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1 JRCMYP  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:00:46pm

My 8 year old asked me what he was talking about. I told him we'd have a long talk tomorrow but it had to do with the "planes and the buildings" conversation we'd had a while back.

2 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:01:05pm

The RWNJs are already excommunicating him and labeling him a RINO, from what I hear, but it doesn't matter.

Clint is like the honey badger: he don't give a shit.

3 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:01:56pm

LENO!

4 efuseakay  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:04:18pm

Best commercial... too bad the VW/fat doggie will probably be voted the favorite.

5 jaunte  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:05:37pm

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
The highpoint so far has been the commercials from all the car companies Romney wanted to go out of business.

6 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:05:40pm

re: #4 efuseakay

Best commercial... too bad the VW/fat doggie will probably be voted the favorite.

I dunno. The M&M's one might be a pretty close runner. Nevertheless, I'm glad this commercial was in the lineup. Chrysler did a good job with it, and it was worth it.

7 Lidane  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:06:46pm

re: #5 jaunte

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
The highpoint so far has been the commercials from all the car companies Romney wanted to go out of business.

That and all the GE commercials that might as well be love letters to unionized manufacturing employees.

8 jaunte  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:07:01pm

Mitt Romney driving uphill in Michigan

...Further underlining the good news, Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne announced that, as a reward for the company’s first profitable year since 2005, all hourly workers would be receiving a $1,500 bonus. Meanwhile, GM announced plans to invest $200 million in a new stamping plant in Arlington, Texas. Oh, and Michigan’s unemployment rate declined again in December, to its lowest point in more than two years.

Chrysler’s numbers are particularly noteworthy, because without the Obama administration’s combination bailout/managed bankruptcy, Chrysler almost assuredly would not exist.

9 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:07:12pm

heh. Amusing Honda commercial there.

10 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:07:35pm

re: #2 talon_262

Also, while Clint has been a Republican for eons, he's actually been more liberal in some respects than some Democrats, IIRC.

11 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:07:53pm

re: #9 oaktree

heh. Amusing Honda commercial there.

Beuler? Beuler?

12 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:09:54pm

re: #9 oaktree

heh. Amusing Honda commercial there.

re: #11 thedopefishlives

Beuler? Beuler?

Loved the Broderick/Honda commerical, paying homage to one of the movies that made him famous.

13 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:10:36pm

re: #12 talon_262

re: #11 thedopefishlives

Loved the Broderick/Honda commerical, paying homage to one of the movies that made him famous.

Expect RWNJ outrage shortly for Ben Stein being left out of it.
/

14 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:12:13pm

re: #13 oaktree

Expect RWNJ outrage shortly for Ben Stein being left out of it.
/

What? You mean Stein has been expelled?

15 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:13:16pm

re: #14 b_sharp

What? You mean Stein has been expelled?

I see what you did there...

16 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:13:41pm

re: #8 jaunte

But they aren't investing in Michigan. :(

17 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:14:09pm

I see that Bud Light commercial and see a dog being taken advantage of by a bunch of lazy doofs.

18 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:14:40pm

That's good stuff, but I like Eastwood. I liked the Eminem ad last year too, and I don't care for the guy at all.

And it's vital that we keep manufacturing strong here, obviously. Duh.

19 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:14:43pm

Could we get the same type of fourth quarter as from Super Bowl 42?

Late Patriots lead, with the Giants driving to score and win?

Be awfully funny if the margin of victory was Brady's goof with the safety.

20 jaunte  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:16:53pm

Phil Plait @BadAstronomer
During a 4 hour game, the Earth rotates 60 degrees. #SciperBowl

21 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:17:24pm

re: #16 ProLifeLiberal

But they aren't investing in Michigan. :(

It's so damn cold there. Brrr. I'd say there have been plenty of jobs saved in Michigan, and probably some created as well.

22 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:17:36pm

re: #20 jaunte

Phil Plait @BadAstronomer
During a 4 hour game, the Earth rotates 60 degrees. #SciperBowl

Math and science has no place in popular culture!
;)
//

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:17:47pm

re: #10 talon_262

Also, while Clint has been a Republican for eons, he's actually been more liberal in some respects than some Democrats, IIRC.

Clint reminds me of late model Goldwater who wasn't the fire breather in the 80's, but instead was the kind of conservative that could say "Every good Christian should kick Jerry Falwell's ass.".

24 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:18:10pm

A full-on, no-shit revolution, followed by full-on, no-shit civil war, followed by a full-on, no-shit depression that saw people starving to death, followed by a full-on, no-shit global war (ripples of which I contend are still being felt to this day). Deranged mobs lynching "n*****s" considered 'just the way it goes down South', race riots, cities in flames. Assassination of the president, at the height of a so-called "cold war" where crazy and paranoid people were pointing nuclear weapons at each other for no discernible rational reason. The Middle-East. Disco. Taco Bell. Boy bands.

BUT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, we have a black president and people are not as rich as they could be if circumstances were such that facilitated them being richer, and THAT of course means that it's half-time for human civilization.

Or something?

25 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:18:16pm

re: #21 funky chicken

I know, I just don't like seeing Red States get jobs from Blue States.

26 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:18:47pm

re: #18 funky chicken

That's good stuff, but I like Eastwood. I liked the Eminem ad last year too, and I don't care for the guy at all.

And it's vital that we keep manufacturing strong here, obviously. Duh.

I loved last year's Chrysler SB ad with Eminem; despite his very public scrapes with the law and with his (ex-?) wife, he has always been proud of and a booster of his hometown.

These days, Eminem is as much the face of Detroit as much as the Big Three are.

27 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:19:27pm

Ron Paul can still win tonight's Super Bowl!

//

28 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:20:12pm

Giants' punting game has been awesome today.

29 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:20:18pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Ron Paul can still win tonight's Super Bowl!

//

What position and on what team is he playing on?

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30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:20:43pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Ron Paul can still win tonight's Super Bowl!

//

I'd just settled for having him punted.

/

31 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:21:09pm

re: #29 talon_262

What position and on what team is he playing on?

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Offensive whineman.

32 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:21:43pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Ron Paul can still win tonight's Super Bowl!

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Not if the goal posts get moved.

33 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:21:48pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I'd just settled for having him punted.

/

4 hours after tonight's game Newt Gingrich will be out there all alone in the field saying "come on we can do this!"

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34 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:22:38pm

re: #24 negativ

Did we watch the same commercial? Because I didn't get the same vibe you did, apparently...

35 Kragar  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:25:34pm

Is the nonsense over yet?

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:26:23pm

re: #26 talon_262

I thought it was interesting that the only time we heard Eminem's voice over on that commercial was in the Super Bowl. Personally? I thought it was a wonderful commercial with him narrating.

37 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:26:37pm

@Gus_802 Gus
@BadAstronomer What would be the Max Q of a football?

;)

38 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:27:13pm

If the Giants keep getting hurt at this rate the Pats will have no one to play against the last couple of minutes.

39 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:28:18pm

re: #38 b_sharp

If the Giants keep getting hurt at this rate the Pats will have no one to play against the last couple of minutes.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they still found a way to win.

40 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:28:47pm

re: #39 BongCrodny

And it wouldn't surprise me if they still found a way to win.

We've got no one left..... SEND IN THE WATERBOY!

41 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:29:00pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is the nonsense over yet?

Commie.

//

42 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:29:13pm

re: #39 BongCrodny

And it wouldn't surprise me if they still found a way to win.

The mascot?

43 Olsonist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:29:30pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

We've got no one left... SEND IN THE WATERBOY!

Newt. Suit up. The team needs you.

44 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:30:01pm

re: #25 ProLifeLiberal

I know, I just don't like seeing Red States get jobs from Blue States.

Yeah, but if you have to pick a place to build a factory, Arlington makes more sense than Detroit does now. Arlington's an interesting place. It's kinda half sketchy, half upscale, with the Cowboy and Ranger stadiums and a six flags smack in the middle of it.

45 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:30:25pm

Giants only need a field goal to win, so it's still wide open.

46 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:30:27pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is the nonsense over yet?

The half-time "entertainment?"

47 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:32:53pm

The lip-syncing thing is really annoying. I was watching America's Got Talent with my kids, with lots of live performances by amateurs, and then they had one of their "big star" segments, and the dude was obviously lip-syncing. For one song. I think it was Jason Derullo or somebody.

48 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:33:17pm

If the Patriots had a couple defenders that could stop the pass...

49 Kragar  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:33:30pm

re: #46 funky chicken

The half-time "entertainment?"

I meant the whole deal.

50 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:33:36pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

We've got no one left... SEND IN THE WATERBOY!

Bobby Boucher?

51 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:34:09pm

Nice catch.

52 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:35:04pm

re: #51 funky chicken

Nice catch.

That's the kind of catch the Pats needed just a minute ago.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:35:14pm

re: #50 talon_262

Bobby Boucher?

Foolsball is of the debbil!

54 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:35:43pm
55 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:36:25pm

re: #51 funky chicken

Nice catch.

And it survives the challenge!

56 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:37:11pm

If only the Chrysler products could live up to the quality of their new found spokesman.

57 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:37:17pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Foolsball is of the debbil!

Football leads to violence and endless wars.

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58 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:37:57pm

Defense!

59 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:38:06pm

Hut!

60 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:38:15pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Football leads to violence and endless wars.

//

Another reason to rename our version "handegg" and get some brand separation from the version that breeds violence and thuggery.
//

61 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:38:30pm

18-17.

62 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:38:39pm

Ooooo. It's gonna be a kicking battle for the win. My son's a kicker. He's supporting the Patsies though. Hmmm.

63 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:38:52pm

Patriots would be better off to give up the TD and then hope they can go down and score.

64 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:39:52pm

A 38 yarder was the longest of the game?

I have trouble watching the American game, the CFL games are much more open and I'm used to seeing more running and longer throws. The 4 downs is weird too.

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:39:57pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Don't think like that, PLL. Letting those controls fall away is more likely to earn you academic and career failure, or even time behind bars.

PLL, it's like the song says: "You gotta keep the devil, way down in the hole!"

66 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:43:41pm

re: #63 BongCrodny

Patriots would be better off to give up the TD and then hope they can go down and score.

Words Eaten.

67 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:44:09pm

LOL.

68 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:44:29pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but no defense will do that.

That's exactly what they just did.

69 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:44:39pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Eh. Arlington also has a Planned Parenthood clinic, with a pretty large sign...I was surprised when I saw it. I'd guess Arlington is a blue/purple area. I could be wrong about that, of course. I tend to not discuss politics much, especially when I'm just visiting an area.

I did see a nice SUV in a grocery store parking lot today, with 3 bumper stickers--one said "no farms, no food," one said "Obama 2012," and one said "ACLU." Interesting combo for here in super-red Oklahoma.

70 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:45:22pm

Ooh....they FINALLY stopped a play.

71 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:45:26pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Aspergers, in my experience, doesn't make you more vindictive. You seem to tend to ascribe things to Aspergers that I've never seen classified as part of it before. Sure, there's a lack of empathy, but how does that relate to the kind of stupid group blame you like to engage in?

72 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:45:46pm

Oh. No kick, and Giants are gonna win. The boy wants to be picked up from the party he's at. See you later :-).

73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:46:35pm

re: #70 BongCrodny

Ooh...they FINALLY stopped a play.

Yea. A meaningless 2-pt conversion attempt.

74 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:46:46pm

re: #71 Obdicut

In fact, the desire to see others suffer is actually a form of empathy, albeit a maladaptive one.

75 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:47:17pm

57 seconds, I don't think so. Not against the Giants' defense.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:47:50pm

re: #74 Obdicut

In fact, the desire to see others suffer is actually a form of empathy, albeit a maladaptive one.

It rather reminds me of the Dark Side of the Force in that way.

77 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:48:33pm

Maybe get a couple guys that can hang on to passes next year.

78 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:49:17pm

PAT-hetic.

79 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:49:34pm

Two drops and a sack. No chance for the Patriots now.

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:49:43pm

And Brady is sacked!

81 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:49:54pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

It rather reminds me of the Dark Side of the Force in that way.

My friend Jacoby always comes to mind in discussion like this. He has no compassion whatsoever for other human beings. You could torture someone to death in front of him and he'd just be annoyed at all the noise. But he doesn't have any desire for anyone else to suffer-- he can't even recognize it when he sees it, so how could he?

82 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:51:00pm

But Brady still hangs on to make the next play. No quit in that man.

83 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:51:11pm

10 yard dinks are not going to get the job done with less than a minute left.

84 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:51:27pm

Bipartisan message for unity to overcome tough problems?
Shit on Republicans!
/win

85 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:52:01pm

I think the Giants were happy to trade 5 yards for 9 seconds right there.

86 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:52:20pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Bipartisan message for unity to overcome tough problems?

Are you talking about the Chrysler commercial?

87 BongGhazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:52:41pm

No complaints about the Giants winning; they just played better than the Pats did with the game on the line.

88 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:53:15pm

What's wrong with having 12 men on the field?

For those that don't know, the CFL uses 12 men on the field.

89 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:53:24pm

re: #86 freetoken

The commercial. It was a bit cheesy but I thought it was nice.

90 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:53:32pm

And now the screaming starts outside my window.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:53:35pm

re: #81 Obdicut

My friend Jacoby always comes to mind in discussion like this. He has no compassion whatsoever for other human beings. You could torture someone to death in front of him and he'd just be annoyed at all the noise. But he doesn't have any desire for anyone else to suffer-- he can't even recognize it when he sees it, so how could he?

How can a man such as that be a friend at all? I mean no disrespect, but I find the question needing to be asked.

92 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:53:53pm

Parade in New Jersey!
/

93 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:53:56pm

That's all folks! The Giants win.

94 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:54:34pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

The commercial. It was a bit cheesy but I thought it was nice.

I'm rather cynical (and critical) about it... but I didn't want to rain on the parade...

95 EdDantes  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:54:42pm

Giants win! Giants win! Giants win! Giants win!

96 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:55:02pm

Back in 2008 the Riders (my team) lost the Grey Cup on the second last play of the game by having too many men on the field. Had they had only 12 men that would have been the last play of the game and they would have won.

97 b_snark  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:55:26pm

re: #95 EdDantes

Giants win! Giants win! Giants win! Giants win!

Who won?

98 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:55:40pm

re: #94 freetoken

I'm rather cynical (and critical) about it... but I didn't want to rain on the parade...

I'm a little more worried about Clint's voice. I hope everything's ok.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:55:42pm

And a second well-earned Super Bowl ring for Eli Manning. An incredible effort by the whole Giants team.

100 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:56:43pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Isn't rather characteristic of a male voice to go like that as one get's old, and Clint is definitely moving in the "old" category, which these days is older than it used to be.

101 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:57:26pm

Awesome 4th quarter!

102 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:57:40pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Alot might be just bitterness and getting stuck in ways.

Earlier in life, I got convinced there was a culture war between Liberals and Conservatives. I also believe my side must win.

Various events since then compounded this view, with the Norway Terror Attack being particularly destabilizing. I remember for 2-3 months after the attack, I was venting at various Republicans on campus, calling them Terrorists and the like for it.

Of course, this attitude does have advantages. I am just as nasty against Salafists. In fact, after the first Boko Haram attack, I FB messaged the MSA President an article on it, with my attached statement being "I'm guessing you are happy about this." He said he was offended by that attack, and said he rejected my statement. I can see through him though. And I'm going to be bringing the Imam into this now, after his little spiel on FB.

103 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:58:06pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

How can a man such as that be a friend at all? I mean no disrespect, but I find the question needing to be asked.

Two reasons:

1. Recognizing what he is, he committed himself to a (quite toney) 'sanitarium' after he realized that if he stayed in the general population he'd wind up murdering people-- not out of rage, but because they were in his way or had annoyed him. So, he was able to intellectually empathize, to intellectually come to the conclusion that he didn't have the right to murder others, but also realize that his mental state wouldn't stop him from doing so if he perceived them as enough of a barrier.

2. He's very helpful. He's a materials and systems engineer and if I email him a question, I get a very exhaustive reply, and he likes the questions I bring to him. So that's most of our friendship-- a 'working' friendship, so to speak. He was in my physics lab at college, that's how we met.

I may actually go back to school, if I'm able to gin up enough income, to go into engineering-- even though I'll be very, very old-- so that I can work with him.

Short version: He doesn't mean any harm, and has more self-awareness than the average bear.

104 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:59:09pm

re: #102 ProLifeLiberal

I remember for 2-3 months after the attack, I was venting at various Republicans on campus, calling them Terrorists and the like for it.

Why can't you stop yourself from doing stupid, harmful shit like that?

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:01:30pm

re: #63 BongCrodny

Good call, there. Exactly what happened.

106 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:03:48pm

OK. Game's over. Time to get cereal again.

//

107 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:04:16pm

re: #106 Gus 802

How quaker of you.

108 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:04:38pm

re: #107 freetoken

How quaker of you.

*shakes head*

109 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:04:53pm

re: #107 freetoken

How quaker of you.

I'll get my Shaker.

110 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:05:11pm

re: #109 Gus 802

I'll get my Shaker.

Are Friends coming over?

111 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:05:32pm

re: #104 Obdicut

Looking back, I'm not sure. I'm going to venture a guess and say that it was because of all the little (and big) things that connected me to Norway and the attack. Then the Manifesto gave me a vent for my anger about what happened.

Back then, the Muslim Liberals I knew said I had become much crueler at the time. While I regret it now, at the time, I was blinded by a horrific amount of anger.

I imagine this is what people felt after 9/11. I wouldn't now: The 9/11 happened in Middle School, my main teacher wouldn't allow us to see the TV. I don't know why. My class was the only one in the school to not see it. I wouldn't see the footage from that day unmodified until 9/11/2010, on MSNBC.

112 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:05:36pm

re: #109 Gus 802

They're the salt of the Earth, don'tcha know?

113 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:05:49pm

re: #110 Obdicut

Are Friends coming over?

I'm all Amish.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:06:59pm

How much does Tom Brady hate all things Manning?

115 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:07:56pm

Amiss...Amish...d'oh!

116 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:08:32pm

re: #111 ProLifeLiberal

Why can't you stop yourself from stupidly ranting at people in a counterproductive way, though?

Sure, you were angry, fine, whatever. But that doesn't equate to lack of self-control.

Are you in therapy? You really need it. Trying to use a blog forum for psychiatric advice is about as good as using it for legal advice. Get a real professional to have a crack at your melon.

117 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:08:47pm

re: #112 freetoken

They're the salt of the Earth, don'tcha know?

You know...morons.

/Blazing Saddles

118 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:10:53pm

Nice day for the Giants' coach. I remember hearing chatter that he was gonna get fired at the end of this season.

119 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:10:56pm

re: #116 Obdicut

I say invest in gold.

120 EdDantes  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:11:01pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How much does Tom Brady hate all things Manning?

He must think, " Damn, another Manning."

121 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:11:55pm

re: #116 Obdicut

I admit to also having self-control issues when speaking out, if that makes sense.

I'm already doing weekly visits with the Therapist in the Disability Resource Center. And talking with the Imam in OKC. He is fairly useful in regards to Norway. The Imam is half Lebanese, half Palestinian.

122 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:12:34pm

re: #119 Varek Raith

I say invest in gold.

It's probably a better bet than Greek bonds:


Greece takes step closer to default

Lucas Papademos, the Greek premier, failed to make party leaders accept harsh terms in return for a second €130bn bail-out, pushing Athens closer to a disorderly default as early as next month.

