Video: Santorum Pines for the Days of ‘Shadow Abortions’ and Back-Alley Procedures

Sick bastard wishes for dead women
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Rick Santorum misses the days when women would die in horrible agony from having back-alley abortions. Ah, good times.

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Look at what’s happened just in our tolerance for abortion. Fifty years ago…60 years ago, people who did abortions were in the shadows, people who were considered really bad doctors. Now, abortion is something to that is just accepted. […] This is the erosion. And it happens in the medical profession. It happened very fast. And I think Obamacare will lead us down that road.

Also see
Rick Santorum and James Dobson Push ‘Death Panels’ Myth, Nostalgic for Time When Abortion Was a Crime

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223 comments
1 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:13:04pm

He lies about the Netherlands, and probably doesn't know he is lying since his ignorance is so deep.

2 Spocomptonite  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:13:25pm

Rick Santorum: Bring back leeches, fight the erosion of the medical profession!

3 Stanghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:13:55pm

What is most disgusting to me is how religious rigidity has completely replaced basic human compassion. Completely. He doesn't even realize it.

4 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:14:07pm

And no, Rick, you're wrong. Many of the people who provided abortions in that past were heroic doctors, doing what they knew to be right even in the face of prison time and ostracism. And doctors still provide that to their patients, even under threat of death from radical anti-abortion activists.

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:14:54pm

I'll just repeat the second comment I made on this from the last thread.

Santorum should have it explained to him that roughly 50 percent of all maternal deaths in the first half of the 20th century were from illegal abortions, and an estimated 160 to 260 women died each year in the 1950s and 1960s from illegal abortions. (From same link Lidane gave, which links to this.)

6 b_snark  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:15:17pm

Santorum probably finds all sorts of dark alley shenanigans interesting. I can guarantee it makes him feel all blessedly superior. At the bare minimum it makes him feel all warm and gooey inside.

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:15:26pm

If people like these were honest, they would support PP and try to reduce abortions. But they're not and they won't.

F' em.

8 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:15:32pm

The ability to lie with the greatest of ease is becoming what I see as the defining characteristic of the GOP, and in particular the "religious" GOP.

9 Spocomptonite  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:15:54pm

re: #1 Naso Tang

He lies about the Netherlands, and probably doesn't know he is lying since his ignorance is so deep.

Logical thought process: obtain evidence, make conjecture.
Rick Santorum et al: Obtain conjecture, make evidence.

10 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:18:16pm

Looks like we have another World Nut Daily reader! Santorum running for president in 2012. What a corntry.

11 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:19:44pm

re: #9 Spocomptonite

Exactly. The definition of dogma.

12 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:20:43pm

what a shit stain

13 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:21:05pm

LOVE the backdrop of 'American Heartland'.
There is NO sarcasm tag big enough.

14 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:21:39pm

Another one.

15 b_snark  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:21:46pm

re: #9 Spocomptonite

Logical thought process: obtain evidence, make conjecture.
Rick Santorum et al: Obtain conjecture, make evidence.

My $.45

Logical thought process: obtain evidence, make hypothesis, test hypothesis, if necessary, return to step 1.

Rick Santorum et al: Obtain conjecture, check old book, make evidence.

16 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:22:57pm

I've been hearing a log of bad mouthing of Europe by the GOP candidates at different levels in their so called debates.

If one of these clowns became president I doubt that our only true allies on this planet will ever see the USA in the same light again.

17 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:24:07pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Except the bible says nothing about abortion, and what can be inferred from it acknowledges a fetus is not the same thing as a person.

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:24:35pm

Well, that's a relief:

[Link: www.realitytvworld.com...]

Lambert has denied a report in the U.K.'s Daily Star newspaper which claimed the former eighth-season American Idol runner-up had told the reporter he would be joining Queen as the rock band's new front man.

19 b_snark  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:25:16pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Except the bible says nothing about abortion, and what can be inferred from it acknowledges a fetus is not the same thing as a person.

That's never stopped fundamentalists before.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:25:28pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Except the bible says nothing about abortion, and what can be inferred from it acknowledges a fetus is not the same thing as a person.

OK, so that adds one additional step: distort whatever the old book says for your own purposes.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:27:30pm

Everybody has seen the North Korean accordionists playing Take On Me, right?

Youtube Video
22 BongGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:32:12pm

Santorum is angling for the coveted Theodoric, Barber of York endorsement.

23 Linden Arden  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:37:54pm

Its hard to imagine that there is a great movie about abortion (if you haven't seen it) - but The Cider House Rules is excellent.

Plus Charlize Theron is, well, awesome.

24 recusancy  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:39:07pm

Good article:
The End of Wall Street As They Knew It

25 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:43:15pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

That is just wrong!

26 recusancy  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:44:42pm

re: #24 recusancy

Good article:
The End of Wall Street As They Knew It

Dodd Frank did a lot of good and Romney wants to repeal it.

27 aagcobb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:48:00pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Santorum should have it explained to him that roughly 50 percent of all maternal deaths in the first half of the 20th century were from illegal abortions, and an estimated 160 to 260 women died each year in the 1950s and 1960s from illegal abortions.littlegreenfootballs.com...]>


He would see that as a feature, not a bug. Hundreds of women dying from illegal abortions would, in his view, discourage women from getting abortions.

28 Stanghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:49:21pm

Following the fall out over the controversial Chrysler Super Bowl halftime ad, Clint Eastwood spoke exclusively with O’Reilly Factor producer Ron Mitchell…

"I just want to say that the spin stops with you guys, and there is no spin in that ad. On this I am certain.

l am certainly not politically affiliated with Mr. Obama. It was meant to be a message about just about job growth and the spirit of America. I think all politicians will agree with it. I thought the spirit was OK.
 (me: uh no, Clint. Sorry)

I am not supporting any politician at this time.

Chrysler to their credit didn’t even have cars in the ad.

Anything they gave me for it went for charity.

If any Obama or any other politician wants to run with the spirit of that ad, go for it."

Read more: [Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

29 erik_t  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:50:32pm

re: #20 Sergey Romanov

OK, so that adds one additional step: distort whatever the old book says for your own purposes.

Too much credit. Add another step: allow others to disort whatever the old book says for their own purposes, then gobble it down unthinking, spoonful by spoonful.

Rick Santorum is bordering on what I might call 'evil', but it's not his own thinking that led him there. It's his own unthinking.

30 Stanghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:52:24pm

What do you think?


Offensive

149

Funny

5

Cool

166

Obnoxious

40

Scary

16

Inspiring

69

Crazy

12


LOL Fox Nation

31 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:54:19pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

"It's half-time America. You're fired!" -- My name is Mitt Romney and I approve this message.

//

32 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:54:42pm

The Tea Party may be dead but the Sovereign citizens still pose a threat.

FBI warns of threat from anti-government extremists

Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday.

These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference.

The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.

33 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 5:58:23pm

Donald "American Powerman" Douglas comes to Pamela Geller's defense: American Power: Charles Johnson's Servitude to Savages

It is evil. It's not simply disagreement. It's a demonically obsessed campaign to destroy her.

