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Va. GOP Demands Invasive Vaginal Ultrasound Procedure Before Abortion

The Republican Party’s total war on women’s rights
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The GOP’s uterus inspection device

Republicans in Virginia’s House of Delegates really have their hearts set on new legislation that will force all women seeking abortions to first undergo penetration by a transvaginal ultrasound transducer.

They’re so enthralled with this harlot-shaming tool that today they voted down an amendment that would have allowed doctors to determine whether this penetration was necessary.

Clearly, whether it’s medically necessary or not has nothing to do with this law. The GOP wants to get all up in women’s uteruses — literally. The penetration part is vital to their agenda.

RICHMOND — House of Delegates Republicans have rejected a last-ditch bid by Democrats to allow women seeking abortions to opt out of an invasive ultrasonic procedure under anti-abortion legislation set for a final House vote Tuesday. …

An amendment by Del. David Englin, D-Alexandria, would have allowed medical professionals to determine whether images can be obtained without being penetrated by equipment used in the ultrasound.

Women would have to give written consent to such a probe under Englin’s amendments, but not to sonograms that are not invasive. The amendment failed on 64-34 vote, setting the bill up for final House passage.

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139 comments

1 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:42:01pm

February 28th can't come fast enough.

I SO want either a brokered convention or Santorum to win.

So, in the General, we have high turnout on my side, then win.

2 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:42:36pm

They really love this law, the GOP. In state after state they're putting it up. Such a craven attack on women.

3 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:43:20pm

Creepy old men.

4 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:44:24pm

Because you know.........fiscal issues

5 Kragar  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:45:03pm

They're also passing a personhood amendment.

6 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:47:21pm

And yet Obamacare is what we should be afraid of. Sheesh.

7 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:47:40pm

This is what my Imam but as a status on his FB "Fan Page"

Beware of speaking out against government violence and aggression in one country and condone it in another. It's "justice" and not "just us".

He told me these words in regard to the MSA President.

HoosierHoops, you here?

8 docproto48  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:50:00pm

The first woman who has to suffer such an attack as ultrasound probe rape should try to charge the Governor with rape
As a physician If I felt it was medically contraindicated I would refuse to do it. To do otherwise could put one at risk for malpractice

9 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:50:23pm

Small government = mandated medical testing (for women and the poor only).

10 docproto48  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:52:13pm

re: #9 jaunte

re: #9 jaunte

Small government = mandated medical testing (for women and the poor only).

exept for the things they need tested for like breast cancer

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:52:51pm

re: #9 jaunte

Small government = mandated medical testing (for women and the poor only).

Government small enough to fit in a womb.

12 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:54:22pm

Booo! Bring back the law the idea that men can't get a viagra perscripition without getting a colonoscopy!

13 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:55:44pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

Booo! Bring back the law the idea that men can't get a viagra perscripition without getting a colonoscopy!

I almost just typed the exact same thing. LOL

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 5:57:15pm

This shit almost seems like desperation on the GOP's part, as though they realize the clock's ticking down on their post-2010 high and they need to get as many of these bills rammed through before they take it in the ass come November.

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:03:09pm

I think it's amazing that the whole country isn't screaming bloody murder about this. The Republicans are actually mandating unnecessary invasive medical procedures for women. Why isn't there more outrage?

This is one of those news items that makes me feel like I've slipped into the Twilight Zone.

16 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:07:25pm

Whatever happened to dinner, a show, some romance and taking time with a touch of foreplay before jumping in?

Fucking old white guys.

Nothing matters but their own satisfaction.

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:07:41pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I think it's amazing that the whole country isn't screaming bloody murder about this. The Republicans are actually mandating unnecessary invasive medical procedures for women. Why isn't there more outrage?

This is one of those news items that makes me feel like I've slipped into the Twilight Zone.

Just checked over at PilotOnline, and the comments seem to running sharply against the GOP on this one:

Va. House OKs 'personhood,' abortion ultrasound bills

Never thought there'd be a day when I missed Tim Kaine.

18 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:12:50pm

Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) – A Republican supermajority has muscled two of the most restrictive anti-abortion bills in years through the Virginia House, including one that would all but outlaw the procedure in the state by declaring that the rights of persons apply from the moment sperm and egg unite.
..........
No comment provoked more surprise than that of Del. Todd Gilbert in diminishing the gravity of the decision to have an abortion.

