Nate Silver is now projecting mega-millionaire Mitt Romney to win the Florida GOP primary; Newt Gingrich’s surge has evaporated.
Is it another case of the dreaded Sarah Palin Kiss of Death?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:31:42am |
Newt could’ve punted it even without Sarah, but she did help move him in that direction…
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:32:42am |
Romney is in … I have been predicting this for several years. He is the only electable candidate the GOP has. But it will still not be enough to beat Obama.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:33:59am |
time to get out the scissors and the scotch tape, mr. gringrich
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darthstar Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:34:10am |
The good news is that Palin will endorse Romney before the General.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:34:12am |
Rasmussen, NBC/Marist, PPP, Ipsos… all of them with bad news for Newt.
The freepers and wingnuts are despondent right now. They might just have to pull the trigger for Mitt in November and it’s killing them.
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Stanghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:35:25am |
Offering her a major position in his administration? Along with John Bolton? Anyone of sane mind says WHAT?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:35:39am |
Newt wins even if he loses, because then he gets to write another book all about what’s wrong with everything and how he’s the only one smart enough to fix it. Then book tours, speaking engagements, etc. $$$
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:37:43am |
haha…Nate Silver salutes Dr Seuss
There are traditional polls and automated polls, Internet polls and partisan polls, academic polls and commercial polls.
There are polls where voters checked a box. There are polls that were reported on Fox.
There are polls that called the voter’s house. There are polls where voters clicked a mouse.
Though the numbers were here and there, the outcome was the same everywhere.
Unless there is a major glitch, Mitt Romney will beat Newt Gingrich.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:38:46am |
re: #7 negativ
Newt wins even if he loses, because then he gets to write another book all about what’s wrong with everything and how he’s the only one smart enough to fix it. Then book tours, speaking engagements, etc. $$$
He is enough of a businessman to have run a cost/benefits analysis of this campaign and he obviously decided that the benefits would more than outweigh the costs and effort expended, And I am sure that “actually winning” was not near the top of the list of potential outcomes.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:38:57am |
re: #4 darthstar
The good news is that Palin will endorse Romney before the General.
Pack your bags, Sarah! It’s time for another half-finished bus tour of America, only this time you’ll go around endorsing Mitt.
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bratwurst Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:43:20am |
Newt wants students to do what he says and not what he did when it comes to working while in school:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:44:25am |
Pelosi’s claim that she has the “Newt-bane” may have frightened the voters into reality. IMO, the reality? Whether it’s perception… or whether it’s reality… Newt’s just too soiled to win.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:44:57am |
re: #11 bratwurst
A classic case of “do what I say not what I do.”
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:45:09am |
re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pelosi’s claim that she has the “Newt-bane” may have frightened the voters into reality. IMO, the reality? Whether it’s perception… or whether it’s reality… Newt’s just too soiled to win.
Newt is bane enough on his own.
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:45:21am |
re: #2 _RememberTonyC
Romney is in … I have been predicting this for several years. He is the only electable candidate the GOP has. But it will still not be enough to beat Obama.
Probably not. And, of course, the GOP “base” will insist it was because he wasn’t CONSERVATIVE™ enough, and come out with a crop of even more batshit insane candidates for 2016.
Personally, I’m glad. I know there’s those hoping for Gingrich to get the nomination because he’d be easy to beat, but Gingrich would be such a disaster that I don’t even want him to have a remote shot at the office. I don’t really love the idea of Romney being President, but I could live with it if I had to - things would probably stay, if nothing else, relatively stable under his administration.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:46:32am |
re: #2 _RememberTonyC
Romney is in … I have been predicting this for several years. He is the only electable candidate the GOP has. But it will still not be enough to beat Obama.
Probably, but Newt is not about to let go of his leg until Mitt has won several large states. Keep in mind that to date he has only taken one small state, Florida would be his first major victory.
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:46:47am |
The Anyone but Mitt train has received, considered, and dumped Newt all within the span of three weeks. Not particularly surprising, but there it is.
I don’t think it has as much to do with Palin, or Cain, or anyone else’s support so much as his poor performance in the debates following the penultimate debate in SC where Romney stumbled badly and Newt got his game on with the opening salvo not against the other candidates but against the media for hitting Gingrich on his infidelities and ethics (and lack of same).
There’s also an interesting relationship between how the SC debates and their audience participation allowances helps shift viewer preferences based on the cheering from the crowds. CBS Sunday Morning had a piece about this effect and it was quite interesting how when early debates took place in a studio with no audience (think back to the 1960s when the televised debate first evolved), there was a different reaction than those that take place where the audience can cheer and jeer. At the same time, the rules in the general election debates prohibit audience cheering/jeering.
Oh, and they made one other point - Newt benefitted from the cheering in the SC debate, then had a flat debate where no cheering was permitted, and then they adjusted the rules so that cheering could again be allowed, and Newt got screwed when they cheered for Romney’s response against Newt’s campaign tactics.
My take? Newt’s peaked, regardless of the format, and his claims that he’ll stick around through the convention is more threat than promise.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:52:08am |
re: #17 lawhawk
It’s a shame there’s not a ref who can call the fight.
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TedStriker Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:53:25am |
re: #17 lawhawk
The Anyone but Mitt train has received, considered, and dumped Newt all within the span of three weeks. Not particularly surprising, but there it is.
I don’t think it has as much to do with Palin, or Cain, or anyone else’s support so much as his poor performance in the debates following the penultimate debate in SC where Romney stumbled badly and Newt got his game on with the opening salvo not against the other candidates but against the media for hitting Gingrich on his infidelities and ethics (and lack of same).
There’s also an interesting relationship between how the SC debates and their audience participation allowances helps shift viewer preferences based on the cheering from the crowds. CBS Sunday Morning had a piece about this effect and it was quite interesting how when early debates took place in a studio with no audience (think back to the 1960s when the televised debate first evolved), there was a different reaction than those that take place where the audience can cheer and jeer. At the same time, the rules in the general election debates prohibit audience cheering/jeering.
Oh, and they made one other point - Newt benefitted from the cheering in the SC debate, then had a flat debate where no cheering was permitted, and then they adjusted the rules so that cheering could again be allowed, and Newt got screwed when they cheered for Romney’s response against Newt’s campaign tactics.
My take? Newt’s peaked, regardless of the format, and his claims that he’ll stick around through the convention is more threat than promise.
I wouldn’t put it past Newt to do the “if I can’t have it, no one can” routine; his ego is just that big. Over the past couple of weeks or so, he’s been so close to staying the frontrunner for the nom, he could taste it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:55:10am |
Freepers being classy:
The 21-point lead Romney has with women voters is something no candidate can easily overcome. Even if Santorum drops off, this does not mean a large chunk of the female vote will go to Gingrich. Gosh, who knew those chromosones will play a decisive role in American politics.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:58:36am |
Gosh, who knew those chromosones will play a decisive role in American politics.
That qualifies as a stupid question, no?
