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1 freetoken  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 10:25:34pm

One thing to note is that Nate is not using the latest PPP poll (because, I suppose, the numbers aren't out officially yet), which according to the PPP twitter feed shows Newt with a much smaller lead.

2 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 10:27:17pm

Doubly bad news, as it also looks like Santorum might finish poorly enough to consider bowing out. And without him there on stage, it becomes a slugging match between Newt and Romney, one which he is simply not equipped to handle.

3 Jerk  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 10:44:42pm

I still see this as a prolonged fight with Romney coming out on top eventually (but still losing to Obama). When is the convention, August? We still have a ways to go.

4 Robert O.  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 10:48:08pm

Adultery? Open Marriage? Character? Hypocrisy? Who cares! The GOP base would vote for any crook, any cretin, any misfit, so long as he promises to bash gays and hate Obama.

5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 10:48:22pm

re: #3 Jerk

I still see this as a prolonged fight with Romney coming out on top eventually (but still losing to Obama). When is the convention, August? We still have a ways to go.

I agree. Too soon to tell, too soon to say.

6 Robert O.  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 10:50:55pm

BTW, I would NOT be surprised if between now and the Florida primary, Mitt Romney has another strategically timed "epiphany", renounces Mormonism and embraces evangelical Christianity. The GOP base would lap it up like flies to honey.

7 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:04:39pm

How negative can Romney really go against the bog monster? I mean, Newt's body is primarily made up of rotting vegetation and old railroad ties, it'll just absorb whatever dirt Romney's PACs throw at him and feast on it.

The Ging was damageable when there were other viable non-Romney's running, but now he's down to Santorum and Paul, one a disgusting joke and the other a demonic goblin that aims to steal the GOP's firstborn unless they can correctly guess his real name. With Romney finding it almost impossible to break through his 30% ceiling he may be well and truly fucked.

I hope this does drag on as long as possible though. Because next to facing Gingrich the best outcome is if Romney solidifies the nomination after a long hellish battle, only by winning delegates in states like California, Vermont & Washington which the GOP can't win in the general, and Virginia where Newt won't be on the ballot.

8 dragonath  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:09:07pm

I don't think Romney's gonna have much luck trying to out-Newt ol' Gingrich himself. People can sense his desperation from miles away.

re: #6 Robert O.

!!!

If that happens, I hope he grows a cool goatee because then I'll know I've been transported to a parallel universe.

9 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:16:19pm

They're... they're not really going to do this, are they?

10 freetoken  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:20:12pm
11 Lidane  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:20:20pm

re: #9 JasonA

They're... they're not really going to do this, are they?

If Gingrich wins Florida, the Republican establishment in DC is going to start mainlining Xanax. Or they're going to pay lip service to a Newt candidacy while sending all their opposition research to Obama.

12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:22:20pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

I hope this does drag on as long as possible though.

Agreed with this, too. Keep them on ther toes, defensive, and even more anxiety-ridden than ever.

13 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:27:14pm

re: #11 Lidane

Food Stamp President. Food Stamp President. And people are voting for him. Mein Gott...

14 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:27:28pm

re: #11 Lidane

If Gingrich wins Florida, the Republican establishment in DC is going to start mainlining Xanax. Or they're going to pay lip service to a Newt candidacy while sending all their opposition research to Obama.

At this point, their only hope is that they can somehow keep Santorum viable into April, taking the edge off further Newt victories. If he does call it quits after Florida, then it's Newt and Romney. And like frank said, there's simply no way Romney can go mean enough and nasty enough to edge out Newt, even with his Super PACs doing the heavy lifting.

15 Raccoon City  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 11:38:47pm

re: #6 Robert O.

BTW, I would NOT be surprised if between now and the Florida primary, Mitt Romney has another strategically timed "epiphany", renounces Mormonism and embraces evangelical Christianity. The GOP base would lap it up like flies to honey.

That seems pretty unlikely, but given what's happened so far this campaign season I wouldn't be all that surprised either if Mitt gets desperate enough to try a stunt like that. You just know some campaign consultant somewhere has a plan all drawn up to renounce all the un-evangelical differences between Mormonism and evangelical Christianity and state that he totally always believed in only the things that the two religions have in common the whole time (so they're basically the same after all so no big deal right everyone?)

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:00:41am

I don't know if it's been posted, but what the heck.

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Josh Marshall January 22, 2012, 8:10 PM 876

As you can see Romney went to town on Newt Gingrich this evening in a newly aggressive stump speech taking Newt to task on pretty much all the signature Gingrich failings. But beyond the generally tough demeanor, there’s another meta-message: I can dog whistle and bloody Obama as well as Newt, or I know bitch-slap politics as well as the next guy. So don’t be worried that I won’t be ready for that epochal debate. Mitt’s new line is that we want someone in the White House who has “had a job” before. Unlike President Obama, who apparently has never had a job before?

“I think it’s time we had someone in the White House who knows how to create jobs because he’s had a job.”

So President Obama, the self-made man, has never had a job before, unlike Mitt Romney, the guy born into the highest realms of wealth and power. That’s where we’re going.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:10:09am

A bit more on dogwhistles:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

18 krypto  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:10:48am

Good Lord! Newt Gingrich in the lead in Florida and closing in on Romney?
It's hard to believe the GOP is doing this to itself.

19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:11:17am

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

I don't know if it's been posted, but what the heck.

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

The thing the white-is-right right is still to stupid to realize after all these generations is everything they are doing right now -- e.g. the tea party, obama-is-a-monkey pickets, voting for candidates who label him a Luo Tribesman who hates the Brits, etc. -- is quite vindicating.

They can fool their own dupes all of the time, but...

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:15:18am

re: #18 krypto

Good Lord! Newt Gingrich in the lead in Florida and closing in on Romney?
It's hard to believe the GOP is doing this to itself.

Not only I can believe it, I enjoy it.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:16:50am

And he has been corrected on it too:
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

Romney also suggested that Obama has never had a job, but that's clearly not true.

Romney, Aug. 11: He just doesn't understand how the economy works, because he hasn't lived in the real economy. I think in order to create jobs, it's helpful to have had a job.

Normally, the criticism of Obama is that he has never managed a business — a point Romney made earlier this year when saying, "I like President Obama, but he doesn't have a clue how jobs are created." But in the Republican debate, Romney went too far in implying Obama hasn't had a job.

Obama's low-paid work as a community organizer with public housing residents in Chicago has been well-documented. The man who recruited Obama told U.S. News & World Report that he was hired at $10,000 a year, with another $2,000 allowance to get a car.

After graduating from law school, Obama taught at the University of Chicago Law School and worked as a lawyer for the Chicago firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland. And, of course, Obama spent several years in public service as a state senator before becoming a U.S. senator and then president, the "job" for which Romney is now applying.

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:18:25am

If being a President isn't a job, then Romney is running for having a 4-year vacation.

23 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:19:11am

Nate Silver’s Florida Projections: Gingrich 66%, Romney 32%

i'll take Holy Shit! for $500, alex...

24 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:22:09am

re: #20 Sergey Romanov

Not only I can believe it, I enjoy it.

fortunately, you have to win elections in this country to be president. there's nobody appointing losers of elections chancellor on the theory that racist rabble-rousers will be easy to control that way

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:29:00am

To truly appreciate family values, a President has to have been married. Not necessarily only once, but the marriage had to be monogamous. Wink wink nudge nudge.

hurr hurr hurr
derp

26 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:29:21am

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

And he has been corrected on it too:
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

Thing is, it doesn't matter whether or when Obama went to work for whomever, where ever.

As long as he is not one of their blacks, i.e., who does not permit himself to be controlled by them, he doesn't know what a job is, is a crack smoking pimp on welfare and Michelle is his angry woman babymama, and yet isn't REALLY Black, like Herman Cain is.

Those are the two choices in white-is-right rwnj conservatism: you consent to be owned by the party of lincoln, or else they'll tell you you're on a plantation.

27 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:34:27am

Although this old nugget shows that Romney does like to lie about people around him having had no jobs:

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

28 dragonath  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:36:21am

An "Americans for Prosperity" ad showed up while I was watching videos on Youtube. It's a 30 second spot about... Solyndra!

I can't even watch cartoons anymore without garbage like this showing up.

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:37:25am

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

However, with Obama it was pointed and explicit.

30 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:51:22am

newest florida poll on Real Clear Politics, taken 5 days after the previous one...

Insider Advantage 1/22 - 1/22 557 LV, moe 4.0

gingrich 34%
romney 26%
paul 13%
santorum 11%

holy holy shit shit!

if this continues the GOP will be done and did as a political force before the summer is over...

31 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:03:25am

if newt beats mitt in the primaries, the republican party will suffer a newtpocalypse. it will die from a newtronic implosion. it will be newtered. it will have newtpoplexy and bleed from its ears. it will.... it will... oh fuck

32 researchok  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:24:17am

Morning, all

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:24:53am

re: #32 researchok

Morning, all

Good afternoon.

34 researchok  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:34:41am

re: #33 Sergey Romanov

Good afternoon.

The sun never sets on the empire....never mind...

//

35 researchok  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:35:20am

How's the Russian Winter where you are?

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:42:49am

re: #35 researchok

How's the Russian Winter where you are?

Extra cold today.

37 researchok  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:44:51am

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

Snow?

38 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:50:17am
39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:52:32am

re: #37 researchok

Snow?

Not falling, only on the street.

40 researchok  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:58:01am

re: #39 Sergey Romanov

There is snow and there is snow.

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:04:05am

Gus, if you're reading, I'm glad you changed your mind on the importance of SOPA ;)

42 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:35:27am

re: #41 Sergey Romanov

Gus, if you're reading, I'm glad you changed your mind on the importance of SOPA ;)

SOPA makes me hungry.

Image: sopas-jorges.jpg

43 boxhead  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:44:17am

re: #42 Obdicut

SOPA makes me hungry.

Image: sopas-jorges.jpg

Normally sopas is soup. Sopes is what your picture is..

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Now I am hungry too... LOL

44 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:57:40am

re: #43 boxhead

I really ought to learn Spanish. That's definitely one of my before-I'm-forty goals.

45 boxhead  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:01:22am

re: #44 Obdicut

me too... but I am quite a bit past that date... LOL Oh and the key to a great sopes is the fresh masa... mmmmmmmmm goodness.. :)

47 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:48:33am

The testers have entered no bugs on my title.

I that because I got everything absolutely right the first time, and they're simply stunned by my majesty?

Or did the communication from the producer get fucked up and they haven't even started yet?

Maybe they're all just playing Calvinball.

48 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:00:34am

My wife got to meet this amazing couple. Great story. Sad story. Great story.


[Link: well.blogs.nytimes.com...]

49 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:01:10am

Morning all,
Visiting daughters in the Birmingham area. A tornado has
passed north of Dau 1, and the next is to pass south of Dau 2, where we are staying. This is almost the exact path of last year's storms. Repairs to those towns are still not complete.

