Breitbart Blogger: CPAC Rap Video Wasn’t Racist, They Were Innocently ‘Referencing Their Pants’

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That incredibly obnoxious, blatantly racist CPAC “rap” video (Steven Crowder and Chris Loesch, wearing powdered wigs) spread rapidly across the blogosphere yesterday, and now, unbelievably, an anonymous writer at Andrew Breitbart’s “Big Journalism” website is actually trying to claim that Crowder and Loesch’s use of the word “knickers” was totally innocent: Dog Whistle Progressives Fabricate Racial Incident at CPAC - Big Journalism.

(Note: this dishonest trash was written by “P.J. Salvatore,” the sock puppet account that Breitbart’s bloggers use when they want to avoid putting a real name on an article.)

Earlier today Comedian Steven Crowder and Chris Loesch, a production artist, performed a satirical (by design) number called “Mr. America” at CPAC as a last-minute request to mark the launch of the same name video. The video (and the performance) features Crowder and Loesch dressed as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson opining about the loss of American exceptionalism. “We were fighting off Red Coats while we were brewin’ our beer” raps Crowder. At one point in the song the duo say “knickers,” while referencing their old-school pants.

Remember this claim — we’ll be coming back to it. “P.J. Salvatore” continues:

A writer at Huffington Post, with an apparently inability to spell, convinced herself that they said a racial slur, based on the sole observation that the audio technician, who happens to be black, which blogger Amanda Terkel was quick to note, walked out of frame to fix the audio levels.

There was one particularly awkward moment in the performance, when they used the word “knickers,” which happens to sound a lot like a racially loaded word beginning with the letter “n.” The music then stopped and they joked, “What? Knickers? I can say knickers!” At that moment, coincidentally, a technician — who happened to be one of the only African-American individuals in the room and was working at the front at the time — stood up and walked away.

Terkel’s scope of journalistic integrity doesn’t include actually interviewing the subjects about whom she’s writing. Terkel did not stay or ask either Crowder or Loesch for comment, nor did she interview the audio technician. She didn’t post the original video, either, until asked, because it’s easier to blow the race whistle without context.

OK, so here’s some context for “P.J. Salvatore.” This was no “dog whistle,” it was an air raid siren. Crowder and Loesch deliberately used the word “knickers” as a play on the N word, and there’s no doubt at all about it. They weren’t just talking about their pants. Here are the pathetic lyrics in that section:

Yeah but right now you’re high, ain’t you big hitter
But I’m back from the dead now bringing back all my knickers

Man you think I’d say that, come on what’s wrong with you
I’m just talking about my short pants that tuck into my shoe

Get it? Actually, you’d have to be pretty dumb indeed not to get the point they’re making. This is apparently what conservatives consider “comedy” — finding sneaky ways to use racial slurs. And they’re doing it while mocking a specifically black American musical genre. Any questions about the “context” here?

There’s more context, too, because Crowder and Loesch posted a video of their awful “rap” song, with slightly higher production values than the hand-held iPhone version. And that video uses the exact same “outraged African American” schtick that they pulled at CPAC. They stop the music and protest, “What? Knickers? I can say ‘knickers’ because I WEAR knickers.” Get it?

Here’s that video, set to start at the point where they do their sneaky “joke:”

Youtube Video

Obviously, this was not just an innocent synonym for “pants.” They deliberately used the word “knickers” in a context that makes it very clear they were invoking a racial slur, and wrote a whole little skit to go with it.

“P.J. Salvatore” adds:

Big Journalism is working to identify and interview the audio technician.

Really? Well, you could start by asking your fellow blogger Steven Crowder.

But Mr./Mrs. “Salvatore” isn’t finished yet.

Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs, the man who once accused Andrew Breitbart of using a sandwich board as a computer (Ed. note: false), cracks out this lie:

Yes, they’re yelling the N word, pretending they’re saying “knickers.”

Johnson wasn’t there, of course, nor has he watched the video. Not that it would matter; everything any conservative does is somehow racist. Somewhat relatedly, Johnson thinks our Marines are “bloodthirsty killers.”

The first sentence contains a link (which I removed) to a blog run by obsessed right wingers who stalk me around the web, people who deny the Serbian genocide against Muslims and recently posted a video from a neo-Nazi group praising the racist, antisemitic novel “The Turner Diaries.”

And the last sentence is another outright lie, to add to the pile. Here’s the tweet I sent to Breitbart editor-in-chief John Nolte, when he laughingly praised the soldiers who got in big trouble with the Marine Corps by desecrating corpses:

I know logic isn’t a Breitbart blogger’s strong point, but I think it’s pretty clear that I was calling John Nolte “bloodthirsty” (which he is), not the US Marines.

John Nolte is also more bloodthirsty than a blue soap dish, which isn’t known for thirsting after blood at all.

This has been your daily ration of wingnut dishonesty, brought to you by Andrew Breitbart and his sock puppets.

