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1 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:14:11pm

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

2 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:14:56pm

Bozo Bachmann is only barely qualified as human being....it's a wonder she can even feed herself

3 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:15:42pm

She's a woman. I don't think the Bible was really all that strong on female leaders.

4 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:16:14pm

"no compromise"
that says it all....politics is the art of the deal
fail

5 Mattand  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:16:47pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

What Kragar said. How does one be "Biblically" qualified to run a nation that is secular by design?

Other than living in your own fantasy world, that is?

6 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:17:58pm

No she's not. She's a woman.

//

7 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:18:24pm

re: #5 mattand

What Kragar said. How does one be "Biblically" qualified to run a nation that is secular by design?

Other than living in your own fantasy world, that is?

one doesn't...it's all bullshit

8 allegro  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:19:04pm

re: #6 moderatelyradicalliberal

No she's not. She's a woman.

//

But... but... Joan of Arc!

Oh wait, she was a catholic and got burned at the stake for heresy and shit. Never mind.

9 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:20:00pm

So, are they running for President or Messiah?

10 wee fury  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:20:08pm

Funny stuff.
LOL

11 Mattand  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:20:41pm

re: #6 moderatelyradicalliberal

No she's not. She's a woman.

//

Yeah, the Bible isn't exactly big on the whole equality thing. You'd think a Biblical "scholar" like Michelle would pick up on that.

12 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:20:48pm

piousitis...
it's a disease

13 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:21:11pm

re: #8 allegro

But... but... Joan of Arc!

Oh wait, she was a catholic and got burned at the stake for heresy and shit. Never mind.

And probably was schizophrenic

14 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:21:48pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And probably was schizophrenic

she made terrific brownies tho

15 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:21:58pm

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, are they running for President or Messiah?

I'm leaning towards Messiah at this point

Romney Steps Up Bid to Save Nation’s ‘Soul’

16 Meitantei  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:22:07pm

Honestly, the "No compromises" thing is more concerning than the first one from my perspective. You see this dynamic with the extreme right ( and really, the extreme left too) who acts like compromise and dialogue is some inherent evil.

Like to think of it as another way in which Randism has infected this country.

17 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:23:05pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

And yet, believing in Jesus seems to be a given so far in our history.

I long for the day when I don't have to hear that absurd phrase at the end of every frakken Presidential speech, "god bless America." Enough already.

18 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:24:00pm

re: #16 Meitantei

Honestly, the "No compromises" thing is more concerning than the first one from my perspective. You see this dynamic with the extreme right ( and really, the extreme left too) who acts like compromise and dialogue is some inherent evil.

Like to think of it as another way in which Randism has infected this country.

Politics: a process by which groups of people make collective decisions.

Seems to me no compromise effectively means "Why should any of us bother including you?"

19 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:24:30pm

re: #16 Meitantei

Honestly, the "No compromises" thing is more concerning than the first one from my perspective. You see this dynamic with the extreme right ( and really, the extreme left too) who acts like compromise and dialogue is some inherent evil.

Like to think of it as another way in which Randism has infected this country.

You have to understand that, to loons like Bachmann, "compromise" means they have to agree that the Democrats have some ideas worth supporting or at least not opposing in order to get their own ideas passed. And they refuse to do that, as they believe Democrats are "evil" and plan to destroy America. So, but refusing compromise and pushing "pure" ideology, they believe they are actually saving America and making it great again.

20 allegro  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:25:54pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm leaning towards Messiah at this point

Romney Steps Up Bid to Save Nation’s ‘Soul’

Oh good grief. They demand our wombs and now they want our souls too. I thought the republican party was all about staying out of our lives. At least that was what my lifelong republican mama and daddy always told me.

(note to self: stop trying to post comments until nails dry.)

21 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:26:01pm

re: #11 mattand

Yeah, the Bible isn't exactly big on the whole equality thing. You'd think a Biblical "scholar" like Michelle would pick up on that.

Oh, she knows. But she only uses "women should be at home submitting" crap against other women. She and Sarah Palin think they are Queen Esther and Deborah. Dr. Laura too.

22 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:26:29pm

Bachmann and her fellow travelers, Santorum and Perry are a distinct and real threat to America...these social rejects are antiAmerican...forget their patriotic blather

23 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:28:47pm

It was a painstaking process to determine this. They had to read the whole Bible and make sure that nowhere was it written "Michelle Bachmann can't be President of the United States." They lost a lot of staffers who became a liability after they absorbed some of the scripture's content beyond the approved read list of Revelations, a few bits in John, and assorted fragments of Daniel.

Her campaign has no comment about those very words being carved on the inside of the lid to Nostradamus's coffin.

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:29:02pm

Biblically qualified? Okay, time for a quick cut and paste:

Founding principles of America (1) –
Republican democracy: Explicitly denied by the Bible. Rather than democracy, the Bible's preferred model of government is a divine-right kingship, where one individual is hereditarily chosen and wields supreme power. This is what America's founders were rebelling against when they brought forth this nation

Founding principles of America (2) –
Separation of powers: Explicitly denied by the Bible. As above, in the Bible's divine-right monarchy, a single individual wields supreme power over all functions of government. Some apologists seek to find an equivalent in a verse from Isaiah 33 - "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king" - but what they overlook is that this verse explicitly envisions all three of these powers as being held by the same person.

Founding principles of America (3) –
Federalism: Partial equivalent in the Bible. The Old Testament's society, where each of the twelve tribes of Israel has partial autonomy over its own region, is similar to the American model of states. However, there is a notable dissimilarity as well: the Bible envisions membership in a tribe as hereditary, whereas states are made up of free collections of individuals who can move around at will. In any case, some sort of hierarchy is unavoidable in any organization too large for a single person to directly oversee.

Founding principles of America (4) –
The process of amendment: Explicitly denied by the Bible. Rather than creating a living, dynamic system of laws that can be improved and mended as society sees fit, the Bible claims that its laws are eternal and immutable, literally set in stone, and can neither be added to nor changed. The Old Testament says that each of its laws "shall be a statute forever" (Leviticus 23:41), and the New Testament says that anyone who suggests a different gospel should be accursed (Galatians 1:8-9).

Founding principles of America (5) –
Religious freedom: Explicitly denied by the Bible. Far from granting people the right to worship as they see fit, the Bible says that anyone who encourages believers to serve other gods, or anyone who speaks "blasphemy", should be killed (Deuteronomy 13:6-9, Leviticus 24:16). God himself joins in on many occasions by slaughtering people who worship different gods (Exodus 22:20). Although Jesus does say that people should "render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" (Mark 12:17), there is no indication that any non-Christian should enjoy the same freedom of worship as believers.

Founding principles of America (6) –
Freedom of speech, assembly, press and petition: Explicitly denied by the Bible. As above, the Bible does not grant freedom of speech, but rather threatens death for those who speak in unapproved ways. Ancient Israel had no concept of the press, but there are also many cases in which people were killed for unapproved assemblies or for questioning their leaders (Numbers 16:35).

Founding principles of America (7) –
Protection from search and seizure: No equivalent in the Bible. Lacking a judicial system or separation of powers, ancient Israel had no notion of search warrants or of protection from arbitrary seizure.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:29:32pm
Founding principles of America (8) –
Trial by jury: No equivalent in the Bible. Again, the Bible has nothing like our custom of the legal or judicial system. It does say that a man who suspects his wife of committing adultery can bring her before the priests and force her to drink "bitter water" which will cause her belly to swell and her thighs to rot if she is guilty (Numbers 5). If anything, this is most similar to the barbaric concept of trial by ordeal. It also says that anyone who accidentally kills someone may be killed without consequence by a relative of the deceased (whom it calls the "avenger of blood") (Joshua 20). Again, no mention is made of convening a jury to determine the guilt of the accused. Finally, it says that any person may be convicted of a crime on the testimony of just two witnesses (Deuteronomy 19:15), which is a far cry from the American legal system.

Founding principles of America (9) –
Protection from cruel or unusual punishment: Explicitly denied by the Bible. One of the most common punishments prescribed by the Bible is stoning - bludgeoning a person to death by smashing in his head and face with rocks. This penalty is prescribed for crimes such as disobeying one's parents (Deuteronomy 21:21), picking up sticks on Sunday (Numbers 15:36), or being gay (Leviticus 20:13). This is "cruel and unusual" punishment by any rational definition of that term.

Founding principles of America (10) –
Equality of all people under the law: Explicitly denied by the Bible. The Bible makes it clear that the Israelites enjoyed special favor as compared to everybody else, and were treated differently by the Mosaic law code. For example, foreigners taken as slaves could be kept indefinitely, while Israelite slaves were freed every seven years during Jubilee (Leviticus 25:39-46). Even among Israelites, there were stark divisions: women are worth considerably less than men (Leviticus 27:1-7), and the handicapped are discriminated against (Leviticus 21:17-23). Even Jesus joins in by making statements comparing non-Jews to dogs (Mark 7:27).

26 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:29:56pm

re: #20 allegro

Oh good grief. They demand our wombs and now they want our souls too. I thought the republican party was all about staying out of our lives. At least that was what my lifelong republican mama and daddy always told me.

(note to self: stop trying to post comments until nails dry.)

Really...it's now a party of hypocrites and cretins.

Did you see this:

Stepping off the bus as the song “Eye of the Tiger” blared, he described the election as a fight “to save the soul of America.”

Talk about being out of touch with contemporary music. It's just campy, and not a good kind of campy either.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:30:36pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm leaning towards Messiah at this point

Romney Steps Up Bid to Save Nation’s ‘Soul’

Mitt Romney is making me like him less and less. If he keeps this kind of shit up, I might come to the conclusion that he needs to be completely and utterly destroyed and sent off into the wilderness GWB style. Thank goodness Obama probably doesn't respect him the way that I think he genuinely respected John McCain. Obama had to be respectful to McCain, he was old and a war hero. He can go after Mitt with no reservation or remorse. I look forward to it.

28 tnguitarist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:30:36pm

If by "biblically qualified" they mean "bat-shit crazy religious nut" then, yes, she is qualified.

29 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:31:12pm

re: #20 allegro

Oh good grief. They demand our wombs and now they want our souls too. I thought the republican party was all about staying out of our lives. At least that was what my lifelong republican mama and daddy always told me.

(note to self: stop trying to post comments until nails dry.)

Republicans are all about government staying out of your business...just so long as your business doesn't go against government-mandated morals and ethics.

