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Pamela Geller’s Ghoulish Obsession With ‘Honor Killings’ Takes an Ugly Turn

Geller exploits a murder to spread hatred
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Anti-Muslim hate group leader Pamela Geller has seized on the murder of a 20-year old Muslim woman in Michigan, labeled it an “honor killing,” and is now planning to hold a “conference” using the murdered woman’s name — against the wishes of the woman’s family, and even though both the family and the prosecutor in the case say it was the act of an abusive stepfather, not an “honor killing” at all. And to make it even more disgusting, Geller is calling her hatefest a “human rights conference.”

It’s hard to imagine someone so twisted and dysfunctional that they’d intrude on a family’s grief over a murdered child, and use the victim’s name against the family’s wishes. But Geller is defiantly determined to exploit this murder for all the bigoted hatred she can wring out of it: Slain Woman’s Name on ‘Human Rights’ Conference Upsets Her Family.

Jessica’s murder made international headlines. She left Minnesota to escape an allegedly physically and mentally abusive stepfather, but in April of 2011, her stepfather, Rahim Alfatlawi, drove from Minnesota to her grandmother’s Warren home and shot her in the head.

Her family calls it an awful tragedy, but others are calling it an honor killing.

“We know that this is a practice under Islamic law. The honor killing is the final act. People know very little of the terror … that these girls live under,” said Pamela Geller.

She is the head of Stop the Islamization of America. Geller is hosting a conference on the anniversary of Jessica’s death in Dearborn. It’s called the Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference.

“We cannot sanction this gendercide. We cannot sanction the diminishment and dehumanization of women. We must speak up,” Geller said.

We asked Jessica’s stepmother, Cassandra Mokdad, whether her murder was an honor killing. “Absolutely it was not,” she said. She told us this disgusting act had nothing to do with Islam, a religion she said Jessica practiced proudly.

“It was nothing about religion or anything. It was just about a sick human being,” Mohammed Mokdad said.

“He wanted to have a relationship with Jessica as more than her stepfather. He wanted to have a more romantic relationship with her,” Cassandra Mokdad explained.

“She’s using Jessica as her poster child for anti-Islam.” Even the Macomb County Prosecutor on the case said Alfatlawi murdered Jessica because he was obsessed with her, not the religion, and Jessica’s family wants her name taken off the conference.

“She’s using Jessica as her poster child for anti-Islam,” said Cassandra Mokdad.

“What gulls me is that there is this prohibition on discussing it and the ideology that inspires honor killings,” Geller explained.

She said this conference will happen and the name won’t be changed.

“We’re definitely going to have this conference and it will not be stopped. Their directing their barbs at me. I didn’t kill Jessica. I’m trying to save the next girl. They should be helping me save the next girl,” said Geller.

“Absolutely I’ll go. I won’t let her sit there and misuse Jessica’s name, and I will let her know exactly how I feel,” Cassandra Mokdad told us.

But wait — the story gets even more repellent, because Geller and her followers bullied and harassed the management of the Hyatt Regency in Dearborn, Michigan into giving her a conference room for free to hold this ugly hatefest, after they canceled a previous Geller hatefest. Unbelievable.

Here’s a page with contact info for the Dearborn Hyatt, if you’d like to let the management know how you feel about this disgusting event: Detroit Metro Hotel - Detroit Michigan Hotels - Hyatt Regency Dearborn. They backed down and tried to appease Geller, and as a result she’s now using their facilities to exploit a murdered woman’s name to spread hatred.

UPDATE at 2/6/12 12:31:03 pm

Geller responds in her customary fashion: Pamela Geller Spews Hatred at LGF Again.

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173 comments

1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:28:43am

Have you no sense of decency, Pam, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:32:34am

Of course, if Jessica were alive and became a politician or an otherwise visible figure, Geller would be the first to verbally stone her.

3 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:39:26am

They're seriously taking this hatefest to Dearborn?

That's like holding a "Circumcision is torturing babies!" conference in Tribeca. It's like holding a "Blacks are lazy jerks" conference in Harlem.

They're looking for trouble.

4 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:41:00am

re: #3 Obdicut

They're seriously taking this hatefest to Dearborn?

That's like holding a "Circumcision is torturing babies!" conference in Tribeca. It's like holding a "Blacks are lazy jerks" conference in Harlem.

They're looking for trouble.

Of course they are. Then, when something happens (as it inevitably will), they have just bolstered their cause immeasurably.

5 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:41:44am

Myfoxdetroit.com needs to hire writers who can spell.

I feel sorry for the folks who work at the Dearborn Hyatt. I can guarantee they aren't happy about the situation and the fact that they are going to catch abuse from all sides now.

6 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:43:04am

re: #5 funky chicken

It's highly probable there's some Muslim employees at the Hyatt. What the fuck are they going to feel as they hear themselves defamed? How are the xenophobic fucking guests going to deal with the sight of real live American Muslims being ordinary people?

7 jaunte  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:43:30am

Can the Mokdad family sue Geller for exploiting their name? Jessica Mokdad wasn't exactly a 'public person.'

8 dragonfire1981  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:45:00am

And this woman thinks of herself as an "Internationally renowned human rights activist"

This whole thing is reprehensible.

If I had the time or money I would get a bunch of people together for a road trip to Dearborn to protest this horrible thing.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:48:21am

It was the police that initially strongly implied that it was an honor killing:

[Link: detroit.cbslocal.com...]

A Minnesota man is accused of killing his 20-year-old stepdaughter in Michigan because she left home and wasn’t following Islam, police said Tuesday.

[...]

Torey said Mokdad had left her mother and stepfather to live with her father near Flint in Grand Blanc because she did not like their rules.

“He’s a strict Muslim, she was more Americanized,” Torey said.

Now this seems to be a result of lazy thinking/stereotyping, since:

[Link: detroit.cbslocal.com...]

