Here’s an open thread for wrap-up comments about tonight’s GOP debate, possibly the most race-baiting debate so far, on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. I could hardly believe the audience reactions tonight.
For example:
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 7:58:35pm |
Again, the pundits: three grumpy old white dudes and one very lovely lady.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 7:59:45pm |
This has gotta be the most lively kabuki theater I’ve ever witnessed.
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Charleston Chew Mon, Jan 16, 2012 7:59:49pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
Again, the pundits: three grumpy old white dudes and one very lovely lady.
Or more simply - 4 people with bills > scruples.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:00:38pm |
re: #2 Stanley Sea
It sucked. It was so blatant. And it was Fox.
“a question from the audience: do you think liberals are a threat or a menace?”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:00:51pm |
re: #4 Charleston Chew
Or more simply - 4 people with bills > scruples.
They look like they actually can’t smile.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:00:58pm |
I will not be able to stay on Hannity.
First up Frank Luntz.
ASSHOLES
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:01:08pm |
I didn’t watch the debate until the end. Did Frothy talk about blah people again?
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jaunte Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:01:45pm |
The candidates gave their base permission to let their inner bigot come out hooting and swinging from the rafters.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:01:51pm |
I’m feeling better and better about Obama’s chances against Romney. I keep expecting him to get a personality and emote but he can’t. It’s worse then Kerry was.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:02:00pm |
Let’s fix the economy by replacing well-paid janitors with child labor, but without those silly age, wage and work hours laws.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:02:08pm |
re: #5 engineer dog
“a question from the audience: do you think liberals are a threat or a menace?”
Based on that crowd, I’d say people who need to be killed.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:02:19pm |
aarg, Perry is never going away if this is halfway true:
[Link: twitter.com…]
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freetoken Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:02:27pm |
re: #11 abolitionist
Let’s fix the economy by replacing well-paid janitors with child labor, but without those silly age, wage and work hours laws.
That pretty much sums it up.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:02:40pm |
re: #9 jaunte
The candidates gave their base permission to let their inner bigot come out hooting and swinging from the rafters.
Giving standing ovations even.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:02:42pm |
The audience boos Romney’s Mexican heritage:
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:03:00pm |
Paul really stuttered though the whole Bin Laden question. Was this his worse performance?
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Jimmi the Grey Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:03:46pm |
What was the reference to Galveston about? Missed the context.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:04:09pm |
re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
This has gotta be the most lively kabuki theater I’ve ever witnessed.
It would hurt Fox advertising revenues if they simply admitted Mitt was going to be the candidate and the positions espoused by the wingnuts won’t fly in the general election.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:04:17pm |
re: #16 Charles
The audience boos Romney’s Mexican heritage:
[Video]
Pathetic but if I told you and everyone else I was surprised, I’d be lying.
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jaunte Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:04:22pm |
re: #18 Jimmi the Grey
It was about privatized retirement accounts vs. social security.
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Charleston Chew Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:05:31pm |
I would have said Newt is so scattered he comes off as cerebral.
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Jimmi the Grey Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:06:14pm |
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Petero1818 Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:06:25pm |
On that stage, Wyle E Coyote would come off as cerebral.
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jaunte Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:08:23pm |
re: #16 Charles
The audience boos Romney’s Mexican heritage:
[Video]
Waiting for someone at BigEtc to blame a ‘liberal plant.’
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:09:45pm |
re: #25 jaunte
Waiting for someone at BigEtc to blame a ‘liberal plant.’
Of course they will. Silly, right wingers never never do anything wrong. Liberals are out to get them. It’s an as real threat as ACORN is in rural districts.
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Jerk Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:10:19pm |
Can someone make a boo/cheer list? There’s been a lot.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:11:08pm |
re: #16 Charles
The audience boos Romney’s Mexican heritage:
[Video]
Liberals trying to make conservatives look bad.
//
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freetoken Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:11:11pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:11:35pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:12:55pm |
Newt Gingrich blows racial dog whistles and gets a standing ovation. That’s my take on the GOP.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:13:32pm |
thank you, romneytronic, just go ahead and make up shit about “what obama wants” out of wholecloth
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:14:55pm |
re: #32 engineer dog
thank you, romneytronic, just go ahead and make up shit about “what obama wants” out of wholecloth
I was a little worried about Democrats not despising Romney and buying into him being less of a disaster if President. I’m not so worried about that any more. He becomes more and more despicable with time.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:15:17pm |
I like how McCain is supporting Mitt and he returns the favor by trashing McCain/Feingold
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freetoken Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:15:19pm |
re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal
There is little else that will get the “base” full of emotion. Romney just bores them, so any enterprising wanna-be (in this case Gingrich) just has to push the right button and voila… heat.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:16:51pm |
Stewart is taking on Foxconn. Excellent.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:16:57pm |
Poor Eugene Robinson had to be in that audience. He said the “New South” looks a lot like the Old South based on that audience.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:18:53pm |
One thing that struck me was the purist DERPage from both of the Texas candidates. Both Romney and Santorum caught FLaK as being accused of betraying conservative values. In both cases, what that really meant was that Santorum and Romney had simply had to compromise and accept a somewhat-bad (from their standpoint) bill on which they had major input in order to avoid a really bad bill in which they’d have had no input at all.
It’s nice for Paul and Perry that the GOP controls the state government as absolutely as it does in Texas, but in other parts of the country compromise is needed. It may not draw a rousing cheer from the crowd, but a good compromise is one of the marks of an effective political leader.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:19:46pm |
re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal
Poor Eugene Robinson had to be in that audience. He said the “New South” looks a lot like the Old South based on that audience.
It’s not. Our black and white Habitat crew raised a house today. Didn’t know or care that the owner family is black until I got on site.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:21:25pm |
re: #34 ElCapitanAmerica
I like how McCain is supporting Mitt and he returns the favor by trashing McCain/Feingold
That’s Romney for you. You scratch his back and he’ll trash yours.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:21:56pm |
re: #40 Decatur Deb
It’s not. Our black and white Habitat crew raised a house today. Didn’t know or care that the owner family is black until I got on site.
Good. I guess the audience was just full of Lost Cause types.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:22:25pm |
re: #42 moderatelyradicalliberal
Good. I guess the audience was just full of Lost Cause types.
Hand picked.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:24:25pm |
Romney’s never really impressed me as a candidate. Just runs his campaign like he’s entitled to win because he’s Mitt F’ing Romney. I do wonder who he will choose as his running mate though. I think he’ll go South or if not south at least socially conservative in the Santorum or Perry sense.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:24:46pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
One thing that struck me was the purist DERPage from both of the Texas candidates. Both Romney and Santorum caught FLaK as being accused of betraying conservative values. In both cases, what that really meant was that Santorum and Romney had simply had to compromise and accept a somewhat-bad (from their standpoint) bill on which they had major input in order to avoid a really bad bill in which they’d have had no input at all.
It’s nice for Paul and Perry that the GOP controls the state government as absolutely as it does in Texas, but in other parts of the country compromise is needed. It may not draw a rousing cheer from the crowd, but a good compromise is one of the marks of an effective political leader.
You forgot that, to the Tea Party base, “compromise” is a four-letter word. In their minds, compromising with Democrats is tantamount to giving them everything that they want.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:25:47pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You forgot that, to the Tea Party base, “compromise” is a four-letter word. In their minds, compromising with Democrats is tantamount to giving them everything that they want.
Compromise is Russian for socialism. Just like czar is Russian for communism :).
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Four More Tears Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:26:05pm |
re: #44 HappyWarrior
Romney’s never really impressed me as a candidate. Just runs his campaign like he’s entitled to win because he’s Mitt F’ing Romney. I do wonder who he will choose as his running mate though. I think he’ll go South or if not south at least socially conservative in the Santorum or Perry sense.
I was thinking Huckabee earlier today.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:26:22pm |
oh, obama “doesn’t believe in work”
i didn’t know that
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:27:04pm |
re: #47 JasonA
I was thining Huckabee earlier today.
He really fits the bill. Romney needs someone he can connect to blue collar workers like Obama did and more so honestly.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:27:44pm |
re: #48 engineer dog
oh, obama “doesn’t believe in work”
i didn’t know that
That’s why he went to Columbia and Harvard Law. Seriously what are these clowns on? Criticize Obama’s ideas but to claim he doesn’t believe in work is fucking absurd.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:28:24pm |
re: #44 HappyWarrior
Romney’s never really impressed me as a candidate. Just runs his campaign like he’s entitled to win because he’s Mitt F’ing Romney. I do wonder who he will choose as his running mate though. I think he’ll go South or if not south at least socially conservative in the Santorum or Perry sense.
i’m beginning to think romney/santorum
on the other hand i’ve had terrible luck guessing running mates
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:28:30pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You forgot that, to the Tea Party base, “compromise” is a four-letter word. In their minds, compromising with Democrats is tantamount to giving them everything that they want.
Lots of party base is like that. Don’t make ‘em right, tho…
(And yes, I would say that with a southern accent, if only just to practice the pitch of the accent.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:29:03pm |
re: #40 Decatur Deb
It’s not. Our black and white Habitat crew raised a house today. Didn’t know or care that the owner family is black until I got on site.
Did any of you then proceed to the GOP debate?
(It would have improved it, if so.)
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:29:19pm |
re: #50 HappyWarrior
That’s why he went to Columbia and Harvard Law. Seriously what are these clowns on? Criticize Obama’s ideas but to claim he doesn’t believe in work is fucking absurd.
Not if the president is a blah person. Everyone knows that blah people are lazy.
Dog whistle politics at it’s “finest”.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:29:53pm |
re: #51 engineer dog
i’m beginning to think romney/santorum
on the other hand i’ve had terrible luck guessing running mates
I am too. Thought Tim Kaine for Obama, thought a known commodity for McCain. Only time I’ve come real close was Edwards for Kerry though I thought it would be Gephardt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:30:04pm |
re: #51 engineer dog
i’m beginning to think romney/santorum
on the other hand i’ve had terrible luck guessing running mates
I think they need at least one Protestant, although Santorum seems to be doing a great job making folks forget he’s a Papist.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:30:12pm |
re: #54 moderatelyradicalliberal
Not if the president is a blah person. Everyone knows that blah people are lazy.
Dog whistle politics at it’s “finest”.
Goddamn blah people don’t know nothin’ about hard work. //
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:31:20pm |
re: #57 HappyWarrior
Goddamn blah people don’t know nothin’ about hard work. //
Never had to show up on Monday morning in their plives.
(“Plives” is apparently the word Santorum claimed to be trying to say, after someone pointed out to him that ‘blah’ doesn’t mean anything.)
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:31:22pm |
re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist
I think they need at least one Protestant, although Santorum seems to be doing a great job making folks forget he’s a Papist.
Ah that’s right. I hadn’t thought about that but that disqualifies Bob McDonnell, Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio too. I think if he won, he’d make Christie AG honestly. Can’t see Christie as a running mate.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:31:36pm |
re: #50 HappyWarrior
That’s why he went to Columbia and Harvard Law. Seriously what are these clowns on? Criticize Obama’s ideas but to claim he doesn’t believe in work is fucking absurd.
makes me crazy
and, i have yet to ascertain whether or not newt has ever experienced any of these blue collar jobs he’s so fond of
i’d have liked to see how he would have made out on that job i had in college with red’s triple AAA wrecking crew
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:31:46pm |
re: #57 HappyWarrior
Goddamn blah people don’t know nothin’ about hard work. //
Yes if you mention work to a blah person, they will just say “blah, blah, blah” and ignore you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:32:30pm |
re: #60 engineer dog
makes me crazy
and, i have yet to ascertain whether or not newt has ever experienced any of these blue collar jobs he’s so fond of
i’d have liked to see how he would have made out on that job i had in college with red’s triple AAA wrecking crew
maybe he had a job as a competitive eater, that’s blue collar
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:33:09pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:33:19pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
Did any of you then proceed to the GOP debate?
(It would have improved it, if so.)
We’re a couple states to the West and a 100 years newer than that crowd. If you had seen about a third of us, though, your first thought would have been “Bubba”. (Most of our volunteers were electrical linemen from the sponsoring company.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:34:10pm |
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:34:54pm |
re: #65 WindUpBird
and then the oompa-loompas come and roll him away
He is Augustus Gloop as an old man. Though truthfully I always thought he looked a little like Slobodan Milosevic when I was a kid.
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Charleston Chew Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:35:08pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:35:45pm |
re: #66 HappyWarrior
He is Augustus Gloop as an old man. Though truthfully I always thought he looked a little like Slobodan Milosevic when I was a kid.
oh god totally
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:36:06pm |
re: #67 Charleston Chew
New Colbert Super PAC ad urges South Carolina voters to vote for Herman Cain.
lol
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:36:42pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:36:59pm |
re: #67 Charleston Chew
New Colbert Super PAC ad urges South Carolina voters to vote for Herman Cain.
He’s evil—I like that.
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jaunte Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:37:26pm |
re: #66 HappyWarrior
He is Augustus Gloop as an old man. Though truthfully I always thought he looked a little like Slobodan Milosevic as a kid.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:38:11pm |
re: #71 Decatur Deb
He’s evil—I like that.
I would love a world where expertly crafted jokey super pac ads drown out the real ones
confused republicans everywhere
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:38:26pm |
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:39:09pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:42:26pm |
re: #67 Charleston Chew
New Colbert Super PAC ad urges South Carolina voters to vote for Herman Cain.
Operation Chaos II: This time, its for the lutz.
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aagcobb Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:45:16pm |
Oh noes! Obama gave missile defense to Islamic terrorists! The traitor!
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:46:14pm |
re: #7 Stanley Sea
I will not be able to stay on Hannity.
First up Frank Luntz.
ASSHOLES
Thanks for doing all my swearing for me Stanley. Cheers!
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:46:23pm |
re: #50 HappyWarrior
That’s why he went to Columbia and Harvard Law. Seriously what are these clowns on? Criticize Obama’s ideas but to claim he doesn’t believe in work is fucking absurd.