Greek television reported that Mr Papademos has set a deadline of midday on Monday for the three leaders to let him know whether they agree in principle with the proposed austerity measures, before he meets them again later in the day.

After five hours of discussions, the three leaders of Greece's national unity government had not accepted demands by international lenders for immediate deep spending cuts and labour market reforms as part of a new medium-term package.

[...]

123 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:15:01pm

re: #121 ProLifeLiberal

You might want to talk to someone beyond the disability dude. If you're at a university, there's should be more resources available for you. Seek 'em out.

Even on a purely practical level, if your goal is for your 'side' to 'win', then acting like an asshole ranting at people about them being terrorists is completely counterproductive.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:15:27pm

re: #120 EdDantes

He must think, " Damn, another Manning."

Tom paid for Archie's vasectomy... last week.

125 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:18:32pm

re: #123 Obdicut

The Therapist on campus is also related to the Counseling Center.

126 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:20:22pm

re: #125 ProLifeLiberal

Well, keep at it. Remember the most important part is to actually want to change. Without that, you're not gonna.

127 Charleston Chew  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:21:00pm

Informal poll: What products or services will you be purchasing in the near future because of the ads you saw today?

My answer: None.

128 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:21:38pm

re: #127 Charleston Chew

Informal poll: What products or services will you be purchasing in the near future because of the ads you saw today?

My answer: None.

I will continue to live in Detroit.

129 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:22:04pm

re: #121 ProLifeLiberal

I admit to also having self-control issues when speaking out, if that makes sense.

I'm already doing weekly visits with the Therapist in the Disability Resource Center. And talking with the Imam in OKC. He is fairly useful in regards to Norway. The Imam is half Lebanese, half Palestinian.

Maybe consider spending some time with another therapist, one who is less focused on approaching your issues from a specialized disability or religious standpoint. One of the things I've noticed is that you tend to pigeonhole yourself unnecessarily at times, and maybe don't realize that some of the problems you deal with are ubiquitous to young men in general.

Your university has a counseling psychology clinic that operates on a sliding scale.

130 Kragar  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:22:29pm

re: #127 Charleston Chew

Informal poll: What products or services will you be purchasing in the near future because of the ads you saw today?

My answer: None.

I didn't see any ads today.

131 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:23:34pm

re: #128 Alouette

I will continue to live in Detroit.

Brrrr! :-)

132 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:23:34pm

Clint is, as ever, awesome!

133 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:23:44pm

Bogie at 6 o'clock.

134 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:24:02pm

re: #132 Floral Giraffe

Clint is, as ever, awesome!

Oh geez, fangirls.
/

135 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:24:22pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Bogie at 6 o'clock.

My watch says 10:24...

136 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:24:26pm

re: #127 Charleston Chew

Informal poll: What products or services will you be purchasing in the near future because of the ads you saw today?

My answer: None.

I'm going to purchase Detroit tomorrow, seems like a good deal.

137 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:24:56pm

re: #127 Charleston Chew

Informal poll: What products or services will you be purchasing in the near future because of the ads you saw today?

My answer: None.

I like M&Ms and beer. I'm not sure if the commercials change anything though. And I don't usually consume them together. Just saying.

138 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:00pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

My watch says 10:24...

Copy. Check your 6.

139 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:30pm

New reg. First comment.

140 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:31pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I didn't see any ads today.

I don't watch TV but the internets tell me that hot horny chicks in my area want to meet me.

141 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:33pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Copy. Check your 6.

Oh geez.

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:35pm

re: #137 funky chicken

I like M&Ms and beer. I'm not sure if the commercials change anything though. And I don't usually consume them together. Just saying.

What a surprise. I've never eaten the two together, either.

143 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:48pm

A follow up to a story I linked a couple of days ago:


Our View: Kiel School Board took high road

The Kiel School Board chose the reasonable course last week in declining to change its method of teaching about the origins of human life.

District resident Patty Kubetz wants the school district to include in freshman science classes a statement she crafted, explaining that evolution is but one theory of how we came to be.

The relative merits of evolution, creationism, intelligent design and other theories [gahhh] about life's origins have been topics of heated debate for centuries. All have their adherents and all have their detractors.

It is encouraging that the Kiel School Board accepted Kubetz's request for discussion of the topic. It could have skirted a difficult topic by issuing her a "thanks, but no thanks" letter, or cited the fact that she's married to School Board member Randy Kubetz as a potential conflict of interest.

The board instead took the high road, listened to an hour of spirited discussion and decided to keep things just as they are.

That may not sit well with people — and there are many — who'd like to see public schools weaned off the diet that feeds only evolution. They would settle for students being offered even a sampling of other offerings. Patty Kubetz calls it a matter of "balance."

Those who believe in creationism or intelligent design should not view the board's decision as a defeat, however. Closer analysis of the discussion that preceded it shows that at least one Kiel science teacher leaves the door open to students to talk about alternatives to evolution.

A former student agreed, saying there was ample opportunity given to discuss evolution and its alternative theories.

Kubetz insists she did not seek to change the Kiel curriculum by replacing evolution with creationism. She wouldn't mind if that happened, but only wanted a short statement read to freshmen students about potential alternatives to evolution.

Kubetz has probably achieved her aim by raising the issue in a professional manner that produced a public airing. High school students are curious about many things, particularly what some would consider esoteric topics like where we came from.

Students in Kiel have heard about the "flap" before the School Board and likely now are engaged in discussing the topic, exactly the awareness Kubetz hoped to create.

For its part, the School Board did the right thing. Overturning this apple cart could bring costly legal challenges from groups like the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which no school district needs in a time of tight budgets.

We applaud all involved in this situation for raising awareness of the issue while keeping in mind the best interests of those living within the school district.

So, the school board made the right decision because otherwise the district would find itself in a costly legal battle, eh?

Again I say... gahhh.

144 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:25:57pm

The Voice. They said Christina Aguilera is considered "one of the best voices of all time." Um, not so much.

145 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:26:01pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

I don't watch TV but the internets tell me that hot horny chicks in my area want to meet me.

They're Nigerian Princes.

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:27:03pm

re: #144 funky chicken

The Voice. They said Christina Aguilera is considered "one of the best voices of all time." Um, not so much.

Just ask Christina.

147 Charleston Chew  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:27:07pm

re: #144 funky chicken

The Voice. They said Christina Aguilera is considered "one of the best voices of all time." Um, not so much.

The key phrase is "one of". We're all on that list somewhere. Just depends on where the cut-off is.

148 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:27:42pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

Oh geez, fangirls.
/

You're asking for a spanking, there, buddy...

149 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:27:45pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

They're Nigerian Princes.

Awesome! The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice. Good thing I already sent them me credit card and social security numbers.

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:27:54pm

re: #147 Charleston Chew

The key phrase is "one of". We're all on that list somewhere. Just depends on where the cut-off is.

I'm in the bottom 10%. Keeping Mitt company.

151 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:27:58pm

re: #147 Charleston Chew

The key phrase is "one of". We're all on that list somewhere. Just depends on where the cut-off is.

I'm at #7,845,672,901.

Where are you?

152 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:28:29pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

I'm going to purchase Detroit tomorrow, seems like a good deal.

Just don't finance it...

153 Charleston Chew  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:29:11pm

re: #151 freetoken

I'm at #7,845,672,901.

Where are you?

I'm number 3, but only because all the numbers on the meter rolled over.

154 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:30:20pm

re: #152 Floral Giraffe

Just don't finance it...

I'm making a lowball offer and will pay in my usual currency - chickens stuffed with ammunition.

155 Kragar  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:30:20pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

I don't watch TV but the internets tell me that hot horny chicks in my area want to meet me.

Small world.

156 EdDantes  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:30:22pm

Nite all.

157 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:35:04pm
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Ooops.

158 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:36:06pm

re: #143 freetoken

A follow up to a story I linked a couple of days ago:

Our View: Kiel School Board took high road

So, the school board made the right decision because otherwise the district would find itself in a costly legal battle, eh?

Again I say... gahhh.

This choice quote galls me:

Kubetz insists she did not seek to change the Kiel curriculum by replacing evolution with creationism. She wouldn't mind if that happened, but only wanted a short statement read to freshmen students about potential alternatives to evolution.

I bet she would...

159 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:36:08pm

re: #143 freetoken

It would be so simple to put all this crap to rest (probably not) if English teachers would spend a few minutes explaining the different meanings of "theory" in different contexts.

Perhaps some teachers could even volunteer time to teach vocabulary to members of congress as well.

160 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:36:09pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Ooops.

I wonder why that happened?

//

161 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:36:34pm

If no ones done it yet can someone check out and either page or highlight the racist garbage Pete Hoekstra put out as an ad in Michigan during the Superbowl against Debbie Stabinow.

Featured GD awful chinese stereotypes.

162 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:36:52pm

If no ones done it yet can someone check out and either page or highlight the racist garbage Pete Hoekstra put out as an ad in Michigan during the Superbowl against Debbie Stabinow.

Featured GD awful chinese stereotypes.

163 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:37:07pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Awesome! The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice. Good thing I already sent them me credit card and social security numbers.

Been watching Friday here lately, haven't you?

///

164 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:37:28pm

What a Great SuperBowl! It's been 24/7 here this week..After the game at the moose and having now watched all the highlights.. What a game.. There really was so much luck tonight..A bounce of the ball could have changed everything..I'm really happy the Pats lost..There is nothing so sweet for a Colts fan.. Congrads Eli!

165 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:38:48pm

Now, after it looks pretty clear that Romney has the nomination sewn up, I see that Ed Morrissey takes the brave step and endorses as his own candidate... Rick Santorum!

His reasoning (or rather, blog excuse ) is the ABR tact.

Nothing quite like being a day late and a dollar short, eh?

166 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:39:50pm

re: #165 freetoken

Now, after it looks pretty clear that Romney has the nomination sewn up, I see that Ed Morrissey takes the brave step and endorses as his own candidate... Rick Santorum!

His reasoning (or rather, blog excuse ) is the ABR tact.

Nothing quite like being a day late and a dollar short, eh?

I AM ONE FRY SHORT OF A SIX PACK!
...
Wait...

167 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:39:56pm

Well, I'm asking a person I mentioned earlier if their relationship status on FB is still correct, or if they found someone and just haven't made it FB official.

Right now, this is a massive stressor.

On one hand, she has a personality that helps smooth off my rough edges, and is very helpful to me socially and is very sweet. Also, she doesn't mind me being cutesy.

On the other hand, she has also been a close friend of mine for about 6-7 years, and I don't want to lose such a dear friend.

In essence, I am a boat with two propellers. One of them is full speed ahead, the other is Full Speed Reverse. As a result, I am spinning in place.

168 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:40:12pm

re: #159 Naso Tang

They don't care. The only reason creationists use the word "theory" is that they've been told that is the magick password onto the curriculum.

169 jaunte  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:40:23pm

Albert Brooks @AlbertBrooks
You never watch pro football and think, "I could do better than that."

170 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:40:44pm

I wonder how Pamela will spin this one? Prolly something about taquitos:

Muslim clerics in Canada issued a fatwa on Saturday against honour killings, domestic violence and hatred of women.

“These crimes are major sins in Islam, punishable by the court of law and almighty Allah,” said Prof. Imam Syed Soharwardy, representing 34 clerics affiliated with the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada.

171 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:41:11pm

Hard not to love Clint. His character in Gran Torino really reminded me a lot of my late grandfather. Great SB

172 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:43:05pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Hard not to love Clint. His character in Gran Torino really reminded me a lot of my late grandfather. Great SB

People confuse Eastwood with Dirty Harry. Dirty Harry didn't make Bird.

173 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:43:09pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Best portrayal of the Hmong in mainstream cinema, too.

I think also the only portrayal of the Hmong.

174 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:44:36pm

re: #167 ProLifeLiberal

Well, I'm asking a person I mentioned earlier if their relationship status on FB is still correct, or if they found someone and just haven't made it FB official.

Right now, this is a massive stressor.

Call.her.up.and.ask.her.out! Being nervous and awkward is okay as long as you own it and admit to it openly. Asking her if her FB status is real is not getting to the point, get to the goddamned point.

175 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:44:46pm

re: #168 freetoken

They don't care. The only reason creationists use the word "theory" is that they've been told that is the magick password onto the curriculum.

Cynicism aside, I am really quite serious, since it seems that there are so many people who simply haven't a clue about the meaning of the word (and probably other words too).

But really, had they been given some decent instruction in school, at the very least they would be inventing other arguments than "it's only a theory".

176 jaunte  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:45:49pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

I think I saw that scene in Gran Torino.

177 Lidane  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:46:18pm

re: #165 freetoken

Nothing quite like being a day late and a dollar short, eh?

That's Ed in a nutshell.

178 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:46:52pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

And your point is...
LOL!

179 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:47:13pm

re: #173 Obdicut

Best portrayal of the Hmong in mainstream cinema, too.

I think also the only portrayal of the Hmong.

Yep that too. Honestly I loved his response when asked about gay marriage. Believe he said who gives a shit. Simple but to the point.

180 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:48:17pm

re: #176 jaunte

I think I saw that scene in Gran Torino.

This is what I meant earlier about shit almost all young men go through. Dancing around the issue is not a winning strategy and timidity is rarely an asset.

Carpe fucking diem!

181 sagehen  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:50:18pm

re: #111 ProLifeLiberal

I imagine this is what people felt after 9/11. I wouldn't now: The 9/11 happened in Middle School, my main teacher wouldn't allow us to see the TV. I don't know why. My class was the only one in the school to not see it. I wouldn't see the footage from that day unmodified until 9/11/2010, on MSNBC.

You still haven't seen it unmodified.

It took 5-10 minutes for the network editors to realize they were showing live people jumping out of buildings and falling dozens of floors before leaving the frame, in some cases the camera panned down to follow the fall, and some of the microphones were sensitive enough to catch the sounds they made when they hit.

Adjustments were made, and that footage has never been rebroadcast.

182 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:51:25pm

re: #181 sagehen

And, for some of us, the scars of seeing that, have never, and can not be erased.

183 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:52:03pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

People confuse Eastwood with Dirty Harry. Dirty Harry didn't make Bird.

The RWNJs really want to believe that Eastwood the Actor/Politician/Private Citizen was and is like the hardasses he's played on film. I think he is, to some extent, but not like the RWNJs do/did.

Sweet wingnut tears of disappointment are delicious.

184 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:53:03pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Hard not to love Clint. His character in Gran Torino really reminded me a lot of my late grandfather. Great SB

I really trashed GT with my review here..I mean I gave Clint Hell..Pissed people off..I used to do a weekly LGF Saturday morning movie review.
I thought the movie was cartoonish on every level.. But this was after his genius of the Million Dollar Baby which I thought was just pure genius..I love that movie..I thought it was perfect for him..
A few years later I rewatched GT and really have found it is a good movie..I really enjoyed it.. My first review was wrong looking back

185 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:55:30pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

I really trashed GT with my review here..I mean I gave Clint Hell..Pissed people off..I used to do a weekly LGF Saturday morning movie review.
I thought the movie was cartoonish on every level.. But this was after his genius of the Million Dollar Baby which I thought was just pure genius..I love that movie..I thought it was perfect for him..
A few years later I rewatched GT and really have found it is a good movie..I really enjoyed it.. My first review was wrong looking back

Unforgiven is still one of the best Westerns ever, IMO. Having Gene Hackman and Morgan Freeman onboard was pure gravy.

186 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:56:21pm

The real Clint Eastwood is highly inconvenient to right wing nutjobs:

I was an Eisenhower Republican when I started out at 21, because he promised to get us out of the Korean War. And over the years, I realized there was a Republican philosophy that I liked. And then they lost it. And libertarians had more of it. Because what I really believe is, Let's spend a little more time leaving everybody alone. These people who are making a big deal out of gay marriage? I don't give a fuck about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We're making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of.

187 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:56:35pm

re: #185 talon_262

Unforgiven is still one of the best Westerns ever, IMO.

I agree a 100%. I could watch that western any time

188 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:57:03pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

The real Clint Eastwood is highly inconvenient to right wing nutjobs:

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

189 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:57:08pm

re: #185 talon_262

Unforgiven is still one of the best Westerns ever, IMO.

One of the few that really follows in the tradition of John Ford.

190 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:57:40pm

Dirty Harry was never really a wingnut though. He was pretty hip. Listened to jazz and all that.

191 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:57:45pm

re: #188 Gus 802

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

You know, a man's gotta know his limitations...

192 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:57:56pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

It is a bit more complicated than that. Dating not allowed with me, which makes it awkward. Also, I'm in a different state.

193 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:59:55pm

re: #190 Gus 802

Dirty Harry was never really a wingnut though. He was pretty hip. Listened to jazz and all that.

The RWNJs never saw that far into that character; all I'm sure they ever cared about was that he blew people away with a .44 Magnum.

194 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:59:59pm

re: #181 sagehen

Again, this is why Katrina and Norway had much more impact on me. I saw most or all of it in real time.

I remember that Radio People on 99.9 in COS right before Katrina were making a joke about over-coverage of Katrina. That stopped pretty quickly, and they were gone within the year.

195 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:00:37pm

But if you read through some of the comments in the Youtube video clip of Dirty Harry movies it's crawling with derpy wingnut comments. Liberals this. Liberals that.

196 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:06:15pm

re: #192 ProLifeLiberal

CuriousLurker explained it:

Disclaimer: This is only my opinion based on my imperfect knowledge. To get a more Islamically sound, definitive answer, you should seek out an trusted imam in your area who can counsel you personally.

---

Dating isn't necessarily forbidden, per se. What's forbidden is being alone with a woman (like in a room, just the two of you, with the door shut) or having sexual contact with her.

That said, there's what's practical and what's practicable for American Muslims. We don't usually have the extended family or community ties that exist in other places where Islam is practiced.

I don't see why you shouldn't be able to go out in public with her, either just the two of you or in a group. Nothing wrong or un-Islamic about that, IMO, as long as you behave yourselves.

But—and this is a big BUT—if you're going to do that it should be with the purpose of getting to know her as a potential wife, not just to date for the sake of dating. Neither one of you should see anyone else while you're seeing each other as hearts are involved and feelings could get hurt on both sides—i.e. it's something you need to approach with seriousness & respect (for her and yourself).

If you're not emotionally or financially ready for that level of seriousness, then you need to step back until you are.

Also, I killed the thread. Do I get a medal?

197 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:09:17pm

re: #192 ProLifeLiberal

It is a bit more complicated than that. Dating not allowed with me, which makes it awkward. Also, I'm in a different state.

I assure you that you are allowed to date. If this is another self-imposed rule then either ditch it or come to terms with it and stop prying. On some level you're clearly aware that you're sending mixed signals to your own brain and being awkward as hell about things with this woman, which is why this is become a massive stressor for you. Know your boundaries, if you don't have an actionable interest in pursuing a relationship with this woman then her relationship status is of no genuine concern to you.

198 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:10:54pm

re: #196 ProLifeLiberal

I should also admit that a Huge part of this is fear.

I know for a fact based on things I have read that those with Asperger's have a harder time getting any sort of relationships, and that being this way is inherently unattractive. (Yes, I am harsh on myself) There are very few people I would be compatible with.

So, since I noticed this person may very well have that rare, beautiful sort of personality, I feel I must do something, or I may miss what could be my only chance. That is my mindset.

199 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:12:09pm

re: #198 ProLifeLiberal

Nah, no one is EVER your ONLY chance.
Please believe that!

200 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:13:34pm

re: #199 Floral Giraffe

Nah, no one is EVER your ONLY chance.
Please believe that!