30 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:31:31pm

Old or New Testament?

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:32:28pm

re: #30 Iwouldprefernotto

That's situationally dependent.

32 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:33:47pm

re: #30 Iwouldprefernotto

Old or New testament?

heh...it's all made up rubbish...these people are off their rockers and giving religion a black eye again...basing your entire life and worldview on the bible is lunacy

33 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:34:11pm

I'm sure this will help her tremendously in the primary in Samaria.

34 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:34:25pm

re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal

He can go after Mitt with no reservation or remorse.

Wouldn't you, after seeing this picture? :P (and yes, I know this is the third time I've posted it...but there is no better visual symbol for the douchebaggitude that is Romney. For a bonus auditory assault, look at it while a megawatt stereo system blares "Eye of the Tiger").

35 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:34:52pm

re: #20 allegro

Oh good grief. They demand our wombs and now they want our souls too. I thought the republican party was all about staying out of our lives. At least that was what my lifelong republican mama and daddy always told me.

(note to self: stop trying to post comments until nails dry.)

But see dear that's what you don't understand. Your womb isn't yours and my womb isn't mine. It's a place to grow babies on behalf of Jesus. To these people you don't really own yourself or your body. To these people rapists have more of a right to decide when they want to be father's than you and I have a right to decide when we want to be mothers.

Fuck them, they can DIAF.

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:35:43pm

This is no joke; she really is Biblically Qualified: Exclusive: Iowa Pastors Say Michele Bachmann Is 'Biblically Qualified' to be President, Only Choice for Conservative Christians.

At a media availability in just moments at the State Capitol in Des Moines, Iowa, a group of about 25 pastors will get behind Rep. Michele Bachmann.

A campaign release, leaked early to The Brody File, says the group of pastors and faith community leaders will say Bachmann is a "biblically qualified, capable, no-compromise" leader.

The pastors include Brad Sherman of Coralville, Brad Cranston of Burlington, Michael Demastus of Des Moines, Matt Floyd of Osceola, Bill Tvedt of Oskaloosa, Richard Kessler of Richland, Jamie Strickler of Fairfield, and Bernie Hays of Cedar Rapids.

The group also includes Tamara Scott of Norwalk, and former state Rep. Danny Carroll of Grinnell.

In the release, Pastor Matt Floyd said, "The Scriptures make it clear that we should choose leaders who fear God, are capable, trustworthy and keep his commandments. Michele Bachmann does exactly that."

And Tamara Scott said, “We’ve longed for a candidate who wouldn’t compromise on liberty, morality, or national sovereignty. We now have one, only one, and it’s time we support her. Christians understand our duty is to vote virtue and leave the results to God.   Thankfully, the Davids and Gideons of the Bible didn’t look to pollsters or pundits for their success and neither should we.”

37 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:36:21pm

I am honestly sick and freakin' tired of this dominionist crap being injected into our national, political discourse.

As a soon to be former Republican, I say the GOP needs to be dissolved for this anti-American crap.

38 allegro  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:36:45pm

re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Republicans are all about government staying out of your business...just so long as your business doesn't go against government-mandated morals and ethics.

Seems to me they are all up in my business... and every other woman's business.

39 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:36:56pm

re: #34 publicityStunted

Wouldn't you, after seeing this picture? :P (and yes, I know this is the third time I've posted it...but there is no better visual symbol for the douchebaggitude that is Romney. For a bonus auditory assault, look at it while a megawatt stereo system blares "Eye of the Tiger").

standing on a chair makes you a douche?....interesting

40 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:37:12pm

re: #36 Charles

This is no joke; she really is Biblically Qualified: Exclusive: Iowa Pastors Say Michele Bachmann Is 'Biblically Qualified' to be President, Only Choice for Conservative Christians.

I think the last couple months have been one long endorsement for the idea of taking Iowa off the top of the list of primaries.

41 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:37:58pm

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

That's situationally dependent.

And that situation is a calculation about the variables "Do I have to give a shit about other people, do I get to hurt people for not doing what I say, and am I a special snowflake who isn't held to same standard as others?"

If the answers are [No, Yes, Yes] then it's divine revelation. Otherwise its commutelepromptersocialatheisecularism with a side of creeping Sharia.

42 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:38:10pm

Oh jeez. When's it going to end? Enough already with the Bible fakery.

43 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:38:17pm

re: #39 albusteve

standing on a chair makes you a douche?...interesting

That's okay...Romney also ignored the terrified-looking person holding the chair in place :)

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:38:47pm

re: #36 Charles

Dissolved, I say. The sooner, the better.

45 allegro  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:39:04pm

re: #35 moderatelyradicalliberal

But see dear that's what you don't understand. Your womb isn't yours and my womb isn't mine. It's a place to grow babies on behalf of Jesus. To these people you don't really own yourself or your body. To these people rapists have more of a right to decide when they want to be father's than you and I have a right to decide when we want to be mothers.

Fuck them, they can DIAF.

I wish I had more than one upding to give. I also wish I had kept my uterus in a jar at the time of my hysterectomy to mail to these assholes. "Here! You wanted it? It's yours!"

46 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:39:18pm

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

I am honestly sick and freakin' tired of this dominionist crap being injected into our national, political discourse.

As a soon to be former Republican, I say the GOP needs to be dissolved for this anti-American crap.

me too...generally I really don't give a shit about politics but this is beyond serving...it's a social engineering power grab

47 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:39:46pm

re: #38 allegro

Seems to me they are all up in my business... and every other woman's business.

They're just following the teachings of the "Good Book," which if you've skimmed even the cliff notes, takes a very dim view of women in general, but gets especially dark on the subject of independent-minded women.

To quote Dogma:

"Read the Bible again sometime. Women are painted as bigger antagonists than the Egyptians and Romans combined. It stinks. "

48 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:40:18pm

They are all biblically qualified, Obama included.

Render unto seizure the things that are seizure, which is what this gives me.

49 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:41:44pm

re: #34 publicityStunted

Wouldn't you, after seeing this picture? :P (and yes, I know this is the third time I've posted it...but there is no better visual symbol for the douchebaggitude that is Romney. For a bonus auditory assault, look at it while a megawatt stereo system blares "Eye of the Tiger").

Every Obama reelection ad should have this picture at the end. It should be drilled into the American psyche. It will be especially effective if Willard keeps refusing to release his tax filings, which he now says he will consider doing after he's been elected president.

Image: 1182777539_1275.jpg

Can you say rich entitled prick? They look like the Bad Boy records crew from the 1990s. Dolla, dolla bill, ya'll! Seriously, P-Diddy probably thinks this is classless.

50 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:42:11pm

re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal

Romney is a cult member

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:42:11pm

re: #48 Ojoe

There are no "biblical qualifications" to run for office in the States. That's a load of bullshit. Only constitutional qualifications.

Upding for the seizure part, though. That made me laugh.

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:42:50pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Well, if we're going down that road, they are all cults.

53 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:43:06pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Romney is a cult member

the US govt is a cult

54 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:43:16pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Romney is a cult member

And the rest of them aren't?

55 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:43:45pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

Forgot the sarc tag, though Obama listened to Rev. Wright for years, so he's qualified too, was what I thought here.

56 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:44:24pm

1 Timothy 2:11

Translation: Derpty derp.

57 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:44:28pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

All members of multiple ones, if you ask me. GOP is one.

58 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:44:40pm

re: #49 moderatelyradicalliberal

Every Obama reelection ad should have this picture at the end. It should be drilled into the American psyche. It will be especially effective if Willard keeps refusing to release his tax filings, which he now says he will consider doing after he's been elected president.

Image: 1182777539_1275.jpg

Can you say rich entitled prick? They look like the Bad Boy records crew from the 1990s. Dolla, dolla bill, ya'll! Seriously, P-Diddy probably thinks this is classless.

The best nickname I've heard for him came about in recent months: "Mr. 1%." And it fits him so well, because from his appearance to his constant yammering on about being in "the private sector," he is a perfect representative of how out-of-step the GOP is with the common voter.

59 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:45:24pm

Trainwreck. I don't think I've seen so many references to God, the Bible, Christianity, Judeo-Christian, Jesus, or whatever in all my life.

60 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:45:27pm

I have answered the Riddle of Steel, qualifying me for the Office of President of the United States.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:45:57pm

I'm out. See y'all laters.

BTW, feel free to use these with as little discretion as you like. I didn't write them.

62 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:46:04pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Trainwreck. I don't think I've seen so many references to God, the Bible, Christianity, Judeo-Christian, Jesus, or whatever in all my life.

it's chilling

63 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:46:48pm

BBL

64 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:48:14pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Trainwreck. I don't think I've seen so many references to God, the Bible, Christianity, Judeo-Christian, Jesus, or whatever in all my life.

In elections past, I shook my head at the almost fetishistic level of importance placed upon proving to voters that one is a good, devout Christian. Now? It's gone past being simply tacky and straight into "scary shit" territory.

65 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:48:17pm

And I'm sure the good people of Mars would protest!

//

66 Stanghazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:49:25pm

re: #43 publicityStunted

That's okay...Romney also ignored the terrified-looking person holding the chair in place :)

Isn't that one of his sons? Prob paid a nice salary.

67 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:49:33pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have answered the Riddle of Steel, qualifying me for the Office of President of the United States.

Only if you can tell us what is best in life.

68 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:50:24pm

re: #64 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In elections past, I shook my head at the almost fetishistic level of importance placed upon proving to voters that one is a good, devout Christian. Now? It's gone past being simply tacky and straight into "scary shit" territory.

Some folks say it started in the 60s during the first days of the abortion rights movement. My personal experience was during the early part of the 1980s. And I've heard references to God and religion during the campaigns. But never at this level. However, it was there and it was bad enough seeing it then during the early days of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Jimmy Swaggart. It's taken on a life of its own.

69 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:51:04pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Romney is a cult member

I honesty don't think Mormons are more of a cult than any other religion. Was Joseph Smith a con man? Probably. But it may not have been difficult for Moses to climb a mountain, come back with stone tablets that he wrote, claimed God wrote them and totally wowed the Hebrews who were probably largely illiterate after being slaves for 100s of years and had no idea what they were looking at. It's also possible than when the Buddha claimed to have reached a state of enlightenment he was high as damn kite on some shit he found deep in the forest.

I don't care that Romney is a Mormon, that is his least problematic quality.

