Wingnuts In a Lather After Wordpress.com Takes Down Anti-Muslim Blog

Kudos to Wordpress: free speech stops when you are making specific terror threats
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Jim “Dim” Hoft and company are upset that “Bare Naked Islam” has been taken down after a CAIR complaint and FBI investigation. (Note: I’m not a big fan of CAIR as they also have a history of hyper-sensitivity, some bad associations, and in the past they sent the FBI after Charles. The Muslim community can find better representatives.)

After seeing the news story I’m going to say “kudos” to Wordpress. They can’t be forced to host blogs that make specific terrorist threats against houses of worship.

Our nation was formed in part to create a country where religion could be practiced freely; threats against Mosques aren’t just anti-muslim, they are anti-american. Wordpress has the right and the duty to shut down the blog based on their terms of service.

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A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization today called on the FBI to investigate a number of threats of violence targeting mosques posted online on an anti-Islam hate site, including the comment “I want [Muslim] blood on my hands” by an individual who claims he regularly drives past a Virginia mosque.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) also urged wordpress.com to remove the hate site because its calls to violence violate the hosting company’s terms of service,” which prohibit blogs that “contain threats or incite violence towards individuals or entities.”

[NOTE: At CAIR’s request, wordpress.com last year deleted a similar blog containing posts that advocated burning mosques, making false bomb threats implicating Muslims, desecrating Muslim graves, and that recommended the “proper way to shoot a muslim [sic].”]

CAIR said articles and comments posted on the anonymous blog “Bare Naked Islam” (BNI) routinely urge attacks on and desecration of American and European mosques.

[NOTE: Grammatical errors have been maintained for all posts and comments below.]

“Keith Mahone (aka Charles Martel),” who states that he regularly drives by a Virginia mosque, wrote: “[I]f you see a Muslim licking an ice cream cone in the park and you blow his head off you are technically committing an act of self defense…Muslims must learn they they are not safe anywhere outside a Muslim country…My heart does a back flip to see a mosque “desecrated”…Burn every mosque to the ground in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and kill every Muslim twice…I want their blood on my hands as a matter of principle.”

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85 comments
1 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 7:59:50am

Recommended.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 8:02:13am

HOO
RAY!

That was a vile, vile blog. It came up here when a former lizard linked to it repeatedly on her blog. Glad it's gone.

3 Olsonist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:37:54am

Happy Birthday to me.
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Happy Birthday dear me.
Happy Birthday to me.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:40:22am

Freedom of speech is being repressed!!!

5 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:41:32am

Wordpress falls prey to Dhimmitude!

Shariah is upon us! This is how it starts!!

/channeling the usual suspects

6 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:42:38am
7 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:43:15am

They hate us for our freedom.

8 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:44:22am

Wonder how long a Wordpress blog would hang around if it were pushing for christians to be fed to lions, shot on sight, strangled with their crucifixes, then burned in their churches? Think any christian group(s) might make a stink about that?

9 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:47:36am

You know who else shut down anti-jihad websites?!

//(Wait, sorry, channeling the wrong wingnut)

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:49:58am

Jim Hoft says the blog was closed after "threats from CAIR," which is exactly the opposite of the truth.

The comments at that blog were openly advocating murder and terrorist attacks against Muslims. And for that matter, there are many anti-Muslim blogs that allow such comments to be posted. It's common.

11 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:52:23am

The idea that murdering someone in the park while eating ice cream as being 'self-defense' is Breivik style thinking.

12 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:53:25am

re: #10 Charles

Jim Hoft says the blog was closed after "threats from CAIR," which is exactly the opposite of the truth.

The comments at that blog were openly advocating murder and terrorist attacks against Muslims. And for that matter, there are many anti-Muslim blogs that allow such comments to be posted. It's common.

The internet has connected people in a way that no other medium could before, unfortunately, it's also brought to the surface a lot of ugliness that was better left buried.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:54:13am

Check out the brave counter-jihad warriors, whining like babies at dim Jim Hoft's blog:

[Link: www.thegatewaypundit.com...]

In more than 100 comments, there's exactly ONE person who raises the issue that posting murder threats just might not be OK:

Look, I know that CAIR is a load of politically manipulative horse-squeeze, but if the details I’m reading about barenakedislam are true, then it is a terrorist breeding ground. I don’t blame WordPress pulling it.
Let them find their “free speech” elsewhere,

They're also blaming this on President Obama.