Authorities previously said Alfetlawi was angry because Mokdad left home and wasn’t following Islam. The Macomb Daily of Mount Clemens reports prosecutors now say religion wasn’t an issue and Mokdad’s biological father was targeted.

So while Geller could be excused for initially assuming it was an honor killing, she should certainly address the facts of the case on their own merit before asserting it any further, and especially using it as a propaganda device.

10 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:48:27am

What a sick sick woman. Truly evil.

11 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:49:28am

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

So while Geller could be excused for initially assuming it was an honor killing, she should certainly address the facts of the case on their own merit before asserting it any further, and especially using it as a propaganda device.

Yes, but that would require actual sense, and we all know that's one of several things she lacks.

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:50:33am

re: #11 thedopefishlives

Yes, but that would require actual sense, and we all know that's one of several things she lacks.

"Geller" and "actual sense" should not be in the same sentence.

waitwut

13 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:50:55am

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Whatever happened to her looney idea to travel around the world in a yacht saving people from Islam?

14 jaunte  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:54:14am

re: #13 Obdicut

She couldn't find enough suckers to sign on to pay for it.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:55:45am

Further info:

[Link: www.arabamericannews.com...]

Rahim Alfetlawi began to exert a huge amount of control over Jessica Mokdad as she grew up, according to family members. Mohamad Mokdad described his daughter's situation as being a "prisoner" in her stepfather's house, claiming that cameras were installed in her room and a GPS tracker was placed on her phone.

That's not something even an honor-killing Islamist would do. It's clearly a mentally deranged obsession.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:58:38am

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

Cataldo said that Alfetlawi told police he originally wanted to kill Mohamad Mokdad because Jessica was being allowed to become "Westernized" according to reports.

Later, upon further examination of the case, he said he began to realize that the abusive relationship was mainly based on controlling her, however.

"My position is that what the facts and evidence show is that it was not as much about religious beliefs as it was about control," he said. "He forced her to relate to weird rules around the house; I don't know if it's religious but it (mostly centered) around issues of control.

17 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:59:23am

Lets scan the murders weekly in the US. Find a Muslim. Payday.

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:00:12pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

Lets scan the murders weekly in the US. Find a Muslim. Payday.

Bingo.

19 A Mom Anon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:01:08pm

I have to wonder what happens to someone to make them so consumed with hatred. It doesn't just happen out of nowhere.

The woman needs a metric shit ton of help. I can't imagine having to live with her(((shudder))). I get a pain behind my eye just looking at a photo of her. She looks angry and miserable.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:01:53pm

re: #13 Obdicut

Whatever happened to her looney idea to travel around the world in a yacht saving people from Islam?

Hadn't heard about that one. Sort of a superhero-in-deck-shoes, kind of thing?

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:05:12pm

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

Further info:

[Link: www.arabamericannews.com...]

That's not something even an honor-killing Islamist would do. It's clearly a mentally deranged obsession.

I can see a not-too-hinged man doing something like that and putting it in the context of guarding the family honor.

Crazy and evil don't rule out cultural factors, cultural factors don't rule out crazy and evil.

Pam, however, remains the last person on earth I want trying to educate anyone about honor killings.

22 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:05:13pm

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

To Geller, the fact that the story changed as more information became available is evidence of a cover-up.

23 Lidane  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:05:37pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Have you no sense of decency, Pam, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

A sense of decency would involve a conscience and self-awareness, two things that Pam clearly lacks.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:06:19pm

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

Note that Cataldo initially also thought it was a religious issue. Elsewhere he is quoted as saying in May that year that it was a "religious obsession rather than a psychological issue". So he changed his opinion when he became acquainted with more facts of the case.

All that said, there's no absolutely clear division between religious motive and psychological motive, since religious extremism can certainly feed an unhealthy mind, and vice versa. What should not be done is equating religious extremism with a whole religion.

25 darthstar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:07:24pm

She should be an honorary member of the Westboro Baptists by now.

26 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:08:01pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see a not-too-hinged man doing something like that and putting it in the context of guarding the family honor.

Crazy and evil don't rule out cultural factors, cultural factors don't rule out crazy and evil.

Agreed.

27 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:08:05pm

The problem with being a "hater" in a decent society is that is almost always backfires against the instigator. What Pam, et al are too stupid to realize is that their actions will likely have the opposite effect of what they hope and it is very likely to create more sympathy for Muslims, provided there is no violence. Martin Luther King proved this countless times.

28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:08:15pm

re: #25 darthstar

She should be an honorary member of the Westboro Baptists by now.

Except they hate Jews.

29 jaunte  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:09:14pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Hadn't heard about that one. Sort of a superhero-in-deck-shoes, kind of thing?


Money Woes Delay Pamela Geller’s Freedom Flotilla

Last June, “anti-jihad” bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer planned one of the oddest, most ambitious endeavors in recent conservative memory: the Freedom from Jihad Flotilla.

Set up after the cancellation of a joint European-American anti-jihad conference in France (because police there wouldn’t guarantee their safety, according to Geller), the flotilla was meant to be the anti-jihad answer to the Gaza flotilla. It would launch from New York on September 11, 2011 “from the New York harbor closest to the World Trade Center site.”

From there, Geller’s flotilla would travel to Greece, then skirt along the coast of Turkey, as a tribute to Greek and Armenian victims of the Ottoman Empire. Then it would then head to Egypt, where “all Coptic Christians seeking to escape Islamic oppression will be saved,” according to a press release. Then the flotilla would go on to Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Thailand.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:09:53pm

re: #24 Sergey Romanov

Note that Cataldo initially also thought it was a religious issue. Elsewhere he is quoted as saying in May that year that it was a "religious obsession rather than a psychological issue". So he changed his opinion when he became acquainted with more facts of the case.

All that said, there's no absolutely clear division between religious motive and psychological motive, since religious extremism can certainly feed an unhealthy mind, and vice versa. What should not be done is equating religious extremism with a whole religion.

