I just discovered that the insanely great music show Austin City Limits has a channel on Vimeo, and among the treasures they’ve uploaded is this 1978 performance by Tom Waits. I’ve only seen this in grainy low-res YouTube uploads; it’s riveting in good quality. The song is from Blue Valentine.
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windsagio Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:17:47pm |
thread needs some Rock'n'Roll monks
(Just to make it clear; thats the head of the Benedictine order playing Guitar on Highway to Hell)
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:19:20pm |
My fave from Tom
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:36:43pm |
*sighs deeply* I'm beginning to think this computer may be well and truly fraked. Thought it might just be the hard drive slipping, which wouldn't be too bad a fix, even though it would be the second one in this computer's lifetime. But now I'm thinking it might be the video card or, worse, the motherboard itself. See if I can keep it limping along til next weekend, but if not, I might disappear for a few days until I get a new one set up.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:43:31pm |
Lila Rose is cool with lying, because it's biblical...
While many Christians applauded Rose's work, others expressed concern about the deception inherent in her investigative work. In the Witherspoon Institute's journal Public Discourse, Christopher Tollefson argued that Live Action's work could compromise the pro-life movement by using falsehood: "The way in which Live Action has made its mark is itself extremely troubling, for it is predicated on a form of falsity."
Princeton professor Robert George wrote that Live Action's well-intentioned work should not use deception: "What we fight for is just and true, and truth—in its unparalleled splendor and luminosity—is the most powerful weapon in our arsenal." Boston College professor Peter Kreeft, though, argued that if Live Action is wrong, so is spying, "including spying out the Nazis' atomic bomb projects and saving the world from a nuclear holocaust."
Rose contends that undercover work is chronicled throughout the Bible. She points to Rahab and the Israelite spies, and to the Hebrew midwives who protected innocents by lying to Pharaoh, as examples of those who lied for a worthy cause. When considering these examples, as well as the urgency of the cause, Rose has no moral qualms with undercover work.
TAQIYYA!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:09:09pm |
A Dipshit that doesn't realize that "our twenty-somethings" would not have been old enough at that time to even give a crap about that incident.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:12:42pm |
re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth
Lila Rose is cool with lying, because it's biblical...
TAQIYYA!!!
Welcome to Fox News' America! Modeled after trashy tabloids and designed by Rupert Murdoch. With additional help from Brent Bozell! Step right up folks! Get your magic elixir served right up hot and spicy. You won't regret it! One stop shopping for all your needs here. Even cures cancer.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:14:05pm |
I believe that Kübler-Ross would call this the "bargaining" stage:
Pros and cons of U.K. climate change eyed
Climate change in the coming century poses both risks and opportunities for Britain, a first comprehensive government assessment says.
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs released its Climate Change Risk Assessment as part of the government's strategy for dealing with global warming, the BBC reported Thursday.
While the report warns flooding, heat waves and water shortages could become likely, it also points to possible benefits including new shipping lanes through the arctic, fewer cold-related deaths in winter and higher crop yields.
[...]
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:17:32pm |
re: #10 freetoken
I believe that Kübler-Ross would call this the "bargaining" stage:
Seems to be a running theme amongst the deniers now: "So what if it's getting warmer? We should be happy for the warmth, it means shorter winters and lower energy usage! You enviro-nuts should be happy we won't be so reliant on oil for heating in cold winters!"
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:21:03pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I maintaing that climate change is unbearably slow, for the human social system, and thus it has little real influence in politics, etc.
We are apes with rather short attention spans. Oh, we "plan" for longer timeframes than our nearest cousins (we think), but most of the time we're driven by our blood sugar levels, or testosterone levels, in our blood.
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BishopX Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:22:20pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Russia seems to be particularly fond of this idea. It gets warm water ports (a major strategic goal for more than 200 years), increased land for wheat production and new shipping lanes through the arctic. The only problem is the possibility to giant methane releases killing everyone on the planet.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:22:38pm |
re: #10 freetoken
I believe that Kübler-Ross would call this the "bargaining" stage:
hehe I'm assuming Acceptance is next?
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:24:17pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Seems to be a running theme amongst the deniers now: "So what if it's getting warmer? We should be happy for the warmth, it means shorter winters and lower energy usage! You enviro-nuts should be happy we won't be so reliant on oil for heating in cold winters!"
Bleh. A lot of them aren't even real skeptics. There are few I suppose with a scientific background but you can count them on one hand. But as for the rest of the denial club it's beyond just mere ignorance and is instead a great deal of paranoia and hostility. Almost bordering on violence it seems when you watch them get all hot headed in anger. You have one group there at are very passive about it. The others? Look out.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:25:51pm |
And, speaking of climate change denial, Truthout - a site I normally hold at arms length - has an article out today about the less-than-transparent ALEC and climate change denialism:
ALEC Behind Push to Require Climate Denial Instruction in Schools
Oh, and the usual denier + ODS stew shows up today, in regards to Obama's latest push about "clean" energy:
What global warming? Barack Obama attends tree-hugger event in a 22-vehicle motorcade
Quite aside from the hypocrisy of turning up at an environmental event in a motorcade of 22 carbon-belching cars, there's the question of the imperial presidency.
[...]
So, the whole stinkin' stew of hate isn't so much about climate change, but just another excuse for the haters to get their hate-on another day.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:27:12pm |
re: #13 BishopX
There is also the danger of large amounts of methane being released when the permafrost thaws, which it is beginning to do right now.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:28:17pm |
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Notice that we are still in stage 2 of the Kübler-Ross model.
[Pulls pipe away from face.]
That's right Bob.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:28:59pm |
re: #12 freetoken
I maintaing that climate change is unbearably slow, for the human social system, and thus it has little real influence in politics, etc.
We are apes with rather short attention spans. Oh, we "plan" for longer timeframes than our nearest cousins (we think), but most of the time we're driven by our blood sugar levels, or testosterone levels, in our blood.
I have nothing intellectual to add, but you made me think of this:
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:29:56pm |
Not sure if this has been posted here today, but it's one hell of a doozy:
WSJ: No Need to Panic About Global Warming
It's a letter from 16 scientists who are calling on leaders and candidates for those jobs to adopt the denier attitude, based upon the "global warming isn't happening as predicted, but the mild warming is beneficial" theory. But here's the kicker:
A recent study of a wide variety of policy options by Yale economist William Nordhaus showed that nearly the highest benefit-to-cost ratio is achieved for a policy that allows 50 more years of economic growth unimpeded by greenhouse gas controls. This would be especially beneficial to the less-developed parts of the world that would like to share some of the same advantages of material well-being, health and life expectancy that the fully developed parts of the world enjoy now. Many other policy responses would have a negative return on investment. And it is likely that more CO2 and the modest warming that may come with it will be an overall benefit to the planet.
"Yes, we agree that warming is happening, but we don't see it such a big deal, so we think it best to revisit the subject in 50 years."
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:31:41pm |
re: #14 marjoriemoon
hehe I'm assuming Acceptance is next?
Only in the bitter end, probably post-2050. Currently elements of our society are in stages "denial" to "bargaining".
Then comes depression.
Finally comes acceptance.
We have so many problems on our plate (several, but not all, do relate to climate and environmental issues), that I doubt any political body will address climate change in a manner needed to seriously limit the damage. The survivors will just adapt.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:32:27pm |
Seems like the right thread for this...
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:32:42pm |
re: #21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That was linked to by Paul Mulshine, the nit to which I linked just previously.
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:33:46pm |
Austin City Limits will have Florence + The Machine on this Saturday:[Link: video.pbs.org...]
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:36:01pm |
re: #24 freetoken
That was linked to by Paul Mulshine, the nit to which I linked just previously.
Ah, my apologies, I ran across it on another board. It's like one long grab-bag of all the denial talking points, from "no warming in last 10 years," to "scientists are being run out of town for denying," and "global warming's a hoax perpetuated by the first world to keep the third-world down!"
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:38:44pm |
Meanwhile, the Syrian Opposition is beginning to gain control of several cities and towns. Among them:
Saqba (Just outside Damascus)
Homs (Being Shelled)
Hama (Being Shelled)
Idlib (Being Shelled)
If Turkey decides to act (Which it well may, as things are getting more vicious. Within 48-72 hours, the death toll will pass 7,000), we would like be dragged along, by dint of the fact we have bases in Turkey, with some in relatively close proximity to Syria.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:39:54pm |
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:40:14pm |
re: #29 ProLifeLiberal
Also, Morocco is now acting in the UN to try to force something through.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:40:37pm |
re: #21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
From the WSJ piece:
And it is likely that more CO2 and the modest warming that may come with it will be an overall benefit to the planet.
That's been the fallback position all along. After the blatant attacks on the science, and the social movements, the resultant actions has been... inaction. All well in good (from the viewpoint of the fossil fuel interests who like to fund these things), but eventually the reality of the change will be too obvious.
So they need a fallback position, and it has always been "but it will be a net good."
That's been the position all along of some of the 16 who signed that piece in the WSJ, especially Will Happer (not a climatologist but a nuclear guy), who has been called by the GOP to testify in front of Congress before, on behalf of the obfuscation-club.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:41:35pm |
re: #22 freetoken
Only in the bitter end, probably post-2050. Currently elements of our society are in stages "denial" to "bargaining".
Then comes depression.
Finally comes acceptance.
We have so many problems on our plate (several, but not all, do relate to climate and environmental issues), that I doubt any political body will address climate change in a manner needed to seriously limit the damage. The survivors will just adapt.
What can I do except recycle, conserve energy, vote for people who vow to protect the environment. That's actually another Florida issue. We're losing the Everglades which is our source of fresh water and wildlife. Most of that is manmade, though.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:44:05pm |
When you don't want to panic try Nihilism!
Available in Gluten free varieties.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:44:37pm |
re: #32 freetoken
From the WSJ piece:
That's been the fallback position all along. After the blatant attacks on the science, and the social movements, the resultant actions has been... inaction. All well in good (from the viewpoint of the fossil fuel interests who like to fund these things), but eventually the reality of the change will be too obvious.
So they need a fallback position, and it has always been "but it will be a net good."
That's been the position all along of some of the 16 who signed that piece in the WSJ, especially Will Happer (not a climatologist but a nuclear guy), who has been called by the GOP to testify in front of Congress before, on behalf of the obfuscation-club.
This is about the point in the disaster where the band begins playing "Nearer My God to Thee."
/
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:46:13pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
When you don't want to panic try Nihilism!
Available in Gluten free varieties.
If I ever become that cynical, I'll pay somebody to beat some sense back into me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:46:50pm |
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:47:17pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If I ever become that cynical, I'll pay somebody to beat some sense back into me.
I'm cynical so I can do that for you. ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:47:39pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If I ever become that cynical, I'll pay somebody to beat some sense back into me.
You are that cynical. Now, what kind of payment are we talking here?
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:48:04pm |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
You are that cynical. Now, what kind of payment are we talking here?
Quatloos.
/
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:48:41pm |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
You are that cynical. Now, what kind of payment are we talking here?
I didn't think of that one. That's funny. ;)
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:49:58pm |
re: #33 marjoriemoon
What can I do except recycle, conserve energy, vote for people who vow to protect the environment. That's actually another Florida issue. We're losing the Everglades which is our source of fresh water and wildlife. Most of that is manmade, though.
Yes, loss of critical wetlands is one of the issues many locations face. We humans have been building on coastlines for many, many years (hundreds of thousands). When we were small in number the impact just blended with the rest of the eco-system. Now we're changing these areas dramatically, far more quickly and extensively than the food-webs can adapt.
What can we do? Well, for myself I do limit my "footprint" more than most Americans - but I am single and have no children to support and thus have that luxury (of living however I want to.)
Simply by being in California, even though I have limited my car use by over 90%, I consume much much more energy per year than most people on the planet. 2/3rd's of my water is piped to me from great distances - an energy hog. Half my food comes via trucks from far away, the other half via trucks from within 100 miles but still by truck.
By being an American I participate in a society with massive commitments (around the world, too), all of which takes the use of large quantities of energy to fulfill.
So, I do get in a doomer mood when I consider all of this. Even with my best efforts my life still requires vastly more energy than what my immediate landscape can provide (since we don't really use the solar energy flow here.) SoCal could exploit solar energy for a great share of our energy needs, but that would require massive infrastructure changes, which all costs which is why we've not done it. (Baseline electricity could be provided by a couple of nukes.)
So here we sit... I think I need more chocolate or something.
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:50:38pm |
re: #22 freetoken
We have so many problems on our plate (several, but not all, do relate to climate and environmental issues), that I doubt any political body will address climate change in a manner needed to seriously limit the damage.
Then, barring a geo/genetic-engineering miracle, the human race goes extinct.
The survivors will just adapt.
Can't adapt to a poisoned atmosphere. Massive methane release + existing CO2 - carbon sinks and oxygen sources = bye-bye humans. I think the rate of catastrophic change will be much faster than people think, once the tipping points are crossed. As I've said before, too many bad things (oxymoronically known as "positive feedbacks") are happening all at once.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:50:40pm |
Anyway. It's a bit funny to see someone say don't panic because if people where even half-way to panic it might be a good thing. Of course, we shouldn't ever panic when performing out tasks. At least try not to.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:54:41pm |
Oddly enough the opposition many of which are in the anger state frequently displayed in panic mode. It's not even an oddly observation. They are in panic mode even up to the conspiracy stage including mania.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:57:33pm |
re: #7 BigPapa
With salsa, extra cilantro, and a shot of silver to chase.
Hehe I just grilled some skirt steaks outside. I grill em till the edges are nice and crispy.
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engineer cat Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:59:04pm |
panic
organisms that spent millions of years adapting better and better to living as hunters and gatherers on the open plain, in the forest, and in the jungle
suddenly find themselves living in cube farms, malls, and living rooms
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:00:50pm |
re: #47 Gus 802
Oddly enough the opposition many of which are in the anger state frequently displayed in panic mode. It's not even an oddly observation. They are in panic mode even up to the conspiracy stage including mania.
What blows my mind is that, when you look at their idiotic and delusional worst-case scenarios:
population control!! tyranny!1! world government!!1! economic collapse!11!! food shortages!!11!!
...it's exactly what will happen if AGW remains unaddressed. Hell, big-government, tyrannical water rationing is already occurring in Texas, and will only get worse as farmers/residents have to compete with water-wasting coal plants and fracking.
Once again, wingers excel at projection (in this case, blaming symptoms of the disease on the only medicine that can actually treat it)
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windsagio Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:05:19pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
for some reason whenever I hear mention of desert water rationing I think of this:
Image: mid-Bellagio_casino_fountain_feature_(medium_quality).ogv.jpg
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:06:14pm |
re: #53 windsagio
Las Vegas exists solely to help Americans escape reality.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:07:52pm |
re: #52 publicityStunted
What blows my mind is that, when you look at their idiotic and delusional worst-case scenarios:
...it's exactly what will happen if AGW remains unaddressed. Hell, big-government, tyrannical water rationing is already occurring in Texas, and will only get worse as farmers/residents have to compete with water-wasting coal plants and fracking.
Once again, wingers excel at projection (in this case, blaming symptoms of the disease on the only medicine that can actually treat it)
The only thing I can think of then is monetizing it. It can therefore become and investment. If we could get the carrot and stick of business to provide a private solution rather than a public one; and since we can't get a consensus on the public solution -- so therefore at least even trying a private sector model. We are of course talking about energy markets that impact the private sector in the first place. Perhaps more education to teach these future business leaders that good Earth stewardship is an integral part of good, sustainable, business.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:09:54pm |
re: #51 engineer dog
panic
organisms that spent millions of years adapting better and better to living as hunters and gatherers on the open plain, in the forest, and in the jungle
suddenly find themselves living in cube farms, malls, and living rooms
"People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:10:19pm |
re: #56 windsagio
kinda describing cap'n'trade >>
I'm sure we can think of at least 100 things more.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:11:57pm |
re: #55 Gus 802
Perhaps more education to teach these future business leaders that good Earth stewardship is an integral part of good, sustainable, business.
Ah, but there is the hard nugget.
As we see relentlessly on the Clown Car Roadshow this year, "we" think only in terms of our own little area, our own interests. And this is true of other nations and societies too.
Here is the tough moral dilemma to which I have yet to find a sufficient answer: how to get people to modify their current lifestyles for the sake of other people they will never know (because of distance in space and/or time)?
Example: How to convince those GOP primary voters that they should care about some African child in Sudan who is born in the year 2122?