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:55:28am

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

To reveal how evil that last paragraph is, I've changed a few things:


“[I]f you see a Christian licking an ice cream cone in the park and you blow his head off you are technically committing an act of self defense…Christians must learn they they are not safe anywhere outside a Christian country…My heart does a back flip to see a mosque “desecrated”…Burn every mosque to the ground in the name of ... and kill every Christian twice…I want their blood on my hands as a matter of principle.”

You could substitute Buddhist, Shinto, etc. in to get the full effect. I would say Jew, but there are already paragraphs like this about Jews that are not a joke or a parody.

15 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:56:02am

The admin at the site, "Bonni" was quoted as saying she doesn't advocate violence (just allowed it on her site, I guess), but that all mosques in the U.S. should be closed. You can find her statements all over the net.

So I guess that means they also advocate changing the first amendment? What other religions does she/they want to abolish? I'm afraid to ask.

16 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:57:53am

Oh, Woot Woot to you, Randy, for the front page post!

17 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:59:23am

re: #13 Charles

Check out the brave counter-jihad warriors,

I saved a panel from a bike box that misspelled the model name of the bike because it makes me laugh. It was supposed to say "Warrior Trail" and instead it says "Worrior Trail". I read your phrase as "counter-jihad worriers", and it fits.

18 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:01:08am

re: #13 Charles

Check out the brave counter-jihad warriors, whining like babies at dim Jim Hoft's blog:

[Link: www.thegatewaypundit.com...]

In more than 100 comments, there's exactly ONE person who raises the issue that posting murder threats just might not be OK:

They're also blaming this on President Obama.

And that little ray of sunshine is exactly right, what is advocated on so many "anti-Muslim/jihad/etc" sites amounts to nothing more than domestic terrorism. I'm sure that these chairborne rangers, who think it should be legal to burn down mosques or shoot Muslims, wouldn't be so supportive of somebody proposing the burning of churches or arguing that shooting cops is "technically self defense."

19 Joanne  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:02:10am

re: #13 Charles

Is there anything they don't blame on President Obama?

And as long as they (Bare Naked Islam) are doing the right kind of threatening, to the right kinds of people, it's all good in the Dim, Pammy, Spence, et al, world.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:05:55am

Just sitting, here, working on a document and thinking...

I really can't see that Jesus wants someone's head blown off in his name.

Just doesn't fit the God of the New Testament, you know?

21 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:06:05am

I can easily predict the counter-attack against me for posting this -- they'll bring up the time that long-banned user "Rayra" posted a threat against Ibrahim Hooper and CAIR called the FBI, even though the comment had been deleted months before. They'll use that to say that LGF used to be as bad as "Bare Naked Islam," but the fact is that comments like that were absolutely NEVER allowed at this site, and I banned many people for doing it.

Now, of course, most of those banned morons have dedicated their lives to smearing me on the Internet, for taking action to get rid of them and make this a place that decent people can read without vomiting.

22 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:08:41am

re: #21 Charles

Now, of course, most of those banned morons have dedicated their lives to smearing me on the Internet, for taking action to get rid of them and make this a place that decent people can read without vomiting.

Several stalkers are commenting on that very thread.

23 Lidane  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:10:40am
"Burn every mosque to the ground in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and kill every Muslim twice…I want their blood on my hands as a matter of principle"

Methinks this guy didn't pay attention to what Jesus actually said:

Matthew 5:16 -- "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Matthew 5:43-44 -- "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

Matthew 7:12 -- "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law"

24 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:12:55am

re: #22 wrenchwench

Several stalkers are commenting on that very thread.

That's right - they found blogs where their hate speech is welcome.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:13:07am

re: #15 marjoriemoon

The admin at the site, "Bonni" was quoted as saying she doesn't advocate violence (just allowed it on her site, I guess), but that all mosques in the U.S. should be closed. You can find her statements all over the net.

So I guess that means they also advocate changing the first amendment? What other religions does she/they want to abolish? I'm afraid to ask.

This is where the "Islam isn't a religion, it's a political philosophy" bullshit takes over.

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:13:57am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

This is where the "Islam isn't a religion, it's a political philosophy" bullshit takes over.

It isn't a religion?

It involves a God, praying, holy scriptures, and theology.