And sometimes your first choice turns out to be the wrong choice.

201 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:16:18pm

re: #198 ProLifeLiberal

Is she a muslim?

I'm not sure it matters, but since so many of your rules are self imposed then knowing what her rules structure looks like might be instructive. Anyway, since she's in another state there' nothing in your rules that precludes honestly communicating your interest. It's fear that's keeping you from doing that, and fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

202 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:16:18pm

re: #196 ProLifeLiberal

Disclaimer: This is only my opinion based on my imperfect knowledge. To get a more Islamically sound, definitive answer, you should seek out an trusted imam in your area who can counsel you personally.

---

Dating isn't necessarily forbidden, per se. What's forbidden is being alone with a woman (like in a room, just the two of you, with the door shut) or having sexual contact with her.
You know I love CL and I think she can offer you alot of advice on being new to the Muslim Faith.
But I never got the above quote...
I have always felt comfortable being alone with a woman with the door shut. I would hope I could develop that trust with people. But I understand the whole concept with an old religion.

203 sagehen  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:20:14pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

I never got the above quote...
I have always felt comfortable being alone with a woman with the door shut. I would hope I could develop that trust with people. But I understand the whole concept with an old religion.

Because it's not only about what might happen when you're alone with the door shut -- it's what ignorant third parties might assume happened, or what a spiteful third party might claim happened.

204 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:21:30pm

re: #199 Floral Giraffe

I would like to believe that, but I have seen all sorts of bad stories, such as on Wrong Planet.

I actually used to be on Wrong Planet. I left because the negativity on that issue was bringing me down and, to put it simply, I give myself enough of a hard time.

I should also mention there is a history of Bipolar in my family, and that Autism and Bipolar may be related. (3 Cases (myself, Dad, and Grandfather) of Aspergers, and 2 cases of Bipolar (Dad's Brother and a Half-Second Cousin(or similar)) All on my dad's side, emanating from the my Norwegian Great-Grandmother. She divorced my Great-Grandfather, and remarried, hence the the Half-Second Cousin

205 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:21:37pm

re: #198 ProLifeLiberal

OK, my favorite quote from one of my dating books ( Yes, I have been reading dating books. You stalkers could learn things from books, I'm just saying!)
"There is a pot for every lid".

206 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:22:19pm

The mating rituals of humans both confuses and infuriates me.

207 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:22:23pm

re: #196 ProLifeLiberal

CuriousLurker explained it:

Also, I killed the thread. Do I get a medal?

Another piece of advice on dating: choose activities in which the two of you talk. This rules out movies, but leaves, say, bowling.

208 simoom  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:22:55pm

Three Stooges:

@michellemalkin
Michelle Malkin
Agh. WTH? Did I just see Clint Eastwood fronting an auto bailout ad??? #SuperBowl
3 hours ago via TweetDeck

@DavidLimbaugh
David Limbaugh
FWIW, I think Clint Eastwood's credentials as a conservative have been overrated for some time.
2 hours ago via TweetDeck

@secupp
S.E. Cupp
If it's halftime in America, I'm not sure Clint's going to live to see the fourth quarter.
2 hours ago via web

209 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:23:02pm

re: #206 Varek Raith

The mating rituals of humans both angers and infuriates me.

Watch Japanese kabuki theater. This will help explain things.

210 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:23:26pm

re: #204 ProLifeLiberal

THERE IS A POT FOR EVERY LID.
Bangs on PLL to make this sink in...

211 Gus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:23:29pm

re: #208 simoom

Three Stooges:

Bunch of losers.

212 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:24:08pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Hey, you doing OK? Send me a mail sometime...

213 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:24:10pm

re: #208 simoom

Three Stooges:

Der, Derp and Derpy to the rescue!

214 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:24:15pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

Another piece of advice on dating: choose activities in which the two of you talk. This rules out movies, but leaves, say, bowling.

Also, tenkara fishing.

Just sayin'.

215 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:25:05pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

No, she is Conservative Catholic. Though she tends to be more open-minded than me on things. She was the one voice top dissent on the issue of the MSA President, with her view being if he isn't outright promoting violence, I ought not to intervene. I admit I am probably more authoritarian in politics than her.

re: #202 HoosierHoops

I can see why the rule exists. I've seen real nasty things said about two people who were doing things. Besides, I've heard of Croatian-Bosnian Relationships. And others of similar type.

216 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:25:40pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

Also, tenkara fishing.

Just sayin'.

This works for you???
/

217 jaunte  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:26:17pm

re: #208 simoom

In response, @EricBoehlert tweets:

dear conservative America: this is what it looks like to be on the wrong side of history; on.freep.com/xCsk3f #bailout

218 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:28:25pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

This works for you???
/

No, no, he meant you can't talk and do that.

The thing about dinnerandamovie is that the first half of the date you have food in your mouth and the second half you aren't supposed to be talking.

Doesn't leave a lot of time to get to know each other.

219 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:29:28pm

re: #218 EmmmieG

No, no, he meant you can't talk and do that.

The thing about dinnerandamovie is that the first half of the date you have food in your mouth and the second half you aren't supposed to be talking.

Doesn't leave a lot of time to get to know each other.

Ah, makes sense.

220 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:30:22pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

Not energetic enough.

Also, in the diagnosis for Asperger's I got in 8th grade, I got a number of co-morbid disorders. One of which was Dysgraphia, causing fine motor control issues.

I would be likely to have to go to the hospital is 10+ Flies stuck to me.

221 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:32:11pm

re: #220 ProLifeLiberal

Or, I would plausibly become the first ever fatality from Tenkara Fishing

222 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:33:14pm

re: #221 ProLifeLiberal

Or, I would plausibly become the first ever fatality from Tenkara Fishing

I got a hook stuck in my thumbnail once.
Fishing is for the birds.
;)

223 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:33:55pm

re: #222 Varek Raith

With my motor issues, I could probably do "better" than you on that. :P

224 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:35:03pm

re: #208 simoom

Three Stooges:

All of the wingers seem to think this was a pro-Obama ad. I must admit I did get a "morning in America" vibe and thought the words "Obama 2012" might appear at the end. I think the wingers are just guilty because they were against the auto bailout and have nothing to do with the industry's resurgence.

225 sagehen  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:40:09pm

The wingers are right, this *is* a pro-Obama ad, but with plausible deniability ("don't be silly, we're just talking about cars. Really."). And I'll bet Chrysler, the ad agency, and Eastwood all intended it that way.

226 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:42:25pm
227 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:42:55pm

re: #225 sagehen

The wingers are right, this *is* a pro-Obama ad, but with plausible deniability ("don't be silly, we're just talking about cars. Really."). And I'll bet Chrysler, the ad agency, and Eastwood all intended it that way.

I think this was also a shot across the Right's bow. Thanks to Citizens United pro-Obama corporations can also spend money to get him reelected. The auto industry knows who saved their asses and who wanted to "let them go bankrupt".

228 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:48:04pm

re: #227 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh, this could be an interesting election.

I'm personally curious if Norway will decide to get involved. The Republican Party was promoting the Ultra-Right Wing Progress party in that country. Then the attack happened, and now Norway covers the Republicans in the US in a nasty way (EX: They said Santorum winning Iowa was showing all the Republicans cared about was promoting hate in a fair number of the papers.)

I would be curious if the Norwegian Public will return the favor. If Norway does, this could be the nastiest election since Adams v. Jefferson (1800). Because Norway has and can play real dirty.

By Norway, I mean various organizations significant in the Country, such as Labor, and significant citizens in that country.

229 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:49:19pm

Time for bed.
Laters.

230 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:51:30pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, this could be an interesting election.

I'm personally curious if Norway will decide to get involved. The Republican Party was promoting the Ultra-Right Wing Progress party in that country. Then the attack happened, and now Norway covers the Republicans in the US in a nasty way (EX: They said Santorum winning Iowa was showing all the Republicans cared about was promoting hate.)

I would be curious if the Norwegian Public will return the favor. If Norway does, this could be the nastiest election since Adams v. Jefferson (1800). Because Norway has and can play real dirty.

I don't think foreign countries can participate. That is one limitation on the spending that I know of.

231 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:51:48pm

re: #224 moderatelyradicalliberal

All of the wingers seem to think this was a pro-Obama ad. I must admit I did get a "morning in America" vibe and thought the words "Obama 2012" might appear at the end. I think the wingers are just guilty because they were against the auto bailout and have nothing to do with the industry's resurgence.

Also, Romney actively trash talks the bailout today in a kind of deliberately obtuse denial. What he and the wingers refuse to recognize is the difference between Chapters 11 and 7. Romney's rhetoric is that GM and Chrysler could have come back leaner if they were allowed to fail. The fact is that there were no investors other than the US government willing to step in, and therefore they were facing Chapter 7, total liquidation and all assets sold at auction. The companies would have been utterly destroyed, the equipment sold off piecemeal to the highest bidder, and the ripple effects on the economy from the parts manufacturers and dealerships falling like dominos would have sent us into another great depression.

The entire Republican argument is founded on a deliberate ignorance as to the actual situation that was faced.

232 sagehen  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:52:45pm

re: #227 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think this was also a shot across the Right's bow. Thanks to Citizens United pro-Obama corporations can also spend money to get him reelected. The auto industry knows who saved their asses and who wanted to "let them go bankrupt".

And here's how the auto industry feels about the 99%:

It was the first time the Auburn Hills automaker has reported a full-year profit since 1997, and it exceeded the targets set by CEO Sergio Marchionne when Fiat SpA took over the company in 2009.

In fact, Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said all of Fiat's net income came from Chrysler in 2011.

"We're pleased with the results. It's been an exceptional year for Chrysler," Marchionne told analysts and reporters during a conference call Wednesday morning. "We've delivered on everything we told you."

Marchionne said Chrysler salaried and hourly workers will receive bonuses, but would not say how much they will be.

According to the formula agreed on by the company and the United Auto Workers last fall, each of Chrysler's 26,000 hourly employees should receive a check for more than $1,500.

233 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:55:17pm

re: #230 moderatelyradicalliberal

I looked.

They only ban contributions. Volunteering is considered okay. This could be a really dirty election in terms of Rhetoric if Norway decides to throw in.

Generally, an individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone. 11 CFR 100.74. The Commission has addressed applicability of this exemption to volunteer activity by a foreign national, as explained below.

In AO 1987-25, the Commission allowed a foreign national student to provide uncompensated volunteer services to a Presidential campaign. By contrast, the decision in AO 1981-51 prohibited a foreign national artist from donating his services in connection with fundraising for a Senate campaign.

234 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:57:19pm

re: #230 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't think foreign countries can participate. That is one limitation on the spending that I know of.

Though it's not like a foreign government would have much trouble getting a few shell corporations put together within or without a multinational corporation and then use that to fund a SuperPac.

Or maybe the Norwegian govt can just buy a bunch of stock in a media network and leverage that.

235 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:57:53pm

re: #233 ProLifeLiberal

I looked.

They only ban contributions. Volunteering is considered okay. This could be a really dirty election in terms of Rhetoric if Norway decides to throw in.

They're going to run a phone bank from Norway?

236 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:58:09pm

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

Also, Romney actively trash talks the bailout today in a kind of deliberately obtuse denial. What he and the wingers refuse to recognize is the difference between Chapters 11 and 7. Romney's rhetoric is that GM and Chrysler could have come back leaner if they were allowed to fail. The fact is that there were no investors other than the US government willing to step in, and therefore they were facing Chapter 7, total liquidation and all assets sold at auction. The companies would have been utterly destroyed, the equipment sold off piecemeal to the highest bidder, and the ripple effects on the economy from the parts manufacturers and dealerships falling like dominos would have sent us into another great depression.

The entire Republican argument is founded on a deliberate ignorance as to the actual situation that was faced.

(R)money thinks letting companies go bankrupt us a good idea because letting companies go bankrupt is how he made so much of his money at Bain. From his perspective bankruptcy is all good.

237 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:59:36pm

re: #234 oaktree

Or they can have various significant people "volunteer" without compensation.

That is a VERY wide gap in that law. And if they do exploit it, they have a chance of putting the Dakotas in play.

238 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:02:15pm

re: #235 EmmmieG

I could see getting speakers who are significant in stature in Norway coming over here. That is what I would prefer to see.

239 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:03:07pm

re: #238 ProLifeLiberal

I could see getting speakers who are significant in stature in Norway coming over here. That is what I would prefer to see.

Well, yes, but I doubt sending Norwegian teenagers door-to-door would be particularly cost-effective.

240 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:06:24pm

re: #239 EmmmieG

Wasn't planning on it. A few significant individuals would be the thing.

Frank Aarebrot is an example of what I speak. He got into a tangle with Glenn Beck right after the Terror Attack occurred.

Also, the former Prime Minister who was on Utoya just before the attack occurred.

241 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:08:41pm

The former Prime Minister in question is Gro Harlem Brundtland

242 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:12:08pm

I killed the thread again :(

243 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:14:22pm

re: #242 ProLifeLiberal

I killed the thread again :(

I'm currently actually signing up to volunteer at my daughter's band competition and simultaneously wondering what percentage of North Dakota is still tied to their Norwegian roots.

244 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:21:15pm

re: #243 EmmmieG

That's a decent question. There are some relatively active groups between the two nations.

I also found out the Royal Family was directly hit by the attack. The Crown Prince's wife lost her step-brother in the attack. And the Royal Family (Whether through the King or others) is patron of several groups that connect Norwegians and Americans.

245 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:27:48pm

re: #244 ProLifeLiberal

That's a decent question. There are some relatively active groups between the two nations.

I also found out the Royal Family was directly hit by the attack. The Crown Prince's wife lost her step-brother in the attack. And the Royal Family (Whether through the King or others) is patron of several groups that connect Norwegians and Americans.

My husband is 1/2 Scandinavian, but I doubt he could tell you any Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, or Icelandic customs.

246 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:29:34pm

re: #126 Obdicut

Well, keep at it. Remember the most important part is to actually want to change. Without that, you're not gonna.

Entirely Concur.

247 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:31:05pm

re: #245 EmmmieG

That may not be the case here. I'm doing a little looking. There seems to be a fair amount of Norwegian Activity in North Dakota. (At least 25 Sons of Norway lodges, with very busy schedules).

In addition, apparently, a Norwegian Oil Company bought a local Oil Company in North Dakota in October of Last Year.

248 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:34:39pm

re: #245 EmmmieG

My husband is 1/2 Scandinavian, but I doubt he could tell you any Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, or Icelandic customs.

Mayonnaise. Specifically, all sandwiches in Sweden (and likely their Scandinavian brethren nations too) come with:

1. Meat
2. Lettuce
3. Mayonnaise

All I'm basing this on is a Swedish-American former boss, and 4 layovers at Stockholm airport; so this may actually be a stereotype. Nevertheless, it is an uncanny custom!

249 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:35:15pm

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!?!?!

FaridaYAI Farida Ismail
Snowing in #Tripoli, #Gheryan, #Bayda, #Tarhunah and #Yefren. Wow. #Libya

250 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:37:50pm

re: #248 Surabaya Stew

Mayonnaise. Specifically, all sandwiches in Sweden (and likely their Scandinavian brethren nations too) come with:

1. Meat
2. Lettuce
3. Mayonnaise

All I'm basing this on is a Swedish-American former boss, and 4 layovers at Stockholm airport; so this may actually be a stereotype. Nevertheless, it is an uncanny custom!

My sandwiches consist of this, and I have only the tiniest of Swedish blood. Wait--do pickles or cheese disqualify you? Because my husband eats his sandwiches with both of those.

251 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:38:30pm

re: #249 ProLifeLiberal

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!?!?!

The long-awaited freezing over of Hell is beginning.

:-D

252 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:39:44pm

re: #251 Surabaya Stew

Yeah I'm noticing.

My reaction to this news is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED!

253 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:39:59pm

re: #249 ProLifeLiberal

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!?!?!

Brutal cold snap in Europe right now. Not surprising it was able to cross the Med. Don't forget that deserts are only hot during the day. They can be quite cold at night.

254 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:42:26pm

re: #249 ProLifeLiberal

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!?!?!

The pictures of the Coliseum in snow are quite interesting.

255 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:42:38pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Still, this is bizarre.

Also, things in Syria are continuing downhill, and things against Russia are already backfiring.

AJELive AJELive
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AlArabiya_Eng Al Arabiya English
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LulzFinancial LulzFinancial
Oh noes! Syrian governments email and passwords dumped by #LulzFin and cr3w pastebin.com/uaYDfCz0 #AntiSec #OWS #Anonymous #Syria #InfoSec

Al-Assad just lost much of his secrecy.

256 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:45:36pm

re: #255 ProLifeLiberal

Still, this is bizarre.

Also, things in Syria are continuing downhill, and things against Russia are already backfiring.

Al-Assad just lost much of his secrecy.

That last about the Palestinians could auger some serious problems to come. We've already seen AKs and MGs from Libya turn up in the hands of Boko Haram. So I have to ask: What happens in the West Bank or in Iraq if Assad falls?

257 freetoken  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:45:53pm

re: #249 ProLifeLiberal

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!?!?!

GOREBULL WARMING!!!

just had to do it

258 Lidane  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:46:40pm
259 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:48:19pm

re: #250 EmmmieG

My sandwiches consist of this, and I have only the tiniest of Swedish blood. Wait--do pickles or cheese disqualify you? Because my husband eats his sandwiches with both of those.

Yes.

At Stockholm airport, they have 100's of pre-made sandwiches for sale, all of which come with either roast beef or turkey, and lettuce and mayo. No other options. Additionally, my old boss (Mr. Nystrom) only had his sandwiches with those limitations. So to see his choices in sandwiches vindicated on my layovers? Fascinating....

260 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:50:31pm

fucking pats, man

261 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:52:32pm

re: #260 SpaceJesus

fucking pats, man

Hey, them's the breaks boyo. Eli's still got New England's number, and Cruz, Nicks and Bradshaw can come through when it counts.

262 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:55:59pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

At this point, I advocate the Israelis doing a big solution, with West Bank becoming Palestinian territory. It would have no military of it's own, but would be under Jordanian Protection. In addition, more freedom of land ownership in both would be available. The settlers could stay if they acceded to being a minority. They would get Police protection/Israeli Military for a decade or two, as things cooled down.

However, an independent Palestine does not matter to me. They are a piece I would like Jordan to control, as I eventually want a Jordan strong enough to directly confront Saudi. The Palestinians can be sacrificed to get rid of that menace (one thing the lady I mentioned earlier has criticized me for is being very Machiavellian.)

Jerusalem would become an independent city state, with both ceding land. It would act like a fusion of Andorra and Singapore. Most things would be handled by city legislature, but the Heads of State would be the President of Israel, the Hashemite King of Jordan, and the Archbishop of Canterbury. They would handle Religious Affairs and Maintenance of Buildings. The Anglican Church is not involved in the Retarded Inter-Christian Fighting about Churches, so he gets to take care of that.

In a Final Treaty, the Archbishop of Canterbury would also get the Authority to do this with all churches in what is Israel AND Palestine. He will be in charge of Maintenance and keeping order.

Also, if Assad falls, we will likely have to send Troops, along with other nations, to prevent a massively bloody and vicious civil war from breaking out, and to protect the minorities.

We need to prepare for this now.