I don't know the answer.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:14:12pm |
re: #59 freetoken
Ah, but there is the hard nugget.
As we see relentlessly on the Clown Car Roadshow this year, "we" think only in terms of our own little area, our own interests. And this is true of other nations and societies too.
Here is the tough moral dilemma to which I have yet to find a sufficient answer: how to get people to modify their current lifestyles for the sake of other people they will never know (because of distance in space and/or time)?
Example: How to convince those GOP primary voters that they should care about some African child in Sudan who is born in the year 2122?
I don't know the answer.
"He'll vote for your great-great-great-grandson for world emperor!"
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:14:52pm |
re: #59 freetoken
Ah, but there is the hard nugget.
As we see relentlessly on the Clown Car Roadshow this year, "we" think only in terms of our own little area, our own interests. And this is true of other nations and societies too.
Here is the tough moral dilemma to which I have yet to find a sufficient answer: how to get people to modify their current lifestyles for the sake of other people they will never know (because of distance in space and/or time)?
Example: How to convince those GOP primary voters that they should care about some African child in Sudan who is born in the year 2122?
I don't know the answer.
It doesn't even have to be that big of a lifestyle change. I constantly see people driving around in vehicles with energy that exceed their requirement. There's not need at all to have one person requiring the use of a 3,000 pound vehicle with all the amenities and having close to 300 hp at hand. It does not take that much energy to transport people in motorized vehicles.
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:15:09pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
I'm sure we can think of at least 100 things more.
Ending Fossil Fuel Subsidies Would Get Us Halfway to Preventing Dangerous Climate Change
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:15:49pm |
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:16:39pm |
re: #65 freetoken
But the babes like guys with big ... engines.
Not if said babes see such a thing as "compensation" ;)
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:17:43pm |
re: #65 freetoken
But the babes like guys with big ... engines.
It's not like that in Denver. This is like Subaru country. But I know what you're talking about. I spent the Summer down around Gilroy last year. Think I saw one truck that had nitrous injection. That thing was a rocket and gun metal grey. Choppers. Give me fuel, give me fire...
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:18:34pm |
But you'd be surprised though. Some of the newest muscle cars are getting close to 30 MPG now. Probably doing it with a 6 cyl. Still. 30 mpg is pretty good for those cars.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:19:12pm |
re: #61 Gus 802
It doesn't even have to be that big of a lifestyle change. I constantly see people driving around in vehicles with energy that exceed their requirement. There's not need at all to have one person requiring the use of a 3,000 pound vehicle with all the amenities and having close to 300 hp at hand. It does not take that much energy to transport people in motorized vehicles.
That's just it, we're a nation that's used our might and one kind of threat or another to keep "cheap oil" on the national diet, keeping us from suffering the sort of pressure other first-world nations have had to face in accepting smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles. Even now, while fuel-efficiency is becoming a major badge of honor in Detroit, it's still coupled to the idea that you can get better fuel mileage with a motor that's still pumping out enough horse power to kick-start a turbojet engine.
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jaunte Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:27:37pm |
Remarkable Editorial Bias on Climate Science at the Wall Street Journal
"...the most amazing and telling evidence of the bias of the Wall Street Journal in this field is the fact that 255 members of the United States National Academy of Sciences wrote a comparable (but scientifically accurate) essay on the realities of climate change and on the need for improved and serious public debate around the issue, offered it to the Wall Street Journal, and were turned down. The National Academy of Sciences is the nation’s pre-eminent independent scientific organizations. Its members are among the most respected in the world in their fields. Yet the Journal wouldn’t publish this letter, from more than 15 times as many top scientists. Instead they chose to publish an error-filled and misleading piece on climate because some so-called experts aligned with their bias signed it."
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:27:56pm |
re: #59 freetoken
Here is the tough moral dilemma to which I have yet to find a sufficient answer: how to get people to modify their current lifestyles for the sake of other people they will never know (because of distance in space and/or time)?
Example: How to convince those GOP primary voters that they should care about some African child in Sudan who is born in the year 2122?
You can't and you don't have to. I think you're getting too caught up in the long-term view - you want people to change, point out how something that seems far-off is actually hurting them in the here and now. Don't like last summer's drought? Think of it becoming worse and worse, year after year after year. Think you're paying too much for food? It will only get more expensive. If our shallow, brain-dead, celebrity-obsessed corporate media would only make this point at least once in a while, we'd be halfway there already.
This is what good artists, writers, movie-makers, and yes, propagandists do - tap into people's existing mindset and beliefs to make them think and feel things beyond their immediate sphere.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:28:23pm |
In a slightly related topic, climate change is increasingly being linked to human evolution, and why "we" (Homo sapiens) became who we are. Namely, all during the Pleistocene as glaciation and deglaciation events occurred groups of Homo were pushed/pulled around the Africa and Eurasian continents, thus leading to the interbreeding events such as with the Neanderthals and the Denisovans.
This is brought up by Steve Pinker in the video he did last month (Rethinking Out of Africa, highly recommended) for Edge magazine, and interview that got little coverage last month but this week popped up as items of interest on some anthro sites.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:28:58pm |
re: #69 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's just it, we're a nation that's used our might and one kind of threat or another to keep "cheap oil" on the national diet, keeping us from suffering the sort of pressure other first-world nations have had to face in accepting smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles. Even now, while fuel-efficiency is becoming a major badge of honor in Detroit, it's still coupled to the idea that you can get better fuel mileage with a motor that's still pumping out enough horse power to kick-start a turbojet engine.
As a whole. But if you go into metropolitan areas you'll find a rather substantial number of people that are already on board. Of course living in a city always conserves energy. People in the agri or mining business are pretty open to alternative fuels. Small cars are still the choice for urban folks.
I drove pretty far last year. There's a lot of long stretches of bare country. You can't get any wireless signals. Most of the power lines are pass-thrus. It's rather wild out in the back country even along interstates.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:30:05pm |
re: #70 jaunte
Remarkable Editorial Bias on Climate Science at the Wall Street Journal
The WSJ editorial board, just one of many victims of the Murdoch family.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:31:27pm |
re: #70 jaunte
Remarkable Editorial Bias on Climate Science at the Wall Street Journal
The irony... that article is on the Forbes website, which itself often caters to the denier/obfuscation crowd.
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:32:49pm |
re: #70 jaunte
Remarkable Editorial Bias on Climate Science at the Wall Street Journal
Holy fried and buttered fucksticks, right-wing glibertarian publication Forbes put out this piece? Perhaps there's hope after all ;)
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:33:37pm |
re: #76 publicityStunted
Holy fried and buttered fucksticks, right-wing glibertarian publication Forbes put out this piece? Perhaps there's hope after all ;)
Hope or just rivalry?
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:33:53pm |
re: #76 publicityStunted
Holy fried and buttered fucksticks
Upding for that phrase alone. Must. Steal.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:34:48pm |
re: #77 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hope or just rivalry?
It's at this point where I interject that Vincent Kennedy McMahon is friends with many of these fellow millionaires/billionaires.
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Interesting Times Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:39:35pm |
Jon Stewart on Gingrich’s Lunar Base Plan:
“Newt Gingrich did that global warming ad with Nancy Pelosi, realized that the Earth is very sick, and now he wants to leave it for a younger planet.”
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engineer cat Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:39:44pm |
re: #74 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The WSJ editorial board, just one of many victims of the Murdoch crime family.
fxt
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:39:51pm |
If people made more then they can better negotiate whatever mitigating changes they need to do. If we keep OWS simple the message is this. Pay people more. It will help to attain change.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:43:24pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:46:20pm |
re: #84 Gus 802
If people made more then they can better negotiate whatever mitigating changes they need to do. If we keep OWS simple the message is this. Pay people more. It will help to attain change.
That, of course, it why all the talk about "giving choice" and all that is bullshit. Giving a person a choice, even the illusion of choice, is pointless if they can't take advantage of it. Individual health insurance is outrageously expensive, even before you get into the realm of things like co-pays and deductibles, meaning giving people the ability to choose which plan "best suits them" is laughable.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:52:49pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That, of course, it why all the talk about "giving choice" and all that is bullshit. Giving a person a choice, even the illusion of choice, is pointless if they can't take advantage of it. Individual health insurance is outrageously expensive, even before you get into the realm of things like co-pays and deductibles, meaning giving people the ability to choose which plan "best suits them" is laughable.
The in one lines it's simple. Labor costs are not only too low in China but they're even too low in the USA. OK, not that simple.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:59:00pm |
re: #87 Gus 802
The in one lines it's simple. Labor costs are not only too low in China but they're even too low in the USA. OK, not that simple.
Not saying that paying people more is a bad idea, on the contrary, I'm saying that it's the only way of helping people attain real choice. So long as people are paid a pittance, strung along with piss-ant group insurance plans dependent on their employment status, and forced to work harder and longer to keep their jobs under threat of replacement by people who will work for less, choice is the greatest illusion of all in our leaders arsenal.
I'm happy that the GOP is slowly coming around to the reality that keeping health insurance wedded to employment is a bad idea, I just wish they'd held that position back in '09, when they were bitching a fit that the ACA would cause millions to lose their insurance benefits from their jobs.
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Kronocide Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:00:43pm |
Ariz. police officer's Obama photo prompts probe
The Secret Service says it's investigating a Peoria, Ariz., police sergeant who posted a photo on Facebook that shows a bullet-riddled T-shirt with the image of President Barack Obama.
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simoom Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:03:15pm |
Norquist: if the GOP wins both Houses & the Presidency, extend the Bush-era tax cuts through reconciliation another 10 years. Alternately...
[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]
NJ What if the Democrats still have control? What’s your scenario then?
NORQUIST Obama can sit there and let all the tax [cuts] lapse, and then the Republicans will have enough votes in the Senate in 2014 to impeach.
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:03:52pm |
re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm happy that the GOP is slowly coming around to the reality that keeping health insurance wedded to employment is a bad idea, I just wish they'd held that position back in '09, when they were bitching a fit that the ACA would cause millions to lose their insurance benefits from their jobs.
Really? What, or who, is indicating this change in attitude?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:05:19pm |
re: #84 Gus 802
If people made more then they can better negotiate whatever mitigating changes they need to do. If we keep OWS simple the message is this. Pay people more. It will help to attain change.
But the business goal is to pay people the least they possibly can. Profit first.
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:06:13pm |
re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not saying that paying people more is a bad idea, on the contrary, I'm saying that it's the only way of helping people attain real choice. So long as people are paid a pittance, strung along with piss-ant group insurance plans dependent on their employment status, and forced to work harder and longer to keep their jobs under threat of replacement by people who will work for less, choice is the greatest illusion of all in our leaders arsenal.
I'm happy that the GOP is slowly coming around to the reality that keeping health insurance wedded to employment is a bad idea, I just wish they'd held that position back in '09, when they were bitching a fit that the ACA would cause millions to lose their insurance benefits from their jobs.
It's cool. I wasn't saying "you weren't saying." I'm not playing chess here. Just putting out some ideas. There will be overlap. :)
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:07:23pm |
re: #92 Stanley Sea
But the business goal is to pay people the least they possibly can. Profit first.
I find myself sometimes thinking about why some of them are so worried about my personal life.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:09:04pm |
re: #91 allegro
Really? What, or who, is indicating this change in attitude?
At last night's debate, Paul and Romney were talking individual health insurance, while Newt acknowledged that being able to get insurance as a group separate from employment is the better option, and Santorum just giving a "ditto" answer but throwing in HSAs.
So yeah, they're at least entertaining the idea of individual health insurance, but my guess is that was just to avoid being stamped with the "insurance company whores" stamp.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:09:40pm |
re: #93 Gus 802
It's cool. I wasn't saying "you weren't saying." I'm not playing chess here. Just putting out some ideas. There will be overlap. :)
No prob, Gus, misread on my part. One of the drawbacks to a non-visual communication media is not being able to read the guy across from ya.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:10:22pm |
re: #90 simoom
Norquist: if the GOP wins both Houses & the Presidency, extend the Bush-era tax cuts through reconciliation another 10 years. Alternately...
[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]
Impeach, it's easy now!
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Gus Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:11:21pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No prob, Gus, misread on my part. One of the drawbacks to a non-visual communication media is not being able to read the guy across from ya.
Fist bump! ;)
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:11:55pm |
re: #90 simoom
Norquist: if the GOP wins both Houses & the Presidency, extend the Bush-era tax cuts through reconciliation another 10 years. Alternately...
[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]
On what grounds is he expecting them to impeach? The high crime of not protecting the wealth of the 1%?
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Lidane Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:15:12pm |
re: #99 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
On what grounds is he expecting them to impeach?
Because he's Grover Norquist. That's why.
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:16:08pm |
re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
At last night's debate, Paul and Romney were talking individual health insurance, while Newt acknowledged that being able to get insurance as a group separate from employment is the better option, and Santorum just giving a "ditto" answer but throwing in HSAs.
So yeah, they're at least entertaining the idea of individual health insurance, but my guess is that was just to avoid being stamped with the "insurance company whores" stamp.
Ah, I see. I was unable to watch last night's debate due to pressing business. (Really, pressing. I had to iron a blouse and slacks for a meeting today and I can only iron to anything-not-nauseating. It's a thing.) I missed that.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:17:36pm |
re: #102 allegro
Ah, I see. I was unable to watch last night's debate due to pressing business. (Really, pressing. I had to iron a blouse and slacks for a meeting today and I can only iron to anything-not-nauseating. It's a thing.) I missed that.
Yeah, the really shitty part is that all responses were to a question from a woman in the audience who was unemployed for the first time in 10 years and couldn't afford health insurance, asking them what they'd do to help her if she should get ill. The general consensus seemed to be "You're fucked."
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:19:51pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, the really shitty part is that all responses were to a question from a woman in the audience who was unemployed for the first time in 10 years and couldn't afford health insurance, asking them what they'd do to help her if she should get ill. The general consensus seemed to be "You're fucked."
I'm surprised the audience didn't boo her for being such a leech on society.
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:21:01pm |
re: #104 allegro
I'm surprised the audience didn't boo her for being such a leech on society.
Or maybe they did. Dunno cuz I was busy being anywhere else.
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darthstar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:22:04pm |
Best off-the-cuff response to a question on Marriage Equality I've heard.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:23:14pm |
re: #104 allegro
I'm surprised the audience didn't boo her for being such a leech on society.
Oh, I'm sure there were more than a few in the audience in the exact same position. She just got elected the one to stand up and ask the mighty wizards what they would do to help the land. And, for her troubles, she basically got told that one day they might be able to help her, but for the time being, she's SOL.
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simoom Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:25:05pm |
re: #99 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
On what grounds is he expecting them to impeach?
Apparently letting legislation expire that will sunset by design amounts to Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors... hmmm... let's go with treason... why not? ///
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:29:03pm |
re: #106 darthstar
Best off-the-cuff response to a question on Marriage Equality I've heard.
[Video]
I'm in love. Who is that guy?
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:30:07pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, the really shitty part is that all responses were to a question from a woman in the audience who was unemployed for the first time in 10 years and couldn't afford health insurance, asking them what they'd do to help her if she should get ill. The general consensus seemed to be "You're fucked."
Did you notice, when the director pulled up the camera shot of her after the last "answer" to her question, that she was clapping enthusiastically at the "answers"?
Tell people what supports their pre-existing biases. This is the fundamental operation of anyone who wants to make money off of people.
Otherwise, you can always spend your life trying to challenge peoples' beliefs. You'll end up living off of locusts and wearing sacks for clothes, but when your dead they'll append "prophet" to your tombstone.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:31:01pm |
Got a two-fer for geeks amongst us, a Portal 2 remix of "This is Halloween" from Nightmare Before Christmas:
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darthstar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:33:48pm |
re: #109 allegro
I'm in love. Who is that guy?
Mayor of Newark, New Jersey.
I love how he frames the whole answer around first-class vs second class citizens...without ever saying "gay marriage."
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:34:38pm |
re: #109 allegro
I'm in love. Who is that guy?
Never mind. I boogied to YouTube to look. Cory Booker, mayor of someplace in NJ. A name I will be remembering.
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abolitionist Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:35:00pm |
re: #106 darthstar
Best off-the-cuff response to a question on Marriage Equality I've heard.
[Video]
Bravo. Do you know who is this guy?
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abolitionist Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:38:01pm |
It's Mayor Cory Booker of Newark. The microphones are identically arranged, so this probably includes the shorter excerpt.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:41:15pm |
re: #106 darthstar
Best off-the-cuff response to a question on Marriage Equality I've heard.