Also, hard to rule out the possibility that religious extremism may provide cover for other motivations. A man who molests, or intends to, his stepdaughter may find it convenient if the neighbors chalk up his obsessive interest in her whereabouts to being concerned for her reputation, and the family honor, for example. I've read accounts of 'honor killings' in Jordan being motivated by other factors like inheritance issues, or family friction.

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:10:10pm

This is what Geller has to say about the fact that the initial reports were mistaken about it being an "honor killing:" VIDEO: Pamela Geller on FOX News Report of Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference and Family Cover-Up - Atlas Shrugs

But Wiley gives no hint of the existence of these reports or her own. Why? Who is paying off Alexis Wiley? Or is it that she is scared, intimidated, afraid to "offend Islam"? Or is it that her political correctness makes it impossible to think of Muslims as anything but victims?

Right to the conspiracy theories.

32 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:10:17pm

re: #22 Charles

To Geller, the fact that the story changed as more information became available is evidence of a cover-up.

Sooper-sekrit Muslim President Obama heard about the case and ordered the police to change their story!!!!1!1eleventy

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:11:22pm

re: #31 Charles

If anybody were afraid to offend Islam, neither the police, nor the prosecutor would have made those initial statements.

34 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:11:27pm

re: #31 Charles

It says something about you when your first instinct, upon hearing a report you disagree with, is to allege a conspiracy. And it isn't a good thing.

35 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:12:04pm

re: #13 Obdicut

Whatever happened to her looney idea to travel around the world in a yacht saving people from Islam?

I sail. A lot.

Dr. Laura is a well known and respected West Coast sailor. For example, Dennis Conner handed her the wheel in an Ensenada race. That would the equivalent of Michael Jordan passing you the ball.

Anyways, she completely turns off the politics in the racing world. She knows you know, but she doesn't rub it in. At all.

And I still can't stand her.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:12:15pm

re: #29 jaunte


Money Woes Delay Pamela Geller’s Freedom Flotilla

There are millions of Copts. That's one big damn flotilla.

37 the silent one  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:17:45pm

I'm amused at how Geller and Spencer think themselves experts simply because they've read 1 book on Islamic law. Apparently, they're not too familiar with 'tazeer' punishments, which are discretionary punishments the Judge can hand out if for whatever reason the main punishment stipulated in in the established punishments cannot be handed out.
SO while she quotes that parents can't be subjected to retaliation in the case of murdering children - that doesn't mean they'd get off scot free and they'd still be liable to punishment like Jail time.
Still digging around on this, and hopefully once i get some concrete evidence on this issue - it'll be valuable information to shut the 2 self proclaimed champions of human rights and Islamic scholars up.

38 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:19:09pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

There are millions of Copts. That's one big damn flotilla.

Yeah, and I'm sure they had a plan on how to feed and take care of all those people. It wasn't just a stupid plan like some 3rd grader might come up with. Sheesh.

"Then we'll sail around the world in a boat RESCUING PEOPLE!"

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:21:30pm
40 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:28:28pm

re: #38 Obdicut

Yeah, and I'm sure they had a plan on how to feed and take care of all those people. It wasn't just a stupid plan like some 3rd grader might come up with. Sheesh.

"Then we'll sail around the world in a boat RESCUING PEOPLE!"

I'm sorry.
When the conversation goes to boats and saving people, this is (still!) what comes to my mind - Sean Penn and leaky boats.

41 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:32:01pm

re: #37 the silent one

Welcome, hatchling.

Still digging around on this, and hopefully once i get some concrete evidence on this issue - it'll be valuable information to shut the 2 self proclaimed champions of human rights and Islamic scholars up.

Information won't shut them up. They have access to information; they lie to suit their cause. Lawsuits that would cost them money might shut them up.

42 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:37:09pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

I'm sorry.
When the conversation goes to boats and saving people, this is (still!) what comes to my mind - Sean Penn and leaky boats.

That there's funny, I don't care who y'are.

43 Sionainn  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:41:19pm

Early results from Nevada:

At Becker Middle School in conservative Summerlin, Mitt Romney won the Republican presidential caucus site in a blowout against his opponents. A GOP insider said the total count from 16 precincts caucusing with 575 total voters here was 62 percent for Romney, 20 percent for Gingrich, 10 percent for Paul and 6 percent for Santorum.

The GOP insider and sources in the Romney campaign said they expected the strong Romney trend throughout Clark County, while Paul might do better than third on the state's rural counties, including Nye.

More at link...

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:49:33pm

Finally some good panoramic photos from today's/yesterday's anti-Putin/pro-honest elections demo in Moscow:

[Link: alexandr-remnev.livejournal.com...]

The pro-Putin/anti-"orangist" demo (with neo-fascist message, as far as I'm concerned) was also huge, and apparently bigger than the opposition's demo (altho not as big as the govt sources claim). However long before the demo lots of evidence was posted that many people working in state enterprises were forced to attend.

45 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:50:01pm

re: #43 Sionainn

while Paul might do better than third on the state's rural counties, including Nye Asylum.

//

46 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:50:19pm

re: #43 Sionainn

re: #45 sattv4u2

while Paul might do better than third on the state's rural counties, including Nye Asylum.

//

and houses of ill repute

47 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:50:42pm

re: #40 reine.de.tout

He looks like a parody of self-importance.

48 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:50:55pm

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

RON PAUL.

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:51:12pm

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

(That's -20 Celsium, mind you.)

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:51:41pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

What?

51 Sionainn  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:51:49pm

re: #45 sattv4u2

while Paul might do better than third on the state's rural counties, including Nye Asylum.

//

Have you been to Nye county, home of Art Bell?

//sort of

52 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:52:36pm

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

anti-"orangist"

They don't like chamber/ church music!?!?