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:59:53am |
re: #20 Sergey Romanov
Santorum may drop off or even out, his daughter is in the hospital. I picked up on this story earlier today. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:00:18am |
re: #22 PhillyPretzel
That could give Newt a boost.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:02:44am |
re: #22 PhillyPretzel
Santorum may drop off or even out, his daughter is in the hospital. I picked up on this story earlier today. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
I think he should drop out at this point. He has no chance of winning the nomination, and his kid is sick. His family needs him. Time to bow out and go home.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:02:55am |
re: #19 talon_262
I wouldn’t put it past Newt to do the “if I can’t have it, no one can” routine; his ego is just that big. Over the past couple of weeks or so, he’s been so close to staying the frontrunner for the nom, he could taste it.
Newt is not gonna let go of Mitt’s leg until Romney has a clear majority of delegates sewed up, and that is still a ways off.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:03:03am |
re: #11 bratwurst
I worked as a janitor at 4 am to put myself through school.
My husband worked the graveyard shift at a gas station for school money.
Jerk.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:03:45am |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
I agree. We shall see what happens.
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SidewaysQuark Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:04:34am |
re: #25 ralphieboy
Newt is not gonna let go of Mitt’s leg until Romney has a clear majority of delegates sewed up, and that is still a ways off.
I agree. Newt is an egomaniac, and he realizes this is his one and only shot in left in his life at leading the pack. He’ll go all out till the bitter end, I think.
I bet he’ll go through with every dirty trick he can possibly conceive before giving this up.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:04:49am |
Interesting how the angry left seems to characterize success by a conservative as a bad thing while giving lefties a pass.
The Kennedy family is essentially worshiped by the media/democrat party.
“In 1998, writes Posner, the family undertook an immensely smart transaction: the sale of Chicago’s Merchandise Mart, “the world’s largest commercial structure,” for $600 million. It had been acquired by Kennedy in 1945 for $12.5 million. Teddy Kennedy and his sisters, Eunice, Patricia, and Jean, each got $75 million. JFK’s children, Caroline and John Jr., each got $37.5 million, and Bobby’s widow, Ethel, and her 11 children divvied up $75 million.”
The media/democrat party obviously sees nothing nefarious here.
Is/Was John Kerry’s wealth considered a bad thing?
“The richest (member of congress)? That would be Sen. John Kerry, (D-Mass.), who tops the list for the second year with a minimum net worth of $186.6 million, a boost of about $20 million from 2008, with much of it credited to his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.”
Nope. That definitely won’t disqualify a liberal, but conservatives are essentially rendered guilty, well, just for being conservative. And whatever we do, we better not be successful in the private sector. That’s just heresy - or something.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:05:02am |
re: #28 SidewaysQuark
I agree. Newt is an egomaniac, and he realizes this is his one and only shot in left in his life at leading the pack. He’ll go all out till the bitter end, I think.
And that is good no matter how it turns out in the end.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:05:42am |
re: #26 EmmmieG
I worked as a janitor at 4 am to put myself through school.
My husband worked the graveyard shift at a gas station for school money.
Jerk.
Friend of ours in the Russian department at University of Arizona worked as a clerk at a pornographic bookstore: he said it was great, a full-time job, two sixteen-hour shifts on weekends and one night shift during the week, inbetween selling copies of Leather Bondage and Extreme Watersports he could sit and study Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:06:10am |
I’m finding Newt’s whining about Romney running attack ads amusing and ironic.
re: #28 SidewaysQuark
I agree. Newt is an egomaniac, and he realizes this is his one and only shot in left in his life at leading the pack. He’ll go all out till the bitter end, I think.
I bet he’ll go through with every dirty trick he can possibly conceive before giving this up.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:07:52am |
re: #29 rwmofo
Kerry and Kennedy weren’t dicks about their wealth. They weren’t complete Wall St. shills either.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:08:58am |
re: #29 rwmofo
Interesting how the angry left seems to characterize success by a conservative as a bad thing while giving lefties a pass.
Interesting how you read something into my post that isn’t there — and not for the first time. It’s a simple fact that Romney has more money than the last 8 presidents combined — and then doubled.
The post says nothing at all about whether it’s a “bad thing” or a “good thing.”
Reading comprehension is your friend. Victimhood isn’t.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:09:27am |
re: #33 Sergey Romanov
Kerry and Kennedy weren’t dicks about their wealth. They weren’t complete Wall St. shills either.
[Public Service Announcement]
Obvious troll is hungry. Don’t feed the troll.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:09:54am |
re: #35 kirkspencer
[Public Service Announcement]
Obvious troll is hungry. Don’t feed the troll.
Why not? If the troll is still here, it’s allowed.
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zora Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:10:46am |
re: #11 bratwurst
Newt wants students to do what he says and not what he did when it comes to working while in school:
from link:
Dolores Adamson, Gingrich’s district administrator from 1978 to 1983, remembers, “Jackie put him all the way through school. All the way through the PhD …. He didn’t work.”
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:11:19am |
re: #34 Charles
Interesting how you read something into my post that isn’t there — and not for the first time. It’s a simple fact that Romney has more money than the last 8 presidents combined — and then doubled.
The post says nothing at all about whether it’s a “bad thing” or a “good thing.”
Reading comprehension is your friend. Victimhood isn’t.
There’s a link to a USA Today article in your post. I was simply making a couple observations related to the article you referenced.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:12:26am |
re: #38 rwmofo
There’s a link to a USA Today article in your post. I was simply making a couple observations related to the article you referenced.
Really? Why don’t you point out where the USA Today article says Romney’s wealth is “a bad thing?”
And since when is USA Today part of the “angry left?”
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:12:51am |
re: #33 Sergey Romanov
This is from Wiki, about how Joe Kennedy made his money. Let’s see how comparable it is to how Mitt makes his.
To deny that campaign partisanship has played a part in the perceptions of these people would be kinda naive. Especially to a person bereft of any party loyalty at all such as myself.
Business career
Kennedy made a large fortune as a stock market and commodity investor and by investing in real estate and a wide range of industries. He never built a significant business from scratch, but his timing as both buyer and seller was usually excellent. Sometimes he made use of inside information in ways which were legal at the time but were later outlawed. He later became the first chairman of the SEC. After his death, various gangsters including Frank Costello claimed to have associated with Kennedy. According to some accounts,[which?] Kennedy was associated in the “bear raid” that precipitated the Wall Street Crash of 1929, as well as much of the bootlegging activity that was common at the time.[citation needed] When Fortune magazine published its first list of the richest people in the United States in 1957, it placed him in the $200–400 million band[10] ($1.56–3.12 billion today[11]), meaning that it estimated him to be between the ninth and sixteenth richest person in the United States at that time.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:12:53am |
re: #36 Sergey Romanov
Why not? If the troll is still here, it’s allowed.
Allowed, yes, because fattening them for the grill is a good thing.
Otherwise, feeding them encourages them to spew more waste, spoiling otherwise fine threads everywhere.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:14:16am |
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FreedomMoon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:14:55am |
re: #7 negativ
Newt wins even if he loses, because then he gets to write another book all about what’s wrong with everything and how he’s the only one smart enough to fix it. Then book tours, speaking engagements, etc. $$$
I’ve long been on the “Newt is only doing to this to lash out against the GOP in revenge and make A LOT of money” train for quite awhile.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:14:57am |
re: #40 Rightwingconspirator
This is from Wiki, about how Joe Kennedy made his money. Let’s see how comparable it is to how Mitt makes his.