Pamela also a posts a screencap from Little Green Footballs, where the Little Green Gargoyles in the comments compare honor killings to circumcision and warn that Pamela and the AFDI/SIOA organizers are "looking for trouble." And on cue, Charles Johnson's posts another attack on Pamela, at the Twitter link here: "Pamela Geller Spews Hatred at LGF Again."

The hatred in the comments is heating up right on schedule.

This is what you deal with when you stand up for right. I'm engaged in this kind of thing at American Power. It's f-king unbelievable the depths of genuine evil I deal with, but as you can see with Pamela, there's black contagion spreading and people of good faith can't stand aside.

NEVER CAVE TO THESE ASSHOLES.

34 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:00:00pm

Note that the whole point of my post about Geller was to defend the family from being exploited by these kooks. Are they saying that the Mokdad family are "savages?"

35 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:00:40pm

Evening Lizards. This clip is just disgusting, but typical of RWNJ propaganda.

I can't post any more. My Brain is exploding.

DEATH PANELS!!!

37 Gus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:02:59pm

re: #34 Charles

Note that the whole point of my post about Geller was to defend the family from being exploited by these kooks. Are they saying that the Mokdad family are "savages?"

You know those twisted little minds. "If you don't support Geller 100 percent you obviously support honor killings."

38 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:04:49pm

///Yes who doesn't pine for the days when women took care of the abortions themselves and we men never had to worry about it at all even if it lead to them dieing?

39 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:05:07pm

re: #33 Charles

Little Green Gargoyles

That is the coolest name anyone has ever called me.

40 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:06:35pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

That is the coolest name anyone has ever called me.

Do you spout water too?

41 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:07:06pm

Stepdad competent for trial in murder of Jessica Mokdad; prosecutors say religion not an issue

Religion not an issue? The prosecutors must be suffering from that "demonic obsession" Donald Douglas is raving about.

42 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:07:18pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

Do you spout water too?

I piss on their rhetoric from a great height.

43 recusancy  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:07:36pm

re: #36 nines09

Just so you remember Rick is talking about you, not him or his wife. They're...Different. You? Go die in a back alley.

Interesting. I did not know that.

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:12:08pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Everybody has seen the North Korean accordionists playing Take On Me, right?

[Video]

You've proved it. North Korea is Hell.

45 sda112  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:13:06pm

Government small enough to fit inside my uterus, brought to you by Rick Santorum and other members of the American Taliban.

46 909Ghazis  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:13:32pm

re: #43 recusancy
There's a lot about Rick that's not so clean. Start here

47 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:16:19pm

re: #42 Shiplord Kirel

I piss on their rhetoric from a great height.

Gargoyles are way cooler than cherubs.

48 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:19:05pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

49 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:20:38pm

Three guesses who the wingnuts will defend:

Asian-American Elected GOPer Turns On Hoekstra After Ad

Washtenaw County, Michigan Commissioner Alicia Ping (R) says she was leaning toward endorsing former Rep. Pete Hoekstra in the Republican primary for Senate. But that’s all over now. On Monday, Ping donated money to Clark Durant, Hoekstra’s longshot rival in the primary. She told me she’d publicly endorse him if Durant asks her to.

Why the change of heart? Hoekstra’s controversial Super Bowl ad, which the Chinese-American Ping called “demeaning”, is a part of it. But it was more Hokestra’s refusal to acknowledge that he’d made a mistake running the ad that really lost him Ping’s support.

“If he didn’t know it was racist on some level, then shame on him,” Ping told me in a phone interview Monday night. “He didn’t apologize or say ‘maybe it was over the top’ or anything. He said, ‘I stand by what I believe in’ and, ‘the liberals are just making a bigger thing out of it.’ Well that’s not the case at all. It’s offensive and it’s racist. It’s demeaning to the Asian-American population.”

50 sda112  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:21:05pm

I am sitting here trying to fathom a set of circumstances that would possess me to vote for any of these theocratic lunatics....

Completely intoxicated? No

Financial Incentive? No

At gunpoint??? Maybe only then.....

51 Kragar  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:21:19pm

The fucker admits women were risking their lives to get abortions back when they were illegal, and wants to go ahead and force them back into that position again.

Thats fucking evil.

52 BongGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:22:12pm

re: #46 nines09

There's a lot about Rick that's not so clean. Start here

Huh. Very interesting read.

Maybe I've now got a little more respect for Santorum now that I know that he's just another conniving grifter out to make a buck and not simply an insane raving theocrat.

53 BongGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:22:19pm

Nah.

54 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:22:51pm

Night Lizards. The Wife has just pointed out that there are other things besides LGF. Like Her.

55 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:25:21pm

re: #54 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. The Wife has just pointed out that there are other things besides LGF. Like Her.

Enemy propaganda!
/

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:25:46pm

re: #54 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. The Wife has just pointed out that there are other things besides LGF. Like Her.

SHE LIES!

57 recusancy  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:30:42pm

re: #49 Lidane

Three guesses who the wingnuts will defend:

Asian-American Elected GOPer Turns On Hoekstra After Ad

I'm in Michigan so I saw that ad during the super bowl. I thought it was a joke at first.

58 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:37:49pm

Boehner Jokes That House Of Representatives 'Designed Not To Work'

.....
And from another link:

‘One of our two major parties, the Republicans, has become an insurgent outlier—ideologically extreme, contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime, scornful of compromise, unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science, and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.’
--Thomas Mann, Brookings Institution,
& Norman Ornstein, American Enterprise Institute

[Link: frank-schaeffer.blogspot.com...]

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:38:25pm

DVR'd "House" from earlier. Patient just coughed up blood.

I'm starting to think they've run out of ideas.

60 sproingie  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:41:24pm

re: #49 Lidane

Three guesses who the wingnuts will defend:

Asian-American Elected GOPer Turns On Hoekstra After Ad

Ping donated to and indicated she'd endorse Clark Durant, who's running to the right of Hoekstra. So I'll beg forgiveness for not singing her praises just yet.

61 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:44:16pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DVR'd "House" from earlier. Patient just coughed up blood.

I'm starting to think they've run out of ideas.

Lupus?

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:46:38pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Lupus?

It's not Lupus.

63 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:47:39pm

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's not Lupus.

They will introduce alien viruses from other planets before they use lupus.

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:52:18pm

re: #63 EmmmieG

That's funny as heck... and true.

65 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:53:26pm

The feline overlord gargoyle laughs at their obvious fear.

Cat Gargoyle

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:53:39pm

re: #63 EmmmieG

They will introduce alien viruses from other planets before they use lupus.

In the final episode it will be Lupus.

No one will believe it, and the patient will die.

67 Sionainn  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:55:55pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DVR'd "House" from earlier. Patient just coughed up blood.

I'm starting to think they've run out of ideas.

I'm sure they'll do a brain biopsy.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:56:35pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having.

"Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic!"
"Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupus!"

One of those two doesn't sound right.

-Mitch Hedberg

69 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:56:44pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just what I was thinking. House would look up from the test results, the screen goes black, followed by a muttered "Lupus". End of series.

70 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 6:57:32pm

We can all relax now. Erick, Son of Erick has endorsed for POTUS:

[Link: thehill.com...]