70 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:51:05pm

re: #64 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In elections past, I shook my head at the almost fetishistic level of importance placed upon proving to voters that one is a good, devout Christian. Now? It's gone past being simply tacky and straight into "scary shit" territory.

I recently read a novel where the plot involved a wackopath Rapture-believing cult leader wanting to set off a dirty bomb in order to precipitate said event. It got me thinking that, if there's anyone you want as far away from the Presidency as possible, it's a Biblical literalist end-times type.

71 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:51:30pm

re: #67 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Only if you can tell us what is best in life.

Why tell when you can sing?!

72 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:52:03pm

War crimes in occupied Babylonia!
No war for frankincense!
/Biblical mmonbat

73 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:52:46pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

War crimes in occupied Babylonia!
No war for frankincense!
/Biblical mmonbat

Merry Christmas!

74 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:52:57pm

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think the last couple months have been one long endorsement for the idea of taking Iowa off the top of the list of primaries.

Iowa has only been first in the nation since the Nixon years...and then it was done because they were feeling ignored and bitching like a bunch of sissies. Now that campaigning never ends, there's too much money involved for the state for them to ever give up their spot...Iowa's economy depends on it. Their 2010 state GDP was 147 million. The Presidential primary is worth about 15% of that every four years.

75 McSpiff  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:53:02pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

War crimes in occupied Babylonia!
No war for frankincense!
/Biblical mmonbat

The Spice must flow!

/bad at memes.

76 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:54:23pm

Holy smokes the moonbats are out in force today on Twitter. Even Buddy Roemer is getting into the act.

77 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:54:41pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Merry Christmas!

OMG! Fema camps!

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:56:06pm

re: #70 publicityStunted

I recently read a novel where the plot involved a wackopath Rapture-believing cult leader wanting to set off a dirty bomb in order to precipitate said event. It got me thinking that, if there's anyone you want as far away from the Presidency as possible, it's a Biblical literalist end-times type.

I guess he had no faith that God could set off the Rapture himself.

79 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:56:14pm

re: #76 Gus 802

Holy smokes the moonbats are out in force today on Twitter. Even Buddy Roemer is getting into the act.

I prefer this take:

DemocratMachine Viva DemocratMachine
The President pledges to not detain Americans indefinitely. Until we win the 2nd term and we can put Frank Luntz in Gitmo. #p2

80 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:57:01pm

Someone registered a little earlier with the name 'captaincoon'. I'm not having a good feeling about this one.

81 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:57:06pm

re: #78 moderatelyradicalliberal

I guess he had no faith that God could set off the Rapture himself.

And, like about half of the Rapture-ready, skipped over that line about "you won't know the day, you won't know the hour."

82 SteelGHAZI  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:57:17pm

The stupid. It burns.

83 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:57:43pm

re: #80 Charles

Someone registered a little earlier with the name 'captaincoon'. I'm not having a good feeling about this one.

We will be vigilant.

84 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:57:53pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

And, like about half of the Rapture-ready, skipped over that line about "you won't know the day, you won't know the hour."

They are probably really pissing off God by trying to figure it out.

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:58:17pm

re: #70 publicityStunted

I recently read a novel where the plot involved a wackopath Rapture-believing cult leader wanting to set off a dirty bomb in order to precipitate said event. It got me thinking that, if there's anyone you want as far away from the Presidency as possible, it's a Biblical literalist end-times type.

Oh, considering this field, I have no fear of some true wackadoodle winning the White House. My worry is that we'll get Romney or Newt, who will allow a Cantor-led House and a McConnell-led Senate to lead them by nose. It's not the guy in the White House that worries me, its the ones on Capital Hill who currently scare the shit out of me.

86 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:58:20pm

re: #80 Charles

I'm sure he's just one of these:

Image: officer-raccoon-police-resident-evil-patch-badge-10ad.jpg

87 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:58:20pm

Statement by the President on H.R. 1540:

Bla blah blah blah blah

Translation: As long as my hands aren't tied I'll do what I want anyways.

88 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 1:59:41pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, considering this field, I have no fear of some true wackadoodle winning the White House. My worry is that we'll get Romney or Newt, who will allow a Cantor-led House and a McConnell-led Senate to lead them by nose. It's not the guy in the White House that worries me, its the ones on Capital Hill who currently scare the shit out of me.

It's the people who vote for them that scare the shit out of me.

89 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:00:00pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Statement by the President on H.R. 1540:

Translation: As long as my hands aren't tied I'll do what I want anyways.

I give the Won more credit for that than anything else

90 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:00:18pm

New 'Dead Sea Scrolls' found by a group of Iowa pastors: qualifications for American president miraculously set down in visionary, future-oriented scripture!

Exclusive: Iowa Pastors Say Michele Bachmann Is 'Biblically Qualified' to be President, Only Choice for Conservative Christians

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:00:47pm

re: #69 moderatelyradicalliberal

Unlike with Moses, at least we can be sure Smith existed ;)

92 Kragar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:01:36pm
93 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:02:23pm

re: #91 Sergey Romanov

Unlike with Moses, at least we can be sure Smith existed ;)

Smith: 1

Moses: 0

But Moses has a much better story.

94 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:03:16pm

re: #88 moderatelyradicalliberal

Speaking of which, I had to defriend a High School Acquaintance yesterday. Her constant advocacy of Ron Paul and echo chamberiness was grating. Not to mention she was acting the stereotype of a College Libertarian.

95 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:03:49pm

re: #89 albusteve

I give the Won more credit for that than anything else

Yeah, it seem the whole issue has been about maintaining flexibility of the President to make the decision.

96 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:04:03pm

@NASAJPL:
Burn complete! #GRAIL-A is now orbiting the moon and awaiting the arrival of its twin #GRAIL-B on New Year's Day.

97 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:04:12pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, considering this field, I have no fear of some true wackadoodle winning the White House. My worry is that we'll get Romney or Newt, who will allow a Cantor-led House and a McConnell-led Senate to lead them by nose. It's not the guy in the White House that worries me, its the ones on Capital Hill who currently scare the shit out of me.

The dominionist/religious fanatics (scary as I find them) are the outside shot in terms of getting absolute control of the nation, but what I worry about is that they seem to understand that you don't just leap for throne. They're trying to influence things in local politics nudge by nudge...there is also the extended, moderately successful, and against-the-Uniform-Code to proselytize amongst military officers. I do fear the any (R) executive is going to pander to them in their legislative agenda and their court appointments.

98 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:04:20pm

Biblically Qual

???

i don't think she cloves the hoof or chews the cud...

99 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:05:41pm

re: #94 ProLifeLiberal

Speaking of which, I had to defriend a High School Acquaintance yesterday. Her constant advocacy of Ron Paul and echo chamberiness was grating. Not to mention she was acting the stereotype of a College Libertarian.

I'm afraid the Paulites will be with us for a long time. I can see him staying the race until the GOP convention. If it weren't for the fact that it would hurt his son, I could see him going third party.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:05:50pm

re: #80 Charles

Someone registered a little earlier with the name 'captaincoon'. I'm not having a good feeling about this one.

Uh, Charles. Not for nothing, but there was that creationist dude that flounced out over the evolution stuff. Him and his lot call themselves "racoons". I don't recall his nic, but here's a cached link to his site.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:07:42pm

re: #93 moderatelyradicalliberal

Smith: 1

Moses: 0

But Moses has a much better story.

Yet Moses also has a history of genocide. Seems like Smith is not such a bad guy in comparison ;)

102 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:08:09pm

re: #93 moderatelyradicalliberal

Smith: 1

Moses: 0

But Moses has a much better story.

two words...
Mountain Meadows

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:09:05pm

I consider myself decently familiar with the Hebrew scriptures, and I know a little about the Greek ones. (One of my goals this year is to read the whole of the Greek testament properly through.)

I haven't ever seen the passage where they discuss the qualifications to be President of the United States. The only document I've ever seen outline that, actually, is the Constitution. Of the United States.

Can someone direct me to this odd bit of prophecy?

104 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:09:58pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Yet Moses also has a history of genocide. Seems like Smith is not such a bad guy in comparison ;)

Oh I don't know about that.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

105 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:10:00pm

[Link: news.daylife.com...]

"My expensive digital camera is too heavy. My tiara is too tight and clashes with my gold earrings!"

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:10:15pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

They're dominionists, my friend. They can make the bible say whatever they want it to say.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:10:51pm

re: #3 Obdicut

She's a woman. I don't think the Bible was really all that strong on female leaders.

There are some. I'm sure the people promoting this would point out Miriam and Deborah's track records. Shlomtzion is remembered as a great queen, but she's considerably post-Biblical.

108 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:11:28pm

re: #104 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh I don't know about that.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know, tho. By that time Smith's been long dead.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:11:34pm

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, are they running for President or Messiah?

She's DEFINITELY not qualified to be Moshiach, unless there are things about the Bachmann family tree I don't know.

110 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:11:36pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

[Link: news.daylife.com...]

"My expensive digital camera is too heavy. My tiara is too tight and clashes with my gold earrings!"

desperate, crying to be sprayed

111 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:11:58pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I consider myself decently familiar with the Hebrew scriptures, and I know a little about the Greek ones. (One of my goals this year is to read the whole of the Greek testament properly through.)

I haven't ever seen the passage where they discuss the qualifications to be President of the United States. The only document I've ever seen outline that, actually, is the Constitution. Of the United States.

Can someone direct me to this odd bit of prophecy?

You know I could be totally wrong, but it may even be possible that the Hebrews were unaware of a place called the United States. Perhaps they though it had been lost in the Great Flood?

112 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:11:58pm

re: #104 moderatelyradicalliberal

That wasn't Smith.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:12:13pm

re: #11 mattand

Yeah, the Bible isn't exactly big on the whole equality thing. You'd think a Biblical "scholar" like Michelle would pick up on that.

Nothing in the Bible that says a woman can't be president.

Nothing in the Constitution that says a Cylon can't be president.

Keep UP people!

114 Charleston Chew  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:12:31pm

I assume this means that a burning bush told her she's qualified to command a nuclear arsenal capable of destroying all of human civilization many times over.

That's reassuring. (I'll be submitting this to the Guinness Book of World Records for "most sarcasm in 2 words or less".)

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:12:39pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And probably was schizophrenic

Pretty damn good general for a schizophrenic.

116 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:12:45pm

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

I know, tho. By that time Smith's been long dead.

