Andrew Breitbart and 'The Turner Diaries'

Andrew Breitbart and ‘The Turner Diaries’

A tale of right wing dishonesty and ugly hatred

WingnutsJanuary 2012 • Views: 35,935

This morning we have yet another sordid tale of right wing dishonesty and smear tactics — and for once they’re not attacking the black President. They’re after me. And you won’t believe the ridiculous nonsense they’re circulating all over the right wing blogs and Twitter, with help from none other than the King of Fraud himself, Andrew Breitbart.

Our story begins with the Page posted over the weekend by LGF user “goddamnedfrank:” ‘Diary of Daedalus’ Stalker Blog Links to Pro-Turner Diaries Video.

At one of the blogs dedicated to relentlessly stalking and libeling LGF users and me, Frank discovered that one of the administrators, a vile creature who calls himself “Rodan” (real name: Rick Martinez), had posted a threatening video addressed to me — a video that openly praised Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, and promoted the ugly white supremacist novel “The Turner Diaries” with images of the Oklahoma City bombing. This blog has also often posted articles denying the Serbian genocide against Muslims, praising Serbian war criminals such as Ratko Mladic and Slobodan Milosevic as heroes and patriots.

If you’re not familiar with “The Turner Diaries,” it’s a novel by neo-Nazi William Luther Pierce (under the pseudonym “Andrew Macdonald”), about a violent revolution in the United States that leads to the mass murder of all Jews and non-whites. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh cited this evil book as one of the inspirations for his terrorist act.

The video posted at the stalker blog included pictures of people executed by hanging and other menacing imagery, and it has since been removed by YouTube. Here’s their reason:

This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube’s policy on shocking and disgusting content.

You probably won’t be surprised to learn that the video was apparently produced by white supremacists connected with the Stormfront neo-Nazi site; read the comments for Frank’s Page for more information on this.

This is where it gets interesting, because Andrew Breitbart and his cohort Dana Loesch have been frequently linking to this stalker blog (despite its long history of genocide denial), when they want to attack me on Twitter. And Breitbart’s ego has been horribly stung recently by my revelations of the ugly hate speech posted all over the comments of his websites, and nearly every other right wing site.

The geniuses at the stalker blog decided to counter-attack.

Since LGF pointed out that they’re posting neo-Nazi videos praising The Turner Diaries, it became necessary for them to try to turn the tables and use The Turner Diaries against me.

So, in a monumentally mendacious smear, they went to my custom Amazon store, used the form at the top left of the page to search for “turner diaries,” and promptly posted the search results page all over Twitter and their blogs, claiming that I was deliberately selling this book in my personal Amazon store.

Here’s the screenshot they posted:

Go ahead and try it yourself; you can search for anything on my Amazon store page, and the search results will be displayed exactly as shown above.

Needless to say, I absolutely did not pick The Turner Diaries as one of my featured products — and they know it. They’re simply flat-out lying in a blatant attempt to smear my reputation.

And then, here came Andrew Breitbart, parroting their dishonest smears (in a reply to one of the anonymous stalkers):

Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs is PROFITING from the racist Turner Diaries? How low can the freak go!? @SlinkyBewmont @Lizardoid

— AndrewBreitbart (@AndrewBreitbart) January 9, 2012

It’s bad enough that Breitbart frequently links to a blog run by Serbian genocide deniers, but now he’s actually promoting something he must know is nothing more than an outright lie. What you see here is pure desperation, a need to say anything at all to smear me, in order to distract attention away from their disgusting hate speech and relentless race-baiting.

The moral of this story is that my work exposing these haters has really been hitting home.

And they’re not going to stop me.

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261 comments

Targetpractice Mon, Jan 9, 2012 11:55:25am

You know you're over the target when you start taking flak.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 11:58:36am

The guy who made the video they're happily linking to, and that Breitbart is defending, also posted this defense of Breivik:

Anyway, government people may beat us, rob us, kill us - as long as they follow the law (which they wrote themselves) and wear uniforms. By this magick of written law and worn uniform, the class of ubermenschen may initiate force and we may not defend ourselves. Quite neat, huh?

Now, enter Anders Behring Breivik.

By shooting to death 69 kids, he surely transgressed the non-aggression principle. But, precisely, why do all the mainstream media, politicians and public opinion condemn him? They are not libertarians. They do not uphold non-aggression principle as an absolute axiom, as we do. Why do they think that Anders Breivik committed a crime, while soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan, or SWAT policemen during a raid are not criminals? Huh? Why the dividing line?

It is quite baffling.

Did Anders Breivik wear a uniform? He did.

Did Anders Breivik act under objectively defined law? He did.

Well, he wrote his manifest himself - just like government who writes his own tyrannical laws.

What differentiates Anders Breivik from a murderous policeman, soldier or a tax collector?

Listen closely. NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.

That's right. This pro-Pinochet video was made by a dude who's comparing American soldiers and cops to Breivik. Which is what I'd expect out of a pro-Pinochet dude, really.

But let that sink in: The dudes at the stalker blog are happily posting a video that supports Pinochet, murderer of more than 3000 of his own citizens and the citizens of other countries, including Americans, and supports Breivik, slaughterer of children and coward.

Randall Gross Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:01:17pm

What would else would you expect from someone who recycles used Nazi agit prop on his sites already?

[Link: gawker.com...]

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:01:40pm

Because if there is one thing Breitbart can support, its spurious accusations based on sham evidence.

erik_t Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:01:50pm

I'm glad someone is willing to stand up to chickenshit smears like this. I am reasonably confident I'd put up an explanation for why they were bullshit, then slink off and live a quiet life.

Good for you, Mr. Johnson.

God of Binders with Women Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:02:42pm

I'd sue the fat fuck.

wiffersnapper Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:03:05pm

Haters gonna hate.

Well played, Charles!

Interesting Times Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:03:35pm

Every accusation coming from rightwing extremists like Breitbart is nothing but malicious, malevolent, mega-projection. Their arguments have no merit to speak of - they're merely an endless and not particularly original variation of NO U!

CuriousLurker Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:05:06pm

And it’s not going to stop me.

THIS.

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:05:17pm

The boy that cried ACORN strikes again. Sorry for all your troubles with this jackass Charles.

EdDantes Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:06:06pm

Per Obama, "Bill Daley wants to spend more time with his family." Can't they come up with something original?

Romantic Heretic Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:06:54pm

Charles? There's no clearer indication you're doing good work than these scumbags inventing evidence to try and undermine that work.

Well done!

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:08:00pm

I have an Amazon search box at the Zionist Mall so it is theoretically possible to purchase "The Turner Diaries" from the Zionist Mall.

If you use the "Amazon recommends" widget there is no way that you can prevent any title sold on Amazon from appearing in the "recommended" panel, which means that if I use the keyword "Zionist" a bunch of ANTI-Zionist titles could show up.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:08:46pm

The current publishers of Turner Diaries are Barricade Books, who are first amendment freaks. They are not a white supremacist outfit, but they do publish Turner Diaries along with a lot of other controversial stuff.

The Turner Diraies are pretty unbelievably horrific. I've read them, as I've read a lot of anti-semitic crap, because it pays to know your enemy. The writing is not very good, but the crazed energy of it is frightening; it's good, occasionally, to confront yourself with a monster on that level. I despise the author of the book and all those who are 'inspired' by it, but there are valid reasons to read it, just as there are valid reasons to read any work of evil.

Anyone who says anything even remotely in praise of it is someone who should be treated as crazy or evil.

Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:09:45pm

And now, I'm putting these stalker freaks back on IGNORE -- until Breitbart tries to use them as a source again. They've completely discredited themselves.

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:10:49pm

re: #14 Obdicut

The current publishers of Turner Diaries are Barricade Books, who are first amendment freaks. They are not a white supremacist outfit, but they do publish Turner Diaries along with a lot of other controversial stuff.

The Turner Diraies are pretty unbelievably horrific. I've read them, as I've read a lot of anti-semitic crap, because it pays to know your enemy. The writing is not very good, but the crazed energy of it is frightening; it's good, occasionally, to confront ones-self with a monster on that level. I despise the author of the book and all those who are 'inspired' by it, but there are valid reasons to read it, just as there are valid reasons to read any work of evil.

Anyone who says anything even remotely in praise of it is someone who should be treated as crazy or evil.

Sounds alot like Mein Kempf. I had to read some of that when studying nationalism theory. Not pleasant reading. The author of the Turner diaries I believe was a physicist by training. Used to see the guy interviewed when I saw specials on white supremacism. Truly an awful individual.

RadicalModerate Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:11:23pm

From the best of my knowledge, Charles has never employed, nor tolerated anyone with white supremacist ties on this site. The same cannot be said about Andrew Breitbart.

I'm guessing that for his next trick, Andrew is going to claim that either the SPLC supports the KKK or the ADL is a front group for neo-Nazis. I mean they both make just as much sense as this idiocy does.

lawhawk Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:12:14pm

re: #2 Obdicut

This guy thinks that Breivik operated under color of authority of the law in Norway? That's pretty screwed up right there considering that there's no law that gives a private citizen the right to murder dozens of kids on a youth leadership gathering.

There's no comparison whatsoever between a legally sanctioned military action (whether you agree with its justification or not) and a criminal terrorist who murders people in cold blood. But you're right - that he's even trying to make the argument is illuminating.

freetoken Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:13:05pm

re: #15 Charles

They've completely discredited themselves.

They've never had any credit with me nor I suspect with most people, who are able to think while reading.

Stalkers are like lice - parasites. The internet is in desperate need of strong delousing agents.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:16:29pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Yes. Or it's like reading the facts of the Sandusky case. It's awful, but we have to understand what happened, what is capable of happening, so we can protect ourselves against it.

A friend of mine who grew up very, very sheltered as a Jew in a nearly all Jewish suburb of Philly, big into heavy metal, went to a white power concert by accident since he was so naive and didn't recognize any of the symbols or language.