Romney lies about how President Obama ‘thinks’ as easily as he wipes his ass. Sorry, but this Obama is ” ” bullshit crap kills me.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:46:31pm |
re: #77 aagcobb
Oh noes! Obama gave missile defense to Islamic terrorists! The traitor!
Yet these guys had no problem with Iran-Contra. Shrugs.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:46:33pm |
re: #77 aagcobb
Oh noes! Obama gave missile defense to Islamic terrorists! The traitor!
You gotta feel bad for the folks at the State Department after every one of these debates, calling up foreign leaders and going “No, those yahoos don’t speak for this administration, their rants mean nothing.”
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:47:35pm |
re: #67 Charleston Chew
New Colbert Super PAC ad urges South Carolina voters to vote for Herman Cain.
Mr. Colbert is doing this country a favor by highlighting the stupid SuperPAcs.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:47:52pm |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
Romney lies about how President Obama ‘thinks’ as easily as he wipes his ass. Sorry, but this Obama is ” ” bullshit crap kills me.
Seems like it was Newt that uttered that particular turd nugget. But yeah it gets old. I mean really. You have presidential candidates suggesting that the president of the United States doesn’t believe in America? Do these idiots even listen to themselves speak?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:49:28pm |
re: #77 aagcobb
Oh noes! Obama gave missile defense to Islamic terrorists! The traitor!
And if he had halted the deployment due to Erdogen’s Islamist shenanigans, Rick Perry would have said:
By halting this deployment, President Obama once again slaps a valued ally across the face while bowing to the demands of the Kremlin. He is refusing to defend us, and in doing so shows himself to be a America-hating weakling!!1
Rick Perry is like Rodan in that way: Whatever the target does is taken as ‘proof’ that the target has ‘failed’.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:50:25pm |
oh, ok, newt delivered papers and washed dishes when he was a teenager. i’ll let him off the hook, then
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blueraven Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:50:31pm |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
Romney lies about how President Obama ‘thinks’ as easily as he wipes his ass. Sorry, but this Obama is ” ” bullshit crap kills me.
He hires people to do that, and if they dont do a good job he likes to fire them. Good asswipes are hard to find ya know/
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:51:58pm |
did obama actually, literally “promise”, in so many words, to keep unemployment under 8%?
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Jimmi the Grey Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:53:16pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
The GOP and their pundit mouthpieces have been doing the ‘damned if he does/doesn’t’ gig this entire admin. I’ve said it before (maybe not here) that if Obama or someone within his staff were to end death they’d gripe he was putting morticians out of business.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:54:07pm |
re: #88 Jimmi the Grey
The GOP and their pundit mouthpieces have been doing the ‘damned if he does/doesn’t’ gig this entire admin. I’ve said it before (maybe not here) that if Obama or someone within his staff were to end death they’d gripe he was putting morticians out of business.
“Obama’s new cancer cure is putting doctors out of work!”
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:54:23pm |
re: #8 moderatelyradicalliberal
I didn’t watch the debate until the end. Did Frothy talk about blah people again?
Blah is the color of my true loves’ hair.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:55:18pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Rick Perry is like Rodan in that way: Whatever the target does is taken as ‘proof’ that the target has ‘failed’.
Please…you were considering voting for him.
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Girth Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:55:19pm |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
Romney lies about how President Obama ‘thinks’ as easily as he wipes his ass. Sorry, but this Obama is ” ” bullshit crap kills me.
I’m not sure Mitt actually defecates. He would need to unclench his asshole first.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:55:48pm |
re: #87 engineer dog
did obama actually, literally “promise”, in so many words, to keep unemployment under 8%?
The “promise” consists entirely on a single graph that was produced early in the debate over the Recovery Act, which was before the true bottom of the recession was hit.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:55:57pm |
Wow. The more comments I read about this debate, the more I’m glad I avoided it like the plague.
And the GOP wonders why they’re shit at minority outreach? This debate is Exhibit A in answering the question.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:56:10pm |
re: #92 Girth
I’m not sure Mitt actually defecates. He would need to unclench his asshole first.
Heh reminds me of the family guy where Brian gets a job at the New Yorker.
“Where are the toilets?”
“Oh, no one at the New Yorker has an anus.”
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:56:29pm |
re: #89 HappyWarrior
“Obama’s new cancer cure is putting doctors out of work!”
“Obama’s legalization of marijuana usage is putting drug taskforces out of work!”
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:57:38pm |
I could hardly believe the audience reactions tonight.
One did not even have to watch it to know what what was said and what the audience reactions would be.
These are people who think Jake Knotts represents them well and who were stupid enough to fall for black-baby crap a decade ago.
Nothing changes with this grade of garbage; hasn’t since some time in the 1850s.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:58:24pm |
re: #94 Lidane
Wow. The more comments I read about this debate, the more I’m glad I avoided it like the plague.
And the GOP wonders why they’re shit at minority outreach? This debate is Exhibit A in answering the question.
But they’re not going for minority outreach. They are looking to solidify their white-bigot outreach, and the outreach to those who admire them.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:59:55pm |
re: #98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
But they’re not going for minority outreach. They are looking to solidify their white-bigot outreach, and the outreach of those who admire them.
Well yeah. But then they complain that minorities don’t vote GOP and wonder why. They should gain some self-awareness and look at these debates to answer why.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:00:58pm |
re: #99 Lidane
Well yeah. But then they complain that minorities don’t vote GOP and wonder why. They should gain some self-awareness and look at these debates to answer why.
Why do that when they can just roll their eyes, mutter that minorities are “brainwashed,” and accuse the Dems of running a “plantation”?
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:02:03pm |
re: #78 prairiefire
Thanks for doing all my swearing for me Stanley. Cheers!
Something about tonight brought out my sailor self.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:02:19pm |
re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Why do that when they can just roll their eyes, mutter that minorities are “brainwashed,” and accuse the Dems of running a “plantation”?
The plantation stuff is so fucking stupid. Yeah voting with a party is exactly the same as being enslaved. Yep, same thing. And yes I get annoyed with minority conservatives who use that analogy even though I am white.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:06:10pm |
re: #102 HappyWarrior
The plantation stuff is so fucking stupid. Yeah voting with a party is exactly the same as being enslaved. Yep, same thing. And yes I get annoyed with minority conservatives who use that analogy even though I am white.
Well, that’s when they’re not accusing minorities of supporting the Dem Party because they want “government goodies,” then throw a fit when you call them on their racism.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:08:25pm |
re: #98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
But they’re not going for minority outreach. They are looking to solidify their white-bigot outreach, and the outreach to those who admire them.
They succeeded, because anyone else is beyond disgust.
Go Fox on MLK day. It was planned, and carried out.
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Altermite Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:09:02pm |
re: #103 SpaceJesus
time for a whiskey. a scottish one.
Alcohol sales spiked in my immediate vicinity as well.
Even drinking a bourbon makes me feel racist right now.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:11:32pm |
re: #88 Jimmi the Grey
The GOP and their pundit mouthpieces have been doing the ‘damned if he does/doesn’t’ gig this entire admin. I’ve said it before (maybe not here) that if Obama or someone within his staff were to end death they’d gripe he was putting morticians out of business.
The difference is that tonight that tactic got turn on Romney and Santorum as well, and descended thence into madness. For if compromise is impossible, then so is effective governance.
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John Q Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:11:57pm |
From Will at the Economist:
“This is Jon Huntsman’s best debate by far. “
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:14:38pm |
I click on a thread after a long day at work for the man, go to the bottom, and I see scotch being discussed. Man I fookin love this place.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:17:27pm |
re: #106 Altermite
bourbon is a fine drink. don’t ever let the godless liberals take its enjoyment away from you
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:22:19pm |
re: #99 Lidane
Well yeah. But then they complain that minorities don’t vote GOP and wonder why. They should gain some self-awareness and look at these debates to answer why.
Won’t happen.
They are sociopaths and psychos. Writeoffs.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:33:29pm |
This is who conservatives will be voting for in November.
Romney stirs immigration debate as he’s endorsed by hard-liner Kobach
Immigration advocates in Florida and nationwide Monday lashed out at Mitt Romney’s embrace of Kris Kobach, the co-author and moving force behind state laws designed to root out illegal immigrants.
…
Some other Republicans oppose Romney’s immigration policy but support him anyway on the belief that he can defeat President Barack Obama and revive the economy.
“On immigration, yeah, we have big-time differences,” said U.S. Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Miami, who hosted a “cafecito” campaign event for Romney at a Doral restaurant. “He is very much a hard-liner, and that’s not going to change. So we will continue to disagree on many aspects of it. But on creating jobs, on national security, on getting the economy going, he’s just the right guy at this moment. That’s the priority.”
More on this dumb, stupid confederate.
Now I’m waiting on Romney (R - The Church of Curse of Cain) to reject an open white nationalist bigot, and distance himself from it.
(Which is about on the level of waiting for Luap Nor to reject Don Black.)
Waiting…waiting… .. ok, well congratulations, GOP. And happy MLK day. /// e_e
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:35:54pm |
re: #110 SpaceJesus
bourbon is a fine drink. don’t ever let the godless liberals take its enjoyment away from you
Hell, I say: “Embrace liberalism by drinking wine! A good Pinot Noir is better than beer!”
For saying that, I’m a “Eurosocialist”.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:37:38pm |
re: #112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
This is who conservatives will be voting for in November.
Romney stirs immigration debate as he’s endorsed by hard-liner Kobach
More on this dumb, stupid confederate.
Now I’m waiting on Romney (R - The Church of Curse of Cain) to reject an open white nationalist bigot, and distance himself from it.
(Which is about on the level of waiting for Luap Nor to reject Don Black.)
Waiting…waiting… .. ok, well congratulations, GOP. And happy MLK day. /// e_e
Bigots are a-okay, provided they support conservative causes/politicians and are predominantly white. But if they’re black, liberal, and support a black presidential candidate, then we need wall-to-wall coverage 24/7. Especially if they say something catchy, like “Goddamn America.”
///
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austin_blue Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:39:03pm |
Again, again, and again, why should anyone be surprised by this? They are playing to the New South, the Republicats, as opposed to the Dixiecrats of 1948.
The more things change…
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:40:29pm |
re: #114 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Bigots are a-okay, provided they support conservative causes/politicians and are predominantly white. But if they’re black, liberal, and support a black presidential candidate, then we need wall-to-wall coverage 24/7. Especially if they say something catchy, like “Goddamn America.”
///
But you just don’t understand how DIFFICULT it is to be a conservative white bigot these days! Our right to rule over our natural dhimmis is being TAKEN FROM US WITH EVERY PASSING DAY!!
Mitt, DO SOMETHING! SAVE US!
Lol stupid fucking idiots.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:42:04pm |
re: #115 austin_blue
Again, again, and again, why should anyone be surprised by this?
Good question. Expecting new behavior from the same old white sheet duncecaps might as well be a sign of madness, at this point.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:42:11pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
Hell, I say: “Embrace liberalism by drinking wine! A good Pinot Noir is better than beer!”
For saying that, I’m a “Eurosocialist”.
making wine is a rich man’s game
making beer is a game anyone can play
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:42:35pm |
re: #118 WindUpBird
making wine is a rich man’s game
making beer is a game anyone can play
Making chocolate is an expert’s game.
Not for amateurs.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:43:16pm |
re: #119 EmmmieG
Making chocolate is an expert’s game.
Not for amateurs.
I know a lady who makes great truffles! But she actually went to school for it *_*
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:44:04pm |
re: #120 WindUpBird
I know a lady who makes great truffles! But she actually went to school for it *_*
Precisely.
For amateurs they make a “chocolate flavored candy coating” that anyone can use.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:54:42pm |
re: #116 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Mischaracterization of conservatives in general as bigots. Par for the course from this one.
GAZE
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:59:55pm |
Angry Black Lady sums things up via Twitter: Fuck you Newt. Fuck you repeatedly and with prejudice. Fuck your newsletter, fuck your doughy face, fuck yo couch.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:00:18pm |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Angry Black Lady sums things up via Twitter: Fuck you Newt. Fuck you repeatedly and with prejudice. Fuck your newsletter, fuck your doughy face, fuck yo couch.
Wait? The couch? His furniture? What did it do?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:01:49pm |
re: #124 EmmmieG
Wait? The couch? His furniture? What did it do?
I’m not sure, but the expression still makes me laugh.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:04:26pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m not sure, but the expression still makes me laugh.
While I have owned some really ugly couches, I’m not sure any merited open hostility.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:05:45pm |
re: #126 EmmmieG
While I have owned some really ugly couches, I’m not sure any merited open hostility.
i’ve known some couches that had an aggressive way of swallowing people
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:08:04pm |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
Mischaracterization of conservatives in general as bigots. Par for the course from this one.
GAZE
Uh lol, the phrase was “conservative white bigot”. There is nothing general about that, it’s very specific.
However, you will indeed be voting for the one endorsed by a known/good white nationalist. Congratulations.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:08:18pm |
re: #124 EmmmieG
Wait? The couch? His furniture? What did it do?
That’s the urban version of “and the horse you rode in on.”
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:10:31pm |
i thought the Angry Black Lady meant to spell “cooch”
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:13:34pm |
re: #129 sagehen
That’s the urban version of “and the horse you rode in on.”
The politically correct version: “Evelope yourself, and the horse you oppressed by riding in on.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:13:48pm |
re: #130 engineer dog
i thought the Angry Black Lady meant to spell “cooch”
I don’t think Newt’s got one of those.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:14:47pm |
re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal
Newt Gingrich blows racial dog whistles and gets a standing ovation. That’s my take on the GOP.
oh, he retired that dog whistle long ago, now he’s on trombone.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:15:08pm |
Well, I have had animus towards a few pieces of furniture that were right where my shin wanted to be.
