Rick Santorum Wants To Outlaw Birth Control

The Republican Party’s total war on women’s rights

WingnutsJanuary 2012 • Views: 30,884

This election will go down in history as the time when the religious right completely stopped trying to hide anything about their atavistic agenda, and just let everything pour out in a flood of bigotry and misogyny.

Rick Santorum, as one of the most fanatical and deranged representatives of this cult, makes it clear once again that they’re not simply trying to stop abortion — it’s about having total control over women’s reproductive systems: Santorum: States Should Have The Right To Outlaw Birth Control.

Rick Santorum reiterated his belief that states should have the right to outlaw contraception during an interview with ABC News yesterday, saying, “The state has a right to do that, I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that. It is not a constitutional right, the state has the right to pass whatever statues they have.” Watch the Jake Tapper interview:

Santorum has long opposed the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling “that invalidated a Connecticut law banning contraception” and has also pledged to completely defund federal funding for contraception if elected president. As he told CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart in October, “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country,” the former Pennsylvania senator explained. “It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

That last sentence is a jaw-dropper. Clearly, it just drives Santorum and his fundamentalist pals crazy to think women might actually enjoy sex.

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93 comments

albusteve Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:03:35am

and I want to outlaw Rick Santorum....he's toxic and dangerous

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:05:16am

The dangers of contraception?

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:05:45am

Yay, smaller government, states rights.

9_9

albusteve Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:06:30am

"the way things are supposed to be"...
chew on that little gem

Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:06:50am

Well, as I and many other people before me have said, they don't want to and never intended to stop at overturning Roe. They want to get rid of Eisenstadt and then they want the Holy Grail of reversing Griswold and eliminating the right to privacy and to any sort of control by women of their bodies.

And that's not including the non-sex and reproductive stuff they want to do to women. I mean, you have Ron Paul talking about how we should just quit if we get sexually harassed.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:03am

I guess Santorum is also for States legalizing same sex marriage. After all it is not a constitutional right, the state has the right to pass whatever statues they have.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:17am

This is not, for Santorum, about whether women enjoy sex or not, it's about his deeply rooted convictions that a. intercourse should occur only in marriage, b. be open at all times to conception and c. that the state has the right to enforce this religious code on everyone, because it is 'natural law'.

(As much as I despise Rick, it's actually a pleasant change to have a fanatic running for office who I can 'read'. The Evangelicals confuse me.)

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:25am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The dangers of contraception?

Translation: "Dangers" of independent women who are able to have sex outside the confines of marriage and for a purpose other than procreation.

albusteve Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:34am

DOWN WITH BONER PILLS!

Locker Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:38am

This is a prime example of the hypocritical arrogance of the right wing. Constantly play the victim while doing everything they can to jam their religious majority view into our governmental and legal systems to the detriment of the minority.

They actually feel justified and righteously believe that THEY should decide what everyone else should be doing. THEY are the only moral compass and the law should only support and protect people who have the same compass.

Fuck you.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:43am

Limited government = states' rights = individual states should be able to discriminate as much as they want against any group; federal government should be limited in its attempts to prohibit such discrimination.

The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:07:52am

...and that's why the Duggars--who are Quiverfull in all but declaration--endorsed a Catholic.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:08:02am

re: #9 albusteve

DOWN WITH BONER PILLS!

Thats a medical issue.
/

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:08:07am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I guess Santorum is also for States legalizing same sex marriage. After all it is not a constitutional right, the state has the right to pass whatever statues they have.

That's where natural law comes in to save the day. He's only not using the phrase because it might confuse the base.

BongCrodny Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:09:13am

If you're doing things differently from "how things are supposed to be," doesn't that sort of make contraception unnecessary?

erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:09:40am

What an epically creepy man. Creepy in ways that wind-direction-checking pandering blowhards like Newt can never really be.

What, me worry? Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:09:47am

If only the Santorum (and the Republicans) were as serious about tackling the economy and job creation as much as they're interested in what's up our vajayjays, the world would be a better place. *sigh*

bluecheese Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:09:51am

frothy mixture

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:10:04am

re: #11 Sergey Romanov

Limited government = states' rights = individual states should be able to discriminate as much as they want against any group; federal government should be limited in its attempts to prohibit such discrimination.