When there are people who actually want to kill you, knowing something about them is a good idea.

makeitstop Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:16:32pm

Way to make 'em squirm, Charles.

kirkspencer Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:16:38pm

I find myself wondering if they've got an amazon widget on their sites, too.

John Vreeland Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:16:40pm

To Andrew Breitbart the TRUTH is whatever you can make up convincingly.

EdDantes Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:18:00pm

re: #23 Vreejack

To Andrew Breitbart the TRUTH is whatever you can make up convincingly.

" A lie is as good as the truth if someone believes it." - Flip Wilson

freetoken Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:18:25pm

re: #23 Vreejack

To Andrew Breitbart the TRUTH is whatever you can make up convincingly enough to sell.

Expanded for emphasis.

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:18:49pm

re: #20 Obdicut

Yes. Or it's like reading the facts of the Sandusky case. It's awful, but we have to understand what happened, what is capable of happening, so we can protect ourselves against it.

A friend of mine who grew up very, very sheltered as a Jew in a nearly all Jewish suburb of Philly, big into heavy metal, went to a white power concert by accident since he was so naive and didn't recognize any of the symbols or language.

When there are people who actually want to kill you, knowing something about them is a good idea.

Yeah good to be informed in that way. I was googling for a good quote to use on my paper on the pogroms but my search got directed in to a Stormfront page filled with quotes by historical figures bashing Jews.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:18:49pm

re: #18 lawhawk

This guy thinks that Breivik operated under color of authority of the law in Norway? That's pretty screwed up right there considering that there's no law that gives a private citizen the right to murder dozens of kids on a youth leadership gathering.

There's no comparison whatsoever between a legally sanctioned military action (whether you agree with its justification or not) and a criminal terrorist who murders people in cold blood. But you're right - that he's even trying to make the argument is illuminating.

The guy is a Randian absolutist, who claims to uphold non-aggression above everything else-- so therefore anyone showing 'aggression', like the military, is below him morally. Strangely, he also is fine with warfare against lesser races to take their land-- I'm not sure how that works.

He's a piece of work. All the more frightening because there's clearly a level of intelligence there. He's very Breivik-like, except he claims to eschew violence, while praising others who use violence.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:19:16pm

re: #20 Obdicut

A friend of mine who grew up very, very sheltered as a Jew in a nearly all Jewish suburb of Philly, big into heavy metal, went to a white power concert by accident since he was so naive and didn't recognize any of the symbols or language.

Sounds like a character out of a Daniel Clowes comic.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:20:05pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Sounds alot like Mein Kempf. I had to read some of that when studying nationalism theory. Not pleasant reading. The author of the Turner diaries I believe was a physicist by training. Used to see the guy interviewed when I saw specials on white supremacism. Truly an awful individual.

Mein Kampf features in 'The Book Thief', so some of my students wanted to read it. They got a copy through library exchange. They also explained to the lady at the desk that they, a couple of bright-eyed kids in Catholic school uniforms, were reading it 'only for academic interest'.

RadicalModerate Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:20:09pm

Speaking of "False Flag" operations, this one is starting to get a bit interesting.

Kosovo native plotted Tampa bombings, feds say

(CNN) -- A Florida man, arrested Saturday for allegedly plotting to bomb night clubs and the sheriff's headquarters in Tampa, Florida, faces a federal judge on a terror charge Monday afternoon, federal prosecutors said.

Sami Osmakac, a 25-year-old naturalized American born in Kosovo, planned a car bombing that would be followed by hostage-taking and the explosion of a suicide belt he planned to wear, according to a criminal complaint made public Monday.

"We all have to die, so why not die the Islamic way?" Osmakac allegedly told an undercover FBI employee, according to the complaint.

The federal investigation of Osmakac began in September when a "confidential human source" told the FBI that Osmakac, a resident of Pinellas Park, Florida, "asked for al Qaeda flags," the complaint said.

A law enforcement official, who asked not to be identified because the official was not authorized to talk about the probe, said the suspect does not appear to have any ties to al Qaeda, and early information indicated he was "self-radicalized."

"I don't have any indication anyone else was involved in the plot and pushing this," the official said.
[...]
FBI agents arrested Osmakac Saturday night, just after he "made a video of himself explaining his motives for carrying out the planned violent attack," the government said.

He is scheduled to make an initial appearance before U.S. Magistrate Judge Anthony Porcelli in Tampa at 2 p.m. Monday on one count of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.

"This investigation was also predicated, in part, by assistance from the Muslim community," U.S. Attorney Robert E. O'Neill said

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:22:13pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Mein Kampf features in 'The Book Thief', so some of my students wanted to read it. They got a copy through library exchange. They also explained to the lady at the desk that they, a couple of bright-eyed kids in Catholic school uniforms, were reading it 'only for academic interest'.

Yeah, I'd feel weird getting it from the library. Only have read excerpts. It's chilling since this was his blueprint.

engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:22:14pm

"for millions of americans, the suffering began when mitt romney came to town"

just thought i'd say it again since i like the sound of it so much...

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:22:34pm

This is where it gets interesting, because Andrew Breitbart and his cohort Dana Loesch have been frequently linking to this stalker blog...

Just when I think Breitbart can't get any slimier.

gummitch Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:22:47pm

"Rodan" has been smearing dung on political blogs for years under a number of noms d'slime. Sometimes it takes the blog a long time to kick him out, and he often finds his way back under a different name. The only one that sticks in my mind (used heavily at Think Progress a few years ago) was Trajan.

I believe he was also the pathetic individual who created Think Progress Watch, which occasionally got as many as a dozen hits per day. His name(s) attached to anything automatically brands it as a filthy, stupid lie.

SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:23:12pm

When they aren't denying the genocide in the Balkans, they are celebrating it. Also they defend the Spanish inquisition and make public appeals for deporting all Muslims from the US. Perfect Breitbart source.

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:24:53pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

When they aren't denying the genocide in the Balkans, they are celebrating it. Also they defend the Spanish inquisition and make public appeals for deporting all Muslims from the US. Perfect Breitbart source.

Crusades apologists too. Funny for their proclaimed love of Jews since Jews were just as much victimized as Muslims were in those.

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:25:17pm

Clearly this stunt which was initiated by one of the said website's goon squad doesn't change a thing. It's clearly a distortion as Charles indicated and can even pull up one of Andrew Breitbart's book. It doesn't change the fact that they linked to a video created by a know white supremacist that was also a member of Stormfront more of which can be seen here. Their history and this denial leads me to believe as it should others that they in fact agree with the white supremacist Kel Thuz. This isn't something people should take lightly because the type of behavior and rhetoric we see here is what inspired Timothy McVeigh and Anders Breivik.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:25:48pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Oh really? Yet they claim not to hate Jews, right?

There isn't really a way to celebrate the Spanish Inquisition-- or the Reconquista, which came before it-- without celebrating the mass murder, forced conversion, and enslavement of Jews.

EdDantes Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:25:50pm

"Truth is a valuable thing. It must be used sparingly."- Sam Clemens

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:28:48pm

re: #38 Obdicut

Oh really? Yet they claim not to hate Jews, right?

There isn't really a way to celebrate the Spanish Inquisition-- or the Reconquista, which came before it-- without celebrating the mass murder, forced conversion, and enslavement of Jews.

It was done in the name of Christianity. Ergo it's fine. And we're all PC white guilt for remembering it.

engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:28:51pm

The Turner Diaries

i'm sure a number of breitbart's followers will be shocked to learn that breitbart has bad things to say about the turner diaries

ProGunLiberal Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:29:02pm

re: #30 RadicalModerate

That's truly unusual.

Albanians are in general Pro-American. REALLY Pro-American.

Got to wonder what got this guy going. Also, kudos to the Mosque. Wouldn't be surprised if it was another Albanian who turned him in.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:29:05pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Crusades apologists too. Funny for their proclaimed love of Jews since Jews were just as much victimized as Muslims were in those.

More so, in a way. The Muslims were at least all in countries where they could defend themselves militarily. The Crusades often slaughtered all the Jews in their path, and in Europe the hyper-religiosity of the Crusades meant vicious oppression of the Jews who were citizens there.

I really dislike apologists who try to pretend that Muslim vs. Jewish is some ancient bitter blood feud. The Christians still hold the Jewish-slaughter record, even without counting Hitler and the Nazis-- whose anti-semitism can be traced strongly to Martin Luther's savage hatred of the Jews.

Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:29:09pm

re: #34 gummitch

"Rodan" has been smearing dung on political blogs for years under a number of noms d'slime. Sometimes it takes the blog a long time to kick him out, and he often finds his way back under a different name. The only one that sticks in my mind (used heavily at Think Progress a few years ago) was Trajan.

I believe he was also the pathetic individual who created Think Progress Watch, which occasionally got as many as a dozen hits per day. His name(s) attached to anything automatically brands it as a filthy, stupid lie.

Rick Martinez has tried to register something like 20 different usernames at LGF.

Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:29:51pm

A cesspool of hate and misinterpretation there. Yuck.

Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:31:10pm

re: #11 EdDantes

Per Obama, "Bill Daley wants to spend more time with his family." Can't they come up with something original?

Jonathan Chait has an interesting take on the whole Daley thing:

Daley’s Demotion: How Washington Elites Got Obama Wrong

Avoid the comments, though. Four comments in and some loser starts pulling out the "Obama = Hitler" card.

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:31:13pm

re: #43 Obdicut

More so, in a way. The Muslims were at least all in countries where they could defend themselves militarily. The Crusades often slaughtered all the Jews in their path, and in Europe the hyper-religiosity of the Crusades meant vicious oppression of the Jews who were citizens there.

I really dislike apologists who try to pretend that Muslim vs. Jewish is some ancient bitter blood feud. The Christians still hold the Jewish-slaughter record, even without counting Hitler and the Nazis-- whose anti-semitism can be traced strongly to Martin Luther's savage hatred of the Jews.

Yep, this is true as well.

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:35:14pm

re: #28 negativ

Sounds like a character out of a Daniel Clowes comic.