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engineer cat Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:18:32pm |
re: #133 sagehen
oh, he retired that dog whistle long ago, now he’s on trombone.
the fact that mainstream republican presidential candidates can repeatedly say “food stamp president” on national tv means to me that the republican party has abandoned any pretense of not encouraging racism
it’s about the most blatantly racist phrase i’ve heard from a supposedly respectable political figure in my life, unless you count george wallace in his original, unrepentant phase
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:18:41pm |
re: #134 EmmmieG
Well, I have had animus towards a few pieces of furniture that were right where my shin wanted to be.
It’s from the Chapelle show. Rick James skit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:22:46pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:25:22pm |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Angry Black Lady sums things up via Twitter: Fuck you Newt. Fuck you repeatedly and with prejudice. Fuck your newsletter, fuck your doughy face, fuck yo couch.
Quoted for truth.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 17, 2012 12:28:49am |
Since the Time Warp is stuck in 1962:
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 12:29:19am |
Another cold, frosty morning on the Rhine.
We should let the birthers have a good long look at Romney’s eligibility issues.
Orly? Hit it!
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simoom Tue, Jan 17, 2012 12:34:46am |
As to that remark that earned fmr. Spkr. Gingrich a standing ovation the SC debate (FNC transcript):
WILLIAMS: The suggestion that he made was about a lack of work ethic. And I’ve got to tell you, my e-mail account, my Twitter account has been inundated with people of all races who are asking if your comments are not intended to belittle the poor and racial minorities.
You saw some of this reaction during your visit…
(BOOING)
… to a black church in South Carolina. You saw some of this during your visit to a black church in South Carolina, where a woman asked you why you refer to President Obama as “the food stamp president.” It sounds as if you are seeking to belittle people.
(BOOING)
GINGRICH: Well, first of all, Juan, the fact is that more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.
(APPLAUSE)
Now, I know among the politically correct, you’re not supposed to use facts that are uncomfortable.
(LAUGHTER)
(APPLAUSE)
Second, you’re the one who earlier raised a key point. There’s — the area that ought to be I-73 was called by Barack Obama a corridor of shame because of unemployment. Has it improved in three years? No. They haven’t built the road. They haven’t helped the people. They haven’t done anything.
(APPLAUSE)
I’m pretty sure the reason President Obama was unsuccessful in his efforts to repair the dilapidated “corridor of shame” schools was because fmr. SC Gov. Mark Sanford rejected 700+ million of the SC stimulus to score cheap political points (at the expense of his constituents).
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]
At this point, most 18 year olds would be coasting through their last weeks in high school.
But Casey Edwards is taking Governor Mark Sanford all the way to the state Supreme Court over the governor’s refusal to accept federal stimulus money - some $700 million in aid for South Carolina’s schools.
“The fact that we’re going to turn down money when we desperately need it, really bothered me,” Edwards said.
Over the past year, Edwards and her friends have been working to improve impoverished schools along South Carolina’s I-95 - a stretch of rural districts known as the Corridor of Shame, reports CBS News correspondent Jeff Glor.
Bud Ferillo made a documentary about the issue, “Corridor of Shame: The Neglect of South Carolina’s Rural Schools.”
…
In a statement, the governor told CBS News he’s “looking out for school children who will be forced to pay back the so-called stimulus bill.”
…
South Carolina’s legislature has voted to accept the money, but the governor is expected to veto the bill.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 12:51:01am |
re: #144 simoom
As to that remark that earned fmr. Spkr. Gingrich a standing ovation the SC debate (FNC transcript):
I’m pretty sure the reason President Obama was unsuccessful in his efforts to repair the dilapidated “corridor of shame” schools was because fmr. SC Gov. Mark Sanford rejected 700+ million of the SC stimulus to score cheap political points (at the expense of his constituents).
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]
How are kids supposed to pay anything back if they lack the education and training to get jobs?
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freetoken Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:00:49am |
re: #146 ralphieboy
How are kids supposed to pay anything back if they lack the education and training to get jobs?
Well, Newt will make sure they are well trained to be janitors.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:03:16am |
re: #147 freetoken
Well, Newt will make sure they are well trained to be janitors.
What better qualification than that to set to work cleaning up corridors of shame?
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freetoken Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:07:24am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:09:25am |
Heard about that on FB. Either we see the Internet as a resoucce to be managed for the benefit of all, or we treat it as a cash cow to be milked by those with the most influence.
And bets on how that is going to turn out?
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freetoken Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:10:22am |
re: #150 ralphieboy
The internet challenges ideas about national sovereignty and the ability of nations to control the flow of information.
Some people don’t like that.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:15:32am |
re: #151 freetoken
That is irrelevant: it is a source of revenue, and it according to the laws of Absolute Economic Freedom, it should be owned and controlled by the highest bidder, preferably from a monopoly position.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:17:12am |
If Wikipedia, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Craigslist and eBay were to coordinate a 24-hour blackout…
and then follow up by targeted blackouts 9-5 EST from all ISPs in one or two particular buildings in Washington DC…
That Bill would be toast. Fuck what the MPAA wants.
(edit to add: YouTube).
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freetoken Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:21:28am |
Who knew llamas could be so inquisitive?
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sagehen Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:21:40am |
So, ummm… while I wasn’t watching the debate, I did watch “Alcatraz.”
Anybody else? Comments?
(I liked it…. but then, I’m a total J.J. Abrams fangirl.)
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researchok Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:23:44am |
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freetoken Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:25:17am |
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researchok Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:32:58am |
re: #158 freetoken
I favorited that one too.
I like the ‘baroque’ aspect of that.
Your choices are really good. The music really has become a part of my AM routine.
You know, you ought to put together a few loops of music and get yourself an internet based radio station.
And that way you can say you’ve been a right of center guy into submission.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 2:01:29am |
re: #153 sagehen
That Bill would be toast. Fuck what the MPAA wants.
This. Fuck MPAA, RIAA and the rest of them. Fuck them in the neck.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 2:58:21am |
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 17, 2012 3:34:53am |
re: #149 freetoken
So will BoingBoing and Reddit:
[Link: boingboing.net…]
I haven’t seen a full list of supporting sites anywhere.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 17, 2012 3:42:26am |
Quiz: Cop or Soldier?
[Link: www.proprofs.com…]
I got 19 out of 21.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 3:43:18am |
re: #162 RogueOne
Good.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 3:44:57am |
re: #163 RogueOne
Quiz: Cop or Soldier?
[Link: www.proprofs.com…]I got 19 out of 21.
Why should there be a difference? The front line of the WOT is right there in our living rooms and city streets…
/ (not to a lot of people)
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 3:55:32am |
re: #166 RogueOne
WOT or WOD?
THE WOD is a sub-set of the WOD, remember? Terrorists use drug money to fund their operations….
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:18:26am |
re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I ain’t taking that bet.
Speaking rhetorically: I do not make bets based on others’ (potential) misfortune.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:21:30am |
re: #169 ralphieboy
I’m frankly stunned that the internet has retained the level of freedom it has had up until now.
They’ll probably tell us that they want to save us from a repeat of the nationwide panic following the fake news of Jon Bon Jovi’s death.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:23:22am |
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Flounder Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:24:43am |
Good morning y’all.
I was forced to watch the show “I Cloned My Pet”
on TLC. [Link: theclicker.today.msnbc.msn.com…]
First of all these people are nuts. I love my tweedle dum and tweedle dummer (choco lab and a hound dog) but when they pass you gotta let it go. So these folks spend AT LEAST $50,000 big smackers for a clone of their dog in S. Korea.
1) Why aren’t we doing this here?
2) Two of the folks who got their cloned puppy, asked the puppy “Do you remember me?” Are you kidding?
Maybe that is why we don’t do #1
I Blame GWB.
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:25:11am |
DeMint says fragmented electorate a ‘good thing’
Speaking to a group of reporters after a speech at the Tea Party Convention here, DeMint said that when he talks to Tea Party supporters across the state, “they’re supporting all of the candidates. They’re pretty divided and I think that’s a good thing because there are good things about all the candidates.”
When pressed on why he thinks division is a good idea, DeMint chuckled, saying, “In my Senate primary I got 22 percent.”
engineer dog sez being unable to get back to sleep at 4:22 in the morning a “good thing”
when pressed he replied “that’s a joke goddamit now lemme try and get back to sleep fercrissakes”
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:27:03am |
re: #172 Shropshire_Slasher
Cloned animals also all die painfully.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:27:52am |
re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m frankly stunned that the internet has retained the level of freedom it has had up until now.
They’ll probably tell us that they want to save us from a repeat of the nationwide panic following the fake news of Jon Bon Jovi’s death.
There is just too much money to be made and too much power to be exerted by those who would seek to control access to the Internet. There will be a lot of pressure to turn it into a source of revenue to exploited by the hightest bidder and turned into a monopoly.
But it is the nature of the Internet itself that promotes a democratic approach, I hope it endures.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:29:34am |
re: #172 Shropshire_Slasher
There’s progress and there’s Frankenstein and there’s Pet Sematary.
This is an rare and odd combination of the three.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:40:38am |
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:42:51am |
re: #178 Obdicut
Prove it.
I’m getting paid to go to school and I’m drinking yummy french press coffee.
Booyah!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:44:14am |
re: #179 rwdflynavy
I’m getting paid to go to school and I’m drinking yummy french press coffee.
Booyah!
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:44:42am |
re: #179 rwdflynavy
I’m getting paid to go to school and I’m drinking yummy french press coffee.
Booyah!
I’m having some pretty awesome 9.99 a pound coffee I made in an aeropress— so yeah, that part is good.
And I had pizza for breakfast, which is always nice.
Okay, I’ll grudgingly admit that it may in fact be a good morning.
Hey, are you still active navy?
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:45:46am |
re: #181 Obdicut
I’m having some pretty awesome 9.99 a pound coffee I made in an aeropress— so yeah, that part is good.
And I had pizza for breakfast, which is always nice.
Okay, I’ll grudgingly admit that it may in fact be a good morning.
Hey, are you still active navy?
Yep, 22 years in May.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:46:14am |
re: #180 Sergey Romanov
Quod erat demonstrandum.
You better watch that filthy mouth around here!!
//
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:48:19am |
re: #182 rwdflynavy
Yep, 22 years in May.
A friend of mine has been talking to a recruiter. How much influence, if any, does the recruiter, or the recruit, have on job assignment? I figure it’s pretty much the Navy decides what’s up and that’s it, that a recruit shouldn’t trust any promises of one particular job or area or anything.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:48:44am |
How do you make French Press coffee? I’ve heard that it’s fabulous and I’m always seeing French Press coffemakers on SALE, so, what’s the secret?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:49:54am |
Anybody watch “Alcatraz” last night? I thought it was pretty good, even though I don’t normally like time-travel, paranormal stuff.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:51:13am |
re: #183 rwdflynavy
You better watch that filthy mouth around here!!
//
Lingua Latina non penis canina! //
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:51:19am |
re: #185 Alouette
I prefer the aeropress, which is the same principle but less messy.
Basically, a french press is a wire mesh and a container. You put the grounds in the container, you pour in the hot water, and then you press the mesh down so the grounds get trapped at the bottom.
They’re icky to clean and the wire meshes never really get completely clean.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:51:50am |
re: #184 Obdicut
A friend of mine has been talking to a recruiter. How much influence, if any, does the recruiter, or the recruit, have on job assignment? I figure it’s pretty much the Navy decides what’s up and that’s it, that a recruit shouldn’t trust any promises of one particular job or area or anything.
Not my area of expertise, but unless he/she gets it in writing it is just talk. Recruiters have certain billets to fill and depending on your friends ASVAB sccore and education level, that will drive what jobs they could get.
In this economy, the military can be more picky on who they recruit, although the Navy’s manning will most likely either remain steady or slightly increase over the next few years with the shift in focus away from ground forces and toward the Pacific theater (which is made up of a whole lot of water).
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:52:48am |
re: #185 Alouette
How do you make French Press coffee? I’ve heard that it’s fabulous and I’m always seeing French Press coffemakers on SALE, so, what’s the secret?
the coffee does not pass through a filter, it retains a lot of its aromatic oils and the like. next best thing to cowboy coffee.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:55:51am |
re: #190 ralphieboy
If you use a metal screen on an aeropress, you get the same unfiltered effect but it’s so much easier to clean up.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:56:16am |
re: #188 Obdicut
I prefer the aeropress, which is the same principle but less messy.
Basically, a french press is a wire mesh and a container. You put the grounds in the container, you pour in the hot water, and then you press the mesh down so the grounds get trapped at the bottom.
They’re icky to clean and the wire meshes never really get completely clean.
But they make the best coffee. Starbucks QA lab uses them to make samples. Ours is a stainless thermos-flask design. (Three dollars from a thrift store.) And I’m drinking from it at this minute. ‘Morning, all.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:58:10am |
Gona go make some myself in a minute.
To get the screens really clean, you have to take them apart and run them through a dishwasher.
Another trick: place the grounds in first with a few tablespoons of water, let them soak for about three minutes before adding the hot (but not poiling) water.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:58:53am |
re: #189 rwdflynavy
My friend is a good kid— 19— from a rough background, just got his GED, his mom just passed away after he took care of her and he’s losing their house. He’s got a gas station job right now but they’re kind of assholes to him and he’s got not so many opportunities. I’m thinking that, promising the moon or nay, the Navy might be a good choice for him.
Do you think it’d be a better idea for him to get some college first before going into it?
Oh, and he swims like a goddamn fish, if that’s even important in the Navy these days.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 4:59:40am |
re: #193 ralphieboy
Gona go make some myself in a minute.
To get the screens really clean, you have to take them apart and run them through a dishwasher.
Another trick: place the grounds in first with a few tablespoons of water, let them soak for about three minutes before adding the hot (but not poiling) water.
Right about the boiling (204f), but there’s no way I’m adding three minutes to the morning desperation.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:01:51am |
re: #194 Obdicut
My friend is a good kid— 19— from a rough background, just got his GED, his mom just passed away after he took care of her and he’s losing their house. He’s got a gas station job right now but they’re kind of assholes to him and he’s got not so many opportunities. I’m thinking that, promising the moon or nay, the Navy might be a good choice for him.
