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Fox’s Liz Trotta on Rape in Military: ‘What Did They Expect?’

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Our Fox News right wing jaw-dropper of the day comes from Fox contributor Liz Trotta, in a segment about the Pentagon’s new rules for women in the military: Fox’s Liz Trotta on Sexual Assault in Military: ‘What Did They Expect? These People Are in Close Contact.’

Fox News contributor Liz Trotta attacked the Department of Defense for increasing spending on support programs for victims of sexual assault. Trotta also reacted to a Pentagon report showing a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults since 2006 by stating: “Well, what did they expect? These people are in close contact.”

Trotta began by claiming “we have women once more, the feminist, going, wanting to be warriors and victims at the same time” and later added that feminists “have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims’ advocates, sexual response coordinators. … you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much.”

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254 comments

1 Mattand  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:54:24pm

Because, you know, the women soldiers were asking for it. By being female.

Un-fucking-believable.

2 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:55:35pm

So according to the Right Wing, our soldiers are supposed to pose with Nazi symbols, piss on corpses, and rape their fellow female service members.

But they support the troops.

3 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:56:51pm

This attitude reminds me of one heard from an Imam in Saudi some time ago regarding sex and alcohol.

Men should not drink alcohol because if they do they might not know the difference between their wives and their daughters.

4 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:57:00pm

That's in line with what Rick Santorum said the other day about women serving in the military being a 'distraction'...though he re-phrased himself quickly to say that the chivalrous men would be distracted from trying to protect the frail women all the time.

5 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:57:04pm

What a hack.

6 renata39.5  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:57:42pm

A) Close contact is now an excuse for rape among these types? What on earth.

B) "being raped too much" I'm sorry, is there an acceptable amount of rape and then too much rape? Ass.

7 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:59:08pm

These assholes at Fox say 'feminist' like it's a bad thing.

8 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:59:26pm
SHAWN: Well, you certainly want the people fighting the war to be protected from anything that could be illegal.

TROTTA: Oh, look, I mean, that's -- nice try Eric. This whole question of women in the military has not been aired properly, and it's the great sleeping giant.

So there she is with the opportunity to air a real policy objection, but never quite gets to it.

9 mikec6666  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 1:59:52pm

By her logic they should do away with military police altogether. This is bad logic, bad public policy, and a badly thought out presentation.

10 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:00:59pm

re: #6 renata39.5

A) Close contact is now an excuse for rape among these types? What on earth.

B) "being raped too much" I'm sorry, is there an acceptable amount of rape and then too much rape? Ass.

Close contact apparently exists only in the military and not in colleges, businesses, churches, or any other location on Earth.

11 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:03:29pm

Sounds like mainstream conservative thought to me.

12 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:04:01pm

Oh hey, it's victim blaming. How original (Look what she was wearing) and entirely unexpected (She came on to me)! I mean, you never (She didn't really mean it when she said no) ever see this happen (She shouldn't have been there to start with) with women (She should have known that guy was trouble)! I'm shocked (What else can you expect from men?)!

13 ramex  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:05:29pm

She's the Goldilocks of rape. Too little, too much, just right.

14 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:09:59pm

re: #10 Kragar

Close contact apparently exists only in the military and not in colleges, businesses, churches, or any other location on Earth.

Rape is to be expected those places too. Just not as much.

15 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:10:55pm

"Defense Dept. spending on fighting good,
Defense Dept. spending on liberal, women's issues bad."

Hack Trotta mailing in the Fox demographic point of view.

16 Robert O.  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:11:13pm

I don't know whether to laugh or what...according to the latest polls by Pew and Gallup, Frothy and Corporations are people my friend are now tied in the national poll. It just stops being funny after a while when you realize there is still, lets say, a 25% chance (pending on the world economy) these people could have their fingers on the red button.

See Realclearpolitics.com

17 blueraven  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:12:14pm

Oh well, when you can joke that Osama/Obama should be killed (whats the diff? both if we could!) what do we expect from this washed up hack?

18 Mocking Jay  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:12:25pm

And if a gay GI is ever caught sodomizing another man, all holy hell will break loose.

19 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:12:30pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Rape is to be expected those places too. Just not as much.

What we need is legislature defining what the legally sanctioned raping times are, and they need to be posted where the public can see them and take note.
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20 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:13:05pm

Hmmm. So to believe this crap one would have to figure that the military can train troops to do or not do any number of things. Stay effective under fire. Run the newest equipment. Fire the latest weapons. Discern insurgents from the innocent.

But sexual restraint of the most basic kind for your fellow female soldier is out of the question? LOL. Is this why gays were not allowed? For fear they wold rape fellow soldiers?

What planet are these people really from? I think I now have proof of alien visitation but no alien intelligence present.

21 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:13:11pm

Good news!
Israeli wounded in attack near embassy in New Delhi released from hospital

Tali Yehoshua-Koren, the wife of an Israeli diplomat was moderately wounded on Monday when a car bomb exploded outside of Israel's embassy in New Delhi, was dismissed from the hospital after undergoing surgery.

Her family members in Israel have spoken to her husband who said she is recovering, and most of the shrapnel has been removed from her body. In the next 48 hours, a medical team will decide her condition and whether or not she will be able to return to Israel.

The Delhi bomb failed to kill anyone and the Georgian bomb failed to detonate.

22 erik_t  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:15:47pm

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Do they fucking listen to themselves? If I choose to donate a clue-by-four, does anyone know the address of the Fox News loading dock?

23 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:17:17pm

re: #22 erik_t

They know what they're saying. It's an easy program to run, requires very little thought, just some keywords.

24 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:19:41pm

re: #22 erik_t

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Do they fucking listen to themselves?

I'm thinking no.

LaBarbera and Wooden Reminisce about when Violence against the LGBT Community was 'Normal'

Wooden: My heart breaks and I literally mourn over what has happened to the NAACP. Ben Jealous says he has a brother who is transgendered in his family, the little boy grew up dressing like Diana Ross or somebody when he was a child, well I say his parents should’ve took the child and whooped the child’s behind and taught the child how to dress.

Wooden: If you want to get knocked out just go into a male bathroom in the African American community or any community I would think and you’re standing there in a dress and many times the people are trying to hit on people, trying to make sexual responses, one man there, you know, you don’t want to be in there feeling like another man is trying to look at your penis. We’ve always had a hostile response, or a disrespect if you will, for that kind of behavior.

LaBarbera: It used to be common of course, I’ve heard many stories. I remember a story from a military guy, saying a guy came and he was a sailor and they had some temporary little day off at port and some guy hit on him and he decked him.

Wooden: That’s normal.

LaBarbera: When you make a sexual advance against a man on man, that is a normal response, and yet I fear in the rise of political correctness what’s going to happen is, somebody is going to find out that there was a man in his wife’s—his wife was in the restroom when a transgendered man, a biological male, was in the female restroom and he’s gonna punch him, but then the man who punches him is gonna be charged with a hate crime, that’s what I’m afraid of.

Wooden: We’re not promoting, advocating violence here.

LaBarbera: Of course not!

25 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:20:13pm

Cashing in.

Nowhere in her [Vietnam] reminiscences does she suggest that her presence distracted male soldiers, made them feel overprotective of her, or tempted them into raping her. So either her opinion of military men and women has dropped like a stone since Vietnam, or she's just plain making stuff up.

But why would she do that? There's another clue in her Vietnam memories. Complaining about coverage of the war by less hawkish journalists, she told CSPAN, "The anti-war opinion was a theatrical opinion. It was an opinion that got you on the air and into the newspapers." Perhaps Trotta's struck upon a lucrative theatrical monologue of her own, and she performs it to great effect for Fox.[Link: motherjones.com...]

26 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:21:51pm

Dead thread hero returns: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

27 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:22:32pm

re: #24 Kragar

I'm thinking no.

LaBarbera and Wooden Reminisce about when Violence against the LGBT Community was 'Normal'

That kind of talk makes me rapidly alternate between feeling enraged and physically ill, to the point of it all blending together.

28 What, me worry?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:22:56pm

I could almost understand such nonsense coming from a man (or at least expect it), but from a woman? If it wasn't for all those nasty feminists fighting for women's rights, this woman wouldn't be a commentator on the Fox Racist News Channel.

29 Sionainn  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:23:54pm

re: #24 Kragar

I'm thinking no.

LaBarbera and Wooden Reminisce about when Violence against the LGBT Community was 'Normal'

Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm a woman and I can guarangoddamtee you that I'm not worried about a transgender female using the women's restroom while I'm in there, nor is my husband concerned.

