As a practicing Roman Catholic and Sunday school teacher, Stephen Colbert is especially well-suited to this ruthlessly funny deconstruction of the birth control controversy.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:39:57pm |
He's a "practicing" RC??
Really? I thought for sure he was an atheist.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:40:10pm |
"A slippery...nay, a lubricated slope towards tyranny!"
I love Colbert. That was priceless.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:40:44pm |
re: #3 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Nope. He goes to Mass weekly and really does teach Sunday school. That's what makes this especially funny.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:45:26pm |
Is Bill Donohue losing it yet? Or is he still freaking about Nicki Minaj?
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Big Joe Ghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:48:13pm |
This is part of the Republican Platform of 2012, amazing.
Santorum says birth control is "harmful to women" and suggests married people don’t use it
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:49:24pm |
re: #8 I'd rather be sailing
This is part of the Republican Platform of 2012, amazing.
Santorum says birth control is "harmful to women" and suggests married people don’t use it
He's not the only one saying it:
Fox Panel: Liberals Support Birth Control to 'Get Rid of the Poor'
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:50:58pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Life just hasn't been as good for these people since we outlawed burning blasphemers at the stake.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:51:17pm |
re: #8 I'd rather be sailing
This is part of the Republican Platform of 2012, amazing.
Santorum says birth control is "harmful to women" and suggests married people don’t use it
Married people don't use contraception? Is he including married couples other than the ones in his head?
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:56:08pm |
Memo to GOP: Get the heck out of my bedroom and my house. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:58:42pm |
re: #8 I'd rather be sailing
This is part of the Republican Platform of 2012, amazing.
Santorum says birth control is "harmful to women" and suggests married people don’t use it
That one pisses me off. What of couples that have a high risk of some major problem? For some couples, having children is medically unwise or worse, potentially deadly. How the hell is birth control harmful?
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aagcobb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:59:37pm |
As I said downstairs I'm hoping that between Frothy winning Midwestern states and Newt winning in the South, Romney fails to get a majority of delegates, and we get a Frothy/Newt or Newt/Frothy ticket. Can you imagine the % of the women vote Obama would get running against the all theocrat Catholic ticket?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:59:46pm |
What Satan Has to Do With Whitney Houston's Death
Houston's voice was a gift from God and a gift to the world – a display of God's common grace, which theologian John Murray defined as "every favor of whatever kind or degree, falling short of salvation, which this undeserving and sin-cursed world enjoys at the hand of God."
When people begin tracing "back the path of joy," they will ultimately be directed to God who is the Giver of those gifts, Wax shared.
That's not exactly the path I was directed to by listening to Slayer. Maybe I'm just not listening right.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:00:56pm |
re: #13 Daniel Ballard
How the hell is birth control harmful?
Because you're being a selfish asshole when you use it and are cock-blocking God. That's how.
Colbert laid out the actual Catholic teaching on contraception. If you use it, you're denying God the ability to bless your sexual union with a baby. It just becomes an act of pleasure and not procreation. Ergo, it's harmful. Or something.
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:01:52pm |
re: #9 Lidane
He's not the only one saying it:
Fox Panel: Liberals Support Birth Control to 'Get Rid of the Poor'
So out of fucking touch. With their wives, for sure. They must laugh over cocktails about this?
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:02:50pm |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
Every so often with church leaders, you get head-spinning sentences like this one:
"...Whenever we see people in this world whose gifts inspire wonder, we are seeing signposts that point us to the God who loves the world enough to shower us with gifts of common grace, even as His greatest expression of love is demonstrated through the blood-drenched cross of His Son."
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docproto48 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:04:17pm |
New law:
Life begins at ovulation as soon as the ovum is separated from the follicle
Since the "egg" dies if it isn't fertalized anything preventing fertilization is killing....condoms, diaphragms, abstinence...
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:06:33pm |
re: #18 jaunte
Every so often with church leaders, you get head-spinning sentences like this one:
I'm holding back.
Religion of the best god vs. the shit that actually happens.
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aagcobb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:07:24pm |
re: #9 Lidane
He's not the only one saying it:
Fox Panel: Liberals Support Birth Control to 'Get Rid of the Poor'
Of course liberals want to get rid of the poor, because they gain the power they lust after by making lots of poor people dependent on government, er uh, DERP!
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:07:37pm |
re: #9 Lidane
He's not the only one saying it:
Fox Panel: Liberals Support Birth Control to 'Get Rid of the Poor'
Since that was posted downstairs, I've had a wingnut tell me that this new mandate is...wait for it...a backdoor attempt at eugenics. See, first we stop them from having so many kids, then limit the number of kids, which means they start aborting the "less desirable" kids, and voila, eugenics!
I had to read his whole long screed a couple times to get that much and I'm pretty sure I felt brain cells dying as I did so.
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:07:38pm |
Uh, when does Christie have that photogenic veto of same sex marriage?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:07:44pm |
Christine O’Donnell: ‘Door open’ to another run, spot in Romney administration
The Tea Party darling said she would also consider a hypothetical offer for a job in the Romney administration. She has endorsed the former Massachusetts governor in the GOP presidential primary.
“Well, who knows?” O’Donnell said. “I have to continue to help Gov. Romney in any way that I can. Whether or not I would actually work in the administration depends, again, on what role, on what capacity, and what else was going on in my own career at the time.”
The real question on the minds of Americans, which goes unanswered in the article, is whether or not she would turn Romney into a Newt.
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aagcobb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:08:42pm |
re: #19 docproto48
New law:
Life begins at ovulation as soon as the ovum is separated from the follicle
Since the "egg" dies if it isn't fertalized anything preventing fertilization is killing...condoms, diaphragms, abstinence...
Every sperm is sacred!
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engineer cat Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:08:52pm |
forcing priests to hand out condoms at mass
later tonight we will cover the transubstatiation aspect of this
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:09:26pm |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
Christine O’Donnell: ‘Door open’ to another run, spot in Romney administration
The real question on the minds of Americans, which goes unanswered in the article, is whether or not she would turn Romney into a Newt.
You notice how many of those on the GOP's "Least Wanted" list are lining up for jobs in the hypothetical Republican presidency they're sure will supplant Obama's? Palin, Cain, Trump, and now O'Donnell. It's a veritable "Who Cares?" of politics.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:09:57pm |
Oh no, they're saying mean things about me in the comments at Jeffrey Goldberg's post at The Atlantic: There's Racist Dog-Whistling, and Then There's... Racism - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - the Atlantic
Look, Johnson can rebrand himself all he wants, but it won't work for all but the cult-of-personality sycophants still remaining on his blog, or Leftists that chanced upon his recent material. However, the latter would be appalled if they knew of his Fox News Lite perspective pre-2009, which included everything from Photoshopping Arafat as a gibberish-talking grouper to enabling comments just as racist as those on Fox ("r a g h e a d", etc.), except they were towards Arabs/Muslims, so that was a-ok because it enabled Johnson to process his post-9/11 angst. Contents he's never ever disavowed, by the way, unless disavowing means picking a more Obama-friendly target and beating it to death.
I am disappointed Goldberg is getting information from someone so non-nuanced and ideologically inconsistent, no matter how valuable.
Nope. "R a g h e a d" and similar bigoted slurs were always unwelcome at LGF. People who used it had their comments deleted and if they continued, they were banned.
As for "disavowing" the extreme comments that did show up at LGF, I took responsibility for them, I cleaned them up, and I banned the people who were doing it. And I've put up with an enormous amount of shit from those people and the entire right wing blogosphere as a result.
Dues. We paid them.
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aagcobb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:10:02pm |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
Christine O’Donnell: ‘Door open’ to another run, spot in Romney administration
The real question on the minds of Americans, which goes unanswered in the article, is whether or not she would turn Romney into a Newt.
Obviously, she is a natural to head the Ministry of Magic.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:10:47pm |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
Her door has been open long enough for things to get drafty.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:11:07pm |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
The real question on the minds of Americans, which goes unanswered in the article, is whether or not she would turn Romney into a Newt.
:taps mic: Is this thing on?
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aagcobb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:12:35pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:14:40pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Some moonbats just can't let go.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:17:33pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
I am disappointed Goldberg is getting information from someone so non-nuanced and ideologically inconsistent, no matter how valuable.
ONOZ! Vee mast be PURE!
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freetoken Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:17:45pm |
I'm having a heck of a time getting my latest Page to work. For some reason the video embed tool won't recognize an script.
Sigh...
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:18:41pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Oh no, they're saying mean things about me in the comments at Jeffrey Goldberg's post at The Atlantic: There's Racist Dog-Whistling, and Then There's... Racism - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - the Atlantic
Nope. "R a g h e a d" and similar bigoted slurs were always unwelcome at LGF. People who used it had their comments deleted and if they continued, they were banned.
As for "disavowing" the extreme comments that did show up at LGF, I took responsibility for them, I cleaned them up, and I banned the people who were doing it. And I've put up with an enormous amount of shit from those people and the entire right wing blogosphere as a result.
Dues. We paid them.
Those crazy dumb Confederates can complain and squirm all they want. One fact remains and that's Fox News websites is and has been crawling with racist slime balls for years now.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:19:45pm |
re: #35 freetoken
I'm having a heck of a time getting my latest Page to work. For some reason the video embed tool won't recognize an script.
Sigh...
Videos that are embedded with a script tag won't work, sorry. Allowing script tags in Pages is a really bad idea for security reasons.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:20:34pm |
re: #8 I'd rather be sailing
This is part of the Republican Platform of 2012, amazing.
Santorum says birth control is "harmful to women" and suggests married people don’t use it
Is he this goddamn stupid? Yeah Rick married couples don't use birth control. That's why the average family still has the amount of kids they did in the past. Oh wait, they don't. Still amazes me that this guy has become the defacto GOP frontrunner.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:21:02pm |
North Dakota: terrorist hotbed. Who knew?
Santorum To North Dakota Voters: Terrorists 'Will Bother You'
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:23:03pm |
re: #40 Lidane
North Dakota: terrorist hotbed. Who knew?
Santorum To North Dakota Voters: Terrorists 'Will Bother You'
Image: 1999-fargo.jpg
I mean I know these guys are criminals but terrorists is a little harsh. Oh Frothy was serious, nevermind.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:23:13pm |
re: #36 Gus
Fox News website is and has been crawling with racist slime balls for years now.
I didn't see any of the LGF-has-changed whiners at the Atlantic comment thread ever addressing that point.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:23:30pm |
re: #38 Lidane
They accept moonbats within their ranks as well. The main litmus test is having a proper level of delusional hatred for Charles/LGF.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:24:18pm |
re: #43 jaunte
I didn't see any of the LGF-has-changed whiners at the Atlantic comment thread ever addressing that point.
It's just a bunch of MBFs about the Atlantic for the most part.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:24:22pm |
Watching Maddow talk about the Maine results right now. And some people want to tell me that photo IDs are what we need to fight voter fraud...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:24:40pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:24:43pm |
re: #41 Lidane
Yes. And he's the Republican front-runner.
It was a rhetorical question but Jesus Christ is he a dummy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:25:08pm |
re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth
They accept moonbats within their ranks as well. The main litmus test is having a proper level of delusional hatred for Charles/LGF.
ChenZhen is a lefty truther.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:25:09pm |
re: #39 HappyWarrior
Is he this goddamn stupid? Yeah Rick married couples don't use birth control. That's why the average family still has the amount of kids they did in the past. Oh wait, they don't. Still amazes me that this guy has become the defacto GOP frontrunner.
he is an expression of the republican party
as the GOP becomes more stupid, so do the people they vote for
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:25:18pm |
re: #43 jaunte
Someone did bring up "racism against Christians".
Christianity is not a race. Neither is Islam. Neither is Atheism. Neither is...
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:25:39pm |
re: #51 windupbird is in the gravity well
he is an expression of the republican party
as the GOP becomes more stupid, so do the people they vote for
I'm aware.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:26:12pm |
re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth
Someone did bring up "racism against Christians".