"We hear the same song over there. The very tragic human notes that are often touched upon involve extreme examples," said Gilbert, R-Shenandoah. "But in the vast majority of these cases, these are matters of lifestyle convenience."

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:13:33pm

Happy V-Day CL, and everyone.

20 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:14:43pm

Pffft. We've already got this law in Texas.

21 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:15:07pm

re: #16 SH1T My Conscience Says

Whatever happened to dinner, a show, some romance and taking time with a touch of foreplay before jumping in?

Fucking old white guys.

Nothing matters but their own satisfaction.

BTW, the last two lines have nothing to do with sex.

22 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:15:57pm

Moments later in the House of Delegates, Republicans made good on their promise to lift the state's long-standing one-handgun-a-month ban.

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:16:57pm

Just turned on the Maddow show and Eugene Robinson was saying exactly what I just wrote in that comment. Amazed that the GOP is forcing women to undergo medically unnecessary vaginal penetration.

Synchronicity.

24 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:17:34pm

re: #22 jaunte

Moments later in the House of Delegates, Republicans made good on their promise to lift the state's long-standing one-handgun-a-month ban.

Silencer, loudener, speed cocker, ammo bandoleer... and here's the thing you use for shooting down police helicopters!

25 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:18:38pm

Why not use ultrasound on the tummy like they do with pregnancy?

Oh, it's a harlot shaming staff. My bad. Family values bitches.

26 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:19:07pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Just turned on the Maddow show and Eugene Robinson was saying exactly what I just wrote in that comment. Amazed that the GOP is forcing women to undergo medically unnecessary vaginal penetration.

Synchronicity.

Again, this is already law in Texas.

27 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:20:01pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Just turned on the Maddow show and Eugene Robinson was saying exactly what I just wrote in that comment. Amazed that the GOP is forcing women to undergo medically unnecessary vaginal penetration.

Synchronicity.

They're going to lose this one.

Look at the Susan G. Komen fiasco. Their base freaked out. Most women are basically progressive. The few religious adherents are few. The majority are when it comes to women's issues, progressive. I have hope.

28 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:20:15pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Again, this is already law in Texas.

I know - I've had several posts about it. It's spreading.

29 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:21:21pm

At the same time, there's a bill right now going through the paces that would expand the eligibility for the death penalty to accomplices. So if all you did was drive the killer away from the scene, the court could find you guilty and sentence you to death alongside him.

30 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:22:54pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

At the same time, there's a bill right now going through the paces that would expand the eligibility for the death penalty to accomplices. So if all you did was drive the killer away from the scene, the court could find you guilty and sentence you to death alongside him.

We've already got that in Texas, too.

31 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:22:57pm
U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks:
"There can be little doubt that (the law) is an attempt by the Texas Legislature to discourage women from exercising their constitutional rights by making it more difficult for caring and competent physicians to perform abortions."
..........
So far, six of the 50 U.S. states have passed laws requiring abortion providers to perform an ultrasound on each woman seeking an abortion and provide the woman an opportunity to view the image, according to the Guttmacher Institute in Washington, which studies reproductive health issues.

While most of those states allow women to decline to view the image, Texas, Oklahoma and North Carolina require women to hear the provider's verbal description of the ultrasound.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

32 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:30:20pm

Oh, and I hate to be the splash of cold water, but this is the person sponsoring this bill, Kathy Byron of Campbell, who gave us this lovely little gem in response to the written consent amendment:

"If we want to talk about invasiveness, there's nothing more invasive than the procedure that she is about to have," Byron said.

"If you have a consent to a procedure that is going to give information to the informed consent law, you're basically undoing the informed consent law."

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:31:33pm

It's times like this that I am thankful for my state government of Oregon that isn't full of backwards hillbillies that think airplanes are witches and menstruating women should be locked underground

34 Archangelus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:31:45pm

This is just despicable, pure and simple...

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:32:18pm

Virginia GOP demands that all cameras in the state be tossed into a enormous bonfire lest they suck the souls of the GOP tribal elders

36 sproingie  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:33:16pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Most women are basically progressive. The few religious adherents are few.

If that were at all true, the Republican Party simply would not exist. Yet it does.