To deny that campaign partisanship has played a part in the perceptions of these people would be kinda naive. Especially to a person bereft of any party loyalty at all such as myself.
Business career
Kennedy made a large fortune as a stock market and commodity investor and by investing in real estate and a wide range of industries. He never built a significant business from scratch, but his timing as both buyer and seller was usually excellent. Sometimes he made use of inside information in ways which were legal at the time but were later outlawed. He later became the first chairman of the SEC. After his death, various gangsters including Frank Costello claimed to have associated with Kennedy. According to some accounts,[which?] Kennedy was associated in the “bear raid” that precipitated the Wall Street Crash of 1929, as well as much of the bootlegging activity that was common at the time.[citation needed] When Fortune magazine published its first list of the richest people in the United States in 1957, it placed him in the $200–400 million band[10] ($1.56–3.12 billion today[11]), meaning that it estimated him to be between the ninth and sixteenth richest person in the United States at that time.
So if/when Mitt’s kid(s) run for office the comparison will be valid. But Mitt’s source of wealth isn’t comparable to that of Teddy Kennedy.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:15:06am |
re: #39 Charles
Really? Why don’t you point out where the USA Today article says Romney’s wealth is “a bad thing?”
And since when is USA Today part of the “angry left?”
It’s to the left of “newsmax”.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:15:46am |
re: #41 kirkspencer
Allowed, yes, because fattening them for the grill is a good thing.
Otherwise, feeding them encourages them to spew more waste, spoiling otherwise fine threads everywhere.
rwmofo ain’t no eatin’ troll. He’s a conservative who shows up here some mornings to keep the liberals honest.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:15:47am |
re: #29 rwmofo
I’m sorry, you’re back to ‘media/democrat party’, and therefore I can’t actually read anything you’re saying.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:15:47am |
In point of fact, the article I linked actually comes from the Associated Press, and it’s a straightforward report on Romney’s relative wealth. There’s nothing angry about it at all, and it makes no value judgment at all.
And USA Today, by the way, is probably the most wishy washy, controversy-avoiding mass market newspaper in America. Grouping them with the “angry left” is just ridiculous.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:16:01am |
NEEEEERDS!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:16:28am |
re: #48 Charles
I think he meant you.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:16:50am |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
rwmofo ain’t no eatin’ troll. He’s a conservative who shows up here some mornings to keep the liberals honest.
And he expects to accomplish that by spewing nothing but dishonesty himself? Lulz.
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Tigger2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:17:09am |
re: #39 Charles
Really? Why don’t you point out where the USA Today article says Romney’s wealth is “a bad thing?”
And since when is USA Today part of the “angry left?”
Don’t you know that any media source that doesn’t totally agree with the Right immediately becomes part of the angry Left.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:17:16am |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
rwmofo ain’t no eatin’ troll. He’s a conservative who shows up here some mornings to keep the liberals honest.
Dunno, the comments I’ve seen by him are very often dishonest.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:17:29am |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
rwmofo ain’t no eatin’ troll. He’s a conservative who shows up here some mornings to keep the liberals honest.
Upding for the concept of ‘eatin’ troll’.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:17:46am |
re: #40 Rightwingconspirator
This is politics: it is not about absolute wealth or absolute terms. it is about Romney’s image as someone who benefits from the current status quo regarding tax laws in our country.
It puts him in a poor position to portray himself as someone who is going to make any efforts to reform it to the benefit of the 99% of us who are not in a position to take advantage of the tax cuts can use in his income bracket but most of us poor wage-earning slobs can’t.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:18:00am |
re: #53 Sergey Romanov
Dunno, the comments I’ve seen by him are very often dishonest.
I’d say “usually” instead of “often.”
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:19:46am |
re: #44 kirkspencer
So if/when Mitt’s kid(s) run for office the comparison will be valid. But Mitt’s source of wealth isn’t comparable to that of Teddy Kennedy.
It’s about how wealth is perceived during an election. With a severe partisan filter, that’s how. A filter that has outlived every man alive, and will continue to do so, promulgated by generations of partisan activists. From Tammany Hall to Wall Street.
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jaunte Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:20:00am |
The first rule of Wealth Club is: you do not talk about Wealth Club.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:20:55am |
Here’s the first sentence:
“Just how rich is Mitt Romney? Add up the wealth of the last eight presidents, from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Then double that number. Now you’re in Romney territory.”
Hmmm, why did they conveniently decide to stop before getting to JFK? While Kennedy is mentioned later in the article, there’s no Romney/Kennedy comparison which would defeat the point of this AP article.
…and the USA Today is by no means conservative - and sourcing the Associated Press? C’mon.
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zora Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:22:18am |
re: #59 Stanley Sea
I cannot believe we are talking about the Kennedys.
comparing romney to the kennedys in no way makes him more palatable to the base. i don’t see the point.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:22:34am |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OT, help… I keep getting a “Shockwave has crashed”… right now I’m seeing a jigsaw puzzle piece in the upper left hand of the screen with x’s over the eyes.
What should I do?
I’ve been struggling with shockwave this morning too. I eventually unistalled it, rebooted (several times) and reinstalled before it stopped crashing.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:22:57am |
Oodles and oodles of freep denial and gnashing of teeth over this
[Link: freerepublic.com…]
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:24:13am |
re: #59 Stanley Sea
I cannot believe we are talking about the Kennedys.
Sorry, it’s just too good an example about how our perceptions of wealth are altered by our partisan loyalties. I’ll withdraw that pending a better example. Prolly not hard to find.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:24:54am |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OT, help… I keep getting a “Shockwave has crashed”… right now I’m seeing a jigsaw puzzle piece in the upper left hand of the screen with x’s over the eyes.
What should I do?
What were you drinking last night ,, and how many did you have?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:25:00am |
re: #59 Stanley Sea
I cannot believe we are talking about the Kennedys.
magical balance fairy dust in the air…
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shecky Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:25:01am |
rwmofo:
The man-bites-dog story so far is that it’s the Gingrich campaign making all the hay over Romney’s wealth/Bain connection. It appears so far the left has largely sit back and watched the slow motion train wreck unfold before the nation’s eyes.
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Sionainn Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:25:06am |
re: #62 rwmofo
Here’s the first sentence:
“Just how rich is Mitt Romney? Add up the wealth of the last eight presidents, from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Then double that number. Now you’re in Romney territory.”
Hmmm, why did they conveniently decide to stop before getting to JFK? While Kennedy is mentioned later in the article, there’s no Romney/Kennedy comparison which would defeat the point of this AP article.
…and the USA Today is by no means conservative - and sourcing the Associated Press? C’mon.
You caught us…we’re all just jealous of Romney’s riches.
////gag
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:25:47am |
re: #70 Sionainn
You caught us…we’re all just jealous of Romney’s riches.
///gag
We hate job creators. We want poor people to give us jobs.