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

I know, tho. By that time Smith's been long dead.

his spirit participated....guilty

117 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:13:06pm

re: #99 moderatelyradicalliberal

My opinion of Kelly Clarkson plunged with her endorsement of Ron Paul.

Though, I only felt 'meh' about her at best. Decent songs, but not really any sort of passion there. I couldn't tell you the lyrics to her songs if I tried.

Not so with Taylor Swift. I got at least 3-4 song memorized (in part or whole) in my head.

re: #102 albusteve

That's just a start.

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:13:19pm

re: #116 albusteve

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

his spirit participated...guilty

Don't believe in spirits, sorry.

119 Winny Spencer  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:13:52pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Romney is a cult member

Here we go again.

120 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:14:05pm

re: #118 Sergey Romanov

Don't believe in spirits, sorry.

they do tho...guilty

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:14:50pm

re: #119 Winny Spencer

Here we go again.

Another conservative? //

122 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:14:53pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Doesn't God get pissed and smite Miriam? And didn't Deborah just convince some dude to go to war?

123 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:14:59pm

re: #112 Obdicut

That wasn't Smith.

You're right. That was BY. I believe he is also responsible for denying black men the priesthood and claiming Africans and their descendants had no souls. Yeah, that's the one I've got beef with. Smith just wanted to make some money, smoke some weed and bone lots of chicks.

124 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:15:02pm

re: #112 Obdicut

He still has some stuff against him though. For example, his death was instigated by the fact that a newspaper in or near the town of Nauvoo was printing critical stories about him. He had it destroyed.

There is much more than that though.

125 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:15:05pm

re: #110 albusteve

desperate, crying to be sprayed

I wouldn't waste the peppery goodness on her when there's a hippie with a banjo nearby.

126 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:15:26pm

re: #117 ProLifeLiberal

I don't know who Kelly Clarkson is. I'm content.

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:16:01pm

re: #120 albusteve

they do tho...guilty

They don't believe he participated

128 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:16:10pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Pretty damn good general for a schizophrenic.

Everybody has their moments.

129 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:16:16pm

re: #123 moderatelyradicalliberal

Young's culpability is also not proven.

130 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:16:51pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't waste the peppery goodness on her when there's a hippie with a banjo nearby.

a left handed banjo player?....FREAK!

131 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:17:08pm

re: #126 Obdicut

American Idol winner from a few years ago.

Again, my Top 5 Favorite Music peoples are:

Bon Jovi
Queen
Nightwish
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Taylor Swift

One of these is not like the others.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:17:23pm

re: #111 moderatelyradicalliberal

You know I could be totally wrong, but it may even be possible that the Hebrews were unaware of a place called the United States. Perhaps they though it had been lost in the Great Flood?

There's an Ethiopian-Israeli comedian who has a great line about how Ethiopia is mentioned X number of times in the Torah. "Poland? Not so many."

133 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:18:06pm

re: #127 Sergey Romanov

They don't believe he participated

accuracy was never the point...I simply slammed Mormons for the massacre

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:18:56pm

re: #133 albusteve

accuracy was never the point...I simply slammed Mormons for the massacre

Oh, Ok. I'll slam you Americans for the massacre then. You, Steve, are guilty.

135 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:19:05pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably because most of Europe was backwater bunghole when the stories in the Torah were occurring.

136 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:19:12pm

re: #131 ProLifeLiberal

American Idol winner from a few years ago.

Again, my Top 5 Favorite Music peoples are:

Bon Jovi
Queen
Nightwish
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Taylor Swift

One of these is not like the others.

no Lenningrad Cowboys?....for shame

137 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:19:41pm
OFFER - Male personal protection - Pacifica
Posted by: "stevanp"
Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:38 pm (PST)


Being offered are four groin guards w/ cups my young son used while studying the martial arts. It's important to note that they are clean.

Sizes are one - Regular and three - Large.

How many penises does his kid have?

138 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:20:05pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

Oh, Ok. I'll slam you Americans for the massacre then. You, Steve, are guilty.

I was in Bohemia at the time fighting the Turks...look it up

139 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:20:17pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

Uh, Charles. Not for nothing, but there was that creationist dude that flounced out over the evolution stuff. Him and his lot call themselves "racoons". I don't recall his nic, but here's a cached link to his site.

That dude's a stalker. Reminds me that Gagdad Bob and his flouncy gang were into racoons too. Odd.

140 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:20:41pm

re: #138 albusteve

I was in Bohemia at the time fighting the Turks...look it up

You were there in your heart.

141 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:21:53pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I consider myself decently familiar with the Hebrew scriptures, and I know a little about the Greek ones. (One of my goals this year is to read the whole of the Greek testament properly through.)

I haven't ever seen the passage where they discuss the qualifications to be President of the United States. The only document I've ever seen outline that, actually, is the Constitution. Of the United States.

Can someone direct me to this odd bit of prophecy?

oh, i think i see your mistake: you've been reading the regular, old fashioned bible, which is only meant for qualified preachers and weird esoteric scholars that nobody listens to

please check the Boy's and Girl's Big Golden Book E-Z Evangelical Bible™ instead and you'll never be bothered by "questions" or "doubt"

142 Charleston Chew  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:22:05pm

I finally watched Downfall (Der Untergang, 2004) last night. Not trying to Godwin the thread (or the GOP), but it did make me feel a little less confident that crazy people inevitably "crap out" before attaining dangerous levels of power.

143 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:22:10pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

There's an Ethiopian-Israeli comedian who has a great line about how Ethiopia is mentioned X number of times in the Torah. "Poland? Not so many."

I've heard Ethiopian be referred to as Beta Israel. Ethiopians and Somalians are some of the prettiest people on the planet.

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

Ah, that's the nic. Good memory. I only recognized the graphic as it's former avatar.

145 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:22:47pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Oh, go soak your head or something...

146 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:23:43pm

re: #142 Charleston Chew

I finally watched Downfall (Der Untergang, 2004) last night. Not trying to Godwin the thread (or the GOP), but it did make me feel a little less confident that crazy people inevitably "crap out" before attaining dangerous levels of power.

I think the whole arc of human history should have disabused you of this notion. Being crazy enough to shit other people won't is a very good way to get power.

147 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:24:35pm

re: #143 moderatelyradicalliberal

I've heard Ethiopian be referred to as Beta Israel. Ethiopians and Somalians are some of the prettiest people on the planet.

I'm mostly Ethiopian, some Somali in there too

148 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:24:50pm

re: #135 ProLifeLiberal

Probably because most of Europe was backwater bunghole when the stories in the Torah were occurring.

there were interesting things happening in (pre-historic) europe at this time but you have to dig around in archeology to find out about them

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:25:03pm

re: #122 Obdicut

Doesn't God get pissed and smite Miriam? And didn't Deborah just convince some dude to go to war?

Yes, God gets angry at both Aaron and Miriam when they get in Moses' face about his wife, but Miriam is considered a great leader and prophet. Deborah judged the people, convinced Barak to go to war, accompanied him when he didn't think he could rally the tribes himself, and retained political control after his victory, which was clinched by another woman who is publically praised for having offed the enemy commander.

Torah assumes a male-dominated society, but there is very little to indicate that female leaders are not seen as entirely qualified, or that women did not have considerable authority in their own families and tribal units.

150 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:25:11pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, that's the nic. Good memory. I only recognized the graphic as it's former avatar.

Same guy? The one you linked to is "Bunk" at the stalker blogs. Not as smart as Gagdad, seems to me. Who had his own blog and a kind of cultish following.

151 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:25:52pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, that's the nic. Good memory. I only recognized the graphic as it's former avatar.

And it took some brain-wracking to pry that out of my noggin.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:26:13pm

re: #135 ProLifeLiberal

Probably because most of Europe was backwater bunghole when the stories in the Torah were occurring.

Well, yes, and also, people in the region just weren't much aware of anything north of, say, the coast of Spain.

153 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:27:01pm

re: #142 Charleston Chew

I finally watched Downfall (Der Untergang, 2004) last night. Not trying to Godwin the thread (or the GOP), but it did make me feel a little less confident that crazy people inevitably "crap out" before attaining dangerous levels of power.

Excellent movie, eh?

154 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:27:08pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yes, and also, people in the region just weren't much aware of anything north of, say, the coast of Spain.

And they probably thought Spain was full of dragons!

155 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:27:22pm

re: #80 Charles

Someone registered a little earlier with the name 'captaincoon'. I'm not having a good feeling about this one.

Image: Got_A_Bad_feeling.jpg

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:27:42pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

Ah, perhaps you are correct. So many emotionally disturbed stalkers out there, I tend to get them confused.

157 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:28:24pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Which they didn't need to be. Not like there was any trade going out there at the time.

158 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:29:00pm

re: #111 moderatelyradicalliberal

You know I could be totally wrong, but it may even be possible that the Hebrews were unaware of a place called the United States. Perhaps they though it had been lost in the Great Flood?

Also lost: the endnotes G-D was going to provide for the Ten Commandments.

(yes, I know this is contradictory of the order of events in the OT)

159 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:29:38pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Romney is a cult member

Thank you Ojoe for reminding us all what the natural extension of anti religious zealotry offers us.

160 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:29:51pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it seem the whole issue has been about maintaining flexibility of the President to make the decision.

Hahaha! Look!

@papajohn56 papajohn56
@Gus_802 Yes because indefinite detention is truly American. Obama = Bush

161 Charleston Chew  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:30:01pm

re: #131 ProLifeLiberal

American Idol winner from a few years ago.

Again, my Top 5 Favorite Music peoples are:

Bon Jovi
Queen
Nightwish
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Taylor Swift

One of these is not like the others.

Many years ago I would have made fun of music like that as "cheesy", but then I got an iPod, and discovered my appreciation of music greatly broadened when I could buy virtually any music on impulse and keep it in a little box where no one can see or hear it. ABBA Gold, Zanadu soundtrack, and 50 Cent all tucked away in my secret music diary.

162 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:30:34pm

re: #157 ProLifeLiberal

Which they didn't need to be. Not like there was any trade going out there at the time.

wrong...wherever there are people, there is trade...you'd be surprised at how far reaching trade probably was in ancient times

163 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:31:14pm

re: #143 moderatelyradicalliberal

I've heard Ethiopian be referred to as Beta Israel. Ethiopians and Somalians are some of the prettiest people on the planet.

Iman...who's married and has kids with David Bowie.