Christianity is not a race. Neither is Islam. Neither is Atheism. Neither is...
Well in wingnut world:
Christian- white, Muslim- arab, problem solved.
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freetoken Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:26:16pm |
re: #37 Charles Johnson
Videos that are embedded with a script tag won't work, sorry. Allowing script tags in Pages is a really bad idea for security reasons.
Ok.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:27:34pm |
re: #54 HappyWarrior
Well in wingnut world:
Christian- white, Muslim- arab, problem solved.
That's not garden variety wingnutty. That's white nationalist wingnutty.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:27:40pm |
re: #50 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
ChenZhen is a lefty truther.
I don't think he's a truther. He's a lefty and a douchebag but let's not slander people with the truther label when it doesn't apply.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:28:26pm |
re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth
That's not garden variety wingnutty. That's white nationalist wingnutty.
Eh, wasn't that crazy lady that McCain shouted down suggesting Obama was an Arab and Muslim or some crap like that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:28:33pm |
re: #50 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
ChenZhen is a lefty truther.
"Moonbat" just rolls of the tongue more smoothly.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:28:36pm |
Poll: Half of Voters Back Iran Strike
According to the poll, published last week in The Hill, a newspaper that specializes in Congress, 49 percent of respondents stated that the United States should use military force, while 31 percent said the United States should not use military force and 20 percent of respondents were unsure of a course of action.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:28:49pm |
Most of them are a product of al Qaeda and bin Laden. The crazy it burns.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:30:45pm |
re: #58 HappyWarrior
Eh, wasn't that crazy lady that McCain shouted down suggesting Obama was an Arab and Muslim or some crap like that.
Yeah. She's probably is a white nationalist type too.
I guess my point is, the garden variety christian wingnut will accept other christian wingnuts without regard to race.
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BongCrodny Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:31:43pm |
re: #9 Lidane
He's not the only one saying it:
Fox Panel: Liberals Support Birth Control to 'Get Rid of the Poor'
But the poor are supposed to be our base, so getting rid of the poor would....uh...
My head hurts.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:32:00pm |
re: #57 Killgore Trout
I don't think he's a truther. He's a lefty and a douchebag but let's not slander people with the truther label when it doesn't apply.
Ah, the famous detective skills.
10) Speaking of 9/11, do you think that there was a big government conspiracy behind it or was Bush just being incompetent?
I don’t think Bush was personally behind 9/11 (for the record). The longer he’s been the pres, the longer it appears that he’s nothing more than a privlidged stooge with a big political name. If it was anyone in the gov., it would have been with the PNAC chesspieces. Cheney, Libby, …alll those guys. I do find it very suspicious the neo-cons were talking about ‘new pearl harbor’ a year before 9/11. I’m not ready to buy into ‘bombs in the WTC’ yet, but it could have been a very departmentalized operation and probably more of a ‘let it happen’ scenario. Bush is totally incompetent though LOL ….they’ve proven that all they’re good at is winning elections. The rest of us are screwed
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docproto48 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:32:23pm |
re: #51 windupbird is in the gravity well
he is an expression of the republican party
as the GOP becomes more stupid, so do the people they vote for
no wonder they want to do away with the education department
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:32:42pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I remember when half or more backed invading Iraq. Funny how those numbers crashed when folks realized it wasn't gonna all be over in a few months.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:32:46pm |
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freetoken Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:33:52pm |
Well, it's up:
Alabama Legislator Galliher To Bring Public School Students To Creationism
10 days old, news story wise, but an important story to tell in light of the current eruption of GOP religion-based politics.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:34:06pm |
re: #64 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Ah, the famous detective skills.
Nice, Link? I'll happily stand corrected.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:34:23pm |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah. She's probably is a white nationalist type too.
I guess my point is, the garden variety christian wingnut will accept other christian wingnuts without regard to race.
Oh yeah probably. I am just saying. I see that attitude alot and I think it's really common in wingnut circles. Hell there was one guy, an Arab American Christian Republican who won only a close margin here because of his background.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:34:33pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
I doubt many that are in favor are familiar with geography and how it factors in to such operations.
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Kragar Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:34:39pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice
Yeah, I remember when half or more backed invading Iraq. Funny how those numbers crashed when folks realized it wasn't gonna all be over in a few months.
People went into WWI thinking the whole thing would blow over in a few weeks.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:35:37pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:35:46pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Oh no, they're saying mean things about me in the comments at Jeffrey Goldberg's post at The Atlantic: There's Racist Dog-Whistling, and Then There's... Racism - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - the Atlantic
Nope. "R a g h e a d" and similar bigoted slurs were always unwelcome at LGF. People who used it had their comments deleted and if they continued, they were banned.
As for "disavowing" the extreme comments that did show up at LGF, I took responsibility for them, I cleaned them up, and I banned the people who were doing it. And I've put up with an enormous amount of shit from those people and the entire right wing blogosphere as a result.
Dues. We paid them.
Too bad that's too long to tweet.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:35:53pm |
re: #72 Kragar
Are you pulling my leg?
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:35:59pm |
re: #68 freetoken
Well, it's up:
Alabama Legislator Galliher To Bring Public School Students To Creationism
10 days old, news story wise, but an important story to tell in light of the current eruption of GOP religion-based politics.
Welcome to Murica!
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:36:02pm |
re: #72 Kragar
People went into WWI thinking the whole thing would blow over in a few weeks.
On an added note to that, everyone who thinks a war will be quick and easy should read WWI letters from the soldiers there. Doesn't matter if they're British, French, German, Russia, Austrian, whatever. I read some German ones when I took German history last year and it was just amazing to see the changes in mindset.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:36:38pm |
re: #72 Kragar
People went into WWI thinking the whole thing would blow over in a few weeks.
There were spectators having picnics to watch the First Battle of Bull Run.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:36:48pm |
re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth
I doubt many that are in favor are familiar with geography and how it factors in to such operations.
I was looking into some of the sanction ideas being kicked around such as kicking Iran out of SWIFT (an international banking system). It looks dangerous to the global economy as well. I have no idea how this is going to play out. I just hope we make the right choice.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:36:56pm |
re: #78 Gus
;)
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darthstar Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:37:40pm |
Heh...40% of Sarah Palin's children don't understand contraception either.
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BongCrodny Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:38:07pm |
re: #67 Lidane
And I'm suddenly reminded of George Carlin talking about stupid people:
[Video]
I go with this one, at 0:58:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:38:10pm |
re: #77 HappyWarrior
I think Desert Storm + a culture if instant gratification has fooled a good deal of people into thinking that every thing, including wars, should be quick and easy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:38:31pm |
Yeah, I would totally just make shit up. I'm just like that.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:39:24pm |
re: #86 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Yeah, I would totally just make shit up. I'm just like that.
Yeah. But how do we know you're not really Killgore as well? Hmmmm?
//
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:39:47pm |
re: #73 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
His "About" page.
That's not exactly a link but I'll take your word for it. I stand corrected.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:39:53pm |
re: #88 Gus
Yeah. But how do we know you're not really Killgore as well? Hmmm?
//
Hmm. Only Charles knows. But what if...
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:39:55pm |
re: #85 Slumbering Behemoth
I think Desert Storm + a culture if instant gratification has fooled a good deal of people into thinking that every thing, including wars, should be quick and easy.
I think you're right about that and this is coming from someone whose first war he remembers is Desert Storm. But I read a lot of history also. Really, it was amazing for me to see my classmates who my sophomore year of high school suggested even nuking Iraq turn into Ron Paul like people on foreign policy because the war wasn't easy. Now, I am glad they learned their lesson but the lesson isn't to go from one extreme to another.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:40:06pm |
re: #77 HappyWarrior
On an added note to that, everyone who thinks a war will be quick and easy should read WWI letters from the soldiers there. Doesn't matter if they're British, French, German, Russia, Austrian, whatever. I read some German ones when I took German history last year and it was just amazing to see the changes in mindset.
We had to read All Quiet on the Western Front in high school, which was a rather sobering assignment. Particularly towards the end, as the cynicism and disgust takes hold on the characters. I look at the incidents happening now in Afghanistan and previously in Iraq and begin to understand part of the motivation. All we back home see is one big war game, flipping past casualty reports and failing battles to get to the sports section of our local newspapers.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:40:44pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
That's not exactly a link but I'll take your word for it. I stand corrected.
Yeah, like I would link to a blog belonging to a stalker. Also, the phrase is googlable.
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Kragar Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:41:12pm |
re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth
Are you pulling my leg?
Nope. Amazing devices like the machine gun and ballistic artillery were supposed to make acts of warfare be completed in record time.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:41:48pm |
re: #92 Targetpractice
We had to read All Quiet on the Western Front in high school, which was a rather sobering assignment. Particularly towards the end, as the cynicism and disgust takes hold on the characters. I look at the incidents happening now in Afghanistan and previously in Iraq and begin to understand part of the motivation. All we back home see is one big war game, flipping past casualty reports and failing battles to get to the sports section of our local newspapers.
That's one of my all time favorite novels. I read it the summer before we went into Iraq actually. The beauty of it to me is one forgets that Paul and his fellow soldiers are from a country that was our enemy during the war but you lose all sense of nationality. And I think that was Remarque's brilliance and I think that's why the Nazis hated that book so much. Anti-War message obviously aside.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:41:59pm |
re: #94 Kragar
Nope. Amazing devices like the machine gun and ballistic artillery were supposed to make acts of warfare be completed in record time.
"Home in time for Christmas" seems to be a motto that follows every war.
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Petero1818 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:43:10pm |
re: #18 jaunte
Every so often with church leaders, you get head-spinning sentences like this one:
Yes, great singers and painters, a little godly love. Death on a cross, lots o love. Not be blaspheme or anything, but if I had the choice, I think this is one instance where a little is somehow more than a lot.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:43:14pm |
re: #93 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Yeah, like I would link to the blog belonging to a stalker. Also, the phrase is googlable.
Ok, I'll assume you're correct. I don't really know or care what he thinks about anything. I assumed you were being careless with the truther allegation. I apologize.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:43:42pm |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
Forgotten.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:43:44pm |
re: #94 Kragar
Nope. Amazing devices like the machine gun and ballistic artillery were supposed to make acts of warfare be completed in record time.
Heh. Some of their inventors even thought their creations would make war obsolete.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:45:50pm |
"He fell in October 1918, on a day that was so quiet and still on the whole front, that the army report confined itself to the single sentence: All quiet on the Western Front. He had fallen forward and lay on the earth as though sleeping. Turning him over one saw that he could not have suffered long; his face had an expression of calm, as though almost glad the end had come."
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:45:52pm |
So yeah. Contraception. If it's against your religion just don't use* contraception and shut the fuck up already.
Thanks.
*STD stuff no withstanding.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:46:01pm |
Wow watching Maddow Right now, Scott Walker is taking money that should be used to pay back those who were illegal foreclosed on to balance his budget since it turns tax cuts don't pay for themselves.
That man really is scum.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:46:35pm |
re: #103 jamesfirecat
Wow watching Maddow Right now, Scott Walker is taking money that should be used to pay back those who were illegal foreclosed on to balance his budget since it turns tax cuts pay for themselves.
That man really is scum.
He really is. Fucking Koch lackey.
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Kragar Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:47:00pm |
re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. Some of their inventors even thought their creations would make war obsolete.
"Only a mad man would... why are they charging?"
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:48:14pm |
re: #102 Gus
Personally, I think it's hilarious that the Republicans have decided to fight about contraception and to turn the Violence Against Women Act into a partisan issue, and both of them in an election year.
They're fucking stupid if they think that's going to go well for them.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:49:46pm |
re: #104 HappyWarrior
He really is. Fucking Koch lackey.
He's also not the only governor using that money for other things:
Missouri Becomes Second State To Divert Foreclosure Funds Away From Homeowners To Balance Its Budget
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:49:57pm |
re: #102 Gus
So yeah. Contraception. If it's against your religion just don't use* contraception and shut the fuck up already.
Thanks.
*STD stuff no withstanding.
