The loonier far right celebrities are lining up to show their support for Newt Gingrich — Chuck Norris, Sarah Palin, and now Mr. 999, Herman Cain.
WEST PALM BEACH — Herman Cain will be a surprise guest at tonight’s Lincoln Day Dinner at the Kravis Center to endorse Newt Gingrich, the Palm Beach Post has confirmed.
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bratwurst Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:08:07pm |
Tens of people will be influenced by this endorsement.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:12:00pm |
Well, you know, cheating bastards gotta stick together.
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The Mountain That Blogs Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:15:15pm |
And when people are fleeing Gingrich's sinking ship, how long before we see a "Cain Mutiny" headline?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:22:50pm |
Not exactly a shocka
They've been singing each others praises for years on local (Atlanta) radio
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:23:49pm |
re: #2 bratwurst
I see. You're one of those fuckin' optimists, eh?
/
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windsagio Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:25:03pm |
I just don't get hwat they're doing, endorsing a sure loser.
Let alone thinking he can beat romney, are these guys really so delusional that they think Newt can beat Obama?
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:26:09pm |
Well, it was going to be a surprise, BUT YOU RUINED IT!
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:27:06pm |
To be fair, Gingrich looks like he eats more pizza than Romney.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:27:18pm |
re: #8 windsagio
I just don't get hwat they're doing, endorsing a sure loser.
Let alone thinking he can beat romney, are these guys really so delusional that they think Newt can beat Obama?
Why wouldn't they be? The dittoheads are told every day the only thing keeping them from sweeping into power is that none of their leaders are conservative enough.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:27:52pm |
re: #10 BongCrodny
To be fair, Gingrich looks like he eats more pizza than Romney.
You're just guessing that because of his doughy appearance.
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zora Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:31:14pm |
that two timing cain. didn't he just say a couple of weeks ago that he was endorsing "the people." now he's traded them in for a tiffany's account. the newt has some powerful mojo.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:35:11pm |
re: #8 windsagio
I just don't get hwat they're doing, endorsing a sure loser.
Let alone thinking he can beat romney, are these guys really so delusional that they think Newt can beat Obama?
Yes, and while they're wrong there's a certain twisted logic to their thought process. If Newt is the nominee the mainstream business conservatives will probably hold their nose and vote for him. In any case they certainly won't go rogue and back a third party run, they're Republicans.
Romney on the other hand, while being a stronger candidate than Newt against Obama in a one on one matchup, is more likely to generate a revolt. This is because the Tea Partiers, Freepers and So Cons may very well rebel en masse and back a hard right third party candidate if they don't get their way. Developmentally these people are equivalent to two year olds, prone to temper tantrums and fits of counter productive, unfocused rage.
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windsagio Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:35:39pm |
re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
These are semi-successful politicians though, the wrong endorsement can hurt your career.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:36:51pm |
re: #15 windsagio
These are semi-successful politicians though, the wrong endorsement can hurt your career.
I, David Duke, proudly proclaim my support for (gunshots ring out)....
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:37:18pm |
Gingrich is a religious zealot. I look forward to the day when he is not longer in the spotlight and won't have to listen to has pablum ever again. The same is true of this unknown CEO of an unknown (to me) pizza company.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:38:31pm |
Personally I shape all my political opinions based on what Chuck Norris thinks.
/
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:39:03pm |
Well well, aren't you all just being nasty, Angry Attack Muffins tonight!
//
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allegro Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:39:25pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
Gingrich is a religious zealot. I look forward to the day when he is not longer in the spotlight and won't have to listen to has pablum ever again. The same is true of this unknown CEO of an unknown (to me) pizza company.
Only if "religious zealotry"means "I am GOD!" because that's the only religion I see the man having.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:40:22pm |
The Gingrich crazy train is looking more and more like an ACORN/SEIU plot to get Obama re-elected.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:42:14pm |
Next endorsement for the Newt will be from the man in the moon.
/
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windsagio Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:42:40pm |
re: #20 allegro
Only if "religious zealotry"means "I am GOD!" because that's the only religion I see the man having.
This times a million.
He's the chosen man of his generation, doing what he must to save us from ourselves!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:43:10pm |
re: #22 jhrhv
Next endorsement for the Newt will be from the man in the moon.
/
What a cheesy comment
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:43:29pm |
re: #22 jhrhv
I prefer than the man in Uranus!
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:43:57pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:44:41pm |
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:45:36pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:45:45pm |
re: #13 zora
that two timing cain. didn't he just say a couple of weeks ago that he was endorsing "the people." now he's traded them in for a tiffany's account. the newt has some powerful mojo.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
He got too close to Callista and she hypnotized him.
/
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:47:12pm |
I imagine that there is some strategic value to this, as there's still a lot of wingnuts who believe Cain being "forced" out of the running was all an Obama/Democrat plot with the victims either paid by the DNC or looking to cash in on Cain's new celebrity status. My guess is that this is an effort to revive Newt's flagging numbers by getting the Tea Party's latest spokesman behind his campaign.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:47:27pm |
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:47:39pm |
re: #23 windsagio
This times a million.
He's the chosen man of his generation, doing what he must to save us from ourselves!
Newt sings the greats.
I'm just too good to be true.
Can't take your eyes off me.
I'ld be like heaven to touch.
You want to hold me so much.
At long last I have arrived.
And you thank God I'm alive.
I'm just too good to be true.
Can't take your eyes off me.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:48:20pm |
re: #30 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I imagine that there is some strategic value to this, as there's still a lot of wingnuts who believe Cain being "forced" out of the running was all an Obama/Democrat plot with the victims either paid by the DNC or looking to cash in on Cain's new celebrity status. My guess is that this is an effort to revive Newt's flagging numbers by getting the Tea Party's latest spokesman behind his campaign.
I think there's a lot of them who think it was Romney who 'forced' him out.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:49:24pm |
Maybe Cain's endorsement is more important than I first thought. He was once the Godfather right?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:50:25pm |
Dear Gravel!!! It's nearly 7pm and I have yet to drink a beer. Damn, I'm slipping.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:50:30pm |
re: #35 jhrhv
Maybe Cain's endorsement is more important than I first thought. He was once the Godfather right?
/
Were Italian American's offended by the company's name?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:50:34pm |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:50:48pm |
re: #34 Obdicut
I agree. The Democrats really didn't need to do anything. Just sit back and watch the Republican candidates do a much better job destroying each other than they ever could have.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:02pm |
re: #35 jhrhv
Maybe Cain's endorsement is more important than I first thought. He was once the Godfather right?
/
All I can picture is Mike Tyson yelling "CAIN!"
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jaunte Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:21pm |
re: #18 jhrhv
Personally I shape all my political opinions based on what Chuck Norris thinks.
/
When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes reality away.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:22pm |
re: #33 jaunte
You're not gonna whig out on us, are you?
/
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:24pm |
re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No more than Brits are by White Castle.
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allegro Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:29pm |
re: #34 Obdicut
I think there's a lot of them who think it was Romney who 'forced' him out.
The Democrats are just sitting back and laughing, amazed at their good fortune. Why would they expend any effort at all when they could never accomplish what the GOP is doing all by itself?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:40pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:51:59pm |
re: #34 Obdicut
I think there's a lot of them who think it was Romney who 'forced' him out.
Very likely as well. Either way, the majority of them still believe that it was all a "plot" against him, one designed to keep the only black Republican candidate from running against Obama.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:52:01pm |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
No, I'm hoping Newt and friends will pull a Perot.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:53:54pm |
re: #41 jaunte
When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes reality away.
From the top 25 Chuck Norrisisms.
Chuck Norris spends hours staring directly into the sun. We call that “night.”
[Link: punch.ocregister.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:55:10pm |
re: #45 sattv4u2
I'm not
Yes you are. Don't lie.
Heh. There are so many different "Godfather's Pizza"s in the country, if IAs decided to be offended the whole nation would go deaf from the noise.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:57:25pm |
@LOLGOP
BREAKING: Newt Gingrich has a black friend.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:57:45pm |
re: #48 jhrhv
When Chuck Norris sits around the house, he really sits around the house.
/wait, what?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:00:34pm |
In other news, David Vitter, the GOP congressman who likes to have a prostitute dress him up in diapers, is live-tweeting a Monster Truck Rally:
[Link: twitter.com...]
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:01:24pm |
Would be funny if someone like John Kerry endorsed Newt.
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BongCrodny Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:01:41pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:04:05pm |
re: #53 jhrhv
Would be funny if someone like John Kerry endorsed Newt.
Nah, he should endorse Romney.
"From one millionaire to another..."
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:04:16pm |
re: #56 Shvaughn
Isn't 999 just 666 upside down?
Actually, it takes two reflections, or one rotation through 180 degrees.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:04:45pm |
Dear GOP nonestablishement,
Mitt will be your nominee.
You have failed to settle on a non-Mitt.
Deal with it.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:05:43pm |
re: #59 Varek Raith
But wait... according to the beauty queen the endoscope wielding establishment wants Mitt, not a non-Mitt.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:07:09pm |
re: #59 Varek Raith
When Romney does become the nominee I wonder who will attack him more his own party/Fox News or the Democrats?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:08:47pm |
re: #61 jhrhv
I figure FNC will just pull an "Oh well, we'll rally 'round that one, I guess".
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:09:56pm |
re: #52 Charles
In other news, David Vitter, the GOP congressman who likes to have a prostitute dress him up in diapers, is live-tweeting a Monster Truck Rally:
[Link: twitter.com...]
SUNDAY
SUNDAY
SUNDAY!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:10:08pm |
re: #58 freetoken
You're the kind of person that goes around telling random children that Santa doesn't exist, aren't you?
/
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:10:25pm |
re: #61 jhrhv
Well, given a choice between a black muslim atheist and a satanic Mormon, I think the wingnuts will go with the one they know - satan.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:11:29pm |
re: #59 Varek Raith
Dear GOP nonestablishement,
Mitt will be your nominee.
You have failed to settle on a non-Mitt.
Deal with it.
They failed to find a non-Mitt that was sufficiently electable, actually.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:12:11pm |
re: #65 freetoken
Well, given a choice between a black muslim atheist and a satanic Mormon, I think the wingnuts will go with the one they know - satan.
Good point and the sad truth.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:13:11pm |
Now the fun part.
Who will be the VP choice?
Heh.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:14:11pm |
re: #68 Varek Raith
Now the fun part.
Who will be the VP choice?
Heh.
Think Rubio's campaigning awful hard for the spot right now, but there's others to consider. I think it ultimately comes down to which demographic the GOP thinks is the most pissed off with it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:14:37pm |
re: #65 freetoken
Odd that they didn't have a problem with suckling at satanic Glenn Beck's conspiracy theory teet. But I guess wingnuts aren't known for consistency.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:14:37pm |
I don't know how we missed this breaking news story from last week:
Ohio Amish Suspect Agreeable to House Electricity
The leader of a breakaway Amish group charged in beard-cutting attacks against fellow Amish is willing to install electricity at home to permit his pretrial release on electronic monitoring, the defense said, but the government warned Thursday that the issue is risky for his community.
I sometimes wonder why demographers include the US in the "developed world" category.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:15:08pm |
re: #68 Varek Raith
Cain for the token. Bet me.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:17:28pm |
re: #68 Varek Raith
How about Condoleezza Rice? I think she would be better than Romney.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:17:38pm |
I found something interesting on Wikipedia:
Politically, American Muslims were both pro-larger government and socially conservative. For example, 70% of respondents preferred a bigger government providing more services, while 61% stated that homosexuality should be discouraged by society. Despite their social conservatism
I'm part of the 39%.
However, the number of Muslims being less than 3 million in the US seems a bit low. I say this because apparently, about 800k of us live in the NYC metro, and I find it hard to believe that we are that concentrated, especially when Central Florida, which is not known as Muslim Hotspot, has 6-10 mosques, and OKC has 3 Large ones, plus a decently sized one in Norman.
I have to think the number is like ~3-6 million. CL here? I want her opinion.
I wish the Census could ask about religion. That isn't showing bias if you are doing that.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:19:30pm |
BTW, I'm trying Bing more often these days. When it started I just ignored it as it just didn't do what I wanted (compared to Google.) But now I finding that I can find *in certain circumstances* more interesting stuff with Bing than with Google.
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palomino Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:21:20pm |
re: #73 jhrhv
How about Condoleezza Rice? I think she would be better than Romney.
Condi makes no strategic sense. She's not gonna win over significant numbers of black voters, she's not from a swing state, she has no experience campaigning or serving in elective office, and she was in the Bush admin. for all 8 years, not something Romney wants to highlight.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:22:13pm |
re: #76 palomino
She's not gonna win over significant numbers of black voters, she's not from a swing state,...
But she might pull in a few pianists.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:22:23pm |
You're probably right. I just sort of like her because she is smart. Not enough smart running right now. Maybe not any.
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Olsonist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:22:38pm |
I think you might see Santorum squeezed out after FLA but the hot Romney-Gingrich one on one action will keep on coming. They're not exhausted yet. Yes, Romney is on top for now. But in SC Gingrich took Romney by surprise from behind. Yeah, these two guys are going to keep going at each other until one of them just gives in.
Ron Paul on the other hand will be saying that regardless, men shouldn't able to marry men.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:23:26pm |
re: #79 Olsonist
I'm still expecting Santorum to be Mitt's running mate.
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jhrhv Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:25:29pm |
That wasn't a very good comment on my part. Sort of splitting attention between LGF and the Mrs. Think I'll drop off now. Have a nice night all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:26:05pm |
re: #63 Varek Raith
SUNDAY
SUNDAY
SUNDAY!!!
There's a Monster Truck show tonight in my 'burg.
Sold out. Parking lot is full. Free shuttles.
Sigh.
Being a snob is tiresome, but someone has to do it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:28:38pm |
re: #80 freetoken
A mormon and a catholic on the same ticket? Wouldn't the religious right end up eating their own faces?
/
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Shvaughn Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:30:18pm |
So what cabinet position would Herman Cain like to get in a Gingrich administration?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:30:40pm |
re: #74 ProLifeLiberal
The Number of Mosques in the Larger Area my grandparents, Uncle, and Cousins live is no fewer than 12 (This is the Orlando Metro+Brevard County).
6-7 of them are in Orlando.
I want an attached question to the next census about Religion. >:(
Edit: I've found out that there are many mosques not affiliated with the main regional umbrella. It's now up to 13. To try and keep counting would be an exercise in futility.
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allegro Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:30:53pm |
re: #84 Shvaughn
So what cabinet position would Herman Cain like to get in a Gingrich administration?
King
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:31:38pm |
re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's a Monster Truck show tonight in my 'burg.
Sold out. Parking lot is full. Free shuttles.
Sigh.
Being a snob is tiresome, but someone has to do it.
We went to one at a county fair.
Exciting at first, but the same thing over and over again. Big trucks bouncing around and spraying mud.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:32:31pm |
re: #84 Shvaughn
So what cabinet position would Herman Cain like to get in a Gingrich administration?
He's declared that he thinks he should be Secretary of Defense...yeah, I know, I thought it was a joke at first too, but I think he's serious.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:34:30pm |
re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
He's declared that he thinks he should be Secretary of Defense...yeah, I know, I thought it was a joke at first too, but I think he's serious.
At least we'll know we won't be going to war with 90ish percent of the world.
Damn mountains.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:34:41pm |
re: #87 EmmmieG
Did you see that?
What?
That truck? It just ran over a junk car!
Wow.
See that truck?
Yeah.
Watch it.
Okay. Why?
It's going to run over a junk car.
... ad nauseam.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:35:35pm |
Today's dose of creationist derp:
Evolution and Creationism: A Forever Debatable Topic
He claims to be certified to teach biology and Earth science. Of true, it just goes to show that "certification" doesn't really mean much.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:36:05pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you see that?
What?
That truck? It just ran over a junk car!
Wow.
See that truck?
Yeah.
Watch it.
Okay. Why?
It's going to run over a junk car.
... ad nauseam.
Monster Trucks, something that must mystify the fuck out of the rest of the world.
"Who would get enjoyment out of wasting all that money building a big truck just to crush cars?"
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:37:02pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you see that?
What?
That truck? It just ran over a junk car!
Wow.
See that truck?
Yeah.
Watch it.
Okay. Why?
It's going to run over a junk car.
... ad nauseam.
Ours had a hilly-and-watery run set up. The "best" part was when a kid stood his truck on end and we all waited breathlessly to see if the ambulances were going to be getting involved.
They made him stop at that point, because it was obvious his truck was too heavy in back.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:45:35pm |
Watch out for the breakfast bacon. We're still using a livestock growth drug banned by China.
Dispute over drug in feed limiting US meat exports
A drug used to keep pigs lean and boost their growth is jeopardizing the nation’s exports of what once was known as “the other white meat.”
The drug, ractopamine hydrochloride, is fed to pigs and other animals right up until slaughter and minute traces have been found in meat. The European Union, China, Taiwan and many others have banned its use, citing concerns about its effect on human health, limiting U.S. meat exports to key markets.
Although few Americans outside of the livestock industry have ever heard of ractopamine, the feed additive is controversial. Fed to an estimated 60 to 80 percent of pigs in the United States, it has sickened or killed more of them than any other livestock drug on the market, an investigation of Food and Drug Administration records shows. Cattle and turkeys have also suffered high numbers of illnesses from the drug.
Growing concern over sick animals in the nation's food supply sparked a California law banning the sale and slaughter of livestock unable to walk, but that law was struck down by the Supreme Court Monday. Meat producers had sued to overturn California’s ban, arguing that the state could not supercede federal rules on meat production. The court agreed.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:46:16pm |
We're doomed... and yes, I've really lost count of the number of reasons why...
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:50:44pm |
re: #79 Olsonist
I think you might see Santorum squeezed out after FLA
I think you should have used some other words here. Gag. /
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:51:20pm |
re: #96 jaunte
Ugh. Fat pigs taste better, and two of the three kinds of fatty acids found in pigs are actually good for you.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:53:43pm |
re: #97 freetoken
We're doomed... and yes, I've really lost count of the number of reasons why...
Lovely. In light of all this (and absent a technological miracle), how can the human race not go extinct by the year 2150 or so? Serious question.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:54:27pm |
re: #96 jaunte
See, I told you we were doomed.
Fortunately I eat very, very little meat.
When used as a food additive, ractopamine added to feed can be distributed via the blood to the muscle tissues, where it will bind to specific beta receptors in the muscle cell membranes. Cascade of event will then be initiated to increase protein synthesis, which results in increase in muscle fiber size. Ractopamine is known to increase the rate of weight gain, improve feed efficiency and increase carcass leanness in finishing swine.
Well, gee, if it makes one more muscular then bodybuilders ought to use it!
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:55:44pm |
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:57:42pm |
re: #100 publicityStunted
Lovely. In light of all this, how can the human race not go extinct by the year 2150 or so? Serious question.
Homo sapiens are omnivores. In this case "omnivore" means opportunistic eater - that is, we will eat pretty much anything we can find, from whatever kingdom of life (flora, fauna, fungi, etc.)
We even can consume each other, though cannibalism isn't known to be a big factor in human evolution.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:58:00pm |
re: #101 freetoken
Find yourself a good butcher, and don't eat that shit from the grocery stores.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:00:07pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you see that?
What?
That truck? It just ran over a junk car!
Wow.
See that truck?
Yeah.
Watch it.
Okay. Why?
It's going to run over a junk car.
... ad nauseam.
Why pay for the full seat when I'm only going to use the edge?
| 106 |
Interesting Times Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:01:40pm |
re: #103 freetoken
Homo sapiens are omnivores. In this case "omnivore" means opportunistic eater - that is, we will eat pretty much anything we can find, from whatever kingdom of life (flora, fauna, fungi, etc.).
You die of thirst far sooner than you die of hunger. When this comes to pass, where are people going to find enough fresh water to drink? What about even more opportunistic viruses, and war?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:04:04pm |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you see that?
What?
That truck? It just ran over a junk car!
Wow.
See that truck?
Yeah.
Watch it.
Okay. Why?
It's going to run over a junk car.
... ad nauseam.
This is something that those of us who commute to work on the numerous freeways in the DFW area see free of charge every workday.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:04:42pm |
re: #106 publicityStunted
No doubt in a warmer world there will be large areas of arid lands...