//

*(I could have gone in an entire different direction with that, mind you)

53 thatthatisis  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:52:43pm

Poor Jessica, who got violated twice, first by a vicious and obsessive step-father, and now by some self-absorbed, hate-filled stranger.

54 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:52:48pm

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

(That's -20 Celsium, mind you.)

The crowd is impressive, but I'm even more impressed by how beautiful the city is. I'm an adopted Scandinavian, I can't help but admire a good snowscape.

55 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:53:21pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

What?

That sign you posted earlier.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:53:47pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

Ah. I still can't figure out those guys.

57 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:53:47pm

re: #44 Sergey Romanov

Finally some good panoramic photos from today's/yesterday's anti-Putin/pro-honest elections demo in Moscow:

[Link: alexandr-remnev.livejournal.com...]

The pro-Putin/anti-"orangist" demo (with neo-fascist message, as far as I'm concerned) was also huge, and apparently bigger than the opposition's demo (altho not as big as the govt sources claim). However long before the demo lots of evidence was posted that many people working in state enterprises were forced to attend.

HEY ,, is that you ,, right behind the guy with the flag!?!?
/

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:58:01pm

This one is also good, altho you won't get it without some background ;)

Image: x_c1070ad8.jpg

59 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:58:13pm

re: #56 Sergey Romanov

Ah. I still can't figure out those guys.

Maybe we can send Ron Paul over there...?

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:59:11pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Maybe we can send Ron Paul over there...?

If we can send Putin to you...

61 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:59:13pm
62 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 12:59:58pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

If we can send Putin to you...

Sure, he and Chuck Norris can do infomercials on scammy body building machines.

63 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:00:36pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Arizona GOP Lawmaker Wants A State Holiday To Celebrate White People

The stupid doesn't burn, it explodes.

This is why we coined the term "weapons-grade stupid".

64 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:04:39pm

Now that's stuck in my head.
Heh.

65 jaunte  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:05:28pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

“Good idea,” said one woman. “Like they have Cinco de Mayo for Mexicans. We need something for whites.”

Sandwich de Mayo?

66 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:08:06pm

re: #42 thedopefishlives

That there's funny, I don't care who y'are.

Channeling Larry the Cable Guy, are you?

67 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:11:06pm

re: #66 talon_262

Channeling Larry the Cable Guy, are you?

I get a lot of exposure to him, since my family is all country bumpkins.

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:14:15pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

Now that's stuck in my head.
Heh.

69 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:20:03pm

Going to see Colin John play solo slack key and delta blues tonight for sunset dinner.

If you look closely you can see me in the crowd. I'm the guy with the beer.

70 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:32:00pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

Now that's stuck in my head.
Heh.

at least there's something there now!!
/

71 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:33:52pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

at least there's something there now!!
/

I foresee a *ZZZZAAAAPPP*
//

72 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:34:19pm

re: #71 Sergey Romanov

I foresee a *ZZZAAAPPP*
//

I have my shields up

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:34:52pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

I have my shields up

At least you have something up now!!

///

74 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:35:14pm

re: #73 Sergey Romanov

At least you have something up now!!

///

OH SNAP!

75 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:35:18pm

re: #73 Sergey Romanov

At least you have something up now!!

///

and thanks for noticing, big guy!!
(bats eyelashes)

76 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:35:58pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

at least there's something there now!!
/

Don't move.
Image: PlanetaryBombardment-SWGTCG.jpg

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:37:39pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

and thanks for noticing, big guy!!
(bats eyelashes)

You have eyelashes, cousin Itt?

//

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:44:12pm

re: #6 Obdicut

It's highly probable there's some Muslim employees at the Hyatt. What the fuck are they going to feel as they hear themselves defamed? How are the xenophobic fucking guests going to deal with the sight of real live American Muslims being ordinary people?

They'll just find something else to hate on them for, even if the Gellerite have to spin that reason out of whole cloth. Haters will always find a pretext to hate.

79 simoom  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:45:29pm

A somewhat unsettling Colbert segment on the recent SuperPAC donor disclosures:

Add to the list 60 million directly from Charles and David Koch plus another 40 million pledged from various other guests to their Indian Wells fundraiser:
[Link: www.mydesert.com...]

80 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:46:13pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

I have my shields up

Against that sort of firepower? Varek's Imperial Fleet will bombard your shields into uselessness in a matter of minutes!

/Stay on Target!

81 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:48:36pm

re: #79 simoom

We've made it legal to buy the government, shouldn't be surprised when they do it.

Citizens United was a terrible decision that'll continue to haunt us for years to come. I can only hope that, even with that amount of money, there's a limited amount they can actually do with it.

But it's still such a slap in the face to democracy and civil society.

82 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:56:19pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Against that sort of firepower? Varek's Imperial Fleet will bombard your shields into uselessness in a matter of minutes!

/Stay on Target!

feh ,, I have and impenetrable defense

Image: nicamaka-tiki-fiberbuild-umbrella.jpg

83 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:57:20pm

re: #81 Obdicut

I kinda liked it when Obama slapped them upside their heads at the 2010 SOTU. Several Justices boycotted the 2011 speech as a result.

Citizens United just reeks.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 1:58:00pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

feh ,, I have and impenetrable defense

Image: nicamaka-tiki-fiberbuild-umbrella.jpg

Adamantine umbrella? They have special lasers for those.

85 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:02:58pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

feh ,, I have and impenetrable defense

Image: nicamaka-tiki-fiberbuild-umbrella.jpg

Image: Wile-E.jpeg

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:03:55pm

re: #83 Olsonist

I kinda liked it when Obama slapped them upside their heads at the 2010 SOTU. Several Justices boycotted the 2011 speech as a result.

Citizens United just reeks.

Obama should not have done that. It was an inappropriate swipe at people who could not effective reply, given the setting. Justice Alito's sotto voce reply "Untrue." summed my feeling about Obama's grandstanding.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:06:27pm

Heh. This is absolutely a symbol of the pro-Putin demo today:

Image: 6817131185_92dd610447.jpg

88 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:06:55pm

re: #87 Sergey Romanov

Heh. This is absolutely a symbol of the pro-Putin demo today:

Image: 6817131185_92dd610447.jpg

Yeesh.

