Susan G. Komen Official Resigned in Protest Over Planned Parenthood Cut-Off

Founder of Komen Foundation posts a non-explanation explanation
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This video is titled “Straight Talk from Ambassador Nancy G. Brinker, Founder and CEO of Susan G. Komen,” the official response to the outrage that followed the Komen Foundation’s defunding of Planned Parenthood breast cancer screening programs.

Brinker says their grants to Planned Parenthood were canceled because they have “new standards,” which for unstated reasons excluded Planned Parenthood.

Notice: she says all this without once mentioning the words, “Planned Parenthood.” And she never explains how Planned Parenthood failed to meet their “new standards.”

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In the Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg has a piece on the controversy, citing three sources within the Komen Foundation who say the “new standards” were adopted specifically to give their anti-abortion VP for public policy, Karen Handel, an excuse to cut off Planned Parenthood: Top Susan G. Komen Official Resigned in Protest Over Planned Parenthood Cave-In.

An entirely avoidable, and deeply regrettable, controversy has been raging this week over the decision by the (formerly highly esteemed) Susan G. Komen For the Cure foundation, the world’s leading breast-cancer research advocacy group, to cut its support for Planned Parenthood, which used Komen dollars (about $600,000 annually) to pay for breast-screening exams for poor people. (The Atlantic’s Nicholas Jackson has an excellent summary of the controversy so far.)

Komen, the marketing juggernaut that brought the world the ubiquitous pink ribbon campaign, says it cut-off Planned Parenthood because of a newly adopted foundation rule prohibiting it from funding any group that is under formal investigation by a government body. (Planned Parenthood is being investigated by Rep. Cliff Stearns, an anti-abortion Florida Republican, who says he is trying to learn if the group spent public money to provide abortions.)

But three sources with direct knowledge of the Komen decision-making process told me that the rule was adopted in order to create an excuse to cut-off Planned Parenthood. (Komen gives out grants to roughly 2,000 organizations, and the new “no-investigations” rule applies to only one so far.) The decision to create a rule that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, according to these sources, was driven by the organization’s new senior vice-president for public policy, Karen Handel, a former gubernatorial candidate from Georgia who is staunchly anti-abortion and who has said that since she is “pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood.” (The Komen grants to Planned Parenthood did not pay for abortion or contraception services, only cancer detection, according to all parties involved.) I’ve tried to reach Handel for comment, and will update this post if I speak with her.

Three sources told me the organization’s top public health official, Mollie Williams, resigned in protest immediately following the Komen board’s decision to cut off Planned Parenthood.

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1 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:14:47am

She also references an American's United for Life talking point in that video:

"... and where ever possible we want to grant to the provider who is actually providing the life saving mammogram."

AUL made a big stink about how PP mostly refers women for actual mammograms, but that of course completely misses the point. The public policy imperative being served is that when you're a breast cancer charity you obviously go to where the breasts are, and for many women PP may be the only regular medical checkup they get. So when a woman goes in for pap tests, HPV tests, pelvic exams, birth control, etc. PP will also do breast exams to look for lumps and also teach women how to do self exams. If anything suspicious is found they then provide mammogram referrals. This leads to early detection which saves lives.

2 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:16:52am

Komen made stupid people believe in their marketing campaign that Buying Pink Shit Cures Cancer.

3 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:18:12am

This situation is as clear as can be. There is little doubt about motives and none about actions and decisions made. The saddest thing is each misstep hurts women in very fundamental way. The pink ribbon has a stain that will not easily wash out.

4 erik_t  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:18:21am

re: #2 Alouette

Komen made stupid people believe in their marketing campaign that Buying Pink Shit Cures Cancer.

Or more cynically, that Buying Pink Shit Shows I've Helped and Therefore Absolves Me of All Need to Do Anything Else About the Problem.

See also: facebook posts about Darfur.

5 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:20:27am

re: #4 erik_t

Or more cynically, that Buying Pink Shit Shows I've Helped and Therefore Absolves Me of All Need to Do Anything Else About the Problem.

See also: facebook posts about Darfur.

If you don't "Like" my Pink Ribbon Facebook Profile it means that you want everybody to die of cancer!

If you do "Like" my Pink Ribbon Facebook Profile it means that we will spam you with ads for Pink Shit!

6 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:22:11am

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

This situation is as clear as can be. There is little doubt about motives and none about actions and decisions made. The saddest thing is each misstep hurts women in very fundamental way. The pink ribbon has a stain that will not easily wash out.

I'm not sure this is a bad thing, really. I'm not all that convinced it had much value anymore. Too much of the focus as been on "awareness" and not enough on treatment, prevention, or any of the many other health issues women have.

7 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:22:55am

The great "Pink ribbon" scam is coming to a screeching halt as their true face is revealed. I believe the CEO or Brinker herself rakes in close to 400,000 a year in salary alone.

8 brennant  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:23:01am

... so I would assume that there will be women who will not be getting screened now by PP. These women could develop full blow breast cancer and die.

All so one VP can "protect life". That doesn't make sense to me.

9 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:23:37am

re: #5 Alouette

If you don't "Like" my Pink Ribbon Facebook Profile it means that you want everybody to die of cancer!

If you do "Like" my Pink Ribbon Facebook Profile it means that we will spam you with ads for Pink Shit!

Horrible Admission of Outdatedness: When I first saw the new Alabama "Pink and Proud" license plates, my first thought was "Gee, the gays are making great inroads, even here."

10 Randall Gross  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:24:03am

re: #2 Alouette

Komen made stupid people believe in their marketing campaign that Buying Pink Shit Cures Cancer.

They finally took the pink slime out of burgers at the golden arches.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]


People who harness charities to politics are terminally dunderheaded.

11 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:24:57am

re: #7 Gus 802

The great "Pink ribbon" scam is coming to a screeching halt as their true face is revealed.

On that note, this is a pretty good article, IMO:

The Accidental Rebranding of Komen for the Cure

12 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:25:16am

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Horrible Admission of Outdatedness: When I first saw the new Alabama "Pink and Proud" license plates, my first thought was "Gee, the gays are making great inroads, even here."

So who owns the word and the color Pink, is it Komen, the Gays, or the singer?

13 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:25:29am

Smiling Faces.

14 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:26:06am
15 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:26:07am

re: #12 Alouette

So who owns the word and the color Pink, is it Komen, the Gays, or the singer?

Given how Komen has been with branding in recent years, I'm sure they have it trademarked in 100 ways.

16 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:27:04am

re: #15 Simply Sarah

Given how Komen has been with branding in recent years, I'm sure they have it trademarked in 100 ways.

So Pink have to pay them royalties every time she performs?

17 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:27:39am

re: #11 Lidane

On that note, this is a pretty good article, IMO:

The Accidental Rebranding of Komen for the Cure

Exactly. And the new VP, as we all know by now, is out to destroy Planned Parenthood.

18 erik_t  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:27:47am

re: #6 Simply Sarah

I'm not sure this is a bad thing, really. I'm not all that convinced it had much value anymore. Too much of the focus as been on "awareness" and not enough on treatment, prevention, or any of the many other health issues women have.

So much this. I think we're all reasonably aware that breast cancer is a thing. That should probably not be your #1 focus.

19 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:27:51am

re: #12 Alouette

So who owns the word and the color Pink, is it Komen, the Gays, or the singer?

British Special Air Service

Image: 3608574678_962871a666.jpg

20 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:28:14am

"Some might argue that our standards are too exacting..."

What bullshit.

21 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:28:55am

I'm done with supporting anything related to the Komen group.

22 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:29:13am

re: #20 jaunte

"Some might argue that our standards are too exacting..."

What bullshit.

I think what they meant to say was "Too exactly tailored to specifically exclude Planned Parenthood."

23 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:29:32am

The singer actually calls herself P!nk. To avoid trademark issues with Komen I guess.

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:31:05am

re: #5 Alouette

If you don't "Like" my Pink Ribbon Facebook Profile it means that you want everybody to die of cancer!

If you do "Like" my Pink Ribbon Facebook Profile it means that we will spam you with ads for Pink Shit!

This did not annoy me nearly so much as the "bra color" on facebook garbage.

Really, honestly, the public awareness of breast cancer is as maxed out as it can get. Cancer needs money, not people being aware it exists, and I didn't see what posting my bra color on facebook could possibly do to help anyone, other than make me look concerned and compassionate.

25 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:31:46am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm done with supporting anything related to the Komen group.

But you should find a replacement effort to achieve the valued end.

26 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:32:09am

re: #22 Simply Sarah

I think what they meant to say was "Too exactly tailored to specifically exclude Planned Parenthood."

Thank you for cutting off funding...

27 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:32:17am

re: #24 EmmmieG

This did not annoy me nearly so much as the "bra color" on facebook garbage.

Really, honestly, the public awareness of breast cancer is as maxed out as it can get. Cancer needs money, not people being aware it exists, and I didn't see what posting my bra color on facebook could possibly do to help anyone, other than make me look concerned and compassionate.

There are other forms of cancer which are far more deadly but Komen never mentioned them. Pancreatic cancer, anyone?

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:33:01am

re: #27 Alouette

There are other forms of cancer which are far more deadly but Komen never mentioned them. Pancreatic cancer, anyone?

Yeah, but "Save the Pancreas" doesn't sound as cool as "Save the Ta-tas" does.

29 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:33:06am

I will say this, though. I have to thank SGK for finally getting me off my ass to donate to PP. I've regretted not doing so in the past and I'm no longer going to make that mistake.

30 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:33:12am
31 AK-47%  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:35:38am

re: #24 EmmmieG

This did not annoy me nearly so much as the "bra color" on facebook garbage.

Yes, there are much more interesting ways to go about finding out what color bras women are wearing...

But in general, we are dealing with people who do not just like Planned Parenthood with capital letters, they seem to be troubled by the very concept of planning parenthood. That is supposed to be left to God's will (and their husband's doing...)

32 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:35:42am

re: #28 EmmmieG

Yeah, but "Save the Pancreas" doesn't sound as cool as "Save the Ta-tas" does.

And sadly, this is a huge part of the focus on breast cancer. I mean, yes, it hits a lot of women and yes it's horrible, but it's also far easier to market than other types. And I don't like the utter focus on breasts in regards to women. Forgive me if I find that a bit objectifying.

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:36:00am

re: #23 Alouette

The singer actually calls herself P!nk. To avoid trademark issues with Komen I guess.

I'm afraid she will have to go by "Punk" now. That's the law. I looked it up. /

34 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:36:15am

Wave Of Donations Help Planned Parenthood Make Up Most Of Komen's Funding

Planned Parenthood says a flurry of new donations over the past couple of days has essentially made up the funding gap left by Susan G. Komen for the Cure's decision to discontinue funding for the organization.

Bloomberg reports that as of Wednesday afternoon, Planned Parenthood had received $400,000 in pledges from 6,000 donors. Planned Parenthood also said that an emergency fund was started with a $250,000 gift from the foundation of the Texas oil baron Lee Fikes and his wife Amy.

That totals $650,000, which is not far from the $680,000 that Komen gave Planned Parenthood last year.

35 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:37:13am

Hah... National Review isn't buying it either:

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Komen Explains Itself
By Kathryn Jean Lopez
February 1, 2012 11:08 P.M.

Don’t buy the Planned Parenthood company line …
[video]

There's just that one line, the ellipses and the Komen PR video.

[edit: wait, nevermind, I completely misread this. Lopez is actually arguing that this video is proof that Planned Parenthood's version of events is wrong. So it's actually National Review in denial here.]

36 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:38:12am

re: #32 Simply Sarah

And sadly, this is a huge part of the focus on breast cancer. I mean, yes, it hits a lot of women and yes it's horrible, but it's also far easier to market than other types. And I don't like the utter focus on breasts in regards to women. Forgive me if I find that a bit objectifying.

True enough, but part of the argument is that breast cancer is one of the most fixable. Well-directed information and screening bucks return a lot of bang.

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:38:29am

Okay, I'm sorry to be picky here, but you know I'm more interested in facts than hype:

If the breast cancer screenings were part of more comprehensive female exams (mine always are, although my lady doctor's office sends me for mammograms now routinely because of my age), what will go away when the $600,000 goes away. Will they just skip that part? Will they do fewer screenings? Did it pay for training for the nurses and doctors, or for pamphlets to go home with women on how to do their own exams?

If the exams were part of the full-female workup, what did the $600,000 pay for? (Please note that I gave several possibilities.)

38 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:38:49am

Megan McArdle over at The Atlantic fails at life again:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

39 Big Steve  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:40:43am

I guess, for a change, this is something we can't blame on men.

40 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:40:45am

Romney Campaign Complains Candidate's Entire Life Is Taken Out Of Context

gilded age businessman intended to be running in election of 1884

41 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:41:37am

re: #38 Lidane

Megan McArdle over at The Atlantic fails at life again:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

If some of this is the case than Komen should flat out and announce that they oppose abortion even if the life of a mother is in danger. IOW, if a pregnant woman has breast cancer and an abortion can prevent her death they would have to oppose it. That would be the common (extremist) pro-life stance.

42 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:02am

re: #39 Big Steve

I guess, for a change, this is something we can't blame on men.

Yeah, it's probably Occupy Oakland.

43 shutdown  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:03am

Go me! I made it 38 seconds in to Brinker's video before my bullshit detectors drowned her out.

44 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:17am

re: #37 EmmmieG

Okay, I'm sorry to be picky here, but you know I'm more interested in facts than hype:

If the breast cancer screenings were part of more comprehensive female exams (mine always are, although my lady doctor's office sends me for mammograms now routinely because of my age), what will go away when the $600,000 goes away. Will they just skip that part? Will they do fewer screenings? Did it pay for training for the nurses and doctors, or for pamphlets to go home with women on how to do their own exams?

If the exams were part of the full-female workup, what did the $600,000 pay for? (Please note that I gave several possibilities.)

I'm honestly not sure all the details. I hope it wasn't pamphlets, since to my knowledge it has been demonstrated that breast self-exams, despite everything we've all been told for years, are at best completely unless and at worst can actually cause net harm.

45 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:22am

re: #12 Alouette

So who owns the word and the color Pink, is it Komen, the Gays, or the singer?

Did you say Pink?

[Link: www.wat.tv...]

46 allegro  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:28am

re: #31 ralphieboy

Yes, there are much more interesting ways to go about finding out what color bras women are wearing...

But in general, we are dealing with people who do not just like Planned Parenthood with capital letters, they seem to be troubled by the very concept of planning parenthood. That is supposed to be left to God's will (and their husband's doing...)

What we're seeing now just as we saw a few months ago when some states were trying to defund Planned Parenthood is that fucking with PP is guaranteed to mobilize the Uteratis with an estrogen force that will crush anyone who persists. The agency has taken care of too many of us when we were in need of birth control and health care. Koman doesn't even come close to rating the same amount of loyalty and are likely hanging themselves with those pretty pink exploitive ribbons.

47 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:35am

The video still of Brinker looks like she's preparing to spit poison onto an unsuspecting rodent before detaching her mandible.

48 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:42:46am

re: #42 Olsonist

Yeah, it's probably Occupy Oakland.

No, no, no. Nancy Pelosi. Get your facts straight.

//

49 shutdown  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:43:21am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The video still of Brinker looks like she's preparing to spit poison onto an unsuspecting rodent before detaching her mandible.

All I could think when I saw her is that she and Tipper Gore share the same Dybbuk.