And if they do we will somewhat ironically scream "group rights", "government dependent" and "reverse discrimination" until we are blue in the face!!!@1

Obdicut Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:10:16am

Because we really want 18 year olds desperate to get laid marrying the first person they can. That'll lead to great things.

The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:11:02am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

That's where natural law comes in to save the day. He's only not using the phrase because it might confuse the base.

Discussion of natural law leads to Thomism, which leads to Popery. It's better not to draw attention that direction, given the audience he's clearly aiming for.

re: #11 Sergey Romanov

Limited government = states' rights = individual states should be able to discriminate as much as they want against any group; federal government should be limited in its attempts to prohibit such discrimination.

Smaller, more efficient bullies

AK-47% Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:11:06am

re: #19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

All are trumped by (Santorum's inteporetation of ) "natural rights".

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:11:10am

re: #20 Obdicut

Because we really want 18 year olds desperate to get laid marrying the first person they can. That'll lead to great things.

Just so long as they don't get any support from tax payer money.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:11:56am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I guess Santorum is also for States legalizing same sex marriage. After all it is not a constitutional right, the state has the right to pass whatever statues they have.

You're confused Santorum for...well, anybody with a conscience. He's all for a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. You should know by now that Republicans are all for government legislating morality, provided it's morality they agree with.

M. Dubious Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:12:16am

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country”

What are the dangers of contraception? Are we sure he's not talking about the dangers of contraption? I think he is. No president has ever talked about the dangers of contraption before.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:12:33am

re: #20 Obdicut

They are trying to make the US a Christian Saudi Arabia, in many ways.

Like hell I'll let that happen.

Also, though he doesn't know it yet, my Dad's Family (His Mom and Dad, along with some others) are now turning against him. Another incident, and he has a big problem.

Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:13:17am

It's about control of women. In this case, it's about control of our bodies as sexual objects (Which these types seem to think is all that our bodies are). We should only have sex when they tell us to, with who they tell us to, and how they tell us to do it. Our only purpose is for making and raising babies and anything that might change that cannot be tolerated.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:13:21am

Imagine if Beethoven's parents used contraceptives!

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:13:37am

re: #20 Obdicut

Because we really want 18 year olds desperate to get laid marrying the first person they can. That'll lead to great things.

Yeah, just ask Bristol Palin...er, okay, bad example.

thatthatisis Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:13:45am

So Santorum says the States have a right to outlaw contraception.

Something tells me he wouldn't say a state has the right to pass a law saying that abortion was legal up to the moment of actual delivery.

When it comes to these conservatives, where you sit is where you stand.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:14:48am

re: #15 BongCrodny

If you're doing things differently from "how things are supposed to be," doesn't that sort of make contraception unnecessary?

No. A straight couple having sex outside of marriage is 'different from how things are supposed to be'. As is a straight married couple having sex with contraception.

Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:15:16am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

No. A straight couple having sex outside of marriage is 'different from how things are supposed to be'. As is a straight married couple having sex with contraception.

And gays are right out!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:15:19am

It is the natural order of things for organisms to die of a cause other than old age. It is the natural order of things for women to bear more children than is good for their bodies. It is the natural order of things for males to challenge each other and fight, often to the death, for hunting grounds and females; you only keep what you can defend.

Biology is brutal and just wants the species to survive. Your personal happiness is irrelevant.

I say we go on thwarting the natural order of things with medicine, science, and law.

What, me worry? Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:15:33am

If you outlaw contraception, only outlaws will have contraception!

Uh huh! Think about that for a minute. Um... Yea!

M. Dubious Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:15:37am

A quick Google search for "dangers of contraption" yielded no results. I think he's on to something.

erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:16:19am

re: #27 Simply Sarah

It's about control of everyone. Women just happen to be more strongly biologically affected.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:16:26am

re: #32 Simply Sarah

And gays are right out!

Oh, that goes without saying. We ALL agree on that. But some of us are soft on the creeping rot that is contraception.

iossarian Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:16:49am

re: #32 Simply Sarah

And gays are right out!

That's for certain.

I'm less sure on where masturbation is at right now. Any up-to-date Catholics out there who can enlighten us on Santorum's position vis-a-vis the hand jive?

The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:17:35am

re: #33 EmmmieG

It is the natural order of things for organisms to die of a cause other than old age. It is the natural order of things for women to bear more children than is good for their bodies. It is the natural order of things for males to challenge each other and fight, often to the death, for hunting grounds and females; you only keep what you can defend.