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134 comments
1 blueraven  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:24:43pm

Sorry for the OT.
Maine Caucus Results

Romney 39%
Ron Paul 36%
Santorum18%
Gingrich 6%

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:27:32pm

Those morons should have stuck with pantaloons and tricornes.

John Nolte is also more bloodthirsty than a blue soap dish, which as far I know, isn’t known for thirsting after blood at all.

Never the less, you would be wise not to turn your back on a blue soap dish.

3 The Yankee  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:27:47pm

So if a liberal says socialism then he is a Nazi. But when 2 bad comedians make a rap song that uses an arcane word for under garments, that's not racist?

4 lockjawcanbefun  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:27:49pm
Big Journalism is working to identify and interview the audio technician.

I don't think I even want to know why.

5 Kragar  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:27:57pm

They object to calling Marines blood thirsty, yet hoot and howl with delight when the piss on a dead body or pose with Nazi symbols?

I served in the Marines for over 8 years. Salvatore can fuck right off.

6 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:27:59pm

I thought the rap was more stupid than racist, but it was real stupid.....

7 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:28:57pm

re: #6 Iwouldprefernotto

I thought the rap was more stupid than racist, but it was real stupid...

Racist and stupid are not self-exclusive.

8 blueraven  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:29:16pm

re: #6 Iwouldprefernotto

I thought the rap was more stupid than racist, but it was real stupid...

It was both; real stupid and real racist.

9 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:29:18pm

Right. They were really talking about knickers. Why it wasn't even a play on the n-word.

Yep. Sure it was.

10 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:29:41pm

re: #6 Iwouldprefernotto

Stupid, in the service of complaining that they can't use some words without people objecting.

11 Lidane  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:30:11pm

Dear Wingnuts,

If you have to write that much to try and explain a joke, it's probably not funny.

As usual, you idiots fail at comedy and at life.

No love,
Me

12 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:31:11pm

If it was innocent, then what's this line?

Man you think I’d say that, come on what’s wrong with you

What is 'that'?

Sheesh.

13 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:31:18pm

You start out in 1954 by saying, "ni**ger, ni**ger, ni**ger." By 2012 you can't say "ni**ger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like knicker... -- Steven Crowder

14 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:31:26pm
This is apparently what conservatives consider “comedy” — finding sneaky ways to use racial slurs.

Illustrated again and again by any HotAir thread on the First Lady.

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:31:46pm

re: #4 lockjawcanbefun

I don't think I even want to know why.

They'll only be able to "identify and interview" him if they can get him on record as saying he didn't think of it as a dog whistle. Otherwise it will be "We could not contact him" or "He declined to comment".

16 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:33:01pm

Steven Crowder: the Lee Atwater of "comedy."

17 Kragar  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:33:06pm

They keep trying to push the conservative before the comedy, and it really shows

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:34:49pm

re: #17 Kragar

Partisan ideology is funny when it's being parodied, not when it's being parroted.

19 ramex  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:35:00pm

I'm not an expert on colonial clothing or anything, but aren't those guys in the video wearing breeches? Choosing to call them "knickers" is a long stretch for a lousy joke.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:36:54pm

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

They'll only be able to "identify and interview" him if they can get him on record as saying he didn't think of it as a dog whistle. Otherwise it will be "We could not contact him" or "He declined to comment".

I thought the black guy was not in on the skit yesterday, but after seeing the other video I've changed my mind. It was clearly staged in the same way as the full production video, so they could stop the music and do their little bit about "What? Me racist?"

21 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:36:58pm

re: #19 ramex

I'm not an expert on colonial clothing or anything, but aren't those guys in the video wearing breeches? Choosing to call them "knickers" is a long stretch for a lousy joke.

Anyone who doesn't know what they did is truly stupid or willfully simulating it.

22 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:37:23pm

re: #19 ramex

I'm not an expert on colonial clothing or anything, but aren't those guys in the video wearing breeches? Choosing to call them "knickers" is a long stretch for a lousy joke.

This is what they were wearing for pants at CPAC.

23 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:37:27pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Yup.

24 Lidane  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:38:42pm

re: #17 Kragar

They keep trying to push the conservative before the comedy, and it really shows

That's why they suck at it.

What more liberal comedians learned a long time ago is that the joke is on the True Believer. Even if you believe in something very strongly, the best way to get laughs from an audience is to hold those beliefs up for ridicule or parody. You're supposed to make fun of yourself, or people who agree with you just as much as you make fun of the other guy.

25 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:40:30pm

Alternate reality:


Monica Crowley @MonicaCrowley
Sarah Palin ROCKED it just now at #CPAC. She is fearless. @SarahPalinUSA #YouGoGirl

26 Kragar  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:40:33pm

Conservative Tragedy: Comedy that happens to someone else.

27 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:41:58pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I thought the black guy was not in on the skit yesterday, but after seeing the other video I've changed my mind. It was clearly staged in the same way as the full production video, so they could stop the music and do their little bit about "What? Me racist?"

Agreed. It would be interesting to see how he feels about the bit now and if he feels he was misled about the nature of the event. I'm sure somebody around CPAC could find him to interview if they wanted to.