Influential conservative blogger Erick Erickson said he would endorse the “sweet meteor of death” over any of the current GOP candidates, but would back the party’s eventual nominee in the general election against President Obama.

In the run-up to his endorsement, Erickson, who writes for the political website Red State, said he wouldn’t follow former GOP candidate Herman Cain with a non-endorsement.

Earlier this month, Cain endorsed “the people.” But speaking Monday on his WSB radio show, Erickson did something similar, endorsing “a great fireball from the sky annihilating us all.”

Still, Erickson said he hoped Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich stayed in the race because they had the best chances of rallying the conservative base against Romney.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:01:49pm

re: #70 Lidane

god, they're such weak sauce and they think they're funny, it makes me embarrassed for them

is this what idiot republicans call humor these days

72 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:01:55pm

re: #70 Lidane

We can all relax now. Erick, Son of Erick has endorsed for POTUS:

[Link: thehill.com...]

So that's essentially the "anything but Obama" endorsement. Which says nothing of worth as political discourse beyond the GOP slate being pathetic.

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:04:15pm

re: #72 oaktree

So that's essentially the "anything but Obama" endorsement. Which says nothing of worth as political discourse beyond the GOP slate being pathetic.

Wake me when their party finally gurgles and expires, when good Republicans everywhere fall upon each others' necks, bleating and raving and choking each other with pages ripped from their bibles

NO I AM TEH MOST BIBLIKAL

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:05:18pm

re: #49 Lidane

well, she is a republican, she signed on to be a token

when she changes parties, I'll care

75 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:07:29pm

re: #70 Lidane

Fires in the sky

Apolitical version.

76 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:13:03pm

What luck!
Rick Perry is willing to run again in future.

77 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:15:59pm

re: #76 jaunte

After what? 12 years of grammar school?

78 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:08pm

re: #41 jaunte

Stepdad competent for trial in murder of Jessica Mokdad; prosecutors say religion not an issue

Religion not an issue? The prosecutors must be suffering from that "demonic obsession" Donald Douglas is raving about.

As does anyone who disagrees with Pam Geller about anything political. For her, there are only three categories:

1. The Virtuous Defends of the West with her as one of its heads, composed of those who support her and her anti-Islam crusade.

2. The Mass of Sheeple, those who do not take a strong position on Islam and have not yet faced a Geller demand for fealty. Once Geller demands fealty to her of a person, they either join her (if they do as she demands) or join the supporters of Islam (if they refuse her).

3. The Barbarian Hoard of Islam, which comprises all Muslims and all whom Geller believes support Islam (which can mean some one who simply disagrees with her, as noted above).

79 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:15pm

re: #76 jaunte

What luck!
Rick Perry is willing to run again in future.

After Congress bans the debate format from the United States I presume.

80 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:17:21pm

This is pretty much in keeping with Santorum's overall reactionary philosophy. He wants to turn the clock back about 50 years on everything else, so why not abortion too?

There's no bigger dinosaur in American politics.

81 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:20:19pm

re: #80 palomino

This is pretty much in keeping with Santorum's overall reactionary philosophy. He wants to turn the clock back about 50 years on everything else, so why not abortion too?

There's no bigger dinosaur in American politics.

Ah, he just wants a do-over on the 60s so that the US can "get it right". I wonder it that will still include that "Fear of a Papist Presidency" thing going on at the beginning of that decade?
//

82 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:20:21pm

re: #70 Lidane

We can all relax now. Erick, Son of Erick has endorsed for POTUS:

[Link: thehill.com...]

Given Erik's racism and other bits of bigotry, Romney might benefit by refusing Erik's support. That would cost him some wingnuts. but it might gain him support in key states like Michigan or Ohio.

83 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:24:22pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Given Erik's racism and other bits of bigotry, Romney might benefit by refusing Erik's support. That would cost him some wingnuts. but it might gain him support in key states like Michigan or Ohio.

Mitt is on record saying that the auto companies should have gone out of business. I'd wager that kills him in Michigan. Also, Kasich is pretty much radioactive, so I can't imagine the mood in Ohio being all that favorable to Mitt, at least right now.

84 Stanghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:24:53pm

re: #76 jaunte

What luck!
Rick Perry is willing to run again in future.

They are going to finally kick him out of Texas. Or they are idiots. He showed why he never debates. Full force grifter/giver to grifter Governor. Maybe it's finally obvious?

85 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:24:55pm

re: #76 jaunte

What luck!
Rick Perry is willing to run again in future.

After he becomes a real boy?

86 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:25:07pm

re: #81 oaktree

Ah, he just wants a do-over on the 60s so that the US can "get it right". I wonder it that will still include that "Fear of a Papist Presidency" thing going on at the beginning of that decade?
//

Yeah, let's re-do the 60's. Civil rights, women's rights, start of gay rights movement, sexual freedom, the Pill, people protesting an unpopular war...all the things that Santorum hates about America.

87 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:27:26pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

Here's a good list of his purchasers:

Toomey and Brint Ryan, a Dallas tax consultant who helped form Make Us Great Again, were among its big donors, giving $100,000 and $250,000, respectively. Robert McNair, owner of the Houston Texans, and the homebuilder Bob Perry, a longtime supporter of the governor (they are not related), are on the list. The grocery wholesaler and former Houston Astros owner Drayton McLane Jr. is there, too. Tony Buzbee, a Houston trial lawyer, gave $250,000. Harold Simmons’s Contran Corporation donated $1 million. Chesapeake Energy was in for $125,000, and the company’s federal political action committee matched that. Paul Foster, chairman of El Paso’s Western Refining and a regular backer of the governor, gave as well.
........
Perry’s lists have a lot of Texans. Those are the people who know him best, the ones most likely to be asked for support by a Texas candidate. They were also making safer bets, in a way, than their counterparts in other states. If he wins, he’s the president. If he loses, he’s the governor of Texas.

Heads, you win. Tails, you win.
[Link: www.texastribune.org...]

88 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:28:14pm

I had to watch the video to get the context... and that the TPM script of Santorum's words has a wrong tense btw ("it will happen" versus the scribed "happened")...

Anyway, the context is euthanasia. Santorum claims half of all the older people euthanized in the Netherlands didn't really consent. So Santorum's thrust here isn't about abortion - he's using abortion as an example to scare his audience about, in essence, Obamacare killing grandma.

That's quite a claim and I wonder from where Santorum gets this. Given the nature of previous claims creationists along this line (who are notorious for twisting actual evidence) I look upon this claim by Santorum with great suspicion. I know there are "Pro-life" organizations out there that get into the euthanasia debate, e.g the website [Link: www.euthanasia.com...] (which gets some of it's info/disinformation from the IDiots).

Anyone know if Santorum said from where he gets his info?

89 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:28:30pm

Occupy protesters living up to expectations today....
Occupy Pittsburgh Protestor Arrested For Megan’s Law Violation

The KD Investigators have learned that one of the so-called leaders of the Occupy Pittsburgh movement is a registered sex offender.

Hoff called himself “Blue Thunder” claiming to be a Native American on Thanksgiving Day, giving his blessing to the Occupy Pittsburgh movement.

He also labeled himself as group spokesman.
...
According to records, Hoff was convicted in 1999 for involuntary deviate sexual intercourse.