Or a Woody Allen movie.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:38:46pm

re: #43 Obdicut

I recently came to the conclusion about the Crusaders and our issues today:

Crusades are to Christianity, as today's Terrorism is to Islam.

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:39:53pm

re: #34 gummitch

"Rodan" has been smearing dung on political blogs for years under a number of noms d'slime. Sometimes it takes the blog a long time to kick him out, and he often finds his way back under a different name. The only one that sticks in my mind (used heavily at Think Progress a few years ago) was Trajan.

I believe he was also the pathetic individual who created Think Progress Watch, which occasionally got as many as a dozen hits per day. His name(s) attached to anything automatically brands it as a filthy, stupid lie.

That would be Think Progress Watch.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:46:09pm

re: #49 ProLifeLiberal

I recently came to the conclusion about the Crusaders and our issues today:

Crusades are to Christianity, as today's Terrorism is to Islam.

You mean--damaging the thing they claim to be fighting for?

Probably.

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:48:07pm

Keep up the good fight, Charles!

ProGunLiberal Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:48:12pm

re: #51 EmmmieG

The ignorance too.

A match made in hell.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:49:29pm

CAIR springs into action...
CAIR Disavows Tampa Terror Suspect; Was There Entrapment?

Osmakac, a naturalized citizen born in Kosovo, was arraigned Monday on charges of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and faces a possible $250,000 fine and a maximum of life in prison.

Hassan Shibly, director of CAIR's Florida chapter, said Osmakac had been banned from several mosques and "was no friend of supporter of the Muslim community."

Shibly characterized Osmakac as a "self-radicalized lone wolf" and said the local community played "a vital role" in bringing him to the attention of the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Nonetheless, Shibly expressed "concern about a perception of entrapment" and said CAIR will monitor the case.

"The weapons and explosives were provided by the government. Was he just a troubled individual, or did he pose a real threat?" said Shibly, who was briefed by FBI agents prior to Osmakac's arraignment.

SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:50:16pm

re: #38 Obdicut

Oh really? Yet they claim not to hate Jews, right?

There isn't really a way to celebrate the Spanish Inquisition-- or the Reconquista, which came before it-- without celebrating the mass murder, forced conversion, and enslavement of Jews.

Rod an and his co-blogger speranza are both Hispanic, and will defend anything Spain has ever done, including the ethnic cleansing of the Americas

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:55:18pm

See, you can also get a copy of the Turner Diaries through the right wing "Peace Through Strength" Amazon store. It's just as simple as searching for the book you want in the search field if they have "books" in the pull-down menu. It's meaningless.

goddamnedfrank Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:56:22pm

I'm just going to apologize again for giving them reason to make this bullshit attack. I thought the clear incitement to and justification of mass murder in that video was worth breaking my policy of never talking about what goes on over there. When D-bag posted a video containing the Turner Diaries over the OK City bombing as a warning of what might be necessary to remove Obama if America didn't find it's "Pinochet," I thought that was a noteworthy level of implied violence for someone to address in a message to Charles and Gus.

Some of the posters over there are Jewish, Breitbart was raised Jewish, I thought they and others should take a second look at the kind of person they were supporting. I can see that some of them actually now have begun to question their association, and that's good. However I didn't count on this kind of desperate attempt at tu quoque using LGF's amazon store just to avoid actual thought. How many millions of books and products does Amazon sell? Even if it were possible to block people from searching for individual and specific items, and it's not possible to do that, it's ridiculous to expect an associate to go through the site and remove every bit of questionable kit.

Anyway I'm sorry I made it possible, that wasn't my intention. Charles has worked hared to craft a uniquely inclusive community here and doesn't deserve this shit. Like I said in the last thread I didn't agree with what I saw here for many years, but finally joined up when I saw that he was starting to turn the corner on rejecting the kinds of people who now populate the stalker sites. I've come to greatly respect the self awareness he's cultivated throughout that long process and believe this place wouldn't have become what it is without it.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:56:45pm

Police say terror suspect Sami Osmakac appears in online video

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:56:55pm

re: #49 ProLifeLiberal

I recently came to the conclusion about the Crusaders and our issues today:

Crusades are to Christianity, as today's Terrorism is to Islam.

There are certain commonalities, but the situations aren't parallel. In the Crusades, you see a more symmetric style of warfare--everyone sacks cities and meets in open battle--and also a greater degree of common agreement on the rules of warfare, even when they're being broken.

Also a greater mutual respect and understanding. Saleh ad-Din was considered a model of chivalry by the Crusaders, and Muslims considered many of the Crusader leaders to be good men and admirable leaders. That's almost unthinkable in the present conflict.

If you simply focus on the causes of the Crusades though--internal struggles, broke and displaced young men looking for glory, religious fanaticism, a laundry list of political and religious grievances...yes there's some connections to be drawn.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:57:54pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

I'm just going to apologize again for giving them reason to make this bullshit attack. I thought the clear incitement to and justification of mass murder in that video was worth breaking my policy of never talking about what goes on over there. When D-bag posted a video containing the Turner Diaries over the OK City bombing as a warning of what might be necessary to remove Obama if America didn't find it's "Pinochet," I thought that was a noteworthy level of implied violence for someone to address in a message to Charles and Gus.

Some of the posters over there are Jewish, Breitbart was raised Jewish, I thought they and others should take a second look at the kind of person they were supporting. I can see that some of them actually now have begun to question their association, and that's good. However I didn't count on this kind of desperate attempt at tu quoque using LGF's amazon store just to avoid actual thought. How many millions of books and products does Amazon sell? Even if it were possible to block people from searching for individual and specific items, and it's not possible to do that, it's ridiculous to expect an associate to go through the site and remove every bit of questionable kit.

Anyway I'm sorry I made it possible, that wasn't my intention. Charles has worked hared to craft a uniquely inclusive community here and doesn't deserve this shit. Like I said in the last thread I didn't agree with what I saw here for many years, but finally joined up when I saw that he was starting to turn the corner on rejecting the kinds of people who now populate the stalker sites. I've come to greatly respect the self awareness he's cultivated throughout that long process and believe this place wouldn't have become what it is without it.

Ain't your fault, dude. Crazy does what crazy is.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:58:00pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Police say terror suspect Sami Osmakac appears in online video

Looks like he's debating the Westboro Baptists in the 1st video

Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 12:58:42pm

Another interesting note: the link to my Amazon store is no longer posted at LGF. I removed it when Amazon temporarily suspended their California Associates program, and haven't put it back. It hasn't been visible here for months.

So the stalkers were actually hanging onto that link, waiting for an opportunity like this.

lawhawk Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:01:04pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

No reason to apologize for exposing the hate, venom, and obsessive/compulsive behaviors over there that has led us to this point.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:01:40pm

Hypothetical: So my neighbor runs over a cat. On purpose. Then takes a bunch of pictures of himself holding up it's corpse and laughing about it. So when I point out what a piece of shit he his for doing that, he lays a dead cat on my door step, takes a picture of that, then says "Look, The Behemoth did it too".

Like that. Good job, Breitbart. You have the mentality of a six year old sociopath.

lawhawk Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:01:53pm

re: #62 Charles

Which speaks to their OCD when it comes to all things LGF. It says more about them than it does you.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:02:34pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

I can see that some of them actually now have begun to question their association, and that's good.

I thought that was impossible. It is good.

Jamie Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:03:22pm

So does this mean that Breitbart should be attacked for selling his book at the "racist" LGF store?

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:03:58pm

re: #55 SpaceJesus

Rod an and his co-blogger speranza are both Hispanic, and will defend anything Spain has ever done, including the ethnic cleansing of the Americas

That's something the white supremacist they're linking too was really big on too, defending America's treatment of the American Indians based on the right of the enlightened white people to take over on racial and cultural grounds.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:05:43pm

re: #68 Obdicut

That's something the white supremacist they're linking too was really big on too, defending America's treatment of the American Indians based on the right of the enlightened white people to take over on racial and cultural grounds.

Muslims in Spain: Genocidal

Spaniards in Mexico: Totally unimportant

That's Rodan for you.

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:25:51pm

OT:

I found a picture of Sergey

Image: demotivational-posters-untitled3.jpg

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:28:06pm

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT:

I found a picture of Sergey

Image: demotivational-posters-untitled3.jpg

No, this is Sergey, singing:

Youtube Video

b_sharp Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:30:04pm

re: #27 Obdicut

The guy is a Randian absolutist, who claims to uphold non-aggression above everything else-- so therefore anyone showing 'aggression', like the military, is below him morally. Strangely, he also is fine with warfare against lesser races to take their land-- I'm not sure how that works.

He's a piece of work. All the more frightening because there's clearly a level of intelligence there. He's very Breivik-like, except he claims to eschew violence, while praising others who use violence.

Lesser races?
Can you spell "raving lunatic racist covered with bigot sauce?"
I knew you could.

ArchangelMichael Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:30:14pm

re: #71 Obdicut

No, this is Sergey, singing:

[Video]

You mean this isn't him?

Youtube Video

iossarian Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:30:25pm

re: #71 Obdicut

No, this is Sergey, singing:

[Video]

Thank you. I thought I was going to have to drink heavily this evening, but Trololo has snapped me out of it.

Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:30:48pm

re: #71 Obdicut

No, this is Sergey, singing:

[Video]

Not. A. Compliment.

*suppresses laughter in background*

b_sharp Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:34:09pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth

Hypothetical: So my neighbor runs over a cat. On purpose. Then takes a bunch of pictures of himself holding up it's corpse and laughing about it. So when I point out what a piece of shit he his for doing that, he lays a dead cat on my door step, takes a picture of that, then says "Look, The Behemoth did it too".

Like that. Good job, Breitbart. You have the mentality of a six year old sociopath.

Shades of burning crap in a paper bag.

Sionainn Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:36:45pm

re: #71 Obdicut

No, this is Sergey, singing:

[Video]

LOL. Love the haircut.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:38:01pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is weird, because, if my memory is correct, only the Almohads were bad.