50 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:04:43am

re: #48 Obdicut

Strong couple. Made for each other.

51 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:13:44am

re: #50 EdDantes

She is doing very well right now, actually. Which is fucking amazing.

[Link: familybondingtime.blogspot.com...]

She's in remission.

Now, obviously, it's highly likely the cancer will re-occur within a few years. But she's fought a hell of a fight.

My wife says they were just the most grounded couple she's met.

52 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:17:52am

Newt has found a way to articulate the rage a lot of people feel and to direct it at Obama. That is something that Mitt cannot do, because a lot of people just see him as a white, Mormon Obama.

I hate to think that Newt might be ble to ride this rail all the way to the nomination...

53 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:35:49am

News (or maybe it's not?) for the Holocaust-denier-deniers out there:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

54 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:50:25am

Huh. J. J. Abrams is making a new series. I'd have figured after the completely stupid ending of Lost people would be kind of turned off by him, even if they liked the histrionics of the show in general.

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:55:01am

re: #53 iossarian

Thanks. Not news, of course.

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:55:54am

re: #54 Obdicut

You mean Alcatraz? First episode was really good.

57 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:02:19am

re: #55 Sergey Romanov

Thanks. Not news, of course.

No, but it's good to see something like that which is A) mainstream and B) presented without any kind of "some people say" equivocation.

58 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:03:39am

re: #28 dragonath

An "Americans for Prosperity" ad showed up while I was watching videos on Youtube. It's a 30 second spot about... Solyndra!

I can't even watch cartoons anymore without garbage like this showing up.

I get Spam emails from AFP. I don't block them because they are always good for a giggle, and tells me who to vote or not vote for (the opposite of whatever it is that AFP is seething about)

59 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:04:39am

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You mean Alcatraz? First episode was really good.

Yeah, the first episode of Lost seemed really nifty. Then I got frustrated by the glacial pace and how it couldn't make up its mind whether it was sci-fi or not. Then it became deeply silly spiritual hoo-ha. They openly admit to just changing shit around during the first season. It's too bad, it seemed like it had a lot of promise.

60 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:05:42am

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You mean Alcatraz? First episode was really good.

I liked the first episode, but I suspect they are saving all the explanations for how/why convicted criminals are being time-traveled, for the season/series finale, by which time it will have become so convoluted I won't be watching anymore.

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:06:25am

Happy Chinese New Year.

Welcome to the "Year of the Dragon".

62 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:07:25am

Morning all!

another slow night?

How is everyone?

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:07:37am

re: #60 Alouette

yeah... kind of what he did with (insert any Abrams' show-name here).

64 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:08:00am

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Happy Chinese New Year.

Welcome to the "Year of the Dragon".

I was born in the year of the Dragon --many moons ago. . . .

Is 2012 going to be a special year for me?

65 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:08:31am

Oh and another thing that just bothers me about Alcatraz, and Hollywood in general, there is always a starring role for the fat guy, but rarely anything for a fat girl. Jonah Hill, Seth Rogen, Zach Whateverhisnameis, all get starring roles, when was the last time a fat chick was the star? Besides Queen Latifah?

66 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:09:57am

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was not only born in the Year of the Dragon, but the Year of the Fire Dragon. Apparently I'm supposed to be some wild luck-fountain.

67 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:10:08am

I would love to see Newt get the nomination and be obliterated by Obama, because then the GOP just might realize they need to be a little more sane and rational if they ever want the Presidency again.

68 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:10:54am

re: #65 Alouette

Oh and another thing that just bothers me about Alcatraz, and Hollywood in general, there is always a starring role for the fat guy, but rarely anything for a fat girl. Jonah Hill, Seth Rogen, Zach Whateverhisnameis, all get starring roles, when was the last time a fat chick was the star? Besides Queen Latifah?

And Gabourey Sidibe.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:12:43am

re: #66 Obdicut

You a "Bicentennial" baby?

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:13:49am

Goodness... Alabama is getting hammered right now.

71 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:14:39am

Good morning Lizards.

Freezing rain warning overnight here in Philly, so things are a bit rink-like in places around the city. Foggy, drizzly, and that bone-chilling cold damp.

Time to settle in and work on project tasks. First go-live of the year is next Wednesday.

And a Happy Year of the Dragon to one and all. And may the Century of the Anchovy continue to be good for the Lizards as well.

72 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:15:32am

re: #71 oaktree

Good morning Lizards.

Freezing rain warning overnight here in Philly, so things are a bit rink-like in places around the city. Foggy, drizzly, and that bone-chilling cold damp.

Time to settle in and work on project tasks. First go-live of the year is next Wednesday.

And a Happy Year of the Dragon to one and all. And may the Century of the Anchovy continue to be good for the Lizards as well.

Thank you! and for you too!

73 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:15:40am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You a "Bicentennial" baby?

Yep. I have a lot of bicentennial coins that were given as birth-presents.

And a porcelain rabbit, for some reason.

74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:15:52am

re: #66 Obdicut

I was not only born in the Year of the Dragon, but the Year of the Fire Dragon. Apparently I'm supposed to be some wild luck-fountain.

heh. I am a Wood Dragon personnally. :)

A friend of mine's wife is a Fire Dog. O_O

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:16:04am

re: #57 iossarian

I'm a bit pissed about the tones of the articles I've seen about these excavations. The first reports in Daily Mail and Independent were in the "at last deniers will be refuted!" vein. Here we read:

Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls.

But there were no doubts about the existence of the graves ever.

76 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:19:15am

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

I'm a bit pissed about the tones of the articles I've seen about these excavations. The first reports in Daily Mail and Independent were in the "at last deniers will be refuted!" vein. Here we read:

But there were no doubts about the existence of the graves ever.

Is it fair to say that people weren't sure exactly where the graves and remains were located though?

I agree that isn't the same thing as doubting the existence of the graves.

77 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:19:57am

re: #74 oaktree

heh. I am a Wood Dragon personnally. :)

A friend of mine's wife is a Fire Dog. O_O

Sounds like you and your friend's wife should get together.

/

78 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:20:19am

re: #74 oaktree

The month and day and even hour you're born get a sign too, all of which are important, but for some reason people in the West only pay attention to the year sign.

It's all a bunch of hocus, of course, but I think the animal stuff is more fun than the western zodiac. Honestly, which is more fun, being a metal pig or being a 'water-bearer'?

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:20:23am

re: #65 Alouette

Melissa McCarthy?

Sara Ramírez (Whom I find very attractive)?

Off the top of my head... there are two very accomplished actresses.

80 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:22:25am

re: #77 iossarian

Sounds like you and your friend's wife should get together.

/

Heh. In certain circles a female Fire Dog is held to be *very* bad luck. As in supposedly parents would expose the child rather than raise it.

Hmm, being Chinese New Year I guess I should put the battery into the Maneki Neko in my cubicle as a celebratory gesture.

81 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:23:01am

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

I'm a bit pissed about the tones of the articles I've seen about these excavations. The first reports in Daily Mail and Independent were in the "at last deniers will be refuted!" vein. Here we read:

But there were no doubts about the existence of the graves ever.

When it comes to the existence of a supernatural being who created man out of mud and woman out of ribs, virgins giving birth and dead people rising up and walking, then there is no doubt, they will trust the words written in a 2-000+ year-old book.

But when it comes to the Holocaust, global warming or Obama's place of birth, there can never, ever be enough proof

82 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:25:28am

re: #78 Obdicut

The month and day and even hour you're born get a sign too, all of which are important, but for some reason people in the West only pay attention to the year sign.

It's all a bunch of hocus, of course, but I think the animal stuff is more fun than the western zodiac. Honestly, which is more fun, being a metal pig or being a 'water-bearer'?

Partially due to the year sign being popularly mentioned - and also put on the paper place mats in chinese restaurants! :)

That there is also the element cycle making it a sixty year repeating cycle is less known. But it does give me an excuse to collect dragons (Chinese or Western style) in a number of varying materials. Though my stone dragon is not very great. But there is a picture of me with a "great stone dragon" from the temple on Penang Island. :)

83 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:26:28am

re: #80 oaktree

Heh. In certain circles a female Fire Dog is held to be *very* bad luck. As in supposedly parents would expose the child rather than raise it.

Hmm, being Chinese New Year I guess I should put the battery into the Maneki Neko in my cubicle as a celebratory gesture.

Is there a web site where you can find out what your "Chinese birthday" is?

84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:26:37am

re: #81 ralphieboy

When it comes to the existence of a supernatural being who created man out of mud and woman out of ribs, virgins giving birth and dead people rising up and walking, then there is no doubt, they will trust the words written in a 2-000+ year-old book.

But when it comes to the Holocaust, global warming or Obama's place of birth, there can never, ever be enough proof

Can you offer proof to support that last statement?
/ ;)

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:26:52am

re: #81 ralphieboy

When it comes to the existence of a supernatural being who created man out of mud and woman out of ribs, virgins giving birth and dead people rising up and walking, then there is no doubt, they will trust the words written in a 2-000+ year-old book.

But when it comes to the Holocaust, global warming or Obama's place of birth, there can never, ever be enough proof

You're conflating things. We're not talking about fundies.

86 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:28:16am

re: #83 Alouette

Is there a web site where you can find out what your "Chinese birthday" is?

Good old Wiki will do.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

87 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:28:52am

re: #84 oaktree

Can you offer proof to support that last statement?
/ ;)

Ask Orly Taitz

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:29:40am

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

Fundies... Heh...

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:30:40am

re: #86 Obdicut

Yang Water Tiger....

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:32:47am

re: #76 iossarian

Is it fair to say that people weren't sure exactly where the graves and remains were located though?

I agree that isn't the same thing as doubting the existence of the graves.

Oh, sure. It's the injection of "doubt" where there was none that pisses me off. It basically gives a cart blanche for prior denial ("So, there was doubt, we were right!"). The simple fact is that ~800,000 people entered the camp and never left, this is amply documented; the witnesses among the Nazis, survivors and bystanders all testified about extermination; the post-war investigation found lots of remains, including a thick layer of ashes between Treblinka I and Treblinka II. That the exact number of graves or their exact borders are not known is neither here, nor there.

Also, note that strictly speaking this is not a stake through denial's heart. As I pointed out, the same results were obtained in Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor, which didn't sway the deniers. These finds won't sway them too, since by "graves found" it is not meant that 800,000 corpses were found - those were incinerated and ashes scattered. The pits were found, along with some remains. It's with the evidence enumerated above that this find is significant. Without this evidence we wouldn't know how many people died there or who they were.

91 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:39:22am

re: #90 Sergey Romanov

I poked my head in at AHF the other day and say Mr. Mills continuing strong.

What an asshole that guy is. As a Jew, he makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. He's one of the smart evil ones, but the creepy attitude he has towards Jews is just so threatening.