30 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:25:10pm

re: #28 marjoriemoon

I could almost understand such nonsense coming from a man (or at least expect it), but from a woman? If it wasn't for all those nasty feminists fighting for women's rights, this woman wouldn't be a commentator on the Fox Racist News Channel.

Oh, you know how it works. Once those that are oppressed start getting access to some of the trappings of privilege, many of them are willing to toss those that are more oppressed under the bus in order to integrate themselves into the same oppressive power structure that had (And often still does) put them down.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:25:36pm

We at Fox News have never heard of "Liz Trotta" (sounds like a foreign feminist) and she didn't say that anyway.
/

32 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:25:44pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Dead thread hero returns: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I'll comment on this in 5 or 6 hours.

33 recusancy  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:26:30pm
34 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:27:08pm

re: #29 Sionainn

Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm a woman and I can guarangoddamtee you that I'm not worried about a transgender female using the women's restroom while I'm in there, nor is my husband concerned.

What? You're not scared for your life that another woman might need to fix her hair or pee or, god forbid, poop?

35 Sionainn  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:29:55pm

re: #34 Simply Sarah

What? You're not scared for your life that another woman might need to fix her hair or pee or, god forbid, poop?

Nope. I wouldn't be freaked out if my girls were in the restroom without me, either (mentioning that since that's what a lot of knuckle-draggers freak out about, too).

36 What, me worry?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:32:02pm

re: #30 Simply Sarah

Oh, you know how it works. Once those that are oppressed start getting access to some of the trappings of privilege, many of them are willing to toss those that are more oppressed under the bus in order to integrate themselves into the same oppressive power structure that had (And often still does) put them down.

I had to check out her age because I was convinced she was a young person. Em... no. She was born in 1937. However, her wiki led me to an article in which she joked about assassinating Obama in 2008. Oh what a funny gal she is!

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Discussing Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s reference last week to the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 primary season, the Fox analyst, Liz Trotta, said Sunday that “now we have what some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama, um, Obama — well, both, if we could.

So age has nothing to do with the fact that she's just a moron.

37 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:34:21pm

A female soldier in the US army is more likely to be raped by fellow soldiers than suffer an injury from enemy attack. One of the many reasons I do not endorse blind hero-worship of the US military (or any army).

38 What, me worry?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:35:47pm

Good grief, if we had more gay guys in the military, we wouldn't have to worry about it! I say draft only gay men and hetero women!

39 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:35:55pm

So we shouldn't have Muslims in the military (might be traitors!), can't have gays in the military (might be oversexed!), and now we can't have women in the military (might get raped!). At this point, I'm shocked they haven't tried to make a case for resegregating the services...yet.

40 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:36:47pm

re: #37 Alexzander

We need some massive changes and reforms in the Military, and perhaps even some major early-retirements.

41 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:38:07pm

re: #28 marjoriemoon

I could almost understand such nonsense coming from a man (or at least expect it), but from a woman? If it wasn't for all those nasty feminists fighting for women's rights, this woman wouldn't be a commentator on the Fox Racist News Channel.

They wanted her femaleness to give them cover for presenting this tripe. I'd say shame on her, but apparently she doesn't have that capability.

42 Locker  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:38:27pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

nd now we can't have women in the military (might get raped!)

Might get raped "too much" and cost us a lot of money by forcing us to care.

43 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:38:45pm

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

We need some massive changes and reforms in the Military, and perhaps even some major early-retirements.

Unfortunately the problems run quite deep. We live in a culture that subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) endorses rape.
Hopefully things will continue to improve over the next 100 years so that our grandchildren can look back upon us and see our time as the end of a moral dark ages.

44 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:39:40pm

re: #43 Alexzander

I heard the officer corp is much of the problem. I wonder how true that is.

45 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:40:09pm

re: #37 Alexzander

A female soldier in the US army is more likely to be raped by fellow soldiers than suffer an injury from enemy attack. One of the many reasons I do not endorse blind hero-worship of the US military (or any army).

Do you endorse blind hero worship of anyone?

46 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:42:50pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Do you endorse blind hero worship of anyone?

Cthulhu is my co-pilot.

47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:44:04pm

The Twitter counter for the Fox post is about to go over 5000.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:45:11pm

re: #24 Kragar

wow, those are terrible people

49 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:45:18pm

Then again, weren't these the same "experts" who were telling us months ago that we couldn't do away with DADT, because it would cause totally anarchy in the ranks, that our soldiers couldn't handle gays serving openly, and that thousands would leave rather than serve beside openly gay soldiers?

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:45:54pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

only about 4000 to go until we get those goddamn dragonballs

51 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:46:38pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

You mean the number of times the link has been clicked which is a really important distinction because argle bargle howl at the moon yo.

52 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:47:26pm

re: #7 darthstar

These assholes at Fox say 'feminist' like it's a bad thing.

Because by their idiot logic, it is.

53 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:47:52pm

re: #46 Kragar

Cthulhu is my co-pilot.

But we crashed and he ate me.

54 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:49:12pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Do you endorse blind hero worship of anyone?

The Ninja Turtles and perhaps the first generation of Power Rangers? Also the full "cast" of Fox & Friends.

56 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:50:34pm

re: #11 Amory Blaine

Sounds like mainstream conservative thought to me.

Pretty much. Women have been hearing different variations of this shit for decades:

"Well, she should have expected to be raped when she wore that dress."

"She was at a party / had a few drinks / was out at a club/ etc. What did she expect?"

"If she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have become a cop / joined the military / taken a job as [insert traditional male occupation here]."

"It's the feminists' fault. If women weren't out there asserting themselves, they wouldn't be getting raped or abused."

And so on and so forth. This kind of repulsive, sexist shit isn't new.

57 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:53:27pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Do you endorse blind hero worship of anyone?

In Vader We Trust!

//

58 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:54:10pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Noot Hing is sacred.

59 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:54:59pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

In Vader We Trust!

//

I'm sorry, but Anakin was too much of a whiny bitch for me to respect.

60 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:55:02pm

So they're pro rape and anti birth control? Am I missing something?

62 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:56:16pm

re: #60 Iwouldprefernotto

So they're pro rape and anti birth control? Am I missing something?

They support the troops and love women. Really. =P

63 What, me worry?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:56:24pm

re: #56 Lidane

Pretty much. Women have been hearing different variations of this shit for decades:

"Well, she should have expected to be raped when she wore that dress."

"She was at a party / had a few drinks / was out at a club/ etc. What did she expect?"

"If she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have become a cop / joined the military / taken a job as [insert traditional male occupation here]."

"It's the feminists' fault. If women weren't out there asserting themselves, they wouldn't be getting raped or abused."

And so on and so forth. This kind of repulsive, sexist shit isn't new.

No, but I always find it a bit shocking coming from women.

64 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:56:44pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney Thinks Mandatory Drug Testing For Welfare Recipients Is ‘An Excellent Idea’

Does that include corporate welfare? After all, corporations are people too.

65 What, me worry?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:56:52pm

re: #56 Lidane

Pretty much. Women have been hearing different variations of this shit for decades:

"Well, she should have expected to be raped when she wore that dress."

"She was at a party / had a few drinks / was out at a club/ etc. What did she expect?"

"If she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have become a cop / joined the military / taken a job as [insert traditional male occupation here]."

"It's the feminists' fault. If women weren't out there asserting themselves, they wouldn't be getting raped or abused."

And so on and so forth. This kind of repulsive, sexist shit isn't new.

I assume the Uterati is a hive mind, you know :p

66 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:58:09pm

Trotta is pro rape in the military to keep women out of it. No mention of the option of trying to keep rapists out of the military.

67 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:58:28pm

re: #63 marjoriemoon

No, but I always find it a bit shocking coming from women.

I don't. Liz Trotta is no different than Phyllis Schlafley.

Female far right pundits have always pulled shit like this to try and appeal to far right men and make them think they're "safe" or that they're one of them. It's not new. It's a rehash of what these women were saying during the ERA fights.

68 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 2:59:10pm

Santorum suggests Romney rigged CPAC vote

"You have to talk to the Romney campaign and how many tickets they bought, we've heard all sorts of things," Santorum said.

"We didn't pay them to turn out," he added, speaking of his supporters at CPAC, Missouri and elsewhere.

He went on to say that he didn't think there was anything wrong with that, except he doesn't want to engage in that kind of politics.

69 What, me worry?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:00:18pm

re: #67 Lidane

I don't. Liz Trotta is no different than Phyllis Schlafley.

Female far right pundits have always pulled shit like this to try and appeal to far right men and make them think they're "safe" or that they're one of them. It's not new. It's a rehash of what these women were saying during the ERA fights.

And I find Schiafley shocking also, and the rest of them.

Anti-Feminist Women
Anti-Israeli Jews
Gay Republicans
Black Republicans

All pretty much in the WTF boat for me.

