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1 Kragarghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:05:12pm
Eros: Well, as long as they can think - we’ll have our problems.

If the current GOP is any indication, they've moved on to Plan 10

2 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:06:43pm

Reminds me of Adlai Stevenson.
Woman: Mr Stevenson, why you'd get the vote of every thinking man and woman in this country.
Adlai: Why thank you madam but I need a majority of votes.

3 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:39:28pm

Speaking of SciFi-A shameless page plug if I may. This is the labor of love keeping several people up late.

Too late I gotta get to bed!

4 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:47:10pm

Wikipedia has not blocked 2 pages:

The one for SOPA and the one for PIPA.

5 Kragarghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:48:06pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Reminds me of Adlai Stevenson.
Woman: Mr Stevenson, why you'd get the vote of every thinking man and woman in this country.
Adlai: Why thank you madam but I need a majority of votes.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
- George Carlin

6 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:49:54pm

Watching tonight's Daily Show and really wishing that more people would pay attention to how they're mocking the mechanisms behind super pacs.

7 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:04:27pm

re: #4 ProLifeLiberal

Wikipedia has not blocked 2 pages:

The one for SOPA and the one for PIPA.

I guarantee that Wikipedia's blackout as is much an egotrip by Jimmy Wales as it is a stand against this (bad) proposed legislation.

From what I've heard about Wales, his ego is Assange-sized.

8 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:12:14pm

Interestingly enough, the mobile version of wiki works just fine. I can get to it with my tablet.

9 Kragarghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:14:03pm

re: #8 JasonA

Interestingly enough, the mobile version of wiki works just fine. I can get to it with my tablet.

I'm in it just fine

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:15:56pm

re: #8 JasonA

Interestingly enough, the mobile version of wiki works just fine. I can get to it with my tablet.

Probably because it simply doesn't use Javascript. I disabled JS in one browser and can use wiki just fine.

11 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:16:42pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It redirects me right to the blackout page when I try on the pc.

12 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:16:59pm

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

Probably because it simply doesn't use Javascript. I disabled JS in one browser and can use wiki just fine.

Ah.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:17:32pm

They can't even do the blackout right, lol.

14 Kragarghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:17:34pm

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

Probably because it simply doesn't use Javascript. I disabled JS in one browser and can use wiki just fine.

Must be it, I've got some script protection running

15 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:20:42pm

standing ovation

GINGRICH:
I’m going to continue to find ways to help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn some day to own the job.

newt gingrich has been finding ways to help poor people learn how to get a job?

i'm so sure

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:20:58pm

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

They can't even do the blackout right, lol.

I take that back.

Is it still possible to access Wikipedia in any way?
The Wikipedia community, as part of their request to the Wikimedia Foundation to carry out this protest, asked us to ensure that we make English Wikipedia accessible in some way during an emergency. The English Wikipedia will be accessible on mobile devices and smart phones. Because the protest message is powered by JavaScript, it's also possible to view Wikipedia by completely disabling JavaScript in your browser.

17 Kragarghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:24:41pm

This day in history, Jan 18, 1943 - World War II: As part of Operation Iskra, the Soviet Red Army broke the Siege of Leningrad, opening a narrow land corridor to the city.

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:25:17pm

ahahahahaahahahah

19 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:26:18pm

Which isn't to say that racism has been completely eradicated. It lives on in the minds of liberals who see Bull Connor when they look at Ozzie Nelson.

thank you, wall st journal

oh, excuse me - i meant 'fuck you'. sorry about that...

20 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:30:17pm

re: #19 engineer dog

Teh White Man is being persimacuted.

21 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:34:24pm

re: #15 engineer dog

standing ovation

GINGRICH:
I’m going to continue to find ways to help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn some day to own the job.

newt gingrich has been finding ways to help poor people learn how to get a job?

i'm so sure

Yeah, that's what his job as a historian was. Seriously can one get more full of himself than Newt?

22 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:35:38pm

re: #20 Jimmi the Grey

the quote is from an editorial about gingrich's standing ovation last night, entitled "why they stood and cheered". i thought it might shed some light on why gingrich thinks he can claim to have been helping people get a job, which if he has it would be a big surprise to me

what i ended up reading, however, seemed to be a demonstration of the manifestations of attention deficit disorder as applied to prose

23 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:35:39pm

re: #19 engineer dog

Which isn't to say that racism has been completely eradicated. It lives on in the minds of liberals who see Bull Connor when they look at Ozzie Nelson.

thank you, wall st journal

oh, excuse me - i meant 'fuck you'. sorry about that...

Who the hell is Ozzie Nelson? I am sick of right wing assholes telling me I think a certain way because I am a liberal. Oh, you're a liberal, you must hate the military, think you should get a handout, blah blah.

24 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:36:29pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that's what his job as a historian was. Seriously can one get more full of himself than Newt?

definitely not possible. this has been shown by charts and graphs

25 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:37:06pm

re: #24 engineer dog

definitely not possible. this has been shown by charts and graphs

Yeah didn't think so. Seriously and this clown has the nerve to call Obama a narcissist. Hypocrisy thy name is Gingrich.

26 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:39:19pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Who the hell is Ozzie Nelson? I am sick of right wing assholes telling me I think a certain way because I am a liberal. Oh, you're a liberal, you must hate the military, think you should get a handout, blah blah.

when arguing with dittoheads, often i never got any farther than, "no, actually, i don't believe that. and no, actually i don't believe that, either"

27 Kragarghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:40:33pm

Apropos of nothing, Sean Pertwee is an under appreciated actor

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:41:12pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apropos of nothing, Sean Pertwee is an under appreciated actor

Good thing I turned off Javascript. /

29 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:41:40pm

re: #22 engineer dog

the quote is from an editorial about gingrich's standing ovation last night, entitled "why they stood and cheered". i thought it might shed some light on why gingrich thinks he can claim to have been helping people get a job, which if he has it would be a big surprise to me

what i ended up reading, however, seemed to be a demonstration of the manifestations of attention deficit disorder as applied to prose

It was also a cheap fucking shot of a false meme.

30 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:43:05pm

re: #26 engineer dog

when arguing with dittoheads, often i never got any farther than, "no, actually, i don't believe that. and no, actually i don't believe that, either"

I am usually more amused by it honestly but I cringe when I hear a supposely intellectual newspaper, the WST claiming that liberals think a certain way about someone your average liberal probably hasn't even heard of. It may shock some conservatives but liberals are capable of working hard, loving their families, being self reliant, etc. We just don't believe that blaming the government for all the country's problems is true.

31 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 17, 2012 11:48:40pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

I am usually more amused by it honestly but I cringe when I hear a supposely intellectual newspaper, the WST claiming that liberals think a certain way about someone your average liberal probably hasn't even heard of. It may shock some conservatives but liberals are capable of working hard, loving their families, being self reliant, etc. We just don't believe that blaming the government for all the country's problems is true.

wsj - excellent news reporting, moronic editorial page

32 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:02:52am

British archaeologist destroys Holocaust deniers' argument with mass grave find at Treblinka

A British forensic archaeologist has unearthed fresh evidence to prove the existence of mass graves at the Nazi death camp Treblinka - scuppering the claims of Holocaust deniers who say it was merely a transit camp.

Some 800,000 Jews were killed at the site, in north east Poland, during the Second World War but a lack of physical evidence in the area has been exploited by Holocaust deniers.

Forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls has now undertaken the first co-ordinated scientific attempt to locate the graves.

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:23:29am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It has already happened at Belzec, Sobibor and Chelmno. You might imagine the deniers weren't impressed in the least.

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:24:33am

Also, there wasn't a lack of physical evidence. Soviets and Poles found a lot of human remains at the site.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:28:12am

And the photo in the article isn't from Treblinka (there are no such explicit photos of Treblinka victims). It's from Mizoch. But of course, journalists...

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:30:50am

From DailyMail comments:

This is blatant anti-European bias at work.
- Mark, USA, 17/1/2012 21:19


It still does not prove exactly how many died. It could be 100,000, and not 800,000. Or, it could be a million. The fact is, we don't know. Personally, I believe that even if it was "just" 1 person who died, that is 1 person too many. But what I don't like is the fact we're meant to believe the 6 million figure and are not allowed to question it's accuracy.
- FreeThinker, UK, 17/1/2012 21:47

37 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:33:30am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apropos of nothing, Sean Pertwee is an under appreciated actor

Is he related to the guy who played an early manifestation of Dr Who?

38 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:36:20am

It looks like some Egyptians are fighting against the Salafis.

Sandmonkey Mahmoud Salem
Filing lawsuits against salafi sheikh borhamy and co right now, for disdain of the christian religion. ;)

Go Sandmonkey Go!

39 Kragarghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:36:28am

re: #37 ralphieboy

Is he related to the guy who played an early manifestation of Dr Who?

His son.

40 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:45:59am

Does he have a pert wee?

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 12:48:38am

re: #19 engineer dog

Which isn't to say that racism has been completely eradicated. It lives on in the minds of liberals who see Bull Connor when they look at Ozzie Nelson.

thank you, wall st journal

oh, excuse me - i meant 'fuck you'. sorry about that...

I'm supposed to have a problem with Ozzie Nelson?

42 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 1:02:01am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm supposed to have a problem with Ozzie Nelson?

you have to - how else can we make all minorities dependent on government handouts?

43 researchok  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 1:56:13am

Morning, all

44 freetoken  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:13:57am

Faure's Les Roses d`Ispahan :

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:41:14am

re: #34 Sergey Romanov

Also, there wasn't a lack of physical evidence. Soviets and Poles found a lot of human remains at the site.

Holocaust deniers are like flat earthers, no amount of evidence will intellectually shift their argument, because it's not about evidence, it's about hate and crazy

46 researchok  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:45:53am

re: #45 WindUpBird

And Troofers.

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:47:39am

re: #46 researchok

And Troofers.

OMG GUYS I SAW TEH LOOES CHANGE

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:50:41am

re: #46 researchok

I do make a distinction between "let's drink too much and talk about zany conspiracy theories at 3 am" truthers, which I am friends with and politely disagree with, and "let's make websites and manifestos and demand investigations and intellectually attempt to defend this" truthers, who are the sorts of people who drink their own bathwater

49 researchok  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:52:43am

Fair point.

The former offer up mindless time wasting.

The latter are deliberately mean spirited SOB's- at the least.

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:52:50am

re: #46 researchok

much the same way that I am friends with Ron Paul guys, who are sorta Into Freaking Out About The Fed, but really they're self-employed artists who are politically and socially as disengaged as someone can be

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:54:53am

re: #49 researchok

Fair point.

The former offer up mindless time wasting.

The latter are deliberately mean spirited SOB's- at the least.

it's not mindless, it's creative! many a novel has been written on the altar of "what if?!?!?" Certainly Art bell's entire career

And really, I never consider a good drunken conversation to be a waste of time ^_^ But it ain't facts, it's bar talk, it's shooting the shit

52 researchok  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:55:54am

re: #50 WindUpBird

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I'm actually enjoying watching Paul's swan dive into irrelevance.

And I'm not overly upset about the lunatics he's taking with him. They be around in another incarnation, of course. For them, it's about the spotlight and not substance.

53 researchok  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:57:36am

re: #51 WindUpBird

it's not mindless, it's creative! many a novel has been written on the altar of "what if?!?!?" Certainly Art bell's entire career

And really, I never consider a good drunken conversation to be a waste of time ^_^ But it ain't facts, it's bar talk, it's shooting the shit

Good point on Art Bell.

We ought to go out and get loaded one day. Seriously. We've had some pretty good exchanges.

54 researchok  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:58:45am

It's that time.

Later, all you godless heathens.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:59:16am

re: #52 researchok

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I'm actually enjoying watching Paul's swan dive into irrelevance.

And I'm not overly upset about the lunatics he's taking with him. They be around in another incarnation, of course. For them, it's about the spotlight and not substance.

Ron Paul is sorta going both ways at once

if he were a band, he'd be the band with the cult following who fills clubs for decades because of the notorious word of mouth and never gets on the radio or sells a lot of records.

but his ideas aren't going away, he has a kid who's a senator who's young, cute, and repeats the psycho orthodoxy word for word. RP will live to 90 and Rand Paul will be running for president the way Buchanan did, going nowhere but always extracting a living

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 2:59:34am

re: #53 researchok

Good point on Art Bell.

