Santorum Bubbles Up As Iowa Polls Show Very Close Race

Santorum has momentum
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The Iowa Caucus is now basically in a three-way tie, with Rick Santorum rising.

The Republican caucus in Iowa is headed for a photo finish, with the three leading contenders all within two points of each other.� Ron Paul is at 20%, Mitt Romney at 19%, and Rick Santorum at 18%. Rounding out the field are Newt Gingrich at 14%, Rick Perry at 10%, Michele Bachmann at 8%, Jon Huntsman at 4%, and Buddy Roemer at 2%.

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244 comments
1 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:14:35am

He's very religious.

That means he's qualified.

2 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:14:53am

GOP's already got its talking points ready.

- Paul wins, then they shrug and move on to the other primaries.

- Santorum wins, they'll be shocked, but remind themselves that Huck won Iowa in '08 and did nothing with it.

- Romney wins, and they begin preparations for his nomination.

3 Altermite  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:17:00am

Santorum rising? Sounds messy.

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:17:05am

RON PA...

:sigh: I just can't do it anymore.
/

5 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:18:12am

re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth

RON PA...

:sigh: I just can't do it anymore.
/

Heh.

TRENDING: Ron Paul: Santorum is 'very liberal'

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:19:00am

re: #5 NJDhockeyfan

OT: BTW, I made that quiche, and it was glorious.

7 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:19:48am

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: BTW, I made that quiche, and it was glorious.

Awesome! I have to try that next time.

8 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:21:31am

If the loonies can coalesce behind one candidate, they can blow Romney out of the water.

9 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:23:57am

re: #3 Altermite

Santorum rising? Sounds messy.

Just don't google it.

10 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:24:24am

re: #8 Obdicut

If the loonies can coalesce behind one candidate, they can blow Romney out of the water.

But they won't. Noone except many Bachmann is dropping out after Iowa.

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:24:49am

re: #8 Obdicut

If the loonies can coalesce behind one candidate, they can blow Romney out of the water.

Like nailing jello to the wall.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:25:11am

re: #10 aagcobb

Manny Bachmann could not be reached for comment.
/:P

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:25:24am

Santorum: I'm not Romney!

14 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:28:01am

re: #13 EmmmieG

Santorum: I'm not Romney!

Romney: I'm not Paul

15 Tumulus11  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:29:43am

. Buddy Roemer: Because I'm none of the above.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:30:56am

Totally called it! //

Also, "Santorum has momentum"? I think LVQ is a fluid mechanics guy, should we ask him to make the calculations? /

17 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:31:38am

I could see Santorum as a possible VP choice by Romney, but not as the standard bearer of the GOP.

18 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:31:43am

Back in 2008 I brought up how the then beginning recession would make political problems for candidates - though many in the crowd here at that time refused to acknowledge that by early 2008 the US was already in severe contraction (not that I was that great of a genius - I just checked the various reports from places such as the FED and such.)

Anyway, everyone says that this year the economy will play the key role. I don't disagree with that, but it is hard for me to see how much better off the general populace will be by this November.

2011 was the bottom as far as housing starts - the worst year since records have been kept (in the early '60's). Given how the US has centered our economy on housing (since other manufacturing has declined in relative importance) that has meant a very sluggish year for many Americans. Housing starts are projected to grow this year, but given how low they have been moderate growth will still lead to just weak numbers.

Furthermore, Europe appears to be heading into another recession. Between that the the problem with certain Euro-based nations not being able to repay their debt... that adds up for a troubled year for Europe, which could spill over to the US.

So, if we are not in the "Happy Days Are Here Again" mode by November I wonder if the GOP candidate, should he be winsome enough, or just not too objectionable, could unseat President Obama.

However, the hyper-religious, reactionary GOP candidates do turn many Americans off. Most of our fellow citizens have not been paying very close attention yet, and many will just vote in November without hardly any research into the candidates at all. Frustrating for those of us who care, but that is just how it is.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:32:36am

Will the Tubgirl be Santorum's VP?

// do NOT google

20 chunkymonkey  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:33:29am

Ron, Rick, and Romney... all for one and one for all!

21 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:33:38am

re: #18 freetoken

no doubt in my mind that BO can lose...probably won't, but I would not bet the pot on it

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:33:56am

Lol

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:34:00am

No Rape or Incest.

24 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:34:24am

Over the weekend, Rick Santorum told an Iowa audience, “Diversity creates conflict. If we celebrate diversity, we create conflict.”...

...As for Santorum, this is the sort of subtle racism — much like Newt Gingrich’s recent comments about low-income youth — that Republicans often don’t recognize as being racist. In Santorum’s mind, when he thinks of programs like food stamps, he automatically associates them with “black people’s lives.”

and if you ask the average wingnut what caused the recession they will tell you without missing a beat or thinking about it for a half a second that the recession was caused by liberals forcing banks to sell houses to "unqualified minorities"

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:34:33am

re: #20 chunkymonkey

Ron, Rick, and Romney... all for one and one for all!

Or, as late Comrade Kim Jong-Il would have called it, an Epic Fair.

26 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:34:52am

Rose Parade 2012: Occupy activists form 'peacekeeping' team

Occupy the Rose Parade activists said they had assembled a "peacekeeping" team to thwart members who might try to cause trouble during the event.

A team of about 36 Occupy protesters will, in three groups, march with the Occupy procession at the end of the Rose Parade to self-police and prevent violence or disturbance of the parade itself.

..."If we can get small situations handled within our own group, we’ll avoid the need for police to come in," said activist Roger Bruce of San Clemente, who will be in the peacekeeping group.
The group will use human microphones, in which a person yells and others echo, to draw attention to any troublemakers, he said.

"We think we can handle it with sweetness," Bruce added.

I wonder what they are expecting to happen.

27 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:36:29am

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

Rose Parade 2012: Occupy activists form 'peacekeeping' team

I wonder what they are expecting to happen.

PR

28 erik_t  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:37:06am

What a goddamned clown car.

This is the last clown in the car, right?

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:38:46am

re: #24 engineer dog

Diversity creates tasty foods.

30 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:40:34am

re: #24 engineer dog

Over the weekend, Rick Santorum told an Iowa audience, “Diversity creates conflict. If we celebrate diversity, we create conflict.”...