Those children are probably the Kwisatz Haderach or something.

164 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:31:51pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

I think I got stuff I can find to do for a few hours.

See ya all later

165 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:32:07pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Hahaha! Look!

@papajohn56 papajohn56
@Gus_802 Yes because indefinite detention is truly American. Obama = Bush

That reminds me; What happened to the Larouche crowd. They showed up for the Tea Parties but seem absent at OWS.

166 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:33:32pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

That reminds me; What happened to the Larouche crowd. They showed up for the Tea Parties but seem absent at OWS.

They know who butters their bread.

167 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:33:46pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

That reminds me; What happened to the Larouche crowd. They showed up for the Tea Parties but seem absent at OWS.

OWS, Tea Party, far-left. Hard to tell the difference anymore. They all hate Obama AND Bush.

168 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:34:03pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

That reminds me; What happened to the Larouche crowd. They showed up for the Tea Parties but seem absent at OWS.

their patent expired and they were overwhelmed by the competition

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:34:10pm

re: #143 moderatelyradicalliberal

I've heard Ethiopian be referred to as Beta Israel. Ethiopians and Somalians are some of the prettiest people on the planet.

Yeah, East Africa is Beautiful People Central.

Back in the 1980s, we called the Ethiopian Jews 'Falashas', not aware that that was actually a slur. They call themselves the Beta Israel, which is used now, and Israelis just say 'yehudi etiyopiah', Ethiopian Jews. Really amazing community. They practice a form of Judaism that bypassed the rabbinic tradition, and is very different from what everyone else does.

The Biblical name for the area is "Kush", and actually, getting back to Miriam, the story is that she and Aaron fight with Moses over his wife, 'a Kushite woman'. Since his wife has already been described as a Midianite, there's some confusion--is this Tziporah, is this someone else he marries, what's going on? One interpretation I've heard, actually, is that since the women of Ethiopia were known to be beautiful, this is Tziporah, and referring to her as a Kushite is shorthand for saying she's gorgeous.

170 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:34:13pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout
I saw a member of the Larouche crowd handing out some leaflets the other day. I think it had something to do with how evil the NYSE is.

171 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:34:15pm

re: #162 albusteve

wrong...wherever there are people, there is trade...you'd be surprised at how far reaching trade probably was in ancient times

There's constant reassessment of the extent of reach of trade in favor of "more contact." And that just the archaeological record. If you consider that in between sedentary civilization there were often pastoralist groups that acted as a part of a flow of goods, services, and ideas, there was probably even more contact.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:35:31pm

re: #157 ProLifeLiberal

Which they didn't need to be. Not like there was any trade going out there at the time.

For most of the period of the Torah, Egypt is the powerhouse nation.

173 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:36:04pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

That reminds me; What happened to the Larouche crowd. They showed up for the Tea Parties but seem absent at OWS.

Actually, one of the videos you posted showed a bunch of Larouchies ranting about conspiracies. Don't remember which one offhand.

174 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:36:09pm

re: #161 Charleston Chew

Most people know my taste in music, even in real life. When Nightwish's "Imaginarium" comes out in the US in 11 days, I will get it, and Taylor Swift's "Speak Now." (Imaginarium was released in Europe on 11/30, and made 2x Platinum in Finland in 24 hours. Metal is still big over there.)

re: #162 albusteve

Maybe in small amounts, but nothing significant.

175 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:36:09pm

re: #157 ProLifeLiberal

Which they didn't need to be. Not like there was any trade going out there at the time.

celtic expansion in central europe, 1000 - 200 bc

In the period from 1000 B.C. to 1 A.D., the Celts conquered and settled much of western and central Europe, acquiring wealth through raids and conquests. Archaeological evidence suggests that they mastered sophisticated metalworking technology and engaged in trade with distant partners. By the end of the period, Celtic society had attained relative stability, punctuated by increasing conflict with armies of the Roman empire.

176 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:36:22pm

re: #171 The Ghost of a Flea

There's constant reassessment of the extent of reach of trade in favor of "more contact." And that just the archaeological record. If you consider that in between sedentary civilization there were often pastoralist groups that acted as a part of a flow of goods, services, and ideas, there was probably even more contact.

exactly...and the flow of ideas moved through those same people

177 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:37:21pm

re: #173 Charles

Actually, one of the videos you posted showed a bunch of Larouchies ranting about conspiracies. Don't remember which one offhand.

Huh, I don't seem to remember it. I suppose they're still around OWS but they blend in more than they did with the Tea Party.

178 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:38:00pm

re: #175 engineer dog

I'll be damned. I wish they would have had records, so it was more well known.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:38:06pm

re: #163 The Ghost of a Flea

Iman...who's married and has kids with David Bowie.

Those children are probably the Kwisatz Haderach or something.

One of the bloggers I read has a white father and black mother. Her son was looking at pictures of Bowie and Iman, and he said, "So David Bowie is kind of like Grandpa, right?"

She asked him what he meant, and he said, "Well, they're both musicians, and they both married black supermodels."

Massive cute.

180 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:38:13pm

re: #176 albusteve

exactly...and the flow of ideas moved through those same people

I see now you alluded to that...my bad...
the point is ideas were as valuable as goods

181 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:39:36pm

re: #174 ProLifeLiberal

Most people know my taste in music, even in real life. When Nightwish's "Imaginarium" comes out in the US in 11 days, I will get it, and Taylor Swift's "Speak Now." (Imaginarium was released in Europe on 11/30, and made 2x Platinum in Finland in 24 hours. Metal is still big over there.)

re: #162 albusteve

Maybe in small amounts, but nothing significant.

it's all significant regardless of amount...my point is that civilization grew nicely in those times

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:39:44pm

So, seriously, what do they mean by "Biblically qualified"? They must be basing this on something.

183 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:40:33pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

So, seriously, what do they mean by "Biblically qualified"? They must be basing this on something.

power...divine power

184 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:41:17pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
Her view of the bible and her life./ Honestly I can't figure it out.

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:41:25pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

The same thing they base their YEC on. Bupkis.

186 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:42:25pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth
Bupkis. I think you are on to something.

187 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:43:00pm
188 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:43:38pm

Arrests at White House Over NDAA Military Detention of Americans, Occupy Wall Street Joins Fight.


Between this and Iran there's not much love for Obama on Dkos these days. I thought they might be turning after the Glenn Greenwald/Cenk Uygur thing but maybe not.
189 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:44:21pm

re: #178 ProLifeLiberal

I'll be damned. I wish they would have had records, so it was more well known.

yah, there aren't any written records to speak of before the period 800-600 bc and then mostly in greece, although there is writing from the 1500 bc era in crete which however is little more than records of purchases and storerooms

one of the most popular books on the archaeological record of europe in the late neolithic is Marija Gimbutas' The Civilization of the Goddess: The World of Old Europe

190 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:44:32pm

re: #176 albusteve

exactly...and the flow of ideas moved through those same people

My dad...I'm not sure if he got it published, but he once proposed that nomads--and in particular those that provided goods and services to sedentary populations, like European Roma (who used to be tinkers, entertainers, etc) were a "vector" by which intellectual and technological novelty were communicated from region to region. Not that they were intentionally "educating" people, but that it was a beneficial part of their economy to introduce new things...up to and including the professional storytellers and entertainers, whose only "product" was novelty.

191 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:45:08pm

Later, lizards.

Happy New Year!

See y'all Monday.

192 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:45:56pm

re: #191 wrenchwench
Happy New Year to you too.

193 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:45:58pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

So, seriously, what do they mean by "Biblically qualified"? They must be basing this on something.

Well...Samuel anointed Saul, right?

Has the US congressional chaplain been out to see anyone?

194 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:46:57pm

re: #190 The Ghost of a Flea

My dad...I'm not sure if he got it published, but he once proposed that nomads--and in particular those that provided goods and services to sedentary populations, like European Roma (who used to be tinkers, entertainers, etc) were a "vector" by which intellectual and technological novelty were communicated from region to region. Not that they were intentionally "educating" people, but that it was a beneficial part of their economy to introduce new things...up to and including the professional storytellers and entertainers, whose only "product" was novelty.

I'm in his camp...he was correct
commerce and new ideas is the engine of growth

195 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:46:59pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Candidates join Perry's Virginia lawsuit

Idiots.

Gingrich's problem isn't state law, it's incompetence on his part. And isn't it funny how state's rights don't matter when they affect you personally.

"We hired somebody who turned in false signatures. We turned in 11,100 – we needed 10,000 – 1,500 of them were by one guy who frankly committed fraud,” Gingrich said.

196 Charleston Chew  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:48:22pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Excellent movie, eh?

I thought it was disciplined in its presentation (which other people found boring) in that it neither over-dramatized or glossed over things. It took the time to show Magda Goebbels poison all her children, for instance. (I did laugh at the end of the scene where a general kills his family with a hand grenade and they cut to the girl's dolly. An old cliche.)

It's easy to criticize a movie like that for omissions, but I like that it set a goal of depicting a specific series of events and then tried to not "overthink" it. I know nothing of its accuracy, but would defend that type of picture against accusations of "humanizing" evil people because the real danger is in assuming that "stuff like that can't happen to me. I only know humans, after all. That shit only happens to the elves in the Word Of Warcraft." I think it's best to understand dangerous psychology at it most mundane because that's where it can be stopped, before it becomes so monstrous they write about it in history books. If only someone had helped weird little Adolf work through his feelings of hostility back when he was just some "nobody".

197 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:49:39pm

re: #195 darthstar

Gingrich's problem isn't state law, it's incompetence on his part. And isn't it funny how state's rights don't matter when they affect you personally.

Funny thing being that most, if not all, of those suing will drop out before the Virginia primary anyway.

198 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:51:55pm

re: #193 EmmmieG

Well...Samuel anointed Saul, right?

Has the US congressional chaplain been out to see anyone?

The pastors that are doing this re/ Michelle Bachmann are probably imagining themselves as filling the role of Samuel. Particularly since most of them have churches that look down upon other congregations as not or less Christian for not holding their political views.

/with apologies for the serious answer to a witty statement.

199 Winny Spencer  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:53:42pm

I'm gonna log off now, so I'll wish you all a happy new year.

And Gus, watch out for those emoprogs.

Catch you in 2012.

200 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:54:07pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Nothing in the Bible that says a woman can't be president.

Nothing in the Constitution that says a Cylon can't be president.