The Almohads, by the way, were not Arab, but Berber.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:39:45pm

re: #78 ProLifeLiberal

Which is weird, because, if my memory is correct, only the Almohads were bad.

The Almohads, by the way, were not Arab, but Berber.

Muslim Spain was an astonishing civilization.

That's DEEPLY threatening to these sorts of people.

But it's a basic fact.

b_sharp Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:41:42pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Muslim Spain was an astonishing civilization.

That's DEEPLY threatening to these sorts of people.

But it's a basic fact.

When did wingnuts ever care about facts?
They're way too busy making up their own reality.

Amory Blaine Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:42:13pm

Good goddamn job Frank!!!!

Keep up the pressure Charles. We all appreciate your hard work.

blueraven Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:42:20pm

Breitbart proves once again, that he has not one ounce of integrity. That he is willing to lie, cheat or do whatever it takes to smear honest people. In fact, that is his favored MO.

b_sharp Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:44:57pm

re: #82 blueraven

Breitbart proves once again, that he has not one ounce of integrity. That he is willing to lie, cheat or do whatever it takes to smear honest people. In fact, that is his favored MO.

That is his image of a true American. Patriotism viewed in a carnival house of mirrors.

CuriousLurker Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:47:18pm

I can't stick around as I have work to do and already spent too much time typing out this comment, so I'll just leave it here and BBL:

I think maybe Charles is doing something or has access to something that he may not even be aware of, and all this spewing is just a distraction tactic. LGF may have fewer readers than it had in the past, but it’s not without clout. I may not have liked it much in its earlier incarnation, but was, and still is, one of the “grandfathers” of the political blogs whose influence opened the door for the many that followed.

Since his clean break with the ugliness on the political right—something Charles saw as far back as 2007 (correct me if I’m wrong on the year)—the right wing bloggers have been furious with him. They don’t simply want LGF (and Charles personally) to be irrelevant or so reduced in influence as to be effectively invisible, they want them completely discredited and gone, disappeared from the internet entirely.

Why? Yes, yes, to be sure some seem to have—to paraphrase researchok—an untreated pathology that just keeps getting worse, but they’re not all nutcases, no matter how distasteful they may be. It has to be something else. What? Something buried in the LGF archives? Some association or some old comment which, if discovered, would cause trouble for someone who has something to lose now?

Could be. Or it could just be that the constant digging & exposure of past associations of prominent right-wing politicians & bloggers being brought to light is something certain people want to go away. It must be especially troubling since Charles, have once been a member in good standing of their club, can hear the name of a group, publication, or individual and immediately flip through the database in his head to retrieve damning information. No doubt this ability makes his continued presence especially troublesome, even though he’s supposedly of little consequence.

What I’m saying, Lizards, is don’t let the intermittent junkyard dog attack tactics distract you. Think about the larger strategy to discredit that’s in play, and know that there wouldn’t be one without good reason. Keep doing what you do—keep your eyes open in the archives, on Twitter, on Google, on blogs & their comments, etc. And watch your back for "friends" who may not really be such.

Oh, and keep these two old ME proverbs in mind:

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

A jackal has swallowed a sickle. When the time comes for him to excrete it, you will hear his howling.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:48:20pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but it must be admitted the Almohads were First-Rate Assholes, unless I got them mixed up with their rivals.

Of course, there were others like this. Like the Crusade inciting Al-Hakim, or the cruel Ottoman Caliph Selim the Grim.

But we also had Suleiman the Magnificent, and a contender for best non-religious leader in Human History, Saladin. Bayezid II wasn't bad either.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:48:36pm

re: #80 b_sharp

When did wingnuts ever care about facts?
They're way too busy making up their own reality.

Talking to them about history is basically impossible. They do not deal well with things that aren't simple moral lessons, precisely tailored to their immediate political needs.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:49:30pm

re: #85 ProLifeLiberal

True, but it must be admitted the Almohads were First-Rate Assholes, unless I got them mixed up with their rivals.

Of course, there were others like this. Like the Crusade inciting Al-Hakim, or the cruel Ottoman Caliph Selim the Grim.

But we also had Suleiman the Magnificent, and a contender for best non-religious leader in Human History, Saladin. Bayezid II wasn't bad either.

No the Almohades were, in fact, first-rate assholes. It was due to them that Maimonides headed for Egypt.

b_sharp Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:50:39pm

BBL

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:50:59pm

the Attack of the Two Headed Breet....no guessing what this airhead will come up with next...one thing for sure, he's not very clever

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:54:56pm

re: #84 CuriousLurker

A jackal has swallowed a sickle. When the time comes for him to excrete it, you will hear his howling.

I hadn't heard that one before. I'll think of it next time an old sock pops up.

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:58:30pm

Rand Paul Explains His Family’s Opposition To Civil Rights Act: ‘It’s About Controlling Property’

RAND PAUL: There are things that people were concerned about that were unintended consequences [of the Civil Rights Act], for example, people who believe very fervently in people having equal protection under the law, and are against segregation and all that, still worried about the loss of property rights…for example, I can’t have a cigar bar any more, and you say, “well, that has nothing to do with race” — the idea of whether or not you control your property, it also tells you, come in here I want to know the calorie count on that, and the calorie Nazis come in here and tell me. [...] The point is that its not all about that. It’s not all about race relations, it’s about controlling property, ultimately.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:59:48pm

re: #84 CuriousLurker

What? Something buried in the LGF archives? Some association or some old comment which, if discovered, would cause trouble for someone who has something to lose now?

Geller has a bunch of what would ordinarily be considered embarrassing comments here, but nothing seems to embarrass her.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:02:25pm

Totally OT:

If you like really, really dark, weird Sci-Fi, check out Misfits on Hulu. It is really good, but really disturbing. I can't adequately explain it, but I really like it.

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:06:42pm

Turkish high court says calling gays "perverts" is an insult

A piece written by Yeni Akit columnist Serdar Arseven defined Üskül as "an AKP [Justice and Development Party] member who gave assurances to she-males” in reference to Üskül's words during the meeting in which he said the government guaranteed that gay and lesbian people would not be segregated because of their sexual orientation.

“[Üskül] went on and attended a meeting by sexual perverts! A meeting of [gays],” Arseven wrote.

KAOS GL filed a lawsuit against Yeni Akit and Arseven, seeking compensation for the headline and the related piece. But the lawsuits were rejected by two Ankara courts on the grounds that the newspaper was "within the limits of criticism."

But the High Court of Appeals overruled the decisions of the two courts, saying, "The freedom of the press does not encompass the freedom to insult the personal freedoms of individuals."

The court's decision said KAOS GL was an organization that sought to protect the rights of people with different sexual orientation and that Zafer Üskül was a member of Parliament who responded to requests by KAOS GL.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:09:05pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul Explains His Family’s Opposition To Civil Rights Act: ‘It’s About Controlling Property’

Paraphrased:

A person should have the right to keep the calorie Nazis out of their restaurant. Being allowed to keep black people out too is one of those unintended consequences that makes democracy difficult. It's a mistake to dwell on these things that are not what Luap Nor is about. Did you know we have a person of color on our staff?

HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:10:29pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul Explains His Family’s Opposition To Civil Rights Act: ‘It’s About Controlling Property’

controlling property huh Rand. Rand again shows why I don't have any respect for him and his father politically. He takes a question about civil rights and uses it to talk about "Calorie Nazis." Pathetic from anyone but especially a US Senator.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:12:00pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

controlling property huh Rand. Rand again shows why I don't have any respect for him and his father politically. He takes a question about civil rights and uses it to talk about "Calorie Nazis." Pathetic from anyone but especially a US Senator.

And the cigar bar "issue" is a big smooch to Limbaugh's behind.

Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:12:38pm

re: #82 blueraven

Breitbart proves once again, that he has not one ounce of integrity. That he is willing to lie, cheat or do whatever it takes to smear honest people. In fact, that is his favored MO.

Yes but think about what kind of people will buy the argument in the OP. Anyone who does deserves Breitbart, and they deserve him. Even morons deserve a leader.

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:12:38pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

controlling property huh Rand. Rand again shows why I don't have any respect for him and his father politically. He takes a question about civil rights and uses it to talk about "Calorie Nazis." Pathetic from anyone but especially a US Senator.

Calorie Nazis infringe on the the rights of actual Nazis!

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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:13:39pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

And the cigar bar "issue" is a big smooch to Limbaugh's behind.

That guy has so many right wingers kissing his ass, it's like a bunch of feudal lords telling "sire" how great he is.

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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:14:38pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Calorie Nazis infringe on the the rights of actual Nazis!

Freedom!

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:14:50pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

That guy has so many right wingers kissing his ass, it's like a bunch of feudal lords telling "sire" he is great.

Be fair. There is a lot of backside for them to smooch.

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:16:05pm

Rand Paul Explains His Family’s Opposition To Civil Rights Act: ‘It’s About Controlling Property’

o let us all bless the sacred property rights

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:16:26pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Freedom!

They fought like warrior poets, except they never actually enlisted in the military and poetry is gay.
/

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:16:47pm

re: #103 engineer dog

Rand Paul Explains His Family’s Opposition To Civil Rights Act: ‘It’s About Controlling Property’

o let us all bless the sacred property rights

But he'll legalize pot and stop the endless wars!

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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:18:42pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul Explains His Family’s Opposition To Civil Rights Act: ‘It’s About Controlling Property’

Meanwhile his crazy father is becoming a rock star with the press...

Ron Paul Abandons Event Amid Media Circus

Who thought the day would come when Ron Paul’s campaign would bemoan too much media coverage?

Ron Paul and his wife Carol were forced to abandon a breakfast campaign event this morning after the media circus became too much for the congressman and patrons of a diner to handle.

More than 50 cameramen and 100 members of the media descended on Moe Joe’s Restaurant in Manchester, New Hampshire.

