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1 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:06:05pm

Hm...Apple selling phones? It'll never work.

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:07:17pm

re: #1 darthstar

Hm...Apple selling phones? It'll never work.

Apple? What are they, some kinda fruit company?

//

3 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:08:41pm

Siri, I want to make something beautiful that will help distract the world from its problems.

4 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:09:02pm

In other happier news, I somehow just managed to win three four person torunaments of texas holdem online in a row.

The cards were just falling my way. (Especially when I went all in on the opening flop with only 4/5ths of a straight and got the final part on the very next card)

5 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:09:53pm

re: #1 darthstar

Hm...Apple selling phones? It'll never work.

Pie in the sky.

6 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:09:57pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

In other happier news, I somehow just managed to win three four person torunaments of texas holdem online in a row.

The cards were just falling my way. (Especially when I went all in on the opening flop with only 4/5ths of a straight and got the final part on the very next card)

It's all about playing the probabilities.

7 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:15:35pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

That's better than my luck. I had seven consonants in a Words with Friends game. There were no vowels to play off, so I had to swap out four tiles. Ended up with seven consonants.

8 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:17:13pm

re: #7 darthstar

Me, I have the luck o' the Irish. That is to say, I have absolutely no luck at all.

9 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:17:19pm

Prediction: Mitt Romney will never let Rachel Maddow interview him.

Rachel opened her show tonight with a takedown of Mitt Romney's "I misspoke" excuse for his disregard for poor people...it was fun, candid, and (if you're Mitt Romney) devastating.

10 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:18:05pm

re: #9 darthstar

Prediction: Mitt Romney will never let Rachel Maddow interview him.

Rachel opened her show tonight with a takedown of Mitt Romney's "I misspoke" excuse for his disregard for poor people...it was fun, candid, and (if you're Mitt Romney) devastating.

I just made up my mind. I know who gets my vote.

11 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:18:29pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

Me, I have the luck o' the Irish. That is to say, I have absolutely no luck at all.

I'm Irish. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

Ha! Santorum failed to make the Indiana ballot! Okay...my luck isn't that shitty after all.

12 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:20:25pm

re: #11 darthstar

I'm Irish. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

Ha! Santorum failed to make the Indiana ballot! Okay...my luck isn't that shitty after all.

I'm half Irish and half Scotch. Whenever anyone asks me why I don't drink, I bring up this fact and explain that even one drink would probably have me running the risk of rampant alcoholism.

13 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:20:40pm

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

I just made up my mind. I know who gets my vote.

Cthulhu '12: Why Choose The Lesser Evil?

14 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:22:31pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

I'm half Irish and half Scotch. Whenever anyone asks me why I don't drink, I bring up this fact and explain that even one drink would probably have me running the risk of rampant alcoholism.

There's a Scottish guy in our team...at this week's off-site, he got drunk...and acted like a 15 year old with his first set of boobs.

15 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:24:41pm

re: #14 darthstar

There's a Scottish guy in our team...at this week's off-site, he got drunk...and acted like a 15 year old with his first set of boobs.

When we closed on our house, the Mrs. Fish and I split a bottle of wine that I had been given as a wedding present. It's the only alcohol I've ever had. It was actually not a very friendly drink for someone who has never drank before.

16 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:25:59pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

When we closed on our house, the Mrs. Fish and I split a bottle of wine that I had been given as a wedding present. It's the only alcohol I've ever had. It was actually not a very friendly drink for someone who has never drank before.

It's okay not to drink. Besides, it leaves more for me.

Wine is an acquired taste. I started acquiring it when I was 5 years old.

17 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:26:29pm

re: #14 darthstar

There's a Scottish guy in our team...at this week's off-site, he got drunk...and acted like a 15 year old with his first set of boobs.

I still have my first set of boobs.

18 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:26:48pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Cthulhu '12: Why Choose The Lesser Evil?

Wait. You're saying the modern GOP is LESS evil than Cthulhu?

19 Lidane  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:27:12pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Cthulhu '12: Why Choose The Lesser Evil?

Cthulhu/Voldemort 2012!

20 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:27:50pm

re: #16 darthstar

It's okay not to drink. Besides, it leaves more for me.

Wine is an acquired taste. I started acquiring it when I was 5 years old.

I do, however, regret not stopping by the Guinness factory when we were in Dublin. I imagine we'll be back in the land of my ancestors eventually, though.

21 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:27:55pm

re: #16 darthstar

It's okay not to drink. Besides, it leaves more for me.

Wine is an acquired taste. I started acquiring it when I was 5 years old.

I still haven't acquired it. I've been too busy with beer, rye, rum and scotch.

22 Lidane  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:28:55pm

Self-awareness -- he haz none:

Newt: Trump Is A 'Brilliant Self-Publicist'

23 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:29:29pm

re: #18 kirkspencer

Wait. You're saying the modern GOP is LESS evil than Cthulhu?

You raise a good argument, after all Cthulhu isn't actively malevolent just hungry.

So I guess it comes down to do you suspect that the GOP honestly think its doing what's best for people (less evil than Cthulhu) or are they a bunch of people trying to preserve their own power bases at any cost (more evil than Cthulhu)

24 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:33:26pm

re: #18 kirkspencer

Wait. You're saying the modern GOP is LESS evil than Cthulhu?

Less evil, more stupid. Though it is important to remember that evil and stupidity are two different states of the same thing. Sort of like ice and steam being two different states of H2O. At certain concentrations, evil and stupidity are interchangeable with no measurable difference in outcome.

25 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:34:57pm

re: #24 negativ

Less evil, more stupid. Though it is important to remember that evil and stupidity are two different states of the same thing. Sort of like ice and steam being two different states of H2O. At certain concentrations, evil and stupidity are interchangeable with no measurable difference in outcome.

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

26 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:35:07pm

re: #20 thedopefishlives

I do, however, regret not stopping by the Guinness factory when we were in Dublin. I imagine we'll be back in the land of my ancestors eventually, though.

I was there about ten years ago...was driving back to the airport from a meeting, saw "St James Gate" and immediately parked the car. I walked into the brewery and shouted to the tour-guides, tourists, and other random bystanders, "Mom! I'M HOME!" They sent me across the street for the nearest pint...I had four before driving to the airport and having three more to celebrate before flying home. (I had a car service to pick me up in London then so there were no concerns once I turned in the rental car.)

27 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:35:52pm

decisions decisions decisions

Should I eat the Boston Cream donuts I bought on the way into work now ,, or wait till I get home and have them just prior to tucking myself into bed!!

UPSIDE ,,,, NOW!!!!

DOWNSIDE ,,, If I do have them now and I want another one just before bed, I know that QT will have sold out of them by the time I pass by the last QT on the way home

{sigh}

28 Shvaughn  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:36:56pm

Meanwhile, apart from pizza concerns, I'm more than a bit worried about Syria.

29 Shvaughn  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:37:25pm

re: #27 sattv4u2

decisions decisions decisions

Should I eat the Boston Cream donuts I bought on the way into work now ,, or wait till I get home and have them just prior to tucking myself into bed!!

UPSIDE ,,, NOW!!!

DOWNSIDE ,,, If I do have them now and I want another one just before bed, I know that QT will have sold out of them by the time I pass by the last QT on the way home

{sigh}

Half now, half before bed?

30 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:38:24pm

re: #29 Shvaughn

Half now, half before bed?

Half a Boston Cream donut staring at me while I make the long quiet drive home??

Idontthinkso!!

31 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:39:16pm

The most illustrative chart of all on unemployment... Wow just jaw dropping scary.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

32 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:39:40pm

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Corollary: any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

33 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:39:58pm

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

I used Hanlon's Razor once, my face will be scarred for life (my wife used it on her legs first).

34 Jimmi the Grey  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:40:13pm

re: #27 sattv4u2

decisions decisions decisions

Should I eat the Boston Cream donuts I bought on the way into work now ,, or wait till I get home and have them just prior to tucking myself into bed!!

UPSIDE ,,, NOW!!!

DOWNSIDE ,,, If I do have them now and I want another one just before bed, I know that QT will have sold out of them by the time I pass by the last QT on the way home

{sigh}

Depends on how much you trust your coworkers/how good of food security you have at work.

35 Shvaughn  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:40:49pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

You only got one donut? There's your problem right there.

36 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:41:32pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

Half a Boston Cream donut staring at me while I make the long quiet drive home??

Idontthinkso!!

Are you telling me you only have one? Bad decision.

37 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:42:35pm

re: #35 Shvaughn

You only got one donut? There's your problem right there.

No ,, I bought 2 (and if you've never seen QT's filled donuts ,, they are good sized)

However,,,, I was just making light of your "half" comment

38 Shvaughn  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:43:30pm

re: #37 sattv4u2

Well then, problem solved! One for now and one for later.

39 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:43:43pm

re: #35 Shvaughn

You only got one donut? There's your problem right there.

It could be a Hawking Donut. Infinitely dense, featuring an event horizon beyond which nothing can escape. sattv4u2 is currently surfing the very edge of the event horizon, and I predict he will get too close and fall in sooner rather than later.

40 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #36 b_sharp

Are you telling me you only have one? Bad decision.

see #37 (and the only reason why I don't have MORE than 2 is thats all QT had this a.m. when I got there)

They get their donuts/ pastries delivered at about midnight

By 8:30 am, they're pretty well gone

41 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:44:44pm

re: #39 negativ

It could be a Hawking Donut. Infinitely dense, featuring an event horizon beyond which nothing can escape. sattv4u2 is currently surfing the very edge of the event horizon, and I predict he will get too close and fall in sooner rather than later.

I just hope we're not around when Satt starts leaking Hawking radiation.

42 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:45:18pm

re: #41 b_sharp

I just hope we're not around when Satt starts leaking Hawking radiation.

I have Haz Mat clearance

43 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:46:23pm

re: #38 Shvaughn

Well then, problem solved! One for now and one for later.

heh ,,, these things are like potato chips to me

ONE !?!?! When there's ANOTHER ,,,,Feh!!

44 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:46:26pm

re: #39 negativ

LOL, I love your wild imagination. ;)

45 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:46:52pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

LOL, I love your wild imagination. ;)

(s)he just wants my donuts

46 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:47:17pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

heh ,,, these things are like potato chips to me

ONE !?!?! When there's ANOTHER ,,,Feh!!

Then you step on the bathroom scale.

/

47 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:48:10pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

I have Haz Mat clearance

I Can Haz Mat.

48 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:48:22pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

I have Haz Mat clearance

That's what I'm afraid of.

49 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:48:55pm

re: #47 BigPapa

I Can Haz Mat.

You can, but does Mat want you to haz him??

50 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:49:18pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

You can, but does Mat want you to haz him??

NTTAWWT!!

51 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:50:20pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

And to goddamnedfrank and wlewisiii

Thanks for giving the high-level warning alarm about this guy, and confirming my suspicions. I'll be having a chat with my OKC imam next week. I'll bring in a printout of the little rant.

52 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:52:14pm

Dammit, now I want a donut. Guess I'll have to settle for an English muffin with jelly. Maybe it'll taste better if I imagine it's a Hawking muffin...

53 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:52:42pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons (accompanied by two tasty treats)

54 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:53:01pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Dammit, now I want a donut. Guess I'll have to settle for an English muffin with jelly. Maybe it'll taste better if I imagine it's a Hawking muffin...

Or just take out the middle first?

55 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:54:19pm

re: #54 Rightwingconspirator

Or just take out the middle first?

Now, there's an idea... voila! jelly donut!

56 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:56:20pm

Some dumbfuck in a truck just backed into a truck in the parking lot outside of my apartment.

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:56:41pm

re: #56 ProLifeLiberal

Some dumbfuck in a truck just backed into a truck in the parking lot outside of my apartment.

Just be glad you're not involved.

58 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:56:43pm

re: #56 ProLifeLiberal

And now he is driving away.

Fuck that guy. I'm gonna check the stationary truck.

59 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:57:02pm

re: #56 ProLifeLiberal

How many fucks in how many trucks?

60 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:57:11pm

re: #56 ProLifeLiberal

That was rhyming but you quit towards the end.

61 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:57:59pm

re: #59 Obdicut

My thoughts exactly.

62 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:58:10pm

re: #59 Obdicut

So that's why they call it an F 150...

63 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 6:59:45pm

re: #59 Obdicut

How many fucks in how many trucks?

Dr. Seuss, is that you?

64 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:00:55pm

re: #59 Obdicut

1 fuck in one truck who backed into another truck and drove off.

The stationary truck has lost paint on the bumper, and part of the bumper was cracked and pushed inwards.

65 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:01:45pm

re: #64 ProLifeLiberal

1 fuck in one truck who backed into another truck and drove off.

The stationary truck has lost paint on the bumper, and part of the bumper was cracked and pushed inwards.

The Fuck's truck smucked the other truck?

66 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:03:06pm

Okay, it is still too early in the evening for ya'll to be getting weird.

67 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:03:11pm

The fuck in the truck did a dirty deed and got himself in the muck, almost ran over a duck!

68 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:04:24pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Yes. Unfortunately, there was no licence plate on the front, and the angle a was little awkward for me to try and get the one on the back. It was a light-colored large truck maybe a GM Model.

That narrows it down to 10,000+ vehicles.

69 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:04:45pm

re: #67 Rightwingconspirator

The fuck in the truck did a dirty deed and got himself in the muck, almost ran over a Duck!

I think it was the fuck's duck driving the truck into the muck.

70 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:10:49pm

re: #69 b_sharp

I think it was the fuck's duck driving the truck into the muck.

And now it's stuck.

71 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:11:16pm

re: #31 Rightwingconspirator

The most illustrative chart of all on unemployment... Wow just jaw dropping scary.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It really is. We've been through a lot and are not out of the woods yet. But some good news, in context of your Page.

Unemployment rate hits 8.3 pct. after hiring burst

US adds 243,000 jobs and unemployment rate drops to 8.3 percent, lowest in three years

I started my own business 18 months ago and think I'll hire this year as luxury construction picks up.

72 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:11:38pm

re: #70 Obdicut

Check your FB.

73 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:11:47pm

re: #70 Obdicut

And now it's stuck.

Stuck in the muck because of a duck, what luck.

74 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:13:36pm

re: #59 Obdicut

How many fucks in how many trucks?

Do whacka do whacka do!

75 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:14:51pm

re: #59 Obdicut

How many fucks in how many trucks?

From the unpublished notes of Dr. Seuss...


edit: too late. bah.

