Sarah Palin’s Word Salad of the Day

Palin waterboards the English language again
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Interviewed today on Fox & Friends (where else), Sarah Palin served up another of her unique and tantalizing word salads (or, salade de mots as they say in Paris, France), while defending the GOP’s attacks on birth control insurance coverage and explaining that Obama is “underestimating the wisdom of women.”

“Truly, it is a war on our religious liberties and that violation of conscience that he would mandate that is un-American because it violates our First Amendment in our Constitution.”

Tasty!

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1 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:29:41pm

In rebuttal, I think Steve Martin said it best when he said ,"Can I mambo dogface to the banana patch?"

Because really, what else can you say in response?

2 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:30:33pm

Parser returned with an exception.

3 Lidane  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:30:54pm

I have no idea what the fuck that even means.

Does Apple have a Derp-to-English translator app? If not, they need to get on it before the election. I suspect Caribou Barbie and the rest of the wingnuts will be bringing a lot of word salad between now and then.

4 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:31:24pm

I wonder what Palin thinks about Virginia's invasive ultrasound "exam". On second thought....

5 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:31:24pm

Those bad lip-reading clips make more sense.

6 terraincognita  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:32:50pm

I am really, really trying to figure out what she is trying to say, and I can't. My mind feels like it is imploding.

7 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:32:59pm

re: #3 Lidane

I have no idea what the fuck that even means.

Does Apple have a Derp-to-English translator app? If not, they need to get on it before the election. I suspect Caribou Barbie and the rest of the wingnuts will be bringing a lot of word salad between now and then.

Nobody makes an app or computer that powerful to see the pattern in all that randomness.

8 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:33:12pm

re: #4 Bulworth

I wonder what Palin thinks about Virginia's invasive ultrasound "exam". On second thought...

Oh I know the answer. It's to protect the rights of the unborn and the 10th amendment. Seriously, that ultrasound "exam" is exactly why I helped out in local races because I knew stuff like this would happen. See in the past, the House of Delegates would pass nutbar crap like this but the Dem majority in the state senate would reject it. But now the Republicans have a majority in the state senate unfortunately. Oh well, glad to live in Northern Virginia which according to Sarah isn't "real" anyway.

9 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:34:29pm

I'm so sick of this "war against religious liberties" garbage. They want religious war? Iran, Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo... can't even begin to describe it. We're talking murder in the streets! Tell me again how horrible it is to be the Christian majority in America, Sarah?

It's so terrible, in fact, that religious houses of worship get to keep BILLIONS TAX FREE. Not even their riches can stop the ingrates from making victims out of themselves.

10 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:34:33pm

Yikes, i've seen really bad Japanese to English translations that made more sense (and better grammar) than that...

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:34:38pm

So were are the republicans citing 4th Amendment violations in the passing of invasive, transvaginal ultrasound mandates for women seeking abortions?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

12 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:35:37pm

re: #9 marjoriemoon

I'm so sick of this "war against religious liberties" garbage. They want religious war? Iran, Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo... can't even begin to describe it. We're talking murder in the streets! Tell me again how horrible it is to be the Christian majority in America, Sarah?

It's so terrible, in fact, that religious houses of worship get to keep BILLIONS TAX FREE. Not even their riches stops the ingrates from making victims out of themselves.

This is the same woman who called a criticism of her a "blood libel" following the attempted assassination of a Jewish congresswoman who she had targeted. She has no sense of perspective but more importantly decency.

13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:37:04pm

O/T but:

This is what happens when religion dictates health care...

14 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:37:34pm

Participle phrase, pronoun, dangler!

15 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:38:14pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

The world revolves around Palin.

16 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:38:16pm

re: #9 marjoriemoon

I'm so sick of this "war against religious liberties" garbage. They want religious war? Iran, Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo... can't even begin to describe it. We're talking murder in the streets! Tell me again how horrible it is to be the Christian majority in America, Sarah?

It's so terrible, in fact, that religious houses of worship get to keep BILLIONS TAX FREE. Not even their riches stops the ingrates from making victims out of themselves.

I'm getting sick and tired of their shit.

You don't believe in gay marriage? Fine, don't fucking marry a homosexual.

You don't believe in abortion? Fine, don't fucking have one.

Still feel strongly about it? Try and logically convince others to share your views and stop trying to ram your morality onto other people's lives.

17 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:38:35pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

This is the same woman who called a criticism of her a "blood libel." She has no sense of perspective but more importantly decency.

She's whoring for the Republican vote. She'll say anything, anytime, anywhere. Reality plays no part.

18 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:39:10pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

So were are the republicans citing 4th Amendment violations in the passing of invasive, transvaginal ultrasound mandates for women seeking abortions?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

4th Amendment? There's only the 2nd and the 10th. /

19 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:40:02pm

re: #13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

O/T but:

This is what happens when religion dictates health care...

Giving money to St. Joseph's in Phoenix was a very pleasant experience. I recommend it.

Also, fuck Olmsted.

20 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:40:50pm

"That which he would that to try to violate it's wrong."

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:40:57pm

What bothers me is basically using the power of the state to scare a woman into not getting an abortion. That's my biggest problem with the anti abortion political movement in this country. They don't seem to care about preventing the conditions that lead women to choose to get abortions in the first place. Why that would be "socialism" and "hand outs" and "unconstitutional" but state mandated guilt trips and invasive procedures are just great!

22 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:41:00pm

And yet, compared to the hosts of Fox & Friends, she almost sounds like she's literate.

23 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:41:01pm

Buffer overflow detected.
;)

24 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:42:14pm

re: #13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

O/T but:

This is what happens when religion dictates health care...

I'd rather have the government between me and my doctor than some bishop from a faith I'm not a part of.

25 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:42:18pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

Buffer overflow detected.
;)

Fluffer overflow detected.

26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:42:48pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

What bothers me is basically using the power of the state to scare a woman into not getting an abortion. That's my biggest problem with the anti abortion political movement in this country. They don't seem to care about preventing the conditions that lead women to choose to get abortions in the first place. Why that would be "socialism" and "hand outs" and "unconstitutional" but state mandated guilt trips and invasive procedures are just great!

the power of the state being directed by the hands of the church. If I recall that's one of the problems we had with England back when Paul Revere was warning people that the british were coming to take their guns.

27 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:42:55pm

re: #24 They're pants, essentially...

I'd rather have the government between me and my doctor than some bishop from a faith I'm not a part of.

At least you can try and vote those guys out every few years.

28 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:43:53pm

I'm surprised she didn't say it was a Second Amendment issue because babies have arms, and arms are protected by the Second Amendment.

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:44:00pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Um, I mean "... where are the republicans..."

I can't type.

30 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:44:29pm

re: #25 Kragar

Fluffer overflow detected.

I hate fluffer overblow.

31 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45:51pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

So were are the republicans citing 4th Amendment violations in the passing of invasive, transvaginal ultrasound mandates for women seeking abortions?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

The 4th Amendment is all about honoring thy mother and thy father.

32 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:46:02pm

Diet nazis strike again. Oh wait.

Man suffers heart attack at Heart Attack Grill

The restaurant is known for not holding back on the food it serves. Signs around the business glorify bad eating habits and the menu includes items like Flatliner Fries, and Butterfat Milkshakes.

One meal, the "quadruple bypass burger" can easily exceed 8,000 calories.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:47:18pm

re: #32 jaunte

Diet nazis strike again. Oh wait.