[Video]
Well that was worth the watch.
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allegro Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:42:09pm |
re: #112 darthstar
Mayor of Newark, New Jersey.
I love how he frames the whole answer around first-class vs second class citizens...without ever saying "gay marriage."
I was more impressed by his saying that a matter of civil rights is not a matter for a popular vote.
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darthstar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:44:02pm |
Okay...time to grab a book (paper) and read for a bit before bed. Peace and love to everyone...mostly.
See you all in the morning.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:48:38pm |
re: #116 Stanley Sea
Well that was worth the watch.
Actually I think I heard his name last year about some great low crime rate or something. Newark I guess was pretty high in that realm.
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The Yankee Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:50:10pm |
I think Dr. Tyson is great I honestly don't recall anything that he has said that I did not totally agreement. I don't know how some prepare him to Carl Sagan, but i prefer him as far as attitude and his voice compared to Carl.
[Link: video.msnbc.msn.com...]
I don't see Sagan being as aggressive or amusing as Dr. Tyson. But he was a tad before my generation. Carl Sagan always seem a bit out of his element (a bit too geeky) and seem to aim his speeches towards children and young adults.
But both of them seem to be smarter then Newt.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:57:55pm |
Good Evening, all. For it's been a week of changes, and it is ending with a change, but it's a sad one. One of my mother's two cats died today. The cat, a black longhair named BC (for "Black Cat") was a older cat aged 16. Though her sister of equal age is still in decent shape, BC was never in prime health in her whole life, so her death, while sad, has left no one torn up. She'd been doing poorly all week (I noticed earlier this week, when she fell on her side after I'd set her down (feet down) from about 3-4 inches off the ground, which had never bothered her before), and today hadn't even been able to really move. She died soon after I got to my parent's house from work. Worried that I might have contributed to her final illness, (I know I did not mistreat her, but even the thought hurts a good bit), my last words to her were "I'm sorry, BC." Less than an hour later, she was gone.
She was my mother's cat, so it won't be me she waits for in the next life. So, here's a picture of her in better times. Goodbye, BC, you were a good companion and you family will miss you.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:03:59pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
I feel ya, Dark, I've lost two cats in the last 5 years. Don't beat yourself up over this, even a little, because it sounds like she had a good and long life with plenty of love. It was her time and there's likely nothing you did that hastened it.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:05:41pm |
re: #119 Stanley Sea
Actually I think I heard his name last year about some great low crime rate or something. Newark I guess was pretty high in that realm.
He's been working hard to cut crime on Newark. The police force cuts he was forced to make have set him back a good ways, but he has persevered and retained the nucleus of an effective police force. And when revenues turned out better than expected, he hired cops back as his first priority. He's as much a reformer of Newark as Chris Christe is of the whole state. Perhaps the Garden State will finally gain lasting reform.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:09:08pm |
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windsagio Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:11:16pm |
re: #124 freetoken
dissapointed, I thought that was a hilariously misspelled 'overview'
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:11:47pm |
re: #124 freetoken
OUR VIEW: What's so bad about creationism in public schools?
...sigh...
One Word Answer: Plenty
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:12:36pm |
re: #124 freetoken
OUR VIEW: What's so bad about creationism in public schools?
...sigh...
None at all, so long as it's limited to places appropriate, like philosophy classes. Teaching creationism as an "alternative" to evolution is a bit like teaching the Ptolemy model of a geocentric universe as an "alternative" to everything we've learned about the universe in the last century alone.
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:13:56pm |
BTW, while the GOP dominated IN senate was doing the Back-To-The-19th_century thing this week, the GOP dominated VA senate was doing its best in one-upmanship:
Panel backs bill to require ultrasound before abortion
Women seeking abortions would be required to have an ultrasound first under a bill that narrowly cleared the Senate Education and Health Committee on Thursday.
Senate Bill 484, sponsored by Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, R-Fauquier, and its companion, Senate Bill 279, sponsored by Sen. Ralph K. Smith, R-Botetourt, passed along party lines, with the committee's eight Republicans supporting the measures and its seven Democrats casting "no" votes.
[...]
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:19:56pm |
re: #128 freetoken
BTW, while the GOP dominated IN senate was doing the Back-To-The-19th_century thing this week, the GOP dominated VA senate was doing its best in one-upmanship:
At the same time, a bill that would allow schools to write their own schedules, i.e. having longer school years that start before Labor Day, got defeated due to opposition from the theme parks and beach towns here in the state that rely upon the extra-long summer breaks for tourist dollars. This in spite of studies showing that longer school years are more beneficial for students, as they retain more knowledge during shorter vacations. Our state government is also a big supporter of the joke that is "abstinence-only" sex education and sneers at the idea of letting students obtain contraceptives via school nurses.
So yeah, it's oh so lovely living in a red state.///
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:22:07pm |
re: #124 freetoken
OUR VIEW: What's so bad about creationism in public schools?
...sigh...
Will equal time be given to the study of alchemy in Chemistry classes and the balancing of the bodily humours in Health Ed?
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windsagio Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:22:47pm |
re: #129 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
and sneers at the idea of letting students obtain contraceptives via school nurses.
So yeah, it's oh so lovely living in a red state.///
Socialized medicine, can you blame 'em?
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:23:06pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Will equal time be given to the study of alchemy in Chemistry classes and the balancing of the bodily humours in Health Ed?
"And today children, we'll be teaching about the healing benefits of blood letting. Now remember, if you feel faint and woozy, that just means its working."
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Varek Raith Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:23:36pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Will equal time be given to the study of alchemy in Chemistry classes and the balancing of the bodily humours in Health Ed?
Varek Raith, Professor of Sith Alchemy.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:24:15pm |
re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"And today children, we'll be teaching about the healing benefits of blood letting. Now remember, if you feel faint and woozy, that just means its working."
"Who wants to be the volunteer for today's trepanning demonstration?"
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:25:14pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Will equal time be given to the study of alchemy in Chemistry classes and the balancing of the bodily humours in Health Ed?
Heh, I know you kid... but... New Hampshire's new law that allows parents to veto anything taught to their kids which they don't like will end in such a dismal swamp of stupidity.
I'm thinking of doing a Page for it if I can muster the energy.
The idea is supported by the Paulbots in that state, and the Cato institute of glib.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:27:06pm |
re: #129 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
At the same time, a bill that would allow schools to write their own schedules, i.e. having longer school years that start before Labor Day, got defeated due to opposition from the theme parks and beach towns here in the state that rely upon the extra-long summer breaks for tourist dollars. This in spite of studies showing that longer school years are more beneficial for students, as they retain more knowledge during shorter vacations. Our state government is also a big supporter of the joke that is "abstinence-only" sex education and sneers at the idea of letting students obtain contraceptives via school nurses.
So yeah, it's oh so lovely living in a red state.///
To be fair, those theme parks and beach towns would have likely shot the longer school year plan down in a blue state as well. It's not about "the children", it's about "the money".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:27:24pm |
re: #128 freetoken
Ralph graduated from my high school (waay before me, I should add).
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windsagio Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:27:46pm |
You know you guys chose something that's evne more unchristian than science right?
Keep Godless sorcery out of our schools!
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:28:23pm |
re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Who wants to be the volunteer for today's trepanning demonstration?"
"Now we will be reviewing the four elements of the universe: fire, earth, air, and water. Now all those liberal eggheads will tell you about this 'Periodical Table of Elements,' but we will prove today that there can't possibly be that many elements in nature."
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:31:33pm |
The thing that gets me is that all of these bills and laws, especially the ones in NH on parents vetoing class material, and the IN law on creationism, are just pretense. The supporters just want to implement their own religion as the norm in society but they won't own up to that (unlike some of the even more radical theocrats, such as the Dominonists, who are blatant about it.)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:33:09pm |
In which we learn that the Smurfs and My Little Pony are demonic in nature:
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windsagio Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:33:32pm |
re: #141 freetoken
well seriously its the legislative equivalent of 'teach the controversy'. They know they can't get their goals met outright, so they do the moral thing and try to slip them in sideways.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:34:43pm |
Watch out for the Satan Puppies! A new Randall video:
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:36:19pm |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
You are that cynical. Now, what kind of payment are we talking here?
Spankings!
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:37:37pm |
re: #141 freetoken
The thing that gets me is that all of these bills and laws, especially the ones in NH on parents vetoing class material, and the IN law on creationism, are just pretense. The supporters just want to implement their own religion as the norm in society but they won't own up to that (unlike some of the even more radical theocrats, such as the Dominonists, who are blatant about it.)
Because, despite what they want to believe, they are themselves a minority amongst Americans, people who think that pushing a single religion on all Americans should be the norm. If they came out and said they want to institute a regime based around their very narrow and strict interpretation of Christianity, they'd get their asses kicked in the polls.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:38:13pm |
re: #143 windsagio
well seriously its the legislative equivalent of 'teach the controversy'. They know they can't get their goals met outright, so they do the moral thing and try to slip them in sideways.
God: Imaginary Friend or Mythical Monstrosity?
Lets teach the controversy guys!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:39:07pm |
re: #127 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
None at all, so long as it's limited to places appropriate, like philosophy classes.
Creationism as it exists in real world has nothing to do with philosophy. It's a set of distortions of science. So it shouldn't be taught anywhere. Quranic, Yezidi, Biblical, Greek and Bushmen creation stories, however, should be taught - in a comparative religion class.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:40:29pm |
re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
God: Imaginary Friend or Mythical Monstrosity?
Lets teach the controversy guys!
Cthulhu?
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:41:04pm |
re: #148 Sergey Romanov
Creationism as it exists in real world has nothing to do with philosophy. It's a set of distortions of science. So it shouldn't be taught anywhere. Quranic, Yezidi, Biblical, Greek and Bushmen creation stories, however, should be taught - in a comparative religion class.
Wings of a Dragon belong in every classroom
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:42:41pm |
re: #149 Floral Giraffe
Cthulhu?
Great Old Ones are simply super powerful extraterrestrial life forms.
Nyarlethotep, on the other hand, would be up for consideration.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:44:00pm |
re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
God: Imaginary Friend or Mythical Monstrosity?
Lets teach the controversy guys!
The Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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freetoken Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:47:32pm |
Let students at least discuss creationism
In regard to John R. Nusbaum’s Jan. 22 letter concerning state Sen. Dennis Kruse’s bill, SB 89, which allows school boards the option of permitting the teaching of creationism as science: It has always been my understanding that we send our children to school to get an all encompassing education. Creationism has been in schoolrooms for as long as there have been schools in this country.
If it isn’t part of their school curriculum today, how will the children of today’s secular society ever know what a driving force religious philosophies were in the creation of this great country?
What intelligent force was it that set off that Big Bang eons ago? Creationism may not be science as defined today, but it certainly is still an option for the origin of this perfectly operating universe and the creation of all that we now know is in it — a fact our students should know and discuss.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:50:15pm |
re: #152 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Only if we can cover him in Fannie's Spaghetti Sauce.
/It's a Chicago-area thing. Fannie's was a fairly popular Italian restaurant in Evanston during the 1970's through the mid 1980's. Even after it closed, its spaghetti sauce was still sold in frozen form at the Treasure Island chain of grocery stories in the area.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:50:16pm |
re: #153 freetoken
So dumb.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:50:59pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:52:58pm |
re: #153 freetoken
Fine for a religion or philosophy class, but not for a science class. Science is about provable facts, far more than overarching concepts of truth. Not that such concepts are not important, for they surely are, but science class is not their place.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:54:19pm |
Creationism != (God created the world)
Creationism = (there's no way silly science can ever explain the world, so let's use the argument from ignorance and assume that therefore it was God) || (scripture of my choice says it, I believe it, that settles it)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:56:08pm |
re: #155 Sergey Romanov
So dumb.
The writer is trying to sound conciliatory,and he does state his argument without insulting those she disagrees with. But other than those positive traits, she's still Stuck On Stupid.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:56:32pm |
A lot of non-creationists / anti-creationists believe that God created the universe and mankind. Needs to be kept in mind so as not to confuse creationism with the idea of creation.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:57:54pm |
re: #161 Sergey Romanov
A lot of non-creationists / anti-creationists believe that God created the universe and mankind. Needs to be kept in mind so as not to confuse creationism with the idea of creation.
Creationism is sort of a little cult around the creation idea.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:03:40pm |
A federal court judge stripped Oakland this week of its right to freely run its Police Department and warned the city that it's a step away from losing total control of the department to a court-appointed federal receiver.For almost a decade, the city has failed to fully comply with a negotiated settlement agreement that laid out 51 things the Police Department had to do to right itself after a nasty police abuse scandal revealed bad practices.
A federal judge gave Oakland officials three more months to comply - or face the music.
After nine years of empty promises, who can blame him?
"The court remains in disbelief that Defendants have yet - nine years later - to achieve what they themselves agreed was doable in no more than five years," U.S. District Court Judge Thelton Henderson wrote.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:15:03pm |
re: #161 Sergey Romanov
A lot of non-creationists / anti-creationists believe that God created the universe and mankind. Needs to be kept in mind so as not to confuse creationism with the idea of creation.
Indeed. Many of the evolution deniers that used to be here did not understand that distinction, and much butt hurt ensued.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:21:39pm |
re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth
Indeed. Many of the evolution deniers that used to be here did not understand that distinction, and much butt hurt ensued.
These single-cell brainiacs, living on a dead louse, still think that dissing creationism is the same as dissing Christianity. Oh well. You can't argue with stupid.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:22:19pm |
re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth
Indeed. Many of the evolution deniers that used to be here did not understand that distinction, and much butt hurt ensued.
For people who believe in an all powerful deity, they sure don't like him to do things they can't understand.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:27:32pm |
re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
For people who believe in an all powerful deity, they sure don't like him to do things they can't understand.
"Working in mysterious ways" apparently does not include Darwinism evolution as a mechanism.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:29:11pm |
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:32:40pm |
re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth
"Working in mysterious ways" apparently does not include
Darwinismevolution as a mechanism.
"The almighty power of God" = unable to operate over billions of years at a scale beyond human comprehension
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:34:31pm |
re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"The almighty power of God" = unable to operate over billions of years at a scale beyond human comprehension
That's not their argument or idea, though.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:36:42pm |
re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"The almighty power of God" = unable to operate over billions of years at a scale beyond human comprehension
In fact, a lot of ID creationists subscribe just to this view, that God operated over billions of years at a vast scale. And they're still dumb creationists.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:37:46pm |
re: #170 Sergey Romanov
That's not their argument or idea, though.
Its the logical conclusion of their argument when they claim the universe is only 5000 years old, despite all evidence to the contrary. Might as well say God made the universe last week.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:39:18pm |
re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its the logical conclusion of their argument when they claim the universe is only 5000 years old, despite all evidence to the contrary.
No, it's not. They only claim that it's 6000-20,000 years old because they believe that Bible says so, not because they believe God is unable to operate otherwise. They do believe he is able to operate otherwise. They just don't believe he did.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:41:10pm |
Oh, I see Orly will be on Alex Jones show. I gotta see that.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:43:04pm |
re: #173 Sergey Romanov
No, it's not. They only claim that it's 6000-20,000 years old because they believe that Bible says so, not because they believe God is unable to operate otherwise. They do believe he is able to operate otherwise. They just don't believe he did.
If they're willing to accept the Bible's version, why do they bother to manufacture fake evidence to try and back it up? Their faith is as strong as tissue paper.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:48:07pm |
re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If they're willing to accept the Bible's version, why do they bother to manufacture fake evidence to try and back it up? Their faith is as strong as tissue paper.
The particular people who do that may or may not worry about their own faith, but they do worry about "the flock", which may waver in the face of all the scientific evidence. So it's a faith-testing issue, a control issue. A "missionary" issue too.
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Kragar Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:51:01pm |
re: #176 Sergey Romanov
The particular people who do that may or may not worry about their own faith, but they do worry about "the flock", which may waver in the face of all the scientific evidence. So it's a faith-testing issue, a control issue. A "missionary" issue too.
I'll stick with Aquinas.
"The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:51:37pm |
In comments at Orly's site I noticed this new exciting CT:
All things are possible when you have a muslim for president.Muslims put Obama in office to take outIran.The Arabians hate Iran and they spent tons of money to put the Obama in office.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:52:10pm |
re: #174 Sergey Romanov
Oh, I see Orly will be on Alex Jones show. I gotta see that.