Yet, you asked about survival of the species (i.e., "extinction"), not the survival of our modern world system. The latter is doomed (I keep telling you all), but the former will sputter on.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:06:10pm |
Googling "ractopamine" seems to consistently bring up this Counterpunch article:
If You Liked Bovine Growth Hormone, You’ll Love Beta Agonists
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:07:31pm |
re: #108 freetoken
But will we sputter on "12 Monkeys" style, "Time Machine" style, or "Fallout" style?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:09:54pm |
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:11pm |
Allen West To Liberals: Get the Hell Out Of The U.S.
Speaking to a Lincoln Day Dinner in West Palm Beach for the Palm Beach County GOP, Rep. Allen West (R-Fla) fired off a humdinger of a line that within minutes drew recriminations from Democrats on Twitter.
"We need to let President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, (audience boos) and my dear friend the chairman of the Democrat National Committee, we need to let them know that Florida ain't on the table," West said. "Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America."
Republican party. Unhinged.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:23pm |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
But will we sputter on "12 Monkeys" style, "Time Machine" style, or "Fallout" style?
I'm saving bottle caps in anticipation of the third.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:35pm |
re: #109 freetoken
Googling "ractopamine" seems to consistently bring up this Counterpunch article:
If You Liked Bovine Growth Hormone, You’ll Love Beta Agonists
Yeesh. She also writes for Huffington Post.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:40pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Yet, you asked about survival of the species (i.e., "extinction"), not the survival of our modern world system. The latter is doomed (I keep telling you all), but the former will sputter on.
But without the "modern world system", humans are pretty much helpless against massive disease outbreaks. Starving, hungry, un-immunized people won't have much resistance. One super-germ is all it would take, and they're evolving at a rather alarming rate...
| 116 |
Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:10:49pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
I just blocked and reported a stalker on Twitter who was pretending to be you.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:11:09pm |
re: #112 Amory Blaine
Allen West To Liberals: Get the Hell Out Of The U.S.
Republican party. Unhinged.
War criminal says what?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:11:22pm |
re: #109 freetoken
Googling "ractopamine" seems to consistently bring up this Counterpunch article:
If You Liked Bovine Growth Hormone, You’ll Love Beta Agonists
If it's Counterpunch, you know it's full of shit.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:11:50pm |
re: #115 publicityStunted
But without the "modern world system", humans are pretty much helpless against massive disease outbreaks. Starving, hungry, un-immunized people won't have much resistance. One super-germ is all it would take, and they're evolving at a rather alarming rate...
If the power goes out in a major city and doesn't come back on, what do you think life expectancy is going to be? 90 days?
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jaunte Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:06pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
I thought they might pull most of the crazy out of the GOP into a third party.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:13pm |
re: #116 Alouette
I just blocked and reported a stalker on Twitter who was pretending to be you.
What was its name?
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:18pm |
re: #118 Dark_Falcon
If it's Counterpunch, you know it's full of shit.
What's a little pseudo science now and then.
//
| 123 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:27pm |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
But will we sputter on "12 Monkeys" style, "Time Machine" style, or "Fallout" style?
Logan's Run style.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:12:43pm |
re: #113 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm saving bottle caps in anticipation of the third.
I... what the... gawd damnit!!! I've been saving the bottles and throwing out the caps. Fuck.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:13:37pm |
re: #119 Alouette
If the power goes out in a major city and doesn't come back on, what do you think life expectancy is going to be? 90 days?
It depends on the individuals. I imagine anyone who can get out will be okay.
| 126 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:13:41pm |
re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Logan's Run style.
Free, casual sex until you're thirty? I'm in!
| 127 |
Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:13:52pm |
re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Logan's Run style.
Well, I guess that gives me another 2 years before Carousel.
/
| 128 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:13:56pm |
re: #112 Amory Blaine
Allen West To Liberals: Get the Hell Out Of The U.S.
Republican party. Unhinged.
Well to fair, "take your message out" isn't the same as 'take yourself out'. But he still should have said it better.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:14:40pm |
Whoever invented the name 'ractopamine' must not have wanted it to sound appetizing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:14:48pm |
re: #127 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Run, Runner!"
| 131 |
Lidane Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:15:02pm |
re: #112 Amory Blaine
Allen West To Liberals: Get the Hell Out Of The U.S.
Republican party. Unhinged.
Fuck him. He should count his blessings that he's not in a military prison right now.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:15:05pm |
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:15:48pm |
re: #115 publicityStunted
A more dispersed population allows for the isolation of contagious diseases.
As much as a doomer that I've become, I do not foresee the extinction of our species. Downsizing the population? Well, yes, that will come either voluntarily or involuntarily, eventually.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:18:12pm |
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EdDantes Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:18:57pm |
re: #97 freetoken
Doomed again. When I was born I was supposed to die in a nuclear conflagration. As a young teen I was supposed to die from an increasing population and food shortages exacerbated by the coming ice age and increasing population. Then melanoma from our depleted ozone layer (somewhere in there was the depletion of fossil fuels resulting in a world-wide depression), then mad-cow disease, then avian flu at the same time as global warming..
I know I've left something out.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:02pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Because your side is bent on Culture War and must be defeated at all costs.
Look at what Allen West said (Post below you.)
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:04pm |
| 138 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:10pm |
re: #134 Alouette
Heh. I'm doing my part by not breeding.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:49pm |
re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. I'm doing my part by not breeding.
Heh. I did your part and everyone else's who didn't breed.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:20:58pm |
re: #132 Alouette
Using your icon.
Yeah, I'm familiar with that one. It's been there a while, fake responding (not really responding, since I blocked that troll months ago) to my posts and spewing insults. Just plain stupid and lame.
[waves to the Stalkers]
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:21:35pm |
re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. I'm doing my part by not breeding.
Dude... you're doing it wrong.
You're suppose to not conceive... breeding is still on the table (or anywhere else.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:21:46pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:22:07pm |
re: #135 EdDantes
Doomed again. When I was born I was supposed to die in a nuclear conflagration. As a young teen I was supposed to die from an increasing population and food shortages exacerbated by the coming ice age and increasing population. Then melanoma from our depleted ozone layer (somewhere in there was the depletion of fossil fuels resulting in a world-wide depression), then mad-cow disease, then avian flu at the same time as global warming..
I know I've left something out.
You forgot the Islamic conquest of the globe.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:22:37pm |
re: #139 Alouette
Kind of you to pick up my slack. I'll get you a fruitcake or something.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:23:23pm |
re: #133 freetoken
As much as a doomer that I've become, I do not foresee the extinction of our species.
Methane Thought To Be Responsible For Mass Extinction
Ryskin calculated that some 10,000 gigatons of dissolved methane could have accumulated in water near the ocean floor under high pressure. If released quickly, perhaps triggered by an earthquake, the resulting cloud of methane would have an explosive force about 10,000 times greater than the world's entire stockpile of nuclear weapons. The huge conflagrations plus flooding and overturned oceans would cause the extinctions.
Why wouldn't this happen within the next few decades, thanks to faster-than-ever warming, permafrost melting, and methane being belched upward from a soon-to-be-ice-free arctic ocean?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:23:39pm |
re: #136 ProLifeLiberal
Because your side is bent on Culture War and must be defeated at all costs.
Look at what Allen West said (Post below you.)
Politics is not war in America, not yet. I actually oppose "at all costs!!1" rhetoric in politics, where I feel it engenders too much violent passion. Best to save that kind of talk for actual shooting wars.
I do have a good CNN piece on Nigeria I'm going to post in a little bit, though. Give it a look, won't you?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:23:45pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:24:25pm |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
But will we sputter on "12 Monkeys" style, "Time Machine" style, or "Fallout" style?
Idiocracy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:25:31pm |
re: #148 negativ
That movie was so lame. No where near as funny as my expectations.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:25:38pm |
re: #143 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I tend to be more country-by-country.
For example, general Optimistic for the US, as the Demographics are shifting against Republicans, which means in a few decades, we can get revenge and treat the Republicans like they have treated Democrats (Yes, I am falling for base instincts).
The UK I am very pessimistic about. They will keep Scotland though. This is why I prefer us getting closer to France.
| 153 |
Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:29:21pm |
| 154 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:29:32pm |
re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth
That movie was so lame. No where near as funny as my expectations.
It's a documentary from the future. Not supposed to be funny.
| 155 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:31:05pm |
re: #154 negativ
It's a documentary from the future.
I found it more like a turd in a punchbowl. Meh, different strokes.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:34:03pm |
re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth
I found it more like a turd in a punchbowl. Meh, different strokes.
That's because we have much better examples of Idiocracy in real life than what was in the film.
See: Palin, Sarah. Also see: Party, Tea.
| 159 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:34:54pm |
re: #59 Varek Raith
Dear GOP nonestablishement,
Mitt will be your nominee.
You have failed to settle on a non-Mitt.
Deal with it.
I think they failed to understand Political Particle Physics well enough.
They were hoping that one of their anti-Mitts would mutually annihilate with Mitt, leaving their anti-Mitt candidate as the nominee.
However, since the weak electoral field requires a particle to attain close proximity for this to occur it did not happen since none of them could gain sufficient poll-astic spin to do this. Thus the repulsion effect of Right Side Reality kicked in and pushed the anti-Mitts out of contention. Though it did have the effect of pulling the Mitt particle to the Right due to the Law of Conservation of Conservative Principles.
;)
| 160 |
EdDantes Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:35:10pm |
I like being doomed. Kinda takes the pressure off.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:36:09pm |
re: #150 ProLifeLiberal
I tend to be more country-by-country.
For example, general Optomistic for the US, as the Demographics are shifting against Republicans, which means in a few decades, we can get revenge and treat the Republicans like they have treated Democrats (Yes, I am falling for base instincts).
The UK I am very pessimistic about. They will keep Scotland though.
No..This has got to stop..We need to work together as Americans and Citizens...No more revenge for the past deeds..
We need bridges into the 21 century..
/Now that was Clintonist..Admit it ProLife!
*wink* Be back to Norman for lunch bro
| 162 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:37:00pm |
re: #154 negativ
It's a documentary from the future. Not supposed to be funny.
It's a funny movie, but while tempting to think it is extrapolating from some kind of trend line, it really isn't.
| 163 |
Ming Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:38:39pm |
| 164 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:43:18pm |
Here's that Nigeria article I was talking about, PLL. Look it over and tell me what you think.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:43:25pm |
re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth
Ugh. My apologies for not fully viewing that before linking it. Fucking YouTubers.
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sagehen Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:44:18pm |
re: #76 palomino
Condi makes no strategic sense. She's not gonna win over significant numbers of black voters, she's not from a swing state, she has no experience campaigning or serving in elective office, and she was in the Bush admin. for all 8 years, not something Romney wants to highlight.
Plus, she wants nothing to do with these whackjobs.
| 167 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:45:35pm |
So how is everyone's Saturday Night?
D_L & I just got back from Mt Baldy area, took 700+ pictures for time lapse sequencing. About 20 seconds of finished video if all goes well. What was tough was 50 mph gusts. I literally had to weigh down the camera & tripod with 10 pounds hanging on the hook so it would not move or blow over.
Kinda thrilling working in the dark and wind with just a couple glo sticks lights to see by. In the end it got so windy I only dared to have the camera about two feet up off the ground.
| 168 |
Ming Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:48:11pm |
re: #96 jaunte
Thanks for the comment! I had no idea we're using a drug that even China won't touch. Yet another reason I'm a pesca-vegetarian.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:49:35pm |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
Ugh. My apologies for not fully viewing that before linking it. Fucking YouTubers.
Yikes. I'd say what I think about that kind of stuff but it wouldn't be polite. Whew.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:51:18pm |
Hate Rick Santorum all you want, but please do say a prayer for his daughter:
Rick Santorum's three-year-old daughter Isabella, who suffers from a chromosomal condition called Trisomy 18, was admitted to a Philadelphia hospital Saturday.
In a statement, Santorum spokesman Hogan Gidley said the GOP presidential candidate and former Pennsylvania senator would cancel campaign events on Sunday morning.
"Rick and his wife Karen are admitting their daughter Bella to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia this evening," Gidley said. "The campaign will cancel Rick's upcoming Sunday morning Florida campaign schedule. However, Rick intends to return to Florida and resume the campaign schedule as soon as is possible."
Santorum had been slated to appear on NBC's "Meet the Press," as well as make a stop at King Jesus International Ministry in Miami. Santorum has been campaigning in Florida ahead of the state's primary on Tuesday.
Trisomy 18 is caused by extra material from chromosome 18, and is three times more common in girls than boys. Half of patients born with the condition do not survive past the first week of life, according to the National Institutes of Health. Patients who do survive past the first week experience serious medical and developmental problems.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:51:20pm |
re: #167 Rightwingconspirator
I'm in Travel mode RWC..Sounds like you had a great time!
Tell D_L I said hello..
/Everything I need is in the other packed bag..Pisses me off..
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:52:15pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
Yeah. I'm reporting myself. That'll fucking learn me to think "Oh, that's the Austin Powers clip I was looking for" without actually watching more of it. Shame.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:53:41pm |
re: #162 goddamnedfrank
It's a funny movie, but while tempting to think it is extrapolating from some kind of trend line, it really isn't.
Spot on. Heh, and you know you've got a winning comic when it's all just black and white stick figures, and people still dig it like crazy.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:54:13pm |
re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah. I'm reporting myself. That'll fucking learn me to think "Oh, that's the Austin Powers clip I was looking for" without actually watching more of it. Shame.
The weird thing? Looks like it's some kind of hobby for some folks. That's a lot whacky neurons right there.
| 176 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:55:20pm |
Frank Conniff @FrankConniff
Herman Cain is supporting Gingrich because he thought Newt said he wanted to start a "Poon Colony."
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:55:47pm |
re: #164 Dark_Falcon
I've been hearing watching about that. These nuts are basically the Nigerian Taliban, for all intents and purposes. Uneducated and fanatical. Wikipedia has this:
In a 2009 BBC interview, Muhammad Yusuf, then leader of the group, rejected scientific explanation for natural phenomena, such as the sun evaporating water being the cause of rain, Darwinian evolution, and the Earth being a sphere "if it runs contrary to the teachings of Allah". Before his death, Yusuf reiterated the group's objective of changing the current education system and rejecting democracy.
Nigeria is quickly becoming another Afghanistan, because of poverty and societal friction between Muslims and Christians. This is rather unusual, because Relations between Christians and Muslims is much better in the surrounding Nations. It also must be noted they are Salafist, and we all know who that links back to.
However, in regards to Terror, I'm also worried about the United Kingdom. And not just Islamist Terror either.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:55:58pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Hate Rick Santorum all you want, but please do say a prayer for his daughter:
I am sorry to hear that. Looking at Wiki, it's amazing she's beat the odds this long. My thoughts go out to the Santorum family.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:57:17pm |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
Ugh. My apologies for not fully viewing that before linking it. Fucking YouTubers.
I've burned myself with that kind of thing so many times.
"Ah-HAH! There's that clip I was looking for."
*mailto: not_an_idiot@mailhost.com
"Heh-heh, they'll get a kick out of that!"
*15 minutes later*
"From: not_an_idiot@mailhost.com"
"Subj: WTF"
"Why did you send me 30 seconds worth of a Carl Sagan video that suddenly and for no reason has the audio track replaced with farting sounds and techno music?? Are you okay?"
Luckily, I don't even give a shit anymore.
| 180 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:58:05pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
I didn't watch the whole thing. Did it perchance contain that sudden, speaker destroying volume explosion that jerks with said hobby normally like to include?
Ah, and now I see it's deleted. Thanks Charles. And once again, I apologize to everyone for not vetting that damn thing fully before linking it.
| 181 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:59:23pm |
Poop jokes have a special place in my heart.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:59:36pm |
re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth
I didn't watch the whole thing. Did it perchance contain that sudden, speaker destroying volume explosion that jerks with said hobby normally like to include?
Ah, and now I see it's deleted. Thanks Charles. And once again, I apologize to everyone for not vetting that damn thing fully before linking it.
Pretty much. It's the same theme of injecting these goofy word clips in between the dialogue. Seems like that have something about Mario as well. I suppose if I was 5 years old I might find it interesting.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:00:59pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Hate Rick Santorum all you want, but please do say a prayer for his daughter:
Wow, that's pretty heavy. I deeply empathize for him and his wife. It's amazing their daughter has made it this far.
| 184 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:01:08pm |
The GOP never counted on Gingrich's reaction to being Flavor of the Month. Now that he's gotten a taste of power he's like Gollum after the Ring. I think it's possible he might actually bite Romney's finger off before it's all over.
| 185 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:02:10pm |
| 186 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:05:11pm |
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
Fine. I just don't want him falling into the molten pit of Mt. Doom. I don't think the environment could bounce back from that kind of carbon emission.
| 187 |
Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:07:38pm |
re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth
Hey is that Diane Franklin from the Last American Virgin? Hard to tell it's fuzzy.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:07:51pm |
re: #177 ProLifeLiberal
I've been hearing watching about that. These nuts are basically the Nigerian Taliban, for all intents and purposes. Uneducated and fanatical. Wikipedia has this:
Nigeria is quickly becoming another Afghanistan, because of poverty and societal friction between Muslims and Christians. This is rather unusual, because Relations between Christians and Muslims is much better in the surrounding Nations.
However, in regards to Terror, I'm also worried about the United Kingdom. And not just Islamist Terror either.
But they're getting weapons smuggled in, mostly from Libya. The side you and I supported in Libya, but that victory kicked a whole lot of firepower loose.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:09:40pm |
re: #188 Dark_Falcon
That's probably true to a point.
Also, noticed this in Denmark. In relation to the 7/22:
In January 2012 the Danish theatre Café Teatret announced that it was staging a play based on the manifesto. The play, named Manifesto 2083 will be performed three weeks in August 2012. Relatives of the victims of Breivik's actions as well as Danish politicians have criticized the plans of the theatre.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:10:24pm |
re: #187 Amory Blaine
Hey is that Diane Franklin from the Last American Virgin? Hard to tell it's fuzzy.
I believe so. She was also in "Better Off Dead", an excellent flick.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:15:40pm |
re: #171 HoosierHoops
Godspeed to you. Yeah, it usually goes that way with the bag. Annoying.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:19:12pm |
re: #189 ProLifeLiberal
I mostly feel rage at this attempt to get publicity off of the death of 77 people, over 60 of whom were children. Not to mention the personal connection I have to the attack.
In short:
FUCK THESE ASSHOLES!!!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:22:40pm |
re: #192 ProLifeLiberal
I mostly feel rage at this attempt to get publicity off of the death of 77 people, over 60 of whom were children.
In short:
FUCK THESE ASSHOLES!!!
With a railroad spike. Whoever came up with that idea is a piece of shit.
| 194 |
austin_blue Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:22:46pm |
Cain and Grendl. The perfect pair.
Night all.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:23:07pm |
re: #192 ProLifeLiberal
I mostly feel rage at this attempt to get publicity off of the death of 77 people, over 60 of whom were children.
"Young Adults" or "Teenagers" would be more accurate. Regardless, that is in very poor taste, and I fully agree with your sentiments here:
FUCK THESE ASSHOLES!!!
Indeed.
Unless they give it a proper treatment, that is. Yet even at that... too soon.
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BenghaziHoops Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:25:09pm |
re: #191 Rightwingconspirator
Godspeed to you. Yeah, it usually goes that way with the bag. Annoying.
Thanks Man..
I should do a top ten traveling stories on the pages...:)
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:27:11pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
The reaction is Scandinavia at large has been horror and anger. They do have freedom of speech though.
This wouldn't fly in Germany or France. I'm not sure if I like the fact that those two act like that at times.
Though I think France's Laicite thing is taken a bit too far. And apparently, so does the US Government.
| 198 |
ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:29:28pm |
Also, looking at pictures from recently, PM Stoltenberg seems to have aged over a decade in the past year. Like what happened with Governor Blanco after Katrina.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:29:36pm |
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
That said, I'm still more pissed at the Becks and the Gellers that exploited the massacre for political points. Those @#$*! didn't even wait 'til the dead were buried.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:32:22pm |
I'm glad someone (in a widely read outlet) is calling bullshit on yet another psuedo-science claim:
How the craziest f#@!ing "theory of everything" got published and promoted
Physicists have been working for decades on a "theory of everything," one that unites quantum mechanics and relativity. Apparently, they were being too modest. Yesterday saw publication of a press release claiming a biologist had just published a theory accounting for all of that—and handling the origin of life and the creation of the Moon in the bargain. Better yet, no math!