Man suffers heart attack at Heart Attack Grill

A burger that is over 8,000 calories? Uh gross. I'm a pretty big guy, got an appetite but that grosses me out.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:47:38pm

re: #16 Kragar

Still feel strongly about it? Try and logically convince others to share your views and stop trying to ram your morality onto other people's lives.

And stop using the force of the State to do so.

35 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:49:05pm

Heartland Confirms that it Mistakenly Emailed Internal Documents

The Heartland Institute has confirmed in a prepared statement that it mistakenly emailed its board materials to an anonymous third party - confirming the source of the documents released here on the DeSmogBlog yesterday.

36 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:49:52pm

re: #35 jaunte

Heartland Confirms that it Mistakenly Emailed Internal Documents

Derp.

37 mikec6666  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:50:04pm

It's a stream of consciousness thing -- like Carlos Castaneda novel with no grammar applied.

38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:50:29pm

Jews to Mormons: Stop with the baptism of our dead

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:50:31pm

re: #32 jaunte

That's a feature, not a bug. Sort of like when heroin addicts hear about a fellow addict that over dosed on a particularly pure supply, seek out said supplier.

40 bubba zanetti  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:51:45pm

re: #7 Daniel Ballard

Nobody makes an app or computer that powerful to see the pattern in all that randomness.

Can't you detangle a Markov chain with statistical methods?

41 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:53:40pm

Obama up above 50%

[Link: www.globalpost.com...]

42 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:54:43pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

Tyranny!

43 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:55:04pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

Obama up above 50%

[Link: www.globalpost.com...]

Well, of course thats what the ultra-elite liberal media would like you to believe...

44 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:56:51pm
“Truly, it is a war on our religious liberties and that violation of conscience that he would mandate that is un-American because it violates our First Amendment in our Constitution.”

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

45 mikec6666  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:57:13pm

re: #35 jaunte

That it amazing material. The conspiracy is so banal.

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:57:22pm

re: #43 Kragar

I miss seeing Norm McDonald on SNL's Weekend Update.

Randomly adding "... or so the Germans would have us believe" to various news tidbits.

47 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:58:08pm

re: #43 Kragar


"B-b-but everybody in my village in Alabama hates him! Conspiracy!"

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:58:35pm

re: #44 celticdragon

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

It is just a matter of stringing buzz words together. Fox viewers make perfect sense of it: "Obama is the Antichrist!"

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:58:55pm

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

I miss seeing Norm McDonald on SNL's Weekend Update.

Randomly adding "... or so the Germans would have us believe" to various news tidbits.

Wonder what Norm's up to these days. I liked him on Weekend Update too. Plus Real World with Bob Dole is one of my favorite skits.

50 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:59:07pm

re: #38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Jews to Mormons: Stop with the baptism of our dead

No problem, we'll just get a few rabbis to convert Joseph Smith to Judaism posthumously so it'll be even...
/

51 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:59:29pm

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

I miss seeing Norm McDonald on SNL's Weekend Update.

Randomly adding "... or so the Germans would have us believe" to various news tidbits.

Had a buddy who would add "in accordance with the Prophecy" to see who was paying attention.

He got away with it most of the time.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00:16pm

re: #50 Archangelus

No problem, we'll just get a few rabbis to convert Joseph Smith to Judaism posthumously so it'll be even...
/

And circumcise Mitt Romney free of charge...

53 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00:45pm

re: #44 celticdragon

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

I'm amazed she didn't throw in at least one "uh, like" while popping some gum and twirling her hair.

54 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:02:20pm

re: #44 celticdragon

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

Image: w_tangle.jpg

55 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:02:30pm

Palin. The gift that keeps on grifting. Thanks John McCain,thanks alot. Nimrod.

56 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:03:08pm

re: #44 celticdragon

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

Image: 14650147.jpg

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:03:25pm

re: #55 A Mom Anon

I'm thinking McCain had little choice in the matter.

58 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:05:04pm

Awesome (except for the misplaced apostrophe)

59 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:05:51pm

salade de mots

i would say "salade aux paroles"

'mot' is for a word in a dictionary or perhaps on the page. when the words are, like, all live getting yanno, spoken and suchlike in people's mouths, they become 'paroles'

60 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:05:53pm

re: #38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Jews to Mormons: Stop with the baptism of our dead

I'm so confused. Wiesel isn't dead! And baptizing a dead body is just weird and gross!

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:06:10pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm thinking McCain had little choice in the matter.

It was take on Sarah or the right wing was gonna run their own candidate.

62 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:06:30pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Well then,GOP muckity mucks,thanks,sooooo much.

63 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:07:31pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

Isn't there some sort of global 'undo' prayer that other faiths can claim counteracts the Mormon posthumous baptism?

64 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:08:06pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm thinking McCain had little choice in the matter.

"The buck stops down the hall with my campaign staff" just doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

65 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:09:21pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

I'm so confused. Wiesel isn't dead! And baptizing a dead body is just weird and gross!

Asher and Rosa Rapp Wiesenthal, the Jewish parents of Simon Wiesenthal... and yes, weird and gross indeed

66 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:09:49pm

re: #63 jaunte

Isn't there some sort of global 'undo' prayer that other faiths can claim counteracts the Mormon posthumous baptism?

Youtube Video
67 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:10:23pm

re: #63 jaunte

Isn't there some sort of global 'undo' prayer that other faiths can claim counteracts the Mormon posthumous baptism?

This (courtesy of Bill Maher):

Youtube Video
68 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:10:23pm

re: #44 celticdragon

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

i get a compiler error

70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:11:08pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

courtesy of balloon-juice:

Image: freedumb.jpg

71 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:12:51pm

re: #58 darthstar

I am going to strangle your inner child for the damage you have done to my brain with that image.

72 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:14:12pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

I'm so confused. Wiesel isn't dead! And baptizing a dead body is just weird and gross!

And so the war spreads to Mormonism...

73 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:14:34pm

re: #68 engineer cat

i get a compiler error

Sarahtation Fault.

74 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:14:45pm

re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth

I am going to strangle your inner child for the damage you have done to my brain with that image.

Image: yahoo-answers-troll-yes-yes-there-is.jpg

75 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:15:46pm

re: #63 jaunte

Isn't there some sort of global 'undo' prayer that other faiths can claim counteracts the Mormon posthumous baptism?

I have no idea, but baptizing anyone, particularly a Jew without their consent is really beyond my comprehension. I mean, doesn't it basically say that your religion is so meaningless, we can turn you into a Christian when you're dead and you can't do anything about it. On top of which, I think it would make Gd REALLY cranky.

76 bubba zanetti  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:16:27pm

re: #30 darthstar

I hate fluffer overblow.

She's overqualified, then.

77 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:17:35pm

re: #67 Archangelus

hehe I think I like Bill Maher again.

That is some whacked out shiite.

78 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:18:14pm

re: #75 marjoriemoon

I have no idea, but baptizing anyone, particularly a Jew without their consent is really beyond my comprehension. I mean, doesn't it basically say that your religion is so meaningless, we can turn you into a Christian when you're dead and you can't do anything about it. On top of which, I think it would make Gd REALLY cranky.

I'm pretty sure non-consensual baptizing of anyone of any belief system or lack thereof is beyond the pale. I'm not clear on why it's extra unacceptable when talking about Jewish people.