Keep UP people!

I vote for Caprica 6!!

201 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:54:11pm

Why is it a positive to say that "compromise" is a bad thing as the Bachmann signs indicate? Dictators don't compromise, but democracy DEMANDS it.

Happy New Year, everyone.

202 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:55:34pm

re: #201 _RememberTonyC
As I stated before these folks never heard of Henry Clay.

203 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:56:32pm

@Glennobot Glennobot
New @ggreenwald post at Salon (with 392 updates): "NDAA Disappointingly Less Outrageous Than I Predicted But Obama Still Worse Than Pol Pot"

204 Charleston Chew  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:56:55pm

re: #195 darthstar

Gingrich's problem isn't state law, it's incompetence on his part. And isn't it funny how state's rights don't matter when they affect you personally.

Conservatives are so quick to forget such things, along with "tort reform" and their complaints about a "culture of victimhood/entitlement" and "activist judges" when something bad happens to THEM.

205 dell*nix  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:58:34pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Idiot does not have a clue as to how evil Pol Pot was. Seriously ruthless. Total sociopath.

206 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 2:59:18pm

re: #205 dell*nix

Idiot does not have a clue as to how evil Pol Pot was. Seriously ruthless. Total sociopath.

Keep in mind that that is a parody account. He's making fun out of Greenwad.

207 dell*nix  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:00:50pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Ahh! Did not read the link. I watched from Thailand as the lights went out in Cambodia. Not pleasant at all.

208 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:00:59pm

re: #194 albusteve

I'm in his camp...he was correct
commerce and new ideas is the engine of growth

No, it's all tax cuts, silly.

209 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:02:43pm

re: #195 darthstar

Gingrich's problem isn't state law, it's incompetence on his part. And isn't it funny how state's rights don't matter when they affect you personally.

It's what he gets for hiring ACORN.

Heh.

210 wilburs  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:03:29pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Candidates join Perry's Virginia lawsuit

Idiots.

I love their reasoning

"VA should add us to the ballot because our lawsuit will be too expensive for them to defend."

211 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:04:42pm

re: #210 wilburs

I love their reasoning

"VA should add us to the ballot because our lawsuit will be too expensive for them to defend."

"Republican Challenger To Be Determined by Nuisance Suit".

212 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:05:11pm

re: #201 _RememberTonyC

Why is it a positive to say that "compromise" is a bad thing as the Bachmann signs indicate? Dictators don't compromise, but democracy DEMANDS it.

Happy New Year, everyone.

The hinted-at answer is that Bachmann et al view the demos as only people who agree with them to some extent, and therefore get to participate in the arche: "compromise" is what occurs within the authoritarian-with-theological-topping sub-segment they views as "true" US citizens.

213 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:08:27pm

Thermal clothing is teh bomb.

214 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:10:38pm

How arrogant can you get?

215 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:11:13pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Thermal clothing is teh bomb.

Filled with chemicals, explosive, and half the time buried?

216 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:13:34pm

re: #215 EmmmieG

Filled with chemicals, explosive, and half the time buried?

These lazy government workers only work a 2-hr day:

[Link: xmb.stuffucanuse.com...]

217 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:13:38pm

Okay, one last rant, related to nothing else on the thread:

Why is Jan 1 a holiday and Dec 31 is not? Most of the partying goes down tonight. As near as I can tell, the only two traditional activities of Jan 1, other than trying to make it home safe, are looking for the aspirin and resolving to lose weight.

I propose they split the holiday. From 4 pm on Dec 31 to 4 pm on Jan 1 is a holiday.

218 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:15:16pm

And by the way, my friends, Happy New Year from Bedfordshire, UK. She Who Must Be Obeyed is in the next room playing jigs and reels with a bunch of UK friends. Warm(ish) here. Over 50F the last couple of days. Nice!

We are leaving Monday for DC to (finally) plant my mom on top of my dad in Arlington, where she can ride his ass for eternity. Hope you are all well!

(Oh, it's 11:14 pm here. Port and poppers here at midnight, and no, please don't go there...)

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:16:35pm

re: #217 EmmmieG

Unless I'm invited to a party that I can walk to in under ten minutes, I'll just do the same thing I do every night.

220 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:17:26pm

re: #218 austin_blue

And by the way, my friends, Happy New Year from Bedfordshire, UK. She Who Must Be Obeyed is in the next room playing jigs and reels with a bunch of UK friends. Warm(ish) here. Over 50F the last couple of days. Nice!

We are leaving Monday for DC to (finally) plant my mom on top of my dad in Arlington, where she can ride his ass for eternity. Hope you are all well!

(Oh, it's 11:14 pm here. Port and poppers here at midnight, and no, please don't go there...)

Forgive me but...
O_o

221 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:18:56pm

re: #218 austin_blue
That sound great. I like port.

222 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:19:55pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Forgive me but...
O_o

No, really, sober.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness post. It's the Irish in me.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:20:42pm

Happy New Year's everyone. Places to go and relatives to annoy.

224 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:21:03pm

re: #222 austin_blue

No, really, sober.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness post. It's the Irish in me.

Every bog-stomper thinks he's James Joyce.

225 Lidane  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:21:49pm

LOL forever @ "Biblically qualified". What a load of nonsense. Also, wrong:

"Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings." -- Proverbs 31:3, KJV

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." -- 1 Timothy 2:11-14, KJV

A woman would never be considered a legitimate leader if you follow the Bible.

226 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:22:17pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

Every bog-stomper thinks he's James Joyce.

We're all poets, dammit!

227 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:22:51pm

re: #226 austin_blue

We're all poets, dammit!

"Up the long ladder and down the short rope"...

228 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:24:12pm

re: #225 Lidane

LOL forever @ "Biblically qualified". What a load of nonsense. Also, wrong:

A woman would never be considered a legitimate leader if you follow the Bible.

Paul, nee Saul, Misogynist for Christ.

229 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:24:47pm

for the brain dead...
some SRV

230 Lidane  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:26:21pm

re: #228 austin_blue

Paul, nee Saul, Misogynist for Christ.

One of many, many reasons why I'm not religious now.

231 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:26:46pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

"Up the long ladder and down the short rope"...

Oh, yeah? Well..ummm..

Up your hole with a Mello Roll! And..and..

Up your ass with Mobil gas!!

Ahem..as I said, poets.

232 engineer cat  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:27:00pm

2012 sounds exciting what with the election

i can't wait to be shut of 2011 since it hasn't been the kindest to me personally

big party to go to which should last till dawn if i can stand to be there that long. i intend to try out some fancy rye whiskey people have been telling me about

then sunday there's the ex-niece's 17th b-day party - she's studying japanese, so i've gotten here some books on japanese insults and slang

oh, and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL AND SUNDRY!

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:30:52pm

re: #225 Lidane

LOL forever @ "Biblically qualified". What a load of nonsense. Also, wrong:

A woman would never be considered a legitimate leader if you follow the Bible.

Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading[a] Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided.

234 Lidane  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:32:34pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

Unfortunately, the fundie evangelicals follow Paul more than they do anyone or anything else in the Bible. It's why they're so big on women being submissive to men.

Bachmann would never be considered legitimate by the same fundies she's aligned herself with. They don't want a woman in power.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:33:52pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading[a] Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided.

"Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I but also all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks."

236 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:33:55pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading[a] Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided.

Just an early Hadassah get-together.

237 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:34:20pm

re: #229 albusteve

for the brain dead...
some SRV

[Video]

His statue in Austin. It's a five minute walk from the house:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:35:11pm

re: #234 Lidane

Unfortunately, the fundie evangelicals follow Paul more than they do anyone or anything else in the Bible. It's why they're so big on women being submissive to men.

Bachmann would never be considered legitimate by the same fundies she's aligned herself with. They don't want a woman in power.

Oh, true. And I don't think Bachmann is qualified to be president in any sense. And we've already seen some disagreement amongst them about whether running a woman is OK.

But I like pointing out that the role of women in the Bible is not exactly what these people like to fantasize.

239 albusteve  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:35:55pm

re: #237 austin_blue

His statue in Austin. It's a five minute walk from the house:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

been there a couple of times...nice park

240 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:36:57pm

re: #225 Lidane

LOL forever @ "Biblically qualified". What a load of nonsense. Also, wrong:

A woman would never be considered a legitimate leader if you follow the Bible.

Ur reedin it rong.
/

241 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:37:50pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
Here is a Talmudic scholar and (gasp, shock and "horror") a woman. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:38:00pm

re: #240 Slumbering Behemoth

Ur reedin it rong.
/

Earlier this year, Bryan Fischer went so far as to say that he didn't think a woman should be president. I think Bachmann's people called him, because a couple of days later he wrote another column, saying that maybe it was OK, if the woman was a really special, called, woman.

243 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:38:42pm

I'm going to be interviewed on the Zev Brenner show this New Year's eve on the stroke of midnight, WMCA 570AM in the New York area. The topic will be the gender segregation issue in Israel. I was invited because of my unique experience, which I explained in this blog post.

So if you're not completely shitfaced, please tune in.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:39:31pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Here is a Talmudic scholar and (gasp, shock and "horror") a woman. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]

Bruriah is very famous. There are several girls' yeshivot named after her today.

Hell, in seventeenth century Kurdistan, of all places, you get a famous lady Torah scholar, Asnat Barezani.

245 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:39:44pm

re: #243 Alouette

I'm going to be interviewed on the Zev Brenner show this New Year's eve on the stroke of midnight, WMCA 570AM in the New York area. The topic will be the gender segregation issue in Israel. I was invited because of my unique experience, which I explained in this blog post.

So if you're not completely shitfaced, please tune in.

Good luck!

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:40:00pm

re: #243 Alouette

I'm going to be interviewed on the Zev Brenner show this New Year's eve on the stroke of midnight, WMCA 570AM in the New York area. The topic will be the gender segregation issue in Israel. I was invited because of my unique experience, which I explained in this blog post.

So if you're not completely shitfaced, please tune in.

YAY!!

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:41:46pm

re: #243 Alouette

Don't be nervous, now. ;)

Oh, can I still tune in if I am completely shitfaced?

248 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:42:55pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Bruriah is very famous. There are several girls' yeshivot named after her today.

Hell, in seventeenth century Kurdistan, of all places, you get a famous lady Torah scholar, Asnat Barezani.

Well the Deaconess Phoebe is talked about in Paul's letters, just not very much.