Where did such a crazy theory originate? In the mind of a biologist at a respected research institution, Case Western Reserve University Medical School. Amazingly, he managed to get his ideas published, then amplified by an official press release. At least two sites with poor editorial control then reposted the press release—verbatim—as a news story.
[...]
What that ars writer didn't delve into is that the publisher of the "journal" in question, the swiss company MDPI, publishes several other journals, which IMO are pretty minimally "peer reviewed". The Remote Sensing journal became an outlet for some climate change obfuscation, for instance, because that journal has no responsible earth scientists in charge.
Science, as an industry, is rife with copy-cats and low-ballers, and the commercial publishers who are in the business of churning out papers (supposedly "peer reviewed") are not above slime.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:34:03pm |
re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth
I was just looking through pictures of it and the aftermath.
I noticed something interesting in one of them. A Muslim Kurdish Norwegian was shown having her body being taken to the large church in her home town.
That's something heartwarming about Norway to me.
And I feel the same way about Geller and Beck. And the way the Norwegians have covered the Republican Primaries suggests they are still very much angry at the Republicans.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:34:11pm |
And a very welcome thing in St. Louis:
Sunny skies, a large billowing U.S. flag and an appreciative crowd greeted hundreds of Iraq war veterans who marched Saturday in St. Louis in a first-of-its-kind "welcome home" ceremony.
Some participants rode motorcycles, while others rode in military trucks or on floats.
Many more veterans walked, waving to thousands who lined downtown streets.
Even a local institution, Anheuser-Busch's Clydesdale horse team, took part in "Welcome Home the Heroes."
Grassroots organizers billed the parade and related activities as the first such event in a major U.S. city.
It included resources for Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans to ease the transition to civilian life, including finding work.
Irrespective of what you think of Operation: Iraqi Freedom, a welcome home parade for those who fought in that conflict is appropriate to give them the respect they have so richly earned.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:36:37pm |
re: #201 ProLifeLiberal
I was just looking through pictures of it and the aftermath.
I noticed something interesting in one of them. A Muslim Kurdish Norwegian was shown having her body being taken to one of the main Cathedrals in Oslo for her funeral.
That's something heartwarming about Norway to me.
And I feel the same way about Geller and Beck. And the way the Norwegians have covered the Republican Primaries suggests they are still very much angry at the Republicans.
They ought not to be. Mitt Romney isn't responsible for Glenn Beck.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:39:48pm |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
Norway is a mode that won't dissipate for a while. I talked about this earlier. Tick them off enough, and the Psycho Viking Norseman pop out.
They said, for example, that the fact Santorum won in Iowa shows that all Republicans care about is Hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if some Notable Norwegians came over from the Motherland to campaign in the Norwegian-American heavy states in the Upper Midwest
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:40:49pm |
Sky Beauty Break
A peek at the sunset I shot tonight for a high res time lapse.
Paged...
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Lidane Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:41:00pm |
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
The GOP never counted on Gingrich's reaction to being Flavor of the Month. Now that he's gotten a taste of power he's like Gollum after the Ring. I think it's possible he might actually bite Romney's finger off before it's all over.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:42:31pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:45:11pm |
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Lidane Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:46:02pm |
re: #207 freetoken
And they're "Hooting" for Newtie, too:
Personally, I prefer the Austin Lounge Lizards:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:47:15pm |
re: #206 Lidane
May it fracture, then burn, and perhaps from it's ashes a conservative movement will arise that hews closer to it's Classical Liberal roots than this warped, evangelical monstrosity we see today.
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Lidane Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:50:37pm |
re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth
May it fracture, then burn, and perhaps from it's ashes a conservative movement will arise that hews closer to it's Classical Liberal roots than this warped, evangelical monstrosity we see today.
If Newt really does stay in until the convention, I will laugh. Then I'll wonder what will happen to the GOP. The divide between the party bosses and the party base is huge right now.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:52:49pm |
re: #211 Lidane
Newt has no reason to turn down any attention he will get, given that his ego is his goal, after all. Of course he wants to be on national television during prime time, and he can do so at the national GOP convention.
I also expect Santorum to stay for the long run even with lower total votes, unless the condition of his daughter worsens requiring him to pull out.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:53:29pm |
re: #211 Lidane
If we are lucky, a third party that splits the ticket, and perhaps even hurts downticket Republicans. This could then be used to do Texas-Style Redistricting to further damage the Republican Party.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:56:15pm |
re: #211 Lidane
If Newt really does stay in until the convention, I will laugh. Then I'll wonder what will happen to the GOP. The divide between the party bosses and the party base is huge right now.
We'll see the big schism whose initial fractures are already becoming apparent. Romney gets the nomination, the base may defect en mass, while a Newt nomination will lead to the establishment ripping out their hair trying to figure out how they're going to salvage their Congressional aspirations with such a toxic candidate on the ticket. The only third option is a brokered convention that sees a "savior" ride in, but anybody who does will be at such a disadvantage that it's unlikely they'd win.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:58:00pm |
re: #211 Lidane
I hope he does. The GOP either needs to purge their psychosis, or wither away to make room for something better. Not that I have any particular love for the opposition party, but they have spent time shedding their loonies and are looking like the lesser of two evils to me right now.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:58:59pm |
re: #204 ProLifeLiberal
Norway is a mode that won't dissipate for a while. I talked about this earlier. Tick them off enough, and the Psycho Viking Norseman pop out.
They said, for example, that the fact Santorum won in Iowa shows that all Republicans care about is Hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if some Notable Norwegians came over from the Motherland to campaign in the Norwegian-American heavy states in the Upper Midwest
Frankly, with that Norway can go fuck off! And any Norwegians who come here to involve themselves in American politics ought to be deported posthaste. These are our elections. Foreigners may talk all they want about them, but they may not directly attempt to influence them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:00:10pm |
re: #212 freetoken
I also expect Santorum to stay for the long run even with lower total votes, unless the condition of his daughter worsens requiring him to pull out.
I have no respect for that malignant shaman, but that does not extend to his offspring. Best wishes, whatever her condition.
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Robert O. Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:00:31pm |
Go Newt, Go!!! ;-)
I like the GOP circular firing squad. The longer they keep pumping ammo, the better it will be come November. We should give them machine guns.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:00:53pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
Is it a Two-Way street?
Because the now-decimated Progress Party in Norway has been getting support from the Republican Party for years.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:02:49pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
Some Norwegians lost lots of money in the financial crash in the US, a crash which was due in part to the terrible condition of our oversight of financial organizations as well as to the fundamental shadiness of the marketing of US real estate.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:04:23pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
And, if you object to outsiders being interested in the outcome of US elections, how do you feel about those GOP candidates who want to dictate what governments ought to be in, say, Iran, Nicaragua, or Afghanistan?
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:04:34pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
Frankly, with that Norway can go fuck off! And any Norwegians who come here to involve themselves in American politics ought to be deported posthaste. These are our elections. Foreigners may talk all they want about them, but they may not directly attempt to influence them.
Deport people for campaigning, that's really fucked up. Campaigning is just speech, and free speech isn't limited to citizens, or even people in this country. If you support corporations having the right to free speech in the form of money and contributions, why shouldn't otherwise legal foreigners in the country be allowed to do the same?
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:05:51pm |
re: #222 goddamnedfrank
Indeed, since US corporations can be owned by anyone, the new power of US corporations to influence US politics essentially gives anyone in the world (with money) the ability to influence US politics.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:07:33pm |
re: #213 ProLifeLiberal
If you think that sort of partisan gerrymandering can ever be a good thing, then you're seriously messed up. Gerrymandering is like the One Ring: It can never be used to do real good. It is simply an evil thing that good people are sometimes subjected to.
And we already have a place where blatantly partisan redistricting is used against Republicans: It's called Illinois. So I myself know what its like to get screwed by that sort of thing, and I am pissed as Hell that you think its OK that the Dems of Illinois should use tactics like that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:13:33pm |
re: #221 freetoken
In fairness, it ain't just one of our political parties that wants to dictate that sort of thing. Just sayin'.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:15:04pm |
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
If you think that sort of partisan gerrymandering can ever be a good thing, then you're seriously messed up.
Could we go with "misguided" instead? Also, just sayin'.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:15:28pm |
re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, you're quite right. Americans have over a century of having the ability/luxury of dictating to smaller countries what should and should not happen.
My point is that we, the world, are transitioning away from that model of international regime, and a non-trivial segment of the American electorate are having a hard time swallowing that.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:16:47pm |
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
re: #220 freetoken
Would also like to point out that, for all the talk of "American Exceptionalism" the Republicans do, they belong to the International Democrat Union, an international alliance of Conservative Parties, while the Democrats are one of the few major parties in the World to not be involved in any of those sorts of organizations.
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
While I do see your point, I'm bit like you. My big goal is my side winning.
I've already come under criticism from my parents, grandparents, a Muslim friend here, and the Local Imam for being a "Mirror Salafi," which is to say someone who is viciously opposed to the other side, and am prone to acting alot like them against them, if that makes any sense. This is also true in domestic politics, in that I believe in acting against the other side the way I perceive them to be acting against us.
I tend to slide to being Machiavellian very quickly.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:20:05pm |
re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth
Could we go with "misguided" instead? Also, just sayin'.
No, we cannot. PLL is messed up in my opinion. The young man got treated really badly earlier in life and that rage that mistreatment engendered is leading him down a very dark path. He needs help. I don't say that in mock sympathy, I say it because I fear for him.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:20:48pm |
re: #227 freetoken
And this could have consequences for the Republicans in this election. Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, and South Dakota are still very Norwegian heavy.
Any influence Norway put on things here, which is not out of the question, could have an poor effect on the Republican Party.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:22:45pm |
re: #230 ProLifeLiberal
My own experience with those Norwegian decent areas lead me to believe that those communities are now composed of (1) SoCons, strongly already committed to the SoCon control of the GOP, or (2) pretty "liberal" in the Walter Mondale school of politics.
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Big Joe Ghazi Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:28:08pm |
Tito & Tarantula - Strange Face Of Love
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:28:19pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
I had a Muslim Friend this week tell me the same thing. So you are not the only one to say this.
She is interesting. Wants to get her family out of Pakistan to the US, as she sees it as a collapsing state, which is unusual among Pakistanis I have met. Many Pakistanis I meet tend to be in denial. Was also puzzled by my fear of the direction the UK is going, until I explained my perception.
I had some issues with school here in the last two weeks (class I signed up for disappeared, and I was enrolled in a class I already took by the department. Had to drop that class and find an alternative), but will be setting up an appointment with the school counselor for this next week. People around me are putting increasing criticism of the way I act. Again, you are only one of about 20.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:34:36pm |
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
While I do see your point, I'm bit like you. My big goal is my side winning.
I want to win, true, but there are some values I adhere to, rules I think should be held to. Redistricting honestly is on of those things. The only way to have an honest system is to give both sides a fair chance. Otherwise you get Illinois (which has moonbats and major corruption) or you get Texas (which has wingnuts and major corruption). What is needed is non-loons and honesty, and gerrymandering will not get you that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:36:16pm |
re: #233 ProLifeLiberal
Well crap. I was just about to give DF a ration of shit over that, but I guess it does appear you are dealing with something.
Whatever it is, and I don't need to know, but whatever it is that you're dealing with I would hope you seek a positive venue for dealing with it. I would hate to hear that this "thing" consumed you in a negative way.
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Olsonist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:38:07pm |
Hmmm. Non political gerrymandering? There have been several attempts and it turns political fast. Perhaps we could let the French do it for us. Yeah, that'd work.
Seriously, gerrymandering doesn't have a you cut I choose easy solution.
There are other problems. Why does New Mexico and Rhode Island get two Senators each? Why don't voters in DC have House or Senate representation? These are very gerrymandering-like.
Gerrymandering is easy to attack and hard to improve on.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:40:41pm |
re: #233 ProLifeLiberal
I had a Muslim Friend this week tell me the same thing. So you are not the only one to say this.
She is interesting. Wants to get her family out of Pakistan to the US, as she sees it as a collapsing state, which is unusual among Pakistanis I have met. Many Pakistanis I meet tend to be in denial. Was also puzzled by my fear of the direction the UK is going, until I explained my perception.
I had some issues with school here in the last two weeks (class I signed up for disappeared, and I was enrolled in a class I already took by the department. Had to drop that class and find an alternative), but will be setting up an appointment with the school counselor for this next week. People around me are putting increasing criticism of the way I act. Again, you are only one of about 20.
You're a good man, I know you are. It's it's like the song says "You keep carryin' that anger, it'll eat you up inside".
Find a release from that anger PLL. You don't have to forgive those wingnuts for how they treated you, but you still do have to move past that mistreatment. That's the only way you'll be able to move forward in life.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:41:08pm |
That PJM is pushing Newtie's 51st state on the Moon as something to seriously evaluate (by CEI hack Rand Simberg) is groan inducing, but that there is then commenters who want to take Newt seriously is beyond derision.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:41:25pm |
re: #236 Olsonist
Non political gerrymandering?
No such thing. Gerrymandering, by definition, is a partisan endeavor. Redistricting, however...
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:41:52pm |
re: #236 Olsonist
One way to fix it:
Get rid of the districts altogether and go to a more European way of doing it. I know they tend to do Proportional Representation. We can do it the Dutch manner, or Italian Manner.
Honestly, this is the best way. Get's rid of redistricting, and gives more parties a chance. And some states are impossible to not Gerrymander. Maryland is a great example. Its shape is bizarre. It looks like IT was gerrymandered in to existence.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:43:10pm |
Politicians and parties losing touch with reality starts to frighten me. I've read too much history to not have seen multiple cases in the past where leaders took countries into a world of hurt because the world and their perception of the world did not mesh.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:44:05pm |
re: #236 Olsonist
Hmmm. Non political gerrymandering? There have been several attempts and it turns political fast. Perhaps we could let the French do it for us. Yeah, that'd work.
Seriously, gerrymandering doesn't have a you cut I choose easy solution.
There are other problems. Why does New Mexico and Rhode Island get two Senators each? Why don't voters in DC have House or Senate representation? These are very gerrymandering-like.
Gerrymandering is easy to attack and hard to improve on.
All states have two seats in the Senate as an anti-majoritarian device of the Constitution. The intent was and remains to ensure that less populous regions cannot be tyrannized by more heavily peopled areas.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:45:40pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
All states have two seats in the Senate as an anti-majoritarian device of the Constitution. The intent was and remains to ensure that less populous regions cannot be tyrannized by more heavily peopled areas.
Yep. The Senate is the only place where Rhode Island and Wyoming gets to roar as loudly as California and New York. And pretty much necessary to avoid a large chunk of the country effectively being sent into 2nd class political status.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:47:08pm |
Wife is away. Did some of my own grocery shopping. Anyone have a defibrillator?
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Olsonist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:47:16pm |
We have a republican system passed down to us from the Romans. Intentionally. It was the founders intent as discussed in the Federalist Papers.
Going to proportional representation (which I'd like) is giving that up.
DF, so instead we let the less populous regions tyrannize the more heavily populated areas. New Mexico gets $2 in Federal spending for ever $1. CA gets $0.70.
I don't see why letting Rhode Island roar as loud as CA is a good thing.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:47:55pm |
I think it's time to say goodbye to the US Senate.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:48:18pm |
re: #238 freetoken
The kid in me* thinks a colony on the moon would be kick ass, while the adult in me knows that Newt's "done in 8 years while swinging an axe at the budget" is impossible.
*The adult in me also thinks a moon colony would be kick ass, though.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:49:26pm |
re: #246 Olsonist
Proportional Representation in the House.
The Senate stays right where the hell it is.
I just see it as the simplest way to get rid of the Gerrymandering issue. Nothing left to gerrymander.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:52:01pm |
re: #247 freetoken
It just needs reform.
The passive Gerrymander needs to go away.
However, the Senate acts as a balance to the more impulsive House. I like the Bicameral System. It just needs tweaking.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:52:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:54:20pm |
re: #246 Olsonist
We have a republican system passed down to us from the Romans. Intentionally. It was the founders intent as discussed in the Federalist Papers.
Going to proportional representation (which I'd like) is giving that up.
DF, so instead we let the less populous regions tyrannize the more heavily populated areas. New Mexico gets $2 in Federal spending for ever $1. CA gets $0.70.
I don't see why letting Rhode Island roar as loud as CA is a good thing.
Because it's the best way to maintain the peace. It greatly reduces the ability of anyone to simply run roughshod over the ideas of others from other parts of the country with whom they disagree.
But now I am grown weary and must sleep. Good Night, All.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:55:36pm |
Hmmm... maybe we should just get away from the concept of "states"?
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:55:55pm |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
Was at least able to agree about the Senate before you left. :P
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:56:00pm |
re: #251 Varek Raith
I watched it last night. Dana was trying to channel his inner Spicoli with his puca shells.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:58:30pm |
re: #253 freetoken
Not gonna happen.
Each state has it's own sort of pride and trying to take that away will just result in screaming and howling. Which would be justly deserved.
Not to mention, the size of the US (Both Physically and Population-wise) make it impractical to govern in a France-like Unitary State. A Federation we will remain. Although I would like to see powers shift around between states and the feds.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:59:12pm |
re: #251 Varek Raith
Real Time Panel Embarrasses Dana Rohrabacher After He Claims Obama Wants ‘To Gut The Military’
It's Clinton all over again. "He's gutting the military!" No, it's reorganization, preparing the military for the new threats he faces today and in the near future. And part of that reality is that East Asia is where all the action's going to be, not Europe.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:59:55pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It's Clinton all over again. "He's gutting the military!" No, he's it's reorganization, preparing the military for the new threats he faces today and in the near future. And part of that reality is that East Asia is where all the action's going to be, not Europe.
WHAT ABOUT THE SOVIETS?!?!?!
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:01:24pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:01:50pm |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:02:42pm |
re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It's 2011, not 1979!
One more year before the election! No, wait! ;)
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:03:01pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:03:52pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wait til this winter, then you can watch Red Dawn.
Yeah, no.
Not with the silly changes.
:P
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:05:19pm |
re: #264 Varek Raith
Yeah, no.
Not with the silly changes.
:P
What, you don't think North Korea could invade America? What, didn't you play Homefront?!
/
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:05:38pm |
re: #263 Gus 802
You need more chocolate.
//
Had two bars already tonight... the good stuff (72% cacao)... so I'm riding a high. If I have any more I'll be proposing setting up the UN as an elected body to rule over us.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:05:57pm |
The Soviets. A recurring dream or thoughts from many our pasts. You know when I was a child and a young man during the final years of the Cold War I thought about nuclear attacks, wars, and so on. But I never really pondered or worried about a Soviet take-over of this country.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:06:52pm |
re: #266 freetoken
Had two bars already tonight... the good stuff (72% cacao)... so I'm riding a high. If I have any more I'll be proposing setting up the UN as an elected body to rule over us.
I had some chocolate mini-donuts earlier. Yesterday was a standard almond Hershey bar. Chocolate is a necessary nutrient!
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:08:16pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:10:35pm |
re: #270 Varek Raith
Gah. What was the old SF story where the scientist gets kidnapped by the Nazis operating flying saucers out of Antarctica. And they're fighting the "communists" in high altitude/low orbit who also have saucers. Except, of course, it's not really communists.
(Goes to do search.)
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:10:39pm |
Heh, watched Demolition Man the other day and remembered how they sad anything harmful was illegal, like cigarettes, red meat, and "fluid transfer." Wondered for awhile after that if it also meant that chocolate was outlawed.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:10:57pm |
re: #268 Gus 802
I had some chocolate mini-donuts earlier. Yesterday was a standard almond Hershey bar. Chocolate is a necessary nutrient!
The US laws about "chocolate" are actually more restrictive than European laws (p.s., don't tell the GOP). For Hershey to label their milk chocolate almond bars as "milk chocolate", the FDA requires that it have more than 10% chocolate solids and more than 12% milk solids.
I'm sure Ron Paul doesn't like that.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:11:35pm |
re: #275 freetoken
The US laws about "chocolate" are actually more restrictive than European laws (p.s., don't tell the GOP). For Hershey to label their milk chocolate almond bars as "milk chocolate", the FDA requires that it have more than 10% chocolate solids and more than 12% milk solids.
I'm sure Ron Paul doesn't like that.
You would rule on Jeopardy!.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:11:57pm |
re: #258 Varek Raith
Leave Sergey out of this, dick!