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:33:24pm

Virginia GOP demands all televisions be confiscated until it can be proven that the minstrels trapped inside are US citizens

38 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:34:02pm

Alien. Only in this case it's a bunch of 50 something plus old white Christian men. The Republican Party is like a larvae that sucks the blood out of women.

39 ramex  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:34:06pm

Put it in their language: forced vaginal penetration panels.

aka: rape panels

40 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:34:34pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

At the same time, there's a bill right now going through the paces that would expand the eligibility for the death penalty to accomplices. So if all you did was drive the killer away from the scene, the court could find you guilty and sentence you to death alongside him.

I'm against the death penalty, but willing complicity to murder is still murder in my book.

41 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:35:48pm

Republican preventive medicine: the invasive vaginal ultrasound.

42 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:37:31pm

Virginia GOP launches investigation into theory that new game called "World of Warcraft" is leading young men astray into Satan worship.

43 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:37:44pm

Right Thinking will be enforced.

"One of the things I will talk about that no President has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual libertine idea. Many in the Christian faith have said, “Well, that’s okay. Contraception’s okay.”

It’s not okay because it’s a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be. They’re supposed to be within marriage, they are supposed to be for purposes that are, yes, conjugal, but also [inaudible], but also procreative. That’s the perfect way that a sexual union should happen. We take any part of that out, we diminish the act. And if you can take one part out that’s not for purposes of procreation, that’s not one of the reasons, then you diminish this very special bond between men and women, so why can’t you take other parts of that out? And all of a sudden, it becomes deconstructed to the point where it’s simply pleasure. And that’s certainly a part of it—and it’s an important part of it, don’t get me wrong—but there’s a lot of things we do for pleasure, and this is special, and it needs to be seen as special."
[Link: swampland.time.com...]

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:39:32pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Virginia GOP launches investigation into theory that new game called "World of Warcraft" is leading young men astray into Satan worship.

Virginia GOP demands all little people in the state be incarcerated until it can be determined that they are not actually, in fact, conjurers, wizards, spirit mediums, unlicensed exorcists, spellcasters, or renegade psychics

45 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:40:57pm

re: #40 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

I'm against the death penalty, but willing complicity to murder is still murder in my book.

I brought it up more as a sign of just how out of whack the VA GOP's thinking is: Life is sacred and precious in the womb, but once you're out, you better not twitch the wrong way, or your ass is going to death row.

46 CarleeCork  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:41:39pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I think it's amazing that the whole country isn't screaming bloody murder about this. The Republicans are actually mandating unnecessary invasive medical procedures for women. Why isn't there more outrage?

This is one of those news items that makes me feel like I've slipped into the Twilight Zone.

I have 16 Cook County death certificates from women that died from illegal abortions. Give me direction, a good reporter to write a story. Americans have NO knowledge of abortion wards and deaths. They need a reminder.

47 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:42:59pm

re: #44 windupbird is in the gravity well

Virginia GOP demands all little people in the state be incarcerated until it can be determined that they are not actually, in fact, conjurers, wizards, spirit mediums, unlicensed exorcists, spellcasters, or renegade psychics

Virginia GOP demands all little people in the state be incarcerated upon suspicion of being members of a union known as "The Lollypop Guild".

48 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:44:27pm

re: #7 ProGunLiberal

This is what my Imam but as a status on his FB "Fan Page"

He told me these words in regard to the MSA President.

HoosierHoops, you here?

Truer words have seldom been written.

49 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:44:33pm

The invasiveness of the procedure is part of the deterrent factor the right has so much faith in as a method of prevention.

Unfortunately, deterrents aren't universally effective. In many cases deterrents are completely ineffective so this emotional torture they're about to put women through is made doubly evil.

50 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:45:44pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

There is no doubt he intended that as a shot at the MSA President.

However, I don't think the MSA President realizes it.

I'm hoping to have HoosierHoops and my Imam meet at some point.

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:47:08pm

re: #46 CarleeCork

I have 16 Cook County death certificates from women that died from illegal abortions. Give me direction, a good reporter to write a story. Americans have NO knowledge of abortion wards and deaths. They need a reminder.

Why wait for a reporter? Sounds like you have the makings of a really good LGF Page. You should post that one - it could even end up on the front page.

52 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:47:52pm

re: #46 CarleeCork

I have 16 Cook County death certificates from women that died from illegal abortions. Give me direction, a good reporter to write a story. Americans have NO knowledge of abortion wards and deaths. They need a reminder.