Do you think it’d be a better idea for him to get some college first before going into it?
Oh, and he swims like a goddamn fish, if that’s even important in the Navy these days.
Given his situation, he probably won’t get many choices in the Navy. That being said, if he is a hard worker he could rise quickly in the Navy and even if he decides to get out after his first enlistment he has the awesome post 911 GI Bill to pay for his college and living expenses.
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Flounder Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:04:32am |
I have a programmable coffee maker, make my coffee the night before: [Link: www.amazon.com…]
I only buy coffee makers with the cone style coffee filter.
I like my coffee strong, like my men.
/
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:05:44am |
re: #194 Obdicut
If he is a really good swimmer he might look into becoming a Search and Rescue Swimmer. That is a collateral job that pays a little extra. Assuming he gets a rating that assigns him to a ship, he can go to SAR Swimmer school and pick up that as a separate designator. Ships never have enough qualified guys, so if he is in good shape and a good swimmer, might be a good option.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:06:45am |
re: #197 Shropshire_Slasher
I have a programmable coffee maker, make my coffee the night before: [Link: www.amazon.com…]
I only buy coffee makers with the cone style coffee filter.
I like my coffee strong, like my men.
/
So you should join the Navy—their coffee strength is legend. We had an ex-WWII sailor in our office, wouldn’t let him near the pot.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:07:34am |
re: #199 Decatur Deb
So you should join the Navy—their coffee strength is legend. We had an ex-WWII sailor in our office, wouldn’t let him near the pot.
The trick is leaving a pot on the burner all night. That’s where that unique “flavor” comes from…
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Flounder Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:07:43am |
re: #198 rwdflynavy
I’m a good floater, maybe I should join the Navy!!
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:09:55am |
re: #201 Shropshire_Slasher
I’m a good floater, maybe I should join the Navy!!
My first job in the Navy was working at the pool where flight school students had to train in survival swimming, treading water and the infamous “dead man’s float”. I worked with some of the Marines who had trouble floating. Zero body fat will do that to you!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:10:37am |
re: #200 rwdflynavy
The trick is leaving a pot on the burner all night. That’s where that unique “flavor” comes from…
Worked with a lot of small Army detachments on isolated foreign bases. They had no life for their 1-year tours, so the mess hall was the biggest morale factor. They tried to hire ex-Navy cooks. (One, the trophy holder, was from a BB.)
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:11:08am |
re: #196 rwdflynavy
He is a really, really hard worker with a very placid disposition. I think sergeants would love him just because he never gets into any trouble whatsoever and does whatever he’s asked. He’s not the smartest kid in the world but he’s very observant and has a great memory. I mean, he didn’t pass calculus, but he can take apart a motor and remember where each piece goes together.
re: #198 rwdflynavy
If he is a really good swimmer he might look into becoming a Search and Rescue Swimmer. That is a collateral job that pays a little extra. Assuming he gets a rating that assigns him to a ship, he can go to SAR Swimmer school and pick up that as a separate designator. Ships never have enough qualified guys, so if he is in good shape and a good swimmer, might be a good option.
Ah, that’s really cool. I’ll tell him about that— he always wanted to be a firefighter, so the rescue idea would probably appeal a lot to him. He is a really fantastic swimmer so that’s a good idea. He’s not incredibly fast, but his idea of a good day is swimming the Russian River for four hours— I’ve never seen him get tired during swimming.
Thanks, man. I think he’ll do the Navy proud and they’ll be lucky to have him. I just hope he winds up in a good place there.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:12:28am |
Am I allowed to participate in this Navy conversation? My late dad was a WW2 Navy vet.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:13:07am |
re: #202 rwdflynavy
My first job in the Navy was working at the pool where flight school students had to train in survival swimming, treading water and the infamous “dead man’s float”. I worked with some of the Marines who had trouble floating. Zero body fat will do that to you!
That’s me. I was a lifeguard in HS but can’t float to save my life. That stupid “fill up your pants with air” doesn’t work for shit!
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:13:17am |
re: #204 Obdicut
He is a really, really hard worker with a very placid disposition. I think sergeants would love him just because he never gets into any trouble whatsoever and does whatever he’s asked. He’s not the smartest kid in the world but he’s very observant and has a great memory. I mean, he didn’t pass calculus, but he can take apart a motor and remember where each piece goes together.
re: #198 rwdflynavy
Ah, that’s really cool. I’ll tell him about that— he always wanted to be a firefighter, so the rescue idea would probably appeal a lot to him. He is a really fantastic swimmer so that’s a good idea. He’s not incredibly fast, but his idea of a good day is swimming the Russian River for four hours— I’ve never seen him get tired during swimming.Thanks, man. I think he’ll do the Navy proud and they’ll be lucky to have him. I just hope he winds up in a good place there.
Glad to help! Off to class. If you or he have more questions, my email is my NIC name @ yahoo dot com.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:15:57am |
re: #205 Alouette
Am I allowed to participate in this Navy conversation? My late dad was a WW2 Navy vet.
Heh. Feel free.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:16:36am |
My dad rolled steel plate for the US navy in WWII…
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:17:29am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:17:44am |
Morning Lizardim. Snowy day this morning, but I still managed to get into work on time. Don’t know quite how that worked out, but I’m not complaining. Too much.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:17:54am |
I feel a branch war coming on…..The Navy treated my sisters very well…the men joined the Marines or the Army.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:20:44am |
re: #212 RogueOne
I feel a branch war coming on…The Navy treated my sisters very well…the men joined the Marines or the Army.
I have a family friend that is in a similar situation. The father was in the Navy. One of the daughters went to the Air Force Academy for meteorology. The son is a tank commander in the Army.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:21:37am |
re: #209 ralphieboy
My grandpa was ACOE, but he was a landing craft guy so he spent most of his time on the water.
The US military, where Army Engineers pilot landing craft in the surf while Navy airplanes fly overhead and Air Force pararescue guys land on a mountaintop.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:23:14am |
re: #213 thedopefishlives
My Dad and 1 sister were Navy (the other AF, all the attractive military females join the AF). The rest of the family males ended up Marines or Army. Dad still takes a lot of ribbing.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:24:18am |
re: #214 Obdicut
My grandpa was ACOE, but he was a landing craft guy so he spent most of his time on the water.
The US military, where Army Engineers pilot landing craft in the surf while Navy airplanes fly overhead and Air Force pararescue guys land on a mountaintop.
It was a true saying, at least years ago, that “The Army has more boats than the Navy, and more planes than the Air Force”.) I crossed the lagoon at Kwajalein a few years ago in an Army landing craft.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:28:27am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:28:34am |
Wow, there was apparently ice in San Francisco last night. Nifty.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:30:52am |
re: #217 ralphieboy
US Steel Gary, Indiana. He was 4F and had three kids already.
I’ve been to Burns Harbor and toured one of the steel mills. Definitely takes a special kind of person to survive in that kind of environment.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:31:43am |
It’s daylight here—now opening the greenhouse plastic has been added to the morning dog duty. BBL.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:34:17am |
re: #219 thedopefishlives
I’ve been to Burns Harbor and toured one of the steel mills. Definitely takes a special kind of person to survive in that kind of environment.
People used to come and ask “What’s that smell?”, to which I would reply “What smell?” Then they would ask “Why is the sky that color?”, to which I would reply “What color? Is the sky supposed to have a color?”.
I remember reading about the Northern Lights, and went out one evening to see the sky aglow. But that was not the aurora, that was them just opening up the blast furnaces.
And when the wind shifted from the East, we got the aroma of the Standard Oil of Indiana petroeum refineries in Whiting…
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:38:03am |
re: #221 ralphieboy
One of the only good pieces of writing in Rand’s Atlas Shrugged is the scene in the steel mill.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:39:25am |
re: #222 Obdicut
One of the only good pieces of writing in Rand’s Atlas Shrugged is the scene in the steel mill.
My dad was an amateur autor, even had a couple of short stories on the steel mills published in a local anthology. But he was too busy trying to raise and feed six children to make a career of it…
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:49:17am |
re: #155 freetoken
Who knew llamas could be so inquisitive?
[Video]
NO ONE EXPECTS THE LLAMA INQUISITION!
:)
Good morning Lizards!
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:58:16am |
re: #214 Obdicut
My grandpa was ACOE, but he was a landing craft guy so he spent most of his time on the water.
The US military, where Army Engineers pilot landing craft in the surf while Navy airplanes fly overhead and Air Force pararescue guys land on a mountaintop.
My grandfather was stationed on this ship during WW2.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:59:29am |
re: #221 ralphieboy
People used to come and ask “What’s that smell?”, to which I would reply “What smell?” Then they would ask “Why is the sky that color?”, to which I would reply “What color? Is the sky supposed to have a color?”.
I remember reading about the Northern Lights, and went out one evening to see the sky aglow. But that was not the aurora, that was them just opening up the blast furnaces.
And when the wind shifted from the East, we got the aroma of the Standard Oil of Indiana petroeum refineries in Whiting…
East wind where I was growing up in northern NY state brought the smell of sulfer from a paper mill in Ontario. A true case where you could smell a change in the weather coming.
;)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 5:59:46am |
re: #220 Decatur Deb
It’s daylight here—now opening the greenhouse plastic has been added to the morning dog duty. BBL.
Not daylight here yet but i’m expecting delivery and the first day of installation for my greenhouse. I’m very excited.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:02:34am |
All Aboard the Failboat: A look inside the damaged cruise liner Costa Concordia
The article is pretty in-depth in itself, along with the photographs. One thing that saddens me is the two missing Americans, an older couple from White Bear Lake, which is just outside the Twin Cities to the north.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:02:58am |
Also, good morning.
Or bad morning.
Or meh morning.
Whichever applies.
:)
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:03:52am |
Uh-oh. Rich Lowry has starbursts again:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:05:24am |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
Not daylight here yet but i’m expecting delivery and the first day of installation for my greenhouse. I’m very excited.
Just remember to post when the frogs start Occupy:Greenhouse.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:05:47am |
re: #225 Varek Raith
My grandfather was stationed on this ship during WW2.
My dad was stationed on this ship during WW2.
And Zedushka’s uncle (that he is named for) was stationed on this ship and killed in a kamikaze attack.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:22:56am |
I was arguably lucky in having a father too young to server and a grandfather too old to serve in WW2. However, my father was in the USN in the early 50s and served on the Essex-class USS Yorktown while it was flying jet aircraft. (He was an electronics officers in a fighter squadron that flew F2H Banshees.)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Since the Yorktown is a museum ship now he got a chance to get on board later on in life and commented that it smelled exactly the same. He claimed you could tell the different carriers apart by smell.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:24:04am |
re: #231 oaktree
Just remember to post when the frogs start Occupy:Greenhouse.
Fat chance. I have pepper spray and I’m not shy about using. At the first sign of a drum circle I’m going fascist on their asses!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:24:23am |
re: #230 Lidane
Uh-oh. Rich Lowry has starbursts again:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]
Rich has a Newt-on?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:32:28am |
re: #234 Killgore Trout
Fat chance. I have pepper spray and I’m not shy about using. At the first sign of a drum circle I’m going fascist on their asses!
KT you will like my modern version of The Three Billy Goats Gruff.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:33:36am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:34:37am |
re: #234 Killgore Trout
Fat chance. I have pepper spray and I’m not shy about using. At the first sign of a drum circle I’m going fascist on their asses!
As if. I know you didn’t even touch that furry hippie that shat in your kitchen during OccupyKitchenAtNight!
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Flounder Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:35:39am |
Additional info about the failboat and the actions of the skipper:
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
I have watched Titanic several times so I am an expert in shipwrecks, ice bergs, and boobs.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:41:13am |
re: #236 Alouette
Once upon a time, there were Three Billy Goats Gruff, and their names were Robbie, Rapey, and Stabby.
lol
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:52:14am |
re: #232 Alouette
My dad was stationed on this ship during WW2.
And Zedushka’s uncle (that he is named for) was stationed on this ship and killed in a kamikaze attack.
That’s great!
My grandfather wasn’t in the service but he was a longshoreman in Hoboken, NJ.
A little history about where he worked:
This history was taken from the book “Gritty Cities”, Mary Procter and Bill Matuszeski, authors, Temple University Press, 1978.
In the early 1900’s Hoboken was becoming important as a transportation center. The Delaware Lackawana and Western railroad terminated in Hoboken and commuters from New Jersey to Manhattan used the Hoboken Lackawana ferries, which remained in service until the sixties. The PATH (Port Authority Trans-Hudson) Tube was finally opened in 1908 after thirty years under construction. Major European steamship lines, such as Hamburg-American, Holland- American and Scandanavian, began to use Hoboken’s piers and turned Hoboken into a major trans-Atlantic port. Bars and restaurants flourished from the waterfront business. One of these, the Clam Broth House is still an attraction.
The first World War began the time of troubles. From 1914 to 1917 seventeen German ships were immobolized at Hoboken piers under harbor neutrality acts. When the US entered the war in 1917, the US government seized the piers, eliminating hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax revenues, for which the city finally received token compensation in 1950. Further revenues were lost from liquor licenses when the government closed bars within a half mile as part of the establishment of a port of embarkation for troops to Europe. Worst of all, the prosperous German community was destroyed. Part of the city was under martial law and Germans were sent to Elllis Island. Thousands of Germans left Hoboken.
By 1920 Italians outnumbered Germans among the foreign born and Hoboken was becoming known as an Italian City. Manufacturing, shipbuilding and the docks remained important. Increasingly, however, the waterfront was plauged with crime and racketeering.