28 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:42:12pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I thought he might be the sound guy or something.

29 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:42:59pm

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought he might be the sound guy or something.

Kind of looks like the same guy in the production video.

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:44:32pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

You know that's going to be take way out of context, right?

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:46:23pm

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

You know that's going to be take way out of context, right?

No, I mean I think it really is the same guy.

32 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:46:41pm

Freetoken, anyone else. Here's the Daniel Hannan speech. If you go to 25:50 you can give it a listen and see if the says "white anglosphere" or "wide anglosphere."

[Link: cpac2012.conservative.org...]

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:47:18pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

They do look quite similar. But I'm just sayin...

Stalker assholes and all that.

34 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:47:30pm

re: #32 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Freetoken, anyone else. Here's the Daniel Hannan speech. If you go to 25:50 you can give it a listen and see if the says "white anglosphere" or "wide anglosphere."

[Link: cpac2012.conservative.org...]

There's a difference?

Derp.

35 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:49:30pm

re: #34 Opus Dei Rules!

There's a difference?

Derp.

If you go downstairs it was a point that others made. I can find it for you so you can understand the context of my pointing this out. Freetoken mentioned that he wanted to give it a listen again since he and someone else brought it up.

Derp.

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:50:04pm

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh. It's not possible for me to care less about what they say or do.

37 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:50:34pm

re: #35 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

If you go downstairs it was a point that others made. I can find it for you so you can understand the context of my pointing this out. Freetoken mentioned that he wanted to give it a listen again since he and some else brought it up.

Derp.

Gus, I was derping myself!

38 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:50:36pm

re: #32 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

I gave it another listen, and he says "wider."

39 Ming  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:51:02pm

I don't understand why the "right wing" is sinking so low. In recent weeks, posts at LGF (and other web sites) leave me astonished. OK, it was bad enough to learn that one of the Republican contenders, Ron Paul, has had extensive personal associations for decades with white supremacists. Now, at CPAC, the other front-runners (Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum) appear openly with white supremacists?

Can we sort of dismiss this as not-super-unusual, and say, e.g. well Barack Obama associated with Jeremiah Wright, whose church in 2007 published an article that said that AIDS was engineered in Israel for the purpose of killing people of color? I'm afraid not. There's something that uniquely bothers me about the current right-wing expressions of hatred. There's a sense of the apocalyptic, that this isn't an honest disagreement, but the mother of all battles between Good and Evil.

I suspect it was basically the same in Germany in the 1930's.

40 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:51:56pm

re: #32 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Freetoken, anyone else. Here's the Daniel Hannan speech. If you go to 25:50 you can give it a listen and see if the says "white anglosphere" or "wide anglosphere."

[Link: cpac2012.conservative.org...]

I think he said "rejoin the wider Anglosphere."

Brits are pretty meticulous about pronouncing Ts. If he'd said "white," it would have been clear.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:52:49pm

And with that, the short drive to the liquor store awaits.

BBL

42 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:54:14pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I think he said "rejoin the wider Anglosphere."

Brits are pretty meticulous about pronouncing Ts. If he'd said "white," it would have been clear.

Yep. Thought I heard "wide" the first time. It's "wider" but not "white". In any case, the notion of Anglosphereic supremacy is a rather odd and old fashioned (archaic) one. It in itself imples a certain amount of "whiteness" by its very nature. White Supremacy Lite™.

43 Lidane  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 3:54:22pm

re: #39 Ming

I don't understand why the "right wing" is sinking so low.

See: Obama, Barack.

This kind of shit was common on the far right for decades, but it always flew under the radar for most people. It tended to be the stuff your idiot uncle would say during the holidays that everyone would facepalm over, and that was it.

Now we've got a black man in the White House and an internet that lets every idiot uncle spew his ignorance at will, so we end up with the right wing we have today.

44 A Mom Anon  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:01:20pm

re: #39 Ming I think the sooner we really grasp that they hate us,not just dislike or disagree,but truly HATE us, the better off we'll be. By this point I don't even think the why they hate us matters so much as we don't let them make us afraid. It's super important we try to stick together too,the infighting needs to be minimized,if that means ignoring the asshats on our team and just keep plugging away and moving forward. We're the creative team,we don't need to always be loud and overly public about what we do as long as we do what we can.

I think that if you removed the left/right liberal/conservative tags off of actual policy and things that make life better for most people we'd find most people agree on things like the economy,healthcare and education. Maybe that's a part of what needs to happen now.

45 erik_t  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:01:27pm

re: #43 Lidane

See: Obama, Barack.

This kind of shit was common on the far right for decades, but it always flew under the radar for most people. It tended to be the stuff your idiot uncle would say during the holidays that everyone would facepalm over, and that was it.

Now we've got a black man in the White House and an internet that lets every idiot uncle spew his ignorance at will, so we end up with the right wing we have today.

And now your idiot uncle is in charge of the GOP and realizes that a bunch of them are just like him.