...As for Santorum, this is the sort of subtle racism — much like Newt Gingrich’s recent comments about low-income youth — that Republicans often don’t recognize as being racist. In Santorum’s mind, when he thinks of programs like food stamps, he automatically associates them with “black people’s lives.”

and if you ask the average wingnut what caused the recession they will tell you without missing a beat or thinking about it for a half a second that the recession was caused by liberals forcing banks to sell houses to "unqualified minorities"

maybe the truth will emerge at the Chris Dodd trial....
probably not tho

31 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:41:29am

re: #29 EmmmieG

Diversity creates tasty foods.

diversity creates options and alternatives

32 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:41:55am

re: #24 engineer dog

Where was he when we were trying to keep the Irish out of the country?
/

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:42:44am

re: #31 albusteve

diversity creates options and alternatives

Diversity creates better music.

34 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:42:56am

re: #18 freetoken

Basically, yes with caveats.

The economy would normally be a problem for Obama, especially if we see a second dip. (which as you noted is quite possible.)

However, the majority of the public thinks (according to polls) that the Republicans are the reason things are still bad. Heck, a plurality thinks it's JUST the Republicans (as opposed to both Congress and the President). That makes the economy minimal if not non-existent as an issue in this election. Bring on a second dip, have Obama propose a major jobs/relief package, have the Republicans in congress kill it, and then let the Republican candidate explain either he agrees with his congressional peers or thinks Obama did the right thing. Ouch.

Frankly, at this point I think Romney's going to win, but he's going to have to go to June because he can't pull a large enough plurality to lock it until the winner-take-all primaries come into play. That means six more months of listening to them all play to their base. That's six more months of the ~10% that is honestly "in the middle" becoming aware of what the republicans look like. I don't know that Obama will have Reagan-like margins, but I do think he's going to have enough of a victory margin that there'll be no doubt or opportunity to challenge the win.

35 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:43:28am

Santorum Rising

because he currently seems like the most ignorant and bigoted candidate in the running

36 Bear  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:44:09am

OT

Sounds as if the Mt Rainier killer is dead. [Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com...]

37 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:44:11am

re: #33 EmmmieG

Diversity creates better music.

Diversity created Rick Santorum.

Chew on that, Rick.

38 DobermanBoston  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:44:13am

I think it's a sign of major dysfunction that the social conservatives didn't go for Santorum from the get-go. I'm not a fan of his or anything, but he would certainly have been a more serious candidate than the unqualified jokers the right initially flirted with.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:45:03am

Romney's people are stating that the game plan is not necessarily to win Iowa. That's been what he says all along.

40 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:45:34am

re: #36 Bear

OT

Sounds as if the Mt Rainier killer is dead. [Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com...]

Updated at 2:20 p.m. ET: A body was spotted by aircraft in a remote area and there's a strong probability it is Benjamin Colton Barnes, the man thought to have killed a Mount Rainier National Park ranger on Sunday, a sheriff's spokesman says.

"One of the air units and some of the FBI SWAT team members and sheriff’s SWAT team members have found a body," said Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer. "We have not gotten to it, we are nowhere near it, it’s still buried in the snow."

Self inflicted gunshot or bear attack?

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:46:02am

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

Self inflicted gunshot or bear attack?

Karma attack.

42 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:46:17am

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

Diversity created Rick Santorum.

Chew on that, Rick.

heh...I almost posted exactly that...what an arrogant fuck

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:46:33am

Charles, this is the most disgusting post title I've ever seen you post. Well done.

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:47:01am

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

Can I hope for bear attack?

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:47:23am

re: #42 albusteve

heh...I almost posted exactly that...what an arrogant fuck

That's fucking hilarious. After I typed that I thought "I'm starting to sound like Albusteve".

Cheers, bro.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:48:00am

re: #8 Obdicut

If the loonies can coalesce behind one candidate, they can blow Romney out of the water.

But that's like saying that if whales could fly, they'd beat the shit out of eagles.

47 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:48:13am

re: #39 EmmmieG

Romney's people are stating that the game plan is not necessarily to win Iowa. That's been what he says all along.

Keeping expectations low. If he does win, it looks big, and if Paul or Santorum win, well, that's just those crazy Iowa caucus goers.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:49:02am

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

I nearly swallowed my cigarette!

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:49:44am

re: #47 aagcobb

Keeping expectations low. If he does win, it looks big, and if Paul or Santorum win, well, that's just those crazy Iowa caucus goers.

He's got a major disadvantage in Iowa with the religion factor, and everyone knows it.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:50:39am

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

No Rape or Incest.

In Santorum's case, I will say, he believes it, and he won't budge from it.

Except then there's his own wife's second-trimester abortion, which he somehow went through without realizing that this is what they talk about when they say 'the health or life of the mother'.

52 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:51:17am

As if we didn't have enough suspected rightwing violence over the past couple of days with the Mt. Ranier shooter, and the Queens firebombings of Muslims:

Fire damages abortion clinic

The State Fire Marshal’s office has taken over the investigation of a suspicious early morning fire that gutted the American Family Planning clinic on North Ninth Avenue.

Pensacola Fire Department Battalion Chief Steve Peake said the rear section of the two-story, wooden building was fully involved in flames when crews from nearby Station 6 arrived just after 1 a.m.

Formerly known as The Ladies Center and as Community Healthcare, the clinic has been the target of abortion protests for decades.

In 1984, two Pensacola men bombed the facility along with two doctors’ offices where abortions were provided. Matthew Goldsby and James Simmons were convicted of the Christmas Day bombings and sentenced to 10 years, but they serve only about half of their terms.

In 1994, protester Paul Hill killed John Britton, a doctor who provided abortions, and James Barrett, a volunteer who escorted patients, as they arrived in the clinic parking lot. Barrett’s wife, June, also was wounded.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:51:35am

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

Rose Parade 2012: Occupy activists form 'peacekeeping' team

I wonder what they are expecting to happen.

My father used to have to work the Rose Parade, when he was a cop. The stories he tells. Most of them involve drunks, large amounts of drugs, or entitled assholes with vehicles.

54 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:51:44am

re: #39 EmmmieG

Romney's people are stating that the game plan is not necessarily to win Iowa. That's been what he says all along.

Not that that has stopped him from prostrating himself before Christian voters and begging them to overlook that he's a Mormon.

55 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:51:51am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

He is what they're referring to when they say "The only moral abortion is my abortion".

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:51:56am

re: #29 EmmmieG

Diversity creates tasty foods.