76 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:17:14pm

re: #71 BigPapa

Good for you. Many of the 20th centuries best companies came into existence in the great depression. My little media company DB2 is all about providing work for Dragon_Lady in the short term, and several people including myself in the medium / long term. It shows how small biz is critical to recovery, as one segment among others.

77 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:18:21pm

Antarctica’s about to lose a New York City-sized chunk

"Such an acceleration is of particular concern at the Pine Island Glacier, because, among Antarctic glaciers, it's "the one that's contributing the most to sea level rise."

In fact, [glaciologist Ted Scambos] said, ice flows from that glacier alone account for a quarter to a third of Antarctica's total contribution to sea level rise.

"It's moving at about three kilometers [almost two miles] per year," Scambos said. And, he noted, "it's been accelerating quite a bit."

78 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:18:40pm

re: #72 BigPapa

Checked and check. But warning: I rarely, rarely use it.

79 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:18:51pm

If Russia vetoes tomorrow's UN resolution, they will get one hell of a backlash from the Arab World.

80 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:19:44pm

The Gaspers are saying that the workforce has dropped by 1.7 million since 2/09 and surmises that they are all on welfare and not looking for work. I suppose the term "baby boomer" is beyond their ken.

81 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:19:48pm

re: #76 Rightwingconspirator

Good for you. Many of the 20th centuries best companies came into existence in the great depression. My little media company DB2¹ is all about providing work for Dragon_Lady in the short term, and several people including myself in the medium / long term. It shows how small biz is critical to recovery, as one segment among others.

I've had my own company since 1998, but I've let it slide the last few years. I'm trying to get the wife going in her own jewellery business but she can be tough to motivate.

82 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:21:23pm

re: #81 b_sharp

I've had my own company since 1998, but I've let it slide the last few years. I'm trying to get the wife going in her own jewellery business but she can be tough to motivate.

Artistes. Trouble!

83 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:21:36pm

re: #76 Rightwingconspirator

Good for you. Many of the 20th centuries best companies came into existence in the great depression. My little media company DB2¹ is all about providing work for Dragon_Lady in the short term, and several people including myself in the medium / long term. It shows how small biz is critical to recovery, as one segment among others.

Thanks! Many in my biz are small, 3-5 people up to 10-15. My previous employer was 50-60, which is considered quite large.

My wife is doing books and admin against my previous reservations. She just wants to work with me and be together, and she likes dealing with numbers. So that part of it may be a little cream on top.

84 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:22:36pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Yeah, no worries.

85 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:25:26pm

re: #82 austin_blue

Artistes. Trouble!

I've put together machining capabilities to augment her necklace and earring design work. I have a couple of small lathes and mills and I bought her a kiln so we can expand beyond store bought beads and bindings.

86 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:26:16pm

re: #81 b_sharp

Jewelry is tough. Retail has legs if you have good work & online savvy but the manufacturing side is pretty grim. I was looking at BLS stats yesterday and it's not pretty.

We already lost 1/3rd of jewelry mfg employment since the 1990's. BLS projects another 33% loss in jewelry mfg employment by 2020. It's like steel or textiles/clothes. Gone offshore. In 2020 2/3rds less people will be in the manufacturing side compared to 1995. Figure in population growth and it's uglier.

My perspective & interest is that of a 4th generation guy in the biz.

87 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:30:51pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Jewelry is tough. Retail has legs if you have good work & online savvy but the manufacturing side is pretty grim. I was looking at BLS stats yesterday and it's not pretty.

We already lost 1/3rd of jewelry mfg employment since the 1990's. BLS projects another 33% loss in jewelry mfg employment by 2020. It's like steel or textiles/clothes. Gone offshore. In 2020 2/3rds less people will be in the manufacturing side compared to 1995. Figure in population growth and it's uglier.

My perspective is that of a 4th generation guy in the biz.

So far requests for her work have spread by mouth, much like the way my business first took off. We're just looking for a way to augment her pension when she retires in a couple of years so the pressure on us will be far less than your company experiences.

88 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:31:22pm

re: #80 austin_blue

The Gaspers are saying that the workforce has dropped by 1.7 million since 2/09 and surmises that they are all on welfare and not looking for work. I suppose the term "baby boomer" is beyond their ken.

Where are they getting the 1.7 million number from?

89 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:31:36pm

re: #85 b_sharp

I've put together machining capabilities to augment her necklace and earring design work. I have a couple of small lathes and mills and I bought her a kiln so we can expand beyond store bought beads and bindings.

Very smart. The growth segment is custom. Can't offshore that and it's great for genuine value added. Making it for that person in particular takes the sale away from the discounters and the child labor offshore makers.

Best wishes to you. If an LA contact can be of any help just say so.

90 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:32:24pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

Years ago I was thinking of going for a GIA certification - this was before such things became a sort of marketing gimmick ala the degree/certificate of the month edu-scam that these things are today.

Anyway, mineralogy and gemology are fascinating and a truly unique and well crafted piece of jewelry is one of those art forms that can last and be appreciated for millennia.

91 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:34:38pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Very smart. The growth segment is custom. Can't offshore that and it's great for genuine value added. Making it for that person in particular takes the sale away from the discounters and the child labor offshore makers.

Best wishes to you. If an LA contact can be of any help just say so.

Thank you sir. I may take you up on that.

Or I may just use grabbing a cup of coffee with you as an excuse to drag the wife to California.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:37:11pm

Ah, well, the alcoholic gulf war vet across the street got his ass arrested again. The way the officer was shouting commands, it sounds like he was acting even stupider than usual. No big noises thankfully. He was probably a boarderline/functional alcoholic before combat and is pretty much a PTSD poster child afterwards. I keep hoping he'll get help but I doubt it. Really he's turning into one of those you simply pray doesn't take any with him when it's all said and done...

93 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:37:23pm

re: #90 freetoken

Years ago I was thinking of going for a GIA certification - this was before such things became a sort of marketing gimmick ala the degree/certificate of the month edu-scam that these things are today.

Anyway, mineralogy and gemology are fascinating and a truly unique and well crafted piece of jewelry is one of those art forms that can last and be appreciated for millennia.

At least GIA did keep it's standards high. And a GIA lab cert on a stone is still the most respected report there is by far. Their books are the best definitive works. IMO-But a GG was never necessary for making jewelry or working at a store. Buying stones is where you need it.

94 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:44:43pm

re: #91 b_sharp

Hey, those of us still in it gotta work together. Grab my email if you don't already have it.

95 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:49:36pm

re: #94 Rightwingconspirator

Hey, those of us still in it gotta work together. Grab my email if you don't already have it.

Where do I get it?

My nic is blue if you want to email your email addy to me.

96 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:49:48pm

NSFW, but this must be seen.

This is what is going on in Syria right now.

97 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:50:52pm

re: #96 ProLifeLiberal

NSFW, but this must be seen.

This is what is going on in Syria right now.

[Video]

Fuck, fuck.

98 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:51:26pm

hiya all. anybody see Oily Taint got her ass handed to her by an empty table? The rants on WND are epic, as usual.

99 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:53:02pm

re: #97 b_sharp

One response on Twitter:

bzygo Brian Zygo
Right now, I have no objection to sending Seal Team 6 after Assad

My opinion:

If Turkey decides to act, I have no problem if they drag us along for the ride. It would be the right thing to do.

100 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:55:32pm

Well, Newt Gingrich finally went and made my shit list, with the following piece of bullshit:

Gingrich hammered the class-based themes again and again.

He attacked out-of-touch news media "elites" who reside in Manhattan high rises and "ride the subway" (perhaps unaware of who rides public transportation in New York City).

At one point, he even compared Romney to President Barack Obama, whom he has routinely described as a "food stamp president."

Like Obama, he claimed, Romney wants Americans to live off food stamps instead of paychecks.

"Obama is big food stamp, he is little food stamp," Gingrich said of Romney. "But they both think food stamps are okay."

I'd point out that neither Barack Obama nor Mitt Romney "think food stamps are okay", but rather they both see food stamps as a something that some families may sometimes need to survive and that thus it is societally and morally better therefore for food stamps to exist.

But of course such words would be wasted on a egomaniacal blowhard like Newt. As a consequence of this lie/dogwhistle Newt Gingrich just produced, he joins the list of candidate I will not vote for, period. If Newt Gingrich wins the Republican nomination, I will vote for Barack Obama.

101 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:55:50pm

What's a good replacement for a dying GeForce 9800GT? The PC is nothing special - dual core Athlon x2 7750, 4GB RAM. Need equal or better video performance. Stable Linux drivers are a must. What say ye?

102 Lidane  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:56:01pm

Another Friday night insanity break:

Have a good one, Lizards! I'm off to be social with some friends tonight. Be safe! :)

103 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:57:22pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Where do I get it?

My nic is blue if you want to email your email addy to me.

I had checked my nic, but look at yer inbox...

104 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:59:31pm

re: #92 wlewisiii

Ah, well, the alcoholic gulf war vet across the street got his ass arrested again. The way the officer was shouting commands, it sounds like he was acting even stupider than usual. No big noises thankfully. He was probably a boarderline/functional alcoholic before combat and is pretty much a PTSD poster child afterwards. I keep hoping he'll get help but I doubt it. Really he's turning into one of those you simply pray doesn't take any with him when it's all said and done...

I'm working on a meeting for military health care right now. Do you want me to take a look into what sort of PTSD treatment programs may be available in your area. I know where to look, and I've got contacts who can tell me if a program is properly focused.

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:59:39pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Took you longer than it might have ;) but at least you reached the right decision on the ethically challenged amphibian.

Newt is a loose canon at this point. I could actually see him trying to mount a third party campaign simply out of hateful spite.

106 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:00:04pm

re: #96 ProLifeLiberal

NSFW, but this must be seen.

This is what is going on in Syria right now.

[Video]

Oh no. No no no.
What was that place?! What was being said?

107 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:00:10pm

This is the city Al-Assad is destroying.

Homs

It looks like a beautiful city. And it's population is over 1 million. This could make Hama in the 80's look tiny.

I hate saying this, but we have the Western Nations and the Arab League agreeing. I think an attack on Al-Assad must occur. Preferably by someone's Special Ops. Doesn't need to be us.

In fact, I would advocate the use of Norway's. They are seen positively in the Arab and Muslim World, and there would not be as much suspicion of the Norwegians doing it. Their Special Forces are Top-Notch as well. In addition, they are close allies with Turkey, so getting there would not be an issue.

108 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:00:15pm

re: #101 negativ

What's a good replacement for a dying GeForce 9800GT? The PC is nothing special - dual core Athlon x2 7750, 4GB RAM. Need equal or better video performance. Stable Linux drivers are a must. What say ye?

Just about anything ATI. NVidia is also good but ATI meshes with AMD a tad better in my opinion.(I'm assuming a PCIe board)

109 JAFO  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:02:25pm

re: #101 negativ

What's a good replacement for a dying GeForce 9800GT? The PC is nothing special - dual core Athlon x2 7750, 4GB RAM. Need equal or better video performance. Stable Linux drivers are a must. What say ye?

AGP? not much left to choose from.

110 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:03:03pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

I can't tell. I think Homs.

I'm going to say that a Norwegian Spec Ops attack like what happened to Bin Laden is needed. Of course, we would have to transfer munitions to Norway, as they drained nearly everything they had (Aircraft Wise) on Libya.

Norway did 10% of all the airstrikes in Libya. They did a way-outsized contribution to that war. Just as they resisted disproportionately compared to their size in WWII.

111 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:03:19pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

I'm working on a meeting for military health care right now. Do you want me to take a look into what sort of PTSD treatment programs may be available in your area. I know where to look, and I've got contacts who can tell me if a program is properly focused.

There are plenty here in Madtown, DF. A good VA hospital if nothing else. But he has yet to bottom out and as a result is unwilling to be helped. His GF is a total co-dependent which doesn't help either.

Thank you for asking though. As one treadhead for another, I'd like to see him get what he needs but he won't until he's either ready or dead.

112 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:04:10pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

Oh no. No no no.
What was that place?! What was being said?

I'm rather certain that I can imagine and I do not want to know if I am right...

113 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:07:59pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

This deserves our full attention. You are on the right track with Norway I think, and it's probably time to admit that like Libya, we can help but we are not in a position to overtly lead or put men on the ground. The Arab League has aid they could use some help, which is rare enough to take heed.

114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:08:10pm

re: #108 b_sharp

re: #109 mracb

It's PCIe. I don't really have the budget (read: I'm not drunk and impulsive enough) to build a whole new computer at this point, but I also don't want to waste money buying something crappy.

115 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:08:19pm

re: #103 Rightwingconspirator

I had checked my nic, but look at yer inbox...

Your nic went to your LGF pages.
I just sent a reply with my meat-world name and addy.

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:09:41pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Dammit, now I want a donut. Guess I'll have to settle for an English muffin with jelly. Maybe it'll taste better if I imagine it's a Hawking muffin...

Mandlebrot set crannies hold more butter.

117 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:10:36pm

re: #105 wlewisiii

Took you longer than it might have ;) but at least you reached the right decision on the ethically challenged amphibian.

Newt is a loose canon at this point. I could actually see him trying to mount a third party campaign simply out of hateful spite.

Me too. It's the hate that finally turned me against Newt. I first saw that 'big and little food stamp' malarkey on the CNN crawl at Wendy's earlier today. Right before it was a Rick Santorum quote that (as I remember it) was Santorum saying he wanted the GOP to reach out to "100% of America". The subtext of the two ads could not have been more different:

Santorum subtext: "I will engage people with whom I do not agree. I may not change my mind, but I will listen. I do not seek a narrow, regional Republican Party."

Gingrich subtext: "Obama supports letting people mooch idlely off of the public teat, and because he supports a 'safety net' Romney is just Obama 'lite'. Sons of the South, vote for me!"

Whatever you think of Rick Santorum, his remarks were honest, decent spirited and based on the GOP's actual needs. Newt Gingrich's remarks were dishonest, mean spirited, and based only on his own needs.

118 BongCrodny  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:10:44pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

As a consequence of this lie/dogwhistle Newt Gingrich just produced, he joins the list of candidate I will not vote for, period. If Newt Gingrich wins the Republican nomination, I will vote for Barack Obama.

Still, that's something you probably won't have to worry about.

119 JAFO  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:11:33pm

re: #114 negativ

PCIe has lots of choices, so you could get whatever fits your budget. I'm a Nvidia fan as I have never had good luck with ATI but most people don't seem to have my ATI curse.