/
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:12:39pm |
re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Heh, watched Demolition Man the other day and remembered how they sad anything harmful was illegal, like cigarettes, red meat, and "fluid transfer." Wondered for awhile after that if it also meant that chocolate was outlawed.
I dunno.
What I do know is that I'd punch anyone who told me to 'enhance your calm'.
Pricks.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:13:19pm |
re: #278 Varek Raith
I dunno.
What I do know is that I'd punch anyone who told me to 'enhance your calm'.
Pricks.
What seems to be your boggle?
/
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:14:15pm |
re: #276 Varek Raith
You would rule on Jeopardy!.
My knowledge is mostly of useless technical stuff. Ask me the classic quiz show questions about the House of Tudor, War of the Roses, or French grammar and I'd flunk.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:14:33pm |
re: #275 freetoken
The US laws about "chocolate" are actually more restrictive than European laws (p.s., don't tell the GOP). For Hershey to label their milk chocolate almond bars as "milk chocolate", the FDA requires that it have more than 10% chocolate solids and more than 12% milk solids.
I'm sure Ron Paul doesn't like that.
I don't care much how they regulate it. As long as it tastes good to me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:15:07pm |
re: #267 Gus 802
The Soviets. A recurring dream or thoughts from many our pasts. You know when I was a child and a young man during the final years of the Cold War I thought about nuclear attacks, wars, and so on. But I never really pondered or worried about a Soviet take-over of this country.
Amerika!! Fuck Y... wait, what?
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:15:29pm |
re: #280 freetoken
My knowledge is mostly of useless technical stuff. Ask me the classic quiz show questions about the House of Tudor, War of the Roses, or French grammar and I'd flunk.
I'm the exact opposite, I'm a major history nut, but a lot of more modern stuff escapes me. Ask me anything pop culture and my brain blue-screens.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:16:36pm |
re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth
Amerika!! Fuck Y... wait, what?
I never got into that stuff. Never watched "Red Dawn" either. B-movies. But hey some folks like that chit and that's cool too.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:16:38pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Well, my quote was mis-typed (should have written "chocolate liquor" as that is where the US standard is stricter than the European one, which allows for non-cocoa butter fats to be included).
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:18:25pm |
re: #273 oaktree
Gah. What was the old SF story where the scientist gets kidnapped by the Nazis operating flying saucers out of Antarctica. And they're fighting the "communists" in high altitude/low orbit who also have saucers. Except, of course, it's not really communists.
(Goes to do search.)
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:20:21pm |
Oggi il governmnet stato ha annunciato che il consumo di cioccolato da essa i cittadini è ora proibita dalla legge.
Firmato, l'autorità della morale cibo
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:20:57pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
I don't recall ever watching "Amerika", but I was aware of it. Meh, I was sixteen at the time. I had better things to do than watch broadcast idiot box.
That said, I am a sucker for anything remotely post apoc, no matter how bad or B-movie level. Including Red Dawn.
Though I mostly prefer post nuke or zombie apoc stuff.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:21:32pm |
Morale!
The chocolate consumption will continue until morale improves.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:22:42pm |
re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't recall ever watching "Amerika", but I was aware of it. Meh, I was sixteen at the time. I had better things to do than watch broadcast idiot box.
That said, I am a sucker for anything remotely post apoc, no matter how bad or B-movie level. Including Red Dawn.
Though I mostly prefer post nuke or zombie apoc stuff.
Vampire zombies! There's this one I really like with Vincent Price. Filmed in Italy I believe. Black and white! Nom, nom.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:22:49pm |
re: #89 Varek Raith
At least we'll know we won't be going to war with 90ish percent of the world.
Damn mountains.
I hear Iran has great skiing.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:22:57pm |
re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth
Amerika!! Fuck Y... wait, what?
Remember the three great socialist authors: Marx, Lenin, and Lincoln!
/
| 296 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:23:59pm |
re: #292 Gus 802
Can't be any worse than this Twilight bullshit.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:24:37pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Can't be any worse than this Twilight bullshit.
Vampires should not sparkle!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:26:38pm |
re: #298 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Must be the offspring of an undead unicorn. Regardless, it's best to dust off and nuke if from orbit. Ya know, just to be sure.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:29:09pm |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:29:17pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Can't be any worse than this Twilight bullshit.
I saw a tiny bit of that during the Summer. I can't do that kind of show. It's basically a vampire soap opera with modern day sex themes -- very soft porn. I re-watched "Green Berets" with John Wayne after seeing a few episodes of new TV and finally figured out that "Green Berets" isn't such a bad movie after all. ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:29:51pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Hate Rick Santorum all you want, but please do say a prayer for his daughter:
Ah, the poor kid. They must be beside themselves, and in the middle of campaign...I can't imagine.
| 304 |
Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:31:10pm |
But for new stuff I'll watch The Office, House, Family Guy, and American Dad mostly. Was watching Outsourced but that got cancelled. Sort of drifted away from NCIS.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:31:35pm |
re: #189 ProLifeLiberal
That's probably true to a point.
Also, noticed this in Denmark. In relation to the 7/22:
Jesus H.
I mean, first, too soon.
Second, I've read some sections of the damn thing. If I want to hear nuts raving to themselves, I'll go to Sproul Plaza.
| 306 |
Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:32:29pm |
re: #303 Amory Blaine
Chicks love vampires.
Unfortunately this vampire trend has a sadder more serious aspect to it. A lot of people actually believe this sort of stuff. Or think that "it can happen." It's not a very good trend.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:32:54pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
I saw a tiny bit of that during the Summer. I can't do that kind of show. It's basically a vampire soap opera with modern day sex themes -- very soft porn. I re-watched "Green Berets" with John Wayne after seeing a few episodes of new TV and finally figured out that "Green Berets" isn't such a bad movie after all. ;)
Twilight's basically soft porn for teenage girls who haven't yet graduated up to Anne Rice novels.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:34:02pm |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:34:26pm |
re: #307 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Twilight's basically soft porn for teenage girls who haven't yet graduated up to Anne Rice novels.
It does have a wider audience than teenage girls.
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:35:27pm |
re: #310 Gus 802
It does have a wider audience than teenage girls.
Which I'd say is sad...except I'm slowly getting infected by the new My Little Pony series.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:35:32pm |
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Amory Blaine Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:36:05pm |
re: #306 Gus 802
Unfortunately this vampire trend has a sadder more serious aspect to it. A lot of people actually believe this sort of stuff. Or think that "it can happen." It's not a very good trend.
Happened in town couple months back.
Cops: Man bound and stabbed over 300 times by two women
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:36:59pm |
re: #314 Amory Blaine
Happened in town couple months back.
Cops: Man bound and stabbed over 300 times by two women
OMG. They look like Cubicle Emos.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:37:39pm |
re: #307 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Twilight's basically soft porn for teenage girls who haven't yet graduated up to Anne Rice novels.
Which is not all that bad.
There's a woman who's doing a page-by-page deconstruction of Twilight on her blog. It's fun, but one thing that does keep coming up is this idea that girls will take the very screwed-up relationships in the book seriously, and try to marry guys like Edward Cullen or something.
Most of the girls I taught who liked the books are basically using them as fantasy fodder. They have no intention of finding an abusive sparkly vampire in real life, it's just erotica.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:38:22pm |
re: #292 Gus 802
Vampire zombies! There's this one I really like with Vincent Price. Filmed in Italy I believe. Black and white! Nom, nom.
_The Last Man On Earth_ probably. One of the first attempts to do a film version of Matheson's "I Am Legend".
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:40:20pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:41:33pm |
re: #311 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Which I'd say is sad...except I'm slowly getting infected by the new My Little Pony series.
It's like I don't even fucking know you anymore. :sigh:
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:43:43pm |
re: #317 oaktree
_The Last Man On Earth_ probably. One of the first attempts to do a film version of Matheson's "I Am Legend".
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Love that movie. All of the details. And that empty supermarket and his fear going there and being inside. The agonizing death of his family.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:45:01pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:45:06pm |
re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth
It's like I don't even fucking know you anymore. :sigh:
How can you be angry with this face?
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:45:54pm |
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:56:51pm |
My Twitter feed looks like a Chinese fire drill. Politics is such a downer business.
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Gus Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:57:33pm |
Por ejemplo:
Ann Coulter's new scent is called "Skank".
OK. Whatever.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:59:00pm |
re: #324 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
How can you be angry with this face?
//
Feel angry? No.
Feel an unholy void of despair? Yes.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:00:45am |
Things are strange:
Counter-terrorism chemical labs test for synthetic pot
...None of those are based on real plots, thankfully. So he's added a new task — helping police in half a dozen states identify "Spice," a chemical substance that produces a marijuana-like high and has sent hundreds of users to emergency rooms.
"It's an unknown chemical," Moran said. "That's exactly what we would have to deal with in a terrorist attack."
Using a counter-terrorism lab to test for synthetic marijuana is the latest sign of how a multibillion-dollar national infrastructure built to detect or respond to chemical or biological attacks over the last decade has adapted to the lack of any actual attacks...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:01:25am |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist
But other people are allowed to have their cheesy porn, and teenage girls need it more than most.
I was under the impression that that demographic had better imaginations than it's male counterparts.
Bitches lied to me again!
///
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:01:43am |
re: #331 Gus 802
Things are strange:
Heh.
PatriciaSchwarz at 11:27 PM January 28, 2012
No terrorists attacking us right now?
That's okay, we'll always have marijuana to freak out over.
As long as the taxpayers can afford to keep footing this bill.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:01:48am |
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:02:21am |
I trust you guys heard that Geithner and Clinton are likely gone soon after election day?
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:02:29am |
re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth
Feel angry? No.
Feel an unholy void of despair? Yes.
I don't think we can be friends anymore.
///
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:03:07am |
re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth
Feel angry? No.
Feel an unholy void of despair? Yes.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:03:19am |
re: #335 Gus 802
I trust you guys heard that Geithner and Clinton are likely gone soon after election day?
Geithner I'd heard and expected, but Clinton? I thought she was happy at State and Obama was happy with her work. Did I miss something?
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:04:16am |
re: #333 Varek Raith
Heh.
I can't of half agree with that though. But what do I know. I suppose it does make some kind of sense. Years ago I've kidded around about developing a marijuana bomb as a non-lethal form of warfare. My specific target I believe, at the time, was, and hypothetically, Iran.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:04:39am |
re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Geithner I'd heard and expected, but Clinton? I thought she was happy at State and Obama was happy with her work. Did I miss something?
Heard it the other night. I can check.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:06:02am |
re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Geithner I'd heard and expected, but Clinton? I thought she was happy at State and Obama was happy with her work. Did I miss something?
Leaning towards...
[Link: joemygod.blogspot.com...]
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:06:57am |
re: #341 Gus 802
Leaning towards...
[Link: joemygod.blogspot.com...]
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]
Yeah, just looked it up myself. Says she's quitting politics, but I'm not believing it unless it's in writing and signed in blood.
| 343 |
Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:07:03am |
I will not miss Geithner. I think Bernanke should go too. I have more suggestions.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:08:19am |
re: #342 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, just looked it up myself. Says she's quitting politics, but I'm not believing it unless it's in writing and signed in blood.
I wouldn't blame her if she does. Clinton has been a very good SoS. Unexpected performance.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:09:40am |
Only thing that pisses me off about the idea of folks leaving the Cabinet is knowing that Obama's gonna have to nominate new folks and go through the whole song and dance with the GOP. Unless the GOP gets its ass kicked in Congressional elections, it's gonna be like pulling teeth with each spot.
| 346 |
Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:14:37am |
re: #345 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Only thing that pisses me off about the idea of folks leaving the Cabinet is knowing that Obama's gonna have to nominate new folks and go through the whole song and dance with the GOP. Unless the GOP gets its ass kicked in Congressional elections, it's gonna be like pulling teeth with each spot.
I that's the case then we can look forward to eternal gridlock. Personally, I don't think this is really a GOP behavioral phenomenon per se. This is a very typical modern American behavior to oppose everything and anything that isn't 100 percent in sync with their own personal values. America is not only Balkanized along state boundaries but ideological boundaries, religions, sects, factions, PACs, groups, etc. The punchline here of course is that even though we have these stew of divergent idea we remain a two-party or what I would call a bi-polar and manic nation state.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:15:28am |
re: #343 Gus 802
I will not miss Geithner. I think Bernanke should go too. I have more suggestions.
After Geithner quits Obama should just appoint his replacement during a recess. Not even nominate normally and give them time to stall, just - BAM, now you got Krugman bitches!
| 348 |
Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:16:51am |
But mostly I'm pissed off that my rendering software crashed with a Runtime error.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:18:31am |
re: #347 goddamnedfrank
After Geithner quits Obama should just appoint his replacement during a recess. Not even nominate normally and give them time to stall, just - BAM, now you got Krugman bitches!
There ya go. There are workaround. Now while I am not a big fan of his I'm not in the same league as the wingnut haters. Geithner was right their with Hank Paulson during the Meltdown as NY Fed president. He was a team player contrary to the propaganda we may have heard.
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Big Joe Ghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:19:24am |
re: #334 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Artificial pot?
A synthetic cannabinoid, almost but not quite entirely unlike pot.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:19:48am |
re: #348 Gus 802
But mostly I'm pissed off that my rendering software crashed with a Runtime error.
My computer the past couple days have been one long series of reboots and headaches. God, I can't wait til Friday, when I can order the new computer and finally put this Ol' Yeller down.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:21:16am |
re: #351 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My computer the past couple days have been one long series of reboots and headaches. God, I can't wait til Friday, when I can order the new computer and finally put this Ol' Yeller down.
Here's a class-a thermal det.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:22:03am |
re: #351 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My computer the past couple days have been one long series of reboots and headaches. God, I can't wait til Friday, when I can order the new computer and finally put this Ol' Yeller down.
I was using this beta program. When you add Windows 7 64 bit to the mix anything can happen.
[Groan.]
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:25:08am |
This country can't survive these election cycles anymore. We probably should extend the presidential term to 6 years.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:25:08am |
re: #352 Varek Raith
Here's a class-a thermal det.
I'm considering the Office Space approach to satisfy my need for revenge.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:25:45am |
re: #356 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm considering the Office Space approach to satisfy my need for revenge.
20 meter blast radius too small?
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:26:33am |
re: #355 Gus 802
This country can't survive these election cycles anymore. We probably should extend the presidential term to 6 years.
Single 6 year terms, giving them time to get things done without worrying about constant election cycles, but also requiring the parties to justify continued rule every election cycle.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:28:54am |
I didn't know this was still an issue:
Who most wants independence for Scotland? The English…
[...]
Research by the Institute for Public Policy Research suggests some reasons why. The number of people in England identifying themselves as English rather than British is rising and with it is a growing feeling that England gets a raw deal from the Union. There is English irritation about the financial deal that allocates more public spending per head to Scotland. In my experience, a sense of unfairness is felt most keenly in northern England where people look on with understandable annoyance at the superior political clout and more generous cash transfers enjoyed by the Scots.
[...]
Independence or not ... Scotland has moved on
Of all the thousands of words generated this week by the debate over independence for Scotland the most important were not the phrasing of the SNP's preferred referendum question, vital as that is for the choice facing the country.
The most important were those used by Alex Salmond in his Hugo Young lecture: ''Scotland can be a beacon for progressive opinion south of the Border''.
Important because they look beyond the necessary but chewy wrangling over the details of the referendum to what kind of country Scotland wants to be in the future. For the really vital question is not simply should Scotland be independent, but why we would want to be. It is this question that has caught imaginations beyond the political community and ignited arguments and discussion in homes, offices and bars throughout the country.
[...]
Countdown to a vote on independence: Questions and Answers
What happens this week?
Alex Salmond is to meet Scottish Secretary Michael Moore for talks in Edinburgh to discuss the referendum. UK sources believe they are close to a deal under which they transfer powers to Holyrood, allowing it to hold a clear referendum on independence.
What are the sticking points?
UK ministers are likely to accept Alex Salmond’s preferred date for the referendum – but only if he first rules out putting a second question on the ballot paper. Salmond has so far refused to do so. Equally, there are doubts within the coalition about the fairness of Salmond’s proposed question, though UK ministers may be content to leave that to the Electoral Commission, the body overseeing the poll.
And if it isn’t resolved?
Salmond last week conceded that he can’t put forward his preferred straightforward question on independence without getting the necessary legal powers from the UK Government (UK ministers say he hasn’t got the legal powers for any referendum). If there’s no deal, he indicated he would then revert to a convoluted question designed to get around the law which would face either being thrown out by the Electoral Commission or being caught up in the courts.
[...]
Ethnic nationalism seems to be on the rise everywhere.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:34:11am |
re: #358 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Single 6 year terms, giving them time to get things done without worrying about constant election cycles, but also requiring the parties to justify continued rule every election cycle.
Has to be done. Also need to do something about this arcane primary schedule we have in the Wall Drug nation. Elections should also be held over the course of at least two days including a weekend date. Prohibiting felons from voting is also an archaic feature. This country needs to let go of this traditional bullshit. Keeping traditional things in a modern society is not scientific or evolutionary by any means. Doing thing because "that's the way they've always been done" is a one-way street to failure.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:34:45am |
re: #359 freetoken
I didn't know this was still an issue:
Who most wants independence for Scotland? The English…
Independence or not ... Scotland has moved on
Countdown to a vote on independence: Questions and Answers
Ethnic nationalism seems to be on the rise everywhere.
One of those simmering under the surface things I bet. Not as bad as a number of other places, stronger in the rural areas, etc. but there.
It also starts coming out in tough economic times since the search for scapegoats and "others" to project your ills on is popular as well.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:35:10am |
Anyone for a new old religious war?
'Kosher Jesus' book ignites skirmish between Jewish scholars
Two of North America's leading orthodox rabbis — including a prominent Jewish scholar in Canada — are engaged in a fierce war of words over the proper place of Jesus Christ in the teachings and traditions of Judaism.
Sparked by the imminent release of the book Kosher Jesus by the high-profile and controversial U.S. rabbi Shmuley Boteach, Toronto-based rabbi Immanuel Schochet — apparently having seen an advance copy — has condemned the publication as "heretical" and pronounced that "it is forbidden for anyone to buy or read this book."
At the centre of the debate are questions involving Jesus's roots as a Jew, and whether "the Jewishness of Jesus," as Boteach puts it, should lead modern Jews to "rediscover" and celebrate the extent to which the Old Testament books of the Bible shaped the thinking of Jesus — even if Christ's disciples and later Christian leaders "misused" Jesus's own teachings to spread their new religion and persecute Jews.
"It's time these universal Jewish ideas that have so influenced the world be traced back to their original source," Boteach has written in defence of his book. "It's time that the Jewishness of Jesus be rediscovered by Christians."
But Schochet, a strong critic of Christian evangelizing of Jews, and whose writings have frequently aimed to highlight the divide between Christians and Jews, issued an open letter last week — first appearing at the international Jewish news website The Algemeiner — in which he vehemently denounced Boteach's book.
[...]
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:35:42am |
re: #359 freetoken
The UK should get rid of that stupid "monarchy" of theirs.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:42:18am |
The progressive ideal was for an independent Ireland. Form follows logic that the progressive ideal for Scotland would follow that it too be independent. We also have at hand a free and democratic election in which the people of Scotland are allowed to decide. At the same time it's not as if though the UK is really an enthusiastic member of the EU either. Even when it was ruled under the Labour Party there were many protestations.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:43:14am |
re: #360 Gus 802
Has to be done. Also need to do something about this arcane primary schedule we have in the Wall Drug nation. Elections should also be held over the course of at least two days including a weekend date. Prohibiting felons from voting is also an archaic feature. This country needs to let go of this traditional bullshit. Keeping traditional things in a modern society is not scientific or evolutionary by any means. Doing thing because "that's the way they've always been done" is a one-way street to failure.
There's a lot of value in primaries, as if nothing else, it provides the illusion of giving party voters a choice in who their candidate will be. But the present schedule, where the largest and most important states take a backseat to places like Iowa and New Hampshire, makes absolutely no sense. And keeping elections to a single day still makes sense, as it avoids the problem of one day's results leaking over and spoiling voting in the second day, but it should be a national federal paid holiday.
Keeping some traditions makes sense, as it defines who and what we are as a nation. But that doesn't mean traditions can't be reformed to take into mind modern considerations.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:44:02am |
FBI tracking videotapers as terrorists?