70 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:00:39pm

re: #68 Kragar

Santorum suggests Romney rigged CPAC vote

I thought the Paulians would be really pissed. They've been able to stack it their way the last few years.

71 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:01:59pm

Virginia House passes ‘personhood’ bill

The bill was introduced by Del. Bob Marshall (R-Prince William), one of the most outspoken legislators on abortion issues and a candidate for U.S. Senate this year.

Similar legislation passed the House last year, but died in the Senate, which was controlled by Democrats. Supporters hope that the Senate, now led by the GOP, will approve the bill this year, but its fate is still unclear.

Marshall said his bill, modeled after legislation in Missouri, would not affect birth control, miscarriages or abortions but would affect the way that courts define a person. For example, parents could receive damages for the death of a fetus in a wrongful death lawsuit.

“To claim using birth control will get you in trouble with this statue is simply false,’’ Marshall said. “It does not have the affect of criminalizing birth control. This does not directly effect abortion.’’

Critics disagree.

“This bill requires every single code section in Virginia that uses the word ‘person’ to apply to a fetus,” Del. Jennifer McClellan (D-Richmond) said. “That opens families and doctors to a wide variety of criminal and civil lawsuits for health-care decisions not only in cases of unwanted pregnancies, but every pregnancy and even miscarriage.”

The House rejected a floor amendment by Del. Vivian Watts (D-Fairfax) that would have ensured that contraception would remain legal.

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:02:31pm

re: #59 Kragar

I'm sorry, but Anakin was too much of a whiny bitch for me to respect.

That's why I just choose to ignore the prequels.

73 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:03:50pm

re: #59 Kragar

I'm sorry, but Anakin was too much of a whiny bitch for me to respect.

Who is this 'Anakin' you speak of? I don't acknowledge the prequels. =P

74 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:03:58pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

That's why I just choose to ignore the prequels.

Ditto for Luke.

"But I was going to head into Toshi station for some power convertors!"

75 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:04:42pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney Thinks Mandatory Drug Testing For Welfare Recipients Is ‘An Excellent Idea’

And so the GOP feeds another Constitutional amendment into the paper shredder. *rolls eyes*

76 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:05:04pm

I'm just bitter that SW:OTR wouldn't let me name my smuggler Han'Jobba

77 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:05:13pm

re: #71 Kragar

Virginia House passes ‘personhood’ bill

That's the same douchebag that just had his "ZOMG CREEPING SHARIA" bill sent back to be re-written because business groups hated it:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

78 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:05:30pm
79 Jimmi the Grey  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:05:50pm

re: #64 Lidane

Does that include corporate welfare? After all, corporations are people too.

We should just make it anyone who takes/gets federal monies, just to be safe.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:07:36pm

re: #74 Kragar

Ditto for Luke.

"But I was going to head into Toshi station for some power convertors!"

I think that Jedi are contractually obligated to be one of two kinds of people: whiny dipshits or emotionless assholes. There's not really a lot of room in between.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:08:17pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney Thinks Mandatory Drug Testing For Welfare Recipients Is ‘An Excellent Idea’

Mandatory drug testing for EVERYONE; it's the only way we can end welfare fraud and bring about our cherished goal of less government!

82 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:08:26pm

re: #78 jaunte

Phil Plait:
"Why spend money on NASA when we need that money here on Earth?"

removing the snark because I can't get to the link.

83 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:08:43pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

That may be George Lucas' full spectrum.

84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:08:48pm

Good afternoon Lizards.

The corporation giveth, and the corporation taketh away.

My Blackberry was retired today and I get to break in an Iphone 4 now.

But, at the same time, the web-block list was updated over the weekend. LGF can be read, but the logon screen is blocked. So I can read comments, but not add any. So I'm suffering from snark withdrawl.

I also want to see the current topic meme converted into a 1%-er thing; e.g the rich should expect to be mugged or robbed whenever they come in close contact with the lower classes. :p
/

85 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:09:26pm

re: #82 Kragar

Because the smart people are trying to get far away from idiots like Phil Plait.

I think you should take a look at the article.

86 celticdragon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:10:34pm

re: #2 Kragar

So according to the Right Wing, our soldiers are supposed to pose with Nazi symbols, piss on corpses, and rape their fellow female service members.

But they support the troops.

If the right wingnut types want our soldiers to act like Chaos Space Marines from Warhammer 40k, then they need to drop the pretense of being "Christian".

87 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:11:10pm

re: #85 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I think you should take a look at the article.

Can't get to the link, been reading wingunut bullshit all afternoon and assumed the worst.

88 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:12:07pm

re: #86 celticdragon

If the right wingnut types want our soldiers to act like Chaos Space Marines from Warhammer 40k, then they need to drop the pretense of being "Christian".

I could kiss you right now.

89 cinesimon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:12:38pm

I've always found the right wing's assumptions about our troops disconcerting. Apparently 'support our troops' means assuming there all pathological sexual predators, and sending them in to wars of choice to die for no real reason.
And the right wing claim the military as theirs?
Those in the military who vote republican, of course, remind me of anyone who isn't a selfish billionaire who votes for them - and against their own interests. Difference is, of course, the likelihood of dying for some senator's ego is much higher when you're in the military.

90 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:13:50pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

I think that Jedi are contractually obligated to be one of two kinds of people: whiny dipshits or emotionless assholes. There's not really a lot of room in between.

The closest thing we have to the Jedi in "real life" are the taliban.

91 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:14:02pm

re: #87 Kragar

He makes mainly two points: the money isn't shot into space in a rocket, but spent here, goes back into the economy. And the present investment in science allows us to continue to build on new technological advances, not to "eat our seed corn."

92 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:14:38pm

re: #87 Kragar

Can't get to the link, been reading wingunut bullshit all afternoon and assumed the worst.

Phil Plait:

During last week’s Q&BA live video chat session on Google+, I got the question, "Why spend money on NASA when we need that money here on Earth?"
This is a common question, and very apropos given the terrible budget news we got about NASA earlier today. So I put my answer up on YouTube. We’ll be hearing this argument a lot in the upcoming budget battles, and hopefully this’ll help show why we need to spend money on NASA, even more than we are now.

I have a lot of blog posts dealing with this issue, since it comes up so often. You’ll find all them linked in this blog post: Debating Space. We need to be exploring space, and we need to be investing in our future. Science and exploration are our future.

93 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:15:24pm

re: #91 jaunte

He makes mainly two points: the money isn't shot into space in a rocket, but spent here, goes back into the economy. And the present investment in science allows us to continue to build on new technological advances, not to "eat our seed corn."

Well, thats different then.

Carry on.

94 celticdragon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:15:52pm

re: #88 Kragar

I could kiss you right now.

LOL

My spouse may get annoyed, tho...

95 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:16:46pm

re: #94 celticdragon

LOL

My spouse may get annoyed, tho...

So would mine.

On the other hand, she might enjoy the break.

96 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:18:04pm
97 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:18:09pm

Austan Goolsbee @Austan_Goolsbee
send me ideas: you know you're severely conservative when ...? #severelycon

98 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:18:13pm

This is the current front-runner for the GOP Presidential nomination.

Rick Santorum Accuses Obama Of Helping Iran Acquire Nuclear Weapons

SANTORUM: They know that oil is drying up. And they know that not building that pipeline we’re not going to have access to oil reserves. And they know they’re going to be more dependent upon OPEC and so what are we doing? We’re throwing Israel under the bus because we know we’re going to be dependent on OPEC. We’re going to say ‘Oh Iran, we don’t want you to get a nuclear weapon, wink, wink, nod, nod, go ahead just give us your oil.

99 celticdragon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:18:17pm

re: #90 Alexzander

The closest thing we have to the Jedi in "real life" are the taliban.

Nah.

The Jedi are manga warrior monks. The only thing missing is the impossible whooshing anime background when they jump into the air to make an attack.

100 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:18:43pm

Not to get weird, but my wife made cornbread muffins so good I could make sweet love to them.
mmmm good.

101 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:19:25pm

So military men just can't help themselves and are natural rapists.

My husband's a military officer, and I guarantee you he doesn't want this kind of "support" from Fox News.

102 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:19:41pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney Thinks Mandatory Drug Testing For Welfare Recipients Is ‘An Excellent Idea’

Here's another bit of GOP brilliance -- forcing people on unemployment and who are looking for a job to work for free to keep their benefits:

Senate Republicans Would Require The Unemployed To Volunteer

Republicans in the U.S. Senate want the long-term unemployed to volunteer for 20 hours a week in order to receive unemployment insurance.

A bill introduced Thursday by Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) would also require claimants drawing benefits six months or longer to search for work at least 20 hours a week.