50 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:43:25am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The video still of Brinker looks like she's preparing to spit poison onto an unsuspecting rodent before detaching her mandible.

I think it was taped in Stepford.

//

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:44:02am

re: #48 Gus 802

No, no, no. Nancy Pelosi. Get your facts straight.

//

That's just pedantic nitpicking. Everybody knows Nancy Pelosi is the Queen of Occupy Oakland.

52 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:44:38am

Image: 2010pie.jpg

Komen had record revenues in 2010 of $389M.

...only 15 percent of Komen’s resources for 2010 were allocated to research the following year.

[Link: komenwatch.org...]

53 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:45:29am

re: #51 Sergey Romanov

That's just pedantic nitpicking. Everybody knows Nancy Pelosi is the Queen of Occupy Oakland.

Wait a second. I thought it was Ahmadinejad and PressTV that controlled OWS?

//

54 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:45:45am

I hope to see all major sports to continue to make millions of dollars for Komen Charities by selling the color pink..I know there is some politics involved.. But I err on the side of fighting Cancer..
I lost both my folks from cancer..My emotions are raw..I'll buy pink stuff and wear it proudly.. And if the head of Komen acts like a d*ck.. Fine..We get her replaced and move on to the cure...
/ I feel better writing that...I can't fight cancer that hurt my family..But I can write about it..It helps..

55 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:45:50am

re: #53 Gus 802

Wait a second. I thought it was Ahmadinejad and PressTV that controlled OWS?

//

Aliens.

56 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:45:55am

re: #46 allegro

What we're seeing now just as we saw a few months ago when some states were trying to defund Planned Parenthood is that fucking with PP is guaranteed to mobilize the Uteratis with an estrogen force that will crush anyone who persists. The agency has taken care of too many of us when we were in need of birth control and health care. Koman doesn't even come close to rating the same amount of loyalty and are likely hanging themselves with those pretty pink exploitive ribbons.

To a degree. That being said, the anti-choice, anti-birth control crowd has still been very successful in gradually rolling back funding and protections for women's health. They just sometimes get greedy and push a bit too far at once.

57 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:46:27am

re: #39 Big Steve

I guess, for a change, this is something we can't blame on men.

KOCH BROTHERS!

58 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:46:41am

re: #53 Gus 802

Wait a second. I thought it was Ahmadinejad and PressTV that controlled OWS?

//

Technically, Pelosi is only a local satrap. She reports to Ahmadinejad via DailyKos diary entries.

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:46:47am

re: #53 Gus 802

Wait a second. I thought it was Ahmadinejad and PressTV that controlled OWS?

//

No contradiction. Mahmoud is the King of Occupy Oakland. PressTV is the HRH Lapdog of the Occupy Oakland.

60 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:46:59am

re: #32 Simply Sarah

I'm going to go into weird territory here, but why do most men focus so much on Boobs. Honestly. You don't see them that often, but you will always see the lady's face.

Besides, the face shows more of a person than their body. So, it's kind of shallow to pay more attention to things south of the face.

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:47:09am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aliens.

Nah, too easy.

62 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:47:36am

re: #58 Olsonist

Technically, Pelosi is only a local satrap. She reports to Ahmadinejad via DailyKos diary entries.

I thought it was through eye blinking? Now wait. She can't do that anymore since she's no longer Speaker of the House.

//

63 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:47:55am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aliens.

Quick! Call the History Channel!

/South Park

64 shutdown  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:48:06am

re: #54 HoosierHoops

re: #52 jaunte

Image: 2010pie.jpg

With respect, there are more efficient and direct ways to support cancer research. The American Cancer Society is one option [Link: www.cancer.org...]

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:48:32am

re: #62 Gus 802

I thought it was through eye blinking? Now wait. She can't do that anymore since she's no longer Speaker of the House.

//

She used to Morse it with that gavel, but now she has to use homing pigeons. Halal homing pigeons.

66 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:48:37am

re: #52 jaunte

Image: 2010pie.jpg

And with the expose movie coming out, they have royally screwed themselves. Good.

67 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:48:43am

re: #54 HoosierHoops

I hope to see all major sports to continue to make millions of dollars for Komen Charities by selling the color pink..I know there is some politics involved.. But I err on the side of fighting Cancer..
I lost both my folks from cancer..My emotions are raw..I'll buy pink stuff and wear it proudly.. And if the head of Komen acts like a d*ck.. Fine..We get her replaced and move on to the cure...
/ I feel better writing that...I can't fight cancer that hurt my family..But I can write about it..It helps..

Buying Pink Stuff does nothing to Cure Cancer! Komen is a marketing group.

Donate your money to Mayo Clinic or a hospital that does actual cancer research, do not buy into the Komen guilt that Buying Pink Shit Cures Cancer.

69 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:48:49am

re: #61 Sergey Romanov

Nah, too easy.

Neil Patrick Harris?

70 shutdown  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:48:50am

re: #60 ProLifeLiberal

I'm going to go into weird territory here, but why do most men focus so much on Boobs. Honestly. You don't see them that often, but you will always see the lady's face.

Besides, the face shows more of a person than their body. So, it's kind of shallow to pay more attention to things south of the face.

I'm sorry, did you say something after "Boobs"?

mmmm, boobs.....
:)

71 allegro  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:49:33am

re: #54 HoosierHoops

I hope to see all major sports to continue to make millions of dollars for Komen Charities by selling the color pink..I know there is some politics involved.. But I err on the side of fighting Cancer..
I lost both my folks from cancer..My emotions are raw..I'll buy pink stuff and wear it proudly.. And if the head of Komen acts like a d*ck.. Fine..We get her replaced and move on to the cure...
/ I feel better writing that...I can't fight cancer that hurt my family..But I can write about it..It helps..

I applaud donating to cancer research. Please continue! As we just saw in jaunte's #52 above, Koman only gave 15% of its $389 to research. Your money will be better spent going directly to those doing the research rather than lining corporate pockets. Just a suggestion.

72 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:49:40am

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

She used to Morse it with that gavel, but now she has to use homing pigeons. Halal homing pigeons.

Jihadist pigeons are a threat to are freedoms.

The bombing of pigeon coops will commence at once!

//

73 Big Steve  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:49:50am

re: #60 ProLifeLiberal

Boobs are to men what shoes are to women.....we like to look at them, touch them, and have many pairs available.

74 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:50:38am

re: #70 imp_62

My Point:

You illustrated it.

/half

75 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:50:49am

re: #73 Big Steve

Boobs are to men what shoes are to women...we like to look at them, touch them, and have many pairs available.

Boobs are like toys on Christmas day. They're for the kids, but Dad ends up playing with them.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:51:07am

re: #72 Gus 802

Jihadist pigeons are a threat to are freedoms.

The bombing of pigeon coops will commence at once!

//

Nah. Acid will do the trick. Call Amb. Brinker at once!

77 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:51:14am

re: #71 allegro

I applaud donating to cancer research. Please continue! As we just saw in jaunte's #52 above, Koman only gave 15% of its $389 to research. Your money will be better spent going directly to those doing the research rather than lining corporate pockets. Just a suggestion.

Agreed.

Find a charity or organization that will use your money for direct research and keep giving it to them. Buying pink ribbon stuff means most of the money goes to everything other than helping to cure cancer.

78 nines09  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:51:15am

The only thing you can do besides directly contribute to PP is to continue to express your displeasure with Komen and state that the Pink Ribbon now means nothing but a lost cause. Thank them for the corporate bullying they gave in to. Tell them they set a great example and you cannot help but feel it was just a scam all along. Tell them you have a new person to look up to; Mollie Williams. Charity with strings is no charity.

79 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:51:15am

re: #71 allegro

Research is what will find the cure; the money in the pie chart allocated to 'education' means advertising for the next year's contributions.

80 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:51:50am

Breaking news! PressTV is reporting that Ahmadinejad supports Planned Parenthood.

81 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:52:33am

re: #77 Lidane

Agreed.

Find a charity or organization that will use your money for direct research and keep giving it to them. Buying pink ribbon stuff means most of the money goes to everything other than helping to cure cancer.

And not only that but all those pink appliances look so tacky!

82 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:52:37am

re: #79 jaunte

Research is what will find the cure; the money in the pie chart allocated to 'education' means advertising for the next year's contributions.

How much was allocated to "mammograms?"

A very important question.

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:52:47am

re: #80 Gus 802

Mahmoud won't, but Castro will.

84 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:53:34am

re: #82 EmmmieG

They called out 12% for 'screening.'

85 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:53:42am

re: #60 ProLifeLiberal

I'm going to go into weird territory here, but why do most men focus so much on Boobs. Honestly. You don't see them that often, but you will always see the lady's face.

Besides, the face shows more of a person than their body. So, it's kind of shallow to pay more attention to things south of the face.

Well, I honestly haven't done much research into this. At the very least, a lot of it is cultural, where men (and others) obsess over them because breasts are made into sexual/forbidden objects by the mainstream culture. I figure most men couldn't give a good answer either, since so far none of them have given me one.

86 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:54:00am

12% = $46.8M

87 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:54:10am

re: #79 jaunte

Research is what will find the cure; the money in the pie chart allocated to 'education' means advertising for the next year's contributions.

It also means "lobbying", which Komen does a lot, and not always for women.

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:54:17am

re: #84 jaunte

They called out 12% for 'screening.'

Does that mean the two minutes of palpitating to feel for lumps, or mammograms?

89 allegro  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:54:55am

re: #79 jaunte

Research is what will find the cure; the money in the pie chart allocated to 'education' means advertising for the next year's contributions.

Yup. "Education" also means tax exempt 501(c)3 status so donations can be written off as charity as the pink ribbons help to sell more products through exploiting those with the disease. Nice racket.

90 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:56:55am

Hey wrenchwench, you might find this interesting

[Link: www.nmwild.org...]

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:57:30am

And just so we are clear: If PP was using the $600,000 to partially pay for comprehensive (all lady parts, not just the top story) exams, I'm okay with that.

I just want it stated clearly. I dislike unclear terms.

92 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:57:36am

re: #88 EmmmieG

I can't find it broken out that way.

Here's a group that differs with Komen on mammograms:

Komen’s “take action” emphasis continues to be on individual women getting annual mammograms.
...
Komen’s faith in mammograms to bring the “end to breast cancer” is misplaced.

-Mammograms don’t prevent breast cancer; they detect breast cancers that have already developed.
-Mammograms don’t detect all breast cancers: according to the National Cancer Institute, “mammograms miss up to 20 percent of breast cancers that are present at the time of screening.”
-And unfortunately, there are plenty of women diagnosed, by mammography, with early stage breast cancer who end up dying of breast cancer.

More women getting more mammograms is not going to end the breast cancer epidemic. Neither, of course, are healthy diets and good exercise regimes.
[Link: thinkbeforeyoupink.org...]

93 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:58:03am

re: #85 Simply Sarah

Well, I honestly haven't done much research into this. At the very least, a lot of it is cultural, where men (and others) obsess over them because breasts are made into sexual/forbidden objects by the mainstream culture. I figure most men couldn't give a good answer either, since so far none of them have given me one.

I think it is in our genes or something...Somebody said once that men should have boobs because we appreciate them so much more than women..
*wink*

94 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:59:08am

re: #12 Alouette

So who owns the word and the color Pink, is it Komen, the Gays, or the singer?

You can only trademark a color as it is integrated into your product and serves as a unique identifier, avoiding reasonable confusion. Owens Corning, for example, owns the trademark on pink fiberglass insulation.

95 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:59:11am

re: #87 Lidane

It also means "lobbying", which Komen does a lot, and not always for women.

Lobbying Spending Database-Susan G Komen For The Cure, 2011 | OpenSecrets

They have other years there including other tabs.

96 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:59:25am
97 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:59:41am

re: #93 HoosierHoops

I think it is in our genes or something...Somebody said once that men should have boobs because we appreciate them so much more than women..
*wink*

Hey, speak for yourself!

98 AK-47%  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:00:26pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

I think it is in our genes or something...Somebody said once that men should have boobs because we appreciate them so much more than women..
*wink*

Why are boobs like electric trains? They're made for kids but men love to play with them, too!

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:00:53pm

re: #92 jaunte

I can't find it broken out that way.

Here's a group that differs with Komen on mammograms:

I have two good friends whose lives were saved by early detection of breast cancer, and one who died regardless.

What would have happened to the two? Impossible to say, as we can't live our lives twice, but I do believe most doctors want mammograms.

100 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:01:44pm

One of their lobbyists.

Luray, Jennifer M
Lobbyist Profile: Summary, 2010

Luray joins Komen from Abbott Laboratories, a global health care company, where he spent the past five years as its senior director of government affairs and policy. She provided corporate strategic guidance for Abbott’s pharmaceutical, diagnostic and device businesses to Capitol Hill, the executive branch, trade associations and non-profit organizations.

101 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:01:47pm

re: #99 EmmmieG

I have two good friends whose lives were saved by early detection of breast cancer, and one who died regardless.

What would have happened to the two? Impossible to say, as we can't live our lives twice, but I do believe most doctors want mammograms.

Mammograms certainly have value. The question is who should get them, how often, and when. Earlier and more often isn't always the best approach.

102 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:02:14pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

I think it is in our genes or something...Somebody said once that men should have boobs because we appreciate them so much more than women..
*wink*

For the Farscape fans, when John and Aeryn swapped bodies

103 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:02:43pm

Revolving door. Big Pharma lobbyist working for Komen. Vely intellesting.

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:03:01pm

re: #101 Simply Sarah

Mammograms certainly have value. The question is who should get them, how often, and when. Earlier and more often isn't always the best approach.

Of course not. Your average 20 year old (as opposed to a 20 year old who has multiple incidences of breast cancer in her family) doesn't need one.

However, a poor 45 year old woman needs one, and might not be able to pay for it, and her family probably really needs her.

105 Simply Sarah  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:03:27pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

I think it is in our genes or something...Somebody said once that men should have boobs because we appreciate them so much more than women..
*wink*

I should also add that breasts are far less interesting when they're your own.

106 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:03:47pm

re: #45 Rightwingconspirator

Did you say Pink?

[Link: www.wat.tv...]

Oh, man, that's excellent! Next time I have to give a toast, I'll need to remember that. Thank you, sir.

107 allegro  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:05:00pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Lobbying Spending Database-Susan G Komen For The Cure, 2011 | OpenSecrets

They have other years there including other tabs.

A bill to prohibit the further extension or establishment of national monuments in Nevada except by express authorization of Congress.

WTF?

108 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:05:40pm

re: #107 allegro

WTF?

Got me. I was starting to look through some of their lobbying.

109 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:05:48pm

Florida Republican Forgets To Remove ALEC Mission Statement From Boilerplate Anti-Tax Bill

Progressives have long tried to expose the influence the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) wields in state house across the country, but one Florida lawmaker is making it too easy.

Funded almost entirely by large corporations, ALEC produces “model legislation” favorable to industry that state lawmakers can introduce as their own bills. Usually, the legislators tweak the language of the bills to make them state-specific or to obfuscate their origins. Usually, but apparently not always.

In November, Florida state Rep. Rachel Burgin (R) introduced a resolution (PDF here) that would officially call on the federal government to reduce corporate taxes, but she apparently forgot to remove ALEC’s mission statement from the top of the bill, which she seems to have copied word-for-word from ALEC’s model bill:

110 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:08:05pm

re: #108 Gus 802

Find out if their is some controversial monument or something proposed in Nevada.