We ought to go out and get loaded one day. Seriously. We've had some pretty good exchanges.

if you're ever in Portland, I know this karaoke joint... ;-)

57 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:28:28am

Morning Lizards. Hey WUB, has the storm hit you yet?

58 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:32:06am

re: #48 WindUpBird

I do make a distinction between "let's drink too much and talk about zany conspiracy theories at 3 am" truthers, which I am friends with and politely disagree with, and "let's make websites and manifestos and demand investigations and intellectually attempt to defend this" truthers, who are the sorts of people who drink their own bathwater

...after they have farted through it

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:35:40am

re: #57 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. Hey WUB, has the storm hit you yet?

you mean the snow I was driving around in a couple hours ago? :D

60 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:40:07am

Yep. We are expecting the first one to hit us this afternoon. They are predicting up to 1 inch per hour here in the Magic Valley

61 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:44:09am

Holy shit. I just finally read what the stupid SOPA and PIPA acts would do.

It'd block DNS lookup, but you could still go there by just manually typing in the IP address.

That's like trying to prevent people from robbing banks by removing their addresses from the phone book.

62 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:46:51am

It's been cold enough to snow here in Germany, but no clouds, just freezing fog. Tomorrow it will warm up to just above freezing and rain and sleet all over us...

63 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:51:13am

Morning All, Happy Blackout Day!

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:55:37am

re: #63 RogueOne

I like the Scorpions

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:56:47am

re: #61 Obdicut

Holy shit. I just finally read what the stupid SOPA and PIPA acts would do.

It'd block DNS lookup, but you could still go there by just manually typing in the IP address.

That's like trying to prevent people from robbing banks by removing their addresses from the phone book.

i know rite?

66 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:57:44am

re: #61 Obdicut

Holy shit. I just finally read what the stupid SOPA and PIPA acts would do.

It'd block DNS lookup, but you could still go there by just manually typing in the IP address.

That's like trying to prevent people from robbing banks by removing their addresses from the phone book.

Yep.
It's the dumbest legislation I've read in a while.
Not too mention completely ineffective against anyone who has a bit of knowledge of the internet.
It only serves to hurt honest people.
Sheesh.

67 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:58:10am

re: #64 WindUpBird

I like the Scorpions

I got to see them once in the late 80's. One of my fav songs:
The Zoo

68 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 3:59:25am

re: #66 Varek Raith

I'll freely admit I've 'pirated' games-- games that i already own. Why? Because the fucking DRM on the 'real' game was so intrusive that it fucked up my system, like goddamn Starforce. In those cases, I'd buy the real game for the serial key and download the cracked copy so I didn't have to deal with crappy DRM software fingering my computer's delicate privates.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:06:31am

re: #68 Obdicut

I'll freely admit I've 'pirated' games-- games that i already own. Why? Because the fucking DRM on the 'real' game was so intrusive that it fucked up my system, like goddamn Starforce. In those cases, I'd buy the real game for the serial key and download the cracked copy so I didn't have to deal with crappy DRM software fingering my computer's delicate privates.

the future is xbox

70 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:08:54am

re: #69 WindUpBird

the future is xbox

No.
My favorite genre isn't even released on the xbox.
4x games. Also, games like Fallout and The Elder Scrolls series are short lived without the awesome mods I can get.
:P

Oh, and how goes the weather?

71 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:09:42am

re: #66 Varek Raith

It only serves to hurt honest people.
Sheesh.

You have just described what most legislation is about, especially tax legislation

72 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:10:00am

re: #68 Obdicut

I'll freely admit I've 'pirated' games-- games that i already own. Why? Because the fucking DRM on the 'real' game was so intrusive that it fucked up my system, like goddamn Starforce. In those cases, I'd buy the real game for the serial key and download the cracked copy so I didn't have to deal with crappy DRM software fingering my computer's delicate privates.

Oh god starforce.

73 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:10:02am

How to Write a Clichéd, Unpersuasive Argument Against Drug Legalization
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This piece by Manon McKinnon at The American Spectator is so perfect an exhibit in pompous drug war cheerleading that one can construct a fairly comprehensive crash course in bad drug policy writing based entirely upon its contents. Let's take a moment to review some of the tactics on display here, which may go a long way towards illustrating why modern drug war apologists have been losing traction in the growing public debate over American drug policy.

Step 1: Attempt to marginalize supporters of drug policy reform by claiming they are "pot heads."
...
Step 3: Insist confidently -- but without citation -- that no one actually gets in serious trouble for personal use.
....
Step 5: Compare regulating drugs to legalizing rape.

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:11:50am

re: #70 Varek Raith

No.
My favorite genre isn't even released on the xbox.
4x games. Also, games like Fallout and The Elder Scrolls series are short lived without the awesome mods I can get.
:P

Oh, and how goes the weather?

snowy! And fun to drive in

I feel you on 4x (and Steam is a thing that works pretty well for strategy games) but I think the game-modder market is not making anyone a fortune

75 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:14:02am

re: #55 WindUpBird

but his ideas aren't going away, he has a kid who's a senator who's young, cute, and repeats the psycho orthodoxy word for word.

But he has nasty Lyle Lovett hair, without Lovett's charm.

Image: lyle-lovett.jpg

Image: rand_paul_thumb.jpg

76 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:14:05am

re: #74 WindUpBird

snowy! And fun to drive in

I feel you on 4x (and Steam is a thing that works pretty well for strategy games) but I think the game-modder market is not making anyone a fortune

True dat.
I'm just feeling like an old guy yelling at the cloud of change.
:P

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:14:13am

re: #70 Varek Raith

what probably needs to happen is a cloud system for games, where the game cannot be pirated because the game is being installed remotely on the dev's cloud servers, and the player just opens a port

78 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:15:08am

re: #70 Varek Raith

No.
My favorite genre isn't even released on the xbox.
4x games. Also, games like Fallout and The Elder Scrolls series are short lived without the awesome mods I can get.
:P

Oh, and how goes the weather?

Good Morning Honcos!

Also, Skyrim is gaming crack.

79 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:16:03am

This game is awesome.
[Link: www.matrixgames.com...]

80 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:16:18am

re: #78 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Honcos!

Also, Skyrim is gaming crack.

I bought MW 3 and haven't played it because of the all-consuming Skyrim.

81 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:16:43am

re: #73 RogueOne

How to Write a Clichéd, Unpersuasive Argument Against Drug Legalization
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Good grief!

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:17:00am

re: #76 Varek Raith

True dat.
I'm just feeling like an old guy yelling at the cloud of change.
:P

i have literally played one video game seriously in the last year (DX:HR) past that, I just read a lot and listen to weird music, games are too much work, Skyrim is WAY too much work for me to play now

the firaxis X-Com, I'll play that :D

83 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:17:40am

re: #82 WindUpBird

i have literally played one video game seriously in the last year (DX:HR) past that, I just read a lot and listen to weird music, games are too much work, Skyrim is WAY too much work for me to play now

the firaxis X-Com, I'll play that :D

I'm eagerly awaiting that one.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:19:06am

re: #83 Varek Raith

I'm eagerly awaiting that one.

if there's any dev i'd give that gig to, it's either them or brian reynold's dev team

85 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:19:44am

re: #81 Varek Raith

Good grief!

I like how the anti-legalization arguments always comes back to rape.

86 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:20:23am

re: #85 RogueOne

A callback to Hearst, who first whipped up fear of marijuana by writing stories about crazed Mexicans raping white women.

87 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:20:47am

re: #86 Obdicut

A callback to Hearst, who first whipped up fear of marijuana by writing stories about crazed Mexicans raping white women.

REEFER MADNESS!!!!

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:22:15am

re: #85 RogueOne

I like how the anti-legalization arguments always comes back to rape.

if that were a valid argument, weed would be 20 bucks an ounce and booze would be a felony to possess :D

89 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:23:09am
90 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:23:14am

re: #82 WindUpBird

i have literally played one video game seriously in the last year (DX:HR) past that, I just read a lot and listen to weird music, games are too much work, Skyrim is WAY too much work for me to play now

the firaxis X-Com, I'll play that :D

Same, I haven't had time all year to play anything. I have a couple months slow time coming so last weekish I picked up a few games I'd missed this year and have played maybe a total of 1 hour in 10 days.

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:24:05am

re: #90 RogueOne

Same, I haven't had time all year to play anything. I have a couple months slow time coming so last weekish I picked up a few games I'd missed this year and have played maybe a total of 1 hour in 10 days.

gaming is a young man's game XD

92 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:24:41am

re: #88 WindUpBird

if that were a valid argument, weed would be 20 bucks an ounce and booze would be a felony to possess :D

Don't give them any ideas. Jagermeister will get classified as a date rape drug.

93 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:25:51am

re: #91 WindUpBird

gaming is a young man's game XD

Please.
In 50 years my grand kids will be saying this;

"Mom! Gramps won't stop calling us newbs!"

94 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:26:32am

re: #92 RogueOne

Don't give them any ideas. Jagermeister Vicks 44 will get classified as a date rape drug.

Fixd

95 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:27:50am

re: #91 WindUpBird

gaming is a young man's game XD

This really hit home for me a couple years ago when I was playing COD4 and made the mistake of turner on my microphone. I had 10 year olds cussing me out for my lack of skills and assuming I was 6. I was actually 41...

96 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:30:23am

re: #95 rwdflynavy

TF2 dudes are always surprised that I'm in my 30s.

I don't think the FPS skills gained by being a tester at EA for Battlefield 1942 are ever going to go away.

But there's no way I could even begin to compete in a game like Starcraft, online.

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:30:29am

re: #93 Varek Raith

Please.
In 50 years my grand kids will be saying this;

"Mom! Gramps won't stop calling us newbs!"

i have left it for other pastures, the biggest problem is that gaming takes me out of productivity and I 'm self-employed

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:30:51am

re: #96 Obdicut

TF2 dudes are always surprised that I'm in my 30s.

I don't think the FPS skills gained by being a tester at EA for Battlefield 1942 are ever going to go away.

WSAD

99 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:31:30am

re: #97 WindUpBird

i have left it for other pastures, the biggest problem is that gaming takes me out of productivity and I 'm self-employed

Heh, being your own boss has its disadvantages.
;)

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:33:15am

re: #99 Varek Raith

Heh, being your own boss has its disadvantages.
;)

The problem with being your own boss is relaxation itself becomes a cost-benefit analysis

and so thus when i relax, i want to relax with passive entertainment (music, food) as opposed to active entertainment (games)

101 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:34:08am

re: #100 WindUpBird

I can get a lot of good thinking done while I'm playing a game. Especially FPS. It's kind of relaxing. It's like a nice walk in the woods, only you're shooting people in the face.

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:36:20am

re: #101 Obdicut

I can get a lot of good thinking done while I'm playing a game. Especially FPS. It's kind of relaxing. It's like a nice walk in the woods, only you're shooting people in the face.

businesswise, I can't think without drawing *_*

I still play games, occasionally, but it tends to be arcade games in bars at this point, because if I'm at a pub that has a cocktail machine with Mighty Bomb Jack, I'm gonna have to play that

103 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:37:18am

re: #100 WindUpBird

I know exactly what you mean. Just 2 years ago I was still doing a lot of gaming. Now I'd rather sit and be still when I get free time.

104 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:37:25am

re: #96 Obdicut

TF2 dudes are always surprised that I'm in my 30s.

I don't think the FPS skills gained by being a tester at EA for Battlefield 1942 are ever going to go away.

But there's no way I could even begin to compete in a game like Starcraft, online.

Unfortunately, my "skills" from playing too much Castle Wolfenstein 3D and the original DOOM games doesn't help me much today...

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:39:16am

re: #103 RogueOne

I know exactly what you mean. Just 2 years ago I was still doing a lot of gaming. Now I'd rather sit and be still when I get free time.

I really like lying in bed with a beer and listening to Noise Unit, that's a thing I do a lot of these days

106 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:41:51am

re: #105 WindUpBird

I used to do a lot of photoshop/3DS stuff for kicks. I haven't started anything new in over a year. Yesterday I decided I needed to do something so I finally got around to installing PS and my tablet on this machine. Now I just need to figure out what I want to do.