"Engagement in volunteer service will encourage unemployed workers to maintain job skills, marketability, and a sense of self-worth while providing for the betterment of their communities," Burr said in a statement. "Even more, the active job search requirement will enhance the integrity of the unemployment system and its ability to identify and serve those most in need."

Because really, how hard could it be to look for a job when you're spending half your available working hours doing mandatory "volunteer" work?

103 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:19:58pm

re: #100 Tommy

Then share the recipe.

104 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:20:14pm

re: #99 celticdragon

Nah.

The Jedi are manga warrior monks. The only thing missing is the impossible whooshing anime background when they jump into the air to make an attack.

Fun fact: They had to edit out Ewen McGregor making the whooshing noises during the filming of the lightsaber fights.

105 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:20:29pm

I'm still trying to come up with a reason to force welfare recipients to have sonograms as well as drug tests. Anyone have any ideas?

106 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:20:46pm

re: #99 celticdragon

Nah.

The Jedi are manga warrior monks. The only thing missing is the impossible whooshing anime background when they jump into the air to make an attack.

Afro Samurai!

107 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:20:57pm

re: #101 funky chicken

So military men just can't help themselves and are natural rapists.

My husband's a military officer, and I guarantee you he doesn't want this kind of "support" from Fox News.

Why don't they want to do their part according to God' Will?
/

108 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:21:20pm

Northern California just got rattled:

A 5.5-magnitude earthquake hit Northern California, near Weitchpec, according to the United States Geological Survey

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:21:25pm

re: #102 Lidane

soo...they hate government and want to shrink it so much that they want to indenture vulnerable people to it.


Conservative logic yay!

110 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:21:57pm

re: #105 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Focus on the people who aren't white and call them "urban", then suggest they're all taking advantage of the system. That should work like a charm.

///

111 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:22:23pm

re: #108 ProGunLiberal

Northern California just got rattled:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Yep...just a little one up north. Probably shook up a few plants.

112 celticdragon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:22:27pm

re: #98 Kragar

This is the current front-runner for the GOP Presidential nomination.

Rick Santorum Accuses Obama Of Helping Iran Acquire Nuclear Weapons

So Frothy watched the Mel Gibson movie "Edge of Darkness" where the nuke weapon contracting company is selling fissile material to the bad guys...and he thought it was a documentary.

/rolls eyes/

113 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:22:37pm

re: #108 ProGunLiberal

Northern California just got rattled:

The 9th Court has angered God!

///

114 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:22:50pm

re: #105 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

Well, at the very least we can have them wear some kind of patch or even tattoo so that we know they aren't clean.

I feel like we need a very special kind of "protofacist wingnut" txt.

115 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:23:24pm

re: #103 funky chicken

Jifffy corn bread mix with two tablespoons of honey.

116 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:23:39pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

The 9th Court has angered God!

///

God never fuckin' liked us much anyway...too foggy along the coast to walk around in sandals...though lots of us do.

117 celticdragon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:24:31pm

bbl

118 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:25:18pm

re: #89 cinesimon

Sadly, liberals are also fond of sending troops off to die for little reason. Madeline Albright famously asked Colin Powell why we had such a big military if we couldn't keep them in Somalia and send them into other hotspots.

LBJ wasn't exactly a "severe conservative," after all.

119 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:26:24pm

re: #111 darthstar

There's a few small towns up there.

Hope they are okay.

120 blueraven  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:26:32pm

re: #105 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I'm still trying to come up with a reason to force welfare recipients to have sonograms as well as drug tests. Anyone have any ideas?

We have to make sure that baby is not born addicted!

121 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:26:49pm

Strong leadership for the future!

Norquist: Romney Will Do As Told

The requirement for president?
"Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared."

122 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:28:05pm

re: #120 blueraven

We have to make sure that baby is not born addicted!

I've got it! When they go in for their mandatory drug test, we have to add a sonogram to make sure they aren't hiding drug-filled condoms........somewhere

123 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:28:40pm

re: #121 jaunte

Strong leadership for the future!

Norquist: Romney Will Do As Told

They keeping talking about this Constitution thing like they've read it, but it sure seems like they haven't.

124 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:29:13pm

Don't forget Valentines day is tomorrow!
I pissed my wife off today, she probably made them muffins with sawdust.

125 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:29:34pm

re: #123 Kragar

Baron Norquist has captured the King!

126 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:29:55pm

re: #121 jaunte

Strong leadership for the future!

Norquist: Romney Will Do As Told

And here I thought that whole "Romneybot" thing was sarcasm. Who knew?

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:30:42pm

re: #109 windupbird is in the gravity well

soo...they hate government and want to shrink it so much that they want to indenture vulnerable people to it.

Conservative logic yay!

The Conservative Logic Ray is the alien secret weapon that will be used to conquer us.

128 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:30:56pm

"Romney 2012: He'll do what he's told" actually seems like a truthful campaign slogan.

129 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:31:01pm
130 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:31:19pm

Conservatism has turned into this odd cult.

131 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:32:12pm

re: #130 Gus

Conservatism has turned into this odd cult.

You say "cult" like it's a bad thing!

///

132 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:33:06pm

re: #105 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

I'm still trying to come up with a reason to force welfare recipients to have sonograms as well as drug tests. Anyone have any ideas?

Once you have a Personhood Bill passed, you can sodomize er, sonogramize any woman, any time, just to see if there might be a fertilized egg in there, you know, needing protection and stuff.

133 Alexzander  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:33:24pm

I think I may have just crossed my own rubicon for absurdity.

134 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:33:29pm

re: #71 Kragar

Virginia House passes ‘personhood’ bill

“This bill requires every single code section in Virginia that uses the word ‘person’ to apply to a fetus,” Del. Jennifer McClellan (D-Richmond) said. “That opens families and doctors to a wide variety of criminal and civil lawsuits for health-care decisions not only in cases of unwanted pregnancies, but every pregnancy and even miscarriage.”

Hmm. I wonder how OB/GYNs feel about this legislation?

135 darthstar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:33:30pm

re: #119 ProGunLiberal

There's a few small towns up there.

Hope they are okay.

There was a great picture in the Chronicle after they were hit by a 6.4 a while back. Looking for damage, the reporter went into a smoke shop where the proprietor held up a broken bong, which was the only picture of damage I could find after that quake.

5.5 isn't bad...makes the windows rattle and dogs bark. Rarely any structural damage - especially with wood-construction. Everything absorbs the shock just fine.

136 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:34:11pm

re: #130 Gus

Conservatism has turned into this odd cult.

[Link: media.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

137 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:35:24pm
138 Mocking Jay  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:35:38pm

re: #128 Kragar

"Romney 2012: He'll do what he's told" actually seems like a truthful campaign slogan.

From Maverick to puppet in one election cycle...

139 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:37:24pm

Populism and ignorant rhetoric to feed the right wing masses to vote for Republican candidates to serve the super rich heavy industry owners.

140 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:37:57pm

re: #138 They're pants, essentially...

From Maverick to puppet in one election cycle...

If anyone notices the hand up Romney's ass, he'll lose the Evangelicals for good...
/

141 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:39:19pm

Severe Conservative Syndrome

How did American conservatism end up so detached from, indeed at odds with, facts and rationality? For it was not always thus. After all, that health reform Mr. Romney wants us to forget followed a blueprint originally laid out at the Heritage Foundation!

My short answer is that the long-running con game of economic conservatives and the wealthy supporters they serve finally went bad. For decades the G.O.P. has won elections by appealing to social and racial divisions, only to turn after each victory to deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy — a process that reached its epitome when George W. Bush won re-election by posing as America’s defender against gay married terrorists, then announced that he had a mandate to privatize Social Security.

Over time, however, this strategy created a base that really believed in all the hokum — and now the party elite has lost control.

The point is that today’s dismal G.O.P. field — is there anyone who doesn’t consider it dismal? — is no accident. Economic conservatives played a cynical game, and now they’re facing the blowback, a party that suffers from “severe” conservatism in the worst way. And the malady may take many years to cure.

142 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:41:02pm

re: #115 Tommy

Jifffy corn bread mix with two tablespoons of honey.

Yeah, I've tried all kinds of recipes for corn bread, and Jiffy + sweetener is always better. I was hoping your wife had cracked the code. I'll try the honey next time though.

143 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:41:33pm
144 dragonfire1981  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:41:57pm

re: #102 Lidane

Here's another bit of GOP brilliance -- forcing people on unemployment and who are looking for a job to work for free to keep their benefits:

Senate Republicans Would Require The Unemployed To Volunteer

Because really, how hard could it be to look for a job when you're spending half your available working hours doing mandatory "volunteer" work?