More like to crow that she "won" in her Georga case against Obama, because he and his lawyer refused to play along and snubbed the subpoena. Checking the net, the birthers are having joygasms, running on the belief that StateSec Kemp will declare Obama ineligible to appear on the Georgia ballot in November, which will convince other Republican governors to move that he be removed from their own states ballots.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:52:17pm |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'll stick with Aquinas.
"The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false."
Yes, and it does not contradict what I said.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:55:24pm |
Kragar "They are evil, ignorant fucks".
Sergey: "No, they are ignorant, evil fucks".
SB: "Guys, don't argue. Can't we just agree that they're all fucks"?
/Paraphrased Bill Hicks
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:57:27pm |
Dear Mr. Jablonski:
I received your letter expressing your concerns with the manner in which the Office of State Administrative Hearings (“OSAH”) has handled the candidate challenges involving your client and advising me that you and your client will “suspend” participation in the administrative proceeding. While I regret that you do not feel that the proceedings are appropriate, my referral of this matter to an administrative law judge at OSAH was in keeping with Georgia law, and specifically O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5.
As you are aware, OSAH Rule 616-1-2-.17 cited in your letter only applies to parties to a hearing. As the referring agency, the Secretary of State’s Office is not a party to the candidate challenge hearings scheduled for tomorrow. To the extent a request to withdraw the case referral is procedurally available, I do not believe such a request would be judicious given the hearing is set for tomorrow morning.
In following the procedures set forth in the Georgia Election Code, I expect the administrative law judge to report his findings to me after his full consideration of the evidence and law. Upon receipt of the report, I will fully and fairly review the entire record and initial decision of the administrative law judge. Anything you and your client place in the record in response to the challenge will be beneficial to my review of the initial decision; however, if you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the OSAH proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril.
I certainly appreciate you contacting me about your concerns, and thank you for your attention to this
matter.
Sincerely,
Brian P. Kemp
Georgia Secretary of State
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Jan 27, 2012 11:59:13pm |
I DID A TALK SHOW “TALK OF ATLANTA”, CLEAR CHANNEL BROUGHT FORMER CONGRESSMAN FROM AZ, JD HAYWORTH TO INTERVIEW ME. HE IS A BIG SUPPORTER OF MINE
Posted on | January 25, 2012 | 3 Comments
Remember that guy?
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:00:55am |
I say Sergey and I team up on SB for getting in the middle of this.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:01:42am |
One thing I gotta hand to Orly: she's a high-level troll.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:02:27am |
re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I say Sergey and I team up on SB for getting in the middle of this.
/
I'm holding him, you glue on the dragon wings!
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:04:10am |
re: #186 Sergey Romanov
I'm holding him, you glue on the dragon wings!
Prepping the Cyanoacrylate and Insta-set as we speak.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:06:08am |
re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I say Sergey and I team up on SB for getting in the middle of this.
/
I not into dudes, but if the price is right...
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:08:44am |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
It's not gay if there's a woman between them.
...God, I hope she's a woman.
Jings0b 2 мес. назад 114
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:10:09am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:16:18am |
re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think we've effectively engorged enraged any gay bashing stalkers that may be lurking.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:16:18am |
re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
With a homey in the middle there's some leeway...
[Video]
I will just assume Dr. Freud had nothing to do with the typo. ///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:17:56am |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
Freudian Slip: When you're talking about one thing but thinking about amother.
/Cliff Claven
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:34:51am |
And now Orly is mad at Arpaio for not appearing in Ga. proceedings.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:39:36am |
re: #194 Sergey Romanov
Wait, are you watching this live? What time is it in Texas?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:43:50am |
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait, are you watching this live? What time is it in Texas?
No, I was reading through Orly's latest entries. She just posted her Arpaio rant.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:45:20am |
re: #196 Sergey Romanov
Ah, Okay. I know AJ is fruit loops, but I didn't figure him for the type to be up this late doing his show.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:47:56am |
re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth
Ah, Okay. I know AJ is fruit loops, but I didn't figure him for the type to be up this late doing his show.
Ah! Now I see how my comment about her appearing at AJ can be confusing in context. No, it will be next week, apparently.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:49:39am |
Heh. KT's comment is lonely on the bottom list. The problem is, it was descriptive. KT described the contents of the Republican "slaveship" ad, he didn't voice his own opinion on the "leftist moochers", it was a Republican view he was describing.
Inertia + knee-jerk, heh.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:09:35am |
I have some issues with Gorbachev, but in the end his heart is in the right place. Novaya gazeta has just published his call for a referendum to end autocracy in Russia: [Link: www.novayagazeta.ru...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:10:18am |
re: #199 Sergey Romanov
Some folk just want to hate on the dude. Tribalists. Others... if they just spent some time getting to know the dude, it would be obvious what his comment was about.
Anyway, dude has some pretty thick scales.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:11:13am |
re: #201 Sergey Romanov
Too lazy to scroll all the way up, were folks talking about Gorb?
From my limited point of view, Gorb seemed to truly care.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:11:31am |
re: #201 Sergey Romanov
I have some issues with Gorbachev, but in the end his heart is in the right place.
His forehead?
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:12:07am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:12:39am |
re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth
It's not so simple. He's been trolling a lot lately, building a lot of ill will, which then blinded some folks to better points he makes. Eh.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:13:09am |
re: #205 boxhead
Hey, you have to at least give me partial credit for not going straight to the dick jokes.
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Jimmi the Grey Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:13:49am |
re: #204 Slumbering Behemoth
His forehead?
I thought that was bleed off of the map of Afghanistan that he kept banging his head against.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:14:18am |
re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth
Hey, you have to at least give me partial credit for not going straight to the dick jokes.
wow.. you must have excellent intelligence reports... lol
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:14:43am |
re: #209 Jimmi the Grey
I thought that was bleed off of the map of Afghanistan that he kept banging his head against.
Doh!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:15:01am |
re: #210 boxhead
Nah, I'm just the resident "dick joke" guy.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:15:17am |
re: #206 Sergey Romanov
It's not so simple. He's been trolling a lot lately, building a lot of ill will, which then blinded some folks to better points he makes. Eh.
You all talking about Trout? His can be very provocative.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:15:33am |
re: #203 boxhead
Too lazy to scroll all the way up, were folks talking about Gorb?
From my limited point of view, Gorb seemed to truly care.
No, I brought him up. Gorbachev made a lot of mistakes along the way, some were bloody too. But in the end he's not a bad guy.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:15:54am |
re: #212 Slumbering Behemoth
Nah, I'm just the resident "dick joke" guy.
Damn you ... you made me spit beer on my screen.... LOL
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:17:26am |
re: #206 Sergey Romanov
Can't say as I blame him all that much. Before any pepper spray even came out, some folks were very insulting when it came to his take on OWS.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:17:33am |
re: #214 Sergey Romanov
No, I brought him up. Gorbachev made a lot of mistakes along the way, some were bloody too. But in the end he's not a bad guy.
He sure does make Putin look dangerous.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:20:03am |
re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth
Can't say as I blame him all that much. Before any pepper spray even came out, some folks were very insulting when it came to his take on OWS.
His take on OWS was insulting long before it came to any pepper spray.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:20:51am |
re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth
Can't say as I blame him all that much. Before any pepper spray even came out, some folks were very insulting when it came to his take on OWS.
While I disagree with trout on most things, I always liked debated him. It never got heated. But I have seen other folks debate with him and all parties were inflamed. What I did not care for was that the Fish was down dinged like folks were playing Wack-A-Mole.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:21:32am |
re: #218 Sergey Romanov
We'll agree to disagree on this?
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Jimmi the Grey Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:23:30am |
re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth
Can't say as I blame him all that much. Before any pepper spray even came out, some folks were very insulting when it came to his take on OWS.
For me it was that he seemed to want them to fail for some reason, and his take on it always took on that spin.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:23:33am |
re: #219 boxhead
There aren't anymore creationists left to bash him, so I guess someone has to pick up the slack.
:P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:24:53am |
Then there's Zhirinovsky. A scoundrel, for sure. Never thought I would agree with him. But I liked yesterday's tongue-lashing he gave the "United Russia" in Duma, threatening to arrest them, the election commission etc.
You don't need to understand what he is saying to get what he is saying ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:26:34am |
re: #221 Jimmi the Grey
Associations perhaps? I sure as shit wouldn't throw in my lot with any dogs that lay down with Anon and the like.
Also many of us here have grown suspicious of protest movements, both left and right, for good reason.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:26:40am |
more on the down dinging.... Personally, I do not down ding because I do not agree with someone. It would have to be a clearly inappropriate comment. Like rude or SPAM. Frankly, I think I have only down dinged someone only one time. Can't recall what it was for. I am rather loose with the up ding thing... heh
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:27:30am |
re: #223 Sergey Romanov
Best. Punk Rock Song. Evar.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:28:45am |
re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth
There aren't anymore creationists left to bash him, so I guess someone has to pick up the slack.
:P
Wait, are you saying the ultra Right Salmon rages against Creationists? LOL... I knew Guppy had some good in him.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:29:20am |
re: #225 boxhead
You and I are simpatico on this. I'm like a liberal PEZ dispenser when it comes to updings. I am much more conservative with downdings.
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Jimmi the Grey Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:30:10am |
re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth
Associations perhaps? I sure as shit wouldn't throw in my lot with any dogs that lay down with Anon and the like.
Also many of us here have grown suspicious of protest movements, both left and right, for good reason.
Perhaps that was it. I was leery of them for those reasons myself. Was hopeful of the greater message though..
Ah well...
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:30:46am |
re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth
Best. Punk Rock Song. Evar.
damn... and I thought the link was a Punk song.... I likes me some good punk. I am almost 50 and last year I still went into a Bad Religion pit.... I have skills... LOL
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:31:01am |
re: #227 boxhead
Wait, are you saying the ultra Right Salmon rages against Creationists? LOL... I knew Guppy had some good in him.
That's so funny. For the longest time, he was the ultra left atheist that everyone loved to hate. Heh.
He hasn't changed much at all, really. The only thing that seems to have changed are his haters.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:32:25am |
re: #229 Jimmi the Grey
I can get down with at least one of their many messages, that being income disparity. A lot of the other shit? They can fuck off.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:32:36am |
re: #221 Jimmi the Grey
For me it was that he seemed to want them to fail for some reason, and his take on it always took on that spin.
That is what he is. He stands for the Righties. If we all agreed on everything here it would be boring.
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:32:46am |
re: #223 Sergey Romanov
You don't need to understand what he is saying to get what he is saying ;)
i'm afraid all i can make out is that he is saying "you assholes suck!!!"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:33:51am |
re: #234 engineer dog
i'm afraid all i can make out is that he is saying "you assholes suck!!!"
Congratulations! You've just passed the "Ы" level Russian exam.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:33:57am |
re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth
You and I are simpatico on this. I'm like a liberal PEZ dispenser when it comes to updings. I am much more conservative with downdings.
LOL The mental image I got was just silly.
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Jimmi the Grey Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:34:35am |
re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth
I can get down with at least one of their many messages, that being income disparity. A lot of the other shit? They can fuck off.
That was the message I was referring to. It and the disparity of opportunity and such.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:34:56am |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
That's so funny. For the longest time, he was the ultra left atheist that everyone loved to hate. Heh.
He hasn't changed much at all, really. The only thing that seems to have changed are his haters.
hmmm, maybe he is just a professional troll. If so, he has skills. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:35:03am |
re: #233 boxhead
That is what he is. He stands for the Righties.
Heh. You should have been here in '07. That comment would have been met with uproarious guffaws from the resident righties of that time.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:37:04am |
re: #239 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. You should have been here in '07. That comment would have been met with uproarious guffaws from the resident righties of that time.
So he was a moderate center-right back then. In the far-far-far-far-right environment. Big deal. GWB and Ann Coulter are seen as liberals now by this type of folks, doesn't mean they are.
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Jimmi the Grey Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:37:37am |
re: #233 boxhead
That is what he is. He stands for the Righties. If we all agreed on everything here it would be boring.
I haven't noticed a distinct left or right tendency from him...but I do notice a bit of an authoritarian streak. Could be misreading it, hard to be sure through text.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:37:40am |
re: #236 boxhead
LOL The mental image I got was just silly.
[Insert Dick Joke Here]
re: #238 boxhead
Nah, like I said above, he hasn't changed much. The only thing that has really changed are his haters. For him to be a professional troll, his message would have to change drastically to target the audience. It hasn't.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:38:04am |
re: #239 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. You should have been here in '07. That comment would have been met with uproarious guffaws from the resident righties of that time.
wow... I morphed the other direction. Started on the Right, stayed in one place, and watched the Right fling absurdly Right. Of course it is more nuanced than that, but it is late and I and drinking... :)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:38:33am |
re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth
He always was a demagogue? That's bad to know.
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:39:51am |
to me, it's not so much his point of view anymore as much as it is that he rides his hobbyhorse into the middle of other discussions over and over, and then gets pissy if you tell him to stuff it
but online political blogs help me increase my power of ignore
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:40:51am |
re: #240 Sergey Romanov
He has described himself as "Classical Liberal". Seems as such to me.
And with that, I will stop. I have reached the end of my comfort limit when it comes to talking about Lizards who are not currently here to speak for themselves.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:42:04am |
re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth
[Insert Dick Joke Here]
re: #238 boxhead
Nah, like I said above, he hasn't changed much. The only thing that has really changed are his haters. For him to be a professional troll, his message would have to change drastically to target the audience. It hasn't.
Back in the early 90's when I was a Usenet admin, I found this FAQ on how to be a troll. It was hilarious. I used to follow the recipe exactly as was written... Many shenanigans ensued.
:)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:42:44am |
re: #244 Sergey Romanov
You are so reading me wrong.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:42:56am |
re: #245 engineer dog
but online political blogs help me increase my power of ignore
LOL.. Sounds like a Super Hero skill... :)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:46:10am |
re: #244 Sergey Romanov
He always was a demagogue? That's bad to know.
Heh, OK. I just noticed that the English meaning of "demagogue" may not be an equivalent to the Russian meaning. In Russian it's a person who uses fallacious rhetoric for some goal or another. In English it seems to be more to do with specifically politicians and populism (correct me if I'm wrong). So I take that back. KT has used a lot of logical fallacies in his OWS diatribes, is what I meant.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:47:05am |
re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth
You are so reading me wrong.
No, I get what you're saying. I'm just pointing another side to that.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:48:14am |
re: #250 Sergey Romanov
Heh, OK. I just noticed that the English meaning of "demagogue" may not be an equivalent to the Russian meaning. In Russian it's a person who uses fallacious rhetoric for some goal or another. In English it seems to be more to do with specifically politicians and populism (correct me if I'm wrong). So I take that back. KT has used a lot of logical fallacies in his OWS diatribes, is what I meant.
In Dungeons and Dragons it means a real bad nasty that probably will kill half your party.
Just saying.. :)
oh... that is demigod... never mind
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:48:16am |
re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth
He has described himself as "Classical Liberal". Seems as such to me.
And with that, I will stop. I have reached the end of my comfort limit when it comes to talking about Lizards who are not currently here to speak for themselves.
Well, I wanted to stop some time ago, and started talking about Zhirik. But you guys kept talking about KT.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:50:30am |
re: #253 boxhead
In Dungeons and Dragons it means a real bad nasty that probably will kill half your party.
Just saying.. :)
oh... that is demigod... never mind
I've got a demi-urge. /
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:50:49am |
re: #250 Sergey Romanov
Heh, OK. I just noticed that the English meaning of "demagogue" may not be an equivalent to the Russian meaning. In Russian it's a person who uses fallacious rhetorics for some goal or another. In English it seems to be more to do with specifically politicians and populism (correct me if I'm wrong). So I take that back. KT has used a lot of logical fallacies in his OWS diatribes, is what I meant.
"demagogue" has "demos", 'people', as one of its roots, and in american implies in addition that this logic-chopper is also a rabble-rouser - stirrin' up th' rubes dontchaknow
as distingiushed from a sophist, who uses fallacious rhetoric to fuck with people's heads in a more refined way
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:51:21am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:51:39am |
re: #256 engineer dog
Yeah, prolly "sophist" is the word I wanted to use.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:51:56am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:52:11am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:54:04am |
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:55:20am |
re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth
Nerd.
You read OOTS?
Since I had to google OOTS, I would say not. Out of the Stick? I used to play D&D in the middle 80's when I had my first computer lab job. I did like playing very much. My playing only lasted about a year. Discrete Math took up way too much time.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:56:23am |
re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth
Nerd.
You read OOTS?