27 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:14:05am

re: #21 Charles

It is what it is. Or rather, it was what it was. Kudos to you for having the courage to be a better and bigger person. It takes a lot of strength to not just acknowledge one's imperfections, but to do something about them. I'm happy to be an LGF member for yet another year!

28 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:15:40am

re: #26 EmmmieG

It isn't a religion?

It involves a God, praying, holy scriptures, and theology.

There are those who believe it does not stop there, that its scriptures shouldserve as a basis for a legal code. We find people with the same opinion about Christianity, too.

It is amazing how deranged minds think alike.

29 Lidane  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:15:46am

re: #26 EmmmieG

It isn't a religion?

It involves a God, praying, holy scriptures, and theology.

But it's the WRONG God, the wrong prayers in a funny language that isn't English, the wrong scriptures, and theology that annoys us because we thought of it first.

///

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:15:52am

re: #26 EmmmieG

It isn't a religion?

It involves a God, praying, holy scriptures, and theology.

I could do a riff off of that, in the crazy hater's style, but I haven't had my coffee yet. Was up late late late.

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:18:37am

re: #29 Lidane

///

Yeah. I just hate scriptures that weren't written in English first.

32 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:19:05am

re: #13 Charles

The FBI and Wordpress worked to take down the site because of the threats posed on the site on a regular and repeating basis. At a minimum such statements violate the TOS of pretty much every web hosting service and as such would be taken down - regardless of whether CAIR was involved or whether the threats were being directed at Muslims, Jews, white supremacists, etc.

The Wordpress TOS:

We (the folks at Automattic) run a blog and web site hosting service called WordPress.com and would love for you to use it. Our basic service is free, and we offer paid upgrades for advanced features such as domain hosting and extra storage. Our service is designed to give you as much control and ownership over what goes on your site as possible and encourage you to express yourself freely. However, be responsible in what you publish. In particular, make sure that none of the prohibited items listed below appear on your site or get linked to from your site (things like spam, viruses, or hate content [emphasis added]).

Responsibility of Contributors.If you operate a blog, comment on a blog, post material to the Website, post links on the Website, or otherwise make (or allow any third party to make) material available by means of the Website (any such material, “Content”), You are entirely responsible for the content of, and any harm resulting from, that Content. That is the case regardless of whether the Content in question constitutes text, graphics, an audio file, or computer software. By making Content available, you represent and warrant that:

...
the Content is not pornographic, does not contain threats or incite violence towards individuals or entities, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party;

Under the TOS, Auttomatic (WordPress) gets to terminate the site. End of story.

Instead, they're whining because CAIR was involved and that got the FBI involved, and Wordpress took down a site that violated the Wordpress TOS.

33 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:19:28am

Man, the comments at Pamela Geller's site about this are just unreal. I think I may have to do a follow-up post about it.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:19:28am

re: #29 Lidane

///

My take is that it's all sour grapes for them not being faithful and unquestioning followers of the complaining hierarchy/oligarchy.

Which also explains all the whining and complaining about atheists, Mormons, free thinkers, etc.

35 Lidane  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:20:36am

re: #31 EmmmieG

Yeah. I just hate scriptures that weren't written in English first.

Heh.

It makes me laugh when idiots complain about religious texts in other languages. WTF language did they think the books of the Bible were written in?

36 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:21:53am

re: #28 ralphieboy

There are those who believe it does not stop there, that its scriptures shouldserve as a basis for a legal code. We find people with the same opinion about Christianity, too.

It is amazing how deranged minds think alike.

However, their scriptures do serve as legal code in Islamic run countries. They don't have democracy (voting), a constitution, rule of law or a representative government. This is the challenge of the Arab Spring - so that freedom will endure.

Israel is probably the only country that has all these things, democracy, rule of law, a representative government AND Jewish law. And some folks (both in and out of Israel) don't really dig that. But that Israel does it and still remains a free society proves that it can be done. The Arabs CAN have it. I don't know if they WILL have it, but I guess now, I've gone off on a tangent LOL

At any rate, I feel strongly about supporting those Muslims (and anyone else) who have broken free of tyranny and are trying to live their lives in peace and freedom.

37 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:23:37am

re: #35 Lidane

The King's English of course /

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:23:51am

re: #35 Lidane

Heh.