Diversity just is.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:52:06am

Flying whales, beating the shit out of eagles. Hot damn, SFZ.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:52:36am

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

Diversity created Rick Santorum.

Chew on that, Rick.

Jack Kennedy, God help the poor dear man, created Rick Santorum. And has Rick said thank you?

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:52:59am

re: #38 DobermanBoston

I think it's a sign of major dysfunction that the social conservatives didn't go for Santorum from the get-go. I'm not a fan of his or anything, but he would certainly have been a more serious candidate than the unqualified jokers the right initially flirted with.

He's much smarter than they are, certainly, and more sincere in his disturbing beliefs.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:53:51am

re: #48 Slumbering Behemoth

I nearly swallowed my cigarette!

You're supposed to inhale the smoke, dude. Not the whole cigarette.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:55:12am

re: #52 RadicalModerate

As if we didn't have enough suspected rightwing violence over the past couple of days with the Mt. Ranier shooter, and the Queens firebombings of Muslims:

Fire damages abortion clinic

I see everyone is trying to get their New Year's resolutions out of the way first thing.

Mine are to write more, and lose weight, which I can do without breaking any federal laws. I'm also going to try to learn conversational Hebrew.

62 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:55:12am

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

But that's like saying that if whales could fly, they'd beat the shit out of eagles.

Greatest quote ever on LGF!

63 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:55:42am

re: #30 albusteve

maybe the truth will emerge at the Chris Dodd trial...
probably not tho

???

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:55:52am

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Flying whales, beating the shit out of eagles. Hot damn, SFZ.

WHAM! goes the tail.

65 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:57:00am

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

But that's like saying that if whales could fly, they'd beat the shit out of eagles.

Think we got a new candidate for rotating title.

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:57:29am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Ahem.

One sends valentines and roses on Valentine's Day.
One wears green on St. Patrick's Day.
One hunts eggs on Easter.
One blows up stuff on the Fourth of July.
One wears a costume and begs for candy on Halloween.
One eats too much on Thanksgiving.
One gives out gifts on Christmas.

One resolves to lose weight on New Year's Day. I don't care if you're underweight. It's a tradition. You must.

67 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:57:48am

re: #63 engineer dog

???

alluding to the non existent investigation of the FM/FM meltdown

68 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:57:58am

re: #38 DobermanBoston

I suspect the reason that Bachmann/Cain/Perry/Gingrich have had their days in the sun instead of Santorum is that this race has been set in the Reality TV universe - it's been just another televised diversion for the average bored wingnut, situated in between NASCAR races and old reruns of Bonanza on the viewing schedule.

69 chunkymonkey  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 11:58:04am

re: #24 engineer dog

Over the weekend, Rick Santorum told an Iowa audience, “Diversity creates conflict. If we celebrate diversity, we create conflict.”...

...As for Santorum, this is the sort of subtle racism — much like Newt Gingrich’s recent comments about low-income youth — that Republicans often don’t recognize as being racist. In Santorum’s mind, when he thinks of programs like food stamps, he automatically associates them with “black people’s lives.”

and if you ask the average wingnut what caused the recession they will tell you without missing a beat or thinking about it for a half a second that the recession was caused by liberals forcing banks to sell houses to "unqualified minorities"

Where can one find this average wingnut?

If you ask the average moonbat the same question they will tell you without missing a beat or thinking about it for half a second: "Bush."

70 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:00:37pm

drooling over elected officials or candidates for office is a disgusting exercise in botness...makes me wanna puke...we elevate these assholes to a status they have not earned or deserve

71 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:03:55pm

re: #69 chunkymonkey

Where can one find this average wingnut?

If you ask the average moonbat the same question they will tell you without missing a beat or thinking about it for half a second: "Bush." "Corporate Greed"

fyt, since i must be an "average moonbat"

and how about your answer?

72 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:03:59pm

re: #55 Obdicut

He is what they're referring to when they say "The only moral abortion is my abortion".

Yet more amazing examples of how wingnuts live in an alternative universe divorced from reality.

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:04:20pm

re: #66 EmmmieG

Just heard (what in practice sounds like) a great weight loss idea on FB this morning.

Friends who resolve to lose weight: instead of focusing on numbers and scales, make small changes. Brush your teeth after every meal and snack. This serves as a signal to your mouth- and your mind- that it's time to stop eating. You'll be disinclined to ruin that minty freshness with whatever snacks are lying around!

That makes quite a bit of sense.

74 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:05:37pm

‘Occupy Wall Street’ Participation To Earn Class Credit At Columbia U.

I laughed about this yesterday...today, it's reality
we're hosed

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:06:46pm

re: #74 albusteve

‘Occupy Wall Street’ Participation To Earn Class Credit At Columbia U.

I laughed about this yesterday...today, it's reality
we're hosed

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

I remember some of my friends in high school being very angry that the school wouldn't give us permission to do a walk-out in protest of the first Gulf War.

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:07:24pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

Man... I wanted to walk out for so many things.

Mostly tests though...

77 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:09:24pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember some of my friends in high school being very angry that the school wouldn't give us permission to do a walk-out in protest of the first Gulf War.

meanwhile there is a shortage of welders and nurses and dentists etc

78 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:11:21pm

re: #77 albusteve

meanwhile there is a shortage of welders and nurses and dentists etc

that explains how my teeth got welded together

79 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:11:35pm

re: #74 albusteve

The course will be called “Occupy the Field: Global Finance, Inequality, Social Movement” it will be run by the anthropology department.

This, this is why "anthropology" gets dinged so often.

80 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:11:55pm

re: #74 albusteve

‘Occupy Wall Street’ Participation To Earn Class Credit At Columbia U.

I laughed about this yesterday...today, it's reality
we're hosed

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

This will get you extra credit.

81 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:13:42pm

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

This will get you extra credit.

no doubt his degree is in Community Organization or some other worthless pap

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:14:01pm

Hockey Winter Classic's coming on. The only hockey game I watch during the year. Freakin' outside.... So flipping cool.

Being introduced with rap music...

83 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:14:18pm

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

This will get you extra credit.

Actually, that'd probably get you kicked out of Columbia.

Giving course credit for participating in political campaigns is pretty old hat. However, that she's so pro-Occupy may be a problem if she can't keep her objectivity in check if someone writes critically of their experience.