111 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:08:55pm

They used Foley Hoag LLP in 2008 a great deal.

Foley Hoag LLP - 2008

Some of which included:

Susan G Komen For The Cure $390,000
Pfizer Inc $550,000
Eli Lilly & Co $430,000
Genzyme Corp $360,000
Gilead Sciences $240,000
GlaxoSmithKline $245,000

112 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:09:05pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Find out if their is some controversial monument or something proposed in Nevada.

What year?

113 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:10:28pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Find out if their is some controversial monument or something proposed in Nevada.

This one the notes regarding that specific bill:

Implementation of Pub. Law No. 111-148, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, primarily patient protection provisions and provisions on breast health education and appointments to advisory boards. H.R. 1, Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011, primarily matters related to appropriations for cancer research and cancer control programs. Implementation of Public Law No. 112-8, Further Additional Continuing Appropriations Amendments, 2011, primarily matters related to appropriations for cancer research and cancer control programs. H.R. 466 / S. 384, Breast Cancer Research Stamp Reauthorization Act. House Res 234 and Senate Res 144, Congressional Resolution for continued funding for the National Breast Cancer and Cervical Cancer Early Detection Program.

114 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:10:31pm

re: #105 Simply Sarah

I should also add that breasts are far less interesting when they're your own.

LOL
I'll say one thing.. I may have lived a shallow life..And I don't think I have.. I have been extremely blessed in all things.
I have never seen anything as gorgeous as a beautiful woman naked..Nothing. If I could draw a lick I'd be painting naked woman all day long in a studio..Dang it!

115 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:11:54pm

Doesn't seem to jive. Could be an Opensecrets error.

116 sagehen  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:13:28pm

re: #28 EmmmieG

Yeah, but "Save the Pancreas" doesn't sound as cool as "Save the Ta-tas" does.

In fairness, pancreatic cancer doesn't have easily findable early symptoms (if only people could be reminded to check!), there's not much in the way of treatment even if it were caught, and it's pretty rare.

Saving lots of people who'd otherwise die of breast cancer is much more doable.

117 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:14:37pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Beginning to think the same.

Bloomberg has come out in support of PP. Bloomberg frustrates me. Mostly because he takes positions I either love or hate.

118 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:15:09pm

re: #106 wlewisiii

Glad to share that. I'm a fan.

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:15:50pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Find out if their is some controversial monument or something proposed in Nevada.

Perhaps someone is thinking of creating the Ronald Reagan Memorial Nuclear Waste Dump? ///

120 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:17:05pm

re: #119 wlewisiii

Considering the effect Reagan and his fellow-travelers had on the US, it seems appropriate.

(Subtlely? Why would I do that?)

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:19:13pm

re: #118 Rightwingconspirator

Glad to share that. I'm a fan.

I became one when we were in Vietnam for our adoption. MTV Asia still played music and one of the biggest songs was "Don't Let Me Get Me" and I've followed her since. I've got the CD and have heard the song, don't know how I missed that video. Puts it into my mix rotation :D

122 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:19:18pm

Repost from this morning. This was Komen's new VP reacting to a DOJ inquiry over voter right in Georgia while she was Secretary of State there:

“DOJ has thrown open the door for activist organizations such as ACORN to register non-citizens to vote in Georgia’s elections, and the state has no ability to verify an applicant’s citizenship status or whether the individual even exists. DOJ completely disregarded Georgia’s obvious and direct interest in preventing non-citizens from voting, instead siding with the ACLU and MALDEF (The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund). “Clearly, politics took priority over common sense and good public policy.”

ACORN!!11ty, the ACLU and Mexicans are infringing on are states rights!

123 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:19:32pm

Brewer Pledged Cash For Immigration Fight, Instead Spent It Buying Copies Of Her Own Book

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) launched a special fundraising political action committee in October, pledging to use the money to fight illegal immigration and take on other issues she believes in. But based on financial disclosures filed this week, she has so far used it to do little more than buy copies of her own book.

The governor had raised only about $22,000 for Jan PAC by the end of 2011 and spent nearly a quarter of the cash, buying books from Amazon and paying a bill at the luxurious Waldorf Astoria hotel in Orlando, Fla. The rest of the money is still in the bank.

Brewer spent $3,423 on books and shipping from the online retailer, according to the financial reports. On her fundraising website, she offers a signed copy of her book “Scorpions for Breakfast” to every donor who gives $100 or more.

124 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:22:25pm

Rerun from previous thread:

IMHO, there is no possible redemption for the Komen Foundation. Too much has been disclosed about their activities, not just this PP decision.

125 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:22:29pm

re: #4 erik_t

See also: facebook posts about Darfur.

lyk dis if u cry ever teim

126 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:23:36pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Brewer Pledged Cash For Immigration Fight, Instead Spent It Buying Copies Of Her Own Book

Rerun from thread before the previous one:

She's going to 'build the damn fence' out of her books.

127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:24:17pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Rerun from thread before the previous one:

She's going to 'build the damn fence' out of her books.

They'd knock over pretty easy, even if you glued them together, and wouldn't hold up well to the weather.

128 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:24:49pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Brewer Pledged Cash For Immigration Fight, Instead Spent It Buying Copies Of Her Own Book

Financial crook? Color me surprised.

129 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:24:54pm

re: #127 EmmmieG

They'd knock over pretty easy, even if you glued them together, and wouldn't hold up well to the weather.

Sounds much like Ms. Brewer herself.

130 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:24:57pm

Boehner: Birth Control Mandate Is Unconstitutional

“I think this mandate violates our constitution,” Boehner told reporters on Thursday. “I think it violates the right of these religious organizations. And I would hope that the administration would back up and take another look.”

TPM put the constitutional question to a senior administration official, who didn’t sound too concerned about it.

“This decision was made after very careful consideration of legal and policy points,” the official said. “We think this is a balanced approach that really tries to respect religious belief while ensuring access to contraception for women.”

132 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:26:02pm

The infamous Palin endorsement which put Handel in the red over Palin's demands for a private jet.

Damn, what a scam. Another one.

133 sagehen  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:26:21pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

Does that mean the two minutes of palpitating to feel for lumps, or mammograms?

They feel for lumps, and if they find any they give the woman a voucher for a free mammogram -- they buy the vouchers at a bulk-rate discount, with money from the grants in question (PP offices don't have their own mammography machines).

134 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:27:02pm

@TPM Talking Points Memo
Mayor Bloomberg donating $250,000 to Planned Parenthood: [Link: t.co...]

135 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:27:26pm

re: #90 SpaceJesus

Hey wrenchwench, you might find this interesting

[Link: www.nmwild.org...]

Political posturing by folks who don't know what else to do. If it was at the congressional level, I'd curse Steve Pearce. At the state level, I'm not sure where to direct my venom.

136 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:27:52pm

re: #60 ProLifeLiberal

I blame National Geographic. /

Back on topic though, the reduction in funding to PP by Komen could reduce the number of mammograms and/or number of screenings generally given (total number of women's services reduced by some percentage).

Found this spreadsheet that tallies where the Komen funds went - they went to specific chapters of PP, not to a national PP for distribution.

And the Komen site is super-slow right now, probably because everyone trying to find data about tax records, where money went, etc. So I can't get in and verify the Form 990 and other data.

137 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:28:22pm

RWwatchMA RightWingWatch MA
If @LanceArmstrong @LiveStrong stopped investing funds based on abortion politics, he'd lose my $upport too bit.ly/xIMsz6 #mapoli #p2

Followed by...

@lancearmstrong Lance Armstrong
@RWwatchMA @LiveStrong it ain't gonna happen. ever.

[Link: twitter.com...]

138 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:28:28pm

re: #133 sagehen

They feel for lumps, and if they find any they give the woman a voucher for a free mammogram -- they buy the vouchers at a bulk-rate discount, with money from the grants in question (PP offices don't have their own mammography machines).

The funds paid for the mammogram vouchers?

This is concrete information that is very useful.

139 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:29:47pm

Oh brother. I can only do 4 minutes of Palin. What a joke.

140 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:30:23pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

IMHO, there is no possible redemption for the Komen Foundation. Too much has been disclosed about their activities, not just this PP decision.

I have to agree. I can't even look at anything pink without getting pissed off all over again. The more you really look into them as a company, the more of a scam they are.

141 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:31:01pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Oh brother. I can only do 4 minutes of Palin. What a joke.

I watched her for a good 30 minutes just last night.

Nevermind, that was Lisa Ann. My bad.

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:31:36pm

re: #140 Lidane

I have to agree. I can't even look at anything pink without getting pissed off all over again. The more you really look into them as a company, the more of a scam they are.

You mean their pink stuff.

Pink is just a color.

143 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:31:56pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Find out if their is some controversial monument or something proposed in Nevada.

I'm in Nevada and have no idea what they meant by that.

144 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:32:39pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

It appears to be from some jerk named Nunez

145 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:32:49pm

re: #143 Sionainn

I'm in Nevada and have no idea what they meant by that.

Could have been an amendment too. Doesn't have to be related.

146 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:33:06pm

re: #142 EmmmieG

You mean their pink stuff.

Pink is just a color.

Well yeah. Anything with a pink ribbon on it makes me angry now. I was in the bookstore earlier buying stuff and they had a whole section of pink ribbon stuff-- pens, post-it notes, etc. It made me want to hurl.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:35:02pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watched her for a good 30 minutes just last night.

Nevermind, that was Lisa Ann. My bad.

Dear Chasey Lane, I wrote to constrain, you never wrote me back...

148 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:35:14pm

re: #146 Lidane

Well yeah. Anything with a pink ribbon on it makes me angry now. I was in the bookstore earlier buying stuff and they had a whole section of pink ribbon stuff-- pens, post-it notes, etc. It made me want to hurl.

I've never bought any of it. If I want to donate to a cause, I research the cause and donate.

149 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:35:20pm

re: #137 Gus 802

RWwatchMA RightWingWatch MA
If @LanceArmstrong @LiveStrong stopped investing funds based on abortion politics, he'd lose my $upport too bit.ly/xIMsz6 #mapoli #p2

Followed by...

@lancearmstrong Lance Armstrong
@RWwatchMA @LiveStrong it ain't gonna happen. ever.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Good for Lance. He's an atheist, which makes it more difficult for the rwnjs to fear-monger him, probably.

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:35:51pm

re: #144 SpaceJesus

It appears to be from some jerk named Nunez

[Link: pbfcomics.com...]

151 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:36:12pm

Hilarious spam email

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152 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:36:18pm

re: #147 Sergey Romanov

Dear Chasey Lane, I wrote to constrain, you never wrote me back...

Mom and Dad, this is Chasey. Chasey, this is my Mom and Dad...

153 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:36:36pm

re: #140 Lidane

I have to agree. I can't even look at anything pink without getting pissed off all over again. The more you really look into them as a company, the more of a scam they are.

Their lobbying against bills that would restrict chemicals that cause cancer, and ties to Big Pharma do it for me.

154 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:36:53pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

Meanwhile, I think I just saw that the amount of money PP was getting from Komen was something like $600k.

I think PP actually made a bit of a gain off of this kerfuffle.

And Komen is now permanently damaged.

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:37:09pm

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mom and Dad, this is Chasey. Chasey, this is my Mom and Dad...

Now for that check-up...

157 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:41:14pm

Komen Head Claims Response To Planned Parenthood Decision Is ‘Very Very Favorable’

MITCHELL: What do you do about the fact that donors are pulling back. Some people would say that the anger that’s being expressed is going to hit you in the pocketbook. You have worked so hard to create a bipartisan organization. Look at your Facebook page. Your Facebook page has people cutting pink ribbons in half. Your branding is at stake.

BRINKER: Andrea, all I can tell you is that the responses we are getting are very, very favorable. People who have bothered to read the material, who have bothered to understand the issues — again we work for a mission, everyday of our lives.

The mission of selling pink crap?

158 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:41:36pm

Palin’s Need for a Private Jet Bankrupts a Republican Campaign

Remember when “common sense conservative” Sarah Palin went to Georgia to campaign for Karen Handel in her runoff with Nathan Deal? You better believe the Handel campaign does because they are still literally paying for Palin’s visit. Palin’s demand of a $92,000 private jet and a $13,000 hotel room left the campaign $83,000 in debt.

According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, “Handel’s campaign paid an Ohio jet charter service nearly $92,000 and her latest campaign finance report shows it was for the Palin event. Handel also paid an additional $13,000 in expenses to the InterContinental Hotel in Buckhead for the event. Handel’s quarterly report shows her campaign committee to be $28,000 in debt, with another $55,000 in outstanding expenses.”

Here is the important thing. Handel lost. Sarah Palin bilked the Handel campaign out of over $100,000 and left them defeated and in debt. In a race that Handel lost by only 2,579 votes, do you think the campaign is second guessing their decision to spend six figures on a jet and hotel rooms for Sarah Palin? That money could have been used to aid the get out the vote effort on Election Day instead of meeting Sarah Palin’s need to be treated like an A-lister?

This would of course be the same Karen Handel behind Komen's recent PP decision. Can we question her judgement already?

159 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:42:24pm

Wow, just noticed the tweets and Facebook Likes on that Ron Paul post. That one really took off!

And Alouette's post on the Koch Bros.-Komen connection is also getting a lot of Twitter action.

160 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:42:38pm

re: #154 ProLifeLiberal

Yes; Komen gave about $600k in the past year (maybe $700k a few years ago), but they've permanently damaged the brand. If they recant, they lose and anger the pro-lifers. They've lost support of pro-choicers, and have completely mismanaged this decision (setting aside the reason the decision needed to be made in the first place).

And who gets hurt by all this in the end? People who are hoping for a cure, and those women who might not get screenings that might otherwise uncover cancerous lumps at an early stage when they're quite treatable. It's a public health mess all the way around.

161 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:42:43pm

re: #158 Gus 802

Palin’s Need for a Private Jet Bankrupts a Republican Campaign

This would of course be the same Karen Handel behind Komen's recent PP decision. Can we question her judgement already?

She has become death, destroyer of worlds.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:42:46pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Komen Head Claims Response To Planned Parenthood Decision Is ‘Very Very Favorable’

The mission of selling pink crap?

You gotta love that condescension. OF COURSE we didn't bother to read the material. OF COURSE we didn't bother to understand the issues.

163 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:43:01pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She has become death, destroyer of worlds.

Mars?

164 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:43:10pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They are stuck in a little bubble. It will be their doom.

re: #158 Gus 802

Palin was always a grifter, and Handel has poor, poor judgement.

166 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:44:21pm

re: #160 lawhawk

But how much of the money actually went to research?

It seems that, at least in recent years, they have been fundraising to fundraise.

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:46:20pm

In Cairo protesters are being maced again.

168 sagehen  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:47:04pm

re: #154 ProLifeLiberal

Meanwhile, I think I just saw that the amount of money PP was getting from Komen was something like $600k.

I think PP actually made a bit of a gain off of this kerfuffle.

And Komen is now permanently damaged.

They got a quick $250k from some Texas oil guy, $400k in small donations from thousands of people around the country, and just this morning Bloomberg announced he's giving another $250k.

169 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:47:11pm

re: #167 Sergey Romanov

In Cairo protesters are being maced again.

Are the Oakland cops attending a film festival there?