Oh but yeah... I consider myself a nerd... I have many T-Shirts from ThinkGeek. LOL
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:56:29am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:56:42am |
Also, I said this once, and I will repeat it just for some reconciliation: no, we weren't all fair to the Tea Party too, in the rhetorical department.
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:58:02am |
re: #264 boxhead
Since I had to google OOTS, I would say not. Out of the Stick? I used to play D&D in the middle 80's when I had my first computer lab job. I did like playing very much. My playing only lasted about a year. Discrete Math took up way too much time.
speaking of demagogues who abuse logic, newt must have taken indiscreet math
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:58:26am |
re: #267 Sergey Romanov
Also, I said this once, and I will repeat it just for some reconciliation: no, we weren't all fair to the Tea Party too, in the rhetorical department.
Guilty.... I guess it was all the yelling that turned me off at first. Then the misinformed facts. But, deep down, they had legit issues.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:59:36am |
re: #268 engineer dog
speaking of demagogues who abuse logic, newt must have taken indiscreet math
uhhhh.... uhhhh... uhhh... I am laughing here because I love really bad puns... lol
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:59:58am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:01:19am |
re: #264 boxhead
Order of the Stick. It's laugh out loud funny at times.
Also good are Looking For Group and Goblins.
Goblins starts off as some pretty basic artwork mostly revolving around satirizing D&D conventions, but later evolves into more refined artwork with a decent, cohesive story.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:02:38am |
re: #267 Sergey Romanov
You know, this is why I really like LGF.
I'm more to the right of most people here, but when all is said and done, you can pretty much count on reasonable response to come out.
Someone recently asked me why I upding so many posts/comments when I might disgreew ith sentiments of the poster.
My response was simple- if I get something out of the post/comment, I will upding. I don't have to agree with a sentiment to appreciate a thought or idea.
That, and I can use the phrase 'godless heathens' a lot.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:03:44am |
re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth
Order of the Stick. It's laugh out loud funny at times.
Also good are Looking For Group and Goblins.
Goblins starts off as some pretty basic artwork mostly revolving around satirizing D&D conventions, but later evolves into more refined artwork with a decent, cohesive story.
ohh... it is a comic. When I googled it, I just looked at the headline "Giant in the Playground" and thought it was something like when folks run around acting out D&D. heh I will bookmark it...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:04:30am |
re: #269 boxhead
For me, it's more like this: I find the TP phenomenon more destructive than constructive, but I wouldn't call each and every TPer a racist, and I wouldn't say that TP itself is racist (which is not to say TP doesn't have a problem with racism).
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:04:32am |
re: #268 engineer dog
speaking of demagogues who abuse logic, newt must have taken indiscreet math
I cannot begin to tell you how much I dislike that man.
He's a condescending jerk- and that negates just about anything positive he might have to contribute.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:05:21am |
re: #273 researchok
that is exactly why I do the same. good job
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:06:55am |
re: #276 researchok
I cannot begin to tell you how much I dislike that man.
He's a condescending jerk- and that negates just about anything positive he might have to contribute.
i agree - he's an unspeakable little prick
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:07:56am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:07:57am |
re: #275 Sergey Romanov
True, some TP people are against a black President and his policies. But many TP people are against a Dem President and his policies. I find both positions bad, but for very different reasons.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:08:19am |
re: #275 Sergey Romanov
For me, it's more like this: I find the TP phenomenon more destructive than constructive, but I wouldn't call each and every TPer a racist, and I wouldn't say that TP itself is racist (which is not to say TP doesn't have a problem with racism).
There are certainly those elements, but there are also real concerns. Unfortunately the knuckleheads joined in. Rudeness is their worst sin.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:09:40am |
re: #278 engineer dog
Wait, I thought we already established that I was the "Dick Joke" guy?
/
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:10:05am |
Occupy Wall Street: The Lego Set
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:10:24am |
re: #278 engineer dog
i agree - he's an unspeakable little prick
He is- and he isn't an idiot (though he is not the grand thinker he makes himself out to be, either).
His problem is, like any other narcissist, he is his own biggest booster.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:10:33am |
re: #270 boxhead
re: #267 Sergey Romanov
I guess I disagree with both of you. Indeed, looking back I ought to have been flogging them back in 2007 when Ron Paul was doing the "Tea Party" thing (as KT rightly points out, TPs were a Paul thing.) Instead I was more preoccupied with the science-thing (which also begged for lots of input.) Though, it's all part of the same revanchist/atavistic flow of American political discourse.
Sergey - you're in Russia and are more aware of your local society than we... in like manner, looking around at SoCal (firsthand) and at the rest of the US it now appears to me that we are in a big (and slow) meltdown of our belief systems, and lots of people are uncomfortable with that. That's why I keep posting the creationism stuff as I did earlier - it is one of the more visible and obvious signs of this break-up of our myths/self-narratives that is going on.
Tea Partyism, either in the original Paulian form or then in the morphed (e.g., Dick Armey) version, is the popular name given to contemporary reactionary political fervor. Since I really, really despise what they're about, I'll keep hammering it, over and over.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:10:34am |
re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait, I thought we already established that I was the "Dick Joke" guy?
/
And it's on...
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:11:18am |
re: #276 researchok
I cannot begin to tell you how much I dislike that man.
He's a condescending jerk- and that negates just about anything positive he might have to contribute.
My dislike for him has nothing to do with politics. How he was able to leave a wife while she was fighting cancer does not sit well with me. NOTHING he could do or say would change that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:12:19am |
re: #283 Amory Blaine
"Shit is fucked up and bullshit".
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:14:11am |
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:14:41am |
re: #285 freetoken
re: #267 Sergey Romanov
I guess I disagree with both of you. Indeed, looking back I ought to have been flogging them back in 2007 when Ron Paul was doing the "Tea Party" thing (as KT rightly points out, TPs were a Paul thing.) Instead I was more preoccupied with the science-thing (which also begged for lots of input.) Though, it's all part of the same revanchist/atavistic flow of American political discourse.
Sergey - you're in Russia and are more aware of your local society than we... in like manner, looking around at SoCal (firsthand) and at the rest of the US it now appears to me that we are in a big (and slow) meltdown of our belief systems, and lots of people are uncomfortable with that. That's why I keep posting the creationism stuff as I did earlier - it is one of the more visible and obvious signs of this break-up of our myths/self-narratives that is going on.
Tea Partyism, either in the original Paulian form or then in the morphed (e.g., Dick Armey) version, is the popular name given to contemporary reactionary political fervor. Since I really, really despise what they're about, I'll keep hammering it, over and over.
Not sure where we disagreed, but I find myself truly scared over the anti science platform on the Right. It is so ironic that the Righties so hare in Muslim laws while they as crafting their own Theocracy just as ignorant.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:14:46am |
re: #285 freetoken
I'm not saying TP is all about economics and stuff. I agree that on the whole, TP is pretty atavistic, and, moreover, hardcore socon. But it's different than saying that the only reason there is a TP is because the US has a black President. (Although that is an added bonus.) And there was such a sentiment at the peak of our anti-TP criticism, and I think I wrote something like that too.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:16:50am |
re: #285 freetoken
re: #267 Sergey Romanov
I guess I disagree with both of you. Indeed, looking back I ought to have been flogging them back in 2007 when Ron Paul was doing the "Tea Party" thing (as KT rightly points out, TPs were a Paul thing.) Instead I was more preoccupied with the science-thing (which also begged for lots of input.) Though, it's all part of the same revanchist/atavistic flow of American political discourse.
Sergey - you're in Russia and are more aware of your local society than we... in like manner, looking around at SoCal (firsthand) and at the rest of the US it now appears to me that we are in a big (and slow) meltdown of our belief systems, and lots of people are uncomfortable with that. That's why I keep posting the creationism stuff as I did earlier - it is one of the more visible and obvious signs of this break-up of our myths/self-narratives that is going on.
Tea Partyism, either in the original Paulian form or then in the morphed (e.g., Dick Armey) version, is the popular name given to contemporary reactionary political fervor. Since I really, really despise what they're about, I'll keep hammering it, over and over.
I have real issues with the TP, but it was never a monolithic entity. The professional rightie agitators took center stage but there is a real grass roots element for whom spending is their focus.
It seems to me a lot of people went to great lengths to paint the TP aws something it wasn't.
Mary Frances Berry
Professor of American Social Thought and History, U. Penn. :
Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.
As effective politicking, the idea of branding the TP as racist, worked well.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:18:58am |
re: #291 Sergey Romanov
CITATION ISSUED: Misdemeanor: Too Rational for the Internet.
CORRECTIVE ACTION: Compulsory: Do not return until your verbiage is full of "Shitcocks". Heavy drinking while on the internet is mandatory.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:19:49am |
re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth
..and with that, the universe is back in alignment.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:20:23am |
re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth
CITATION ISSUED: Misdemeanor: Too Rational for the Internet.
CORRECTIVE ACTION: Compulsory: Do not return until your verbiage is full of "Shitcocks". Heavy drinking while on the internet is mandatory.
Shitcocks? Pretty please? *hic*
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:22:10am |
re: #285 freetoken
Indeed, looking back I ought to have been flogging them back in 2007 when Ron Paul was doing the "Tea Party" thing (as KT rightly points out, TPs were a Paul thing.)
Hey, man. I've been pointing that out too. :(
:kicks at the dirt:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:22:18am |
This cartoon seems appropriate:
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:23:51am |
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:25:19am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:25:21am |
re: #298 researchok
Sergey, you are a man with refined taste.
Triple reverse self-flattery? ///kiddin
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:26:03am |
You cannot define the TP by their outliers anymore than you can define the Occupy movement by their outliers.
Outliers make for good pictures, good soundbites and manufactured outrage.
Not much else.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:26:11am |
re: #292 researchok
The irony in all that is when someone these days criticizes an action within the OWS thing negatively, and rightly so, they get met with a load of "THEY'RE NOT A MONOLITHIC GROUP"!!!
Heh. Not that I'm down with the TP or the OWS. Just sayin'.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:26:47am |
re: #302 Slumbering Behemoth
The irony in all that is when someone these days criticizes an action within the OWS thing negatively, and rightly so, they get met with a load of "THEY'RE NOT A MONOLITHIC GROUP"!!!
Heh. Not that I'm down with the TP or the OWS. Just sayin'.
My sentiments, exactly.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:27:06am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:28:21am |
BTW, I will continue pimping 11/22/63 while I'm reading it. Good stuff.
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boxhead Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:29:34am |
re: #301 researchok
You cannot define the TP by their outliers anymore than you can define the Occupy movement by their outliers.
Outliers make for good pictures, good soundbites and manufactured outrage.
Not much else.
DING DING DING.... We have a winner!
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:30:10am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:31:25am |
re: #305 Sergey Romanov
Are we talking the horror novelist? The Shining and what not?
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:31:54am |
re: #308 Slumbering Behemoth
Are we talking the horror novelist? The Shining and what not?
the same - i guess he got tired of stabby genres
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:32:22am |
re: #301 researchok
You cannot define the TP by their outliers anymore than you can define the Occupy movement by their outliers.
Outliers make for good pictures, good soundbites and manufactured outrage.
Not much else.
Currently, OWS is defined by its former outliers, as people were predicting back in October. Now it's a bunch of leftist wackos and extremists. So put a lid on them. But they weren't defined by their outliers for a considerable time, and people wanted to paint them as leftist wackos and extremists at that time. This is my problem with ...
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:33:07am |
re: #309 engineer dog
the same - i guess he got tired of stabby genres
Christine and Cujo are my favorites .
Scared the crap outta me
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:34:02am |
re: #308 Slumbering Behemoth
Are we talking the horror novelist? The Shining and what not?
I would no longer describe King as a horror novelist. His defining series is the Dark Tower, and it's not horror. This book is not horror either.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:35:52am |
re: #310 Sergey Romanov
Currently, OWS is defined by its former outliers, as people were predicting back in October. Now it's a bunch of leftist wackos and extremists. So put a lid on them. But they weren't defined by their outliers for a considerable time, and people wanted to paint them as leftist wackos and extremists at that time. This is my problem with ...
Right- but I recall all the drug, rape, assault, genocidal Palestinians, etc., talk.
This is what 24/7 news cable news gets you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:36:28am |
re: #309 engineer dog
Okay, perhaps I'll give it a shot. I kind of lost interest in his stuff round about reading Gerald's Game.
The Dark Tower series is probably my favorite stuff of his. No Spoilers Please! I have only read through half, and I am just waiting for the right moment to finish the rest of the series off.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:37:33am |
re: #305 Sergey Romanov
It's been recommended several times. I don't read fiction (haven't in many years.)
But, in this case instead of waiting for the movie I'll try to find a way to read it.
So I just requested it from my local library.
Looking at how many holds there are on the copies, and calculating the time based on 3 week checkouts, I should have a copy to read in about... oh, 39 weeks.
Maybe the movie will be out by then?
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:38:34am |
376 holds on 29 copies... that's how one can tell a best seller.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:39:38am |
re: #316 freetoken
Just wait 'til libraries start stocking Playboys.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:40:12am |
As is usual for King, he ties his older stories into the new one. Since the hero starts his time travel in 1958, and goes to Derry, you can imagine that inevitably some It characters show up.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:40:22am |
re: #315 freetoken
Maybe the movie will be out by then?
I would never have pegged you as a movie over book guy!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:40:42am |
re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth
Just wait 'til libraries start stocking Playboys.
/
No prob, they should just xerox the articles.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:41:40am |
re: #318 Sergey Romanov
As usual for King, he ties his older stories into the new one. Since the hero starts his time travel in 1958, and goes to Derry, you can imagine that inevitably some It characters show up.
Or Thinner.
More really scary crap.
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researchok Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:44:14am |
Alright reality calls for a while.
Later all.
Godless heathens.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:44:38am |
In my earlier years I wanted to do creative writing (which is probably why I do blog writing now).
I've always wanted to do some historical fiction with re-written timelines. Normally the time travel portion is pretty much just a device for the fiction writer (save for the hardcore SciFi types), but I think approaching that paradox-machine intelligently could lead for some really interesting story-lines.
I'm not for rewriting the Civil War (a popular idea), though I do wonder what would happen if Lincoln would had been moved from Illinois to say the frontier of Iowa, after his early political disappointments.
Some events could lead to really big changes, such as stopping Julius at the Rubicon. Others are much more speculative - such as introducing writing and metal work to the early Incas.
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:44:56am |
re: #320 Sergey Romanov
No prob, they should just xerox the articles.
i imagine if you dug into the back issues, you could find out all about what would be the most urbane scotch to drink in 1963 and where to buy stylish narrow lapel suits like the ones sammy davis junior wears on stage at the copa
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:45:08am |
re: #320 Sergey Romanov
No prob, they should just xerox the articles.
Guh. They are gawd awful. I had a subscription for a while, and one short article I recall was defending "domestic terrorist instructor" Rodney Coronado.
I was one of the few dude who openly claimed to be reading Playboy for the titties.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:45:21am |
re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth
Just wait 'til libraries start stocking Playboys.
Good thing they invented the internet.
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engineer cat Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:49:44am |
Warm Socks Sent To North Korea By Balloon
and on that note i bid you a happy weekend...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:49:51am |
re: #324 engineer dog
i imagine if you dug into the back issues, you could find out all about what would be the most urbane scotch to drink in 1963 and where to buy stylish narrow lapel suits like the ones sammy davis junior wears on stage at the copa
They stopped commenting on the Gentleman's Lifestyle stuff years ago in favor of Black Helicopter and FEMA camp type shit. Mostly.
The legacy has not been served well by Heff's prodigy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:51:05am |
Mile 81, however, is a straight-up horror. Gory one, at that. Love it, but too short.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:58:26am |
re: #330 Sergey Romanov
"Mile 81 is Stand by Me meets Christine"
I so dislike it when critics/reviewers do that.
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RogueOne Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:59:27am |
I supported the TP protests and the OWS protests, in that regard I'm the anti-killgore. I like protests. I don't think it's "scary" when groups get together and voice their disapproval.
I'd also support an anti-Nickelback protest:
Nickelback Is Finally Tired of All Your Jokes:
[Link: nymag.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:01:34am |
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RogueOne Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:08:15am |
re: #333 Sergey Romanov
I'm a closet anarchist! Who doesn't like a little chaos every once in awhile?