The congressman slyly entered through the back door and attempted to shake hands with the breakfast crowd.

But when the cameras closed in, it became evident that moving inside the restaurant was impossible and Paul was quickly escorted out the back door.

Undaunted the cameras pushed out the door and surrounded Paul’s black SUV in the parking lot.

A woman who had waited for Paul in the restaurant pushed through the media hoard and very loudly and passionately pleaded for the congressman to go back inside.

“I’ll get the media to go away,” the woman screamed.

But her pleas were drowned out by a man with a bull horn who proceeded to taunt Paul, calling him “chicken” playing the chicken dance song over his loud speaker.

The scene rendered Paul’s SUV immobile for about 5 minutes – until his security was forced to move everyone out of the way.

...

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Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:20:35pm

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

But her pleas were drowned out by a man with a bull horn who proceeded to taunt Paul, calling him “chicken” playing the chicken dance song over his loud speaker.

This one of the most fitting responses to Paul I've ever seen. It's totally on his level.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:21:33pm

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

Meanwhile his crazy father is becoming a rock star with the press...

Ron Paul Abandons Event Amid Media Circus

Mah brain haz hurtz.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:22:58pm

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

“I’ll get the media to go away,” the woman screamed.

Images of Trashcanman from "The Stand" come to mind.

"MY LIFE FOR YOU!"

Image: 94228.gif

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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:23:37pm

First of all, kudos to Frank. The page was bumped up to the top again!

re: #84 CuriousLurker

I'm proud to support this site and I won't stop doing it. They attack to scare away LGF members, to make LGF "irrelevant". Charles, in fact, is so irrelevant, they have whole websites dedicated to talking about him! LOL

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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:25:29pm

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

Ron Paul and his wife Carol were forced to abandon a breakfast campaign event this morning after the media circus became too much for the congressman and patrons of a diner to handle.

Because being President would make you LESS obvious. Well alright then!

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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:27:03pm

Do you know this man?

Police arrest man named Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop

A man with a rather unique name was arrested by Madison police Thursday because police said he was violating bail conditions from previous problems with the law.

Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop, 30, Madison, was tentatively charged with carrying a concealed weapon, possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of marijuana and a probation violation after his arrest at about 3 p.m. in the 800 block of East Mifflin Street.

According to the police news release, residents near Reynolds Park called police because of alleged excessive drinking and drug use near the park.

"Officers contacted a subject they had previous dealings with, identified as Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop," said police spokesman Howard Payne.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:27:41pm

Looks like they're artificially pumping up the twitter counter for this post now, by clicking the shortened link over and over. Why they do this, I'll never understand.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:27:43pm

Breaking news! Santorum changed his mind. He did not in fact say "blah people's lives" but instead meant to say "plives."

He maintains that he did not say “black” people’s lives but rather stumbled verbally when he was trying to say “people’s lives” and uttered a short syllable that came out as “plives.”

True story.

Derp.

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makeitstop Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:28:54pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Breaking news! Santorum changed his mind. He did not in fact say "blah people's lives" but instead meant to say "plives."

True story.

Derp.

Well, that makes perfect sense.

///Need about 50 more of there.

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ArchangelMichael Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:29:02pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Images of Trashcanman from "The Stand" come to mind.

"MY LIFE FOR YOU!"

Image: 94228.gif

With this crowd, I think something more like: "M O O N... That spells limited gubmint!" would be more appropriate.

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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:29:06pm

Paure: #114 Gus 802

Breaking news! Santorum changed his mind. He did not in fact say "blah people's lives" but instead meant to say "plives."

True story.

Derp.

Caught with the hood on.

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Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:29:23pm

re: #113 Charles

It's always been one of their more confusing strategies.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:29:44pm

re: #113 Charles

Looks like they're artificially pumping up the twitter counter for this post now, by clicking the shortened link over and over. Why they do this, I'll never understand.

I think it's something like the "terrible twos."

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:31:18pm

re: #116 ArchangelMichael

With this crowd, I think something more like: "M O O N... That spells limited gubmint!" would be more appropriate.

He's over at the Rick Perry event.

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:36:26pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Breaking news! Santorum changed his mind. He did not in fact say "blah people's lives" but instead meant to say "plives."

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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:40:32pm

I could correct the Twitter count for the post, but hey -- if these stalkers want to make it look more popular, who am I to deny them their fun?

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:41:45pm

Stolen from someone on Twitter:

"Sure glad God answers Tim Tebow's prayers." ~Starving Child in Africa

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:42:59pm

re: #114 Gus 802

"To blave".

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:43:56pm

Dominionist Lance Wallnau: Government, Economy and Media Are Occupied by Satan

Well, the church is the equipping place, but the world system is where we haven’t gone. We’ve been going into all the nations to plant churches. We haven’t been going into all the nations to invade systems. We have to start to bring the Word of God, the teaching of Christ, into the systems. What systems? The governments need to be led by people with principle. That’s how you overthrow principalities, is people who have anointing and principles occupying high places. The media, right now the economics world, the media world and the government world is shaping every minute that you’re bumping into when you have a conversation….and education. What we need are believers going to the top of these systems because it’s where the high places are that Satan occupies the strong man’s house. And if you want to plunder the strong man’s house, you’ve got to go where the gates of Hell are located.

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:44:09pm

I'm looking at an inch of completely unpredicted snow outside.

Good evening.

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Digital Display Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:45:05pm

re: #123 engineer dog

Stolen from someone on Twitter:

"Sure glad God answers Tim Tebow's prayers." ~Starving Child in Africa

I got this text:
Tim Tebow is the most famous White Bronco since OJ's SUV..
/ Welcome to Oklahoma

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:45:44pm

re: #127 HoosierHoops

I got this text:
Tim Tebow is the most famous White Bronco since OJ's SUV..
/ Welcome to Oklahoma

Lol.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:51:13pm

The Club for Decay isn't happy:

Club For Growth Says Gingrich Should Apologize To Romney

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:51:59pm

Non-entity pedestrian undereducated husband of quitter endorses Gingrich.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:53:52pm

You gotta love it. Todd Palin endorses Gingrich. And this means what? Absolutely nothing.

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 2:54:58pm

re: #129 Lidane

The Club for Decay isn't happy:

Club For Growth Says Gingrich Should Apologize To Romney

poor boo-boo!

oh, and, by the way:

"for millions of americans, the suffering began when mitt romney came to town"

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:02:45pm

Detroit auto show signals a turnaround for the industry

Butthurt to follow.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:05:26pm

Fischer Laments that ‘We Have Feminized Public Policy’

If these differences are as profound as this study suggests, could that be the explanation for why God has designed men to be leaders in the home, leaders in the church and leaders in society? And I would suggest that the answer to that question is, “Yes.”

In fact, I’ll tell you how we have gotten into trouble in our public policy, is – I don’t know how to say this without getting myself in big trouble here – but the way we have gotten in trouble in our public policy is we have gotten away from masculine characteristics of public policy. We have feminized our public policy. Our public policy ought to be about stability, it ought to be about rule consciousness -- that’s the rule of law, the same rules apply to everybody, that’s what it ought to be about -- and vigilance. Instead, so much of our public policy has been driven by what? Sensitivity, warmth and fear. These are female characteristics, they’re feminine characteristics, they should not be the things that guide and control public policy.

So anyway, I probably just got myself in a big mess there, but again that’s not me saying it. That’s not me saying that men and women have distinct personalities and it’s inate, that’s a secular outfit, the Public Library of Science One Journal.

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:07:05pm

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer Laments that ‘We Have Feminized Public Policy’

Fear???
Dude, your entire religion was built around that!
Lol.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:12:56pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Detroit auto show signals a turnaround for the industry

Butthurt to follow.

why?

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:14:32pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

Fear???
Dude, your entire religion was built around that!
Lol.

Seriously. His entire worldview is shaped by belief in an angry, vindictive sky father who needs to be feared and who demands absolute fealty or he'll rain down destruction and chaos on everyone.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:14:41pm

re: #136 albusteve

why?

Because some folks are always saying that auto industry is dead. WRT to the GM bailout and as usual it's the typical ODS. Or in a nutshell, it ruins the plans for those, as Rush Limbaugh said in 2009, "I want Obama to fail."

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:15:37pm

Should be getting a bit more traffic now on this thread. ;)

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Idle Drifter Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:16:41pm

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Two years ago, Fischer provoked national controversy when he said that the United States had “feminized” the Medal of Honor by granting it to those who who have saved lives, not just those who have killed enemy troops.

FUCK THE WHAT! Fischer is beyond what we call an asshole. Above and beyond the call of duty means a lot more than enemy body counts.

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:16:50pm

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer Laments that ‘We Have Feminized Public Policy’

as jesus said, the first shall be first and the strong shall inherit the earth

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Jerk Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:18:09pm

Amazon should put "This item is not featured in [User]'s store" at the very least on these pages.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:18:39pm

Wow, Evangelicals seem to have real issues with Romney

"People are free to believe whatever they want. I have no problem with a person of any faith running for office. The only thing I have ever asked Romney or any member of his cult like Glenn Beck to do is to tell the truth. Romney LIES when he calls himself a Christian, since he and members of his cult believe their 'jesus' was created through the sexual union of their 'god' who was once a man, and Mary, meaning their 'jesus' is NOT a deity, is the brother of Lucifer, and once visited the United States. The 'god' and 'jesus of the Mormon cult is NOT the God and Jesus of the Bible, and the final authority for Mormons is NOT the Bible, but the writings of their cult's founder Joseph Smith who was a documented con man, pedophile, polygamist, racist, and murderer."

Keller concluded, "Listen, if Mitt Romney wants to wear magical underwear with Satanic markings that he believes protects him and thinks he will die and become the god of his own planet with an endless supply of women to create spirit babies with, that is up to him. I think it is journalistic malpractice for the media not to at least tell the truth about what Romney and those in his cult believe, while calling anyone with the guts to tell the truth about his cult a bigot. It is inexcusable for Christian leaders like Graham, Osteen, a respected Christian like Starr, and any other true Christian to help perpetuate the lie Mormons are Christians without any concern for the fact the Bible states those who believe a false gospel will die and their souls lost for eternity in hell!"