Accused in stabbing waives bail hearing

Harrington — a "quiet, shy guy" — spent a couple of weeks at the Occupy site a few months back, Canning says, and wasn't spotted again until Friday. He left Saturday morning and was picked up by the police.

Police say Harrington stabbed the woman in her chest, just below the heart.

Occupy DC Demonstrator Threw Bottle, Not Brick

Court documents available Monday say the demonstrator, Jeremiah Desausa, threw the Coke bottle Saturday. Authorities said he resisted arrest and was subdued with a Taser.

90 BongGhazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:29:26pm

re: #76 jaunte

What luck!
Rick Perry is willing to run again in future.

Sweet.

At least we'll know we'll wind up with a Democrat in office if he gets nominated.

91 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:29:40pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Given Erik's racism and other bits of bigotry, Romney might benefit by refusing Erik's support. That would cost him some wingnuts. but it might gain him support in key states like Michigan or Ohio.

Why would Romney suddenly want to refuse endorsements from extremist clowns in his own party? He just accepted Trump's nod, with plenty of fanfare. Chances are he'll want the support of one of the most influential bloggers--Erik McErick--on the right.

92 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:30:38pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Occupy protesters did things, no one cares...

FTFY

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:31:41pm

The Girl Scouts are awesome :D

PRO ABORTION TRANSGENDERED MARXIST OH NOES

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:31:56pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

OBVIOUS

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:32:02pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

TROLL

96 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:32:07pm

re: #88 freetoken

I was looking around for references on that earlier, and found this:

South Australian Voluntary Euthanasia Society
The following is from the SAVES Newsletter, The VE Bulletin, Vol 16 No 3, November 99
More on the alleged Netherlands "Slippery Slope"

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:32:07pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

IS

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:32:23pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

OBVIOUS

99 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:33:11pm

re: #91 palomino

Why would Romney suddenly want to refuse endorsements from extremist clowns in his own party? He just accepted Trump's nod, with plenty of fanfare. Chances are he'll want the support of one of the most influential bloggers--Erik McErick--on the right.

Trump is more visible, and would be a more dangerous enemy. Erik couldn't do that much damage. The key to a "I'm Not With Stupid" moment is to pick a target to push off from who has some visibility but isn't relatively powerful enough to really hurt you.

100 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:34:12pm

The GOP circular firing squad is up and running today:

Convicted of Voter Fraud, Republican Indiana Secretary of State Accuses Gov. Daniels of Same Crime

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:34:31pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Rapey...Stabby... now Pepsi?

(yeah, I know it was coke... but Pepsi's funnier.)

102 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:35:52pm

re: #96 jaunte

Thanks. I see that link is discussing some articles from 1999. I came across some from 1999 too... it seems the Times (of London) was pushing this story at that time.

Yet, I doubt Santorum himself has researched this from that far back. The link you gave references a 1995 paper that became the source of the statistics... that would mean it is now at least 16 years old.

103 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:36:33pm

What the heck, I sent President Obama an invitation to my daughter's wedding. Maybe we will get a card back. :)

104 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:37:06pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Occupy protesters living up to expectations today...
Occupy Pittsburgh Protestor Arrested For Megan’s Law Violation

Accused in stabbing waives bail hearing

Occupy DC Demonstrator Threw Bottle, Not Brick

How can that Pittsburgh guy call himself "Blue Thunder" when that was clearly Roy Scheider. (movie humor) I'd prefer to give him the Native American name "He whose balls should be lopped off".

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:38:26pm

re: #103 Alouette

A least a nice gift... he's rich, you know.

106 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:38:47pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Trump is more visible, and would be a more dangerous enemy. Erik couldn't do that much damage. The key to a "I'm Not With Stupid" moment is to pick a target to push off from who has some visibility but isn't relatively powerful enough to really hurt you.

Trump is only dangerous because evidently some people in your party care what he says.... I pity the state your party is in, and this is coming from a Democrat!

107 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:39:42pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A least a nice gift... he's rich, you know.

But I am not inviting the GOP candidates!

The groom is a Brit, his parents have probably invited the Queen. :)

108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:40:09pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

Trump is only dangerous because evidently some people in your party care what he says... I pity the state your party is in, and this is coming from a Democrat!

His money is what makes him dangerous, that and his media profile. He could finance a Super-PAC all by himself.

109 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:40:25pm

re: #103 Alouette

What the heck, I sent President Obama an invitation to my daughter's wedding. Maybe we will get a card back. :)

Or Joe Biden will show up and do his famous Shecky Green impersonation.

110 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:41:22pm

I can only conclude that Santorum is trying to fill Palin's high heels shoes.

111 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:41:28pm

re: #92 Lidane

Occupy protesters did things, no one cares...

That's a shame.

112 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:41:33pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

He could finance a Super-PAC all by himself.

Given his track record, he could bankrupt it too.

113 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:43:34pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

His money is what makes him dangerous, that and his media profile. He could finance a Super-PAC all by himself.

Could... it'll be interesting to see if he's willing to throw more than his words behind Romney...

114 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:45:05pm

re: #112 Lidane

Given his track record, he could bankrupt it too.

True that.

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:45:21pm

re: #92 Lidane

Occupy protesters did things, no one cares...

The woman who was stabbed cares. The victim of sexual assault cares. The cop who may lose his sight cares. You don't care.

116 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:45:37pm

The President of MSA just showed himself to be a massive hypocrite. He liked a video with this title.

فضيحه الفنانه العاهره رزان مغربي +18

Now, everyone, what does this mean.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:48:01pm

re: #116 ProLifeLiberal

The President of MSA just showed himself to be a massive hypocrite. He liked a video with this title.

Now, everyone, what does this mean.

It means I never learned that language?

118 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:48:44pm

re: #117 EmmmieG

Google Translate it, then put the Translation in a response to this post I am doing.

119 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:48:47pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

That's a shame.

Nah. It's more like that's what months and months of near constant bleating and concern trolling from you about Occupy will do.

At this point, I tune out all your links and your stories. Yes, bad things happen. Good people get hurt. But there's a point where your constant whining about Occupy just gets old, and we're long past it.

120 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:48:50pm

Catholic League Poised To Go To War With Obama Over Mandatory Birth Control Payments

Donohue Says 70 Million Of His Voters Ready To Alter Presidential Election

“This is going to be fought out with lawsuits, with court decisions, and, dare I say it, maybe even in the streets,” Donohue said.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:49:19pm

re: #107 Alouette

I hope this doesn't come across as an insensitive question.

How do accents effect the reading of the Torah?

Does someone who normally speaks with a British accent sound different reading the Torah from a person from Alabama? Brooklyn? Jerusalem?

Or is it taught with the old pronunciations so that it is fairly uniform?

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:50:45pm

re: #119 Lidane

we're long past it.

Yet you're still complaining.

123 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:51:20pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Yet you're still complaining.

And you still bring it up, just for spite.

124 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:52:09pm

re: #116 ProLifeLiberal

The President of MSA just showed himself to be a massive hypocrite. He liked a video with this title.

Now, everyone, what does this mean.