84 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:14:55pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My chief problem with the school was that even after years in the school system--the same one--they still made me follow the rules that seemed to have been designed with the thought that if I was out from under direct supervision for five minutes, I would light something on fire or sell drugs or just leave.

Yeah, I get that a lot of kids are that way. I sat next to them. But by the time I was seventeen, I think they might have figured out that I wasn't. I had exactly one detention my entire school career, and that's because the school's bell system malfunctioned and made us all late to class.

Nevertheless, I was not allowed to determine when I needed to use the restroom.

85 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:15:22pm

re: #78 engineer dog

that explains how my teeth got welded together

read a blurb recently about a guy trying to hire two experienced sheet metal fabricators....80k a year and all the bennies...he went thru hundreds of applications and could not fill 2 jobs

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:16:52pm

re: #85 albusteve

read a blurb recently about a guy trying to hire two experienced sheet metal fabricators...80k a year and all the bennies...he went thru hundreds of applications and could not fill 2 jobs

What do you do? Pay 40K and train them?

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:17:35pm

re: #77 albusteve

meanwhile there is a shortage of welders and nurses and dentists etc

For all I know, some of these people have since become welders, nurses, and/or dentists. This was twenty years ago.

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:18:06pm

On TV... some chick is "souling-up" Oh Canada.

Really? If Canada had some soul? They'd be a state!

89 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:19:02pm

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you do? Pay 40K and train them?

probably not

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:19:17pm

Now Patti LaBelle is doing the National Anthem.

The NHL's trying to make us think they're hip.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:20:29pm

re: #89 albusteve

Seems like a reasonable solution.

You know more about this stuff than me. How long would it take to train a couple of handy guys/gals on sheet metal fabrication?

92 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:20:35pm

re: #85 albusteve

read a blurb recently about a guy trying to hire two experienced sheet metal fabricators...80k a year and all the bennies...he went thru hundreds of applications and could not fill 2 jobs

only one of those I saw recently was they wanted to pay some welders 40,000 and were complaining that nobody would take the job.

Then, buried in the article, was the fact they went to a job fair and their competitors were offering 50,000. But because they couldn't get any takers for 40,000, people aren't "really" looking for work.

I wouldn't mind seeing the blurb about the fabricators if you can find it. I'd like to see one that didn't have crap like that buried inside.

93 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:22:21pm

re: #92 kirkspencer

There definitely is a critical need for welders, plumbers, etc. in the US at the moment. We don't nearly have enough. Lots of foreigners come here on work visas to do that work.

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:22:53pm

re: #92 kirkspencer

only one of those I saw recently was they wanted to pay some welders 40,000 and were complaining that nobody would take the job.

Then, buried in the article, was the fact they went to a job fair and their competitors were offering 50,000. But because they couldn't get any takers for 40,000, people aren't "really" looking for work.

Even if the competitors are paying that, but are not hiring, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

95 chunkymonkey  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:23:22pm

re: #71 engineer dog

fyt, since i must be an "average moonbat"

and how about your answer?

Anyone who offers up the "cause of the recession" in comments here is a fool. Count me out.

96 Lidane  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:23:47pm

re: #5 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

TRENDING: Ron Paul: Santorum is 'very liberal'

On what planet is that lunatic Santorum a liberal?

97 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:24:06pm

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seems like a reasonable solution.

You know more about this stuff than me. How long would it take to train a couple of handy guys/gals on sheet metal fabrication?

high end blue collar work is no joke...it may take years to become proficient in certain skills...if an employer needs you right now, he's fucked

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:24:10pm

re: #92 kirkspencer

And if the competitors are hiring at that level... then the first company is stupid and will die under the crushing weight of their own stupidity.

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26:15pm

re: #97 albusteve

How "high end blue collar" is sheet metal fabrication? I just don't know. I don't know what it's used for other than building cars and duct systems.

100 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26:54pm

re: #96 Lidane

On what planet is that lunatic Santorum a liberal?

Planet Luap Nor.

101 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:27:15pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now Patti LaBelle is doing the National Anthem.

The NHL's trying to make us think they're hip.

I'm Listening to the Fuckin' Song!

Youtube Video
102 Lidane  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:30:49pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

Planet Luap Nor.

Apparently, this whole "Santorum's a seekrit librul" idiocy runs in the family:

Rand Paul Calls Rick Santorum A War-Mongering Moderate

103 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:31:39pm

re: #102 Lidane

Apparently, this whole "Santorum's a seekrit librul" idiocy runs in the family:

Rand Paul Calls Rick Santorum A War-Mongering Moderate

Does that make him a moderate liberal?

104 Lidane  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:32:08pm

re: #103 NJDhockeyfan

Does that make him a moderate liberal?

It makes Ron and Rand Paul look even crazier than usual.

105 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:32:11pm

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How "high end blue collar" is sheet metal fabrication? I just don't know. I don't know what it's used for other than building cars and duct systems.

not sure...but I will say this...
I had a lucrative remodel business and I had two lead men that could run a job and build the thing...they both made more money than me for several years...I sent them out and they took over, and they had nearly much authority as I did....maximum skills and a team oriented, no bullshit attitude is worth a small fortune in small business...whatever the sheetmetal guy was making doesn't really matter, he needed them and they were not there

106 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:33:36pm

re: #95 chunkymonkey

Anyone who offers up the "cause of the recession" in comments here is a fool. Count me out.

The cause, sure. But the causes, definitely can be pointed out.

107 Lidane  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:33:44pm

Speaking of crazy, Newsmax just offered this little bit of comedy:

Trump Cleared for Texas Presidential Bid

Donald Trump supporters filed paperwork in Texas for the business mogul and celebrity to run as a third-party candidate there, The Blaze reports.

Trump himself acknowledged he met the official ballot deadline in Texas.

108 labman57  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:34:20pm

Santorum's last minute rise is really not all that surprising. Iowa's GOP caucus has always been and shall always be a political anomaly. The people who participate are disproportionately extreme right wing hyper-religious conservatives, and therefore are not a useful indicator of the general Republican voting population.

Sanctimonious chest-thumpers often perform well in Iowa's caucus, only to flame out when other states have their more democratically-run primary elections.

Of course, the alternatives are between an isolationism and anarchy-promoting conspiracy theorist, a master flip-flopper (who happens to be ... gasp ... a Mormon), a repeat adulterer and self-serving financial opportunist, a buffoon governor from Texas (part deux), and a dim-witted Minnesotan with a poor grip on reality. GOP voters will no doubt engage in a fair amount of hand-wringing in the next few months.