And I have the voter rolls to show where they subsequently showed up at their local polling places and voted. Strange to say, every one of them was a registered Democrat.

/If you hadn't said "Cook County". I would not have said that. It's a swipe at Chicago's long history of "graveyard voting".

53 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:49:24pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Considering the fact that Republican areas dump voters, and have made harder and harder for the disadvantaged to vote, along with what looks like Flat-Out fraud in Waukesha County, Wisconsin, let's call it even.

54 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:51:49pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

And I have the voter rolls to show where they subsequently showed up at their local polling places and voted. Strange to say, every one of them was a registered Democrat.

/If you hadn't said "Cook County". I would not have said that. It's a swipe at Chicago's long history of "graveyard voting".

Well have you ever died preforming a complicated medical procedure on yourself because a political party thought having someone actually trained to do it would be immoral to have someone actually trained do it? You'd rise from your own grave to vote against them! (Half sarc)

55 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:51:49pm

re: #7 ProGunLiberal

This is what my Imam but as a status on his FB "Fan Page"

He told me these words in regard to the MSA President.

HoosierHoops, you here?

Yes and no. That same argument is often used as dismissal of one case of violence in light of an allegedly similar one somewhere else. Like Iran equating what they do to what some OWS demonstrators got.

There are genuine distinctions of degree and intent in many situations.

56 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:53:58pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

And I have the voter rolls to show where they subsequently showed up at their local polling places and voted. Strange to say, every one of them was a registered Democrat.

/If you hadn't said "Cook County". I would not have said that. It's a swipe at Chicago's long history of "graveyard voting".

Hurr, hurr.

57 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:54:51pm

re: #49 SH1T My Conscience Says

The invasiveness of the procedure is part of the deterrent factor the right has so much faith in as a method of prevention.

Unfortunately, deterrents aren't universally effective. In many cases deterrents are completely ineffective so this emotional torture they're about to put women through is made doubly evil.

THIS. If women will risk being butchered by back-alley abortionists to end a pregnancy, a vaginal ultrasound surely isn't going to stop them. It's just an added bit of sadism designed to humiliate them and inflict more emotional pain. It's sick, truly evil—obviously, exactly what Jesus (a.s.) would've prescribed. ///

58 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:56:01pm

New invasive vaginal ultrasound procedure vs. old time Chicago voter fraud.
Not much of a balance, really.

59 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:57:39pm

Maybe its just me, but I believe that prior to anyone being able to vote in favour of this procedure, they should be subjected to the procedure themselves. And if they are male, anally. After all since they are not interested in the medical necessity of the procedure, I think it is important that they understand what they are voting for.

60 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:59:04pm

re: #58 jaunte

New invasive vaginal ultrasound procedure vs. old time Chicago voter fraud.
Not much of a balance, really.

///Well of course, if you put "old time" in front of anything it makes it sound less harmful. Why its only two letters away from "olde timey" and "olde timey" voter fraud is what you get when Charlie Chaplain runs for election against Moe Howard.

61 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:03:12pm

re: #55 Red Sea Desjardini Tang

Yes and no. That same argument is often used as dismissal of one case of violence in light of an allegedly similar one somewhere else. Like Iran equating what they do to what some OWS demonstrators got.

There are genuine distinctions of degree and intent in many situations.

Yes, and it could also be used to remind Muslims that if they're going to speak out against government violence and aggression against their fellow Muslims, then they shouldn't condone it against Christians, Jews, etc.

62 freetoken  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:08:13pm

There exists a Republican legislator who actually has a clue:

Bosma shelves creationism bill; IUN celebrates Darwin Day

On the eve of today's celebration of Charles Darwin's birthday at IUN, the Indiana House speaker said he is shelving a bill that would have allowed public schools to teach creationism in science classes.

Republican Brian Bosma said he is using a procedural move to kill the proposal for this legislative session.

He said he considered the proposal a lawsuit waiting to happen since the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled before against public schools teaching creationism.

[...]

If only he had the guts to also just label the idea as idiocy, on top of being a lawsuit waiting to happen.

63 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:08:39pm

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Which is how he was saying it to me.

Because this MSA President was bashing all of the US military over a few psychopaths, but not raising a word about the Saudi Treatment of Bahraini Shia during last year's occupation, or that his fellow travelers in Egypt and Nigeria were/are slaughtering Christians.