It Means:

Sexy bitch actress Razan Moghrabi +18

125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:52:12pm

re: #120 jaunte

Catholic League Poised To Go To War With Obama Over Mandatory Birth Control Payments

Too bad the nunneries have been depleted over the years. They could put the Black Bloc Anarchists to shame.

126 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:52:39pm

Great Superbowl Weekend! Hope you all enjoyed it..I'm about ready to crawl into bed and watch the Thunder-Trail blazers play..Nice and lazy ending to the weekend...Poor Winston.. He used to buy that also when he was a puppy. He'd be asleep on the bed and I'd be screaming at the TV..I HATE YOU KOBE! Winston would be running in circles in shock.. No it's OK Winston..YOU CALL THAT SH*T A FOUL? Winston I'm not yelling at you..It's OK boy...FK! YOU PHIL! IF I WAS YOUR AGENT I"D SLEEP WITH YOUR EX!
No Winston..It's ok.Daddy is talking to the TV.. You can crawl out of the covers now..It's OK.. YOU CALL THAT BLOCKING! He'd head under the bed in pure terror..Now a days he just sleeps through it .. I could scream out late at night in our warm little sleepy bedroom, ARE YOU EFFEN KIDDING ME! At a call on TV and Winston doesn't bat an eye..It's probably one of those animal instinct things..

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:52:55pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In the final episode it will be Lupus.

No one will believe it, and the patient will die.

I have a friend with lupus who plans to get a shirt which reads: Sometimes It's Actually Lupus.

128 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:53:10pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

I intend on scandal. He's been a moralizer who has taken all the love out of the group.

Now, my counterattack.

129 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:53:21pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout


"What a field-day for the heat
A thousand steel rulers in the street"

130 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:53:52pm

re: #129 jaunte

"What a field-day for the heat
A thousand steel rulers in the street"

lol

131 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:54:36pm

re: #123 talon_262

And you still bring it up, just for spite.

Yeah, this.

132 prairiefire  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:54:39pm

re: #103 Alouette

What the heck, I sent President Obama an invitation to my daughter's wedding. Maybe we will get a card back. :)

If he knew how many vote you can influence within your own family, I'm sure he would take note.

Mazel, Alouette. Your last sounds to have made a good match.

133 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 7:59:44pm

re: #128 ProLifeLiberal

I intend on scandal. He's been a moralizer who has taken all the love out of the group.

Now, my counterattack.

You probably look at less tame videos yourself, PLL. Are you sure you'll win this game?

134 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:02:56pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

The title doesn't sound tame. In any case, it shows a lack of respect for women. Which I don't take lightly. Not to mention it shows hypocrisy of a scale I've only seen at New Life Church with Haggard.

135 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:05:18pm

re: #134 ProLifeLiberal

The title doesn't sound tame. In any case, it shows a lack of respect for women. Which I don't take lightly. Not to mention it shows hypocrisy of a scale I've only seen at New Life Church with Haggard.

But unlike Haggard, this guy hasn't actually put his dick somewhere he shouldn't (yet).

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:07:15pm

re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope this doesn't come across as an insensitive question.

How do accents effect the reading of the Torah?

Does someone who normally speaks with a British accent sound different reading the Torah from a person from Alabama? Brooklyn? Jerusalem?

Or is it taught with the old pronunciations so that it is fairly uniform?

There are distinct differences in pronunciation between communities, although gradually they're becoming more standardized. Also, yes, you can hear someone's base accent to some extent. Some are more obvious than others.

137 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:07:35pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Allah gave me an opportunity.

I'm taking it.

138 Stanghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:07:51pm

re: #103 Alouette

What the heck, I sent President Obama an invitation to my daughter's wedding. Maybe we will get a card back. :)

I read your earlier comment and thought, YEAH. Glad you did.

139 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:08:09pm

Dunno if this has been posted (jumped right in on the thread), so forgive me if it has...

Activists Fight Green Projects, Seeing U.N. Plot

NYT takes notice of the Agenda 21 nuts.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:08:45pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks.

141 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:09:23pm

re: #139 makeitstop

Thanos has a Page up on the Agenda21 boogeyman.

The UN has always been a communist plot to destroy America... don't you know?

142 Stanghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:11:26pm

re: #123 talon_262

And you still bring it up, just for spite.

And another thread, toast to KT's insecurities.

143 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:12:21pm

re: #137 ProLifeLiberal

Allah gave me an opportunity.

I'm taking it.

Well, I would figure that you do revenge better than most:

Youtube Video
144 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:12:25pm

re: #139 makeitstop

“The Tea Party people say they want nonpolluted air and clean water and everything we promote and support, but they also say it’s a communist movement,” said Charlotte Moore, a supervisor who voted yes. “I really don’t understand what they want.”

Neither do they.

145 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:13:37pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Oh, you know me so well. :D

146 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:13:45pm

re: #144 jaunte

Neither do they.

Sure they do - they want to piss off liberals.

And rail against the UN.

147 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:15:00pm

re: #128 ProLifeLiberal

I intend on scandal. He's been a moralizer who has taken all the love out of the group.

Now, my counterattack.

You're intent on learning nothing I see. Go ahead, play the insanely sanctimonious convert over some guy "liking" a video you haven't seen (based on the title alone) that appears to have been removed from Youtube by the author. If you're intent on cementing your reputation in the MSA as an uptight douchebag intent on creating conflict for conflict's sake, this should do it.

148 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:15:27pm

Caught one:
Former Caltrans employee indicted for trying to export high-tech parts to China

The Colorado federal grand jury indictment alleges that [Philip Chaohui He] drove to the port of Long Beach on Dec. 11 with 200 radiation-hardened integrated circuits worth nearly $550,000 in the trunk of his car. The circuits, which are considered sensitive defense articles banned from export without federal authorization, were concealed in plastic infant formula containers inside five sealed boxes marked "milk powder" in Chinese.

149 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:16:48pm

Night folks. Something a bit upbeat for listening to before bed.

Youtube Video
150 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:19:16pm

Is THIS (nsfw) what you're so nostalgically pining for, Santorum? IS IT?? Because that's the way it was, you sanctimonious prick.

#@$%^! These people make me want to put my fist through the wall.

151 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:19:34pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

There is no way that video is clean. However, I get your point.

I feel he has pushed me to the outskirts of the group, and made it an overall less friendly place. I want to use this to turn it back.

152 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:20:50pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Hey, you're here. Did you see what Allah dropped in my lap?

:D

153 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:21:49pm

re: #151 ProLifeLiberal

There is no way that video is clean. However, I get your point.

I feel he has pushed me to the outskirts of the group, and made it an overall less friendly place. I want to use this to turn it back.

Just don't burn down the village to save it.

154 Ghazicide  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:22:18pm

I have about 3 or 4 mocking jokes lined up to rattle off at this dude. But really, he is a fucking backwards ass cretin.

155 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:22:37pm

re: #151 ProLifeLiberal

There is no way that video is clean. However, I get your point.

I feel he has pushed me to the outskirts of the group, and made it an overall less friendly place. I want to use this to turn it back.

That's all well and good, PLL, but I don't think you've got enough firepower for the assault you're planning. I advise you to not try to use this right now, as I believe the odds of it not working are too high.