109 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:35:18pm

They made an arrest in LA...

LAPD chief confident arson suspect is in custody

(CBS/AP) LOS ANGELES - Los Angeles Police Charlie Beck said he is confident authorities have their man after a person of interest was detained in connection with dozens of arson fires.

Beck tells City News Service that the ponytailed man had materials possibly linking him to the fires when his van was stopped by Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies early Monday morning near the Hollywood border with West Hollywood.

Fifty-five fires have been set since last week in Los Angeles and nearby communities, most of them in cars inside apartment carports. Those include a dozen fires on Monday.

No one was injured but many apartment dwellers were forced from their homes.

Los Angeles police and fire officials scheduled a midday news conference to discuss the detention of the man.

...The Los Angeles Times reported Monday that the man in custody "is a native of Germany who may have been in dispute with federal immigration officials."

The Times, citing unnamed sources, said the man may have been battling federal officials over the immigration status of a relative, but it was unclear whether that dispute was related in any way to the fires.

Meanwhile, multiple media outlets are reporting that the person in custody was driving a vehicle with British Columbia license plates. Sources have also told ABC News that an incendiary device was found in the blue van.

110 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:36:16pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

Self inflicted gunshot or bear attack?

If it's the guy who shot the ranger I'm am sort of hoping for fall, injury, and then the ice weasels got him.

111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:38:42pm

re: #110 oaktree

Honey badger...

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:39:32pm

re: #110 oaktree

If it's the guy who shot the ranger I'm am sort of hoping for fall, injury, and then the ice weasels got him.

The Great Sodomizing Sasquatch.

113 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:39:59pm

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honey badger...

Yes, but in this case the honey badger does give a care.

Too bad for him.

114 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:40:41pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Great Sodomizing Sasquatch.

I haven't seen that guy in years! Fun guy at a party, but watch out for the, well, you know.

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:43:44pm

Hey Steve! The Cowboys released Jerry Jones!

116 Olsonist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:44:13pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Great Sodomizing Sasquatch.

Hmmm. The Santorum is frozen. Yep, it could only have been The Great Sodomizing Sasquatch.

117 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:45:47pm

Local Family Disturbed by Topless Occupy Protest

EUGENE, Ore. -- A Eugene woman is speaking out after she and her family accidentally stumbled upon a topless protest outside City Councilor George Poling's house.

The woman says she was taking her six and eight year old boys out to look at Christmas lights when she saw a group of topless women, with bags over their heads and red paint on their bodies.

She said the demonstration was being video taped by a man.

The footage you see in the video above of the incident is from YouTube. We've blurred out portions of it due to its explicit nature.

It's the second protest outside Poling's house by Occupy Eugene members.

The woman who spoke to us did not want her face on camera but says her children are terrified and she's worried that Occupy Eugene is out of control and instilling fear in the community.

"My 6-year-old asked if they had been beaten and why were they bloody... were the masks covering up bloody faces, he didn't know they were masks, he thought maybe they were bandages," said the woman wanting to remain anonymous. "They were terrified that they were going to follow us."

118 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:45:59pm

re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Steve! The Cowboys released Jerry Jones!

Dallas just does not have the players and the fans are revolting

119 Buck  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:47:51pm

re: #24 engineer dog

and if you ask the average wingnut what caused the recession they will tell you without missing a beat or thinking about it for a half a second that the recession was caused by liberals forcing banks to sell houses to "unqualified minorities"

Or they might say "unqualified buyers", and you hear "unqualified minorities".

120 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:49:47pm

re: #118 albusteve

Dallas just does not have the players and the fans are revolting

Oakland fans are revolting and have been for the last 40 years.

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:50:43pm

Afternoon all!

How's life in the new year?

122 Bear  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:50:46pm

Rainier suspect may also be involved with earlier shooting. [Link: www.king5.com...]

123 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:52:26pm

re: #119 Buck

Or they might say "unqualified buyers", and you hear "unqualified minorities".

Either way, they're completely wrong.

124 chunkymonkey  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:52:31pm

re: #106 Obdicut

The cause, sure. But the causes, definitely can be pointed out.

Good luck with that. Pure conjecture at the "LGF comment thread" level. There is not sufficient space or time here to argue about this here.

125 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:53:18pm

re: #121 ggt

Afternoon all!

How's life in the new year?

Hey ggt!, GATORS!! So far so good.

126 chunkymonkey  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:53:22pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Either way, they're completely wrong.

You might hear that. How would you know what anyone else hears?

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:53:42pm

re: #120 EdDantes

Oakland fans are revolting and have been for the last 40 years.

And revolted for twelve years.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:55:21pm

re: #119 Buck

Or they might say "unqualified buyers", and you hear "unqualified minorities".

Actually, no, that's what they say.

129 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:55:37pm

re: #126 chunkymonkey

You might hear that. How would you know what anyone else hears?

What are you talking about? I said, either way-- whatever you hear, they're completely wrong.

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:55:52pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Hey ggt!, GATORS!! So far so good.

oh geez, is it a football thread?

131 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:56:44pm

re: #130 ggt

oh geez, is it a football thread?

No, just moi.

132 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:57:35pm

re: #120 EdDantes

Oakland fans are revolting and have been for the last 40 years.

"You said it! They stink on ice!"

133 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:57:46pm

Pam announces that she's hosting another hatefest at CPAC this year.....
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

I wonder if they'll serve turkey sandwiches as snacks.

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:58:24pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Pam announces that she's hosting another hatefest at CPAC this year...
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

I wonder if they'll serve turkey sandwiches as snacks.

Has anyone told her what the Birchers think about Jews?

135 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:58:28pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Well, water is halal, so they better avoid that. Better make it grain alcohol.

136 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:58:33pm

re: #83 Obdicut

Actually, that'd probably get you kicked out of Columbia.

Giving course credit for participating in political campaigns is pretty old hat. However, that she's so pro-Occupy may be a problem if she can't keep her objectivity in check if someone writes critically of their experience.

I agree. Perfectly acceptable, as long as they give equal credit to students who participate in conservative political campaigns, e.g. tea party.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:59:08pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Where does she find the time?!?!