64 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:09:06pm

re: #58 jaunte

New invasive vaginal ultrasound procedure vs. old time Chicago voter fraud.
Not much of a balance, really.

It ain't a Magical Balance Fairy summoning incantation, not at all. But given my long-standing anger at the corruption that so damages the city of my birth and of my current job, I simply could not resist the fat, juicy target that the phrase "Cook County death certificates" represented. Chicago's corruption does not minimize that women died from illegal abortions.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:09:12pm

Posted on FaceBook (I think):

"If you're sad about being alone on Valentines Day, just remember that nobody loves you on any other days of the year either".

Happy VD everybody!

66 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:10:08pm

I just saw an "anti-Gingrich" ad on TV that showed Newt agreeing with Nancy Pelosi about AGW, like this is supposed to be a "bad" thing.

Oh wait, it was a Ron Paul ad.

67 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:10:36pm

Is there a lawyer here who can explain to me why these laws haven't been challenged? I mean seriously where is the ACLU? Where is NARAL? How is it possible for a state to force anyone to have this procedure if they don't want it? This isn't a normal ultrasound. This is requiring women to have something stuck inside of the vaginas whether they want it or not. How can this be legal? I just don't see how the government, any government can require this.

Seriously, is there a lawyer in the house?

68 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:11:26pm

re: #62 freetoken

There exists a Republican legislator who actually has a clue:

Bosma shelves creationism bill; IUN celebrates Darwin Day

If only he had the guts to also just label the idea as idiocy, on top of being a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Perfect is the enemy of Good Enough. Killing that time and money wasting piece of stupidity is Good Enough.

69 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:12:42pm

re: #57 CuriousLurker

THIS. If women will risk being butchered by back-alley abortionists to end a pregnancy, a vaginal ultrasound surely isn't going to stop them. It's just an added bit of sadism designed to humiliate them and inflict more emotional pain. It's sick, truly evil—obviously, exactly what Jesus (a.s.) would've prescribed. ///

Yeah it's all about slut shaming. None of the proponents of these laws thinks women will be deterred from aborting. They just want to shame the sinful, dirty whores one last time.

70 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:13:51pm

re: #59 Petero1818

Maybe its just me, but I believe that prior to anyone being able to vote in favour of this procedure, they should be subjected to the procedure themselves. And if they are male, anally. After all since they are not interested in the medical necessity of the procedure, I think it is important that they understand what they are voting for.

Those voting for it are trying to fix the problems of a degraded society and they feel only they understand why it's degrading. Of course that cause has everything to do with not adhering to god given rules, despite the enormous social changes resulting from massive technological and information/knowledge increases.

I'm sure they would be willing to suffer those tests if it led them to believe society was becoming more like their imagination.

71 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:14:02pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

And I have the voter rolls to show where they subsequently showed up at their local polling places and voted. Strange to say, every one of them was a registered Democrat.

/If you hadn't said "Cook County". I would not have said that. It's a swipe at Chicago's long history of "graveyard voting".

WTF

72 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:14:26pm

re: #66 Look At My New Grandbaby!

I just saw an "anti-Gingrich" ad on TV that showed Newt agreeing with Nancy Pelosi about AGW, like this is supposed to be a "bad" thing.

Oh wait, it was a Ron Paul ad.

Oh no wait, it's also a Romney ad.

The GOP is so freaking desperate.

73 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:17:41pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

Posted on FaceBook (I think):

"If you're sad about being alone on Valentines Day, just remember that nobody loves you on any other days of the year either".

Happy VD everybody!

Still working on getting VD. My wife won't let me.

74 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:18:13pm

This is incredible. Only a medical doctor should decide, with a patient's consent, when to perform an invasive procedure, or a procedure of any sort. These lawmakers are practicing medicine without a license.

75 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:18:23pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

WTF

Yeah, you know. Bring up death certificates of women that died from botched abortions and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is "they were probably Democrats." Or something.

76 Kragar  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:18:31pm

re: #73 SH1T My Conscience Says

Still working on getting VD. My wife won't let me.

I don't blame her for not wanting you to get a VD.
/

77 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:19:08pm

re: #75 Gus

Yeah, you know. Bring up death certificates of women that died from botched abortions and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is "they were probably Democrats." Or something.