156 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:22:46pm

re: #153 oaktree

I will keep this in mind, and will also show the Imam this as well. Along with the previous discussion.

157 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:23:24pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Well, while abortion is certainly a hot topic for Santorum, again, his point here is to scare his audience about "Obamacare" killing grandma under the term "euthanasia".

158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:24:59pm

re: #153 oaktree

Just don't burn down the village to save it.

Good point, though the word in the actual quote was "city" (Ben Tre was a good bit bigger than a farming village).

159 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:26:29pm

re: #157 freetoken

Well, while abortion is certainly a hot topic for Santorum, again, his point here is to scare his audience about "Obamacare" killing grandma under the term "euthanasia".

It is seen by many as the logical end point of socialized medicine.

160 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:27:36pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

I looked it up.

Ben Tre was upgraded to being a city in 2009.

161 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:29:41pm

re: #160 ProLifeLiberal

I looked it up.

Ben Tre was upgraded to being a city in 2009.

Well, it was a town during the 1960's, or at least the man who said the line saw it as a town or city. I know the original quote wasn't "village", but it doesn't really matter. It was just me being a know-it-all.

162 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:30:49pm

re: #151 ProLifeLiberal

I want to use this to turn it back.

Ain't.gonna.happen.

I'm sorry, but I suggest you come to terms with this fact, get on with your life and stop looking to define and validate yourself through external frames of reference. You are, and will always be an outsider in this group, and I assure you that nobody is looking for or wants you to rescue it from his clutches. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but it's all true and the sooner you accept it the sooner you'll stop alienating people in the group by trying to arrogate yourself into a position you will never successfully attain.

I'm not a muslim so submission isn't my thing, but I suggest that accepting reality is similar enough in this instance, and accepting reality is my thing. That was the advice given by multiple people when you solicited help earlier on how to handle this conflict and now you're, again, on the verge of chucking it all away on what appears to clearly be a counter productive course of action.

163 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:30:57pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

It is seen by many as the logical end point of socialized medicine.

Logic has nothing to do with it... rather, it's all over-the-top emotionalism.

164 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:32:39pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

I get the point better now. The excitement kind of swept me up.

I will still give it to the Imam when talking to him about the previous issue.

165 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:35:03pm

Big Badaboom:

We propose that the two newly detected Earth-size planets around the hot B subdwarf star KIC 05807616 are remnant of the tidally destructed metallic core of a massive planet. A single massive gas-giant planet was spiralling-in inside the envelope of the red giant branch star progenitor of the extreme horizontal branch (EHB) star KIC 05807616. The released gravitational energy unbound most of the stellar envelope, turning it into an EHB star. The massive planet reached the tidal destruction radius of ~Ro from the core, where the planet's gaseous envelope was tidally removed. In our scenario the metallic core of the massive planet was tidally destructed into several Earth-like bodies immediately after the gaseous envelope of the planet was removed. Two, and possibly more, Earth-size fragments survived at orbital separations of >Ro within the gaseous disk.[Link: arxiv.org...]

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:36:04pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

It is seen by many as the logical end point of socialized medicine.

It's a scare tactic. Socialized medicine and free-market medicine both end with people dying, because we all die. But just because it isn't called euthanasia when someone is allowed to die for lack of money doesn't make it natural causes.

167 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:37:13pm

re: #152 ProLifeLiberal

Hey, you're here. Did you see what Allah dropped in my lap?

:D

I'm going to pretend I didn't see that. Get a grip—you're WAY out of bounds and you're going to cause yourself nothing but grief, mark my words. You're headed down a bad path and you'll get neither encouragement nor sympathy from me.

If you dedicated half as much time & energy to trying to learn how to be a proper Muslim as you do to chasing around this guy you dislike and involving yourself in your little community melodrama, you might actually learn something useful.

But, hey, I'm almost 50 and have only been Muslim for 20+ years, WTF do I know compared to you? Go ahead and do it your way despite all the advice everyone's been giving you to the contrary.

168 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:37:27pm

re: #165 jaunte

In a tug-of-war between tow massive celestial bodies there are no survivors.

169 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:37:54pm

re: #168 freetoken

pimf "two"... and I had actually retyped it... but made the same mistake twice in a row.

170 prairiefire  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:38:01pm

Day three with our zippy, silver with a purple streak Nissan loaner truck while my van's transmission is being replaced. My kids have become used to me yelling "shut the door hard!"

171 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:38:33pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Getting a little cooled off, I see your point.

I have issues paying attention.

172 prairiefire  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:39:49pm

re: #168 freetoken

In a tug-of-war between tow massive celestial bodies there are no survivors.

Law, it's hard when I have to tow my celestial body around.

173 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:40:20pm

re: #164 ProLifeLiberal

I get the point better now. The excitement kind of swept me up.

I will still give it to the Imam when talking to him about the previous issue.

How far are you from graduation? That should be your focus. Get it done, figure out what you want to do after and get on with attaining that. Your preoccupation with the MSA seems like it's become a distraction. There are worse distractions for sure, and I know it was a great place for you last year, but college is supposed to be a transitional experience. The point isn't to cling to any one facet of it, eventually you're got to leave it all behind.

174 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:40:36pm

re: #157 freetoken

Well, while abortion is certainly a hot topic for Santorum, again, his point here is to scare his audience about "Obamacare" killing grandma under the term "euthanasia".

Indeed.

175 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:41:04pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

4 months.

Can someone send my the Onion article that the Representative tweeted?

176 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:42:30pm

DailyKOS is not on my normal reading list... but this article came up on a creationism search... about a very not-bright Florida state senator and his creationism, and his increasing success in deconstructing/destroying Florida public education:

New bill would take millions from Central Florida schools to give to privately run charters.

177 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:42:47pm

re: #171 ProLifeLiberal

Getting a little cooled off, I see your point.

I have issues paying attention.

Yeah, that's what you keep saying, over and over again. It's gotten real old real fast. I don't have the patience for it.

I've had my fill of bullshit for one day. Later, lizards.

178 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:43:10pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Obama wants to kill grandma.

That's their political rallying mantra.

179 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:44:09pm

re: #178 freetoken

Obama wants to kill grandma.

That's their political rallying mantra.

Obama wants to kill grandma, Romney would rather just put her in a corner and hope folks forget she's there until it's too late.

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:48:07pm

And it seems I've killed the thread. Now we all know who the real killer is!

//

181 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:49:29pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Trump is more visible, and would be a more dangerous enemy. Erik couldn't do that much damage. The key to a "I'm Not With Stupid" moment is to pick a target to push off from who has some visibility but isn't relatively powerful enough to really hurt you.

But in the same way Romney wouldn't want to pick a fight with Limbaugh or Coulter, why pick one with Erickson? Not only is he a commentator on CNN, but RedState is, sadly, quite popular and especially influential with the far right Obama-hating crowd. And those are the very people with whom Romney has the least credibility.

Trump may be more visible, but he's also far more disliked by the overall general public. If you're gonna take his support, it makes no sense strategically (especially while primaries are still going on) to diss Erik.