263 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:58:51pm

apparently. re: #261 Dark_Falcon

apparently.

oh well. back to college basketball

264 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:01:14pm

Meanwhile at UMASS-Amherst, stupid things are happening:

TheOther99 TheOther99
UPDATE: Six arrests made at UMass-Amherst riot following #SuperBowl loss. Riot police battle 1500+ in streets.. wggb.com/2012/02/05/stu…

265 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:04:19pm

massholes

266 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:05:24pm
267 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:06:13pm

re: #266 SpaceJesus

A football game is not worth a trip to the pokey.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:08:00pm

re: #24 negativ

A full-on, no-shit revolution, followed by full-on, no-shit civil war, followed by a full-on, no-shit depression that saw people starving to death, followed by a full-on, no-shit global war (ripples of which I contend are still being felt to this day). Deranged mobs lynching "n*****s" considered 'just the way it goes down South', race riots, cities in flames. Assassination of the president, at the height of a so-called "cold war" where crazy and paranoid people were pointing nuclear weapons at each other for no discernible rational reason. The Middle-East. Disco. Taco Bell. Boy bands.

BUT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, we have a black president and people are not as rich as they could be if circumstances were such that facilitated them being richer, and THAT of course means that it's half-time for human civilization.

Or something?

We're Americans. All that shit was just our way of getting started.

(Said with no sarcasm whatsoever. If there's one thing I adore about this country more than any other, it's our screaming gung-ho approach to every damn thing that catches our fancy. Do we always make good choices? Not at all. But boy, do we go for it head first.)

269 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:08:48pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Hey, them's the breaks boyo. Eli's still got New England's number, and Cruz, Nicks and Bradshaw can come through when it counts.

Manningham too but yeah. I have to say. I've grown to like Eli Manning. I hated what he did when it appeared he'd be drafted by SD but as a QB- I really admire his toughness and how cool he is in clutch situations. He's better than his brother at that.

270 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:10:24pm

re: #262 ProLifeLiberal

There's no willpower for any of that. Israel is too pissed and too divided to make that kind of big decision. It would need fresh elections, too, and those would have to be elections where the Ultra-Orthodox parties weren't able to play kingmaker. Nor am I enamored with giving power to the sorts of losers often seen as Archbishop of Canterbury.

As for the US sending troops to anywhere, its not likely this year. If Obama does that, the left would scream "Betrayal!" and many activists would proceed to stay home on Election Day. Too many on the American left are still hostile to any sort of American military intervention. Obama won't risk it. It's the kind of thing where even if the GOP didn't attack him at all for going into Syria, the Democrats would still suffer a serious internal backlash.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:11:38pm

re: #144 funky chicken

The Voice. They said Christina Aguilera is considered "one of the best voices of all time." Um, not so much.

Ummm. I don't consider myself to be putting the woman down when I say 'no'.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:15:46pm

re: #198 ProLifeLiberal

I should also admit that a Huge part of this is fear.

I know for a fact based on things I have read that those with Asperger's have a harder time getting any sort of relationships, and that being this way is inherently unattractive. (Yes, I am harsh on myself) There are very few people I would be compatible with.

So, since I noticed this person may very well have that rare, beautiful sort of personality, I feel I must do something, or I may miss what could be my only chance. That is my mindset.

Agree with Floral that no one is ever your only chance. Yes, Aspergers makes relationships harder, but it does not make them impossible.

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:17:58pm

re: #196 ProLifeLiberal

CuriousLurker explained it:

Also, I killed the thread. Do I get a medal?

What I'd tell an Orthodox guy in your position is, follow the halacha, but don't be so stringent that you hobble yourself. If you can meet in public places, that will keep the pressure down for everyone.

274 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:18:01pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Preventing a possible Genocide is far more important to me. Politics needs to recognize the ability to change on circumstance. I see our military as a weapon to stop mass atrocities. Bosnia, Kosovo, and Libya are great examples

And while there are some issues with the Archbishop of Cantorbury, he is a Neutral Party in the Inter-Christian Fighting right now.

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and the Church of the Nativity are at High Risk of Catastrophic Structural Damage because nobody can agree to do anything. And unlike in the past, there is no Ottoman Sultan to force these idiots to work together. I want to see the Church of the Nativity. Jesus is important to us too, but the dumbasses keep fighting over the positions of chairs, and can't even take care of their own building. They are taking away the opportunity of future generations of Christians (and some Muslims) to see these places.

Someone needs to be placed above them to get control and force a change. AoC is a good enough fit.

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:18:57pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

THERE IS A POT FOR EVERY LID.
Bangs on PLL to make this sink in...

For every shoe, God made a foot...

Of course, the Irish also say "The good Lord made them, and the devil matched them."

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:20:28pm

re: #249 ProLifeLiberal

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!?!?!

Is that unusual?

277 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:21:16pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

To a point, yes. Though research showed not as much as I thought it was.

278 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:25:23pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

If you have another recommendation for a Protestant Big Guy, give me one.

I suppose the King/Queens of the UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, or the Netherlands could do.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:25:27pm

re: #262 ProLifeLiberal

At this point, I advocate the Israelis doing a big solution, with West Bank becoming Palestinian territory. It would have no military of it's own, but would be under Jordanian Protection. In addition, more freedom of land ownership in both would be available. The settlers could stay if they acceded to being a minority. They would get Police protection/Israeli Military for a decade or two, as things cooled down.

However, an independent Palestine does not matter to me. They are a piece I would like Jordan to control, as I eventually want a Jordan strong enough to directly confront Saudi. The Palestinians can be sacrificed to get rid of that menace (one thing the lady I mentioned earlier has criticized me for is being very Machiavellian.)

Jerusalem would become an independent city state, with both ceding land. It would act like a fusion of Andorra and Singapore. Most things would be handled by city legislature, but the Heads of State would be the President of Israel, the Hashemite King of Jordan, and the Archbishop of Canterbury. They would handle Religious Affairs and Maintenance of Buildings. The Anglican Church is not involved in the Retarded Inter-Christian Fighting about Churches, so he gets to take care of that.

In a Final Treaty, the Archbishop of Canterbury would also get the Authority to do this with all churches in what is Israel AND Palestine. He will be in charge of Maintenance and keeping order.

Also, if Assad falls, we will likely have to send Troops, along with other nations, to prevent a massively bloody and vicious civil war from breaking out, and to protect the minorities.

We need to prepare for this now.

Jordan's made it fairly clear they won't touch the West Bank again with a ten-foot pole.

280 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:28:42pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, find a way to change that. At this point, peace is more important than than whatever the hell they are thinking. And, as things grow more peaceful over time, you could withdraw people.

Though, I guess we could get Turkey to do it instead.

I won't change on the Hashemites being one of the three thingys in Jerusalem.

281 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:29:27pm

re: #274 ProLifeLiberal

I'm not disagreeing with what our military can do, but capability isn't the issue. The current president made getting out of Iraq a big deal. For him to turn around and go into Syria would be very badly received, mostly (but by no means entirely) on the left. For Obama to be bold and decisive in an election year like this would be to risk losing the election. Moreover, if we're going to send the Army in, then any funding cuts will have to be put off, which will require cuts in domestic programs to make up the difference. That won't be very popular.

Look at this situation from a less bold, 'small ball' position and then tell me how you'd act. And remember, your first objective is winning the election

282 Lidane  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:30:37pm
283 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:31:18pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

From the cynical point of view, I would wait until after the election,while trying to support allies there logistically.

However, in this case, I hate the cynical point of view.

284 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:35:10pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Look at this situation from a less bold, 'small ball' position and then tell me how you'd act. And remember, your first objective is winning the election

Isn't that what George did?
Worked well for him, can't change course in a time of war.

285 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:36:55pm

re: #283 ProLifeLiberal

From the cynical point of view, I would wait until after the election,while trying to support allies there logistically.

However, in this case, I hate the cynical point of view.

I don't like cynical either, but if you're going to be Machiavellian you'd better get used to it.

Moreover, you still haven't addressed one of the cardinal issues: How are you going to deal with the intense hate Arabs have for Israel? How can you broker a peace deal when one side doesn't want peace?

286 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:39:22pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Look at this situation from a less bold, 'small ball' position and then tell me how you'd act. And remember, your first objective is winning the election

Obama's first objective is not getting us mired down in an untenable position. The coalition that toppled Gadaffi's regime isn't there for Syria, and Syria is much better armed. Also, Obama has to keep military assets in reserve in case Israel attacks Iran and ignites a shit storm.

For him to turn around and go into Syria would be very badly received, mostly (but by no means entirely) on the left.

It's not like the right wing would support such a move either. McConnell's #1 stated priority isn't doing his job, improving the country or economy, but trying to make sure Obama isn't reelected. Hell, Obama toppled the Libyan regime without losing a single American life and gets nothing but criticism.

287 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:40:19pm

This is Northern Libya right now. (Those are all to FB Link by Activists in Libya)

Apparently, this is Tripoli's first snow in Decades. For the Nafusa Mountains, they get snow, but this was unusually heavy.

288 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:48:13pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Dealing with the hate will not be as big an issue if a reasonable solution can be reached. The big paranoia I seen (and heard) is that Palestinians and many Arabs think Israel is taking land from them, and trying to push them out, or push them into the worst areas. Israel will have to qualm these fears. There are water fears of the same type.

In addition, both sides need to recognize they have done crap to the other (though Israel overall is a cleaner. Most of its dubious actions were done by Irgun and Lehi. Who became Likud. Which is why I don't trust Likud.)

If a solution is found, things will gradually heal over time. It could be 50 to 100 years. But things would get better. Important also in this is blocking influence of Saudi Arabia they could poison this. Which is why I want Jordan and/or Turkey involved.

Also, new picture from Libya.

Who wants to go swimming?

289 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:49:30pm

re: #284 ozbloke

Isn't that what George did?
Worked well for him, can't change course in a time of war.

That was less than two years after 9/11, and it wasn't until 2006 that we found out how bad of a disaster Iraq could be. There's not going to be great enthusiasm for putting our soldiers in a place where Iran's proxies can attack them. Moreover, Obama does not belong to the same party as either Bush, and will face greater internal resistance to undertaking a major deployment.

290 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:53:45pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

That will be assuming that, after Iran's collapse, any of their proxies will be able to stand. Hezbollah will likely be quashed if they do attempt a coup, likely by somebody in NATO. And Hamas has broken from Syria and Iran because of Syria's instability.

I still think that if Syria falls, Iran begins to pop rivets, and leak.

291 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:58:39pm

re: #290 ProLifeLiberal

That will be assuming that, after Iran's collapse, any of their proxies will be able to stand. Hezbollah will likely be quashed if they do attempt a coup, likely by somebody in NATO. And Hamas has broken from Syria and Iran because of Syria's instability.

I still think that if Syria falls, Iran begins to pop rivets, and leak.

I'm not sure I agree. But I can stay here no longer. It's almost 1am here and I need to go to bed. Good night, all.

292 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:59:44pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

That was less than two years after 9/11, and it wasn't until 2006 that we found out how bad of a disaster Iraq could be. There's not going to be great enthusiasm for putting our soldiers in a place where Iran's proxies can attack them. Moreover, Obama does not belong to the same party as either Bush, and will face greater internal resistance to undertaking a major deployment.

From my remembrance, it was the second half of his elected term.
I think President Obama saw the issues involved early on, as did many on the left, and the millions who protested around the world.
To suggest it was not known till 2006 is a big stretch...
Bush used the war to garner support for his re-election and it worked for him.
Remember, he was the war president, he went to bed with war on his mind.

293 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:59:58pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

No, I want to continue discussion. You stay right here.

////

294 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:06:15pm

re: #293 ProLifeLiberal

No, I want to continue discussion. You stay right here.

///

I think that if the west make any bold moves against Iran, without some support from the ME as there was is Libya, its likely to unite the ME against the west and all hell may break loose.
Particularly in the direction of Israel.

Just my uncalled for 2 cents worth...

295 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:11:55pm

re: #294 ozbloke

In the case of Syria, I would think of it as being UN action after a collapse of Al-Assad, with it being "Peacekeeping on Steroids". In essence, we would be there to prevent a full civil war from breaking out, and to prevent massive Crimes against Humanity. Again, in essence, a more aggressive version of what is done in Africa and Lebanon.

I would imagine support from at least Turkey, and plausibly Iraq (Shia Majority might be worried about Alawites), and perhaps a smattering of other Arab States. Maybe Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia, and Libya?

And, with all the links between Iran and Syria, I do think a backflush from Syria to Iran would occur, igniting more unrest. The economic and social situation in Iran is much worse than in 2009.

296 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:14:55pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Also, I colossally fucked up the wording in the first sentence. Iran should say Syria. The same idea though. Iran may start slipping if Syria falls.

297 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:16:57pm

re: #295 ProLifeLiberal

In the case of Syria, I would think of it as being UN action after a collapse of Al-Assad, with it being "Peacekeeping on Steroids". In essence, we would be there to prevent a full civil war from breaking out, and to prevent massive Crimes against Humanity. Again, in essence, a more aggressive version of what is done in Africa and Lebanon.

I would imagine support from at least Turkey, and plausibly Iraq (Shia Majority might be worried about Alawites), and perhaps a smattering of other Arab States. Maybe Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia, and Libya?

And, with all the links between Iran and Syria, I do think a backflush from Syria to Iran would occur, igniting more unrest. The economic and social situation in Iran is much worse than in 2009.

I guess I come from the view that Islam as a religion is more important to them than the politics of the day, and if it comes down to a choice they will choose their religion over their politics.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's why I would like to see some support from the Arab league, or other Arab nations.

298 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:19:48pm

re: #297 ozbloke

Oh, I want support from Arab States too. Arab Nationalism still has some strength. But you are correct about religion. This region has had a lot of trauma in the past 100-120 years, and religion has been one of the few things to hold any sort of stability.

Now, I must go to sleep.

299 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:21:14pm

Nite PLL

300 Lidane  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:22:08pm

Late night good news. I just hope the powers that be mean it:

Myanmar’s Aung San Suu Kyi wins official approval to run for key elections in April

301 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:27:05pm

re: #295 ProLifeLiberal

Neither the Syrian nor Iranian protestors / rebels have organized themselves at the level that the Libyan resistance managed early on, and the Libyans looked like Orks from 40k in terms of organization discipline. Even the Libyan improvised and looted armor was Ork / A-team like in it's ad hoc construction. Libya turned into a grind even though the allies had total air supremacy within something like 48 hours, so it's important to distinguish between what can be bitten off and what can easily be chewed.

302 sagehen  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:35:19pm

re: #298 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, I want support from Arab States too. Arab Nationalism still has some strength. But you are correct about religion. This region has had a lot of trauma in the past 100-120 years, and religion has been one of the few things to hold any sort of stability.

Are you saying that because government has failed them, they cling to their guns and their religion?

303 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:37:35pm

re: #300 Lidane

Late night good news. I just hope the powers that be mean it:

Myanmar’s Aung San Suu Kyi wins official approval to run for key elections in April

And we all said Amen...

304 ozbloke  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:43:14pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

so it's important to distinguish between what can be bitten off and what can easily be chewed.

Yes, because 'we all know how hard it is to put food on your family'.

305 Four More Tears  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:58:10pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

That was less than two years after 9/11, and it wasn't until 2006 that we found out how bad of a disaster Iraq could be.

Yes. Because until then who could have guessed?

306 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 12:22:30am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

That was less than two years after 9/11, and it wasn't until 2006 that we found out how bad of a disaster Iraq could be.

Because people didn't point out that it would be a giant clusterfuck before we invaded.

307 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 12:25:52am

re: #306 Lidane

Because people didn't point out that it would be a giant clusterfuck before we invaded.

Come now, don't you remember the assurances of how it was only going to take a few months, cost us a few hundred billion, and the costs themselves would be paid back in Iraqi oil?

//

308 sagehen  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 12:44:08am

I remember Donald Rumsfeld's exact words:

"It might take six days, maybe six weeks. I doubt it will take six months."

309 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:01:42am

re: #302 sagehen

Bluntly: YES!

Being very stressed in the past 24 hours, I guzzled about a litre of Caffeinated Pepsi. I can't get to sleep right now.

310 ozbloke  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:02:55am

re: #308 sagehen

I remember Donald Rumsfeld's exact words:

"It might take six days, maybe six weeks. I doubt it will take six months."

You ever seen a place with so many vases?

311 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:10:31am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

That was less than two years after 9/11, and it wasn't until 2006 that we found out how bad of a disaster Iraq could be.

How bad a disaster Iraq could be was obvious to me in 2003. Just as it was obvious to me in 2008 how bad a disaster Palin would be. Of course, in both cases there were people who didn't listen to extremely plain facts before them for various reasons, be it partisanship or something else. But let's not turn it into "nobody knew".

312 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:19:01am

Good News and Bad News Here:

Ahmet Davutoğlu, the Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs says Turkey's doors were “open to all Syrians who want to flee from oppression.”

Good News: And who want to flee will be safe.

Bad News: I want the US to get some of these people. Like, several Million of them.

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:20:18am

In Iran the Simpsons dolls have been banned.
But they decided to leave the Superman and Spiderman since they help the downtrodden.

(No joke.)

314 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:23:23am

re: #313 Sergey Romanov

Iran is such a weird place, in so many ways.

315 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:23:35am

In Freiburg a cat locked its human slaves on a balcony, in freezing weather.

[Link: www.spickmich.de...]

I guess they failed to realize some whim of the Feline Overlord or another, and the punishment was stern.

316 researchok  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:24:06am

Morning, all

317 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 2:07:50am

Erroll Garner Trio:

318 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 2:21:53am

re: #315 Sergey Romanov

In Freiburg a cat locked its human slaves on a balcony, in freezing weather.

[Link: www.spickmich.de...]

I guess they failed to realize some whim of the Feline Overlord or another, and the punishment was stern.

my three-year-old daughter did that to me. Fortunately I had house keys with me and was able to toss them down the neighbor who had just arrived.

320 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 2:35:46am

re: #319 researchok

Thankfully, this doesn't represent the Armenians. IIRC it's related to some economic Russian-Armenian stuff that the Armenian govt hopes for.

321 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:09:58am

I just got the best error ever on my project:

"Build not created: Reason: Awesome leopard expected; awesome leopard not found. Please locate awesome leopard and describe attributes."

322 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:11:55am

re: #321 Obdicut

Awesome.

323 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:17:18am

re: #321 Obdicut

I just got the best error ever on my project:

"Build not created: Reason: Awesome leopard expected; awesome leopard not found. Please locate awesome leopard and describe attributes."

Who stole your awesome leopard?

324 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:20:48am

re: #323 Sergey Romanov

Who stole your awesome leopard?

It should be in the next delivery.

325 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:38:25am

re: #311 Sergey Romanov

How bad a disaster Iraq could be was obvious to me in 2003. Just as it was obvious to me in 2008 how bad a disaster Palin would be. Of course, in both cases there were people who didn't listen to extremely plain facts before them for various reasons, be it partisanship or something else. But let's not turn it into "nobody knew".

The 16 yr-old highschool student who organized our tiny antiwar vigil in Bumfuk, Alabama, knew. When I started to tell her about the White Rose, she said they had read a play in class. There is hope.

'Morning, all

326 A Mom Anon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:50:06am

re: #198 ProLifeLiberal

As a mom to a son with Asperger's I'd like to point something out(as late in the thread as this may be):

All autistic people are not the same. What you read or hear from doctors and other"experts" shouldn't be taken as a one size fits all piece of advice or information. The fact is,the best scientfic minds in the world only know a very tiny bit about the brain and autism.There are also alot of quacks and bullshit artists out there associated with autism and related developmental disorders,ask for help if you're unsure about something you've read or heard.