It makes me laugh when idiots complain about religious texts in other languages. WTF language did they think the books of the Bible were written in?

Sometimes the translated word denotes something to our modern mind that didn't exist back then, like the word "book."

Paper wasn't invented yet, so book usually means scroll, or some such item of written-down work. Yet we see a modern book, with a rectangular shape, chapters, binding, and probably even gilt writing.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:25:03am

These freaks are ranting like lunatics at the Wordpress support forum too:

[Link: en.forums.wordpress.com...]

40 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:25:10am

re: #35 Lidane

Heh.

It makes me laugh when idiots complain about religious texts in other languages. WTF language did they think the books of the Bible were written in?

Wonder how many of these nimrods could actually read a Bible written in Latin?

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:25:58am

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wonder how many of these nimrods could actually read a Bible written in Latin?

Or Hebrew. Or Aramaic. Or Greek.

Or worse...all three.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:27:09am

re: #35 Lidane

Heh.

It makes me laugh when idiots complain about religious texts in other languages. WTF language did they think the books of the Bible were written in?

There was a famous Dubya quote during the discussion on posting the Ten COmmandments in public places, he came out in favor of it.

At which point some smart-assed journalist (who had obvioulsy taken a semester or two of comparative theology) asked him "Which translation?"

To which Dubya replied, "The standard one".

he did not expound on it, but I somehow suspect he meant the King James version.

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:28:26am

I don't think the anti-Muslim crackpots helped their case with Wordpress very much, with the insane bigoted garbage they posted there.

The admins closed the thread.

44 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:29:39am

re: #41 EmmmieG

Or Hebrew. Or Aramaic. Or Greek.

Or worse...all three.

Wanna really see their heads explode? Point out that, according to scientific best guess, Jesus looked something like this.

45 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:31:54am

re: #44 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wait, you mean he didn't look like this?

46 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:33:57am

re: #35 Lidane

Heh.

It makes me laugh when idiots complain about religious texts in other languages. WTF language did they think the books of the Bible were written in?

If English was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for the United States.

PS: Wasn't that some meme that was going around years ago that someone supposedly said?

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:38:12am

re: #36 marjoriemoon

However, their scriptures do serve as legal code in Islamic run countries. They don't have democracy (voting), a constitution, rule of law or a representative government. This is the challenge of the Arab Spring - so that freedom will endure.

Israel is probably the only country that has all these things, democracy, rule of law, a representative government AND Jewish law. And some folks (both in and out of Israel) don't really dig that. But that Israel does it and still remains a free society proves that it can be done. The Arabs CAN have it. I don't know if they WILL have it, but I guess now, I've gone off on a tangent LOL

At any rate, I feel strongly about supporting those Muslims (and anyone else) who have broken free of tyranny and are trying to live their lives in peace and freedom.

Can you claify your groupings a bit?

For instance, Malaysia has Islam as a state religion, but it's legal system is mainly derived from English Common Law. They have a constitution, elections, etc., but they also are not Arabic.

So I think I'm having troubles with your comment sort of making "Islamist" and "Arab" equivalent, when there are a lot of non-Arab Muslims in the world as well.

48 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:39:22am

re: #43 Charles

I don't think the anti-Muslim crackpots helped their case with Wordpress very much, with the insane bigoted garbage they posted there.

The admins closed the thread.

Kinda cool, though, it ended with this:

What you extremists fail to realise and hope the rest of us will ignore is the fact that 99.99% of all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists and others just want to get on with the daily business of getting through life without harming other people. You can hang on to your hatreds all your like and hope you'll attract more followers by spreading more lies, but you can't accept that basic fact.

49 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:40:54am

re: #47 oaktree

Can you claify your groupings a bit?

For instance, Malaysia has Islam as a state religion, but it's legal system is mainly derived from English Common Law. They have a constitution, elections, etc., but they also are not Arabic.

So I think I'm having troubles with your comment sort of making "Islamist" and "Arab" equivalent, when there are a lot of non-Arab Muslims in the world as well.

Sorry about that. Arab Islamic would be different than other Islam states. Is Malaysia the only one? I don't believe there are any Arab Muslim countries with a democracy, rule of law and representative government.

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:46:22am

re: #49 marjoriemoon

Sorry about that. Arab Islamic would be different than other Islam states. Is Malaysia the only one? I don't believe there are any Arab Muslim countries with a democracy, rule of law and representative government.