170 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:47:17pm

re: #165 publicityStunted

I think I figured out why Karen Handel went for it /

Yikes. Was that it? A fully tricked out 737?

171 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:48:18pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Yikes. Was that it? A fully tricked out 737?

That's no private jet...

172 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:49:31pm

re: #167 Sergey Romanov

In Cairo protesters are being maced again.

I read earlier this morning that people were pissed that the police didn't prevent the soccer riot. It's kind of a no win situation. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

173 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:50:09pm

Reason #9834 why I'd be a bad politician.
I ain't getting on a plane. Nope. No sirree!

174 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:50:42pm

re: #168 sagehen

They got a quick $250k from some Texas oil guy, $400k in small donations from thousands of people around the country, and just this morning Bloomberg announced he's giving another $250k.

That's still alot of people. I wonder who exactly.

So, in 24 hours, PP got 50% more money than Komen gave them in a year. And they are on the front-lines with Women's Health. Meaning they do actual action against Breast Cancer.

This has been a good thing for PP.

175 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:50:43pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

Reason #9834 why I'd be a bad politician.
I ain't getting on a plane. Nope. No sirree!

Nor an elevator. ;)

176 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:51:05pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Nor an elevator. ;)

I have legs.
:P

177 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:51:13pm

re: #168 sagehen

They got a quick $250k from some Texas oil guy, $400k in small donations from thousands of people around the country, and just this morning Bloomberg announced he's giving another $250k.

Yay Texas! ;)

178 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:52:08pm

re: #166 ProLifeLiberal

The BBB has 2008 figures:

For the fiscal year ended March 31, 2008, Komen's program expenses were:

Education 134,194,870
Research 98,548,445
Screening 37,803,949
Treatment 22,023,764
Total Program Expenses: $292,571,028

Charity Navigator notes that 80% of funds raised go to programs (that would include education, research, screening, and treatment - no breakdown of specific programs though; that would take reviews of other records I don't have on hand).

It also makes it tough to figure out how much money went to what, and for what purposes.

179 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:52:32pm

Oil money is supporting Planned Parenthood! Derpity derp hurr hurr.

180 erik_t  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:52:41pm

re: #174 ProLifeLiberal

That's still alot of people. I wonder who exactly.

So, in 24 hours, PP got 50% more money than Komen gave them in a year. And they are on the front-lines with Women's Health. Meaning they do actual action against Breast Cancer.

This has been a good thing for PP.

Yeah, but I don't hear Bloomburg setting up a recurring $250k/yr donation.

PP will get a burst of money, but replacing that yearly $600k won't necessarily be trivial.

181 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:53:34pm

re: #179 Gus 802

At least it not supporting radicalization of Muslims around the planet, like an "ally" of ours does.

This is a good use of oil money.

182 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:53:37pm

re: #180 erik_t

Yeah, but I don't hear Bloomburg setting up a recurring $250k/yr donation.

PP will get a burst of money, but replacing that yearly $600k won't necessarily be trivial.

Yep. This is just a "Komen effect" for PP. It's really a matter if sustainability. Will these same people be there once this Komen story blows over?

183 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:54:00pm

re: #174 ProLifeLiberal

That's still alot of people. I wonder who exactly.

So, in 24 hours, PP got 50% more money than Komen gave them in a year. And they are on the front-lines with Women's Health. Meaning they do actual action against Breast Cancer.

This has been a good thing for PP.

Meanwhile, Komen's Facebook page is under siege, with thousands of comments, mostly negative. The moderators there keep trying to delete posts but more are added before they really get anywhere.

The activism is spreading to other pages, too. Yoplait is seeing every thread on their page filled with people promising to boycott them as long as SGK is one of their partners. Same goes for Energizer and other companies.

It's amazing how putting a pink ribbon on things makes it easy to know who to avoid.

184 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:54:31pm

re: #180 erik_t

True, but I would think with PP being more savvy than Komen, they can find new donation routes.

185 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:55:43pm

re: #178 lawhawk

The BBB has 2008 figures:

Charity Navigator notes that 80% of funds raised go to programs (that would include education, research, screening, and treatment - no breakdown of specific programs though; that would take reviews of other records I don't have on hand).

It also makes it tough to figure out how much money went to what, and for what purposes.

Komen by the Numbers:

[Link: www.cancerculturenow.blogspot.com...]

186 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:55:47pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Yep. This is just a "Komen effect" for PP. It's really a matter if sustainability. Will these same people be there once this Komen story blows over?

I'm hoping it puts a little fear into the anti-PP congress critters.

187 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:56:01pm

re: #116 sagehen

In fairness, pancreatic cancer doesn't have easily findable early symptoms (if only people could be reminded to check!), there's not much in the way of treatment even if it were caught, and it's pretty rare.

Saving lots of people who'd otherwise die of breast cancer is much more doable.

Treatment for pancreatic cancer has come a long way. My father has it and the chemo is doing a terrific job and pretty much allowing him to live his life. His doctor told him just this week she didn't see any reason he wouldn't be around for NEXT year's superbowl (they were talking football as he's a NYer and she's from Boston). It's a horrible diagnosis but not the automatic death sentence it used to be.

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:56:28pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Yep. This is just a "Komen effect" for PP. It's really a matter if sustainability. Will these same people be there once this Komen story blows over?

Doubtful. So I hope PP gets double of what they normally get.
The best result would be if SGK booted the bozos and restructured.

189 abolitionist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:57:15pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

I'm hoping it puts a little fear into the anti-PP congress critters.

I'm hoping more than a little.

190 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:57:57pm

re: #188 Sergey Romanov

Doubtful. So I hope PP gets double of what they normally get.
The best result would be if SGK booted the bozos and restructured.

The biggest bozo is their founder, I think. There will be no restructuring.

191 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 12:59:12pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

The biggest bozo is their founder, I think. There will be no restructuring.

Yep. She's digging in as this video obviously displays. She and Handel "are right and everyone else is wrong!"

192 jaunte  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:00:19pm

re: #107 allegro

re: #95 Gus 802

Lobbying Spending Database-Susan G Komen For The Cure, 2011 | OpenSecrets

They have other years there including other tabs.

A bill to prohibit the further extension or establishment of national monuments in Nevada except by express authorization of Congress.

WTF?


I wonder if this has to do with the Koch brothers involvement in Komen. they wouldn't likely be eager to see more public lands in Nevada protected from mining.

According to the Department of the Interior memo, the below areas are under consideration to be designated as National Monuments:

Heart of the Great Basin, NV
The Heart of the Great Basin contains Nevada’s wild heart - a globally unique assemblage of cultural, wildlife, and historical values. Here, the Toiyabe, Toquima, and Monitor peaks tower to 12,000 feet. Thousands of petroglyphs and stone artifacts provide insight to the area’s inhabitants from as long as 12,000 years ago. The region contains caried ecosystems including alpine tundra, rushing creeks, aspen groves, and high desert sage grouse habitat. The area is also a center of climate change scientific research, (e.g., Great Basin Pika is a keystone species for climate research), and one of North America’s least appreciated wildland mosaics.

Owyhee Desert, OR/NV
Last year, Congress protected a significant portion of the Owyhee Canyonlands region in Idaho. However, a significant portion of the Owhyee region in Oregon and Nevada remains unprotected. The Owyhee Desert is one of the most remote areas in the continental United States, characterized by juniper covered deserts, natural aches, mountains and ancient lava flows. The many branching forks of the Owyhee River form deep, sheer-walled canyons between desert wilderness and entive river runners from around the Nation. The Owyhees are home to the world’s largest herd of California bighorn sheet, elk, deer, cougar, Redband trout, sage-grouse and raptors.
[Link: www.newsreview.com...]

193 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:00:59pm

And the idiot Handel is creating more problems for Komen.

[Link: yfrog.com...]

194 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:01:21pm

re: #192 jaunte

Very interesting indeed.

195 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:02:11pm

re: #192 jaunte

re: #95 Gus 802

Lobbying Spending Database-Susan G Komen For The Cure, 2011 | OpenSecrets

They have other years there including other tabs.

A bill to prohibit the further extension or establishment of national monuments in Nevada except by express authorization of Congress.

WTF?

I wonder if this has to do with the Koch brothers involvement in Komen. they wouldn't likely be eager to see more public lands in Nevada protected from mining.

Huh???

196 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:02:28pm

re: #193 ProLifeLiberal

And the idiot Handel is creating more problems for Komen.

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Oh yeah that Jade Morey is some 23 year old right wingnut.

197 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:03:02pm

re: #193 ProLifeLiberal

And the idiot Handel is creating more problems for Komen.

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Wow. What an asshole.

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:03:04pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

Maybe. But in all those years they sponsored PP. So what went wrong, aside from Handel?

199 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:04:19pm

re: #196 Gus 802

re: #197 Obdicut

I think we are watching the demise of this "Charity."

Reason for the quotes are some very, very dubious practices.

200 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:04:33pm

Handel seems like she's from Wingnut Central Casting.

201 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:05:26pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Yep. She's digging in as this video obviously displays. She and Handel "are right and everyone else is wrong!"

OK, so I just watched the video. She's so botoxed, I think she broke something when she smiled at the end.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:05:32pm

Heh. Found something deliciously wingnutty.

compleatheretic.com/loves/limbaugh.html

All "dittoheads" remember the first time they experienced Rush Limbaugh. For conservatives, it was very exciting and extremely pleasurable; the exhilaration of finally hearing someone in the media validate one's views and beliefs was almost unbearable. For others (leftists if you will, contrary to whatever euphemism they choose to hide behind), it was bitter, painful, and disillusioning; the humiliation of hearing someone in the media skillfully and gleefully slaughter each of one's sacred cows was equally almost unbearable. I suppose one could say that the experience is somewhat like losing one's sexual virginity.

Though I wouldn't have called myself a conservative at the time, and certainly not a Republican, my "deflowering" was a most memorable and pleasant experience.

The guy is also an atheist.

203 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:05:52pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Maybe. But in all those years they sponsored PP. So what went wrong, aside from Handel?

They're being targeted and boycotted by right wing religious groups, some of whom have millions of followers. A big source of donations.

204 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:06:58pm

re: #200 Charles

Handel seems like she's from Wingnut Central Casting.

Keep that in mine, then realize that when we had the runoff between two candidates for Georgia's governor she was the saner choice. (Nathan Deal won).

205 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:07:47pm

Atlas Shrugged: Part Two Will Likely Hit Theaters Right Before The Election

Apparently gluttons for more movie critic punishment, the producers of the first Atlas Shrugged movie have announced that production on Part Two will begin in the spring.

John Aglialoro, who independently produced and funded the first movie to the tune of $20 million, and Harmon Kaslow, another producer, announced that they would begin principal photography on the sequel in April, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

Ever attentive to timing, Aglialoro and Kaslow said they chose to announce the movie on what would have been Ayn Rand’s 107th birthday and are shooting to release it this October, right before the presidential election.

Principal photography to theater in 7 months? Good luck with that.

206 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:08:07pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Yep. This is just a "Komen effect" for PP. It's really a matter if sustainability. Will these same people be there once this Komen story blows over?

Every October (breast cancer awareness month) will be reminder to people that it's time to donate to Planned Parenthood. When I used to attend silent auctions and sponsor walkers, I will now just give to PP. I'm betting I'm not alone.

207 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:08:52pm

re: #202 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Found something deliciously wingnutty.

compleatheretic.com/loves/limbaugh.html

The guy is also an atheist.

"I suppose one could say that the experience [of listening to Rush Limbaugh] is somewhat like losing one's sexual virginity."

So many jokes, so very MANY of which would get be banned...

208 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:10:18pm

re: #203 Charles

I'd guess they're also getting an ever increasing portion of their funding from corporate sponsorship (NFL, Energizer, Yoplait, etc) and I could easily see people on the board making the argument that if they could make the RW culture war controversy around PP go away somehow, it would remove a potential barrier to even more corporate funding. I imagine they're starting to realize this didn't quite go as planned though.

209 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:10:22pm

re: #202 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Found something deliciously wingnutty.

compleatheretic.com/loves/limbaugh.html

The guy is also an atheist.

Well, rape is committed according to God's will apparently...

210 allegro  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:10:51pm

I just checked out the Yoplait Facebook wall... oh my. Komen's ill-advised action is certainly having a negative effect on companies involved in fundraising for it.

211 celticdragon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:12:35pm

re: #38 Lidane

Megan McArdle over at The Atlantic fails at life again:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

It is actually a simple test. Take a statement from McMegan and assume the polar opposite of what she said happens to be the truth.

Why she still has a job at The Atlantic is beyond me.

212 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:12:53pm

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If it's anything like Part 1, it will arrive with a resounding thud. It claimed to take $4,627,375. The budget was $20 million. That means it lost nearly $15.4 million on the endeavor.

Yet, they're making a sequel? There's that much demand for a movie that no one went to see the first time around?

Guess the capitalists who made the movie can afford to burn money, because they'd get more bang for buck burning it than making Part 2.

213 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:13:06pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Maybe. But in all those years they sponsored PP. So what went wrong, aside from Handel?

What Charles said.

Another question is, why did they hook up with PP in the first place? Was it a decision made with their image in mind? Did they need to look like they cared about poor women? That Kos diary that showed they lobbied against Medicaid to treat breast cancer makes it look insincere.

214 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:13:14pm

Your Profile is exactly matches to this job.

that's a confidence builder

215 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:13:40pm

re: #210 allegro

I just checked out the Yoplait Facebook wall... oh my. Komen's ill-advised action is certainly having a negative effect on companies involved in fundraising for it.

Energizer too. Tons of comments there as well.

216 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:14:44pm

re: #202 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Found something deliciously wingnutty.

compleatheretic.com/loves/limbaugh.html

All "dittoheads" remember the first time they experienced Rush Limbaugh...Though I wouldn't have called myself a conservative at the time, and certainly not a Republican, my "deflowering" was a most memorable and pleasant experience.

Does he jack off to pictures of the mutilated torture victims whose LRA attackers Limbaugh loves to defend?

217 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:15:01pm

re: #189 abolitionist

I'm hoping more than a little.

Looks like we might get our wish.

218 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:15:33pm

Karen Handel - wingnut:

When President Obama’s Justice Department told Georgia over the weekend that it could no longer verify the citizenship of voters going to the polls, Karen Handel sprang into action. She exposed the Obama plan and revealed that it would allow groups like ACORN to actively find and register illegal aliens to vote in Georgia elections.

219 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:15:59pm

re: #212 lawhawk

If it's anything like Part 1, it will arrive with a resounding thud. It claimed to take $4,627,375. The budget was $20 million. That means it lost nearly $15.4 million on the endeavor.

Yet, they're making a sequel? There's that much demand for a movie that no one went to see the first time around?

Guess the capitalists who made the movie can afford to burn money, because they'd get more bang for buck burning it than making Part 2.

I'd rather give $20 mil to the guys who did District 9 and see what they can do this time.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:16:41pm

Susan G. Komen Corporate Sponsors List

That's quite a number of sponsors there.

221 celticdragon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:19:47pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boehner: Birth Control Mandate Is Unconstitutional

Because private employers can always claim that they have fer-speshul permission from God to ignore employment laws.
/

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:20:09pm

re: #212 lawhawk

If it's anything like Part 1, it will arrive with a resounding thud. It claimed to take $4,627,375. The budget was $20 million. That means it lost nearly $15.4 million on the endeavor.

