Video: America’s Alarming Science Decline

A subject that won’t come up in tonight’s debate
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Here’s a vastly important subject guaranteed not to come up in tonight’s debate (the sixth debate this month): the precipitous decline in American science. Neil deGrasse Tyson really brings the point home with maps showing the amounts of peer reviewed scientific research in different areas of the globe.

Exceptionally poor at science and getting worse; is this what Republicans mean when they chant “American exceptionalism?”

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1 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:20:30pm

They’re all behind scientific education, just so long as it teaches the “right” facts. Like entertaining creationism alongside evolution and insisting the latter is “only a theory,” or ripping entire sections about climate change out due to being a “hoax,” and a whole cavalcade of other religious bunk being pushed as “plausible” because somebody somewhere in a lab coat lost his scientific objectivity.

2 jaunte  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:26:29pm

That’s some major shrinkage in such a short time.

3 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:27:07pm

is this what Republicans mean when they chant “American exceptionalism?”

Yep. If it didn’t come from “God” it is the work of Satan and should be ignored.

We are so fucking doomed as a viable Nation.

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:28:37pm

We need more Tysons in this country, and fewer Bartons. I’d say “No Bartons”, but that would be impossible.

5 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:31:38pm

My nephew who is majoring in Bio-Medical Engineering at Georgia Tech had quite a few people tell him he should look into other Engineering subjects rather than something will be studied by a bunch of “foreign peeps.” It is an up and coming field and on a personal level I want to see a few more American faces when I look at the future.

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:33:56pm

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

My young cousin is studying the same. So, that’s one more.

7 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:34:20pm

American exceptionalism means you can manage your fantasy football league and know every American Idol winner.

8 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:35:10pm

Science is the wellspring of wealth and power.

I cannot think of a nation that has succeeded through religious fervor when competing with a nation that had scientific fervor. Technology wins wars, it dominates economies, it raises quality of life.

And the GOP spends most of their time, when they talk about science, demonizing it, and demonizing scientists.

It is weakening our nation. It has weakened us.

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:35:29pm

re: #3 Bubblehead II

Hating gays is way more important. Don’t you know, if we only hated gays enough, we would be blessed with sole super-power status again.
///

10 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:37:01pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

American exceptionalism means you can manage your fantasy football league and know every American Idol winner.

And gorge yourself on authentically American foods…whose ingredients were grown/processed in China.

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:37:32pm

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

Anyway, best of luck to your nephew. It’s kids like him and my cousin that will be bringing us nanite augmentations in the future.

12 Altermite  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:38:08pm

What time is this painfest scheduled to take place?

13 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:42:02pm

re: #12 Altermite

Dunno, don’t care. I am entirely done with the GOP at large. They have no interest in preserving our nation.

14 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:42:44pm

What do they have left to talk about any more?

15 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:43:25pm

Pro-life nutjob blames Obama for not letting him show aborted fetuses during the Super Bowl

Randall Terry, Democratic Candidate for President, is pursuing legal recourse to compel NBC Chicago to obey the law, and run Mr. Terry’s Presidential Campaign ad in Chicago.

Mr. Terry states:

“Heck, if the dead can vote so easily in Chicago, why not give dead babies a voice too?

“We invite the media to see through and report on what is happening…

“We ran ads with dead baby images in eight states; CNN breaks the story about our ads during the Super Bowl; Obama’s people decide to suppress our campaign; Obama’s people tell NBC-Chicago to stonewall; someone in power is promising NBC cover; the Chicago Tribune is pretending this is not happening (by being silent as a dumb dog); and we have been forced to obtain attorneys.

“We have spoken with several lawyers today, who are ready to compel NBC to obey the rules of their FCC license. Since NBC is flagrantly involved in a ‘willful’ and ‘repeated’ refusal to run our ads, we will request the FCC compel them to run the ad, as well as bring punitive sanctions against them. [See law below regarding “willful” and “repeated”]

“We already have TV ads bought and paid for in over a dozen markets to run during the Super Bowl, and in pre-game shows. We will not rest until we prevail in Chicago. The babies murdered under Obama’s policies deserve a voice in the Illinois primary, and we will provide it for them.”

