “jokes” while I was growing up (born in 1960, about 13 years before Roe v Wade) included: If _I_ had an appendectomy every time I went to Europe, I’d quit going to Europe.

If you’re old enough there’s a subliminal message every time you see a metal coat hanger.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:11:07am

Also, doncha know, the embryo may turn out to be a Beethoven! //

NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:13:12am

Chinese Internet Retailers Now Stocking Kim Jong-Il T-shirts & Hoodies

North Korea’s “Dear Leader” may be gone but online retailers at China’s Taobao Internet Mall are making sure he’s not forgotten by flogging Kim Jong-Il t-shirts and hoodies. The 100% cotton shirts’ design frames a youngish Kim Jong-Il’s portrait in mid-salute, framed by KIM JONG IL (no hyphen) and WORLD HERO in open block letters. Smaller text above the name reads “DEAR LEADER”, “COMRADE” and “GENERALISSIMO”.

The last term reminds one of the mid-1970s SNL Weekend Update skit in which news anchor Chevy Chase reminds viewers that “Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!”

Ironically, the DPRK’s Dear Leader (perhaps that should be “Dearly Departed Leader”) is now more popular than ever thanks to international media reports on his passing and as is usually the case, China’s legion of entrepreneur merchandisers have seized the opportunity to make a few bucks while Kim Jr.’s carcass is still warm. It’s also ironic that these t-shirts and hoodies can’t be purchased by Kim Jong-Il’s biggest fans: North Koreans. No Internet access, credit cards or hard currency can really cramp one’s purchasing power, hmm?

Targetpractice Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:16:48am

Seriously, is there no far-right lunacy to which these “candidates” will not sink? I thought promoting child labor was the deepest depth, but apparently we haven’t struck rock bottom yet. At this point, I won’t be surprised if one of them stands up and declares that Alabama should conscript all the folks on unemployment to work in the tomato fields now that the state’s run off all its migrant workers.

Bulworth Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:19:40am

Great: a would-be-leader easily moved by watching a movie. Does Perry think Oswald acted alone? Quick, arrange a viewing of Oliver Stone’s JFK for him. Does Perry think we should have gone to war in Vietnam? Can someone arrange a viewing of Apocalypse Now for the Texas governor?

allegro Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:20:37am

re: #25 oaktree

My take is that “rare” refers to hopefully having a society and culture where the populace is educated and enlightened enough to have few or no unwanted pregnancies. Therefore, while legal (and safe and readily available), abortion will be rarely needed or desired as an option.

I get that. But those are issues that aren’t discussed in the abortion topic. The “safe, legal, rare” meme is just that, an empty, worthless meme that is intended to make pro-choice people look like there’s a willingness to compromise on an issue in which there is no compromise possible. A real discussion on women being well educated with the ability to be in 100% control of her sexuality is not one I see happening.

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:21:26am

re: #30 Bulworth

Great: a would-be-leader easily moved by watching a movie. Does Perry think Oswald acted alone? Quick, arrange a viewing of Oliver Stone’s JFK for him. Does Perry think we should have gone to war in Vietnam? Can someone arrange a viewing of Apocalypse Now for the Texas governor?

Show him _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ so that he will want to tear up all the L.A. freeways for oppressing the ‘toons?
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chunkymonkey Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:24:40am

re: #31 allegro

I get that. But those are issues that aren’t discussed in the abortion topic. The “safe, legal, rare” meme is just that, an empty, worthless meme that is intended to make pro-choice people look like there’s a willingness to compromise on an issue in which there is no compromise possible. A real discussion on women being well educated with the ability to be in 100% control of her sexuality is not one I see happening.

“100% in control of her sexuality?” What’s that mean exactly? Are abortions up to the due date acceptable? If not, then are women 100% in control of their sexuality?

wrenchwench Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:24:59am

Idaho teen loses cancer fight [12 days] after delivering son

[…]

From the start of treatment, she was told that she might never have children, her mother said, that the radiation and chemotherapy could essentially make her sterile.

“We were told that she couldn’t get pregnant, so we didn’t worry about it,” said Nathan, 19.

Jenni, the third of her parents’ eight children, had always wanted to be a mom. She had already determined to keep the baby when she went to see her oncologist, Dr. David Ririe, in Pocatello two days after she found out she was pregnant.

“He told us that if she’s pregnant, she can’t continue the treatments,” Phillips said. “So she would either have to terminate the pregnancy and continue the treatments, or stop the treatments, knowing that it could continue to grow again.”

[…]

It’s one thing to choose to give birth and then die, instead of having an abortion and then probably continuing to live. It would be quite another thing to not have the choice, which would be the case if “personhood for zygotes” were the law.

Also, I wonder why this girl had such poor information on which to base her choice.

allegro Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:32:05am

re: #33 chunkymonkey

“100% in control of her sexuality?” What’s that mean exactly? Are abortions up to the due date acceptable? If not, then are women 100% in control of their sexuality?