79 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:20:58pm

re: #78 erik_t

I'm pretty sure baptizing anyone of any belief system or lack thereof is beyond the pale. I'm not clear on why it's extra unacceptable when talking about Jewish people.

I agree, but there is an ugly history of people trying to convert Jews you must admit...

80 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:21:01pm

re: #78 erik_t

I'm pretty sure non-consensual baptizing of anyone of any belief system or lack thereof is beyond the pale. I'm not clear on why it's extra unacceptable when talking about Jewish people.

Well no, it's not. Other than the fact that Christians spent 100s of years trying to kill us.

81 Altermite  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:22:21pm

I honestly don't know what to think of the current GOP strategy of alienating minorities, women, scientists and almost everyone who has sex.

I think they just want Obama to go gray, or even bald.

82 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:23:40pm

Santorum To North Dakota Voters: Terrorists 'Will Bother You'

Rick Santorum told supporters in North Dakota that even they are not safe from terrorists. "Folks, you've got energy here. They're going to bother you. They'll bother you, because you are a very key and strategic resource for this country," Santorum said.

Santorum said "no one is safe" from terrorist threats.

Nothing like some good ole fashioned scare tactics.

Plus, "bother them"? Al Qaeda is going to start leaving flaming bags of poop at the front door?

83 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:24:47pm

re: #66 Interesting Times

[Video]

Heh, beaten to the post by mere seconds... needless to say, I like the way you think :)

re: #58 darthstar

Awesome (except for the misplaced apostrophe)

Aaaarrrggghhh! My eyes!!! Oh sweet [insert deity of choice], my eyes!!!

84 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:25:22pm

re: #81 Altermite

I honestly don't know what to think of the current GOP strategy of alienating minorities, women, scientists and almost everyone who has sex.

Conservative Pundits To Youths: Stop Being Such Trollops At CPAC

85 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:27:06pm

re: #82 Kragar

Santorum To North Dakota Voters: Terrorists 'Will Bother You'

Nothing like some good ole fashioned scare tactics.

Plus, "bother them"? Al Qaeda is going to start leaving flaming bags of poop at the front door?

Calling in pizza orders at 2 in the morning.

86 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:27:22pm

re: #82 Kragar

Santorum To North Dakota Voters: Terrorists 'Will Bother You'

Nothing like some good ole fashioned scare tactics.

Plus, "bother them"? Al Qaeda is going to start leaving flaming bags of poop at the front door?

Al Qaeda leadership (what's little is left of it): What the **** is a North Dakota???
/

87 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:28:08pm

re: #85 Varek Raith

Calling in pizza orders at 2 in the morning.

"Mahmoud, The Johnson's are sitting down to dinner, wait 5 minutes and call them about a great deal on aluminum siding."

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:29:39pm

Mystery solved!

89 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:30:20pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

Image: 14650147.jpg

Win!

90 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:30:38pm

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

Mystery solved!

then I must be a freaking slut. Happens nearly every night, full body spasm.

91 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:31:10pm

re: #86 Archangelus

Al Qaeda leadership (what's little is left of it): What the *** is a North Dakota???
/

Laugh now, wait until operation "Drive 15 miles below the speed limit in the fast lane with your turn signal on" catches up to you.

92 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:31:20pm

re: #86 Archangelus

Al Qaeda leadership (what's little is left of it): What the *** is a North Dakota???
/

As opposed to having an Opus Dei obsessed moralizing freak come and bother you??

93 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:32:24pm

re: #78 erik_t

It's the specific act of baptizing those Jews who either died in the Holocaust or who had survived it; Jews who were targeted by the Nazis precisely because they were Jewish. Here, you've got a group of Mormons conducting baptisms (and it's called baptism by proxy) of Jews, including Simon Weisenthal.

94 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:32:25pm

re: #84 jaunte

Conservative Pundits To Youths: Stop Being Such Trollops At CPAC

Gotta love those conservative wimminz dressed up like "two bit tramps"...

95 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:32:45pm

re: #91 Kragar

Laugh now, wait until operation "Drive 15 miles below the speed limit in the fast lane with your turn signal on" catches up to you.

Worse - "Moamar, the Andersons are about to start their dinner prayer; Your orders are to phone them and ask them if they're satisfied with their insurance provider multiple times"...

96 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:32:57pm

re: #91 Kragar

Laugh now, wait until operation "Drive 15 miles below the speed limit in the fast lane with your turn signal on" catches up to you.

Then bolt across 4 lanes of traffic.

97 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:33:51pm

re: #93 lawhawk

It's the specific act of baptizing those Jews who either died in the Holocaust or who had survived it; Jews who were targeted by the Nazis precisely because they were Jewish. Here, you've got a group of Mormons conducting baptisms (and it's called baptism by proxy) of Jews, including Simon Weisenthal.

I cannot frakking believe that one. The sheer moral obtuseness and utter disdain for other faiths is staggering.

98 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:34:09pm

re: #82 Kragar

Santorum To North Dakota Voters: Terrorists 'Will Bother You'

Nothing like some good ole fashioned scare tactics.

Plus, "bother them"? Al Qaeda is going to start leaving flaming bags of poop at the front door?

Abdu il Gotten will stand behind you with a finger just behind your earlobe and say, "I'm not touching you!" over and over and over...

99 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:34:53pm

re: #98 darthstar

Abdu il Gotten will stand behind you with a finger just behind your earlobe and say, "I'm not touching you!" over and over and over...

Operation Atomic Wedgie.

100 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:35:02pm

re: #94 celticdragon

Apparently there's a very narrow conservative-blogger-acceptable sweet spot between the extremes:

Women will be future leaders, too, and I was dismayed to see how many of them either looked frumpish or like two-bit whores.

101 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:35:25pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

Then bolt across 4 lanes of traffic.

Misses their exit, starts backing up...

102 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:35:42pm

re: #93 lawhawk

It's the specific act of baptizing those Jews who either died in the Holocaust or who had survived it; Jews who were targeted by the Nazis precisely because they were Jewish. Here, you've got a group of Mormons conducting baptisms (and it's called baptism by proxy) of Jews, including Simon Weisenthal.

I had no idea they specifically targeted Holocaust survivors for this madness.

Poor Elie. First it's PETA, then it's the Mormons.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:36:16pm

re: #75 marjoriemoon

I have no idea, but baptizing anyone, particularly a Jew without their consent is really beyond my comprehension. I mean, doesn't it basically say that your religion is so meaningless, we can turn you into a Christian when you're dead and you can't do anything about it. On top of which, I think it would make Gd REALLY cranky.

No, it doesn't. Because Mormons don't believe that posthumous baptisms automatically change people into Mormons. Rather, the dead are allegedly presented a chance to convert in the spirit world.

104 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:36:27pm

re: #97 celticdragon

I cannot frakking believe that one. The sheer moral obtuseness and utter disdain for other faiths is staggering.

Isn't that a feature of most modern religions? When I went to a Baptist high school for the ninth grade(1979) I was told "Catholics are wrong, they're idol worshippers, and they're all going to burn in Hell." I was like, "Fuck it, I'll be dead by then anyway."

105 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:37:25pm

Good thing the Mormon religion is completely made-up bullshit

106 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:37:58pm

re: #105 SpaceJesus

Good thing the Mormon religion is completely made-up bullshit

But it's based on widely accepted made up bullshit.

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:38:00pm

re: #105 SpaceJesus

Good thing the Mormon religion is completely made-up bullshit

As is any other religion. So should we start to get outraged over any weird religious ritual?