I thought both the OWS/TP movements had valid points. I may not agree with their desired goals or entire platforms but the right to protest and air their grievances is the entire basis of the 1st amendment of which I happen to be a big fan.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:09:52am |
Despite anything said earlier, I still loved this dig from 11/22/63:
There were billboards advocating the impeachment of Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren; billboards showing a snarling Nikita Khrushchev (NYET, COMRADE KHRUSHCHEV, the billboard copy read, WE WILL BURY YOU!); there was one on West Commerce Street that read THE AMERICAN COMMUNIST PARTY FAVORS INTEGRATION. THINK ABOUT IT! That one had been paid for by something called The Tea Party Society. Twice, on businesses whose names suggested they were Jewish-owned, I saw soaped swastikas.
:P
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RogueOne Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:10:22am |
I have to run. My wife and I are on the way to implant the eggs this morning (IVF). We should have a few eggs left over after this so if anyone is looking for a good deal on getting their family started drop me a note. We'll work out a deal...I don't want to make any money folks, I just love to sell eggs.....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:15:32am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:19:06am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:20:31am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:27:25am |
Most interesting with regards to mortgages.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:30:16am |
For the Pony crowd. G'nite y'all.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:32:08am |
re: #340 Varek Raith
Most interesting with regards to mortgages.
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Ha! Stupid banks. Serves them right.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:05:55am |
Brony 1159 up, 334 down
Fans of the new G4 My Little Pony show "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic". Mostly refers to the older male viewers of the show, but female fans use it too. A Brony is generally pretty involved in the community at large.
Brony 1: What's your favorite pony?
Brony 2: Fluttershy, cause she's just so cute!
Brony 3: Hey man, those are fighting words. Rarity is obviously the best pony!
Brony 2: What are you going to do?
Brony 3: I'm gonna love and tolerate the crap out of you.
*hugs*
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:07:33am |
re: #343 Sergey Romanov
Pony stuff taps into some phobia of mine or another.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:08:02am |
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:09:18am |
re: #344 Obdicut
Pony stuff taps into some phobia of mine or another.
It hits my Barney Nerve too. Stop it Sergey. Don't force me to write a sternly worded Pony Post.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:09:46am |
re: #345 Sergey Romanov
The plush thing?
No, I don't like actual ponies, either. I like horses, but not ponies.
This hasn't come up much in my life.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:10:38am |
re: #344 Obdicut
Pony stuff taps into some phobia of mine or another.
People who sweep rugs and carpets. The sound....
I have to leave the room.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:11:41am |
re: #349 Varek Raith
People who sweep rugs and carpets. The sound...
I have to leave the room.
Styrofoam. Uggggg.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:13:18am |
Elevators.
Absolutely hate the feeling of moving up and down.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:17:16am |
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:22:32am |
re: #354 Sergey Romanov
Cockroaches, then.
Don't take my wife's side. Cockroaches don't bite but I admit they are all higgity giggity gangly. My wife will scream and spray them with Pledge. She grew up around them and still freaks out with them.
I can tell when there's been a Cockroach incident. The house smells really lemony and there are slippery spots on the floor.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:22:58am |
re: #355 Obdicut
Be glad you don't live in Tokyo.
Way too crowded anyway.
I don't like being around too many people.
I'm such an introvert.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:27:51am |
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:29:12am |
re: #358 Varek Raith
Wow. I hope the little guys turn on the bigger guys.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:41:50am |
re: #358 Varek Raith
Here's to hoping the trend continues across the pond. I have no hesitation to believe anything different is happening here or in Australia.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:27:21am |
Interesting. Turned out I missed this bit. I twice asked "Reuters Middle East Watch" why they downdinged aigle, and they actually answered me the first time (I missed it):
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
6 Reuters Middle East Watch
Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:41:49pm replyquote
Sergey Romanov, it relates to CAMERAs habitual lifting of material from our website, uncredited.
So they're actually accusing CAMERA of theft. Interesting.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:43:00am |
re: #361 Sergey Romanov
Especially since they seem to have nearly identical agendas.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:45:25am |
re: #362 Obdicut
Unlike Camera, RMEW is pretty careless with language:
[Link: r-mew.blogspot.com...]
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abolitionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:17:37am |
re: #337 Sergey Romanov
PIPA/SOPA Round Two: The Anti-Counterfeit Trade Agreement (ACTA)
Much appreciated.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:26:35am |
re: #364 abolitionist
More at [Link: www.eff.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:28:59am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Wow. I hope the little guys turn on the bigger guys.
Doing that would save time in prison, but you'd be a pariah in the news world and you'd have great difficulty finding a job. Better, I think, to firewall the boss and do the time. That way you might well have better media prospects, marketing yourself as a "martyr to godless liberalism's hatred".
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:30:40am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:31:26am |
re: #367 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...
Bloody, but still a very good picture
Flawless Victory.
Fatality.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:39:41am |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
Doing that would save time in prison, but you'd be a pariah in the news world and you'd have great difficulty finding a job.
What are you talking about? Why would anyone have difficulty finding a job for testifying about a crime?
You think that most newspapers are routinely breaking the law or something?
Better, I think, to firewall the boss and do the time.
You think it's easy to get a job with a felony conviction? Really?
That way you might well have better media prospects, marketing yourself as a "martyr to godless liberalism's hatred".
That's if you think the stupid insanity of the GOP and right-wing media are going to last beyond your prison term. What if you do all that and then find that people are sick of you lying to them? Wouldn't that be something?
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abolitionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:40:03am |
re: #365 Sergey Romanov
More at [Link: www.eff.org...]
From wikipedia,
According to an analysis by the Free Software Foundation, ACTA would require that existing ISPs no longer host free software that can access copyrighted media, [snip]
That seems to imply that mozilla.org, microsoft.com, and google.com could be ... um, adversely affected.
re: #365 Sergey Romanov
More at [Link: www.eff.org...]
Excerpt:
Negotiated in secret, ACTA bypassed checks and balances of existing international IP norm-setting bodies, without any meaningful input from national parliaments, policymakers, or their citizens. Worse still, the agreement creates a new global institution, an "ACTA Committee" to oversee its implementation and interpretation that will be made up of unelected members with no legal obligation to be transparent in their proceedings. Both in substance and in process, ACTA embodies an outdated top-down, arbitrary approach to government that is out of step with modern notions of participatory democracy.
The EU and 22 of its 27 member states signed ACTA yesterday in Tokyo.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:44:59am |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
Doing that would save time in prison, but you'd be a pariah in the news world and you'd have great difficulty finding a job. Better, I think, to firewall the boss and do the time. That way you might well have better media prospects, marketing yourself as a "martyr to godless liberalism's hatred".
Wow...You are the perfect employee.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:46:50am |
I ain't falling on my sword for a criminal boss.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:48:54am |
re: #372 Varek Raith
I ain't falling on my sword for a criminal boss.
Yes you are. *casts zombie spell*
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:49:28am |
re: #373 Sergey Romanov
Yes you do. *casts zombie spell*
Sorry, I'm way to high a level for that spell to work.
:P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:50:41am |
re: #374 Varek Raith
Sorry, I'm way to high a level for that spell to work.
:P
*casts lower the level spell*
*casts zombie spell*
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:51:40am |
re: #372 Varek Raith
I ain't falling on my sword for a criminal boss.
But your loyalty will be appreciated.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:52:10am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:53:23am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:55:24am |
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
WASHINGTON—Pentagon war planners have concluded that their largest conventional bomb isn't yet capable of destroying Iran's most heavily fortified underground facilities, and are stepping up efforts to make it more powerful, according to U.S. officials briefed on the plan.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:59:23am |
re: #379 Sergey Romanov
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Yeah, looks like war mongering Zionist Obama is gearing up for neocon war. Luckily there's a flourishing antiwar movement willing to help the mullahs get their bomb.
Antiwar.com issues call for a day to resist U.S. pressure on Iran
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:59:45am |
re: #369 Obdicut
Really, it would be better to have just avoided committing a crime in the first place and that's what I would have done. Once I knew hacking was going on, I would have quit. That's a resume blemish in its own right, but a better one to live with.
As for what I was thinking, call it "line of sight" thinking, if you like. Sometimes I'm prone to it on first look at a situation.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:00:14am |
*eyeroll*
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:00:30am |
Something from FB.
Jim Lippard
Of 143,074 National Security Letters issued by the FBI to obtain information since the USA PATRIOT Act was passed, only 53 have resulted in criminal referrals for prosecution. 17 of those were for money laundering. 17 were related to immigration. 19 involved fraud. None involved terrorism. (Source: Winter 2012 issue of the ACLU's Civil Liberties newsletter, p. 4)
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:07:37am |
The thing that bothers me about the movie Schindler's List is that it was a film about genocide made 50 years too late to do anything about it, but was shot in Poland 400 miles from contemporary genocide in Bosnia and Herzegovina. If they really gave a fuck about genocide they would have made a movie about that instead. I guess we'll have to wait until 2042 for Spielberg to make that movie.
People like history because it's written in stone. No responsibility. No matter how depressing and awful the story, people who claim to feel bad about it also take an unspeakable pleasure in the fact that they can't do anything about it. And if you film it in pretentious black and white it can win you accolades. Double win.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:07:54am |
re: #383 Sergey Romanov
Something from FB.
Yep. It's gotten to the point now that the PA will be permanent. Yippee!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:09:06am |
re: #385 Charleston Chew
Is there a particular reason for writing this?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:09:09am |
re: #383 Sergey Romanov
AKAIK Every bit on information gained in non terror crimes from Patriot Act laws should be legally "fruit of the poisoned tree" and utterly unusable for any prosecution not terror crime.
The "sunset" that never comes.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:09:15am |
re: #380 Killgore Trout
Yeah, looks like war mongering Zionist Obama is gearing up for neocon war. Luckily there's a flourishing antiwar movement willing to help the mullahs get their bomb.
Antiwar.com issues call for a day to resist U.S. pressure on Iran
If OWS joins with people like Code Pink, that will be the end of their potential for real influence.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:32am |
re: #386 Gus 802
Sunset clause? What sunset clause?
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:45am |
re: #12 freetoken
I maintaing that climate change is unbearably slow, for the human social system, and thus it has little real influence in politics, etc.
We are apes with rather short attention spans. Oh, we "plan" for longer timeframes than our nearest cousins (we think), but most of the time we're driven by our blood sugar levels, or testosterone levels, in our blood.
This is why we need imagination. It can save us from this. Unfortunately, it's considered too unserious to be officially fostered in our society.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:11:29am |
re: #387 Sergey Romanov
Is there a particular reason for writing this?
No. Figured this was an open thread.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:11:45am |
re: #390 Rightwingconspirator
Sunset clause? What sunset clause?
It's like the doomsday clock. Always sitting at 5 minutes until sunset but the sunset never comes. Tomorrow we'll roll back the sunset clock to 15 minutes until sunset.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:11:55am |
re: #388 Rightwingconspirator
AKAIK Every bit on information gained in non terror crimes from Patriot Act laws should be legally "fruit of the poisoned tree" and utterly unusable for any prosecution not terror crime.
The "sunset" that never comes.
The law doesn't work that way, though. Terrorists are sometimes prosecuted for crimes not specific to terrorism, so the PATRIOT Act covers those crimes too.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:03am |
re: #385 Charleston Chew
It's never too late to remember and build reminders into our popular culture.
Not Fade Away.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:48am |
So some little thing we'll happen and they'll say, "see, this is why we need to continue the Patriot Act!"
[Patriotic music.]
//
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:58am |
re: #385 Charleston Chew
Couldn't possibly have something to do with the relatives Spielberg lost earlier? Or that people might watch a historical story and understand that it also aplies in the current time?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:13:49am |
re: #393 Gus 802
If I had a political blog (heh not likely at all) I'd post a public bet that the Patriot Act will outlive me. And my younger friends.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:14:16am |
re: #396 Rightwingconspirator
It's never too late to remember and build reminders into our popular culture.
Not Fade Away.
True, but if those reminders don't prevent similar tragedies in the future, what good are they?
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:15:00am |
re: #399 wlewisiii
Or that people might watch a historical story and understand that it also aplies in the current time?
They won't. That's the point of my post.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:15:17am |
re: #389 Dark_Falcon
If OWS joins with people like Code Pink, that will be the end of their potential for real influence.
Code Pink joined with OWS at the very beginning. I kind of doubt the anti-war manifestations of OWS are going to amount to much in terms of popularity, certainly nothing like the Iraq war protests. OWS is planning spring riots for G20 in Chicago. That may gain some traction depending on how much the city of Chicago is willing to put up with.
Either way, OWS is pretty much dead but they'll be back. It's the same coalition of radical lefties that has been around a very long time. They aren't going to disappear anytime soon.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:16:16am |
re: #401 Charleston Chew
True, but if those reminders don't prevent similar tragedies in the future, what good are they?
A person can only do what they can do. Each of us has different skills, different "weapons" if you will. It never means that we will succeed; only that if we are human we must try.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:18:37am |
Why do they call it the Patriot Act. Should not all acts from congress be by virtue, patriotic?
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:03am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Good Evening, all. For it's been a week of changes, and it is ending with a change, but it's a sad one. One of my mother's two cats died today. The cat, a black longhair named BC (for "Black Cat") was a older cat aged 16. Though her sister of equal age is still in decent shape, BC was never in prime health in her whole life, so her death, while sad, has left no one torn up. She'd been doing poorly all week (I noticed earlier this week, when she fell on her side after I'd set her down (feet down) from about 3-4 inches off the ground, which had never bothered her before), and today hadn't even been able to really move. She died soon after I got to my parent's house from work. Worried that I might have contributed to her final illness, (I know I did not mistreat her, but even the thought hurts a good bit), my last words to her were "I'm sorry, BC." Less than an hour later, she was gone.
She was my mother's cat, so it won't be me she waits for in the next life. So, here's a picture of her in better times. Goodbye, BC, you were a good companion and you family will miss you.
I'm so sorry, Dark. Much love to you and your mom.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:53am |
re: #395 Dark_Falcon
That would be far more credible if Patriot act terror charges were not limited to such a tiny % of it's use. 15% at best. A more clear cut example of a law being used way beyond it's intend would be very hard to find, and if you did find such a thing, it would just bolster my point even further.
Conspiracy, bomb building and money laundering were felonies long before 9/11. They way the FBI uses the PA you would think that was not so.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:21:51am |
re: #388 Rightwingconspirator
AKAIK Every bit on information gained in non terror crimes from Patriot Act laws should be legally "fruit of the poisoned tree" and utterly unusable for any prosecution not terror crime.
The "sunset" that never comes.
I still give thanks to our former Senator Russ Feingold for having the honor to vote against that garbage law.
The worst thing that the TP did to Wisconsin, even worse than Walker, was trading the best Senator in the nation for someone like Johnson.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:24:16am |
This is almost hilarious.
@BryanJFischer Bryan Fischer
Newt: homosexual conduct an example of "pagan behaviors." Well, will take the heat off me for a while. ow.ly/8Jx4w
That's from the real Bryan Fischer.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:24:50am |
re: #409 Rightwingconspirator
Conspiracy, bomb building and money laundering were felonies long before 9/11. They way the FBI uses the PA you would think that was not so.
It's been a while since I looked into the Patriot act but one of the key provisions is information sharing between agencies which wasn't allowed previously. For example if someone is buying chemicals the FBI might look into it as possible bomb building. If they find it's just a meth lab they turn the info over to local police. It's still illegal but the difference is how the crime is discovered and who makes the arrests.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:25:23am |
Amazing bottom comments we have today. /
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:25:52am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
It's been a while since I looked into the Patriot act but one of the key provisions is information sharing between agencies which wasn't allowed previously. For example if someone is buying chemicals the FBI might look into it as possible bomb building. If they find it's just a meth lab they turn the info over to local police. It's still illegal but the difference is how the crime is discovered and who makes the arrests.
In agency rivalries win again!
Politics as usual.
SNAFU
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:26:25am |
re: #413 Sergey Romanov
Amazing bottom comments we have today. /
First thing I checked this morning. To see if I said anything stupid before keeling over to sleep. ;)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:27:24am |
re: #413 Sergey Romanov
Amazing bottom comments we have today. /
Heh, I make the list for even the most mundane observations and comments. I miss Steve because he used to help fill the list with me. It's lonely in the bottom comments these days.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:28:38am |
BTW a heads up to any of you who might do biz with AT&T-
They lied their asses off to sell me internet that does not work at all as advertised.
They sold me Uverse internet. But there is no fiber optic line on my street yet. Nor will there be for some time. They kludged up a faster (yet error ridden clunky) DSL speed for me and to hide the lie "lost" my order 3 times. I had a tech out last night who was kind enough to tell me the truth and show me the hardware and a lot of telling data from the diagnostic black box he uses. Like the fact I'm 11,000 feet from the hardware that is only good to send DSL 10,000 feet at most.