16 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:44:44pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

Don’t forget Abortions. If only had we forced those 10 year old Girls to have kids because they were silly enough to get pregnant in the first place, God would again smile down upon us.

PUKE!

17 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:44:50pm

re: #12 Altermite

What time is this painfest scheduled to take place?

5PST

18 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:48:46pm

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Dunno, don’t care. I am entirely done with the GOP at large. They have no interest in preserving our nation.

What they’re interested in is expanding and solidifying their power, which they’ve convinced themselves is how they’ll preserve the nation. Only with one-party, absolute rule do they believe that they can make America great again. And their rule would be benevolent and just, because they’d be following the word of God.

You know, the line of thinking most theocrats have.

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:50:29pm

A somewhat apropos “Frank Says” on this page…

Information doesn’t kill you… — Senate Hearing on “Porn Rock”, 1985 during an exchange with a Born Again Christian.

20 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:51:50pm

re: #16 Bubblehead II

Bad wording. But I think you get my point. Fischer and the rest of his kind are just fine with this child having a baby. Even if it had killed her.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:52:11pm

Don’t look at me—I teach young’uns science.

Last week we capped off our lesson on bacteria and viruses by watching the Mythbusters episode “Hidden Nasties,” and then using petri dishes and swabs to see if we could sample bacteria and crud around my house or in their mouths. (Their choice.)

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:53:31pm

re: #21 EmmmieG

Don’t look at me—I teach young’uns science.

Last week we capped off our lesson on bacteria and viruses by watching the Mythbusters episode “Hidden Nasties,” and then using petri dishes and swabs to see if we could sample bacteria and crud around my house or in their mouths. (Their choice.)

In case you’re thinking: ?????

The Mythbusters do a great job in the episode of showing the actual process of collecting and evaluating samples.

23 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:53:43pm

re: #20 Bubblehead II

Bad wording. But I think you get my point. Fischer and the rest are just fine with this child having a baby. Even if it had killed her.

“It was God’s will…”

24 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:56:12pm

is this what Republicans mean when they chant “American exceptionalism?”

have you guys heard republicans argue that “not everybody needs a college degree”? have you heard alan greenspan testify before congress on the ‘problem’ of “wage pressure”?

the republican plan for the american economy includes the american workforce getting reduced to the level of those third world sweatshop workforces that corporate american loves so much

already, half of our professional workforce is imported from countries where the government supports higher education instead of denigrating it and allowing it to become so expensive that very few families can now afford it

25 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 3:56:51pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“It was God’s will…”

Yeah, Right. Perhaps he can come and explain it to me when I go to sleep tonight. That is if I have any active Brain Cells left after tonight’s debate.

26 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:00:24pm

re: #25 Bubblehead II

Yeah, Right. Perhaps he can come and explain it to me when I go to sleep tonight. That is if I have any active Brain Cells left after tonight’s debate.

But somehow, it was God’s Will to make their dicks stop working and these assholes turn to Satan for pills so they can continue to fornicate, and thats OK.
/

27 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:01:37pm

when i was working for the army one of the rush limbaugh listeners there had married a german woman, like a lot of GIs who have been stationed in germany, and he was telling me how his german brother in law was complaining about the high german income tax rate and thinking about emigrating to the united states

i just said “did you warn him that a university education and health insurance are not free here?”

28 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:01:47pm

I think I’ll watch episodes of “The World at War” instead of the debate. Rather listen to Lawrence Olivier than Newt.

29 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:02:40pm

re: #28 oaktree

I think I’ll watch episodes of “The World at War” instead of the debate. Rather listen to Lawrence Olivier than Newt.

I got new PCs for me and the wife. I’m stuck downloading and patching all night.

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:02:44pm

re: #27 engineer dog

when i was working for the army one of the rush limbaugh listeners there had married a german woman, like a lot of GIs who have been stationed in germany, and he was telling me how his german brother in law was complaining about the high german income tax rate and thinking about emigrating to the united states

i just said “did you warn him that a university education and health insurance are not free here?”