89 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:08:57pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Obama should not have done that. It was an inappropriate swipe at people who could not effective reply, given the setting.

In what way should he voice his disagreement with their decision, then?

Justice Alito's sotto voce reply "Untrue." summed my feeling about Obama's grandstanding.

In what way was it grandstanding? You don't think Obama's thoughts on the subject are sincere?

90 simoom  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:08:59pm

If anyone has a little time to kill, you can read a compilation of Birfers losing their collective shit over yesterday's GA ballot eligibility ruling:
[Link: badfiction.typepad.com...]
[Link: ohforgoodnesssake.com...]

A couple representative samples:

KenyanBornObamAcorn: TRAITORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

---

"When a government becomes repressive of the governed, it the responsibility of the people to rise up and overthrow the government!
That time, I think is now apron us!"

I'm with you! God, this just makes me sick. How long are we going to have to endure a judicial branch that thumbs its nose at the Constitution??

"That time, I think is now apron us!" :P

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:09:03pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Yeesh.

He has this each time. He puts out a lot of video clips, and usually after several minutes, as he gets more and more hysterical, his mouth begins to overflow, like he was a rabid rabbit.

He's a conspiracist too, of course.

92 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:09:19pm

Citizens United was January 21, 2010. The SOTU was January 27, 2010. Tell me that wasn't intentional on Roberts' part. Citizens United was a political act, not an impartial judicial judgment. It deserved a political response.

93 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:11:43pm

re: #92 Olsonist

Citizens United was January 21, 2010. The SOTU was January 27, 2010. Tell me that wasn't intentional on Roberts' part. Citizens United was a political act, not an impartial judicial judgment. It deserved a political response.

Got proof?

94 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:12:29pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Piker. /Shadow Planet Killer

95 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:14:01pm

re: #94 lawhawk

I prefer the flashiness and quickness of the Vorlon one.

96 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:14:35pm

BTW, if folks recall that incident outside a Florida polling place where a Ron Paul supporter was attacked by Newt's security goons, well it turns out that the guy is suing Newt personally, the Gingrich campaign, and the Gingrich security firm.

A Florida man has filed a lawsuit against Newt Gingrich and his security team -- claiming he was roughed up outside the Florida Republican Presidential Primary earlier this week ... because he was carrying a sign supporting another candidate.

In a lawsuit filed yesterday in U.S. District court in Florida, Edward Dillard claims he was just minding his own business on January 31 when Newt and his wife came strolling up to the polling place. Dillard claims he was standing outside of a canopy which had been set up with a microphone stand, when Newt and Callista came right up to him and shook his hand.

Dillard claims Newt then noticed his Ron Paul t-shirt and "immediately turned his back" to him and went on to greet other people. That's when Dillard claims several of Gingrich's security team came up to him and tried to "intimidate him into moving from the spot."

Dillard -- who says he was wearing open-toed sandals -- then claims one of the agents "lifted his heeled shoe over Dillard's right foot and dug the back of it into his skin, twisting it side-to-side like he was stomping out a cigarette, causing a fracture to Dillard's right foot."

Sounds like he's got himself a whopper of a case.

97 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:15:49pm

re: #96 lawhawk

I don't like Ron Paul supporters, but they've got every right to safety and security while protesting, like anyone else.

It was such a bullshit, bully attack, too. Stepping on his damn feet.

98 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:16:09pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

99 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:17:04pm

re: #98 lawhawk

[Video]

Yeah, it took the combined firepower of the Firstones while the Shadow planet killer fell to humans.
:P

100 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:17:35pm

re: #87 Sergey Romanov

Heh. This is absolutely a symbol of the pro-Putin demo today:

Image: 6817131185_92dd610447.jpg

Needs moar armband.

101 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:18:35pm

re: #97 Obdicut

Absolutely. He was exercising his right to speech, and Newt's goons tried to force him from that corner all because it would provide bad optics for the camera shots of Gingrich.

Instead? Newt gets bad optics of seeing him and his campaign sued over being a bunch of bullies and assaulting a person expressing his political views. Don't have to agree with that guy's political views, but I'll protect his right to say 'em.

102 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:18:41pm

re: #96 lawhawk

BTW, if folks recall that incident outside a Florida polling place where a Ron Paul supporter was attacked by Newt's security goons, well it turns out that the guy is suing Newt personally, the Gingrich campaign, and the Gingrich security firm.

Sounds like he's got himself a whopper of a case.

Unless he retains O. Taitz, Esq.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:19:07pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Needs moar armband.

The sound effects more than made up for it.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:23:25pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

Yeah, it took the combined firepower of the Firstones while the Shadow planet killer fell to humans.
:P

Yes, the Shadow version was less overwhelming but was cheaper and quicker to build. Trade-offs.

105 jaunte  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:24:31pm

re: #81 Obdicut

We've made it legal to buy the government, shouldn't be surprised when they do it.

Citizens United was a terrible decision that'll continue to haunt us for years to come. I can only hope that, even with that amount of money, there's a limited amount they can actually do with it.

But it's still such a slap in the face to democracy and civil society.

American conservatives will be fine with it until a foreign corporation starts outbidding them for politicians.

106 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:25:04pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the Shadows apparently had more than 1 planet killer. So the Shadow version was less overwhelming but was cheaper and quicker to build. Trade-offs.

The Vorlons had 2.
It was about to blow up Centauri Prime but was recalled after the first one was destroyed.

107 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:26:43pm

Well, shit. A friend of mine who lives in Oakland just had a bullet come through his wall-- two inches above his three year old daughter's head. The cops actually caught the dude, for once, since he just walked inside a bar after he fired the shot and they hauled him out of there.