120 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:11:36pm

re: #114 negativ

re: #109 mracb

It's PCIe. I don't really have the budget (read: I'm not drunk and impulsive enough) to build a whole new computer at this point, but I also don't want to waste money buying something crappy.

What do you want to do with it? Do you need 1GB DDR3 (or higher) vid RAM, or can you do with less?

121 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:11:53pm

re: #113 Rightwingconspirator

Sweden isn't thought of too badly either, and again, is friendly with Turkey. I think Turkey, Norway, and Sweden would have to be the most important nations in an intervention.

And such intervention should have two goals only. Getting rid of Al-Assad and his commanders. Decapitate the current Government. And stop the destructive bombardment of these cities.

122 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:12:04pm

re: #116 oaktree

Mandlebrot set crannies hold more butter.

Infinitely more.

123 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:13:59pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

I can't tell. I think Homs.

I'm going to say that a Norwegian Spec Ops attack like what happened to Bin Laden is needed. Of course, we would have to transfer munitions to Norway, as they drained nearly everything they had (Aircraft Wise) on Libya.

Norway did 10% of all the airstrikes in Libya. They did a way-outsized contribution to that war. Just as they resisted disproportionately compared to their size in WWII.

Spec Ops wouldn't have good enough odds of working, Assad's got too much firepower near to hand. If the SF force got got bogged down, even for a short time, reinforcements would arrive and swamp them through sheer weight of numbers.

Better a surprise bombing attack by B-2s. That would have a much lower risk level.

124 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:16:18pm

re: #80 austin_blue

The Gaspers are saying that the workforce has dropped by 1.7 million since 2/09 and surmises that they are all on welfare and not looking for work. I suppose the term "baby boomer" is beyond their ken.

Figured out what the 1.7m bit is about. Apparently the BLS numbers released today are the first to take into account adjustments by the Census Bureau, which caused a statistical spike in the number of people who've dropped out. Of course, like most "outrages," it's easily explained away as the Census discovering a lot of folks who either aren't officially listed or were assumed to have died by the government.

But that hasn't stopped the wingnuts from insisting that it's "proof" that the unemployment rate is a sham, that the number of folks looking for a job crashed, and that Obama's cooking the books for his reelection.

125 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:16:50pm

re: #119 mracb

PCIe has lots of choices, so you could get whatever fits your budget. I'm a Nvidia fan as I have never had good luck with ATI but most people don't seem to have my ATI curse.

I've used both, but I tend to use ATI for AMD and NVidia for Intel, although most boards now use onboard video.

126 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:17:11pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Maybe a combined air attack by Norway, Sweden, and Turkey? Combined with Spec Ops going hunting?

Of course, we would have transfer bombs and munitions to Norway. As stated earlier, Norway ran down to near empty fighting Qaddafi.

Edit: Should note that Sweden participated in Air Attacks during Libya. Sweden can now be pushed to war.

127 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:18:05pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Spec Ops wouldn't have good enough odds of working, Assad's got too much firepower near to hand. If the SF force got got bogged down, even for a short time, reinforcements would arrive and swamp them through sheer weight of numbers.

Better a surprise bombing attack by B-2s. That would have a much lower risk level.

That's assuming you can get good intel on where he is at the moment and it's a place where even a precision strike won't cause a lot of collateral damage. And trying one and "missing" onto a civilian target would simply be handing Assad (and Iran?) a massive propaganda coup.

128 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:18:41pm

re: #114 negativ

re: #109 mracb

It's PCIe. I don't really have the budget (read: I'm not drunk and impulsive enough) to build a whole new computer at this point, but I also don't want to waste money buying something crappy.

EVGA 01G-P3-1460-KR GeForce GTX 560

129 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:19:48pm

re: #127 oaktree

That's assuming you can get good intel on where he is at the moment and it's a place where even a precision strike won't cause a lot of collateral damage. And trying one and "missing" onto a civilian target would simply be handing Assad (and Iran?) a massive propaganda coup.

Maybe they can start with the artillery units that are shelling cities.

130 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:21:24pm

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

In defense of state Sen. Dennis Kruse [who pushed the recent Indiana Senate bill introducing creationism into schools], he does understand how science works. Bill Sullivan’s (Letters, Jan. 31) statement that the bedrock principle of the scientific method is the generation of a testable hypothesis, which creation stories cannot provide, applies equally to the theory of evolution. The theory of macroevolution where one organism can morph into an entirely different one has not been shown even once let alone duplicated in monitored experiments. Show me how a catfish is turned into a cat.

They rely on the untestable assumptions that long periods of time and chance are needed. Chance is a mathematical probability, which has no means of retaining, and analyzing information needed to prefect a complex organism. Only a superior intelligence is capable of designing a living cell that can reproduce itself, check for and correct mistakes in that reproduction process.

The Big Bang and evolutionary theories both have a lot of untested hypotheses. If they were thoroughly tested, they would be laws and not theories. The fact is that neither creationism nor evolution can be tested because they are interpretations of past historical events, and an unobserved historical event cannot be repeatedly tested.

Don Paul

Indianapolis

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:21:48pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Well, I can't say I have quite as good of an opinion of Mr. Santorum as you do, I can see where you're coming from and that is a legitimate argument. I note that while he and I would disagree on implementation (to put it nicely :) he didn't sleep through the social justice homilies as Newt obviously has (of course, I don't exactly think his conversion was terribly sincere in the first place so why would he care about subtleties of catholic (not just Roman) theology)

I could go on. I've written and erased a bunch of stuff. You get the clue.

The Ethically Challenged Amphibian simply needs the proper application of the Clue-Bat.

132 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:22:08pm

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Wouldn't be hard. If Turkey could be goaded into acting without UN support, Assad wouldn't have any time to prepare. Norway and Sweden would need a day or two to transfer any forces to bases in Turkey anyway.

133 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:22:11pm

re: #128 Gus 802

EVGA 01G-P3-1460-KR GeForce GTX 560

Nice card but I don't think a 2008 board will have a PCIe X16 slot.

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:22:25pm

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Maybe they can start with the artillery units that are shelling cities.

That's not a decapitation strike aimed for Assad and the Syrian leadership per DF's comments. That's treating symptoms and essentially going the Libya route.

135 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:23:45pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Spec Ops wouldn't have good enough odds of working, Assad's got too much firepower near to hand. If the SF force got got bogged down, even for a short time, reinforcements would arrive and swamp them through sheer weight of numbers.

Better a surprise bombing attack by B-2s. That would have a much lower risk level.

Can we paint the three Swedish crowns on their wings for plausible deniability?

:LOL:

136 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:23:45pm

re: #118 BongCrodny

Still, that's something you probably won't have to worry about.

Yeah, I know. But sometimes you really do need to plant your flag and make it crystal clear how you feel.

137 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:23:48pm

re: #133 b_sharp

Nice card but I don't think a 2008 board will have a PCIe X16 slot.

Ahhhhh. EVGAs are pretty nice cards. Straight forward.

138 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:24:10pm

re: #130 freetoken

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

*facepalm*

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:24:35pm

re: #130 freetoken

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

Catfish turned into cat. (No evolution required)
1. Catch catfish
2. Cook catfish
3. Feed tasty catfish to cat (MOAR!)
4. Catfish digested and turned into fur, cat, and purring.
5. PROFIT!

140 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:24:36pm

re: #130 freetoken

The theory of macroevolution where one organism can morph into an entirely different one has not been shown even once let alone duplicated in monitored experiments. Show me how a catfish is turned into a cat.

Wha.......

THE STUPID, IT BURNS!!!!

141 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:25:04pm

re: #130 freetoken

Prove that a catfish turned into a cat

Prove that they didn't!

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:26:07pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I know. But sometimes you really do need to plant your flag and make it crystal clear how you feel.

Amen.

143 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:26:17pm

re: #130 freetoken

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

Ahhhh.

See. You learn something new everyday.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:26:33pm

re: #130 freetoken

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

Oy.

Double face palm.

145 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:26:56pm

re: #134 oaktree

That's not a decapitation strike aimed for Assad and the Syrian leadership per DF's comments. That's treating symptoms and essentially going the Libya route.

Yes, but they are things we could target more easily. Plus they are military units engaged in warfare against their own people, and hence the moral case for destroying them is strong and easy to make. And aiding aircraft in targeting arty positions is a job SF tends to be very good at.

146 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:27:11pm

re: #134 oaktree

That's not a decapitation strike aimed for Assad and the Syrian leadership per DF's comments. That's treating symptoms and essentially going the Libya route.

Quite true. I'd like to see an improvement on Libya, but a similar course of events is fine with me. As you say a bomb in the wrong place is a disaster, I just think hitting the units that attack civilians directly send a powerful inarguable message.

147 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:28:00pm

Still snowing.

148 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:29:45pm

re: #135 wlewisiii

There is one thing the Swedish Air Force has that would make it absolutely miserable to fight them.

Those Gripens you see? Yeah, they can be refueled and rearmed in 10 minutes flat. Not only that, but they are being upgraded.

The NG version will have Mach 1.1 supercruise, 40% more fuel, AESA radar, will probably get thrust vectoring.

In short: When (and if) Sweden starts attacking it will not stop.

149 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:30:17pm

re: #141 BigPapa

Prove that a catfish turned into a cat

Prove that they didn't!

Well, it's all pretty clear:

"catfish" == "cat" + "fish"

Then, the "fish" part left the "catfish" and all that was left was the "cat".

How much easier could it be?

150 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:30:31pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I don't see the issue with doing both.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:32:11pm

re: #149 freetoken

Prove that they didn't!

Well, it's all pretty clear:

"catfish" == "cat" + "fish"

Then, the "fish" part left the "catfish" and all that was left was the "cat".

How much easier could it be?

You just need to find the right pet shop.

152 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:32:55pm

re: #149 freetoken

Fish = Cat fuud
Cat eat fish
Cat + fish = catfish

Purina Cat Chow, 3:16

153 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:33:41pm

re: #130 freetoken

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

Laup Nod there just earned his creationist medal, the Order of the Silver Crocoduck.

154 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:34:13pm

Don't forget those barking dogfish.

//

155 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:34:15pm

re: #149 freetoken

Prove that they didn't!

Well, it's all pretty clear:

"catfish" == "cat" + "fish"

Then, the "fish" part left the "catfish" and all that was left was the "cat".

How much easier could it be?

Well, that explains bullfrogs. Woodpeckers are still a puzzlement, though.

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:34:42pm

All this catfish discussion has made the Feline Overlord hungry. Back in a bit.

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:35:08pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but they are things we could target more easily. Plus they are military units engaged in warfare against their own people, and hence the moral case for destroying them is strong and easy to make. And aiding aircraft in targeting arty positions is a job SF tends to be very good at.

Fuck laser targeting.

Get out the old B-52's with F22 escorts. Carpet bomb the units engaged against civilians. Operation Rolling Thunder Junior, anyone?

Of course if the B-2s were used to destroy the Syrian government's C3I infrastructure simultaneously, well, I'd hardly be unhappy.

I just really wish we had about a half million crowbars in orbit. Ortillery would do wonders on that asshat's day :)

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:35:52pm

re: #155 austin_blue

Well, it's all pretty clear:

"catfish" == "cat" + "fish"

Then, the "fish" part left the "catfish" and all that was left was the "cat".

How much easier could it be?

Well, that explains bullfrogs. Woodpeckers are still a puzzlement, though.

That's what they had to do before Viagra. Helped keep the carpenters employed in hard times as well.

159 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:36:45pm

re: #158 oaktree

That's what they had to do before Viagra. Helped keep the carpenters employed in hard times as well.

Brilliant!

160 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:36:47pm

re: #130 freetoken

A letter to the editor from Indianapolis, just because:

Evolution can’t be proven and tested, either

Dunning-Kruger at work.

161 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:38:22pm

re: #150 ProLifeLiberal

I don't see the issue with doing both.

The issue is that Assad has so much security that any ground based attack on him would need a full-on US Army Ranger battalion to have a good shot at succeeding. We have to severely disrupt his guard force before we can attack him directly on the ground. The good news on that front is that Syria's Republican Guard division tat protects Assad has T-72 battalions. We might start by siccing our A-10 Warthogs on those tanks. Seeing their armor blow up like bombs should crater the divisional infantry's morale.

162 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:38:23pm

re: #148 ProLifeLiberal

There is one thing the Swedish Air Force has that would make it absolutely miserable to fight them.

Those Gripens you see? Yeah, they can be refueled and rearmed in 10 minutes flat. Not only that, but they are being upgraded.

The NG version will have Mach 1.1 supercruise, 40% more fuel, AESA radar, will probably get thrust vectoring.

In short: When (and if) Sweden starts attacking it will not stop.

Honestly think we should just shit-can the F-35 and put the Gripen on a short list of aircraft to choose a replacement for the F-16 fleet from.

163 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:38:24pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Still snowing.

Here, it's still melting.

164 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:40:00pm

re: #162 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It also costs just $60 million a pop.

165 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:40:01pm

re: #157 wlewisiii

Fuck laser targeting.

Get out the old B-52's with F22 escorts. Carpet bomb the units engaged against civilians. Operation Rolling Thunder Junior, anyone?

Of course if the B-2s were used to destroy the Syrian government's C3I infrastructure simultaneously, well, I'd hardly be unhappy.

I just really wish we had about a half million crowbars in orbit. Ortillery would do wonders on that asshat's day :)

F-22s for that? No can do.

//

166 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:41:00pm

re: #164 ProLifeLiberal

It also costs just $60 million a pop.

Hell of a deal. Just the savings in maintenance alone would be fantastic.

167 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:41:14pm

re: #157 wlewisiii

Fuck laser targeting.

Get out the old B-52's with F22 escorts. Carpet bomb the units engaged against civilians. Operation Rolling Thunder Junior, anyone?

Of course if the B-2s were used to destroy the Syrian government's C3I infrastructure simultaneously, well, I'd hardly be unhappy.

I just really wish we had about a half million crowbars in orbit. Ortillery would do wonders on that asshat's day :)

CEP (Circular Error Probability) is too large in that scenario, we'd have stray bombs falling on civilian areas doing that (and quite possibly killing the Free Syrian Army men we'd want to support). Better to send B-1s, armed with smart bombs that offer far better hit probabilities.

168 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:42:34pm

re: #165 Gus 802

F-22s for that? No can do.