21st century slavery?

145 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:43:14pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

At the same time...

Virginia House votes to expand capital punishment

"Right to Life," my ass!

Once you're born, out there where they can see you, they don't give shit anymore.

146 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:43:34pm

re: #102 Lidane

Here's another bit of GOP brilliance -- forcing people on unemployment and who are looking for a job to work for free to keep their benefits:

Senate Republicans Would Require The Unemployed To Volunteer

Because really, how hard could it be to look for a job when you're spending half your available working hours doing mandatory "volunteer" work?

INTERNSHIPS.

147 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:43:38pm

re: #144 dragonfire1981

21st century slavery?

Corvée sounds nicer, but is also more accurate:

...corvée differs from chattel slavery in that the worker is not owned outright – being free in various respects other than in the dispensation of his or her labour – and the work is usually intermittent; typically only a certain number of days' or months' work is required each year. It is a form of unfree labour where the worker is not, or not fully, compensated.

148 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:44:03pm

See, it's not really about abortion and contraception. At least not too much. All of that is to get the American yokels to vote for Republicans. That's the red meat that gets them to vote for these candidates. If you shroud AGW in the Bible for example you're speaking to the right wing masses. That of course serves the purpose of the petroleum industry once they're elected into power. The CEO of Exxon, for example, isn't thinking about the Bible when contemplating his opposition to AGW.

Well, that's at least part of it. The other half is ignorance that both the educated and uneducated Republicans actually believe in. Sometimes they even force themselves to accepts or reject things due to peer pressure. This will likely be the case with Tortta's comments at Fox News. Her having said this on Fox News and our objection combines to a Skinnerian* response in their mind. "If they hate it! We like it." Even if it's something they really despise themselves.

149 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:44:44pm

All of which proves that humans by and large respond like laboratory animals and experiments.

150 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:47:11pm

re: #102 Lidane

Here's another bit of GOP brilliance -- forcing people on unemployment and who are looking for a job to work for free to keep their benefits:

Senate Republicans Would Require The Unemployed To Volunteer

I can see the problem with that, but I would really, really, love to teach a couple unemployed hedge fund managers how we shingle a Habitat house. In Alabama. In August.

151 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:47:21pm

re: #147 The Ghost of a Flea

Corvée sounds nicer.

The corvée was the earliest and most widespread form of taxation, which can be traced back to the beginning of civilization.

Heritage! Taking us back to the time when our values were strong!

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:50:42pm

re: #148 Gus

A good example of which was seen right here a couple of years back, when some insurance company promoted an Earth Day thing asking people to (voluntarily) turn off all their lights for one specific hour.

Many of the wingnuts that were still here proudly claimed that they would turn on every appliance, every light, every HVAC full blast, because the were conservatives, you see.

153 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:51:34pm
154 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:52:20pm

re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth

A good example of which was seen right here a couple of years back, when some insurance company promoted an Earth Day thing asking people to (voluntarily) turn off all their lights for one specific hour.

Many of the wingnuts that were still here proudly claimed that they would turn on every appliance, every light, every HVAC full blast, because the were conservatives, you see.

I remember lurking that thread. It might have been the Wingnuts' Last Stand here.

155 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:52:40pm

re: #148 Gus

The whole Edison bulb vs. curly bulb nonsense fits with that.

156 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:52:55pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

I remember lurking that thread. It might have been the Wingnuts' Last Stand here.

Was that around the time of the whole Great Onion Flounce?

157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:53:45pm

re: #147 The Ghost of a Flea

Corvée sounds nicer, but is also more accurate:

I see that format in my monthly Arthurian RPG sessions. We call them "serfs".

158 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:54:17pm

re: #156 Gus

Was that around the time of the whole Great Onion Flounce?

Don't remember that one. They started dropping like flies around the time KT gave the Tea Parties the OWS treatment.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:54:57pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

I tried to explain that wasting energy, hell, wasting anything is pretty much the opposite of being conservative, but you know how "True Believers" can be.

160 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:54:58pm

re: #146 Look At My New Grandbaby!

INTERNSHIPS.

Which likely wouldn't be counted in the bill. It's supposed to be community volunteer work, like at a food bank or something.

161 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:55:19pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Don't remember that one. They started dropping like flies around the time KT gave the Tea Parties the OWS treatment.

Probably 2009.

162 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:55:48pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney Thinks Mandatory Drug Testing For Welfare Recipients Is ‘An Excellent Idea’

Money quote:

The ACLU of Florida has estimated that the state saved just over $40,000 between July and October by denying residents welfare support based on their failure to pass a drug test, while it spent more than $245,000 in reimbursements for the cost of the exam in the same time period.

And recall that Gov Skeletor--actually, now his wife--owns one of the major firms that does that testing.

After the most recent CPAC, I'm even more convinced that modern conservatism is about grifters factory-farming rubes. Intellectually boxed-in and subsisting on a diet of outrage and schadenfreude, wingnuts are the Kobe beef of gullible marks.

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:57:31pm

IIRC, I also tried to explain how stupid it would be for everyone on a grid to turn of their electricity for an hour, than pop it back on at the same time.

164 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:57:37pm

re: #160 Lidane

Which likely wouldn't be counted in the bill. It's supposed to be community volunteer work, like at a food bank or something.

Well, let's see, if they're working for free they are probably on some kind of food assistance, so they can just take their own food allotment while they're there!

So then, basically the food banks will all be self service and there is no need to staff them.

165 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 3:58:06pm

Evening Lizards. Just got here and am jumping into the Fire right away.

"you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much".

WTF? How many times does a Woman have to be raped "before it is too much"? twice?, three times? How about five times?

How about once lady. Because I am damn sure that is all it would take for you to agree that once is too many times.

Now heading back up to the top of the thread.

Thank you for letting me rant.

166 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:00:01pm

re: #164 Look At My New Grandbaby!

Well, let's see, if they're working for free they are probably on some kind of food assistance, so they can just take their own food allotment while they're there!

So then, basically the food banks will all be self service and there is no need to staff them.

When we do peanut or candy break-bulk repackaging at the food bank, spillage is free-range browse. That'll hold them.

167 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:00:28pm

The plot thickens...
Israel embassy car blast: Indian intelligence hints at Iran's hand

Sources also said Israel had recently confided in Indians their fears of Israeli targets coming under attack from Iranian sympathizers. Sources in Delhi Police did not rule out the possibility of Iranian sympathizers enlisting the modules of Lashkar, who despite their loathing of Shias, are unremitting in their animosity towards Israel.

Lashkar-e-Taiba is essentially a terrorist branch of Pakistan's intelligence agency.

168 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:02:32pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Three persons including the Israeli defence attache's wife Tal Yehoshua Korene, who was going to pick up her children from the American Embassy School, were injured.

Wow, that's where I went to school as a kid.

169 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:06:57pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

Heritage! Taking us back to the time when our values were strong!

re: #157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I see that format in my monthly Arthurian RPG sessions. We call them "serfs".

Not that they'd actually grok the reference, but I suspect that the right-fringe that see poverty as a moral failing fantasize about something akin to the Lacadaemonian helot system...though they'd implicitly assume themselves to be Spartans, not Messinians.

They wouldn't be down for Egyptian-style corvee--which was like a giant public works program in the agricultural off season--or the suspiciously communalist Andean shared labor system.

170 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:08:38pm

re: #169 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Not that they'd actually grok the reference, but I suspect that the right-fringe that see poverty as a moral failing fantasize about something akin to the Lacadaemonian helot system...though they'd implicitly assume themselves to be Spartans, not Messinians.

They wouldn't be down for Egyptian-style corvee--which was like a giant public works program in the agricultural off season--or the suspiciously communalist Andean shared labor system.

Just do debt-slavery and get it over with.

171 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:09:55pm

re: #169 The Ghost of a Flea

What's that art in your avatar? It looks like a cross between Northwest Coast Indian and Mexican art, so it's probably neither.

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:11:57pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Wow, that's where I went to school as a kid.

There goes your shot at the Oval Office. Right down the tubes.
/

173 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:13:22pm

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

IIRC, I also tried to explain how stupid it would be for everyone on a grid to turn of their electricity for an hour, than pop it back on at the same time.

Wanna see it?

174 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:14:39pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

re: #102 Lidane

Here's another bit of GOP brilliance -- forcing people on unemployment and who are looking for a job to work for free to keep their benefits:

Senate Republicans Would Require The Unemployed To Volunteer

I can see the problem with that, but I would really, really, love to teach a couple unemployed hedge fund managers how we shingle a Habitat house. In Alabama. In August.

But that's not who you'd get, which removes even that little bit of benefit.

Instead... Hey, why should I start hiring when I can get xx employees for [unemployment] wages?