I think STDs are supposed to fall under the "Gift From God" category, but I could be wrong. I'll get back to you after I confab with R. Santorum.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:50:43pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
I think STDs are supposed to fall under the "Gift From God" category, but I could be wrong. I'll get back to you after I confab with R. Santorum.
Nah. You're thinking about pregnancy that results from rape.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:50:47pm |
re: #107 Lidane
He's also not the only governor using that money for other things:
Missouri Becomes Second State To Divert Foreclosure Funds Away From Homeowners To Balance Its Budget
well it's true, assholishness is bipartisan. Seriously if I were one of those homeowners, I'd be goddamn pissed.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:50:50pm |
re: #106 Lidane
Personally, I think it's hilarious that the Republicans have decided to fight about contraception and to turn the Violence Against Women Act into a partisan issue, and both of them in an election year.
They're fucking stupid if they think that's going to go well for them.
I hope and they deserve to get crushed come November. However, given what America is like out there once you're beyond city limits there's no telling what can happen.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:52:13pm |
re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. Some of their inventors even thought their creations would make war obsolete.
Dr. Gatling invented the gun that still carries his name because disease was the biggest killer on the battlefields of his time, and so thought that such guns would reduce the size of militaries in future wars.
Hiram Maxim claimed that the inspiration for his gun came from an American who said the most money to be made was in inventing a machine that would allow the Europeans to kill each other with greater efficiency.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:53:40pm |
re: #109 Lidane
Nah. You're thinking about pregnancy that results from rape.
///
Yeah, but some STDs are colloquially refereed to as the "gift that keeps on giving", so I'm not sure where it lands on the scale of God's gifts.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:54:03pm |
re: #112 Targetpractice
Dr. Gatling invented the gun that still carries his name because disease was the biggest killer on the battlefields of his time, and so thought that such guns would reduce the size of militaries in future wars.
Hiram Maxim claimed that the inspiration for his gun came from an American who said the most money to be made was in inventing a machine that would allow the Europeans to kill each other with greater efficiency.
To go with that theme, Dr. Guillotine invented his machine for humanitarian reasons.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:54:10pm |
re: #107 Lidane
He's also not the only governor using that money for other things:
Missouri Becomes Second State To Divert Foreclosure Funds Away From Homeowners To Balance Its Budget
Nothing new there. They're just following in the precedent they set with the tobacco settlement payouts that got turned into all-purpose budget fixers.
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:54:30pm |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
Ok, I'll assume you're correct. I don't really know or care what he thinks about anything. I assumed you were being careless with the truther allegation. I apologize.
Killgore, you have said this statement quite a few times lately.
What the hell are we supposed to read your comments as?
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:55:25pm |
re: #114 HappyWarrior
To go with that theme, Dr. Guillotine invented his machine for humanitarian reasons.
He meant it as a less-painful form of execution, when the method of the day was beheading with an axe. Ended up regretting ever inventing it when it became the symbol of the "Great Terror."
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engineer cat Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:55:26pm |
the republican party is not intended to be a factual statement
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:57:03pm |
re: #117 Targetpractice
He meant it as a less-painful form of execution, when the method of the day was beheading with an axe. Ended up regretting ever inventing it when it became the symbol of the "Great Terror."
There's a legend I know untrue that he ended up dying from his machine himself. Wouldn't been the first or the last.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:57:22pm |
Surfing through tv channels, I just passed by Fox News, and heard Sean Hannity say the phrase "playing the race card" three times in the space of about 20 seconds.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:58:41pm |
re: #120 jaunte
All I hear is buzzing and clicks, how did you make that out?
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 6:59:43pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
I think STDs are supposed to fall under the "Gift From God" category, but I could be wrong. I'll get back to you after I confab with R. Santorum.
Ya, like childhood leukemia.
I hate the absolute falseness of religion.
blah
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:01:33pm |
re: #122 Lidane
The Republican front-runner:
Taking that with a grain of salt, but if true, then the fact that the man is the GOP's front-runner in 2012 should shock the shit out of even the most disinterested amongst us.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:01:48pm |
re: #120 jaunte
Surfing through tv channels, I just passed by Fox News, and heard Sean Hannity say the phrase "playing the race card" three times in the space of about 20 seconds.
Sean Hannity? The man is a genius!
//
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:02:04pm |
re: #122 Lidane
The Republican front-runner:
No way. Are there any other sources you've come across?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:02:43pm |
I think being Rick Santorum is a mental disorder, I mean this guy actually thinks he should be president. Seriously, Rick, go back to the 19th century where you belong please.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:02:46pm |
re: #122 Lidane
The Republican front-runner:
I don't think that's a genuine quote. I'm sensing satire.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:03:11pm |
re: #130 Charles Johnson
I don't think that's a genuine quote. I'm sensing satire.
Yeah. That's like an Onion site.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:03:14pm |
re: #123 Grifter USA
Ya, like childhood leukemia.
I hate the absolute falseness of religion.
blah
Part of the reason I ended up abandoning organized religion is because I completely failed to wrap my head around the concept a "loving, caring" deity would choose to give people, especially children, horrible diseases.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:03:19pm |
re: #122 Lidane
That's clearly satire. Not that I doubt he thinks that way to a great degree.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:03:42pm |
re: #119 HappyWarrior
There's a legend I know untrue that he ended up dying from his machine himself. Wouldn't been the first or the last.
Joseph-Ignace Guillotin died of natural causes, however another person with the same last name was executed during the Reign of Terror hence the myth.
Guillotin was actually a humanitarian and against the death penalty, or and he didn't even invent the decapitation machine that bears his name.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:03:59pm |
re: #130 Charles Johnson
Most likely, yes. But his policies might as well treat women like imbeciles.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:04:15pm |
re: #122 Lidane
The Republican front-runner:
Santorum is clueless. Here's he earlier:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:04:30pm |
re: #134 Look At My New Grandbaby!
Joseph-Ignace Guillotin died of natural causes, however another person with the same last name was executed during the Reign of Terror hence the myth.
Guillotin was actually a humanitarian and against the death penalty, or and he didn't even invent the decapitation machine that bears his name.
Ah didn't know this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:05:27pm |
re: #3 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
He's a "practicing" RC??
Really? I thought for sure he was an atheist.
No, he's very devout, from everything I've heard about him.
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:05:32pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:05:36pm |
Yeah, looking at the other stories on the sidebar makes it pretty clear that it was satire. Not particularly good satire, I think.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:05:50pm |
re: #122 Lidane
The Republican front-runner:
He wouldn't say such things out loud; he's much too chivalrous.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:06:05pm |
re: #135 Lidane
Most likely, yes. But his policies might as well treat women like imbeciles.
That speech reads like something I've read from more "religiously" inclined wingnuts I've run into in recent years. Funny thing is, most of them are Ron Paul supporters.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:06:48pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
No, he's very devout, from everything I've heard about him.
Colbert is the real deal. Very much a Catholic, but a modern one. He goes to church, teaches Sunday school, and skewers the bishops when they're being idiots.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:06:49pm |
re: #141 They're pants, essentially...
Thing is, it sounds like something he would say. The Republicans have passed through Poe's Law. They are now a parody of themselves.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:06:51pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice
Yeah, I remember when half or more backed invading Iraq. Funny how those numbers crashed when folks realized it wasn't gonna all be over in a few months.
I am under no illusions that a war with Iran would be over in a few weeks or months. But I am more concerned with the type of war that would be over in minutes. The ignition of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East would put us at mere seconds to midnight.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:07:10pm |
re: #114 HappyWarrior
To go with that theme, Dr. Guillotine invented his machine for humanitarian reasons.
"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking... the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
Albert Einstein
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:07:13pm |
re: #142 jaunte
He wouldn't say such things out loud; he's much too
chivalrouschurlish.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:07:19pm |
re: #143 Targetpractice
That speech reads like something I've read from more "religiously" inclined wingnuts I've run into in recent years. Funny thing is, most of them are Ron Paul supporters.
Well it actually makes sense given that Paul's a nut on religious issues himself. Hence why I laugh at all the stupid secular Paul supporters who think Paul gives a damn their right to live in a secular society.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:07:32pm |
re: #13 Daniel Ballard
That one pisses me off. What of couples that have a high risk of some major problem? For some couples, having children is medically unwise or worse, potentially deadly. How the hell is birth control harmful?
There are some bad potential side effects to long-term use of hormonal birth control.
There are also bad potential side effects to year-in-year-out childbearing.
Santorum only acknowledges one as having health ramifications.
Of course, you can also die from condom use, if you choke on one.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:09:03pm |
re: #147 Tigger2005
I am under no illusions that a war with Iran would be over in a few weeks or months. But I am more concerned with the type of war that would be over in minutes. The ignition of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East would put us at mere seconds to midnight.
And the bombs that Israel claims it isn't sitting on, they're not part of this arms race?
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:09:47pm |
re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist
Didn't the Duggars, one of Santorum's supporters, recently have a miscarriage because of too many kids?
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:10:01pm |
The Tea Party’s war on mass transit
In the week since House Republicans introduced their proposed transportation bill, one thing has become clear: It has virtually nothing to do with fiscal responsibility.
The Tea Party soared to power on the notion that it was the antidote to wasteful government spending. It’s now clear that reigniting the culture wars was a top priority, too. From guns to abortion, the extremist wing of the Republican Party has fought to turn back the clock on many socially progressive ideals.
Mass transit is its newest target.
“Federal transportation and infrastructure policy has traditionally been an area of strong bipartisan agreement,” says Aaron Naparstek, a Loeb Fellow at Harvard University’s Graduate School of Design and founder of Streetsblog.org. “Now, it seems, Republicans want to turn cities into a part of the culture wars. Now it’s abortion, gay marriage and subways.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:10:27pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Oh no, they're saying mean things about me in the comments at Jeffrey Goldberg's post at The Atlantic: There's Racist Dog-Whistling, and Then There's... Racism - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - the Atlantic
Nope. "R a g h e a d" and similar bigoted slurs were always unwelcome at LGF. People who used it had their comments deleted and if they continued, they were banned.
As for "disavowing" the extreme comments that did show up at LGF, I took responsibility for them, I cleaned them up, and I banned the people who were doing it. And I've put up with an enormous amount of shit from those people and the entire right wing blogosphere as a result.
Dues. We paid them.
Goldberg just started opening comments at the Atlantic. So far, he's got some good folks, but he also has an annoying number whose entire role is to a. discredit Goldberg, and b. pop up every ten seconds and yell "Define pro-Israel! Define anti-Israel! I want links! What anti-Semitism? Why can't I say Israel-firster?!"
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:10:38pm |
re: #147 Tigger2005
I am under no illusions that a war with Iran would be over in a few weeks or months.
Attacking Iran would be a colossal mistake. It would easily be the catalyst for WW3, since both Russia and China are allied with Iran and would surely intervene to defend them if we were stupid enough to invade.
I can't believe people are dumb enough to want war with Iran after almost a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan. WTF? Do they think it's going to be a cakewalk or something?
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:11:21pm |
re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, you can also die from condom use, if you choke on one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:11:34pm |
re: #39 HappyWarrior
Is he this goddamn stupid? Yeah Rick married couples don't use birth control. That's why the average family still has the amount of kids they did in the past. Oh wait, they don't. Still amazes me that this guy has become the defacto GOP frontrunner.
The tragic decline in fertility among Irish-, Italian- and Polish-Americans over the past fifty years has scientists shaking their heads in sorrowful puzzlement.
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:11:50pm |
re: #156 ProGunLiberal
Didn't the Duggars, one of Santorum's supporters, recently have a miscarriage because of too many kids?
And they want to try again, risks be damned, IIRC.
There's no logic in the Quiverfull mentality in today's modern world, other than a religious statement.
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Shvaughn Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:11:51pm |
re: #116 Grifter USA
Killgore, you have said this statement quite a few times lately.
What the hell are we supposed to read your comments as?