108 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:38:56pm

re: #100 jaunte

Apparently there's a very narrow conservative-blogger-acceptable sweet spot between the extremes:

That was the quote I was going for. I just couldn't remember if the "unknown" GOPer had said 'whores' or 'skanks' or whatever. Any way you slice it, it doesn't come off good for their attitude towards women. It feeds right back into the old saint/slut dichotomy. If a women isn't obviously chaste and pure, then she is a slut who deserves whatever she gets.. Apparently.

109 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:39:07pm

re: #103 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

No, it doesn't. Because Mormons don't believe that posthumous baptisms automatically change people into Mormons. Rather, the dead are allegedly presented a chance to convert in the spirit world.

I can't tell if you're being snarky so I'll just assume that you are.

110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:39:33pm

re: #109 marjoriemoon

I can't tell if you're being snarky so I'll just assume that you are.

Um. You can actually look it up.

111 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:39:45pm

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman"

Starring Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phylis Schlafly, Dana Loesch, and more.

112 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:40:16pm

re: #102 marjoriemoon

The Church leaders claim that this was done by rogue elements in the Church, but there was a prior incident where they entered into an agreement:

Church officials, in response, stated that the Church does not teach that vicarious baptisms coerce deceased persons to become Mormons, nor does the Church add those names to its list of Church members.[52][53] Church officials have also stated that, in accordance with the 1995 agreement, it has removed more than 300,000 names of Jewish Holocaust victims from its databases, as well as subsequently removing names later identified by Jewish groups. Church officials have also stated that a new version of the database, New FamilySearch, has been developed and is currently being implemented that would help prevent the submission of Holocaust victim names for temple ordinances.[54]

Yet, there's still at it...

113 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:40:17pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman"

Starring Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phylis Schlafly, Dana Loesch, and more.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's all of them.

114 celticdragon  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:41:04pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman"

Starring Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phylis Schlafly, Dana Loesch, and more.

Directed by the ghost of Leni Riefenstahl.

115 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:41:13pm

re: #110 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Um. You can actually look it up.

Look up what? Why Gd gets cranky?

Trying to convert someone after they are dead by baptizing a living person is just plain crazy. On top of which, doing so to Holocaust survivors is quite frankly evil in my eyes.

116 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:41:16pm

re: #109 marjoriemoon

I can't tell if you're being snarky so I'll just assume that you are.

Nope...the Mormons have taken the gated community concept and applied it to the afterlife. Born, baptised and faithful Mormon men go to one heaven, converts to a suburb, and the riff-raff is sent to the projects where, with centuries of hard work and dedication, they can work their way up to the middle tiers.

117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:41:26pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman"

Starring Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phylis Schlafly, Dana Loesch, and more.

If by "fire from the heartland" they mean heartburn, then sure.

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:41:39pm

[Link: www.lds.org...]

Baptisms for the Dead
Jesus Christ taught that baptism is essential to the salvation of all who have lived on earth (see John 3:5). Many people, however, have died without being baptized. Others were baptized without proper authority. Because God is merciful, He has prepared a way for all people to receive the blessings of baptism. By performing proxy baptisms in behalf of those who have died, Church members offer these blessings to deceased ancestors. Individuals can then choose to accept or reject what has been done in their behalf.

I wonder whatever happened to research before the outrage.

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:42:12pm

re: #100 jaunte

'cuz that's what's wrong at CPAC. Not the JBS, not Brimelow, but frumpy, slutty women.

120 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:42:16pm

re: #117 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

If by "fire from the heartland" they mean heartburn, then sure.

I'm waiting on the porno version myself.

121 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:42:45pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman".

Look, it's the group barn.

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:43:13pm

re: #115 marjoriemoon

Look up what? Why Gd gets cranky?

No. That posthumous baptism is not the same as automatic posthumous conversion. Mormons do not assume that the dead people become Mormons after this rite.

123 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:43:15pm

re: #118 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

[Link: www.lds.org...]

I wonder whatever happened to research before the outrage.

Back off. I'm still outraged.

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:44:04pm

re: #118 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Also:

Some people have misunderstood that when baptisms for the dead are performed, deceased persons are baptized into the Church against their will. This is not the case. Each individual has agency, or the right to choose. The validity of a baptism for the dead depends on the deceased person accepting it and choosing to accept and follow the Savior while residing in the spirit world. The names of deceased persons are not added to the membership records of the Church.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:44:08pm

re: #111 Kragar

Worst. Lesbian Pr0n. Evar.

126 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:44:15pm

re: #123 marjoriemoon

Back off. I'm still outraged.

There are so many other things to be legitimately outraged about, that actually harm living human beings.

127 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:45:18pm

re: #124 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

The validity of a baptism for the dead depends on the deceased person accepting it and choosing to accept and follow the Savior while residing in the spirit world.

Only living souls possess free will.

128 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:45:44pm

re: #63 jaunte

Isn't there some sort of global 'undo' prayer that other faiths can claim counteracts the Mormon posthumous baptism?

Well, to stick with Steve Martin references. You just have to say:

"I break with thee"
"I break with thee"
"I break with thee"
And then throw dog poop on their shoes

129 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:46:02pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman"

Starring Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phylis Schlafly, Dana Loesch, and more.

Apparently they aren't yet awake enough to write, direct, edit, or produce their own movie. Men did.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:46:22pm

re: #127 Look At My New Grandbaby!

Only living souls possess free will.

According to Mormons the dead possess free will.

131 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:46:41pm

re: #126 Look At My New Grandbaby!

There are so many other things to be legitimately outraged about, that actually harm living human beings.

You don't think Elie Wiesel or Simon Wiesenthal are far more outraged than I?

132 jaunte  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:47:34pm

re: #128 RayFerd

I see the Vatican already did:
[Link: www.vatican.va...]

133 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:48:20pm

Hey all,

I needed a little help, was feeling a bit hohum. This helped.


How is the afternoon going?

134 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:48:34pm

Fischer: Women are Emotionally Unfit for Combat

Not surprisingly, Bryan Fischer agrees with Santorum ... and is even willing to defend the view that Santorum himself rejected: that women are inherently emotionally unfit for combat:

But not only are women emotionally unfit for combat but also physically unfit because, as Fischer explained in his column today, "the average female soldier does not even have the arm strength to throw a grenade far enough to keep herself from getting blown up."

More from Fischer...

Our military opponents for the foreseeable future will be Muslims. Female soldiers captured in combat will be subjected to unspeakable sexual abuse and torture at the hands of their Muslim captors, who believe the insulting and degrading things Muhammad said about the fairer sex. It is unconscionable for a Christian nation to subject its women to this kind of risk.

Yet our president blindly pushes on in his mindless effort to impose secular and pagan values on our military, weakening the armed forces and putting women in positions where they not only will jeopardize military missions but be at risk of cruel and inhuman treatment in captivity.

It is just a simple fact that neither nature nor nature’s God designed the female body for the rigors of combat. Men have greater size, upper body strength and stamina for a reason: God’s intention is for them to use that superior strength to protect women and children.

The risks of women in combat are obvious. They do not have the stamina their male counterparts have when combat situations are arduous and demanding for hours and even days at a time. They do not have the physical strength to carry a wounded and heavier comrade to safety.

The Marines discovered in the 1990s that the average female soldier does not even have the arm strength to throw a grenade far enough to keep herself from getting blown up.