Biology is brutal and just wants the species to survive. Your personal happiness is irrelevant.

I say we go on thwarting the natural order of things with medicine, science, and law.

I 100% guarantee that when people like Santorum speak about natural law/the natural order they don't mean biology in any form. They really are invoking Thomas Aquinas.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:17:39am

re: #32 Simply Sarah

And gays are right out!

Someone should tell Rick hetero sex causes abortions.

M. Dubious Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:17:54am

re: #38 iossarian

That's for certain.

I'm less sure on where masturbation is at right now. Any up-to-date Catholics out there who can enlighten us on Santorum's position vis-a-vis the hand jive?

It's ok as long as you do it in solitude.

Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:18:07am

re: #36 erik_t

It's about control of everyone. Women just happen to be more strongly biologically affected.

OK, fine. However, the vast brunt of it when it comes to sexual activity lands on women.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:18:15am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

No. A straight couple having sex outside of marriage is 'different from how things are supposed to be'. As is a straight married couple having sex with contraception.

If Santorum should beat the odds and win the nomination, the Obama campaign should beat him upside the head daily with the "how things are supposed to be" line. Like asking him if states should also be able to outlaw in-vitro fertilization, as it goes against "how things are supposed to be." Or if he believes that giving children up for adoption should be done away with, as parents giving up their children isn't "how things are supposed to be."

Mattand Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:19:05am

“It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

The amount of barely restrained self-loathing/sexual repression in that sentence is staggering.

How is Ricky's brand of Christianity any different from the more misogynist forms of Islam? Sounds like he'd cover women in Jesus-emblazoned burkas if he got the chance.

I also love that he once represented a state that has a town called Intercourse.

ProGunLiberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:19:10am

Well, Wikipedia is teaching me about issues in the world right now.

Apparently, Norway has a Butter Crisis (a shortage to be exact).

Sweden and Denmark are helping.

A number of individuals have been apprehended by the authorities for attempting to smuggle butter across the border, while Swedes have posted online adverts offering to drive butter to Norwegians at prices of up to NOK 460 (€59; £50; $77) per packet. Danish dairy businessman Karl Christian Lund has sought to drum up demand for his own butter by handing out thousands of packs in Kristiansand and Oslo, while Swedish supermarkets have offered free butter to Norwegian customers to entice them to do their shopping across the border. On the Swedish side of the southeastern border at the Svinesund, stores have reported selling twenty times as much butter as normal, with nine out of ten buyers being Norwegians. A Danish television show broadcast an "emergency appeal" for viewers to send butter and gathered 4,000 packs to be distributed to butter-starved Norwegians. Danish airports and ferries crossing the straits between the two countries now stock butter in their duty-free stores.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:19:12am

re: #40 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Someone should tell Rick hetero sex causes abortions.

As the saying goes; Butt sex is wild and you don't get a child.

So I've heard.

ref: Saddlebacking

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:20:15am

OK. Which GOP candidate is going to come up with a statement endorsing a Constitutional amendment to enstate the Divine Right of Kings? Isn't that how things are supposed to be under God's Will?

Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:20:56am

re: #44 mattand

The amount of barely restrained self-loathing/sexual repression in that sentence is staggering.

How is Ricky's brand of Christianity any different from the more misogynist forms of Islam? Sounds like he'd cover women in Jesus-emblazoned burkas if he got the chance.

I also love that he once represented a state that has a town called Intercourse.

It's not much different, other than it comes shrouded in an American flag and is carrying a cross.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:21:29am

re: #44 mattand

The amount of barely restrained self-loathing/sexual repression in that sentence is staggering.

Old joke;

A man and his wife are having sex when he stops and asks her if she's ok.

"I'm fine. Why do you ask?"

"You moved."

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:22:21am

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

Is this one of those times when two words were put together and given a definition that you have to have heard to understand, rather than what the definition of the two words would indicate?

I hate that.

Natural = of nature

Law = the way things will be

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:23:21am

re: #38 iossarian

That's for certain.

I'm less sure on where masturbation is at right now. Any up-to-date Catholics out there who can enlighten us on Santorum's position vis-a-vis the hand jive?

I taught at a Catholic high school for two years without this coming up. I think if I had asked one of the priests about what to say to the kids, the answer would have been both jovial and realistic. Salesians have been running boys' schools for a hundred and seventy years or something.