182 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:53:03pm

re: #181 palomino

But in the same way Romney wouldn't want to pick a fight with Limbaugh or Coulter, why pick one with Erickson? Not only is he a commentator on CNN, but RedState is, sadly, quite popular and especially influential with the far right Obama-hating crowd. And those are the very people with whom Romney has the least credibility.

Trump may be more visible, but he's also far more disliked by the overall general public. If you're gonna take his support, it makes no sense strategically (especially while primaries are still going on) to diss Erik.

You fire on Erik after you've locked up the nomination, would be my idea.

183 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:55:37pm

I see that AP is now pushing how wonderful Santorum is ... this comes a day after a-day-late-and-a-dollar-short Erickson backs Santorum.

If only the right wing ABR choir could have sung on the same note four months ago maybe things could have been different... but they were all in the thralls of Palin-Cain-Bachmann-Perry-itis.

184 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:57:12pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

You fire on Erik after you've locked up the nomination, would be my idea.

But even then, how does that help Romney? Erickson is very popular on the right, but relatively unknown to the rest of the country. So picking a fight with a guy whose followers are already unenthused about a Romney candidacy hurts him with the base...and Romney will need the base to show up in full force.

185 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:57:34pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

You fire on Erik after you've locked up the nomination, would be my idea.

Normally that would be a sound strategy, but remember-- the GOP wingnut base hates Mitt Romney. He's Obama Lite and a Mormon heathen as far as they're concerned. Attacking pundits and bloggers won't go well for Mitt.

186 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:58:01pm

The right wing blogs are desperate to try and keep the nomination race alive... I suppose they really, really are dreading the idea of having to start writing about Romney vs. Obama and how wonderful a President that Mormon and government-healthcare-innovator Romney would be.

187 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:58:49pm

Intelligent, Condescending Life Discovered In Distant Galaxy

"We were extremely excited to have made contact with this highly advanced form of life, but it quickly became clear they're pretty big jerks," said NASA scientist Raymond Morrison, referring frequently to a 24-page transcript of the interstellar transmission filled with patronizing language and backhanded compliments. "After telling us they hadn't exactly been holding their breath waiting for us to figure out how to make contact with our 'charmingly simplistic devices,' they informed us they had studied our planet millennia ago but decided it was 'too hopelessly primitive to be worthwhile.'"

188 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 8:59:03pm

re: #183 freetoken

I see that AP is now pushing how wonderful Santorum is ... this comes a day after a-day-late-and-a-dollar-short Erickson backs Santorum.

If only the right wing ABR choir could have sung on the same note four months ago maybe things could have been different... but they were all in the thralls of Palin-Cain-Bachmann-Perry-itis.

It's hilariously ironic that, by discarding every "Not-Romney" as not meeting their demands for "purity," they ended up with...well, Romney.

189 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:00:07pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

You're older than me, so I have a question.

How do I force myself to focus on things? I tend to be flighty and that frustrates people like CuriousLurker.

190 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:00:50pm

re: #185 Lidane

Normally that would be a sound strategy, but remember-- the GOP wingnut base hates Mitt Romney. He's Obama Lite and a Mormon heathen as far as they're concerned. Attacking pundits and bloggers won't go well for Mitt.

It's kinda sad to think that, as much as they hate him now, there's still plenty Romney could do to make himself more reviled to the Tea Party base.

191 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:02:07pm

re: #189 ProLifeLiberal

You're older than me, so I have a question.

How do I force myself to focus on things? I tend to be flighty and that frustrates people like CuriousLurker.

You remember that the thing has to get done and set out to do it. And have you been checked for ADD, BTW?

192 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:02:12pm

re: #175 ProLifeLiberal

4 months.

Can someone send my the Onion article that the Representative tweeted?

Shit dude, you're there! Keep your head down and keep pushing forward. Honestly, with that little time left I can't believe you're bothering with this piddly BS at all. I'd be looking to start my career and move if necessary.

Also, when you do speak to the Imam, don't go all Jan Brady on him, complaining about Marsha. The fact is it's obvious to me that he's humoring you, and while he may have acknowledged some issues in the group the last thing he needs is someone tattling minor instances of perceived moral hypocrisy. Again, focus on yourself, he's there to help/guide/advise you, not play parent to a bunch of squabbling children.

Here's the Onion article.

193 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:02:37pm

re: #188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's hilariously ironic that, by discarding every "Not-Romney" as not meeting their demands for "purity," they ended up with...well, Romney.

Shakespeare could have done something with this story line.

194 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:03:20pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Have been checked for ADD. It is a secondary diagnosis.

I lost the Genetic Lottery when I was born.

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:03:43pm

re: #193 freetoken

Shakespeare could have done something with this story line.

The Greeks would have loved it: The grand and lengthy, yet ultimately futile journey that led to nothing but tragedy for all involved.

196 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:04:05pm

re: #185 Lidane

Normally that would be a sound strategy, but remember-- the GOP wingnut base hates Mitt Romney. He's Obama Lite and a Mormon heathen as far as they're concerned. Attacking pundits and bloggers won't go well for Mitt.

And it's generally not sound strategy. Would it make sense for Obama to reject the endorsements of Arianna Huffington or the NYT? Why piss off your base if there's no attendant advantage to be gained elsewhere?

197 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:04:20pm

re: #189 ProLifeLiberal

You're older than me, so I have a question.

Life is something better savored than rushed.

Enjoy your youth.

Personally, I'd recommend you try out things like dancing (actual dance classes), martial arts, or other movement specialties.

198 jaunte  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:05:55pm

re: #194 ProLifeLiberal

Think of it this way: at birth, we get to celebrate as the winning swimmer in a race with 300 million entrants.

199 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:08:45pm

re: #196 palomino

And it's generally not sound strategy. Would it make sense for Obama to reject the endorsements of Arianna Huffington or the NYT? Why piss off your base if there's no attendant advantage to be gained elsewhere?

I think that, in a large way, it's Romney getting frustrated with what he sees as uncooperative base. The party's all but crowned him as the nominee, but the base keeps shitting on him openly and publicly. It's a hate-hate relationship here: Romney hates the base, and they hate him in return.

Right about now, there's probably orders going out for crates of champagne at the Obama campaign HQ.

200 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:09:22pm

re: #188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's hilariously ironic that, by discarding every "Not-Romney" as not meeting their demands for "purity," they ended up with...well, Romney.

re: #193 freetoken

Shakespeare could have done something with this story line.

All's Well That Ends Romney.
Much Ado About Romney.
Romeo and Juliet and Romney.

201 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:12:15pm

re: #198 jaunte

What does that make Michael Phelps?

I blame my Dad's Side. The Dutch part of my family interbred to the point where the genetic pool was kiddie sized, and the Norwegians had a history of mental disorders (Autism, Bipolar, Chronic Alcoholism, maybe others).

202 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:14:00pm

re: #199 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think that, in a large way, it's Romney getting frustrated with what he sees as uncooperative base. The party's all but crowned him as the nominee, but the base keeps shitting on him openly and publicly. It's a hate-hate relationship here: Romney hates the base, and they hate him in return.

Right about now, there's probably orders going out for crates of champagne at the Obama campaign HQ.

True, but at the same time Romney knows he can't win without some level of enthusiasm from the base, so going out of his way to piss them off makes no sense. Particularly after he's spent so much time pandering to the TP base with his cultural attacks on Obama as someone who "doesn't understand America" and wants to make us Europe.