They aren’t free over there either; hence the high tax rate.

31 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:02:49pm

re: #28 oaktree
Yes. Larry is far better than Newt.

32 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:03:05pm

Two threads in a row that show video evidence of how important it is for Republicans to stand up against “angry black men.”

/wingnut rhetoric

33 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:03:45pm

Another member of the delegation that greeted the President (alongside Gov. Brewer), the Republican Mayor of Mesa, Ariz.:
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Mayor Scott Smith of Mesa, Ariz., declined to say exactly what he heard Obama and Brewer talk about during their now-infamous tiff next to Air Force One.

But the mayor said he was standing right next to the governor when the exchange took place and Obama didn’t seem to be in any kind of hurry to leave.

“There was no sense that he was running to or from anything,” Smith told TPM. In fact, he said, the president stayed and had a pleasant conversation with Smith, who’s a Republican, and Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton, a Democrat.

It was “just the four of us,” Smith said. “Mayor Stanton and I had a decent talk with him.”

The mid-sentence storming away is kind of the crux of the aggrievement Gov. Brewer’s been selling in a an impressive number of media appearances:

Gov. Brewer:
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]

“I thought he was kind of thin-skinned,” she said, adding that Obama walked away while she was “in the middle of a sentence.”

[Link: www.google.com…]

Asked whether she regarded that as disrespectful, she replied: “Well, I would never have walked away from anybody having a conversation. And, of course, that is what it is. It is disrespectful for me.”

34 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:06:34pm

re: #33 simoom

Another member of the delegation that greeted the President (alongside Gov. Brewer), the Republican Mayor of Mesa, Ariz.:
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

The mid-sentence storming away is kind of the crux of the aggrievement Gov. Brewer’s been selling in a an impressive number of media appearances:

Gov. Brewer:
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]

[Link: www.google.com…]

Angry black man!!!!1111

35 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:07:24pm

Conservatives hate science because it tells them things they don’t want to hear.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:07:29pm

re: #34 Talking Point Detective

Angry black man!!!1111

That’s the narrative all right! America wheeee

37 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:07:34pm

And the new keyboard successfully hot swapped. YAY!

Now I just need to call in a biohazard crew to dispose of the old one.

38 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:09:36pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
biohazard crew? what did you spill on it? On second thought let’s not go there.

39 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:10:49pm

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

biohazard crew? what did you spill on it? On second thought let’s not go there.

My old keyboard is like 5 years old. That is a ton of board chow to shake free.

40 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:10:52pm

re: #24 engineer dog

Yep, And actually he is right. We need People trained in basic production and Repair.

People who know how to make/repair things. Not a bunch of idiots that can sit behind a desk and make pretty pictures on a computer screen.

Cold as as it seems, that’s is all we seem to have been producing.

We have lots of idea People, but no one who can actually make/or repair it.
Hence the export of jobs

41 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:14:17pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My old keyboard is like 5 years old. That is a ton of board chow to shake free.

I wish the nice bakery down the street would change the keyboard at their point of sale computer. It’s enough to make one not want a cookie ever again.

42 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:14:37pm

re: #30 EmmmieG

They aren’t free over there either; hence the high tax rate.

of course they are paid for through taxes, but free thereafter. here we pay taxes and then have to buy our own health insurance and college education, which together will cost an average american family much more than the extra taxes that a comparable german family will pay

43 Robert O.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:14:39pm

I suggest another map: the change in scientific output AFTER you have repatriated scientists to the respective countries they were born. I am going to guess the US will shrink much further, while China and India would become enormous.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:16:40pm

re: #42 engineer dog

of course they are paid for through taxes, but free thereafter. here we pay taxes and then have to buy our own health insurance and college education, which together will cost an average american family much more than the extra taxes that a comparable german family will pay

Well, yes, but free means you don’t pay for it at all.

Come to think of it, there’s no free anything. Even the cost of Costco samples is figured into the pricing.

45 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:17:25pm

re: #44 EmmmieG
The same with BJ’s. :(

46 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:19:45pm

re: #40 Bubblehead II

Yep, And actually he is right. We need People trained in basic production and Repair.