135 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:49:07pm

re: #130 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

According to Mormons the dead possess free will.

How do they know?

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:49:11pm

According to traditional Christian interpretation I'm going to hell after death. Could I give a damn about it? No, because I don't believe in hell.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:49:50pm

re: #135 Look At My New Grandbaby!

How do they know?

It's a matter of faith, like the rest of religious metaphysical postulates.

138 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:49:53pm

re: #124 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Also:

Sounds like a way for the baptizer to collect fees.

IMHO

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:50:14pm

re: #138 ggt

Sounds like a way for the baptizer to collect fees.

IMHO

From whom?

140 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:50:56pm

re: #139 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

From whom?

The family of the deceased?

I don't know.

Still, it seems like a scam to me.

141 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:51:19pm

re: #140 ggt

The family of the deceased?

The families don't even know.

142 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:52:08pm

Anthony Watts is flailing.

143 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:52:16pm

re: #141 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

The families don't even know.

sorry, didn't read the whole topic on the thread.

Most of what churches do seem like a scam to me. What possible good is it to baptize a dead person, if it doesn't give comfort to the family?

144 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:52:37pm

re: #142 Varek Raith

Anthony Watts is flailing.

Does he need voltage?

145 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:52:51pm

re: #136 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

According to traditional Christian interpretation I'm going to hell after death. Could I give a damn about it? No, because I don't believe in hell.

You're reeeaallly going to hell for that!

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:53:18pm

Why do you think all the emphasis the Mormons put on genealogical records all around the world - cf. [Link: www.familysearch.org...] ?
Because they're gathered to baptize the dead en masse.

147 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:53:22pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

You're reeeaallly going to hell for that!

Thats cool, my friends will all be there.

148 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:53:30pm

re: #134 Kragar

"the average female soldier does not even have the arm strength to throw a grenade far enough to keep herself from getting blown up."

What a freakin' moron.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:53:46pm

After this guy passes, I will officially convert him to Pastafarianism.

Youtube Video
150 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:53:46pm

In the world of Mormonism, posthumous baptism has meaning.
Outside the world of Mormonism, it's just so much mumbling and hand-waving.

So, apart from making the baptizers look foolish, what's the problem?

151 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:54:25pm

re: #143 ggt

sorry, didn't read the whole topic on the thread.

Most of what churches do seem like a scam to me. What possible good is it to baptize a dead person, if it doesn't give comfort to the family?

It pisses off the family.

152 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:55:20pm

re: #151 Look At My New Grandbaby!

It pisses off the family.

Yeah, it would piss me off too.

Personally, I don't think G-d cares one way or the other. Its a ritual for the living who seem to need rituals.

153 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:56:07pm

re: #112 lawhawk

The Church leaders claim that this was done by rogue elements in the Church, but there was a prior incident where they entered into an agreement:

Yet, there's still at it...

Baptism by query.

SELECT * from DEAD_HEATHEN dh INTO MID_HEAVEN where dh.heathen in DEAD_FUCKERS_FROM_EVIL_CULT and dh.parent_faith != 'Roman Catholic';

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:56:30pm

re: #143 ggt

sorry, didn't read the whole topic on the thread.

Most of what churches do seem like a scam to me. What possible good is it to baptize a dead person, if it doesn't give comfort to the family?

From a secular point it doesn't make sense to pray, it doesn't make sense to baptize the living, etc. Yet these beliefs do exist, and people act on them.

Mormons believe that they give non-Mormons a chance to enter the Celestial Kingdom by these baptisms. So if one accepts the Mormon religious postulates, this makes sense - inside that framework.

155 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:56:33pm

re: #146 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Why do you think all the emphasis the Mormons put on genealogical records all around the world - cf. [Link: www.familysearch.org...] ?
Because they're gathered to baptize the dead en masse.

So, it's basically a way to justifiy the church hierarchy's existance and continue collections from the faithful?

156 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:56:36pm

Freedom of Religion: it cuts both ways.

157 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:57:27pm

re: #149 Slumbering Behemoth

After this guy passes, I will officially convert him to Pastafarianism.

[Video]

In nomine Pasta, et Fettucini, et Spiritu Ziti

158 Kragar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:57:54pm

re: #148 ggt

What a freakin' moron.

I'd like to see Fischer attempt to throw a live grenade. The man would shit himself.

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:58:00pm

re: #155 ggt

So, it's basically a way to justifiy the church hierarchy's existance and continue collections from the faithful?

No, that is a separate commandment ;) Mormons will tithe (i.e. give up 1/10 of income) regardless of whether they baptize the dead.

160 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:58:00pm

re: #147 Kragar

Thats cool, my friends will all be there.

Unless they were baptised after death without their knowledge? Is that how it is supposed to work?

161 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:58:00pm

re: #136 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

According to traditional Christian interpretation I'm going to hell after death. Could I give a damn about it? No, because I don't believe in hell.

When ever I hear a religious person or leader of a church say that a dead love one is in heaven now with God. I assume that they don't know what they are talking about and they are just trying to be comforting too the family.

The last i check I think there are only about 2-3 people who ascended to heaven (unless you are catholic then there are all those Saints). Everyone else has to wait till Judgment Day.

Now has this understanding of the Bible change.

162 Four More Tears  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:58:14pm

re: #157 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

In nomine Pasta, et Fettucini, et Spiritu Ziti

Ramen.

163 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:58:22pm

re: #154 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

From a secular point it doesn't make sense to pray, it doesn't make sense to baptize the living, etc. Yet these beliefs do exist, and people act on them.

Mormons believe that they give non-Mormons a chance to enter the Celestial Kingdom by these baptisms. So if one accepts the Mormon religious postulates, this makes sense - inside that framework.

I don't understand, and you are right, I don't need to understand.

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:58:36pm

re: #147 Kragar

Thats cool, my friends will all be there.

We'll have a partee!

165 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:00:09pm

re: #162 They're pants, essentially...

Ramen.

Bravo!

166 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:00:34pm

re: #164 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

We'll have a partee!

At the end of the Universe?

That would be cool.

167 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:01:03pm

How come God can't baptize the dead himself?

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:01:09pm

re: #161 The Yankee

When ever I hear a religious person or leader of a church say that a dead love one is in heaven now with God. I assume that they don't know what they are talking about and they are just trying to be comforting too the family.

The last i check I think there are only about 2-3 people who ascended to heaven (unless you are catholic then there are all those Saints). Everyone else has to wait till Judgment Day.

Now has this understanding of the Bible change.

No, I think the belief is that Jesus went to Limbo/Hell and "freed" the souls of various forefathers, starting from Adam, and since then "good" people or "saved" people go to heaven.

169 tomg51spence  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:02:00pm

Maybe there will be to a bidding war for me when I go. I can hope. Or pray.

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:02:01pm

re: #167 BongCrodny

How come God can't baptize the dead himself?

How come God needed to create anything in the first place?

171 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:02:12pm

re: #158 Kragar

I'd like to see Fischer attempt to throw a live grenade. The man would shit himself.

Lyudmila Pavlichenko would like to see him attempt that, too.

172 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:02:30pm

re: #166 ggt

At the end of the Universe?

That would be cool.

There's this little cafe there... you'll like it.

173 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:02:35pm

Well, my Dear Ole' Dad came in the mail today. Registered, had to sign for him.

Box is a little bigger than a kleenex box and he is heavy.

He is sitting on the dining room table wrapped in brown paper with USPS stickers all over him.