92 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:39:44am

re: #90 Sergey Romanov

Oh, sure. It's the injection of "doubt" where there was none that pisses me off. It basically gives a cart blanche for prior denial ("So, there was doubt, we were right!"). The simple fact is that ~800,000 people entered the camp and never left, this is amply documented; the witnesses among the Nazis, survivors and bystanders all testified about extermination; the post-war investigation found lots of remains, including a thick layer of ashes between Treblinka I and Treblinka II. That the exact number of graves or their exact borders are not known is neither here, nor there.

Also, note that strictly speaking this is not a stake through denial's heart. As I pointed out, the same results were obtained in Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor, which didn't sway the deniers. These finds won't sway them too, since by "graves found" it is not meant that 800,000 corpses were found - those were incinerated and ashes scattered. The pits were found, along with some remains. It's with the evidence enumerated above that this find is significant. Without this evidence we wouldn't know how many people died there or who they were.

The evidence doesn't fit their prejudiced view point and/or pet theories, therefore it doesn't exist (or has been forged and placed there.)

Unfortunately no great surprise there. Does make me wonder a little bit what evolutionary advantage there is to willful denial of this degree since homo sapiens appears to be at least partially hardwired to doing this sort of thing.

93 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:40:50am

Morning Lizardim. Lovely day to be at work, with the freezing rain last night followed up by a snowstorm in the early morning, just in time for rush hour. I'm surprised I bothered to drag myself in to work today, but I don't want to take too many days working at home, lest I be accused of not actually doing anything. Heh. As if I do anything when I'm in the office.

94 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:41:56am

re: #92 oaktree

Does make me wonder a little bit what evolutionary advantage there is to willful denial of this degree since homo sapiens appears to be at least partially hardwired to doing this sort of thing.

We were small, weak, horn and claw-less creatures with big, nasty enemies. it took a lot of denying the obvious just in order to believe that we would survive at all....

95 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:43:09am

re: #94 ralphieboy

We were small, weak, horn and claw-less creatures with big, nasty enemies. it took a lot of denying the obvious just in order to believe that we would survive at all...

Until that black smooth rock suggested picking up a thigh bone and smacking some tapirs with it. And it was all uphill/downhill from there.

96 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:44:26am

re: #86 Obdicut

Good old Wiki will do.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

My element is Yang Wood?

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:46:03am

Ok, help.

How do you hide the dashboard on the apple main screen?

98 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:46:08am

(I should note that I don't have any criticism Ms. Colls' work, it's both great and helpful. It's the sensationalistic and sometimes ignorant framing by journalists that I don't like. It's the same with every new fossil discovery, when you can expect the "missing link found at last!" headlines, no matter that the "missing link" concept is nonsensical, and such headlines basically refute all analogous headlines in the past.)

99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:46:31am

re: #96 ggt

My element is Yang Wood?

They didn't know how to construct a large wooden badger, so they settled for a different animal.

100 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:48:33am

If the GOP primary voters really ARE stupid enough to hand Gingrich the nomination, the November 2012 election results could very well look like the 1984 results, with Obama playing the role of Reagan and newt playing Walter Mondale.

101 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:49:54am

re: #97 ggt

Ok, help.

How do you hide the dashboard on the apple main screen?

Do you mean the dock?

For me the dashboard (weather, calculator and other widgets) is shown/hidden via F4 (or fn+F4 if you have the function key accelerators disabled).

102 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:50:23am

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

If the GOP primary voters really ARE stupid enough to hand Gingrich the nomination, the November 2012 election results could very well look like the 1984 results, with Obama playing the role of Reagan and newt playing Walter Mondale.

Honestly, I think that no matter who the GOP picks, the election is in the bag for Obama. If they pick Romney, the wingnuts will stay home and he's screwed. If they pick Newt, the wingnuts will vote for him but nobody else will, and I still believe they don't have enough votes to elect a President.

103 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:51:19am

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

If the GOP primary voters really ARE stupid enough to hand Gingrich the nomination, the November 2012 election results could very well look like the 1984 results, with Obama playing the role of Reagan and newt playing Walter Mondale.

Though I expect the rhetoric to be much more vicious than that of 1984.

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:52:38am

re: #101 iossarian

Do you mean the dock?

For me the dashboard (weather, calculator and other widgets) is shown/hidden via F4 (or fn+F4 if you have the function key accelerators disabled).

Yeah, that's it, the dock. Thanks!

I have a new game I am trying to play, but part of it is hidden by the dock. I can't play because I can't see the whole board. Actually, I can't see the whole board at all. I can't see a way to make it full-screen either. I can't get to the bottom of the board to resize it.

being old sucks.

105 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:54:00am

hitting f4 only brings the calculator and other tools to the front. It doesn't get rid of the dock.

106 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:55:02am

re: #104 ggt

Yeah, that's it, the dock. Thanks!

I have a new game I am trying to play, but part of it is hidden by the dock. I can't play because I can't see the whole board. Actually, I can't see the whole board at all. I can't see a way to make it full-screen either. I can't get to the bottom of the board to resize it.

being old sucks.

I go to the apple menu and then Dock -> Turn Hiding On/Off

(I also have it positioned on the right, via the same menu.)

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:58:37am

re: #106 iossarian

I go to the apple menu and then Dock -> Turn Hiding On/Off

(I also have it positioned on the right, via the same menu.)

ah, I moved it to the right.

Now, how do I get to the bottom of the game board screen to resize it? It is disappearing off the bottom of the screen.

thanks, again.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:59:54am

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

If the GOP primary voters really ARE stupid enough to hand Gingrich the nomination, the November 2012 election results could very well look like the 1984 results, with Obama playing the role of Reagan and newt playing Walter Mondale.

Mondale only got 13 more electoral votes than I did!

109 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:00:48am

re: #107 ggt

ah, I moved it to the right.

Now, how do I get to the bottom of the game board screen to resize it? It is disappearing off the bottom of the screen.

thanks, again.

Can you use the "maximize" button (the green "+" one) to resize the window to fit the screen?

110 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:02:24am

re: #109 iossarian

Can you use the "maximize" button (the green "+" one) to resize the window to fit the screen?

There is no green button. Only the red an yellow are colored. Where the green one would be it is a gray circle.

111 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:06:12am

Well...Nate's numbers must be good news considering the McCain bump Romney's got...oh, wait. That was just a three-day thing. My guess is that Romney's team realizes a lot of the Republican base blames McCain for Obama.

112 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:07:26am

The zombie Apocalypse is here!!
[Link: www.wtoc.com...]
I thought they wanted to eat brains, apparently, they wanted to vote.

113 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:07:58am

re: #110 ggt

There is no green button. Only the red an yellow are colored. Where the green one would be it is a gray circle.

Those dastardly user-interface-breaking programmers!

I'm out of suggestions I'm afraid...

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:08:37am

re: #113 iossarian

Those dastardly user-interface-breaking programmers!

I'm out of suggestions I'm afraid...

is ok, I'm thinking of going back to bed.

Dogs interrupted my night's sleep.

115 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:09:25am

re: #114 ggt

is ok, I'm thinking of going back to bed.

Dogs interrupted my night's sleep.

Did you tell them it wasn't their year yet?

116 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:39am

re: #113 iossarian

Those dastardly user-interface-breaking programmers!

I'm out of suggestions I'm afraid...

Alt-Spacebar will usually pop up the sizing menu at the top.

117 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:10:56am

Went into apple calibrate display, Now the game board is all broken-up.

HA!

118 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:11:29am

re: #116 darthstar

Alt-Spacebar will usually pop up the sizing menu at the top.

nope, but thanks.

119 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:11:52am

re: #117 ggt

Went into apple calibrate display, Now the game board is all broken-up.

HA!

Oh...it's an apple...you're on your own.

120 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:13:08am

re: #118 ggt

nope, but thanks.

try "command space" Apple had to invent their own fucking button for some reason.

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:13:40am

re: #120 darthstar

try "command space" Apple had to invent their own fucking button for some reason.

It brought-up something called "spotlight".

122 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:15:32am

re: #117 ggt

Went into apple calibrate display, Now the game board is all broken-up.

HA!

If you can't win SMASH THE BOARD!

123 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:15:44am

re: #121 ggt

It brought-up something called "spotlight".

Maybe close the lid and grab a book? It works for my wife when she has technical issues.

124 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:19:31am

re: #122 iossarian

If you can't win SMASH THE BOARD!

re: #123 darthstar

Maybe close the lid and grab a book? It works for my wife when she has technical issues.

eh, I think I'm just not awake enough.

I'll try again later. The brain works better after noon.

going back to bed, I think.

Have a great morning all!

125 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:46:07am

re: #102 thedopefishlives

Honestly, I think that no matter who the GOP picks, the election is in the bag for Obama. If they pick Romney, the wingnuts will stay home and he's screwed. If they pick Newt, the wingnuts will vote for him but nobody else will, and I still believe they don't have enough votes to elect a President.

Probably true

126 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:47:43am

re: #103 oaktree

Though I expect the rhetoric to be much more vicious than that of 1984.

I expect civility from the President and (if he gets the nod) Romney. If it is Gingrich, I could see the viciousness you are predicting happening.

127 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:48:22am

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mondale only got 13 more electoral votes than I did!

And nobody asked YOU about your tax returns

128 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:49:50am

re: #126 _RememberTonyC

I expect civility from the President and (if he gets the nod) Romney. If it is Gingrich, I could see the viciousness you are predicting happening.

Romney's first (?) anti-Obama ad contained Obama's words taken out of context to make him bad. Instead of apologizing his campaign said that the outrage is what they were looking for. Some civility. No doubt, they will continue in this mode.

129 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:51:59am

re: #128 Sergey Romanov

Romney's first (?) anti-Obama ad contained Obama's words taken out of context to make him bad. Instead of apologizing his campaign said that the outrage is what they were looking for. Some civility. No doubt, they will continue in this mode.

And Romney can personally act civil, but the PACs won't.

130 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:52:26am

Romney to release two years' taxes on Tuesday...just before the SOTU. Does he think that he can steal all the attention from the president (on Fox, sure)?

131 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:54:03am

re: #129 oaktree

And Romney can personally act civil, but the PACs won't.

Romney can't act civil. He can act entitled, petty, mean, bitter, and spoiled...but civil just looks fake on him.

132 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:54:34am

re: #130 darthstar

Romney to release two years' taxes on Tuesday...just before the SOTU. Does he think that he can steal all the attention from the president (on Fox, sure)?

Reverse that. He's hoping the SOTU will bury the release.

133 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:14am

re: #131 darthstar

Romney can't act civil. He can act entitled, petty, mean, bitter, and spoiled...but civil just looks fake on him.

He can act relatively civil. If you compare him to, say, Newt, he's practically a saint.

134 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:55:45am

re: #131 darthstar

Romney can't act civil. He can act entitled, petty, mean, bitter, and spoiled...but civil just looks fake on him.