Believe it or not, Rush Limbaugh said exactly this on today's show!

78 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:21:30pm

re: #77 reuven

Believe it or not, Rush Limbaugh said exactly this on today's show!

I'm sure he did. So I guess the other part of Republican Preventive Medicine™ is to reduce the number of Democrats. No wait. They've already made those points to some effect already.

79 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:21:34pm

re: #66 Look At My New Grandbaby!

I just saw an "anti-Gingrich" ad on TV that showed Newt agreeing with Nancy Pelosi about AGW, like this is supposed to be a "bad" thing.

Oh wait, it was a Ron Paul ad.

The more obvious it is the climate is on its way up the harder the deniers will work to counter that information.

80 Shvaughn  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:21:45pm

re: #67 moderatelyradicalliberal

Is there a lawyer here who can explain to me why these laws haven't been challenged?

They HAVE been challenged; it's not like the appropriate groups are just sitting around not suing.

Here's a link to updates about the court fight against the Texas ultrasound bill.

Big problem? Republican judges.

81 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:23:39pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

WTF

This is what:

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

It ain't a Magical Balance Fairy summoning incantation, not at all. But given my long-standing anger at the corruption that so damages the city of my birth and of my current job, I simply could not resist the fat, juicy target that the phrase "Cook County death certificates" represented. Chicago's corruption does not minimize that women died from illegal abortions.

Cook County is the county Chicago is the greater part of. It's the county I live and work in and its corruption wounds me greatly.

82 theheat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:23:49pm

If I live two lifetimes it would be too soon to ever vote Republican again. Slut shaming is only the tip of the iceberg as to why not.

83 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:24:48pm

re: #80 Shvaughn

They HAVE been challenged; it's not like the appropriate groups are just sitting around not suing.

Here's a link to updates about the court fight against the Texas ultrasound bill.

Big problem? Republican judges.

Thanks. I knew about the Texas case and unfortunately the law is moving forward, but I hadn't heard anything else.

84 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:25:04pm

So much for not letting a bureaucrat get between a patient and their doctor.

/

85 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:26:08pm

re: #75 Gus

Yeah, you know. Bring up death certificates of women that died from botched abortions and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is "they were probably Democrats." Or something.

Gus, don't read that wrong. The "registered Democrats" part had nothing to do with the women who died, it was about the partisan affiliation of the Chicago Machine. My post was not, repeat not, intended as an attack on women who died due to an illegal abortion.

86 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:26:22pm

re: #75 Gus

Yeah, you know. Bring up death certificates of women that died from botched abortions and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is "they were probably Democrats." Or something.

Don't know. I've been confused about everything today, this just made it worse.

87 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:26:46pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Gus, don't read that wrong. The "registered Democrats" part had nothing to do with the women who died, it was about the partisan affiliation of the Chicago Machine. My post was not, repeat not, intended as an attack on women who died due to an illegal abortion.

I didn't say it was. I just think it was stupid to bring that up.

88 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:27:02pm

re: #75 Gus

Yeah, you know. Bring up death certificates of women that died from botched abortions and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is "they were probably Democrats." Or something.

CHICAGO! It rules. Everything.

89 Jimmi the Grey  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:27:15pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Dude, it was tasteless and callous. Give it up.

90 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:28:02pm

re: #76 Kragar

I don't blame her for not wanting you to get a VD.
/

What's wrong with a vinyl davenport?

91 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:28:37pm

Dark occasionally has these strange connections.

92 Gus  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:29:15pm

re: #91 jaunte

Dark occasionally has these strange connections.

All roads lead to Cook County.

//

93 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:30:27pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

This is what:

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Cook County is the county Chicago is the greater part of. It's the county I live and work in and its corruption wounds me greatly.

It wounds you?
Really?
I can understand if it pisses you off and drives you to action, but being wounded is just ... so passive.

94 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:30:35pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Gus, don't read that wrong. The "registered Democrats" part had nothing to do with the women who died, it was about the partisan affiliation of the Chicago Machine. My post was not, repeat not, intended as an attack on women who died due to an illegal abortion.

Well, my friend, you picked the wrong comment to respond to with your pitiful, we cant help ourselves, we're fucked, Chicago politics.

As usual, the real issues are tossed aside.