And what about Lilith?

249 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:45:10pm

re: #243 Alouette
Good Luck and Happy New Year.

250 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:45:28pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Bruriah is very famous. There are several girls' yeshivot named after her today.

Hell, in seventeenth century Kurdistan, of all places, you get a famous lady Torah scholar, Asnat Barezani.

And the popes listened to Catherine of Siena, and made her a Doctor of the Church. Couldn't say mass.

(Been to her house--it's around the corner from a great student bar in Pisa.)

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:46:43pm

re: #248 austin_blue

Well the Deaconess Phoebe is talked about in Paul's letters, just not very much.

And what about Lilith?

Well, Lilith doesn't appear in the Biblical text at all. But the Bible is seriously jam-packed with kick-ass women.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:48:39pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

And the popes listened to Catherine of Siena, and made her a Doctor of the Church. Couldn't say mass.

(Been to her house--it's around the corner from a great student bar in Pisa.)

The successors of Brigid of Kildare as abbess were considered to be on a par with bishops in Ireland for centuries. There's a beautiful old stained-glass window of St. Brigid in a San Francisco church. She's shown with a bishop's mitre, and oak leaves. Also, fire shooting out of her palm.

253 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:50:23pm

re: #243 Alouette

I'm going to be interviewed on the Zev Brenner show this New Year's eve on the stroke of midnight, WMCA 570AM in the New York area. The topic will be the gender segregation issue in Israel. I was invited because of my unique experience, which I explained in this blog post.

So if you're not completely shitfaced, please tune in.

Lady, you've got balls of brass. Thanks for making my day.

(pulls forelock)

{{Alouette}}

254 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:51:19pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

The successors of Brigid of Kildare as abbess were considered to be on a par with bishops in Ireland for centuries. There's a beautiful old stained-glass window of St. Brigid in a San Francisco church. She's shown with a bishop's mitre, and oak leaves. Also, fire shooting out of her palm.

I could see Rep Bachmann with fire shooting from somewhere.

255 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:52:53pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Lilith doesn't appear in the Biblical text at all. But the Bible is seriously jam-packed with kick-ass women.

I know, but was she in some apochrypha? How did she get in the conversation?

Enquiring Minds, &c..

256 Lidane  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:54:34pm

Mitt Romney continues his quest to fail by every possible standard before 2012:

@MViser

Romney tells voter in Le Mars, Iowa that he'd veto the Dream Act if it's passed while he's president

257 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:54:42pm

Charles. If you have a minute can your remove the apostrophes in the text, "Overall, do you support Occupy Wall Street, it's concerns and it's conduct?" located in my poll here.

Thanks.

258 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:56:14pm

Otherwise, vote early and vote once.

LGF Poll - Occupy Wall Street: Revisited

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:56:20pm

re: #255 austin_blue

I know, but was she in some apochrypha? How did she get in the conversation?

Enquiring Minds, &c..

She appears in Talmudic literature, and I'm assuming was part of the oral tradition before then. There are demons called lilitu in Mesopotamian texts from much earlier.

260 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:56:28pm

re: #256 Lidane

Mitt Romney continues his quest to fail by every possible standard before 2012:

@MViser

Is there a voting bloc, other than the WASPs, that the GOP has not tried to piss off yet?

261 Lidane  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:59:17pm

re: #260 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is there a voting bloc, other than the WASPs, that the GOP has not tried to piss off yet?

Just imagine what it would be like if someone like Gingrich or Paul gets the nomination. o_O

262 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:01:22pm

re: #258 Gus 802

Otherwise, vote early and vote once.

LGF Poll - Occupy Wall Street: Revisited

Best.Page.Ever. //

263 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:02:09pm

re: #262 darthstar

Best.Page.Ever. //

Ya think?

264 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:02:44pm

re: #261 Lidane

Just imagine what it would be like if someone like Gingrich or Paul gets the nomination. o_O

Hell, Newt's just offensive, period.

265 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:03:04pm

re: #263 Gus 802

Ya think?

Nah...but I was trying to make you feel better.

266 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:03:15pm

We need the ability for multiple questions in one poll.

267 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:03:43pm

Only eight more hours and the "2011 in review" crap will be over forever.

268 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:03:45pm

re: #265 darthstar

Nah...but I was trying to make you feel better.

Thanks. It's cool. I'm over 50 -- I can handle it. ;)

269 Lidane  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:07:37pm

re: #264 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, Newt's just offensive, period.

But he's not Mitt Romney!


///

270 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:10:41pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Pretty damn good general for a schizophrenic.

You don't want to look at Patton's belief system too closely.

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:12:48pm

I had four years of Grammar I. But... should that be all commas? Shouldn't there be a colon somewhere in those signs?

272 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:13:32pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't waste the peppery goodness on her when there's a hippie with a banjo nearby.

C'mon gang--that's pretty good self-aware lampooning for a hippie-puncher.

273 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:13:48pm

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Those signs ... political commakazi ...

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:14:01pm

re: #267 darthstar

Only eight more hours and the "2011 in review" crap will be over forever.

I'm still freaked out that the Japanese Tsunami was less than a year ago.

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:15:24pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

C'mon gang--that's pretty good self-aware lampooning for a hippie-puncher.

I'd never "punch" a hippie. However, I'll admit to a frequent "stare of consternation/distaste".

276 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:21:50pm

@edyong209
Attention Americans. The Mayans were right. Everything is burning.
I'd start running west.

277 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:23:13pm

re: #260 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is there a voting bloc, other than the WASPs, that the GOP has not tried to piss off yet?

It's still not too late for Ron Paul to suggest that disabled Iraq / Afghanistan veterans should seek charity or free-market assistance rather than relying on VA handouts. Newt might have several brilliant ideas about how they could attach brooms and mops to their motorized wheelchairs and special toilet brush attachments to their prosthetic arms. Veterans returning home need jobs in this economy.

278 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:25:48pm

re: #277 negativ

It's still not too late for Ron Paul to suggest that disabled Iraq / Afghanistan veterans should seek charity or free-market assistance rather than relying on VA handouts. Newt might have several brilliant ideas about how they could attach brooms and mops to their motorized wheelchairs and special toilet brush attachments to their prosthetic arms.

Don't worry--as soon as the shooting stops the chickenhawks will be after the Veterans' Administration for 'fraud, waste, and abuse'.

279 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:26:47pm

re: #277 negativ

It's still not too late for Ron Paul to suggest that disabled Iraq / Afghanistan veterans should seek charity or free-market assistance rather than relying on VA handouts. Newt might have several brilliant ideas about how they could attach brooms and mops to their motorized wheelchairs and special toilet brush attachments to their prosthetic arms.

"There's no VA mentioned in the Constitution, so if you want medical care, find a charity that will pay your bills!"

280 sagehen  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:27:05pm

re: #49 moderatelyradicalliberal

Every Obama reelection ad should have this picture at the end. It should be drilled into the American psyche. It will be especially effective if Willard keeps refusing to release his tax filings, which he now says he will consider doing after he's been elected president.

Image: 1182777539_1275.jpg

Can you say rich entitled prick? They look like the Bad Boy records crew from the 1990s. Dolla, dolla bill, ya'll! Seriously, P-Diddy probably thinks this is classless.

He won't release his tax returns because he doesn't want us to know have proof he pays a lower tax rate than any of us -- even though his income is about 100 times higher.

Also, he probably doesn't want us to see that his charitable donations are miniscule. Other than tithing his church, what do you want to bet he gives away nothing at all? (the Kochs are assholes who don't care about the poor, but at least they give a ton to museums and the symphony).

281 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:28:26pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

I could see Rep Bachmann with fire shooting from somewhere.

In the UK, she was known as St. Bride. After the great fir of 1666, Wren built a new St. Bride's parish church in 1703.

Image: steeple-sunset-cc-angryhaggis.jpg

And that's how tiered wedding cakes were inspired. True fact.

282 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:30:50pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't be nervous, now. ;)

Oh, can I still tune in if I am completely shitfaced?

Yeah, what the heck. You can even call in!

283 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:31:08pm

re: #280 sagehen

He won't release his tax returns because he doesn't want us to know have proof he pays a lower tax rate than any of us -- even though his income is about 100 times higher.

Also, he probably doesn't want us to see that his charitable donations are miniscule. Other than tithing his church, what do you want to bet he gives away nothing at all? (the Kochs are assholes who don't care about the poor, but at least they give a ton to museums and the symphony).

Yep, he knows that his tax returns would be a powerful tool in a year when wealth disparity and tax dodging are major campaign issues, so he's going to find every excuse he can to avoid releasing them.

284 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:32:31pm

Don't mind me. I'm trying to cause trouble on Twitter. Doesn't seem to be working very well yet.

285 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:33:10pm

@Gus_802 Gus
@Glennobot @AngryBlackLady Biggest Douches of 2011: Dan Choi, Glenn Greenwald, Cenk Uygur, Ron Paul, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:33:45pm

re: #283 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If he made a gazillion dollars and followed tax law? People should shut the fuck up.

287 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:33:56pm

The UK is hosting the Olympics this summer and the New Year's fireworks show opposite Big Ben at midnight, Greenwich time, was spectacular on the BBC. Big year in England, and they wanted a Big Start. One of my compatriots tonight mentioned that the display was probably half of the Ministry of Defense's ammunition budget for Afghanistan.

Hmmm...

288 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:35:23pm

Evening Lizardim. Boy, what a weird way to wrap up 2011. It's been a really bass-ackwards year in politics. I'm wondering, with some trepidation, what 2012 will have in store for us. (Besides the end of the world.)

289 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:35:28pm

ltdanchoi Dan Choi
Happy New Years in jail, citizens... AKA "Terrorists!" @BarackObama signs worst #NDAA ever. fdl.me/rXMX5t #Occupy

To which I Tweeted:

@Gus_802 Gus
@ltdanchoi @BarackObama I can see now why they wanted to boot you out of the Army. Had nothing to do with you being gay. You're clueless.

290 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:35:58pm

re: #282 Alouette

Yeah, what the heck. You can even call in!

Thanks! :) But I think I'll pass on the calling in part. I get stage fright real easy. Especially when nekkid.

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:36:08pm

re: #288 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. Boy, what a weird way to wrap up 2011. It's been a really bass-ackwards year in politics. I'm wondering, with some trepidation, what 2012 will have in store for us. (Besides the end of the world.)