So you think the key to derailing him is to wave a weak looking small corporation under his nose at just the right time?
/

135 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:56:51am

re: #132 kirkspencer

Reverse that. He's hoping the SOTU will bury the release.

It will, for 24 hours. But the taxes will come up in Thursday's debate...hopefully in the form of a "You only released two years...what are you trying to hide?" question from one of the other candidates.

136 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 6:58:04am

re: #134 oaktree

So you think the key to derailing him is to wave a weak looking small corporation under his nose at just the right time?
/

Squirrel!

137 bratwurst  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:01:11am

re: #130 darthstar

Romney to release two years' taxes on Tuesday...just before the SOTU. Does he think that he can steal all the attention from the president (on Fox, sure)?

As it will only cover the last two years he has been running for president, this release is destined to be utterly meaningless.

138 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:03:37am

re: #137 bratwurst

As it will only cover the last two years he has been running for president, this release is destined to be utterly meaningless.

And he doesn't already know this? It's the most bullshit game he can play. And now he'll get to claim he "released them" while people continue to say "we want the rest"...Mitt's an idiot.

139 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:09:32am

re: #138 darthstar

And he doesn't already know this? It's the most bullshit game he can play. And now he'll get to claim he "released them" while people continue to say "we want the rest"...Mitt's an idiot.

As others have noted, he's playing the wrong side of the scandal game. Newt, by the way, is playing it the right way.

You've got negatives that are either on the cusp of release or just being exposed? Go open, and then go aggressive on those who want to wallow in them. "Hey, I did them. They're there. And they're PAST." The alternative turns into a steady drip... drip... drip that never lets people get past them.

Mitt went from refusing to saying he'd release the 2011 in April to saying he'll release 2010 and 2011 Tuesday... And people are going to say Newt and Clinton and his father all released at least a decade, where's his problem?

Idiot.

140 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:13:46am
141 steve_davis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:17:18am

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

How negative can Romney really go against the bog monster? I mean, Newt's body is primarily made up of rotting vegetation and old railroad ties, it'll just absorb whatever dirt Romney's PACs throw at him and feast on it.

The Ging was damageable when there were other viable non-Romney's running, but now he's down to Santorum and Paul, one a disgusting joke and the other a demonic goblin that aims to steal the GOP's firstborn unless they can correctly guess his real name. With Romney finding it almost impossible to break through his 30% ceiling he may be well and truly fucked.

I hope this does drag on as long as possible though. Because next to facing Gingrich the best outcome is if Romney solidifies the nomination after a long hellish battle, only by winning delegates in states like California, Vermont & Washington which the GOP can't win in the general, and Virginia where Newt won't be on the ballot.

Gingrich is a Level Boss. He's almost impossible to bring down with magic, but if you get a couple of tanks in close, and have the healer top them off from time to time, he can be brought down. And he comes with all kinds of loot that he picked up at Tiffany's!

142 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:18:10am

The Republicans over at the RealClearPolitics comments are drinking rich roasted cups of denial this morning. Spraying on self delusion deodorant before they start their day.

143 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:20:52am

Security forces arrest 2 Hamas activists in east Jerusalem

The Jerusalem Police and Shin Bet arrested Muhammad Tutah and Khaled Abu-Arfa – both Hamas activists from east Jerusalem.

The two hid for a year-and-a-half in a Red Cross building in the east Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah after their Israeli ID was revoked by the Interior Ministry due to their involvement in terror activities.

Wow.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:28:43am

re: #132 kirkspencer

Reverse that. He's hoping the SOTU will bury the release.

Bingo.

145 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:32:41am

What excellent news to wake up to on a Monday.

146 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:42:23am

re: #142 prairiefire

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

147 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:45:12am

And Obama isn't even campaigning yet

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:47:51am

The book I'm listening to is Robert Redford's biography. The narrator sounds precisely like Redford. Personally, I think that was a poor choice. Every time the narrator reads something complimentary about Redford it sounds like Bob is saying it, and it just sounds so fucking arrogant.

Watching Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid on Netflix. Was just thinking... I've never seen the movie "All the President's Men".

That's just not right.

Welcome to my ramble.

149 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:49:49am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Welcome to my ramble.

I like what you've done with the place.

150 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:50:18am

re: #142 prairiefire

OT: did you see this comment KT posted last night?

have no desire to dredge up this unpleasant subject again, but I remember you corresponded with the person in question and feel you should know about this potential breach of your trust/privacy

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:51:53am

re: #149 Obdicut

I like what you've done with the place.

Ever seen Ellen DeGenerous do a ramble? It's beautiful.

Paula Poundstone does it too, but Ellen puts me on the floor every damn time.

152 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:52:56am

re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eddie Izzard is the best rambler. His brain is a goddamn wonderland.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:53:24am

re: #142 prairiefire

re: #150 publicityStunted

Yes, take this seriously. The person in question has gone a 110% creepy stalker intent on releasing private information about his former pen-pals.

154 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:54:17am

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

Since there's no way to prove the veracity of any emails he reveals, I don't think it's that big a deal. He could just lie his ass off, and there's no way of checking.

155 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:54:26am

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

re: #150 publicityStunted

Yes, take this seriously. The person in question has gone a 110% creepy stalker intent on releasing private information about his former pen-pals.

Shit, I was even going to buy some jewelry from him. So glad I didn't because then he would have my PayPal account name.

156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:55:35am

re: #154 Obdicut

Since there's no way to prove the veracity of any emails he reveals, I don't think it's that big a deal. He could just lie his ass off, and there's no way of checking.

It's no consolation for those whose personal data (names, addresses...) could be released.

157 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:58:25am

re: #152 Obdicut

Eddie Izzard is the best rambler. His brain is a goddamn wonderland.

Alexei Sayle was good at this too. Also, impeccable left-wing credentials!

158 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:58:34am

re: #156 Sergey Romanov

It's no consolation for those whose personal data (names, addresses...) could be released.

True. He might have those, and I feel bad for anyone who does. He was always offering people meteorites, pushing his jewelry, etc. Creepy, in retrospect. I hope what he has is minimal.

Other than that, he probably just wants drama and attention.

159 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:59:27am
160 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 7:59:45am

re: #158 Obdicut

True. He might have those, and I feel bad for anyone who does. He was always offering people meteorites, pushing his jewelry, etc. Creepy, in retrospect. I hope what he has is minimal.

Other than that, he probably just wants drama and attention.

Is there a requirement to grow/acquire a goatee before appearing over there?
///

161 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:00:40am

re: #159 Alouette

Whoa: Rand Paul in TSA standoff in Nashville.

Speaking of someone wanting drama and attention.

162 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:01:33am

re: #159 Alouette

Whoa: Rand Paul in TSA standoff in Nashville.

iboudreau Ian Boudreau
TSA will release Sen. Rand Paul as soon as they determine whether the creature he's smuggling on his head needs to be quarantined.

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:02:10am

re: #158 Obdicut

Even the rest of the stalkers were aghast (or, rather, pretended to be so) when he threatened to out people. This needs to be seen to be believed, so I will give just one snippet. I apologize for quoting from there, but this is an exceptional situation:

If you want to start playing hardball… then I go for the personal information… and there are a ton of you Lizards that AREN’T public like I am… and they would shit if I went rogue. Do you think I was collecting information for 8 years just because I wanted to fill up my inbox. I could see that you were a backstabber way back.

164 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:02:17am

I think it would help Ron Paul's chances in the GOP primaries if he was arrested for carrying a loaded weapon across state lines.

165 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:02:27am

You have to be a pretty turrible agency to get me to agree with Rand Paul on anything more than the color of the sky.

166 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:05:24am

re: #163 Sergey Romanov

Even the rest of the stalkers were aghast (or, rather, pretended to be so) when he threatened to out people. This needs to be seen to be believed, so I will give just one snippet. I apologize for quoting from there, but this is an exceptional situation:

What in the living hell. Is he seriously saying that he gathered Lizards' personal information purely as an insurance policy against ever getting banished? What is it with people that they feel the need to be so boneheaded over a simple blog account?

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:05:54am

re: #166 thedopefishlives

What in the living hell. Is he seriously saying that he gathered Lizards' personal information purely as an insurance policy against ever getting banished? What is it with people that they feel the need to be so boneheaded over a simple blog account?

Yes. That's Walter L. Newton for you.

168 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:07:30am

re: #163 Sergey Romanov

"This is why I've been preparing to backstab lots of other people-- because you're a backstabber." Weird. It's like self-parody.

I've mentioned my real name on here several times. It's really not a big deal for me.

Funnily enough, I get mistaken for another internet dude frequently, this guy:

[Link: www.stumbleupon.com...]

He even lives in New York. I should look him up some time, ask him if he got the name from Shakespeare or The Invisibles.

169 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:08:22am

re: #168 Obdicut

Creepy is as creepy does.

170 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:08:50am

re: #150 publicityStunted

Um, I can't remember the name to go check. I know you can't post a link. What is it in pig latin?

171 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:10:10am

re: #167 Sergey Romanov

Yes. That's Walter L. Newton for you.

What a tool. I actually half-liked the guy before he left.

As far as my online identity, I use the same handle for pretty much everything. I could guarantee you anyone here could do a 5-second search and find out who I am, where I live, and probably call me on my cell phone, if they wanted. I'm honestly not concerned about it because 1) I have nothing to hide, and 2) if someone did decide to track me down and stalk me, they'd get more than they bargained for.

172 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:10:57am

re: #171 thedopefishlives

If someone did decide to track me down and stalk me, they'd get more than they bargained for.

Waffles?

173 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:11:07am

re: #170 prairiefire

I haven't sent him an email in quite awhile. I'm a pretty boring suburban housewife, I guess he would have my email and phone number.

174 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:11:43am

re: #172 Obdicut

Waffles?

This is Swedish country, Obdi. We serve lutefisk for breakfast./

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:11:53am

re: #166 thedopefishlives

What in the living hell. Is he seriously saying that he gathered Lizards' personal information purely as an insurance policy against ever getting banished? What is it with people that they feel the need to be so boneheaded over a simple blog account?

Yep. No surprise to me. He always seemed to be just barely keeping some kind of anger/rage under control & being a massive bully to do so. That's why I didn't mind in the least when he left.

176 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:13:14am

re: #174 thedopefishlives

I'm arresting you for possession of double-acting explosives; first it explodes in the oven and then it explodes in your ass.

177 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:14:16am

What I don't understand is the stalkers' obsession with this site. I mean, there are websites where I used to post 5 years ago that I don't go anymore, and I have no inclincation to go back there to check on what everyone else is doing.

178 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:14:21am

re: #176 Obdicut

I'm arresting you for possession of double-acting explosives; first it explodes in the oven and then it explodes in your ass.

The funny thing is, the Mrs. Fish says she actually likes the stuff. Me, I'm afraid to even be in the same room with it, let alone eat it.