I've had to correct many people's assumptions about my kid. One example being that alot of people think all Aspies are good at math. Nope. Another misconception is that Aspies lack empathy or feelings in general. Again,not true. My son has barely passed math classes and will openly weep if he realizes he's hurt someone's feelings. It's not a lack of empathy,it's a lack of social skills that's the problem, in his case at least. It's impossible to develop those skills when people won't give you the chance,that's one of his biggest challenges right now. It's hard to watch him struggle. People can be asshats.

I guess my point is that you should think about who you really are as a person and let the Asperger's be a bit more secondary. I tell my son to try and figure out who he wants to be and work on that part first. The Asperger's is not ALL of who he is,just a part. For what it's worth.

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:57:43am

Morning all!

Video disabled by NFL and I didn't see the game.

What happened?

How is everyone?

328 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 3:58:52am

re: #326 A Mom Anon

Very well-said. I used to work with kids with autism, and they displayed just as wide a variation on personality and self-knowledge as 'ordinary' people.

I would note that a lack of functional empathy-- as in, difficulty in perceiving other peoples emotions-- is part of the autism spectrum. But you're quite right that that doesn't amount to an actual lack of empathy.

329 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:01:37am

Had to get up early to take Old Man Dog to the vet for teeth cleaning. He can't eat or drink until afterwards. That means the other dogs have to wait until I get back from dropping him off.

Right now is not a good time in my house.

330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:03:43am

4 killed in wrong-way crash in Chicago.

They think alcohol was involved.

Highway might be closed until noon.

331 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:09:53am

re: #326 A Mom Anon

I think you said your son is a young adult, but I'll still pimp my daughter's non-doctor, non-expert ebook. It's a description of raising her autistic 9 yr-old daughter. (Not much of a pimp--she gets 40 cents per book from Amazon.)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

If you want to contact her, she could use lots of outside opinion at her blog

[Link: lorcadamon.com...]

WARNING: She has a nastier sense of humor than I do--must be her mother.

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:14:38am
333 A Mom Anon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:16:06am

re: #328 Obdicut

In our household,autism has NEVER been an excuse for bad or inappropriate behavior. Though heaven knows the kid has tried to use that,lol. You have to live in this world and it won't bend to fit you. You have to bend to fit sometimes.The trick is figuring out how to do that without sacrificing who you are. That's true for all of us though. I hope PLL learns that Asperger's is not THE thing that defines him,it's just one thing. You can't ignore it,but it's not the only thing to consider.

I wish there were more services and programs for young adults with autism,there's alot of early intervention and programs for the little ones,but after elementary school the resources dry up. Some colleges have services for students with autism(Marshall is one,others have sprung up in the past few years). Some states have decent vocational rehab programs,but beyond that,it's hit or miss.

334 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:16:23am
335 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:21:08am

re: #333 A Mom Anon

I'm actually thinking of starting up an employment agency specifically geared for those on the autism spectrum. I've worked with a lot of people on the autism spectrum-- I mean, had them as co-workers-- and while they can be goddamn annoying, so can normal humans. But the discrimination against autists-- and really, the failure to perceive the value in the significantly different perspective that they bring-- is really shameful.

I was going to apply for a grant this year to kickstart the program, but I got too busy with my real work.

336 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:21:29am

re: #333 A Mom Anon

There was a talkshow idiot a couple years back who insisted that autism was mostly just brat behavior. That's socon BS, but it is quite possible to raise a kid who is both autistic and a brat. We watch for that because there is a natural drive to "make up for it".

337 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:23:06am

re: #335 Obdicut

I'm actually thinking of starting up an employment agency specifically geared for those on the autism spectrum. I've worked with a lot of people on the autism spectrum-- I mean, had them as co-workers-- and while they can be goddamn annoying, so can normal humans. But the discrimination against autists-- and really, the failure to perceive the value in the significantly different perspective that they bring-- is really shameful.

I was going to apply for a grant this year to kickstart the program, but I got too busy with my real work.

We'll look you up when Grandaughter gets through high school, if she gets through high school.

338 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:32:02am

Loughner still not competent to stand trial:

Hearing set to determine if Tucson shooting spree suspect is competent for trial
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

SAN DIEGO — A federal judge is set to determine whether the suspect in the Tucson shooting rampage that killed six people and wounded several others, including then-U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, should remain at a federal prison facility where officials are forcibly medicating him.

U.S. District Court Judge Larry Burns said in his court filing that he is inclined to extend the suspect’s stay after learning the chief federal psychologist of Jared Lee Loughner believes the 23-year-old is still not competent to stand trial.

He said that the psychologist noted, however, that his mental state has made “measurable progress” during the roughly six months he has been at the facility in Springfield, Mo., and she believes he will continue to improve.

339 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:43:08am

re: #338 RogueOne

Loughner still not competent to stand trial:

Hearing set to determine if Tucson shooting spree suspect is competent for trial
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Don't really care if he spends his life in prison or a hospital ward, as long as he's not down at McDonald's.

340 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:48:13am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

6 months on meds and still crazy as a loon. Makes me wonder if the schizophrenia is only part of his problem.

341 A Mom Anon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:48:43am

re: #337 Decatur Deb
Check your state's dept of labor for voc rehab programs and start pushing for evaluations as soon as the kid is high school age. If you have any Vo-Tech high schools in the area,I'd push for entry into those instead of regular high school. I wish I had that last option here,but there's been so many cuts to those kinds of vo-tech programs that there wasn't a place for my son and what's left isn't really true vo-tech(ie;working with one's hands to learn a trade). I'm hoping the dept of labor will accept him into the voc-rehab program,it's a long process.
Your daughter's blog has me giggling already,lol. I'll pop in and introduce myself at some point soon.

342 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 4:53:33am

re: #332 ggt

Found the Clint Eastwood Video.

Rather powerful.

Has there been any backwash that this is secret left-wing agenda pro-Obama stealth advertising? After all Romney opposed bailing out the auto industry while Obama supported it...

343 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:01:37am

re: #341 A Mom Anon

Check your state's dept of labor for voc rehab programs and start pushing for evaluations as soon as the kid is high school age. If you have any Vo-Tech high schools in the area,I'd push for entry into those instead of regular high school. I wish I had that last option here,but there's been so many cuts to those kinds of vo-tech programs that there wasn't a place for my son and what's left isn't really true vo-tech(ie;working with one's hands to learn a trade). I'm hoping the dept of labor will accept him into the voc-rehab program,it's a long process.
Your daughter's blog has me giggling already,lol. I'll pop in and introduce myself at some point soon.

Yes. There are several looming decision points that we have seen. We were absurdly lucky in the gradeschool the family moved to, but at some point she might become too disruptive to continue even with their best will. (She is in the Talented and Gifted program, desperately trying to stay out of Special Ed.) Can't tell if she will wind up counting canned goods at Big Lots or stars at Cerro Tololo.

344 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:02:00am

The Eastwood ad was over-the-top corny but it's Clint so I'll bite my tongue. I wasn't impressed with the ads last night at all. I liked the KIA ad (Motley Crue!) and the Dorito's dog ad was cute but most of the others were pretty bland.

345 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:04:51am

re: #344 RogueOne

The Eastwood ad was over-the-top corny but it's Clint so I'll bite my tongue. I wasn't impressed with the ads last night at all. I liked the KIA ad (Motley Crue!) and the Dorito's dog ad was cute but most of the others were pretty bland.

Zedushka loved the Dorito's ad with the baby. I kind of liked the beer wagon ad except for their revisionist portrayal of race relations in the 1870's. Although if they had accurately portrayed race relations in the 1870's then the ad would have pretty much sucked.

346 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:10:34am

re: #345 Alouette

Zedushka loved the Dorito's ad with the baby. I kind of liked the beer wagon ad except for their revisionist portrayal of race relations in the 1870's. Although if they had accurately portrayed race relations in the 1870'd then the ad would have pretty much sucked.

That was the one that was made for the doritos contest. If he had ended up #1 he would have won $1 Million. Looks like it ended up 4th:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

347 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:16:05am

Dogwalk--BBL

348 A Mom Anon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:19:15am

re: #343 Decatur Deb
Your daughter is lucky to have you. I have had zero family support. My inlaws mean well,but they live 800 miles away and have missed most of the kid's childhood. They THINK they know what the deal is,but they really don't.My family is RWNJ central,I have only recently re-established a superficial relationship with my parents after a 10 yr estrangement(my folks are also evangelical christians and think I'm an evil demon devil worshipper,long,long story). I think things would have been alot different for the kid with some decent family support system in place. Sigh. The best bit of advice I would give is to help your granddaughter make and keep these early friendships for as long as possible,it will make the upper grades easier. All my son's friends bailed on him once he got to 7th grade,it's been heartbreaking. He literally has NO friends,and it's not because he doesn't try. I do not get why it's so accepted that kids are so mean to each other,like it's normal. It isn't,not if caring adults create a community where it isn't accepted and not tolerated.

349 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:20:00am

I forgot about the Sacha Cohen "The Dictator" movie. The 100M race scene where he shoots the other competitors was hilarious....

350 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:29:26am

re: #321 Obdicut

I just got the best error ever on my project:

"Build not created: Reason: Awesome leopard expected; awesome leopard not found. Please locate awesome leopard and describe attributes."

It's down at the Town Hall, in the basement, guarding the plans for the new by-pass.

351 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:30:46am

Time to hit the road, enjoy the day folks!

352 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:31:12am

re: #332 ggt

Found the Clint Eastwood Video.

Rather powerful.

When that gravelly voice talks, people listen.

353 Flounder  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:37:11am

re: #352 oaktree

Cripes, the guy has beeen around since Moses!
/

354 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:38:39am

And a final note on the halftime show. If they're going to lip-synch it all, and also spend a lot of time with training and using big dance routines they should stop paying big bucks to pop stars to appear. Hire Baryshnikov (or the modern equivalent) and do something real good with the dance routines and move away from music stars who aren't actually performing music.

(oh, and I did catch that the big Madonna entrance was an homage/replay of Cleopatra (as played by Elizabeth Taylor) arriving in Rome.)

355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:39:52am

re: #353 Shropshire_Slasher

Cripes, the guy has beeen around since Moses!
/

The eyebrows helped part the Red Sea. And the glare helped keep them parted. Something beyond the powers of Chuck Norris.

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:44:46am

re: #349 RogueOne

Love Cohen, but this seems kinda lame.

357 Flounder  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:48:13am

re: #356 Sergey Romanov
Reminds me of Eddie Murphy in Coming to America

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:50:49am

re: #357 Shropshire_Slasher

Ah, yes. I haven't seen it in years. Good stuff. This? Dunno.

359 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:53:32am

re: #348 A Mom Anon

After a short, cold walk.

You are farther down the road than we are--though I can see the social adaptation thing as an issue in a small town. It will inevitably spill over to her older sister, who is super-cool right now. I don't think anyone much knows what the 'real deal' is, so we are open to sane experimentation. (We are quite convinced we're getting some benefit from the gluten/dairy-free diet, and that it only works for a portion of the kids.)

We live a few hours away, in-laws are much closer. They're basically good small-town people who help a lot with sitting and respite. SIL had to get a bunch of libertarian BS out of his system, but he's come around. For a year or so our daughter (an English/Biology teacher) fell into the vaxer crap but we browbeat her back. It shows how powerful the need for an 'answer' is. Local doctors tended to the less-than-useless. The second one diagnosed Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

360 S'latch  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:04:01am

A commercial they don't want me to see?

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:10:40am

This has to be the only commercial in history that laid claims to copyright laws and pulled from the internet.

If you'll pay millions of shekels to get it aired? Why wouldn't you want people to see it when you don't have to pay for it?

I don't get it.
-Big

362 Flounder  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:12:12am

See #332 for video

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:15:17am

re: #360 Lawrence Schmerel

A commercial they don't want me to see?

[Link: bleacherreport.com...]

On this link it's working (right now).

364 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:15:34am

Don't get it either: two whole minutes of Super Bowl airtime musta run them a cool $12 million.

Unless the Romey campaign people are behind this...

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:19:56am

I thought it was very stirring. The commercial even stands without the images.

It’s halftime. Both teams are in their locker room discussing what they can do to win this game in the second half.

It’s halftime in America, too. People are out of work and they’re hurting. And they’re all wondering what they’re going to do to make a comeback. And we’re all scared, because this isn’t a game.

The people of Detroit know a little something about this. They almost lost everything. But we all pulled together, now Motor City is fighting again.

I’ve seen a lot of tough eras, a lot of downturns in my life. And, times when we didn’t understand each other. It seems like we’ve lost our heart at times. When the fog of division, discord, and blame made it hard to see what lies ahead.

But after those trials, we all rallied around what was right, and acted as one. Because that’s what we do. We find a way through tough times, and if we can’t find a way, then we’ll make one.

All that matters now is what’s ahead. How do we come from behind? How do we come together? And, how do we win?

Detroit’s showing us it can be done. And, what’s true about them is true about all of us.

This country can’t be knocked out with one punch. We get right back up again and when we do the world is going to hear the roar of our engines.

Yeah, it’s halftime America. And, our second half is about to begin.

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:22:03am

re: #349 RogueOne

I forgot about the Sacha Cohen "The Dictator" movie. The 100M race scene where he shoots the other competitors was hilarious...

[Video]

That was stolen from "The Last Boy Scout". Billy Blanks...

367 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:30:50am

Morning Lizardim from the cool, bright, and sunny wild north country. I slept through my alarm this morning; it's a very rare occurrence, but it seems to be my body's natural defense against excessive sleep deprivation. Sucks because now I get to go home in the middle of rush-hour traffic, but at least I'm relatively well-rested. How fare the rest of the Lizardim?

368 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:31:14am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area; home to the World Champion NY football Giants. Kudos to the team and am really looking forward to seeing tomorrow's parade from my office along the Canyon of Heroes. Gonna be fun.

The game was a nail biter to the end, and it's amazing that after rattling off 16 completions in a row during the 2-3d quarters, Brady couldn't get the key receptions in the final minute to get them where they needed to go. Still, amazing end and Eli ends all questions about his game for all time. You don't go and win 2 super bowls without doing something special during those seasons and down the stretch. MVP twice in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'd say so.

What wasn't so mvp? The ads.

There were a couple of good ones. The Volkswagen dog ad that was a meta for the Star Wars ad was fun (and played on last year's theme too). The Doritos dog burying the cat and bribing the owner was funny (and done by an amateur in the Doritos contest to boot!).

Just saw the Clint ad and thought it was okay.

Thought that the Fiat Aberth commercial was funny (the very attractive Italian woman with the schlub oogling the car at the end). Very Italian and true to the car.

But for among the worst? The Caddy "green hell" commercial. Sorry, but car enthusiasts don't need the nickname for Nürburgring. Just say the name. You lose street cred with me when you're gearing for enthusiasts (and there's something more authentic when you call it by it's Teutonic name). It's a commercial that had potential, and just washed out.

The Go Daddy commercials have worn thin.

369 darthstar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:34:15am

Clint Eastwood left one thing off of that ad (aside from white-washing union signs from the pictures of protesters). He forgot to thank President Obama for helping the auto industry survive the first half.

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:38:21am

re: #368 lawhawk

Still, amazing end and Eli ends all questions about his game for all time. You don't go and win 2 super bowls without doing something special during those seasons and down the stretch. MVP twice in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'd say so.

Until his first incompletion or interception next year. You New Yorkers have very short memories.

371 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:39:37am

re: #368 lawhawk

The M&M's commercial was absolutely adorable. I was slightly disappointed in the new ETrade commercial; usually they do such good work, and this one just seemed to fall flat.

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:40:39am

re: #369 darthstar

...and Bush...

373 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:45:02am

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

...and Bush...

Outrageous wingnut propaganda!
/

374 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:46:45am

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't go lumping me in with bandwagoners and the idiots who will throw future hall of famers under the bus for mistakes made (and no one is going to have a perfect season with no interceptions fwiw).

You know though, there's one guy in the NYC metro area who's probably feeling pretty awful right about now. Jets coach Rex Ryan, who was all talk, didn't know that his team was imploding all around him, and still thought he coached the best team in NY (and that they'd world champs to boot). Guess he's going to have to walk past another Lombardi trophy in the Giants display case at the MetLife stadium.

375 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:47:10am

re: #371 thedopefishlives

The M&M's commercial was absolutely adorable. I was slightly disappointed in the new ETrade commercial; usually they do such good work, and this one just seemed to fall flat.

I'm getting kind of bored of the eTrade commercial. They were cute at first, now they are just lame.

"Subway" tried to do the "flip" of the eTrade commercials, giving adults little baby voices. It was creepy and horrible!

376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:47:35am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

While it pissed off the Right to no end (including me), folks are trying to ignore that President Bush was in any way involved.

377 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:47:36am

re: #369 darthstar

He also forgot to thank Fiat.... for saving Chrysler by buying it.

378 darthstar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:49:34am

re: #377 lawhawk

He also forgot to thank Fiat... for saving Chrysler by buying it.

He was pissed that their ad made people want to buy cars, while Clint's gravelly voice just made them want to fight someone.

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:49:55am

re: #374 lawhawk

Poor Rex... he was born with trench foot in his mouth.

380 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:50:49am

Morning.

381 darthstar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:51:27am

And what the fuck was up with Hyundai's fairy dust ad that suggested straight guys want to listen to Motley Crue and woo hot chicks in a white economy sedan?

382 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:52:45am

re: #381 darthstar

And what the fuck was up with Hyundai's fairy dust ad that suggested straight guys want to listen to Motley Crue and woo hot chicks in a white economy sedan?

I laughed so hard at that one, purely for the ridiculousness factor. I gotta hand it to 'em, they may be woefully misguided, but it was creative.

383 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:53:23am

re: #376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While it pissed off the Right to no end (including me), folks are trying to ignore that President Bush was in any way involved.

Yes, but is it possible to have been pissed then, and demand proper Bush credit now, without recognizing that it was wrong to be pissed at the 'socialist' fix ?

384 darthstar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:53:42am

Okay...need to start my morning. Back later.

385 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:54:26am

Right. Bush did start the auto bailouts which was something that the right wing continues to ignore. Obama stepped it up. In the context, which is important here we have a couple of issues. One, Bush is not running for reelection and the right wing refuses to acknowledge his hand in the bailouts. Another being that Obama is the one who is being hammered by the right wing since 2009 for the Chrysler bailout. In order for this line of thinking to work the right wing would have to acknowledge Bush's hand in this and stop complaining not only about this ad (which they've been doing since last night) and shut the heck up.

Which won't happen.

386 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:55:52am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

Outrageous wingnut propaganda!
/

Try convincing the wingnuts of this. So yeah. Wingnut propaganda that they continue to deny to this day. Yep.

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:57:08am

I liked Dorito's "dog murdered the cat" and pays the cat's owner off with Doritos to keep his mouth shut... on the funny side. But, the Clint commercial? I thought it was great. Personally, I would have liked the guitar riff from "Lose Yourself" under it to tie it to last year's effective Chrysler ad.

But, they didn't ask me.

388 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:57:19am

re: #385 Gus 802

Right. Bush did start the auto bailouts which was something that the right wing continues to ignore. Obama stepped it up. In the context, which is important here we have a couple of issues. One, Bush is not running for reelection and the right wing refuses to acknowledge his hand in the bailouts. Another being that Obama is the one who is being hammered by the right wing since 2009 for the Chrysler bailout. In order for this line of thinking to work the right wing would have to acknowledge Bush's hand in this and stop complaining not only about this ad (which they've been doing since last night) and shut the heck up.