46 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:02:13pm

Romney wins Maine caucus. The world snoozes.

47 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:03:05pm

re: #42 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Yep. Thought I heard "wide" the first time. It's "wider" but not "white". In any case, the notion of Anglosphereic supremacy is a rather odd and old fashioned (archaic) one. It in itself imples a certain amount of "whiteness" by its very nature. White Supremacy Lite™.

Anglo == white.

48 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:03:28pm

Kristina Ribali @ORlibertygal
Palin has everything the feminists say you can have: beauty, success, strength, family and career.. Yet they hate her for it. #CPAC #CPAC12

Lol.

49 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:06:59pm

re: #47 SH1T My Conscience Says

Anglo == white.

Been to the UK lately?

//

Really, London is the most diverse city I've ever seen.

By the way, nice pic of A'Tuin.

50 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:07:08pm

re: #48 jaunte

Kristina Ribali @ORlibertygal
Palin has everything the feminists say you can have: beauty, success, strength, family and career.. Yet they hate her for it. #CPAC #CPAC12

Lol.

She's stupid, greedy and somewhat warped. That's why we dislike her.

51 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:07:28pm

re: #46 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

By only 3%, and Crazy Uncle nearly won.

52 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:09:23pm

Romney barely takes Maine 39% to 36% over Ron Paul.

Supporting my theory that if Mitt ends up solidifying the nomination it very well may be on the back of states the GOP cannot hope to take in the general election, while enthusiasm for him in traditionally Republican and swing states will be down. The fact that Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum has surpassed Romney in national Republican polls only backs this up.

53 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:10:05pm

re: #42 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Yep. Thought I heard "wide" the first time. It's "wider" but not "white". In any case, the notion of Anglosphereic supremacy is a rather odd and old fashioned (archaic) one. It in itself imples a certain amount of "whiteness" by its very nature. White Supremacy Lite™.

It's also creepy how it echoes the colonialist mandate of the last two centuries.

54 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:10:34pm

12 Hours at CPAC, the 'Mardi Gras of the Right'

...CPAC, like most political conventions, has the feel of an indoor state fair, with fewer fried cheese curds, more speechifying, and plenty of chances to score free knickknacks: beer koozies (courtesy of the American Conservative Union), tiny rubber fetuses (Human Life International), and sunglasses (Google). There are more than 5,000 attendees at the confab, which wraps up Saturday evening, along with hundreds of reporters from the "lamestream" media. When the crowd gets on it feet in the main ballroom -- which it does, often -- the place just howls.

55 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:11:22pm

re: #53 The Ghost of a Flea

It's also creepy how it echoes the colonialist mandate of the last two centuries.

"Anglo's burden" sounds so much better.

56 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:11:31pm

re: #49 austin_blue

Been to the UK lately?

//

Really, London is the most diverse city I've ever seen.

By the way, nice pic of A'Tuin.

In the minds of some, anglo isn't English or England, it's a pseudo-race based on an ahistorical image of 19th and 20th century English imperialists they identify with.

57 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:12:10pm

re: #48 jaunte

Kristina Ribali @ORlibertygal
Palin has everything the feminists say you can have: beauty, success, strength, family and career.. Yet they hate her for it. #CPAC #CPAC12

Lol.

Oh brother. Yeah, whenever I listen to a political speech the first thought on my mind is the "beauty" of a person. This almost reminds me of the joke "don't have me because I'm beautiful." Then there's the success, strength, family and career. You know, in everyday life I come across people that have beauty, success, strength, family and career yet I have absolutely no interest in know most of those people since they are in the end strangers to my life. In Palin's case none of these attributes have anything to do with the fact that she's a conservative animatron with a shrieking and almost intolerable vocalization and VOLUME which usually spews out 3rd grade level platitudes and cliches.

58 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:13:29pm

re: #57 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Hit that 'have' with a pencil.

59 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:13:45pm

If that were the case then I might as well start listening to Penelope Cruz for her political outlook.

//

60 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:14:01pm

re: #56 SH1T My Conscience Says

In the minds of some, anglo isn't English or England, it's a pseudo-race based on an ahistorical image of 19th and 20th century English imperialists they identify with.

Were those the guys with that Manifest Destiny?

61 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:14:36pm

re: #54 jaunte

12 Hours at CPAC, the 'Mardi Gras of the Right'

Except watching the CPAC Mardi Gras, you wish the boobs would remain under wrap.

62 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:14:44pm

re: #57 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Watching the CPAC twitter stream. Lots of Palin fans.

vote your conscience @wouldee5150
ibtimes.com/articles/29710… rational minds see the door is open for Palin2016. buyers' remorse?

Rational?

63 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:16:33pm

re: #62 jaunte

Watching the CPAC twitter stream. Lots of Palin fans.

Rational?

Rationality is such an unfamiliar event with the far right, they have trouble identifying it reliably.

64 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:17:17pm

re: #62 jaunte

Watching the CPAC twitter stream. Lots of Palin fans.

Rational?