179 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:14:54am

re: #173 prairiefire

I haven't sent him an email in quite awhile. I'm a pretty boring suburban housewife, I guess he would have my email and phone number.

If you want to actually see what he posted, perhaps you could ask Sergey. I don't look at the stalker site because my computers haven't been vaccinated.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:15:37am

If somebody gets my information and steals my identity; do they get my debt?

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:17:29am

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If somebody gets my information and steals my identity; do they get my debt?

Is there a lightbulb over your head? /

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:17:55am

re: #179 publicityStunted

He hasn't posted yet, only threatened.

183 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:18:07am

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If somebody gets my information and steals my identity; do they get my debt?

Do you have any outstanding warrants?

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:18:08am

re: #181 Sergey Romanov

Is there a lightbulb over your head? /

Pretty much...

185 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:19:03am

re: #177 Alouette

What I don't understand is the stalkers' obsession with this site. I mean, there are websites where I used to post 5 years ago that I don't go anymore, and I have no inclincation to go back there to check on what everyone else is doing.

It's kinda complicated, but what it boils down to is an entitlement mentality. They feel like they've somehow earned the right to post here, and Charles banning them is considered a personal affront that has to be redressed by going full-on psycho. Me, I've actually wandered away from LGF a few times during my membership - not out of dislike but out of forgetfulness. I just got too busy/lazy to keep commenting and eventually stopped coming here, then wandered back after some months.

186 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:19:22am

re: #177 Alouette

It's really freaking weird. I used to post on Fark. Fark got completely overrun by trolls. I stopped posting there. I can't even remember the names of posters from Fark. Why the fuck would I?

I like this place a lot, and it's fun to be here, but it is, in the end, just a website. Why people throw such a hissy-fit when they get banned I have no clue. There's no way of positioning it that isn't goddamn pathetic.

187 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:20:55am

Friday night we enjoyed fingerling potatoes, roasted in some olive oil, garlic and rosemary.

When you buy fingerling potatoes DO NOT BUY the "purple" ones. The light brown and red ones are great, but the purple ones look like...turds.

Food that look like a turd is not appetizing.

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:22:56am

I'm at the "Raindrops keep falling on my head" bicycle scene.

Bob Redford said (in the bio), "I had no idea what was going on there. It wasn't raining... the song had nothing to do with anything." But for a year, I couldn't turn around without hearing it.

(My opinion? I think it's a fine song, tailor made for BJ Thomas' voice.)

189 The Yankee  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:23:23am

I just want to double check something real quick. Didn't Da G-man leave both his wives while they were very sick and close to death? Or was it just the first one that was sick?

190 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:24:32am

re: #187 Alouette

Did you just roast them whole? The interior of purple potatoes are the more nifty parts to me.

191 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:25:18am

re: #186 Obdicut

It's really freaking weird. I used to post on Fark. Fark got completely overrun by trolls. I stopped posting there. I can't even remember the names of posters from Fark. Why the fuck would I?

I like this place a lot, and it's fun to be here, but it is, in the end, just a website. Why people throw such a hissy-fit when they get banned I have no clue. There's no way of positioning it that isn't goddamn pathetic.

See, people who are reasonable about the whole thing rarely get banned in the first place, because they don't do anything that is worthy of getting the stick. So you get into this interesting pattern where the majority of banned lizards become stalkers, because they were of that mental bent to begin with.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:25:26am

"Did you use enough dynamite there, Butch?"

heh

193 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:25:46am

re: #190 Obdicut

Did you just roast them whole? The interior of purple potatoes are the more nifty parts to me.

Aren't they supposed to be roasted whole?

DO NOT ROAST THE PURPLE ONES WHOLE.

194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:27:17am

re: #178 thedopefishlives

The funny thing is, the Mrs. Fish says she actually likes the stuff. Me, I'm afraid to even be in the same room with it, let alone eat it.

Just be careful to not ask it "Fish, fish, are you in duty?" in Swedish.
:)

195 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:27:24am

re: #193 Alouette

No, I generally boil them. This is one recipie I really like.

[Link: smittenkitchen.com...]

Roasted, I would think they might look odd.

196 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:29:25am

re: #187 Alouette

Friday night we enjoyed fingerling potatoes, roasted in some olive oil, garlic and rosemary.

When you buy fingerling potatoes DO NOT BUY the "purple" ones. The light brown and red ones are great, but the purple ones look like...turds.

Food that look like a turd is not appetizing.

I made a bacon-cheese strata for a get-together over the weekend. And ended up with the leftovers. So at this point I'm sorta of bread-egg-cheesed out. (Not the bacon though, never enough of that.)

197 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:29:39am

THis is the most hilarious thing ever. From a Cracked Article about strange way animals are adapting to Humans.

Probably the only thing you know about parrots and cockatoos is that they can talk. Or, more specifically, that they can mimic human speech. Now, unless they're shockingly gifted, they don't understand a word they're saying. But a 4-year-old doesn't know what the word "poontang" means, either, and that doesn't stop him from repeating it and getting all of the other preschoolers saying it. We're finding out that birds kind of do the same thing.

After all, the pets that are raised among humans and learn (or learn to imitate) dozens of words sometimes either escape or are released into the wild. Now, because birds in the wild have no need for human language, you'd think they'd stop using it once they managed to get loose. But you would be wrong. They keep using what they learned and, more importantly, teach it to other birds.

That's why people around Sydney, Melbourne and other big cities in Australia have found wild cockatoos using English phrases. Now ask yourself: If you had a bird that repeated whatever you said, what's the first thing you'd do? You'd start teaching it some goddamned swear words, that's what. Well, they do that in Australia, too. So, sometimes the birds have been heard cursing at people.

Now imagine how crazy you'd think you were going if one day you were walking through the woods and you suddenly heard a disembodied bird voice tell you to eat a dick.

The weirdest part is, if the domesticated birds stay with a wild flock long enough, the words become part of the flock's calls. Scientists say that the way the birds learn their own chirps and calls is similar to how babies learn to speak, so these new calls (i.e., "Hey, asshole!") are just added to their repertoire. We're literally corrupting the birds' own language.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:33:25am

re: #197 ProLifeLiberal

On an episode of "Life After People" they said that it would take several generations for human language to leave "talking birds"... because the sounds are meaningless.

I thought that was interesting.

199 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:33:39am

re: #197 ProLifeLiberal

THis is the most hilarious thing ever. From a Cracked Article about strange way animals are adapting to Humans.

Birds can also mimic sound effects, like toilet flushing, doorbell ringing, electronic beeping, car engine starting, etc.

200 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:34:35am

re: #199 Alouette

Birds can also mimic sound effects, like toilet flushing, doorbell ringing, electronic beeping, car engine starting, etc.

There was a mockingbird that hung out at the place I worked at that did a halfway decent imitation of an ambulance siren.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:35:21am

re: #189 The Yankee

I just want to double check something real quick. Didn't Da G-man leave both his wives while they were very sick and close to death? Or was it just the first one that was sick?

I don't think either were near death, I think the story has attained Urban Myth status.

But, I don't see wemmens flooding the voting booths for him, no I do not.

202 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:35:58am

re: #201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think either were near death, I think the story has attained Urban Myth status.

But, I don't see wemmens flooding the voting booths for him, no I do not.

Pam luvs her some Newt.

203 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:36:33am

re: #187 Alouette

Friday night we enjoyed fingerling potatoes, roasted in some olive oil, garlic and rosemary.

When you buy fingerling potatoes DO NOT BUY the "purple" ones. The light brown and red ones are great, but the purple ones look like...turds.

Food that look like a turd is not appetizing.

Upding for the rosemary. :)

The stuff rocks with chicken, potatoes, and a lot of other stuff. I'm surprised I have not reduced my potted one to a few twigs and a stump yet.

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:39:39am

re: #203 oaktree

Upding for the rosemary. :)

The stuff rocks with chicken, potatoes, and a lot of other stuff. I'm surprised I have not reduced my potted one to a few twigs and a stump yet.

Rosemary garlic pork tenderloins. My local meat market sells them fresh and pre-seasoned. They are, without a doubt, my favorite thing to buy there.

205 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:41:35am

re: #204 thedopefishlives

My mother makes an amazing leg of lamb, stuffed with garlic cloves into the skin, rosemary olive oil rubbed. God it's good.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:42:19am

Food thread, but I have to work! FUALL!!! ///

207 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:42:22am

EU approves Iranian oil embargo

Here we go. Guess I'd better fuel up.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:42:25am

Rand Paul is being detained by the TSA.

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:44:08am

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rand Paul is being detained by the TSA.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

210 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:44:19am

re: #205 Obdicut

My mother makes an amazing leg of lamb, stuffed with garlic cloves into the skin, rosemary olive oil rubbed. God it's good.

Whenever my parents come to visit, I've made it almost a tradition that we hop down to the meat market and pick out something to grill. 9 times out of 10, it's the rosemary garlic pork tenderloins. They're just too good to pass up.

211 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:44:53am

If the primary campaign lasts long enough for Massachusetts to be in play what chance some wits dress appropriately and appear at an event with a "Deep Ones for Gingrich" banner?

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:45:51am

re: #210 thedopefishlives

Whenever my parents come to visit, I've made it almost a tradition that we hop down to the meat market and pick out something to grill. 9 times out of 10, it's the rosemary garlic pork tenderloins. They're just too good to pass up.

What do you serve them with?

213 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:46:48am

re: #212 oaktree

What do you serve them with?

Depends on what we have in the house: Garlic mashed potatoes, seasoned French fries, assorted vegetables.

215 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:48:49am

re: #201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think either were near death, I think the story has attained Urban Myth status.

But, I don't see wemmens flooding the voting booths for him, no I do not.

You'd think evangelical Christians wouldn't flood the voting booths for a serial adulterer either, but come the general, they all will. Because, as they've said, the situation is so critical that they simply have to vote against the once-married heterosexual with two normal children before he destroys the moral fabric of America.

216 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:50:47am

re: #214 Summer

Tennessee Tea Party ‘Demands’ That References To Slavery Be Removed From History Textbooks

Exhibit A on the type of people who would choose Newt Gingrich for POTUS.

217 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:51:36am

On the economy and what is wrong-Okay don't listen to Occupy. How about Bill Moyers at his best?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

218 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:51:46am

re: #214 Summer

Tennessee Tea Party ‘Demands’ That References To Slavery Be Removed From History Textbooks

I'm sure they will also attribute the dispute between President Andrew Jackson and Senator Calhoun to a mild disagreement about tax rates.

219 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:52:33am

re: #215 Renaissance_Man

You'd think evangelical Christians wouldn't flood the voting booths for a serial adulterer either, but come the general, they all will. Because, as they've said, the situation is so critical that they simply have to vote against the once-married heterosexual with two normal children before he destroys the moral fabric of America.