As for the official line, religioustolerance.org says:

More recently, the Church has condemned masturbation -- and a shopping list of other sexual activities -- because they don't meet two criteria:

Acceptable sexual acts can be performed only by one woman married to one man.
Every sexual act must be open to the possibility of conception.

However, some liberal Catholic moral theoligians deviate from the Church's teachings, as do many of the Catholic laity.

Santorum is, I can pretty much assure you, vehemently against masturbation. Probably won't bring it up in the race, though.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:23:34am

Did you know they are going to be giving nuns birth control?

The hormones will cut their breast cancer rates, which are higher than the rest of the population.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:23:47am

re: #40 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Someone should tell Rick hetero sex causes abortions.

Not if we ban those too.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:25:14am

re: #43 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If Santorum should beat the odds and win the nomination, the Obama campaign should beat him upside the head daily with the "how things are supposed to be" line. Like asking him if states should also be able to outlaw in-vitro fertilization, as it goes against "how things are supposed to be." Or if he believes that giving children up for adoption should be done away with, as parents giving up their children isn't "how things are supposed to be."

Santorum won't win the nomination, she said firmly.

And yes, he probably does think it should be possible to ban in-vitro, which the Church opposes.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:25:47am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember that being one of my 'what the fuck' moments with Catholicism, growing up. Like "really? God hates masturbation? Then I think he's kind of incompetent or weird, because he accidentally made it THE BEST THING EVER. If this is some competition between god and the devil and the devil has masturbation on his side, then sorry, J-man, I'm with Stan. And so is everyone else. Have fun up in heaven with the totally asexual weirdos."

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:25:50am

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Old joke;

A man and his wife are having sex when he stops and asks her if she's ok.

"I'm fine. Why do you ask?"

"You moved."

Or this one:

He: How come you never tell me when you have an orgasm?

She: Because you're never around when I have an orgasm.

M. Dubious Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:27:25am

re: #55 Obdicut

You're a Stanist? Figures.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:27:31am

re: #56 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or this one:

He: How come you never tell me when you have an orgasm?

She: Because you're never around when I have an orgasm.

Ever heard about (place whoever you like here) foreplay?

"BRACE YOURSELF!"

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:27:43am

re: #50 EmmmieG

Is this one of those times when two words were put together and given a definition that you have to have heard to understand, rather than what the definition of the two words would indicate?

I hate that.

Natural = of nature

Law = the way things will be

Natural law is something I discovered due to my father's fascination with right-wing Catholic websites. (He likes to stir the pot). Its fans believe that it's entirely self-evident, working from basic principles. To anyone who's not part of the Aquinas fangroup, it strongly resembles an attempt to insist that the social beliefs of one's own group are somehow manifestly correct to everyone with eyes to see.

Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:27:49am

Rick Santorum Wants To Outlaw Birth Control... after he brings back a strengthened patriarchy circa 1500s. #weakmen #mensrights #confederates #archaica #douchenozzles

Obdicut Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:27:54am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

There's also a big split on this between the Catholic laity and the church. Especially American Catholics, most of whom really think the church is actually wrong about this. American Catholics significantly differ from the Church on abortion, as well.

iossarian Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:27:55am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Santorum is, I can pretty much assure you, vehemently against masturbation. Probably won't bring it up in the race, though.

Fnarr fnarr.

erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:28:43am

re: #61 Obdicut

There's also a big split on this between the Catholic laity and the church. Especially American Catholics, most of whom really think the church is actually wrong about this. American Catholics significantly differ from the Church on abortion, as well.

American Catholics, Santorum would tell you, aren't really Catholics.

Depending on how you feel about Scotsmen, he's not entirely incorrect.

Mattand Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:30:31am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Santorum is, I can pretty much assure you, vehemently against masturbation.

In public, at any rate.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:30:33am

Or this one:

2 guys are having a discussion about how many times a week a married couple has sex. They disagree on the number so one of the guys says he'll call and ask his wife.

"Hey baby, how many times a week would you say we have sex?"

"Who is this?"

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:30:36am

re: #52 EmmmieG

Did you know they are going to be giving nuns birth control?

The hormones will cut their breast cancer rates, which are higher than the rest of the population.