People who know how to make/repair things. Not a bunch of idiots that can sit behind a desk and make pretty pictures on a computer screen.

Cold as as it seems, that’s is all we seem to have been producing.

We have lots of idea People, but no one who can actually make/or repair it.
Hence the export of jobs

we need the government to start encouraging education for all fields again, like they did after WWII

but there are a lot of college education type jobs that are now more and more being filled by people from other countries where a university education is still affordable

for example - i’ve been working as a software engineer for over 25 years, and i have never - never! - worked in a shop where the majority of programmers were american. the industry is green carding in indian, russian, chinese, and german software engineers at a tremendous rate because not nearly enough americans have computer science degrees

and the same thing seems to happen in regard to MDs - my doctor at kaiser is from China, and the stereotypical doctor in sitcoms is changing from jewish to indian

47 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:20:17pm

re: #35 Iwouldprefernotto

Conservatives hate science because it tells them things they don’t want to hear.

If they were capital C conservatives they’d welcome science. Unfortunately as you know, its more religious conservatism with a splash of we hate elite professors thrown in.

48 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:20:29pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pro-life nutjob blames Obama for not letting him show aborted fetuses during the Super Bowl

This is rich:

We have spoken with several lawyers today, who are ready to compel NBC to obey the rules of their FCC license.

This, from the side that raises hell anyone dares mention the Equal Time Rule or the Fairness Doctrine.

/spit.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:21:38pm

When I was in college, I was in the honors dorms. Almost all of the guys started out majoring in engineering something.

Most moved out because the colleges did a really good job of convincing them that they should do what they love.

Except for the one that moved into physics.

Maybe we should give the college professors a boot to the head? They do a good job of promoting majoring in their field, not of helping students to understand what is needed and HAS JOBS.

50 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:22:03pm

re: #44 EmmmieG

Well, yes, but free means you don’t pay for it at all.

Come to think of it, there’s no free anything. Even the cost of Costco samples is figured into the pricing.

the deal in germany is that you pay your taxes, which are say 30 - 40% higher than american income taxes, but you don’t have to worry about paying for health care or a university education for your kids

so, the wealthier subsidize the less wealthy for a society with more opportunity and less wear and tear

51 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:23:26pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pro-life nutjob blames Obama for not letting him show aborted fetuses during the Super Bowl

Dear self-righteous douchebag —

It’s a football game. People watching it want to see the game, laugh/cringe at the halftime show, and watch the real commercials so they have something to talk about on Facebook and at work. Your fetish for aborted fetuses isn’t wanted.

No love,
Me

52 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:26:04pm

re: #50 engineer dog

the deal in germany is that you pay your taxes, which are say 30 - 40% higher than american income taxes, but you don’t have to worry about paying for health care or a university education for your kids

so, the wealthier subsidize the less wealthy for a society with more opportunity and less wear and tear

Right now American taxes do pay for the elderly and the poorest to receive health care, so the wealthier are subsidizing the poorest.

It would be interesting to know what we are paying for that they aren’t…oh, right, a hurking big military.

53 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:29:15pm

This is good news for John McCain Newt Gingrich:

Romney’s Tax Return Nightmare Worsens After Errors Found In Financial Disclosure Statements

Mitt Romney released his tax returns to put to bed discussions of his wealth and lack of transparency. Instead, they have only spawned more unanswered questions.

Thursday afternoon, the LA Times reported that Romney’s tax returns listed 23 funds and partnerships that did not appear on Mitt Romney’s personal financial statements — the disclosure forms candidates are required by federal law to file with the Federal Elections Commission. Romney filed his disclosure forms in August 2011. The timing of this revelation couldn’t be worse. Hours before a GOP debate and days before the crucial Florida primary, Democrats now have new fodder for demanding additional tax return information from the Romney campaign.

54 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:29:45pm

re: #52 EmmmieG

Right now American taxes do pay for the elderly and the poorest to receive health care, so the wealthier are subsidizing the poorest.