Yep. And to vote against the once-married POTUS with two kids, they'd willingly vote for a serial adulterer and bombastic asshole that got tossed out of Congress over ethics charges just so they don't have to pull the lever for a Mormon.

220 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 8:59:57am

I'm thinking some people really don't like Mitt.

Romney Must Renounce "Mormon Hostility to Christianity"

Mormonism has always been at odds with Christianity and openly denies the Trinity and the gospel of grace.

As a Bishop in the Mormon Church, Romney is free to believe its strange doctrines, practice their Masonic rituals, even wear their sacred underwear, but Romney's Mormon beliefs are not Christian.

Historically Mormons have hated and insulted Christians beginning with its founder, the polygamous Joseph Smith who said he wanted to be the Mohammed of the Americas.

Romney hopes Christians fall for the lie they believe the same things we do.

221 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:00:13am

re: #219 Lidane

re: #215 Renaissance_Man

To the right-wing fundamentalist mind, there are three choices: Sooper-sekrit Muslim sharia agent Obama, Mormon front man Romney, or the nominally Christian sleazebag Gingrich. I think it's pretty obvious which of the three they'd vote for, no matter how big a sleazebag Newt is.

222 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:01:10am

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm thinking some people really don't like Mitt.

Romney Must Renounce "Mormon Hostility to Christianity"

I just can't imagine giving a shit.

These people live in a weird world, where whatever old stories you hear on Sunday mornings are relevant to how (and who) you want the country to be governed.

223 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:01:13am

re: #201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think either were near death, I think the story has attained Urban Myth status.

But, I don't see wemmens flooding the voting booths for him, no I do not.

Limbaugh repeated the "deathbed" error recently. Both women are still alive. One was being treated for cancer around the time of the divorce, the other was diagnosed with MS before the divorce.

re: #189 The Yankee

I just want to double check something real quick. Didn't Da G-man leave both his wives while they were very sick and close to death? Or was it just the first one that was sick?

Both sick, not near death though.

224 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:01:41am

Democratic Congressional Campaign Manager's Family Pet Killed, Painted With 'Liberal'

Can't find anything other than that link and a separate blog post that has a picture of the dead cat, so I guess it could be a hoax. Either way, what is it about politics that attracts lunatics?

225 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:03:29am

re: #224 negativ

Oh man if I caught the bastard that did that I'd wind up in big trouble. Long time jail trouble.

226 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:06:35am

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man if I caught the bastard that did that I'd wind up in big trouble. Long time jail trouble.

I was inconsolable when a cousin of my mom joked that she had sent my pet caterpillar down the garbage disposal*. If someone harmed one of my cats over politics, I would make him or her inconsolable.

*This was over 40 years ago. I have forgiven her.

227 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:07:29am

re: #215 Renaissance_Man

You'd think evangelical Christians wouldn't flood the voting booths for a serial adulterer either, but come the general, they all will. Because, as they've said, the situation is so critical that they simply have to vote against the once-married heterosexual with two normal children before he destroys the moral fabric of America.

How much does a bolt of moral fabric cost nowadays? And does it still require chlorine-based brain bleach to keep clean?
/

228 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:12:49am

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man if I caught the bastard that did that I'd wind up in big trouble. Long time jail trouble.

I'd take a page out of the Girl With the Dragon Tattoo and tag the fucker.

229 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:14:16am

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

Ditto.

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I resent Joesph Smith being compared to Mohammed (PBUH).

230 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:18:23am

re: #229 ProLifeLiberal

Why?

231 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:23:27am

re: #223 wrenchwench

Limbaugh repeated the "deathbed" error recently. Both women are still alive. One was being treated for cancer around the time of the divorce, the other was diagnosed with MS before the divorce.

re: #189 The Yankee

Both sick, not near death though.

Proving that being married to a newt isn't good for your health.

232 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:24:59am

Freepers are celebrating the latest polls showing Gingrich winning in Florida:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

The total lack of self-awareness is hilarious. They actually think Newt's going to revitalize conservatism or something.

233 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:25:21am

re: #230 Obdicut

Why?

Mohammed at least liked to party.

234 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:26:03am

re: #232 Lidane

Freepers are celebrating the latest polls showing Gingrich winning in Florida:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

The total lack of self-awareness is hilarious. They actually think Newt's going to revitalize conservatism or something.

Oh, he'll revitalize conservatism, alright. He'll turn it into a cesspool for racists, sexists, and other sorts of undesirable -ists.

235 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:28:11am

re: #233 darthstar

Mohammed at least liked to party.

Shows you know nothing about JS. ;)

236 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:28:51am

re: #234 thedopefishlives

Oh, he'll revitalize conservatism, alright. He'll turn it into a cesspool for racists, sexists, and other sorts of undesirable -ists.

Heh. The further I read into the comments, they're convinced that the outside blogs pointing out Newt's baggage are wrong, that Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter are RINOs who have lost their minds because Newt is doing well, and that Barack Obama is still somehow an untested, inexperienced novice.

They live in a completely different world.

237 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:29:41am

re: #235 Sergey Romanov

Shows you know nothing about JS. ;)

It could be said I know JS about JS.

238 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:29:46am

re: #236 Lidane

Heh. The further I read into the comments, they're convinced that the outside blogs pointing out Newt's baggage are wrong, that Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter are RINOs who have lost their minds because Newt is doing well, and that Barack Obama is still somehow an untested, inexperienced novice.

They live in a completely different world.

Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter are RINOs? Wow. Whatever they're smoking, I want some.

239 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:29:58am

Wow...
Mitt may lose in Florida? To Newt?

Didn't see that coming...

240 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:31:01am

re: #239 Varek Raith

Wow...
Mitt may lose in Florida? To Newt?

Didn't see that coming...

The more people get to know Mitt Romney, the less they like him. By June, he will be capable of losing to Sarah Palin.

241 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:32:06am

re: #239 Varek Raith


I didn't see that goddamn cupcake fad coming either.

242 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:32:20am

re: #241 Obdicut

I didn't see that goddamn cupcake fad coming either.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

243 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:33:00am

Heh...George Takei had a caption contest...

The winner.

244 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:33:48am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter are RINOs? Wow. Whatever they're smoking, I want some.

Yep. Anyone who likes Romney or who questions Newt is a RINO. I swear one person even called John Bolton a RINO. I laughed.

245 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:34:04am

re: #241 Obdicut

I didn't see that goddamn cupcake fad coming either.

You sound...
Bitter.
Have a cupcake.
:P

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:34:32am

re: #241 Obdicut

I didn't see that goddamn cupcake fad coming either.

I remember when cable tv first came out. I scoffed at the idea that someone would pay for television.

Yeah. I'm not what people would call... a visionary.

247 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:34:40am

re: #230 Obdicut

First of all, Joseph Smith was un-American. When a newspaper in Nauvoo criticized him, he ordered the Printing Press destroyed. He actively flouted the US Constitution.

Secondly, Joseph Smith was a man who had a history of fraud. Let's point out the fact that he was found guilty in New York of some crime involving a seer stone, not to mention the fact that the way the book was "translated" was a bit odd, though I will have to find it.

Granted, alot of my view of the Mormon Church only coalesced after the Prop 8 issue. Personally, I want the Mormon Church stripped of its tax-exempt status. There's alot more here, but I wanted to give a very quick response. I may make a page about my gripes.

248 zora  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:34:57am

re: #232 Lidane

Freepers are celebrating the latest polls showing Gingrich winning in Florida:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

The total lack of self-awareness is hilarious. They actually think Newt's going to revitalize conservatism or something.

the more the establishment says gingrich is a poor choice and unelectable, the more they love him.

249 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:35:12am

re: #244 Lidane

Yep. Anyone who likes Romney or who questions Newt is a RINO. I swear one person even called John Bolton a RINO. I laughed.

This. This right here, people. Proof that reality has finally jumped the shark.

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:37:16am

As an atheist, I will just point out that when Mormons criticize Islam on religious grounds or Muslims criticize LDS belief on religious grounds, they're both standing in glass houses.

251 zora  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:37:39am

re: #209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Link: www.politico.com...]

i hope he has contraband.

252 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:37:48am

re: #248 zora

the more the establishment says gingrich is a poor choice and unelectable, the more they love him.

Oh god, yes. Point out Newt's baggage and you're just playing into the MSM / "East Coast elites" lies about Gingrich pushed by RINOs and fake conservatives who are afraid to win.

It's hilarious that Newt Gingrich, a man who was tossed out of Congress by his own party on ethics charges, is now the paragon of True Conservatives and that anyone who questions him is a seekrit librul RINO.

253 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:38:56am

Big fuckin' jellyfish.

The Lions Mane Jellyfish is the largest jellyfish in the world. They have been swimming in arctic waters since before the dinosaurs (over 650 million years ago) and are among some of the oldest surviving species in the world. The largest can come in at about 6 meters and has tentacles over 50 meters long.

254 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:40:05am

re: #250 Sergey Romanov

My first point was entirely secular in nature.

255 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:40:05am

re: #250 Sergey Romanov

As an atheist, I will just point out that when Mormons criticize Islam on religious grounds or Muslims criticize LDS belief on religious grounds, they're both standing in glass houses.

I was trying to think how to word that, thanks.

I would like to add that as an American, criticizing any religion, or especially any founder of a religion, for being unAmerican makes me laugh.

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:40:36am

re: #254 ProLifeLiberal

My first point was entirely secular in nature.

I guess one could make secular points about Mohammed too.

257 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:41:39am

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

Mohammed led armies and killed a bunch of people. They're not really comparable in terms of the lives they led, but that wasn't the comparison. The comparison is just being a religious leader, I think.

Granted, alot of my view of the Mormon Church only coalesced after the Prop 8 issue. Personally, I want the Mormon Church stripped of its tax-exempt status. There's alot more here, but I wanted to give a very quick response. I may make a page about my gripes.

Sounds like more of your assholish group blame, actually. Joseph Smith died a long time ago. Prop 8 happened recently. And Muslims, in general, are not in favor of gay marriage either. So I've got no idea what that has to do with anything.

You're Muslim, I believe. You know what makes Muslims looks bad? Just pointlessly shit-talking other people's religion. You think Islam is great? Lead by example. Don't trash other people's religions in comparison to your own.

258 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:41:42am

There’s No GOP Cavalry Coming — It’s Too Late To Get On The Ballot

As Newt Gingrich surges in the polls against Mitt Romney, despite the fact that many observers think he would be a disaster for the GOP’s prospects, some Republican pundits have re-lit the flame for a new candidate to jump in and save them from a Mitt vs. Newt contest. But there is a serious problem with these fantasies: It is now impossible to get on the ballot in many states.

259 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:41:49am

re: #255 wrenchwench

Well, I can't think of another way to call it. He openly and flagrantly ignored and trampled the 1st Amendment.

260 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:45:41am
261 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:45:50am

re: #257 Obdicut

I see your point.