Fucking gangbangers. Yeah, big tough man almost blowing away a three year old.

His daughter doesn't even understand what happened, thank goodness.

And he doesn't know what to do. He can't afford to move.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:26:48pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

The Vorlons had 2.
It was about to blow up Centauri Prime but was recalled after the first one was destroyed.

Oh. Previous comment revised via Pencil. It now reads:

Yes, the Shadow version was less overwhelming but was cheaper and quicker to build. Trade-offs.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:27:11pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

The Vorlons had 2.
It was about to blow up Centauri Prime but was recalled after the first one was destroyed.

Don't get me wrong, I love B5, but ... nerds!

/

110 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:27:47pm

re: #107 Obdicut

damn ,,, thank God all are safe

111 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:28:07pm

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

Don't get me wrong, I love B5, but ... nerds!

/

More fun then arguing about real world nonsense.
;)

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:28:41pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

More fun then arguing about real world nonsense.
;)

Well, I don't mean it that way. It's more like, you remember all this stuff?

113 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:29:45pm

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

Well, I don't mean it that way. It's more like, you remember all this stuff?

>

Yes, we do. Nerds have strong memories for sci-fi minutia, which is part of why so many of us are also gamers.

114 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:29:47pm

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

Well, I don't mean it that way. It's more like, you remember all this stuff?

Yep.
I also tend to run through the whole series every couple of years or so.

115 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:30:07pm

Finally watched the movie version of Watchmen today (theatrical release) was pretty good, though one glaring error stands out to me, it would have taken 30 seconds to establish who Bubastis was while Adrian was talking to those reporters in his first scene (especially as he mentions his company doing genetic engineering work), and they didn't do it, instead having him not show up till the very end, with thus no explanation as to what she is or why she is important to Adrian.

Other than that I think the film was prety good.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:30:16pm

I've watched B5 twice, once the translated version on Russian TV, second when I downloaded the whole thing from torrents. No way I'm remembering who had what ships. I can barely remember the race names ;)

117 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:30:17pm

I remember the very first time I watched Star Wars.
I was 4.

118 simoom  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:31:07pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Obama should not have done that. It was an inappropriate swipe at people who could not effective reply, given the setting. Justice Alito's sotto voce reply "Untrue." summed my feeling about Obama's grandstanding.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another on it, but it's not unprecedented to criticize the courts in SotU addresses (for example tearing into "activist" judges has certainly been a SotU staple). Also, Justices are free to publicly respond, as Justices Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas have, or to not attend, as many Justices have done over the years.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Presidential criticism of Supreme Court decisions at the State of the Union is nothing new. Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Warren Harding, Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, among others, all did it.

In 1988, for instance, two years after the court again reaffirmed its ban on school prayer, President Reagan noted that the court and Congress both acknowledge God at the opening of their proceedings, and he called for a constitutional amendment to reverse the school prayer ruling.

In 1984, six months after the court reaffirmed its Roe v. Wade abortion ruling, and again at the State of the Union four years later, Reagan again was strongly critical — asking Congress to enact a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe.

"To those who say this violates a woman's right to control her own body," Reagan said during his 1988 address, "can they deny that now medical evidence confirms the unborn child is a living human being entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?"

...

In 1937, President Roosevelt expected the court to attend. But as one of Roosevelt's top aides, Harold Ickes, wrote in his diary, someone apparently tipped off the court that Roosevelt's speech would be critical of recent decisions, and none of the justices showed.

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:32:00pm

re: #115 jamesfirecat

For me, the absolutely best part of the movie was the intro.


Other than that, I don't remember much. (But we've already established above I have bad memory ;).
120 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:32:19pm

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

Absolutely...

121 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:33:05pm

re: #107 Obdicut

Damn... just damn... glad your friend and his daughter are okay...

122 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:34:02pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

For me, the absolutely best part of the movie was the intro.

[Video]
Other than that, I don't remember much. (But we've already established above I have bad memory ;).

No argument with you there, the intro was quite breathtaking.

123 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:34:26pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to interpret that as saying that you don't think Citizens United was a political act. If it was a political act, then my argument is in the rather blitheringly obvious category.

So let's list a few things about Citizen United.

1) it overrules a bipartisan Congress, overruling McCain–Feingold.
2) it was ruled 7 days before the SOTU. 5-4.
3) at its core, it is about the political system.

Did Roberts show due respect for Congress during oral argument with his sarcastic questioning?
Was it ruled narrowly? As if.

It was conservative activist judges ruling what they could never pass.

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:34:44pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

If only the rest of... ah, I'm rambling.

125 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:35:04pm

re: #121 lawhawk

It really shows the breakdown of civil society. He could sue that bar, because they allow dudes with guns to get drunk there, they allow drug dealing there. But then he'd be suing a bunch of angry asshole criminals who are across the street from him. He could sue the gangbanger, but it'd be amazing if that dude had any recoverable assets.

I hope the feds do take over Oakland. They can't possibly do a worse job. I thought Oakland was making a little progress under Brown but it vanished like a daydream.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:35:58pm

re: #125 Obdicut

Seems like they're doing the skull-bashing and macing in all the wrong places.

127 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:40:36pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I hope the feds do take over Oakland. They can't possibly do a worse job. I thought Oakland was making a little progress under Brown but it vanished like a daydream.

Yes, the Feds should take over. I could only hope that they'd fire the entire department and start over. Also, police should have college diplomas not GEDs.

I live in Oakland and those cops don't. They'd really rather be beating up on OO anarchists. The City has paid out $58M in legal settlements over the last 10 years. San Jose paid out $8.6M.

We need police. These guys are not police.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:40:46pm

re: #125 Obdicut

It really shows the breakdown of civil society. He could sue that bar, because they allow dudes with guns to get drunk there, they allow drug dealing there. But then he'd be suing a bunch of angry asshole criminals who are across the street from him. He could sue the gangbanger, but it'd be amazing if that dude had any recoverable assets.