107 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:42:40am

re: #99 Varek Raith

Heh, being your own boss has its disadvantages.
;)

re: #104 rwdflynavy

Unfortunately, my "skills" from playing too much Castle Wolfenstein 3D and the original DOOM games doesn't help me much today...

My cis a schoolteacher and tells me how the father of one of her students was surprised that he was doing poorly at math: "Why, he's the best Nintendo player on the block!"

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:43:24am

re: #106 RogueOne

I used to do a lot of photoshop/3DS stuff for kicks. I haven't started anything new in over a year. Yesterday I decided I needed to do something so I finally got around to installing PS and my tablet on this machine. Now I just need to figure out what I want to do.

3ds Max, my old friend *_*

109 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:44:23am
110 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:45:15am

re: #106 RogueOne

I used to do a lot of photoshop/3DS stuff for kicks. I haven't started anything new in over a year. Yesterday I decided I needed to do something so I finally got around to installing PS and my tablet on this machine. Now I just need to figure out what I want to do.

Make a 1:1 scale representation of an Earth Alliance Omega-class Destroyer.
You have one hour.
:P

111 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:45:52am

re: #108 WindUpBird

3ds Max, my old friend *_*

Or Gmax, for the freeness.

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:45:59am

re: #110 Varek Raith

Make a 1:1 scale representation of an Earth Alliance Omega-class Destroyer.
You have one hour.
:P

rig a humanoid model in character studio to animate properly, you have one week

113 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:46:39am

re: #108 WindUpBird

3ds Max, my old friend *_*

Do you still use it? I haven't gotten around to reinstalling. I considered it but I'm not motivated enough to think that hard when I want to goof off.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:49:01am

re: #113 RogueOne

Do you still use it? I haven't gotten around to reinstalling. I considered it but I'm not motivated enough to think that hard when I want to goof off.

I haven't had a gig that required it in a while, but I'm pretty fluent with it. It was always Hard Work for me to use Max, my native language is drawing, not modelling, I just sorta lucked out for a few years and had a cool contract gig doing sprite animation

115 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:50:17am

Santorum defends support for restoring felons’ voting rights
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Rick Santorum pushed back Monday morning against a series of ads being run against him on his record on earmarks, labor issues and a vote he took in 2002 that would have forced states to let felons’ voting rights be restored when they completed their sentences.

Good on him for recognizing the problem, bad on him for not wanting to deal with the underlying issue: the war on drugs. Rape!

116 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:52:02am

re: #109 Varek Raith

Fox's Asman Suggests Captain Accused Of Abandoning Ship Was Motivated By Union Mentality

Was wondering how long it would take...

Ship's captains are far removed from "union" anything for chrissakes.

I also saw that argument used to blame the French care workers for the old folks who died in the big heatwave in 2003.

117 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:52:30am

re: #114 WindUpBird

I'd be watching a tv show/movie and think "I can do that!". Once I got it figured out how they did it I'd get bored and move on. I have tons of unfinished projects.

118 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:56:03am

Can You Guess What This Man Was Arrested For?
[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

[Link: jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com...]

119 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:56:59am

re: #107 ralphieboy

re: #104 rwdflynavy


My cis a schoolteacher and tells me how the father of one of her students was surprised that he was doing poorly at math: "Why, he's the best Nintendo player on the block!"

Ah yes, the meme learned from Hollywood that being awesome at video games somehow means real skills to use in the real live world.

120 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 4:59:01am

re: #119 Alouette

Ah yes, the meme learned from Hollywood that being awesome at video games somehow means real skills to use in the real live world.

I think the dad assumed that the ability to play computer games somehow required computer skills, which used to be directly related to math skills.

121 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:00:02am

Another Hollywood meme: the dysfunctional loner with mad computer skillz who holds down a fabulous job! (examples: the "Dragon Tattoo" girl, Abby on NCIS, Garcia in "Criminal Minds"-- although the two TV chicks actually have crappy government jobs in spite of being super geniuses)

Ford and GM do not employ such dysfunctional nonconformists.

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:00:43am

re: #119 Alouette

Ah yes, the meme learned from Hollywood that being awesome at video games somehow means real skills to use in the real live world.

that would be me :)

of course to me, being awesome at video games also includes being awesome at making your own art to replace the stock game art with

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:01:35am

re: #117 RogueOne

I'd be watching a tv show/movie and think "I can do that!". Once I got it figured out how they did it I'd get bored and move on. I have tons of unfinished projects.

I don't trust any artist who doesn't have tons of unfinished projects *_*

124 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:01:59am

re: #120 ralphieboy

I think the dad assumed that the ability to play computer games somehow required computer skills, which used to be directly related to math skills.

You used to have to know actual math in order to write code, like back in Fortran days. Programs with graphical output that took months to code and compile back in the day can be accomplished now with one click.

125 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:02:13am

re: #119 Alouette

Ah yes, the meme learned from Hollywood that being awesome at video games somehow means real skills to use in the real live world.

Some skills translate:

[Link: www.tacdata.co...]

126 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:03:41am

off to give English lessons

bbl

127 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:05:52am

re: #125 RogueOne

Some skills translate:

[Link: www.tacdata.co...]

TAKE THAT NEWB!

128 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:07:52am

Morning Lizardim from the bitterly cold wild north country. It's definitely wintertime.

129 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:10:11am

re: #127 Varek Raith

TAKE THAT NEWB!

The re-spawn in that game must be a bitch. Takes forever.

130 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:18:45am

re: #129 RogueOne

The re-spawn in that game must be a bitch. Takes forever.

HAX!

131 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:20:04am

re: #125 RogueOne

Some skills translate:

[Link: www.tacdata.co...]

The Nat'l Geogrsphic series on Navy explosives ordnance disposal in SWA showed the backpack robot used to place charges. It is controlled by an X-Box handset.

132 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:22:05am

re: #121 Alouette

Another Hollywood meme: the dysfunctional loner with mad computer skillz who holds down a fabulous job! (examples: the "Dragon Tattoo" girl, Abby on NCIS, Garcia in "Criminal Minds"-- although the two TV chicks actually have crappy government jobs in spite of being super geniuses)

Ford and GM do not employ such dysfunctional nonconformists.

The dysfunctional nonconformists are network and desktop support people stuck off in a back room next to a hot and noisy server room. They answer to the name "Igor" or "Renfield" and respond well to offerings of chocolate and small animals.
//

133 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:22:06am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

The Nat'l Geogrsphic series on Navy explosives ordnance disposal in SWA showed the backpack robot used to place charges. It is controlled by an X-Box handset.

The television commercial for the Xbox Kinect shows an EOD robot with a Kinect mounted on it. While it's a great technology, given the company's history, I would have a hard time trusting mission-critical systems to anything made by Microsoft.

134 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:24:25am

re: #133 thedopefishlives

My in-laws got me a kinect for xmas last year. Who the hell wants to work that hard to play a video game? They got me an MMA game with it and I almost passed out after 3 rounds.

135 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:27:28am

{sigh]

Why do I even bother going home from work on a daily basis

I have food here
I have a toothbrush here
I have soap here
I have extra clothes here

I'm just wasting time and gas commuting!!

136 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:27:44am

re: #133 thedopefishlives

The television commercial for the Xbox Kinect shows an EOD robot with a Kinect mounted on it. While it's a great technology, given the company's history, I would have a hard time trusting mission-critical systems to anything made by Microsoft.

Yeah, but Linux is too ironic for deployment away from Starbucks.

137 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:28:07am

re: #134 RogueOne

My in-laws got me a kinect for xmas last year. Who the hell wants to work that hard to play a video game? They got me an MMA game with it and I almost passed out after 3 rounds.

which is what I predicted a couple of years ago - not you specifically, but the idea.

In theory the idea of full immersion is great. In practice, "Who the hell wants to work that hard to play a video game?"

138 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:28:57am

re: #134 RogueOne

They got me an MMA game with it and I almost passed out after 3 rounds.

years ago when we got my son his Wii I was on the couch for two days after he and I "boxed" for 10 rounds!!

139 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:30:49am

Gotta bail--the temps are rising in the garden hoophouse. BBL

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:30:54am

re: #133 thedopefishlives

The television commercial for the Xbox Kinect shows an EOD robot with a Kinect mounted on it. While it's a great technology, given the company's history, I would have a hard time trusting mission-critical systems to anything made by Microsoft.

All I'd have to do is remember the Ticonderoga class cruiser dead in the water because an NT box BSOD'd in engineering. I'd look up which ship it was but Wiki isn't available... :eek:

141 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:32:05am

re: #132 oaktree

The dysfunctional nonconformists are network and desktop support people stuck off in a back room next to a hot and noisy server room. They answer to the name "Igor" or "Renfield" and respond well to offerings of chocolate and small animals.
//

The downside is that occasionally these creatures must be brought out of their cages and sit down at a conference room to receive business requirements from corporate humans. They do need to have at least a veneer of normality in order not to repulse their corporate overlords.

142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:32:13am

re: #140 wlewisiii

All I'd have to do is remember the Ticonderoga class cruiser dead in the water because an NT box BSOD'd in engineering. I'd look up which ship it was but Wiki isn't available... :eek:

It was the Yorktown. The software suffered a divide by zero error that completely borked the ship's programming.

143 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:32:45am

re: #140 wlewisiii

All I'd have to do is remember the Ticonderoga class cruiser dead in the water because an NT box BSOD'd in engineering. I'd look up which ship it was but Wiki isn't available... :eek:

It tried to divide by zero.

144 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:33:09am

re: #142 thedopefishlives

Esoteric knowledge bonus.

145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:33:25am

re: #144 Obdicut

Esoteric knowledge bonus.

I'm a programmer. This is what they pay me for.

146 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:35:34am
147 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:35:41am

re: #141 Alouette

The downside is that occasionally these creatures must be brought out of their cages and sit down at a conference room to receive business requirements from corporate humans. They do need to have at least a veneer of normality in order not to repulse their corporate overlords.

That's why we have a sort of extra liaison layer between them and the upper management. Me. I help out a bit, do user relations, and sign paperwork.

Me: Igor, why are you torturing that poor user over that SAP GUI install.
Igor: It's what I do.
//

Reminds me of what I was told back in '88 as a contractor at the USDA.

Why the Government Uses Contractors Rather than Lab Rats
1. There are more contractors available than lab rats
2. You don't develop emotional attachments to contractors
3. There are absolutely some things lab rats will not do

;)

148 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:38:21am

re: #146 Varek Raith

5 Tiny Computer Glitches That Caused Huge Disasters

I think in history books thats under the chapter titled "OOOPPSS!!"

149 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:40:42am

Damn, this looks good:

[Link: nyccraftbeerfest.com...]

150 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:40:50am

re: #148 sattv4u2

I think in history books thats under the chapter titled "OOOPPSS!!"

Not to mention there are probably a number of disasters of this sort which are unknown due to leaving no survivors who could accurately attest to the cause.

151 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:41:43am

re: #147 oaktree

That's why we have a sort of extra liaison layer between them and the upper management. Me. I help out a bit, do user relations, and sign paperwork.

Me: Igor, why are you torturing that poor user over that SAP GUI install.
Igor: It's what I do.
//

But corporate does not want to pay for an extra person just to be a buffer between the corporates and the lab rats. They want a lab rat who can occasionally interact with corporates. That is how I got this job. I still need to work on my corporate interacting skills, but at least I give more of a shit than the previous lab rat did.

152 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:41:54am

re: #148 sattv4u2

I think in history books thats under the chapter titled "OOOPPSS!!"

Every computer science major is allowed one major fuckup in their first year. Unfortunately, this rule is not as strictly enforced as it should be, and some of us escape to do more damage later on in our careers.

153 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:43:43am

re: #151 Alouette

I still need to work on my corporate interacting skills,

Bring bagels and an assortment of cream cheeses to the meetings

And not some chain grocery store mass produced bought bagels either
Get the good stuff!

154 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:43:47am

re: #148 sattv4u2

I think in history books thats under the chapter titled "OOOPPSS!!"

More oops.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]

155 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:44:12am

re: #151 Alouette

at least I give more of a shit than the previous lab rat did.

And you're a lot cuter!

156 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:44:25am

Cold gold makes you old,
Old before you time.