I'll be filling out PUC forms and pulling the plug on every AT&T service as quickly as I can without inconveniencing myself. Time Warner is about to get a customer for phone, high speed internet and TV services.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:30:04am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:31:37am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Heh. +1 to make it even, er zero. I think that was undeserved. Sorry, you'll have to say something else to get back in there. LOL.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:31:40am |
re: #419 Gus 802
OK. No more bottom comments! The list is empty.
D'oh!
*So tempted to downding this post*
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:32:10am |
re: #420 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. +1 to make it even, er zero. I think that was undeserved. Sorry, you'll have to say something else to get back in there. LOL.
That's a very busy zero. ;)
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:32:47am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:34:18am |
re: #423 Sergey Romanov
Often those are the best comments to read. I think the # on a post like that should be an orange color, reflecting red and green sorta. Charles might find that in his suggestion box sometime.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:34:28am |
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:34:42am |
re: #411 Gus 802
This is almost hilarious.
@BryanJFischer Bryan Fischer
Newt: homosexual conduct an example of "pagan behaviors." Well, will take the heat off me for a while. ow.ly/8Jx4wThat's from the real Bryan Fischer.
What these guys don't get is that almost 2000 years ago paganism rebranded itself as "Christianity" and they've been practicing it ever since. And the cliche "libruls" they hate are much closer to pre-pagan Christian teachings.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:35:01am |
re: #417 Rightwingconspirator
BTW a heads up to any of you who might do biz with AT&T-
They lied their asses off to sell me internet that does not work at all as advertised.They sold me Uverse internet. But there is no fiber optic line on my street yet. Nor will there be for some time. They kludged up a faster (yet error ridden clunky) DSL speed for me and to hide the lie "lost" my order 3 times. I had a tech out last night who was kind enough to tell me the truth and show me the hardware and a lot of telling data from the diagnostic black box he uses. Like the fact I'm 11,000 feet from the hardware that is only good to send DSL 10,000 feet at most.
I'll be filling out PUC forms and pulling the plug on every AT&T service as quickly as I can without inconveniencing myself. Time Warner is about to get a customer for phone, high speed internet and TV services.
AT&T has given us crappy service since day one. Pick up the phone? Lose the internet for up to 5 minutes. Rain? It'll be intermittent all day.
"Oh, nothings wrong!" We'll be moving up north soon enough and then we'll probably get a Charter bundle for everything. I despise Charter but I'd still rather give them the money than AT&T.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:35:27am |
re: #244 Sergey Romanov
He always was a demagogue? That's bad to know.
Killgore is a born shit-disturber.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:35:52am |
re: #428 Charleston Chew
What these guys don't get is that almost 2000 years ago paganism rebranded itself as "Christianity" and they've been practicing it ever since. And the cliche "libruls" they hate are much closer to pre-pagan Christian teachings.
Uh, Christianity is a Judaic offshoot.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:36:32am |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
Killgore is a born shit-disturber.
For the record, I took that back, since in English it has additional connotations to "uses fallacious rhetoric".
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:38:19am |
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:38:40am |
re: #431 Sergey Romanov
Uh, Christianity is a Judaic offshoot.
Which was adopted by Roman and Germanic civilizations in the subsequent centuries and into which they incorporated their pagan culture.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:39:39am |
re: #280 Sergey Romanov
True, some TP people are against a black President and his policies. But many TP people are against a Dem President and his policies. I find both positions bad, but for very different reasons.
And beyond that, many of them seem to be against the world in which they apparently woke up like a bunch of new chicks, only to be given a weird set of facts and sent forth to whine.
They claimed to be all about the economics, but were so easily distracted by weird shiny things...'czars'. The census. Whatever.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:39:42am |
re: #434 Charleston Chew
Which was adopted by Roman and Germanic civilizations in the subsequent centuries and into which they incorporated their pagan culture.
Sure, but it's not "paganism rebranded".
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:40:32am |
re: #420 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. +1 to make it even, er zero. I think that was undeserved. Sorry, you'll have to say something else to get back in there. LOL.
I'm sure that'll happen soon enough.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:40:45am |
If homosexual behavior is an example of paganism and paganism is of the devil therefore homosexual behavior is of the devil!
Derp.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:41:03am |
re: #434 Charleston Chew
Which was adopted by Roman and Germanic civilizations in the subsequent centuries and into which they incorporated their pagan culture.
Rereading my previous post about Christians being pagan I see that it was indeed too vague. I meant that when non-Jewish cultures like the Roman Empire adopted Christianity it basically became paganism with some Christian seasoning.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:41:48am |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
Killgore is a born shit-disturber.
Actually I think I prefer to avoid conflict. I guess maybe I'm a bit of a nonconformist and I try to be an independent thinker.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:42:52am |
re: #301 researchok
You cannot define the TP by their outliers anymore than you can define the Occupy movement by their outliers.
Outliers make for good pictures, good soundbites and manufactured outrage.
Not much else.
This is true.
However, it's been my observation that you can get away with judging a group by its outliers if the people around you are negatively inclined toward the group, and vice versa.
The stuff that Killgore was throwing out about OWS that people were dismissing as so marginal and stupid? We'd have taken it in evidence against the Tea Party.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:43:25am |
re: #439 Charleston Chew
Rereading my previous post about Christians being pagan I see that it was indeed too vague. I meant that when non-Jewish cultures like the Roman Empire adopted Christianity it basically became paganism with some Christian seasoning.
I don't think that's quite correct either. The pagan elements surely creeped in. Again, taking the Russian Orthodoxy, some of the saints basically took functions of older pagan gods. Which means there are elements of paganism in historical Christianity. It doesn't make Christianity itself a form of paganism.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:43:34am |
So if I'm reading this correctly my Youtube account will be melded in with my Gmail accounts for marketing purposes but not available to the general public?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:44:04am |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Actually I think I prefer to avoid conflict. I guess maybe I'm a bit of a nonconformist and I try to be an independent thinker.
Respect! Nobody here does that.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:44:21am |
re: #443 Gus 802
So if I'm reading this correctly my Youtube account will be melded in with my Gmail accounts for marketing purposes but not available to the general public?
I think so.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:45:41am |
re: #436 Sergey Romanov
Sure, but it's not "paganism rebranded".
I'm exaggerating, but I do seriously think that the Christianity of jingoistic conservatives has more in common with the cultures of Imperial Rome and the Germanic barbarians that followed it than that Jewish weirdo who loved poor people and hookers and said "turn the other cheek".
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:46:01am |
re: #361 Sergey Romanov
Interesting. Turned out I missed this bit. I twice asked "Reuters Middle East Watch" why they downdinged aigle, and they actually answered me the first time (I missed it):
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
So they're actually accusing CAMERA of theft. Interesting.
For some reason, this strikes me as hilarious. They're actually fighting it out in the Pages of LGF?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:47:35am |
re: #380 Killgore Trout
Yeah, looks like war mongering Zionist Obama is gearing up for neocon war. Luckily there's a flourishing antiwar movement willing to help the mullahs get their bomb.
Antiwar.com issues call for a day to resist U.S. pressure on Iran
ANSWER has taken a pretty clear stand on this. No sanctions, no war, leave Iran alone and if we're nice to them, won't BE no trouble.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:48:23am |
re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist
This is true.
However, it's been my observation that you can get away with judging a group by its outliers if the people around you are negatively inclined toward the group, and vice versa.
The stuff that Killgore was throwing out about OWS that people were dismissing as so marginal and stupid? We'd have taken it in evidence against the Tea Party.
That's why I think it was a mistake for people to judge OWS by a different standard than the Tea Party. I'm not expecting Magical Balance Fairy but if OWS organzers, participating groups, signs, speeches, behavior, etc had been judged by the same standard it would have been easier for people to learn that maybe it's not a movement with a potential future.
I think it also prevented the movement from correcting itself from some very serious mistakes. Maybe if more people had acknowledged problems with sexual assaults in the camps and demanded the problem be dealt with then the movement could have avoided a lot of bad publicity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:48:38am |
re: #389 Dark_Falcon
If OWS joins with people like Code Pink, that will be the end of their potential for real influence.
As far as Code Pink are concerned, they ARE OWS. I'm on their mailing lists. This is their thing. And who's going to to tell them they're not?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:49:25am |
re: #442 Sergey Romanov
I don't think that's quite correct either. The pagan elements surely creeped in. Again, taking the Russian Orthodoxy, some of the saints basically took functions of older pagan gods. Which means there are elements of paganism in historical Christianity. It doesn't make Christianity itself a form of paganism.
This is closer to the current historical understanding. It wasn't until the active conversion of the British Isles in the 4th to 6th centuries that it became common to rebrand temples as churches forex. There was a strong element of greek philosophy that crept in at an early stage but that had more to do with it being the language (literally and philosophically) of the educated elites than it did with "paganizing" the little (at that point) Jewish derived cult.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:50:12am |
re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist
ANSWER has taken a pretty clear stand on this. No sanctions, no war, leave Iran alone and if we're nice to them, won't BE no trouble.
That only works on the internet.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:52:18am |
re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist
This is true.
However, it's been my observation that you can get away with judging a group by its outliers if the people around you are negatively inclined toward the group, and vice versa.
The stuff that Killgore was throwing out about OWS that people were dismissing as so marginal and stupid? We'd have taken it in evidence against the Tea Party.
Exactly. Which is why I was forced to reconsider some of my rhetoric about TP.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:56:30am |
re: #454 Sergey Romanov
Exactly. Which is why I was forced to reconsider some of my rhetoric about TP.
You broke the internet.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:58:06am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:58:17am |
re: #454 Sergey Romanov
Exactly. Which is why I was forced to reconsider some of my rhetoric about TP.
All you had to do was point out that the TP was based on the complete fantasy that taxes are way too high.
Problem solved.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:59:17am |
re: #454 Sergey Romanov
Exactly. Which is why I was forced to reconsider some of my rhetoric about TP.
FTAF!
/Fair To A Fault
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:59:18am |
re: #456 Sergey Romanov
I glued it back. But you still noticed. Damn.
I hope you at least used some Duco Cement.
//
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:01:46am |
What we need is a common enemy.
I hereby nominate Carrot Top to be the official common enemy of LGF.
//
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:02:06am |
At least OWS hasn't gotten crazy people elected to office.re: #460 Gus 802
What we need is a common enemy.
I hereby nominate Carrot Top to be the official common enemy of LGF.
//
Fuck yo couch!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:02:24am |
re: #460 Gus 802
What we need is a common enemy.
I hereby nominate Carrot Top to be the official common enemy of LGF.
//
No. I kinda liked one of his movies.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:02:54am |
re: #460 Gus 802
What we need is a common enemy.
I hereby nominate Carrot Top to be the official common enemy of LGF.
//
Then I'd have to get to know him. No thanks.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:03:01am |
re: #461 Varek Raith
At least OWS hasn't gotten crazy people elected to office.
It was too short-lived for that ;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:04:37am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:05:26am |
SO,,,, I know most everyone is pissed off about Big Banks ,, BUT ,, I had a very positive experience with one this past week,,ESPECIALLY with two service reps (one over the phone and one in a branch near me)
This past Tuesday while looking over my online bank statements I found that PayPal had gone into a Money Market acct, pinged it twice making "deposits" of 11 cents and the 17 cents THEN withdrew $4,100! I called Wells Fargo right away and they took all my info saying that it would take 5-10 business days.
I followed the phone call up the next morning and went into the branch office. The rep guided me through whats now/next
This morning while here at work I got a call from both the online banking people as well as the person at the branch office saying my funds had been restored. Both said that they had tried my home number, got no answer so tried my work one
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:06:18am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:07:14am |
re: #470 Sergey Romanov
Why?
Because I can't find stuff that used to be there anymore.
Got DCMAd I guess.
I'm just ranting.
;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:08:00am |
re: #471 Varek Raith
DMCA sucks.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:08:24am |
re: #469 sattv4u2
Why did PayPal withdraw 4K?
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:08:54am |
re: #472 Sergey Romanov
DMCA sucks.
Yeah.
It's used so inconsistently.
Some Family Guy clips get pulled, yet others don't?
Does not compute.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:08:57am |
re: #471 Varek Raith
Because I can't find stuff that used to be there anymore.
Got DCMAd I guess.
I'm just ranting.
;)
In a couple of year Youtube will be nothing but atheist videos.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:10:16am |
re: #474 Varek Raith
Yeah.
It's used so inconsistently.
Some Family Guy clips get pulled, yet others don't?
Does not compute.
I actually had a bad experience with DMCA "personally". And I don't mean piracy, etc. It was a case of google having to pull search results because an asshole lied about copyrights. No court case, nothing, just some asshole deciding to believe another asshole.
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abolitionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:10:49am |
re: #475 Gus 802
In a couple of year Youtube will be nothing but atheist videos.
//
After the Bible is re-copyrighted. Again.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:11:17am |
re: #473 Sergey Romanov
Why did PayPal withdraw 4K?
I have no idea yet
The bank is still investigating BUT it was PayPal that put the money back in (as opposed to the bank, which both reps told me would if there were any problems trying to retreive the funds)
So I'm assuming the bank got PayPal to do it
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:11:46am |
re: #464 Sergey Romanov
It was too short-lived for that ;)
Too short lived and they didn't seem interested in participating in the political process. Early outreaches from Dem politicians were pretty solidly rebuffed. I still wonder about the exact motives of the organizers but I'm still stuck with the feeling that the goal of the protests was just more protests. They couldn't devise a clear message or define goals. I think the general assembly concept is just window dressing to create busy work for the protesters and make them feel involved rather than a tool to create results. OWS was put together by protest organizers and I think the protest was their only goal.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:12:19am |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
Maybe.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:16:23am |
re: #476 Sergey Romanov
(Just in case anyone wonders if this wasn't Google's private decision: they actually had a notice on the search page saying that these results were pulled due to DMCA.)
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:17:24am |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
My take is this-They simply overestimated the power of their own groupthink. A common mistake with advocacy. They thought if everyone could speak everyone would agree to do these things. They thought they could spurn help and still have enough to do as they wished. Wrong, and wrong.
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abolitionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:18:41am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:18:46am |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:20:21am |
re: #485 abolitionist
Gotta be a fake. The lighting is wrong. /
Quick! To the webcam to make a Youtube video in rebuttal!
Make sure you wear one of these while you're taping.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:20:33am |
re: #486 Sergey Romanov
It's a manufactured video, since the Earth is actually flat.
BTW, global warming is a hoax because Earth is not a globe!/
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:21:51am |
re: #483 Rightwingconspirator
My take is this-They simply overestimated the power of their own groupthink. A common mistake with advocacy. They thought if everyone could speak everyone would agree to do these things. They thought they could spurn help and still have enough to do as they wished. Wrong, and wrong.
That sounds pretty accurate. I think it's safe to say they seriously misjudged some very basic aspect of human nature.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:22:05am |
re: #488 Sergey Romanov
BTW, global warming is a hoax because Earth is not a globe!/
Very true! A globe is a "three-dimensional scale model of Earth."
Keen observation.
Do you have a beard?
//
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:24:15am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:25:14am |
re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist
However, it's been my observation that you can get away with judging a group by its outliers if the people around you are negatively inclined toward the group, and vice versa.
The stuff that Killgore was throwing out about OWS that people were dismissing as so marginal and stupid? We'd have taken it in evidence against the Tea Party.
Oh and BTW guess who pays the biggest price of the OWS failure to keep a focus on wealth and politics? We all do and far more than OWS itself, if only by virtue of our numbers as ordinary consumers.
Who will pick up that gauntlet?
Is anyone even in sight to do that?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:25:30am |
re: #490 Gus 802
Very true! A globe is a "three-dimensional scale model of Earth."
Keen observation.
Do you have a beard?
//
I have one on the internets./
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:26:03am |
re: #495 Sergey Romanov
I have one on the internets./
On the internet, all men wear beards. Including some women.
//
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:26:27am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Good Evening, all. For it's been a week of changes, and it is ending with a change, but it's a sad one. One of my mother's two cats died today. The cat, a black longhair named BC (for "Black Cat") was a older cat aged 16. Though her sister of equal age is still in decent shape, BC was never in prime health in her whole life, so her death, while sad, has left no one torn up. She'd been doing poorly all week (I noticed earlier this week, when she fell on her side after I'd set her down (feet down) from about 3-4 inches off the ground, which had never bothered her before), and today hadn't even been able to really move. She died soon after I got to my parent's house from work. Worried that I might have contributed to her final illness, (I know I did not mistreat her, but even the thought hurts a good bit), my last words to her were "I'm sorry, BC." Less than an hour later, she was gone.