Here in Georgia, max unemployment is your gross weekly OR $330 per week. (yes, if you were earning more than $8.25 per week unemployment will be less.) Let's see. Minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. 7.5% for social security and medicare, 6% for FUTA, is 13.5%, all for $8.19.

So if my employees get minimum wage I should just hire them. If I have to pay anything more than that I can be all noble and gove these "volunteers" an opportunity.

175 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:15:09pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Wow, that's where I went to school as a kid.

A lot of the news about Pakistan makes my head spin because of the time I spent there as a kid. I'm so glad my family is out of Peshawar, but every time something goes down I think about the random people I interacted with...hotel staff, people in bazaars and stores. I was a very friendly kid and a had a habit of just leaping into interaction with people--now I wonder what's happening to them and their families.

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:16:29pm

re: #157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I see that format in my monthly Arthurian RPG sessions. We call them "serfs".

Wingnuts around here get all hyper when I tell them I refuse to be one of the Koch Brother's serfs. Course the also hate it when I tell them the reason for my CCW is the Posse Comitatus and/or other neo-nazi/"sovereign citizen" groups we have here in Wisconsin. Dangerous nut cases, they are.

177 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:16:33pm

Blasphemy may extend to Twitter friends

Hamza Kashgari, an Internet columnist who allegedly posted Twitter comments "disrespecting God and insulting Prophet Mohammed" before traveling to Malaysia, was deported back to Saudi Arabia Sunday to face trial.


The newspaper al-Hayat reported the public prosecutor in Jeddah was likely to seek anyone who encouraged Kashgari by approving of his comments, a reference to his Twitter account correspondents.

178 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:17:46pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

What's that art in your avatar? It looks like a cross between Northwest Coast Indian and Mexican art, so it's probably neither.

The figure is a Japanese Daruma, but it's drawn in the style of a Mexican Day-of-the-Dead sugar skull. I don't recall exactly where I found it.

Found it.

179 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:23:05pm

The thread died.

180 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:24:17pm

re: #162 The Ghost of a Flea

Money quote:

And recall that Gov Skeletor--actually, now his wife--owns one of the major firms that does that testing.

After the most recent CPAC, I'm even more convinced that modern conservatism is about grifters factory-farming rubes. Intellectually boxed-in and subsisting on a diet of outrage and schadenfreude, wingnuts are the Kobe beef of gullible marks.

Good lord.

Am I reading this correctly? $40,000?

The average welfare payment in Florida (last year's numbers) was about $250 per month.

$40,000 divided by $250 = 160

If that's a three-month period, then Florida spent $245,000 to get back welfare benefits from 53 cheaters.

Bravo. Fucking bravo.

181 Ming  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:25:15pm

re: #16 Robert O.

I don't know whether to laugh or what...according to the latest polls by Pew and Gallup, Frothy and Corporations are people my friend are now tied in the national poll. It just stops being funny after a while when you realize there is still, lets say, a 25% chance (pending on the world economy) these people could have their fingers on the red button.

See Realclearpolitics.com

I can see 2 things the Republicans have (possibly) going for them:

(1) As you mention, the fragility of the economy. E.g. it wouldn't take much Middle East "turmoil" to send the price of gasoline way up in the US. If the recovery doesn't continue in 2012, Obama will, unfortunately, get a lot of the blame. (No wonder the Rpeublicans are in no hurry to extend the Social Security tax cut past February 29.)

(2) One other point: there *may* be an "enthusiasm gap". I hope I'm wrong about this. But I sometimes read about how people who were super-excited about Obama in 2008 still like the guy, but aren't super-enthusiastic like they used to be. Here's what scares me: the Republicans may be counting on their extreme rhetoric to really bring out "their" voters in droves. Even if only 30% of the population think Obama is an evil foreign sekrit atheist Muslim, if the voter turnout for those 30% is very high, it could make the difference.

The Republicans may see voter turnout of specific voting blocs as the only way they can win. This *may* explain why their statements are so extreme, so often.

On the other hand, maybe they really believe what they're saying?

182 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:25:24pm

re: #174 kirkspencer

But that's not who you'd get, which removes even that little bit of benefit.

Instead... Hey, why should I start hiring when I can get xx employees for [unemployment] wages?

Here in Georgia, max unemployment is your gross weekly OR $330 per week. (yes, if you were earning more than $8.25 per week unemployment will be less.) Let's see. Minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. 7.5% for social security and medicare, 6% for FUTA, is 13.5%, all for $8.19.

So if my employees get minimum wage I should just hire them. If I have to pay anything more than that I can be all noble and gove these "volunteers" an opportunity.

Yes, that is how "unpaid internships" became a business model, and they were so successful that the next step will be "internships that you pay for." Oh wait.

183 Jimmi the Grey  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:27:22pm

re: #180 BongCrodny

Good lord.

Am I reading this correctly? $40,000?

The average welfare payment in Florida (last year's numbers) was about $250 per month.

$40,000 divided by $250 = 160

If that's a three-month period, then Florida spent $245,000 to get back welfare benefits from 53 cheaters.

Bravo. Fucking bravo.

A prime example of the GOP's fiscally conservative smaller government in action.

184 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:32:04pm

re: #180 BongCrodny

Good lord.

Am I reading this correctly? $40,000?

The average welfare payment in Florida (last year's numbers) was about $250 per month.

$40,000 divided by $250 = 160

If that's a three-month period, then Florida spent $245,000 to get back welfare benefits from 53 cheaters.

Bravo. Fucking bravo.

Yeah...the Florida drug testing policy caught out only a tiny number of welfare recipients. It was a superlatively stupid policy on its face, but fiscally it was utterly moronic.

As someone who has leaped from academia to being a small businessman...and now back in school for an MBA...I never ceased to amazed by the how the people that talk about "run government like a business" invariably make decisions utterly counter-intuitive to the fiscal discipline that makes a business work, and make their decisions without research or analysis as to cost/benefit.

185 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:35:24pm

re: #181 Ming

I can see 2 things the Republicans have (possibly) going for them:

(1) As you mention, the fragility of the economy. E.g. it wouldn't take much Middle East "turmoil" to send the price of gasoline way up in the US. If the recovery doesn't continue in 2012, Obama will, unfortunately, get a lot of the blame. (No wonder the Rpeublicans are in no hurry to extend the Social Security tax cut past February 29.)

(2) One other point: there *may* be an "enthusiasm gap". I hope I'm wrong about this. But I sometimes read about how people who were super-excited about Obama in 2008 still like the guy, but aren't super-enthusiastic like they used to be. Here's what scares me: the Republicans may be counting on their extreme rhetoric to really bring out "their" voters in droves. Even if only 30% of the population think Obama is an evil foreign sekrit atheist Muslim, if the voter turnout for those 30% is very high, it could make the difference.

The Republicans may see voter turnout of specific voting blocs as the only way they can win. This *may* explain why their statements are so extreme, so often.

On the other hand, maybe they really believe what they're saying?

Been lurking the RW sites in the Hot Air-Freeper-Ace range to get feel for their "enthusiasm". Since the fail of Cain and Perry it has almost vanished. The most common association with Romney is "down our throats". A rising description of the TPGOP field is "which shit sandwich do you like".

186 blueraven  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:36:46pm

re: #181 Ming

I can see 2 things the Republicans have (possibly) going for them:

(1) As you mention, the fragility of the economy. E.g. it wouldn't take much Middle East "turmoil" to send the price of gasoline way up in the US. If the recovery doesn't continue in 2012, Obama will, unfortunately, get a lot of the blame. (No wonder the Rpeublicans are in no hurry to extend the Social Security tax cut past February 29.)

(2) One other point: there *may* be an "enthusiasm gap". I hope I'm wrong about this. But I sometimes read about how people who were super-excited about Obama in 2008 still like the guy, but aren't super-enthusiastic like they used to be. Here's what scares me: the Republicans may be counting on their extreme rhetoric to really bring out "their" voters in droves. Even if only 30% of the population think Obama is an evil foreign sekrit atheist Muslim, if the voter turnout for those 30% is very high, it could make the difference.

The Republicans may see voter turnout of specific voting blocs as the only way they can win. This *may* explain why their statements are so extreme, so often.

On the other hand, maybe they really believe what they're saying?

I think any republican enthusiasm gap edge is a myth. Their primary and caucus turnout, as as rule, has been dismal.

187 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:39:28pm

re: #186 blueraven

I think any republican enthusiasm gap edge is a myth. Their primary and caucus turnout, as as rule, has been dismal.

Also have to have space for enthusiasm on the other end out of fear. That is fear that Santorum, Romney, or Newt might get their hands on the button.