157 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:46:05am

re: #153 sattv4u2

I still need to work on my corporate interacting skills,

Bring bagels and an assortment of cream cheeses to the meetings

And not some chain grocery store mass produced bought bagels either
Get the good stuff!

I could bring a home baked pie. :)

158 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:46:11am

re: #151 Alouette

But corporate does not want to pay for an extra person just to be a buffer between the corporates and the lab rats. They want a lab rat who can occasionally interact with corporates. That is how I got this job. I still need to work on my corporate interacting skills, but at least I give more of a shit than the previous lab rat did.

I have a "multiple hat" job. Buffer is just one. I also do security analyst support work in SAP, support a number of database interfaces (SSIS, SQL), and am the SAP security person for three project teams (test IDs, training IDs, and consultant concerning security access.) I'm also the "on call" person regarding getting contractors access when our computer room equipment needs servicing (A/C units, UPS, etc.) The last is the primary downside of living close to work.

159 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:47:31am

re: #153 sattv4u2

I still need to work on my corporate interacting skills,

Bring bagels and an assortment of cream cheeses to the meetings

And not some chain grocery store mass produced bought bagels either
Get the good stuff!

Heh. Project floor got two bags of Manhattan Bagels and cream cheeses this morning.
OM NOM NOM

:)

(Still not as good as bagels from Squirrel Hill.)

160 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:48:46am

I get the "blame M$" meme, but I've been around long enough I don't really buy it. Not least, I've had problems with CP/M and *nix of various sorts. Heck, notice that of the five disasters Varek re: #146 linked, only one is M$. Not mentioned is the noteworthy (though less expensive) error - the mars probe that had a little problem with math due to metric/imperial measurement confusion.

Fully tested, I have no problem with M$ in mission critical roles.

161 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:49:26am

This story came out Friday:

Officer beats 66-year-old man suffering from dementia
[Link: www.wftv.com...]

WFTV obtained dash camera video of a violent police beating in Melbourne.

The video shows an officer attacking a 66–year-old man who WFTV learned is suffering from dementia.

In the video, Melbourne police Officer Derek Middendorf is shown giving Albert Flowers a front kick to his stomach.

Middendorf then punched Flowers repeatedly while he was on the ground.

Here's the "best" part:

The officer turned off his video and audio equipment before the beating. The department was able to extract the video from the hard drive, but not the audio.

The only disciplinary record the officer received for the incident was a written reprimand for turning off the recording equipment.

Flowers was charged with battery on a law enforcement officer.

This all happened last October. After the video got released they decided maybe they didn't want to charge the guy after all:

Charges dropped against man beaten by officer
[Link: www.wftv.com...]

State Attorney Norman Wolfinger said he reviewed the case file on Tuesday, along with additional information the office had received, and ordered attorneys to drop the charges.

"Although there is probable cause to support the legality of the arrest, a full review of the in-car video, the written reprimand by the Melbourne police of their officer’s actions that prevented an audio recording, and the documented mental health history of the defendant would not support a successful prosecution. Had all of this information been available to our intake attorney, the case would have been no filed at that time," said Wayne Holmes, Chief of Staff for the Brevard office.

They had the video for quite awhile. They could have dropped the charges at any time but we're supposed to believe that the release of the video and the resulting outrage over the weekend had nothing to do with their decision.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:49:28am
Tanna: What do you think will be the next obstacle the Earth people will put in our way?

Eros: Well, as long as they can think - we’ll have our problems.

Tanna: We could just take away their coffee.


And how is everyone this am?

163 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:52:02am

re: #162 ggt

Tanna: We could just take away their coffee.

And how is everyone this am?

I'll let you know in another 3 hours once it ends!

164 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:52:55am

re: #149 Obdicut

Damn, this looks good:

[Link: nyccraftbeerfest.com...]

$100

Go for it. Looks like a great take

165 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:52:56am

re: #161 RogueOne

This story came out Friday:

Officer beats 66-year-old man suffering from dementia
[Link: www.wftv.com...]

Here's the "best" part:

This all happened last October. After the video got released they decided maybe they didn't want to charge the guy after all:

Charges dropped against man beaten by officer
[Link: www.wftv.com...]

They had the video for quite awhile. They could have dropped the charges at any time but we're supposed to believe that the release of the video and the resulting outrage over the weekend had nothing to do with their decision.

A minor correction. The initial part of the beating was done with the camera on. Another officer is caught on tape running to the vehicle, whereupon the camera signal ends. Yep, the beating officer didn't turn it off, another officer did, and the beating continued. (per definition that makes it a conspiracy, by the way, if the DA should decide to act.)

166 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:53:04am

re: #157 Alouette

I could bring a home baked pie. :)

I do that and no one trusts it.

:p

(So sue me for trying an apple pie recipe that uses a spicy steak sauce in it. Wasn't actually bad, just that people don't expect apple pie to have a hot peppery kick at the end of the bite.)

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:53:57am

Remembering that Google doesn't work today, by trying to use it, is a very harsh way to begin a morning.

168 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:54:24am

re: #160 kirkspencer

I get the "blame M$" meme, but I've been around long enough I don't really buy it. Not least, I've had problems with CP/M and *nix of various sorts. Heck, notice that of the five disasters Varek , only one is M$. Not mentioned is the noteworthy (though less expensive) error - the mars probe that had a little problem with math due to metric/imperial measurement confusion.

Fully tested, I have no problem with M$ in mission critical roles.

I think it's more because on systems non-Microsoft, much of the time, you have a chance of fixing the issue yourself. With Microsoft, there is absolutely nothing you can do save calling their support and praying.

169 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:55:28am

re: #167 ggt

Remembering that Google doesn't work today, by trying to use it, is a very harsh way to begin a morning.

Maybe you can go to Wikipedia and find out why Googles not working!!

oh ,, wait ,,, drats!

170 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:55:36am

I have some real work to accomplish this morning. Enjoy the rest of the day people!re: #167 ggt

Remembering that Google doesn't work today, by trying to use it, is a very harsh way to begin a morning.

I thought they were staying up today but putting an anti-SOPA link at the top of their results.

171 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:56:09am

re: #162 ggt

Tanna: We could just take away their coffee.


And how is everyone this am?

Hip deep in alligators and having to remind myself that I'm here to drain the swamp.
Oh look! Bagels!

172 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:58:40am

Just noticed 4Chan is semi-participating in the blackout. They're up but they have everything blacked out. Amusing.

173 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:00:09am

re: #168 thedopefishlives

I think it's more because on systems non-Microsoft, much of the time, you have a chance of fixing the issue yourself. With Microsoft, there is absolutely nothing you can do save calling their support and praying.

"[Y]ou have a chance of fixing the issue yourself." Provided, of course, that you're a computer person. If you're something else, say a pilot or a mechanical engineer or a EOD specialist, it doesn't matter who built it; it wasn't you, and if it goes bad you have to call their support and pray.

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:00:21am

re: #171 oaktree

Hip deep in alligators and having to remind myself that I'm here to drain the swamp.
Oh look! Bagels!

Coffee? is there Fresh Coffee with sugar and Real half and half?

175 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:01:31am

MARS ATTACKS

[Link: www.nbcnewyork.com...]

Yeah ,, today they're just throwing rocks at us ,, but tomorrow,, heh ,,,,

176 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:01:35am

re: #173 kirkspencer

"[Y]ou have a chance of fixing the issue yourself." Provided, of course, that you're a computer person. If you're something else, say a pilot or a mechanical engineer or a EOD specialist, it doesn't matter who built it; it wasn't you, and if it goes bad you have to call their support and pray.

Meh, you're right there. To the end user, all of these systems look the same: "Something broke, call the tech dweeb."

177 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:02:06am

re: #174 ggt

Coffee? is there Fresh Coffee with sugar and Real half and half?

Keurig (?) machine with a wide variety of coffee type options. Sugar and mini-moos available. However, I have a supply of sweetened condensed milk on hand and use that in the coffee (preferably a Sumatran style dark roast.) Picked up that preference while in Malaysia.

178 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:02:12am

re: #174 ggt

Coffee? is there Fresh Coffee with sugar and Real half and half?

yes

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:02:13am

Back in the last century, I knew at name and url of at least 5 search engines. Now, I'm sitting here wondering: "how the fuck to I use the intertoobs now?"

180 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:03:04am

re: #179 ggt

Back in the last century, I knew at name and url of at least 5 search engines. Now, I'm sitting here wondering: "how the fuck to I use the intertoobs now?"

thedopefish answered that already

"Something broke, call the tech dweeb."

181 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:03:46am

re: #177 oaktree

Keurig (?) machine with a wide variety of coffee type options. Sugar and mini-moos available. However, I have a supply of sweetened condensed milk on hand and use that in the coffee (preferably a Sumatran style dark roast.) Picked up that preference while in Malaysia.

I've tried that.

I want my real cream and sugar.

182 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:05:28am

re: #176 thedopefishlives

Meh, you're right there. To the end user, all of these systems look the same: "Something broke, call the tech dweeb."

The backhand compliment here is that the end user's get in the habit of calling certain IT people when they have issues instead of using the Help(less) Desk. Conditioned response from getting useful support instead of an on-going runaround.

183 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:05:34am

re: #179 ggt

Back in the last century, I knew at name and url of at least 5 search engines. Now, I'm sitting here wondering: "how the fuck to I use the intertoobs now?"

Search engines from the past:

Altavista
Lycos
Dogpile
DMOZ

184 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:05:59am

My current weather.

4 degrees.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:06:15am

re: #183 Alouette

Search engines from the past:

Altavista
Lycos
Dogpile
DMOZ

Lycos!!!

186 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:06:41am

re: #182 oaktree

The backhand compliment here is that the end user's get in the habit of calling certain IT people when they have issues instead of using the Help(less) Desk. Conditioned response from getting useful support instead of an on-going runaround.

Yeah, I've had that happen before. It's also why I could never work a helldesk position myself. I honestly don't have the patience to deal with the stupidity of end users on a daily basis.

187 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:07:47am

re: #186 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I've had that happen before. It's also why I could never work a helldesk position myself. I honestly don't have the patience to deal with the stupidity of end users on a daily basis.

THE SHORTCUT TO WORD IS GONE THE WORLD IS OVER

188 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:07:52am

re: #184 ggt

My current weather.

4 degrees.

I'd go inside if i were you!

189 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:08:46am

re: #176 thedopefishlives

Meh, you're right there. To the end user, all of these systems look the same: "Something broke, call the tech dweeb."

fwiw, I came to that realization a few years ago when discussing car maintenance and repairs.

The people who do it, who have a full set of tools and think nothing of a handful of hours changing belts and plugs and brakes, much less the oil, cannot grok those who pay to have their oil changed and for whom anything past that is "take it to the mechanic".

The same principle is in play. If you like playing with those toys, the nuts and bolts and the toolsets to be learned and obtained are part of the fun, or at worst a minor nuisance. If you don't like playing with those toys, they are all, each and every one of them, another stone in the wall between you and what you want to be doing.

190 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:09:42am

re: #184 ggt

My current weather.

4 degrees.

The projected low up here in the wild north country tonight is -12 degrees F (-24.4 degrees C), with wind chills heading toward -40 degrees. Needless to say, I think I'm staying indoors.

191 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:10:44am

re: #190 thedopefishlives

The projected low up here in the wild north country tonight is -12 degrees F (-24.4 degrees C), with wind chills heading toward -40 degrees. Needless to say, I think I'm staying indoors.

wimp

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:10:46am

I used to work at a job in which the computer system wasn't completely built. You'd hit "HELP" and you'd sometimes get a screen that said:

"There is no help available."

At least it was honest.

193 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:11:41am

re: #187 Varek Raith

THE SHORTCUT TO WORD IS GONE THE WORLD IS OVER

Most helldesk workers I know have some form of violent stress release (boxing, martial arts, shooting, etc.) Some of the more sadistic ones even print pictures of problem lusers and tape them to their targets.

194 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:11:48am

re: #192 ggt

I used to work at a job in which the computer system wasn't completely built. You'd hit "HELP" and you'd sometimes get a screen that said:

"There is no help available, at least not for you. Why,, you've vastly exceeded the number of times hitting HELP per day"

At least it was honest.

ftfy!
//

195 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:13:06am

re: #191 sattv4u2

wimp

Hey, I love the cold, but even I have my limits. I'm actually slightly paranoid about frostbite. That being said, I may wind up having to shovel the driveway in the below-freezing cold. We'll see.