/
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:25:59am |
re: #66 Rightwingconspirator
Sorry, it’s just too good an example about how our perceptions of wealth are altered by our partisan loyalties. I’ll withdraw that pending a better example. Prolly not hard to find.
Frankly, I care a lot more about how wealth was gathered than by the number after the dollar sign. Build a productive component of society from scratch? Kick ass, have a gold star. Scavenge from gangrenous flesh? No soup for you.
I don’t give two shits about how much Romney is actually worth.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:26:33am |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m sorry, you’re back to ‘media/democrat party’, and therefore I can’t actually read anything you’re saying.
Heh. As long as the media insists on being married, I’ll call them a family.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:27:46am |
re: #66 Rightwingconspirator
Sorry, it’s just too good an example about how our perceptions of wealth are altered by our partisan loyalties.
I’d say they’re far more “altered” by what people decide to do with that wealth, and their attitudes to people who don’t have as much.
Warren Buffet and Bill Gates may not be perfect, but they’ve done staggeringly good things with their wealth, and don’t go around shitting all over poor people. The GOP does far too little of the former, and disgustingly large amounts of the latter. Ergo, $Romney == “douche” :)
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:27:46am |
re: #73 rwmofo
Heh. As long as the media insists on being married, I’ll call them a family.
I’ll give you a hint: there is a media conglomerate commingled with a political party, but it’s not the one you’re thinking of.
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JAFO Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:28:48am |
re: #62 rwmofo
…and the USA Today is by no means conservative - and sourcing the Associated Press? C’mon.
If it’s not conservative it must be liberal. Binary thinking detected.
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Stanghazi Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:29:01am |
re: #66 Rightwingconspirator
Sorry, it’s just too good an example about how our perceptions of wealth are altered by our partisan loyalties. I’ll withdraw that pending a better example. Prolly not hard to find.
I have no prob w/romneys wealth cept for the way he partially got it, leveraging hurting companies. Ya it’s profitable, but one in s long string of the bad ways we’ve figured to make $.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:29:12am |
re: #75 erik_t
I’ll give you a hint: there is a media conglomerate commingled with a political party, but it’s not the one you’re thinking of.
Whose parent company had its offices in Britain raided by police.
;)
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:29:35am |
re: #51 publicityStunted
And he expects to accomplish that by spewing nothing but dishonesty himself? Lulz.
Feel free to search my comments and find something dishonest. Note: disagreements in political philosophy do not equal dishonesty.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:30:06am |
Quote from the article:
He would be among the richest presidents in American history if elected — probably in the top four.
He couldn’t top George Washington who, with nearly 60,000 acres and more than 300 slaves, is considered the big daddy of presidential wealth. After that, it gets complicated, depending how you rate Thomas Jefferson’s plantation, Herbert Hoover’s millions from mining or John F. Kennedy’s share of the vast family fortune, as well as the finer points of factors like inflation adjustment.
It very obviously does mention the Kennedy family fortune, and it does point out that it might be comparable to Romney’s wealth.
How did the Associated Press’s “angry left” overlords let that slip in there?
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:31:18am |
re: #69 shecky
rwmofo:
The man-bites-dog story so far is that it’s the Gingrich campaign making all the hay over Romney’s wealth/Bain connection. It appears so far the left has largely sit back and watched the slow motion train wreck unfold before the nation’s eyes.
Man bites dog? You bet, big time. But as to the next point-No, they are happy to pile on, not just sit back.
I think it’s fair to say it’s not at all difficult to find “angry left” critics of Mitt. Critics that would be silent if he were not a Republican.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:31:22am |
Personally, I thank God for Mitt Romney’s wealth. Without it, he might have long since been taken down by one of the pack of rabid attention-seeking hyenas who are challenging him for the nomination.
An unbeatable war chest will keep him floating as the various Not-Mitt dinghies go under.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:32:27am |
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:32:37am |
re: #81 Rightwingconspirator
Man bites dog? You bet, big time. But as to the next point-No, they are happy to pile on, not just sit back.
I think it’s fair to say it’s not at all difficult to find “angry left” critics of Mitt. Critics that would be silent if he were not a Republican.
Given that Romney is so fucking embarrassed by it that he has yet to make an honest statement about his time at Bain, I think it’s quite fair to pile on.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:32:39am |
Here’s the headline of the article:
“Romney would rank among richest presidents ever”
This is relevant to the current presidential race how exactly?
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s not a puff piece designed to promote Romney.
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:33:20am |
re: #85 rwmofo
Here’s the headline of the article:
“Romney would rank among richest presidents ever”
This is relevant to the current presidential race how exactly?
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s not a puff piece designed to promote Romney.
Facts have a well-known liberal bias.
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jaunte Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:33:21am |
re: #80 Charles
Quote from the article:
It very obviously does mention the Kennedy family fortune, and it does point out that it might be comparable to Romney’s wealth.
All the way down at the end of the third paragraph. They must be trying to hide it.
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:35:02am |
re: #74 publicityStunted
I’d say they’re far more “altered” by what people decide to do with that wealth, and their attitudes to people who don’t have as much.
Warren Buffet and Bill Gates may not be perfect, but they’ve done staggeringly good things with their wealth, and don’t go around shitting all over poor people. The GOP does far too little of the former, and disgustingly large amounts of the latter. Ergo, $Romney == “douche” :)
Okay, I agree in principle. But the fact neither of them ever faced a fierce primary vetting has me questioning the choice. Hilariously, according to a couple sources I was just looking at Washington may have been our richest President ever.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:35:56am |
re: #86 erik_t
Facts have a well-known liberal bias.
Thank God the person that quote is from is neutral!!
{sigh}
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Ojoe Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:36:37am |
The Kennedy family fortune was greatly augmented by the quick importation of Whiskey from Canada right exactly at the end of prohibition.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:36:48am |
re: #79 rwmofo
Feel free to search my comments and find something dishonest.
Being a global warming denier is the most egregious example. Not that you care what actual climate scientists think, but 33 generals say you’re full of shit.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:36:50am |
re: #62 rwmofo
Here’s the first sentence:
“Just how rich is Mitt Romney? Add up the wealth of the last eight presidents, from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Then double that number. Now you’re in Romney territory.”
Hmmm, why did they conveniently decide to stop before getting to JFK? While Kennedy is mentioned later in the article, there’s no Romney/Kennedy comparison which would defeat the point of this AP article.
…and the USA Today is by no means conservative - and sourcing the Associated Press? C’mon.
So, Mitt has greater wealth than the last eight presidents added together, but maybe not the last nine, and it’s dishonest to just point out about the last eight?
It doesn’t help that JFK’s wealth is harder to measure. The Kennedy estate is estimated to be worth $1Billion today, but a) that’s today and b) JFK didn’t inherit the estate. Since we don’t add other Romney’s wealth to Mitt, honesty compels that we only measure JFK’s wealth. According to the State Department of Corporations and Taxation, JFK’s total estate was $1.9 Million at the time of his death. Even allowing for an eight-fold increase due to inflation that’s far below the estimated 200 to 250 million Romney personally holds.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:37:11am |
re: #49 Sergey Romanov
NEEERDS!