95 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:30:59pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

CHICAGO! It rules. Everything.

As a city, its a great one. And my anger does not stem from hate of Chicago, as is generally true for Republicans. My anger stems from the damage corruption does to the city I love.

And that's all I have to say about that. The original post was a cheap riff I should have resisted making.

96 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:31:52pm

re: #93 SH1T My Conscience Says

It wounds you?
Really?
I can understand if it pisses you off and drives you to action, but being wounded is just ... so passive.

///I've done far worse than piss you off Dark Falcon, I've wounded you, and I wish to go on wounding you....

97 JamesWI  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:31:54pm

re: #75 Gus

Yeah, you know. Bring up death certificates of women that died from botched abortions and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is "they were probably Democrats." Or something.

But remember, we shouldn't make fun of Santorum's name being a synonym for poopy froth, because his poor relatives might have to endure the pain of poop jokes.

But making jokes about women who died from abortions is HILARIOUS!!!!

98 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:32:15pm

The greatest danger of having a poor sense of humor is not knowing which jokes aren't funny.

99 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:32:26pm

re: #92 Gus

All roads lead to Cook County.

//

In some cases, all roads lead down hill. The moral high ground is unattainable.

100 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:33:45pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat

///I've done far worse than piss you off Dark Falcon, I've wounded you, and I wish to go on wounding you...

Buried alive...
alive...
alive...

101 Ming  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:34:00pm

Part of the law's purpose may be to simply discourage medical students from choosing any specialty that relates to women's health. Why get into a specialty where you, the doctor, must perform an invasive procedure that most patients don't want, and that might get you sued for malpractice if ANYTHING goes wrong, or appears to go wrong? (E.g. can you prove that some infection in that area, a month later, was NOT caused by your invasive procedure?)

102 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:34:10pm

re: #98 They're pants, essentially...

The greatest danger of having a poor sense of humor is not knowing which jokes aren't funny.

I just make as many jokes as possible in the hopes one or two are actually funny.

103 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:35:16pm

re: #102 SH1T My Conscience Says

I just make as many jokes as possible in the hopes one or two are actually funny.

You'll find that one someday.

/

104 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:35:17pm

re: #92 Gus

All roads lead to Cook County.

//

In the Tri-State area, they indeed do. How could it be otherwise? Chicago became a city because it was the transshipment point between the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River and its tributaries. It's water commerce led to the roads converging on Chicago, then the railroads, and in the 20th Century the upgraded highways and two airports completed Chicago as a travel hub.

/I know that's not what you meant, Gus. But you gave me a chance to go on a more neutral riff and have a little fun being informative.

105 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:35:36pm

re: #100 They're pants, essentially...

Buried alive...
alive...
alive...

DAAAARRRKKK!!!

106 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:36:08pm

re: #100 They're pants, essentially...

Buried alive...
alive...
alive...

KHAAAAANN!!!

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:36:50pm

re: #102 SH1T My Conscience Says

I just make as many jokes as possible in the hopes one or two are actually funny.

So you're the guy that bought my self help book! Thanks.
/

108 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:37:00pm

re: #105 talon_262

DAAARRRKKK!!!

Blog...out of danger...?

109 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:37:39pm

re: #108 They're pants, essentially...

Linconceivable!

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:38:39pm

re: #33 windupbird is in the gravity well

It's times like this that I am thankful for my state government of Oregon that isn't full of backwards hillbillies that think airplanes are witches and menstruating women should be locked underground

Airplanes aren't witches.

They're wishes.

Get it right.

111 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:38:53pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat

///I've done far worse than piss you off Dark Falcon, I've wounded you, and I wish to go on wounding you...

Spock: "James is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional too liberal thinking."

/

112 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:39:28pm

re: #103 They're pants, essentially...

You'll find that one someday.

/

Hope and change.

113 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:39:54pm

re: #109 jaunte

Linconceivable!

oh my god please stop with the Lin crap, everyone... pretty please with sugar on top?

114 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:40:06pm

re: #108 They're pants, essentially...

Blog...out of danger...?

Live long, and prosper...

/and aren't we a bunch of Trekkie Geeks?

115 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:40:24pm

re: #108 They're pants, essentially...

Blog...out of danger...?

You saved the blog...

116 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:40:31pm

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

So you're the guy that bought my self help book! Thanks.
/

I've read page 69 666 times.