However, at least among the Muslims my age, a fair amount can accept Gay Marriage (Mostly the Women, for some strange reason. Aside from myself, many of the other men are close-minded).

262 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:47:25am

re: #259 ProLifeLiberal

Meh, that happened well before the 14th ammendmant was interpreted to incorporate 1st ammendmant rights. At the the time the 1st ammendmant only protected against federal attempts to restrict speech, and even then it was notably unsucessful. The federal government allowed southern postmasters to refuse to distribute abolitionist literature for example, leading to effective federal censorship in the south.

Joeseph Smith also wasn't much further out of line than several other religious or quasi-religious groups at the time. In the 1830s a man who had attempted to publish details of masonic rituals was arrested in New York, bailed out by the masons and then hanged. In boston leading members of protestant society organized a mob to burn down a convent and then prevented firefighters from approaching until the building had collapsed.

Smith wasn't nessesarily a nice person, but he ections were by no means worse than than the norm for that time period.

263 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:47:59am

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

Not cool.

264 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:48:26am

re: #260 Varek Raith

Image: 1234931504682.jpg

I'll look forward to Huckabee and Palin spending the next 4 years telling us how this batch fucked up everything.

265 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:48:39am

re: #262 BishopX

Holy shit, wasn't aware that was the norm for the period.

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:49:14am

re: #265 ProLifeLiberal

Holy shit, wasn't aware that was the norm for the period.

As I like to say, "everybody was an asshole back then". ;)

267 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:49:31am

re: #259 ProLifeLiberal

Well, I can't think of another way to call it. He openly and flagrantly ignored and trampled the 1st Amendment.

Wikipedia says the Nauvoo city council ordered the press destroyed. Could be seen as a property crime more than a violation of the first amendment.

But my point is, even Americans violate the Constitution. Doesn't always make them "unAmerican". If they say we should no longer operate under our Constitution, then it might. Dissent is very American. Actually, dissent is very human, and tolerated here more than a lot of places.

268 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:51:24am

re: #259 ProLifeLiberal

Well, I can't think of another way to call it. He openly and flagrantly ignored and trampled the 1st Amendment.

Abraham Lincoln not only closed down newspapers, he had newspaper editors thrown in jail. And he suspended Habeas Corpus and did a whole bunch of other stuff that was flagrantly in violation of the 1st Amendment.

Neo-confederates bitch about to this very day.

Joseph Smith never held elected office and was not sworn to uphold the Constitution.

269 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:52:17am

re: #261 ProLifeLiberal

I see your point.

However, at least among the Muslims my age, a fair amount can accept Gay Marriage (Mostly the Women, for some strange reason. Aside from myself, many of the other men are close-minded).

That's great. Prove that there's more acceptance of gay marriage among Islams in the US than among Mormons. I really doubt you can.

And again: That has fuck-all to do with Joseph Smith, and bringing up gay marriage while talking about being offended by a comparison between Smith and Mohammed is ridiculous.

They were both religious leaders. They're comparable in that manner. If someone is trying to compare them so as to insult one or the other, they're a shithead, but there's an obvious comparison as they both founded and led major religions.

270 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:53:46am

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

First of all, Joseph Smith was un-American. When a newspaper in Nauvoo criticized him, he ordered the Printing Press destroyed. He actively flouted the US Constitution.

Secondly, Joseph Smith was a man who had a history of fraud. Let's point out the fact that he was found guilty in New York of some crime involving a seer stone, not to mention the fact that the way the book was "translated" was a bit odd, though I will have to find it.

Granted, alot of my view of the Mormon Church only coalesced after the Prop 8 issue. Personally, I want the Mormon Church stripped of its tax-exempt status. There's alot more here, but I wanted to give a very quick response. I may make a page about my gripes.

Before you Page that, try to imagine how a similarly harsh review of Islam as a Page would fly with ya.

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:56:32am

re: #268 Alouette

Well, intent matters, and Smith's was suppression of criticism of him as a religious leader, which is bad.

272 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:56:48am

re: #268 Alouette

re: #269 Obdicut

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

Fair point. I'll back down on this.

273 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:56:50am

I am angry at the Mormon church for prop 8, and a lot of other anti-gay propaganda. That does not mean I'm angry at Mormons. The Church is not the people.

In addition, they are nowhere near alone in their interference in politics in the US. It has gotten bad. To attack them alone for it would be to overlook the context.

274 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:57:52am

re: #267 wrenchwench

Even the US Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution under terms that we'd now consider unconstitutional.

Plessy v. Ferguson.

Korematsu v. US.

Besides those two infamous cases, there are plenty of instances that saw the Court's interpretation shift - overruling the earlier case (and ignoring stare decisis). In some of those instances, the time between the original case and the case that overruled the original case was as few as 3 years. Other instances put a 100 years or more between the original ruling and the case that overruled it (think Pennoyer v. Neff and the Shaffer v. Heitner).

275 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:01:52am

I just finished reading James Rollins' adventure novel "The Devil Colony" which takes as its premise "What IF the 'Book of Mormon' was really factual?"

Rollins is a slightly better writer than Dan Brown. He held my interest and I exercised my eyeballs--rolled 'em like bowling balls. On Shabbos, even.

276 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:04:22am

re: #272 ProLifeLiberal

re: #269 Obdicut

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

Fair point. I'll back down on this.

Don't 'back down'. Reconsider.

277 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:05:04am

re: #275 Alouette

Being better than Dan Brown isn't saying alot though.

Sorry about attacking the Mormons. To you and everyone else.

278 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:05:31am

re: #276 wrenchwench

Don't 'back down'. Reconsider.

I mean:

Don't reconsider backing down, reconsider the issue.

279 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:05:49am

Totally staying out of this argument.

Just wanted to talk about my genealogy discovery last night, because it was a profoundly moving bummer.

I finally found where one of my ancestors is from, I think. I need to find pre-1856 Catholic church records for the town, because that's when my ancestors left. It's made more complicated by the fact that the town was Germany then and is Poland now. In fact, after WWII, all ethnic Germans were expelled. After WWI, the town voted 34,000 to 1,000 to be in Germany. The town population is now 5,000.

Whoa. 35,000 to 5,000? The place has to be a ghost town, unless an enormous number of homes were destroyed.

But still--they evicted that many?

Then I went to the library catalog page for the town. Do you see what I see?

[Link: www.familysearch.org...]

Crappity crap crap.

I sat there thinking about what happens when we start sorting people into us and them and then making them get out. There are proposal right now to make certain thems get out of here or there.

I'm agin it. Too much suffering for my tastes.

Again, this has nothing to do with the current discussion, just with my discoveries of last night.

280 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:09:22am

re: #277 ProLifeLiberal

Being better than Dan Brown isn't saying alot though.

Sorry about attacking the Mormons. To you and everyone else.

There are a bunch of authors copying the style of Dan Brown. Most of them are better than Dan Brown. Dan Brown's most recent novel, about the Freemasons and the scary tattooed dude, was much worse than Dan Brown.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:09:50am

re: #279 EmmmieG

I see:

Place Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława)
Topics Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - Church records
Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - Civil registration
Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - History
Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - History - Periodicals
Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - Jewish records
Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - Schools
Poland, Olsztyn, Susz (Iława) - Societies - Periodicals

282 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:10:34am

Getting back to the original topic, here's Nate Silver's latest on the GOP primaries:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Two new automated polls suggest that the swing in momentum — plus whatever additional gains Mr. Gingrich made from the favorable news coverage following his South Carolina win — are enough to have given him the lead in Florida.

The first poll, from Rasmussen Reports, puts Mr. Gingrich ahead by 9 points, 41 to 32. The second poll, from Insider Advantage, pegs Mr. Gingrich’s lead at 8 points. Both polls conducted all their interviews on Sunday in the immediate aftermath of Mr. Gingrich’s South Carolina victory.

Polls from InsiderAdvantage have generally had more favorable results for Mr. Gingrich than those conducted by other polling firms, and the C.E.O. of the polling firm, Matt Towery, is a former campaign chairman to Mr. Gingrich.

Rasmussen Reports polls, however — although they have sometimes shown a Republican “lean” in general elections — have not been particularly friendly to Mr. Gingrich in recent weeks. Instead, the firm’s previous poll of Florida — conducted just 11 days ago — had given Mr. Romney a 22-point lead there.

283 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:11:49am

re: #279 EmmmieG

[Link: www.familysearch.org...]

Crappity crap crap.

Having Jewish archives separate from Christian archives is very useful for researchers, since they are usually interested in one or the other.

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:13:10am

re: #163 Sergey Romanov

Even the rest of the stalkers were aghast (or, rather, pretended to be so) when he threatened to out people. This needs to be seen to be believed, so I will give just one snippet. I apologize for quoting from there, but this is an exceptional situation:

I wonder if I could do my thesis on the stalkers. "Low-Stakes Obsessive Intrigue in a Divided Internet Community".

285 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:14:07am

re: #280 Alouette

There are a bunch of authors copying the style of Dan Brown. Most of them are better than Dan Brown. Dan Brown's most recent novel, about the Freemasons and the scary tattooed dude, was much worse than Dan Brown.

Oh and "The Lost Symbol" is total Suck. spoiler:

And the "Symbol" isn't even "Lost" it is a very prominent corporate logo that you see every day.

286 S'latch  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:14:18am

I just wish that the heads on that graphic from Nate Silver's Florida Projection were animated and bobbling.

287 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:14:22am

re: #283 Alouette

Having Jewish archives separate from Christian archives is very useful for researchers, since they are usually interested in one or the other.

Well, imagine the reaction if US archives were separated into "white" and "colored". I don't imagine many people would say, "how useful."

288 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:14:48am

re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder if I could do my thesis on the stalkers. "Low-Stakes Obsessive Intrigue in a Divided Internet Community".

In leet.

289 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:15:14am

re: #279 EmmmieG

re: #281 Sergey Romanov

Had a Hunch it was either Poland, the Czech Republic, or Slovakia.

Being a Heinz 57, part of my mom's side came from the Lesser Poland Voivodeship.

290 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:15:15am

re: #287 aagcobb

Well, imagine the reaction if US archives were separated into "white" and "colored". I don't imagine many people would say, "how useful."

I only meant that in the context of historical research, when all the subjects are already long deceased. And for that long ago, yeah, they pretty much are.

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:15:57am

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rand Paul is being detained by the TSA.

What did Rand do this time?

292 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:16:46am

re: #285 Alouette

This is exactly the reason I have a hard time with Assassin's Creed. The gameplay is good, and the time period storylines are great, but the overarching story above it all is 30 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag.

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:17:39am

re: #218 oaktree

I'm sure they will also attribute the dispute between President Andrew Jackson and Senator Calhoun to a mild disagreement about tax rates.

To the Tea Party, there is no such thing as a 'mild disagreement' about tax rates.