What will be her qualifications then? Another reality TV show?

65 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:18:09pm

re: #39 Ming

I don't understand why the "right wing" is sinking so low. In recent weeks, posts at LGF (and other web sites) leave me astonished. OK, it was bad enough to learn that one of the Republican contenders, Ron Paul, has had extensive personal associations for decades with white supremacists. Now, at CPAC, the other front-runners (Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum) appear openly with white supremacists?

Can we sort of dismiss this as not-super-unusual, and say, e.g. well Barack Obama associated with Jeremiah Wright, whose church in 2007 published an article that said that AIDS was engineered in Israel for the purpose of killing people of color? I'm afraid not. There's something that uniquely bothers me about the current right-wing expressions of hatred. There's a sense of the apocalyptic, that this isn't an honest disagreement, but the mother of all battles between Good and Evil.

I suspect it was basically the same in Germany in the 1930's.

Good comment but you kind of Godwinned yourself there near the end. Yes things are bad. Both sides have pandered to their own radicals but the Republicans have a uniquely bad problem. However, we live in a very stable society even with the shitty economy. I don't think there's much realistic danger of Republicans going all Nazi on us.

66 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:19:02pm
67 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:19:54pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Were those the guys with that Manifest Destiny?

Chosen by God to bring Civilization(TM) To The Brown People!

may not intended to be a factual statement.

68 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:21:01pm

re: #66 jaunte

CPAC Panel Speaker Says Anti-Bullying Policies Led To Thought Control

Tha gay agenda is thought-controllin' me!

These people are like aliens from a different planet.

69 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:21:05pm

re: #54 jaunte

12 Hours at CPAC, the 'Mardi Gras of the Right'

Laissez les mal temps rouler!

70 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:21:09pm

There is some good news today:

US regulators approve new nuclear reactors for first time in 34 years.

:D

71 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:22:03pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Depends what you mean by 'going all Nazi'. The leading contenders for the GOP nomination are currently attending a conference where attacks on the houses of worship of a minority religion are applauded, racism is celebrated, crackpot economic theories are touted, militarism is rampant, a fictionalized view of history is being presented to gin up xenophobic nationalistic fervor and a sense that those in the country not thinking the same way are, in fact, traitors and dangerous.

72 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:22:22pm
73 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:23:21pm

re: #63 SH1T My Conscience Says

Rationality is such an unfamiliar event with the far right, they have trouble identifying it reliably.

Actually I have to modify this somewhat, because it also applies to the far left with their magic crystals, pyramids and transcendental levitation.

74 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:23:29pm

re: #72 Ojoe

Extra cool Towercam - look now.

Outstanding!

75 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:24:01pm

re: #71 Obdicut

After thinking about, I see what you were saying about Syria.

I guess there's just one thing in our power to do:Open the doors of the US for people to move here. If 1848 is the analogue year, Syria=Germany.

Let them flow into the US.

76 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:24:21pm

re: #69 BongCrodny

These bits of irrationality from that article sort of stuck out:

Her boyfriend, Robert Pyles, avuncular with his snowy hair and soft laugh, joined the conversation, and they began to chat about being "born again" Republicans. "We were both pretty hardcore Democrats up until Obama ran," said Pyles. "That was a wake up call," added Chester. "My gut, when I saw him, I knew he was evil."

Pyles served in the Navy, but, until 2008, hadn't voted Republican in three decades. He supported Clinton and detested Bush. In fact, the couple met at Al Gore's nominating convention in 2000. Then came Obama. "I found him empty, vapid," said Pyles. "'Hope and change,' what's that? I thought he had no substance."

Slowly, Chester, who grew up "a middle class, New York Jew," found that she couldn't tolerate NPR on the drive home anymore. "I started zooming around the dial. I discovered talk radio." Glenn Beck unearthed some latent libertarianism in her blood. "Obama made me feel so..." She paused, searching for the right word. "I instantly knew that he hated America. Repulsive."

77 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:24:50pm
78 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:25:10pm

Sproink.

79 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:25:13pm

re: #75 ProGunLiberal

Again, that has nothing to do with reality. It's nice to think about, I guess, but it's completely unworkable.

80 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:25:33pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Yes, we need to remember that the fringes are just that, fringe. They exist on the edges, and if the thing that they are on is big (USA 300 million plus) then the fringe is very small in proportion indeed.

81 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:26:34pm

re: #77 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Wow. That's a pathetically bad turnout.

82 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:26:49pm

re: #74 austin_blue

Outstanding!

Yes, and chilly and windy. I'm glad I'm indoors right now, but the mountains are fine too.

83 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:27:52pm

re: #77 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

So at 39% that's roughly 2,000 votes for Romney.

Awesome.

84 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:28:02pm

re: #79 Obdicut

Immigration is possible from Syria to the US right? I would like a statement like what came from the Turkish Foreign Minister.

Hell, we can even direct them to areas to make it easier to assimilate. The Upper Midwest has a great number of Arabs, especially Michigan.

85 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:28:07pm

re: #77 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Almost two high schools' worth.