I hope the feds do take over Oakland. They can't possibly do a worse job. I thought Oakland was making a little progress under Brown but it vanished like a daydream.

Jerry Brown was indeed good for Oakland, but that wasn't the city government that created the progress, it was Jerry Brown being in charge of it. The gains he made could not be maintained by successors of lesser quality.

BBL

129 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:41:22pm

re: #126 Sergey Romanov

Seems like they're doing the skull-bashing and macing in all the wrong places.

The Oakland cops are a lesson in incompetence, failure, and corruption, currently led by a mayor who seems to specialize in dithering.

If the Riders case had wound up with convictions, maybe the PD would be in a better shape to reform. But letting those guys off seems to have just locked in the corruption and hostility towards the people they're supposed to protect.

130 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:44:58pm

re: #123 Olsonist

On this, I think there's a fair argument that McCain Feingold was itself unconstitutional as it restricts free speech - particularly political speech.

However, one bad decision (McCain Feingold) results in another bad decision in Citizens United that gives corporate entities an oversized say in politics.

Frankly, Congress does need to revisit this area, but they wont. They benefit and profit too much from all that money.

Congress could enact finance reform that starts with the simple clarification that only corporeal persons can contribute to political campaigns. Raise the dollar limits. Simplify the reporting processes and improve transparency. That, above everything else is what is needed.

131 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:49:41pm

re: #129 Obdicut

The Oakland cops are a lesson in incompetence, failure, and corruption, currently led by a mayor who seems to specialize in dithering.

If the Riders case had wound up with convictions, maybe the PD would be in a better shape to reform. But letting those guys off seems to have just locked in the corruption and hostility towards the people they're supposed to protect.

Take Riders and Mehserle/Grant and it's long running problem that makes Oakland unique to the rest of OWS. This doesn't seem to be understood.

132 erik_t  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 2:55:48pm

re: #130 lawhawk

On this, I think there's a fair argument that McCain Feingold was itself unconstitutional as it restricts free speech - particularly political speech.

It restricts financial contributions. I'm unclear on exactly why we've decided that money and speech are precisely the same thing.

Never mind that reasonable and proper limits on speech are very much a part of our constitutional understanding and tradition - I am reasonably sure that bribery of public officials is illegal, and the connection between bribery and campaign contributions ought to be a pretty obvious one.

133 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:01:54pm

re: #130 lawhawk

There are many areas that the Supreme Court elects to stay out of, effectively deferring to the Executive or Congress or both. Arguably, Marbury v Madison can be seen as Congress deferring to the Judicial branch as to its own organization.

Was McCain Feingold unconstitutional? Well, it is now.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:03:35pm

re: #133 Olsonist

After Pres. Romney installs enough activist judges, you'll remember CU as a mild centrist decision.

135 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:03:58pm

re: #132 erik_t

Between campaign contributions, superPACs, industry front groups, and insider trading being allowed to Congresspeople, it is no wonder that they're largely corporatist and the rights of citizens keep getting pushed below the rights of corporations.

And corporations do not care about human things. They are not people, no matter what liars say.

136 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:05:27pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

When my dog Gingrich becomes CEO we won't have to wait that long. He's just going to ignore those judges.

137 McSpiff  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:05:31pm

re: #130 lawhawk

From my point of view, Citizens United was the only constitutional outcome, given the standing of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, and really the entire idea behind corporate personhood. I don't 100% disagree with corporate personhood, it starts out from a very logical point of view. Corporations provide a necessary legal firewall. Great, agreed. Corporations require many of the same rights as actual people. Great, also agreed. Therefore corporations are people. Wait, what?

Why not simply enumerate the rights that corporations do have (right to hold property, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, etc) instead of just defaulting to the standard set. If we want to give corporations a modified freedom of speech excluding political speech, why not? And this should have never required a constitutional amendment. But pandora's box has been open for over a century now, and I don't see it being closed anytime soon.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:07:43pm

Corporations are as much people, as fish are sea puppies.

139 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:08:31pm

re: #137 McSpiff

Exactly. The number of ways that corporations are not people is legion. They can be immortal, but they can also die without any regret. Those two things alone make the rights of citizens totally inappropriate for them.

It has also completely divorced the idea of ownership of a corporation from actually running it.

140 McSpiff  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:09:42pm

re: #139 Obdicut

Exactly. The number of ways that corporations are not people is legion. They can be immortal, but they can also die without any regret. Those two things alone make the rights of citizens totally inappropriate for them.

It has also completely divorced the idea of ownership of a corporation from actually running it.

Yup, it simply isn't logical to assume that because two entities require some of the same rights, the only legal way to protect them is to declare them equal.

141 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:12:40pm
142 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:15:52pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

And he's trying to get it down to misdemeanors. Because it's not like the GOP has been talking about how we need to crack down hard on voting fraud.

Hypocrite.

143 Archangelus  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:17:03pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Republican Indiana Secretary Of State Convicted Of Voter Fraud

"White’s now-removed 2010 campaign website listed election integrity as among his top concerns, and promised he would “protect and defend Indiana’s Voter ID law to ensure our elections are fair and protect the most basic and precious right and responsibility of our democracy-voting.”

That sound you just heard was the irony-meter exploding with a force equal to that of a bunker-buster...

144 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:18:25pm

re: #143 Archangelus

That sound you just heard was the irony-meter exploding with a force equal to that of a bunker buster...

I thought I heard a great many things going boom...

145 allegro  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:19:46pm

re: #143 Archangelus

That sound you just heard was the irony-meter exploding with a force equal to that of a bunker-buster...

It's just another example of paying attention to what Republicans say and know that they mean the opposite.

146 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:21:21pm

re: #143 Archangelus

That sound you just heard was the irony-meter exploding with a force equal to that of a bunker buster...

I saw a mushroom cloud emanating from my irony meter...