188 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:42:19pm

re: #186 blueraven

I think any republican enthusiasm gap edge is a myth. Their primary and caucus turnout, as as rule, has been dismal.

I just typed my log in and password to say exactly that and get beaten to the punch......

189 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:42:22pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

I see one in that list starting to wake up and express concern that Santorum might actually think their private contraceptive choice was a public issue.

190 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:44:12pm

re: #189 jaunte

I see one in that list starting to wake up and express concern that Santorum might actually think their private contraceptive choice was a public issue.

Heh. So it's okay that abortion is a public issue, but contraceptives aren't. There's your double standard right there, folks.

191 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:44:48pm

On a completely unrelated and hopefully somewhat less annoying subject, the "Smash" pilot was pretty good.

192 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:46:13pm

re: #178 The Ghost of a Flea

The figure is a Japanese Daruma, but it's drawn in the style of a Mexican Day-of-the-Dead sugar skull. I don't recall exactly where I found it.

Found it.

Cool! I like 'em all!

193 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:47:45pm

re: #186 blueraven

I think any republican enthusiasm gap edge is a myth. Their primary and caucus turnout, as as rule, has been dismal.

I think you're right, but I'm not going to count on it.

I'll hope for it, mind you. It's coat tails. (which, by the way, is one of the reasons I'm not counting on it.) The lethargy of the primary/caucus turnout, if echoed in the general, makes the US "dangerously" democratic, "saved" only by a filibuster minority in the Senate.

But I'm going to expect, instead, that there will be a few more Republicans in the senate and a few more Democrats in the house, with both retaining their current majorities, and President Obama serving a second term after a small but definite victory.

194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:50:20pm

re: #193 kirkspencer

I think you're right, but I'm not going to count on it.

I'll hope for it, mind you. It's coat tails. (which, by the way, is one of the reasons I'm not counting on it.) The lethargy of the primary/caucus turnout, if echoed in the general, makes the US "dangerously" democratic, "saved" only by a filibuster minority in the Senate.

But I'm going to expect, instead, that there will be a few more Republicans in the senate and a few more Democrats in the house, with both retaining their current majorities, and President Obama serving a second term after a small but definite victory.

Followed by four more years of a completely constipated Congress that will block any initiatives he tries to move forward, often simply because he is Obama.

195 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:53:37pm

In Less Than 7 Hours, Over 500,000 People Sign Up To Keep Keystone XL Killed

Well, that explains what Charles and Kilgore have been up to all afternoon.
///

196 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:53:45pm

re: #194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Followed by four more years of a completely constipated Congress that will block any initiatives he tries to move forward, often simply because he is Obama.

I'm at the conclusion there isn't a single Democrat they could work with as president. They'll work with Democrats plenty in the senate as long as it helps frustrate progress, but no-one who gets near the white house will get a "loyal oppostion", just more of the same.

197 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:53:47pm

re: #194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Followed by four more years of a completely constipated Congress that will block any initiatives he tries to move forward, often simply because he is Obama.

Don't think the 27% can keep the insanity in play for eight years. Always the optimist.

198 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:54:12pm

re: #191 BongCrodny

On a completely unrelated and hopefully somewhat less annoying subject, the "Smash" pilot was pretty good.

I didn't see the Hulk anywhere in the commercials.

199 aagcobb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:54:15pm

re: #60 Iwouldprefernotto

So they're pro rape and anti birth control? Am I missing something?

Yes, don't you remember Frothy said that a baby conceived during a rape is a gift from God?

200 austin_blue  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 4:55:28pm

"...they are being raped too much."

Gee! I guess once or twice is OK, eh, Liz?

Wow. Just...., wow.

In other news, a wonderful OpEd from Krugman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

This!

201 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:01:11pm

re: #200 austin_blue

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

202 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:03:16pm

re: #194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Followed by four more years of a completely constipated Congress that will block any initiatives he tries to move forward, often simply because he is Obama.

Weirdly enough, I'm not so sure. Oh, I think they'd try, and for a couple of years they'd succeed.

The inflection point is 2014. The biggest explosion then is health care. It's not the only one, but it is huge.

In 2014, assuming we neither increase nor decrease our current distribution of wealth, roughly 15% of american citizens, presently without healthcare, will get medicaid. Another 30% of american citizens, also presently without healthcare, will be offered healthcare that is (barely) affordable. Not COBRA (which wanted 95% of my unemployment check), but affordable health care that has a number of mandatory basic services.

Another 30% of american citizens will see their health insurance bill decrease. Actually, a lot of them are seeing those declines already because of the 80/20 rule (which insurance companies are challenging).

In 2014, Democrats are going to be able to say, "we did this, and Republicans want to take it away from you."

Back when the bugaboo was Hillarycare, the estimate was that a successful national health care program from the democrats would push the R/D divide 5 points to the D side. With the neck and neck races of the past few years you can see why 5 points is such a big deal.

It starts in 2014.

203 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:03:37pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

Denial Of Massacres?

204 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:04:04pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.”

Torquemada in a sweater vest. That's all he is.

205 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:04:44pm

Dom Inion.

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:05:02pm

re: #2 Kragar

So according to the Right Wing, our soldiers are supposed to pose with Nazi symbols, piss on corpses, and rape their fellow female service members.

But they support the troops.

I've only got a moment here, but Trotta (should read as "Rotta", because she's a rotter for sure) let loose too dumb a comment to to ignore. It sounds like something a Salafist would say. And moreover, by her stated definition any crime victim in the military automatically ceases to be a warrior if they report it. Got sucker punched by an asshole who didn't like the fact you got better evaluations than him? According to Liz Trotta, you're just crying victimhood if you follow the law and report it. Better to tolerate rot in the unit, apparently. Rotta, indeed!

BBL

207 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:05:39pm

re: #205 jaunte

Dom Inion.

Do Minion

208 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:05:42pm

re: #204 Lidane

Torquemada in a sweater vest. That's all he is.

The Inquisition, let's begin...

//

209 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:06:03pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

I find this sort of interesting that Santorum is defending the Crusades. Especially given that one of the arguments tossed out when atrocities among groups gets compared is that the West has outgrown those committed in the past while the East (or where ever) has not yet done so. So Rick is saying that when you're defesnding the Right (e.g. Christianity) you get to define your own rules since God is on your side.

Which of course is what *every* group of religious fanatics say. That the god(s) are on their side and everything is fair game in their honor.

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:06:18pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

Like king"dom" or Madam "Dom"? ///

I did like his comment that their cynical lies have caught up with them by creating a base that actually believes their tripe. How ... appropriate...

211 aagcobb  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:06:26pm

Heh. Nate Silver is now projecting that Santorum has an 80% chance of winning Michigan over native son Romney. Looks like Romney's op-ed saying that Detroit should be allowed to go bankrupt is biting him in the ass.

212 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:07:49pm

Domestic servant.

Servile.

213 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:08:29pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Also a good deal of the reason for the friction between Western Christianity, and the Turkish and Arab Parts of the Muslim World.

214 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:09:27pm

Heh:

215 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:09:52pm

re: #212 Gus

Domestic servant.

Servile.

Watch out for liberal barbers of servile. Especially if they happen to be rwabbits.

He'll guillotine you with that straight razor...

216 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:09:55pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

The Inquisition, let's begin...

//

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

217 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:13:11pm

An interesting Twitter search:

[Link: twitter.com...]

218 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:14:19pm

re: #215 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Watch out for liberal barbers of servile. Especially if they happen to be rabbits.

[Video]He'll guillotine you with that straight razor...

That Santorum song.

219 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:16:47pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

An interesting Twitter search:

[Link: twitter.com...]

220 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:17:34pm

re: #218 Gus

That Santorum song.

[Video]

Nah. Santorum is way too vanilla for that to be his song. This is more Ricky's style, except he doesn't have a sense of humor:

221 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:17:53pm

re: #218 Gus

And just because I love the line...

Leopold!

(Had a friend who had no clue what that referred to until they saw the re-mastered Fantasia about twenty years later which had reference to who Leopold Stravinsky was - and thus the joke was explained to them.)

222 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:18:35pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

People also like to gloss over the fact the Crusaders didn't bother to differentiate between Orthodox Christians, Jews, and Muslims when they sacked towns and cities on the east side of the Bosphorous. The massacre following the (1099) Siege of Jerusalem especially stands out.

223 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:18:51pm

re: #220 Lidane

Nah. Santorum is way too vanilla for that to be his song. This is more Ricky's style, except he doesn't have a sense of humor:

[Video]

I thought this was Rick's song...

224 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:20:20pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

An interesting Twitter search:

[Link: twitter.com...]

It used to be that I could hover over a shortened link and the twitter page would spell out where the link went. I miss that.