I think his comments are meant to be knee-jerk contrarianism. When he just doesn't know the facts, he assumes someone is lying, especially if they're identifiably liberal. (C.f. his comments during the Komen/PP battle.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:12:14pm |
Okay, the next time I find myself in a relationship that I want to end in a spectacular disaster, I'm doing this.
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:12:16pm |
re: #156 ProGunLiberal
Didn't the Duggars, one of Santorum's supporters, recently have a miscarriage because of too many kids?
the 19th or 20th died. It was actually pitiful. the publicized it. It was not meant to be.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:12:29pm |
re: #58 HappyWarrior
Eh, wasn't that crazy lady that McCain shouted down suggesting Obama was an Arab and Muslim or some crap like that.
McCain didn't yell at her. He was very gentle.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:12:33pm |
Ask your average American how big Iran is. I doubt many know it's three times as big as Iraq. Everyone seems to think war is a great idea until you have to win the peace. I don't know who it was, I think it was a general or statesman that said making war is the easy part but it's winning the peace that is difficult. I am sure many have said it but that's damn true especially when you look at Iraq.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:12:39pm |
This has to be some of the most backwards Republicans in modern history. The amazing fact here is that it's the 21st century and we still have so many backwards citizens and now many of them are sitting in the halls of congress.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:14:04pm |
re: #162 talon_262
And they want to try again, risks be damned, IIRC.
There's no logic in the Quiverfull mentality in today's modern world, other than a religious statement.
No, that's not enitirely true. It's a function of evolution. Their genes will spread far and wide most likely.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:14:22pm |
re: #167 HappyWarrior
This was the only thing I agreed with Cain on. He said people need to get a map out and check out Iran before we think about attacking them.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:14:44pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
The tragic decline in fertility among Irish-, Italian- and Polish-Americans over the past fifty years has scientists shaking their heads in sorrowful puzzlement.
Ha this is so true considering my own family's experiences. I have to say though I think by the early 60's more Catholics were embracing BC than in the past. My mom's parents are pretty devout yet it was only her and her brother.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:15:09pm |
Imvading Iran would be suicide because it's not flat...
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:15:12pm |
re: #165 Grifter USA
the 19th or 20th died. It was actually pitiful. the publicized it. It was not meant to be.
Actually, their 21st (they had a miscarriage on their 2nd child, IIRC).
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:15:33pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:16:23pm |
re: #169 They're pants, essentially...
No, that's not enitirely true. It's a function of evolution. Their genes will spread far and wide most likely.
Let's hope their progeny gets away from what their parents are doing, otherwise the derp will spread far and wide too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:16:26pm |
Iran-Latin América links drawing attention
Latin América rarely comes up as a major issue in U.S. presidential races, but this time it will: There are growing signs that Iran's rising presence in the region will become a contentious election topic.
Republican hopeful Mitt Romney and leading Republicans in Congress are stepping up their attacks on President Barack Obama for allegedly not doing enough to stop what they see as Iran's intention to use Latin América as a launching pad for terrorist attacks against the United States.
The issue is drawing growing attention in Washington. On Thursday, as Iran launched its own region-wide Spanish-language TV network in Latin America -- a follow-up to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's fifth visit to the region in as many years -- the Republican-controlled House Foreign Affairs Committee held hearings about 'Iran's agenda in the Western Hemisphere.'
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:16:38pm |
Hmm. I didn't know this was allowed in Pakistan:
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:16:56pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
The tragic decline in fertility among Irish-, Italian- and Polish-Americans over the past fifty years has scientists shaking their heads in sorrowful puzzlement.
I have single handedly been maintaining the fertility rate for Jewish-Americans, however even I retired, and passed the baton (so to speak) on to the next generation.
I think my oldest daughter has also retired now that she has become a health care professional.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:17:08pm |
re: #77 HappyWarrior
On an added note to that, everyone who thinks a war will be quick and easy should read WWI letters from the soldiers there. Doesn't matter if they're British, French, German, Russia, Austrian, whatever. I read some German ones when I took German history last year and it was just amazing to see the changes in mindset.
You mean they survived the Great War, 1914-1917?
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:17:11pm |
re: #177 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Hmm. I didn't know this was allowed in Pakistan:
Uhm...er...I'll be in my bunk...
//
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:17:17pm |
re: #174 jaunte
LOLGOP @LOLGOP
If you want to prevent abortions, you make sure everyone has health care, a high school education and birth control. Not the exact opposite.
See the three things you suggest are socialism and bad. But yeah this is why I hate the pro life political groups. They ally with the party that offers no solutions to the situations that force many women especially poor ones to choose to get abortions in the first place. They think just saying NO ABORTION will solve the problem just like the abstinence only idiots with teen sex.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:17:55pm |
re: #175 talon_262
Let's hope their progeny gets away from what their parents are doing, otherwise the derp will spread far and wide too.
Well it's a useful trait for humans to have when there aren't so many of us. At 7 billion I think were pretty safe from dying out from there being too few...
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:19:13pm |
re: #177 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Hmm. I didn't know this was allowed in Pakistan:
o.O
So what have you been lookin' at?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:19:42pm |
re: #156 ProGunLiberal
Didn't the Duggars, one of Santorum's supporters, recently have a miscarriage because of too many kids?
Hard to say it was because of the number of children. Miscarriages happen, and they had another early in their marriage, which they appear to believe was due to their having used contraception early in their marriage.
I do think that Michelle's fertility, which is pretty impressive, is starting to wind down.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:20:14pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:20:28pm |
re: #183 They're pants, essentially...
o.O
So what have you been lookin' at?
Aw fuck. Did Sergey hack my desktop?
/
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:20:32pm |
re: #181 HappyWarrior
See the three things you suggest are socialism and bad. But yeah this is why I hate the pro life political groups. They ally with the party that offers no solutions to the situations that force many women especially poor ones to choose to get abortions in the first place. They think just saying NO ABORTION will solve the problem just like the abstinence only idiots with teen sex.
Having listened to more than one of their wingnut followers, they seem to believe that the problem is that poor aren't getting married enough, aren't working hard enough, and aren't praying hard enough. Because they know that the rich do all three and that's why they're rich.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:20:59pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
I think STDs are supposed to fall under the "Gift From God" category, but I could be wrong. I'll get back to you after I confab with R. Santorum.
Well God had to come up with something for the areas too cold for the malaria carrying mosquitoes to breed in.
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:21:00pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
This was the only thing I agreed with Cain on. He said people need to get a map out and check out Iran before we think about attacking them.
True, although I think if you asked him why, the answer would be fairly goofy.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:21:26pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
This was the only thing I agreed with Cain on. He said people need to get a map out and check out Iran before we think about attacking them.
Get a map and see where the hell it is, and also see that it's a lot bigger than Iraq. It wouldn't be a walk in the park to invade it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:21:35pm |
re: #178 Look At My New Grandbaby!
I have single handedly been maintaining the fertility rate for Jewish-Americans, however even I retired, and passed the baton (so to speak) on to the next generation.
I think my oldest daughter has also retired now that she has become a health care professional.
How many has she got?
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Petero1818 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:22:13pm |
The joke of this entire Iran discussion is that Iran has been trying to obtain Nukes for 20 years. It is well documented, and they have made attempts both through the Khan network and the North Korean's to get this program started. Not one American administration did shit to stop it, neither Republican nor Democratic. For republicans to put this on Obama and him being soft is absurd. It is entirely likely that it is too late to stop the program with military strikes. Regime change is really the only possible solution, and it will not come by attacking Iran. It will come with completely crippling sanctions coupled with real support for the opposition.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:23:23pm |
re: #190 Lidane
Get a map and see where the hell it is, and also see that it's a lot bigger than Iraq. It wouldn't be a walk in the park to invade it.
It might, actually, be a walk in the park--albeit a heavily armored walk, with lots of ordinance flyin' in from everywhere--to invade. The problem is that, as Colin Powell said so prophetically of Iraq, you break it, you bought it.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:23:23pm |
re: #145 Lidane
Colbert is the real deal. Very much a Catholic, but a modern one. He goes to church, teaches Sunday school, and skewers the bishops when they're being idiots.
If there is any hope for Rome, a modern Giovanni Francesco di Bernardone will come up out of the souls of people like him.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:23:52pm |
I have no idea if this is parody or not. If it's real, then I weep for this country:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:23:56pm |
re: #177 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Some conservative is pissed off (part-English):
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:24:13pm |
In terms of responding to an Iran sponsored terrorist attack from South America, as some think is in the works, I think the US would take a more clandestine approach to the situation.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:24:25pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
It's somewhat amusing that people seem to think those of us who joined LGF post-2009 were somehow new to the internet or political blogs prior to joining. As I've said before, I happened upon the "old LGF" on numerous occasions, and quickly exited when I saw what sort of things were posted here. Knowledge of what LGF used to be isn't some shocking realization for me, and I assume it's not for many other post-2009'ers as well.
Even if someone was unaware, it's not as if the archives are kept under strict lock & key. Anyone is free to go in and look around if they have the desire to. As a matter of fact, if you can manage to train your eyes to skim past the yucky stuff, there's some decent info to be gleaned about the beginnings of the so called "counter-jihad" movement (which has since gone off the rails with the rest of the right).
You should write a book, Charles. You've got a huge and very detailed slice of American history & culture sitting there on your servers.
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docproto48 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:24:46pm |
and to think all this time the missing leg of the Y chromasome was the gene for finding things and now I find out if I had it I'd be insane!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:24:52pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
The tragic decline in fertility among Irish-, Italian- and Polish-Americans over the past fifty years has scientists shaking their heads in sorrowful puzzlement.
Computer games.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:25:19pm |
Evening Lizardim. How go things in the land of the odd?
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:27:50pm |
re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist
It might, actually, be a walk in the park--albeit a heavily armored walk, with lots of ordinance flyin' in from everywhere--to invade. The problem is that, as Colin Powell said so prophetically of Iraq, you break it, you bought it.
No. More difficult than Iraq. Three times the physical size. More than twice the population. Also just think of how it would destablize the rest of the region.
Clusterfuck.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:28:33pm |
re: #196 Tofu Romney (Mitt's Evil Twin)
Ah, that answers some questions:
[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:28:40pm |
re: #201 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim. How go things in the land of the odd?
Keith Olbermann has been hilariously punchy towards Andrew Breitbart and Dana Loesch on Twitter today. Also, Bryan Fischer is an asshole, Sarah Palin is available to run for POTUS if there's a brokered convention, and the GOP is still concern trolling about birth control.
So you know, it's the usual. ;)
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:29:10pm |
re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth
"ALL charged that Disney had concealed subliminal sexual messages in the animated films The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin."
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:30:39pm |
re: #205 Lidane
Keith Olbermann has been hilariously punchy towards Andrew Breitbart and Dana Loesch on Twitter today. Also, Bryan Fischer is an asshole, Sarah Palin is available to run for POTUS if there's a brokered convention, and the GOP is still concern trolling about birth control.
So you know, it's the usual. ;)
Never thought I'd live to see the day when Keith Olberdouche was on the right side of something.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:31:44pm |
re: #206 jaunte
Planned Parenthood doesn't have to do shit to "hook kids on sex". Puberty will take care of that all by itself.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:33:55pm |
re: #206 jaunte
"ALL charged that Disney had concealed subliminal sexual messages in the animated films The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin."
Yeah the part where Simba kills Scar is clearly an allegory to have sex.
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docproto48 Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:34:15pm |
re: #206 jaunte
"ALL charged that Disney had concealed subliminal sexual messages in the animated films The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin."
people can see subliminal messages in a test pattern
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:34:23pm |
re: #203 They're pants, essentially...
No. More difficult than Iraq. Three times the physical size. More than twice the population. Also just think of how it would destablize the rest of the region.
Clusterfuck.
Iran's been working to be a big player in the region for years now, supporting one regime or another with everything from money to manpower. Remove that and it would be like Russia or China knocking over Saudi Arabia.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:34:57pm |
re: #209 HappyWarrior
All those seductively bright Disney colors are a snare for the innocent.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:35:22pm |
re: #212 jaunte
All those seductively bright Disney colors are a snare for the innocent.
sick bastards!