That’s borderline pet abuse right there. Not to mention making the dog a target for airspeeder attacks.
/Stay on Target!
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:37:15am |
re: #89 Ojoe
Palin will probably be president one day.
Totally. I just look at her and see starbursts. If nothing else, she’ll always be president of my heart ❤❤❤
/
/you forgot yours
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:37:31am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:37:35am |
re: #79 rwmofo
Feel free to search my comments and find something dishonest. Note: disagreements in political philosophy do not equal dishonesty.
For example, I think this comment qualifies as dishonest, and the explanations as to why are under it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:37:51am |
It is not about absolute amounts or how it was made: it is about the perception that Romney is in Washington to represent the interests of the 1% and to benefit from the tax advantages available only to those people.
And although Obama’s absolute wealth also puts him in the 1%, he does not project the image of being someone who is content to keep things cozy for the upper crust.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:38:09am |
re: #85 rwmofo
Here’s the headline of the article:
“Romney would rank among richest presidents ever”
This is relevant to the current presidential race how exactly?
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s not a puff piece designed to promote Romney.
OK. Now, instead of the passive-aggressive whining about the Kennedys, what do you think you’re looking at, when this is highlighted?
Is the ‘media/democrat’ party trying to advantage Gingrich? Does it assume Romney has already won the nomination, and is trying to put him in stark contrast with Obama’s humble origins? What do you think the purpose of the article is? Try to say it, not hint-hint it.
So far, I think the best moment Gingrich has had was when Romney offered him that stupid bet and he said he couldn’t afford it. Now THAT was sophisticated. (Also untrue, but under the circumstances, who cares?)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:38:45am |
re: #85 rwmofo
Here’s the headline of the article:
“Romney would rank among richest presidents ever”
This is relevant to the current presidential race how exactly?
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s not a puff piece designed to promote Romney.
It must be very uncomfortable to be so into the right wing victimhood thing that you read a simple statement of fact, and take it as a value judgment and an attack on your ideology.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:04am |
re: #97 Sergey Romanov
fxd
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zora Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:08am |
re: #85 rwmofo
Here’s the headline of the article:
“Romney would rank among richest presidents ever”
This is relevant to the current presidential race how exactly?
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s not a puff piece designed to promote Romney.
you’re kidding, right. every election there is discussion of the candidates money. this is not the first year of releasing tax statements. money is an important part of how elections are won and romney has a boatload of it. something tells me you know all of this.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:08am |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
So far, I think the best moment Gingrich has had was when Romney offered him that stupid bet and he said he couldn’t afford it. Now THAT was sophisticated. (Also untrue, but under the circumstances, who cares?)
Wasn’t that Perry?
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:33am |
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:52am |
re: #92 publicityStunted
Being a global warming denier is the most egregious example. Not that you care what actual climate scientists think, but 33 generals think you’re full of shit on that one.
Wow. Those were EXCELLENT post by yours truly. Thanks for the reminders. Note that I didn’t use the word “Deny” in either though, but made exceptionally valid points.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:55am |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Some days? Honestly? I’m pissed that I wasn’t born a Kennedy.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:39:59am |
re: #88 Rightwingconspirator
Mount Vernon was not a home. Mount Vernon was a village. Until I went there I was unaware how many people called Mount Vernon home.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:40:37am |
re: #106 rwmofo
Wow. Those were EXCELLENT post by yours truly. Thanks for the reminders. Note that I didn’t use the word “Deny” in either though, but made exceptionally valid points.
No, you’re an AGW denier.
No point on pretending otherwise.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:40:57am |
re: #106 rwmofo
Why do you completely ignore the US military’s support for alternative energy and desire to have more of it? Why do you completely ignore that they accept human-causing climate change as a fact and a threat to America’s security?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:41:25am |
re: #85 rwmofo
Here’s the headline of the article:
“Romney would rank among richest presidents ever”
This is relevant to the current presidential race how exactly?
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it’s not a puff piece designed to promote Romney.
The work a presidential candidate has done prior to running is relevant, as is the quality of that work.
The piece didn’t seem problematic to me. Even if it was, it was just low-grade media DERP. They made noise about how John Corzine was the richest man ever to run for governor of New Jersey, too, so that door does swing both ways.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:41:32am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:41:37am |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Is the ‘media/democrat’ party trying to advantage Gingrich
It could be argued that if the media were for Obama they would prefer the weaker candidate (i.e. Gingrich) to emerge from the Repub primary
Does it assume Romney has already won the nomination, and is trying to put him in stark contrast with Obama’s humble origins
Again, under the scenario that the media prefers Obama over Romney that would play well to the non 1%ers
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:42:02am |
re: #108 EmmmieG
Mount Vernon was not a home. Mount Vernon was a village. Until I went there I was unaware how many people called Mount Vernon home.
But, many who lived there needed very special permission to move.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:42:11am |
re: #112 Varek Raith
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
AGW denial.
Denial of denial.
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zora Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:42:39am |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
OK. Now, instead of the passive-aggressive whining about the Kennedys, what do you think you’re looking at, when this is highlighted?
Is the ‘media/democrat’ party trying to advantage Gingrich? Does it assume Romney has already won the nomination, and is trying to put him in stark contrast with Obama’s humble origins? What do you think the purpose of the article is? Try to say it, not hint-hint it.
So far, I think the best moment Gingrich has had was when Romney offered him that stupid bet and he said he couldn’t afford it. Now THAT was sophisticated. (Also untrue, but under the circumstances, who cares?)
too sophisticated for gingrich. i believe it was perry he offered to bet.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:42:44am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:43:12am |
re: #104 ralphieboy
Wasn’t that Perry?
Sorry yes. The bet was offered to Perry.
Gingrich on the matter:
“If Governor Romney would like to give back all of the money he’s earned from bankrupting companies and laying off employees over his years at Bain, then I would be glad to listen to him. And I bet you $10 - not $10,000 - that he won’t take the offer,”
I could have sworn he said something more pointed about it as well, but I can’t find that. Perry just said he wasn’t in the betting business.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:43:17am |
re: #106 rwmofo
Wow. Those were EXCELLENT post by yours truly. Thanks for the reminders. Note that I didn’t use the word “Deny” in either though, but made exceptionally valid points.
You have a very high opinion of yourself. But you should be aware that it’s obvious to most other people that you’re just parroting anti-science rubbish that you pick up from right wing sources like Fox News and Watts Up. And every point you made in those linked comments was garbage — either distortions of the truth, or outright lies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:43:54am |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some days? Honestly? I’m pissed that I wasn’t born a Kennedy.
Don’t be. They’ve got money, and influence, but the family is a nightmare. Plus, they have bad luck with planes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:44:54am |
re: #113 sattv4u2
Is the ‘media/democrat’ party trying to advantage Gingrich
It could be argued that if the media were for Obama they would prefer the weaker candidate (i.e. Gingrich) to emerge from the Repub primary
Does it assume Romney has already won the nomination, and is trying to put him in stark contrast with Obama’s humble origins
Again, under the scenario that the media prefers Obama over Romney that would play well to the non 1%ers
Both of these things are true. Of course, both of them suggest a degree of focus from the media that I’m not totally sure we can assume…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:44:57am |
re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But, many who lived there needed very special permission to move.