Which won't happen.

The RWNJ seem to have totally ignored the fact that GM has paid back the entire TARP loan and is now standing on its own two feet again. They seem to think that GM is still being supported by the government.

389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:57:45am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Yes, but is it possible to have been pissed then, and demand proper Bush credit now, without recognizing that it was wrong to be pissed at the 'socialist' fix ?

Absolutely. No disagreement there.

390 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:00:36am

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I liked Dorito's "dog murdered the cat" and pays the cat's owner off with Doritos to keep his mouth shut... ont he funny side. But, the Clint commercial? I thought it was great. Personally, I would have liked the guitar riff from "Lose Yourself" under it to tie it to last year's effective Chrysler ad.

But, they didn't ask me.

Chrysler's whole "we're rebuilding Detroit" campaign has been an exercise in novelty. It's almost like they've surpassed Ford as the "American carmaker" these days.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:00:59am

re: #388 Alouette

Hey, Lou... doesn't the US Government still own majority share of GM stock?

392 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:01:24am

Read the comments here.

No mention of Bush.

Lots of crazy talk though.

393 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:02:24am

Not a bad Super Bowl, except for the result. Congrats to the G-Men, who made all the key plays. I was right about three things going into the game:

1) It would be memorable for fans of both teams
2) It would be close
3) It might be as good a game as Super Bowl 42 (also won by NY)

This is why I love sports and why I am so grateful to earn a living from sports.

394 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:03:22am

re: #368 lawhawk

The Fiat Aberth ad has been around for a few weeks already at least. Saw it while watching one of the earlier football playoff games.

I note that most of the ads still play males as solely interested in fast cars, beer, and nubile women in bikinis. Going with what the focus groups say works I guess - but at what point do they blur together so that you can't associate any product with the ad?

395 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:04:24am

I think this ad might become a bit a portable conspiracy theory however. One in which it's message can mean whatever the viewer so desires. Most of which will play into confirmation bias. It really wasn't an Obama ad at all. Perhaps it could be used that way. But the final message is for Chrysler who wants to sell cars and make bigger profits.

396 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:05:41am

LOL Those comments at The Blaze.

What happened with people? Are they handing out hits of acid on the street that I'm not aware of?

397 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:06:21am

re: #386 Gus 802

Try convincing the wingnuts of this. So yeah. Wingnut propaganda that they continue to deny to this day. Yep.

The wingnuts lapsed into dopey populist economics right after the election. Moonbats did it recently with OWS. I think American car manufacturing is probably doomed but in the context of the economic crisis the bailout was probably the right thing to do. Same with the bank bailouts, it was an economic necessity. I think it's perfectly reasonable to complain that the problem hasn't been fixed (I think the mega-banks should be broken up) but to rail against the bailouts is just silly.

398 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:06:29am

re: #388 Alouette

The RWNJ seem to have totally ignored the fact that GM has paid back the entire TARP loan and is now standing on its own two feet again. They seem to think that GM is still being supported by the government.

Actually it's worse than that. There's a lot of interesting accounting done in editorials to "prove" that they haven't really paid back the loan and that we're still propping them up. Math reminds of what you see by troofers talking of how the airplanes couldn't possibly have caused explosions that large and effective all by themselves; there had to be pre-planted explosives.

399 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:06:52am

re: #385 Gus 802

I was opposed to the auto bailouts - the bankruptcies were coming regardless of the bailouts. An argument can be made that the bailouts gave GM and Chrysler time to get the reorganization done, but considering that the reorganization was expedited anyways, and under the same basic conditions, the money used by the Bush bailout was meant to push talk of bankruptcy into the Obama Administration. The Obama bailout was giving GM and Chrysler a second chance, and when that failed, the bankruptcy reorganizations occurred, with the feds taking ownership stock in both companies.

Thing is - bankruptcy (reorganization, not liquidation) doesn't have quite the stigma it used to have. But throwing good money after bad does have a stigma, and that's what the bailouts were.

400 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:07:18am

re: #395 Gus 802

I think this ad might become a bit a portable conspiracy theory however. One in which it's message can mean whatever the viewer so desires. Most of which will play into confirmation bias. It really wasn't an Obama ad at all. Perhaps it could be used that way. But the final message is for Chrysler who wants to sell cars and make bigger profits.

Chrysler probably figured out that there are more minivans to be sold to optimistic moms than to paranoid 3-percenters in the bunkers.

401 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:07:36am

re: #395 Gus 802

I think this ad might become a bit a portable conspiracy theory however. One in which it's message can mean whatever the viewer so desires. Most of which will play into confirmation bias. It really wasn't an Obama ad at all. Perhaps it could be used that way. But the final message is for Chrysler who wants to sell cars and make bigger profits.

If it hadn't been for the similar ad last year I would not have had a clue what it was an ad for until the very end. Which was a bit riveting since I was curious to know who had gone 180 degrees from just about all the previous ads. Serious, not trying for laughs or the obvious attention grabbers - so who is doing it?

And with the voice narrating it I was half-expecting it to be a Colbert SuperPAC ad.

402 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:07:46am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts lapsed into dopey populist economics right after the election. Moonbats did it recently with OWS. I think American car manufacturing is probably doomed but in the context of the economic crisis the bailout was probably the right thing to do. Same with the bank bailouts, it was an economic necessity. I think it's perfectly reasonable to complain that the problem hasn't been fixed (I think the mega-banks should be broken up) but to rail against the bailouts is just silly.

Yep. And you remember. One of the things I would always do would be to bring up Bush's history on the auto bailouts.

403 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:08:43am

Funny. Someone just down dinged this article.

404 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:13:37am

It's pretty funny how some folks are freaking out when he says "it's half-time in America." Um, context maybe? It was a Super Bowl ad. It wasn't meant to be a literal statement.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:15:34am

re: #403 Gus 802

Funny. Someone just down dinged this article.

Done gone and down-dinged what can be un-dung? Dang.

406 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:15:57am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Done gone and down-dinged what can be un-dung? Dang.

Could have been a vision thing. //

407 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:16:17am

The real message from that commercial that the haters (of all types) will never get is simple. As Americans, what binds us together is far more important than what divides us. Politics and religion are our two most divisive issues, so it is important to remember that life is about more than "balkanizing" ourselves into smaller "tribes." The genius of our country is that we have always striven to do just the opposite, and it worked well.

408 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:16:32am

re: #403 Gus 802

Funny. Someone (wiffersnapper) just (wiffersnapper) down dinged (wiffersnapper) this (wiffersnapper) article (wiffersnapper).

Any idea as to who?

409 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:16:35am

re: #404 Gus 802

It's pretty funny how some folks are freaking out when he says "it's half-time in America." Um, context maybe? It was a Super Bowl ad. It wasn't meant to be a literal statement.

Probably true. But easy to project a different context on it if you want. Plausible deniability as well. :)

410 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:14am

re: #408 sattv4u2

Any idea as to who?

Hey! I was trying to be diplomatic!

//

411 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:18am

re: #406 Gus 802

Could have been a vision thing. //

Someone who despises the Italian neo-realist cinema style.

412 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:36am

Looking at the commercial I kept thinking, "But there are some members of the team that want America to lose. Because they believe that if America loses they'll take over the coaching forever and they can rebuild America into a 'Christian, capitalist nation' entirely different from the socialist dictatorship it now is."

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:59am

re: #408 sattv4u2

When I clicked it... the pop-up with the Karma went underneath the You Youtube... so nothing appeared.

Don't know how that happened.

414 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:19:10am

re: #408 sattv4u2

Any idea as to who?

Nic appeared in Spy--occasional shy lurker.

415 sagehen  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:20:36am

re: #342 ralphieboy

Has there been any backwash that this is secret left-wing agenda pro-Obama stealth advertising? After all Romney opposed bailing out the auto industry while Obama supported it...

I'm hearing from both left and right wing that there's nothing secret about the left-wing agenda pro-Obama nonstealth advertising.

I have to agree -- struck me as pretty obvious, and I'm usually the last to notice these things.

416 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:20:51am

Good morning lizards!

Well my DSL company finally cut off the service. They are out of business and I am back to dial-up at home. Grrrr.

417 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:21:21am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Well my DSL company finally cut off the service. They are out of business and I am back to dial-up at home. Grrr.

Out of business? Wow, that hurts.

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:21:55am

re: #414 Decatur Deb

Nic appeared in Spy--occasional shITTy lurker.

Why on earth is this article down-dingable?

Someone was being pissy.

419 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:22:15am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

We really need a rural connectivity program.

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:22:53am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Well my DSL company finally cut off the service. They are out of business and I am back to dial-up at home. Grrr.

Hey! Let's make fun of NJHF! It'll take him an hour to respond to ANYTHING!

421 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:23:05am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Well my DSL company finally cut off the service. They are out of business and I am back to dial-up at home. Grrr.

Used to be a clumsy dish TV/net technology that gave fast satellite download with slower phone upload.

422 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:23:56am

re: #419 Obdicut

We really need a rural connectivity program.

But wouldn't an internet equivalent of the TVA and Rural Electrification simply be a socialist plot to expand leftist propaganda and atheism to contaminate the Heartland?
//

423 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:24:28am

re: #419 Obdicut

We really need a rural connectivity program.

There are some satellite ISP's that service remote rural areas. Back before cable and DSL were widely provided, I had a satellite ISP. It was just fine for browsing and other relatively latency-insensitive usage, and the download speeds rocked; but trying to game over it? Fat chance.

424 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:25:09am

re: #415 sagehen

I'm hearing from both left and right wing that there's nothing secret about the left-wing agenda pro-Obama nonstealth advertising.

I have to agree -- struck me as pretty obvious, and I'm usually the last to notice these things.

I think any inspirational advertising for Chrysler will be read as being pro-Obama given the context of today's political climate. David Axelrod's Tweet last night also helped to promote that idea. I'm having a little trouble reading "left wing" into this since Obama is a Democrat and not left-wing. Chrysler is also not a "left wing" operation.

425 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:26:57am

re: #422 oaktree

But wouldn't an internet equivalent of the TVA and Rural Electrification simply be a socialist plot to expand leftist propaganda and atheism to contaminate the Heartland?
//

Yes. That makes it a great reason to put it in.

a) it benefits the nation.
b) It gives the opposition another source of constant complaint around which they can rally the faithful, along with health care and right to contraceptives and mandatory vaccinations and...

426 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:27:00am

In a related story, GM is set to report a record profit - $8 billion (net income).

It will be interesting to see what the company does with that kind of coin. Will it be used to buy back stock from the feds; profit share with the workers; build up rainy day fund; combination of above; or some completely different path.

427 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:27:21am

And the funny part is that Chrysler and their subsidiary group products are most popular with people towards the right of the political spectrum.

428 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:29:16am

re: #420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! Let's make fun of NJHF! It'll take him an hour to respond to ANYTHING!

Same with me ,, although thats due to my finely tuned hunt-and-peck typing skills

(that ,, and damn clients calling all the time interrupting my LGF time at work!!)

429 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:29:40am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Well my DSL company finally cut off the service. They are out of business and I am back to dial-up at home. Grrr.

Bummer. Damn, it's even hard to remember back when I had dial up. Waiting 15 minutes for a 5 minute video clip to buffer. I feel for you.

430 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:30:02am

re: #424 Gus 802

I think any inspirational advertising for Chrysler will be read as being pro-Obama given the context of today's political climate. David Axelrod's Tweet last night also helped to promote that idea. I'm having a little trouble reading "left wing" into this since Obama is a Democrat and not left-wing. Chrysler is also not a "left wing" operation.

They want to sell cars, and you can't do that in an economy that's been wrecked to provide a 'Waterloo'.

431 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:30:09am

re: #426 lawhawk

In a related story, GM is set to report a record profit - $8 billion (net income).

It will be interesting to see what the company does with that kind of coin. Will it be used to buy back stock from the feds; profit share with the workers; build up rainy day fund; combination of above; or some completely different path.

How about executive bonuses as they pat themselves on the back for making such a quick recovery using their own bootstraps?
//

432 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:31:02am

re: #419 Obdicut

We really need a rural connectivity program.

Socialist!
/

433 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:31:27am

re: #430 Decatur Deb

They want to sell cars, and you can't do that in an economy that's been wrecked to provide a 'Waterloo'.

Why not hire the UK to area bomb our industries in order to provide us something to rebuild? JOB CREATION!
///

434 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:31:49am

re: #426 lawhawk

In a related story, GM is set to report a record profit - $8 billion (net income).

It will be interesting to see what the company does with that kind of coin. Will it be used to buy back stock from the feds; profit share with the workers; build up rainy day fund; combination of above; or some completely different path.

One (Chrysler or GM) announced 1,500 dollar bonuses last night--for hourly workers. Commie rats.

435 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:32:47am

re: #430 Decatur Deb

They want to sell cars, and you can't do that in an economy that's been wrecked to provide a 'Waterloo'.

I'm still scratching my head about the demographics of Dodge Ram owners. Dodge being a subsidiary of Chrysler. I mean you don't see metropolitan Democrat voter hipsters talking about how much they want to buy a Chrysler. ;)

436 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:33:59am
437 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:34:59am

re: #435 Gus 802

I'm still scratching my head about the demographics of Dodge Ram owners. Dodge being a subsidiary of Chrysler. I mean you don't see metropolitan Democrat voter hipsters talking about how much they want to buy a Chrysler. ;)

Don't worry. Nobody understands Dodge Ram owners.

;)

438 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:35:24am

re: #435 Gus 802

I'm still scratching my head about the demographics of Dodge Ram owners. Dodge being a subsidiary of Chrysler. I mean you don't see metropolitan Democrat voter hipsters talking about how much they want to buy a Chrysler. ;)

We small-town Dems have a Chrysler minivan. It has given good service, but I hate any contact with their bandit maintenance process.

439 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:35:39am

re: #437 thedopefishlives

Don't worry. Nobody understands Dodge Ram owners.

;)

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440 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:36:28am

re: #437 thedopefishlives

Don't worry. Nobody understands Dodge Ram owners.

;)

True. But the Lizardim rate them higher than the Subaru owners.
:E

441 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:37:00am

re: #440 oaktree

True. But the Lizardim rate them higher than the Subaru owners.
:E

Subaru! Don't get me started.

//

442 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:37:41am

re: #438 Decatur Deb

We small-town Dems have a Chrysler minivan. It has given good service, but I hate any contact with their bandit maintenance process.

I try to avoid the stealer whenever possible when performing any kind of service on a vehicle I own. I'm sufficiently mechanically inclined that I can get away with it for all but the worst offenses.

443 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:40:03am

re: #442 thedopefishlives

I try to avoid the stealer whenever possible when performing any kind of service on a vehicle I own. I'm sufficiently mechanically inclined that I can get away with it for all but the worst offenses.

I'm good with carbs and Kettering ignition. Hardly do more than oil/brakes on anything post-1980.

444 sagehen  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:41:01am

re: #426 lawhawk

In a related story, GM is set to report a record profit - $8 billion (net income).

It will be interesting to see what the company does with that kind of coin. Will it be used to buy back stock from the feds; profit share with the workers; build up rainy day fund; combination of above; or some completely different path.

Among other things, they're giving the hourly workers -- all 26,000 of them -- $1500 bonuses.

445 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:41:34am

re: #443 Decatur Deb

I'm good with carbs and Kettering ignition. Hardly do more than oil/brakes on anything post-1980.

I'm learning my way around modern EFI systems. Only problem is that the hardware interface is expensive and not something I'm going to be able to pick up any time soon. My next project is something a little simpler; the vacuum pump (brake power assist) on my '84 Volkswagen.

446 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:42:01am

Why do people still use Photobucket?

//

447 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:42:59am

re: #429 Killgore Trout

Bummer. Damn, it's even hard to remember back when I had dial up. Waiting 15 minutes for a 5 minute video clip to buffer. I feel for you.

I hooked it up on Saturday night. My DSL was pretty bad at times anyway. I'll just have to wait for another company to come out to our county to get high speed again.

448 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:43:08am

re: #444 sagehen

Among other things, they're giving the hourly workers -- all 26,000 of them -- $1500 bonuses.

Which is only $39,000,000. So they've still got some left over.

449 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:43:38am

re: #448 Obdicut

cc:

450 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:44:44am

re: #446 Gus 802

Why do people still use Photobucket?

//

For me because I already had folders there for a while. Plus I like their mass uploader for more images. (As compared to the Facebook one which crashes on me constantly.)

And given where I think Facebook is headed I feel no need to hand them content at this point.

451 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:46:25am

re: #445 thedopefishlives

I'm learning my way around modern EFI systems. Only problem is that the hardware interface is expensive and not something I'm going to be able to pick up any time soon. My next project is something a little simpler; the vacuum pump (brake power assist) on my '84 Volkswagen.

The brakes will be pretty much bolt-on it they left you enough room to work. The bastard who designed our van made it necessary to remove a wheel and cut a hole in the wheel well to change the #5 spark plug. That seems to be the actual dealer's procedure.

452 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:46:35am

re: #450 oaktree

For me because I already had folders there for a while. Plus I like their mass uploader for more images. (As compared to the Facebook one which crashes on me constantly.)

And given where I think Facebook is headed I feel no need to hand them content at this point.

Ah. Just noticed your Photobucket link. Yeah. I was just wondering because I can't seem to be able to view photos when I do a Google search. I got to "view image" and nothing loads from the PB page.

453 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:46:40am

re: #443 Decatur Deb

I'm good with carbs and Kettering ignition. Hardly do more than oil/brakes on anything post-1980.

Meet me in Pawleys Island South Carolina in May. My Chevys carb needs fine tuning!

454 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:48:27am

re: #453 sattv4u2

Meet me in Pawleys Island South Carolina in May. My Chevys carb needs fine tuning!

Carburettor: French for "leave it the hell alone".

455 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:48:54am

re: #449 Gus 802

cc:

{hic}:

456 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:50:55am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

The brakes will be pretty much bolt-on it they left you enough room to work. The bastard who designed our van made it necessary to remove a wheel and cut a hole in the wheel well to change the #5 spark plug. That seems to be the actual dealer's procedure.

This is not as uncommon as you may think. When I went to fix the horn on the Volkswagen, I discovered that the previous owner had bolted an air horn to the wheel well. In this particular location, however, the mounting bolt was completely inaccessible except by strapping a midget to a 2x4 and threading him up between two panels of sheet metal. I chose to mount the new horn in a different, more accessible location.

457 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:51:32am

re: #452 Gus 802

Ah. Just noticed your Photobucket link. Yeah. I was just wondering because I can't seem to be able to view photos when I do a Google search. I got to "view image" and nothing loads from the PB page.

If you found the link you might find the albums for Aberdeen and a few other locations interesting. At some point I need to scan in a bunch of photos from an airshow in 1993. (Which include a flying Lancaster.)

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:52:14am

re: #453 sattv4u2

I remember a local radio ad from the 70's. "(some service station) keeps your filters filting, you're carburetor carbing, and your pistons... well..."

459 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:52:23am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

Out of business? Wow, that hurts.

They were given money from the Feds to bring high speed internet out into rural areas where cable and DSL internet is not available. The internet came over the power lines and is based out of Alabama. Last years tornadoes in Alabama wiped out a portion of their customers and since they aren't able to make the quota the government is requiring they lost funding and shut down.