:spooky Zardoz voice: THE FREE MARKET HAS SPOKEN!!!

223 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:20:40pm

re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth

:spooky Zardoz voice: THE FREE MARKET HAS SPOKEN!!!

Also, PENIS

224 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:20:59pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Susan G. Komen Corporate Sponsors List

That's quite a number of sponsors there.

My guess is the Zeta Tau Alpha Fraternity which is on that list is making arrangements to bail on Komen. Frat boys like to have a back up plan.

225 allegro  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:21:08pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

Susan G. Komen Corporate Sponsors List

That's quite a number of sponsors there.

I'm already boycotting Nestle Purina PetCare since they POISONED my dogs in December. I thought I was going to lose my dear spaniel. Grrrrr...

226 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:21:19pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She has become death, destroyer of worlds.

Oppenheimer's statement is actually kind of hilarious if you forget he's talking about the atom bomb and pretend he's talking about Sarah Palin's debut as a national figure.

227 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:22:08pm

re: #223 Varek Raith

Also, PENIS

No more Sean Connery in wedding dresses.

228 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:22:39pm

re: #221 celticdragon

Birth control coverage is unconstitutional but Boehner pills are covered.

229 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:22:46pm

re: #224 Petero1818

Zeta Tau Alpha is called a fraternity, but it's actually for women:

[Link: www.zetataualpha.org...]

230 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:24:15pm

re: #229 Lidane

Zeta Tau Alpha is called a fraternity, but it's actually for women:

[Link: www.zetataualpha.org...]

Yeah I was just looking at that myself. Whats that about?

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:24:54pm

re: #229 Lidane

ZTA response to Komen funding decisions

Zeta Tau Alpha respects our members’ interest in the complex situation involving recent funding decisions made by Susan G. Komen for the Cure®. The leadership of the Fraternity and the ZTA Foundation will provide a statement to our membership via our website and Facebook on Friday, Feb. 3.

232 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:26:16pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whoopsie!

233 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:26:52pm

re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth

ZTA response to Komen funding decisions

I just read that as well. I think it speaks to the groundswell when even a sorority has to make a statement...

234 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:31:26pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

What Charles said.

Another question is, why did they hook up with PP in the first place? Was it a decision made with their image in mind? Did they need to look like they cared about poor women? That Kos diary that showed they lobbied against Medicaid to treat breast cancer makes it look insincere.

I did fundraising for SGK for about 6 years raising approx $100,000. No small shake. I quit only because I took on other charity work and couldn't fit it all in.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know that SGK was 100% apolitical in the past. No religious affiliations either. Just fundraising LIKE CRAZY. I don't know of any other organization that was/is able to rally people like SGK. I think they can because so many women are effected by breast cancer, even if not you personally, mothers, daughters, aunts. It's a cause that men and women both can get behind.

I want to add that because of SGK, women have survived breast cancer. The monies raised have made drastic changes in R&D and treatments for the disease. No small feat.

At any rate, it wasn't a sense of "looking" like anything. They partnered with other groups that focused on women's health and that was the main concern until now.

I'm still close friends with the president of the SGK affiliate here and wrote her on Tuesday to ask her if she could use her influence at all to protest this decision. Her response to me was, "Happy belated Birthday, Marj. I hope we can see each other soon."

I responded, "I realize you don't have to answer me if it makes you uncomfortable, but you need to know how upsetting this is and how outraged people are."

No response.

So my guess is that a note went out to all affiliates not to speak of it, since the silence on all accounts is deafening.

235 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:32:05pm

Komen founder: Defunding controversy 'mischaracterization'

Brinker says three of the 19 Planned Parenthood clinics will continue to get funding because they are the only services available to low-income women in their communities. The others will be funded through the end of the year and there will be no interruption of services, she said.

236 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:33:28pm

re: #119 wlewisiii

Perhaps someone is thinking of creating the Ronald Reagan Memorial Nuclear Waste Dump? ///

Didn't Clinton extend the size of some National Momuments (or declare a new one) in order to prevent some stretches of wilderness area from being logged or mined?

Those can be created by Executive Order.

237 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:34:10pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

I don't fall for CYA actions.

238 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:35:16pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Komen founder: Defunding controversy 'mischaracterization'

My cousin wrote me yesterday. She lives in Boston and received an email from the Komen MA affiliate stating that they never gave money to PP anyway so it wasn't like anything was changing. I don't really understand that, but I suppose not all affiliates contribute to the same organizations? Not sure, but I told my cousin it doesn't matter because all of SGK is going to be hurt by this - is my feeling.

239 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:36:07pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Komen founder: Defunding controversy 'mischaracterization'

Whatever. More Stepford double-speak and lies. I hope this keeps blowing up in Komen's face and that they start losing sponsors over it. The curtain's been pulled back and people are finally seeing what all those pink ribbons were hiding all along.

240 abolitionist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:37:35pm

re: #236 oaktree

Didn't Clinton extend the size of some National Momuments (or declare a new one) in order to prevent some stretches of wilderness area from being logged or mined?

Those can be created by Executive Order.

I vaugely recall something about Yosemite National Park and a nearby gold mining operation forced to close.

241 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:38:09pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Komen founder: Defunding controversy 'mischaracterization'

You mean, 16 of 19 won't? Some mischaracterization.

242 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:38:52pm

Major Romney Bundler Is Agent Of Foreign Government

Ignacio E. Sanchez is a lobbyist at DLA Piper, an influential global law firm and a major bundler for the Mitt Romney campaign. A ThinkProgress review of public records reveals Sanchez is also a registered foreign agent representing the interests of the United Arab Emirates and a former president of the Dominican Republic.

While political candidates are not legally required to identify bundlers — volunteer fundraisers who collect bundles of campaign contribution checks for the campaign — a 2007 law requires that federal candidates disclose the names of any registered lobbyists who bundle large amounts for their campaign. On Tuesday, Romney’s campaign reported that 14 lobbyists combined to raise more than $1.6 million last year in bundled contributions.

One of those lobbyist-bundlers was Sanchez, who raked in $86,700 for the former Massachusetts governor. This major fundraising raises questions about the level of access and influence Sanchez — and by extension, his corporate and international clients — would have in a Romney administration.

Unlike the other 13 identified lobbyist-bundlers, Sanchez is a registered foreign agent. A form filed Monday with the U.S. Department of Justice reveals that he beyond just representing the interests of those domestic clients, Sanchez also represents the embassy of the United Arab Emirates and the presidential campaign of Dominican Republic former president Hipolito Mejia.

243 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:41:04pm

Lawhawk?

I am left wondering if a pink ribbon that was tipped in black would violate their trademark. It would amount to a protest symbol against this decision.

"For All Who Care To Cure"

244 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:41:57pm
245 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:43:03pm

House GOP proposes “worst transportation bill I’ve ever seen during 35 years of public service."

House leadership and the Ways and Means committee working on the five-year transportation spending bill have proposed eliminating guaranteed funding for the Mass Transit Account, while spending for highways would continue to receive protected funds for five-year spans. Funding for public transit systems would have to receive annual Congressional approval. “This incredible move would roll back 30-plus years of bipartisan federal transportation policy and reverse a decision made by President Reagan in the 1980s to fund our nation’s transit system out of a small share of gas tax revenues,” T4America’s Stephen Lee Davis writes.

246 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:44:47pm

re: #238 marjoriemoon

My cousin wrote me yesterday. She lives in Boston and received an email from the Komen MA affiliate stating that they never gave money to PP anyway so it wasn't like anything was changing. I don't really understand that, but I suppose not all affiliates contribute to the same organizations? Not sure, but I told my cousin it doesn't matter because all of SGK is going to be hurt by this - is my feeling.

I haven't been following the story so I don't know enough to form an opinion. I suspect the outrage is at least partially overblown.

247 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:45:20pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You want someone to serve you a latte, idiots? They need to get to work on time.

Public transportation is a necessity for the health of the economy.

248 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:45:30pm

re: #240 abolitionist

I vaugely recall something about Yosemite National Park and a nearby gold mining operation forced to close.

Utah.

From Wikipedia:
The proclamation authority was not used again anywhere until 1996, when President Bill Clinton proclaimed the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in Utah. This action was widely unpopular in Utah, and bills were introduced to further restrict the president's authority. To date, none of them have been enacted. Most of the 16 national monuments created by President Clinton are managed not by the National Park Service, but by the Bureau of Land Management as part of the National Landscape Conservation System.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Noted in there that the declaration prevented a coal mine from being opened.

249 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:45:49pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I suspect the outrage is at least partially overblown.

Why?

250 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:45:57pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following the story so I don't know enough to form an opinion. I suspect the outrage is at least partially overblown.

From what I understand Occupy Wall Street is in full support of Planned Parenthood.

251 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:46:11pm

[Jumps into foxhole.]

252 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:46:16pm

re: #247 Obdicut

You want someone to serve you a latte, idiots? They need to get to work on time.

Public transportation is a necessity for the health of the economy.

If they loved Jesus more, they would have a car.

253 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:46:29pm

re: #249 Obdicut

Why?

Lefties are involved.

//

254 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:46:33pm

re: #249 Obdicut

Why?

Because it's not part of OWS, of course. =P

255 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:47:22pm

re: #254 Lidane

Because it's not part of OWS, of course. =P

But I'm sure Nancy Pelosi has uttered an opinion that is still valid and can be twisted in whatever shape is necessary.
/

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:47:25pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following the story so I don't know enough to form an opinion. I suspect the outrage is at least partially overblown.

This happens rather often lately.

257 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:48:04pm

I have a son with Asperger's. I am currently on the outs with my mom in law because I refuse to buy into the puzzle piece ribbons,bracelets,etc. I've always felt that the merchandising was bullshit designed to make someone money(the head of SGK makes 400K a year? Seriously? WTF?).The MIL and my SIL are huge SGK supporters,also. Their hearts are in the right place,but I've always said that it's a better idea to give money directly to the places doing the hands on work of research and care for those in need. The amount of shit I've got for that concept is more than I'll go into here. There's also the idea that you have to always be upbeat when dealing with these kinds of challenges or you're a loser gripes my cookies to no end. It's ok to feel bad when things suck.

My son is 18,he told me a couple weeks ago he didn't need any more "awareness" about autism,he's pretty much aware he has it. He said he'd like people to be aware of what asshats they are to people who are different,all autism aside.

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:48:43pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I had never heard the word "Komen" until today.

259 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:48:56pm

re: #249 Obdicut

Why?

These things happen all the time. re: #249 Obdicut

Why?

Because this kind of thing happens all the time.

260 Coracle  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:49:23pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following the story so I don't know enough to form an opinion. I suspect the outrage is at least partially overblown.

Only because donations to PP in response have already exceeded Komen's contributions of 2010 and 2011 combined. I'm sure some of that is coming out of donations that would have gone to Komen.

They picked a good way to injure their erstwhile cause, and strengthen the ideological opponent of their upper management.

261 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:50:03pm

re: #257 A Mom Anon

You b new. Welcome.

262 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:50:04pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

What kind of thing happens all the time? One charity makes up a rule about not funding any group under investigation, but are actually targeting one specific organization for defunding?

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:50:42pm

re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had never heard the word "Komen" until today.

Have you heard of Planned Parenthood?

264 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:51:03pm

re: #255 oaktree

But I'm sure Nancy Pelosi has uttered an opinion that is still valid and can be twisted in whatever shape is necessary.
/

Nancy Pelosi supported OWS by saying "God bless them." Pelosi also supports Planned Parenthood. At the same time Ahmadinejad supports OWS...

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports Ahmadinejad.

Or something.

//

265 Coracle  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:51:30pm

re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had never heard the word "Komen" until today.

You've heard of it obliquely if you've seen a pink ribbon or a 'race for the cure' event.

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:51:44pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Nancy Pelosi supported OWS by saying "God bless them." Pelosi also supports Planned Parenthood. At the same time Ahmadinejad supports OWS...

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports Ahmadinejad.

Or something.

//

It's a Marxist plot. I hear ACLU is also involved.

267 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:52:07pm

re: #257 A Mom Anon

"I've always felt that the merchandising was bullshit designed to make someone money(the head of SGK makes 400K a year? Seriously? WTF?)"

I don't get this. It is no small task to run a national organization employing thousands, and running hundreds of events, managing countless complicated sponsorship arrangements, marketing and branding and everything else. It is no different than running a large company. If you want it done well, you pay for someone to run it well. 400K for a CEO of such an organization is perfectly acceptable to me. Now this CEO is apparently a fucking moron. But that is not to say that they have not built something impressive here, at least until they destroyed their brand two days ago.

268 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:52:25pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Nancy Pelosi supported OWS by saying "God bless them." Pelosi also supports Planned Parenthood. At the same time Ahmadinejad supports OWS...

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports Ahmadinejad.

Or something.

//

Don't forget. Planned Parenthood "practices eugenics."

You know who else supported eugenics? That's right, Hitler.

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports Hitler.

//

269 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:52:53pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

It's a Marxist plot. I hear ACLU is also involved.

Yep. ACORN and a bunch of Mexicans.

//

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:53:04pm

re: #263 Sergey Romanov

Have you heard of Planned Parenthood?

Yep. Just have never heard of Komen. Is it pronounced "Come in"? "Women"? "Co-men"?

271 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:53:17pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

It's a Marxist plot. I hear ACLU is also involved.

Aliens...

or NPH.

272 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:53:39pm

re: #271 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aliens...

or NPH.

And Oliver Stone.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:54:13pm

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Just have never heard of Komen. Is it pronounced "Come in"? "Women"? "Co-men"?

I'd guess that last one, but English name spelling can get quirky...

274 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:54:37pm

re: #272 Gus 802

And Oliver Stone.

All run by a Neturei Karta cabal.

275 erik_t  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:54:55pm

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Just have never heard of Komen. Is it pronounced "Come in"? "Women"? "Co-men"?

Koh-men, like 'cope'.

276 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:01pm

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Just have never heard of Komen. Is it pronounced "Come in"? "Women"? "Co-men"?

It's pronounced "Throat-Wobbler Mangrove".

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:05pm

re: #271 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aliens...

Greens or greys?

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:05pm

Susan G. Komen chapter: ‘We are absolutely frustrated’ by the decision to defund Planned Parenthood

“We have a great partnership with Planned Parenthood, and our hope is that the investigation that has prohibited them from receiving Komen grants will be resolved quickly,” she says. Her chapter has also vented its frustration on its Facebook page.
---
Hogan is hopeful that her affiliate’s support for Planned Parenthood can continue uninterrupted. A grant that Komen of Connecticut awarded to Planned Parenthood last April runs through June 30. She hopes that, by then, the Congressional investigation will have finished and funding the organization will no longer violate national policy.

279 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:08pm

re: #268 Gus 802

Don't forget. Planned Parenthood "practices eugenics."

You know who else supported eugenics? That's right, Hitler.

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports Hitler.

//

Hitler's army wore "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles. Which means Hitler supported God.

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports God.

Why is Komen trying to gainsay God?
////

280 abolitionist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:11pm

re: #257 A Mom Anon

You might appreciate tonite's episode 4.11 of Fringe (on fox at 9 est)

281 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:29pm

re: #274 Sergey Romanov

All run by a Neturei Karta cabal.

Cabals are more dangerous than nooklyar missiles.

We must commence the bombing campaign immediately.

//

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:43pm

re: #275 erik_t

Koh-men, like 'cope'.