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:18:45pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Because some folks are always saying that auto industry is dead. WRT to the GM bailout and as usual it's the typical ODS. Or in a nutshell, it ruins the plans for those, as Rush Limbaugh said in 2009, "I want Obama to fail."

sure...universal butthurt...
everybody is butthurt about something...
I'm considering a long term stay in the Caribbean, get away from all this petty shit for a while

145

Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:20:05pm

re: #144 albusteve

sure...universal butthurt...
everybody is butthurt about something...
I'm considering a long term stay in the Caribbean, get away from all this petty shit for a while

YOU KIDS GET OFF MY BEACH!!!

146

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:20:31pm

hi, I need a single room on the ground floor for a year...and I need my own personal maid, thanks

147

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:21:08pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

YOU KIDS GET OFF MY BEACH!!!

my land is 900ft above the beach

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:21:47pm

re: #147 albusteve

my land is 900ft above the beach

You have land in the Caribbean?
Sweet.

149

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:22:12pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

You have land in the Caribbean?
Sweet.

Jamaica, south coast

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:23:08pm

re: #149 albusteve

Jamaica, south coast

Nice.
You get there often?

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:23:57pm

re: #149 albusteve

Jamaica, south coast

Yeah, but what about hurricanes? You know those can kill you.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:24:11pm

re: #140 Idle Drifter

FUCK THE WHAT! Fischer is beyond what we call an asshole. Above and beyond the call of duty means a lot more than enemy body counts.

You don't remember that story?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:24:31pm

re: #150 Varek Raith

Nice.
You get there often?

have not been down since before my cool disease...been almost 5 years now

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:25:13pm

re: #153 albusteve

have not been down since before my cool disease...been almost 5 years now

You'll be back there soon enough, I'd wager.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:26:17pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wow, Evangelicals seem to have real issues with Romney

Some of us have been pointing this out for a while now. Evangelicals and fundamentalists think Mormons are barely a half-step above Satanists. They will NEVER vote for a Mormon, because that would mean giving tacit approval to a religious denomination they consider a heretical cult.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:26:26pm

re: #151 Gus 802

Yeah, but what about hurricanes? You know those can kill you.

so can the locals...Jamaica has become even more violent over the last few years...I'm pretty handy down there but you never know...if I do go back, first order of business is to arm myself...but I have a passion for that place

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:29:12pm

re: #142 Jerk

Amazon should put "This item is not featured in [User]'s store" at the very least on these pages.

Oddly enough, I get this message for each item listed when I click on "Kindle",

This item is not available for purchase from this store.

but not for items from random searches, including the book in question. You're right, they should fix that.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:29:23pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

You'll be back there soon enough, I'd wager.

yes...when I can finally walk again...I want to build a few cabins up there and go into the tourist business...I'm still pretty well connected down there but it's a destination, not an end...place will drive you insane after a few months

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Idle Drifter Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:31:17pm

re: #152 Lidane

You don't remember that story?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

No I missed it. From the date I know I was up north hunting at the time.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:32:17pm

re: #159 Idle Drifter

No I missed it. From the date I know I was up north hunting at the time.

get one?

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Idle Drifter Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:33:24pm

re: #160 albusteve

get one?

Got two bucks that year.

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:34:02pm

re: #161 Idle Drifter

Got two bucks that year.

That's not much dough.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:34:53pm

re: #161 Idle Drifter

Got two bucks that year.

nice...the last deer I killed was the last time I hunted them...it was a mess and bummed me out so much I gave it up

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:35:04pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

That's not much dough.

*Shakes head*

165

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:35:21pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

That's not much dough.

heh...
2 pts

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:35:23pm

Wingnut is wingnutty.

Allen West Calls Upon Generals To Resign, Protest Obama Administration

After all the crap we put with during the Bush years? These Republicans have the nerve to make statements like this now? After the Iraq War? Seriously? Too much.

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:36:23pm

I'm great at hunting clay and cardboard.
Take that flying disk!

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Mocking Jay Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:36:38pm

Allen West Calls Upon Generals To Resign, Protest Obama Administration

In an interview last week with right-wing radio host Mark Levin, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) called for high-ranking military leaders to resign their posts, rather than follow the orders of the Obama administration’s recently announced reorganization of the Armed Forces:

First I'm hearing of this story. A member of the House asking for military officials to quit their post? Really Allen?

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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:37:52pm

re: #140 Idle Drifter

FUCK THE WHAT! Fischer is beyond what we call an asshole. Above and beyond the call of duty means a lot more than enemy body counts.

It was never about killing. I've had lunch with this guy, who went kinda wild one day in 1969, without pulling a trigger. In all, his medvac missions saved more than 5,500 guys.

Rank and organization: Chief Warrant Officer, U.S. Army, 82d Medical Detachment, 45th Medical Company, 68th Medical Group. Place and date: Kien Tuong Province, Republic of Vietnam, October 2, 1969. Entered service at: Kenner, La. Born: September 3, 1922, Etna, Pa.
Citation:

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. CWO Novosel, 82d Medical Detachment, distinguished himself while serving as commander of a medical evacuation helicopter. He unhesitatingly maneuvered his helicopter into a heavily fortified and defended enemy training area where a group of wounded Vietnamese soldiers were pinned down by a large enemy force. Flying without gunship or other cover and exposed to intense machinegun fire, CWO Novosel was able to locate and rescue a wounded soldier. Since all communications with the beleaguered troops had been lost, he repeatedly circled the battle area, flying at low level under continuous heavy fire, to attract the attention of the scattered friendly troops. This display of courage visibly raised their morale, as they recognized this as a signal to assemble for evacuation. On 6 occasions he and his crew were forced out of the battle area by the intense enemy fire, only to circle and return from another direction to land and extract additional troops. Near the end of the mission, a wounded soldier was spotted close to an enemy bunker. Fully realizing that he would attract a hail of enemy fire, CWO Novosel nevertheless attempted the extraction by hovering the helicopter backward. As the man was pulled on aboard, enemy automatic weapons opened fire at close range, damaged the aircraft and wounded CWO Novosel. He momentarily lost control of the aircraft, but quickly recovered and departed under the withering enemy fire. In all, 15 extremely hazardous extractions were performed in order to remove wounded personnel. As a direct result of his selfless conduct, the lives of 29 soldiers were saved. The extraordinary heroism displayed by CWO Novosel was an inspiration to his comrades in arms and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the U.S. Army.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:38:07pm

re: #168 JasonA

A member of the House asking for military officials to quit their post? Really Allen?

Why not? It's not like Obama's a citizen or legitimate president anyway.

///

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erik_t Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:38:08pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Wingnut is wingnutty.

Allen West Calls Upon Generals To Resign, Protest Obama Administration

After all the crap we put with during the Bush years? These Republicans have the nerve to make statements like this now? After the Iraq War? Seriously? Too much.

I believe one of the people in this article should, indeed, have left the military amidst a cloud of disgrace.

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Idle Drifter Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:38:27pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Wingnut is wingnutty.

Allen West Calls Upon Generals To Resign, Protest Obama Administration

After all the crap we put with during the Bush years? These Republicans have the nerve to make statements like this now? After the Iraq War? Seriously? Too much.

They really do go for broke on stupid.

173

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:38:43pm

re: #165 albusteve

heh...
2 pts

I'm not really trying to start something, so don't fawn over my puns.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:39:26pm

re: #172 Idle Drifter

They really do go for broke on stupid.

The GOP went full retard in 2008 and shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon.

Just wait. If Obama wins a second term, heads will go 'splodey all over the right wing blogosphere.

175

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:39:43pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

I'm not really trying to start something, so don't fawn over my puns.

heh...
2 more pts
you're obviously gifted

176

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:40:43pm

I'd love to be in the Quarter right now...egads

177

William of Orange Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:40:48pm

Haley Barbour's farewell "fuck you" to victim's next of kin.

How the hell do you pardon convicted murderers?? Oh, did I forgot to mention both convicts were white? And Both men were working as trusties at the governor's mansion??

In the wise words of the Beatles:
#"I get by with a little help from my friends!"

Victim's families are outraged, and I don't blame them!!

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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:40:52pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

Oddly enough, I get this message for each item listed when I click on "Kindle",

but not for items from random searches, including the book in question. You're right, they should fix that.

Yeah - that's one reason I haven't restored the link to the store on our front page. It's out of date and needs work, and I haven't gotten around to it.

179

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:41:01pm

re: #175 albusteve

heh...
2 more pts
you're obviously ~~gifted~~ cursed

180

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:41:27pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Wingnut is wingnutty.

Allen West Calls Upon Generals To Resign, Protest Obama Administration

After all the crap we put with during the Bush years? These Republicans have the nerve to make statements like this now? After the Iraq War? Seriously? Too much.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll all resign after working with Obama in the first place to set up the new policies.

Dumbasses.

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BongCrodny Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:41:55pm

re: #67 Jamie

So does this mean that Breitbart should be attacked for selling his book at the "racist" LGF store?

How dare you make fun of the 97,352th best-selling book at Amazon!

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:42:11pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

It was never about killing. I've had lunch with this guy, who went kinda wild one day in 1969, without pulling a trigger. In all, his medvac missions saved more than 5,500 guys.