The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force has recommended for many years that animal activists who carry out undercover investigations on farms could be prosecuted as domestic terrorists.
New documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by activist Ryan Shapiro show the FBI advising that activists – including Shapiro – who walked onto a farm, videotaped animals there and “rescued” an animal had violated terrorism statutes.
The documents, which were first published on Will Potter’s website, Green Is the New Red, were issued by the Joint Terrorism Task Force in 2003 in response to an article in an animal rights publication in which Shapiro and two other activists (whose names were redacted from the document), openly claimed responsibility for shooting video and taking animals from a farm.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:53:07am |
re: #365 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I consider the Primaries to be the "circuses" in the Bread and Circuses theory of governance.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:57:32am |
re: #366 Gus 802
Sounds more like "trespassing and theft" than "video taping and terrorism".
What burns me... some fokers representing ALF/PETA go around and show college crowds how to make fire bombs for the cause. That should get this kind of attention.
What you've linked, sounds more like trespassing and theft, and not so much like terrorism.
| 369 |
Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:58:46am |
re: #367 freetoken
I consider the Primaries to be the "circuses" in the Bread and Circuses theory of governance.
Humans. Isn't it wonderful that after thousands of years of evolution and knowledge that we still have this?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:01:36am |
re: #369 Gus 802
Humans. Isn't it wonderful that after thousands of years of evolution and knowledge that we still have this?
Gus, you ignorant, YEC slut.
/
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Archangelus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:02:50am |
re: #145 publicityStunted
Aaaaand thank you for adding a new original flavor to my traditional brand of nightmares....
/
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:04:02am |
re: #370 Slumbering Behemoth
Gus, you ignorant, YEC slut.
/
Billions. But hey. The fossil record shows that eventually the human species will go extinct. Even through natural causes.
| 373 |
Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:05:06am |
The option for the human species to continue would be interplanetary space colonization.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:06:36am |
Or nearby Terraforming. We'll likely have to do that with Earth.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:07:03am |
re: #371 Archangelus
There are so many flavors.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:07:10am |
So yeah. I think that simplifying the tax code would be a good start.
//
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:07:27am |
re: #369 Gus 802
Humans. Isn't it wonderful that after thousands of years of evolution and knowledge that we still have this?
Heh, given that the other primary American "circus", NASCAR, can trace its lineage back to the chariot races in Rome's literal Circus Maximus... I'd say we've not come very far in 2000 years at all.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:07:29am |
Need a cup of brain bleach now. Googling to try to find the old SF short story I referred to earlier. I think the UFO conspiracy zone of the internet is the melting pot. Intersection of Bible, alien, Nazi, Communist, and who knows what else kookery.
And no luck identifying the story. Probably need to start pulling anthologies off the book shelves and hope it turns up in one of them.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:07:55am |
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:07:57am |
We should do all of that shit first. Simplify the tax code. Legalize gay marriage in every state. Shut up about abortion and move on. We got bigger fish to fry.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:08:53am |
re: #373 Gus 802
The option for the human species to continue would be interplanetary space colonization.
Hurr. Why waste money on that when we can't even fix our own problems here on Earth. Derp.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:09:04am |
re: #372 Gus 802
Billions. But hey. The fossil record shows that eventually the human species will go extinct. Even through natural causes.
So if we die right we can look forward to becoming our own little burp of natural gas for our successors to burn.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:09:48am |
re: #367 freetoken
I consider the Primaries to be the "circuses" in the Bread and Circuses theory of governance.
Thing about it is we can't exactly outlaw them, as there's no Constitutional basis for political parties in the first place and too many states make a killing off primary dollars rolling in every four years.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:10:03am |
re: #377 freetoken
Heh, given that the other primary American "circus", NASCAR, can trace its lineage back to the chariot races in Rome's literal Circus Maximus... I'd say we've not come very far in 2000 years at all.
Oh, did some driver start installing tire cutting hubcaps?
/
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:11:11am |
re: #382 oaktree
So if we die right we can look forward to becoming our own little burp of natural gas for our successors to burn.
Yep. But no one ever dies right. Despite what many people think. Once we're dead we're dead. There ain't no Hilton in the sky. Gone. Vanished. Only memories. And the sad part will be that even the memories will be lost. That would be the greatest tragedy. Even without God. The loss of our memories will be the greatest tragedies of humankind. Gone. Without a record.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:11:33am |
re: #359 freetoken
The most important were those used by Alex Salmond in his Hugo Young lecture: ''Scotland can be a beacon for progressive opinion south of the Border''.
It's hard for many Scots to forget that they endured 13 years of Thatcherism despite overwhelmingly voting against it year after year. I'd say that fo most Scots it's not so much about 'ethnicity' as political fairness. As for the rise in English nationalism, that may be a different matter.
My main worry about independence is that the need for a newly created independent Scotland to balance it's books and show that it can 'stand with the big boys' could actually rsult in a dramatic rolling back of 'progressive' values in our society.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:12:45am |
re: #387 Jimmah
I was actually thinking about English (and Irish) nationalism when I wrote that.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:13:00am |
re: #387 Jimmah
It's hard for many Scots to forget that they endured 13 years of Thatcherism despite overwhelmingly voting against it year after year. I'd say that fo most Scots it's not so much about 'ethnicity' as political fairness. As for the rise in English nationalism, that may be a different matter.
My main worry about independence is that the need for a newly created independent Scotland to balance it's books and show that it can 'stand with the big boys' could actually rsult in a dramatic rolling back of 'progressive' values in our society.
Ha! Funny because that was one of my thoughts. And it was on the fiscal end. The UK has a good infrastructure in place for staying in the black.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:13:13am |
re: #376 Gus 802
So yeah. I think that simplifying the tax code would be a good start.
//
Get the right sort of computer program set up and we should be able to cut out the middle man entirely and get some savings.
You for instance, can just right a couple of $5000 checks directly to Exxon/Mobil and Walmart...
//
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:14:21am |
BTW, I'm reading the Amazon excerpts of "Kosher Jesus", which are quite extensive, and I can see many places where the author really has stretched the facts... quite a bit. A lot of glossing over history, and a very non-scholarly approach to the subject.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:14:33am |
re: #386 Gus 802
Yep. But no one ever dies right. Despite what many people think. Once we're dead we're dead. There ain't no Hilton in the sky. Gone. Vanished. Only memories. And the sad part will be that even the memories will be lost. That would be the greatest tragedy. Even without God. The loss of our memories will be the greatest tragedies of humankind. Gone. Without a record.
Best thing we can hope to do is leave some sort of landmark that will signify that we were here. Right now, there's only a few, such as Mt. Rushmore, that will weather the next few million years in recognizable form.
Well, that and the bunch of space junk that will sit on the lunar surface, undisturbed, for millions of years as well.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:14:33am |
re: #391 oaktree
Get the right sort of computer program set up and we should be able to cut out the middle man entirely and get some savings.
You for instance, can just right a couple of $5000 checks directly to Exxon/Mobil and Walmart...
//
Sigh. $5,000. Used to be I could get about that much for a home design. Before the walls fell.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:16:13am |
re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Best thing we can hope to do is leave some sort of landmark that will signify that we were here. Right now, there's only a few, such as Mt. Rushmore, that will weather the next few million years in recognizable form.
Well, that and the bunch of space junk that will sit on the lunar surface, undisturbed, for millions of years as well.
Devils Tower will remain beyond Mt. Rushmore? But even Mt. Rushmore will eventually erode. Don't know the geology there. Even then. It's certain that within 1 million years it will be almost gone? Perhaps 100s of thousands of years.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:16:59am |
We should probably even have a proven method in place for destroying asteroids.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:17:08am |
re: #386 Gus 802
Gone. Without a record.
And this is what drives people like Mitt Romney (or Barack Obama) to be President. US Presidents will still be in history books (assuming there are books) in 500 years.
The rest of us? No one will know we existed, unless birth records exist long enough and some future descendent wants to put together a very long genealogy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:18:10am |
re: #396 Gus 802
Is Bruce Willis still alive?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:19:00am |
re: #399 Slumbering Behemoth
Drill Baby Nuke!
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:19:42am |
re: #397 freetoken
And this is what drives people like Mitt Romney (or Barack Obama) to be President. US Presidents will still be in history books (assuming there are books) in 500 years.
The rest of us? No one will know we existed, unless birth records exist long enough and some future descendent wants to put together a very long genealogy.
If civilization does survive? Well in my specific case I'll probably get about 15 minutes and then vanish for the most part. I've accepted that destiny. I come from a long line of slackers.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:21:59am |
re: #395 Gus 802
The Black Hills are the easternmost extent of the mountain formation process of the greater Rocky Mountains. Granite and related material makes up the primary components.
Weathering takes a long time, however, with the carving of faces many of the surfaces will develop fractures. There already have been some... and I have no doubt that the noses will fall off long before humans become extinct on the continent.
The rest of the faces may sit there for a long time... longer than the Sphinx in Egypt... unless of course something like the Taliban comes along and decides that carvings of living things offends God and then blows them up.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:24:58am |
re: #390 Gus 802
Ha! Funny because that was one of my thoughts. And it was on the fiscal end. The UK has a good infrastructure in place for staying in the black.
The economic arguments go back and forth, with very different pictures being painted on each side. I gotta admit I am not expert enough in economics to judge. But I do worry that the desire to make history in this way is just the sort of thing that could make people take a recklessly rose tinted view, or, more worrying, regard economic consequences as a price worth paying.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:25:46am |
re: #403 freetoken
The Black Hills are the easternmost extent of the mountain formation process of the greater Rocky Mountains. Granite and related material makes up the primary components.
Weathering takes a long time, however, with the carving of faces many of the surfaces will develop fractures. There already have been some... and I have no doubt that the noses will fall off long before humans become extinct on the continent.
The rest of the faces may sit there for a long time... longer than the Sphinx in Egypt... unless of course something like the Taliban comes along and decides that carvings of living things offends God and then blows them up.
Indeed. But the Sphinx's time is merely a blip in geologic time.
OK I know. Now I sound like Omni magazine. ;)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:27:36am |
re: #401 Gus 802
I've accepted that destiny. I come from a long line of slackers.
Mismo, mismo. Should the Zombie Apocalypse happen, and I make it to the local Costco Compound before you, I might be arsed to help you out.
Providing I'm not tearing through their liquor section at the time.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:28:18am |
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:29:31am |
The problem is staring right in front of us. People that believe in magical or supernatural thinking believe that through osmosis or what's commonly known as "prayer" will save our lives. But that's simply not true. There is no supernatural being that will save us. We have to save ourselves. Salvation is found through our own temporary consciousness. Through or cognitive selves and the wisdom of our predecessors. There is no magical way out of survival.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:30:09am |
re: #403 freetoken
The Black Hills are the easternmost extent of the mountain formation process of the greater Rocky Mountains. Granite and related material makes up the primary components.
Weathering takes a long time, however, with the carving of faces many of the surfaces will develop fractures. There already have been some... and I have no doubt that the noses will fall off long before humans become extinct on the continent.
The rest of the faces may sit there for a long time... longer than the Sphinx in Egypt... unless of course something like the Taliban comes along and decides that carvings of living things offends God and then blows them up.
Hell, the pyramids have been around for thousands of year already and, though they'll likely be buried again after man disappears, they'll still survive for tens of thousands of years still.
By contrast, all our modern methods of preserving our culture and history will fail within a matter of a couple hundred years, if not sooner, due to our over-reliance on technology.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:30:49am |
re: #408 Gus 802
You sound like you're looking to get crucified.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:31:43am |
re: #410 Slumbering Behemoth
You sound like your looking to get crucified.
///
Indeed I am. Indeed I am.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:34:32am |
Just think how I feel when Gingrich starts talking about Paganism in relationship to gays. We're talking seriously stupid here.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:34:47am |
re: #403 freetoken
The Black Hills are the easternmost extent of the mountain formation process of the greater Rocky Mountains. Granite and related material makes up the primary components.
Weathering takes a long time, however, with the carving of faces many of the surfaces will develop fractures. There already have been some... and I have no doubt that the noses will fall off long before humans become extinct on the continent.
The rest of the faces may sit there for a long time... longer than the Sphinx in Egypt... unless of course something like the Taliban comes along and decides that carvings of living things offends God and then blows them up.
IIRC the Sphinx lost it's nose to a Turkish cannoneer who thought it an offensive image.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:35:33am |
Ok, so reading through the many pages of the preview of the book Kosher Jesus it becomes pretty clear where the author is coming from and what he is trying to accomplish.
Not very scholarly though, but that is clearly not his goal.
It's the old "Jesus was really a Pharisee and a sympathizer with the Zealots, and Paul was a fraud" argument.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:39:48am |
re: #411 Gus 802
Make sure to grab a snack while you're at it.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:40:45am |
re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth
Make sure to grab a snack while you're at it.
Cheese crackers and 70 miles away from Vegas. This fucking sucks! ;)
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researchok Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:42:17am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:43:31am |
re: #414 Gus 802
Just think how I feel when Gingrich starts talking about Paganism in relationship to gays. We're talking seriously stupid here.
I dunno, I like when researchok talks about Godless Heathens. /
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:45:51am |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:46:05am |
re: #408 Gus 802
The problem is staring right in front of us. People that believe in magical or supernatural thinking believe that through osmosis or what's commonly known as "prayer" will save our lives. But that's simply not true. There is no supernatural being that will save us. We have to save ourselves. Salvation is found through our own temporary consciousness. Through or cognitive selves and the wisdom of our predecessors. There is no magical way out of survival.
EXISTENTIALISM! ELEVENTY!!!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:52:31am |
re: #362 freetoken
It's an interesting development. The traditional Judaic thought until Haskala has been more or less that Jesus was an apostate (thus deserving the death by Sanhedrin, as described in the Talmud), and Maimonides went as far as saying "may his bones be ground to dust". The opposite of that was "Jews for Jesus", which, of course, is a Christian development but the one which, like Boteach, tries to put Jesus within the Judaic "stream".
This new book by Boteach seems like a watered down Jews for Jesus stance. But then, Boteach is sorta "pop-rabbi", so I'm not sure if it will be of any influence.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:53:24am |
re: #408 Gus 802
You have to remember though that it only looks like prayer is ineffectual and that our shit isn't taken care of by being/s in a supernatural dimension. It's designed that way so that we can demonstrate faith. God needs a LOT of reassurance, but not the easy kind you get by simply allowing your existence to known in the normal way.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:57:53am |
re: #439 Jimmah
You have to remember though that it only looks like prayer is ineffectual and that our shit isn't taken care of by being/s in a supernatural dimension. It's designed that way so that we can demonstrate faith. God needs a LOT of reassurance, but not the easy kind you get by simply allowing your existence to known in the normal way.
True. Believers don't affect my life. It will run it's course.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:05:20am |
re: #359 freetoken
Until Devolution passed in the 90's, Scotland did not even have the status of a State within the USA: it could not even levy or collect its own taxes. Everything was run by the Scottish Office in London.
But I believe that Scotland, like South Carolina, is too small to be a country and too big to be an insane asylum...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:06:16am |
re: #432 Slumbering Behemoth
He's on G-802. I'm on SB-112.
Otherwise known as...
I'm not really big on death metal, but I am nuts deep big on Death. May Chuck rest in peace.
Mysterious objects of flight on a voyage
To correct what they have done, what we are doingPerhaps submerged, living in the inner most
Recesses of the planet no choice but
To adapt to an underground worldLimiting our passages of thought
Are they the examples of regression
A life form's abusive progression
In a realm so vast, we sit among the vacant planetsSo many worlds yet to be seen that once have shared
The same effects that come from greed, mass productionPerhaps submerged, living in the inner most
Recesses of the planet no choice but
To adapt to an underground worldLimiting our passages of thought
Are they the examples of regression
A life form's abusive progression
In a realm so vast, we sit among the vacant planets
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:09:32am |
re: #442 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm not really big on death metal, but I am nuts deep big on Death. May Chuck rest in peace.
Yep. It's OK to talk about other people. But never talk about what other people are talking about other people. That's lame.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:12:23am |
re: #14 goddamnedfrank
Romney on the other hand, while being a stronger candidate than Newt against Obama in a one on one matchup, is more likely to generate a revolt. This is because the Tea Partiers, Freepers and So Cons may very well rebel en masse and back a hard right third party candidate if they don't get their way. Developmentally these people are equivalent to two year olds, prone to temper tantrums and fits of counter productive, unfocused rage.
That's the only hope. But I think Obama-hatred will still overcome their Romney-hatred.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:13:29am |
re: #438 Sergey Romanov
This new book by Boteach seems like a watered down Jews for Jesus stance.
It's just the opposite, in his view. He explicitly states that he is trying trying to counter the Jews for Jesus movement by flipping it around: Jesus for Jews.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:15:14am |
re: #446 Sergey Romanov
That's the only hope. But I think Obama-hatred will still overcome their Romney-hatred.
one cannot assume that irrational hatred will lead to a rational response.
If the base feels that it has had Romney foisted upon them by the Party establishment, they might well rebel, either passively, by not participating, or actively by fielding a "true conservative" third-party candidate.
They showed their ability to do just that in 2010 by nominating wingnuts like Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell over more moderate candadtes who at least stood a chance.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:16:36am |
re: #449 Gus 802
Nope. One of us is too drunk to get the subtext.
Shhh! That person just might be me
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:17:06am |
re: #448 freetoken
It's just the opposite, in his view. He explicitly states that he is trying trying to counter the Jews for Jesus movement by flipping it around: Jesus for Jews.
Yes, but the mode is really the same. I wonder if he addresses Klinghoffer's Why Jews rejected Jesus.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:19:30am |
re: #450 ralphieboy
All I can say is, let's hope this happens. But I won't be holding my breath.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:21:39am |
re: #453 Sergey Romanov
All I can say is, let's hope this happens. But I won't be holding my breath.
Just don't expect a consistent, rational across-the-board response. There are various levels and combinations of hatred for Obama, hatred for the "establishment" and just outright ideological wingnuttery to keep things very confusing until the final results are in.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:21:56am |
re: #452 Sergey Romanov
Yes, but the mode is really the same. I wonder if he addresses Klinghoffer's Why Jews rejected Jesus.
Don't know.
And yes, I do consider him cut from the same clothe as the Jews for Jesus folk. Both are trying to legitimize their beliefs by trying to get the most obvious detractors to their beliefs to be neutralized.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:23:58am |
re: #451 Slumbering Behemoth
Nope. One of us is too drunk to get the subtext.
Shhh! That person just might be me
Regardless. I am tapped out, and it's time for me to fuck off.
G'nite y'all.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:25:42am |
re: #455 freetoken
I guess we will see what happens. The exchanges gotta be fun to read.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:29:22am |
Thanks much Ice. I was watching Sandmonkey tonight. It's kind of sad that the "Fighting 101st" discarded him. But he lives on which is important.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:30:31am |
re: #455 freetoken
Thinking about it, I do like the idea of popularizing Jesus as a Jewish patriot. If only to see the traditionalist Christians with anti-Jewish attitudes squirm and try to rebut it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:32:52am |
re: #458 Gus 802
Thanks much Ice. I was watching Sandmonkey tonight. It's kind of sad that the "Fighting 101st" discarded him. But he lives on which is important.
Wait. Have the chickenhawks shat on Sandmonkey?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:33:07am |
re: #459 Sergey Romanov
Thinking about it, I do like the idea of popularizing Jesus as a Jewish patriot. If only to see the traditionalist Christians with anti-Jewish attitudes squirm and try to rebut it.
Jesus-as-a-Jew is a tetchy subject to a lot of people, and the Catholic Church especially likes to overlook how closely Christianity was linked to Judaism in its early stages.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:33:40am |
re: #462 ralphieboy
Jesus-as-a-Jew is a tetchy subject to a lot of people, and the Catholic Church especially likes to overlook how closely Christianity was linked to Judaism in its early stages.
Hey! That's why! Let Mel Gibson squirm :)
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:34:08am |
re: #461 Sergey Romanov
Wait. Have the chickenhawks shat on Sandmonkey?
I don't know. I really don't pay attention to the chickenlosers. I think that idiot Pamela Geller threw him under the bus last year. Or in 2010.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:34:47am |
re: #464 Gus 802
Ah, OK; that's right. I thought there were new developments.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:36:18am |
re: #465 Sergey Romanov
Ah, OK; that's right. I thought there were new developments.