When I was teaching Catholic elementary, one of my coworkers went to the mat with the diocese over her birth control pills. She was married to another woman, but had been prescribed them for some other health thing. They wouldn't pay for birth control on our coverage, but she insisted that since she was not using the pills as birth control, they should cover them. They did, eventually, but it was a tussle.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:34:01am

re: #61 Obdicut

There's also a big split on this between the Catholic laity and the church. Especially American Catholics, most of whom really think the church is actually wrong about this. American Catholics significantly differ from the Church on abortion, as well.

One of my father's friends...an old-school Italian-American Catholic who gave generously to everything the Church had going on...was once heard to say, of stem-cell research, that "Someone is giving the Holy Father bad information."

American Catholics are strong-minded, pious and educated, and the laity tend to quietly make their own decisions on a number of fronts, birth control being key among them. This frustrates the hell out of Rome, but there it is.

Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:34:19am

Mike Bickle Warns that Homosexuality 'Opens the Door to the Demonic Realm'

"[he] recently said in an interview about homosexuality that gays and lesbians must “declare war” against their sexual orientation or will face “flaming missiles of the Evil One.” He warned that gays and lesbians, along with heterosexuals who have sex before marriage, who “give up and give in” will ultimately begin “denying the faith,” which “opens the door to the demonic realm to touch them.”

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:35:27am

re: #63 erik_t

American Catholics, Santorum would tell you, aren't really Catholics.

Depending on how you feel about Scotsmen, he's not entirely incorrect.

The term I sometimes hear people use is 'cafeteria Catholics', those who believe that you can pick and choose between the teachings of the Church.

Pisses me off no end. I'm fond of American Catholics.

Lidane Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:36:02am

re: #3 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yay, smaller government, states rights.

9_9

Don't forget individual liberty and freedom, since the far right is all about those, too. =P

erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:36:14am

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Same, and same. At least on a relative scale (ZOMG MORAL RELATIVISM).

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:37:15am

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mike Bickle Warns that Homosexuality 'Opens the Door to the Demonic Realm'

See, this is the thing. I understand where Santorum is coming from. I don't agree with him, but I get the rules. And then these Protestants come along, with the literal demons lurking all over the place, and I just give up. WTF?

Isn't this the Bickle who's constantly being attacked by demons? What is HE doing to let them out of the bag?

Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:37:23am

Can anyone really blame atheists for expressing contempt for fundamentalist (evangelical, whatever) religion when it arrives at this level?

This is the American Taliban in sheep's clothes.

allegro Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:38:25am

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mike Bickle Warns that Homosexuality 'Opens the Door to the Demonic Realm'

“flaming missiles of the Evil One.”

Why is it that their fantasies of punishment so often sound... kinky sexual.

Petero1818 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:38:42am

re: #1 albusteve

and I want to outlaw Rick Santorum...he's toxic and dangerous

You know, it sounds crazy but NY or CA should test this. Try to introduce a bill banning Rick Santorum from entering the state. As he says, it is not a constitutional issue, he doesnt question the right of a state to pass statutes that limit what other's think are constitutional rights.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:38:52am

re: #73 Naso Tang

Can anyone really blame atheists for expressing contempt for fundamentalist (evangelical, whatever) religion when it arrives at this level?

This is the American Taliban in sheep's clothes.

I don't see why atheists should have all the fun.

Lidane Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:39:10am

re: #74 allegro

Why is it that their fantasies of punishment so often sound... kinky sexual.

Because they're a bunch of sexually repressed assholes who don't have any other outlet for all that guilt and shame they live with. =P

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:39:33am

re: #75 Petero1818

You know, it sounds crazy but NY or CA should test this. Try to introduce a bill banning Rick Santorum from entering the state. As he says, it is not a constitutional issue, he doesnt question the right of a state to pass statutes that limit what other's think are constitutional rights.

California wouldn't be a good test ground for it.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:39:39am

re: #74 allegro

Why is it that their fantasies of punishment so often sound... kinky sexual.

Self-loathing con repression can have that effect.

Danger to self, and others.

allegro Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:40:50am

re: #77 Lidane

Because they're a bunch of sexually repressed assholes who don't have any other outlet for all that guilt and shame they live with. =P

So it was likely one of those guys who wrote The Devil in Miss Jones? That certainly seems to put it all clearly in story form, don't it.