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:25:10pm

re: #146 talon_262

I saw a mushroom cloud emanating from my irony meter...

You should not have let that bacteria colony live there for months. Evolution, whatchagonnado.

148 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:25:58pm

re: #146 talon_262

I saw a mushroom cloud emanating from my irony meter...

Image: tmp.jpg

149 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:26:52pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov

Corporations are as much people, as fish are sea puppies.

Sea Puppies

150 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:29:43pm

If corporations are people, why not governments? Churches?

Armies?

ACORN?

Think of the USS Ronald Reagan.... will it run for the Presidency?

151 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:30:41pm

re: #142 Obdicut

And he's trying to get it down to misdemeanors. Because it's not like the GOP has been talking about how we need to crack down hard on voting fraud.

Hypocrite.

The main reason White's trying to get the sentence cut down to misdemeanors is because he lost his gig as Indiana SoS, since convicted felons are ineligible to hold elected office in Indiana. Daniels, of course, is backing this turd and has made White's deputy the interim SoS for the time being, but White's Dem challenger might wind up with the position due to all of this.

Cue the gnashing of teeth and wailing of the wingnuts on this...

152 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:31:25pm

re: #149 BigPapa

Sea Puppies

I like hush puppies...does that count?

153 Olsonist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:33:07pm

I just reread Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. I remembered it said:

Corporations are Animals.
All Animals are Equal.

But then I read Citizens United and it says:

Corporations are Animals.
All Animals are Equal, but some Animals are more equal than others.

I will work harder.

154 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:33:14pm

re: #151 talon_262

It's so ridiculous. The dude voted at the wrong place to cover up that he'd moved outside the place he represented. Why is Daniels defending him?

155 Archangelus  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:38:59pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

Image: tmp.jpg

Hah, savin' that one...

156 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:40:18pm

re: #154 Obdicut

It's so ridiculous. The dude voted at the wrong place to cover up that he'd moved outside the place he represented. Why is Daniels defending him?

I'll take "Because he's a Republican" for 1000 Alex.

157 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:47:58pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

If you declare residency in one place on one form, and declare it in another place on another form, and both those declarations happen to work in your favor, it doesn't take a genius to see that's not an innocent mistake.

158 darthstar  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:55:29pm

Who's on first.

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:01:02pm

re: #150 BigPapa

If corporations are people, why not governments? Churches?

Armies?

ACORN?

Think of the USS Ronald Reagan... will it run for the Presidency?

They killed ACORN! BASTARDS!

160 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:01:17pm

re: #154 Obdicut

It's so ridiculous. The dude voted at the wrong place to cover up that he'd moved outside the place he represented. Why is Daniels defending him?

"I have chosen not to make a permanent appointment today out of respect for the judge's authority to lessen the verdict to a misdemeanor and reinstate the elected office holder," Daniels said in a statement. "If the felony convictions are not altered, I anticipate making a permanent appointment quickly."

I guaran-damn-tee you that if the Indiana SoS was a Democrat, Daniels would have been scrambling to find a pen to sign the appointment of a permanent replacement.

If Daniels was all gung ho on law and order, as conservatives tend to be, he'd publicly repudiate White and state that he'd see to it that White would likely never retake his position as SoS, as much as the law would allow.

161 jaunte  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:03:15pm

re: #160 talon_262

"out of respect for the judge's authority"

Lol.

162 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:26:55pm

...

163 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:31:46pm

re: #47 Obdicut

He looks like a parody of self-importance.

I think he meant well, but just, well, failed.

On the other hand, this one has done a heckuva job, quietly and mostly behind the scenes.

164 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:44:58pm

re: #163 reine.de.tout

Hey Reine, I lost your E-Mail address (system crash). Could you send me a E-Mail so I could restore it? Thanks.

165 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:45:39pm

re: #164 Bubblehead II

Hey Reine, I lost your E-Mail address (system crash). Could you send me a E-Mail so I could restore it? Thanks.

It's my nic at yahoo.com

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:47:38pm

re: #97 Obdicut

I don't like Ron Paul supporters, but they've got every right to safety and security while protesting, like anyone else.

It was such a bullshit, bully attack, too. Stepping on his damn feet.

Yeah. Who he likes for president--not so important.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:48:23pm

re: #107 Obdicut

Well, shit. A friend of mine who lives in Oakland just had a bullet come through his wall-- two inches above his three year old daughter's head. The cops actually caught the dude, for once, since he just walked inside a bar after he fired the shot and they hauled him out of there.

Fucking gangbangers. Yeah, big tough man almost blowing away a three year old.

His daughter doesn't even understand what happened, thank goodness.

And he doesn't know what to do. He can't afford to move.

I am so sorry, and relieved it wasn't worse.

168 ozbloke  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 5:27:57pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

I am so sorry, and relieved it wasn't worse.

Was it you?

169 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Feb 4, 2012 5:53:06pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout

Thanks.

170 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:28:24am

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

Got proof?

Arguing from ignorance unless you have proof it wasn't.

171 Mar  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:35:39pm

She is really stupid. She said what "gulls me." The term is what "galls me."

172 Ming  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:15:55pm

What Geller is doing - exploiting the death of a child - is so bad that it is entirely removed from the realm of politics, and is purely in the realm of psychology. Sure, it's very natural to think of Geller's exploitation of 20-year-old Jessica, and her grieving family, as just another "right-wing excess". That was my first reaction to the blog post. But Geller has achieved "escape velocity": she is beyond left versus right, liberal versus conservative.

Geller may have had a human life once, but she's now little more than a damaged soul who lives on pure hatred. The fact that her politics happens to be "on the right" is, in comparison to her ugly psychology, a very minor detail.

173 wee beastie  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:53:29am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

LLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLL!

This has to be a joke, right? The article sounds like something out of the Onion.

She sounds like that psycho in the movie Falling Down... "think about it, man."


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