Oh, yeah, I didn’t forget that a lot of the residents couldn’t walk off the premises without permission.
Ironically, the poor slaves had to eat salted fish or fish they caught themselves, fruits and vegetables they grew, and whole grain bread or mush.
The whites got to eat refined sugar and refined flour, lots of beef and chicken and gravies, and cheese and eggs.
And again, I admitted to myself, I would have chosen Washington’s diet, unhealthier though it was. I don’t like fish.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:45:09am |
re: #93 kirkspencer
And now I have to tell on myself.
The article I linked, that said JFK had a wealth of “only” $1.9 million, was just the value of personal and real property. He put approximately 20 million into trusts for the wife and children.
That makes his wealth at the time just under 22 million. Multiply by 8 for inflation (actually a bit less but I’m simplifying) and the modern value is ~$176 million.
Which is still less than Romney, but which added to the other eight presidents since then makes a total wealth greater than Romney’s. Probably.
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JAFO Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:45:30am |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
The work a presidential candidate has done prior to running is relevant, as is the quality of that work.
The piece didn’t seem problematic to me. Even if it was, it was just low-grade media DERP. They made noise about how John Corzine was the richest man ever to run for governor of New Jersey, too, so that door does swing both ways.
Not to forget how much the media assailed John Kerry for his wife’s wealth.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:45:51am |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
Don’t be. They’ve got money, and influence, but the family is a nightmare. Plus, they have bad luck with planes.
Not to mention that scandal with that Austrian social upstart and womanizer…
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:45:54am |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
Gingrich is playing stupid across the board on this. He absolutely knows how the business that Romney is in works. His attacks on Romney have been astoundingly dishonest.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:46:41am |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
Don’t be. They’ve got money, and influence, but the family is a nightmare. Plus, they have bad luck with planes.
And, some people reeeally didn’t like them.
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zora Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:46:44am |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
Don’t be. They’ve got money, and influence, but the family is a nightmare. Plus, they have bad luck with planes.
and booze.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:46:45am |
re: #97 Sergey Romanov
For example, I think this comment qualifies as dishonest, and the explanations as to why are under it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
You’re killing me. Here’s the quick summary:
84 ethics charges leveled by partisan political operatives.
83 immediately thrown out by a bi-partisan House comittee.
One charge was adjudicated over a tax question.
Gingrich tried to end it by prematurely and mistakenly agreeing to a settlement.
The media/democrat party then insisted on an IRS investigation.
The IRS fully exonerated Gingrich.
Here’s the CNN report on his exoneration.
This is way too easy.
Off to the gym now. It’s been fun.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:46:48am |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Both of these things are true. Of course, both of them suggest a degree of focus from the media that I’m not totally sure we can assume…
Neither can (do) I
If the media were to smell blood in the water, it doesn’t matter to them if it’s a “D” or an “R” (or an “I”)
The old adage still holds true
If it bleeds, it leads
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:47:15am |
re: #124 mracb
Not to forget how much the media assailed John Kerry for his wife’s wealth.
I’m not a big Kerry fan, but the things he got attacked for were just plain stupid.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:47:42am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gingrich is playing stupid across the board on this. He absolutely knows how the business that Romney is in works. His attacks on Romney have been astoundingly dishonest.
But very, very neatly done.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:48:02am |
re: #125 ralphieboy
Not to mention that scandal with that Austrian social upstart and womanizer…
Yeah, but the Kennedy’s don’t talk about that, because the upstart could break their necks like toothpicks if he wanted.
/kidding
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:48:18am |
re: #129 rwmofo
You’re killing me. Here’s the quick summary:
84 ethics charges leveled by partisan political operatives.
83 immediately thrown out by a bi-partisan House comittee.
One charge was adjudicated over a tax question.
Gingrich tried to end it by prematurely and mistakenly agreeing to a settlement.
The media/democrat party then insisted on an IRS investigation.
The IRS fully exonerated Gingrich.
Here’s the CNN report on his exoneration.
This is way too easy.
Off to the gym now. It’s been fun.
You haven’t addressed any of the criticisms. So, just more dishonesty. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:48:53am |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m not a big Kerry fan, but the things he got attacked for were just plain stupid.
He just had the problem of not being likeable. Everything they threw at him stuck.
So then they tried the same approach with Obama, but he was too likeable, it not only did not stick, but started to bounce back at them.
Will they learn? Not likely.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:49:46am |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
But very, very neatly done.
The day I saw a Republican attack a Republican because of his wealth? I opened my umbrella, because I was sure the either pigs or elephants (or both) were flying.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:50:01am |
re: #129 rwmofo
You’re killing me. Here’s the quick summary:
84 ethics charges leveled by partisan political operatives.
83 immediately thrown out by a bi-partisan House comittee.
One charge was adjudicated over a tax question.
Gingrich tried to end it by prematurely and mistakenly agreeing to a settlement.
The media/democrat party then insisted on an IRS investigation.
The IRS fully exonerated Gingrich.
Here’s the CNN report on his exoneration.
This is way too easy.
Off to the gym now. It’s been fun.
On Newt Gingrich you have a good point, rwmofo. But on global warming, you are greatly in error.
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FreedomMoon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:52:17am |
re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The day I saw a Republican attack a Republican because of his wealth? I opened my umbrella, because I was sure the either pigs or elephants (or both) were flying.
I think the late St. Reagan once famously said, “Republicans should brutally attack other Republicans in the name of getting ahead in the primaries, especially if your poll numbers are dipping.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:52:55am |
re: #138 Dark_Falcon
On Newt Gingrich you have a good point, rwmofo. But on global warming, you are greatly in error.
He doesn’t have a good point. He simply restated what he originally wrote.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:53:36am |
re: #139 tacuba14
I think the late St. Reagan once famously said, “Republicans should brutally attack other Republicans in the name of getting ahead in the primaries, especially if your poll numbers are dipping.”
Wait… I think he said nothing of the sort…
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Political Atheist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:54:07am |
re: #134 Sergey Romanov
You haven’t addressed any of the criticisms. So, just more dishonesty. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Would that not be redundant here? His flaws have been very well covered.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:54:12am |
How did I know this would end with rwmofo spiking the ball and declaring victory?
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Jerk Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:54:42am |
I don’t hate the fact that he’s rich, I hate that he said “I’m also unemployed” to a bunch of people.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:55:42am |
re: #144 Jerk
I don’t hate the fact that he’s rich, I hate that he said “I’m also unemployed” to a bunch of people.
[Video]
And there was the time he said that he too had been afraid of getting a “pink slip.”
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Interesting Times Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:56:05am |
re: #143 Charles
How did I know this would end with rwmofo spiking the ball and declaring victory?
Note he completely lacked the nerve to address the points I made about the US military. Dunning-Kruger narcissism and cowardice at its finest.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:56:16am |
re: #134 Sergey Romanov
You haven’t addressed any of the criticisms. So, just more dishonesty. Quod erat demonstrandum.