Rank and organization: Chief Warrant Officer, U.S. Army, 82d Medical Detachment, 45th Medical Company, 68th Medical Group. Place and date: Kien Tuong Province, Republic of Vietnam, October 2, 1969. Entered service at: Kenner, La. Born: September 3, 1922, Etna, Pa.
Citation:

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. CWO Novosel, 82d Medical Detachment, distinguished himself while serving as commander of a medical evacuation helicopter. He unhesitatingly maneuvered his helicopter into a heavily fortified and defended enemy training area where a group of wounded Vietnamese soldiers were pinned down by a large enemy force. Flying without gunship or other cover and exposed to intense machinegun fire, CWO Novosel was able to locate and rescue a wounded soldier. Since all communications with the beleaguered troops had been lost, he repeatedly circled the battle area, flying at low level under continuous heavy fire, to attract the attention of the scattered friendly troops. This display of courage visibly raised their morale, as they recognized this as a signal to assemble for evacuation. On 6 occasions he and his crew were forced out of the battle area by the intense enemy fire, only to circle and return from another direction to land and extract additional troops. Near the end of the mission, a wounded soldier was spotted close to an enemy bunker. Fully realizing that he would attract a hail of enemy fire, CWO Novosel nevertheless attempted the extraction by hovering the helicopter backward. As the man was pulled on aboard, enemy automatic weapons opened fire at close range, damaged the aircraft and wounded CWO Novosel. He momentarily lost control of the aircraft, but quickly recovered and departed under the withering enemy fire. In all, 15 extremely hazardous extractions were performed in order to remove wounded personnel. As a direct result of his selfless conduct, the lives of 29 soldiers were saved. The extraordinary heroism displayed by CWO Novosel was an inspiration to his comrades in arms and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the U.S. Army.

Too bad he was so feminized.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:42:42pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I'm sure they'll all resign after working with Obama in the first place to set up the new policies.

Dumbasses.

REAL PATRIOTS DON'T WORK WITH DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTS!

Eleventy!

///

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:44:02pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I'm sure they'll all resign after working with Obama in the first place to set up the new policies.

Dumbasses.

Not only that but this is coming from a former officer. He should be ashamed of himself. He's a gawt damn traitor is what he is. He's right up there with Dan Choi. If anyone said this during the Bush years the right wing media machine would have exploded with rage. FTGs.

185

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:44:10pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I'm sure they'll all resign after working with Obama in the first place to set up the new policies.

Dumbasses.

congress is a total fail...2 years ago, last year...whatever, you can't take these people serious...sorta like the president candidates...it's all breaking down right before your eyes...hysteric dude

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:44:12pm

re: #178 Charles

Yeah - that's one reason I haven't restored the link to the store on our front page. It's out of date and needs work, and I haven't gotten around to it.

If by "needs work" you mean you have to go in and tag all the racist books as "not available from this store", I don't blame you.

187

Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:44:56pm

re: #183 Lidane

///

THE DOD IS FULL OF SOCIALISTS!!!!

DEMPSEY: This strategy also benefited from an exceptional amount of attention by our senior military and civilian leadership. On multiple occasions, we held all-day and multi-day discussions with service chiefs and combatant commanders. The service chiefs, who are charged with developing the force for the strategy, were heard early and often. The combatant commanders, charged with executing the strategy, all weighed in time and time again. And we were all afforded extraordinary access to both the president and the secretary of defense.

188

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:45:25pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Detroit auto show signals a turnaround for the industry

Butthurt to follow.

Why?

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Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:45:49pm

re: #184 Gus 802

He was discharged for being a shitty officer.

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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:45:50pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Too bad he was so feminized.

/

Heh. The street near my office was named for him. He was part of my father's generation, then the Korean war, then Viet Nam. About as bad-assed as it gets.

Bio:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:47:03pm

re: #188 Alouette

Why?

Because the right has been talking non-stop about the auto industry failing. Especially with the GM bailout was a failure meme from the wingnut hot air machine. The don't want success now. They want continued failure.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:48:04pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Too bad he was so feminized.

/

Also a total femme to Bryan Fischer, Desmond Doss.

Conscientious objector, refused to carry a weapon on religious grounds.

He was a company aid man when the 1st Battalion assaulted a jagged escarpment 400 feet (120 m) high. As our troops gained the summit, a heavy concentration of artillery, mortar and machinegun fire crashed into them, inflicting approximately 75 casualties and driving the others back. Pfc. Doss refused to seek cover and remained in the fire-swept area with the many stricken, carrying all 75 casualties one-by-one to the edge of the escarpment and there lowering them on a rope-supported litter down the face of a cliff to friendly hands. On May 2, he exposed himself to heavy rifle and mortar fire in rescuing a wounded man 200 yards (180 m) forward of the lines on the same escarpment; and 2 days later he treated 4 men who had been cut down while assaulting a strongly defended cave, advancing through a shower of grenades to within 8 yards (7.3 m) of enemy forces in a cave's mouth, where he dressed his comrades' wounds before making 4 separate trips under fire to evacuate them to safety. On May 5, he unhesitatingly braved enemy shelling and small arms fire to assist an artillery officer. He applied bandages, moved his patient to a spot that offered protection from small arms fire and, while artillery and mortar shells fell close by, painstakingly administered plasma. Later that day, when an American was severely wounded by fire from a cave, Pfc. Doss crawled to him where he had fallen 25 feet (7.6 m) from the enemy position, rendered aid, and carried him 100 yards (91 m) to safety while continually exposed to enemy fire. On May 21, in a night attack on high ground near Shuri, he remained in exposed territory while the rest of his company took cover, fearlessly risking the chance that he would be mistaken for an infiltrating Japanese and giving aid to the injured until he was himself seriously wounded in the legs by the explosion of a grenade. Rather than call another aid man from cover, he cared for his own injuries and waited 5 hours before litter bearers reached him and started carrying him to cover. The trio was caught in an enemy tank attack and Pfc. Doss, seeing a more critically wounded man nearby, crawled off the litter; and directed the bearers to give their first attention to the other man. Awaiting the litter bearers' return, he was again struck, by a sniper bullet while being carried off the field by a comrade, this time suffering a compound fracture of 1 arm. With magnificent fortitude he bound a rifle stock to his shattered arm as a splint and then crawled 300 yards (270 m) over rough terrain to the aid station. Through his outstanding bravery and unflinching determination in the face of desperately dangerous conditions Pfc. Doss saved the lives of many soldiers. His name became a symbol throughout the 77th Infantry Division for outstanding gallantry far above and beyond the call of duty.[2]

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BongCrodny Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:48:14pm

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Do you know this man?

Police arrest man named Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop

I wonder if he knows Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel?

194

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:48:24pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Because the right has been talking non-stop about the auto industry failing. Especially with the GM bailout was a failure meme from the wingnut hot air machine. The don't want success now. They want continued failure.

Nobody in the auto industry has been talking that way.

195

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:49:14pm

re: #194 Alouette

Nobody in the auto industry has been talking that way.

Not the auto industry. The wingnuts.

196

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:49:27pm

re: #194 Alouette

Nobody in the auto industry has been talking that way.

follow the meme...forget the truth, follow the meme

197

Mocking Jay Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:50:27pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also a total femme to Bryan Fischer, Desmond Doss.

Conscientious objector, refused to carry a weapon on religious grounds.

Fag.

198

Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:50:56pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you read letters from and listen to interviews with WWII servicemen, they invariably talk about the bravery of the medics.

I can't imagine what veterans who owe their lives to a medic braving gunfire must think of a shithead criticizing them.

199

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:51:12pm

re: #196 albusteve

follow the meme...forget the truth, follow the meme

Which meme?

200

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:51:33pm

re: #195 Gus 802

No the auto industry. The wingnuts.

that tweeter from Shady Grove USA?

201

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:52:35pm

re: #200 albusteve

that tweeter from Shady Grove USA?

Right, right. I get it. The right wingnuts never bitched and moaned about the GM bailout and the cash for clunkers, and the direction that the auto industry is headed under "Obama the socialist". I must have been imagining things.

202

Only The Lurker Knows Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:54:12pm

First off, Evening Lizards.

Charles, Haters, hate. That is what they do. I was torn between the two factions/camps, but I actually looked (back) at the facts you presented and made my decision based upon those facts. Probably why I am still here.

This message has been edited for clarity

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:54:32pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Right, right. I get it. The right wingnuts never bitched and moaned about the GM bailout and the cash for clunkers, and the direction that the auto industry is headed under "Obama the socialist". I must have been imagining things.

you brought up 'continued failure'...who are they?

204

Mocking Jay Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:54:34pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Right, right. I get it. The right wingnuts never bitched and moaned about the GM bailout and the cash for clunkers, and the direction that the auto industry is headed under "Obama the socialist". I must have been imagining things.

Yes, and GM's recent successes are all thanks to Mitt Romney's ideas. Get with the program.

205

Mocking Jay Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:55:52pm

re: #203 albusteve

you brought up 'continued failure'...who are they?

Umm how about Presidential candidate Willard "Mitt" Romney who wrote an op-ed calling for allowing GM to sink into bankruptcy?

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:56:45pm

re: #203 albusteve

you brought up 'continued failure'...who are they?

Uh. Oh yeah. I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get something to eat.

O_o

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:57:00pm

[Woosh]

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Obdicut Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:57:23pm

re: #206 Gus 802

I'm having pork chops in mustard-cream sauce and holy shit it's good.

209

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:58:10pm

re: #208 Obdicut

I'm having pork chops in mustard-cream sauce and holy shit it's good.

Who said it was good? I didn't see anyone say it was good.

210

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:58:13pm

re: #195 Gus 802

Not the auto industry. The wingnuts.

[deleted] the wingnuts. People are being hired where I work, not laid off.

211

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:00:29pm

re: #210 Alouette

[deleted] the wingnuts. People are being hired where I work, not laid off.

it's of primary importance to separate and stereotype by political affiliation...so get back with us and make sure you get your wingnut/moonbat shit right

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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:01:01pm

Dear Co-Workers
When someone puts something on the kitchen table clearly meant to be shared (a coffee cake ,, a bag of cookies ,,, etc) don't bitch to me when I eat the last piece .. ESPECIALLY if you're not the one that provided it

If you wanted the last piece, you had ample opportunity to put it in a tupperware container and take it with you

BTW ,,, it was DE-LISH !!