Apart from the soldiers, who knew Hoboken in both World Wars, the American public got its strongest impression of the city from Elia Kazan’s 1954 movie On the Waterfront. The script, by Budd Schulberg, won Best Story and Screenplay - presented by: the Academy Awards , was based on a 1948 New York Sun series of articles about waterfront corruption. The film is the story of the uncovering of a waterfront crime, and used actual dockworkers as extras. Kazan hired bodyguards to protect him throughout the filming on location in Hoboken. Some $30,000 had to be added to the budget to cover payoffs to Hoboken landlords charging exorbhitant rents. Terry, the character played by Marlon Brando, was based on an actual labor union informant named Arthur J. Browne.
Today the shipyards are dead. The enormous Port Authority piers have been closed since 1975. Numerous residential and commercial developments are underway in their place.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:52:25am |
Greets and saluts from the slightly icy and slippery NYC metro area. After that freak snow in October, you would have thought that we were going to be hammered by a harsh winter, but so far it’s been anything but.
I guess buying that snowblower in November was good insurance against having snow. /
In other news, sad to hear that five more bodies were recovered from the Costa Concordia, and new reports from Italian media outlets show that the captain did abandon ship before the passengers were safely rescued and that he refused to return to the ship even as he was ordered to; he’s been charged in connection with those actions.
It still doesn’t quite explain why the ship was so close to the coast and why it was off-course compared to the normal Costa routes. There were some reports claiming that the captain was making a close approach to the island on behalf of some member of the crew, but that still doesn’t explain why they got that close - did the sonar function properly and did the crew use it to chart the course?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:53:38am |
re: #227 Killgore Trout
Not daylight here yet but i’m expecting delivery and the first day of installation for my greenhouse. I’m very excited.
Hardest part of the hoophousing here is keeping it from cooking the veggies.
Your Climate May Vary.
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Interesting Times Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:54:48am |
re: #244 lawhawk
There were some reports claiming that the captain was making a close approach to the island on behalf of some member of the crew, but that still doesn’t explain why they got that close - did the sonar function properly and did the crew use it to chart the course?
I wonder if the captain was subjected to any drug/alcohol tests. It’s scary to think a sober person could be that spectacularly incompetent.
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Flounder Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:58:37am |
You would think the Costa Concordia would turn turtle the opposite of how she did, with the hole underwater. That boulder they hit was pretty damn big. I wonder who the low bidder will be in removing the wreck.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:59:09am |
re: #245 Decatur Deb
Hardest part of the hoophousing here is keeping it from cooking the veggies.
Your Climate May Vary.
I’m going to use a shade cloth covering probably from late june through September. there’s also an automatic vent that opens when temps get too high. It will be a challenge to figure out for the first year. I might tie the greenhouse into my home heating/cooling system. I’ll have to wait and see how it goes.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 6:59:47am |
re: #244 lawhawk
In other news, sad to hear that five more bodies were recovered from the Costa Concordia, and new reports from Italian media outlets show that the captain did abandon ship before the passengers were safely rescued and that he refused to return to the ship even as he was ordered to; he’s been charged in connection with those actions.
It still doesn’t quite explain why the ship was so close to the coast and why it was off-course compared to the normal Costa routes. There were some reports claiming that the captain was making a close approach to the island on behalf of some member of the crew, but that still doesn’t explain why they got that close - did the sonar function properly and did the crew use it to chart the course?
The captain claimed that the underwater rocks that ripped open the hull “were not on the charts” but he did get closer to the island than the set course.
This was an even bigger FAIL than the titanic and the only reason there were fewer casualties is that the water temperature was relatively mild and it was about a 3-minute swim to shore. If the Costa had gown down in freezing water like the Titanic there would have been far fewer survivors.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:00:41am |
re: #246 publicityStunted
I have to think that they did carry out some form of drug testing, but I haven’t seen reports to confirm that. There were also unconfirmed reports that some passengers claimed to have seen the captain drinking (what it was he was drinking is unknown as well).
Also, if there were delays in when any of that testing was done, it would reduce the chances that they’d find that he was indeed DUI.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:05:33am |
Morning all!
I ignored the debate. Am I in peril?
How are you-all?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:06:20am |
re: #249 Alouette
The captain claimed that the underwater rocks that ripped open the hull “were not on the charts” but he did get closer to the island than the set course.
Not only closer than the set course; the Daily Mail article that a couple of us linked upthread also points out that he got closer than any other Costa captains before him. Apparently, it is traditional for them to sail closer to the island to sound a salute, but this captain decided to showboat.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:07:24am |
re: #253 thedopefishlives
Not only closer than the set course; the Daily Mail article that a couple of us linked upthread also points out that he got closer than any other Costa captains before him. Apparently, it is traditional for them to sail closer to the island to sound a salute, but this captain decided to showboat.
He tried to pop a wheelie.
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:07:27am |
Germany now back to being more worried about internal far right and far left terror than Islamic extremist terror? Read and judge for yourself:
[Link: www.spiegel.de…]
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:07:51am |
re: #248 Killgore Trout
I’m going to use a shade cloth covering probably from late june through September. there’s also an automatic vent that opens when temps get too high. It will be a challenge to figure out for the first year. I might tie the greenhouse into my home heating/cooling system. I’ll have to wait and see how it goes.
A smart enough air handler might actually give you days of heat gain in the house (if you can handle the humidity). I’ve actually thought of dumping my clothes dryer air into the hoophouse on rare sub-freezing nights, but the throw would probably be too great for even insulated flex-duct.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:11:42am |
This boat accident is so sad.
It is so stupid.
WTF!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:11:44am |
re: #252 ggt
Morning all!
I ignored the debate. Am I in peril?
How are you-all?
I ignored it as well. In fact I skipped them all. Am I unamerican?
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:12:30am |
re: #258 NJDhockeyfan
I ignored it as well. In fact I skipped them all. Am I unamerican?
No, I think choosing to do what one damn pleases, is very Murkian.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:16:30am |
I think this is where my grandfather worked. It’s a beautiful park now.
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:16:52am |
re: #259 ggt
No, I think choosing to do what one damn pleases, is very Murkian.
I think I really screwed-up punctuating that sentence. Since the intertoobs have come into my life, my spelling and writing mechanics have degenerated tremendously. I can’t even remember what is correct.
Hubby asked me last night if the quotation marks came before or after the period at the end of a sentence. I specifically remember getting that right in 6th grade on the test. Couldn’t specifically remember what the correct answer was last night.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:18:08am |
re: #258 NJDhockeyfan
I ignored it as well. In fact I skipped them all. Am I unamerican?
I’d call that evidence that you’re not a masochist.
Personally, I’ve skipped them all so far too. I won’t pay attention to any debates until the Presidential ones in the fall.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:19:29am |
re: #262 Lidane
I’d call that evidence that you’re not a masochist.
Personally, I’ve skipped them all so far too. I won’t pay attention to any debates until the Presidential ones in the fall.
Me three. And I probably won’t even actually watch the Presidential debates live. Let’s face it, nobody the Republicans nominate is going to get my vote, so why should I bother listening to him?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:19:33am |
re: #262 Lidane
I’d call that evidence that you’re not a masochist.
Personally, I’ve skipped them all so far too. I won’t pay attention to any debates until the Presidential ones in the fall.
I watched the new Fox show “Alcatraz”
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:22:01am |
re: #261 ggt
I think I really screwed-up punctuating that sentence. Since the intertoobs have come into my life, my spelling and writing mechanics have degenerated tremendously. I can’t even remember what is correct.
Hubby asked me last night if the quotation marks came before or after the period at the end of a sentence. I specifically remember getting that right in 6th grade on the test. Couldn’t specifically remember what the correct answer was last night.
In English grammar, quotes come after punctuation but in code, punctuation (operators, delimiters) stay outside the quotes.
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:22:05am |
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:23:50am |
re: #264 Alouette
I watched the new Fox show “Alcatraz”
How was that? I’ve got it on the DVR but haven’t gotten around to watching it. Last night, I got immersed in an audiobook and spent time syncing my phone and goofing around online.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:26:17am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:27:55am |
re: #267 Lidane
How was that? I’ve got it on the DVR but haven’t gotten around to watching it. Last night, I got immersed in an audiobook and spent time syncing my phone and goofing around online.
It got my attention, even though I prefer straight mysteries without the sci-fi. Two things that bothered me:
1. The script writers don’t even know that an SFPD detective is called “Inspector” not “Detective.”
2. How come they can give the hot girl a fat guy sidekick but they can’t give a hot guy a fat girl sidekick?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:27:56am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
What scum. I hope they get caught and spend some quality time in a prison cell.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:29:35am |
re: #270 NJDhockeyfan
What scum. I hope they get caught and spend some quality time in a prison cell.
I don’t know anymore. They seem to be doing this stuff and getting away with it. Maybe after somebody gets killed they’ll start to crack down.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:31:27am |
re: #265 Alouette
In English grammar, quotes come after punctuation but in code, punctuation (operators, delimiters) stay outside the quotes.
I’ll never remember that.
but, thanks!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:33:57am |
Check out the cars in this old picture.
Riverside Drive New York c27 Aug 1961
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:35:40am |
re: #271 Killgore Trout
I don’t know anymore. They seem to be doing this stuff and getting away with it. Maybe after somebody gets killed they’ll start to crack down.
Well, exactly what are they doing that’s illegal? What is the crime, and what is the appropriate punishment? Not that I want to defend Anonymous, but the world of cyber crime is still rather poorly defined in criminal law.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:42:58am |
re: #269 Alouette
I watched the first hour of the premier, and thought it had an interesting premise. It’s a procedural, but has sci-fi/fantasy aspects. Not much chemistry between the Hurley and the Madsen, though that might come. Sam Neill was perfect in that role. Sinister, creepy, and with a lot to hide.
Seems that the girl’s role was meant for someone like Claire Daines or Julia Styles, but found this Sarah Jones to fit the bill instead.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:44:45am |
re: #274 thedopefishlives
Well, exactly what are they doing that’s illegal? What is the crime, and what is the appropriate punishment? Not that I want to defend Anonymous, but the world of cyber crime is still rather poorly defined in criminal law.
It’s an implied threat against people doing their jobs and their families. It’s intended to create fear and intimidation. Just a few days ago LGF was outraged towards threats against MIT scientists and their families. Anti-Abortion terrorists use the same tactic by publishing the names and addresses of doctors hoping that one of their flock will kill them. This is the same thing but since it’s affiliated with OWS the radical left doesn’t seem to think it’s a problem.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:45:50am |
I have to start my day.
Have a great one all!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:46:19am |
re: #275 lawhawk
I watched the first hour of the premier, and thought it had an interesting premise. It’s a procedural, but has sci-fi/fantasy aspects. Not much chemistry between the Hurley and the Madsen, though that might come. Sam Neill was perfect in that role. Sinister, creepy, and with a lot to hide.
Seems that the girl’s role was meant for someone like Claire Daines or Julia Styles, but found this Sarah Jones to fit the bill instead.
I watched the first hour too. Looks interesting. It’s funny. Only time I’ve gotten into sci-fi like shows has been when the cops have been involved. I got a kick out of the US version of Life on Mars for example. Always have been fascinated by time travel which I can trace back to five year old me renting Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure. Yes, that film and not Back to the Future sparked my interest in time travel.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:48:55am |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I’m not disagreeing with the assertion that it’s a problem. I hate Anonymous for a number of reasons, no matter how many ostensibly “white-knight” vigilante actions they may perpetrate. But on what charges, exactly, should they be arrested? That’s why there hasn’t been a crackdown.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:49:13am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
[Link: maps.google.com…]
The shipyard park is shown where part of the shipyards were located (Park Avenue and 15th Street Block 267, Lot 1, Hoboken NJ).
Other background on the Todd Shipyards: Mitchell, Bradford C.Every Kind of Shipwork: A History of Todd Shipyards Corporation, 1916-1981.. Todd Shipyard Corporation: New York. 1981.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:49:39am |
Why did I even bother to go home last night? Arrived there at about 2 a.m ,, slept a full 4 1/2 hours ,,, shower, dressed and out the door for the long quiet drive into work ,,,
Now ,, two hours and two pots of coffee later ,,,,
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:50:20am |
re: #275 lawhawk
I watched the first hour of the premier, and thought it had an interesting premise. It’s a procedural, but has sci-fi/fantasy aspects. Not much chemistry between the Hurley and the Madsen, though that might come. Sam Neill was perfect in that role. Sinister, creepy, and with a lot to hide.
Seems that the girl’s role was meant for someone like Claire Daines or Julia Styles, but found this Sarah Jones to fit the bill instead.
The premise is enticing: somebody/something is performing a time-travel experiment involving convicted felons and prison guards, but we don’t know who is doing this or why (to create a gang of disposable assassins?). I just hope we get more information in solving the puzzle in upcoming episodes and they don’t save up the entire mystery for the season/series finale.
If the series becomes too time-travelly/woowoo I probably won’t watch it.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:52:23am |
I like the hot girl/fat guy but would like to see hot guy/fat girl. They kind of had something like that going on in “Criminal Minds” but then the fat girl lost weight and now she’s the “weird geek girl whose hair and glasses match every outfit”
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:52:42am |
re: #279 thedopefishlives
I’m not disagreeing with the assertion that it’s a problem. I hate Anonymous for a number of reasons, no matter how many ostensibly “white-knight” vigilante actions they may perpetrate. But on what charges, exactly, should they be arrested? That’s why there hasn’t been a crackdown.
Massive credit card fraud alone is enough to arrest them. DDOS attacks are also illegal, hacking private computer systems as well. Pretty much everything they do is illegal. I don’t know why there haven’t been more arrests, I haven’t seen a good explanation for it.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:53:31am |
re: #284 Killgore Trout
Massive credit card fraud alone is enough to arrest them. DDOS attacks are also illegal, hacking private computer systems as well. Pretty much everything they do is illegal. I don’t know why there haven’t been more arrests, I haven’t seen a good explanation for it.