I think he simply takes it for granted that most major media outlets lean left.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:57:17am |
I’ve got to get going, but I’ll be back later.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:57:23am |
re: #145 Charles
And there was the time he said that he too had been afraid of getting a “pink slip.”
Yeah, like then he’d have to go on foodstamps and his house would be foreclosed.
1%er Asshole.
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FreedomMoon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:58:56am |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wait… I think he said nothing of the sort…
Or maybe it was the complete opposite, who knows anymore. Since Newt is clearly a doppelganger of Reagan I usually just attribute everything he does to following in Reagan’s shoes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:59:43am |
re: #150 tacuba14
Yeah, I thought that was clever.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:59:48am |
re: #144 Jerk
I don’t hate the fact that he’s rich, I hate that he said “I’m also unemployed” to a bunch of people.
[Video]
If you pull back far enough, the MBF will always kick in, but it is about the POV of the 2012 elections: Romney is seen as clearly on the side of the 1%, and does not give any impression of wanting to change anything for the benefit of the other 99%.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:01:55pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
I think he simply takes it for granted that most major media outlets lean left.
We were not talking about media outlets. We were talking about his dishonest treatment of the Gingrich issue. For example, he never addressed these comments:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:05:50pm |
West Point invited former Lt. Col. Boykin to West Point’s National Prayer Breakfast.
Earlier today, ThinkProgress reported that ret. Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin — an individual who steadfastly believes that Islam is “a totalitarian way of life” and deserves no Constitutional protection — will be the invited guest speaker at West Point’s National Prayer Breakfast.
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FreedomMoon Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:10:55pm |
re: #153 Sergey Romanov
We were not talking about media outlets. We were talking about his dishonest treatment of the Gingrich issue. For example, he never addressed these comments:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Newt’s response would be “You’re lying! This is carpet-bombing!”
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:16:59pm |
re: #154 ProLifeLiberal
Well, that’s dumber than a bathtub full of hipsters.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:17:16pm |
re: #139 tacuba14
I think the late St. Reagan once famously said, “Republicans should brutally attack other Republicans in the name of getting ahead in the primaries, especially if your poll numbers are dipping.”
“You heard the sheriff, boys. No more shooting till the sun goes down.”
“Is that what he said?”
“That’s close enough, brother. Drinks are on the house.”
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:18:25pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
I don’t know, Hipsters are pretty stupid.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:21:13pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
Well, that’s dumber than a bathtub full of hipsters.
“Everything was groovy till Marsha turned on the shower and like TOTALLY ruined Janes headdress!”
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allegro Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:24:26pm |
re: #152 ralphieboy
If you pull back far enough, the MBF will always kick in, but it is about the POV of the 2012 elections: Romney is seen as clearly on the side of the 1%, and does not give any impression of wanting to change anything for the benefit of the other 99%.
“Corporations are people, my friends.”
That’s it right there.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:28:14pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
Well, that’s dumber than a bathtub full of hipsters.
shrug. I’ve got some college photos around, somewhere, that make this seem the height of wit and wisdom.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:28:24pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
Well, that’s dumber than a bathtub full of hipsters.
Do you know how many “Mr. Clean Magic Erasers” it will take to get that tub clean again?
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:29:50pm |
re: #161 kirkspencer
Yeah, I was a big idiot in college too.
It’s really the 30 year old hipsters that annoy me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:32:05pm |
re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do you know how many “Mr. Clean Magic Erasers” it will take to get that tub clean again?
(Oops… I read that as “hippies”. Freudian misunderstanding.)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:33:26pm |
Yesterday (or today, depending on where you are) there was a motor rally in Moscow in support of honest elections. Some photos:
[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com…]
Estimates of participating cars range from hunderds (official police estimate, not to be trusted of course) to thousands.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:33:29pm |
re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:33:53pm |
re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do you know how many “Mr. Clean Magic Erasers” it will take to get that tub clean again?
By the way… “Magic Erasers” are a fairly new product discovery of mine. They work really well. Probably made of something that fell from outer space.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:34:29pm |
re: #165 Sergey Romanov
(White is the official color of all honest elections actions.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:38:12pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:42:32pm |
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recusancy Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:47:50pm |
re: #106 rwmofo
Wow. Those were EXCELLENT post by yours truly. Thanks for the reminders. Note that I didn’t use the word “Deny” in either though, but made exceptionally valid points.
Newt? Is that you?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:47:58pm |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
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recusancy Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:53:20pm |
re: #163 Obdicut
Yeah, I was a big idiot in college too.
It’s really the 30 year old hipsters that annoy me.
Why is that even considered being an idiot? Sometimes you just want to do weird shit and have fun.
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recusancy Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:54:15pm |
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TedStriker Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:56:27pm |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way… they are a fairly new product discovery of mine. They work really well. Probably made of something that fell from outer space.
Melamine: the same stuff that made its way into Chinese milk and infant formula a few years ago. Combined with formaldehyde, it can be turned into the stuff that makes the Magic Erasers or a harder plastic.
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:56:58pm |
re: #89 Ojoe
Palin will probably be president one day.
Now that is funny. Also scary, and not going to happen. Ever.
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Kronocide Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:58:12pm |
re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow, I bet that water is gross.
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recusancy Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:59:55pm |
fivethirtyeight: WSJ claims “a large number of scientists don’t believe” that CO2—>warming. Even most skeptics believe that. [Link: t.co…]
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:01:38pm |
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jaunte Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:02:02pm |
Sat: West tells POTUS to “get the hell out of America.”
Sun: West welcomed onto @FaceTheNation as serious GOP leader; #beholdliberalmedia
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:02:17pm |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way… “Magic Erasers” are a fairly new product discovery of mine. They work really well. Probably made of something that fell from outer space.
I took my 70s pioneer turntable in for an adjustment and a new stylus. The guys told me to use a small piece of magic eraser to gently clean the needle.
Also I have removed watermarks from old vintage art prints. Great stuff!
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erik_t Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:03:57pm |
re: #181 jaunte
Sat: West tells POTUS to “get the hell out of America.”
Sun: West welcomed onto @FaceTheNation as serious GOP leader; #beholdliberalmedia
Of the long list of embarrassing members of government foisted upon us (in not-necessarily-MBF’d numbers) by all parties, I cannot think of a one who can even come close to the Detestable Mr. West.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:04:23pm |
re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
NSFWOFAER
That is so nasty!
Where did you FIND that? You Googled Tubgirls?
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:16:56pm |
Who are the possible third party contenders on the right?
Paul, and who else?
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Targetpractice Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:20:44pm |
re: #185 Obdicut
Who are the possible third party contenders on the right?
Paul, and who else?
IIRC, Johnson’s still making a bid. Trump’s considered an outside chance. Others are, as of now, a mystery.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:21:21pm |
re: #86 erik_t
Facts have a well-known liberal bias.
So does reality. That pisses a lot of people off, for some reason.
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:22:53pm |
The GOP is in real disarray right now. With Newt fading, the only two “flavors of the week” left are Paul and Santorum.