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:35:27pm |
re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth
In terms of responding to an Iran sponsored terrorist attack from South America, as some think is in the works, I think the US would take a more clandestine approach to the situation.
How would that work though? The only country that's really sucking up to Iran right now is, in large part, Venezuela. There's some exchange with other countries. But this has been going on for a long time now. Wouldn't make sense for Iran to attack "from the south". Keep in mind that South Americans are pretty nationalistic within their own borders and aren't really interested in getting involved in some crap for some idiot half a globe away. They have their own problems. There's not much threat from a couple of Iranian sponsored Spanish channels.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:35:56pm |
re: #209 HappyWarrior
Yeah the part where Simba kills Scar is clearly an allegory to have sex.
Actually, it's supposedly hidden in the background of certain frames. For example, when Simba plops down, the dust cloud spells the word "SEX". Stupid crap like that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:36:09pm |
"Masturbation is a gateway drug".
Gawt damn, Lidane, thank you for making even more depressed.
/
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HappyWarrior Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:37:11pm |
re: #215 thedopefishlives
Actually, it's supposedly hidden in the background of certain frames. For example, when Simba plops down, the dust cloud spells the word "SEX". Stupid crap like that.
There's something like that in the original Little Mermaid DVD cover. An erect dick in the castle. Something one has to look really hard for.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:37:49pm |
Like this from 2005. Chavez was threatening to sell 20 F-16s to Iran. It's 2012 and I haven't seen on single Iranian F-16. And even if that sale did go through it would be 20 lousy F-16s. And knowing the Iranian pilots they'd probably crash at least 2 within the first month.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:38:10pm |
re: #217 HappyWarrior
It's hard to draw a scene where no object is longer than it is wide.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:38:16pm |
re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth
Planned Parenthood doesn't have to do shit to "hook kids on sex". Puberty will take care of that all by itself.
Which of course is why "slut shamming" is such an important tool among fundamentalists of every flavor.
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:38:18pm |
re: #203 They're pants, essentially...
No. More difficult than Iraq. Three times the physical size. More than twice the population. Also just think of how it would destablize the rest of the region.
Clusterfuck.
That it's considered? Proof of idiots.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:39:15pm |
re: #206 jaunte
"ALL charged that Disney had concealed subliminal sexual messages in the animated films The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin."
Good teenagers, take off your clothes!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:39:50pm |
re: #218 Gus
Like this from 2005. Chavez was threatening to sell 20 F-16s to Iran. It's 2012 and I haven't seen on single Iranian F-16. And even if that sale did go through it would be 20 lousy F-16s. And knowing the Iranian pilots they'd probably crash at least 2 within the first month.
What are you talking about, everyone KNOWS the US armed forces are quaking in fear at the thought of those elite Iranian fighter pilots in their top-of-the-line 1979 model F-14 Tomcats.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:40:34pm |
Whiter Shade of Pale - Annie Lennox
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:40:42pm |
re: #214 Gus
How would it work? I don't know. Please see my link in #176, that's what I was thinking about.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:40:50pm |
re: #217 HappyWarrior
There's something like that in the original Little Mermaid DVD cover. An erect dick in the castle. Something one has to look really hard for.
If you look really hard for more than three hours, please consult a physician.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:42:21pm |
My affiliation checklist:
Elderly male-check
White-check
Lives in the south-check
Owns guns-check
Attends church-check
Owns Bibles-check
Education-PhD
Bat guano crazy? NO
The last two disqualify me as a Republican these days. Whether you hippies and liberal conspirators like it or not, I'm yours for the duration.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:44:04pm |
re: #217 HappyWarrior
There's something like that in the original Little Mermaid DVD cover. An erect dick in the castle. Something one has to look really hard for.
There is a long history of creative talent doing stuff like that due to their anger at Disney restricting many artistic elements in order to preserve their brand.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:44:29pm |
re: #227 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
My affiliation checklist:
Elderly male-check
White-check
Lives in the south-check
Owns guns-check
Attends church-check
Owns Bibles-check
Education-PhD
Bat guano crazy? NOThe last two disqualify me as a Republican these days. Whether you hippies and liberal conspirators like it or not, I'm yours for the duration.
We can overlook the gun ownership, but just this once.
///
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:44:43pm |
re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth
How would it work? I don't know. Please see my link in #176, that's what I was thinking about.
Right. But that's Republican paranoia for the most part. Terrorist babies and all that. Otherwise yes, there is Iranian influence. But it's up to us to counter that. I think we're doing fine with the main country of Brazil and Columbia coming in second. There's already an infrastructure for dealing with terrorist threats. As much as an Iranian TV station sounds ominous the majority is still interested in American culture. If South Americans wanted to go anywhere they'd come to the USA. They have a heck of lot more in common with us then they do with Iran.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:45:45pm |
Like all that Hezbollah camps stuff from the 2000s. Warning, warning!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:46:02pm |
re: #226 They're pants, essentially...
If you look really hard for more than three hours, please consult a physician.
I found it in a matter of minutes. Most people did. That's why Disney very quickly altered the promo art for that title. You'd have to own one of the very few posters or video tape boxes in existence to see it.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:46:15pm |
re: #223 thedopefishlives
What are you talking about, everyone KNOWS the US armed forces are quaking in fear at the thought of those elite Iranian fighter pilots in their top-of-the-line 1979 model F-14 Tomcats.
Don't see those anymore do we. In a way. That's kind of sad. ;)
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:46:25pm |
re: #206 jaunte
"ALL charged that Disney had concealed subliminal sexual messages in the animated films The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin."
Wait. That was real? I remember reading about that whole kerfuffle, but I assumed it was The Onion or just an elaborate joke.
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dragonath Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:46:56pm |
re: #206 jaunte
I recently found out that that Brian Fischer's AFA was responsible for getting CBS to drop Ralph Bakshi's New Mighty Mouse Adventures in the 80s. The whole lot of them are anti-culture.
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prairiefire Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:47:02pm |
re: #206 jaunte
"ALL charged that Disney had concealed subliminal sexual messages in the animated films The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin."
The "priest" that marries Ariel and her prince get an erection when she walks towards him. The initial graphic art for the VHS tape has many phallic shaped coral pieces.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:47:04pm |
re: #233 Gus
Don't see those anymore do we. In a way. That's kind of sad. ;)
I miss the F-14, honestly. Tom Cruise aside, Top Gun was a classic fighter-jock flick. It may be a dinosaur, but it's a badass dinosaur.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:47:10pm |
re: #223 thedopefishlives
What are you talking about, everyone KNOWS the US armed forces are quaking in fear at the thought of those elite Iranian fighter pilots in their top-of-the-line 1979 model F-14 Tomcats.
Feh, the fookin Navy destroyed all the F14's as they came off the carriers out of some fear of an Iranian black market for F14 spares. :banghead:
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:47:36pm |
re: #227 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
My affiliation checklist:
Elderly male-check
White-check
Lives in the south-check
Owns guns-check
Attends church-check
Owns Bibles-check
Education-PhD
Bat guano crazy? NOThe last two disqualify me as a Republican these days. Whether you hippies and liberal conspirators like it or not, I'm yours for the duration.
Wait, what do we get out of this?
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:48:16pm |
re: #237 thedopefishlives
I miss the F-14, honestly. Tom Cruise aside, Top Gun was a classic fighter-jock flick. It may be a dinosaur, but it's a badass dinosaur.
My old man, a 20+ year Navy vet, loved the opening credits montage. The rest of the movie? He laughs his ass off.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:48:18pm |
re: #230 Gus
Well, read the whole article if you feel like it. It's not coming from a typical "republican paranoia" news outlet.
I do think this...
On Thursday, as Iran launched its own region-wide Spanish-language TV network in Latin America
... is odd.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:49:04pm |
re: #237 thedopefishlives
I miss the F-14, honestly. Tom Cruise aside, Top Gun was a classic fighter-jock flick. It may be a dinosaur, but it's a badass dinosaur.
I hate Top Gun but that's cool. Can't like everything. You ever see an F-14 fly? I saw demo in Colorado back in 1993ish. I was like WTF? The thing was huge but agile.
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:49:34pm |
re: #239 They're pants, essentially...
Wait, what do we get out of this?
Someone who's a decent shot, I hope. You never know when the "lone wolves" will flip their shit.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:49:40pm |
In a hundred years, the fear of Shariah law and creeping Islamization will probably be regarded as the greatest mass insanity of this age of American history. The Republican party's embrace of cruel, intrusive, and often frivolous abortion and reproductive legislation will rank a close second.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:50:01pm |
re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, read the whole article if you feel like it. It's not coming from a typical "republican paranoia" news outlet.
I do think this...
... is odd.
Yeah, but they were also in the UK as well. FARs I think. If not PressTV.
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b_Snark Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:50:33pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Oh no, they're saying mean things about me in the comments at Jeffrey Goldberg's post at The Atlantic: There's Racist Dog-Whistling, and Then There's... Racism - Jeffrey Goldberg - National - the Atlantic
Nope. "R a g h e a d" and similar bigoted slurs were always unwelcome at LGF. People who used it had their comments deleted and if they continued, they were banned.
As for "disavowing" the extreme comments that did show up at LGF, I took responsibility for them, I cleaned them up, and I banned the people who were doing it. And I've put up with an enormous amount of shit from those people and the entire right wing blogosphere as a result.
Dues. We paid them.
I am disappointed Goldberg is getting information from someone so non-nuanced and ideologically inconsistent, no matter how valuable.
One ideologue's "ideologically inconsistent" is another's intellectual flexibility based on new and more accurate information.
If you can't change your mind when confronted by new accurate information, you're overly rigid and likely emotionally unbalanced.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:50:38pm |
re: #242 Gus
I hate Top Gun but that's cool. Can't like everything. You ever see an F-14 fly? I saw demo in Colorado back in 1993ish. I was like WTF? The thing was huge but agile.
Never seen an F-14 on the wing, but I did see the Thunderbirds (USAF's demonstration squadron, analogous to the Blue Angels) at an air show many years ago. Also saw a live-fire demonstration of the A-10. Wicked badass.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:51:25pm |
re: #246 Gus
Yeah, but they were also in the UK as well. FARs I think. If not PressTV.
See, that's news to me. I'm not exactly up to date on television outlets.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:51:37pm |
re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, read the whole article if you feel like it. It's not coming from a typical "republican paranoia" news outlet.
I do think this...
... is odd.
They're going to want to watch soccer. Not some boring Iranian produced documentary in Spanish. :)
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Stanghazi Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:52:14pm |
re: #245 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
In a hundred years, the fear of Shariah law and creeping Islamization will probably be regarded as the greatest mass insanity of this age of American history. The Republican party's embrace of cruel, intrusive, and often frivolous abortion and reproductive legislation will rank a close second.
And Sister Sarah Palin.
But goddamn it, we live in this horrible time.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:52:18pm |
re: #190 Lidane
Get a map and see where the hell it is, and also see that it's a lot bigger than Iraq. It wouldn't be a walk in the park to invade it.
Why would we want to invade it?
There are plenty of Iranians that want to change things. If this became a war, and I hope not, it would not be boots on the ground.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:52:43pm |
re: #248 thedopefishlives
I also did get to see a night takeoff of a patrol of F-15s. That was the sweetest thing ever, seeing those twin engines lighting up the night as they leapt off the runway.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:52:56pm |
re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth
See, that's news to me. I'm not exactly up to date on television outlets.
Yeah. I guess what I mean is that I'm confident in the will of the people. They're not going to be suckered into anything and like you and me want to have a drink or two and maybe watch a game. Not a Chomsky speech. ;)
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prairiefire Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:55:22pm |
There are some interesting links out there regarding "mermaids" and "erotica".
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:55:41pm |
re: #227 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
My affiliation checklist:
Elderly male-check
White-check
Lives in the south-check
Owns guns-check
Attends church-check
Owns Bibles-check
Education-PhD
Bat guano crazy? NOThe last two disqualify me as a Republican these days. Whether you hippies and liberal conspirators like it or not, I'm yours for the duration.