86 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:28:47pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Wow. That's a pathetically bad turnout.

0.4 percent of the total population. There are 258,000 registered Republicans so 2.1 percent of Republicans.

87 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:30:01pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Depends what you mean by 'going all Nazi'. The leading contenders for the GOP nomination are currently attending a conference where attacks on the houses of worship of a minority religion are applauded, racism is celebrated, crackpot economic theories are touted, militarism is rampant, a fictionalized view of history is being presented to gin up xenophobic nationalistic fervor and a sense that those in the country not thinking the same way are, in fact, traitors and dangerous.

...But Mitt has the nomination pretty much locked up. If you separate his record from his campaign pandering do you really think he's going to propose closing down Planned Parenthood, outlawing gay marriage, repealing Obamacare as president? I think it's pretty doubtful. He wouldn't even support Paul Ryan's budget because he knows the math isn't going to add up and he's going to pay the political price.
Obama's campaign didn't appeal to me but I'm glad his promises were hollow pandering. I think he's doing a great job. I don't see much indication from Mitt's record that he's gong to transform the country into a right wing Christian theocracy.

88 b_Snark  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:30:11pm

re: #86 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

0.4 percent of the total population. There are 258,000 registered Republicans so 2.1 percent of Republicans.

Perhaps voting for politicians should be phone/text voting like they do for American Idol.

89 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:30:35pm

re: #84 ProGunLiberal

Immigration is possible from Syria to the US right?

What do you mean? Physically? It's not possible legally, it's not possible from an ethical standpoint-- why are you elevating Syrians above all the other refugees in the world?-- and it's not possible financially, but physically, sure.

90 Altermite  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:32:14pm

If enthusiasm keeps dropping, Ron Paul might actually win a state.

91 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:32:43pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

...But Mitt has the nomination pretty much locked up. If you separate his record from his campaign pandering do you really think he's going to propose closing down Planned Parenthood, outlawing gay marriage, repealing Obamacare as president? I think it's pretty doubtful. He wouldn't even support Paul Ryan's budget because he knows the math isn't going to add up and he's going to pay the political price.
Obama's campaign didn't appeal to me but I'm glad his promises were hollow pandering. I think he's doing a great job. I don't see much indication from Mitt's record that he's gong to transform the country into a right wing Christian theocracy.

Suppose the R's keep the House and take the Senate. You think he will veto his own Parties' legislation?

92 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:32:47pm

re: #70 ProGunLiberal

Did a page on this back on the 9th.

The permits may have been issued. But construction will be held up by lawsuits.

93 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:33:06pm

Hell Germany circa 1848 and Syria now are about the same population wise.

re: #89 Obdicut

Physically.

Why is it not possible legally? I do see your point about the refugees though. And by financially, I assume you mean the bungled mess of an immigration system that needs an overhaul right now?

94 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:33:19pm

re: #75 ProGunLiberal

After thinking about, I see what you were saying about Syria.

I guess there's just one thing in our power to do:Open the doors of the US for people to move here. If 1848 is the analogue year, Syria=Germany.

Let them flow into the US.

I have often wondered whether the immigration to the USA of a large percentage of Europe's intelligent and energetic people, was not the cause of the level of stupidity needed there for 2 world wars in the space of barely one generation.

95 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:34:05pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

...But Mitt has the nomination pretty much locked up. If you separate his record from his campaign pandering do you really think he's going to propose closing down Planned Parenthood, outlawing gay marriage, repealing Obamacare as president?

He might have a GOP House and Senate that will do so.

And he really doesn't have that much of a record, so there's not much to go off of. He was governor for 4 years of Massachussets, where he had no opportunity to go to the hard right, anyway.

I think it's pretty doubtful. He wouldn't even support Paul Ryan's budget because he knows the math isn't going to add up and he's going to pay the political price.

He fully supports Ryan's medicare plan, despite the fact the math doesn't add up.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I don't see much indication from Mitt's record that he's gong to transform the country into a right wing Christian theocracy.

Who said he was?

96 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:34:34pm

re: #92 Bubblehead II

Damnit! Do the environmental groups not see the big picture?

97 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:34:59pm

re: #95 Obdicut

He might have a GOP House and Senate that will do so.

And he really doesn't have that much of a record, so there's not much to go off of. He was governor for 4 years of Massachussets, where he had no opportunity to go to the hard right, anyway.

He fully supports Ryan's medicare plan, despite the fact the math doesn't add up.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Who said he was?

GMTA!

98 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:35:07pm
99 Flashmash  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:35:37pm

Caught me some CPAC today online.....SCARY! What a bunch of kooks!

100 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:35:43pm

And just because I like this profile pic!

Image: Kitten-in-headphones.gif

101 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:36:09pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

...But Mitt has the nomination pretty much locked up. If you separate his record from his campaign pandering do you really think he's going to propose closing down Planned Parenthood, outlawing gay marriage, repealing Obamacare as president? I think it's pretty doubtful. He wouldn't even support Paul Ryan's budget because he knows the math isn't going to add up and he's going to pay the political price.
Obama's campaign didn't appeal to me but I'm glad his promises were hollow pandering. I think he's doing a great job. I don't see much indication from Mitt's record that he's gong to transform the country into a right wing Christian theocracy.