196 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:13:56am

I don't mind the cold.

What I do mind is the sound of the siding popping every few minutes.

197 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:14:59am

re: #186 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I've had that happen before. It's also why I could never work a helldesk position myself. I honestly don't have the patience to deal with the stupidity of end users on a daily basis.

IMO, helldesk doesn't get paid enough, not even for those of us who somewhat like it and are good at it. Perhaps I should say especially for us. Those of us who figure out that the real reason Sam from Accounting can't seem to remember jack isn't that he's an idiot, it's that he's stuck in the spare cubicle on the other side of the bathroom and sees (and talks to) literally nobody -- you're about the only human he can reach. Those of us who can develop and use non-computer analogies to help our customer through their particular problem. And most especially, those of us who can envision from non-standard input and articulate clear and precise responses for the non-specialist without having to 'just go there and do it ourselves'.

Instead, it's almost always manned by the entry level computer geek, and pay is commensurate. It's like paying your salespeople minimum wage, except most customers are locked into using the company store. No need to change if you're not going to lose them anyway.

198 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:16:07am

re: #195 thedopefishlives

Hey, I love the cold, but even I have my limits. I'm actually slightly paranoid about frostbite. That being said, I may wind up having to shovel the driveway in the below-freezing cold. We'll see.

I actually enjoyed shoveling snow in the cold
What I hated was when it wasn't as cold and the snow was wet and very heavy

199 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:16:49am

re: #198 sattv4u2

I actually enjoyed shoveling snow in the cold
What I hated was when it wasn't as cold and the snow was wet and very heavy

Very true. At least the cold snow is easy to work with.

200 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:18:01am

re: #199 thedopefishlives

Very true. At least the cold snow is easy to work with.

Yes,, but in Boston all those years I lived there those times were few and far between

201 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:18:11am

re: #197 kirkspencer

Oh, I'll wholeheartedly agree to that. I wouldn't mind if helldesk geeks were paid a similar salary to mine, honestly. They have to have some technical skill to recognize the problem, and even above that, they have to have (or should have, at least) communication and personal skills to get the solution across.

202 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:19:20am

re: #201 thedopefishlives

Oh, I'll wholeheartedly agree to that. I wouldn't mind if helldesk geeks were paid a similar salary to mine, honestly. They have to have some technical skill to recognize the problem, and even above that, they have to have (or should have, at least) communication and personal skills to get the solution across.

short version: you get what you pay for. No wonder nobody likes their helpdesk.

203 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:19:53am

re: #200 sattv4u2

Yes,, but in Boston all those years I lived there those times were few and far between

Shovel???
Lol.
I use a flame thrower.

204 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:21:13am

re: #203 Varek Raith

Shovel???
Lol.
I use a flame thrower.

I used to do that, but there was that one time it had snowed so much it covered the cars

What was left was a CAR-BQ!

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:23:15am

Morning Honcos.

206 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:24:21am

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

You're late

one week detention for you!

207 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:25:11am

re: #203 Varek Raith

Shovel???
Lol.
I use a flame thrower.

knew a guy who did that back in Colorado. Didn't get the sidewalk dry, however, and he fell on the resulting ice sheet.

208 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:25:37am

Israeli strike kills two in Gaza

Residents of the Gaza town of Beit Hanoun said Israeli planes and tanks had fired into the area on Wednesday.

An Israeli military spokeswoman confirmed the attack and an army statement said the strike "targeted a terrorist squad that was planting an explosive device near the security fence".

209 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:26:00am

re: #201 thedopefishlives

Oh, I'll wholeheartedly agree to that. I wouldn't mind if helldesk geeks were paid a similar salary to mine, honestly. They have to have some technical skill to recognize the problem, and even above that, they have to have (or should have, at least) communication and personal skills to get the solution across.

My current and previous company have their 1st level Helpdesk farmed out to a 3rd party. You have to assume that the initial person taking the call has *zero* knowledge about your applications. Their job is using a set of scripts, get the ticket started, and then dumping the ticket into the appropriate support bucket with an appropriate priority on it.

So the issue then becomes communications skills (both the end-user and the Helpdesk tech), the quality of the scripts, and whether the end-user has some understanding of what went wrong in order to properly communicate it.

The scripts are notoriously prone to "magic word syndrome". If a certain word is mentioned as part of the issue the ticket gravitates into certain buckets even when the issue is completely different. At the current company a magic word is "SAP" that gets the SAP Functional Support bucket tickets having to do with a bad SAP GUI (desktop issue) and so on. At my previous employer a certain app server was identified as the "Railtrac server" even though it supported 7-8 applications. So every problem with an app on that server found its way to the Railtrac support analyst. Which for eight years was me.

Needless to say I'm not a great fan of 3rd party Helpdesk implementations.

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:26:01am

Just got back from taking my son to school - I stopped and picked up a hard copy of the local newspaper. Big one inch type saying simply

ONE MILLION SIGNATURES

This is the best day in Wisconsin in a year.

211 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:26:29am

How Copyright Industries Con Congress

I generally don't link to Cato, but this is worth a read.

From the same author;

750,000 lost jobs? The dodgy digits behind the war on piracy

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:26:54am

re: #206 sattv4u2

You're late

one week detention for you!

Good news is that Craig's List is offline for the day. Heaven forbid I find an actual full time job. Oh and some douche here at the lieberrie decided he can listen to music without headphones. When called on it, be bitched and moaned. And I didn't bring the clue by four.:(

213 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:27:22am

re: #202 kirkspencer

short version: you get what you pay for. No wonder nobody likes their helpdesk.

"Hello. This is Peggy."

214 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:29:26am

re: #209 oaktree

My current and previous company have their 1st level Helpdesk farmed out to a 3rd party. You have to assume that the initial person taking the call has *zero* knowledge about your applications. Their job is using a set of scripts, get the ticket started, and then dumping the ticket into the appropriate support bucket with an appropriate priority on it.

So the issue then becomes communications skills (both the end-user and the Helpdesk tech), the quality of the scripts, and whether the end-user has some understanding of what went wrong in order to properly communicate it.

The scripts are notoriously prone to "magic word syndrome". If a certain word is mentioned as part of the issue the ticket gravitates into certain buckets even when the issue is completely different. At the current company a magic word is "SAP" that gets the SAP Functional Support bucket tickets having to do with a bad SAP GUI (desktop issue) and so on. At my previous employer a certain app server was identified as the "Railtrac server" even though it supported 7-8 applications. So every problem with an app on that server found its way to the Railtrac support analyst. Which for eight years was me.

Needless to say I'm not a great fan of 3rd party Helpdesk implementations.

All system malfunctions must be logged at the "Abandon All Hope Desk" even if the person that you know is able to fix it is sitting at the next cubicle. And the "Abandon All Hope Desk" happens to be located in the Phillipenes.

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:29:29am

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

And let me clarify, I'm OK with web sites going dark for the day.

216 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:30:01am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

And let me clarify, I'm OK with web sites going dark for the day.

I am glad LGF is not dark. That would suck.

217 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:30:40am

re: #216 Alouette

Work would get a lot longer.

218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:30:41am

I found my State's Attorney General Complaint form without Google.

I did it ALL BY MYSELF!

219 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:31:10am

re: #217 Shropshire_Slasher

Work would get a lot longer.

and a lot more productive!

220 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:31:50am

re: #219 sattv4u2

loooolll no no no
Join CCA in detention

221 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:31:54am

re: #216 Alouette

I am glad LGF is not dark. That would suck.

He could do like Fark and just have the main page blacked out, with a link to the content for those of us who are junkies.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:32:25am

re: #216 Alouette

I am glad LGF is not dark. That would suck.

Yea, but if Charles decides to have Scotch for breakfast, all bets are off.
///

223 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:32:27am

re: #214 Alouette

All system malfunctions must be logged at the "Abandon All Hope Desk" even if the person that you know is able to fix it is sitting at the next cubicle. And the "Abandon All Hope Desk" happens to be located in the Phillipenes.

I got around that by emailing the Helpdesk with the issue and sending a CC to the guy in the next cubicle who I knew was going to fix it.

I also repeatedly got into arguments with my manager about my habit of emailing the Helpdesk (with a 4-6 hour SLA) as compared to calling them when I would then get a ticket immediately (after waiting 2-30 minutes for an analyst.) I told him that there was no way I trusted the Helpdesk to transcribe correctly the technical information I had to go along with the ticket.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:33:39am

Full house here today. WTF?

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:34:10am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Full house here today. WTF?

NO GOOGLE.

226 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:34:24am

re: #216 Alouette

I am glad LGF is not dark. That would suck.

Since nobody else has, I'll volunteer to go check the porn sites to see if they're still up

If I'm not back in 17 hours, don't worry!

227 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:34:27am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Full house here today. WTF?

All the other websites are dark. What do you expect the Lizardim to do, actual work?

228 iossarian  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:34:33am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea, but if Charles decides to have Scotch for breakfast, all bets are off.
///

3,000 comment threat crashes the internet. SOPA and PIPA cancelled as society, unable to order cheap baubles from Amazon, enters mass revolt.

The chain of events goes down in history as "Jazz Ponytail Incident".

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:34:57am

I have exactly one hour to get showered and out the door and get gas before I have to get on the highway to my destination.

If I sit here, talk with you-all and finish my coffee, think I can make it?

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:35:35am

re: #225 ggt

NO GOOGLE.

I meant at the lieberrie. I'm not gonna stay long since I have to work today and am off tomorrow. Will go to the main lieberrie then. More space. And the hot dog guy is a block away.:)

231 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:35:37am

re: #229 ggt

No, so try to keep it on all 4 tires

232 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:35:44am

re: #227 thedopefishlives

All the other websites are dark. What do you expect the Lizardim to do, actual work?

Sacrifice more CPUs to the Internet Gods! We must convince them to end this eclipse!
(tearing of clothes and gnashing of teeth)

233 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:36:17am

re: #229 ggt

I have exactly one hour to get showered and out the door and get gas before I have to get on the highway to my destination.

If I sit here, talk with you-all and finish my coffee, think I can make it?

have a few more cups of coffee and you won't have to stop before you have to get on the highway!! !!!

234 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:36:47am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

And let me clarify, I'm OK with web sites going dark for the day.

Wired did it an interesting way-All the headers are dark, but the content is accessible after that reminder about SOPA

www.wired.com

235 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:36:57am

re: #232 oaktree

Sacrifice more CPUs to the Internet Gods! We must convince them to end this eclipse!
(tearing of clothes and gnashing of teeth)

Ceiling Cat is not pleased with your offering.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:37:27am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Since nobody else has, I'll volunteer to go check the porn sites to see if they're still up

If I'm not back in 17 hours 4 minutes, don't worry!

FTFY

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:38:01am

I tried to tell you people the intertubz was just a fad!!!!
/

238 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:38:11am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

FTFY

17 hours

I'll need a long nap after those 4 minutes

239 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:40:59am

IF they really wanted to make a big impact YouTube and ICanHazCheeseburger should have joined in as well.

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:41:06am

re: #238 sattv4u2

17 hours

I'll need a long nap after those 4 minutes

BS, it's 15 seconds.

:0

241 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:41:38am

re: #235 thedopefishlives

Ceiling Cat is not pleased with your offering.

(Opens a can of tuna fish with an manual can opener)

242 Coracle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:41:57am

re: #211 Varek Raith

How Copyright Industries Con Congress

I generally don't link to Cato, but this is worth a read.

From the same author;

750,000 lost jobs? The dodgy digits behind the war on piracy

I was coming to post this, too. I also don't care for CATO most of the time. But this reads solid.

243 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:42:06am

re: #240 ggt

BS, it's 15 seconds.

:0

Not if you include the three minutes and forty-five seconds of foreplay!

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:42:08am

re: #241 oaktree

(Opens a can of tuna fish with an manual can opener)

What? your electric one won't work today either?

245 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:42:27am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm supposed to have a problem with Ozzie Nelson?

Who's Ozzie Nelson? And why should I have a problem with him?

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:42:30am

BRADENTON, Fla. -- Former Alabama cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick has been arrested on a marijuana possession charge.