460 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:53:49am

re: #459 NJDhockeyfan

They were given money from the Feds to bring high speed internet out into rural areas where cable and DSL internet is not available. The internet came over the power lines and is based out of Alabama. Last years tornadoes in Alabama wiped out a portion of their customers and since they aren't able to make the quota the government is requiring they lost funding and shut down.

You socialist you. Leeching off our tax dollars!

Good thing Mother Nature brought your scheme to an end!

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:59:28am

re: #459 NJDhockeyfan

The government didn't know about the tornados? Kinda heartless, don'tcha think?

462 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:01:29am

I had completely forgotten that today was Queen Elizabeth's Diamond Jubilee. God save the queen.

463 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:02:44am

re: #462 thedopefishlives

I had completely forgotten that today was Queen Elizabeth's Diamond Jubilee. God save the queen.

dammit,,, too late to send a card

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:03:49am

This is from last April...

The WSJ explains:

The U.S. government plans to sell a significant share of its remaining stake in General Motors Co. this summer despite the disappointing performance of the auto maker’s stock, people familiar with the matter said.
A sale within the next several months would almost certainly mean U.S. taxpayers will take a loss on their $50 billion rescue of the Detroit auto maker in 2009.
To break even, the U.S. Treasury would need to sell its remaining stake—about 500 million shares—at $53 apiece. GM closed off 27 cents a share at $29.97 in 4 p.m. trading Monday on the New York Stock Exchange, hitting a new low since its $33-a-share November initial public offering.
“Planning for the sale of our remaining GM stock is still at an early stage, and the IPO lock-up does not expire until late May,” a Treasury spokesperson said. “At that point, we will consider all of our options, based on our twin goals of protecting taxpayers’ interests and exiting as soon as practicable.”

Anybody know what happened with that?

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:05:32am

By the way, Eli just doesn't look like an athlete.

Peyton does, Eli, just doesn't.

466 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:08:14am

re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, Eli just doesn't look like an athlete.

Peyton does, Eli, just doesn't.

He may not look it, but he certainly plays the part.

467 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:09:01am

re: #463 sattv4u2

dammit,,, too late to send a card

Or Irish confetti.
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468 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:09:17am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The government didn't know about the tornados? Kinda heartless, don'tcha think?

That's what I was thinking and talking to a supervisor over there a few weeks ago he said they all feel that way.

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:10:02am

re: #468 NJDhockeyfan

That's what I was thinking and talking to a supervisor over there a few weeks ago he said they all feel that way.

Rarely does management change expectations.

470 William of Orange  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:10:35am

Jalopnik:

Why did the NFL make Youtube take down Clint Eastwood's Chrysler ad?

Of last night's commercials, Chrysler's Clint Eastwood ad was undoubtably one of the best. So why did the NFL claim copyright on the video and force YouTube to pull it down this morning? UPDATE!

The YouTube version of the ad was uploaded to Chrysler's account right around when the spot first aired last night and was racking up serious views. Then, this morning, the video was pulled due to a "copyright claim by NFL Properties LLC."

Since the ad contained no video of any NFL games (you can still see the spot here) the reasoning is unclear. Contacted this morning, an equally confused Chrysler rep said they were trying to get to the bottom of it and had uploaded it elsewhere.

Is this a case of SOPA abuse??

471 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:12:39am

re: #470 William of Orange

Jalopnik:

Why did the NFL make Youtube take down Clint Eastwood's Chrysler ad?

Is this a case of SOPA abuse??

Lawyer stuff. Someone probably didn't read a contract.

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:13:18am

re: #470 William of Orange

I'm nonplussed about the whole situation.

473 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:13:28am

re: #470 William of Orange

Jalopnik:

Why did the NFL make Youtube take down Clint Eastwood's Chrysler ad?


Is this a case of SOPA abuse??

Maybe the NFL has a trademark on the word "Halftime".
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474 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:14:00am

re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm nonplussed about the whole situation.

No updings for you!

(LENO!!)

475 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:15:32am

re: #470 William of Orange

Youtube seems to be dropping videos at the drop of a hat, without really investigating. Also any single "inappropriate" report and they yank any monetized ads, even if the video is innocuous.

476 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:16:33am

re: #470 William of Orange

Jalopnik:

Why did the NFL make Youtube take down Clint Eastwood's Chrysler ad?

Is this a case of SOPA abuse??

Yeah I was wondering about that this morning. Chrysler had the ad up on their Youtube page but it was taken down. I just take this all as another sign that the NFL is run by a bunch of douche bags. It will probably keep getting uploaded by every other person in the mean time and the NFL is fighting a losing battle.

477 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:16:46am

re: #475 Rightwingconspirator

Youtube seems to be dropping videos at the drop of a hat, without really investigating. Also any single "inappropriate" report and they yank any monetized ads, even if the video is innocuous.

This is pretty much Google's response to the DMCA. They would rather pull something in response to an invalid DMCA claim than be held liable for copyright infringement for delaying while demanding proof of copyright ownership.

478 Petero1818  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:17:45am

re: #463 sattv4u2

dammit,,, too late to send a card

Speaking of the Queen and late greeting cards...In Canada, when one turns the ripe old age of 100, you get a birthday greeting from the Queen herself. It is an odd but nice thing for that age group that typically has some fondness for the Monarchy. My Grandmother passed away 4 days short of her 100th Birthday. While we were sitting shiva we got this nice card and certificate from the Queen wishing her well on the happy occasion.

479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:19:05am

re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm nonplussed about the whole situation.

re: #474 oaktree

No updings for you!

(LENO!!)

It means what I think it means.

480 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:19:34am

re: #478 Petero1818

In the UK, you have to actually apply in order to get the telemessage.

481 Petero1818  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:21:36am

re: #480 Obdicut

In the UK, you have to actually apply in order to get the telemessage.

I would have thought so here too. It comes by snail mail. Perhaps someone else in our family applied, I don't recall. Certainly not me.

482 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:23:31am

re: #479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #474 oaktree


It means what I think it means.

Grammar abuse done for humorous intent only. My apologies.

483 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:24:50am
484 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:25:20am

re: #478 Petero1818

Speaking of the Queen and late greeting cards...In Canada, when one turns the ripe old age of 100, you get a birthday greeting from the Queen herself. It is an odd but nice thing for that age group that typically has some fondness for the Monarchy. My Grandmother passed away 4 days short of her 100th Birthday. While we were sitting shiva we got this nice card and certificate from the Queen wishing her well on the happy occasion.

Makes one wonder what her hourly rate is for sitting there and signing those cards every day.
;)

485 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:26:30am

re: #483 Lidane

Well, what is there to actually like about Romney? What is there he's actually done, that he's not now repudiating?

486 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:26:36am

re: #470 William of Orange

Jalopnik:

Why did the NFL make Youtube take down Clint Eastwood's Chrysler ad?

Is this a case of SOPA abuse??

How can there be SOPA abuse without SOPA?

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:28:52am

Oh! Don't forget the Audi Vampire commercial. It was hysterical.

488 zora  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:28:59am

re: #424 Gus 802

I think any inspirational advertising for Chrysler will be read as being pro-Obama given the context of today's political climate. David Axelrod's Tweet last night also helped to promote that idea. I'm having a little trouble reading "left wing" into this since Obama is a Democrat and not left-wing. Chrysler is also not a "left wing" operation.

if you cheer for america while obama is president then you are left wing? if you cheer when america doesn't get the olympics or has a poor jobs report, then you are patriotic./

489 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:30:02am

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The feds still own significant numbers of GM stock, and it still will require GM stock price being above 55 to break even on the bailout. As it stands, the stock price is $26.33 (which is below the $33 offer price when the stock was reissued following the reorganization). So, while the feds want to get out of the ownership position, doing so would mean a loss for taxpayers at this point. It becomes a question of fiduciary responsibility and political promises.

Get out of GM because the politicians promised to do so (sticking taxpayers with a multibillion dollar loss - and bad optics, especially in light of the big profits now reaped by the company), or stay in and hope the stock price rebounds to the point where the stock can be sold off for less of a loss, or even eke out a profit on the deal. I think the politics will prevail, but in the grand scheme, those working for GM will take it.

490 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:30:20am

re: #477 thedopefishlives

This is pretty much Google's response to the DMCA. They would rather pull something in response to an invalid DMCA claim than be held liable for copyright infringement for delaying while demanding proof of copyright ownership.

Yeah, this. YouTube has so much hourly traffic that they can't track everything and investigating each copyright infringement claim would take ages. They pull first and ask questions later just as a matter of course.

491 zora  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:30:29am

re: #436 Gus 802

Conservative Blogger Ed Morrissey Endorses Santorum

That's funny.

michelle malkin endorsed him, too.

492 William of Orange  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:30:34am

re: #486 Sergey Romanov

How can there be SOPA abuse without SOPA?

True, SOPA is not in effect yet, but this is something that would become very easy step for any organization which objects to certain material. Youtube films would be yanked before any investigation. Just to annoy a competitor you could pull this trick. Chrysler uploaded this clip themselves so I guess they are at least the owners of the content. How in the hell was the NFL able to convince Youtube to get the clip offline in the first place without being a party in the whole thing?

493 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:31:30am

re: #490 Lidane

Yeah, this. YouTube has so much hourly traffic that they can't track everything and investigating each copyright infringement claim would take ages. They pull first and ask questions later just as a matter of course.

It sucks, and it's one of the reasons I don't like the DMCA, but it's better than YouTube just plain not existing due to an avalanche of copyright lawsuits.

494 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:32:35am

re: #492 William of Orange

It's already happening often under DMCA, without any SOPA.

495 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:37:56am

re: #473 oaktree

Maybe the NFL has a trademark on the word "Halftime".
///

Like Susan G. Komen has on the color "Pink"

496 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:39:48am

re: #485 Obdicut

Well, what is there to actually like about Romney? What is there he's actually done, that he's not now repudiating?

Well, true. The base hates everything Romney's done, so he has to run against his own record to get them on board. His own supporters reject things like his "self-deportation" rhetoric and they all facepalmed over his comments about the very poor.

The base also hates this Eastwood commercial because they think it's a pro-Obama ad and Clint is an evil RINO for fronting an auto bailout ad. Or something. They're just not a happy bunch of people.

497 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:40:20am

re: #494 Sergey Romanov

I watch a guy who does "Let's Plays" on Youtube.

I've seen videos of his pulled because some asshole would decide to file a fake/fraudulent DCMA notice/whatever it's called.

499 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:48:19am

re: #497 ProLifeLiberal

I watch a guy who does "Let's Plays" on Youtube.

I've seen videos of his pulled because some asshole would decide to file a fake/fraudulent DCMA notice/whatever it's called.

I've seen that on BoardGameGeek. Someone made a video on how to play a game seeking to help others who want to play it and posted it on YouTube. Got yanked due to a DMCA claim by the manufacturer of the game, so the guy simply refuses to waste time attempting to do the same for any other of their distributed games.

Sounds like some sort of robo-search of YouTube or other open content sites. If reference found the kneejerk reaction is to file DMCA or whatever is appropriate to get the content pulled without making any attempt to see what the context of the reference is. Results in loss of sales, fanbase, and a general belief that your company is a bunch of jerks in various circles.

500 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:51:27am

re: #497 ProLifeLiberal

What makes this particular situation odd is that we're talking about re-running advertising for a company. That's free publicity for Chrysler, and yet the NFL (aka the no-fun-league) apparently has a copyright violation request in with YouTube, so they've pulled it. Seems to me that someone at NFL is overzealous in that regards, and that the ad will eventually be reposted. It is available through MSNBC and some other outlets though.

501 KronoGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:51:38am

Klinghoffer justifies Republicans rejecting science by rejecting science.

502 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:53:09am

re: #499 oaktree

That's more or less the gist of it. The best example of this behavior is that which culminated in the lawsuit Viacom v. YouTube. Viacom basically wanted YouTube shut down because they found so much "infringing material". What they failed to mention was that much of it was uploaded by - you guessed it - Viacom itself. They also failed to demonstrate that Google had not acted in accordance with the DMCA safe harbor provision. They are currently appealing the summary judgement ruling against them.

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:59:21am

re: #500 lawhawk

1. Get a lot of talk about your super-bowl ad before you run it.
2. Cancel your spot on the super-bowl.
3. Release the spot on YouTube at the half during the super-bowl.
4. Get a gazillion hits.
5. PROFIT!
(i forgot)
6. Wait for NFL to sue you.

505 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:07:53am

Occupy Oakland Plans "Anti-Police" Day of Action

OAKLAND, Calif. -- Occupy Oakland protesters are planning more demonstrations against police and are pledging to fill city courtrooms during upcoming hearings.

Organizers have called for a so-called "Day of Action" to start Monday morning in the movement's ongoing conflict with police over tactics used during earlier protests.

A rally scheduled for noon in front of Oakland City Hall is scheduled to feature recently jailed protesters speaking out against police.

Activists also say they will pack courtrooms during morning and afternoon hearings where they say attorneys working with Occupy Oakland will present evidence of unlawful arrests.

A late January clash between protesters and police in which City Hall was vandalized and an American flag burned led to more than 400 arrests.

506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:12:26am

re: #505 NJDhockeyfan

Good luck with that.

507 Flounder  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:14:04am

Yay! Super bowl party leftovers for lunch!
Can't let it go to waste!
Spinach dip, its what for lunch.

508 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:15:39am

re: #507 Shropshire_Slasher

Yay! Super bowl party leftovers for lunch!
Can't let it go to waste!
Spinach dip, its what for lunch.

I made meatballs stuffed with cheese and bacon, salmon cakes, and bacon wrapped mini dogs. I am looking forward to dinner tonight.

509 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:16:55am
510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:19:55am

I found out last night (didn't feel well at half-time) that my "bar" makes the waffle fries in the same oil in which they deep fry meat stuff.

Made me feel a little bit sick.

Have you ever seen a healthy-looking vegetarian? They look like shit! They're all gaunt and yellow. After a while, their bodies become intolerant of other things. I'll give you an example: I was out to lunch with a comedian friend of mine, and later in the day he said- and I quote- "I feel nauseous and I have a headache. That soup I had must have had beef broth in it." Your system's kickin' back broth? You're a manly man, aren't you?
-Ron White

511 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:20:50am

re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good luck with that.

I wonder how they will explain vandalizing City Hall, injuring police with bottles, rocks, burning flares, and a bicycle "evidence of unlawful arrests".

512 Kragar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:21:18am
513 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:21:26am

What I made for the superbowl:

Slow smoked pork ribs (used pecan wood) with a sweet and spicy dry rub which I finished off on the grill with some sauce

Carne asada i started marinating the night before

Corn on the cob grilled with lemon, butter and seasonings

Taco dip.

514 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:22:45am

re: #508 NJDhockeyfan

I made meatballs stuffed with cheese and bacon, salmon cakes, and bacon wrapped mini dogs. I am looking forward to dinner tonight.

My mother-in-law brought over these awesomely seasoned chuck steaks that we cut up for sliders. She left us with a big slab that I intend on eating for dinner tonight.

515 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:23:26am

re: #512 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

McDonnell: Economy Improving Thanks To GOP Governors, Not Obama

Like Walker and Scott?

And Kasich.

516 Flounder  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:23:44am

No double dipping allowed!!

517 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:25:00am

re: #512 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

McDonnell: Economy Improving Thanks To GOP Governors, Not Obama

Like Walker and Scott?

They're amusingly desperate.

518 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:26:38am

Two terrorist organizations have formed a partnership...

Palestinians announce agreement for unity government

REPORTING FROM JERUSALEM -- Palestinian factions said Monday they had broken a political impasse by agreeing to make Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas head of a proposed unity government between the secular Fatah Party and the Islamist militant movement Hamas.

Abbas would serve as president and prime minister, replacing current Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who was favored by Abbas and the international community to continue in that role but was rejected by Hamas leaders as being too pro-Western.

As president, Abbas was already in a position to play a leading role in the unity government, which was announced in May 2011. The government was never formed due to political in-fighting between Hamas and Fatah.

The appointment of Abbas, the leader of Fatah, to the additional role of prime minister is a shift from the original agreement, which called for a nonpartisan government of technocrats from neither party.

Now they can share their collection of rockets, bombs, and other weapons with each other.

519 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:26:50am

NFL asks Google to reinstate Chrysler's "Halftime in America" ad

Just got word from an NFL spokesman that the NFL did not ask Google/Youtube to take down Chrysler's popular "Halftime in America" commercial, featuring Clint Eastwood.

From NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy moments ago, via email to me: "The NFL did not file a copyright complaint about this ad with Google. We have asked Google to reinstate the ad immediately. Google is looking into why the ad was removed."

520 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:26:57am

re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, Eli just doesn't look like an athlete.

Peyton does, Eli, just doesn't.

Yeah, well, Abraham Lincoln didn't look particularly presidential.

521 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:27:53am

re: #518 NJDhockeyfan

I give that until the first conflict before Hamas starts murdering Fatah guys again.

522 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:28:03am
523 allegro  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:30:23am

What I made for the superbowl: nothing.

What I made for dinner: New England Clam Chowder and Tuna/Egg Salad on whole wheat toast which I enjoyed while watching several episodes of History's Mysteries on Netflix.

Quite a lovely evening overall.

524 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:30:54am

re: #521 Obdicut

I give that until the first conflict before Hamas starts murdering Fatah guys again.

They were arresting each other's representative just last week. It's an impossible arrangement. All it really acomplishes is it puts the final nail in the coffin of the already dead peace talks with Israel. Any negotiations involving Hamas are pointless.

525 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:31:48am
526 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:32:23am

re: #518 NJDhockeyfan

So the Hatfields and the McCoys called a cease-fire? Pffft. It won't last. I give it a week, tops.

527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:32:56am

re: #519 Lidane

NFL doesn't like push-back.

528 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:34:52am

re: #522 Alouette

The world's tiniest violin plays for her and Tom. Apparently she's allowed to show emotion while Brady's far more circumspect about the dropped passes and misthrown balls down the stretch.

Thing is - Brady's receivers caught everything thrown through most of the 2d and 3d quarter, and then couldn't catch stuff that was free and clear in the 4th.

I'm sure that some people will say this is more fallout from Spygate, but I just think that the Giants executed better in the 4th than the Pats did.

529 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:35:42am

re: #526 Lidane

So the Hatfields and the McCoys called a cease-fire? Pffft. It won't last. I give it a week, tops.

Their love of murder is too much for them for them to stop it.

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:35:43am

re: #522 Alouette

Gisele Bundchen is pissed.

But just before she got into the elevator, she let out a curse word while complaining that Brady can't throw the ball and catch it at the same time. She was seemingly referring to any one of several key dropped passes late in the game

She has a point, there.

531 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:36:08am

re: #528 lawhawk

The world's tiniest violin plays for her and Tom. Apparently she's allowed to show emotion while Brady's far more circumspect about the dropped passes and misthrown balls down the stretch.

Thing is - Brady's receivers caught everything thrown through most of the 2d and 3d quarter, and then couldn't catch stuff that was free and clear in the 4th.

I'm sure that some people will say this is more fallout from Spygate, but I just think that the Giants executed better in the 4th than the Pats did.

Wait--you mean the team that wins is the team that plays better?

Interesting concept.

532 Kragar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:36:39am

re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

NFL doesn't like push-back.

The NFL is a bunch of whiney bitches who've turned a kids game into a billion dollar racket.

533 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:36:50am

Manningham's catch was absolutely spectacular.

534 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:37:35am

re: #532 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The NFL is a bunch of whiney bitches who've turned a kids game into a billion dollar racket.

A ray of fucking sunshine appears.