Kid and I hugged for a while.

Now we are having hard time not laughing.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:02:50pm

November 7th, 2008: Pat Robertson's thoughts on President Elect Obama and the future of Sarah Palin.

Youtube Video

I guess things have changed since then.

BONUS EAR CANDY: Soundbite of Palin saying she can't wait to get back to Alaska to continue serving the people. Heh.

175 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:03:01pm

re: #168 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

No, I think the belief is that Jesus went to Limbo/Hell and "freed" the sould of various forefathers, starting from Adam, and since then "good" people or "saved" people go to heaven.

Oh so that is the Mormon view, I actaully met the Christian view in general.

176 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:03:03pm

re: #171 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

Lyudmila Pavlichenko would like to see him attempt that, too.

I was thinking of Venus Williams.

177 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:03:52pm

re: #175 The Yankee

Oh so that is the Mormon view, I actaully met the Christian view in general.

No, that is Christian view.

178 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04:00pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

November 7th, 2008: Pat Robertson's thoughts on President Elect Obama and the future of Sarah Palin.

[Video]I guess things have changed since then.

BONUS EAR CANDY: Soundbite of Palin saying she can't wait to get back to Alaska to continue serving the people. Heh.

Then why did she buy a million dollar spread in Arizona?

179 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04:17pm
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....

...except when a religion wants a law.//

180 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04:17pm

re: #175 The Yankee

Oh so that is the Mormon view, I actaully met the Christian view in general.

I'm reasonably sure that is the general christian view. Pretty sure it's the Catholic one, and I don't know why they would have changed it in the middle ages when everybody started getting pissy at each other.

181 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04:43pm

re: #172 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

There's this little cafe there... you'll like it.

Fresh Coffee, cream and sugar?

My way to spend eternity!

182 Gus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:06:18pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of CPAC women...

Citizen's United presents "FIRE FROM THE HEARTLAND: The awakening of the Conservative Woman"

Starring Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phylis Schlafly, Dana Loesch, and more.

So when will Conservatives release their very own people's car?

183 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:06:39pm

re: #173 ggt

my condolences. I remember when we got my grandmother in a box. My folks set it down on the table and my mother said "touch the box it's still warm".

184 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:06:46pm

re: #170 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

How come God needed to create anything in the first place?

Boredom?

"I got coffee in my cup
I got man's best friend
Things start looking up
They shoot me down again
I hear a laugh like thunder
Ain't it sad to see
When Heaven needs a chuckle
They play a joke on me
I shoulda gone to church
I shoulda said my prayers
I'm a source of entertainment
To the Man upstairs."

-- John Eddie, "The Man Upstairs"

185 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:07:08pm

re: #173 ggt

Now we are having hard time not laughing.

You're probably going to hell too.

186 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:07:40pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

November 7th, 2008: Pat Robertson's thoughts on President Elect Obama and the future of Sarah Palin.

[Video]I guess things have changed since then.

BONUS EAR CANDY: Soundbite of Palin saying she can't wait to get back to Alaska to continue serving the people. Heh.

She got a job as a waitress?

187 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:07:52pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

BONUS EAR CANDY: Soundbite of Palin saying she can't wait to get back to Alaska to continue serving the people. Heh.

She got a job at McDonalds?

188 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:09:18pm

re: #178 ggt

Then why did she buy a million dollar spread in Arizona?

That's for when she runs for McCain's Senate Seat in 2014. And that stupid old fucker will probably endorse her.

189 darthstar  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:10:07pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

You're probably going to hell too.

Shit...I'd better leave early while there's still good parking available.

190 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:10:39pm

re: #188 darthstar

That's for when she runs for McCain's Senate Seat in 2014. And that stupid old fucker will probably endorse her.

If she wins that will be three years of hell.

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:10:43pm

re: #186 marjoriemoon

re: #187 Look At My New Grandbaby!

Nope. Above her 'pay grade'.

192 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:10:53pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

You're probably going to hell too.

It's not so bad.
Satan is a chickenshit.
;)

193 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:12:26pm

re: #163 ggt

I don't understand, and you are right, I don't need to understand.

Supposedly if you don't get baptized you go to hell irregardless of the life you lead. Even if you are a baby or still born baby. You go to hell. If you are Baptized then you could be a serial killer and go to heaven. Hitler could be in Heaven.

Unbaptized babies going to hell is a big deal it is what cause the Catholic church to create Limbo. Back in the day babies and mothers dying in birth was pretty common thing.

If you were not Baptized the right way you are probably going to Hell. And different religious sect Baptized differently. God doesn't give a shit about you attempting to do it, the road to hell is paved in good intentions......

The thing that bugs me is this is a really really big deal, it could be the difference between being on fire for ever and being extremely happy for ever and there isn't a ton of talk about it among Christians.

194 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:14:45pm

re: #180 erik_t

I'm reasonably sure that is the general christian view. Pretty sure it's the Catholic one, and I don't know why they would have changed it in the middle ages when everybody started getting pissy at each other.

Well, it's not a "general" view. Certainly there's the Final Judgment etc.
But a lot of Christians do literally believe that right after the death people do go either to heaven or hell. That depends on their interpretation of the Revelation.
So it's a Christian view, though not the Christian view.

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:14:50pm

I'm gonna swing by the library and see if I can borrow a copy of this to take with me when I report for jury duty.

196 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:15:53pm

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm gonna swing by the library and see if I can borrow a copy of this to take with me when I report for jury duty.

No, no, no.
Bring Mein Kampf.

197 erik_t  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:16:25pm

re: #193 The Yankee

Supposedly if you don't get baptized you go to hell irregardless of the life you lead. Even if you are a baby or still born baby. You go to hell. If you are Baptized then you could be a serial killer and go to heaven. Hitler could be in Heaven.

Unbaptized babies going to hell is a big deal it is what cause the Catholic church to create Limbo. Back in the day babies and mothers dying in birth was pretty common thing.

If you were not Baptized the right way you are probably going to Hell. And different religious sect Baptized differently. God doesn't give a shit about you attempting to do it, the road to hell is paved in good intentions...

The thing that bugs me is this is a really really big deal, it could be the difference between being on fire for ever and being extremely happy for ever and there isn't a ton of talk about it among Christians.

Limbo isn't formally part of Catholic teaching and I don't believe it ever has been. I have no idea where you've been getting your info on this, but it makes me look with some suspicion on anything else you write.

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:16:38pm

re: #194 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

For more on this see [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:17:15pm

re: #196 Varek Raith

Hey, I'm just looking for something to read while I'm there. I ain't looking to get stomped to death.

200 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:18:56pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, I'm just looking for something to read while I'm there. I ain't looking to get stomped to death.

Sigh, it's to get you out of jury duty.
Sheesh, don't you know how this works???
;)

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:19:07pm

re: #192 Varek Raith

It's not so bad.
Satan is a chickenshit.
;)

I'm pretty sure you'll oust him and become the evil overlord of hell.

202 Lidane  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:22:22pm
203 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:22:49pm

re: #197 erik_t

Limbo isn't formally part of Catholic teaching and I don't believe it ever has been. I have no idea where you've been getting your info on this, but it makes me look with some suspicion on anything else you write.

As I understand it (I think reine told me), Limbo is no more.

204 Archangelus  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:24:58pm

re: #157 Bishop Cornwallis Gobbletot

In nomine Pasta, et Fettucini, et Spiritu Ziti

Ramen.