There's no "men" in "cope"!!!

283 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:55:59pm

re: #277 Sergey Romanov

Greens or greys?

Yes, very much so.

284 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:56:18pm

re: #279 oaktree

Hitler's army wore "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles. Which means Hitler supported God.

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports God.

Why is Komen trying to gainsay God?
///

Clearly then Komen hates dogs.

You know who else liked dogs don't ya?

//

285 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:56:27pm

re: #261 Olsonist

Thanks. I've been registered for awhile,but haven't posted,just once in response to an article wrenchwench put up awhile back. I'm a proud liberal but try not to be too obnoxious about it,lol.

286 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:56:39pm

re: #257 A Mom Anon

I've always felt that the merchandising was bullshit designed to make someone money(the head of SGK makes 400K a year? Seriously? WTF?)..

I don't get this. This is a massive organization, that employs hundreds, runs events all over the world, manages complex partnerships and receives and distributes millions of dollars. You think you build such an entity with part time volunteers? It is no different than running a large corporation. 400K is not that much for the right talent to run a thing like this. Up until a few days ago SGK had built a marketing juggernaut that certainly on the balance did a lot of good, notwithstanding the 400K it paid its chief. You pay for that success. The fact that they messed it up is beyond me.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:56:48pm

re: #279 oaktree

Hitler's army wore "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles. Which means Hitler supported God.

Therefore Planned Parenthood supports God.

Why is Komen trying to gainsay God?
///

Komen... Kommien... Commies...

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:57:03pm

re: #279 oaktree

Hitler's army wore "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles.

Hitler supported Romney?

289 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:57:07pm

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Komen... Kommien... Commies...

I ah told ya Komeni.

//

290 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:57:14pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

Charities always go out of their way to destroy their brand and all the goodwill they had by capitulating to a bunch of right wing nutjobs?

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:57:49pm

re: #288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hitler supported Romney?

ROFL

292 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:58:30pm

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Komen... Kommien... Commies...

Kommen sie herein! Schnell!

See. There it is.

//

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:59:25pm

re: #289 Gus 802

I ah told ya Komeni.

//

Komeni? That's like an OCR error for Romeni. Romney. Aha!

294 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:59:43pm

re: #288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hitler supported Romney?

No, but Alinsky did!

/

295 erik_t  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 1:59:50pm

re: #286 Petero1818

I don't get this. This is a massive organization, that employs hundreds, runs events all over the world, manages complex partnerships and receives and distributes millions of dollars. You think you build such an entity with part time volunteers? It is no different than running a large corporation. 400K is not that much for the right talent to run a thing like this. Up until a few days ago SGK had built a marketing juggernaut that certainly on the balance did a lot of good, notwithstanding the 400K it paid its chief. You pay for that success. The fact that they messed it up is beyond me.

Examination of charitable-giving overhead has a long and storied history, and it's damned worthwhile. SGK should expect their overhead to be compared to that of other similar organizations, and they should expect their contributions to be affected likewise.

OMG FREE MARKET GIVING

296 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:01:22pm

Speaking of Nazis. Apparently "Inconvenient Truth" is 'just like Nazi propaganda.'

297 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:01:30pm

re: #276 Obdicut

It's pronounced "Throat-Wobbler Mangrove".

Ahhh, all the letters are silent. I hate words like that.

298 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:01:48pm

re: #294 Lidane

No, but Alinsky did!

Alinsky?

Al-in-sky. Why in sky? Is he a saint? St.Alinsky? STALINsky?

I think we're getting closer and closer.

299 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:02:58pm

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Yes, in fact $400,000 is on the low side for an organization of that size.
But whether Harold Varmus, M.D., Past President/CEO Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center deserves $2,557,403/yr is another question. I'm a gonna say no.

300 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:03:16pm

re: #298 Sergey Romanov

Alinsky?

Al-in-sky. Why in sky? Is he a saint? St.Alinsky? STALINsky?

I think we're getting closer and closer.

It's all one big giant organism.

You know who else had airplanes right?

//

301 Kragar  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:03:47pm

re: #300 Gus 802

It's all one big giant organism.

You know who else had airplanes right?

//

Aliens?

302 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:04:06pm

re: #300 Gus 802

It's all one big giant organism.

You know who else had airplanes right?

//

Leslie Nielsen was also involved?

303 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:04:09pm

re: #295 erik_t

Examination of charitable-giving overhead has a long and storied history, and it's damned worthwhile. SGK should expect their overhead to be compared to that of other similar organizations, and they should expect their contributions to be affected likewise.

OMG FREE MARKET GIVING

That is true. But given their size, I suspect that the 400K and their expenses are within the expectations. My only point is simply that people seem to believe that organizations like this can run on people pulling 100K a year. Not the way it works. Talent builds successful organizations. Talent costs money. Charities must always maintain certain standards for amount of revenue spent on expenses.

304 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:04:43pm

re: #294 Lidane
No, but Alinsky did!

/

Was that before or after he made _The Ded Moroz Contract_ and said sequels?

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:07:30pm

The Star’s editorial | Komen’s cutting Planned Parenthood funds was a mistake

The charity of pink ribbons has defunded Planned Parenthood, claiming it can’t support an organization that’s under investigation.

Well, we in the old stomping grounds of former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline have news for the folks at Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Planned Parenthood is always under investigation. As long as there are politicians determined to pursue ideological agendas and score points with religious conservatives, it always will be.

307 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:08:17pm

re: #299 Olsonist

Yes, in fact $400,000 is on the low side for an organization of that size. Whether Harold Varmus, M.D., Past President/CEO Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center deserves $2,557,403/yr is another question. I'm a gonna say no.

Varmus is incredible, though. He really is. He's a brilliant organizer as well as researcher. He's had a huge impact on openness in cancer research. He's pretty hard to estimate the value of, both for the field as a whole and the institution.

He made a fraction there of what he could have made at a biotech firm.

308 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:09:34pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Speaking of Nazis. Apparently "Inconvenient Truth" is 'just like Nazi propaganda.'

Eh, Dana, Dana. All of Leni's "serving the evil" thing, but none of her talent.

//

309 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:12:46pm

re: #285 A Mom Anon

I'm a proud liberal but try not to be too obnoxious about it,lol.

Welcome to the fray ;-)
I like your nic.

310 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:13:46pm

Here's Varmus's book, a very straight look at the way politics and science are tangled up in the US.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

311 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:14:34pm

re: #308 Sergey Romanov

Eh, Dana, Dana. All of Leni's "serving the evil" thing, but none of her talent.

//

Rich Lowry: Mitt Romney's turnaround capitalism
January 17, 2012

Barry Bennett is the Leni Riefenstahl of the blistering attack documentary. The political operative's half-hour anti-Bain Capital film, endorsed by the increasingly unhinged Newt Gingrich and aired by his super PAC, is anti-market agitprop worthy of Michael Moore. If the Academy gave an award for tendentiousness, Bennett would be a surefire nominee...

312 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:15:29pm

There you have it. If you don't like a documentary, regardless of content, just call the producer or creator Leni Riefenstahl.

Argumentum ad Leni Riefenstahlum

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:17:05pm

re: #311 Gus 802

Rich Lowry: Mitt Romney's turnaround capitalism
January 17, 2012

Lich Lowly said what? /

314 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:17:07pm

re: #303 Petero1818

I guess I just cringe when I see people gaining wealth off a charity. I realize this isn't magic and ponies and then PooF! the money rolls in. People have to work hard,but I doubt the CEO of SGK works that much harder than the legions of others involved. I've also had some crappy experiences in the"autism community"related to money collected and where it went so I'll admit that colors my opinion.

315 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:18:28pm

re: #313 Sergey Romanov

Lich Lowly said what? /

On more than one occasion.

316 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:21:30pm

re: #314 A Mom Anon

If we're going to start paying everybody by how hard they work we're going to need to adjust to a world where Mexican short-order cooks are the richest members of society.

317 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:21:34pm

re: #315 Gus 802

On more than one occasion.

Maybe he meant Leni's less well-known American step-brother Lennie Riefenstahl? //

318 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:23:59pm

Uh oh! Don't look at this KT. But Salman Rushdie is showing empathy for OWS...

@SalmanRushdie Salman Rushdie
Mayor Mike (almost) atones for his treatment of #OWS OccupyWallStreet with this offer to help #PlannedParenthood. [Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

319 AK-47%  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:24:20pm

re: #316 Obdicut

If we're going to start paying everybody by how hard they work we're going to need to adjust to a world where Mexican short-order cooks are the richest members of society.

and bar musicians will be paid more than grammy winners.

320 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:24:34pm

Will Salman Rushdie recant his support, ergo, empathy for Occupy Wall Street?

//

321 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:24:53pm

re: #316 Obdicut

If we're going to start paying everybody by how hard they work we're going to need to adjust to a world where Mexican short-order cooks are the richest members of society.

¡Hear hear! ¡Ajua!

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:25:20pm

re: #318 Gus 802

Uh oh! Don't look at this KT. But Salman Rushdie is showing empathy for OWS...

@SalmanRushdie Salman Rushdie
Mayor Mike (almost) atones for his treatment of #OWS OccupyWallStreet with this offer to help #PlannedParenthood. [Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Once a Muslim, always a Muslim! ///

323 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:25:57pm

re: #322 Sergey Romanov

Once a Muslim, always a Muslim! ///

Taqiyya!!11ty

324 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:26:17pm

re: #318 Gus 802

Uh oh! Don't look at this KT. But Salman Rushdie is showing empathy for OWS...

@SalmanRushdie Salman Rushdie
Mayor Mike (almost) atones for his treatment of #OWS OccupyWallStreet with this offer to help #PlannedParenthood. [Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Off with his head!
/oh, wait..

325 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:26:24pm

re: #323 Gus 802

Taqiyya!!11ty

Tequila!

326 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:26:27pm

re: #317 Sergey Romanov

Maybe he meant Leni's less well-known American step-brother Lennie Riefenstahl? //

And his dim-witted greaser friend, Squiggy?

/Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated...

327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:28:05pm

re: #326 talon_262

And his dim-witted greaser friend, Squiggy?

/Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated...

Kish Mir Intuches PR firm.

//

328 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:29:04pm

re: #319 ralphieboy

and bar musicians will be paid more than grammy winners.

on that note:
Image: 5ucSD.jpg

329 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:29:22pm

re: #316 Obdicut
I'm not expressing myself very well here I guess. It's more than just the salary that bothers me here. It seems like there are just too many layers between the actual help given and the money coming in. Too many chunks of cash taken out between points A(the donations)and point B(the research and hands on help given to those in need). I hope that is a bit clearer.

330 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:32:37pm

re: #329 A Mom Anon

Well, it depends. Like Varmus, above-- he really is an amazing researcher, a great administrator. He's really invaluable, on every level-- he can generate grants, he can see where the promising areas of research are, he can mentor people, he can attract talent, he can navigate politics.

It depends what responsibilities the job has and how many people can do them. If it's just gladhanding and pushing out donations, then yes, I agree. If it's actually figuring out how to push science forwards, that takes a rarer kind of person.

331 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:32:43pm

Testing:

Cool. You can now embed any video from Media Matters just by pasting in the URL of the "mediamatters.org/mmtv" page.

I pasted the URL for this page above: CNN's Dana Loesch: Al Gore's Climate-Change Documentary Was 'The Same Level of Propaganda' as Leni Riefenstahl's Films | Media Matters for America

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:33:25pm

re: #331 Charles

But But But Media Matters is antisemitic!

//

334 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:34:28pm

re: #332 Sergey Romanov

But But But Media Matters is antisemitic!

//

And a bunch of dirty commie libruls...don't forget that!

/

335 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:34:59pm

Two dozen Senators call on Komen to reverse Planned Parenthood decision

The letter is signed by Senators Lautenberg, Murray, Mikulski, Boxer, Cantwell, Gillibrand, Menendez, Wyden, Blumenthal, Shaheen, Begich, merkley, Tester, Akaka, Sanders, (Sherrod) Brown, Leahy, Baucus, Cardin, Feinstein, Franken, and Kerry.

I only count 22

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:36:33pm

re: #333 Charles

I called it. Not that that was a major leap to call something like that.

337 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:36:41pm

Komen video currently has 670 likes, 2,679 dislikes.

338 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:38:28pm

re: #332 Sergey Romanov

But But But Media Matters is antisemitic!

//

Is that you Josh Block?

//

339 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:38:42pm

re: #335 Bubblehead II

Two dozen Senators call on Komen to reverse Planned Parenthood decision

The letter is signed by Senators Lautenberg, Murray, Mikulski, Boxer, Cantwell, Gillibrand, Menendez, Wyden, Blumenthal, Shaheen, Begich, merkley, Tester, Akaka, Sanders, (Sherrod) Brown, Leahy, Baucus, Cardin, Feinstein, Franken, and Kerry.

I only count 22

You've heard of a baker's dozen? They use the "politician's dozen", it's one short.

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:39:01pm

re: #338 Gus 802

Is that you Josh Block?

//

No! I'm Brock! Am not a riberar!

341 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:39:11pm

re: #335 Bubblehead II

Two dozen Senators call on Komen to reverse Planned Parenthood decision

The letter is signed by Senators Lautenberg, Murray, Mikulski, Boxer, Cantwell, Gillibrand, Menendez, Wyden, Blumenthal, Shaheen, Begich, merkley, Tester, Akaka, Sanders, (Sherrod) Brown, Leahy, Baucus, Cardin, Feinstein, Franken, and Kerry.

I only count 22

22, 24, whatever!

/channeling Mel Brooks

342 AK-47%  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:40:51pm

re: #333 Charles

Wow.

"99.7 percent of all abortions are about birth control!"

Which is why we should also restrict access to contraception.

343 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:41:09pm

This is gonna hurt...

Yooooo-Hooooo! Komen? Another of Your Grant Recipients is Affiliated with an Institute Under Investigation!

You have another grant recipient who is in the same boat: the Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, who is, of course, affiliated with Penn State University, which is, as you probably know, under investigation for covering up alleged child rape by one of its employees. I linked to part four of the series I did on the issue, and it has links to the other three posts I wrote if you care to read more about the case.

344 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:42:18pm

New headline font again - I think I might settle on this one. Droid Sans. Two different weights.

345 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:44:59pm

re: #341 talon_262

UPDATE: The total number of signatories is now 26; the new additions include senators McCaskill, Stabenow, Coons, and Bingaman.

That's four Senatorial updings.

346 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:49:18pm

re: #344 Charles

New headline font again - I think I might settle on this one. Droid Sans. Two different weights.

I like it.

347 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:49:33pm

Speaking of pink ribbons, I always wanted to make brown silicone "affinity bracelets" to call attention to the world's #1 killer: diahrrea.

Diarrhea (from the Greek διάρροια meaning "flowing through"[2]), also spelled diarrhoea, is the condition of having three or more loose or liquid bowel movements per day. It is a common cause of death in developing countries and the second most common cause of infant deaths worldwide. The loss of fluids through diarrhea can cause dehydration and electrolyte imbalances. In 2009 diarrhea was estimated to have caused 1.1 million deaths in people aged 5 and over and 1.5 million deaths in children under the age of 5. Oral rehydration salts and zinc tablets are the treatment of choice and have been estimated to have saved 50 million children in the past 25 years.