It would be interesting to know what we are paying for that they aren’t…oh, right, a hurking big military.

Germany’s got a pretty strong military - they just use it sparingly, and develop great tanks, guns and airplanes.

55 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:30:05pm

re: #52 EmmmieG

Right now American taxes do pay for the elderly and the poorest to receive health care, so the wealthier are subsidizing the poorest.

It would be interesting to know what we are paying for that they aren’t…oh, right, a hurking big military.

well, exactly

but businesses still are expected to spend money subsidizing health care for workers in this country, whereas german companies don’t have to think about it, and so have a competitive advantage over american companies. and americans now have to pay prohibitively high amounts for a college education, so that social mobility is slowed to a near halt

56 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:31:14pm

re: #53 Lidane

This is good news for Newt Gingrich:

Romney’s Tax Return Nightmare Worsens After Errors Found In Financial Disclosure Statements

Wonder if Newt will find out about this in time to hit him with it tonight.

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:32:09pm

re: #55 engineer dog

well, exactly

but businesses still are expected to spend money subsidizing health care for workers in this country, whereas german companies don’t have to think about it, and so have a competitive advantage over american companies. and americans now have to pay prohibitively high amounts for a college education, so that social mobility is slowed to a near halt

Not my college. That was subsidized by church funds.

Yes, actually, my college was subsidized by Huntsmans, Marriotts, and Romneys. (Well, not specifically, but tuition is kept low by church funds so that everyone can afford to go to school.)

58 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:32:22pm

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
He released the story./

59 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:34:10pm

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wonder if Newt will find out about this in time to hit him with it tonight.

Allahpundit is bleating about it over on HotAir and in freeper-ville, and it’s on all the networks, so I’m sure someone at Newt’s campaign knows about it by now.

60 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:34:23pm

Hmm, watch the debate or watch somebody play Bioshock 2 on Youtube. Decisions, decisions…

61 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:37:16pm

Tonight will be bomb throwing Newt extroidinairre. He goes down in the polls till he flames away.

It’s going to be a festival!

62 What, me worry?  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:38:01pm

Another Florida debate. I’m guessing (hoping) they’ll leave Terri Schiavo out of it.

They could talk about Wet Foot Dry Foot, or about family travel and sanctions on Cuba. They could talk about casino gambling, another hot topic recently voted down again. Proponents point to tens of 1000s of jobs it will create. Those who oppose it oppose the nature of gambling, and we do have some gambling, just not Vegas gambling.

What about medical marijunana, gay marriage (both important for the country), urban development into the Everglades?

So many topics, so stupid men.

63 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:39:17pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Tonight will be bomb throwing Newt extroidinairre. He goes down in the polls till he flames away.

It’s going to be a festival!

Got plenty of marshmallows here, so it should be fun.

64 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:39:36pm

Forgive me, no spell check

65 What, me worry?  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:40:39pm

I have to dash out for about 20 minutes, but Wet Food Dry Foot is becoming incredibly unpopular, especially when so many other productive people want to come here and are turned away on worse circumstances.

66 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:40:49pm

Fun with numbers — Newt is now officially the GOP front runner:

NBC/WSJ poll: Gingrich leads Romney, but badly trails Obama

Newt Gingrich leads Mitt Romney among Republicans, but he is the weakest of the Republican candidates tested against President Obama, according to an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll released Thursday evening.

Gingrich leads Romney 37 percent to 28 percent nationally among registered Republicans likely to vote in the primaries; Rick Santorum is in third with 18 percent, and Ron Paul is fourth with 12 percent.

Gingrich has built its advantage by consolidating the heart and soul of the Republican party: very conservative voters, the South and the Tea Party.
Though Gingrich is the preferred candidate of GOP primary voters, though, he performs the worst of all Republican candidates tested against Obama, including Santorum.

“Gingrich is Goldwater,” said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. “In the general election, Gingrich not only takes down his ship, he takes down the whole flotilla.”