205 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:28:37pm

re: #197 erik_t

Limbo isn't formally part of Catholic teaching and I don't believe it ever has been. I have no idea where you've been getting your info on this, but it makes me look with some suspicion on anything else you write.

You are right that it is not a formal part of the Catholic Church but even Martin Luther talk about it as if it were real. And many other Catholics in authority and other wise talk about it as if it were.

So what does the Catholic Church thinks officially happens to unbaptized babies that die?

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:29:18pm

re: #203 ggt

As I understand it (I think reine told me), Limbo is no more.

No more as in, abolished as a teaching, or abolished inside the Catholic theology?

I think Limbo's status is officially in limbo, pardon the pun ;)

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:29:49pm

re: #205 The Yankee

You are right that it is not a formal part of the Catholic Church but even Martin Luther talk about it as if it were real. And many other Catholics in authority and other wise talk about it as if it were.

So what does the Catholic Church thinks officially happens to unbaptized babies that die?

[Link: www.catholicculture.org...]

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:30:40pm

re: #44 celticdragon

I want to see if somebody can actually diagram that sentence.

It scans much better if you say that 'he would issue a mandate', and add a comma or two.

It doesn't become a great sentence, but it becomes a sentence.

209 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:31:04pm

re: #197 erik_t

Limbo isn't formally part of Catholic teaching and I don't believe it ever has been. I have no idea where you've been getting your info on this, but it makes me look with some suspicion on anything else you write.

Limbo was absolutely part of Catholic teaching (Baltimore Catechism) in the 1950's and earlier. In the last 30 years or so they changed it, in that unchanging way they have.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:33:27pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

I'm so confused. Wiesel isn't dead! And baptizing a dead body is just weird and gross!

Weisel is alive and complaining. I think it was Simon Weisenthal who was baptized.

I don't think they need the body, either, it's done...remotely.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:33:39pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

Catechisms can contain lots of unofficial stuff ;) It's not dogma till it's dogma.

212 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:35:06pm

re: #211 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Catechisms can contain lots of unofficial stuff ;) It's not dogma till it's dogma.

The BC had an imprimatur and nihil obstat. It was the doctrine as taught to millions of American kids.

213 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:38:46pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

The BC had an imprimatur and nihil obstat. It was the doctrine as taught to millions of American kids.

Yeah, I get that, but take the Catechism of the Council of Trent, certainly a much more venerable document both by age and authority. Yet it contained a now condemned teaching that ensoulment of an embryo does not happen immediately upon conception.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:38:58pm

re: #93 lawhawk

It's the specific act of baptizing those Jews who either died in the Holocaust or who had survived it; Jews who were targeted by the Nazis precisely because they were Jewish. Here, you've got a group of Mormons conducting baptisms (and it's called baptism by proxy) of Jews, including Simon Weisenthal.

Now, I haven't been following this, but didn't the LDS church say they were gonna knock this off, some time ago? There was a deal. Did some people not listen, or what?

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:40:08pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, I haven't been following this, but didn't the LDS church say they were gonna knock this off, some time ago? There was a deal. Did some people not listen, or what?

Yes, the official response says it was some rogue individual initiative.

216 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:40:51pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

The BC had an imprimatur and nihil obstat. It was the doctrine as taught to millions of American kids.

Including myself.

217 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:43:49pm

re: #207 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

[Link: www.catholicculture.org...]

I mad an attempt at reading it and around point number 4 I got lost and irritated. I went down to the last Paragraph hoping for a summery but got a statement that seemed to be aimed more towards Abortion then the question I was asking. I wonder if the entire site is like that.

218 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:44:06pm

re: #213 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Yeah, I get that, but take the Catechism of the Council of Trent, certainly a much more venerable document both by age and authority. Yet it contained a now condemned teaching that ensoulment of an embryo does not happen immediately upon conception.

Heh--more of that 'unchanging' doctrine I mentioned. Until Vat II, the Council of Trent pretty much defined the way business was done post Counter-reformation. (Visited the site of most of the meetings at Trento out of nostalgia. It would have been the Council of Vicenza (our town) except for a little plague/warfare problem.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:45:23pm

re: #215 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Yes, the official response says it was some rogue individual initiative.

Shit happens. It's offensive, and I'd like there to be a clear line drawn to get this to stop happening, but unless there's reason to believe it was sanctioned from the top...let's have a few sit-downs and figure out how to proceed.

Regardless, it's not Mitt Romney's problem, unless he's in charge of monitoring rogue baptizers in his spare time.

220 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:46:02pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

Heh--more of that 'unchanging' doctrine I mentioned. Until Vat II, the Council of Trent pretty much defined the way business was done in the Counter-reformation. (Visited the site of most of the meetings at Trento out of nostalgia. It would have been the Council of Vicenza (our town) except for a little plague/warfare problem.

When ever some one brings up Vat II I immediately think about DC comics and Crisis on Infinite Earth series. What is wrong with me?

221 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:47:02pm

re: #220 The Yankee

When ever some one brings up Vat II I immediately think about DC comics and Crisis on Infinite Earth series. What is wrong with me?

Can't help you there, way too old for that.

222 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:47:42pm

re: #220 The Yankee

Image: superpope.jpg

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:48:15pm

re: #217 The Yankee

I mad an attempt at reading it and around point number 4 I got lost and irritated. I went down to the last Paragraph hoping for a summery but got a statement that seemed to be aimed more towards Abortion then the question I was asking. I wonder if the entire site is like that.

Plz note that this is not the site's creation, but a document by the International Theological Commission. The conclusion is basically that no, we don't know if unbaptized infants are saved, since the only path to salvation ordained by God is through baptism. However, since God's own ordinances are not binding upon him, he may, hypothetically, choose to directly save someone without baptism. Thus there's a "prayerful hope" that God finds a way to save unbaptized infants, but no hard knowledge.

224 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:49:48pm

re: #223 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Plz note that this is not the site's creation, but a document by the International Theological Commission. The conclusion is basically that no, we don't know if unbaptized infants are safe, since the only path to salvation ordained by God is through baptism. However, since God's own ordinances are not binding upon him, he may, hypotheticall, choose to directly save someone without baptism. Thus there's a "prayerful hope" that God finds a way to save unbaptized infants, but no hard knowledge.

Thank you, did you read that?

225 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:50:04pm

re: #223 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Prayerful hope that god isn't an evil monster. Heh.

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:50:25pm

re: #224 The Yankee

Thank you, did you read that?

Skimmed.

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:50:50pm

re: #225 Obdicut

Prayerful hope that god isn't an evil monster. Heh.

Infinite punishment for finite crimes is monstrous anyway, so no luck on that front ;)

228 Lidane  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:53:29pm

Because really, this will totally appeal to independent voters:

Rick Santorum Wants to Fight ‘The Dangers Of Contraception’

229 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:54:02pm

re: #226 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Skimmed.

What they should of wrote was, we don't know what happens to these babies, but because of (this) we think and hope for (this)..

230 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:55:56pm

re: #223 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Plz note that this is not the site's creation, but a document by the International Theological Commission. The conclusion is basically that no, we don't know if unbaptized infants are safe, since the only path to salvation ordained by God is through baptism. However, since God's own ordinances are not binding upon him, he may, hypotheticall, choose to directly save someone without baptism. Thus there's a "prayerful hope" that God finds a way to save unbaptized infants, but no hard knowledge.