//

The little shitbirds need to earn their living too... ///

Better than the F-35 though that ain't saying much.

169 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:42:37pm

re: #162 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Honestly think we should just shit-can the F-35 and put the Gripen on a short list of aircraft to choose a replacement for the F-16 fleet from.

The United States choose a foreign fighter design to replace the F-16? The right wing and defense industry freak-out would go on for years.

170 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:43:35pm

re: #165 Gus 802

F-22s for that? No can do.

//

They cam fly escort, and in such a role they'd turn any MiGs that dared to take off into falling debris. In that scenario, you'd send the F-22s in with no warning, to allow them to get some kills and earn their keep.

171 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:44:44pm

re: #169 oaktree

The United States choose a foreign fighter design to replace the F-16? The right wing and defense industry freak-out would go on for years.

Fuck'em. Lockheed and Boeing have grown fat and complacent on guaranteed government contracts. Time to introduce some lean and mean competition, even if it means sourcing it from foreign companies.

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:45:16pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

CEP (Circular Error Probability) is too large in that scenario, we'd have stray bombs falling on civilian areas doing that (and quite possibly killing the Free Syrian Army men we'd want to support). Better to send B-1s, armed with smart bombs that offer far better hit probabilities.

You have a point, but in Gulf 1, the contrails of the B-52's were often enough to cause surrenders by Iraqi forces. Especially on sortie 2+ ... The psychological reasons are often more powerful than the actual bombs.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:45:39pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

CEP (Circular Error Probability) is too large in that scenario, we'd have stray bombs falling on civilian areas doing that (and quite possibly killing the Free Syrian Army men we'd want to support). Better to send B-1s, armed with smart bombs that offer far better hit probabilities.

How much are JDAM kits down to now due to economics of scale? And I believe they have kits for 500 lb (250 kg) bombs at this point as well. Don't need as big a bomb since the precision is so good.

And I think B-52s can haul load-outs of them now. Though you need better suppression of SAM and such to use them instead of the B-1s.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:45:49pm

You know, the idea of pulling a massive bovine where you want him/her to go through a ring in their nose? Seems really practical.

But? Well? Ouch.

(that was about the video, btw... not about military contracts)

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:46:12pm

re: #169 oaktree

The United States choose a foreign fighter design to replace the F-16? The right wing and defense industry freak-out would go on for years.

That could be mitigated, but Saab would have to agree to let a US firm build the aircraft under license. Grippens built in Sweden would not be seen as acceptable, but Grippens build by Lockheed-Martin might be a different story.

176 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:46:20pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

They cam fly escort, and in such a role they'd turn any MiGs that dared to take off into falling debris. In that scenario, you'd send the F-22s in with no warning, to allow them to get some kills and earn their keep.

Nah. There's no way the generals would allow any F-22 into someplace like Syria. Too expensive. They're saving those for air defense and in case of any real military action on US soil or our European allies. It will likely retire without having seen much action.

177 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:46:50pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

They cam fly escort, and in such a role they'd turn any MiGs that dared to take off into falling debris. In that scenario, you'd send the F-22s in with no warning, to allow them to get some kills and earn their keep.

But why do that when F-15s can do the job for less?

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:47:26pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

That could be mitigated, but Saab would have to agree to let a US firm build the aircraft under license. Grippens built in Sweden would not be seen as acceptable, but Grippens build by Lockheed-Martin might be a different story.

Sort of like McD-D building Harriers under license. Which unfortunately will probably lead to cost overruns, tons of modifications, teething problems, and therefore less savings then anyone projected.

179 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:48:10pm

re: #172 wlewisiii

You have a point, but in Gulf 1, the contrails of the B-52's were often enough to cause surrenders by Iraqi forces. Especially on sortie 2+ ... The psychological reasons are often more powerful than the actual bombs.

True, but not all the units you target will give up like that. And that sort of attack won't work against units that set up their artillery in towns or villages.

180 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:48:36pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

That could be mitigated, but Saab would have to agree to let a US firm build the aircraft under license. Grippens built in Sweden would not be seen as acceptable, but Grippens build by Lockheed-Martin might be a different story.

That's what I figured, have Lockheed or Boeing build them under contract, with any adjustments/mods done to suit customer needs. Avoids a lot of the trouble involved in things like transmitting/transporting classified specs and miscommunication.

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:48:43pm

re: #177 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But why do that when F-15s can do the job for less?

To prove that it can do the work.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:48:51pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

That could be mitigated, but Saab would have to agree to let a US firm build the aircraft under license. Grippens built in Sweden would not be seen as acceptable, but Grippens build by Lockheed-Martin might be a different story.

As long as the royalties/license was sufficient, I can see that working. Rather like the M240 where we finally got a decent GPMG for the first time since WWII.

183 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:49:42pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Nah. There's no way the generals would allow any F-22 into someplace like Syria. Too expensive. They're saving those for air defense and in case of any real military action on US soil or our European allies. It will likely retire without having seen much action.

Well, some of us thought that of the B1 & B2 as well.

184 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:50:12pm

re: #177 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But why do that when F-15s can do the job for less?

As proof we "need" them?

185 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:50:28pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

That could be mitigated, but Saab would have to agree to let a US firm build the aircraft under license. Grippens built in Sweden would not be seen as acceptable, but Grippens build by Lockheed-Martin might be a different story.

The F-35 will come on line soon. No turning back now. Most everything will be converted to UAVs eventually. The F-35 will likely be one of the last manned attack/fighters. But we won't be buying Grippens anytime soon. Combat aircraft must remain designed and built in the USA.

186 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:50:33pm

re: #178 oaktree

Sort of like McD-D building Harriers under license. Which unfortunately will probably lead to cost overruns, tons of modifications, teething problems, and therefore less savings then anyone projected.

I know, Oh Christ but do I know!

GODDAMN DEFECTIVE FUCKING DEFENSE PROCUREMENT!!!

Sorry, that was some work stress being let out.

187 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:51:00pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

To prove that it can do the work.

First, I'd like to see that they can fly without killing their pilots. Last I heard, they're still having problems with the onboard oxygen.

188 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:51:26pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

I would like the time to remember the awesomeness of how the French kicked off the Intervention in Libya.

The French went in independently, and fired the first shots. They went in and started shooting before the rest of us, and routed Qaddafi's Forces attacking Benghazi. The most glorious example of the proverbial Cavalry coming to the Rescue in a very long time.

189 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:52:19pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

I would expect that, but prefer that Northrup-Grumman be the company to be the contractor.

190 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:52:38pm

re: #185 Gus 802

The F-35 will come on line soon. No turning back now. Most everything will be converted to UAVs eventually. The F-35 will likely be one of the last manned attack/fighters. But we won't be buying Grippens anytime soon. Combat aircraft must remain designed and built in the USA.

You mean, after one-per-decade proclamations that manned flight is on the way out, they might actually be close to making it true? I don't see it happening.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:54:35pm

re: #190 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You mean, after one-per-decade proclamations that manned flight is on the way out, they might actually be close to making it true? I don't see it happening.

Of course. The military industrial complex has been promoting Playstation for the past two decades so that the controllers are pretrained for when we do the massive UAV for all purposes roll-out.
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192 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:54:56pm

re: #182 wlewisiii

As long as the royalties/license was sufficient, I can see that working. Rather like the M240 where we finally got a decent GPMG for the first time since WWII.

And PEO Soldier has now proven able to improve it with a titanium receiver, which provides major weight savings while maintaining strength and reliability. The resultant weapon is called the M240L.

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:55:15pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

I know, Oh Christ but do I know!

GODDAMN DEFECTIVE FUCKING DEFENSE PROCUREMENT!!!

Sorry, that was some work stress being let out.

Trust me, as a former tanker I know that pain too...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bad enough that when we gave M-60 tanks to the Israeli army in the heat of the 73 war they threw them out rather than let them jam in combat. It was considered safer to not have a co-ax mg (!) than to have that one... :EEK:

194 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:55:43pm

re: #183 wlewisiii

Well, some of us thought that of the B1 & B2 as well.

The B-1 was almost cancelled and scraped. Most are pretty old at this point. So maybe in 20 years we'll be seeing remaining F-22s being deployed for grass fires. B-2s are less vulnerable at high altitudes. Any likely scenario would involve NATO aircraft which could include Grippens, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s. Unlikely that Germany would want to get involved. Then there's that one big sticking point much like Iran and it's called Russia.

195 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:56:22pm

re: #189 ProLifeLiberal

I would expect that, but prefer that Northrup-Grumman be the company to be the contractor.

Explain, please. I'm not being critical, i just want to hear your reasoning.

196 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:57:02pm

re: #130 freetoken

From your link

The Big Bang and evolutionary theories both have a lot of untested hypotheses. If they were thoroughly tested, they would be laws and not theories.

Test the Big Bang? * chuckle*

As to laws and theories, clearly the writer is not an English major or he would know that Laws are what is known to happen (apples fall in certain direction), but not understood, until a Theory (scientific) is developed.

If only more people would read dictionaries before they used words to guide their lives.

197 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:57:05pm

Won't happen though.

198 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:57:23pm

re: #193 wlewisiii

Trust me, as a former tanker I know that pain too...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bad enough that when we gave M-60 tanks to the Israeli army in the heat of the 73 war they threw them out rather than let them jam in combat. It was considered safer to not have a co-ax mg (!) than to have that one... :EEK:

Heh, just read about that in a book I picked up in the bargain bin, "The World's Worst Weapons."

199 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:57:41pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

And PEO Soldier has now proven able to improve it with a titanium receiver, which provides major weight savings while maintaining strength and reliability. The resultant weapon is called the M240L.

Kewl. Hadn't heard of that variant. I do know that as a tanker I was one of the first in the US Army to use the 240. The FN MAG was available in 1958, just as the M-60 POS was. Had we only purchased it then...

200 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:58:25pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

What about the radar profile? Darn vulnerable against a more modern air force. OK for Syria I suppose but not long term.

201 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:59:03pm

Lately I've been obsessed with watching doomsday movies from various eras... last viewed was the BBC TV special form 1984, Threads (which is scarily good).

In that show the reason for the End was fighting in Iran (basically over oil) leads to nuclear war.

Given the determined beating of war drums about Iran the past few years it is indeed scary that here we are, 28 years later, still fretting over Iran... and nuclear weapons.

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:59:22pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Explain, please. I'm not being critical, i just want to hear your reasoning.

Much better history about on time, on contract and building something that brings pilots home?

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 8:59:31pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

And PEO Soldier has now proven able to improve it with a titanium receiver, which provides major weight savings while maintaining strength and reliability. The resultant weapon is called the M240L.

Interesting how titanium is working it's way from aerospace applications down into smaller military roles.

204 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:00:04pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

I've heard some pretty bad stories about Lockheed. My Dad works for Boeing, and I've heard about some issues in regard to various issues about the company in several regards. In addition, they have a poor record with these things recently, between the F-22 Boondoggle and the F-35 Catastrophe.

Not to mention Northrup has been shafted for a while.

205 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:00:27pm
206 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:01:05pm

What is the name of this war game being discussed?

207 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:03:20pm

re: #206 Naso Tang

What is the name of this war game being discussed?

Global Thermonuclear War.

//

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:03:25pm

re: #206 Naso Tang

What is the name of this war game being discussed?

The Lutefisk option of doing a Libya on Syria.

209 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:04:20pm

@DamascusTweets
#Syria state TV says that the deaths in #Homs are due to "armed gangs" who received their orders from #Qatar & the #UK.

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:05:16pm

If I could, I'd give the fighters to Northrop- Grumman while telling Lockheed to get the skunk works going and have the X-33 in orbit within 4 years... :D

211 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:06:03pm

re: #210 wlewisiii

If I could, I'd give the fighters to Northrop- Grumman while telling Lockheed to get the skunk works going and have the X-33 in orbit within 4 years... :D

I can have a moon base within 8 years! Beat that!

//

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:06:46pm

re: #209 jaunte

@DamascusTweets
#Syria state TV says that the deaths in #Homs are due to "armed gangs" who received their orders from #Qatar & the #UK.

The Amish. They didn't think of the Amish.

213 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:06:50pm

re: #209 jaunte

Oh, fuck Syria State TV with a Barbed Wire Dildo.

Russia's gonna be in the hot seat tomorrow. If they protect Assad, Russia's going to be more disliked than us.

214 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:08:26pm

Putin.

215 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:08:59pm

Hundreds of people in Idlib pray in memory of those killed in #Homs tonight.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:09:56pm

re: #214 Gus 802

Putin on the Ritz.

217 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:10:18pm

Have a great weekend folks, I'm out to watch my favorite show Justified on my DVR. Be well all, and may our globes hardest hearts turn from war to kindness

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:11:16pm

re: #217 Rightwingconspirator

Be well all, and may our globes hardest hearts turn from war to kindness

Good luck with that.

219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:11:27pm

You could cut the testosterone in here tonight with a knife and sell it off in slices.

Just saying.

220 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:12:07pm

Should be a reminder to all the dipshits that love Russia Today programming. That station is a Kremlin operation with direct ties to Vladimir Putin. The same regime that is supporting and arming Assad as well as resisting any UN action against Assad. Ironically enough RT is a favorite of the ever clueless emoprogs and puritopian dolts.

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:12:08pm

re: #208 oaktree

The Lutefisk option of doing a Libya on Syria.

Yeah, it is easy to be smartassed here, isn't it? I'd not have been so glib about it in the days when I was stationed in Germany just this side of the Czech boarder. In 1982 I joined the army fresh from hight school because I expected Ronnie to start WWIII and I rather preferred the idea of dying in a tank (since my color vision is just bad enough to keep me out of helicopter flight school :( ) to dying of radiation poisoning from fallout.

Yes, that really was my decision making process. Yes. I really believed he would kill us all. Yes, I am grateful that I was wrong.

I'm even more grateful that Gorbachev understood how to play that SOB like a fucking fiddle.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:12:12pm

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good luck with that.

About the same time that Iran uses its centrifuges to make hummus.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:13:13pm

re: #219 EmmmieG

I was kinda thinking the same thing. And I'm a dude.

224 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:14:03pm

re: #219 EmmmieG

You could cut the testosterone in here tonight with a knife and sell it off in slices.

Just saying.

More and more women are fighting in combat so that not entirely true. That includes a lot of Navy and Air Force combat units. Margaret Thatcher as you know didn't have any testosterone that we knew of.

225 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:14:06pm

re: #213 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, fuck Syria State TV with a Barbed Wire Dildo.