225 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:20:43pm

re: #223 Kragar

Personally, this is my standing song for the current GOP:

226 austin_blue  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:20:53pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

Perignon.

227 Kragar  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:23:58pm

re: #225 Lidane

Personally, this is my standing song for the current GOP:

[Video]

A classic, to be sure.

228 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:25:34pm

re: #201 Obdicut

Oh, nice. Santorum defended the Crusades, against the "American left who hates Christendom.” The Crusades included lots of genocide against the Jews, and I like to point that out for the historically ignorant who wonder why Jews are antsy about hyper-religiosity in Christians. Does that mean I hate Christendom? What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

Good question. Christian dominion I assume. I have heard this dominion word elsewhere. Dominionist perhaps?

Definition: Perfect control in right of ownership. The word implies both title and possession and appears to require a complete retention of control over disposition. Title to an article of property, which arises from the power of disposition and the right of claiming it. Sovereignty; as in the dominion of the seas or over a territory.

229 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:28:07pm

re: #221 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

If we're pulling out Bugs Bunny cartoons, this one is a personal favorite:

It seems appropriate in an election year. Haha.

230 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:29:58pm

Think I found it. Here's the real Republican "song."

231 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:30:25pm

re: #230 Gus

Think I found it. Here's the real Republican "song."


[Video]

And here I was voting for "Send in the Clowns".

232 freetoken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:31:14pm

Just say no:

'Dancing With the Stars' casting buzz erupts

The Dancing With the Stars cast announcement is a mere two weeks away, so it's time to see what's buzzing out there about who might be on the list.

[...]

Michele Bachman and Herman Cain? Producers are said to have extended an invitation to them both to be on the show.

[...]

233 Gus  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:31:42pm

re: #231 thedopefishlives

And here I was voting for "Send in the Clowns".

Yeah. I was wondering if the Howler might in fact be too advanced to represent a Santorum-Republican.

234 freetoken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:32:00pm

Although Cain would love to get Nine-Nine-Nine from the judges, no doubt.

235 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:32:34pm

re: #234 freetoken

Although Cain would love to get Nine-Nine-Nine from the judges, no doubt.

Somehow I think it'd be more along the lines of nein-nein-nein.

236 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:33:17pm

re: #229 Lidane

If we're pulling out Bugs Bunny cartoons, this one is a personal favorite:

Hell, now you guys have got me watching the damn things on YouTube.

237 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:34:48pm

@EricBoehlert
i.e. why Fox hates it when news breaks out:

CNN’s Whitney Houston Coverage Rewarded in Ratings

CNN stepped up on Saturday night to cover the death of Whitney Houston wall to wall in prime time — and it paid off with one of the strongest recent nights in the ratings for the cable channel.

CNN dominated the competition that night, as word of Ms. Houston’s death was breaking, attracting two and three times the audiences of its rival news channels.

For the full duration of coverage, from 8 p.m. to 1 a.m., CNN averaged 2.17 million viewers, well ahead of the usually dominant Fox News, which averaged 1.34 million total viewers, and MSNBC, which trailed far behind with only 652,000 viewers.

238 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:35:32pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

It used to be that I could hover over a shortened link and the twitter page would spell out where the link went. I miss that.

I found some great people to follow in that search - not just political people either, some interesting techies.

239 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:38:28pm

Speaking of things to watch on YouTube, this trailer just came out:

240 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:41:10pm

re: #236 BongCrodny

Hell, now you guys have got me watching the damn things on YouTube.

Heh. And that's one of the ones that essentially disappeared from TV in the early 80s or so. Too violent, and especially the Russian Roulette reference at the end.

(I also noted two TR references there as well. One very obvious, the other less so.)

241 freetoken  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:42:14pm

I don't know, Love Potion #9 lends itself to a (non-authentic) Rhumba pretty well... I think Herb would do well.

242 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:44:08pm

re: #239 Lidane

Speaking of things to watch on YouTube, this trailer just came out:

[Video]

I was originally kind of excited about the premise but the trailer leaves me pretty flat. It doesn't look like they're going to do anything interesting with a very interesting idea. They should have given the project to Tim Burton or Quinton Tarrantino.

243 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:44:12pm

So it's a "things to watch on YouTube" thread now? :) Okay - epic hilarity may be found here:

EXCLUSIVE – Adele Trashes Newt Gingrich at the Grammys! (VIDEO)

244 jaunte  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:46:14pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

I'm not a developer or techie in any sense, but that article "Hashing for privacy in social apps" is entertaining even for people who are only riding along.

245 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:47:54pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

An interesting Twitter search:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Charles..I am deeply disappointed.. I don't even know how to address this.
I have been accused multiple times of going to RW web sites and dumping racist comments by the stalkers. I have never nor would ever engage in anything so despicable.. Of course they have no proof and none exists in this Universe.. Yet they smear me to perhaps get to you? I dunno..It hurts me deeply..So I need to stop looking over there for my amusement, It stopped being funny any more...
I'd like to ask you a few questions Charles.. Did I not send you a documentation of me being the Republican of the year years ago? Did I not get invited to the Bush White House? Wasn't I a good GOP guy years ago?
Have I ever not been honest about my politics and how I have changed my views (esp. Cause of my dad).
I now know you feel about being smeared and lied about...
I guess they thought if they floated enough Lies about me I'd stop blogging..Nope...not going to happen..I have nothing more to say about that lying trash..

246 Lidane  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:51:00pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I was originally kind of excited about the premise but the trailer leaves me pretty flat. It doesn't look like they're going to do anything interesting with a very interesting idea. They should have given the project to Tim Burton or Quinton Tarrantino.

Tim Burton is the executive producer of the movie.

247 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:51:31pm

re: #245 The Hoopster

Charles..I am deeply disappointed.. I don't even know how to address this.
I have been accused multiple times of going to RW web sites and dumping racist comments by the stalkers. I have never nor would ever engage in anything so despicable.. Of course they have no proof and none exists in this Universe.. Yet they smear me to perhaps get to you? I dunno..It hurts me deeply..So I need to stop looking over there for my amusement, It stopped being funny any more...
I'd like to ask you a few questions Charles.. Did I not send you a documentation of me being the Republican of the year years ago? Did I not get invited to the Bush White House? Wasn't I a good GOP guy years ago?
Have I ever not been honest about my politics and how I have changed my views (esp. Cause of my dad).
I now know you feel about being smeared and lied about...
I guess they thought if they floated enough Lies about me I'd stop blogging..Nope...not going to happen..I have nothing more to say about that lying trash..

Try not to let it get to you. It really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Stay true to yourself and that's what really matters.

248 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:53:27pm

re: #246 Lidane

Tim Burton is the executive producer of the movie.

It doesn't look like he had enough influence. The trailer looks and feels like any other comic book/super hero/action movie out there. No distinctive look and nothing in the trailer indicates they've attached an interesting story to it.

249 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 6:08:54pm

re: #201 Obdicut

What is the 'dom' in Christendom, anyway?

Domination. Plain and simple.

250 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 6:12:38pm

re: #245 The Hoopster

Today someone on Twitter posted a perceptive comment about this: when stalkers can't get to their main object of obsession (in this case, me) they focus on and go after anyone associated with that person.

Killgore's advice is right on target. The best way to handle it is to utterly ignore it, and keep on keepin' on. Do what you know is right.

251 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 6:23:06pm

re: #84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

"The corporation giveth, and the corporation taketh away.
My Blackberry was retired today and I get to break in an Iphone 4 now."

If you use your iPhone to read Little Green Footballs, I'm afraid you're going to find that it will be a frustrating experience. Having used various iPhones for 4 years - Knowing that iPhones don't run flash has not been a problem for me, even during a couple of years of perusing Little Green Footballs.

Recently,for some reason, I've found using an iPhone 4S to scroll through the thread comments incurs a lot of lag.

Scrolling through the various threads is the same as before with *no* lag, but *after* the selected thread comments load, it's lag city.

Knowing full well that all smartphones, Android, Blackberry, iPhone & Win 7, all suck in their own way, if that's the way it is, so be it.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 9:03:22pm

re: #12 Simply Sarah

Oh hey, it's victim blaming. How original (Look what she was wearing) !

Fatigues never looked all that slutty to me.

Spit.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 9:05:55pm

You know, I was raised to respect our servicemen.

But that was before the people at Fox told me that they were raping and pillaging barbarians, and that's the way it's sposed to be!

My dad said they were brave people who protected our country and had special rules they lived by that were tougher than the rules for regular people.

WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE, FOLKS???

254 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 10:15:37pm

What the hell is wrong with this woman? I posted the first even close to being political item on my facebook because this is that fucked up.


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