An arrest report on the Manatee County Sheriff's Office web site says Kirkpatrick was arrested at 12:48 a.m. Tuesday and charged with possessing less than 20 grams of marijuana. He was released on $120 bond.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This is where I grew up. But I've never been to the jail at Port Manatee on Harlee Road.
*cough*

247 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:42:40am

re: #229 ggt

I have exactly one hour to get showered and out the door and get gas before I have to get on the highway to my destination.

If I sit here, talk with you-all and finish my coffee, think I can make it?

Depends. Is your computer shower safe?

248 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:43:14am

re: #244 ggt

What? your electric one won't work today either?

I actually don't own an electric one. Though I do note that one in my family was a surefire cat overlord attractor.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:43:31am

re: #243 sattv4u2

Not if you include the three minutes and forty-five seconds of foreplay!

You need that?

250 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:43:46am

re: #249 ggt

You need that?

He's old.

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:44:42am

re: #250 Varek Raith

He's old.

ah!

252 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:44:46am

re: #245 Romantic Heretic

Who's Ozzie Nelson?

1960's TV family show

Ozzie and Harriet

The Nelsons (with their real life children Ricky and whatsisname)
Ricky later was a singer of some renown

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:44:53am

I'm off to the showers.

Have a great one all!

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:45:11am

re: #252 sattv4u2

1960's TV family show

Ozzie and Harriet

The Nelsons (with their real life children Ricky and whatsisname)
Ricky later was a singer of some renown

feeling your age?

255 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:45:36am

re: #245 Romantic Heretic

re: #252 sattv4u2

1960's TV family show

Ozzie and Harriet

The Nelsons (with their real life children Ricky and whatsisname)
Ricky later was a singer of some renown

David ,, that was the older sons name

256 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:45:46am

re: #254 ggt

feeling your age?

I told you ,, foreplay!!

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:45:51am

re: #254 ggt

feeling your age?

All this porn talk, I don't think it's his age he's feeling right about now.
///

258 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:46:36am

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

All this porn talk, I don't think it's his age he's feeling right about now.
///

But the two cigarettes afterwards is just sick!
///

259 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:46:52am

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

All this porn talk, I don't think it's his age he's feeling right about now.
///

pocket pool

And no,, I only play "home games", no "away games"

260 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:47:12am

re: #259 sattv4u2

pocket pool

And no,, I only play "home games", no "away games"

NTTAWWT!!

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:48:04am

re: #259 sattv4u2

pocket pool

And no,, I only play "home games", no "away games"

re: #260 sattv4u2

NTTAWWT!!

Tell the people at Chuck E. Cheese that!!!
///

262 iossarian  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:49:23am

re: #261 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #260 sattv4u2

Tell the people at Chuck E. Cheese that!!!
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You speak from experience I take it?

263 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:49:39am

re: #91 WindUpBird

gaming is a young man's game XD

I'm feeling this way at the moment. I recently got Dragon Age: Origins and several of the fights are what I refer to as 'butt rape without lube'. My reflexes just aren't up to it. Even pausing to do some planning means I'm a step behind the game.

Still, It's a lot of fun.

But I'm of an age where I remember Ultima II with fondness.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:50:13am

re: #262 iossarian

You speak from experience I take it?

You should see what I use to whack-a-mole.
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265 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:50:49am

re: #263 Romantic Heretic

But I'm of an age where I remember Ultima II with fondness

I think the last video game I played was Pong

266 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:52:47am

re: #263 Romantic Heretic

I'm feeling this way at the moment. I recently got Dragon Age: Origins and several of the fights are what I refer to as 'butt rape without lube'. My reflexes just aren't up to it. Even pausing to do some planning means I'm a step behind the game.

Still, It's a lot of fun.

But I'm of an age where I remember Ultima II with fondness.

That's not age.
Origins can be mercilessly difficult.

267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:53:04am

re: #248 oaktree

I actually don't own an electric one. Though I do note that one in my family was a surefire cat overlord attractor.

Mine are very responsive to the rattle of the cat food bag. My outdoor feline overlord can hear it rattling inside the house, no matter where she is on the property.

268 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:55:29am

re: #267 thedopefishlives

Mine are very responsive to the rattle of the cat food bag. My outdoor feline overlord can hear it rattling inside the house, no matter where she is on the property.

A lot of cat (and dog) food cans are now pull tab anyways. And the younger cat overlord will wake up from an apparently sound sleep in the other room and arrive in the kitchen within seconds of the sound of a pull tab.

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:56:40am

I just signed an online petition against SOPA. I'm guessing FEMA camps are in my future!!!

270 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:57:19am

Best line of the day, from the comments on Fark about the MPAA criticizing the blackouts: "OW, MY EYE! MY DOCTOR TOLD ME NOT TO GET IRONY IN IT!"

271 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:58:45am

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just signed an online petition against SOPA. I'm guessing FEMA camps are in my future!!!

I detect one FEMA drone in your vicinity.

272 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:59:10am

re: #271 Varek Raith

I detect one FEMA drone in your vicinity.

Woops. I thought I turned off my IFF transponder.

273 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:00:15am

re: #272 thedopefishlives

Woops. I thought I turned off my IFF transponder.

That ON/OFF switch is just there for show. Just like the "Door Close" button in elevators.

274 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:00:30am

re: #239 oaktree

IF they really wanted to make a big impact YouTube and ICanHazCheeseburger should have joined in as well.

ICanHazCheeseburger is on the list of confirmed participants, and youtube.com is on the "unverified" list, at [Link: sopastrike.com...]

275 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:02:23am

Where is Gus?
Gus, get back to posting or I'll send ewoks to annoy the hell out of you.

276 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:02:52am

re: #274 abolitionist

ICanHazCheeseburger is on the list of confirmed participants, and youtube.com is on the "unverified" list, at [Link: sopastrike.com...]

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:03:51am

This fucking place sounds more like a bar than a lieberrie. Think I'll go for now and come back tomorrow unless the interwebz is shut down. :)
/

278 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:03:52am

re: #275 Varek Raith

Where is Gus?
Gus, get back to posting or I'll send ewoks to annoy the hell out of you.

As opposed to him being here and YOU annoying the hell out of him!
/

279 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:05:12am

re: #275 Varek Raith

Where is Gus?
Gus, get back to posting or I'll send ewoks to annoy the hell out of you.

Ewoks are insufficient. Give him a protocol droid.

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:06:29am

re: #279 oaktree

Ewoks are insufficient. Give him a protocol droid.

*cough*

Jar-Jar.

281 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:07:02am

re: #275 Varek Raith

I think he's moved on. He's been having a tough time. Maybe he'll be back after a break. I wish him well.

282 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:09:04am

re: #280 thedopefishlives

*cough*

Jar-Jar.

Qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment. Plus there is only one Jar-Jar and lots of protocol droids to go around.

283 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:11:59am

Alright, off to the spice mines.

284 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:16:03am

re: #283 Varek Raith

Alright, off to the spice mines.

Will you be meeting the Spice Girls there?

285 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:17:47am

The greenhouse is about half finished an should be completed by the end of the day. I'm really surprised how big the finished project is. Unfortunately the workers have been cutting aluminum and pressure treated wood over my nice beds of organic compost. I'll have to skim off the top inch of soil once they're done.
I'm really looking forward to letting the cats explore the greenhouse. They're both indoor cats and have never been outside their entire lives. It will be the largest open space they've ever experienced and they'll really enjoy the view of the garden and pond.

286 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:20:33am

Scenes from a multiverse on the GOP debates:

Image: 2012-01-09-Race-To-The-Bottom.png

287 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:21:07am

Ethiopia says Germans, Hungarians and Austrian killed

Two Germans, two Hungarians and an Austrian were killed by gunmen in an attack on tourists in the remote Afar region of northern Ethiopia, the Ethiopian government said on Wednesday.

288 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:24:55am

re: #285 Killgore Trout

The greenhouse is about half finished an should be completed by the end of the day. I'm really surprised how big the finished project is. Unfortunately the workers have been cutting aluminum and pressure treated wood over my nice beds of organic compost. I'll have to skim off the top inch of soil once they're done.
I'm really looking forward to letting the cats explore the greenhouse. They're both indoor cats and have never been outside their entire lives. It will be the largest open space they've ever experienced and they'll really enjoy the view of the garden and pond.

And presumably since some large insects and mice will eventually get into it you'll have a nice Cat Overlord Hunting Preserve. You might never get them back inside... (especially if you plant some catnip.)

289 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:28:33am

re: #288 oaktree

And presumably since some large insects and mice will eventually get into it you'll have a nice Cat Overlord Hunting Preserve. You might never get them back inside... (especially if you plant some catnip.)

It's going to take a few weeks for me to lay the brick floor but once it's done I'm going to install a cat door so they can come and go as they please. I'm also going to install a cat walk so they can climb up and hang out near the rafters. They'll probably never come back inside.

290 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:29:31am

re: #289 Killgore Trout

It's going to take a few weeks for me to lay the brick floor but once it's done I'm going to install a cat door so they can come and go as they please. I'm also going to install a cat walk so they can climb up and hang out near the rafters. They'll probably never come back inside.

I wouldn't say never. My parents have two quasi-outdoor cat overlords. They love to roam around and one is a very good hunter, but eventually they just get lazy and bored and want to come inside and be pampered.

291 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:31:02am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

Ethiopia says Germans, Hungarians and Austrian killed

Foreigners who venture out into the area usually include researchers, aid workers and some 500 adventure tourists each year visiting geographical wonders like the Danakil Depression, with its ancient salt mines and volcanoes.

"Henry, all things considered, lets go to Miami Beach next vacation!!"

//

292 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:33:40am

re: #291 sattv4u2

Foreigners who venture out into the area usually include researchers, aid workers and some 500 adventure tourists each year visiting geographical wonders like the Danakil Depression, with its ancient salt mines and volcanoes.

"Henry, all things considered, lets go to Miami Beach next vacation!!"

//

National geographic did a series called something like "Captured Abroad" about the real life stories of people kidnapped or arrested in some of these sketchy countries. Shit gave me nightmares.

293 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:39:53am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

National geographic did a series called something like "Captured Abroad" about the real life stories of people kidnapped or arrested in some of these sketchy countries. Shit gave me nightmares.

Next foreign vacation: consider Canada.

294 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:42:04am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

National geographic did a series called something like "Captured Abroad" about the real life stories of people kidnapped or arrested in some of these sketchy countries. Shit gave me nightmares.

Thats why I've had mixed emotions about the hikers caught along the Iraq/Iran border (or other similar stories)

On the one hand, if they did just make an honest mistake and were on, near, or slightly over the border, arresting, jailing and sentencing them ("ransom" money paid for their release aside) is ludicrous.
On the other hand, you have a few friends sitting around in an apartment in (lets say) Atlanta and decide "you know where we should go for a hike ,,,,",, The Iran/ Iraq border,, or any "hot spot" around the world would NOT make me and my friends list

295 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:44:32am

re: #294 sattv4u2

Thats why I've had mixed emotions about the hikers caught along the Iraq/Iran border (or other similar stories)

On the one hand, if they did just make an honest mistake and were on, near, or slightly over the border, arresting, jailing and sentencing them ("ransom" money paid for their release aside) is ludicrous.
On the other hand, you have a few friends sitting around in an apartment in (lets say) Atlanta and decide "you know where we should go for a hike ,,,",, The Iran/ Iraq border,, or any "hot spot" around the world would NOT make me and my friends list

For some people that is part of the excitement.

296 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:44:50am

re: #61 Obdicut

It'd block DNS lookup, but you could still go there by just manually typing in the IP address.

It's a bit worse than that. It provides for blocking DNS resolution of the entire domain hosting allegedly infringing material (also note that there is no legal due process whatsoever involved).

Picture this scenario:

Pirate Pete puts the latest Steamy Ray Vaughn release on his personal website which he hosts on the space provided to him by his ISP, derpnet.com. Well, ol' Steamy Ray's lawyers find out about it, and woo wee do they ever give out a hoot 'n a holler! Next thing you know, derpnet.com doesn't resolve anymore, which means (among other things) that derpnet customers, even those who have never even heard of Steamy Ray Vaughn, much less engaged in pirating his latest emanations, can't receive email. They also can't send email, because most smart hosts reject inbound email from non-resolvable hosts, like so. In short, it breaks the shit out of derpnet.com.