'cuz Islam is da EEEBIL!

51 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:46:30am

re: #47 oaktree

Can you claify your groupings a bit?

For instance, Malaysia has Islam as a state religion, but it's legal system is mainly derived from English Common Law. They have a constitution, elections, etc., but they also are not Arabic.

So I think I'm having troubles with your comment sort of making "Islamist" and "Arab" equivalent, when there are a lot of non-Arab Muslims in the world as well.

Turkey, also, is a Muslim democratic republic so thanks for pointing it out.

I worry about the Arab Spring uprising because it could become very bad, worse than it was in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia and what's going on Syria, I don't know. But yes, certainly there are examples to follow if they can get there.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:48:37am

re: #51 marjoriemoon

It is odd to note that many of the tinhorn dictators we tolerated (or even supported) such as Saddam, Qaddafi or Mubarak, were secularists. As was the regime in Afghanistan that the Taliban toppled.

"Democracy" actually meant more Islamist influence in those country's politics.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:48:48am

re: #49 marjoriemoon

Sorry about that. Arab Islamic would be different than other Islam states. Is Malaysia the only one? I don't believe there are any Arab Muslim countries with a democracy, rule of law and representative government.

Lebanon would fit that, although they're only, what, 60% Muslim.

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:50:16am

re: #49 marjoriemoon

Sorry about that. Arab Islamic would be different than other Islam states. Is Malaysia the only one? I don't believe there are any Arab Muslim countries with a democracy, rule of law and representative government.

A good question.

Malaysia might well be the most stable example. Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangledesh, etc. do not fit the bill very well in one way or another.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:50:37am

re: #52 ralphieboy

It is odd to note that many of the tinhorn dictators we tolerated (or even supported) such as Saddam, Qaddafi or Mubarak, were secularists. As was the regime in Afghanistan that the Taliban toppled.

"Democracy" actually meant more Islamist influence in those country's politics.

I remember people saying essentially that thirty years ago. If the dictators and kings and such go, the fanatics will be voted in in their wake.

Stupid intractable situations.

56 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:51:37am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember people saying essentially that thirty years ago. If the dictators and kings and such go, the fanatics will be voted in in their wake.

Stupid intractable situations.

Intractable in that what their people want and what we (well the US govt) wants are quite possibly different?

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:51:52am

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Lebanon would fit that, although they're only, what, 60% Muslim.

You've also got a few constitutional monarchies. They're not perfect at the democracy/representative government angle, but they tend to have rule of law and a functional secular state. Think Jordan, Morocco.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:53:36am

re: #56 oaktree

Intractable in that what their people want and what we (well the US govt) wants are quite possibly different?

Intractable in that none of the options are very good. The fanatics tend to win the first election. Often, that's the last election, or the last one that counts. Iran might be the poster child here.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:54:56am

Lebanon, I think, is a fascinating example of how you (after considerable unpleasantness), hammer a functioning nation out of a dozen splintered religious and political groups. Some of what they've got in place boggles my mind, but they seem to be holding the whole thing together very effectively.

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:55:39am

Useful idiots from OWS continue promoting anti-American propaganda for the Mullahs in Iran.
OWS rejects US politics of war

Interview with Gloria La Riva, with the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition

'The 1% in US is bracing for class war'

Interview with Caleb Maupin, an activist with the International Action Center

But this Occupy Wall Street movement has opened up a new area of political space where people are taking to the streets in huge numbers.

And millions of people are learning the truth that activists like me have known for a long time, which is that, in New York City and anywhere else in this country, if you're a Zionist or a Ku Klux Klan, and you have a march then the police will escort you nicely and everything will be fine.

But if you stand up against Wall Street, and you stand up to these bankers and you have a message they don't want to hear, they'll come down on you with pepper spray and mace, and their orange nets, and they'll come and they'll brutalize you.

And that's the truth, this whole idea of the US as a democracy is a sham.

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:57:41am

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Lebanon would fit that, although they're only, what, 60% Muslim.

And Malaysia is also heavily mixed in ethnic and religious groups. The Malays (and related ethnic groups) are about 2/3 of the population with most of the rest being Chinese and Indian. And the religious split is also roughly 2/3 Muslim with the rest being a mix of Taoist, Christians, and Hinduism. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by the constitution.