Strawman. Late term abortions don’t happen unless a woman’s life is threatened by continuing the pregnancy or, much more often, there is a terrible problem with the fetus that will preclude survival in any case.

Eventual Carrion Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:34:01am

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Also, doncha know, the embryo may turn out to be a Beethoven! //

Yep, or Jeffery Dahmer. You just never know.

sagehen Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:38:11am

re: #31 allegro

I get that. But those are issues that aren’t discussed in the abortion topic. The “safe, legal, rare” meme is just that, an empty, worthless meme that is intended to make pro-choice people look like there’s a willingness to compromise on an issue in which there is no compromise possible. A real discussion on women being well educated with the ability to be in 100% control of her sexuality is not one I see happening.

We’re willing to push thorough, accurate sex education on kids too young to need it yet, so they have plenty of time to digest the information and it’s not a sudden last minute thought when they reach that age. We want contraceptives to be easily accessible, and affordable. We want high-quality prenatal, obstetrics and neonatal care made available to women with no money. We want early childhood daycare, and expanded S-Chip.

That will make abortion rare.

(western Europe has less than half the abortion rate we do; and less than 1/3 the teen pregnancy rate we do. That’s definitely not because they’re having less sex.)

Eclectic Infidel Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:39:35am

The barbarians have broken through the gate, and are now in the limelight.

allegro Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:46:13am

re: #37 sagehen

We’re willing to push thorough, accurate sex education on kids too young to need it yet, so they have plenty of time to digest the information and it’s not a sudden last minute thought when they reach that age. We want contraceptives to be easily accessible, and affordable. We want high-quality prenatal, obstetrics and neonatal care made available to women with no money. We want early childhood daycare, and expanded S-Chip.

That will make abortion rare.

(western Europe has less than half the abortion rate we do; and less than 1/3 the teen pregnancy rate we do. That’s definitely not because they’re having less sex.)

Those things very likely would reduce the numbers of abortions. They are all fine programs that are absolutely needed and I support those efforts with certainty of their value.

But that isn’t the point. It doesn’t matter how common or rare abortion is. What matters is that it is legal, available, and affordable to women who need it for whatever reasons that are theirs to make. Education and contraception is essential. Unwanted pregnancies still happen. Medical and financial support for women is great. That doesn’t mean they want to be mothers at that point in time.

Romantic Heretic Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:47:29am

Sigh. Gov. Perry has made it clear yet again that in his mind any one other than good, ‘Christian’ males are of no consequence to him.

aagcobb Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:50:36am

The GOP would benefit enormously from moving the NH primary ahead of the Iowa Caucus. In NH, they’d be talking about economic issues, instead of spending the last few months pandering to a few thousand Iowa religious fanatics.

Romantic Heretic Wed, Dec 28, 2011 11:56:18am

re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seriously, is there no far-right lunacy to which these “candidates” will not sink? I thought promoting child labor was the deepest depth, but apparently we haven’t struck rock bottom yet. At this point, I won’t be surprised if one of them stands up and declares that Alabama should conscript all the folks on unemployment to work in the tomato fields now that the state’s run off all its migrant workers.

Shhhh! Don’t give ‘em any ideas!

kirkspencer Wed, Dec 28, 2011 12:00:36pm

re: #41 aagcobb

The GOP would benefit enormously from moving the NH primary ahead of the Iowa Caucus. In NH, they’d be talking about economic issues, instead of spending the last few months pandering to a few thousand Iowa religious fanatics.

One of the ironies about Iowa I’ve always enjoyed is that the caucuses don’t pick the delegates.

The caucuses pick attendees at successively higher caucuses, with the state caucus at which the actual delegates are elected occurring much later in the year.

Mattand Wed, Dec 28, 2011 2:08:03pm

re: #37 sagehen

(western Europe has less than half the abortion rate we do; and less than 1/3 the teen pregnancy rate we do. That’s definitely not because they’re having less sex.)

They’re also not obsessed with religion the way we are. I also get the impression that the ratio of normal people to religious folk who think the Bible says anything about abortion is waaaaaaay lower.

labman57 Wed, Dec 28, 2011 2:23:44pm

Here we go again, as the Republican contenders for the GOP nomination attempt to out-wingnut each other, oblivious to the realization that their untenable views may win them the nomination battle, but will most certainly cost them the general election war.

The tea party has been playing the role of the Pied Piper, leading the GOP and its brown-nosing candidates for POTUS out of the land of “political viability”, toward the precipice of self-serving sanctimony and extreme dogmatism.

John Vreeland Thu, Dec 29, 2011 5:25:02am

If you believe that a zygote is sacred (and I can barely manage to read that with a straight face) then it does not matter whether or not that zygote is a product of rape or incest. Are children of rape less deserving of life than others? What really horrifies me is that people would compromise on this, as if we could categorize children into those deserving of our protection and those whose lives were optional.

A zygote is either sacred or it isn’t, you cannot segregate them into deserving and undeserving.

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