Heh. Welcome on board, sir.
Me OTOH,
Middle aged white male
Lots of guns
Goes to church lots
Owns bibles
Owns Adam Smith AND Karl Marx AND Maynard Keynes AND Milton Friedman
Education - well, never did finish that degree. Oh well.
One monogamous marriage? Yep
Actually adopted rather than used platitudes about it? Yep.
Bad crazy actual Socialist, Poet, Photographer & flat out Computer Geek? Yep.
Welcome to their nightmare... ;)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:55:49pm |
The most recent military hardware I've seen was a Longbow Apache that was set to do the flyover at a NASCAR race my family and I attended a few years ago. They flew the helicopter in from a nearby base and actually had it parked outside the race track a couple of hours prior. It was absolutely hilarious to see all the drunk people scrambling after their portable awnings as the helicopter came in and kicked up a windstorm.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:55:57pm |
re: #238 William Barnett-Lewis
Feh, the fookin Navy destroyed all the F14's as they came off the carriers out of some fear of an Iranian black market for F14 spares. :banghead:
The last insult of Darth Cheney, who we have to thank for the F-14 dying out to begin with.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:56:14pm |
re: #210 docproto48
people can see subliminal messages in a test pattern
Artist types love their easter eggs. The mess hall in our barracks had a wall-sized copy of the Last Supper, done by a good draftee in his spare time. The upper room scene was surrounded by decorative festoons of vines and leaves. Each cycle of new soldiers was careful to point out to newbies the places where his vines spelled out "Fuck the Army" and "FTA".
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:56:34pm |
While we sometimes find ourselves as a nation working hard to go to war we must always remember that we must also work hard for peace.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:56:48pm |
re: #245 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
In a hundred years, the fear of Shariah law and creeping Islamization will probably be regarded as the greatest mass insanity of this age of American history. The Republican party's embrace of cruel, intrusive, and often frivolous abortion and reproductive legislation will rank a close second.
I'm of the opinion that history books will look back on this era in much the same way that we now look back on McCarthyism and the Dixiecrats.
| 265 |
BongCrodny Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:57:27pm |
Okay, so I'm bored tonight.
Remember those old change-a-letter word games where you had to get from one word to another by changing one letter at a time?
Rick - Pick - Peck - Peek - Peep - Deep - Derp
Newt - Neat - Meat - Meet - Beet - Beep - Peep - Deep - Derp
Mitt - Mite - Mate - Male - Malt - Melt - Meet - Meek - Peek - Peep - Deep - Derp
Paul - Pall - Hall - Hell - Heel - Peel - Peek - Peep - Deep - Derp
Obviously, it takes less steps to get from Rick to Derp.
Did I mention I was bored tonight?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:57:46pm |
re: #254 Gus
True, but it does not rule out the possibility that Iran could be fostering terrorist cells in South America.
Though if such a possibility exists, I think the overwhelming majority of it's focus would be targets in South America, rather than more risky South/North border hopping operations
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:57:59pm |
re: #252 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Why would we want to invade it?
Because some people are fucking stupid and think that the US forcing regime change by invading is the only answer.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:58:38pm |
re: #230 Gus
Right. But that's Republican paranoia for the most part. Terrorist babies and all that. Otherwise yes, there is Iranian influence. But it's up to us to counter that. I think we're doing fine with the main country of Brazil and Columbia coming in second. There's already an infrastructure for dealing with terrorist threats. As much as an Iranian TV station sounds ominous the majority is still interested in American culture. If South Americans wanted to go anywhere they'd come to the USA. They have a heck of lot more in common with us then they do with Iran.
I have yet to figure out where Brazil is going with their tacit support for theocratic dictatorships. Do they think that hanging out with Russia and China is the future, or is it tending to Chavez style domestic populism of the stupids?
| 269 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:59:03pm |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
True, but it does not rule out the possibility that Iran could be fostering terrorist cells in South America.
Though if such a possibility exists, I think the overwhelming majority of it's focus would be targets in South America, rather than more risky South/North border hopping operations
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:59:22pm |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
True, but it does not rule out the possibility that Iran could be fostering terrorist cells in South America.
Though if such a possibility exists, I think the overwhelming majority of it's focus would be targets in South America, rather than more risky South/North border hopping operations
Why would Iran go through the trouble of creating economic agreements with South American countries and then turn around and target those same countries?
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 7:59:33pm |
re: #267 Lidane
Because some people are fucking stupid and think that the US forcing regime change by invading is the only answer.
I'd agree with the stupid part, but not sure regime change is the belief. In this case, they seem to be of the "Desert Fox" mindset that air strikes can scare anybody into singing our tune. "Military analysts" on TV telling them that we can bomb anybody back to the Stone Age without a second thought, but never addressing the possibility that US air power is neither invulnerable nor infallible.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:00:02pm |
Stephen Colbert professes his faith:
[Link: www.dumpalink.com...]
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:00:25pm |
re: #267 Lidane
Because some people are fucking stupid and think that the US forcing regime change by invading is the only answer.
OK. I forgot that.
Are you suggesting Santorum will be president?
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:01:47pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
I'm of the opinion that history books will look back on this era in much the same way that we now look back on McCarthyism and the Dixiecrats.
That's probably the best analogy, at least in recent times. We have the equivalents of loyalty oaths, grandstanding Congress-fools, attacks on the arts, wild allegations against government employees, and a threat that is real enough in many ways, but nothing like what is alleged in either its nature or magnitude.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:02:03pm |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
True, but it does not rule out the possibility that Iran could be fostering terrorist cells in South America.
Though if such a possibility exists, I think the overwhelming majority of it's focus would be targets in South America, rather than more risky South/North border hopping operations
And nothing would rule out the possibility that they could foster terrorist cells in the USA either. We deal with things on a case by case basis. Intelligence is key to staying on top of things.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:02:16pm |
re: #270 Gus
Why would Iran go through the trouble of creating economic agreements with South American countries and then turn around and target those same countries?
There are a lot of countries in SA, I highly doubt all of them are friendly with Iran.
Further, I was thinking more along the lines of terrorist cells attacking foreign entities and not the countries themselves. Embassies and the like.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:02:36pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:02:58pm |
re: #263 Grifter USA
YOU!
Hi, Stanley, hope you are well. I am trying to keep my shiz together with this menopause thing. I can see why Demi was hitting the Cool Whip aerosol can./
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:03:23pm |
re: #273 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Are you suggesting Santorum will be president?
LOL no. However, we should be so lucky to see him get nominated by the Republicans. It would be a Mondale-style bloodbath.
Honestly? If that's what it takes to finally get the religious nutjobs and wingnuts the hell out of the GOP and over into the Constitution Party where they belong, I'm all for Torquemada Jr. getting nominated.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:03:35pm |
re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth
There are a lot of countries in SA, I highly doubt all of them are friendly with Iran.
Further, I was thinking more along the lines of terrorist cells attacking foreign entities and not the countries themselves. Embassies and the like.
That's for those countries to figure out though. It's in their own best interest isn't it? It's not like they're ignoring what's going on their own back yards.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:05:49pm |
Night Lizards. May the Deity of Your choice smile upon you.
Charles, did you get the heads up about the YT thread over at the fever swamp?
/// Yeah, I totally believe it. Same as I believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy not to mention, Trickle Down Economics.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:05:54pm |
re: #280 Gus
That's for those countries to figure out though. It's in their own best interest isn't it? It's not like they're ignoring what's going on their own back yards.
Right. And the end point of the opinion article I linked was that working with our allies in South America and strengthening our ties with them would be a better idea than rushing lance first into Iran.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:06:39pm |
re: #279 Lidane
LOL no. However, we should be so lucky to see him get nominated by the Republicans. It would be a Mondale-style bloodbath.
Actually it would make Mondale happy because he'd have lived to see his name replaced as "Worst Presidential Candidate Ever".
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b_Snark Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:07:50pm |
re: #265 BongCrodny
Okay, so I'm bored tonight.
Remember those old change-a-letter word games where you had to get from one word to another by changing one letter at a time?
Rick - Pick - Peck - Peek - Peep - Deep - Derp
Newt - Neat - Meat - Meet - Beet - Beep - Peep - Deep - Derp
Mitt - Mite - Mate - Male - Malt - Melt - Meet - Meek - Peek - Peep - Deep - Derp
Paul - Pall - Hall - Hell - Heel - Peel - Peek - Peep - Deep - Derp
Obviously, it takes less steps to get from Rick to Derp.
Did I mention I was bored tonight?
Unnatural selection speeds up natural evolution.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:08:28pm |
Stewart's doing a very informative piece on Congressional insider trading.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:08:50pm |
re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth
There are a lot of countries in SA, I highly doubt all of them are friendly with Iran.
Further, I was thinking more along the lines of terrorist cells attacking foreign entities and not the countries themselves. Embassies and the like.
We should remember that the USA is not unique in having clown candidates. Argentina is rousing it's people about some islands far from its shores, again. Venezuela is a joke. Brazil is playing stupid self importance games because it plans to be a player in Opec soon.
I could go on, but the bottom line is, welcome to humanity, we are more alike than we would like to be.
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b_Snark Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:09:22pm |
re: #273 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
OK. I forgot that.
Are you suggesting Santorum will be president?
If Santorum becomes POTUS, I'm heading to Mars, even if I have to build a ladder.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:10:55pm |
re: #274 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
That's probably the best analogy, at least in recent times. We have the equivalents of loyalty oaths, grandstanding Congress-fools, attacks on the arts, wild allegations against government employees, and a threat that is real enough in many ways, but nothing like what is alleged in either its nature or magnitude.
We've actually seen an effort, led by loonies like Coulter, to rehabilitate McCarthyism in recent years.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:11:30pm |
re: #287 SH1T My Conscience Says
If Santorum becomes POTUS, I'm heading to Mars, even if I have to build a ladder.
Heh. I have an unused EU passport. I'll buy a Greek island, cheap, and raise goats. Less fuel to get there.
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b_Snark Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:13:06pm |
re: #290 Grifter USA
Nighty night! Thanks again for the mind work out.
I'm glad things worked out for you.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:14:00pm |
And if you're not familiar, Vida en el Valle is a pretty damn interesting source that offers a view on current events that you might not normally be exposed to unless you're really plugged into the Latin American community.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:14:07pm |
re: #289 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Heh. I have an unused EU passport. I'll buy a Greek island, cheap, and raise goats. Less fuel to get there.
I was thinking that would be a pleasant place to form "la Resistance" but then I got pondering AGW ... :eek:
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:15:31pm |
re: #286 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
We should remember that the USA is not unique in have clown candidates. Argentina is rousing it's people about some islands far from its shores, again. Venezuela is a joke. Brazil is playing stupid self importance games because it plans to be a player in Opec soon.
I could go on, but the bottom line is, welcome to humanity, we are more alike than we would like to be.
Brazil isn't trying to play a "stupid self importance" game. Brazil has become a very formidable economic power not only in South America but he world. Yes, they'll become an OPEC player soon. Their gain and it should be good for the people of Brazil for the time being. Unless of course the USA plans on sending them billions of dollars a year to do nothing but dress up like Carmen Miranda to entertain American tourists.
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Digital Display Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:15:38pm |
re: #289 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Heh. I have an unused EU passport. I'll buy a Greek island, cheap, and raise goats. Less fuel to get there.
Sign me up..I'll go!
Wait..Is there going to be free high speed Internet on the Island?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:15:43pm |
re: #289 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Heh. I have an unused EU passport. I'll buy a Greek island, cheap, and raise goats. Less fuel to get there.
THE GOAT IS GOOD! THE PENIS... IS EVIL!
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:16:38pm |
Guatemala has floated the idea of legalizing the drug trade, leading to much wailing and gnashing of teeth in Washington. The Guatemalan president, General Otto Perez Molina, is a tough character who was elected on a promise to take back the countryside from narco gangs. He has been as good as his word but now he wants to change his approach and put the traffickers out of business a different way.