348 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:50:34pm

re: #333 Charles

CNN's Dana Loesch: 'Liberals Only Cared About Breast Cancer if It Was a Way for Them to Push Abortion, Birth Control' | Media Matters for America

[Video]

I'm still trying to figure this one out. Liberals "only cared about breast cancer if it was a way to push abortion"?

Maybe I should get drunk instead.

349 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:51:16pm

re: #343 Gus 802

This is gonna hurt...

Yooo-Hooo! Komen? Another of Your Grant Recipients is Affiliated with an Institute Under Investigation!

Yeah, After reading up a bit on the situation I can see what's going on. A lot of organizations, including the federal government, have rules against doing business with people under investigation. It just makes good sense. I think the Dems should focus on wrapping up the PP investigation. The reason I suspect this is an outrageous outrage Komen has some conservative ties, including the notorious Koch Bros, some Republicans and conservatives. I don't think the rule is some sort of secret conspiracy to defund PP. Maybe they're just trying to make the best use of their money and be responsible with it. I kind of doubt this cancer charity has secretly become an evil wingnut conspiracy.

350 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:52:10pm

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Are you just pretending to be naive, or what?

351 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:54:21pm

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Yeah, After reading up a bit on the situation I can see what's going on. A lot of organizations, including the federal government, have rules against doing business with people under investigation. It just makes good sense. I think the Dems should focus on wrapping up the PP investigation. The reason I suspect this is an outrageous outrage Komen has some conservative ties, including the notorious Koch Bros, some Republicans and conservatives. I don't think the rule is some sort of secret conspiracy to defund PP. Maybe they're just trying to make the best use of their money and be responsible with it. I kind of doubt this cancer charity has secretly become an evil wingnut conspiracy.

You know, you could have read the OP for starters.

But three sources with direct knowledge of the Komen decision-making process told me that the rule was adopted in order to create an excuse to cut-off Planned Parenthood. (Komen gives out grants to roughly 2,000 organizations, and the new “no-investigations” rule applies to only one so far.) The decision to create a rule that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, according to these sources, was driven by the organization’s new senior vice-president for public policy, Karen Handel

You really should start researching things before writing analyses of them.

352 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:54:36pm

re: #350 Obdicut

Are you just pretending to be naive, or what?

Pardon me but I get a little bit cautious about demonizing a cancer charity. Especially since they're supposedly rabid wingnuts despite their very generous funding of Planned Parenthood over the years.

353 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:55:11pm

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Yeah, After reading up a bit on the situation I can see what's going on. A lot of organizations, including the federal government, have rules against doing business with people under investigation. It just makes good sense. I think the Dems should focus on wrapping up the PP investigation. The reason I suspect this is an outrageous outrage Komen has some conservative ties, including the notorious Koch Bros, some Republicans and conservatives. I don't think the rule is some sort of secret conspiracy to defund PP. Maybe they're just trying to make the best use of their money and be responsible with it. I kind of doubt this cancer charity has secretly become an evil wingnut conspiracy.

Basically what you're saying here is that you have chosen to look at this from a perspective that satisfies your own self-interest or reputation.

354 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:55:43pm

Right. And closing down Planned Parenthood is just a "conspiracy." Uh huh. Sure it is.

355 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:55:56pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Pardon me but I get a little bit cautious about demonizing a cancer charity.

Is saying that they've stopped donating to Planned Parenthood after a vociferously anti-choice VP came aboard demonizing them?

Especially since they're supposedly rabid wingnuts despite their very generous funding of Planned Parenthood over the years.

Who's saying they're rabid wingnuts?

356 Olsonist  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:56:13pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

You seem very concerned.

357 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:56:40pm

re: #343 Gus 802

This is gonna hurt...

Yooo-Hooo! Komen? Another of Your Grant Recipients is Affiliated with an Institute Under Investigation!

If Komen does cut off Penn State/Hershey Medical Center, it won't be because they want to, but because they're forced to by this policy that was instituted solely with PP in mind to cut off.

Unintended consequences is a bitch...

358 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:58:17pm

re: #200 Charles

Handel seems like she's from Wingnut Central Casting.

She is indeed. Thought it would be a good time to repeat this.

359 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:58:46pm

[Link: jezebel.com...]

Handel herself has been largely silent on the issue, until last night, when she all but confirmed what everyone suspected by retweeting— and quickly deleting— a tweet that read "Just like pro-abortion group to turn cancer orgs decision into a political bomb to throw. Cry me a freaking river." Alas, no one taught Karen Handel about screen grabs. The internet's forever, Handel. Cry me a freaking river.

360 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:58:53pm

re: #358 Gus 802

She is indeed. Thought it would be a good time to repeat this.

NONTROVERSY.
Stamped.
Filed.
//

361 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:59:38pm

re: #356 Olsonist

You seem very concerned.

It would be a shame if these charges were untrue. This could really damage an organization that's raised a lot of money to provide cancer screening services for poor women.

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 2:59:59pm

re: #351 Sergey Romanov

I should note that Jeffrey Goldberg is not some sort of a flake or a leftist shill. He obviously did not make these 3 sources up.

363 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:00:22pm

re: #360 Sergey Romanov

NONTROVERSY.
Stamped.
Filed.
//

...

All you stupid lefties and OWS antisemites need to shut up about Komen already. You're making a mountain out of molehill.

364 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:03:13pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

It would be a shame if these charges were untrue. This could really damage an organization that's raised a lot of money to provide cancer screening services for poor women.

The Komen Foundation attempted to do damage to an organization that fits that description.

365 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:03:25pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

What do you think about the way Handel is responding? Like retweeting this:

Just like pro-abortion group to turn cancer orgs decision into a political bomb to throw. Cry me a freaking river

366 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:04:58pm

re: #362 Sergey Romanov

I should note that Jeffrey Goldberg is not some sort of a flake or a leftist shill. He obviously did not make these 3 sources up.

True, but people do lie for various reasons. So far all we have in anonymous sources. No internal leaked memos or smoking gun that the new rules were internded to target PP. Inter office politicals, political activits, grudges, vendettas, etc. Just look at what happened with the DOJ when Obama took office. All kinds of crazy accusations from insiders with ideological axes to grind.

367 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:06:00pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Pardon me but I get a little bit cautious about demonizing a cancer charity. Especially since they're supposedly rabid wingnuts despite their very generous funding of Planned Parenthood over the years.

Come on...If they were supportive of PP they would have been able to say and do a thousand things, including stating that PP uses no Federal or Komen funds for abortion and so on...

Instead they act behind doors and pretend nobody will notice.

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:06:29pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

True, but people do lie for various reasons.

Oh yeah, whole 3 knowledgeable (acc. to Goldberg) sources lied! Must be a conspiracy!

369 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:08:11pm

re: #368 Sergey Romanov

Oh yeah, whole 3 knowledgeable (acc. to Goldberg) sources lied! Must be a conspiracy!

And moreover, no sources whom Goldberg asked denied this (or, I assume, he would have noted this). Which is another reason to dismiss the conspiracy argument.

370 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:09:08pm

re: #365 Obdicut

What do you think about the way Handel is responding? Like retweeting this:

Just like pro-abortion group to turn cancer orgs decision into a political bomb to throw. Cry me a freaking river

Sounds like she's complaining about the outrage over the story.

371 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:09:37pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

Sounds like she's complaining about the outrage over the story.

What is a 'pro-abortion' group, and does using that terminology tell you anything about the person using it?

372 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:09:39pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

True, but people do lie for various reasons. So far all we have in anonymous sources. No internal leaked memos or smoking gun that the new rules were internded to target PP. Inter office politicals, political activits, grudges, vendettas, etc. Just look at what happened with the DOJ when Obama took office. All kinds of crazy accusations from insiders with ideological axes to grind.

"Politics have no place in health care. Breast cancer screening saves lives and hundreds of thousands of women rely on Planned Parenthood for access to care. We should be helping women access that care, not placing barriers in their way." -- Mayor Bloomberg

373 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:09:44pm

re: #335 Bubblehead II

Two dozen Senators call on Komen to reverse Planned Parenthood decision

The letter is signed by Senators Lautenberg, Murray, Mikulski, Boxer, Cantwell, Gillibrand, Menendez, Wyden, Blumenthal, Shaheen, Begich, merkley, Tester, Akaka, Sanders, (Sherrod) Brown, Leahy, Baucus, Cardin, Feinstein, Franken, and Kerry.

I only count 22

Alabama's Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III signed in invisible ink.

374 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:10:30pm

Come to think of it...isn't this "ethical" policy of not supporting any group "under investigation" the same thing as saying guilty until proven innocent?

375 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:10:32pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

Sounds like she's complaining about the outrage over the story.

Damn straight there's outrage. And what's the problem with that? Are people just supposed to sit around and do nothing again?

376 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:10:47pm

re: #371 Obdicut

What is a 'pro-abortion' group, and does using that terminology tell you anything about the person using it?

Maybe she's an evil wingnut. I have no idea.

377 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:12:11pm

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

378 Lidane  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:12:30pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

Sounds like she's complaining about the outrage over the story.

Sounds like she's a wingnut to me.

This is the same woman who bankrupted her own campaign to give Sarah Palin a private plane to fly around in. She's nuts.

379 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:12:56pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

Maybe she's an evil wingnut. I have no idea.

Really? Amazing how incurious you are. Seems pretty forced.

She's also a fan of Sarah Palin, and appears to be anti-choice.

But it's a lot more believable that this is a conspiracy against Komen.

380 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:13:09pm

re: #377 Sergey Romanov

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Yes you can

you just have to know how!

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:13:37pm

re: #380 sattv4u2

Yes you can

you just have to know how!

Kicking in the cojones doesn't count! //

382 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:14:12pm

re: #378 Lidane

Sounds like she's a wingnut to me.

This is the same woman who bankrupted her own campaign to give Sarah Palin a private plane to fly around in. She's nuts.

She did? Still dunno. Maybe she just liked Palin's book.

//

383 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:14:25pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Is it really believable that the board was unaware that new rules they were adopting would primarily impact one of their most prominent partners? Would rational rules really make funding decisions subject to the whims of individual GOP congressmen?

[Link: www.npr.org...]

That investigation, which has no set timetable, was launched in September when Stearns asked Planned Parenthood for more than a decade's worth of documents.

Stearns, in a statement emailed to the AP on Monday, said he is still working with Planned Parenthood on getting the requested documents. He said he is looking into possible violations of state and local reporting requirements, as well as allegations of financial abuse, and would consider holding a hearing depending on what he learns.

Many of the allegations were outlined in a report presented to Stearns last year by Americans United for Life, a national anti-abortion group, which urged him to investigate.

There is no real investigation at the moment, just a GOP congressmen who's begun fishing at the behest of American's United for Life's prodding and allegations.

384 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:16:58pm

re: #383 simoom

What would Komen do if they themselves came under investigation? Refuse all donations? Shut down?

385 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:17:43pm

I live in metro Atlanta. Handel has said in public forums that she wanted PP shut down during her campaign for governor. There is a very strong wingnut contingent around here that equates abortion with being a cause of breast and other female cancers. How she ended up as part of SGK I have no clue.

386 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:22:06pm

re: #385 A Mom Anon


I live in metro Atlanta

me too!

Welcome

387 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:23:13pm

re: #383 simoom

Is it really believable that the board was unaware that new rules they were adopting would primarily impact one of their most prominent partners? Would rational rules really make funding decisions subject to the whims of individual GOP congressmen?

[Link: www.npr.org...]

There is no real investigation at the moment, just a GOP congressmen who's begun fishing at the behest of American's United for Life's prodding and allegations.

Agreed. Even more reason to shut down or wrap up the "investigation". It's complete BS.

388 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:23:54pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

And a good reason not to have rules saying that you can't give money to a group under investigation.

389 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:30:12pm

re: #388 Obdicut

And a good reason not to have rules saying that you can't give money to a group under investigation.

I think the rule serves a purpose. Already they seem willing to make exceptions in some planned parenthood situations where it would result in the loss of cancer screening. I'll bet that they'll continue to work with PP for the foreseeable future regardless of the outrage. They seem serious about providing cancer screening and I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt until we learn more about the accusations.

390 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:30:53pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

I think the rule serves a purpose.

Since you've acknowledged the investigations can be complete BS, what is that purpose?

391 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:32:01pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

I think the rule serves a purpose.

That's what we keep saying. And the purpose is excluding PP. As demonstrated in the OP.

392 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:48:18pm

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Dr. Kathy Plesser, a Manhattan radiologist on the medical advisory board of Susan G. Komen for the Cure's New York chapter, said she plans to resign from her position unless Komen reverses its decision to pull grant money from Planned Parenthood.

"I’m a physician and my interest is women’s health, and I am disturbed by Komen’s decision because I am a very strong advocate for serving under-served women," Plesser told The Huffington Post. "Eliminating this funding will mean there’s no place for these women to go. Where are these women to go to have a mammography? Do they not deserve to have mammography?"

With her decision, Plesser joins Komen's top public health official, Mollie Williams, and the executive director of Komen's Los Angeles County chapter, Deb Anthony, both of whom also resigned in protest.

393 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 3:55:23pm

re: #392 simoom

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

What does she know? Petty office politicking. /

394 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:05:00pm

Seven California Komen Affiliates Oppose Defunding Planned Parenthood:

All seven California Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure Foundation affiliates have come out in opposition to the group’s new, national policies that bar them from funding Planned Parenthood. Here’s a statement they just sent to California’s congressional delegation:

The seven California Affiliates of Susan G. Komen for the Cure are strongly opposed to Komen National’s new grant making policy. This policy prevents Komen Affiliates from funding organizations under investigation at the regional, state or federal level. Planned Parenthood is currently the subject of an “inquiry” in Congress.

We are working with our National organization to clear the way for Komen Affiliates to continue to make local grant decisions based on their community needs. Know that women will continue to be served in California. Any grants currently in affect in our State will be continued though the end of the year.

We will work on this within our own organization with the same tenacity and passion that we worked with our legislators in keeping the state’s breast cancer screening program, Every Women Counts, operating. Our California collaborative will not rest until this issue is resolved.

Komen volunteers have worked tirelessly for the past 30 years to increase awareness, screening and research for the cure. What we have experienced and witnessed over the last two days is an extraordinary level of passion for these important issues to women. Our commitment to our mission is unwavering.

This is a misstep in that journey and we want to assure all Californians that we will do whatever it takes to do what is right for the health of women and men in California.

395 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:11:47pm

re: #390 Obdicut

Since you've acknowledged the investigations can be complete BS, what is that purpose?

It might be the same reason other groups including the federal government have the same rule. It helps to avoid fraud, scandals, embezzlement, theft, misappropriation of funds etc. Only an idiot would hire Bernie Madoff as their accountant while he was on trial. It's a very common rule.

396 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:13:37pm

Yeah. Don't worry about anything. Komen is just "following the rules" and this isn't part of a larger effort to take down Planned Parenthood and eventually overturn Roe v. Wade. Yep. And don't pay attention to the Republican influence with Komen including their Palin backed VP, Karen Handel. This is all a coincidence. They're just following the rules!

//

397 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:14:52pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

It might be the same reason other groups including the federal government have the same rule. It helps to avoid fraud, scandals, embezzlement, theft, misappropriation of funds etc. Only an idiot would hire Bernie Madoff as their accountant while he was on trial. It's a very common rule.

Uh huh. This is just about following the rules. Sure it is. I have a bridge for sale if you need one.