213

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:01:24pm

Oh brother. Here we go again. Boring.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:02:07pm

re: #211 albusteve

it's of primary importance to separate and stereotype by political affiliation...so get back with us and make sure you get your wingnut/moonbat shit right

Derp.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:04:41pm

re: #214 Gus 802

Derp.

{burp}

I told you it was de-lish!

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Only The Lurker Knows Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:04:48pm

re: #210 Alouette

[deleted] the wingnuts. People are being hired where I work, not laid off.

At min wages/part time and no benies. (like heath insurance). You are surprised?

217

albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:05:36pm

did you know that there are no republicans that work in the auto industry?...scientific fact
derp indeed

218

Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:06:28pm

Newt Goes Ballistic On Pretty Much Everyone

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Kragar Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:09:49pm

re: #217 albusteve

did you know that there are no republicans that work in the auto industry?...scientific fact
derp indeed

No true Republican...
/

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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:13:08pm

re: #216 Bubblehead II

At min wages/part time and no benies. (like heath insurance). You are surprised?

Walmart is not the auto industry.

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:14:10pm

romney spokesmoron lying when explaining the "i like to fire people" quote by saying "under obamacare the insurance company will be the government"

said it twice and the cnn talking head moron didn't call him on it

222

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:14:18pm

Obama’s Car Trouble

The GM Bailout: Smoke, Mirrors, and Government Run Wild

The plan to spin the car bailout as a positive for Obama

The Bailouts Were a Bunch of BS

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:14:51pm

Hard to believe that some people didn't understand my point. Then again.

224

Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:15:48pm

Oh yeah. Full moon tonight.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:17:09pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Oh yeah. Full moon tonight.

Pull up your pants and nobody will know!!

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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:18:26pm

re: #222 Gus 802

Obama’s Car Trouble

The GM Bailout: Smoke, Mirrors, and Government Run Wild

The plan to spin the car bailout as a positive for Obama

The Bailouts Were a Bunch of BS

I am missing the part where GM paid back its loan in full, and Ford never required any government assistance.

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Gus Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:18:51pm

And from the douche bags at the GOP.

Then there was this infamous screed from Rush Limbaugh:

Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails

Yeah. I was imagining things.

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God of Binders with Women Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:19:50pm

Did our Charles Johnson write this for RCP?

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:21:43pm

re: #228 Kid A

Nope, that's the libertarian wingnut Charles C. Johnson. He also writes for Big Government:

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

I'll bet Andrew Breitbart gets a little hate twinge every time he sees the name, until he remembers it isn't me.

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God of Binders with Women Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:24:41pm

re: #229 Charles

Nope, that's the libertarian wingnut Charles C. Johnson. He also writes for Big Government:

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

I'll bet Andrew Breitbart gets a little hate twinge every time he sees the name, until he remembers it isn't me.

Just checking, thanks. Is there any possible legal action you could take against Breitbart for this malicious b.s. he pulled on you today?

Keep up the good work, CJ. You keep exposing their juvenile behavior every chance you get, and I thank you for it.

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:26:28pm

re: #229 Charles

I'll bet Andrew Breitbart gets a little hate twinge every time he sees the name, until he remembers it isn't me.

"Oh, yeah, the one without the pony tail..."

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:27:14pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

"Oh, yeah, the one without the pony tail..."

Or the jazzy hat. Heh.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:29:16pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Hard to believe that some people didn't understand my point. Then again.

LOL!

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:29:23pm

re: #232 Lidane

Or the jazzy hat. Heh.

Jazzy hat?
Lol.

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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:29:54pm

re: #203 albusteve

you brought up 'continued failure'...who are they?

Weren't you against the bailouts and in favor of bankruptcy?

GM should have declared bankrupcy...too bad, but that's the way it worked and then they may have been able to break the death grip of the UAW, the very people that helped drive them out of business...instead BO awarded a huge share of the business to his traditional voting bloc...

'Cuz it sure seems like you were.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:32:30pm

re: #230 Kid A

Eh. I think Charles is better off just exposing these pathetic nutjobs as the failures they are. Suing them just makes these morans into martyrs for the cause.

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:32:56pm

Incoming.

New Registration: Bozo the Clown

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:33:28pm

re: #235 goddamnedfrank

Weren't you against the bailouts and in favor of bankruptcy?

'Cuz it sure seems like you were.

yes...I didn't want GM to go away, I wanted them to deal with the UAW after bankruptcy

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:35:55pm

Spam fail:

Subject: Effrective Online Reputation Management

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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:36:30pm

re: #238 albusteve

yes...I didn't want GM to go away, I wanted them to deal with the UAW after bankruptcy

GM overpaid executives get the golden parachutes before the UAW workers.

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:37:46pm

are there any republican presidential candidates who don't have blonde wives? even marcus is a blond...

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engineer cat Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:38:40pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Spam fail:
Subject: Effrective Online Reputation Management

refractive online repudiation managment?

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:39:13pm

re: #240 Alouette

GM overpaid executives get the golden parachutes before the UAW workers.

those are the guys that donate...no surprise...in the end BO got his donations and the union vote...slick

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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:39:24pm

re: #238 albusteve

yes...I didn't want GM to go away, I wanted them to deal with the UAW after bankruptcy

All this demonstrates is that you remain fundamentally mistaken as to the options that were available to GM at the time. Nobody else was going to help them, there were no angel investors, no banks, nothing. Therefor there was no path to Chapter 11. If the government hadn't bailed GM out they were facing Chapter 7, total liquidation of the company, which means all assets sold at auction.

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Lidane Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:39:43pm

re: #240 Alouette

Speaking of overpaid executives and golden parachutes, I just rented the film Margin Call from Redbox. I'm looking forward to watching it tonight.

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:40:01pm

60min to game time

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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:40:49pm

re: #242 engineer dog

refractive online repudiation managment?

REVERSE THE POLARITY OF THE MAIN DEFLECTOR ARRAY!

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albusteve Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:41:34pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

All this just demonstrates is that you remain fundamentally mistaken as to the options that were available to GM at the time. Nobody else was going to help them, there were no angel investors, no banks, nothing. Therefor there was no path to Chapter 11. If the government hadn't bailed GM out they were facing Chapter 7, total liquidation of the company, which means all assets sold at auction.

oh my, what a drag...thank god for the feds

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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jan 9, 2012 4:47:04pm

re: #248 albusteve

oh my, what a drag...thank god for the feds

Pretty much. Your blithe attitude ignores the entire supply chain of companies dependent on GM, the parts manufacturers, the dealerships, etc. The domino effect of allowing them to go into Chapter 7 would have destroyed untold numbers of jobs and businesses.

Now they're not only doing well but thriving, whereas you would have let the free market just crap all over everyone out of some bizarre, sociopathic principle.

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Tsuga Mon, Jan 9, 2012 5:00:47pm

re: #248 albusteve

oh my, what a drag...thank god for the feds

The point is that under normal circumstances the private sector could have handled this matter just fine, via bridge financing allowing a Chapter 11 route. However, during a severe financial crisis this option was foreclosed leaving the only choices as Chapter 7 or temporary government financing.

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EdDantes Mon, Jan 9, 2012 5:05:39pm

re: #245 Lidane

Excellent choice. Spacey and Irons (especially Irons) are great in it.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 9, 2012 5:53:14pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

I'm just going to apologize again for giving them reason to make this bullshit attack. I thought the clear incitement to and justification of mass murder in that video was worth breaking my policy of never talking about what goes on over there. When D-bag posted a video containing the Turner Diaries over the OK City bombing as a warning of what might be necessary to remove Obama if America didn't find it's "Pinochet," I thought that was a noteworthy level of implied violence for someone to address in a message to Charles and Gus.

Some of the posters over there are Jewish, Breitbart was raised Jewish, I thought they and others should take a second look at the kind of person they were supporting. I can see that some of them actually now have begun to question their association, and that's good. However I didn't count on this kind of desperate attempt at tu quoque using LGF's amazon store just to avoid actual thought. How many millions of books and products does Amazon sell? Even if it were possible to block people from searching for individual and specific items, and it's not possible to do that, it's ridiculous to expect an associate to go through the site and remove every bit of questionable kit.

Anyway I'm sorry I made it possible, that wasn't my intention. Charles has worked hared to craft a uniquely inclusive community here and doesn't deserve this shit. Like I said in the last thread I didn't agree with what I saw here for many years, but finally joined up when I saw that he was starting to turn the corner on rejecting the kinds of people who now populate the stalker sites. I've come to greatly respect the self awareness he's cultivated throughout that long process and believe this place wouldn't have become what it is without it.

Frank, you and I don't always agree and sometimes we go after each other fiercely, but in this case I do know how you feel and I can tell you you've got nothing to be sorry for. That sort of potential death threat Rodan posted required exposing and you stepped up and exposed it. That was a righteous act and one for which no apology need be made.

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sagehen Mon, Jan 9, 2012 6:01:24pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Detroit auto show signals a turnaround for the industry

Butthurt to follow.

That Lexus LF-LC is a sweet-looking ride; I bet it's a dream on curves; too bad it's not a production model. (and, uh... too bad it'll only be sweet on well-maintained roads)

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samuraishake Mon, Jan 9, 2012 6:23:32pm

Why haven't we turned this into a hilarious game to mock Breitbart? The game: Ridiculous things Charles sells on Amazon. Here's my contribution:
Image: peecup.jpg

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Etaoin Shrdlu Mon, Jan 9, 2012 8:20:07pm

Oh God, say it isn't so.

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Fenris Mon, Jan 9, 2012 10:01:00pm

I did a quick search in Charles' store for books about basket weaving, a DVD of Ralph Bakshi's animated Lord of the Rings, and MP3s of badminton-related sound effects. By pure coincidence, his store has all of those! Simply amazin'!

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Copernic Tue, Jan 10, 2012 5:54:19am

I'll also note that Charles is apparently way into teen romance novels and the care and feeding of toy poodles. Shame!

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mikec6666 Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33:58am

Charles, what can we do to help?

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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:51:53am

re: #258 mikec6666