Credit card fraud is STEALING. Last time I checked, that was against the law.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:54:02am |
I finally watched Shameless the other night on Demand. Only the pilot tho. That looks good. Such a different role for William H. Macy. Hard to imagine that’s Jerry Lundegard heh from Fargo.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:55:27am |
re: #284 Killgore Trout
Massive credit card fraud alone is enough to arrest them. DDOS attacks are also illegal, hacking private computer systems as well. Pretty much everything they do is illegal. I don’t know why there haven’t been more arrests, I haven’t seen a good explanation for it.
All of that is great, but now you have to prove it. And therein lies the rub: Anonymous, by and large, was not born yesterday. These people are what you’d consider professional Internet assholes, and they know how to cover their tracks. I’m not saying it’s impossible to track them down and make arrests, but it’s difficult, and all the more so to establish the burden of proof.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:55:35am |
re: #284 Killgore Trout
Massive credit card fraud alone is enough to arrest them. DDOS attacks are also illegal, hacking private computer systems as well. Pretty much everything they do is illegal. I don’t know why there haven’t been more arrests, I haven’t seen a good explanation for it.
1) Jurisdictions? Do ‘we” even know that they are US based??
2) IF they are US based, as I’ve stated before, perhaps (hopefully) Justice and the FBI want to take them down in one fell swoop rather than taking out 1 perp thus allowing the others to burrow deeper
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 7:59:36am |
re: #287 thedopefishlives
All of that is great, but now you have to prove it. And therein lies the rub: Anonymous, by and large, was not born yesterday. These people are what you’d consider professional Internet assholes, and they know how to cover their tracks. I’m not saying it’s impossible to track them down and make arrests, but it’s difficult, and all the more so to establish the burden of proof.
That’s the only explanation I can think of as well. I suspect the laws for getting IP and user information from service providers is probably a mess. That will eventually change. Ironically, Anon is one of the biggest defenders of internet anonymity and they’re also the reason why we’re going to lose a lot of our internet freedoms over the next decade or so.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:02:54am |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
That’s the only explanation I can think of as well. I suspect the laws for getting IP and user information from service providers is probably a mess. That will eventually change. Ironically, Anon is one of the biggest defenders of internet anonymity and they’re also the reason why we’re going to lose a lot of our internet freedoms over the next decade or so.
Not only is getting IP and user information from an ISP a hassle (depending on the provider and the circumstances), but you also have to obtain the IP in the first place. I’d wager that many participants in Anonymous activities make use of the Tor anonymizing network, among other tools. Backtracing data flow through a multiple routed network like that is a nightmare.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:07:03am |
re: #280 lawhawk
[Link: maps.google.com…]
The shipyard park is shown where part of the shipyards were located (Park Avenue and 15th Street Block 267, Lot 1, Hoboken NJ).
Other background on the Todd Shipyards: Mitchell, Bradford C.Every Kind of Shipwork: A History of Todd Shipyards Corporation, 1916-1981.. Todd Shipyard Corporation: New York. 1981.
He worked there back in the day when the neighborhood was just a few bars and the longshoreman were tough SOBs. When the everything was loaded on ships in the large containers they closed those shipyards moved it to Newark according to my mom. He was a short Danish immigrant and a huge union guy. He had a scar and never talked about it. After his funeral we found out it was from a fight at one of those bars from a broken bottle.
I miss my grandpa.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:09:56am |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Anon is one of the biggest defenders of internet anonymity and they’re also the reason why we’re going to lose a lot of our internet freedoms over the next decade or so.
The reason we’ll lose internet freedoms is not that there’s a loosely based rogue organization of hackers stirring up trouble. We’ll lose internet freedoms because there’s money to be made by taking away our freedoms. Restricted bandwidth - for example allowing companies like Comcast to throttle back “free” resources like bittorrent streams so people are forced to go through commercial protocols. The Mountain-Dew chugging, cheeto munching keyboard warriors are just an easy target to make gullible people believe are to blame.
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:11:15am |
re: #292 darthstar
The reason we’ll lose internet freedoms is not that there’s a loosely based rogue organization of hackers stirring up trouble. We’ll lose internet freedoms because there’s money to be made by taking away our freedoms. Restricted bandwidth - for example allowing companies like Comcast to throttle back “free” resources like bittorrent streams so people are forced to go through commercial protocols. The Mountain-Dew chugging, cheeto munching keyboard warriors are just an easy target to make gullible people believe are to blame.
When will you learn to live in fear like a good American?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:11:59am |
re: #292 darthstar
This. Also, losing Internet freedoms is most likely going to come at the hands of the copyright police, who believe that us ordinary plebs are sullying their Most Holy Intellectual Property. See, for example, the way they’re trying to hustle SOPA/PIPA through Congress.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:12:57am |
re: #292 darthstar
The reason we’ll lose internet freedoms is not that there’s a loosely based rogue organization of hackers stirring up trouble. We’ll lose internet freedoms because there’s money to be made by taking away our freedoms. Restricted bandwidth - for example allowing companies like Comcast to throttle back “free” resources like bittorrent streams so people are forced to go through commercial protocols. The Mountain-Dew chugging, cheeto munching keyboard warriors are just an easy target to make gullible people believe are to blame.
In this instance the money is on both sides. Google et al vs. the studios and labels.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:14:59am |
re: #292 darthstar
The reason we’ll lose internet freedoms is not that there’s a loosely based rogue organization of hackers stirring up trouble. We’ll lose internet freedoms because there’s money to be made by taking away our freedoms. Restricted bandwidth - for example allowing companies like Comcast to throttle back “free” resources like bittorrent streams so people are forced to go through commercial protocols. The Mountain-Dew chugging, cheeto munching keyboard warriors are just an easy target to make gullible people believe are to blame.
Well, there’s also the issue of copyright infringement. Torrent sites distribute a lot of copyrighted movies and music. Studios put a lot of money into that stuff.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:15:18am |
Nevermind the fact that SOPA will do exactly shit to stop piracy.
Just like how DRM on games don’t stop piracy. Of course, DRM on games is more about stopping second hand sales as opposed to stopping piracy.
;)
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:17:55am |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Well, there’s also the issue of copyright infringement. Torrent sites distribute a lot of copyrighted movies and music. Studios put a lot of money into that stuff.
We’d have to be China on steroids with internet restrictions to have any hope of stemming internet piracy.
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:18:00am |
re: #295 Rightwingconspirator
In this instance the money is on both sides. Google et al vs. the studios and labels.
I wouldn’t say Google is really on the “open internet side” - they’re on the Google side, which in some ways depends on an open internet, but in others does not. There’s a very relevant article on Slashdot this morning about Google’s efforts to monetize their mapping service.
[Link: tech.slashdot.org…]
(The vandalism aspect of that story is overplayed since it appears to be a rogue employee situation rather than any kind of corporate malfeasance. However it does illustrate the bumps in the road that will be felt when Google has to continue to grow its revenue and provide value to shareholders.)
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:18:10am |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Well, there’s also the issue of copyright infringement. Torrent sites distribute a lot of copyrighted movies and music. Studios put a lot of money into that stuff.
Yeah ,, but they’re the 1%, so they can afford it!!
/
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:18:46am |
re: #294 thedopefishlives
This. Also, losing Internet freedoms is most likely going to come at the hands of the copyright police, who believe that us ordinary plebs are sullying their Most Holy Intellectual Property. See, for example, the way they’re trying to hustle SOPA/PIPA through Congress.
Agreed, but I’m on the fence. There is a reason to protect copyrights and intellectual property. A lot of artists make a living from their art and stealing it is wrong. I use torrents myself but try to limit it to stuff I can’t buy (UK tv shows) or at least things I wouldn’t watch if I actually had to pay for. I can’t speak about the specifics of SOPA because I haven’t really looked into it but I do understand the need for improved copyright protection.
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Interesting Times Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:19:32am |
re: #295 Rightwingconspirator
In this instance the money is on both sides. Google et al vs. the studios and labels.
When Google does things that give Rupert Murdoch a sad, I’m automatically on their side :P
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:20:05am |
re: #295 Rightwingconspirator
In this instance the money is on both sides. Google et al vs. the studios and labels.
Google has realized that their biggest profit potential comes from deregulation of the internets. The entertainment industry is the only one that will benefit from regulation…and that benefit would be short-lived(and at this point I should note that the irony of a liberal progressive like myself arguing for deregulation hasn’t escaped me).
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:20:16am |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
I’m not disagreeing that copyright holders deserve protection. I make my living on intellectual property, as a programmer. However, the studios are stuck in their old business model, and rather than changing to adapt to new technology and new consumer demands, they are instead going the draconian route by attempting to legislate that their way is the one and only way to access their content. If they would just loosen up and listen to the consumers they’re so busy trying to alienate, perhaps they could come up with new ways to make money that don’t rely on per-copy profits.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:21:49am |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Ironically, Anon is one of the biggest defenders of internet anonymity and they’re also the reason why we’re going to lose a lot of our internet freedoms over the next decade or so.
So what happens to blogs like LGF if one can only blog openly, with anonymous logins to protect our privacy or anonymity? A few of us blog open already, but far more desire anonymity and for perfectly healthy reasons.
That was a trick question to lead you to my feeling that ordinary blog savvy users are a critical advocate for privacy. I think what we have to remember is our principles of privacy as we enjoy (or perhaps before 9/11) are entirely independent of technology. That is to say the logical appropriate application of our expectations is to migrate privacy standards and search and seizure rule to each technology intact. From letters to phones to internet/email to whatever comes next…
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:22:02am |
What’s stupid is the RIAA and MPAA assuming someone who pirated material would’ve ever bought it in the first place.
They regard piracy as lost sales.
Silly.
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:22:18am |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
Agreed, but I’m on the fence. There is a reason to protect copyrights and intellectual property. A lot of artists make a living from their art and stealing it is wrong. I use torrents myself but try to limit it to stuff I can’t buy (UK tv shows) or at least things I wouldn’t watch if I actually had to pay for. I can’t speak about the specifics of SOPA because I haven’t really looked into it but I do understand the need for improved copyright protection.
Why can’t you buy UK tv shows?
I’ll pass on the “things I wouldn’t watch if I actually had to pay for” because I don’t want to bash you as a cheapskate rapey stabby hippie - that would be too weird.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:22:35am |
re: #306 Varek Raith
What’s stupid is the RIAA and MPAA assuming someone who pirated material would’ve ever bought it in the first place.
They regard piracy as lost sales.
Silly.
Also, it’s been demonstrated that in some circumstances, piracy actually aids sales. They aren’t being hurt by it nearly as badly as they make themselves out to be.
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:24:15am |
“I wouldn’t drive a BMW if I actually had to pay for it, but since it was just sitting there with the keys in the ignition, why not?”
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:24:23am |
re: #306 Varek Raith
What’s stupid is the RIAA and MPAA assuming someone who pirated material would’ve ever bought it in the first place.
They regard piracy as lost sales.
Silly.
As far as I’m aware, no other industry operates like this…
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:25:35am |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Well, there’s also the issue of copyright infringement. Torrent sites distribute a lot of copyrighted movies and music. Studios put a lot of money into that stuff.
There are laws for that stuff on the books. The state is not actually obligated to make it easier for the studios to battle copyright infringement.
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:29:55am |
re: #311 Sergey Romanov
There are laws for that stuff on the books. The state is not actually obligated to make it easier for the studios to battle copyright infringement.
Not to mention that the authors of these laws are always found, hilariously, to be multiple violators of existing copyright law.
If you own an electronic device and use it to listen to music, you are probably already breaking the law.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:30:05am |
Anyone who has ever bought an entire CD to discover that the song that they had already heard was the only good song on the album knows that the business model needs to change.
I didn’t buy a CD for a pretty long time after that—felt burned.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:30:26am |
re: #306 Varek Raith
What’s stupid is the RIAA and MPAA assuming someone who pirated material would’ve ever bought it in the first place.
They regard piracy as lost sales.
Silly.
Is there any real study data on that?
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:30:49am |
re: #311 Sergey Romanov
There are laws for that stuff on the books. The state is not actually obligated to make it easier for the studios to battle copyright infringement.
And the goalposts keeps moving. Look how Disney and others have been able to influence the extension of copyright a few times already.
This isn’t a black/white conflict. The balancing act is getting information and creative works into the public sphere where they can promote synergies as compared to allowing a creator to gain some profit from their creations. There are pressures that allow abuse coming from both sides of the issue, as well as a decent amount of historical baggage. And this is not even mentioning the issues involving domestic vs. international copyright laws and the can o’worms involved in dealing with international copyright violations and related piracy.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:31:56am |
re: #311 Sergey Romanov
There are laws for that stuff on the books. The state is not actually obligated to make it easier for the studios to battle copyright infringement.
I think we should have state media stores (like some states do with liquor). You want to put a copy of that song on your iPod? Bring the unopened CD, a receipt that shows you have sole ownership of the iPod, and take a number…also, if you’ll sign this pledge to not play over external speakers? Thank you.
//
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:33:03am |
re: #318 darthstar
I think we should have state media stores (like some states do with liquor). You want to put a copy of that song on your iPod? Bring the unopened CD, a receipt that shows you have sole ownership of the iPod, and take a number…also, if you’ll sign this pledge to not play over external speakers? Thank you.
//
Lamest…dystopia…ever.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:34:31am |
re: #318 darthstar
I think we should have state media stores (like some states do with liquor). You want to put a copy of that song on your iPod? Bring the unopened CD, a receipt that shows you have sole ownership of the iPod, and take a number…also, if you’ll sign this pledge to not play over external speakers? Thank you.
//
What if I sing it in the shower?
What if I sing it badly in the shower?
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:34:48am |
re: #319 The Ghost of a Flea
Lamest…dystopia…ever.
You’re only allowed to hear it playing in your head. Easy once we started issuing the embedded chips upon birth.
Or simply install a set ready for implantation in the womb. Government wants active monitoring of that now as it is.
///
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:35:59am |
re: #318 darthstar
I think we should have state media stores (like some states do with liquor). You want to put a copy of that song on your iPod? Bring the unopened CD, a receipt that shows you have sole ownership of the iPod, and take a number…also, if you’ll sign this pledge to not play over external speakers? Thank you.