Least of his worries. SM is actually walking the walk and talking the talk. He's still secular and rather opposed to the MB. Idiots like Geller don't even have to work to survive or make a real living.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:37:08am |
re: #439 Jimmah
You have to remember though that it only looks like prayer is ineffectual and that our shit isn't taken care of by being/s in a supernatural dimension. It's designed that way so that we can demonstrate faith. God needs a LOT of reassurance, but not the easy kind you get by simply allowing your existence to known in the normal way.
I don't have an issue with this. I have an issue with my belief in there not being a supernatural entity out there not being granted equal respect and toleration.
I generally keep out of the religious discussions since I don't have a dog in that fight (e.g. comparing religious practices.) Though I do ask questions about various doctrines out of curiosity or to get clarity about the context of a comment that has been made. And I treasure increasing my knowledge on these subjects since I think that helps my understanding of others.
Along with an understanding of digital watches. Which will then lead to an understanding of computers. etc. etc.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:42:28am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:58:33am |
Morning, all. Traveling in the Low-Connectivity Zone.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:04:20am |
This I gotta watch:
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:20:31am |
re: #471 Sergey Romanov
This I gotta watch:
[Video]
You mess with Putin at your own risk these days...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:33:26am |
re: #472 ralphieboy
You mess with Putin at your own risk these days...
These days aren't different from those days.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:53:21am |
re: #471 Sergey Romanov
This I gotta watch:
[Video]
From RT, no less:
[Link: rt.com...]
A documentary by Danish director Lise Birk Pedersen entitled Putin’s Kiss has won the Documentary Cinematography Award at this year’s Sundance Film Festival.
The film tells the story of Masha Drokova, a member of the Russian youth movement Nashi, which supports Vladimir Putin.
Once a devoted pro-Putin activist, Masha is famed for getting to kiss her idol on the cheek.
But then things go awry. Gradually changing her beliefs, Masha becomes friends with several opposition journalists, including Oleg Kashin, who was severely beaten up in November 2010.
Narrated by reporters, including Kashin himself, the documentary shows Putin as an antihero.
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BongCrodny Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:56:20am |
Apropos of nothing, but it gave me a smile this Sunday morning:
For one of my weekly trivia sheets I do for the pub I used to hang out at in northern Virginia, I thought I'd try to research a sheet on famous thieves, both real and fictional.
One of the sites I researched listed its version of the 10 most famous thieves in history:
1. Dismas and Gestas (the thieves crucified alongside of Christ)
2. Prometheus
3. Robin Hood
4. Blackbeard
5. Jesse James
6. "Babyface" Nelson
7. Bonnie and Clyde
8. Ma Barker
9. Dick Turpin
10. Francis Villon
...and below the list, an unrelated ad for Newt Gingrich.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:57:16am |
re: #475 BongCrodny
You missed Putin and his friends.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:15:22am |
re: #477 RogueOne
hej, мuффin
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:18:24am |
re: #473 Sergey Romanov
These days aren't different from those days.
The methods have changed a bit, and there are some things you can start to get away with, but not much more.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:20:24am |
re: #475 BongCrodny
You also forgot ACORN - for stealing the 2008 election for Obama...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:21:46am |
re: #477 RogueOne
Too bad you don't know Russian. I think you would love this song about Russian cops.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:32:15am |
re: #482 Sergey Romanov
Can't understand a word but it looks like they were having fun. It has an old school punk sound to it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:33:54am |
German GEMA will not let me watch it here. Got an alternative link?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:36:21am |
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:43:59am |
1950's gang members.
Pretty nifty.
[Link: flavorwire.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:44:38am |
This is another absurdist (documentary) clip probably worth watching. What you can meet on Russian roads.
"Comrade Medvedev":
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:46:05am |
re: #486 Obdicut
1950's gang members.
Pretty nifty.
[Link: flavorwire.com...]
absolutely iconic. you can really see that these people are living in the moment, as they are without past or future
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:49:20am |
And more reason why the GOP attempts to roll back domestic violence protection is fucking awful:
[Link: www.takepart.com...]
According to The American Humane Society, 71 percent of pet-owning females who enter women’s shelters reported that their batterer had injured, maimed, killed or threatened family pets for revenge or to psychologically control family members.
In this case:
The New York Daily News reports that the courageous dog threw himself on top of the woman as her boyfriend beat her mercilessly with both sides of a hammer. The dog leapt on top of the woman, an act of valor that caused him to suffer a broken hip, rib and other bones, before the man threw both woman and dog out a second story window.
The GOP in New Hampshire would prefer that a cop responding to that scene not be able to arrest the man on the spot, but instead go get a warrant, since they didn't see the crime.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:54:38am |
I just posted a page on Rick Santorum's daughter Isabella being admitted to CHOP (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia). [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Dire Straits Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:59:59am |
Can Cain say anything else but "9 9 9" to every question he is asked?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:02:34am |
re: #489 Obdicut
Dealing with domestic violence is often a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.
What we need are more cops who are better trained to recognize and deal with the situations they are confronted with.
But this does not fit in with the door-kicking, tasering-and-cuffing notion of what "police protection" means in many people's point of view.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:20:58am |
re: #489 Obdicut
Semi-related. Remember earlier in '11 when IN courts ruled citizens have no right to resist unlawful police entry? They're still fighting it out:
right-to-resist bill could limit ability of police to protect domestic violence victims, advocates say
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
A bill moving through the legislature gives residents limited rights to resist officers -- even with violent force -- and specifies several situations in which officers can enter a home. Supporters say the proposal sets out a clear line on what residents and officers can do and that officers would have authority to enter a home whenever they believe someone is in danger.
But the state Senate's decision to remove a provision that specifically allowed officers to enter a home while investigating suspected domestic violence has advocates worried.
.....
The bill that the Senate approved 45-5 this month would allow residents to resist if the police officer wasn't identified or on official duty. Officers would be allowed to enter homes when they have court warrants, are chasing a criminal suspect, believe someone inside is in danger or have permission from the residents.Republican Sen. Michael Young of Indianapolis, who sponsored the bill, said he believed the original provision allowing police entry for domestic violence investigations gave officers too much leeway unless they saw actual signs of violence.
He said officers could always request a court warrant to enter a home if they still believed it was necessary.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:25:38am |
re: #493 RogueOne
What a friggin' idiot.
But the state Senate's decision to remove a provision that specifically allowed officers to enter a home while investigating suspected domestic violence has advocates worried.
Duh.
The bill that the Senate approved 45-5 this month would allow residents to resist if the police officer wasn't identified or on official duty. Officers would be allowed to enter homes when they have court warrants, are chasing a criminal suspect, believe someone inside is in danger or have permission from the residents.
That's the whole point of the domestic violence provision.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:28:55am |
Morning all!
Brat Puppy was his bratty self at yesterday's dog show and didn't, as a result, do very well. Mom, me, is going to today's show to help keep him in line.
What are you doing?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:31:49am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:33:21am |
re: #493 RogueOne
Semi-related. Remember earlier in '11 when IN courts ruled citizens have no right to resist unlawful police entry? They're still fighting it out:
right-to-resist bill could limit ability of police to protect domestic violence victims, advocates say
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
Glad to see this one is still being fought/re-defined in the courts.
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Flounder Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:37:53am |
re: #490 PhillyPretzel
I'm getting a broken link at NBCPhili, but It could be me!! (on first cuppa)
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BongCrodny Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:40:10am |
re: #489 Obdicut
And more reason why the GOP attempts to roll back domestic violence protection is fucking awful:
[Link: www.takepart.com...]
In this case:
The GOP in New Hampshire would prefer that a cop responding to that scene not be able to arrest the man on the spot, but instead go get a warrant, since they didn't see the crime.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
My grandmother on my mother's side used to wear sunglasses all the time.
I remember how horrible I felt when I was finally old enough to understand why.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:40:26am |
Well have to get dressed in brat puppy proof clothing and get up North to the show.
Have a great day all!
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:47:40am |
re: #493 RogueOne
so we need a Second Amendment to insufe that our citizens are armed so they can defend themselves against a) criminal intruders and b) a tyrannical government but we are not allowed to resist police who are intruding illegally?
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Flounder Sun, Jan 29, 2012 6:55:48am |
OMG I made the perfect turkey spam cheese omelet, I better play the lottery today!
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:01:16am |
re: #8 windsagio
I just don't get hwat they're doing, endorsing a sure loser.
Let alone thinking he can beat romney, are these guys really so delusional that they think Newt can beat Obama?
Yes, yes they are. They genuinely believe that McCain lost in 2008 because he wasn't "conservative enough", when, in reality, his tendency toward the center (relative to other Republicans) is only reason he got as many votes as he did.
They, of course, think Sarah Palin was the reason he got as many votes as he did, whereas he probably would have done considerably better without her.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:03:48am |
re: #504 SidewaysQuark
These are people like Rick Santorum who believes that the "liberal sexual atmosphere of the 60's" led to priests abusing children.
And they still believe that taxing millionaires at a lower rate than the rest of us will create jobs.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:04:16am |
re: #502 ralphieboy
so we need a Second Amendment to insufe that our citizens are armed so they can defend themselves against a) criminal intruders and b) a tyrannical government but we are not allowed to resist police who are intruding illegally?
It's a tough call. After the supreme court ruling people flipped out and a large bi-partisan section of the legislature and the state atty general joined them but once you get into defining when people are allowed to keep officers out of their homes it starts getting a little sticky. In this case I might actually be in agreement with the prosecutors:
David Powell, executive director of the Indiana Prosecuting Attorneys Council, said the group believed the proposal should be simplified by specifying that residents are protected by the state's self-defense law if they resist police officers who are acting illegally -- rather than laying out situations for when police entry is right or wrong.
"When you make lists, that complicates it," Powell said. "Who wants to be left on, who wants to be left off?"
Not surprising to me is the fact that after this is all said and done nothing in the new wording would have changed the outcome of the original case. They just want to make it clear that contrary to the supreme courts ruling there are situations where slapping cops around in your home is legitimate behavior.
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Talking Point Detective Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:22:50am |
No discussion about the hundreds arrested in Oakland?
Somehow methinks that will change once Killgore signs on. I predict that the band wearing pink and black tutus and neon pink tights will get a mention.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:23:12am |
Occupy the Super Bowl off to rousing start:
Labor protestors march through Super Bowl Village in Indianapolis
[Link: www.cbssports.com...]
Indianapolis Education Association president Ann Wilkins told the crowd of about 75 protesters to remember which legislators voted for the right-to-work bill and vote them out in the November elections.
During the march on the Village, protesters chanted "Occupy the Super Bowl." Organizers of Saturday's event say that if Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels does sign the bill into law this week, the protests will likely continue.
Local coverage:
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
"We're going to occupy the Statehouse next week,'' said rally co-organizer Bill Mullen, a professor at Purdue University. "And we're prepared to occupy the Super Bowl a week from tomorrow. This campaign is not going to stop......
Saturday's speakers included Ann Wilkins with the Indianapolis Teachers Association, April Burke with Occupy Purdue, state Sen. Jean Breaux of Indianapolis and Jolivette Anderson of the Purdue Black Cultural Center.
Led by "Occupy Purdue: Most Boring Occupy Ever"
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:23:28am |
re: #507 Talking Point Detective
I predict that the band wearing pink and black tutus and neon pink tights will get a mention.
Well, since you mentioned it, it already has.
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Talking Point Detective Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:26:10am |
re: #490 PhillyPretzel
I just posted a page on Rick Santorum's daughter Isabella being admitted to CHOP (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia). [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I'm not inclined to give Santorum much credit for everything, but I have to give him credit on this issue. From what I've seen, he hasn't exploited his daughter's health for political expediency, and he's actually said some decent stuff on the issue.
"I look at the simplicity and love she emits," Santorum said in a web video his campaign released after his scheduling drew questions, "and it's clear to me we're the disabled ones."
I gotta give him props.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:31:13am |
re: #510 Talking Point Detective
In which way could he have exploited it? That wouldn't have obviously backfired?
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Talking Point Detective Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:41:43am |
re: #511 Sergey Romanov
In which way could he have exploited it? That wouldn't have obviously backfired?
I'm not too familiar with the situation with Palin - but my sense is that she exploited one of her children for political expediency.
It may have backfired with some people, but I suspect not with others, and the potential for backfire didn't prevent her from making an attempt.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:42:44am |
Hmm. Good news on the hot sauce front. We did some entries in the annual ZestFest down in Texas (Irving this year, used to be Ft Worth.) Company now has another Golden Chile for Best Steak Sauce, and two 2nd places (a chili recipe based on the hot sauce, a cornbread recipe using the bread and butter jalapenos.)
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:42:57am |
Santorum didn't appear at High Mass with video crews following him beforehand and afterwards. Taking advantage of personal misfortune both real and imagined is a long standing political tradition of misdirection. I still remember Ross Perot's complaint that the GOP was conspiring to ruin my daughter's wedding. See Nixon's Checkers speech.
So not a Santorum fan but I will nod in his general direction on this one.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:43:03am |
re: #512 Talking Point Detective
But she exploited it when the situation presented itself. There is no such situation with Santorum yet. So I won't give credit, since it's not due. It's not because I don't like Santorum either.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:44:13am |
re: #514 Olsonist
Santorum didn't appear at High Mass with video crews following him beforehand and afterwards.
He is not a fool and knows that this would have been immediately labeled as exploitation. And yes, I think he is smarter than Palin.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:45:53am |
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
Woman spent twenty years in jail because someone lied about the forensic evidence and the cops overlooked evidence of suicide.
Shitty.
That complaint continues: "There was evidence presented that shortly before his death, William was despondent and contemplated suicide. William had just learned that his employer was selling his business and the business would be moved out of Licking County. William was concerned that due to his poor work attendance, he would be fired. There was additional evidence presented that William had contemplated suicide.
Virginia testified at the trial that shortly after she filed for divorce, William prepared a poster indicating he would only live for a short period of time. He scrawled messages on mirrors for her to see, including: 'Roses are red, violets are blue, there is no way I can live without you.'"
The complaint then describes William's gruesome death, which the coroner's office attributed to amytriptyline poisoning. Virginia says that was incorrect, that he actually died of arsenic poisoning.
Virginia was arrested on Dec. 1, 1988, and convicted of aggravated murder in February 1990.
She served more than 20 years. She says in her complaint in Franklin County that her "wrongful conviction was based on false testimony provided by James Ferguson, the former Chief of Toxicology of Franklin County, Ohio who has since been convicted of falsification.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:46:34am |
re: #517 Obdicut
Nothing to see here, business as usual, no one to be punished, move along.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:49:07am |
re: #508 RogueOne
What a massively stupid thing to do: although the Superbowl is owned (and played to a large extent) by the 1%, it is still highly sacred to the 99% and there is nothing to be gained by making it the object of any sort of occupation.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:49:37am |
re: #518 Sergey Romanov
Twenty goddamn years. What a joke.
Then there's the lab in San Francisco that just made up lab results. Any investigation ever done of any forensic system has shown massive problems.
The court system is overburdened, the police are overburdened, and it is far too easy for corrupt or incompetent employees to just keep trucking along.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:52:05am |
re: #520 Obdicut
Yes. CSI forensics is a harmful myth.
At least she wasn't executed.
Of course, those who love them some death penalty won't be budged. Never happens.
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Talking Point Detective Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:53:45am |
re: #513 oaktree
Hmm. Good news on the hot sauce front. We did some entries in the annual ZestFest down in Texas (Irving this year, used to be Ft Worth.) Company now has another Golden Chile for Best Steak Sauce, and two 2nd places (a chili recipe based on the hot sauce, a cornbread recipe using the bread and butter jalapenos.)
gotta company link?
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:55:51am |
re: #519 ralphieboy
What a massively stupid thing to do: although the Superbowl is owned (and played to a large extent) by the 1%, it is still highly sacred to the 99% and there is nothing to be gained by making it the object of any sort of occupation.
It looks like it's all locals so I doubt it will ever get out of hand. They might do some marching around but I would bet they won't get into anything resembling harassing the super bowl crowd.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:57:09am |
re: #508 RogueOne
Occupy the Super Bowl off to rousing start:
Labor protestors march through Super Bowl Village in Indianapolis
[Link: www.cbssports.com...]Local coverage:
[Link: www.indystar.com...]Led by "Occupy Purdue: Most Boring Occupy Ever"
Occupy Oakland was much more lively last night...
Dozens arrested as Oakland police, Occupy protesters clash
Occupy protesters broke into Oakland City Hall, damaging displays and burning an American flag,...
Protesters tossed metal pipes, bottles and burning flares at Oakland police, who responded with tear gas, smoke grenades and bean bag bullets.
CNN video reports the protesters throwing "bleach bombs" at police and they broke into city hall and trashed a children's art exhibit.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:59:08am |
A sinister painting by Nazi monster Adolf Hitler is to go under the hammer for the first time since he painted it nearly 100 years ago.The brooding seascape - titled 'Nocturnal Sea' - is listed for sale by online auctioneers Darke in Slovakia is expected to sell for more than 10,000 GBP.
[Link: www.croatiantimes.com...]
It was sold today for 32K EUR.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:59:30am |
re: #522 Talking Point Detective
gotta company link?
[Link: www.chilestuff.com...]
But I expect that it outdated info and has other problems. Downside from my partner who does most of the work going cheap on the website. We're hoping to change that this year and get greater control of updating the content and fixing some of the on-line ordering issues.
Gah! Yea, the site is a bit out of date. FFC (Fiery Food Cookoff) info there is at least a year old. Business orientation has been away from on-line sales and more towards getting exposure in supermarket chains and distributors.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:02:28am |
re: #524 Killgore Trout
Occupy Oakland was much more lively last night...
You can't get much different from Oakland than W. Lafayette, IN...
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:11:23am |
Indiana's version of the drug testing welfare patients now includes legislators:
Drug Testing of Legislators
[Link: www.masson.us...]
Rep. Dvorak’s amendment to Rep. McMillin’s HB 1007 passed during second reading by a vote of 54 – 41 (with 4 excused and 1 not voting). It is an amendment to HB 1007 which provides for a test program whereby welfare recipients would be required to submit to and pass drug tests as a condition to receiving public benefits.
Apparently running with the notion that taxpayer dollars shouldn’t go to abusers of drugs and alcohol, Rep. Dvorak’s amendment requires legislators to submit to drug tests and a random breathalyzer test. They would have to reimburse the legislative council for the costs of these tests. If the legislator refused or failed the test, he or she would be subject to discipline or an assessed penalty by his or her chamber.
I’m hearing that, with this amendment, Rep. McMillin is no longer so enthusiastic about the bill and will not be moving it forward.
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Meitantei Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:11:51am |
Just completely off-topic:
If the Paul people weren't annoying enough with their people, I really can't stand how in front of every Youtube video I try to watch, they have some 13-minute long ad in front of it. Even if we can skip it, I mean, 13 minutes? Really?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:13:11am |
re: #529 Meitantei
Just completely off-topic:
If the Paul people weren't annoying enough with their people, I really can't stand how in front of every Youtube video I try to watch, they have some 13-minute long ad in front of it. Even if we can skip it, I mean, 13 minutes? Really?
Hey, these ads don't pay for themselves!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:13:52am |
re: #529 Meitantei
Just completely off-topic:
If the Paul people weren't annoying enough with their people, I really can't stand how in front of every Youtube video I try to watch, they have some 13-minute long ad in front of it. Even if we can skip it, I mean, 13 minutes? Really?
I've notice youtube ads are getting longer. I've seen them up to 6-7 minutes long recently.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:16:06am |
Can we question their patriotism yet?
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
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Meitantei Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:17:21am |
re: #531 Killgore Trout
I've seen a few, true. But 13 minutes? And like I said, it's in front of every stinking video. A video on whiskey? It's there. A video showing cutscenes from MW2? It's there. A video showing a Blake Griffin highlight? It's there.
I know I'm probably ranting, but jeez. Paul people don't seem to understand that people don't like spamming. I
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:18:50am |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:20:22am |
re: #533 Meitantei
I've seen a few, true. But 13 minutes? And like I said, it's in front of every stinking video. A video on whiskey? It's there. A video showing cutscenes from MW2? It's there. A video showing a Blake Griffin highlight? It's there.
I know I'm probably ranting, but jeez. Paul people don't seem to understand that people don't like spamming. I
Can you give an example of a 14-minute ad?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:25:14am |
PATRIOTISM, n.
Combustible rubbish ready to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name.