138 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:59:35pm

re: #135 Obdicut

Well, water is halal, so they better avoid that. Better make it grain alcohol.

Pam, a gin soaked barroom queen

139 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:59:58pm

Derp

140 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:00:56pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Derp

Ah, how cute, a dead-thread troll.

141 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:01:40pm

re: #140 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, how cute, a dead-thread troll.

It would be cuter with garlic.

142 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:02:02pm

re: #140 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, how cute, a dead-thread troll.

Yeah. I like the "crime" part.

Duh-e.

143 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:03:50pm

for Pam

Youtube Video
144 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:04:22pm

Well, the Christmas Tree that made it thru 20 years and . . . 5 puppies, 4 kittens, 1 male child and 3 moves did not make it past Brat Puppy. It is bundled and ready for the garbage truck at the end of the week.

145 Simply Sarah  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:04:36pm

re: #140 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, how cute, a dead-thread troll.

Well, at least dead thread ones are, unintentionally, polite enough not to come derail a thread people are actually active on.

146 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:06:05pm

re: #119 Buck

Or they might say "unqualified buyers", and you hear "unqualified minorities".

no, they say "unqualified minorities"

face up to it, buck

147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:06:11pm

re: #145 Simply Sarah

Well, at least dead thread ones are, unintentionally, polite enough not to come derail a thread people are actually active on.

It's cowardice, not politeness.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:08:37pm

Ron Paul and His Bigots
~ Ed Koch

149 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:09:39pm

a mild 55deg here in the sunny valley of the Rio Grande...doors and windows are open, a mild breeze through the bunkhouse...pantry is full, booze plentiful, plenty of good erb, my mother loves me...life is good

150 Simply Sarah  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:10:42pm

re: #147 ggt

It's cowardice, not politeness.

Oh sure. I'm not about to give them credit for not being as annoying as possible. Still, nice to not have to deal with it.

151 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:11:25pm

re: #147 ggt

It's cowardice, not politeness.

no big deal...it's always been that way, that's why threads stay open...I like a few lunatics here and there, let em go ding nutty, who cares?

152 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:14:57pm

i'm tempted to predict that the "shockah" news out of iowa tomorrow will be palin coming in 3rd or 4th on write-ins

153 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:16:02pm

re: #152 engineer dog

i'm tempted to predict that the "shockah" news out of iowa tomorrow will be palin coming in 3rd or 4th on write-ins

It's a caucus, so there are no "write-ins".

However, IIRC, at each caucus there can be an "uncommitted" corner in which people can congregate.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:16:17pm

re: #152 engineer dog

i'm tempted to predict that the "shockah" news out of iowa tomorrow will be palin coming in 3rd or 4th on write-ins

I expect I'll spend much of the day checking the polls.

155 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:22:06pm

re: #153 freetoken

It's a caucus, so there are no "write-ins".

However, IIRC, at each caucus there can be an "uncommitted" corner in which people can congregate.

hmmmmn... cnn thinks write-ins are allowed:

At all caucus sites, voters can write in the name of anyone they like. It is not limited to official presidential candidates.

[Link: articles.cnn.com...]

156 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:22:52pm

re: #153 freetoken

It's a caucus, so there are no "write-ins".

However, IIRC, at each caucus there can be an "uncommitted" corner in which people can congregate.

tribal...what a joke

157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:24:08pm

Heeey Gators! Beat Ohio State. My finger puppet helped!

cid:96541C4E-A172-40B6-85A2-F33AD6F8ABA4/photo.JPG

158 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:24:48pm

Bs iPad that I cannot figure out for the hell of me

159 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:25:39pm

re: #155 engineer dog

hmmmn... cnn thinks write-ins are allowed:

At all caucus sites, voters can write in the name of anyone they like. It is not limited to official presidential candidates.

[Link: articles.cnn.com...]

So we could have a win for Tim Tebow?

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:26:35pm

The fucking (literal and figurative) Duggars are in Iowa stumping for Santorum.

Having 19 babies is deranged if you ask me.

161 Simply Sarah  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:26:36pm

re: #159 EmmmieG

So we could have a win for Tim Tebow?

It might even be the thing he has the best chance of winning in the next week.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:27:53pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The fucking (literal and figurative) Duggars are in Iowa stumping for Santorum.

Having 19 babies is deranged if you ask me.

I like sleep.

163 Simply Sarah  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:29:08pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The fucking (literal and figurative) Duggars are in Iowa stumping for Santorum.

Having 19 babies is deranged if you ask me.

You'd probably be a bit nutty too if you had to raise 19 kids!

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:30:28pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The fucking (literal and figurative) Duggars are in Iowa stumping for Santorum.

Having 19 babies is deranged if you ask me.

People can have nineteen babies if it suits them.

This does rather put paid to claims from their fans that there's no ideological component to their industry though.

165 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:32:54pm

re: #155 engineer dog

Each caucus is a meeting, literally a gathering of people ("tribal" in Steve's words.)

Certainly one can stand by themselves, but most people congregate under banners of candidates' names, in order to persuade the un-persuaded. Yes, "tribal". Only then is the count made, after the group-pressure has had its work.

So, I suppose, if you want to nominate Ms. XYZ, you can stand by yourself, try to convince others that Ms. XYZ is the person, and you all can then vote for that person.

But I really doubt there will be much of that, given the wide selection of nuttery all ready on offer to top the GOP pizza.

Even after the count is made, this is not the selection for the actual delegates. There is a state convention later, after county conventions. So the actual final count of delegates for Ms. XYZ could be 0 even if some locals show up on Tuesday and do a secret ballot with her name.

166 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:35:35pm

Looking at the various news articles today on the Obama's ending their holiday vacation - from perusing the comments, it seems there will be no shortage of ODS this year.

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:37:09pm

The Duggars and the Santorums both kept the miscarried fetuses with them. The Santorums, home to spend the night, the Duggars, with a nice photo. Feet the size of match heads, being held in Mom's hand. All blown up for everyone to mourn at the memorial.

Each to their own, but not at all within my realm.

169 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:41:45pm

Occupy the Rose Parade: 5,000 Protesters, Giant Octopus Fail to Make Live TV

​Apparently the 70-foot octopus float carried by an estimated 5,000 Occupy L.A. protesters at the end of today's Rose Parade wasn't awesome enough for KTLA, the premiere local station covering the event.