Now, derpnet.com is a small ISP, but they still have about 10,000 customers. If derpnet.com wants to stay in business, it has two choices:

1) Hire enough staff to monitor everything stored by all 10,000 of its customers to make sure that none of it is infringing. They don't actually have to worry about whether it's truly legally infringing, but they do need to be able to predict what someone's expensive legal team will allege to be infringing.

They will also need to make sure that, even if their users aren't directly uploading infringing content (e.g., MP3s, videos, etc), they are also not posting links to sites where such material is allegedly hosted. So, derpnet.com also needs to make sure that nothing on [Link: www.catpictureswithcaptions.com...] is potentially infringing. Hopefully there's not an identifiable copyrighted image in the background of one of those photos!

- OR -

2) Completely prohibit all customers from posting anything on their servers.

I wonder which one they'll choose.

297 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:48:42am

re: #295 Alouette

For some people that is part of the excitement.

"hey Bill,, isn't this exciting, being in an Iranian jail and going to an Iranian court tomorrow! I hope the gift shop is open!"

298 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:48:45am

Followed by said system being gamed in order to annoy competition or get revenge against criticism. Don't like something or someone, just make an infringement claim without caring if it's true or not. Or, for some place that takes comments just register a throwaway account, plant an infringing comment, and then make an infringement claim.

299 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:50:49am

re: #294 sattv4u2

Thats why I've had mixed emotions about the hikers caught along the Iraq/Iran border (or other similar stories)

On the one hand, if they did just make an honest mistake and were on, near, or slightly over the border, arresting, jailing and sentencing them ("ransom" money paid for their release aside) is ludicrous.
On the other hand, you have a few friends sitting around in an apartment in (lets say) Atlanta and decide "you know where we should go for a hike ,,,",, The Iran/ Iraq border,, or any "hot spot" around the world would NOT make me and my friends list

I'm a fairly adventurous traveler but for the most part I'd rather stay home. My mom still does insane trips in Africa that make me cringe.

300 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:52:14am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

The German government had a case like that a while back: they made the tourist pay for the cost of evacuating them

301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:53:14am

re: #298 oaktree

Followed by said system being gamed in order to annoy competition or get revenge against criticism. Don't like something or someone, just make an infringement claim without caring if it's true or not. Or, for some place that takes comments just register a throwaway account, plant an infringing comment, and then make an infringement claim.

I think this is the part that burns me the most, is that an allegation of infringement is enough to produce enforcement. If you can't prove to me that I'm infringing, then I shouldn't have to do diddly squat.

302 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:54:43am

Does anyone have an "Amazon Prime" account? Is it worth it? I just started a 30-day free trial.

303 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:55:23am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

I'm a fairly adventurous traveler but for the most part I'd rather stay home. My mom still does insane trips in Africa that make me cringe.

I make insane trips to Brooklyn, but then again, I live in Detroit.

304 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:56:19am

I don't have a strong opinion of SOPA one way or the other but the blackouts from Reddit and google are a very effective form of protest. I imagine a lot of people who haven't been paying attention are now looking into the issue and forming an opinion. It's simple, focused, principled and effective within a very short period of time and with minimal effort and expense. OWS, on the other hand spent a lot of time, money and effort to accomplish nothing aside from stricter regulations for camping in urban parks.

305 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:57:10am

re: #301 thedopefishlives

I think this is the part that burns me the most, is that an allegation of infringement is enough to produce enforcement. If you can't prove to me that I'm infringing, then I shouldn't have to do diddly squat.

Treats you as guilty until proven innocent. And in the meantime wrecks DNS resolution for that user and a lot more. Sort of like napalming a village to get one *alleged* criminal.

I think the goal is make it so heinious that the on-line community will fall in line to enforce it. I don't think that will work in any case, and while they take time to realize that and consider modifying it a lot of abuse will take place and damage done.

306 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 7:59:22am

re: #302 Alouette

Does anyone have an "Amazon Prime" account? Is it worth it? I just started a 30-day free trial.

A lot of people love it. Even though I'm close to grocery stores and shops even I'm considering it. Once my greenhouse is up and running the only thing I'll have to run out for is durables and canned goods. I could just order those from amazon once a month or so and pretty much eliminate all my regular errands.

307 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:00:04am

re: #302 Alouette

Does anyone have an "Amazon Prime" account? Is it worth it? I just started a 30-day free trial.

I cancelled mine just before the 30 days expired

(got one "free shipping" out of it during the 30 days)

$79 ,, for me ,, not worth it (not a big online shopper)
YMMV

308 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:00:28am

re: #302 Alouette

Does anyone have an "Amazon Prime" account? Is it worth it? I just started a 30-day free trial.

I have it, and it's worth it since my wife buys a ton of things, and I need to buy a lot for business stuff.

Pays for itself in shipping costs.

309 darthstar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:03:18am

Good morning! Newt Gingrich gets the coveted Sarah Palin endorsement! So to review...this where we stand with critical endorsements:
Romney - Christine "Not a Witch" O'Donnell and Sarah Palin's grumpy older former running mate.
Santorum - fetuses and anal lube manufacturers, and a bunch of Jesus freaks.
Gingrich - The grifter from Wasilla herself...Sarah Palin!

The best part of Palin's comment is she goes off on how vetting a candidate is important. "The mistake we made in our country is a candidate that was not vetted..." The tv people couldn't contain their laughter..."Oh, she's saying Obama wasn't vetted? I thought she was talking about herself!"

310 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:05:37am

re: #309 darthstar

Good morning! Newt Gingrich gets the coveted Sarah Palin endorsement! So to review...this where we stand with critical endorsements:
Romney - Christine "Not a Witch" O'Donnell and Sarah Palin's grumpy older former running mate.
Santorum - fetuses and anal lube manufacturers, and a bunch of Jesus freaks.
Gingrich - The grifter from Wasilla herself...Sarah Palin!

The best part of Palin's comment is she goes off on how vetting a candidate is important. "The mistake we made in our country is a candidate that was not vetted..." The tv people couldn't contain their laughter..."Oh, she's saying Obama wasn't vetted? I thought she was talking about herself!"

I think they're all political vampires. They have no reflection in a mirror.

311 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:06:59am

re: #308 Obdicut

I have it, and it's worth it since my wife buys a ton of things, and I need to buy a lot for business stuff.

Pays for itself in shipping costs.

I am trying to cut down on stuff I buy online, especially since my card was hacked. That totally sucked. I know which site it was, sorry to say that it was one of the vendors for the Zionist Mall. They have reinstalled the site with more security now.

I would say that most of the vendors for the Zionist Mall are at increased risk simply because they are in Israel.

312 darthstar  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:08:28am

re: #296 negativ

"Steamy Ray Vaughn?" Stevie was an awesome guitar player and is still missed.

313 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:09:51am

re: #311 Alouette

I am trying to cut down on stuff I buy online

And there's the key

The $79 a year while getting free shipping IS worth it if you're buying enough stuff that it would have cost you $80 (+) in shipping costs

For me, where I buy almost nothing online, it wasn't worth the $79

314 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:37:54am

re: #308 Obdicut

I have it, and it's worth it since my wife buys a ton of things, and I need to buy a lot for business stuff.

Pays for itself in shipping costs.

Same here, plus free streaming movies and free kindle books.

315 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:42:38am

re: #302 Alouette

It probably depends on your shopping habits online, and whether you can take advantage of the already free super saver shipping that is an option on many sales (particularly if you buy stuff in excess of $25 at a time). In favor of Amazon Prime: faster 2-day shipping, no minimum order size, unlimited instant streaming of thousands of movies and TV shows with Prime instant videos, and a Kindle book to borrow for free each month from the Kindle Owners' Lending Library.

I don't bother with Amazon Prime since I usually buy stuff in excess of $25 at a time, and super saver shipping is sufficient (I buy most items well in advance of when they're needed). I don't have a Kindle, and I can stream 'net stuff through other free services and via Verizon's OnDemand system.

316 blueraven  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:56:46am

Obama administration to reject Keystone pipeline

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

317 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:59:48am

re: #316 blueraven

They're just rejecting the route, not the concept.

Unfortunately.

318 albusteve  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:07:42am

Obama's jobs council report says 'drill'

“[W]e should allow more access to oil, natural gas and coal opportunities on federal lands,” states the year-end report released Tuesday by the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

[Link: thehill.com...]

319 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:08:55am

Worst defense ever....
Report: Captain claims he "tripped" into lifeboat

The cruise ship captain under fire for abandoning his vessel while thousands of passengers scrambled for rescue has reportedly come up with an explanation for his flight - he accidentally tripped and fell into a lifeboat.

320 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:09:49am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Worst defense ever...
Report: Captain claims he "tripped" into lifeboat

He just needs to sign up for some job training for some other job right now.

Probably, though, he's going to jail.

321 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:10:04am

re: #318 albusteve

Obama's jobs council report says 'drill'

“[W]e should allow more access to oil, natural gas and coal opportunities on federal lands,” states the year-end report released Tuesday by the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

[Link: thehill.com...]

Yup, no surprise.

322 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:10:05am

Two key senators drop support for the SOPA/PIPA legislation and instead are urging more research on the matter.

Freshman Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, a rising Republican star, was first out of the starting gate Wednesday morning with his announcement that he would no longer back anti-Internet piracy legislation he had co-sponsored. Senator John Cornyn, the Texas Republican who heads the campaign operation for his party, quickly followed suit and urged Congress take more time to study the measure that had been set for a test vote next week.

Mr. Cornyn, just before 9 a.m, posted on his Facebook page that it was “better to get this done right rather than fast and wrong. Stealing content is theft, plain and simple, but concerns about unintended damage to the internet and innovation in the tech sector require a more thoughtful balance, which will take more time.”

Their decisions came after swathes of the Internet were shut down Wednesday to protest two separate bills, the Stop On-line Piracy Act in the House, written by Representative Lamar Smith, the Texas Republican who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, and the Protect Intellectual Property Act, drafted by Senator Patrick Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Members of Congress, many of whom are grappling with the issues posed by the explosion in new media and social web sites, appeared caught off guard by the backlash to what had been a relatively obscure piece of legislation to many of them. The Internet sensibility of the Senate was represented a few years ago in remarks by the late Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska, who called the Internet “not a big truck” but “series of tubes” - an observation enshrined in the Net Hall of Shame.

The legislation, which is being pushed by the likes of the RIAA and Chamber of Commerce, wouldn't be able to really address the crux of the problem - that piracy is a matter that is outside the US jurisdiction. It happens overseas, and it is a ham-fisted measure that would adversely affect US companies and content providers here without actually reducing piracy overseas. Even the proponents of the legislation admit that the bills aren't sufficient to go after the piracy overseas and look to reduce their linkages domestically.

Then again, there are those who argue that scapegoating countries like China ignores that piracy is sometimes overblown and often used as a campaign issue. For instance, someone who illegally downloaded a song didn't cost the recording industry a $15 sale but possibly a $.99 cent iTunes download. Then again, if that person liked the song that they illegally downloaded, they might potentially buy the entire album or compilation of songs - such that the illegally downloaded song became advertising for the artist's larger collection of works. That's a somewhat compelling argument, and it underlines the difficulty in quantifying the costs to the industry.

323 albusteve  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:10:08am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Worst defense ever...
Report: Captain claims he "tripped" into lifeboat

he's been dubbed 'Chicken Of The Sea'

324 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:11:03am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Worst defense ever...
Report: Captain claims he "tripped" into lifeboat

HAV MOAR FAIL

325 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:11:15am

re: #285 Killgore Trout

The greenhouse is about half finished an should be completed by the end of the day. I'm really surprised how big the finished project is. Unfortunately the workers have been cutting aluminum and pressure treated wood over my nice beds of organic compost. I'll have to skim off the top inch of soil once they're done.
I'm really looking forward to letting the cats explore the greenhouse. They're both indoor cats and have never been outside their entire lives. It will be the largest open space they've ever experienced and they'll really enjoy the view of the garden and pond.

Find out what's in the wood first. The really bad stuff (Pentachlorophenol) is long out of the system. It might be something inert to plants. I think aluminum is just about everywhere (except Britain) in one compound or another.