In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
A. Bierce.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:27:22am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:28:12am |
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:29:17am |
re: #537 Sergey Romanov
I think the dude burning the flag is probably not patriotic; he's probably an anarchist, by the look of him, though who knows what his real convictions are. I know people who would be insulted if you called them patriots, since they don't believe in the very concept of nations.
Patriotism can be a positive attribute, but it's something better demonstrated than claimed-- and the absence of it is not troubling except when coupled with hypocrisy or other assholishness, as Bierce and Johnson well knew.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:31:19am |
re: #540 Obdicut
Agreed. Patriotism sometimes can be a positive attribute. And it's not a necessary attribute.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:33:10am |
re: #541 Sergey Romanov
Agreed. Patriotism sometimes can be a positive attribute. And it's not a necessary attribute.
(Good thing I will never be a politician.)
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:33:48am |
re: #524 Killgore Trout
Occupy Oakland was much more lively last night...
Dozens arrested as Oakland police, Occupy protesters clashCNN video reports the protesters throwing "bleach bombs" at police and they broke into city hall and trashed a children's art exhibit.
Democrat politicians need to learn a lesson from the recent failure of the Republican Party and actively condemn and distance themselves from these lunatics.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:33:52am |
The problem with being 'patriotic' is that people like Bachmann think they're very patriotic, all while they're undermining what makes the US the US.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:34:54am |
re: #544 Obdicut
I couldn't care less whether a person is patriotic. Is he or she a good person?
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:39:03am |
re: #545 Sergey Romanov
The only people I care about the patriotism of are those granted power by the country they belong to.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:39:37am |
re: #544 Obdicut
The problem with being 'patriotic' is that people like Bachmann think they're very patriotic, all while they're undermining what makes the US the US.
No they aren't, silly. They're Restoring Honor and Taking Our Country Back.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:41:37am |
re: #546 Obdicut
The only people I care about the patriotism of are those granted power by the country they belong to.
But then the question arises of what exactly is patriotism. I don't care if Putin is patriotic in the slightest. (He certainly is.) I will take a liberal non-patriot over that patriot any day.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:41:40am |
re: #545 Sergey Romanov
I couldn't care less whether a person is patriotic. Is he or she a good person?
I haven't seen the inside of a classroom for decades, but there was a time when American schoolkids were taught (relentlessly) that you can't be one without being the other as well.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:44:07am |
re: #548 Sergey Romanov
Sure. It's not the only thing to make a judgement about. I'm not saying those who lack patriotism should always be kept from power. But those who lack patriotism, possess overweening ambition, and lack morals-- yeah, I'll pass, no matter how competent they are.
Aaron Burr springs to mind.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:45:34am |
re: #550 Obdicut
Besides, since it's so easy to pretend to be patriotic, you won't know whether the person is patriotic or not until they act in a non-symbolic way anyway. And if they act badly, I don't care if they're patriotic or not, they don't qualify.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:46:03am |
re: #551 Sergey Romanov
Right. I'm not talking about professing patriotism, but demonstrating it-- or the lack of it.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:46:53am |
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:48:50am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:49:01am |
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:49:51am |
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:50:51am |
Keep the football yappy to a minimum. I'd prefer you talk about a real sport such as golf.
Regards,
Fair Weather Football Fan
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:51:29am |
For example, admitting the historical faults of your country is more often than not considered unpatriotic. But one can do that, and still be devoted to the goal of bettering the country, as the place where you live. I know some will call this patriotism, but many won't find it sufficient. Which is why I don't care about the label in question.
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Gus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:54:17am |
Sorry about all my yammering this morning. Yammering away a mile a minute or so it seemed. I know that's the medium of the internet. Now if you'll excuse me I need to find my brain. //
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:54:46am |
re: #560 Gus 802
Twitter mode?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:57:03am |
re: #559 Sergey Romanov
For example, admitting the historical faults of your country is more often than not considered unpatriotic. But one can do that, and still be devoted to the goal of bettering the country, as the place where you live. I know some will call this patriotism, but many won't find it sufficient. Which is why I don't care about the label in question.
It so often used as a label for silencing criticism or slandering opponents that its usefulness as a term has waned over the years. To the point that if someone is using it there is reason to view what they are saying with a bit of suspicion.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:57:55am |
Wow. $40k in purchase orders done overnight on the weekend. The boss should give me a raise. But I'm the boss and I can't afford it. So how about you just accept this pat on the back and knowledge that you won't get fired in the near future as a bonus.
Here, have a cup of coffee.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:58:53am |
re: #558 BigPapa
Keep the football yappy to a minimum. I'd prefer you talk about a real sport such as golf.
Regards,
Fair Weather Football Fan
I think professional bowlers should be required to chain smoke and consume at least a pitcher of beer during each game.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 8:59:31am |
re: #563 oaktree
That too. I mean, Samuel Johnson was writing in 18th century, and by that time the term already had a lot of baggage.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:01:06am |
re: #564 BigPapa
I just had the same conversation with my employee.
I have like three months of solid 12 hour+ days to work, 7 days a week, and since I bill net 30 I'm still pretty skint at the moment.
I've promised myself at the end of all this lurch I will give myself the treat of a hangover. I like hangovers. They remind you of mortality. I like getting into a hot bath with a hangover and falling asleep.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:01:19am |
The Brits interview Kermit and Miss Piggy and Fox News comes up.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:03:02am |
re: #566 Sergey Romanov
That too. I mean, Samuel Johnson was writing in 18th century, and by that time the term already had a lot of baggage.
All sort of terms pick up and lose baggage through time and across cultures. That's part of what makes reading history interesting in how ideas, concepts, and terminology develop and evolve.
And it varies by culture. Does "defeatist" carry additional negative connotation in Russian and German culture due to its political usage in the past?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:04:00am |
re: #569 darthstar
The Brits interview Kermit and Miss Piggy and Fox News comes up.
[Video]
Did Santorum ever issue a statement about what he felt about pig and frog relationships?
//
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:04:22am |
re: #524 Killgore Trout
Occupy Oakland was much more lively last night...
Dozens arrested as Oakland police, Occupy protesters clashCNN video reports the protesters throwing "bleach bombs" at police and they broke into city hall and trashed a children's art exhibit.
But it was only 300!
/
...Protesters tossed metal pipes, bottles and burning flares at Oakland police, who responded with tear gas, smoke grenades and bean bag bullets.
...Three police officers and one protester were wounded in the clashes, city and police officials said.
...Quan said trash cans were overturned, flags in the building were burned, a children's recycled art exhibit was destroyed and a historic model of city hall was overturned.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:04:28am |
re: #570 oaktree
Well, I would think defeatism is probably thought of negatively pretty much everywhere.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:04:52am |
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:05:41am |
Funny you're talking about that. Me and a few buddies subverted the old 'Obama won't put his hand on his heart' nontroversy post on Facebook yesterday, miring it down in mockery and sarcasm.
Wingut
Based on the past 3 years, I think he's completely out of touch with our nation's identity and her people. That being said, I think most members of Congress are too... it's time to clean house.
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Non-Wingnut
Ill bet that when he does wear an American flag lapel pin its stamped "made in china" on the back.
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Me
Ya know... I think he's facing Mecca there.
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Wingnut
He's too busy apologizing for us.
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Me
The US has never made a mistake or done anything wrong. But if it did... it would be Wuss to the Nth to admit it. Better to just not even admit any wrong because our enemas will just hate us more.
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Sarcasm Buddy
And they certainly don't need any other reasons to hate us. They already hate us because of our freedom
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They hate us because we're never wrong and don't ever have to apologize.
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Sarcasm Buddy
Apologizing for things we never did helps to strengthen our opponents and gives them even more reason to hate us.
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Other buddy
Were Americans. We will apologize when we run out of nukes.
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BigPapa, I didn't know we had enemas.... although our enemies are a pain in our asses
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Me
The enema within
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No more comments on the thread. Too bad, we were just getting warmed up.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:05:55am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
Can we question their patriotism yet?
[Link: news.daylife.com...]
At least they didn't shit on it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:08:05am |
re: #575 BigPapa
Oh yeah, and the flag pin. If you don't wear the flag pin, you're not patriotic. Exactly.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:08:52am |
re: #577 Sergey Romanov
Oh yeah, and the flag pin. If you don't wear the flag pin, you're not patriotic. Exactly.
Boehner didn't wear one during the SOTU.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:09:11am |
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:09:29am |
re: #578 darthstar
Boehner didn't wear one during the SOTU.
He's a Republican. The rules are different then.
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:09:46am |
Okay...time to move on and do something with my day.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:10:27am |
re: #578 darthstar
Boehner didn't wear one during the SOTU.
It was actually a flag piercing and he didn't want to show it.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:11:19am |
re: #577 Sergey Romanov
Oh yeah, and the flag pin. If you don't wear the flag pin, you're not patriotic. Exactly.
Not wearing a flag pin + not putting your hand over your heart during the National Anthem = hating America.
By that standard, I hate American too. Because of it's freedoms. And stuff.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:11:44am |
re: #573 Sergey Romanov
Well, I would think defeatism is probably thought of negatively pretty much everywhere.
Yes. But there is historical usage where the term was used to railroad political opponents (or protesters). Also as a response when a honest underling reports a reality that does not jive with the leader's viewpoint and desires. (WW2 in this case, after certain realities were reported about the Eastern Front.)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:13:40am |
Burn a flag, no biggie to me
(as long as it was yours and not confiscated from someone/ place else)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:14:08am |
re: #583 BigPapa
Not wearing a flag pin + not putting your hand over your heart during the National Anthem = hating America.
By that standard, I hate American too. Because of it's freedoms. And stuff.
Even you question your patriotism.///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:14:34am |
re: #585 sattv4u2
Burn a flag, no biggie to me
(as long as it was yours and not confiscated from someone/ place else)
America-hater.
/
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:16:51am |
I take exception with your exceptions to my American Exceptionalismz.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:17:41am |
re: #588 BigPapa
I take exception with your exceptions to my American Exceptionalismz.
I think that's a telling example of your defeatism.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:18:48am |
So much unpatriotic subversiveness today here. I can almost hear gnashing of teeth. /
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:19:15am |
Topless Protestors Arrested in Davos [Video]
Three topless women were arrested outside the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland today for trying to scale the wall into the meeting. The meeting is comprised of the CEO’s of several global corporations and political leaders who help determine world economic policies.
With temperatures approaching zero, the women took off their tops and had several messages written across their torsos.
“Crisis! Made in Davos,” “Poor, because of you” and “Gangsters party in Davos.” the women’s bodies said.
I think this warrants a complete and full investigation!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:21:05am |
re: #590 Sergey Romanov
So much unpatriotic subversiveness today here. I can almost hear gnashing of teeth. /
Nahh ,, I had beans for dinner last night
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:21:38am |
re: #591 NJDhockeyfan
Topless Protestors Arrested in Davos [Video]
I think this warrants a complete and full investigation!
We did that yesterday. All photos and videos were carefully analyzed. /
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:23:36am |
re: #593 Sergey Romanov
We did that yesterday. All photos and videos were carefully analyzed. /
I think I should conduct a hands on investigation
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:24:43am |
re: #594 sattv4u2
I think I should conduct a hands on investigation
Examining sexism in protester investigations?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:27:01am |
Koskidz:where is Obama as police brutalize citizens?
Outrageous!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:28:06am |
re: #595 oaktree
Examining sexism in protester investigations?
Nahh ,,, just me being a dirty ole man~!!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:28:52am |
re: #596 Killgore Trout
Koskidz:where is Obama as police brutalize citizens?
Outrageous!
I wish Kos would stop obsessing about Obama!
/
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:32:10am |
re: #599 Lidane
Patriotism!
Jeffrey Kuhner Calls for 'Civil Disobedience' to Combat Obama's 'Repressive State'
Maybe he can recruit the OWS protesters.
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jaunte Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:32:49am |
Dowd Report, on Jan Brewer and the President:
Alliteration Alert at the Airport
"I tamed Hillary Clinton, I can take you too."
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:34:17am |
re: #596 Killgore Trout
Koskidz:where is Obama as police brutalize citizens?
Outrageous!
Heh.
Here's another one on the recommended list...
ALL HOLY HELL HAS BROKEN OUT IN OAKLAND. Many Updates.
Mass arrests of peaceful protesters by the Oakland Police, kettling them and then ordering them to disperse with nowhere to go, then announcing that they have all been arrested.
Peaceful protesters?
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:38:34am |
Quick! Hide under your desks! The Commies are coming!
Schlafly and Noebel: McCarthy was a 'Hero,' Communism Nearly Upon Us
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jaunte Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:39:19am |
re: #599 Lidane
“the pill and the condom are the hammer and sickle of cultural Marxism.”
...
The Obama administration is eroding the First Amendment, assaulting the conscience rights and religious liberties of Catholics and waging a relentless campaign to destroy America’s Judeo-Christian values. Catholics must engage in civil disobedience. Otherwise, Mr. Obama will succeed in dismantling our republic. Today, he is coming for us. Tomorrow, it will be you.
I don't think we'll be seeing Kuhner being arrested in Walgreens taking a scissor to the condom display. That's for the little people.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:39:25am |
re: #604 Lidane
Quick! Hide under your desks! The Commies are coming!
Schlafly and Noebel: McCarthy was a 'Hero,' Communism Nearly Upon Us
Sounds like a set of defeatists!
/
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:42:26am |
re: #603 NJDhockeyfan
Heh.
Here's another one on the recommended list...
ALL HOLY HELL HAS BROKEN OUT IN OAKLAND. Many Updates.
Peaceful protesters?
I just can't wrap my head around the mentality. Protesters attacking police, attempting to steal properties, breaking into city hall and trashing the place. This stuff just isn't legal and nobody's allowed to do these things. It's a no brainer.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:43:22am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
Yes. Because every person there was automatically attacking the police, trying to steal things, or trashing city hall. Really.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:45:12am |
re: #609 Lidane
Yes. Because every person there was automatically attacking the police, trying to steal things, or trashing city hall. Really.
Every person wasn't. But enough persons were, and this happens often lately. So denying hijacking of OWS by extremists is just unrealistic.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:46:54am |
re: #610 Sergey Romanov
So denying hijacking of OWS by extremists is just unrealistic.
Also unrealistic: Using OWS to destroy the valid issue of income inequality by pretending that only extremists care about these things.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:47:11am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
I just can't wrap my head around the mentality. Protesters attacking police, attempting to steal properties, breaking into city hall and trashing the place. This stuff just isn't legal and nobody's allowed to do these things. It's a no brainer.
That's probably because you're not taking into account Oakland's problems of the last few years before OWS.
OWS was more gas on the fire.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:48:24am |
re: #612 BigPapa
That's probably because you're not taking into account Oakland's problems of the last few years before OWS.
OWS was more gas on the fire.
Context? What's that? The only context anyone needs is that OWS was there.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:49:24am |
re: #611 Lidane
Also unrealistic: Using OWS to destroy the valid issue of income inequality by pretending that only extremists care about these things.
True. But legit protest needs another brand. There's no way around it.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:50:33am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
I just can't wrap my head around the mentality. Protesters attacking police, attempting to steal properties, breaking into city hall and trashing the place. This stuff just isn't legal and nobody's allowed to do these things. It's a no brainer.
1) Oakland has long been the most violent of the OWS.
2) Riots are stupid, regardless.
that said...
3) Oakland police have had a reputation - in other protests, not OWS - of being rather violent and lawless themselves. Enough that the claims "they shot first" can't be dismissed just because it's the police and their arrestees.
Of course this won't phase you. All the OWS are, from what you've said, violent criminals whose actions defeat their message and hinder any potential allies. Yep, they're wrong and that's all there is to it. ///
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labman57 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:52:40am |
So Palin and Cain, two major political posers, have endorsed the Newt. Excellent.
The longer Gingrich stays in the race, the more dirt he and Romney will dig up about each other, convincing even more moderates and independents that neither is worthy of becoming POTUS.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:53:31am |
re: #616 labman57
The longer Gingrich stays in the race, the more dirt he and Romney will dig up about each other, convincing even more moderates and independents that neither is worthy of becoming POTUS.
You could almost believe there was some sort of leftist conspiracy behind it...
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:54:24am |
re: #614 Sergey Romanov
True. But legit protest needs another brand. There's no way around it.
People said the same thing back during the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements. Let's face it, though -- OWS got the issue of income inequality in the presidential election, to the point where all the candidates are using their language. That's huge.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:56:00am |
re: #617 ralphieboy
You could almost believe there was some sort of leftist conspiracy behind it...
I've seen threads over on Freeper-land where they're convinced that Soros is behind Mitt Romney's campaign because he was quoted as saying that there's not much difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. I laughed.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:56:19am |
re: #618 Lidane
People said the same thing back during the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements. Let's face it, though -- OWS got the issue of income inequality in the presidential election, to the point where all the candidates are using their language. That's huge.
The problem is that OWS moved on to freeing Manning and occupying AIPAC. It's not my fault they didn't stay on message.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:57:01am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
I just can't wrap my head around the mentality. Protesters attacking police, attempting to steal properties, breaking into city hall and trashing the place. This stuff just isn't legal and nobody's allowed to do these things. It's a no brainer.
That's because you aren't a moonbat. That is a blessing.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:57:53am |
re: #609 Lidane
Yes. Because every person there was automatically attacking the police, trying to steal things, or trashing city hall. Really.
Not all of them, just 300. Just like the Tea Party rallies.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:58:24am |
re: #613 Lidane
Context? What's that? The only context anyone needs is that OWS was there.
///
So if OWS wasn't there, there still would have been teargas, flag burnings and arrests!?!?
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:59:16am |
re: #623 sattv4u2
So if OWS wasn't there, there still would have been teargas, flag burnings and arrests!?!?
It's Oakland, so there's a good chance of that, yes.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:59:20am |
re: #620 Sergey Romanov
The problem is that OWS moved on to freeing Manning and occupying AIPAC. It's not my fault they didn't stay on message.
YOU were supposed to send out the memo!!!
/
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 9:59:59am |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:00:40am |
re: #623 sattv4u2
So if OWS wasn't there, there still would have been teargas, flag burnings and arrests!?!?
Of course, the OWS protesters were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Coulda happened to anyone.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:00:57am |
re: #628 NJDhockeyfan
Of course, the OWS protesters were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Coulda happened to anyone.
Silly Yutes
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:01:17am |
re: #620 Sergey Romanov
The problem is that OWS moved on to freeing Manning and occupying AIPAC. It's not my fault they didn't stay on message.
Because Occupy has been a monolithic organization from the start, with a single hierarchy setting the tone and message.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:01:51am |
In every popular movement there are extremist outliers from the beginning. Until they reach some sort of a critical mass, it's unfair to tarnish the whole movement with the deeds of a few. I think nuttiness in OWS has reached the critical mass some time ago.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:02:13am |
re: #630 Lidane
Because Occupy has been a monolithic organization from the start, with a single hierarchy setting the tone and message.
No, it hasn't been.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:03:12am |
re: #632 Sergey Romanov
No, it hasn't been.
I think that was sarc, because it obviously hasn't been...
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:03:50am |
re: #620 Sergey Romanov
The problem is that OWS moved on to freeing Manning and occupying AIPAC. It's not my fault they didn't stay on message.
The problem is that OWS has no real leaders. No one to speak for them. Did OWS really condone free Manning, or did code pink and a few other anti war groups?
The Occupy strategy was flawed from the beginning. It allowed anyone and everyone to speak for them. Now that the peaceful group has dispersed, the radicals have pretty much taken over. Yes, there are still real protesters with real concerns, but the message and the movement has been co-opted.
That said, I do think the initial message of money in politics and income inequality has had an effect.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:04:59am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:08:15am |
re: #634 blueraven
Critical mass. Each separate happenstance can be explained away. Loony antisemite with a site full of conspiracy theories as a main organizer of an occupy event? Well, maybe they didn't google him. People trash things in Oakland? Well, that's Oakland. Norman Finkelstein speaks to occupy? Well, maybe people don't know what he writes on his site. Etc., etc.
Together? No, thanks.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:09:22am |
Oh shit...
Santorum Cancels Florida Events to Spend Time With Hospitalized Daughter
ARCADIA, Fla. — Rick Santorum will not appear at any of his Florida campaign stops today, instead staying with his family and youngest daughter Isabella, who was admitted into a Philadelphia hospital Saturday evening.