Russia's gonna be in the hot seat tomorrow. If they protect Assad, Russia's going to be more disliked than us.

Just remember, it may be spelled P-U-T-I-N but it's pronounced S-T-A-L-I-N.

///

226 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:15:31pm

Maybe if we send Assad an Oprah gift basket. Then he'll change his mind.

//

227 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:16:26pm

Echoing Syrian State TV, or vice versa:

Putin Aide Says Foreign Hands Are Behind Protests

On the eve of a third major antigovernment demonstration, a trusted aide to Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said that Russian intelligence services “two or three years ago” reported that there were plans for the outbreak of street protests in Moscow, implying that a blueprint for political unrest was drawn up in Washington.

228 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:17:33pm

re: #227 jaunte

That line of action won't work forever.

229 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:18:29pm

re: #227 jaunte

Echoing Syrian State TV, or vice versa:

Putin Aide Says Foreign Hands Are Behind Protests

No way. Putin? Why, why... I was just thinking about him. Why fancy meeting him here now. And here I thought that the Putin angle was just some neocon conspiracy theory.

230 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:18:58pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

Looks like the weather is not cooperating:

Moscow has been plagued with punishing cold for weeks, and the forecast calls for temperatures to fall to as low as minus 10 on Saturday, the day of the protest.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

231 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:19:18pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

That line of action won't work forever.

It can be surprising long-lived.

232 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:20:37pm

re: #231 freetoken

That is certainly true.

Listening to this song:

233 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:21:54pm

re: #231 freetoken

It can be surprising long-lived.

Yep. There's no doubt that Assad can kill 10s of thousands and we'd stand around and wait. History repeats itself. And in some far off scenario we'd go in their like the cavalry and save the day! Within two years they'd be chanting "death to America" about something else.

234 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:21:58pm

re: #221 wlewisiii

Yeah, it is easy to be smartassed here, isn't it? I'd not have been so glib about it in the days when I was stationed in Germany just this side of the Czech boarder. In 1982 I joined the army fresh from hight school because I expected Ronnie to start WWIII and I rather preferred the idea of dying in a tank (since my color vision is just bad enough to keep me out of helicopter flight school :( ) to dying of radiation poisoning from fallout.

Yes, that really was my decision making process. Yes. I really believed he would kill us all. Yes, I am grateful that I was wrong.

I'm even more grateful that Gorbachev understood how to play that SOB like a fucking fiddle.

Flippant? Yes.

But that's partially due to the fact that it is serious. People are getting killed, and the discussion among countries to actively intervene in Syria is quite serious at this stage as well. And that will lead to more people, including military personnel getting put in harm's way as well.

And since the discussion comments way back mentioned using Norwegian and/or Swedish forces I made a lutefisk crack when someone asked for a summary. But arguably it was a somewhat accurate summary as well.

235 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:22:46pm

Avigdor Lieberman
Putin

236 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:23:22pm

Drink!

237 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:24:22pm

re: #234 oaktree

To my mind, it makes sense. Norway and Sweden are thought of well in the Arab and Muslim World. They also have a very good relationship with Turkey. And their Special Forces are very well trained.

238 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:24:34pm

On a related note:

EU SAYS GAS SUPPLIES DOWN DESPITE GAZPROM CLAIMS

The EU executive said Friday that Russian gas deliveries have fallen in nine countries, with Gazprom invoking flexibility clauses as it also braves a cold snap.

The European Commission was highlighting the drop a day after Russian state gas giant Gazprom said it had increased volumes exported to European Union neighbours amid a sudden drop in temperatures.

With more than 220 lives lost as these temperatures reached new lows, the European Commission said Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Romania and Slovakia had each registered drops in gas supplies.

A spokeswoman for EU energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger, Marlene Holzer said that "our member states have been informed by the Russian authorities that there is exceptional cold weather, and that Russia needs more gas (for its own use) than normal."

She added, however, that Gazprom contractual small print with European buyers "allows for a certain flexibility."

Austria, for instance, had logged a 30 percent fall and Italy had seen deliveries fall by 24 percent, though she noted that stocks were not at an "emergency" level in any of the nine.

Italy's gas network Snam Rete Gas later said imports from Russia through the Tarvisio hub were down 28.9 percent on Friday, a sharper fall than on Thursday.

[...]

Russia has Europe by the frozen testicles.

239 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:24:55pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Hang on...it took his comparing Mitt Romney to President Barack Obama for Gingrich to piss you off? I guess there are some insults just too offensive to forgive. Ho-lee shit.

240 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:26:05pm

re: #238 freetoken

Does Libya have Natural Gas?

241 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:27:06pm
242 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:27:48pm

re: #239 darthstar

Hang on...it took his comparing Mitt Romney to President Barack Obama for Gingrich to piss you off? I guess there are some insults just too offensive to forgive. Ho-lee shit.

No, I think it was Gingrich being a jerk about food stamps.

Let's go back to the starving children begging on the corners model. "The Little Match Girl" was nearly a non-fiction piece, people.

243 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:30:20pm

re: #242 EmmmieG

No, I think it was Gingrich being a jerk about food stamps.

Let's go back to the starving children begging on the corners model. "The Little Match Girl" was nearly a non-fiction piece, people.

Ah, the racist dog-whistle...but Romney said he doesn't give a rat's ass about poor people. Gingrich is barking up the wrong tree on this one.

244 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:30:48pm

re: #238 freetoken

Speaking of the European cold snap, I figured it would get dropped by a dead-thread denier on the last climate change article, so I tried a little preemptive strike.

245 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:31:03pm

re: #240 ProLifeLiberal

Does Libya have Natural Gas?

Yes. Natural gas resources are not uncommon anywhere there are carbon bearing sedimentary deposits from the Permian/Mesozoic up through the Paleogene. That's why there is currently a natural gas boom - the simple hydrocarbons are more plentiful than the longer (and higher energy density) hydrocarbons that make up petroleum.

Algeria, though, has been more of a market source than Libya, I believe.

246 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:31:26pm

re: #213 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, fuck Syria State TV with a Barbed Wire Dildo.

Russia's gonna be in the hot seat tomorrow. If they protect Assad, Russia's going to be more disliked than us.

Yeah, but Putin won't care.

247 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:32:12pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

I have to imagine this will come back to bite him if he acts unwise tomorrow.

248 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:33:56pm

re: #238 freetoken

On a related note:

EU SAYS GAS SUPPLIES DOWN DESPITE GAZPROM CLAIMS

Russia has Europe by the frozen testicles.

The news media hypes everything. People need to relax and chill.

249 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:35:11pm

Good night everyone. Have to get up early to drive the kids places tomorrow.

Why do multiple trips pile up on the same day, and then there will be nothing on the next Saturday?

250 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:35:14pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but Putin won't care.

Putin may be tough, but he's no honey badger.

251 jaunte  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:36:07pm

re: #248 Gus 802

They seem to be handling it.
Europe meets rising gas demand during cold spell

"At this time last year, storage was nowhere near as high and we had seen several weeks of sub-zero temperatures," one gas trader said.

Europe's gas storage sites were two-thirds full on average versus levels of less than 50 percent at this point last year, data from Gas Infrastructure Europe showed on Tuesday.

252 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:36:33pm

re: #242 EmmmieG

No, I think it was Gingrich being a jerk about food stamps.

Let's go back to the starving children begging on the corners model. "The Little Match Girl" was nearly a non-fiction piece, people.

Nearly? In England,(edit ah, Denmark, HC Anderson) where it was written, it was basically nonfiction.

I tweaked his nose earlier. But the reality is that if he wakes up to this, his heart is still alive. That's better than 99% of the Republican party to begin with. I still have lots of hope for our DF.

253 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:36:45pm

The trick in Syria is how to make the endgame more like Libya and less like Egypt. Anything will be difficult because the NeoSovs, China and Iran have Assad's back.

BTW, Russia could give a fuck what anyone thinks. It's money to them. Assad is a paying customer. But while they are on the UN Security Council they aren't in NATO.

And the other trick is how to get Turkey involved. Turkey turned down some offered gifts from the Bush administration, wanting nothing to do with the inevitable and messy Iraqi endgame. Perhaps the Arab League, NATO and Obama can work some magic. You'd need the Turkish military to stand down the Syrian army.

Difficulty level: 9.

254 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:37:50pm

re: #243 darthstar

Ah, the racist dog-whistle...but Romney said he doesn't give a rat's ass about poor people. Gingrich is barking up the wrong tree on this one.

That's not what Romney said, though. He did say "poor people have a safety net to help them out, and if it gets holes it it I'll work to fix them". Newt Gingrich attacked Mitt Romney solely for supporting the existence of functional societal safety net programs. Newt's policy seems to be: "All those who accept food stamps do so because they prefer food stamps to working for a living. Anyone who disagrees with my view is an Un-American Socialist!" His words were ugly, dishonest and delivered with malice aforethought (this applies to both his words for Romney and his words for Obama, to be clear).

255 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:37:59pm

re: #248 Gus 802

The news media hypes everything. People need to relax and chill.

re: #251 jaunte

There's always tomorrow, and next year, and the year after that...

Bottom line for most of Europe west of Russia - dependent upon imports of raw resources for even the most basic of items, like heating.

256 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:39:24pm

re: #250 darthstar

Putin may be tough, but he's no honey badger.

No, but he's got shotguns for if he ever needs to face down a honey badger.

/

257 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:40:40pm

Don't worry, the Europeans could always just cut down the remaining forests and burn them:

Greeks 'fell trees for warmth' amid economic chill

Rising oil prices and chilly economic times are prompting increasing numbers of Greeks to chop down trees for winter warmth, a group of forest engineers warned Tuesday.

Nikos Bokaris, a spokesman for the Panhellenic Union of Forest Engineers, said the debt-wracked nation's forest ecosystems were not yet under threat, but urged the government to act quickly to prevent broader damage.

"You have to remember what happened in Albania," Bokaris said, describing how that country's population felled trees en masse after the collapse of communism. "Even the trees lining the roads were chopped down."

Greek foresters filed 1,500 criminal complaints last year, twice as many as in 2010. About 70 percent of Greece's forests are public, with most of the rest belonging to various religious institutions.

Bokaris attributed the rise to a sharp drop in national funding for forest management, coupled with a near-doubling of oil prices in 2011.

[...]

May I repeat my previous doomerism: the remaining forests of this planet will not make it through the 21st century.

258 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:41:10pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

I believe Romney's exact words were "I don't give a flying fuck about poor people. Put them all together and you still can't create a SuperPAC...hell, you're lucky if you can make a college diploma." I might be misspeaking/misquoting Romney here, but I shouldn't be taken in context anyway.

259 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:41:17pm

re: #255 freetoken

re: #251 jaunte

There's always tomorrow, and next year, and the year after that...

Bottom line for most of Europe west of Russia - dependent upon imports of raw resources for even the most basic of items, like heating.

This is true. But Putin notwithstanding one of the best routes to peace is trade. And international trade. One must consider the idea of energy isolationism and its effects. There will be nations that are always dependent on other natural resources by the very nature of geography and geology. It doesn't have to be a bad thing.

260 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:42:14pm

re: #257 freetoken

Don't worry, the Europeans could always just cut down the remaining forests and burn them:

Greeks 'fell trees for warmth' amid economic chill

May I repeat my previous doomerism: the remaining forests of this planet will not make it through the 21st century.

No doubt that by the end of this year all of Greece will be deforested.

//

261 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:45:17pm

re: #258 darthstar

I believe Romney's exact words were "I don't give a flying fuck about poor people. Put them all together and you still can't create a SuperPAC...hell, you're lucky if you can make a college diploma." I might be misspeaking/misquoting Romney here, but I shouldn't be taken in context anyway.

Could you at least grant that Mitt Romney wasn't trying to be an ass, while Newt Gingrich was in fact actively working to bump up his Asshole Rating?

262 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:45:34pm

The Koch brothers and Soros will take over the universe.

//

263 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:46:58pm

re: #133 b_sharp

Nice card but I don't think a 2008 board will have a PCIe X16 slot.

FWIW my board has 2x PCIe x16. The board is /okay/. I have a GTX 550Ti coming. It will do.

I wish that nvidia would open-source their stupid Linux drivers so that they could be improved. Intel's Linux drivers are open source and just about flawless, but of course Intel doesn't offer any video hardware with the capabilities of nvidia or ATI stuff.

The most frustrating thing is that there is software that works wonderfully, and there is hardware that works wonderfully, and the only reason the two can't come together is because of greedy assholes and their lawyers.

264 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:47:05pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Could you at least grant that Mitt Romney wasn't trying to be an ass, while Newt Gingrich was in fact actively working to bump up his Asshole Rating?

No...Romney's not trying to be an ass in no way excuses the fact that he IS being an asshole. The guy is so out of touch with "regular folk" he shouldn't be allowed to destroy their lives by off-shoring jobs...let alone be president.

265 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:47:24pm

Hi Lizards!
I can't believe I couldn't make the SuperBowl this year...Everything was planned out then everything changed. I almost was able to throw Winston in the car this morning and be at Paulies house by lunch..I was going to be live blogging all week from Indy..There is no way I could be at work on Monday morning at 8am.. No mathematical freaking way the road trip works..Indy..
Wish I had more time off..It just didn't work..

266 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:47:39pm

re: #253 Olsonist

The trick in Syria is how to make the endgame more like Libya and less like Egypt. Anything will be difficult because the NeoSovs, China and Iran have Assads back.

BTW, Russia could give a fuck what anyone thinks. It's money to them. Assad is a paying customer. But while they are on the UN Security Council they aren't in NATO.

And the other trick is how to get Turkey involved. Turkey turned down some offered gifts from the Bush administration, wanting nothing to do with the inevitable and messy Iraqi endgame. Perhaps the Arab League, NATO and Obama can work some magic. You'd need the Turkish military to stand down the Syrian army.

Difficulty level: 9.

I think this endgame will be different than either. Assad is eventually toast. Syria is the supplier to the Hezbollah Shiia in Lebanon, but Iran can no longer supply arms directly because Iraq is in the way. (Hmmm).

The chaos is spreading, and I don't believe anyone knows how this will end. The Admin knows this, and the pressure on the Iranian mullahs is getting excruciating. The next six months, where they are caught between weapons development and no income, will squeeze them like grapes in a press.

We live in interesting times.

267 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:47:43pm

re: #262 Gus 802

The Koch brothers and Soros will take over the universe.