We can only pray.

292 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:36:27pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

C'mon gang--that's pretty good self-aware lampooning for a hippie-puncher.

They have no sense of humor.

293 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:38:28pm

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We can only pray.

It'll be something spectacular to watch from our sooper-sekrit underground lair.

294 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:39:07pm

re: #285 Gus 802

@Gus_802 Gus
@Glennobot @AngryBlackLady Biggest Douches of 2011: Dan Choi, Glenn Greenwald, Cenk Uygur, Ron Paul, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange.

I'm not seeing John Edward there, but a fine list none the less.

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:40:44pm

re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth

Or John Edwards.

296 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:40:57pm

re: #293 thedopefishlives

It'll be something spectacular to watch from our sooper-sekrit underground lair.

This time next year I will either be steeling myself to struggle up the freakn' hill once again, or I'll be drunk on right-wing tears. It'll be interesting either way.

297 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:41:05pm

The Economist, shaking their editorial heads over GOP 'fatwas.':

The right Republican
Although the presidency is theirs for the taking, America’s Republicans are in danger of throwing it away

...These fatwas explain the rum list of candidates: you either have to be an unelectable extremist who genuinely believes all this, or a dissembler prepared to tie yourself in ever more elaborate knots (the flexible Mr Romney).

298 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:42:18pm

Night all! Back to Atherston (Yes, my sibs-in-law have a house with a fucking name. It's old. It's England.) for a well deserved collapse.

Happy New Year! May all your dreams come true this year.

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:43:31pm

re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I consider Edward the bigger douche, but Edwards deserves a nod I suppose.

300 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:43:39pm

re: #298 austin_blue

Night all! Back to Atherston (Yes, my sibs-in-law have a house with a fucking name. It's old. It's England.) for a well deserved collapse.

Happy New Year! May all your dreams come true this year.

Best wishes to Bridey and the Bright Young Things.

301 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:44:16pm

re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm not seeing John Edward there, but a fine list none the less.

Stupid me. I once though I respect Dan Choi. Screw him. He's jumped the shark. I don't know if he's still a commissioned officer but he deserves to get booted out now if he hasn't been already. Conduct benefiting an officer.

302 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:44:24pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

This time next year I will either be steeling myself to struggle up the freakn' hill once again, or I'll be drunk on right-wing tears. It'll be interesting either way.

I'll be in the North Star State for my Christmas/New Year's season next year, as opposed to relaxing in luxury here in fish country.

303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:45:23pm

re: #298 austin_blue

Night all! Back to Atherston (Yes, my sibs-in-law have a house with a fucking name. It's old. It's England.) for a well deserved collapse.

Hopefully you mean you, and not the house.

And by your collapse, I hope it's from exhaustion and not from a stroke, heart attack or arsenic poisoning.

304 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:46:11pm

re: #302 thedopefishlives

Dress warmly.

305 prairiefire  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:46:13pm

re: #243 Alouette

I'm going to be interviewed on the Zev Brenner show this New Year's eve on the stroke of midnight, WMCA 570AM in the New York area. The topic will be the gender segregation issue in Israel. I was invited because of my unique experience, which I explained in this blog post.

So if you're not completely shitfaced, please tune in.

You are confronting the creeping of extremism "in your own backyard." Good on you, Alouette.

306 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:48:16pm

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Dress warmly.

Oh, December isn't the problem in Minnesota; January is. We had a stretch last year where the early morning temperatures dipped near to -40. Them's good times.

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:49:26pm

re: #301 Gus 802

I haven't really been following his story, but if you get in bed with anon or wikileaks, you're pretty much shit too me. Straight off the xmas list.

308 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:49:30pm

re: #234 Lidane

Unfortunately, the fundie evangelicals follow Paul more than they do anyone or anything else in the Bible. It's why they're so big on women being submissive to men.

Bachmann would never be considered legitimate by the same fundies she's aligned herself with. They don't want a woman in power.

It telling that 1st Timothy is remembered for the barring of women from leadership in the Church...although there's a lot of debate about what Paul meant (hooray for translation ambiguities)...and for that matter, if this Epistle is authentic...but the admonitions about treatment of the needy (widows, elders, etc) and the warnings against greed have fallen to the wayside.

It's not just the Paul was a dick. Everyone who has read 1st Timothy and only come away with "husband of one wife" is an active participant in dickery.

309 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:50:41pm

re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If he made a gazillion dollars and followed tax law? People should shut the fuck up.

Should "shut the fuck up" about what?

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:52:29pm

re: #309 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I just don't think there's anything wrong with making a pile of money. The idea of people attacking him for that reason makes me queasy. Especially if he paid his taxes appropriately.

311 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:56:31pm

You watching any of that Jaunte? On Twitter?

312 darthstar  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:58:09pm

Okay...time to close my laptop, shower up and prep for NYE at a friend's house, so...

Happy New Year to everyone here (and your loved ones). Be safe. Remember that a cab ride (even an expensive one) is cheaper than a DUI.

See you all next year...if not earlier. God knows we'll probably be home by 10.

313 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:58:25pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't think there's anything wrong with making a pile of money. The idea of people attacking him for that reason makes me queasy. Especially if he paid his taxes appropriately.

I think there's a problem with making a pile of money by driving companies to bankruptcy and killing thousands of jobs, which is how Romney made his money at Bain. The man's estimated worth is between $190 and $250 million, much of it likely taxed at way under what somebody who made half as much annually paid in taxes due to various loopholes and dodges that are available only to the rich and well-connected.

Really, every candidate who has run since Watergate has released his tax returns and had his wealth scrutinized. Romney should be no different.

314 sagehen  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:59:43pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't think there's anything wrong with making a pile of money. The idea of people attacking him for that reason makes me queasy. Especially if he paid his taxes appropriately.

If his tax rate is already lower than mine (because it's all capital gains and no salary) -- and he's pushing an economic plan that involves lowering his rate even further (or eliminating his own taxes altogether) and making up the revenue by reducing medicare and medicaid and pell grants... *of course* that deserves attack.

I'm sure what he's doing is legal, but the law is inappropriate.

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:00:54pm
Remember that a cab ride (even an expensive one) is cheaper than a DUI.

QFT!!! It's also cheaper than a burial, or manslaughter charges. DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, LIZARDS!

316 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:02:20pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't think there's anything wrong with making a pile of money. The idea of people attacking him for that reason makes me queasy. Especially if he paid his taxes appropriately.

Well, I think the issue goes beyond acceptable tax accounting: Romney has talked about what America's economy "needs"--no new taxes on higher brackets, no new taxes on capital gains--touting his accomplishments as a businessman as his proof.

Well...his tax returns are going to tell a lot about how he made his income: honestly, or through legal-but-contradictory-to-his-narrative maneuvers that screwed over little people.

317 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:02:56pm

With that, I bounce. Got a few errands to run, and I better get too it before all the crazies are on the road.

Laters.

318 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:05:33pm

Wow. Kosher delis in New York have DELIVERY SERVICE.

319 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:06:31pm

re: #311 Gus 802

You watching any of that Jaunte? On Twitter?

Sorry, I was away from the computer for awhile; just catching up.
I see the ABL/Greenwald tweets.

320 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:06:58pm

re: #319 jaunte

Sorry, I was away from the computer for awhile; just catching up.
I see the ABL/Greenwald tweets.

Yeah, those. Greenwald's a freaking pig.

321 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:07:16pm

re: #318 Alouette

Wow. Kosher delis in New York have DELIVERY SERVICE.

Lucky. I'm just sitting here debating how to get out of cooking tonight.

322 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:11:35pm

Much-glommed Des Moines Register poll:

[Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

323 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:11:54pm

re: #312 darthstar

Okay...time to close my laptop, shower up and prep for NYE at a friend's house, so...

Happy New Year to everyone here (and your loved ones). Be safe. Remember that a cab ride (even an expensive one) is cheaper than a DUI.

See you all next year...if not earlier. God knows we'll probably be home by 10.

I'm in luck in that there's a bar on the ground floor of the building my apartment is on. So I can go get a few drinks for NYE and get back in safely since I don't think you can get a DUI using an elevator.

Happy new year all and may 2012 be better for everyone in every way.

324 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:12:02pm

I should be getting my Obama-Check™ sometime next week.

//

325 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:15:40pm

re: #320 Gus 802

For a guy with a lot of sock-puppets, he's very judgmental.

326 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:16:04pm

Speaking of Mittens, the CNN app on my iPad just came up with the results of a Des Moines Register poll, showing him in lead with Paul a close second. So if that holds, the primaries may be over quicker than we thought.

327 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:16:52pm

re: #325 jaunte

For a guy with a lot of sock-puppets, he's very judgmental.

You think they're sockpuppets? I think they're just a bunch of fanboys. The Greenwald cult is pretty strong. Well, you know the folks who follow him.

328 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:17:13pm

re: #327 Gus 802

No, just thinking of his history.

329 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:17:36pm

re: #328 jaunte

No, just thinking of his history.

Ah. Oh yeah. Have a link for that?

330 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:19:28pm

re: #329 Gus 802

Ah. Oh yeah. Have a link for that?

Found it.

331 jaunte  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:23:38pm

re: #329 Gus 802

I can't find anything from a 'neutral' observer.

332 Gus  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:24:13pm

re: #331 jaunte

I can't find anything from a 'neutral' observer.

Yeah, I noticed so I put my hands in my pockets. ;)

333 JDinLA  Sat, Dec 31, 2011 9:02:01pm

Michele thinks she's is "Biblically qualified" to be President? She must have missed this oldie but goodie (one of many) in the Bible about the proper role of women:
"As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. What! Did the word of God originate with you, or are you the only ones it has reached? If any one thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord. If any one does not recognize this, he is not recognized".
(1 Corinthians 14:33-38)

334 Tomm JOnzz  Tue, Jan 3, 2012 3:45:04pm

ugh. can we please stop degrading and disrespecting Mars like that?

i mean, really; Mars is really very Earth-like and may have been more so in the past. there is very little remotely Earth- if not human-like about Bachmann.

besides, i think she's probably from (appropriately) one of the gas giants. you know, like Uranus? maybe some podunk asteroid -- not even a "dwarf planet" (shakes fist at Neil Degrasse Tyson) -- but from the Kuiper Belt way out past Pluto, not from the main belt.

actually, i think Bizarro World may be most accurate, assuming Superman fans or DC Comics don't mind.


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