The problem is that many of his supporters want him to. They will press him at ever opportunity to do so. If he can't stand up to them now, when will he?

102 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:37:05pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Depends what you mean by 'going all Nazi'. The leading contenders for the GOP nomination are currently attending a conference where attacks on the houses of worship of a minority religion are applauded, racism is celebrated, crackpot economic theories are touted, militarism is rampant, a fictionalized view of history is being presented to gin up xenophobic nationalistic fervor and a sense that those in the country not thinking the same way are, in fact, traitors and dangerous.

QFT.

I get a little riled when someone dismisses something as godwinning, when it actually might be comparable.

Be fucking vigilant.

103 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:37:13pm

re: #94 Ojoe

True. However, in the Arab Spring, I see an opportunity for the US. Immigration strengthens the US, and Syria, Egypt, and the other nations to vary degrees, provide a nice milkshake for us to drink from, so to speak.

104 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:38:35pm

re: #93 ProGunLiberal

Why is it not possible legally?

Do you bother to do any research on topics? We can't call every Syrian a political refugee, even if we did, it'd be morally contemptible to elevate them above those fleeing other opprressive regimes.

To do so legally, the president would have to send to congress the refugee ceiling number, and they'd have to accept it. The number last year was 80,000. You're proposing increasing that to several million. A GOP house is not going to accept that. No US congress in history would have, I don't think.

I do see your point about the refugees though. And by financially, I assume you mean the bungled mess of an immigration system that needs an overhaul right now?

I mean everything from the money necessary to get them here to the money necessary to settle them to the money necessary to have the security services vet them, since obviously the Bad Guys would take the opportunity too.

105 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:39:18pm

re: #96 ProGunLiberal

Nuke power is a faustian bargain if you ask me. Our bodies cannot distinguish between a common isotope and a radioactive one & they will incorporate any leaked radioactive element they might need as if it were safe, and since in nature everything mixes, and in the real world perfection is not to be had, nukes will always emit some really bad stuff for which evolution has given us no defense.

106 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:39:25pm

Hypothetically speaking, but assuming Romney would have to stand up against the nutballs in his party -- isn't it a bit late in the game for Mitt to be developing a backbone?

107 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:40:20pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

...But Mitt has the nomination pretty much locked up. If you separate his record from his campaign pandering do you really think he's going to propose closing down Planned Parenthood, outlawing gay marriage, repealing Obamacare as president? I think it's pretty doubtful. He wouldn't even support Paul Ryan's budget because he knows the math isn't going to add up and he's going to pay the political price.
Obama's campaign didn't appeal to me but I'm glad his promises were hollow pandering. I think he's doing a great job. I don't see much indication from Mitt's record that he's gong to transform the country into a right wing Christian theocracy.

I don't want Romney appointing judges or Justices because it's a simple way for him to throw red meat to wingnuts that would also screw everybody else over.

108 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:41:05pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

I don't want Romney appointing judges or Justices because it's a simple way for him to throw red meat to wingnuts that would also screw everybody else over.

Yeah. The appointment of judgeships is very important, and in that area I do believe that Mitt would appoint judges that, among other things, would tend to break down separation of church and state.

109 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:42:00pm

re: #104 Obdicut

I admit to not being famaliar with how the immigration system works in the US, aside from it being in horrific shape and in need of an overhaul.

The refugee allowance number is a problem from my view. The US is 310+ Million strong. We are accepting .002% of our population as refugees that is incredibly tiny.

110 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:42:56pm

re: #91 austin_blue

Suppose the R's keep the House and take the Senate. You think he will veto his own Parties' legislation?

Probably yes in a case like the Ryan budget. In fact I don't think the R's would even propose the Ryan budget if they thought it had any chance of passing.

111 McSpiff  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:43:20pm

re: #104 Obdicut

Exactly. First thing that pops into my mind is 'why not Darfour?', followed by 'Why not the Congo?', followed by..

112 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:44:15pm

re: #109 ProGunLiberal

I admit to not being famaliar with how the immigration system works in the US, aside from it being in horrific shape and in need of an overhaul.

Well, if you want to talk about solutions involving immigration, don't you think it behooves you to read up on this shit first? Where does talking from ignorance get you?

The refugee allowance number is a problem from my view. The US is 310+ Million strong. We are accepting .002% of our population as refugees that is incredibly tiny.

That's the refugee number, not total immigration number. And since each case has to actually be decided, we can't really accept many more than that without spending tons and tons more money on it. We can't just take people's words that they're fleeing oppression. They might be the oppressors themselves.

113 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:44:32pm

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are going to see the Panama Hats at the New World Deli tonight.

NPR's John Burnett is the mouth harp player. He's damn good. And 6' 7".