Some observers think he is bluffing in an attempt to squeeze more aid out of Uncle Sugar. I am not so sure. I know a lot of people in that part of the world, including one of the very highest officials in neighboring Honduras. They are beyond fed up with the war on drugs and the US's insatiable demand for illegal cocaine. For us, the war on drugs is a figurative war, a slogan from the Reagan years. For many of the countries in Latin America, though, it is a literal shooting war, with jet planes, armor, and even guided missiles in daily use, and thousands of casualties. They believe that our social problems have turned their countries into war zones, and they are ready to put an end to it. Can't say as I blame them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:18:47pm |
re: #295 Gus
Unless of course the USA plans on sending them billions of dollars a year to do nothing but dress up like Carmen Miranda to entertain American tourists.
I'd support sending tax dollars to Brazil in order to foster this kind of thing.
/
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:19:46pm |
I used to be lunatic from the gracious days...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:22:39pm |
re: #298 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
They believe that our social problems have turned their countries into war zones, and they are ready to put an end to it. Can't say as I blame them.
It's no so much our social problems, as our policy of linking much needed aid to toeing our line on the War on Drugs.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:23:20pm |
World GDP - Top 13 countries.
1 USA 14,526,550
2 China 5,878,257
3 Japan 5,458,797
4 Germany 3,286,451
5 France 2,562,742
6 United Kingdom 2,250,209
7 Brazil 2,090,314
8 Italy 2,055,114
9 India 1,631,970
10 Canada 1,577,040
11 Russia 1,479,825
12 Spain 1,409,946
13 Australia 1,237,363
Do make note of Brazil's standing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:26:50pm |
re: #302 Gus
I'm bummed. Increased prosperity will lead to a decline in exports of quality, angry, socially aware heavy metal.
///
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:27:40pm |
re: #294 William Barnett-Lewis
I was thinking that would be a pleasant place to form "la Resistance" but then I got pondering AGW ... :eek:
There's always Sweden. I hear the land is still rising (google it).
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:28:37pm |
re: #302 Gus
World GDP - Top 13 countries.
1 USA 14,526,550
2 China 5,878,257
3 Japan 5,458,797
4 Germany 3,286,451
5 France 2,562,742
6 United Kingdom 2,250,209
7 Brazil 2,090,314
8 Italy 2,055,114
9 India 1,631,970
10 Canada 1,577,040
11 Russia 1,479,825
12 Spain 1,409,946
13 Australia 1,237,363Do make note of Brazil's standing.
Do this per capita.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:29:38pm |
re: #308 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Why not?
Do it yourself to support your stupid comment about Brazil.
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simoom Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:30:22pm |
CNN dutifully reports on the GOP fake outrage of the day:
Obama aide's 'chimichanga' comment creates a stir
Basically, Dana Milbank writes an article for WaPo about the GOP antagonizing Latinos for not apparent reason. Specifically, he talks about a widely respected Cuban American judicial nominee (approved unanimously by the Judiciary Committee) who the Republicans have filibustered, held and are slow-walking to an eventual confirmation vote. Milbank writes that instead of talking about the actual nominee, Republicans are giving floor speeches on unrelated matters, or alternately, in the case of Sen. John McCain, he's literally talking about chimichangas in what I can only imagine is some parody of Hispanic outreach:
The party simply can’t afford self-inflicted wounds such as the Jordan debacle. “He’s an integral part of our community,” Rubio told his colleagues.
But Republicans didn’t care enough about that to stand up to Paul. Through the “debate” on the nomination, one senator after the other came to the floor — and ignored the delay.
Some spoke about transportation. Others spoke about the budget. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) spoke about the wonders of his state. “The lettuce in your salad this month almost certainly came from Arizona,” McCain said. “It’s also believed that the chimichanga has its origin in Arizona.”
The chimichanga? It may be the only thing Republicans have left to offer Latinos.
Jim Messina, Obama's Campaign Manager, retweeted the last line of the Milbank piece:
Line of the day from WAPO's Dana Milbank: "The chimichanga? It may be the only thing Republicans have left to offer Latinos."
— Jim Messina (@Messina2012) February 15, 2012
Republicans pounced, demanding an apology (not for drawing attention to article about GOP insensitivity, but apparently for some sort of racial outrage against Hispanics in quoting Milbank, who in turn was referencing John McCain).
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Lidane Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:31:16pm |
re: #302 Gus
World GDP - Top 13 countries.
1 USA 14,526,550
2 China 5,878,257
3 Japan 5,458,797
4 Germany 3,286,451
5 France 2,562,742
6 United Kingdom 2,250,209
7 Brazil 2,090,314
8 Italy 2,055,114
9 India 1,631,970
10 Canada 1,577,040
11 Russia 1,479,825
12 Spain 1,409,946
13 Australia 1,237,363Do make note of Brazil's standing.
That's why BRIC is incredibly influential, despite all the bleating from the RWNJ's about "American Exceptionalism".
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:32:01pm |
Brazil, the unknown ally.
Alone among the Latin American nations, Brazil sent troops to fight overseas during World War 2, with a whole division deployed against the Germans in Italy. They also played a major role in combating U-boats in the South Atlantic, with 9 U-boat kills to their credit. 948 Brazilians were killed in action during the war.
Brazilian World War 2 Memorial, Rio de Janeiro
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:32:20pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:32:55pm |
re: #310 simoom
CNN dutifully reports on the GOP fake outrage of the day:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]Basically, Dan Milbank writes an article for WaPo about the GOP antagonizing Latinos for not apparent reason. Specifically, he talks about a widely respect Cuban American judicial nominee (approved unanimously by the Judiciary Committee) who the Republicans have filibustered, held and are slow-walking to an eventual confirmation vote. Milbank writes that instead of talking about the actual nominee, Republicans are giving floor speeches on unrelated matters, or alternately, in the case of Sen. John McCain, he's literally talking about chimichangas in what I can only imagine is some parody of Hispanic outreach:
Jim Messina, Obama's Campaign Manager, retweeted the last line of the Milbank piece:
Republicans pounced, demanding an apology (not for drawing attention to article about GOP insensitivity, but apparently for some sort of racial outrage against Hispanics in quoting Milbank, who in turn was referencing John McCain).
It's Wingnut Literal Disease, in which they pretend that it's the word itself that mattters, not the intent. Lets them accuse their enemies of what they do themselves, which is the preferred wingnut line of attack.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:33:20pm |
re: #310 simoom
The GOP's almost become a parody of itself, a party so desperate to find something, anything, to gain favor with voters that it's taking "outrage" at virtually anything bad said about it.
November really can't come soon enough.
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Digital Display Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:33:30pm |
Notre Dame is coming to Norman to play football this year!
Does it get any better?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:34:41pm |
re: #309 Gus
Do it yourself to support your stupid comment about Brazil.
Knickers in a twist? Have you paid attention to Brazil's stance lately?
They have massive oil potentials offshore, which is good globally but what direction are they going politically???
They are playing games. Can't compete, which they think they need to, with the USA, so they try to suck up to the second tier, or is it the third?
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prairiefire Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:34:54pm |
Just as long as they leave the real chimichangas alone. An excellent source of sour cream and cheese.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:35:28pm |
re: #312 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
Brazil, the unknown ally.
Alone among the Latin American nations, Brazil sent troops to fight overseas during World War 2, with a whole division deployed against the Germans in Italy. They also played a major role in combating U-boats in the South Atlantic, with 9 U-boat kills to their credit. 948 Brazilians were killed in action during the war.
Brazilian World War 2 Memorial, Rio de Janeiro
That was then.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:35:50pm |
re: #316 The Hoopster
Notre Dame is coming to Norman to play football this year!
Does it get any better?
Depends. Is this one of the years ND is actually playing football or is it one of the years they're pretending to play football?
(I almost put up sarc slashes but really it's kinda sad but true...)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:38:36pm |
Think Colbert just said Newt is a flaming bag of poop.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:39:51pm |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
Think Colbert just said Newt is a flaming bag of poop.
Well, he said it a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:40:52pm |
re: #322 They're pants, essentially...
Well, he said it a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
A. Hiatus? Or redundant poop?
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:41:03pm |
re: #322 They're pants, essentially...
Well, he said it a couple of weeks ago. ;-)
Wait, this is new? The Florida Primary thing may have thrown me off...
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:41:09pm |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
Think Colbert just said Newt is a flaming bag of poop.
Newt at 10%.
Has Colbert run out of targets?
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:41:39pm |
Ah, damn. but there is so much evil in this world...
[Link: host.madison.com...]
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Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:41:59pm |
re: #325 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Newt at 10%.
Has Colbert run out of targets?
Takes a stake through the heart.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:42:22pm |
re: #319 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
That was then.
It was then for us, too. I don't get your point. Brazil is not a new player on the world stage. Their current president is a former lefty revolutionary who does indeed play to the mob, but only up to a point. Oil baron is a new role for them, but they made great progress in the 60s and 70s when they had to import virtually every drop they used.
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Four More Tears Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:43:04pm |
re: #325 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Newt at 10%.
Has Colbert run out of targets?
No, this is definitely a rerun.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:45:18pm |
Per capita GDP for Brazil: $11,767. It was about $300 the first time I went there in 1978.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:45:19pm |
re: #307 Gus
Oh please.
Seriously. You have something on your mind. I think it is more relevant to list per capita standards if you want to make a statement, not one related to population.
What are we disconnecting on?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:48:10pm |
re: #328 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
It was then for us, too. I don't get your point. Brazil is not a new player on the world stage. Their current president is a former lefty revolutionary who does indeed play to the mob, but only up to a point. Oil baron is a new role for them, but they made great progress in the 60s and 70s when they had to import virtually every drop they used.
We are talking of now. Everything changes, eventually. I am simply referring to today's politics. Brazil has been playing the field, and not on our side.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:53:24pm |
re: #332 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
We are talking of now. Everything changes, eventually. I am simply referring to today's politics. Brazil has been playing the field, and not on our side.
Oh yeah. Maybe we should invade Brazil too.
//
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:55:36pm |
re: #317 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Knickers in a twist? Have you paid attention to Brazil's stance lately?
They have massive oil potentials offshore, which is good globally but what direction are they going politically???
They are playing games. Can't compete, which they think they need to, with the USA, so they try to suck up to the second tier, or is it the third?
Yep. I get that way when I see clear and outright American arrogance if not chauvinism as you're displaying here tonight.
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freetoken Wed, Feb 15, 2012 8:56:33pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:00:35pm |
re: #332 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
We are talking of now. Everything changes, eventually. I am simply referring to today's politics. Brazil has been playing the field, and not on our side.
What specifically do you see as "against our side" in recent Brazilian actions?
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:04:01pm |
re: #337 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
What specifically do you see as "against our side" in recent Brazilian actions?
Probably this:
Brazil & China: America’s Enemies Cuddle Up
Brazil’s new former Marxist terrorist President and Obama friend, Dilma Rousseff, is wasting no time in cuddling up to America’s enemies.
Derp!
//
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:10:14pm |
Trailer for James Randi movie
[Link: www.movies.com...]
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:11:10pm |
re: #342 SpaceJesus
Trailer for James Randi movie
[Link: www.movies.com...]
Brazil is our enemy! Run for the hills!
//Unrelated snark. ;)
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:13:47pm |
re: #345 SpaceJesus
What have the Brazilians done this time?
Who knows. I think they gave some money to China or something. Maybe hosted Chavez. The prez is a former leftist guerrilla. The usual.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:15:04pm |
re: #339 Gus
Probably this:
Brazil & China: America’s Enemies Cuddle Up
Derp!