398 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:15:18pm

Komen Foundation ousted their Democratic lobbyist just before hiring Karen Handel

It wasn’t until 2008 that the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, a 501(c)3, founded the Susan G. Komen For The Cure Advocacy Alliance, a 501(c)4 non-profit that, under IRS rules, can spend unlimited donor funds on lobbying. It’s that arm of the Komen Foundation that former Secretary of State and failed gubernatorial candidate Karen Handel (R-GA) was hired to run in April 2011, despite being once investigated for issuing voter ID regulations that the Department of Justice determined to be discriminatory against non-white voters. She’d been serving “as a consultant” to the organization since January 2011.

Before Handel’s hiring, Komen’s lobbying shop was staunchly Democratic — from its head to its hired guns, former Democratic aides did most of the heavy lifting on everything from the breast cancer stamp to breast cancer research to its advocacy on the health care bill. And when their lead lobbyist, former Democratic staffer Jennifer Luray, quietly left in 2010, she took with her a six-figure severance package not in keeping with an employee that just found a new job.

At the time Handel was hired as a consultant — shortly after Luray left — Handel told the local magazine Northside Woman that Komen was her first and only client, and that her role was to “[work] with [the affiliates] to make sure they are as strong as they can be,” adding, “we’re making sure there’s a good relationship between the national group and the affiliate group [sic].” She told the Atlanta Trend last year, “Everybody understands that budgets are really, really tight in virtually every state. And that means that every program, no matter how worthwhile, is on the table to be scrutinized.” That would seem to belie Komen Foundation President Nancy Brinker’s assertion today that Handel wasn’t involved in the decision to end most affiliates’ grants to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer screenings, let alone her assertion that none of their decisions were “political.”

[...]

399 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:16:17pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

It might be the same reason other groups including the federal government have the same rule. It helps to avoid fraud, scandals, embezzlement, theft, misappropriation of funds etc. Only an idiot would hire Bernie Madoff as their accountant while he was on trial. It's a very common rule.

But they hired Handel, who was the subject of an investigation herself.

400 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:16:31pm

re: #398 wrenchwench

Komen Foundation ousted their Democratic lobbyist just before hiring Karen Handel

Oh that's just another coincidence. This isn't political at all so I don't understand the "outrage". I'm going to give them the "benefit of the doubt" until I see some kind of proof! They're just following the rules!

Derp.

//

401 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:21:39pm

How much of this problem would go away if there were a real national single-payer health program?

402 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:24:24pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

It might be the same reason other groups including the federal government have the same rule.

The federal government won't give any money to anything under investigation? Can you cite that, please?

It helps to avoid fraud, scandals, embezzlement, theft, misappropriation of funds etc.

How does it do that, when you've agreed the investigations can be complete bullshit?

Only an idiot would hire Bernie Madoff as their accountant while he was on trial. It's a very common rule.

You know that's a really stupid comparison, right? There was plenty of evidence that Bernie Maddoff was a big crook as he went to trial. What, exactly, is the analogous charge against Planned Parenthood, please?

Can you cite another organization that has this rule?

403 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:26:48pm

re: #399 wrenchwench

despite being once investigated for issuing voter ID regulations that the Department of Justice determined to be discriminatory against non-white voters.

She was investigated once, probably not at the time of her hiring. What was the outcome of that investigation?
According to her wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Within weeks of election day, two federal courts sided with Handel and the state of Georgia on the importance of verification and ordered the state to continue the processes through the election. In May 2009, the U.S. Department of Justice ordered Georgia to cease citizenship verification under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act which requires federal approval to any changes in election laws in a number of (primarily southern) states. Continued legal battles over the issue are considered likely.

See? This is the kind of thing that makes me suspicious of these claims. She might not be a very nice person and I probably don't agree with her on many issues but she wasn't "investigated". She implemented a rule that went to court. She was not under investigation.

404 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:29:33pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

She was investigated once, probably not at the time of her hiring. What was the outcome of that investigation?
According to her wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

See? This is the kind of thing that makes me suspicious of these claims. She might not be a very nice person and I probably don't agree with her on many issues but she wasn't "investigated". She implemented a rule that went to court. She was not under investigation.

And? How the heck is Planned Parenthood under investigation? It's a pending congressional investigation that's been initiated by a pro-life Republican. That's not an actual "investigation" that's taking place. This is Komen's owns standards that they recently changed and not actual Federal law.

405 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:34:13pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

BTW. Congratulations on attaining pro-lifer apologist status. If you don't think there's a war against Planned Parenthood then you are blind. Your alleged impartiality and manufactured pragmatism is part of the problem. Part of a problem that only helps the opponents of free choice and liberty for women to the benefit of right wing theocrats. I find this stance that you're taking indefensible.

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:35:44pm

re: #396 Gus 802

Yeah. Don't worry about anything. Komen is just "following the rules" and this isn't part of a larger effort to take down Planned Parenthood and eventually overturn Roe v. Wade. Yep. And don't pay attention to the Republican influence with Komen including their Palin backed VP, Karen Handel. This is all a coincidence. They're just following the rules!

//

Move along, nothing to see here. And Komen are the real victims.

407 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:35:52pm

re: #401 Decatur Deb

How much of this problem would go away if there were a real national single-payer health program?

That's starting to look like a very appealing idea to me. My premiums went up again this month. It's insane. I think Obamacare is too little too late.

408 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:36:47pm

re: #405 Gus 802

BTW. Congratulations on attaining pro-lifer apologist status. If you don't think there's a war against Planned Parenthood then you are blind. Your alleged impartiality and manufactured pragmatism is part of the problem. Part of a problem that only helps the opponents of free choice and liberty for women to the benefit of right wing theocrats. I find this stance that you're taking indefensible.

I'll be plenty outraged if the accusations are true, I'm just waiting to learn more.

409 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:38:45pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

That's starting to look like a very appealing idea to me. My premiums went up again this month. It's insane. I think Obamacare is too little too late.

OK, now you're a socialist too.

*throws hands up*

//

410 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:38:59pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

That's starting to look like a very appealing idea to me. My premiums went up again this month. It's insane. I think Obamacare is too little too late.

Always seen it as a first, do-able, half-step.

411 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:40:32pm
BTW. Congratulations on attaining pro-lifer apologist status.

I'll even go further: If they do decide that they don't want to work with planned parenthood over the abortion issue then that's they're choice. I disagree with them but they are entitled to make their own moral choices. I won't force my morals on them.

412 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:40:57pm

re: #405 Gus 802

It's not so much a pro-lifer apologist, as "lefties failed with OWS, so I won't take anything from them seriously, and be better off swimming in the independent direction".

413 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:41:28pm

re: #409 Sergey Romanov

OK, now you're a socialist too.

*throws hands up*

//

*up-twinkles*

414 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:41:31pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Who's talking about forcing their morals on them?

415 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:41:39pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

I'll even go further: If they do decide that they don't want to work with planned parenthood over the abortion issue then that's they're choice. I disagree with them but they are entitled to make their own moral choices. I won't force my morals on them.

So basically all of your talk about Sarah Palin and the Tea Party was just a show. You're not really in this for the long haul?

416 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:41:45pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

I'll even go further: If they do decide that they don't want to work with planned parenthood over the abortion issue then that's they're choice. I disagree with them but they are entitled to make their own moral choices. I won't force my morals on them.

Nobody is forcing anything on them, right? Aside from exercising 1st Amdt. and property rights.

417 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:42:46pm

Or you just poked and prodded people about Sarah Palin not because you cared about the dangers of her politics but just to piss people off and put on an air of intellectual superiority. It wasn't really principles. It was just blogging sports.

418 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:43:07pm

re: #257 A Mom Anon

I have a son with Asperger's. I am currently on the outs with my mom in law because I refuse to buy into the puzzle piece ribbons,bracelets,etc. I've always felt that the merchandising was bullshit designed to make someone money(the head of SGK makes 400K a year? Seriously? WTF?).The MIL and my SIL are huge SGK supporters,also. Their hearts are in the right place,but I've always said that it's a better idea to give money directly to the places doing the hands on work of research and care for those in need. The amount of shit I've got for that concept is more than I'll go into here. There's also the idea that you have to always be upbeat when dealing with these kinds of challenges or you're a loser gripes my cookies to no end. It's ok to feel bad when things suck.

My son is 18,he told me a couple weeks ago he didn't need any more "awareness" about autism,he's pretty much aware he has it. He said he'd like people to be aware of what asshats they are to people who are different,all autism aside.

I wanted to comment on this. I don't know if you're still around. I apologize I had to skedaddle earlier.

As a person who did fundraising for SGK, I can tell you that we spent far less money than what we took in. For Komen, we had golfing tournaments. We collected donated items from companies who would put their logos on them (caps, golf balls, water bottles) and gave them as "goodie bags" to the golfers. They paid about $200 for the day and we served lunch.

Then we'd have a silent auction with all donated material. Gourmet food baskets. Signed basketballs from the Miami Heat. Coupons for free dinners at local restaurants. Gift certificates from the supermarket. A weekend stay at a Miami Beach hotel. All that required us running around asking companies to donate.

We really cleaned up on the auctions. Our first year, we made about $16,000. That's cleared money. By the time I left about 6 years later, we had collected $25,000. And like I say, every penny of that money went directly to SGK and SGK gives it to cancer research and treatments. Us fundraisers took nothing, no money, no gas mileage. Zip.

You are right to question charity work and I do agree with you that it's quite offputting that the CEOs of these organizations (United Way comes to mind) make such huge salaries. It definitely turns people off. But that doesn't mean that good money isn't being raised and I can tell you for sure that SGK does honest work.

419 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:43:20pm

1st amdt., as in verbally shaming them.
Property rights, as in refusing to sponsor them.

All withing the law, right? What's the deal?

420 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:45:40pm

re: #415 Gus 802

So basically all of your talk about Sarah Palin and the Tea Party was just a show. You're not really in this for the long haul?

You've discovered my clever ruse. I'm a single payer advocate, atheist and Sarah Palin fan.
/Busted!

421 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:46:10pm

re: #417 Gus 802

(psst. don't say things you might regret tomorrow.)

422 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:46:49pm

re: #267 Petero1818

"I've always felt that the merchandising was bullshit designed to make someone money(the head of SGK makes 400K a year? Seriously? WTF?)"

I don't get this. It is no small task to run a national organization employing thousands, and running hundreds of events, managing countless complicated sponsorship arrangements, marketing and branding and everything else. It is no different than running a large company. If you want it done well, you pay for someone to run it well. 400K for a CEO of such an organization is perfectly acceptable to me. Now this CEO is apparently a fucking moron. But that is not to say that they have not built something impressive here, at least until they destroyed their brand two days ago.

I absolutely do agree, but I think $400K is astronomical if that figure is accurate. $80-100K seems more sensible.

I love this work. I could do it full time if I didn't have to feed myself and pay a mortgage, etc. It's incredibly rewarding and humbling, but you're right. It's very hard.

423 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:47:22pm

You betcha!
*wink*

424 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:48:42pm

re: #423 Killgore Trout

You betcha!
*wink*

Oh. KT was actually Sarah all along. //

425 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:49:17pm

re: #423 Killgore Trout

You betcha!
*wink*

Hey. I heard she likes alpha males. Maybe you should ask her out.

426 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:52:20pm

Because this thread needs it.

427 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:56:12pm

So does this mean that Komen will cut off any funding to Catholic charities. I mean we are talking about a church that's constantly under investigation with regards to "little boys".

428 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:01:16pm

re: #426 Sergey Romanov

Because this thread needs it.

[Video]

What thread doesn't need that???!

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:02:29pm

re: #428 wrenchwench

What thread doesn't need that???!

Some threads are sadder than others. ;)

430 Jimmi the Grey  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:10:50pm

re: #422 marjoriemoon

I absolutely do agree, but I think $400K is astronomical if that figure is accurate. $80-100K seems more sensible.

I love this work. I could do it full time if I didn't have to feed myself and pay a mortgage, etc. It's incredibly rewarding and humbling, but you're right. It's very hard.

Much like teaching, it's a calling. All those high salaries attract people who don't have the calling.

///just to be safe

431 Gus  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:13:16pm

re: #421 Sergey Romanov

(psst. don't say things you might regret tomorrow.)

OK. OK. I get a little steamed. FWIW I Tweeted the Washington Post about an error they made in a Tweet attributing Karen Handel to a quote made by some pro-lifer and got this response. I am looking out for accuracy you know. ;)

432 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:17:28pm

re: #431 Gus 802

Cool!

433 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:46:43pm

re: #430 Jimmi the Grey

Much like teaching, it's a calling. All those high salaries attract people who don't have the calling.

///just to be safe

lol The work I do now is with underprivileged kids. I coordinate 3 activities a year for a local school for immigrant kids. It focuses on teaching literacy for kindergarten, 1st and 2nd graders and their parents, including English lessons and good reading and comprehension skills. The kids are bright as could be. Through my job, we do a school supply drive, a Halloween party and a Christmas party.

I was also quite thrilled with myself, I convinced my bosses to donate $1,500 to the school. We've never given them cash. I could be a kick ass philanthropist.

The director of this program lives a modest life. I suspect I earn more than she does. She's a dynamo who also works with homeless kids. Now there's some hard work. Not sure I could get through that. She tells me stories, I just start bawling.

434 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 6:22:11pm

Heh. Bank of America is under investigation. Is Komen going to sever ties with them?

I"m guessing no, they'll keep taking money from BOA.

435 simoom  Thu, Feb 2, 2012 6:35:15pm

SGK explanation take two -- 'it actually wasn't the Congressional inquiry at all, it's actually all about PP clinics not having mammogram machines':

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I just got off a call with Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure CEO Nancy Brinker and President Elizabeth Thompson, in which the two officials spoke at length about the group’s new policies that would bar the funding of Planned Parenthood. A few takeaways:

It’s now less clear why Planned Parenthood lost the Komen funding. Komen had initially told the Associated Press that Planned Parenthood could not receive funding because it was under government investigation. But today, in no uncertain terms, Johnson indicated that the decision actually had very little to do with an ongoing congressional probe.

“First and foremost, it doesn’t really have anything to do with that,” she said, adding that she didn’t know “very much” about the investigation because she works “20 hours a day focusing on our mission.”

So why did Planned Parenthood lose funding? Brinker says it has to do with the fact that they do not provide mammograms to women, but only provide mammogram referrals. “It was nothing they were doing wrong,” she explained. “We have decided not to fund, whereever possible, pass-through grants. We were giving them money, they were sending women out for mammograms. What we would like to have are clinics where we can directly fund mammograms.”

They seem to have adopted a RW-talking point used in arguing for PP defunding, and swapped it in as their new primary explanation. Obviously, with so much of PP's clientele being young women, they offer breast exams (and self exam instruction) not mammograms, and consultations about concerns/irregularities, and finally the rare referral -- and that's exactly what SGK's been pleased to fund for the last 6-7 years.

436 leftynyc  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:13:40am

re: #398 wrenchwench

Komen Foundation ousted their Democratic lobbyist just before hiring Karen Handel

All the info is going to come out and it will not be pretty for Komen. They've shot themselves in both feet with this moronic, politically motivated move.

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 3:18:42pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

I'll even go further: If they do decide that they don't want to work with planned parenthood over the abortion issue then that's they're choice. I disagree with them but they are entitled to make their own moral choices. I won't force my morals on them.

your grammar is as solid as your opinions


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