“Due to the heath of his youngest daughter Bella, Rick Santorum will remain with his family today,” Santorum campaign spokesman Hogan Gidley said in a statement today. “However, the campaign will resume the following Florida schedule using surrogates. Rick himself intends to return to Florida and resume the campaign schedule as soon as is possible.”
The 3-year-old, whom the family calls Bella or Boo, suffers from the rare and serious genetic condition Trisomy 18, which kills about 90 percent of children before or during birth. She is at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, where she is regularly treated.
I don't know I would handle it if my child went through something like that.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:09:28am |
re: #634 blueraven
The Occupy strategy was flawed from the beginning. It allowed anyone and everyone to speak for them. Now that the peaceful group has dispersed, the radicals have pretty much taken over. Yes, there are still real protesters with real concerns, but the message and the movement has been co-opted.
Which makes it that much easier to paint anyone who might give the issues of income inequality and money in politics any credence as a violent, rapey stabbey extremist that attacks cops and shits in public.
That's why posts about OWS are tiresome. There are real issues to talk about, but when the focus is solely on the radicals, the issues get buried.
That said, I do think the initial message of money in politics and income inequality has had an effect.
All of the current candidates are using OWS language to frame their talking points. That's not a small thing.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:10:18am |
I'll add a little context to Oakland as I look down from the 8th floor at Lake Merritt.
An alternative pronunciation to Occupy Oakland is police overtime. Oakland police get paid $150,000/yr average plus generous benefits plus OVERTIME for a high school degree. Average wage in Oakland is $50,000 so that's 3 times the average wage if you're doing the math at home. Starting salary for Contra Costa County Deputy Assistant DAs is $70,000 which of course requires bachelors and law degrees.
Since the beginning of Occupy Oakland the police have been over responding. I've been to Frank Ogawa Plaza and the police are just yucking it up. Really, anarchists are fun to beat up on cuz who is gonna stand up for anarchists?
Oakland will become like Vallejo, squeezed dry by its public safety unions. Few of these police live in Oakland.
Yes, I live in Oakland. Yes, I vote in Oakland. Yes, I pay property taxes in Oakland. And yes, that gives me an informed opinion about Occupy Oakland and the OPD.
BTW, I used to live in San Francisco and I used to ride Critical Mass with the police. It was a kick to peddle along with a cop on a mountain bike with a .45. Loved it. Until Willie Brown needed a bogey man for re-election. They found a problem with those anarchists, that'd be me, and lined the fucking streets, shoulder to shoulder with every cop and CHP officer they could find. Willie had been CA Speaker of the House and called in a few chits.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:11:46am |
re: #634 blueraven
The problem is that OWS has no real leaders. No one to speak for them. Did OWS really condone free Manning, or did code pink and a few other anti war groups?
The Occupy strategy was flawed from the beginning. It allowed anyone and everyone to speak for them. Now that the peaceful group has dispersed, the radicals have pretty much taken over. Yes, there are still real protesters with real concerns, but the message and the movement has been co-opted.
That said, I do think the initial message of money in politics and income inequality has had an effect.
Not sure it was flawed. It depends on what the intent was.
If the intent was to build a groundswell of awareness and support, it wasn't flawed. That it also built a vocal opposition was inevitable.
If the intent was to force the subject into the national conversation even when OWS wasn't there, it succeeded. Romney's had to address it, as has Gingrich. Obama's referenced the subject. The subject of inequality is no longer an ignored elephant in the living room; everyone knows it's there and most are willing to talk about it.
If the intent was to actually cause a change... wasn't going to happen. seriously, I can think of no action the various participants could have taken to have had such an impact by this point in time.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:13:23am |
re: #637 NJDhockeyfan
Oh shit...
Santorum Cancels Florida Events to Spend Time With Hospitalized Daughter
I don't know I would handle it if my child went through something like that.
I can't stand Santorum, but I wouldn't wish harm on his kids. I wish that little girl well.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:13:49am |
re: #636 Sergey Romanov
To be sure, I'm only speaking about the last stages of OWS.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:14:59am |
re: #638 Lidane
That's why posts about OWS are tiresome. There are real issues to talk about, but when the focus is solely on the radicals, the issues get buried.
OWS is a talking point to change the discussion to other things a few closet conservatives want to talk about. Make OWS about retard moonbats and you don't have to talk about the ginourmous backwards ignorance coming from the GOP.
This incessant focus on OWS is nothing more than passive aggressive defense of the Tea Party and conservatism by a few lizards. It can't be any more obvious. Objective analysis or discussion of OWS or the issues specific to OWS are not the intent.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:15:06am |
Magazine Calls Occupiers To Come To Chicago In ‘Tradition of’ 1968 Rioters
Adbusters, the radical, Vancouver-based anti-consumerist magazine, credited by many media outlets for launching the Occupy Wall Street protests, has put out an ad calling for 50,000 protestors to “Occupy” the G8 summit in May.
The Adbusters ad shows a picture of policemen beating up a defenseless protestor, and comes with the caption: “In the Tradition of the Chicago 8.” The Chicago 8 were radicals who incited riots in Chicago during the 1968 Democratic convention. The 1968 convention unrest became so legendary that the band Crosby, Stills, Nash (and Young) wrote a song about it called “Chicago.” The “tradition” of the Chicago 8 included calling for displays of public fornication and attacking police.
According to the official statement of Adbusters (titled Tactical Briefing #25), “On May 1, 50,000 people from all over the world will flock to Chicago, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and #OCCUPYCHICAGO for a month. With a bit of luck, we’ll pull off the biggest multinational occupation of a summit meeting the world has ever seen.”
The ad threatens to shut down the economy if their demands are not met: “And if they don’t listen … if they ignore us and put our demands on the back burner like they’ve done so many times before … then, with Gandhian ferocity, we’ll flashmob the streets, shut down stock exchanges, campuses, corporate headquarters and cities across the globe … we’ll make the price of doing business as usual too much to bear.”
So the same group that called for the Occupy Wall Street protests in the first place is now calling for protestors to shut down the entire economic system of a city if their demands are not met, in the tradition of people who brought us the 1968 Democratic convention riots.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:15:47am |
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:17:37am |
re: #640 kirkspencer
Not sure it was flawed. It depends on what the intent was.
If the intent was to build a groundswell of awareness and support, it wasn't flawed. That it also built a vocal opposition was inevitable.
If the intent was to force the subject into the national conversation even when OWS wasn't there, it succeeded. Romney's had to address it, as has Gingrich. Obama's referenced the subject. The subject of inequality is no longer an ignored elephant in the living room; everyone knows it's there and most are willing to talk about it.
If the intent was to actually cause a change... wasn't going to happen. seriously, I can think of no action the various participants could have taken to have had such an impact by this point in time.
It was certainly flawed if it allowed anarchist to take over. As far as intent...the road to hell and all that.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:20:02am |
re: #644 BigPapa
This incessant focus on OWS is nothing more than passive aggressive defense of the Tea Party and conservatism by a few lizards
One large problem with your hypotheses there, Professor
The same person thats focusing on the ills of OWS is the same one that exposed those of the Tea Party
AND ,, heaven forbid that there's a few {shudder} conservatives about!
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:20:10am |
re: #644 BigPapa
Make OWS about retard moonbats and you don't have to talk about the ginourmous backwards ignorance coming from the GOP.
Pretty much, yeah. And I've noticed that posts about OWS tend to happen a lot faster in threads about some sort of blatant GOP idiocy. It's like an all-purpose Magical Balance Fairy or something.
This incessant focus on OWS is nothing more than passive aggressive defense of the Tea Party and conservatism by a few lizards. It can't be any more obvious. Objective analysis or discussion of OWS or the issues specific to OWS are not the intent.
That too. Why talk about all these uncomfortable ideas when it's easier to point at a story about Adbusters or some douchebag taking a shit in public?
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SpaceJesus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:20:33am |
this has been bothering me for so long
[Link: andreawoo.wordpress.com...]
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:23:45am |
re: #651 darthstar
I used to have a link of a running total how many millions he's raised for cancer research
Mind boggling
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:25:57am |
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:28:18am |
re: #648 sattv4u2
This incessant focus on OWS is nothing more than passive aggressive defense of the Tea Party and conservatism by a few lizards
One large problem with your hypotheses there, Professor
The same person thats focusing on the ills of OWS is the same one that exposed those of the Tea Party
AND ,, heaven forbid that there's a few {shudder} conservatives about!
Funny you respond in a statement about passive aggressiveness... with passive aggressiveness.
Then you misinterpret was said, as if I'm complaining that there are conservatives here at all. I am not.
But your credit given this person that objectively criticized the Tea Party and is doing the same for OWS is duly noted.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:29:35am |
re: #654 BigPapa
You were doing much better when you were trying to call a "trio" here names
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:29:49am |
re: #653 sattv4u2
re: #652 sattv4u2
oh ,, and btw ,, Tebow has done a lot for charities since he was in high school, and I expect now with an NFL contract he'll do a lot more
Ya know, I still can't get the hate thrown toward Tebow since he made the NFL. He's just a fucking football player who is pretty good at it.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:33:09am |
re: #655 sattv4u2
You were doing much better when you were trying to call a "trio" here names
I didn't try, I did say Trio of Derp.
I stand by the statement. I regret the assessment of KT. You, I don't. It's pretty clear the point is to get your rocks off making fun of moonbats and concern trolling over OWS. That's what the record shows.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:36:33am |
re: #656 NJDhockeyfan
Ya know, I still can't get the hate thrown toward Tebow since he made the NFL. He's just a fucking football player who is pretty good at it.
His mother refused an abortion when she suffered a placental abruption. Not only was she one of the 0.1% who survived the subsequent pregnancy, her child beat even longer odds to be born alive. Functionally if not literally a miracle.
They (his mother and himself) have used his NFL fame as a springboard to argue that their beating of those long odds means abortion should be banned. "All you need is enough faith and God will help you."
That's the reason. It's not his position or his ability, it's the ancillary use he makes of the position and ability. Since he made the link, he has no basis for complaint when the link goes both ways.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:36:49am |
re: #658 BigPapa
I didn't try, I did say Trio of Derp.
I stand by the statement. I regret the assessment of KT. You, I don't. It's pretty clear the point is to get your rocks off making fun of moonbats and concern trolling over OWS. That's what the record shows.
Is it too late to go back and amend #626 to show a Duo of Derp?
There's the added bonus of it being alliterative! .
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:39:41am |
re: #659 kirkspencer
His mother refused an abortion when she suffered a placental abruption. Not only was she one of the 0.1% who survived the subsequent pregnancy, her child beat even longer odds to be born alive. Functionally if not literally a miracle.
They (his mother and himself) have used his NFL fame as a springboard to argue that their beating of those long odds means abortion should be banned. "All you need is enough faith and God will help you."
That's the reason. It's not his position or his ability, it's the ancillary use he makes of the position and ability. Since he made the link, he has no basis for complaint when the link goes both ways.
And that's a good reason to hate the man? That's fucked up.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:40:00am |
re: #649 Lidane
Why talk about all these uncomfortable ideas when it's easier to point at a story about Adbusters or some douchebag taking a shit in public?
Because it damages the cause. It makes it much harder for Obama and the Dems to push for increasing taxes on the wealthy (which they were proposing over 2 years before OWS even started) when radical leftists and anarchists are on the evening news promoting the same message while attacking police, trashing public property, raping, stabbing, shooting heroin in the park, etc.
It also drives away people like myself who would otherwise support the protests. They are damaging a cause that I personally believe in but I'm perversely labeled a traitor and wingnut for speaking out against violent extremists on my side.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:40:29am |
re: #660 sattv4u2
Is it too late to go back and amend #626 to show a Duo of Derp?
There's the added bonus of it being alliterative! .
Much more poetic.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:41:28am |
re: #663 Killgore Trout
Much more poetic.
Yeah ,,, but that leaves you off the hook , the hook YOU'VE put me on!!!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:42:14am |
re: #664 sattv4u2
Yeah ,,, but that leaves you off the hook , the hook YOU'VE put me on!!!
///
You don't have to outrun the bear, just your fellow campers.
/
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:44:11am |
re: #665 Killgore Trout
You don't have to outrun the bear, just your fellow
campersconservatives.
/
Didn't know you were one, didjya!
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:48:08am |
re: #662 Killgore Trout
They are damaging a cause that I personally believe in but I'm perversely labeled a traitor and wingnut for speaking out against violent extremists on my side.
Don't flatter yourself. You're called out on your OWS posts because you focus on the violent extremists and also defend police violence against unarmed protesters, like you did with the UC Davis incident. Furthermore, you do it to the exclusion of ever talking about the ideas you claim to believe in.
With you, it's ZOMG OWS IS EVIL all day and all night without ever once debating the ideas that they were ever trying to talk about. Maybe if your posts weren't so one-note in their mindless criticism of everything remotely associated with OWS, people would take you more seriously on the matter.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:48:17am |
re: #641 Lidane
I can't stand Santorum, but I wouldn't wish harm on his kids. I wish that little girl well.
Check out the rabid hateful comments at HuffPo:
averagezoe
I'm not buying it. His spokesman made the statement that the Santorums were "going to admit the child" and that's why he had to cancel his appearances. I rather think that he knew how dismally he would fare in FL and a sick child can be taken to the hospital at any time and this was a convenient excuse for him. And as an added bonus, it gets him sympathy from the voters which could translate into actual votes.
...
gdchap
Imagine using your child to win groups of people and sympathy votes...unheard of!
...
Dana Logsdon
Well, maybe it's God's Plan to have her grow up gay. Perhaps it's for the best.
Progressive!
There are a few who are calling them out...
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
boogie albert 56After reading some of these post about Ricks daughter is saddening. She was not to make it thru her 1st birthday, now she is three and still she might not make it. I feel sorry for you people.
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Liberty4evah
First the hatred towards Sarah Palin's son with Down's Syndrome.
Now the hate towards Rick and his child with a Genetic disorder.
You Libs are insufferable and sick, sick, sick
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:49:40am |
re: #668 NJDhockeyfan
I value my brain cells too much to subject them to comments from most sites.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:54:54am |
re: #667 Lidane
Don't flatter yourself. You're called out on your OWS posts because you focus on the violent extremists and also defend police violence against unarmed protesters, like you did with the UC Davis incident.
Yes, because the police have the right to protect themselves. In the case of UC Davis the protesters surrounded police and started issuing demands in order for the police to leave. That's not legal and nobody in this country is legally allowed to do that. This is not a difficult concept. Participating in violent protests and interfering with arrests has consequences.
Maybe if your posts weren't so one-note in their mindless criticism of everything remotely associated with OWS, people would take you more seriously on the matter.
Sorry but the internet doesn't work that way. This is the same reaction I got for criticizing the Tea Party on a conservative blog. I can't take responsibility for your reactions to my posts. Not my problem.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:58:43am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
Sorry but the internet doesn't work that way.
it has something to do with a treadmill, furry critters, and boobs, no ?
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:59:13am |
re: #647 blueraven
It's fascinating that OWS now has many of the same flaws and bad actors (Anon, Black Anarch.) as immigration advocacy. It's a fair comparison. Recent May Day marches in LA have been peaceful as have OWS actions in LA. But sometimes not in the past.
With or without violent incidents- OWS is held to a higher behavioral standard than immigration advocates & their larger movements such as we see in Los Angeles.
Why? I might speculate that is because the immigration advocates have a very well aimed focus-Open borders and direct in depth support of illegal immigrants.
Maybe that is just literally far more popular to support than real action on economic injustice.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:59:48am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
In the case of UC Davis the protesters surrounded police and started issuing demands in order for the police to leave. That's not legal and nobody in this country is legally allowed to do that. This is not a difficult concept. Participating in violent protests and interfering with arrests has consequences.
Yeah. Because UC Davis was so violent. I'm sure the armed cop in full riot gear forcing pepper spray down the throats of a bunch of seated, unarmed kids felt threatened.
Fuck that. Cops have the right to protect themselves, but they don't have the right to be violent assholes just because they have a badge and a gun. Maybe someday you'll figure that out.
Sorry but the internet doesn't work that way. This is the same reaction I got for criticizing the Tea Party on a conservative blog. I can't take responsibility for your reactions to my posts. Not my problem.
But you CAN take responsibility for the content of your posts, and actually try defending the ideas you claim to believe in for once instead of just using OWS as a Magical Balance Fairy.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:01:15am |
re: #673 Lidane
instead of just using OWS as a Magical Balance Fairy.
What do you think he's balancing it against?
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:01:52am |
re: #661 NJDhockeyfan
And that's a good reason to hate the man? That's fucked up.
Yes.
He is calling for women to be refused abortions even to save their lives. He is using his platform of fame to make that call broader.
So yes. I hate anyone who espouses a platform such as that.
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CSKapper Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:02:28am |
Of course Cain endorsed Newt! Birds of a feather, just like philanderers, stick together!
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:10:54am |
RNC Chairman compares Obama to cruise ship captain.
Classy.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:13:44am |
re: #673 Lidane
Using the same standards to judge both left and right wing movements is not balance fairy. It's intellectually honest and fair. I have mentioned before that I have become uncomfortable in a forum that is only critical of one side of the political spectrum. People say things about conservatives and Republicans here that even make me cringe. It would be fine if criticism of both sides was tolerated but it gets creepy to me when only one side is demonized and the other side is protected with religious zeal.
Think about the environment of a comedy club: A comedian can get on stage and tell all kinds of off color jokes targeting various groups and religions but if he tells 20 black jokes in a row it gets uncomfortable. I have curtailed my enthusiasm for criticizing the wingnuts because I became uncomfortable with the partisan environment that only tolerates criticism of one political side. The old LGF was like that and my enthusiasm for returning to the same format is pretty limited.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:15:08am |
re: #674 sattv4u2
What do you think he's balancing it against?
You tell me. It's interesting how posts about OWS suddenly show up earlier in threads about GOP idiocy, but take longer in open threads.
Gingrich race baits in SC? Here comes an early post about OWS. Racism spewed at Shiela Jackson Lee? Another early OWS post. A thread talking about defending the teaching of climate change? Hey, look at that. Another early OWS post. Huntsman bails? OWS.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:19:17am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:19:58am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:21:08am |
Man, if my party were as nuts as the GOP I wouldn't want to talk about them either.
;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:22:28am |
re: #678 Killgore Trout
There is a core of truth here. But there are nuances.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:27:29am |
re: #678 Killgore Trout
For example, I don't see social liberals and social conservatives as some sort of equal sides / mirrors of each other. I would say some things about socons that I would downding if somebody said them about solibs. Some things. But not all things.
That said, I think LGF needs more balance in the form of more righties who are not socons.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:29:39am |
re: #685 Sergey Romanov
For example, I don't see social liberals and social conservatives as some sort of equal sides / mirrors of each other. I would say some things about socons that I would downding if somebody said them about solibs. Some things. But not all things.
That said, I think LGF needs more balance in the form of more righties who are not socons.
They're here (WAVIN!!!) but because "we're" con on some things gets us painted as cons on ALL things
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:32:57am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:35:28am |
re: #685 Sergey Romanov
For example, I don't see social liberals and social conservatives as some sort of equal sides / mirrors of each other. I would say some things about socons that I would downding if somebody said them about solibs. Some things. But not all things.
That said, I think LGF needs more balance in the form of more righties who are not socons.
Agreed. I would make the same criticisms of both sides either. The Republican party is a mess and I trust the Dems more on pretty much all the major issues these days.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:41:43am |
re: #688 Killgore Trout
Agreed. I would make the same criticisms of both sides either. The Republican party is a mess and I trust the Dems more on pretty much all the major issues these days.
would= wouldn't
/oops
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:43:02am |
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:44:24am |
re: #685 Sergey Romanov
That said, I think LGF needs more balance in the form of more righties who are not socons.
I'd be happy with more "righties" who aren't global warming deniers. But I fear hardly any exist :(
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:46:19am |
re: #690 sattv4u2
Aren't there two "P"'s in OOPPS??
My edit pencil isn't working today. Sockwave player crashing. I'm in PC hell and I think I'll log off and spend the next few hours updating and rebooting until I get things sorted.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:54:18pm |
re: #660 sattv4u2
Is it too late to go back and amend #626 to show a Duo of Derp?
There's the added bonus of it being alliterative! .
There is no going back. I could be more specific and say regret having to make the assessment of Derp, which is more precise. I still love KT and think he's a cool dude but the OWS obsession is derpish. That's how I see it.
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