535 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:37:53am

re: #518 NJDhockeyfan

Still doesn't address the need for elections and how they'll deal with the fact that Hamas is still unrepentant about refusing to recognize Israel for anything other than target practice.

One does have to wonder though whether events in Syria are getting Hamas leaders wondering whether they're going to come into a money crunch of their own because their benefactors are getting squeezed in both Damascus and Tehran.

And none of this means a peace deal with Israel is forthcoming.

536 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:38:00am

re: #533 Alouette

Manningham's catch was absolutely spectacular.

That, along with Brady's rare miscue on their first play of the game and the hilarious didn't-want-a-touchdown touchdown by Bradshaw, made the game unique, in my view. Many of my FB friends say it was boring, but I think those moments say otherwise.

537 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:39:24am

re: #536 thedopefishlives

That, along with Brady's rare miscue on their first play of the game and the hilarious didn't-want-a-touchdown touchdown by Bradshaw, made the game unique, in my view. Many of my FB friends say it was boring, but I think those moments say otherwise.

That will be a classic for years to come. Wanted to take it up to the one-yard line and fell on his ass in the end zone BY MISTAKE!

538 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:39:35am

re: #535 lawhawk

Still doesn't address the need for elections and how they'll deal with the fact that Hamas is still unrepentant about refusing to recognize Israel for anything other than target practice.

One does have to wonder though whether events in Syria are getting Hamas leaders wondering whether they're going to come into a money crunch of their own because their benefactors are getting squeezed in both Damascus and Tehran.

And none of this means a peace deal with Israel is forthcoming.

Yet Israel will continually get the blame for it as usual.

539 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:39:47am

re: #537 Alouette

That will be a classic for years to come. Wanted to take it up to the one-yard line and fell on his ass in the end zone BY MISTAKE!

That was funny.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:39:47am

re: #533 Alouette

Manningham's catch was absolutely spectacular.

Such control... magnificent.

I was pulling for a good game. Didn't really have a dog in the hunt. Got one (a good game, I mean)... ish... I prefer the games that end in the sixties on the over under.

541 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:41:04am

re: #537 Alouette

That will be a classic for years to come. Wanted to take it up to the one-yard line and fell on his ass in the end zone BY MISTAKE!

After the game, Eli Manning said that he saw the D-line stand up and he yelled at Bradshaw, "Don't score! Don't score!"

542 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:41:45am

Sometimes the multiple concurrent discussions intersect in interesting ways.

I just found myself wondering why Israel is going to be blamed because someone fell on his butt in the end zone during the Superbowl.

543 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:41:59am

Football season is over, hockey season is steaming toward the playoffs (and the Devils are on fire since the all star break), and baseball season is just around the corner. Go Cubs!

544 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:42:04am

Oh look Rove being a douche.

Rove blasts Eastwood ad

545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:42:15am

re: #537 Alouette

Would have been funny had he gained control and just stood there on the 1 inch line and reached the ball across the goal line when someone finally got the nerve to tackle him.

He may have ran ten more seconds off the clock.

546 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:43:58am

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Would have been funny had he gained control and just stood there on the 1 inch line and reached the ball across the goal line when someone finally got the nerve to tackle him.

He may have ran ten more seconds off the clock.

The commentators mentioned that one of the D-line looked like he was breaking off to try to push Bradshaw into the end zone. I thought they fired people for scoring on their own goal.

547 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:44:52am

Creepy danger warning in the UK...

Is Al-Qaeda preparing British women bombers?

LONDON: Al-Qaeda is trying to recruit women for carrying out suicide bombings in Britain, parliament members have warned in a report.

The terrorist group is using extremist websites to radicalise the "angels of death", the Daily Sun quoted MPs as stating in their report.

As per the Commons home affairs committee, it has heard evidence that the terror group is "specifically launching and targeting women for violent acts".

The MPs' panel report comes days after four Islamic extremists admitted plotting to bomb the London Stock Exchange.

548 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:46:45am

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Would have been funny had he gained control and just stood there on the 1 inch line and reached the ball across the goal line when someone finally got the nerve to tackle him.

He may have ran ten more seconds off the clock.

It must be hard to resist scoring a touchdown while standing on the 1 foot line during the Superbowl.

549 Kragar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:47:23am

Romney Campaign Spins Low Turn Out: Voters Staying At Home Secretly Support Romney

With just 33,000 voters showing up to the Nevada caucuses on Saturday, Republicans may be quietly concerned about a lack of enthusiasm for their candidates — and especially front-runner Mitt Romney — after another primary state produces lower-than-expected turnout.

But not former New Hampshire governor John Sununu. The Romney campaign surrogate appeared on MSNBC this morning and offered a novel interpretation of the low figures:

SUNUNU: In an odd sense when turnout is down, contrary to what you are hearing, people are satisfied with the winning and the candidate that’s winning. They are satisfied with Mitt Romney.

Riiight.

550 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:48:33am

re: #549 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney Campaign Spins Low Turn Out: Voters Staying At Home Secretly Support Romney

Riiight.

More likely that all the voters staying home are Democrats.

551 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:49:01am

re: #533 Alouette

Manningham's catch was absolutely spectacular.

And on the topic of Manningham's catch, they've already coined the term for it: The Super Mario. No word yet on whether Nintendo Corp. is pleased at this development.

552 Kragar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:51:08am

re: #550 Alouette

More likely that all the voters staying home are Democrats.

I think they were talking only about registered GOP voters

553 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:51:23am

Nice to see the current dictator in Syria following in the footsteps of the previous dictator. Bashar al-Assad is busy filling the shoes of his dad Hafez, who used the same kind of tactics to crush those opposed to his regime.

We saw it 30 years ago when Hafez razed the town of Hama, killing tens of thousands of people, primarily members of the Muslim Brotherhood, who rose against the regime. Now, Bashar's loyalists are murdering people all across the country who have dared oppose the regime in peaceful protests, which has led to defections in the security forces - escalating the violence significantly.

554 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:52:30am

re: #544 Gus 802

Oh look Rove being a douche.

Rove blasts Eastwood ad

[Video]

Of course!
If the auto industry hadn't of been bailed out, they would be gone. And the economy would be even worse.
The GOP was on the wrong side of history, as usual, on the auto bailouts.

555 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:53:04am

re: #553 lawhawk

Nice to see the current dictator in Syria following in the footsteps of the previous dictator. Bashar al-Assad is busy filling the shoes of his dad Hafez, who used the same kind of tactics to crush those opposed to his regime.

We saw it 30 years ago when Hafez razed the town of Hama, killing tens of thousands of people, primarily members of the Muslim Brotherhood, who rose against the regime. Now, Bashar's loyalists are murdering people all across the country who have dared oppose the regime in peaceful protests, which has led to defections in the security forces - escalating the violence significantly.

Why hasn't NATO entered in to help the Syrian citizens like they did in Libya and Egypt?

556 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:56:47am

re: #555 NJDhockeyfan

Why hasn't NATO entered in to help the Syrian citizens like they did in Libya and Egypt?

Russia and China.

557 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:57:21am

re: #556 Varek Raith

Russia and China.

That's the UN.

558 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:57:28am

re: #525 Gus 802

Interesting.

I suspect a lot of finger-pointing is going on in some back email channels.

559 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:58:19am

re: #557 thedopefishlives

That's the UN.

It's more than just the UN.
;)

560 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:58:23am

re: #554 Varek Raith

Of course!
If the auto industry hadn't of been bailed out, they would be gone. And the economy would be even worse.
The GOP was on the wrong side of history, as usual, on the auto bailouts.

I love the simple fact that this ad has lead to a great deal of butthurt on the part of the GOP.

561 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:58:35am

re: #530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She has a point, there.

Ah. So she has been taking pointers from Kurt Warner's wife in the last two weeks?

562 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:00:09am

Realpolitik is a bitch.

563 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:01:00am

re: #560 Gus 802

I love the simple fact that this ad has lead to a great deal of butthurt on the part of the GOP.

Wingnut tears, they make a great marinade for gamey troll buttocks.

564 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:01:07am

re: #537 Alouette

That will be a classic for years to come. Wanted to take it up to the one-yard line and fell on his ass in the end zone BY MISTAKE!

If you were here last night you got to see a Lizard say that no defense would let a team score just to get more time for their counter-drive - right as NE let Bradshaw score.

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:02:42am

re: #548 NJDhockeyfan

It must be hard to resist scoring a touchdown while standing on the 1 foot line during the Superbowl.

Can you imagine?

566 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:03:18am

re: #542 EmmmieG

Sometimes the multiple concurrent discussions intersect in interesting ways.

I just found myself wondering why Israel is going to be blamed because someone fell on his butt in the end zone during the Superbowl.

The PA is desperately in need of funds and had a considerable amount wagered on New England.
//

567 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:03:45am

re: #564 oaktree

If you were here last night you got to see a Lizard say that no defense would let a team score just to get more time for their counter-drive - right as NE let Bradshaw score.

Heh. Not only did it happen last night, but the New England linebacker told ESPN that he's had it happen in another game, too. Which is why he didn't flinch at his coach when Belichick made the call to have his defense stand up and let the touchdown happen.

568 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:04:09am

Ha! Coughlan at Youtube made a video linking to LGF.

Pamela Geller is still Evil

569 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:05:17am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you imagine?

Your in the Superbowl, have to ball, and are standing at the goal line with your quarterback yelling 'Don't score!"...what do you do?

570 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:05:53am

re: #569 NJDhockeyfan

Your in the Superbowl, have to ball, and are standing at the goal line with your quarterback yelling 'Don't score!"...what do you do?

Throw the ball at the QB.

571 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:05:55am

re: #569 NJDhockeyfan

Your in the Superbowl, have to ball, and are standing at the goal line with your quarterback yelling 'Don't score!"...what do you do?

One pictures one of those moments with an angel-you standing on one shoulder and a devil-you standing on the other. "Go in for the score!" "Nay, thou shalt not! Take a dive!"

572 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:06:03am

KosKidz very excited about this:And the Nobel Nominee is:Bradley Manning

I know many here will not appreciate his efforts to bring peace but I do. So do people outside the United States. His suffering at the hands of they very government that tried to cover up what he released says volumes about the misplaced priorities of our military.

This small action brings me hope that humanity will one day recognize the folly of war and the destruction it wreaks to individuals and society alike.

573 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:07:05am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

KosKidz very excited about this: And the Nobel Nominee is:Bradley ELI Manning

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:07:21am

re: #564 oaktree

Bing Crodny had called exactly what would happen back at #63.

575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:07:59am

re: #569 NJDhockeyfan

Your in the Superbowl, have to ball, and are standing at the goal line with your quarterback yelling 'Don't score!"...what do you do?

Fall on your butt in the end zone.

576 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:08:17am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

KosKidz very excited about this:And the Nobel Nominee is:Bradley Manning

That will probably make the evening news.

//

577 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:08:44am

re: #568 Gus 802

Ha! Coughlan at Youtube made a video linking to LGF.

Pamela Geller is still Evil

[Video]

DAMN!

578 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:09:01am

re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bing Crodny had called exactly what would happen back at #63.

I had actually never heard of such a thing happening before. When I realized what was going on (as Bradshaw was slowly toppling into the end zone), I was actually laughing. I hoped Bradshaw wouldn't have to regret scoring the go-ahead touchdown in the Super Bowl, if such a thing could be regrettable.

579 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:09:09am

re: #577 Varek Raith

DAMN!

Yeah he's a wild one. ;)

580 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:09:56am

re: #577 Varek Raith

DAMN!

Bunch of hits coming in.

581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:10:06am

re: #578 thedopefishlives

I had actually never heard of such a thing happening before. When I realized what was going on (as Bradshaw was slowly toppling into the end zone), I was actually laughing. I hoped Bradshaw wouldn't have to regret scoring the go-ahead touchdown in the Super Bowl, if such a thing could be regrettable.

In retrospect, I'm sure he's okay. But had Brady led the Pats to another TD? It'd be a bit different for him, I'm sure.

582 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:11:34am

re: #576 Gus 802

That will probably make the evening news.

//

Hell, I think he has a shot at winning. The Nobel committee has picked worse people in the past.

583 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:12:12am

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Hell, I think he has a shot at winning. The Nobel committee has picked worse people in the past.

*cough*Yasser Arafat*cough*

584 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:12:17am

re: #535 lawhawk

And none of this means a peace deal with Israel is forthcoming.

There will never be a peace deal. There's too much power involved in the conflict continuing forever, and not just for Hamas.

585 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:12:49am

re: #578 thedopefishlives

I had actually never heard of such a thing happening before. When I realized what was going on (as Bradshaw was slowly toppling into the end zone), I was actually laughing. I hoped Bradshaw wouldn't have to regret scoring the go-ahead touchdown in the Super Bowl, if such a thing could be regrettable.

I hang out on an IRC channel during football games and the concept comes up. It's a more esoteric level of game strategy when you start giving up points on purpose in order to gain a better position towards potentially winning the game. And the countervailing strategy to avoid scoring in order to improve one's chances.

Thus you get into intentional safeties, falling down on the one yard line, avoiding the end zone as long as possible (done in an Eagles game last year where a player ran along the 1-yard line a ways in order to use up time), etc.

586 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:12:52am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

Considering the very low bar for nominating someone for the Nobel Peace Prize, I'm surprised that at some time in the near future that it wont be on everyone's resume (Nobel Peace Prize nominee).

Just look at the process. Any one of the following can nominate:

1. Members of national assemblies and governments of states;
2. Members of international courts;
3. University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes;
4. Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
5. Board members of organizations who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
6. Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1) and
7. Former advisers appointed by the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
The Nobel Peace Prize may also be awarded to institutions and associations.

All it takes is one nutty professor to submit Manning's name, and boom - he's a "nominee".

587 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:14:41am

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Hell, I think he has a shot at winning. The Nobel committee has picked worse people in the past.

...

Hell the Nobel prize committee is run a bunch of elitist European socialists hell bent on undermining the sovereignty of these here United States of America and it would not surprise me in the least of they gave the Nobel peace prize to that Communist-secular Marxist homosexual spy Bradley Manning. Heck they already gave one to none other than Barrack Hussien Obama. They're just like that there United Nations and their damn hell blue helmets.

588 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:15:05am

re: #585 oaktree

I hang out on an IRC channel during football games and the concept comes up. It's a more esoteric level of game strategy when you start giving up points on purpose in order to gain a better position towards potentially winning the game. And the countervailing strategy to avoid scoring in order to improve one's chances.

Thus you get into intentional safeties, falling down on the one yard line, avoiding the end zone as long as possible (done in an Eagles game last year where a player ran along the 1-yard line a ways in order to use up time), etc.

I just read a column where the recommended strategy for the Giants would have been to just take a knee and force the timeout, then take the chip shot on 3rd down, leaving open the possibility of falling on the ball if the snap wasn't perfect.

589 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:16:20am

re: #581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right, because no one has ever fumbled on a goal line in a clutch situation, nor has anyone ever missed a chip shot field goal.

Sorry, but if I'm seeing the clear TD, I'm taking it - and then trusting in my defense to make the stop and seal the win. Belechik overthought that whole thing. Make the Giants beat him with a field goal (you have the lead after all that that point), but give the easy TD?

Also, consider that if the Giants wanted to run down the clock even more, they could have called a sweep right or left, but instead ran it up the middle. They wanted the score (and to keep the FG option going well, with a straight shot instead of on the hash side). Defense wants to give me a free TD? In the Super Bowl? I'm taking it.

590 BongGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:18:36am

re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bing Crodny had called exactly what would happen back at #63.

True, but I also said 18-17. While I thought the smarter play would be to give up the TD and then hope you can take it down the field, I also thought they'd do the same ol' thing that never seems to work: defend, and then put in a last ditch effort to try and block the field goal. Had they done that, there would have been no time to try for a matching field goal.

Welker probably should have caught that ball, but Mankins going offsides in a situation that tight was the killer: it gave the Giants another chance, and they took advantage of it.

591 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:19:42am

re: #589 lawhawk

Right, because no one has ever fumbled on a goal line in a clutch situation, nor has anyone ever missed a chip shot field goal.

Sorry, but if I'm seeing the clear TD, I'm taking it - and then trusting in my defense to make the stop and seal the win. Belechik overthought that whole thing. Make the Giants beat him with a field goal (you have the lead after all that that point), but give the easy TD?

Also, consider that if the Giants wanted to run down the clock even more, they could have called a sweep right or left, but instead ran it up the middle. They wanted the score (and to keep the FG option going well, with a straight shot instead of on the hash side). Defense wants to give me a free TD? In the Super Bowl? I'm taking it.

Fact is, despite a few hiccups on occasion (such as the 96-yard massive drive to end the half), the Giants hadn't done a half bad job of being all up in Brady's business. I would've been okay with putting my defense on the field with a minute to go. Burn some time? Sure, but make sure you get the score at the end.

592 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:21:59am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

KosKidz very excited about this:And the Nobel Nominee is:Bradley Manning

It's not hard to nominate someone for a Nobel.

593 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:22:53am

While we're on the Nobel Peace Prize butthurt here's some fodder for the wingnuts:

Nobel peace prize jury under investigation
Wed, Feb 1, 2012

STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) — Nobel Peace Prize officials were facing a formal inquiry over accusations they have drifted away from the prize's original selection criteria by choosing such winners as President Barack Obama, as the nomination deadline for the 2012 awards closed Wednesday...

594 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:23:49am

re: #593 Gus 802

While we're on the Nobel Peace Prize butthurt here's some fodder for the wingnuts:

Nobel peace prize jury under investigation
Wed, Feb 1, 2012

I have warm feelings toward Obama, I'm gonna vote for him again, but seriously, that Nobel was ridiculous.

595 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:24:47am

re: #594 SanFranciscoZionist

I have warm feelings toward Obama, I'm gonna vote for him again, but seriously, that Nobel was ridiculous.

Hey, he was president for a whole week. Didn't that qualify?

596 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:24:53am

re: #593 Gus 802

While we're on the Nobel Peace Prize butthurt here's some fodder for the wingnuts:

Nobel peace prize jury under investigation
Wed, Feb 1, 2012

Thing is, we all know the Nobel Peace Prize is effectively a joke. I don't begrudge Obama his award, but after they gave it to Yasser Arafat, of all people, I just have no respect for the Peace Prize anymore.

597 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:24:58am

re: #594 SanFranciscoZionist

I have warm feelings toward Obama, I'm gonna vote for him again, but seriously, that Nobel was ridiculous.

If it's already been established that the Nobel Peace Prize is a sham than why feed into the derangement.

598 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:27:20am

re: #592 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not hard to nominate someone for a Nobel.

Exactly. It would be very easy for a college professor to write a letter calling Lady GaGa or Dan Savage humanitarians and human rights advocates for their tireless LGBT activism and nominate them for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Winning is a whole other story. I highly doubt Manning would win. Vaclav Havel and Gandhi didn't win the Peace Prize and I'm supposed to believe that Bradley Manning has a chance? ROFL.

599 BongGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:35:05am

re: #596 thedopefishlives

Thing is, we all know the Nobel Peace Prize is effectively a joke. I don't begrudge Obama his award, but after they gave it to Yasser Arafat, of all people, I just have no respect for the Peace Prize anymore.

The great satirist of the 60's, Tom Lehrer, once said that political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

I'd amend that statement to include the Nobel as well.

600 labman57  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:42:27pm

The resurrection of the U.S. auto industry was good for middle class America, and as we have repeatedly observed over the past 3 years, if it is good for the vast majority of Americans, then it is bad for the GOP.


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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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