Reporters gushed over marching bands, floral arrangements and even a police horse brigade led by LAPD Chief Charlie Beck. But after float No. 43 had passed the finish line, the cameras shut off.

I guess they just aren't newsworthy anymore.

Here's some footage:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
170 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:43:02pm

re: #159 EmmmieG

So we could have a win for Tim Tebow?

I like write ins. In 1976 my brother and I wrote in Eugene McCarthy rather than vote for Ford or Carter.

171 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:44:35pm

re: #153 freetoken

However, IIRC, at each caucus there can be an "uncommitted" corner in which people can congregate.

Presumably those are the ones who don't have TV and don't read the news. Seriously, if one can't make up one's mind by now there is something wrong with them.

Why are they there at all?

172 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:45:06pm

re: #169 NJDhockeyfan

Using an octopus calls to mind some bad anti-semitism.

Image: tumblr_kxrcze1PQ51qb50y9o4_400.jpg

Also, stuff against Standard Oil.

Image: Standard_oil_octopus_loc_color.jpg

Hopefully the reference was intended for the latter, rather than the former.

173 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:45:52pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

That is gross.

174 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:46:33pm

re: #171 Naso Tang

Presumably those are the ones who don't have TV and don't read the news. Seriously, if one can't make up one's mind by now there is something wrong with them.

Why are they there at all?

One could easily decide that none of the candidates are worth voting for and still consider themselves a Republican.

175 Coracle  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:47:05pm

re: #172 Obdicut

I think tentacular creatures have been used for myriad villains over time. I wouldn't put it down to any one ideology.

176 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:47:25pm

Iowa Republicans deserve the crankodoodle choices they are getting.

Sadly, they are intent on dragging down the entire country with them into the gutter.

177 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:48:12pm

re: #175 Coracle

I think tentacular creatures have been used for myriad villains over time. I wouldn't put it down to any one ideology.

Except one of the organizers has a pretty lurid anti-Semitic history.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:48:23pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Using an octopus calls to mind some bad anti-semitism.

Image: tumblr_kxrcze1PQ51qb50y9o4_400.jpg

Also, stuff against Standard Oil.

Image: Standard_oil_octopus_loc_color.jpg

Hopefully the reference was intended for the latter, rather than the former.

Could be but I guarantee it's not intended for this.

Image: DSC03890.JPG

180 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:50:15pm

This is for Glenn "Paulbot' Greenwald

181 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:50:44pm

re: #180 Gus 802

This is for Glenn "Paulbot' Greenwald

Badass.

182 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:50:52pm

re: #175 Coracle

I think tentacular creatures have been used for myriad villains over time. I wouldn't put it down to any one ideology.

Great story. I read it 35 years ago,

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

183 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:52:33pm

re: #181 Varek Raith

Badass.

Run for the hills! He's going to take us to the FEMA camps!

//

184 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:53:00pm

New avatar test.
Thanks Gus.

185 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:53:21pm

Is Santorum still foaming rising?

186 Coracle  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:54:44pm

re: #177 Obdicut

I don't dispute that, nor do I dispute he might like that kind of connection. However, he gets it only we give it to him. The octopus-as-villain trope is simply not owned by the anti-semites.

187 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:54:52pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

New avatar test.
Thanks Gus.

Ha! Love it. Here's another one.

Image: rambo-obama-II.jpg

188 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:55:41pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Irony in Action

Election Day Registration, No Photo ID Requirement Will Help Boost Turnout In Tomorrow’s Iowa Caucuses

I have a feeling Ron Paul's caucus numbers aren't going to be as high as everyone thinks they will be. It's just a hunch.

189 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:55:48pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Ha! Love it. Here's another one.

Image: rambo-obama-II.jpg

Youtube Video
190 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:56:46pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Ha! Love it. Here's another one.

Image: rambo-obama-II.jpg

Switched.
:)

191 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:57:29pm

Ohio Earthquake Linked To Fracking Injection Wells

On New Year’s Eve, a magnitude 4.0 earthquake struck northeastern Ohio, the second quake to strike the region in a week. Saturday’s earthquake, which occurred in an area not typically known for this type of natural disaster, is being traced back to fluid injection wells at a Youngstown fracking site. According to the Akron Beacon Journal, “the quake was the 11th over the last eight months in Mahoning County, all within two miles of the injection wells.” They also point out that injection wells have been linked to earthquakes in other states as well, including Arkansas, West Virginia, Colorado and Texas. Two of the Ohio injection wells in question are now being shut down.

Science!

192 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:58:06pm

re: #190 Varek Raith

Switched.
:)

Better. More detail on his face.

193 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 1:59:31pm

re: #186 Coracle

Oh, I don't think that's what the average dude there thought it was a reference to.

194 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:00:15pm

re: #175 Coracle

I think tentacular creatures have been used for myriad villains over time. I wouldn't put it down to any one ideology.

Paul the Pulpo agrees. This is slander. RIP his 8 sweet arms.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

195 freetoken  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:01:24pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

It comes off as one of those strange rituals, sort of like some death rituals, or weird religions of remote indigenous tribes.

Kind of like painting skulls with flowers, which a corner of Austria is famous for I believe.

Weird stuff.

And then they act shocked when the rest of us just look at them with raised eyebrows.

196 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:02:38pm

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

Charles Johnson is in my 2012 Dead Pool. I predict he’ll choke on a poorly chewed cheetos, unable to wash it down with the urine he saves in the Mountain Dew bottles he surrounds himself with next to his keyboard.

What a lovely sentiment!

197 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:03:13pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Ha! Love it. Here's another one.

Image: rambo-obama-II.jpg

God, he's hot.

198 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:03:47pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

God, he's hot.

Yeah. I think I managed to develop a man crush on Obama by doing that.

//

199 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:04:06pm

re: #196 Charles

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

What a lovely sentiment!

How...
Specific.

200 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:04:36pm

re: #196 Charles

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

What a lovely sentiment!

Think I recognize the "theme" in that stupidity.

201 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:05:18pm

re: #196 Charles

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

What a lovely sentiment!

Uhh, cheetos and mountain dew were the classic internet slurs of the early 2000's. These peeps try so hard to be with it, but fail.

202 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:05:56pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

Uhh, cheetos and mountain dew were the classic internet slurs of the early 2000's. These peeps try so hard to be with it, but fail.

Behold the Cheeto Jesus!