Interesting bit from the Wiki page on Malaysia:
Muslims are obliged to follow the decisions of Syariah courts in matters concerning their religion. The Islamic judges are expected to follow the Shafi`i legal school of Islam, which is the main madh'hab of Malaysia.[158] The jurisdiction of Shariah courts is limited to Muslims in matters such as marriage, inheritance, divorce, apostasy, religious conversion, and custody among others. No other criminal or civil offences are under the jurisdiction of the Shariah courts, which have a similar hierarchy to the Civil Courts. Despite being the supreme courts of the land, the Civil Courts do not hear matters related to Islamic practices.[159]

So it looks like there is a religious court system parallel to the civil courts. But they only hear cases for Muslims, and only in relation to certain case types.

62 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:58:07am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I forgot the quote from the ANSWER chick...

...the majority Democrats in the House and the Senate and the President being Democrat, but the wars had actually intensified, there are more troops abroad, more killings of people in different countries by the drones and more threats at this very day against Syria, Iran and others who dare to stay independent.

63 sagehen  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:58:10am

re: #19 JustJay

Is there anything they don't blame on President Obama?

The deaths of Osama Bin Laden and Anwar Al-Aliki.

64 Kragar  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:59:51am

Romney Steps Up Bid to Save Nation’s ‘Soul’ While Watching Paul

Funny, I thought he was running for President, not Messiah.

Mitt's journey to Evangelical suckup is complete.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:00:47pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Useful idiots from OWS continue promoting anti-American propaganda for the Mullahs in Iran.
OWS rejects US politics of war

Interview with Gloria La Riva, with the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition

'The 1% in US is bracing for class war'

Interview with Caleb Maupin, an activist with the International Action Center

I don't know anything about IAC. Given ANSWER's history about Iran, I'm not surprised to see them on Press TV, giving the answers the interviewer wants to hear.

66 Big Steve  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:01:00pm

At 9:37 CST today Big Steve became legally single.....just saying.....and to the former Mrs Big Steve, I wish nothing but the best. We had a great run, two great kids, and we are still friends.

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:01:26pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Intractable in that none of the options are very good. The fanatics tend to win the first election. Often, that's the last election, or the last one that counts. Iran might be the poster child here.

And cultures with few democratic traditions, a small middle class, limited educational opportunities, lots of opportunist groups seeking power, and easy anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist buttons to push are often not fertile ground to attempt to quick start a democratic government in.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:02:00pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney Steps Up Bid to Save Nation’s ‘Soul’ While Watching Paul

Funny, I thought he was running for President, not Messiah.

Mitt's journey to Evangelical suckup is complete.

An old Yiddishe proverb seems appropriate here: "Why do you worry so much about your body, and my soul? Worry instead about my body, and your own soul."

69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:03:13pm

re: #49 marjoriemoon

Sorry about that. Arab Islamic would be different than other Islam states. Is Malaysia the only one? I don't believe there are any Arab Muslim countries with a democracy, rule of law and representative government.

They're not Arab, but Azerbaijan was the first to try it.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:03:33pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

An old Yiddishe proverb seems appropriate here: "Why do you worry so much about your body, and my soul? Worry instead about my body, and your own soul."

Well, part of that seems to have been taken to heart due to all the concern about what other people are doing in their own bedroom.
/

71 majii  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:03:42pm

Sometimes Karma can be a mean old b*tch. Many on the right were OK with Lowe's pulling its support from "American Muslims," but they are howling like stuck pigs because wordpress took “Bare Naked Islam” down. IMO, this couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of bigots.

72 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:04:14pm

re: #66 Big Steve

At 9:37 CST today Big Steve became legally single...just saying...and to the former Mrs Big Steve, I wish nothing but the best. We had a great run, two great kids, and we are still friends.

Congrats on saving the friendship. Your kids will appreciate it.

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:04:17pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know anything about IAC. Given ANSWER's history about Iran, I'm not surprised to see them on Press TV, giving the answers the interviewer wants to hear.

Maupin from IAC was one of the first organizers/facilitators at Zuccoti park. He's a first class dick.

74 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:05:25pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney Steps Up Bid to Save Nation’s ‘Soul’ While Watching Paul

Funny, I thought he was running for President, not Messiah.