//

Only if we all surrender.

268 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:49:23pm

re: #267 wlewisiii

Only if we all surrender.

Yeah. If all I had to worry about was "the end of the world" I'd be a very happy man. I miss those days.

269 What, me worry?  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:50:10pm

re: #253 Olsonist

The trick in Syria is how to make the endgame more like Libya and less like Egypt. Anything will be difficult because the NeoSovs, China and Iran have Assad's back.

BTW, Russia could give a fuck what anyone thinks. It's money to them. Assad is a paying customer. But while they are on the UN Security Council they aren't in NATO.

And the other trick is how to get Turkey involved. Turkey turned down some offered gifts from the Bush administration, wanting nothing to do with the inevitable and messy Iraqi endgame. Perhaps the Arab League, NATO and Obama can work some magic. You'd need the Turkish military to stand down the Syrian army.

Difficulty level: 9.

You are wise, grasshopper. At least it sounds good!

Obama has been pretty good at about 90% of foreign policy decisions. I'm interested in seeing that magic.

270 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:51:28pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

No, but he's got shotguns for if he ever needs to face down a honey badger.

/

TOZ-123 4-gauge, serious business. Unfortunately it's illegal to import them the US.

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:51:49pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
I can't believe I couldn't make the SuperBowl this year...Everything was planned out then everything changed. I almost was able to throw Winston in the car this morning and be at Paulies house by lunch..I was going to be live blogging all week from Indy..There is no way I could be at work on Monday morning at 8am.. No mathematical freaking way the road trip works..Indy..
Wish I had more time off..It just didn't work..

How big a quake do we need on the New Madrid Fault to move Norman close enough to Indy for you to pull it off? We'll contact Cheney and get right on it.
//

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:52:21pm

re: #263 negativ

FWIW my board has 2x PCIe x16. The board is /okay/. I have a GTX 550Ti coming. It will do.

I wish that nvidia would open-source their stupid Linux drivers so that they could be improved. Intel's Linux drivers are open source and just about flawless, but of course Intel doesn't offer any video hardware with the capabilities of nvidia or ATI stuff.

The most frustrating thing is that there is software that works wonderfully, and there is hardware that works wonderfully, and the only reason the two can't come together is because of greedy assholes and their lawyers.

I know, understand and appreciate the open source argument. Certain bits I always use (EMACS!!!!). That said, these days I buy Macintosh because I don't have to worry about these issues. I can build any Unix open source app on my system. But in the end I have all mac apps. Including one some one spent a hell of lot of time porting to Aqua - Emacs...

273 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:52:30pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Is that a cough I hear? You don't look well. Maybe a sick day is in the cards.

274 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:53:14pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
I can't believe I couldn't make the SuperBowl this year...Everything was planned out then everything changed. I almost was able to throw Winston in the car this morning and be at Paulies house by lunch..I was going to be live blogging all week from Indy..There is no way I could be at work on Monday morning at 8am.. No mathematical freaking way the road trip works..Indy..
Wish I had more time off..It just didn't work..

:( I haz a sad for HH.

275 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:54:58pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
I can't believe I couldn't make the SuperBowl this year...Everything was planned out then everything changed. I almost was able to throw Winston in the car this morning and be at Paulies house by lunch..I was going to be live blogging all week from Indy..There is no way I could be at work on Monday morning at 8am.. No mathematical freaking way the road trip works..Indy..
Wish I had more time off..It just didn't work..

What would have happened if you'd just said "The game is too important, I'm not going to be there as scheduled."? Would that have been a write-up or termination? Because if it was a write-up, I might say just take the write-up and go.

276 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:56:34pm

re: #270 goddamnedfrank

TOZ-123 4-gauge, serious business. Unfortunately it's illegal to import them the US.

That's because their bore is so large the ATF considers them to be a Destructive Device and not a shotgun.

277 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:57:37pm

re: #273 darthstar

Is that a cough I hear? You don't look well. Maybe a sick day is in the cards.

I so wish! But my Dad passed away 2 weeks ago and I've burned up company time off..I have to be at work Monday morning...I don't care..
I'm going to do a page on my dad soon.. He was a great man.. And I need to post something about him that you can Google forever..

278 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:00:16pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

That's because their bore is so large the ATF considers them to be a Destructive Device and not a shotgun.

They did just recently allow an 8 gauge so perhaps... ?

(as my shoulder says OW!)

279 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:00:46pm

re: #277 HoosierHoops

I so wish! But my Dad passed away 2 weeks ago and I've burned up company time off..I have to be at work Monday morning...I don't care..
I'm going to do a page on my dad soon.. He was a great man.. And I need to post something about him that you can Google forever..

OK, that is a different story. From what I'm hearing you made the plans to attend the game, but then the day off you intended to use got burned taking care of your dad's funeral. Still, you might check Expedia or Travelocity to see if there are any flights that still have open seats. Unlikely, but you never know...

280 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:02:09pm

re: #266 austin_blue

I think this endgame will be different than either. Assad is eventually toast. Syria is the supplier to the Hezbollah Shiia in Lebanon, but Iran can no longer supply arms directly because Iraq is in the way. (Hmmm).

Yes, Assad is toast. I don't get these stupid dumb ass dictators. At some point the West offers them the Baby Doc South of France for life payoff. Take it! I've been to the South of France. It's nice. Food's good. Girls are pretty. It's like way better than dying in a ditch after starving for days on end.

I don't think Iraq presents a supply route problem for Iran now. Maybe a couple of years ago but it's a sieve, especially for the Shiites.

WIth the exception of Egypt, Obama is doing very well in the foreign policy department.

Obama has to get NATO and Turkey lined up. After than Assad is toast, and a united Obama/NATO/Turkey are big enough to tell the NeoSovs/China to buzz off. Iran will fold.

281 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:02:30pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
I can't believe I couldn't make the SuperBowl this year...Everything was planned out then everything changed. I almost was able to throw Winston in the car this morning and be at Paulies house by lunch..I was going to be live blogging all week from Indy..There is no way I could be at work on Monday morning at 8am.. No mathematical freaking way the road trip works..Indy..
Wish I had more time off..It just didn't work..

Shit happens, My Dear!
Get over it!
(It's just a game...)
LOL!

282 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:02:46pm

God I can't stand George Clooney.

283 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:04:34pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

That's because their bore is so large the ATF considers them to be a Destructive Device and not a shotgun.

Not true, it's smoothbore sporting shotgun for which commercial ammunition is available, just like the 12 gauge which is also greater than 1/2 inch. This is a standard exception to the DD classification. The reason the TOZ-123 isn't available anymore is because arms manufactured in the Russian Federation and other former former Soviet countries were severely restricted in 1996.

284 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:04:57pm

re: #282 Gus 802

God I can't stand George Clooney.

Mm'kay. I'll bite. I usually find him easier to deal with than most Hollywierd freaks. What did he do that PO'd you?

285 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:05:18pm

re: #284 wlewisiii

Mm'kay. I'll bite. I usually find him easier to deal with than most Hollywierd freaks. What did he do that PO'd you?

Bluegrass.

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:06:31pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Bluegrass.

Performing or promoting? The former & I'll agree with you based on a certain movie...

287 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:07:15pm

re: #286 wlewisiii

Performing or promoting? The former & I'll agree with you based on a certain movie...

He's a millionaire actor that imitate people like me.

288 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:08:58pm

Consumerism.

289 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:09:09pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

OK, that is a different story. From what I'm hearing you made the plans to attend the game, but then the day off you intended to use got burned taking care of your dad's funeral. Still, you might check Expedia or Travelocity to see if there are any flights that still have open seats. Unlikely, but you never know...

It happened so suddenly...Yea..I burned up 2 weeks off and the whole I'm hanging out in Indy went out the window..It's OK..But this has been a shock.
Monday morning 8am

290 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:09:10pm

Idols.

291 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:10:55pm

re: #277 HoosierHoops

I so wish! But my Dad passed away 2 weeks ago and I've burned up company time off..I have to be at work Monday morning...I don't care..
I'm going to do a page on my dad soon.. He was a great man.. And I need to post something about him that you can Google forever..

Sorry to hear about your dad. Don't worry about the superbowl...the Colts aren't playing even though it's on their field.

292 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:10:58pm

So when does the yoga class begin?

293 darthstar  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:12:08pm

Okay...bed time. See you all later.

294 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:14:50pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

DF, you missed out on something special earlier. I did a page, and the thread before this one has a nice, long running discussion.

295 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:16:04pm

re: #292 Gus 802

So when do the yoga class begin?

For our warm-up exercises:

296 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:17:16pm

re: #294 ProLifeLiberal

DF, you missed out on something special earlier. I did a page, and the thread before this one has a nice, long running discussion.

Could you post a link, please?

297 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:17:21pm

re: #295 freetoken

For our warm-up exercises:

[Video]

That would be great in between my next Jaguar hybrid purchase and worrying about Syria. Care for some more champagne?

298 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:18:50pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

A good chunk of it was in the last thread. Here is the link to the whole situation.

299 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:19:31pm
300 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:19:44pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Bluegrass.

So you have a burning hatred for Steve Martin?

301 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:20:20pm

re: #289 HoosierHoops

It happened so suddenly...Yea..I burned up 2 weeks off and the whole I'm hanging out in Indy went out the window..It's OK..But this has been a shock.
Monday morning 8am

It's hard to imagine right now, but a few weeks of that normal routine will help. It takes the edge off the pain and, in my case, allowed me to relax in ways I couldn't otherwise.

Find little rituals you can do - I light a candle every time I go to church because that was something my mother deeply believed in - that will help as well as it gives you a focus point for the pain that keeps it out of your heart.

On Sunday, go to that club you've talked of (Moose? Elk? Something like that) and be there with friends. They will get you past that day and throughout the regular days which will, really, be much harder.

I still have my father, but it doesn't make the ache for my mother go away. Accept that ache as a given and it will help tremendously. It will always be there to a greater or lesser extent.

All we are doing; all we can do; is survive. That is at once harder and simpler than we ever expect before we find ourselves in that spot.

302 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:21:00pm

So the religious right gets their noses tweaked, while Orly Taitz gets handed yet another defeat. All in all, I'd say it was good for a Friday.

303 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:21:59pm

re: #300 negativ

So you have a burning hatred for Steve Martin?

Nah. He's actually a real musician. I'm not your average American. I don't worship at the alter of famous actors. Especially crappy ones like George Clooney.

304 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:22:39pm

Suburbia.

305 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:23:59pm

re: #301 wlewisiii

Thank you.. I appreciate you taking the time to write that..

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:24:36pm

re: #303 Gus 802

Nah. He's actually a real musician. I'm not your average American. I don't worship at the alter of famous actors. Especially crappy ones like George Clooney.

What particular Clooney musical performance are you referring to?

307 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:30:30pm

Time to crash.

Take care all.

308 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:37:26pm

re: #306 oaktree

What particular Clooney musical performance are you referring to?

No answer. I'm just watching the sky cranes.

Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen

309 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:39:02pm

Where'd DF go?

310 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:44:08pm

I'm still amazed that people who claim to not believe in intelligent design with regards to evolution still believe in the intelligent design of consciousness.

311 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:44:50pm

It's sort of like selective science.

312 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:51:08pm

re: #308 Gus 802

No answer. I'm just watching the sky cranes.

Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen

[Video]

If you are the type of person who voluntarily watches documentary films, you might enjoy watching The Filth and the Fury, even if you aren't even slightly a Sex Pistols fan.

313 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:51:52pm

There is no life after death.

314 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:53:22pm

Worthy of a Monty Python skit:

Anonymous hacks into phone call between FBI and Scotland Yard

Hackers from the group Anonymous have broadcast a private conference call between the FBI and Scotland Yard exposing details of an international cybercrime investigation, the FBI has confirmed.

The FBI and Scotland Yard admitted that the security of the call had been breached.

[...]

315 freetoken  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:54:56pm

And remember, the internet is only as survivable as long as the PTB want it to be:

China cut off internet in area of Tibetan unrest

Chinese officials cut off mobile phone and internet connections to areas where Tibetans were shot dead amid unrest last month, state media has reported.

[...]

316 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:55:14pm

re: #310 Gus 802

I'm still amazed that people who claim to not believe in intelligent design with regards to evolution still believe in the intelligent design of consciousness.

I once considered intelligent design, then looked around at my fellow man and decided that they have a very loose definition of "intelligent."

317 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:58:05pm

re: #316 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I once considered intelligent design, then looked around at my fellow man and decided that they have a very loose definition of "intelligent."

I'm really not surprised than that people get suckered into scams like Komen after all.

318 Gus  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:58:57pm

People are gullible. And they'll buy anything. Including a lot of pink shit.

319 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:59:05pm

re: #314 freetoken

Worthy of a Monty Python skit:

Anonymous hacks into phone call between FBI and Scotland Yard

Ah, I'd like to have an argu..
RIGHT! STOP THAT! Silly!

320 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 10:59:46pm

re: #318 Gus 802

People are gullible. And they'll buy anything. Including a lot of pink shit.

Tell them it's for a good cause and they'll buy anything.

321 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:02:18pm

Christ Almighty, but that was painful. Decided to take a look over at FR, to see how the Freepers are handling Orly losing another case. And...uhm...let's say they're not taking it well.

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:06:03pm

re: #321 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Christ Almighty, but that was painful. Decided to take a look over at FR, to see how the Freepers are handling Orly losing another case. And...uhm...let's say they're not taking it well.

So much invested into the memes and thought paths that they're in "Thank you sir, may I have another" mode.

323 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:07:08pm

re: #320 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Tell them it's for a good cause and they'll buy anything.

Image: v7IBP.jpg

324 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:09:09pm

re: #322 oaktree

So much invested into the memes and thought paths that they're in "Thank you sir, may I have another" mode.

These people are truly cracked. Same with World Nut Daily. I'm really beginning to worry how they're going to respond to a second Obama term.

325 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:16:19pm

re: #313 Gus 802

There is no life after death.

That is certainly a faith based comment.

326 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:24:17pm

re: #324 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

These people are truly cracked. Same with World Nut Daily. I'm really beginning to worry how they're going to respond to a second Obama term.

Guns. What else is left? The stupid is SO strong, at this point, what other option is there for them? It really is terrifying at a fundamental level. The hard right has been whipped into such a frenzy at this point that they is no other recourse but armed insurrection.

Okay, hyperbole.

And yet...