Coracle Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:42:02am

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mike Bickle Warns that Homosexuality 'Opens the Door to the Demonic Realm'

"[he] recently said in an interview about homosexuality that gays and lesbians must “declare war” against their sexual orientation or will face “flaming missiles of the Evil One.” He warned that gays and lesbians, along with heterosexuals who have sex before marriage, who “give up and give in” ... “opens the door to the demonic realm to touch them.”

That's kinky. There's a lot of great erotica that deals with that subject.

So I've heard.

Flaming Missiles of the Evil One is going to be the name of my next band.

Petero1818 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:42:14am

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

California wouldn't be a good test ground for it.

Well I don't like its chances of passing, but the victory is getting it considered. Given CA rules on ballot initiatives, there is a decent chance of getting it on a ballot.

What, me worry? Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:43:04am

re: #81 Coracle

That's kinky. There's a lot of great erotica that deals with that subject.

So I've heard.

Flaming Missiles of the Evil One is going to be the name of my next band.

LOL Bickle and the Flaming Missiles. How can you go wrong?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:44:05am

re: #82 Petero1818

Well I don't like its chances of passing, but the victory is getting it considered. Given CA rules on ballot initiatives, there is a decent chance of getting it on a ballot.

Yeah, you could do that.

Petero1818 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:48:25am

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, you could do that.

Finding half a million people who like sex enough to get this one on the ballot seems like a no brainer. Isn't there a ballot measure to force condoms on the CA porn industry? If you can get enough signatures for that, how hard is it going to be to get enough people who want to ban Santorum.

JeffM70 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:48:54am

I have no doubt Rick Santorum's wife does not enjoy sex with him.

Eventual Carrion Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:49:10am

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mike Bickle Warns that Homosexuality 'Opens the Door to the Demonic Realm'

Man, and all these years I have been trying with pentagrams, goat heads, candles, and "The Book of the Dead". And here all I needed to do was call the guy down the road to come over for a party.

Ming Tue, Jan 3, 2012 12:08:17pm

re: #40 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Someone should tell Rick hetero sex causes abortions.

This is such an important point! I've always been pro-choice, but I'm starting to have mixed feelings about very-late-term (e.g. 8 months of pregnancy). Abortion is a wrenching issue, with good people on both sides. Just about the only thing I can think of that EVERYONE should agree on is to promote contraception, to minimize the number of abortions.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 12:24:56pm

“It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

Dear Rick,

In the case of an ex-gf of mine, birth control ('The Pill') gave her a license to do things in the biological realm. Specifically, it allowed her, through medication, to better regulate her abnormal hormonal imbalance.

Without 'The Pill', she could have two menstrual cycles in one month, or sometimes skip a month, and generally was locked into a miserable emotional roller coaster. And even though the bitch dumped me, I still want her and women like her to have that option legally available and easy to access.

In short, fuck you.

NVAudiophile Tue, Jan 3, 2012 12:42:16pm

re: #88 Ming

...Just about the only thing I can think of that EVERYONE should agree on is to promote contraception, to minimize the number of abortions.

Couldn't agree more. Plus, by ensuring that contraception (and reproductive health services in general) is widely available, you would get the added benefit of improving outcomes for women when they do decide to have children.

sagehen Tue, Jan 3, 2012 12:45:30pm

re: #27 Simply Sarah

It's about control of women. In this case, it's about control of our bodies as sexual objects (Which these types seem to think is all that our bodies are). We should only have sex when they tell us to, with who they tell us to, and how they tell us to do it. Our only purpose is for making and raising babies and anything that might change that cannot be tolerated.

I think he even goes farther than that -- it's not just control of women, it's control of everybody. Lots of husbands would also like to keep having sex even after they've got as many kids as they want. Some of those husbands would like there to come a time when the kids are all in school and the wives can be full-time paycheck-pursuers.

labman57 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:05:41pm

Irony. The same folks who push for legislation permitting anyone to carry a concealed weapon in public are also those who want to prevent people from obtaining birth control.

Because they believe in "protection", they just don't believe in "protection".

Etaoin Shrdlu Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:09:37pm

re: #75 Petero1818

You know, it sounds crazy but NY or CA should test this. Try to introduce a bill banning Rick Santorum from entering the state. As he says, it is not a constitutional issue, he doesnt question the right of a state to pass statutes that limit what other's think are constitutional rights.

I'm certainly no fan of Santorum, but that would be a bill of attainder, which is quite explicitly unconstitutional.

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