Mitt's journey to Evangelical suckup is complete.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

75 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:06:02pm

re: #71 majii

Welcome, hatchling. (I missed your first comment.)

76 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:07:01pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know anything about IAC. Given ANSWER's history about Iran, I'm not surprised to see them on Press TV, giving the answers the interviewer wants to hear.

Ramsey Clark cranks, in love with Neuteri Karta.

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:07:43pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Intractable in that none of the options are very good. The fanatics tend to win the first election. Often, that's the last election, or the last one that counts. Iran might be the poster child here.

Remember that Iran once had an election in the 50's that put into power a secular but socialist government which the US toppled in a CIA coup and replaced with the Shah...

That was the "last election that counted" in their case and certainly their "poster child" moment when it comes to the consequences of poorly thought-out regime change

78 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:09:36pm

I am going to be on the Zev Brenner "Talkline" show on Saturday night. I think it's on at midnight. They invited me after seeing this blog post that I made about the gender segregation insanity in Israel. My point being that if someone had treated me like that years ago, 9 children and 29 grandchildren would never have been born. Religious maniacs in Israel would have caused 38 abortions!

They thought that was a powerful message.

Also, have to get together with the "mechutonim" (my daughter's future in-laws) to set a wedding date, choose a venue, split up the expenses and so on. They are from the UK.

79 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:09:42pm

re: #33 Charles

Man, the comments at Pamela Geller's site about this are just unreal. I think I may have to do a follow-up post about it.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

The other thing worthy of note: Matt at Automattic is one of the good guys, in the past he's taken down Islamic terrorist and terrorist sympathizer blogs that made threats when I've reported them to him. He holds up to consistent principles, and doesn't censor websites due to pressure, prejudice, or profiling.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:11:28pm

re: #77 ralphieboy

Remember that Iran once had an election in the 50's that put into power a secular but socialist government which the US toppled in a CIA coup and replaced with the Shah...

That was the "last election that counted" in their case and certainly their "poster child" moment when it comes to the consequences of poorly thought-out regime change

I'm well aware. I'd love to know what Iran could have become without us putting a thumb on the scales of history.

81 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:11:58pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Lebanon, I think, is a fascinating example of how you (after considerable unpleasantness), hammer a functioning nation out of a dozen splintered religious and political groups. Some of what they've got in place boggles my mind, but they seem to be holding the whole thing together very effectively.

I don't know how effectively with the influence of Hizbollah.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:16:52pm

re: #81 marjoriemoon

I don't know how effectively with the influence of Hizbollah.

They're there, and causing trouble, but given where Lebanon has been, I think they're doing pretty well, all things considered.

It's not perfect. Nothing in the Middle East ever is.

83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 12:17:41pm

re: #78 Alouette

Many congrats on both fronts!

84 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 1:32:12pm

re: #78 Alouette

I am going to be on the Zev Brenner "Talkline" show on Saturday night. I think it's on at midnight. They invited me after seeing this blog post that I made about the gender segregation insanity in Israel. My point being that if someone had treated me like that years ago, 9 children and 29 grandchildren would never have been born. Religious maniacs in Israel would have caused 38 abortions!

They thought that was a powerful message.

Also, have to get together with the "mechutonim" (my daughter's future in-laws) to set a wedding date, choose a venue, split up the expenses and so on. They are from the UK.

Awesome. I really liked that post. It was very powerful, a reminder that the imagined past...so often projected through the lens of agenda...rarely pares with what actual people experienced. It was also a very heartwarming story.

And congratulations, too, on the upcoming nuptials of your daughter.

85 Tommy B  Fri, Dec 30, 2011 3:17:39pm

A couple of selections from the comments section on the Yahoo story:

Phil • San Diego, California • 19 hrs ago
I hope CAIR gets a taste of its own Islamic justice. Like a car bomb at its HQ

alicia • Tampa, Florida • 6 hrs ago
"Behind every blade of grass..." you filthy mooslims. These cult members hide behind the skirts of females and rape children...cowardly, ball -less, backwards 7th century cave dwellers.
Eliminate them all.

At least that second comment has no up votes and four down votes. The first comment, with its "car bomb" suggestion, currently has seven up votes and one down vote.

The hatred, and incitement to violence, is right out in the open, even on major websites like Yahoo. Kudos to Wordpress for exercising its own free speech rights in deciding not to publish that kind of material.


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