As mentioned, Santorum has been dropping in the polls and has a sick daughter, but he also championed views that are right in line with what the base is looking for and seen by some as decent Romney alternative.
Paul of course, is quite the wild card. Some liberals love him, some hate him. Some conservatives love him, some hate him. Many of his views are in line with the base, but enough of them are not that many of them will not vote for him.
They may however, prefer Paul over Romney and Obama.
There’s also the possibility that Gingrich could resurface as a VP nominee.
At this point, I think the best potential ticket the GOP has is Romney/Christie, but I still don’t see them uniting the party enough to beat Obama.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:23:13pm |
re: #181 jaunte
Sat: West tells POTUS to “get the hell out of America.”
Sun: West welcomed onto @FaceTheNation as serious GOP leader; #beholdliberalmedia
Yeah, pretty much. A congressman who should thank his stars daily that he’s not in prison right now tells the POTUS to leave the country, and he gets a free pass about it when he goes on TV.
“Liberal media” indeed.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:23:26pm |
re: #184 Alouette
Where did you FIND that? You Googled Tubgirls?
Google image, “Hippies bathtub” and, lo and behold…
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:24:00pm |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Google image, “Hippies bathtub” and, lo and behold…
Now of all the things to Google…
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JAFO Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:24:03pm |
re: #185 Obdicut
Who are the possible third party contenders on the right?
Paul, and who else?
… or maybe there’s a new Celebrity Apprentice coming up soon and this is all publicity.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:24:34pm |
re: #185 Obdicut
Who are the possible third party contenders on the right?
Paul, and who else?
The only one that matters is Ron Paul. If he launches a third party bid, it’s 1992 all over again, because he will pull from both parties.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:24:44pm |
re: #192 mracb
I doubt Trump will make an actual run. I think it exposes his finances to too much scrutiny.
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:27:21pm |
re: #185 Obdicut
Who are the possible third party contenders on the right?
Paul, and who else?
If Romney wins the nomination? I wouldn’t put it past Palin.
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:28:17pm |
re: #195 blueraven
If Romney wins the nomination? I wouldn’t put it past Palin.
I would laugh if she did that. She’d get the freepers, religious bigots and wingnuts that refuse to vote for a Mormon and doom the GOP for sure.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:28:56pm |
re: #195 blueraven
If Romney wins the nomination? I wouldn’t put it past Palin.
It’d be a way for her to make a lot of money, and make a lot of money for her cronies, so quite possible.
Especially now that her role as kingmaker is flaccid.
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blueraven Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:30:40pm |
re: #197 Obdicut
It’d be a way for her to make a lot of money, and make a lot of money for her cronies, so quite possible.
Especially now that her role as kingmaker is flaccid.
And hit the “establishment” where it hurts.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:30:47pm |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Google image, “Hippies bathtub” and, lo and behold…
Hippies never bathe.
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McSpiff Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:33:22pm |
Gingrich campaign to traveling press: Find your own damn ride
Heh, I love a good implosion. Sounds like Newt is getting low on cash to me…
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:35:59pm |
re: #181 jaunte
Sat: West tells POTUS to “get the hell out of America.”
Sun: West welcomed onto @FaceTheNation as serious GOP leader; #beholdliberalmedia
That disgrace to the uniform should be making big rocks into little rocks for at least the next decade at Leavenworth. But only the enlisted ranks ever pay for the officer’s crimes.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:03:16pm |
If you want another point of comparison between JFK and Romney, JFK served in WWII despite a medical disqualification.
Mitt Romney got a student deferment and then a ministerial deferment. He got to go to France. Lucky Mitt.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:16:28pm |
I haven’t seen the Birfers challenge Mitt’s qualification as a “Natural Born Citizen” even though his father was born in Mexico!
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Mentis Fugit Sun, Jan 29, 2012 2:28:31pm |
re: #94 Dark_Falcon
That’s borderline pet abuse right there. Not to mention making the dog a target for airspeeder attacks.
/Stay on Target!
Wait until you see what he did with his canaries.
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Ming Sun, Jan 29, 2012 3:15:45pm |
re: #37 zora
Newt impresses me as a classic sociopath: the rules apply to others but not to him. Others, like poor kids in school, should work as janitors. Not Newt, who’s supported by his parents and his wives. Others should fight and die for their country, but not Newt, who got marriage and student deferments (much like Dick Cheney).
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Ming Sun, Jan 29, 2012 3:22:44pm |
re: #129 rwmofo
Rule: When referring to the Democratic Party, the adjective is “Democratic”. Not “Democrat”, and not “democrat”.
“Democratic”. Notice the “ic” at the end.
I believe it was the renowned Frank Luntz who said on Fox News that his research with focus groups showed that using “Democrat” as an adjective is a great way to show disrespect for the Democratic Party, because of the ending in “rat”. It’s psychology, you see!
“Democrat” is a noun. “Democratic” is an adjective.
The correct words are: a Republican (person), a Democrat (person), the Democratic Party, the Republican Party.
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BongCrodny Sun, Jan 29, 2012 3:29:50pm |
re: #207 Ming
Rule: When referring to the Democratic Party, the adjective is “Democratic”. Not “Democrat”, and not “democrat”.
“Democratic”. Notice the “ic” at the end.
I believe it was the renowned Frank Luntz who said on Fox News that his research with focus groups showed that using “Democrat” as an adjective is a great way to show disrespect for the Democratic Party, because of the ending in “rat”. It’s psychology, you see!
“Democrat” is a noun. “Democratic” is an adjective.
The correct words are: a Republican (person), a Democrat (person), the Democratic Party, the Republican Party.
You won’t get anywhere with that knucklehead. He’s used the phrase “media/democrat party” dozens, if not hundreds, of times.
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BongCrodny Sun, Jan 29, 2012 3:31:16pm |
re: #194 Obdicut
I doubt Trump will make an actual run. I think it exposes his finances to too much scrutiny.
I forget: does Trump have more divorces or bankruptcies?
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Lidane Sun, Jan 29, 2012 3:34:22pm |
re: #207 Ming
He doesn’t care. There’s too much thought and nuance required to remember all that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:46:24pm |
re: #204 Alouette
I haven’t seen the Birfers challenge Mitt’s qualification as a “Natural Born Citizen” even though his father was born in Mexico!
That could change once the wingnuts realize they can’t possibly give the nomination to a not-Mitt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:49:30pm |
re: #208 BongCrodny
You won’t get anywhere with that knucklehead. He’s used the phrase “media/democrat party” dozens, if not hundreds, of times.
I have tried to encourage rwmofo to participate in an appropriate way by updinging everything he writes that includes the words ‘DemocratIC Party’, and praising him for having done so.
I thought we were making some progress. Oh well, slips are to be expected.
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BongCrodny Sun, Jan 29, 2012 5:29:38pm |
re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist
I have tried to encourage rwmofo to participate in an appropriate way by updinging everything he writes that includes the words ‘DemocratIC Party’, and praising him for having done so.
I thought we were making some progress. Oh well, slips are to be expected.
Good intentions always deserve an upding. :-)
However, I think anybody who can get a -21 karma rating from one post is trying like hell to get that kind of reception.
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