327 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:38:16pm

re: #326 austin_blue

Guns. What else is left? The stupid is SO strong, at this point, what other option is there for them? It really is terrifying at a fundamental level. The hard right has been whipped into such a frenzy at this point that they is no other recourse but armed insurrection.

Okay, hyperbole.

And yet...

I'm not yet sold on their armed insurrection wet dreams. But I remember OKC and remember what one determined nutter can do if he puts his mind to something.

328 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:45:08pm

re: #321 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Christ Almighty, but that was painful. Decided to take a look over at FR, to see how the Freepers are handling Orly losing another case. And...uhm...let's say they're not taking it well.

They are not Mitt fans, correct?

I cannot believe he stood up with birther Trump. Prob betting that the majority of America knows only his lame show,
Not his asshole politics.

329 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:56:51pm

We are just getting hammered tonight by thunderstorms. Unfortunately, it is east of the highland lakes and the upper Colorado River basin. Plenty of soil moisture and flash flooding locally, but nothing added to our reservoirs.

We are so fucked.

330 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:03:17am

OK Mr. Johnson, since this post references an apple product, can you give me a solution to why my iPad & iPhone dislike your site so damn much? Too much windows code? It is such a Pita. If I want to contribute I have
To drag out the PC Laptop.

Bla!!!

331 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:09:12am

re: #313 Gus 802

332 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:27:49am

re: #331 WindUpBird

Hey! How's it? My focus died. Had to get transport fast. Got a 2009 Kia optima, 21k. 1st car pymt in 6 yrs. Very painful. Know that car?

333 freetoken  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:37:54am

re: #329 austin_blue

We are so fucked.

Last year's "atmospheric river" that brought record precip to parts of the Colorado river basin out here saved our butts... for about 3 years, from my quick look at the Lake Mead water level chart. Mead was down almost to the point where water outflow would have had to be cut off... but with the record precip the level boomed up to just above "drought" stage.

However, this year precip is back to normal (actually, a bit less than normal) and given that the annual consumption from Lake Mead outstrips inflow under "normal" conditions, the level is now back on its path downwards... in a few years it will be back in crisis level.

334 Kragar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:40:26am

A question:

Who the fuck decided that so many female artists needed to have some no talent rap artists cut in during the middle of their song and shit all over an otherwise good song?

335 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:45:59am

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A question:

Who the fuck decided that so many female artists needed to have some no talent rap artists cut in during the middle of their song and shit all over an otherwise good song?

I hope you are not talking about Katy Perry and Snoop Dog. Please.

I just saw that awful video/song for the first time. 1st and last I pray. And it wasn't Snoops fault.

336 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:48:40am

OK people. I'm going to crash, and sleep in. So looking forward to it.

See ya.

337 Kragar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:55:18am

re: #335 Stanley Sea

I hope you are not talking about Katy Perry and Snoop Dog. Please.

I just saw that awful video/song for the first time. 1st and last I pray. And it wasn't Snoops fault.

No particular artist, just in general. Seems like any female artist who comes on the radio ends up with some guy babbling for at least one verse of the song.

338 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:57:32am

YAY.

[Link: www.zdnet.co.uk...]

The chances of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement becoming law in Europe dwindled suddenly on Friday, after Polish prime minister Donald Tusk said he was suspending ACTA's ratification in his country.

339 researchok  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:25:07am

Morning, all

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:03:47am

BTW, yesterday Putin endorsed today's "anti-Orangist" demo at Poklonnaya gora. I'm listening to the direct translation from that demo, and I could describe it as a neo-fascist. Not in the racist/nationalist sense, but in the "Italian" jingoist/statist/pro-regime/anti-liberal sense. I also take into account the presence among the speakers of the "red-brown" icons, such as Prokhanov and Dugin (among others).

Short above: Putin is scum. Not that anybody here didn't know it ;)

341 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:41:14am

I just figured out the ten-minute solution to a problem I encountered yesterday.

Too bad I already spent six hours fixing it.

Oy.

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:44:02am

re: #341 Obdicut

Still trying to beat that code?

343 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:51:00am

re: #342 Sergey Romanov

Still trying to beat that code?

I don't actually work directly with code, it's more an amalgam of a GUI and pseudo code. So, for most things I can work on, I can open and work on them in a visual editor that interprets an underlying XML sheet, or I can open the file as text directly to edit it.

There are a couple of weird idiosyncratic bits, one of them being a database that holds position data for all the pages in the project. If that gets screwed up, then the pages won't play the right audio/respond in the right way. I had thought I had screwed up that database by deleting and adding pages-- something which it doesn't handle that elegantly, and doesn't give proper error reports on when it is failing. So I spent hours and hours yesterday changing by hand the 9 digit X/Y coordinate data on that database to match existing assets.

Then I remembered I can just replace the database with the backup I produced at the beginning of the product.

Oy.

344 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:54:52am

re: #343 Obdicut

oy is an understatement ;)

345 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:33:35am

'Morning, all. Got a half-hour or so before starting off to our Habitat site in the boonies. My crew of kids is going to put the vinyl siding on the house today, if the rain gives us a break.

346 researchok  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:43:30am

Good deeds over creed, every time.

347 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:52:13am

re: #346 researchok

Good deeds over creed, every time.

Don't have a creed. I think Habitat, as a Christian ministry, is in cosmological error--but our houses stand.

348 researchok  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:54:15am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Don't have a creed. I think Habitat, as a Christian ministry, is in cosmological error--but our houses stand.

Putting a roof over the heads of people in need stands on it's own

349 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:56:06am

re: #348 researchok

Putting a roof over the heads of people in need stands on it's own

But it will stand naked in the rain if I don't get out of here--BBL.

350 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:25:54am

Like most rational people I was delighted to hear about the Georgia court's smackdown of the birther kooks, less so to hear that this madness not only still exists but is apparently continuing to spread.
My friend the security guard has made a job change that may provide some insight into this phenomenon. He left the big box store and went to work at a contract call center. This particular one handles marketing calls for a satellite TV service. He reports that it is a nest of birthers, truthers, and free-lance black helicopter bleevers; so much so in fact that any contrary (ie rational) view is considered weird and out of step. The agents spend the whole day pimping the service to callers who are often complete assholes. The agents are glib, hyper-active, loud, verbally aggressive, and none too bright on the average. The guard is a smoker. He reports that the agents will start bumming cigarettes midway through the pay period, even though their average pay is around $20 an hour. Last week, he gave away 14 smokes in one shift, about 4 bucks worth, and finally had to say no more. The agents think he is mean but he cannot subsidize the habit for people who make more than he does. Why are they out of money? In many cases there might just be a link with both their hyper-active verbosity and their fondness for conspiracy theories. He and his colleagues routinely find crack and powder cocaine residue in the rest rooms. They have also found baggies of marijuana in the toilet stalls and the hallways, apparently dropped by their owners as they rushed back to work. The agents leave for lunch and come back bleery-eyed and chattering a hundred miles an hour.

351 researchok  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:27:54am

re: #350 Shiplord Kirel

Here's another 'underside' or 'in the belly of' book in the making

352 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 5:02:19am

LOOOL?

[Link: docs.google.com...]

However, neither Defendant nor his counsel, Michael Jablonski, appeared or answered. Ordinarily, the Court would enter a default order against a party that fails to participate in any stage of a proceeding. Ga. Comp. R. & Regs. 616-1-2-.30(1) and (5). Nonetheless, despite the Defendant's failure to appear, Plaintiffs asked this Court to decide the case on the merits of their arguments and evidence. The Court granted Plaintiffs' request.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

353 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 5:14:14am

Indiana news:

State won't release toxicology lab results
Only prosecutors told what retesting of samples revealed
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

State toxicology officials know. Prosecutors know. But, apparently, the public may never be told the depths of drug testing problems at the troubled State Department of Toxicology.

The Indianapolis Star previously obtained from the Indiana University School of Medicine three separate reports from an independent lab that suggested sloppy work and unacceptable levels of testing errors at the state lab, which police and prosecutors use to evaluate evidence for criminal cases.
.....
The denial also appears to fly in the face of a recommendation that the state's new three-member toxicology advisory panel -- a group appointed by Gov. Mitch Daniels -- made to the governor in July.

"The results of the retesting . . . should be conveyed to the prosecutors, defense and public in understandable language," the panel wrote in its report to the governor. "In other words, the explanations made should explain the significance of the findings and what they mean in lay language."

Indianapolis defense attorney John Tompkins said he has a pretty good idea what the secrecy means -- in lay language.

"If the results were good," he said, "they would be telling us."

354 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 5:15:03am

re: #352 Sergey Romanov

Well, a default judgement isn't worth much-- any appeal will vacate it. That's why the default judgement entered against the New Black Panther member that was dropped by the DOJ wasn't a big deal, even though the wingnuts frothed over it; they knew that the judgement would not stand an appeal.

Asking for the case to be decided on their merits was inevitable.

The lawyer representing Obama still fucked this up, though, by showing disrespect to the judge by not even bothering to file properly.

355 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 5:58:00am

re: #350 Shiplord Kirel

20/hr? Great job. They should have no complaints. Or bumming behavior. Wtf?

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:00:04am

From Orly's summary of law and facts:

f. The majority opinion in Kim Ark was drafted by the associate justice Horace Gray, appointee of President Chester Arthur. It was rumored, that Gray's commission and subsequent decision in Kim Ark was done to sanitize Arthur's own lack of eligibility. William Arthur, Chester Arthur's father was an Irish citizen and there is no clear evidence, that he became a U.S. citizen prior to Chester Arthur's birth. Reportedly Chester Arthur burned his identification papers and his eligibility is covered in mystery. Chester Arthur is the only other U.S. President, whose eligibility is questioned. Just because Arthur burned his documents, does not give Obama green light to disrespect the court and the nation and show a contempt to the judiciary and refuse to produce any verifiable documents, any evidence of his natural born status.

357 Petero1818  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:29:49am

Totally OT:

My nephew (a poli sci major at U of M) posted this video of Ron Paul vs Morton Downey on his TV show from 1988. At the height of the war on drugs, Libertarian candidate Ron Paul gives us a glimpse of whats to come (albeit with more vigor), and bets his butt handed to him by a guardian angel. funny stuff.

358 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:31:56am
359 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:40:30am

Morning all!

In case anyone was wondering . . .there is now proof. Kitteh ninjas start their training in childhood. Beware!

How is everyone this morning?

360 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:53:59am

slow morning?

361 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 6:58:53am

Arizona GOP Lawmaker Wants A State Holiday To Celebrate White People

“Good idea,” said one woman. “Like they have Cinco de Mayo for Mexicans. We need something for whites.”

362 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:00:14am
363 Flounder  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:00:35am

Chicken Wing cupcakes
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
mmmmmmmmgood!

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:06:32am

Veridian Dynamics... We keep our employees gruntled.

(Better Off Ted's on Netflix)

365 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:06:58am

re: #362 ggt

F*&^ these people.

Well, let's see.

The Irish have St. Patrick's Day.

English have...I guess Guy Fawkes Day. Never made it over here.

French have Bastille Day.

Spanish have...the running of the bulls one, maybe? (Please don't say Cinco de Mayo. That's Mexican.)

Germans have Oktoberfest.

If you are American descended from early English settlers, you have Thanksgiving. Yeah, remember that one?

Not sure about the Vikings (St. Lucia girls are pretty, but that's Christmas), or the folks from Estonia and Latvia and stuff.

366 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:07:35am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Veridian Dynamics... We keep our employees gruntled.

I loved that show. It's so underrated.

367 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:17:44am

...and now for the really important news:

Pippa Middleton Dating Britain’s Most Eligible Bachelor, George Percy
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Britain’s most eligible bachelorette and bachelor are reportedly dating now. Will the Middletons pull off the rare ‘double duchess’ feat that Pippa is dating George Percy?

I wonder if a 'double duchess' is anything like an 'Old King Clancy'

368 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:19:18am

re: #367 RogueOne

Who the hell is Pippa Middleton?

369 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:20:29am

re: #367 RogueOne

Now I have this song in my head. Thanks a lot.

370 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:23:35am

re: #368 Obdicut

Who the hell is Pippa Middleton?

Inspiration of the year: 2011

Pippa Middleton's Butt Inspires Woman To Get Plastic Surgery
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

371 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:23:42am

re: #368 Obdicut

Who the hell is Pippa Middleton?

Sister of Prince Harry's wife IIRC. Considered the prettier of the two by some. YMMV.

372 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:24:37am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hey ,,, I'm composing an e-mail to you

I need your (free) professional advice

373 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:25:19am

re: #371 wlewisiii

Oh, royalty. Professional useless fuckers.

374 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:25:32am

re: #372 sattv4u2

I've waited to see you all week to talk smack about the Pats

375 darthstar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:27:01am

Yay! The Milky Way has an evil twin!

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

376 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:28:48am

Good morning PATRIOTS NATION ... Looks like drama queen Peyton is trying to steal Eli's thunder in 'NapTown ...

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

377 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:29:07am

re: #365 EmmmieG

Well, let's see.

The Irish have St. Patrick's Day.

English have...I guess Guy Fawkes Day. Never made it over here.

French have Bastille Day.

Spanish have...the running of the bulls one, maybe? (Please don't say Cinco de Mayo. That's Mexican.)

Germans have Oktoberfest.

If you are American descended from early English settlers, you have Thanksgiving. Yeah, remember that one?

Not sure about the Vikings (St. Lucia girls are pretty, but that's Christmas), or the folks from Estonia and Latvia and stuff.

The thing is, to me anyway, "white" isn't a race or an identity the way "black" is. White people didn't have their cultures decimated by slavery. I know, at least on my mom's side, exactly where my ancestor's emigrated from. I know to some extent where my father's family came from. Any knowledge that is lost is purely because the family didn't keep up on it.

378 Flounder  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:30:12am

re: #370 RogueOne

I would like to be hung like John Holmes, but I'm not going to run out and have an addadictomy.

379 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:30:57am

re: #374 RogueOne

I've waited to see you all week to talk smack about the Pats

I'm worried

R. Kraft (their owner) was on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week

I pray the famous S.I. Jinx doesn't kick in!

380 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:31:48am
381 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:34:19am

re: #379 sattv4u2

I'm worried

R. Kraft (their owner) was on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week

I pray the famous S.I. Jinx doesn't kick in!

The Giants are getting a lot of love around town:

At Indianapolis strip club, the dancers have Big Blue fever
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

382 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:34:25am

re: #371 wlewisiii

Sister of Prince Harry's wife IIRC. Considered the prettier of the two by some. YMMV.