//
Wow! America's enemy now? This must come as news to the US Air Force, which has just selected the Brazilian developed Embraer AT-29 as its new light attack aircraft. (Contrary to much tea bag propaganda, the AT-29s will be built in the US and have at least as much US sourced content as the rival Hawker-Beechcraft AT-6 from Wichita). Worse yet, our ongoing joint naval exercises with Brazil would get a bit dicey if the Navy hears that their old ally is now an enemy.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:15:26pm |
I think the only "approved" country left for the neocons in South America is Columbia. Which what has the Republicans knickers in a major twist that I could only dream of matching. ;)
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:17:37pm |
re: #348 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
Wow! America's enemy now? This must come as news to the US Air Force, which has just selected the Brazilian developed Embraer AT-29 as its new light attack aircraft. (Contrary to much tea bag propaganda, the AT-29s will be built in the US and have at least as much US sourced content as the rival Hawker-Beechcraft AT-6 from Wichita). Worse yet, our ongoing joint naval exercises with Brazil would get a bit dicey if the Navy hears that their old ally is now an enemy.
Exactly. I was going to mention Embraer. A fantastic company. Amongst other manufacturing facilities building parts for US and European auto makers. They constantly participate in joint exercises with the US Navy.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:20:19pm |
re: #340 Gus
can she run here in '16? what i would do to have that happen
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:21:36pm |
re: #349 Gus
why do conservatives love colombia so much? because it trolls venezuela sometimes?
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:21:51pm |
re: #351 SpaceJesus
can she run here in '16? what i would do to have that happen
Ha! Might be a problem with her birth certificate! Derp. ;)
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:22:18pm |
re: #348 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
Wow! America's enemy now? This must come as news to the US Air Force, which has just selected the Brazilian developed Embraer AT-29 as its new light attack aircraft. (Contrary to much tea bag propaganda, the AT-29s will be built in the US and have at least as much US sourced content as the rival Hawker-Beechcraft AT-6 from Wichita). Worse yet, our ongoing joint naval exercises with Brazil would get a bit dicey if the Navy hears that their old ally is now an enemy.
The decision in favor of the A-29's already being disputed in the courts, which seems to now be SOP when it comes to weapons procurement where foreign competitors are allowed to compete against US companies. Seems like every time it happens and the US company loses, they try to fight it out in court while at the same time lobbying Congress to decide in their favor.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:22:57pm |
re: #353 Gus
pfft, we will forge it and dupe america just like we did with barrack HUSSEIN obama (PBUH)
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:23:51pm |
re: #352 SpaceJesus
why do conservatives love columbia so much? because it trolls venezuela sometimes?
It's basically an anti-union "liberal conservative" military state which sucks up most of the Drug War money.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:25:02pm |
re: #356 Gus
It's basically an anti-union "liberal conservative" military state which sucks up most of the Drug War money.
...
The Social Party of National Unity (Spanish: Partido Social de Unidad Nacional), or Party of the U (Spanish: Partido de «la U») is a liberal conservative political party in Colombia. It attempts to unite various parliamentary supporters of Álvaro Uribe, the Uribistas, in one political party. Currently, it is Colombia's largest political party.
Security is the top priority of most Uribistas, followed by employment and investment in Colombia. Uribistas also support lower taxes for private companies and for citizens. Also, they are a radical[clarification needed] opposition to current president of Venezuela Hugo Chávez and to the Bolivarian movement that Chavez leads in different countries of Latin America.
It is led by Juan Manuel Santos and Oscar Iván Zuluaga. Most members of the movement left the Colombian Liberal Party but they failed to unite uniting all Uribistas: in particular the Radical Change (Cambio Radical) didn't join. The party took part in the parliamentary elections of 2006, in which it won 30 out of 166 deputies and 20 out of 100 senators.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:25:45pm |
So yeah. Opposition to Chavez is a big part of the conservative support.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:27:32pm |
Dilma Rousseff, another communist. With estrogen leanings. Oh boy!
Freeper
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:27:54pm |
re: #354 Targetpractice
The decision in favor of the A-29's already being disputed in the courts, which seems to now be SOP when it comes to weapons procurement where foreign competitors are allowed to compete against US companies. Seems like every time it happens and the US company loses, they try to fight it out in court while at the same time lobbying Congress to decide in their favor.
I wrote about this at some length for a local blog:
We discussed this with some callers yesterday on the radio show. There is a lot of misleading propaganda about the selection of this "foreign" aircraft over the "American" Hawker-Beechcraft AT-6 for the USAF's new Light Air Support program. This is malarkey, horse manure, concocted by cynical lobbyists to exploit misinformed patriotism. In fact, the AT-29 will be built in a new plant in Fort Lauderdale, Fl and will provide at least as many American jobs as the Hawker-Beechcraft competitor. The link provides a long list of AT-29 sub-contractors in the US, including some right here in Texas. The Hawker-Beechcraft AT-6 itself, touted as an American product, is also a foreign design, from Switzerland, and would have been partially built in a new plant in Mexico. Even Brazilian made AT-29s have a large percentage of US made components, including most of the electronics and weapons systems. Both aircraft use the same Canadian built engine. Built for the Mission, AT-29 Super-Tucano official website.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:31:30pm |
re: #333 Gus
Oh yeah. Maybe we should invade Brazil too.
//
You are playing stupid tonight. Next time.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:32:33pm |
re: #361 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
You are playing stupid tonight. Next time.
Old school. You have to say "thanks for trying." That's what they used to say here pre-2009. Apparently Brazil has some allies here at LGF and you're the one with the problem.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:34:19pm |
re: #337 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
What specifically do you see as "against our side" in recent Brazilian actions?
Sucking up to Iran, to Hezbolah and dare I say Hamas for a start. Maybe we read different news. Maybe you don't read.
It's late. Goodnight.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:34:46pm |
re: #366 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Sucking up to Iran, to Hezbolah and dare I say Hamas for a start. Maybe we read different news. Maybe you don't read.
It's late. Goodnight.
Oh yeah. I think I read that at Free Republic.
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Targetpractice Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:35:48pm |
re: #360 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
I wrote about this at some length for a local blog:
Yeah, but most of that was also true of the KC-30, but that didn't stop the "Made in America!" bullshit. Not only was Northrop-Grumman going to build a new plant to handle their part of the contract, but EADS was supposedly in talks to build their own plant here in the States in order to keep everything on US shores. But Boeing, which should have been barred from competing after its bullshit with paying an Air Force officer to fix "leasing" tankers in its favor, succeeded in lobbying enough greed bastards...er, "politicians," to get the whole thing decided in their favor.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:35:51pm |
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:36:29pm |
re: #370 William Barnett-Lewis
Tonights not one of your better nights, dude. Let it go.
Likewise, good night all.
I've been around here long enough. But thanks for the critique.
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:38:42pm |
re: #363 ☭_SpaceJesus_☭
interesting
This is where it gets odd:
Ideological platform
The Programatic Declaration (Declaración Programática) is the official ideological platform of the party.
The Social Party of National Unity supports the development of a welfare state and recognizes the family as base of society. It also recognizes and approves globalization, emphasizing education, science and technology as opportunities that can help Colombia succeed in a global market. The party supports decentralization and autonomy of regions. Currently, the Caribbean Region is the first to begin the process to obtain more autonomy.
For "uribistas", security is the first duty of the State. Without security, social programs can't be successful in rural areas controlled by narcoterrorist groups. The concept of Democratic Security, the main axis of Uribe's government, consists of bringing security to different social sectors, including ethnic minorities, journalists, labor unions and regional politicians.
The concept of "Communitarian State" is another important ideological pillar for the party. It emphasizes the development of communities, in order to bring stability to the whole state. The state brings development to marginalized communities while private companies focus on the economy, providing additional products and services.
The Party has a strong think-tank called Security and Democracy Foundation (Fundación Seguridad y Democracia) directed by Alfredo Rangel, which analyzes security in the different countries of Latin America.
The party leader has also claimed that he supports Tony Blair's Third Way approach.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:43:58pm |
re: #366 Red Sea Desjardini Tang
Sucking up to Iran, to Hezbolah and dare I say Hamas for a start. Maybe we read different news. Maybe you don't read.
It's late. Goodnight.
I not only read, I read the Brazilian news and I do so in Portuguese. I wouldn't try to paper over Rouseff's commie credentials. As her many opponents never tire of reminding us, they are real and there are still some tinges of red in her positions. She isn't the whole country and her positions are definitely moderated by pragmatism when they are translated into action. Brazil's coziness with Iran goes back a long way and is nothing new with her. All I see about Hezbollah and Hamas in Brazil is the same kind of grousing and anti-Israel demagoguery we see from certain elements in this country and in Europe. Brazil is still our friend and ally, and putting them on some kind of enemies list is akin to the hysteria over Shariah law in this country. Opposing that is not an endorsement of Shariah and, similarly, refusing to ostracize Brazil is not an endorsement of every stray bit of rhetoric that comes out of Brasilia.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:44:44pm |
re: #372 Gus - Totalitarian Progressive
so, they play up the whole "anti-left" thing just as a way to curry favor with american GOP in order to get money probably
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:48:08pm |
re: #373 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator
I not only read, I read the Brazilian news and I do so in Portuguese. I wouldn't try to paper over Rouseff's commie credentials. As her many opponents never tire of reminding us, they are real and there are still some tinges of red in her positions. She isn't the whole country and her positions are definitely moderated by pragmatism when they are translated into action. Brazil's coziness with Iran goes back a long way and is nothing new with her. All I see about Hezbollah and Hamas in Brazil is the same kind of grousing and anti-Israel demagoguery we see from certain elements in this country and in Europe. Brazil is still our friend and ally, and putting them on some kind of enemies list is akin to the hysteria over Shariah law in this country. Opposing that is not an endorsement of Shariah and, similarly, refusing to ostracize Brazil is not an endorsement of every stray bit of rhetoric that comes out of Brasilia.
Damn Shiplord. Fantastic rebuttal.
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Mich-again Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:56:46pm |
re: #374 ☭_SpaceJesus_☭
so, they play up the whole "anti-left" thing just as a way to curry favor with american GOP in order to get money probably
I have done some looking around the last few days and I am kind of shocked at how many overt political organizations exist whose only purpose is to lobby the government have been granted 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status, which means their funding is tax deductible.
While the GOP bitches about the influence of lobbyists, they are using questionable at best 501(c)(3) organizations to lobby for their causes, with the taxpayers helping foot the bill. For instance The Heartland Organization that was sponsoring the climate denial classroom material Charles posted about is a tax exempt organization. What a crock.
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engineer cat Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:59:12pm |
re: #374 ☭_SpaceJesus_☭
so, they play up the whole "anti-left" thing just as a way to curry favor with american GOP in order to get money probably
shades of the remarks of conservatives vis-a-vis the nazi party during the 30s
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:17:34pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:23:08pm |
re: #380 Gus - Totalitarian Progressive and Gargoyle
Love ya' WUB. Glad you noticed. ;)
The patterns! The patterns! Same shit, different day, right? ^_^
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Gus Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:24:39pm |
re: #381 windupbird is in the gravity well
The patterns! The patterns! Same shit, different day, right? ^_^
Pretty much. But I play it cool as you might have noticed. I just let them (the few) get all butthurt. I knew I was right all along and saw the BS the second it was posted.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:32:26pm |
re: #382 Gus - Totalitarian Progressive and Gargoyle
I think I'm missing something.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Feb 16, 2012 12:00:05am |
re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth
Some moonbats just can't let go.
Um, that comment was by a wingnut. He started his rant with:
Right, Randy, because since 2009 the Islamic terror threat has all but disappeared, and the largest threat to world peace is without a doubt the Christian Right.
/sarcasm off
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Feb 16, 2012 12:13:25am |
re: #295 Gus - Totalitarian Progressive and Gargoyle
Brazil isn't trying to play a "stupid self importance" game.
They'll be telling us they have a 'manifest destiny' next./
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Feb 16, 2012 7:03:36am |
re: #181 HappyWarrior
See the three things you suggest are socialism and bad. But yeah this is why I hate the pro life political groups. They ally with the party that offers no solutions to the situations that force many women especially poor ones to choose to get abortions in the first place. They think just saying NO ABORTION will solve the problem just like the abstinence only idiots with teen sex.
Just say 'NO'. It worked so well for drugs.
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