67 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:46:01pm

re: #66 Lidane

Fun with numbers — Newt is now officially the GOP front runner:

NBC/WSJ poll: Gingrich leads Romney, but badly trails Obama

Which again shows just how weak a Romney candidacy will be. Yes, he may win the nomination, but it will be long, drawn-out slugfest between him and Newt. And when he finally stands victorious, it will be counterweighted by most of the party base either sitting things out or going third party. He’ll have no coattails, no real support, just a lot of folks holding their noses to vote for him because he’s the party nominee.

Describing the GOP as being “between a rock and a hard place” will be putting it mildly.

68 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:46:01pm

re: #66 Lidane

Fun with numbers — Newt is now officially the GOP front runner:

NBC/WSJ poll: Gingrich leads Romney, but badly trails Obama

Romney fares best against the president, trailing Obama him by six points among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent. That’s a four-point improvement for the president from a month ago.

GOP-erdammerung

69 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:46:34pm

re: #65 marjoriemoon

I have to dash out for about 20 minutes, but Wet Food Dry Foot is becoming incredibly unpopular, especially when so many other productive people want to come here and are turned away on worse circumstances.

That’s what I can’t stand. The only good immigrant is Cuban, based on 1950-60’s mentality. Everyone else? Hated.

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:51:50pm

re: #68 engineer dog

Romney fares best against the president, trailing Obama him by six points among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent. That’s a four-point improvement for the president from a month ago.

GOP-erdammerung

71 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:52:03pm

Oh and whew! I’m going to miss the BS tonight. Going to new restaurant soft opening. Free food, bring your own wine. Only tip.

Prep kitchen little Italy San Diego. Look it up, I’ll review ltr.

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:53:25pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

That’s what I can’t stand. The only good immigrant is Cuban, based on 1950-60’s mentality. Everyone else? Hated.

Remember the news footage from a few years back, of all the Haitians who’d managed to make it ashore and tried to run from the cops? Even then, being ignorant of politics, I was disgusted when reporters were telling folks that these people, who’d managed to survive their journey to the US from their hellhole of a nation, would just be caught and shipped back.

73 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:55:56pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

Oh and whew! I’m going to miss the BS tonight. Going to new restaurant soft opening. Free food, bring your own wine. Only tip.

Prep kitchen little Italy San Diego. Look it up, I’ll review ltr.

I’m jealous!

74 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:58:33pm

Lizards, It is time I invoke the the IF rule. Yes I know.

Regardless, it is time.

May the Deity of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.

75 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01:04pm

OK. Time to clean the kitchen and cook dinner. BBL.

76 What, me worry?  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:05:16pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

That’s what I can’t stand. The only good immigrant is Cuban, based on 1950-60’s mentality. Everyone else? Hated.

It’s intention wasn’t to be negative against other groups. It just favored Cubans. Of course, by favoring Cubans, you automatically disfavor others. But there was a time when it was important to support Cubans fleeing the island. Times have changed and although still Communist, it has a thriving black market where you can get anything you want so the suffering level has eased. There’s also art and some religion, though I’m not sure how those work. They are still not a free society.

Anyway, most Floridians feel it doesn’t have the need it once did.

77 Bob Levin  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:16:43pm

I think he has the years wrong. The first map, with big America, is papers published in 2001. The second map, the trend map, measures from 1990.

This is a map done by another group of people measuring 2005-2009. As you can see, the graphics are different, and it measures collaboration, not papers published.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t find the same measurement for 2001-2010. Going by his trend, the US should be shrinking out of sight by 2010. I don’t think that’s happening.

Still, he raises good questions about how research is funded. I also wonder whether defense research is counted, since Europe spends comparatively little on defense. Just some questions.

78 NVAudiophile  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:54pm

What incentive does an American student have to earn an advanced engineering degree, financed by 50+ k in student loan debt, only to compete for jobs with similarly qualified talent in China earning $12 an hour. The company I work for just laid off 30+ engineers and replaced them all with Chinese labor.

I also read a an article recently about the Chinese plant that Apple uses for its manufacturing. Absolutely disgusting.

The purpose of a company is to maximize profits by all legal means. The regulatory framework has not kept pace with the times.

79 John Q  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 12:10:06am

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