Prince William's wife, actually.

383 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:35:49am

re: #381 RogueOne

The Giants are getting a lot of love around town:

At Indianapolis strip club, the dancers have Big Blue fever
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Good ,,,I'll pay for a couple of lap dances for the Giants D line if it takes their minds off the game!!

384 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:37:00am

re: #378 Shropshire_Slasher

I would like to be hung like John Holmes, but I'm not going to run out and have an addadictomy.

I couldn't imagine being that small!!
/

385 RogueOne  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:37:48am

re: #383 sattv4u2

I have to run. I'll start the trash talk tomorrow.

386 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:42:49am

re: #373 Obdicut

Oh, royalty. Professional useless fuckers.

Eh, he earns a real living flying an emergency rescue helicopter. But otherwise, yeah.

387 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:43:28am

re: #385 RogueOne

I have to run. I'll start the trash talk tomorrow.

I'll be here (at work)((again))

all day ,,, ALL FRAKKIN DAY !!!!

{sigh}

388 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:44:12am

re: #382 Lidane

Prince William's wife, actually.

Good thing I put that IIRC in there then ;)

Hard for me to keep them straight.

389 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:46:24am

re: #388 wlewisiii

Good thing I put that IIRC in there then ;)

Hard for me to keep them straight.

They're gay??

NTTAWWT!

//

390 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:51:51am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Veridian Dynamics... We keep our employees gruntled.

(Better Off Ted's on Netflix)

There's lots of money to be made providing regruntlement services. Often you can partner up with a retox & dehab clinic and split the rent on the office space.

391 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:57:37am

re: #390 negativ

There's lots of money to be made providing regruntlement services. Often you can partner up with a retox & dehab clinic and split the rent on the office space.

Why would anyone want to be regruntled?

393 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:58:55am

re: #358 RogueOne

Smartest Business Plan Ever
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-819-1328222017-16.jpg

I can just hear this guy's mind as he was doing that

"what {snort} could possibly {snort snort} go wrong {snort}"

394 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 7:59:34am

re: #392 Lidane

Heh.

ongressman Hurt To Discover Lobbyist Not Really His Friend

Maybe it sounds na•ve, but when a guy does something really nice, like fly you out to Pebble Beach for 18 holes, you just assume he's your friend."

Yeah, I'd call that naive.

395 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 8:32:15am

Either somethings wrong with my connection or all of you are writing in invisible ink!!

/

396 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 8:32:45am

re: #395 sattv4u2

Either somethings wrong with my connection or all of you are writing in invisible ink!!

/

397 darthstar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 8:32:53am

Hey...guess who has a registered agent of the United Arab Emirates raising money for him?

A ThinkProgress review of public records reveals Sanchez is also a registered foreign agent representing the interests of the United Arab Emirates and a former president of the Dominican Republic.

So there is work for former presidents after all.

398 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 8:33:17am

re: #396 Varek Raith

LOL

399 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 8:38:18am

Have a great day all!

400 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:03:04am

Oh, fuck Russia and China.

They just vetoed the Syria Resolution in the Security Council.

401 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:03:42am

re: #400 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, fuck Russia and China.

They just vetoed the Syria Resolution in the Security Council.

Russian government and Chinese government.

402 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:05:20am

re: #401 Sergey Romanov

More or less what I meant.

They just passed the US in terms of how hated they are in the Arab World.

403 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:08:15am

re: #402 ProLifeLiberal

Yes. Not "Russia" and not "China". Whole countries are not reducible to their governments.

404 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:09:30am

I never said "fuck the US" during the Iraq war. Only "fuck Bush".

405 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:09:37am

re: #403 Sergey Romanov

That's true.

The governments are making me angry.

But the Russian and Chinese Governments are now going to be seen just as poorly as the American one in the Arab Region.

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:15:17am

From today's pro-Putin rally:

[Link: www.ridus.ru...]

"My President is Ron Paul"

*facepalm*

407 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:16:14am

France is giving the Russian and Chinese guys at the UN both barrels.

Morocco did the same earlier.

408 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:17:23am

Now the German and US Ambassadors are slamming the Russian and Chinese Governments.

409 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:19:42am

Medvedev showed a bit of liberalism and apparently went against Putin during the Lybian situation.

Now that Medvedev is fully castrated and is basically not of any influence, Putin's hard line is showing.

410 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:20:47am

re: #407 ProLifeLiberal

France is giving the Russian and Chinese guys at the UN both barrels.

Morocco did the same earlier.

re: #408 ProLifeLiberal

Now the German and US Ambassadors are slamming the Russian and Chinese Governments.

And after that, they'll all go out to Tavern on The Green for a wonderful brunch

411 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:21:40am

re: #409 Sergey Romanov

Putin was massively short-sighted today. He made a mistake in the long-term, and will regret this.

412 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:28:41am

re: #400 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, fuck Russia and China.

They just vetoed the Syria Resolution in the Security Council.

Not to jump into the discussion late or anything, but it's not like this was unexpected.

413 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:28:56am

Meanwhile:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Libya's former ambassador to France has died less than 24 hours after being arrested by Tripoli-based militia, a US-based human rights group has said.

[...]

Mr Brebesh was detained on 19 January after being called in for questioning by al-Shuhada Ashura militia in Tripoli, Human Rights Watch quote his son, Ziad, as saying.

A day later, his family heard his body had turned up at a hospital in Zintan, about 100km (60 miles) southwest of the capital, the rights group said.

"Photos of Brebesh's body, seen by Human Rights Watch, show welts, cuts and the apparent removal of toenails, indicating that he was tortured prior to death," the group said in a statement.

Shiny new democracy.

414 Kragar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:32:20am
415 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:33:44am

re: #413 Sergey Romanov

Independent Militia that is still not under complete control of the government. This may act as a kick in the butt to continue with the rehabilitation of these fighters.

416 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:39:35am

re: #413 Sergey Romanov

"Photos of Brebesh's body, seen by Human Rights Watch, show welts, cuts and the apparent removal of toenails,

Obviously self inflicted!
/
{spit}

417 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 9:55:50am

re: #32 negativ

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

"Corollary: any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice."

Arthur C. Clarke smiles.

418 Kragar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:00:09am

re: #417 BeenHereAwhile

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

"Corollary: any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice."

Arthur C. Clarke smiles.

The great question

"Are they ignorant because they are evil or are they evil because they are ignorant?"

419 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:00:53am

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The great question

"Are they ignorant because they are evil or are they evil because they are ignorant?"

I'm evil because it's fun.

420 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:02:03am

re: #419 Varek Raith

I'm evil because it's fun.

You only pretend to be evil. I know you like puppies.

421 Kragar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:02:12am

re: #419 Varek Raith

I'm evil because it's fun.

How the hell am I supposed to gain Dark Side rank otherwise?

422 Kragar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:04:19am

re: #420 Sergey Romanov

You only pretend to be evil. I know you like puppies.

They're great on the grill.

423 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:05:12am

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're great on the grill.

I didn't say dancing puppies.
//

424 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:05:14am

re: #420 Sergey Romanov

You only pretend to be evil. I know you like puppies.

Only if you marinate them overnight before grilling them!
./

425 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:05:22am

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

gggrrrrrr

426 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:05:52am

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #424 sattv4u2

You guys are not evil. Just hungry. Go get a hot dog or sumthn.

427 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:05:55am

re: #425 sattv4u2

gggrrr

Your powers are weak old man.

428 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:06:23am

I just cleaned my mouse and I'm ready for a big day of scrolling!

It wouldn't scroll yesterday.

Actually, I have many bikes to work on, so I won't get to do that much scrolling today.

But at least my mouse is clean inside.

429 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:27:46am

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No particular artist, just in general. Seems like any female artist who comes on the radio ends up with some guy babbling for at least one verse of the song.

I first noticed that particular stunt with the "2nd" version of Amy Winehouse's "You Know I'm No Good". Ruined the context, flow, and style of a good song, and I'm not sure to what end since I don't think it's the sort of thing that increases sales.

Also the 1st song I deleted off of iTunes when I downloaded the CD onto it.

430 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:28:11am

I have informed two friends in COS of the MSA President's issues that were discussed yesterday.

431 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:54:54am

I kind of love this.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Three Chicago law schools published "Enron-style" post-graduate employment statistics that misrepresent their chances of getting a job, say students in three class actions.

The separate, but nearly identical complaints against DePaul University College of Law, John Marshall Law School, and the Illinois Institute of Technology aka Chicago-Kent College of Law, in Cook County Chancery Court, are part of a wave of such lawsuits filed this week all over the country.

Similar class actions were filed this week against Golden Gate University School of Law and the University of San Francisco School of Law (both in San Francisco Superior Court), Southwestern Law School (in Los Angeles Superior Court), the Maurice A. Deane School of Law at Hofstra University (in Nassau County Court, Mineola, N.Y.), and Widener University School of Law (in Newark Federal Court).

432 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 10:58:49am

re: #281 Floral Giraffe
re: #265 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
I can't believe I couldn't make the SuperBowl this year...Everything was planned out then everything changed. I almost was able to throw Winston in the car this morning and be at Paulies house by lunch..I was going to be live blogging all week from Indy..There is no way I could be at work on Monday morning at 8am.. No mathematical freaking way the road trip works..Indy..
Wish I had more time off..It just didn't work..
Shit happens, My Dear!
Get over it!
(It's just a game...)
LOL!"

YaButt! Friday night is the Commissioner's Party, Saturday Night it's either NFL Corporate or Merchandising, Sunday Pre-Game Bruche, Super Bowl, then Super Bowl Post Game Dinner.

433 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:05:09am

Hi lizards! It's Superbowl 24/7 right now.. So today I've watched the greatest SB commercials of all time..The Greatest games of all time..Live from Indy Shows from Saint Elmo's or the slippery Noodle...
My take..Never ever eat the fish at St Elmo's and you must go to the Noodle at some point in your life.. It's like the oldest bar in Indiana and is the classic blues bar..The best top ten in America..
You could get off Work on a Weds. Afternoon and drive there for a beer after work and hear some of the best blues players in America..Like I heard Matt' Guitar' Murphy after work one night...There is no place like it if you love the blues

434 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:09:02am

re: #433 HoosierHoops

I liked the old Checkerboard in Chicago but I think it closed down. They were great about letting people sit in with them too.

435 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:12:20am

Saw this on Balloon Juice and I had to share. This woman is awesome:

What a fantastic "fuck you". She wins.

436 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:15:21am

Good afternoon.

437 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:16:05am

re: #436 Varek Raith

Good afternoon.

Only one of those two words is correct

438 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:17:28am

re: #436 Varek Raith

Heh. The people at Bioware must know you. I did a mission on Tattooine in SWTOR for a guy named Raith who wanted me to rescue his loved ones.

They ended up being action figures and collectible toys. XD

439 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:18:04am

re: #438 Lidane

Heh. The people at Bioware must know you. I did a mission on Tattooine in SWTOR for a guy named Raith who wanted me to rescue his loved ones.

They ended up being action figures and collectible toys. XD

ROFL.

440 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:20:39am

re: #434 Obdicut

I liked the old Checkerboard in Chicago but I think it closed down. They were great about letting people sit in with them too.

Hey you..I never got much of a chance to ever sit in with a great player..
Don't you play music? I know you are an artist

441 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:21:30am

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Hey you..I never got much of a chance to ever sit in with a great player..
Don't you play music? I know you are an artist

Neither did the people that played with you!!

//

(ltns ,,, you doing okay??)

442 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:23:06am

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Corollary: any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice."

Arthur C. Clarke smiles.

The great question
"Are they ignorant because they are evil or are they evil because they are ignorant?"

Based upon my experience, they are carefully taught to be ignorant.

443 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:25:16am

re: #441 sattv4u2

Neither did the people that played with you!!

//

(ltns ,,, you doing okay??)

Thanks Satt! I'm a little raw right now..But starting the healing process..
Looking forward to the Superbowl party at the Moose Sunday..

444 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:25:53am

re: #443 HoosierHoops

Thanks Satt! I'm a little raw right now..But starting the healing process..
Looking forward to the Superbowl party at the Moose Sunday..

:)

{hoosier}

445 blueraven  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:31:39am

re: #435 Lidane

Saw this on Balloon Juice and I had to share. This woman is awesome:

[Video]What a fantastic "fuck you". She wins.

Awesomely Fierce!

446 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:35:51am

re: #443 HoosierHoops

Thanks Satt! I'm a little raw right now..But starting the healing process..
Looking forward to the Superbowl party at the Moose Sunday..

Excellent. The moose will be good for you.

447 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:36:27am

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Hey you..I never got much of a chance to ever sit in with a great player..
Don't you play music? I know you are an artist

I'm no artist, just a bit of a writer. And no, I don't play, but I'd bring my friends who did, and they'd let them get in on it.

448 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:39:41am

re: #446 wlewisiii

Excellent. The moose will be good for you.

Good eats

AND ,, you can use the antlers as floss!!

449 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:42:58am

re: #435 Lidane

Saw this on Balloon Juice and I had to share. This woman is awesome:

[Video]What a fantastic "fuck you". She wins.

what a lady. what a farce komen became.

450 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:43:38am

re: #447 Obdicut

I'm no artist, just a bit of a writer. And no, I don't play, but I'd bring my friends who did, and they'd let them get in on it.

I'm going to post a page about my dad..
I suck at writing
Oh well

451 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:44:21am

re: #450 HoosierHoops

I'm going to post a page about my dad..
I suck at writing
Oh well

That was a very well-written post.

452 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:45:48am

re: #450 HoosierHoops

I'm going to post a page about my dad..
I suck at writing
Oh well

Doesn't matter

It will be heartfelt and we'll get the message

453 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:28:20pm

OT but:

Just saw Kenny G and Ice Dancing on TV.

*Must* get sound of Kenny G's Soprano sax out of head. 

Need Randal Bramblette Soprano sax *solo* from "Living In A Dream" to clear head:

Ah, hate the Youtube visual, but the music is still good: 

454 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:36:34pm

re: #303 Gus 802

re: #300 negativ

"So you have a burning hatred for Steve Martin?

Nah. He's actually a real musician. I'm not your average American. I don't worship at the alter of famous actors. Especially crappy ones like George Clooney."

Steve Martin plays good bluegrass banjo at 163 beats a minute.

That ain't acting.


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