//
Only country and western allowed in Tennessee.
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:36:12am |
re: #320 EmmmieG
What if I sing it in the shower?
$10,000 fine per instance of singing.
What if I sing it badly in the shower?
The guys in black jumpsuits come through your ceiling and take you away to be tortured by a guy in a clown mask.
LAWBREAKERS WILL BE PUNISHED
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:36:29am |
re: #315 EmmmieG
Anyone who has ever bought an entire CD to discover that the song that they had already heard was the only good song on the album knows that the business model needs to change.
I didn’t buy a CD for a pretty long time after that—felt burned.
I have bought exactly one CD in my life. The rest of my music has been radio - either airwaves, or Internet radio.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:36:58am |
re: #321 oaktree
You’re only allowed to hear it playing in your head. Easy once we started issuing the embedded chips upon birth.
Or simply install a set ready for implantation in the womb. Government wants active monitoring of that now as it is.
///
Oh, look…she’s carrying a new iFetus
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:37:38am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:37:48am |
re: #323 iossarian
$10,000 fine per instance of singing.
The guys in black jumpsuits come through your ceiling and take you away to be tortured by a guy in a clown mask.LAWBREAKERS WILL BE PUNISHED
Brain bleach stat!
(Mental image of Sylvester Stallone in Judge Dredd outfit)
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iossarian Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:37:59am |
I accept that, if I were the owner of a CD-pressing factory, I would be pissed.
But such is life. The owners of ice distribution services were pissed when the fridge was invented too, but we didn’t pass laws banning fridges.
(Or did we?)
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:38:19am |
re: #320 EmmmieG
What if I sing it in the shower?
What if I sing it badly in the shower?
You’ll have to file for an exception down at the Department of the Spoken Word.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:39:25am |
re: #328 iossarian
I accept that, if I were the owner of a CD-pressing factory, I would be pissed.
But such is life. The owners of ice distribution services were pissed when the fridge was invented too, but we didn’t pass laws banning fridges.
(Or did we?)
Mr Kenmore got a visit from Guido and Nuncio.
“Nice factory you got here. Pity if something should happen to it.”
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:39:38am |
re: #328 iossarian
I accept that, if I were the owner of a CD-pressing factory, I would be pissed.
But such is life. The owners of ice distribution services were pissed when the fridge was invented too, but we didn’t pass laws banning fridges.
(Or did we?)
Sony v. Betamax.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:39:39am |
re: #328 iossarian
I accept that, if I were the owner of a CD-pressing factory, I would be pissed.
But such is life. The owners of ice distribution services were pissed when the fridge was invented too, but we didn’t pass laws banning fridges.
(Or did we?)
I just bought a drive-thru film drop franchise…got a great deal on it, too!
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:40:13am |
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:42:49am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:43:52am |
re: #334 darthstar
Didn’t Sony make Betamax? Good point all the same.
It was a Supreme Court case. Technically, the actual name is Sony v. Universal Studios, but it’s referred to as the “Betamax case” and I got the name wrong in the previous post.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:44:03am |
re: #334 darthstar
Didn’t Sony make Betamax? Good point all the same.
Oh, and where is the VHS tape industry now? Sucking on a Bud at the bar with 8-Track and Cassette probably.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:44:32am |
MPAA Blames Pumped-Up Student Piracy Stats on ‘Human Error’
Hollywood’s SOPA testimony links job loss to piracy
Perhaps Hollywood’s ‘problems’ are based on shitty movies and not piracy???
;)
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:45:01am |
re: #325 darthstar
Oh, look…she’s carrying a new iFetus
The problem with the iFetus is that you have to shell out for the iUmbilical, which doesn’t port with non-Apple uteri.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:46:43am |
re: #338 The Ghost of a Flea
The problem with the iFetus is that you have to shell out for the iUmbilical, which doesn’t port with non-Apple uteri.
But it’s more popular than the alternatives since the Win BIOS versions cause occasional grand mal seizures when a BSOD occurs and there is a need to force a reboot.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:46:46am |
re: #338 The Ghost of a Flea
The problem with the iFetus is that you have to shell out for the iUmbilical, which doesn’t port with non-Apple uteri.
I was just going to say something similar…well played.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:47:50am |
The entertainment and software industry has a bad habit of erroneously linking piracy to all of their woes while pushing for draconian restrictions.
They pushed for the DMCA.
They got it.
Gee, it didn’t stop piracy?
Ok, let’s block DNS ranges and make using an IP spoofer a crime.
That’ll surely work!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:48:13am |
re: #336 darthstar
Oh, and where is the VHS tape industry now? Sucking on a Bud at the bar with 8-Track and Cassette probably.
The one in my car works fine!
(although, I did have to buy a trailer to carry my 2 dozen cassettes!)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:48:33am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:49:17am |
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:49:22am |
Oh, this is fun. I’ll bet the entertainment industry loved hearing this:
Supreme Court justice: broadcast TV on “borrowed time,” so why worry about indecency?
The Supreme Court heard oral arguments today for FCC vs Fox Television Stations. The case pits the television networks against the Federal Communications Commission, the latter fighting for its right to regulate “fleeting” expletives and brief nude scenes on over-the-air TV. Cher and Nicole Richie star in the nearly eight year old legal drama, as do several actors from an episode of NYPD Blue.
One comment during questioning by Justice Samuel Alito caught our eye. It was directed at Carter Phillips, an attorney for Fox who wants the FCC’s stricter indecency rules struck down.
“Well, broadcast TV is living on borrowed time,” Alito declared. “It is not going to be long before it goes the way of vinyl records and 8 track tapes.”
“I hope that—I’m sure my client is not thrilled to have you say that,” Phillips responded.
“Well, I’m sure your clients will continue to make billions of dollars on their programs which are transmitted by cable and by satellite and by Internet,” Alito persisted. “So why not let this die a natural death? Or why do you want us to intervene?”
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:49:29am |
What the hell is it about the internet that makes us think we can steal stuff?
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:49:45am |
Talk about using a sledgehammer for brain surgery…
Sheesh.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:50:50am |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Nothing. It’s exactly analogous to making mix tapes or copying CDs for your friends, neither of which needed the internet.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:52:06am |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
What the hell is it about the internet that makes us think we can steal stuff?
I’m not arguing that we should be allowed to blatantly violate copyright. I do think copyright needs an overhaul to properly accommodate the role of multiple personal devices. I also think that current copyright moguls are completely overstepping their authority in the name of protecting their outmoded business models.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:52:07am |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
What the hell is it about the internet that makes us think we can steal stuff?
Is this a general statement or directed at anyone in particular?
I don’t condone piracy at all.
However!
All the proposed ‘solutions’ to it take a hammer to the internet and fuck it up in ways only China can dream of.
That’s the problem with SOPA and PIPA.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:52:15am |
re: #328 iossarian
I accept that, if I were the owner of a CD-pressing factory, I would be pissed.
But such is life. The owners of ice distribution services were pissed when the fridge was invented too, but we didn’t pass laws banning fridges.
(Or did we?)
If I owned a CD pressing factory, I’d try to find a way to re-purpose all that equipment and labor:
Blame the Internet: London’s burglars won’t even steal CDs, DVDs
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:54:02am |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
What the hell is it about the internet that makes us think we can steal stuff?
Theft is theft. However, when I buy a download, where can I use it? On how many of my own devices?
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:54:50am |
re: #350 Obdicut
Nothing. It’s exactly analogous to making mix tapes or copying CDs for your friends, neither of which needed the internet.
There’s a clip of a Congressman ripping apart a RIAA spokesman for saying that taking a song off the radio and putting it on his Ipod was piracy.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:55:24am |
re: #343 Varek Raith
The entertainment and software industry has a bad habit of erroneously linking piracy to all of their woes while pushing for draconian restrictions.
They pushed for the DMCA.
They got it.
Gee, it didn’t stop piracy?
Ok, let’s block DNS ranges and make using an IP spoofer a crime.
That’ll surely work!
Remember the anti-copy thing on VHS tapes? Worked great on anti-copy compatible devices!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:58:34am |
This album was recorded by a new female country group (which includes Miranda Lambert, one of my favorites).
Apparently, it isn’t even going to be released in a physical CD.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:58:40am |
re: #356 darthstar
Remember the anti-copy thing on VHS tapes? Worked great on anti-copy compatible devices!
Or the big floppies where you just had to cut a hole in the side, literally.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:59:08am |
re: #358 Obdicut
Or the big floppies where you just had to cut a hole in the side, literally.
The one that made me laugh was the CD copy protection that could be defeated by a permanent marker.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:59:37am |
Creators of media should have some protections and enforcement to make sure that their works of art are protected. The RIAA and others that have fought to extend copyright protections beyond the already previously extended limitations periods makes a mockery of the system.
Disney forced an extension of protections so that they could protect Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck for a little while longer, but that issue will come up once again as they near the new expiration date in a few years time.
Copyright doesn’t mean gaining profits in perpetuity. The public benefits from having works of art revert to the public domain after time; and it forces creators to, well, create new products. After all, Disney got to profit from public domain use of various fairy tales, and so too can other entities as the Disney copyrights expire.
As far as protecting music works of art, some artists have gone direct to public sales or offering free downloads of some works to entice others to buy other products. In some ways, itunes and downloads allow people to buy the stuff they like, rather than being forced to buy an entire CD from which only one song is worth listening to. There’s money to be made in the downloads too, and how the artists can monetize their works is an interesting development since its the recording industry that finds itself exposed as a middleman that can be completely avoided.
After all, someone could make a high quality recording in their basement and push it to the Net without any overhead (as in the cd/vinyl pressings), advertising, etc. That’s more worrisome to the recording industry than anything else, since if established artists move away from the recording industry as it is now, the cash cow dies with it. Instead of adjusting to the changed circumstances of the recording industry, they’re focusing on copyright violation as a savior to the industry, even though that’s not nearly the problem that it’s made out to be.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 8:59:40am |
re: #358 Obdicut
Or the big floppies where you just had to cut a hole in the side, literally.
My favorite were the old games that had you look at page 13, word 6 in the manual for the antipiracy code.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:00:02am |
Busy day for the cops in DC today:
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:00:24am |
re: #359 thedopefishlives
The one that made me laugh was the CD copy protection that could be defeated by a permanent marker.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:01:17am |
Okay folks…going to leave the thread in a nice healthy state. Me? I’m down with a flu bug on vacation. Going to feed the dogs then go get breakfast and maybe hit up the casinos for a couple hundred grand (or lose a hundred bucks, whichever comes first). Skied yesterday…mostly man made snow…I had to reset boundary ropes around some of the running snow guns. It’s like standing in front of a jet engine that is pelting you with ice particles. I had a 1/2 inch layer of ice on my helmet after about 20 minutes work. Good times.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:01:47am |
re: #362 NJDhockeyfan
Busy day for the cops in DC today:
one person has been arrested and charged with assault on a police officer.
Just like MLK!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:01:50am |
re: #360 lawhawk
I don’t know how you manage to take my thoughts and make them sound good, but bravo.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:03:04am |
And don’t even get me started on the Sony rootkit…
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
This is why I don’t trust them and their antipiracy schemes.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:03:34am |
re: #360 lawhawk
Copyright doesn’t mean gaining profits in perpetuity.
It does to the heirs of the lady who wrote the “Happy Birthday” song.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:03:38am |
re: #359 thedopefishlives
The one that made me laugh was the CD copy protection that could be defeated by a permanent marker.
A friend of mine was a music journalist for a while and she’d tell me stories about record companies trying to protect their music from reaching the internet too quickly by having music critics come to the major labels and listen to a new CD in a private room, on a portable CD player that was glued shut while security waited outside.
I thought that was hilarious and perfectly embodied just how out of their depth the labels are these days.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:04:01am |
re: #367 Varek Raith
And don’t even get me started on the Sony rootkit…
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]This is why I don’t trust them and their antipiracy schemes.
Sony has committed a number of crimes against their own customers. The rootkit is one. The ongoing PS3 class action suit about removing the “Other OS” functionality is another. I try not to have dealings with that company, when I can. They’re just plain stupid.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:04:23am |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
one person has been arrested and charged with assault on a police officer.
Just like MLK!
but,, But ,, Bruce brought balloons!!!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:04:58am |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
one person has been arrested and charged with assault on a police officer.
Just like MLK!
Hey, it’s just one person!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:05:04am |
re: #368 Alouette
It does to the heirs of the lady who wrote the “Happy Birthday” song.
I’ve never given her a cent!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:05:32am |
Attempted murder added to Occupy activist’s charges in Penny Flats fire case
Gilmore faces a total of seven counts, all felonies. The attempted murder counts, class 2 felonies, carry sentences on conviction of eight to 24 years in prison. The two arson and two criminal mischief counts are class 3 felonies, each with possible penalties of four to 12 years in prison.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:06:05am |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
What the hell is it about the internet that makes us think we can steal stuff?
Let’s not mix copyright infringement and stealing. Stealing is when one no longer has one’s precious.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:07:13am |
re: #373 sattv4u2
I’ve never given her a cent!
In 1935, “Happy Birthday to You” was copyrighted as a work for hire by Preston Ware Orem for the Summy Company, the publisher of “Good Morning to All”. A new company, Birch Tree Group Limited, was formed to protect and enforce the song’s copyright. In 1998,[10] the rights to “Happy Birthday to You” and its assets were sold to The Time-Warner Corporation. In March 2004, Warner Music Group was sold to a group of investors led by Edgar Bronfman Jr. The company continues to insist that one cannot sing the “Happy Birthday to You” lyrics for profit without paying royalties: in 2008, Warner collected about $5000 per day ($2 million per year) in royalties for the song.[1], pp. 4,68 This includes use in film, television, radio, anywhere open to the public, or even among a group where a substantial number of those in attendance are not family or friends of whoever is performing the song. For this reason, most restaurants or other public party venues will not allow their employees to perform the song in public, instead opting for other original songs or cheers in honor of the birthday celebrant.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:07:19am |
re: #361 Varek Raith
My favorite were the old games that had you look at page 13, word 6 in the manual for the antipiracy code.