She was my mother's cat, so it won't be me she waits for in the next life. So, here's a picture of her in better times. Goodbye, BC, you were a good companion and you family will miss you.
So sorry to hear about your loss, {{{DF}}}. Pets truly do become part of the family. It sounds like you were very gentle with BC and loved her plenty—animals know who loves them, they can feel it, so please don't beat yourself up.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:27:55am |
Sometimes when I'm thinking I'll cup my beard with my right hand while smoking from my Cherry-wood tobacco pipe with my left.
//
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:28:02am |
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:28:31am |
re: #403 Killgore Trout
Either way, OWS is pretty much dead
Talk about wishful thinking. One of the central themes to rise out of the mostly disorganized yet effective five months of protests was the idea of income inequality and how 99% of us suffered while a few very rich people continually got more hand-outs and tax breaks. President Obama (that black guy they keep showing on TV) actually spoke about it Tuesday night while you were watching re-runs of CSI on SpikeTV. When the weather (and campaign season) warms up, you can expect the occupy people to return - maybe on a different scale, but they will be there. Not bad for a small group of insignificant people who enjoyed a veritable media blackout for their first 100 days of protest.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:28:49am |
re: #500 negativ
OK, that's a very beard clip.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:30:35am |
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:30:56am |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
I'm still stuck with the feeling that the goal of the protests was just more protests. They couldn't devise a clear message or define goals.
Raising awareness. It's simply planting a seed in peoples' minds. There didn't need to be a clear message.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:31:31am |
re: #501 darthstar
OWS as it currently is now has moved on to other causes. Like "occupy AIPAC". If there is to be a viable protest, it must have a different brand.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:33:03am |
re: #509 Gus 802
Bearded guy with glasses and pipe is watching you!
//
No I'm not.
Also, I don't have a pipe.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:33:35am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:33:42am |
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:34:13am |
re: #507 Sergey Romanov
OWS as it currently is now has moved on to other causes. Like "occupy AIPAC". If there is to be a viable protest, it must have a different brand.
Unfortunately, given the US's tendency for re-runs, I expect "Occupy" to remain as a theme. People are too in love with memes.
Hrm.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:34:17am |
re: #495 Sergey Romanov
Hey Sergey, I watched a couple of National Geographic videos about Russia this week: Wild Russia - The secret forest and Wild Russia - Siberia (both are full episodes in 720p HD).
Both were fascinating. What a gorgeous country you have, and it's sooo HUGE. I tend to forget what an enormous geographic area it covers and how culturally & environmentally diverse it is. It's pretty amazing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:34:21am |
re: #512 Sergey Romanov
(Oh, btw. Crotch Fus Ro Dah noted. /)
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:34:40am |
re: #507 Sergey Romanov
OWS as it currently is now has moved on to other causes. Like "occupy AIPAC". If there is to be a viable protest, it must have a different brand.
It's not rapey stabby season yet.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:35:46am |
re: #513 Obdicut
Unfortunately, given the US's tendency for re-runs, I expect "Occupy" to remain as a theme. People are too in love with memes.
Hrm.
I'm afraid so. Tainted from the start is not the way to go.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:36:09am |
re: #505 darthstar
Raising awareness. It's simply planting a seed in peoples' minds. There didn't need to be a clear message.
I think that the raising awareness part was a success, but awareness is only step 1 in a path to action and long term change. If no subsequent steps materialize from this, then OWS (like many previous movements) will be kind of like a political miscarriage. Conception and gestation, but no birth of long-term change to our society.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:36:21am |
I just noticed this story on the SF sheriff.
[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]
Is he still on the job? Under federal law, he unable to possess or carry for duty a firearm between both the domestic violence accusations and the restraining order. Or do LEO's get special treatment?
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:37:17am |
re: #517 Sergey Romanov
I'm afraid so. Tainted from the start is not the way to go.
It's the dilletantishness of a lot of this that annoys me. There are so many groups that form, fuck around, fail to really accomplish shit, but still continue bumbling along. I don't get what's fun about being part of an unsuccessful group that doesn't get anything done. I assume Code Pink tells themselves they are accomplishing something, so maybe it's just massive self-delusion.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:38:00am |
re: #520 Obdicut
It's the dilletantishness of a lot of this that annoys me. There are so many groups that form, fuck around, fail to really accomplish shit, but still continue bumbling along. I don't get what's fun about being part of an unsuccessful group that doesn't get anything done. I assume Code Pink tells themselves they are accomplishing something, so maybe it's just massive self-delusion.
Everyone needs a hobby.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:38:54am |
noun
1. a person who takes up an art, activity, or subject merely for amusement, especially in a desultory or superficial way; dabbler.
2. a lover of an art or science, especially of a fine art.
adjective
3. of or pertaining to dilettantes.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:39:19am |
re: #521 Charleston Chew
Everyone needs a hobby.
Sure, but I like hobbies that actually accomplish something in the end. Call me crazy.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:40:44am |
re: #524 Obdicut
Sure, but I like hobbies that actually accomplish something in the end. Call me crazy.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:42:29am |
re: #514 CuriousLurker
Hey Sergey, I watched a couple of National Geographic videos about Russia this week:
Wild Russia - The secret forestand Wild Russia - Siberia (both are full episodes in 720p HD).
Bad link on the first video. Fixed it: Wild Russia - The secret forest
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:43:04am |
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:43:27am |
re: #518 Charleston Chew
I think that the raising awareness part was a success, but awareness is only step 1 in a path to action and long term change. If no subsequent steps materialize from this, then OWS (like many previous movements) will be kind of like a political miscarriage. Conception and gestation, but no birth of long-term change to our society.
OWS has spawned thousands of local groups around the country that will be able to articulate to others in their communities the need for change. It doesn't need to be a million people camped out at the Mall. That's only good for a day.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:43:45am |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:44:35am |
re: #524 Obdicut
Sure, but I like hobbies that actually accomplish something in the end. Call me crazy.
Call me crazy but I like to collect cat vomit.
//
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:45:27am |
re: #519 wlewisiii
I just noticed this story on the SF sheriff.
[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]
Is he still on the job? Under federal law, he unable to possess or carry for duty a firearm between both the domestic violence accusations and the restraining order. Or do LEO's get special treatment?
I am wondering if there is less to this than meets the eye.
"Stiglich countered that a child protective services investigation into Theo's well-being earlier this month found that any allegations of abuse or neglect were unfounded and that "the only negative effect they see is the separation of the child from his father."
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:48:46am |
re: #531 Rightwingconspirator
CPS in San Francisco is pretty lackluster. They had a long-time employee who actually passed sexual abuse allegations along to the Catholic Church rather than to the police. That they didn't find anything definitely doesn't mean it's not there.
In general, anything law enforcement-related coming out of SF should be taken with a big grain of salt.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:51:56am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:52:57am |
re: #533 darthstar
If only they could find your keys now...you could get the hell off this rock.
Iknowrite.
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:53:09am |
re: #528 darthstar
OWS has spawned thousands of local groups around the country that will be able to articulate to others in their communities the need for change. It doesn't need to be a million people camped out at the Mall. That's only good for a day.
Articulating the need for change still sounds very "step 1" to me. Maybe it counts as step 2 - it is making something that didn't exist previously. But if it continues to be just a bunch of people saying "things should change", well, there's never been a time when we didn't already have that.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:55:25am |
re: #535 Charleston Chew
Articulating the need for change still sounds very "step 1" to me. Maybe it counts as step 2 - it is making something that didn't exist previously. But if it continues to be just a bunch of people saying "things should change", well, there's never been a time when we didn't already have that.
I think they'll be helpful when it comes to GOTV efforts. Then the articulating is important. As individuals, people can only do so much...speak, vote, and act.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:55:48am |
re: #532 Obdicut
Here in LA we have the opposite, CPS has been known to take kids from less than wonderful homes and put them in awful foster homes and or actually lose track of them.
Or we have this...
In the second case, according to the LA Times account, Escondido CPS with the help of local police seized two children from a home in the middle of the night and without a warrant. The seizure was based on a tip from a family member. Three days later, CPS had the children examined at a hospital without their parents present, and despite finding no evidence of abuse, kept the children for a total of 2 1/2 months. Upon the children’s return, the family was billed for foster care.
With this decision, the Ninth Circuit opened the way for the family to sue for “damages on the allegations of civil rights violations, abduction of the children and infliction of emotional distress.”
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:59:23am |
re: #538 Gus 802
Put some Butterball turkey in front of the cat. If it eats it, we know it was actually a Jihadi kitty.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:00:00am |
re: #540 Obdicut
Put some Butterball turkey in front of the cat. If it eats it, we know it was actually a Jihadi kitty.
Clearly this was a dry run by the feline Jihad!
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:01:20am |
re: #541 Gus 802
Clearly this was a dry run by the feline Jihad!
And you know what supremacists cats are. They think they're the overlords of everything.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:01:59am |
Here's a protest that reflects my interests....
Topless Ukranian Protesters Detained Trying to Break into CEO Gathering (Davos,Switzerland)
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:02:20am |
re: #542 CuriousLurker
And you know what supremacists cats are. They think they're the overlords of everything.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:02:35am |
re: #541 Gus 802
Clearly this was a dry run by the feline Jihad!
SIOP (Stop Islamifying our pooties)
Image: jihad_cat.jpg
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kirkspencer Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:02:55am |
re: #542 CuriousLurker
And you know what supremacists cats are. They think they're the overlords of everything.
Shows how much you know. They don't /think/ they're the overlords, the /know/ they are. ///
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:03:06am |
re: #545 darthstar
SIOP (Stop Islamifying our pooties)
Image: jihad_cat.jpg
For more on this story we go to Pamela Geller...
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:03:54am |
re: #543 Killgore Trout
FEMEN strikes again.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:03:56am |
re: #469 sattv4u2
SO,,, I know most everyone is pissed off about Big Banks ,, BUT ,, I had a very positive experience with one this past week,,ESPECIALLY with two service reps (one over the phone and one in a branch near me)
This past Tuesday while looking over my online bank statements I found that PayPal had gone into a Money Market acct, pinged it twice making "deposits" of 11 cents and the 17 cents THEN withdrew $4,100! I called Wells Fargo right away and they took all my info saying that it would take 5-10 business days.
I followed the phone call up the next morning and went into the branch office. The rep guided me through whats now/next
This morning while here at work I got a call from both the online banking people as well as the person at the branch office saying my funds had been restored. Both said that they had tried my home number, got no answer so tried my work one
Those small deposits are what paypal does to "confirm" that a bank account is genuine. A person checks the deposit amounts, returns to paypal and enters the info, and then the account is "confirmed".
If those deposits were made to your account without your knowledge, it sounds like somebody else may have been trying to access your account to transfer $ to their own account? This is weird. Hope it gets sorted out.
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:04:07am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:04:39am |
re: #541 Gus 802
Clearly this was a dry run by the feline Jihad!
This one escaped!
Image: jihadikitty.jpg
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:04:49am |
re: #546 kirkspencer
Shows how much you know. They don't /think/ they're the overlords, the /know/ they are. ///
LOL, yeah, I thought about that after I hit "submit". They're very good at being stealthy too. Stealth Jihadi kittehs!
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:06:56am |
Clearly what we need is a Purina Act to help stop the danger of feline extremism.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:07:06am |
re: #549 reine.de.tout
Thanks
yes, I know PayPal "pings" your accountb with a small deposit to ensure the actual transfer will go through , but we've NEVER used the Money Market acct to pay anything online. It's just there as an overdraft backup to our checking acct and to ensure we meet the "minimum" totals we need so there's no service fees
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:07:59am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:08:35am |
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:09:55am |
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:10:32am |
"And Charlie, I still think about you man, every time I pass the filling station, on account of all the grease you used to wear in your hair..."
From the video at the top. The man's a genius.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:10:41am |
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:11:15am |
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Charleston Chew Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:12:19am |
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McSpiff Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:12:27am |
Favorite thing about Ottawa: Has a barbershop culture that my old city never had. I seriously look forward to getting my hair cut now.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:12:42am |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:13:26am |
"But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, Sprinkles?"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:13:38am |
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darthstar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:13:40am |
re: #557 Sergey Romanov
Photos and videos at [Link: femen.livejournal.com...]
Pretty ladies. Is that a photo op or what?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:14:19am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:14:20am |
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:14:39am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:14:58am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:15:20am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:16:01am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:17:04am |
And this one ties the girl protestors with Jihadi kitties very nicely (warning, nudity):
[Link: femen.livejournal.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:17:37am |
re: #583 Sergey Romanov
Fixed.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:18:56am |
re: #576 CuriousLurker
Today is Caturday.
This explains a couple things. Oh and don't forget to feed the fish in the square pond.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:18:58am |
I bathed and blow-dried 3 dogs last night.
I didn't even think about doing it to the cat.
He told me that was wise.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:19:44am |
Brat Puppy is being "shown" today and tomorrow. HE IS OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!!!
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:20:08am |
re: #585 Rightwingconspirator
This explains a couple things. Oh and don't forget to feed the fish in the square pond.
EYEBEAMS!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:20:15am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:21:06am |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:21:13am |
re: #590 ggt
Do you have to be tall, skinny and have long hair to join?
I guess so. Was looking at some of those photos and I was thinking "viral advertising campaign with unknown Ukrainian fashion models."
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:22:42am |
Good morning/afternoon Lizards.
Reading comments before taking a walk and doing some shopping.
My condolenses DF on the loss of a family pet. Those hit hard.
I'm also making a temporary avatar change to celebrate the unofficial 20th birthday of Sherman, my elder pet cat Feline Overlord. I am now expected to bow and make sacrifices of tuna and catnip.
:)
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:23:35am |
Iraq War welcome home parade in Saint Louis. Live video here:
[Link: www.ksdk.com...]
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:23:43am |
re: #594 oaktree
Good morning/afternoon Lizards.
Reading comments before taking a walk and doing some shopping.
My condolenses DF on the loss of a family pet. Those hit hard.
I'm also making a temporary avatar change to celebrate the unofficial 20th birthday of Sherman, my elder
pet catFeline Overlord. I am now expected to bow and make sacrifices of tuna and catnip.:)
And don't call me Sher...man.
:P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:27:01am |
re: #590 ggt
Do you have to be tall, skinny and have long hair to join?
Your answer is here (WARNING):
[Link: femen.livejournal.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:29:04am |
I think I need to get out, catch a workout and shake off some needless frustrations.
Thursday my good friends (Leftwingconspirator) brand new Toshiba laptop was stolen from his retail place of work by two men, distract and run kinda thing. Men that were just covered with jailhouse tats. Recent parolees perhaps?
Not only has AT&T screwed me on internet, but there is this big water leak from my kitchen ceiling. For which I was told the plumber would be here between eight and ten. Got up early for a Caturday and now it's 10.20. It's raining in the kitchen and we got no plumber yet. So no shower, no breakfast.
Maybe a Baldy Mtn area drive, set up a sunset time lapse and enjoy a good book & a smoke from near Glendora ridge road.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:29:36am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:30:55am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:31:06am |
re: #596 Varek Raith
And don't call me Sher...man.
:P
He and his brother were human-named after ACW generals. W T Sherman Cat lived up to his nickname by wrecking swathes across war and board game set-ups on multiple occasions. I even have a picture of him sleeping on a set up game and covering a good part of the western Pacific.
I'm sure his cat-name is something along the line of Lord of Purring, Flayer of Baby Bunnies.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:31:56am |
I'm gonna go reply to someone on a Page, then find something analog to do. Maybe make a big bowl of popcorn, kick back, and watch the rest of season three of Sons of Anarchy (seasons 1-3 free on Amazon Prime right now).
Later, Lizards.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 12:02:57pm |
re: #519 wlewisiii
I just noticed this story on the SF sheriff.
[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]
Is he still on the job? Under federal law, he unable to possess or carry for duty a firearm between both the domestic violence accusations and the restraining order. Or do LEO's get special treatment?
Oh, Mirkarimi. It's a mess. Currently, he is still on the job, last I heard, although he may have surrendered his gun. They were discussing it.
I would like to point out that Michael Hennessey was sheriff of San Francisco for thirty years and NOTHING like this ever happened.
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