Though I didn't realize it as a kid, we were actually taught a Limbo (a) and Limbo (b). The first was to hold all the righteous of the Old Testament and pre-Christian worlds, emptied into Heaven when "He descended into Hell". Limbo (b) would be restocked by all the righteous pagans and innocent unbaptized from that point. When the Church backed off Limbo, they did create a vacuum.

231 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:56:24pm

re: #229 The Yankee

What they should of wrote was, we don't know what happens to these babies, but because of (this) we think and hope for (this)..

No, that's what catechism is for. A theological commission report is supposed to go through every jot and tittle.

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:57:43pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Though I didn't realize it as a kid, we were actually taught a Limb (a) and Limbo (b). The first was to hold all the righteous of the Old Testament and pre-Christian worlds, emptied into Heaven when "He descended into Hell". Limbo (b) would be restocked by all the righteous pagans and innocent unbaptized from that point. When the Church backed off Limbo, they did create a vacuum.

No vacuum. They just go to eternal melting pot from now on.

233 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:00:54pm

re: #232 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

No vacuum. They just go to eternal melting pot from now on.

Seems kind of cold. Here's my favorite example of sanctifying the just of the Old Testament, the church of Holy Moses (San Moise) in Venice. Very good ice cream under the awnings to the left.

Image: 2494339-San_Moise_Venice.jpg

234 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:01:02pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

When the Church backed off Limbo, they did create a vacuum.

That would be my definition of Hell. Me and a vacuum. Especially if it's not a Kirby.

235 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:04:51pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Seems kind of cold. Here's my favorite example of sanctifying the just of the Old Testament, the church of Holy Moses (San Moise) in Venice. Very good ice cream under the awnings to the left.

Image: 2494339-San_Moise_Venice.jpg

I loved Venice, but it was winter when I was there, so I didn't try the ice cream.

236 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:05:03pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Seems kind of cold. Here's my favorite example of sanctifying the just of the Old Testament, the church of Holy Moses (San Moise) in Venice. Very good ice cream under the awnings to the left.

Image: 2494339-San_Moise_Venice.jpg

Yes, "sanctification" of OT figures is an interesting phenomenon that I puzzled over for some time. In the Russian Orthodox Church you will often have frescoes of St. Moses. St. David, St. Solomon (despite how he supposedly ended his life), etc., etc. But you won't usually find them on icons, i.e. something to which people pray. OT saints are just not popular. With one big exception, St. Iliya (Elijah), who apparently took place of an older pagan god of thunder (though this is hypothetical).

237 The Yankee  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:05:37pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

*sigh*I am going to regret posting this...

Vacuums can be great if you are a guy.....

238 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:06:35pm

re: #237 The Yankee

*sigh*I am going to regret posting this...

Vacuums can be great if you are a guy...

Have fun in Hell, Yankee.

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:07:14pm

re: #237 The Yankee

*sigh*I am going to regret posting this...

Vacuums can be great if you are a guy...

That was ... random.

240 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:08:29pm

re: #236 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Yes, "sanctification" of OT figures is an interesting phenomenon that I puzzled over for some time. In the Russian Orthodox Church you will often have frescoes of St. Moses. St. David, St. Solomon (despite how he supposedly ended his life), etc., etc. But you won't usually find them on icons, i.e. something to which people pray. OT saints are just not popular. With one big exception, St. Iliya (Elijah), who apparently took place of an older pagan god of thunder (though this is hypothetical).

It went beyond OT in the West. There are medieval references to St Aristotle and St. Plato. All that's from the days when establishing a saint was far more folksy and less litigious than after Trent.

241 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:08:58pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

It went beyond OT in the West. There are medieval references to St Aristotle and St. Plato. All that's from the days when establishing a saint was far more folksy and less litigious than after Trent.

Some Eastern church has St. Pilate.

242 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:09:44pm

re: #241 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Some Eastern church has St. Pilate.

My favorite biblical cynic.

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:13:33pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

I tried to check that up... St. Plato was another Plato. Are you sure these refs are legit?

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:14:05pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

Sigh, it's to get you out of jury duty.
Sheesh, don't you know how this works???
;)

Heh. Getting stomped to death would certainly get me out of jury duty, but I think that might be a bit of an extreme solution.

245 Lidane  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:18:11pm

Caribou Barbie is a generous, giving soul:

[Link: thepage.time.com...]

246 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:19:51pm

re: #243 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

I tried to check that up... St. Plato was another Plato. Are you sure these refs are legit?

Might be able to look it up, though I remember it as artworks I've seen somewhere. Dante (not doctrinal) puts them in, you guessed it, Limbo. (From there they would enter Heaven eventually, having somehow missed the train on Good Friday.)

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:24:20pm

re: #245 Lidane

Topps needs to bring back the Garbage Pail Kids line of trading cards, with the first in the new series being "Failin' Palin".

248 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:26:32pm

re: #243 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

I tried to check that up... St. Plato was another Plato. Are you sure these refs are legit?

Ahh--reference in this discussion to images of the philosophers in fresco at the monastery at Mt. Athos. That's not where I saw them, though. Missed a shot at it by a few days while I was TDY to one of our bases in N. Greece.

[Link: forums.catholic.com...]

249 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:36:51pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Ahh--reference in this discussion to images of the philosophers in fresco at the monastery at Mt. Athos. That's not where I saw them, though. Missed a shot at it by a few days while I was TDY to one of our bases in N. Greece.

[Link: forums.catholic.com...]

Thanks. So it's not the West anyway ;) Also, I would discount this hearsay.

250 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:41:27pm

re: #249 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Thanks. So it's not the West anyway ;) Also, I would discount this hearsay.

Don't think anyone would bother faking a couple philospher-saints. What I remember was definitely in RC-land, probably Italy. Remember it also discussed in relation to their influence on Aquinas.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:44:27pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

You mean, this post is not your source? Then I guess it may be real, but in a sense in which some people today "sanctify" Rasputin or Grozny (Ivan the Terrible). I.e. neither official, nor popular.

252 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:47:13pm

re: #249 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Thanks. So it's not the West anyway ;) Also, I would discount this hearsay.

Note these would also be medieval "folk" saints, not the ones kept in the church calendar after Trent and the clean-up under John XXIII. It makes sense that they would be local heroes to the Orthodox and Catholics in Greece. (That discussion of the fate of Orthdox saints in the event of a reconciliation is quite funny in its way.)

253 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:51:31pm

re: #251 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

You mean, this post is not your source? Then I guess it may be real, but in a sense in which some people today "sanctify" Rasputin or Grozny (Ivan the Terrible). I.e. neither official, nor popular.

No, I'm remembering this from decades past. The possible sainthood (really only a recognition of salvation) of the pious non-Christians wasn't seen as a controversial idea at all in my RC seminary.

254 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:55:25pm

re: #251 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)

Don't know if I'd lay an eternal bet on the salvation of those two. I did see last week that one of the Eastern Churches is "canonizing" one of the heroes from the White Rose. I might put a small wager on that.

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:10:31pm

re: #101 Kragar

Misses their exit, starts backing up...

...driving a Subaru.

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:17:04pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

November 7th, 2008: Pat Robertson's thoughts on President Elect Obama and the future of Sarah Palin.

[Video]
I guess things have changed since then.

BONUS EAR CANDY: Soundbite of Palin saying she can't wait to get back to Alaska to continue serving the people. Heh.

Did she settle down and get a job at McDonald's?
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