326 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:11:36am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

The conversation between him and the port official is just so damning. Even in Italian, you can hear his cowardice.

327 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:11:38am

re: #323 albusteve

That will really confuse Jessica Simpson

328 iossarian  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:16:51am

re: #325 Decatur Deb

(except Britain)

Britain has plenty of alumineeum. They use it to build Jageeuars, amongst other things.

329 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:17:42am

re: #326 Obdicut

Those transcripts are the most damning bit of evidence against the captain; he simply didn't stay with the ship during the critical moments as the crew struggled to get passengers off the ship.

Tripping and falling into a lifeboat is his excuse for not being on the ship? That's his excuse? That makes no sense whatsoever, and it again ignores that he could have returned to the ship to help with the rescue effort.

Then again, it is possible that despite the captains mistakes in guiding the ship as close as he did - causing the accident, his later actions to ground the ship may have saved some additional number of lives. We'll have to wait for a full investigation and review of records to see what transpired.

Besides all the craziness with the captain, this particular disaster shows the need to better review disaster preparation/evacuation procedures on the ships - crews need to understand what to do and how to keep tabs of passengers and crews as they leave the ship.

330 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:18:28am

re: #328 iossarian

Britain has plenty of alumineeum. They use it to build Jageeuars, amongst other things.

Are those some sort of Mecha-Feline Overlord? I expect the road salt used in abundance over here would corrode them heavily.

331 iossarian  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:21:01am

re: #330 oaktree

Are those some sort of Mecha-Feline Overlord? I expect the road salt used in abundance over here would corrode them heavily.

In the UK, they pronounce Jaguar "Jag-you-are", as opposed to "Jag-waar".

As for corrosion, the old Jags would corrode if you showed them a picture of a glass of water, but I think they've ironed out most of the quality issues now.

332 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:22:02am

re: #325 Decatur Deb

Find out what's in the wood first. The really bad stuff (Pentachlorophenol) is long out of the system. It might be something inert to plants. I think aluminum is just about everywhere (except Britain) in one compound or another.

I think I'm going to just skim it off just to be safe. I learned a nifty trick this summer when a neighbor sprayed paint chips all over my garden. I have a large shop vac and when the soil is dry I can use it to suck up just the very top of the contaminated soil. It's a pretty easy and clean operation.

333 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:22:04am

re: #328 iossarian

Britain has plenty of alumineeum. They use it to build Jageeuars, amongst other things.

Is that Jag-wire or Jag-you-are?

334 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:23:35am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

omfg I would hate to be your neighbor, and vice-versa.

335 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:24:30am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I think I'm going to just skim it off just to be safe. I learned a nifty trick this summer when a neighbor sprayed paint chips all over my garden. I have a large shop vac and when the soil is dry I can use it to suck up just the very top of the contaminated soil. It's a pretty easy and clean operation.

Depends on how much you want to be like the hippies next door. I've just checked Copper Naphthenate, the most common preservative, and it wouldn't scare me.

Example discussion:

[Link: www.instructables.com...]

336 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:25:11am

re: #334 Shropshire_Slasher

omfg I would hate to be your neighbor, and vice-versa.

Gardening with Niles and Frasier.

337 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:30:53am

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Gardening with Niles and Frasier.

I don't think it's that outrageous. You wouldn't open your fridge and sprinkle paint chips or pressure treated wood dust on your food. I'm far from a health nut but there are some things humans aren't supposed to eat.

338 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:36:08am

re: #337 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's that outrageous. You wouldn't open your fridge and sprinkle paint chips or pressure treated wood dust on your food. I'm far from a health nut but there are some things humans aren't supposed to eat.

Yanking your chain. There was an expression from my childhood I've never quite understood: "You have to eat a bushel of dirt before you die." That can either mean "A bushel of dirt will kill you", or "You're alright if you don't consume a whole bushel", or "It's inevitable that you will eat a bushel in your lifetime."

(This was said by an adult to reassure me after I ate a tablespoon of Pittsburgh backyard on a dare.)

339 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:36:26am

Human rights activist attacked twice in Gaza Strip

A prominent Palestinian human rights activist who criticized Palestinian armed groups for the use of "human shields" has been attacked twice since the beginning of the month, human rights groups in the Gaza Strip said Wednesday.

Mahmoud Abu Rahma, International Relations Director at Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, was stabbed last Friday in various parts of his body, according to the center.

He is reported to be in critical condition.

340 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:38:32am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Heh, I was always told, life is a shit sandwich, and you gotta take a bite every day.

341 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:39:53am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Yanking your chain. There was an expression from my childhood I've never quite understood: "You have to eat a bushel of dirt before you die." That can either mean "A bushel of dirt will kill you", or "You're alright if you don't consume a whole bushel", or "It's inevitable that you will eat a bushel in your lifetime."

(This was said by an adult to reassure me after I ate a tablespoon of Pittsburgh backyard on a dare.)

I'm actually pretty lax about it. I don't grow edibles right up to the foundation of the house. The soil near the foundations of these old houses is usually pretty toxic from old lead paint. It's safe to assume the rest of the yard has plenty of old chemicals and toxins, that's just a fact of urban gardening.

342 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:40:50am

Who said the Iranians don't have a sense of humor?

Iranian company wants to send toy drone to Obama.

343 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:42:27am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Yanking your chain. There was an expression from my childhood I've never quite understood: "You have to eat a bushel of dirt before you die." That can either mean "A bushel of dirt will kill you", or "You're alright if you don't consume a whole bushel", or "It's inevitable that you will eat a bushel in your lifetime."

(This was said by an adult to reassure me after I ate a tablespoon of Pittsburgh backyard on a dare.)

Over in Clairton, Neville Island, or a number of other places that could actually have been hazardous.
;)

Did you do it to get a Klondike Bar?

344 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:47:17am

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I'm actually pretty lax about it. I don't grow edibles right up to the foundation of the house. The soil near the foundations of these old houses is usually pretty toxic from old lead paint. It's safe to assume the rest of the yard has plenty of old chemicals and toxins, that's just a fact of urban gardening.

Lead does scare me, like mercury. I was very careful to control the chips and residue when I stripped an old boat in the yard. Good risk management says to get a real ID and assessment of other compounds and their migration through the food chain before spending a lot of time and money on mitigation. Here's a warning on "Killer Compost" that is loose to some extent in the garden world:

[Link: www.motherearthnews.com...]

345 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:49:14am

re: #343 oaktree

Over in Clairton, Neville Island, or a number of other places that could actually have been hazardous.
;)

Did you do it to get a Klondike Bar?

Up on the old Bluff Street, now under a Duquesne parking lot. Lived next to Chartier's Creek for while, near where it dumps into the Ohio at Neville Island. Nothing can kill me now.

346 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:49:56am

re: #289 Killgore Trout

It's going to take a few weeks for me to lay the brick floor but once it's done I'm going to install a cat door so they can come and go as they please. I'm also going to install a cat walk so they can climb up and hang out near the rafters. They'll probably never come back inside.

Our kittehs have a screened and roofed 4' cube that's attached at the bedroom window. They spend hours out there every day, no matter how cold it is. We've started to feed bird right outside of it. Better than TV! We call it the Furanda.

347 kirghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:52:15am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

I don't have a strong opinion of SOPA one way or the other but the blackouts from Reddit and google are a very effective form of protest. I imagine a lot of people who haven't been paying attention are now looking into the issue and forming an opinion. It's simple, focused, principled and effective within a very short period of time and with minimal effort and expense. OWS, on the other hand spent a lot of time, money and effort to accomplish nothing aside from stricter regulations for camping in urban parks.

Actually, I think OWS did focus attention on the problem. Equally, it made it clear that those who don't like the problem aren't alone in their dislike.

I'll give you a specific consequence. Mitt Romney's tax forms are a lot more of a problem than they were in 2008. Heck, Romney's tax forms are more of a problem than McCain's or Kerry's, both of whom had many similar issues. Part of this is the recession. Part, however, is the focused awareness of the general public, of which a significant proportion has been created by the OWS.

In April, Romney's going to put out a tax form which says he had, at best, a 15% overall tax rate, at the same time he's pushing lower taxes for the top.

348 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:52:21am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

Up on the old Bluff Street, now under a Duquesne parking lot. Lived next to Chartier's Creek for while, near where it dumps into the Ohio at Neville Island. Nothing can kill me now.

Probably safer up there as compared to the industrial sites right along the river. The last place I worked in Pittsburgh was 40' off the Mon in old LTV turf. I presume if you dug down 8-10' past the remediation layer there would be lots of fun stuff there.

Digging in the backyard of where I used to live in Oakland would turn up all sorts of debris. Bricks, glass, and we even found an entire wooden door once.

349 allegro  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:53:23am

re: #346 wrenchwench

Our kittehs have a screened and roofed 4' cube that's attached at the bedroom window. They spend hours out there every day, no matter how cold it is. We've started to feed bird right outside of it. Better than TV! We call it the Furanda.

LOL You just reminded me that I forgot to "turn on Buddy's TV" which means opening the Roman shades behind the sofa so my bad boy terrier can get up there and look out. Living in an RV resort means there's always dog/cat/human action for him to enjoy.

350 Alouenghazi  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:54:04am

re: #329 lawhawk

Those transcripts are the most damning bit of evidence against the captain; he simply didn't stay with the ship during the critical moments as the crew struggled to get passengers off the ship.

Tripping and falling into a lifeboat is his excuse for not being on the ship? That's his excuse? That makes no sense whatsoever, and it again ignores that he could have returned to the ship to help with the rescue effort.

Then again, it is possible that despite the captains mistakes in guiding the ship as close as he did - causing the accident, his later actions to ground the ship may have saved some additional number of lives. We'll have to wait for a full investigation and review of records to see what transpired.

Besides all the craziness with the captain, this particular disaster shows the need to better review disaster preparation/evacuation procedures on the ships - crews need to understand what to do and how to keep tabs of passengers and crews as they leave the ship.

The Guardian says, "He panicked! Wouldn't you?"

Uh, Dear Guardian: that's why a cruise ship captain gets paid the big bucks, you know, because he's supposed to have the skills and training to respond calmly in an emergency.

For an example of how a commanding captain of a craft is expected to respond: Chesley Sullenberger. (sorry for the blog pimp, but Google and Wiki are down and I needed a quick link)

351 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:56:46am

re: #348 oaktree

Lived in Oakland for a while, too, near the Isaly's plant. Mom was bad about paying the rent.

352 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:58:23am

re: #350 Alouette

The Guardian says, "He panicked! Wouldn't you?"

Uh, Dear Guardian: that's why a cruise ship captain gets paid the big bucks, you know, because he's supposed to have the skills and training to respond calmly in an emergency.

For an example of how a commanding captain of a craft is expected to respond: Chesley Sullenberger. (sorry for the blog pimp, but Google and Wiki are down and I needed a quick link)

And we know Gavin MacLeod wouldn't have panicked! Maybe just complained about the fuel system leaking diesel all over the place.
;)

353 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:59:09am

Communists and anarchists chanting "fuck the police" (among other things)
‘Occupy’ goes to Washington [Video]

354 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 10:00:13am

re: #351 Decatur Deb

Lived in Oakland for a while, too, near the Isaly's plant. Mom was bad about paying the rent.

Ah. I was living over on Bellefield in the 80s. That location is now a parking lot as well. :p

355 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 10:02:58am

re: #354 oaktree

Ah. I was living over on Bellefield in the 80s. That location is now a parking lot as well. :p

This was the 40s/50s. The row of old houses on the Bluff sat as ruins for a long while, made a great archaeological playground for our pre-school gang.

356 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 10:12:13am

re: #331 iossarian

In the UK, they pronounce Jaguar "Jag-you-are", as opposed to "Jag-waar".

As for corrosion, the old Jags would corrode if you showed them a picture of a glass of water, but I think they've ironed out most of the quality issues now.

The Mk II Jag used in the Inspector Morse series was astounding. A close variant (Daimler) showed up here in Alabama. I'm still waiting for Inspector Lewis to come across the old Jag and take it over.

357 AK-47%  Wed, Jan 18, 2012 10:35:41am

re: #317 Obdicut

They're just rejecting the route, not the concept.

Unfortunately.

But the spin is that he is rejecting America's energy future...


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