294 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:18:10am

re: #283 Alouette

re: #281 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, but what I see is that the residents of that town weren't all expelled.

Some ended up in concentration camps.

So first, the Germans made a them out of the Jews, and then the Poles made a them out of the Germans.

I suppose it's karma, but it still is stupid human suffering.

296 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:18:35am

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

To the Tea Party, there is no such thing as a 'mild disagreement' about tax rates.

Which would precisely explain Jackson's threat to essentially declare war on South Carolina.

297 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:19:07am

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum Promises To Outlaw Gay Civil Marriage Because It Does Not Reflect ‘God’s Will For Us’

God's will, right.

Fortunately, it is not God's will for us to be subjected to President Frothy Mixture either.

298 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:19:14am

re: #278 wrenchwench

I can do that.

299 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:19:49am

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

What did Rand do this time?

You would think after he cleaned the male half of the True Source, they would cut him some slack.

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:20:29am

re: #287 aagcobb

Well, imagine the reaction if US archives were separated into "white" and "colored". I don't imagine many people would say, "how useful."

One of the most important genealogy archives, which was put on disk at the beginning of internet genealogy and is now available for free, is the Freedman's Bank records.

It's a failed bank from the Reconstruction period that contains genealogy information--bank customers had to give their parents' names. Since there was only sporadic records kept for blacks before that period, it's considered one of the most important African-American records.

301 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:23:00am

re: #250 Sergey Romanov

As an atheist, I will just point out that when Mormons criticize Islam on religious grounds or Muslims criticize LDS belief on religious grounds, they're both standing in glass houses.

THIS.

re: #257 Obdicut

You're Muslim, I believe. You know what makes Muslims looks bad? Just pointlessly shit-talking other people's religion. You think Islam is great? Lead by example. Don't trash other people's religions in comparison to your own.

And THIS.

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

Before you Page that, try to imagine how a similarly harsh review of Islam as a Page would fly with ya.

And THIS as well.

re: #272 ProLifeLiberal

re: #269 Obdicut

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

Fair point. I'll back down on this.

Little brother, God put your tongue behind the "gate" of your teeth for a reason. Please think before making comments. When you make a point of telling everyone you're Muslim, then like it or not you're no longer representing just yourself.

The people here have been fairly gentle with you, especially considering what a rough & tumble place this can be. I think they mostly do that because you're young, but if they don't see you learning from your mistakes, they're eventually going to lose patience with (and respect for) you. And I, for one, will not blame them or blindly defend you if it comes to that. Take heed, please.

Going back to work now...

303 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:26:48am

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum Promises To Outlaw Gay Civil Marriage Because It Does Not Reflect ‘God’s Will For Us’

God's will, right.

"Civil" isn't the same as "religious"...unless you're Santorum.

304 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:27:58am

re: #303 darthstar

That's Santorum saying God wanted us to have a religious government.

305 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:28:40am

re: #303 darthstar

"Civil" isn't the same as "religious"...unless you're Santorum.

Separation of Church and State is oppression!
/

306 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:28:54am

re: #304 Obdicut

That's Santorum saying God wanted us to have a religious government.

He should move to Saudi Arabia then.

307 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:28:57am

There's a dead pixel on my monitor and it's driving me bonkers.

308 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:29:11am

re: #304 Obdicut

That's Santorum saying God wanted us to have a religious government.

Zeus notes that he has not received a proper libation from Santorum anytime recently.
//

309 The Yankee  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:30:24am

re: #307 Varek Raith

There's a dead pixel on my monitor and it's driving me bonkers.

Just look up how much money it will cost to replace that monitor it will bother you a lot less.

310 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:30:48am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

God put your tongue behind the "gate" of your teeth for a reason.

Without saying anything to the substance of the argument, I love this phrase and need to remember it myself.

311 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:30:49am

re: #307 Varek Raith

There's a dead pixel on my monitor and it's driving me bonkers.

It's simply one that has gone over to the Dark Side. You should welcome it.

312 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:31:13am

re: #308 oaktree

Zeus notes that he has not received a proper libation from Santorum anytime recently.
//

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" counts as a prayer.

313 iossarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:31:39am

re: #307 Varek Raith

There's a dead pixel on my monitor and it's driving me bonkers.

There's a steering wheel on my dick and it's driving me nuts.

314 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:32:33am

re: #311 oaktree

It's simply one that has gone over to the Dark Side. You should welcome it.

I've learned from playing SW: OTR, that one can become consumed by the Dark Side and get laid and still become the star padawan at the Jedi Temple.

315 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:32:39am

re: #307 Varek Raith

There's a dead pixel on my monitor and it's driving me bonkers.

Pixel murderer.

316 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:34:20am

re: #265 ProLifeLiberal

If you're ever bored with US history, a look a major riots is a good place to go to. The recurruring cire: #302 Varek Raith

Justices rule against police, say GPS surveillance requires search warrant

I love that it was a 9-0 decision with Scalia writing the majority opinion basically saying that the government bolting anything to your property requires a warrant. The only question was how far to take the ruling (i.e. to restrict it to just gps tracking devices or also include things like mobile phone surveillance).

317 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:35:35am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

Little brother, God put your tongue behind the "gate" of your teeth for a reason.

That's why people will say (type) things online that they would never say in real life to someone's face.

318 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:35:36am

re: #310 wlewisiii

God put your tongue behind the "gate" of your teeth for a reason.

Without saying anything to the substance of the argument, I love this phrase and need to remember it myself.

Heh, me too (more so in real life than online).

It's an old Persian proverb. Another good one, regarding gossip:

You can close the gates of the city, but you can't close people's mouths.

Gah, this place! Now I'm really going back to work.

319 The Yankee  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:35:40am

re: #223 wrenchwench

Limbaugh repeated the "deathbed" error recently. Both women are still alive. One was being treated for cancer around the time of the divorce, the other was diagnosed with MS before the divorce.

re: #189 The Yankee

Both sick, not near death though.

So Newt is in a Catch 22, the truth is barely better then the myth. Newt actually having to admit that his wives were not in fact dying when he left them just very sick. He made himself a nice shit sandwich.

320 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:36:22am

re: #319 The Yankee

And, ironically, Ann Romney has MS and has survived cancer.

321 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:37:53am

By the way, Silver now has even stronger Newtmentum - up to 84%.

322 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:37:55am

re: #319 The Yankee

So Newt is in a Catch 22, the truth is barely better then the myth. Newt actually having to admit that his wives were not in fact dying when he left them just very sick. He made himself a nice shit sandwich.

But he won't eat it. He's serving it up in Florida right now, and they can't get enough. They think it takes a shit sandwich to beat Obama.

323 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:38:00am

re: #319 The Yankee

So Newt is in a Catch 22, the truth is barely better then the myth. Newt actually having to admit that his wives were not in fact dying when he left them just very sick. He made himself a nice shit sandwich.

Those are actually roasted purple fingerling potatoes. He failed to heed the advice about slicing them up first.

324 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:38:41am

re: #321 erik_t

By the way, Silver now has even stronger Newtmentum - up to 84%.

He's added the Rasmussen poll.

325 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:39:36am

re: #318 CuriousLurker

Don't worry, I'll be more careful speaking, and I'll be more open minded about things.

re: #317 Alouette

Again, sorry for earlier.

326 freetoken  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:40:11am

Sort of obvious:

Why Men Exhibit Warrior Tendencies:

Following a review of current academic literature by psychologists, biologists and anthropologists, the study concludes that men are biologically programmed to be warriors because of our deep ancestral history of inter-tribal war and conflict.

Meanwhile, females have evolved a response to threats from male outsiders where they ‘tend and befriend’ as a way of protecting their offspring, suggests the study.

In a paper published in the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B, researchers from Oxford, VU Amsterdam, and Michigan universities argue that although these responses may have evolved as a way of coping with threats posed by outsiders, they ‘might not be functional in modern times and are often counter-productive’.

The researchers suggest that the study may help us to understand the evolutionary and biological roots of the aggressive behaviour between ‘tribal’ factions in today’s world. The study points out that in modern cultures, this ‘evolved’ behaviour can be observed in large-scale conflicts between countries and nations as well as in relatively small-scale skirmishes, such as between supporters of rival football teams or street gangs.

[...]

327 The Yankee  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:42:13am

re: #316 BishopX

How do you feel about google's street view. I still kind of feel what ever you can see from an public area is not private.

I have missed feeling about the rulings, cause they can still follow you by car or helicopter. But sticking a GPS on your car is just too easy.

328 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:43:07am

Somebody hacked Chuck Grassley's Twitter.

How much trouble can you get in for that? Legally, I mean.

Apparently, this is in retaliation for SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA.

329 The Yankee  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:46:28am

re: #320 EmmmieG

Mitt should put that in an Ad. Or maybe that kind of tastless deed would have to be done by a Super Pac.

330 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:47:31am

re: #316 BishopX

I paged that decision earlier. In one of two concurring rulings, Alito, joined by Breyer, Ginsberg, and Souter, thought that the ruling should extend to other GPS enabled devices, including mobile phones.

The decision went as far as I think it could have under the facts of the case, and it probably would take a separate case to reach a similar conclusion (warrant required). That said, the concurrence is a signal to law enforcement and the courts below that warrants are required before they can attempt to use that GPS data on cellphones and other mobile devices.

331 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 11:01:24am

re: #327 The Yankee

How do you feel about google's street view. I still kind of feel what ever you can see from an public area is not private.

I have missed feeling about the rulings, cause they can still follow you by car or helicopter. But sticking a GPS on your car is just too easy.

I think there needs to be a distinction drawn between automated surveillance, automated mapping and actual police efforts. To me google maps isn't surveillance, it is a) public b) not updated and c) you can get your self removed from it if you object. It's essentially no different from a map as for as I'm concerned. Automated surveillance is the automatic, persistent gathering of data for whatever purpose. It's not targeted at an individual but encompasses everything before. Things like automated license plate readers, CCTV cameras on public streets and the growing ID requirements for any kind of travel fall into this category. I'm very ambivalent about all of this, but I'm not sure of the legal incorrectness of any of it. In the third category, actual police efforts, I like the precedent set by the supreme court in the early nineties. I don't remember the name of the case, but it involved the police using an infrared camera to look for pot growing operations indoors. The Justices ruled that any surveillance using technology not available to the public required a warrant, even if the surveillance took place in a public space.

332 The Yankee  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 11:10:44am

re: #331 BishopX

Thanks for the reply, I think I am on the same page as you.

333 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 11:31:09am

re: #229 ProLifeLiberal

Ditto.

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I resent Joesph Smith being compared to Mohammed (PBUH).

Me too. Joseph was a good man.

334 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 11:31:52am

re: #333 Winny Spencer

It doesn't look any cuter the other way round.

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jan 24, 2012 4:40:40am

re: #333 Winny Spencer

Me too. Joseph was a good man.

You've stepped in it right after PLL. I can only giggle.


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