114 steve_davis  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:44:35pm

re: #24 Lidane

That's why they suck at it.

What more liberal comedians learned a long time ago is that the joke is on the True Believer. Even if you believe in something very strongly, the best way to get laughs from an audience is to hold those beliefs up for ridicule or parody. You're supposed to make fun of yourself, or people who agree with you just as much as you make fun of the other guy.

Humor is generally funny because it is self-effacing. It's laughing at oneself. Bugs Bunny telling the hotel manager, "Aaaah, I've been thrown outta better hotels than this" is the Depression Era joke on how all of us have no money but still want to maintain some level of basic dignity. "Aaaah, you Jews are goin' into the soap" would only be funny to some blond-haired Brownshirts binge-drinking at an indoctrination ceremony somewhere. Or CPAC. But I repeat myself (to borrow a teaspoon of acid from Mark Twain).

115 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:44:55pm
116 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:45:58pm

re: #115 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

Hah! I was just about to post this one.

117 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:46:08pm

re: #108 Obdicut

Yeah. The appointment of judgeships is very important, and in that area I do believe that Mitt would appoint judges that, among other things, would tend to break down separation of church and state.

Also judges in the pocket of a particular industry or corp, like the fellows down on the Gulf Coast.

I'm less worried about Romney giving us a theocracy--though I think he's spineless, and wouldn't resist legislation pushed by the theocrats of his party--and more worried about him rigging the game for major industry leaders.

118 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:46:35pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Hah! I was just about to post this one.

Do it! Just saw it flash by on Twitter. :)

119 Gus  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:46:50pm

Fruit midget!

120 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:46:56pm

re: #112 Obdicut

I'll be sure to learn more about the Immigration System. Right now, I know it is broken though.

121 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:47:43pm

re: #114 steve_davis

Letter fragment, 1891: Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. - Mark Twain

Things haven't changed much.

122 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:48:17pm

Way to barely beat Ron Paul, Mitt.

123 jaunte  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:48:49pm

re: #115 Breitbart's Blue Snuggie & Steven Chowderhead

High bacon slap!

124 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:49:36pm

re: #96 ProGunLiberal

Damnit! Do the environmental groups Anti-Nuke Groups not see the big picture?

Nope. If it has the words Nuclear Reactor in it, they will be against it. Even if it will help this Nation move away from Fossil Fuels and reduce Carbon Emissions. It is just the way they are.

The Conservs have the same problem on their side with Birth Control and Abortion. Multiple factions fighting amongst themselves.

125 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:50:24pm

Hot Air comment:

"CPAC has been taken over by RINOS! RINOOOoooOOOOooooooOOOOOOS!
DavidW on February 11, 2012 at 7:41 PM"

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:51:58pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

I don't want Romney appointing judges or Justices because it's a simple way for him to throw red meat to wingnuts that would also screw everybody else over.

this, precisely

127 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:54:05pm

re: #126 windupbird is in the gravity well

this, precisely

The court system is the only thing, in a lot of states, keeping the stupid fucking laws at bay.

128 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:56:15pm

re: #124 Bubblehead II

Nope. If it has the words Nuclear Reactor in it, they will be against it. Even if it will help this Nation move away from Fossil Fuels and reduce Carbon Emissions. It is just the way they are.

The Conservs have the same problem on their side with Birth Control and Abortion. Multiple factions fighting amongst themselves.

I have no problems with more reactors.
IF!
I get adequate assurances it's not going to be another MMS/BP fiasco or TEPCO/Japanese Govt. bullshit.

129 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:58:39pm

re: #127 Obdicut

The court system is the only thing, in a lot of states, keeping the stupid fucking laws at bay.

Literally, sometimes...

130 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 5:00:13pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

I have no problems with more reactors.
IF!
I get adequate assurances it's not going to be another MMS/BP fiasco or TEPCO/Japanese Govt. bullshit.

No problem, mate. We'll let Halliburton/KBR build them on no-bid contracts.

131 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 5:11:13pm

re: #127 Obdicut

The court system is the only thing, in a lot of states, keeping the stupid fucking laws at bay.

States enacted 80 anti-abortion provisions in the first half of 2011.

The thought of Brave Mitt Romney, back to the wall, finger in the dike against the forces of derpitude, strikes me as pretty funny.

132 labman57  Sat, Feb 11, 2012 7:32:53pm

They should team up with Rick Santorum who is against welfare for "blah" people.

133 labman57  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 7:40:04am

They should team up with Rick Santorum who is against welfare for "blah" people.

134 Mattand  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 10:59:16am

re: #73 SH1T My Conscience Says

Actually I have to modify this somewhat, because it also applies to the far left with their magic crystals, pyramids and transcendental levitation.

The problem with your modifier is that the New Age loons you cite aren't vying for leadership roles in the Democratic party.

Look, I know you mean well, but I'm sick to death of the whole False Balance meme. The conservative movement has been steadily embracing its inner Klansman since the day after Obama was elected. Not the same as Arriana Huffington's misguided support of alt med.


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