117 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:40:46pm

re: #112 SH1T My Conscience Says

Hope and change.

Yes we Khan.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:41:52pm

re: #113 They're pants, essentially...

oh my god please stop with the Lin crap, everyone... pretty please with sugar on top?

Seconded. The whole thing is pretty Linconsiderate.

/I don't even know what this "Lin" meme is... :P

119 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:42:06pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Why wait for a reporter? Sounds like you have the makings of a really good LGF Page. You should post that one - it could even end up on the front page.

Seconded.

120 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:42:25pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Ah come on guys, this one deserves an upding.

121 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:42:50pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Seconded. The whole thing is pretty Linconsiderate.

/I don't even know what this "Lin" meme is... :P

I actually don't know.

122 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:43:03pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Seconded. The whole thing is pretty Linconsiderate.

/I don't even know what this "Lin" meme is... :P

Has something to do with Lincoln Park or Linux.

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:43:40pm

re: #122 SH1T My Conscience Says

I was gonna guess Linda Blair. Oh well.

124 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:43:41pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Seconded. The whole thing is pretty Linconsiderate.

/I don't even know what this "Lin" meme is... :P

Jeremy Lin of the Knicks...

125 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:43:56pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Seconded. The whole thing is pretty Linconsiderate.

/I don't even know what this "Lin" meme is... :P

It's okay. Just get back under your rock and it'll all go away faster than you can say macarena.

126 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:44:26pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

This is what:

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Cook County is the county Chicago is the greater part of. It's the county I live and work in and its corruption wounds me greatly.

Standing up for straight governance should not get down dinged IMO.

127 Mocking Jay  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:46:49pm

re: #126 Daniel Ballard

Standing up for straight governance should not get down dinged IMO.

That's not why it was down-dinged.

128 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:47:03pm

Good evening and happy V day to everyone.

This shit of our American lives is just that, absolute bullshit. I'm checking out to really enjoy life (company & food) but the fight, has not ended. Cause that's all we can do. Fight.

GOOD NIGHT NOW

129 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:47:24pm

re: #126 Daniel Ballard

Standing up for straight governance should not get down dinged IMO.

I didn't ding it one way or another, but I get the feeling some here, might argue that straight governance should not be put forward on the backs of women who died due to having to preform their own abortions.

130 jaunte  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:47:45pm

re: #126 Daniel Ballard

I think it was the oddly forced connection between deaths from illegal abortions and those dead people being used for voter fraud that was down-dinged, not that anyone is opposed to straight governance, really.

131 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:49:01pm

re: #129 jamesfirecat

I didn't ding it one way or another, but I get the feeling some here, might argue that straight governance should not be put forward on the backs of women who died due to having to preform their own abortions.

That was not my intention, but I didn't communicate correctly.

132 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:49:48pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Good evening and happy V day to everyone.

This shit of our American lives is just that, absolute bullshit. I'm checking out to really enjoy life (company & food) but the fight, has not ended. Cause that's all we can do. Fight.

GOOD NIGHT NOW

I love a happy V.

133 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:50:27pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Ah come on guys, this one deserves an upding.

Of my friend, I can only say this: of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most...human.

134 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 7:57:05pm

I'm heading upstairs.

135 Lidane  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 8:09:21pm
136 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 8:10:12pm

The funniest/sickest part to me, is there is NO WAY women would get to do something like this to men. Can you IMAGINE their horror?

137 Lidane  Tue, Feb 14, 2012 8:13:35pm

re: #136 Floral Giraffe

The funniest/sickest part to me, is there is NO WAY women would get to do something like this to men. Can you IMAGINE their horror?

If there was a mandated prostate exam without exception to go with every Viagra and Cialis prescription, these same men passing these ultrasound bills would scream like stuck pigs.

138 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:32:37am

Is this the "less government" they keep promising us?

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:36:22am

This is exactly why I worked to preserve the Democratic majority in the state senate here last year to act as a bulwark to prevent nutty shit like this from being passed. We've lost that and now the Republicans have the majority. And if Bob McDonnell ever seeks higher office whether as VP or president, he is not a moderate at all. Really, what the hell is wrong with the Virginia GOP? And these bastards have the nerve to act like Obamacare is this intrusive terrible thing. At least that's designed to help people for all its fault. This, this is a monstrosity.


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