Yeah, some of them didn’t even bother with ciphering their stuff. Sometimes it could be looked up with memory utilities.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:07:45am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:09:00am |
“Happy Birthday” has to be the lamest song ever!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:09:13am |
RaniaKhalek Rania Khalek
And so it beginsRT @JAMyerson: Dude arrested trying to rush Capitol. Chant: Occupy everything and never give it back. #J17 #occupycongress
Heh.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:11:57am |
re: #379 Alouette
“Happy Birthday” has to be the lamest song ever!
I actually don’t like it. Possibly because I’m supposed to sing it on a regular basis and I can’t carry a tune to save my life.
Really.
I mean it.
I’m not one of these people being overly modest and wanting people to tell me otherwise. I can’t sing.
Can’t we just sing the Beatles?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:12:57am |
re: #382 EmmmieG
I actually don’t like it. Possibly because I’m supposed to sing it on a regular basis and I can’t carry a tune to save my life.
Really.
I mean it.
I’m not one of these people being overly modest and wanting people to tell me otherwise. I can’t sing.
Can’t we just sing the Beatles?
With your voice, would it come out any better than Happy Birthday!?!?/
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:13:13am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:14:21am |
re: #382 EmmmieG
I actually don’t like it. Possibly because I’m supposed to sing it on a regular basis and I can’t carry a tune to save my life.
Really.
I mean it.
I’m not one of these people being overly modest and wanting people to tell me otherwise. I can’t sing.
Can’t we just sing the Beatles?
Ob La Di Ob La Da: Second Lamest Song Ever
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:14:23am |
re: #383 sattv4u2
The Beatles Birthday song only requires air guitar and enthusiasm.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:16:07am |
re: #386 Alouette
Ob La Di Ob La Da: Second Lamest Song Ever
Can’t be. You have that Miss Piggy look alike video and the Finnish video ahead of it.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:18:22am |
re: #375 Sergey Romanov
Let’s not mix copyright infringement and stealing. Stealing is when one no longer has one’s precious.
Remember this?
Judge bans DVD X Copy software
DVD duplication software maker 321 Studios has been given seven days to stop selling its controversial DVD X Copy family of utilities, a US federal judge has ruled.
The ruling follows legal action brought against the developer by MGM Studios, Tristar Pictures, Columbia Pictures, Time Warner Entertainment, Disney, Universal City Studios and The Saul Zaentz Company last May. The movie companies alleged 321’s product violated the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
US District Judge Susan Illston, delivering her verdict on Friday, agreed - and formally banned 321 form manufacturing, distributing or otherwise trafficking in the DVD X Copy series.
I still have a copy of that on one of my old computers currently collecting dust in the attic.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:18:58am |
re: #388 EmmmieG
Can’t be. You have that Miss Piggy look alike video and the Finnish video ahead of it.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:20:23am |
Actually that Finnish “Star Trek” conga line video has achieved some cult status.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:20:39am |
re: #381 Varek Raith
And yet, he says this:
Romney Claims He’s ‘Not Worried About The Rich,’ But Wants To Cut Their Taxes By One-Third
ROMNEY: I would like 25 percent, but right now it’s at 35, so people better pay what is legally required. But ultimately let’s get it down to as low as we possibly can, if it’s 20, if it’s 25, but paying more than 25 percent, I think, is taking too much out of our pockets.
BAIER: So the highest you had was 35?
ROMNEY: Well, that’s what the law is right now, but 25 is where I would like to see us go.
By his own math, he’d have a 10% tax hike.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:21:32am |
re: #390 Alouette
If you check the titles on the one, she self-published.
Sometimes, the publishers are wrong—think Harry Potter.
Sometimes they are dead right.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:22:08am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:22:26am |
re: #392 Lidane
And yet, he says this:
Romney Claims He’s ‘Not Worried About The Rich,’ But Wants To Cut Their Taxes By One-Third
By his own math, he’d have a 10% tax hike.
No, because his income would still be mostly capital gains.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:23:17am |
re: #392 Lidane
This is actually the worst part of that for me:
During the same press conference, Romney said that he only makes some income from speaker’s fees, “but not very much,” which is money that would be taxed at normal income tax rates. From Feb. 2010 to Feb. 2011, Romney earned $362,000 in speaker’s fees.
I know relative to his wealth, that’s not very much, but it does show how classically out of touch he is that he can describe it that way.
And that’s not a full-time job. That’s probably like a total of a month’s work, if that.
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Sionainn Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:25:10am |
re: #397 Obdicut
This is actually the worst part of that for me:
I know relative to his wealth, that’s not very much, but it does show how classically out of touch he is that he can describe it that way.
And that’s not a full-time job. That’s probably like a total of a month’s work, if that.
It would take me 12 years to make that.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:26:08am |
re: #397 Obdicut
This is actually the worst part of that for me:
I know relative to his wealth, that’s not very much, but it does show how classically out of touch he is that he can describe it that way.
And that’s not a full-time job. That’s probably like a total of a month’s work, if that.
I don’t know anyone who would take less than two years to earn that much.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:26:27am |
re: #384 Killgore Trout
I think MLK rushed the Capitol after his “I have a dream” speech.
WTF does “MLK” have to do with anything?
He did utter a few more words than just “I have a dream”, btw.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:27:51am |
Ow. Ow. Ow.
My jaw has been hurting all night. WTF. It was so bad that I took Tylenol last night and again this morning and it’s had zero effect. I’ve had next to no sleep, I feel like the right side of my face is on fire, and I have class this afternoon.
This is going to be an adventure.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:28:49am |
re: #401 Lidane
That’s bad. Happened before?
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:30:47am |
re: #402 Sergey Romanov
That’s bad. Happened before?
It’s wisdom tooth pain. I went for years without them ever being an issue, so I never had them removed. Now they decide to be a problem. I’m already calling my dentist. Ow.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:31:53am |
re: #405 Lidane
It’s wisdom tooth pain. I went for years without them ever being an issue, so I never had them removed. Now they decide to be a problem. I’m already calling my dentist. Ow.
Here’s a pair of pliers.
And some vodka.
Drink it first.
:P
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Lidane Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:33:18am |
At least I can get through today knowing that Rick Perry wouldn’t even win the Texas primary:
Romney, Dewhurst lead in Texas
Rick Perry’s Presidential campaign is doing about as bad in Texas now as it is everywhere else in the country. When PPP last polled the state in September he was at 49%, leading Mitt Romney by 39 points. Now Perry’s support has declined by 31 points, leaving him in 3rd place at 18%. Mitt Romney at 24% and Newt Gingrich at 23% lead the way with Rick Santorum at 15%, Ron Paul at 12%, and Buddy Roemer at 0% rounding out the field behind Perry.
What might be most shocking on this poll is that Romney edges Perry 46-45 if Republican voters had to pick just between the two of them. When we asked that identical question four monhs ago Perry led Romney 72-18. There’s been a 55 point shift in Romney’s direction.
It’s not just that Texas Republicans are no longer planning to vote for Perry- a lot of them even feel that Perry’s candidacy has hurt Texas’ image. 39% of GOP voters think his candidacy has been a negative for perceptions of the state, while only 13% believe it’s been a positive. By comparison just 28% of primary voters believe Ron Paul’s campaign has been bad for the state’s image to 19% who believe it’s been a positive.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:33:47am |
re: #406 Varek Raith
Here’s a pair of pliers.
And some vodka.
Drink it first.
:P
“Succint and silly” - you succeed!
//
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:33:48am |
Yikes, seems Snyder is about to use his financial emergency law to take over Detroit.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:35:22am |
jane1Karma: 0
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Some shells are really tough to break through.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:38:39am |
re: #350 Obdicut
Sometimes yes often a big no. Pirate bay copies of Photoshop or Premiere that one downloads is stolen intellectual property. People seem to separate stealing physical items and intellectual property. I do not appreciate the false moral distinction.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:38:46am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:38:48am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:39:59am |
Massive popular uprising!
Image: crowd3_606.jpg
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:40:23am |
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Randall Gross Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:40:32am |
re: #409 Varek Raith
Yikes, seems Snyder is about to use his financial emergency law to take over Detroit.
Wait a minute, I distinctly remember that Snyder got eaten by Mayor Wilkins [aka Olvikan, the giant snake demon] at the end of season three. Is this a Snyder zombie?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:40:35am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
Occupy DC…
At least he’s not wearing pantaloons.
“aww mom,, I KNOW if I get a running start off the garage roof I can fly!!!”
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:40:54am |
re: #415 wrenchwench
Pre-hatchling still in the shell. Coming up on three years.
Yes,, but how did you find it?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:41:58am |
re: #414 Killgore Trout
Massive popular uprising!
Image: crowd3_606.jpg
The big crowd left because Bruce ran out of balloons!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:42:31am |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:42:46am |
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:43:23am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:45:01am |
re: #421 wrenchwench
I was watching the Spy when she logged in.
Oh you and your fancy schmancy spy!
(I’m lucky if I can find my way into a current thread)
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:45:38am |
re: #411 Rightwingconspirator
Sometimes yes often a big no. Pirate bay copies of Photoshop or Premiere that one downloads is stolen intellectual property. People seem to separate stealing physical items and intellectual property. I do not appreciate the false moral distinction.
There’s a real distinction. You steal someone’s ashtray, they no longer have an ashtray. If you steal a copy of a BMP image of an ashtray, they still have the ashtray.
There is a real separation. It doesn’t mean that stealing intellectual property is therefore A-OK, but people are perfectly right to draw the distinction between depriving someone of something and not doing so.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:45:41am |
re: #411 Rightwingconspirator
Sometimes yes often a big no. Pirate bay copies of Photoshop or Premiere that one downloads is stolen intellectual property. People seem to separate stealing physical items and intellectual property. I do not appreciate the false moral distinction.
Programmers built some very nasty “Easter eggs” into improperly activated software. “6 Hilarious Ways Game Designers are Screwing with Pirates” (it’s at Cracked.com which is firewalled here)
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:45:48am |
Agh I hate dealing with Ron Paul fans. Someone in a facebook political group some college friends started said something like MLK should have shut up about economics issue because he was unqualified to talk about it. So I pointed out that Paul is treated like an economics guru even though he’s got no educational background in economics. And Paul supporter puts words in my mouth insinuating I called him crazy. Rant end. Afternoon people.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:46:15am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:47:10am |
re: #426 HappyWarrior
some college friends started said something like MLK should have shut up about economics issue because he was unqualified to talk about it.
Lol no doubt that is someone unqualified to talk about “MLK” beyond saying the three initials.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:47:19am |
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albusteve Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:48:48am |
IDF preparing for major Gaza action within months
Concern growing over anti-tank missile smuggling into Strip; senior officer says Hamas, Islamic Jihad have increased weaponry.
deja vu all over again…
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:49:19am |
re: #429 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol no doubt that is someone unqualified to talk about “MLK” beyond saying the three initials.
Yeah, my friend posted an article about MLK’s involvement in the fight for economic justice and someone I assume one of our economics majors given GMU’s reputation having some very Austrian school professors said that. I also pointed out that people talk about issues they’re “unqualified” to talk about all the time. And frankly given the poverty of the times, I think he wa qualified to talk about it. There was a reason why Lyndon Johnson declared a war on poverty.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:49:41am |
I some how duplicated my post. Thanks for the edit button.
Random fun fact: Calvin Coolidge liked to have his head massaged with vaseline while he ate cereal.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:50:11am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
Occupy DC…
At least he’s not wearing pantaloons.
They have their own superhero?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:52:06am |
re: #433 Obdicut
I some how duplicated my post. Thanks for the edit button.
Random fun fact: Calvin Coolidge liked to have his head massaged with vaseline while he ate cereal.
Creepy. He was an odd guy. Sure you know the old story.
“Mr. President, the secretaries and I have a bet that we can get more than four words out of you.”
“You lose.”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:52:34am |
re: #433 Obdicut
I guess my distinction is: Did you take something for which you were expected to pay?
Once when I was photoshopping a photograph for a family calendar, I took a picture of a shoe from a department store website. They weren’t selling pictures of shoes, they were selling shoes. They weren’t expecting to make money from the picture of the shoe in the catalog, at least not directly.
Now, when I used images, I bought a royalty-free disk, or bought a postcard, scanned it, then threw it away, because the user expected to make money from the image itself.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:53:48am |
re: #432 HappyWarrior
There was a reason why Lyndon Johnson declared a war on poverty.
The wars over
Poverty won!!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:55:07am |
re: #437 sattv4u2
There was a reason why Lyndon Johnson declared a war on poverty.
The wars over
Poverty won!!
Ha- reminds me of the old Onion headline- Drugs Win War on Drugs.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:57:56am |
re: #432 HappyWarrior
“Unqualified” is one of my favorite con clichés to throw at minorities. Typically, the ones wielding it the loudest are exactly the types ready to lecture everyone else on all our ills after putting a search term in Google and clicking the first result they find.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:01:31am |
re: #439 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
“Unqualified” is one of my favorite con clichés to throw at minorities. Typically, the ones wielding it the loudest are exactly the types ready to lecture everyone else on all our ills after putting a search term in Google and clicking the first result they find.
Our economics majors and I’ve counted some of them as friends are oblivious to the world outside of laissez-faire economics. I don’t think the guy was a racial bigot. But that statement was ignorant.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:03:26am |
re: #440 HappyWarrior
Our economics majors and I’ve counted some of them as friends are oblivious to the world outside of laissez-faire economics. I don’t think the guy was a racial bigot. But that statement was ignorant.
Oh, that was just a general comment about the use of the word “unqualified”. Who knows about the specific speaker, he may be a racial bigot or not, doesn’t really matter. lol if so, he would not be the first.
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