Youtube Video
203 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:07:44pm

re: #196 Charles

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

What a lovely sentiment!

Charles, I didn't know you ate Cheetos. Crunchy or puffs?

204 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:08:03pm

re: #196 Charles

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

What a lovely sentiment!

Why do you get all the attention? Not fair.

205 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:08:42pm

re: #203 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Charles, I didn't know you ate Cheetos. Crunchy or puffs?

The crunchy jalepeno Cheetos are a guilty pleasure.

206 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:09:01pm

Hey, I found a whole site dedicated to the use of octopus as imagery:

[Link: vulgararmy.com...]

The first one up there is very appropriate.

207 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:10:20pm

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

CHEEJUS!

omg

208 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:11:46pm

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

Behold the Cheeto Jesus!

[Video]

It ain't easy being cheesy.

209 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:13:28pm

OK, you may have heard that @rupertmurdoch is now on twitter. Check out his photo! OMG

210 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:17:39pm

KILLED IT. YOU KILLED IT STANLEY SEA.

211 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:17:50pm

Here's that octopus pic, to remind us that these problems are not new:

Image: tumblr_lul98sO3UO1qb50y9o1_500.png

“NOT EVEN-HANDED JUSTICE: Crushing the scorpion of anarchy but sparing the octopus of monopoly”, Artist William A. Rogers, published in Harper’s Weekly, January 21, 1888.

212 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:18:37pm

re: #210 BigPapa

KILLED IT. YOU KILLED IT STANLEY SEA.

WHA? updinged for the love!

213 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:19:50pm

re: #211 Obdicut

Here's that octopus pic, to remind us that these problems are not new:

Image: tumblr_lul98sO3UO1qb50y9o1_500.png

“NOT EVEN-HANDED JUSTICE: Crushing the scorpion of anarchy but sparing the octopus of monopoly”, Artist William A. Rogers, published in Harper’s Weekly, January 21, 1888.

As a child of November, I take issue with that !!

214 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:21:44pm

re: #210 BigPapa

KILLED IT. YOU KILLED IT STANLEY SEA.

Brrraaaiiinnnsss...

215 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:24:19pm

Never liked Cheetos, actually. Things that stain your fingers yellow should not be eaten.

216 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:25:53pm

re: #215 Charles

Never liked Cheetos, actually. Things that stain your fingers yellow should not be eaten.

No Doritos either then?

217 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:26:35pm

re: #214 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Brrraaaiiinnnsss...

"I know you're there; I can smell your brains!"

219 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:29:26pm

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No Doritos either then?

Worse ,, he doesn't eat Marlboros!

220 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:30:06pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

Worse ,, he doesn't eat Marlboros!

Youtube Video
221 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:30:21pm

re: #215 Charles

Never liked Cheetos, actually. Things that stain your fingers yellow should not be eaten.

Orange. I say it is orange. Respectfully. :)

222 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:30:51pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

Worse ,, he doesn't eat Marlboros!

be a Man...eat Marlboros and herd cats

223 albusteve  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:32:45pm

those Texas catboys...sitting tall astride their mounts....USA!

224 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:34:02pm

Cheetos is the paint huffing equivalent in the food world.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:34:17pm

re: #206 Obdicut

Personally, I am sick and tired of my cephalopod cousins being demonized in the media.
/

226 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:35:12pm

re: #222 albusteve

be a Man...eat Marlboros and herd cats

A modern-day warrior
Mean mean stride,
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean mean pride.

227 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:37:02pm

re: #226 EdDantes

A modern-day warrior
Mean mean stride,
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean mean pride.

There is no need to bring Rush into this.

228 jaunte  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:38:57pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

OK, you may have heard that @rupertmurdoch

That might really be Steve Doocy.

229 darthstar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:39:45pm

Bubbles up? Really? Well done, Charles. I'm impressed.

230 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:44:21pm
“Every barrel of oil that comes out of those sands in Canada is a barrel of oil that we don’t have to buy from a foreign source,” Mr. Perry said in Clarinda, earning a loud round of enthusiastic applause.

Wait, what?

231 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:47:20pm

re: #211 Obdicut

Here's that octopus pic, to remind us that these problems are not new:

Image: tumblr_lul98sO3UO1qb50y9o1_500.png

“NOT EVEN-HANDED JUSTICE: Crushing the scorpion of anarchy but sparing the octopus of monopoly”, Artist William A. Rogers, published in Harper’s Weekly, January 21, 1888.

I like this octopus.

232 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:47:40pm

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, what?

Canada. America's hat.

//

233 darthstar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:47:57pm

Went for a 32 mile bike ride today...Felt pretty good, and I made it up a hill that defeated me last time I did this ride (only about a 700 foot climb, but at mile 22 I'm like, "Fuck me...") - maybe I don't need a granny gear after all.

Really wanted a burger after the ride, but all the fuckin' tourists created a 40 minute wait at the brewery...so I had to be satisfied with some country style pork spare ribs I braised last night. Life is okay.

234 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:48:19pm

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, what?

Plus, the oil pipeline the GOP wants to push through means we can sell it overseas for even more so the oil companies can make bigger profits at our expense.

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:49:31pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Indefinite detention!!!
///

236 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:50:22pm

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, what?

Oh,crap! He thinks Canada is our 51st state!

237 Gus  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:51:05pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

Indefinite detention!!!
///

Liar!

Image: rambo-obama-II.jpg

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:51:19pm

re: #236 EdDantes

That's not supposed to happen until 2076. Maybe Perry is a Time Lord.

239 Kragar  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:56:24pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

That's not supposed to happen until 2076. Maybe Perry is a Time Lord.

The Bumbler?

240 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 2:57:26pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Canada. America's hat.

//

America (USA, that is)
Canadas socks!!

//

241 DobermanBoston  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 3:02:47pm

re: #196 Charles

Hey, Jim Hoft's fans are talking about me again:

What a lovely sentiment!

That's odd. I usually hear the Cheetos/mother's basement stereotype applied to tinfoil hat/Alex Jones types.

242 Capt. Kuhn  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 4:22:37pm

Hey, there, denizens. After lurking for a bit, thought I'd stop by while the sun's still shining.

243 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 4:24:16pm

re: #242 captaincoon

Then come post in the active thread.

244 Capt. Kuhn  Mon, Jan 2, 2012 4:25:27pm

re: #243 Obdicut

Oop. I'll be right up.


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