203 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:16:54pm

Tofu... nobody really likes it, they just pretend.

204 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:17:56pm

re: #203 freetoken

Tofu... nobody really likes it, they just pretend.

I like it when it's marinated in soy sauce and then deep fried.

Otherwise you're spot on.

205 freetoken  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:20:09pm

re: #204 palomino

I like it when it's marinated in soy sauce and then deep fried.

You like soy sauce, and deep fried foods. Tofu is just the carrier, no?

My point is... nobody eats just tofu. It always has to be changed into something it wasn't originally.

206 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:20:27pm

re: #202 palomino

True, but at the same time Romney knows he can't win without some level of enthusiasm from the base, so going out of his way to piss them off makes no sense. Particularly after he's spent so much time pandering to the TP base with his cultural attacks on Obama as someone who "doesn't understand America" and wants to make us Europe.

Romney's probably running under that same logic so many doomed candidates run under: "What are they going to do, vote for the other guy?"

207 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:26:03pm

re: #206 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Romney's probably running under that same logic so many doomed candidates run under: "What are they going to do, vote for the other guy?"

AKA the McCain/Kerry/Gore/Dole/Dukakis/Mondale Strategy.

208 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:33:02pm

I see Rick is trying to out asshole his opponents. That's really hard to do when his opponents are Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Newt Gingrich. I mean really could you find a bigger group of condescending pricks?

209 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:34:25pm

re: #207 Lidane

AKA the McCain/Kerry/Gore/Dole/Dukakis/Mondale Strategy.

Ayep. The GOP's pretty much given up on selling their candidate as anything other than "Not Obama," which wasn't exactly a winning strategy in any of the above examples. When a majority of Americans look at the incumbent you're running against as the kinda guy they'd like to have a beer with, and your entire strategy is summed up in "He's bad, very bad!," you're SOL.

210 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:49:31pm

re: #209 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When a majority of Americans look at the incumbent you're running against as the kinda guy they'd like to have a beer with, and your entire strategy is summed up in "He's bad, very bad!," you're SOL.

What's worse is that none of the current GOP candidates are people you'd want to have a beer with. None of them are charming or personable. I never voted for Dubya, but he damn sure had the folksy charm down cold.

Despite some of Barack Obama's recent political decisions, both he and Michelle come across as a normal, stable couple who enjoy each other and who are gregarious. I can't imagine any of the GOP wives going on Ellen and doing push-ups like Michelle Obama did, or any of the GOP candidates making fun of themselves the way Obama has in the past. It sounds silly, but that kind of approachable persona matters. Mitt Romney looks like the guy that fires people, but less sincere. That's a problem.

211 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:52:41pm

There is an event on Campus Monday:

ISGOC
Due to increased humanitarian crises in Syria, Islamic Relief USA will be here this Friday to raise funds for displaced and refugees and also they will be here March 2nd as well. You don't have to waite go to Islamic Relief web and donate.

I have less than $400 in my bank account. But I want to do something. DO I give Money and hope I get the necessary hours at my job to compensate?

I hope I'm not permanently burning too many bridges here. I'm realizing by talking on here what I have to work on, and will continue to try to improve.

212 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 9:58:34pm

re: #211 ProLifeLiberal

There is an event on Campus Monday:

I have less than $400 in my bank account. But I want to do something. DO I give Money and hope I get the necessary hours at my job to compensate?

Give a small amount. A $5 or $10 donation on campus will be seen as generous, trust me. Think of it as skipping a fast-food meal for a cause you believe in. Save the rest of your money and just keep working.

213 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:00:45pm

re: #212 Lidane

I'll be doing that then. I looked up Islamic Relief. They are good and reputable.

214 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:04:12pm

Santorum Pines

will not be summering at this resort

215 palomino  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:05:16pm

re: #210 Lidane

What's worse is that none of the current GOP candidates are people you'd want to have a beer with. None of them are charming or personable. I never voted for Dubya, but he damn sure had the folksy charm down cold.

Despite some of Barack Obama's recent political decisions, both he and Michelle come across as a normal, stable couple who enjoy each other and who are gregarious. I can't imagine any of the GOP wives going on Ellen and doing push-ups like Michelle Obama did, or any of the GOP candidates making fun of themselves the way Obama has in the past. It sounds silly, but that kind of approachable persona matters. Mitt Romney looks like the guy that fires people, but less sincere. That's a problem.

Some comedian, probably Jon Stewart, recently said Romney "looks like the guy who just fired your Dad." And he talks like that guy too. No wonder his favorables are so low. Having said that, Mitt can still win if the economy takes another nosedive. If things look like we're in recovery, OTOH, I wouldn't bet much on him.

216 Lidane  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:15:16pm

re: #215 palomino

Having said that, Mitt can still win if the economy takes another nosedive. If things look like we're in recovery, OTOH, I wouldn't bet much on him.

Well, yeah. A lot can happen between now and November, so I'm not making any predictions just yet. Still, Romney isn't all that personable and the extended primaries aren't doing him any favors. We'll see.

217 blueraven  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:23:05pm

re: #201 ProLifeLiberal

What does that make Michael Phelps?

I blame my Dad's Side. The Dutch part of my family interbred to the point where the genetic pool was kiddie sized, and the Norwegians had a history of mental disorders (Autism, Bipolar, Chronic Alcoholism, maybe others).

Why do you always feel the need to place blame? What difference does it make? We are what we are, and all of us have some issues to deal with and baggage to carry around. It's part of growing up.
You need to lighten the load before it brings you down.
Giving up the blame game is one place you can start.

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:27:11pm

re: #203 freetoken

Tofu... nobody really likes it, they just pretend.

uhhh ever heard of the japanese? There's more to tofu than white dudes wearing their vegan-ness on their sleeve

I'm pretty sure the population of japan ain't pretending ;-)

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:28:21pm

re: #205 freetoken

You like soy sauce, and deep fried foods. Tofu is just the carrier, no?

My point is... nobody eats just tofu. It always has to be changed into something it wasn't originally.

hahaha isn't that what we do with food? like all kinds of food?

220 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:37:52pm

The eyes of New York sports fans are understandably on the Giants, but there's a classic 'underdog' story occurring the Madison Square Garden - The unlikely story of Jeremy Lin.

221 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:42:19pm

re: #218 WindUpBird

uhhh ever heard of the japanese? There's more to tofu than white dudes wearing their vegan-ness on their sleeve

I'm pretty sure the population of japan ain't pretending ;-)

Heh. Pretty sure Toke knows more about the Japanese than you ever will.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 7, 2012 12:16:18am

I like tofu. Admittedly, not in raw chunks, but then, I don't like chicken in raw chunks either. One has to cook it.

But good tofu is awesome.

223 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 7, 2012 9:08:10am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Occupy protesters living up to expectations today...
Occupy Pittsburgh Protestor Arrested For Megan’s Law Violation

Accused in stabbing waives bail hearing

Occupy DC Demonstrator Threw Bottle, Not Brick

You can nit pick and hate them but OWS is doing more good for the Country and the middle class then the corporate owned Tea Party ever did.


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